Is the midwest region the best in the nation?
With teams such as UW Whitewater, UW Stevens Point, St. Scholastica, St. Thomas, Ripon, St. Olaf, UW Oshkosh this may be one of the best regions if not the best. It seems like these teams are nationally ranked every year.
2005: Point, Whitewater, Scholastica. Thomas all ranked in the top 20. Whitewater national champs
2006: Scholastica, Olaf, thomas, point,
2007: Point, Whitewater, St. Thomas, Olaf...other polls have ripon and scholastic ranked
These three teams tangle tomorrow night in the Metrodome with each playing a game against each other. How do people see these games going?
For Point and Thomas its their first games of the year and Scholastica is already 2-0. Sounds like the Pointers big ace is out for a couple weeks so that may change things a bit. I can definately see each team winning a game.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 04, 2007, 11:28:16 PM
Sounds like the Pointers big ace is out for a couple weeks so that may change things a bit. I can definately see each team winning a game.
What's wrong with Zimmerman? Haven't heard anything regarding injuries and so on, so anything you can shed on this would be appreciated.
The kid I am interested in seeing perform for Point is Tyler Techlin. He was a STUD, who went to MATC, and now transferred to Point. I am curious in seeing how well he does against some good competition.
The word is Zimmerman took a line drive to face in practice. As serious as it was, it could have been tragic. The Point staff expects him to be back during their Florida trip.
Quote from: Just Bill on March 05, 2007, 11:32:44 AM
The word is Zimmerman took a line drive to face in practice. As serious as it was, it could have been tragic. The Point staff expects him to be back during their Florida trip.
I'll be curious to see how he reacts MENTALLY more than physically. Sometimes guys become "gun-shy" after something like that. Hopefully that won't be the case in this situation for a guy with a great baseball future.....
Point wins the first game, knocking off St. Thomas 4-3.
Point comes back from being down 5-0 after 2, and scores 7 in the third. They hang on to beat St. Scholastica 7-6.
St Scholastica has been a load for Point the past couple of years beating them in the post season tournament. They've got a pretty decent baseball program going up there.
Point 4 Thomas 3 Point 7 Scholastica 6 Thomas 5 Scholastica 3.
Three really good games and shows how good the Midwest region is, especially if you factor in Olaf, Whitewater, and Gustavus.
Yea Scholastica has a really good program and Point and Thomas's are very good too.
Stevens Point jumped out early with a couple runs and held on to win against St. Thomas.
Scholastica jumped out to a 5-0 lead after 2 then Point took advantage of some errors and scored 7 runs in the third.
Thomas scored three in the first and held on to win 5-3. Scholastica outhit Thomas 12-5 though. Thomas capitalized when they had runners. Side note Fuchihara for the Saints hit a monster homer to right center where the baggy starts that hit the press boxes. Probably at least 430 feet.
There are photo galleries of these games on the site.
http://www.d3baseball.com
St. Thomas defeated St. Scholastica 5-3 in the late, late game to complete the triangular.
Its too bad the MIAC already has a team in the conf that is a 3-4 hour drive from the cities (concordia) and that CSS's other sports programs aren't as strong as baseball, because I'd love to see CSS baseball in the MIAC. Mostly because I think they'd only finish 12-8.
Since when is Duluth 4 hours from the cities? It might be 4 hours from St. Peter maybe, but it's only 150 miles from the cities. 12-8 sounds like where Bethel usually ends up. Seeing that Scholastica has taken care of Bethel 12-1 and 7-5 and taking into the success of the program in recent years, they probably deserve a little more credit.
And who knows, maybe Scholastica's football team is going to be a real force coming out of the gates. ...though I doubt it.
Well Duluth is only like two and half hours away so that is not a problem. And Scholastica is already 5-1 against the MIAC. Wins against Bethel (2) Carleton, and Concordia Moorehead (2). Only a 5-3 loss to St. thomas. They also have games left against Olaf, Thomas, and Gustavus. So they basically play a full MIAC schedule and would probably finish in top three if not win the conference.
I dont know the basics of the MIAC, but I think a team would have to leave in order to have that done. Also, the negative for joining the MIAC regarding sports is the rules regarding practice time in the fall.
Who knows maybe it will happen with the addition of football but I dont think it will.
I heard CSS inquired about joining the MIAC a little while ago (1 year? 3 years?) but was rebuffed.
I give CSS credit for playing MIAC teams, they always schedule games against USt and usually play some other teams as well. But Carleton and Concordia are going to be 2 of the 3 worst teams in the miac this year.
I have a lot of respect for the top end of the CSS rotation and some of the stud hitters they have in the lineup. I have no doubt that some players of theirs would vie for Player and Pitcher of the Year awards in the MIAC. The fact that Moriarty went up against Zimmerman and UWSP last year in the regional and won speaks volumes for how good he is (although he was 1-2 vs UST and StO that year).
I do, however, have a problem with the conference they play in. As i've said before, I know people that play for teams in the UMAC and I've played against the UMAC. When I was at Gustavus a few years ago we used to have an annual DH against Bethany Lutheran... we would play our JV against their varsity and usually win. So it really peeves me when Moriarty strikes out 12 people in a UMAC game and CSS has the lowest team ERA in DIII because they play unbelievably bad teams.
The reason I say CSS would probably finish 12-8 is because I have no faith in the back end of their rotation. 12-8 is a playoff team in the MIAC and certainly would not want to face them in a 4 team double elim tournament. But to say they would dominate the MIAC like they dominate the UMAC is ridiculous.
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 26, 2007, 06:29:04 PM
I heard CSS inquired about joining the MIAC a little while ago (1 year? 3 years?) but was rebuffed.
I give CSS credit for playing MIAC teams, they always schedule games against USt and usually play some other teams as well. But Carleton and Concordia are going to be 2 of the 3 worst teams in the miac this year.
I have a lot of respect for the top end of the CSS rotation and some of the stud hitters they have in the lineup. I have no doubt that some players of theirs would vie for Player and Pitcher of the Year awards in the MIAC. The fact that Moriarty went up against Zimmerman and UWSP last year in the regional and won speaks volumes for how good he is (although he was 1-2 vs UST and StO that year).
I do, however, have a problem with the conference they play in. So it really peeves me when Moriarty strikes out 12 people in a UMAC game and CSS has the lowest team ERA in DIII because they play unbelievably bad teams.
If CSS want to get better they have to play better competition. It seems like this is something that have tried to do.
I would not give CSS grief about playing in the UMAC. If they looked at a trying to join the MIAC they probably want to move to a more competative conference. CSS might save their good pitchers for non conference game instead of conference games - opposite what other schools.
Perhaps with football, CSS might be more attractive to the MIAC.
Quote from: Jim Dixon on March 26, 2007, 07:00:18 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 26, 2007, 06:29:04 PM
I heard CSS inquired about joining the MIAC a little while ago (1 year? 3 years?) but was rebuffed.
I give CSS credit for playing MIAC teams, they always schedule games against USt and usually play some other teams as well. But Carleton and Concordia are going to be 2 of the 3 worst teams in the miac this year.
I have a lot of respect for the top end of the CSS rotation and some of the stud hitters they have in the lineup. I have no doubt that some players of theirs would vie for Player and Pitcher of the Year awards in the MIAC. The fact that Moriarty went up against Zimmerman and UWSP last year in the regional and won speaks volumes for how good he is (although he was 1-2 vs UST and StO that year).
I do, however, have a problem with the conference they play in. So it really peeves me when Moriarty strikes out 12 people in a UMAC game and CSS has the lowest team ERA in DIII because they play unbelievably bad teams.
If CSS want to get better they have to play better competition. It seems like this is something that have tried to do.
I would not give CSS grief about playing in the UMAC. If they looked at a trying to join the MIAC they probably want to move to a more competative conference. CSS might save their good pitchers for non conference game instead of conference games - opposite what other schools.
I agree. I would probably be even more biased againt CSS if they didn't schedule MIAC teams at all. But is it a fair comparison then if CSS can afford to save its best pitchers for non-conf MIAC opponents while the MIAC schools throw their best pitchers against conference foes?
First of all I dont think anyone said they would dominate just be near the top. Second, I think CSS does everything in their power to play the best teams. Last year DH against Wartburg, Alvernia, St. Thomas plus Olaf and Kenyon were ranked. This year their MIAC schedule.
Its a valid point that CSS can probably save some of their better pitchers for some of these teams, but it could put themselves at risk for dropping a UMAC game. To go along with that St. Thomas and Olaf both pitched their top guns against CSS so its not a valid point about the MIAC teams not pitching them.
Also, something has to be said for CSS having to play 5 games in 3 days in order to play the MIAC teams. I think the point is CSS would be a top team in the MIAC not saying they would win, but Im sure they would finish near the top.
The MIAC would not let CSS join because of the lack of a football team a couple years ago. So now that will have one we will see if they get invited and if CSS still wants to go because If It was my choice as a coach I would not want to leave the UMAC because in a couple years whenever that is the conference will have their automatic bid!
'finish near the top' vs 'a playoff team'. Finishing near the top in the MIAC means you're in the 15-5 to 17-3 (in conf) range, I put them in the 12-8 or 13-7 range, so we're pretty close in our estimates.
CSS is a combined 73-2-1 in UMAC games the past 4 seasons in the UMAC. 73-2-1. I doubt they are very concerned with losing a regular season UMAC game.
CSS vs MIAC:
2006: CSS won both games against UST in the dome at the beginning of the year with each team throwing their best. In a midseason DH StO pitched Mathison and Johnson but not MIAC Pitcher of the Year Eric Tobias against CSS, so you can't say they threw their top guns (Mathison was the staffs #2, Johnson #4). StO won both against CSS's best. I was very excited to see Moriarty go against UST's Leslie and Bosch in their matchup at the end of the regular season (6-4 UST win). UST then eliminated CSS in regions.
2005: Split with UST in the dome to start the season with both teams throwing aces (Eiler & Moriarty, Bosch & Krause). UST won the rubber match midseason with Eiler and Moriarty pitching again but UST countering with decent but not great pitchers. Split with StO with Eiler and Moriarty pitching against scrubs.
Looks like CSS has used to matchups against MIAC teams to throw their best pitchers every time while UST and StO have used their aces about half the time.
2005 Moriarty was maybe their #3 that year sorry, cuz Joe Calaguire was their #2. So CSS aces didnt pitch games. Also, Ben Grams pitched in the loss against Olaf during a tsunami shortened gamewhich the Olies coach said was kind of stupid. Grams probably number #5
2006 By their stats Mathison and Johnson were their aces and probably why they started the first 2 games of the Regional. Dont think Tobias pitched in the regional maybe was hurt?? but didnt he get ruffed up by Gustavus in the MIAC tourney??
So some discrepencies but I would put them about 15-5 like Olaf and St. Thomas were. Their games against Gustavus and Olaf will tell us if they can compete
I think it is going to be a fun year all together though with Olaf, Thomas Gustavus, Point, Whitewater, CSS and other good regional teams. Somebody is going to get left out that shouldnt though just because their are not enough spots
Tobias was MIAC pitcher of the year 2006 and tore his rotator cuff sometime between beating UST 4-0 on May 2 and getting hit hard by Gustavus in the miac playoffs May 13 (It was obvious to everyone in the stands that something was wrong that game).
2005: Eiler pitched Game 1 against StO (9 inn, 1 er, 13 Ks, 2-1 CSS win).
Agreed, should be a great year with these teams playing each other quite a bit.
Well its finally February anybody wanna take a stab at who will be playing at Oskosh in May. I listed it as an 8 team region. Obviously, this is not predictable because who knows what conferences will be thrown in the midwest regional and what teams will win the conference. Ex. two years ago Coe and Dominican both made it with I think .500 records
St. Thomas
St. Olaf
WI Stevens Point
St. Scholastica
Wartburg
WI Oskosh
Wartburg
Whitewater
Throughout last season I thought the MIAC was better than the WIAC last year, but it was two WIAC teams that ended up playing in the Region Championship (although I will note the St Olaf was missing its 2 best pitchers for the MIAC and Midwest playoffs!).
I don't think the MIAC is as strong this year after USt because StO lost a lot of offense. As a result, I would drop St Olaf off the list and add the third place WIAC team in its spot.
Quote from: Gustie13 on February 01, 2008, 02:39:58 PM
Throughout last season I thought the MIAC was better than the WIAC last year, but it was two WIAC teams that ended up playing in the Region Championship (although I will note the St Olaf was missing its 2 best pitchers for the MIAC and Midwest playoffs!).
I don't think the MIAC is as strong this year after USt because StO lost a lot of offense. As a result, I would drop St Olaf off the list and add the third place WIAC team in its spot.
Yea I would agree with all that. Even though UWW was pretty good but got left out last year. I just put a list of 8 out there that are typically the favorite not necessarily that they will all make it. My only problem with having 3 teams from the WIAC making it is that they only have 7 teams in the conference. So if I had the choice between two teams from a conference of 10 plus teams or three teams from a 7 team conference I would go with the larger conference, just my opinion.
Wartburg is in the Central, not the Midwest. They are very close to the Central Regional at Ill. Wesleyan in Bloominton, Il. I find it hard to believe that if they get in they would be shipped out of region.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was a seven-team regional again this year. Here's my stab at it. The only way it's eight teams is if a team gets shipped (like an Edgewood, which I see as very possible. Does the NAC get an auto this year or next?).
1. Whitewater (Pool A)
2. St. Thomas (A)
3. Oshkosh (C)
4. St. Olaf (C)
5. Stevens Point (C)
6. St. Scholastica (B)
7. St. Norbert or Ripon (A)
8. Edgewood (B/C)
Welcome MIAC Baseball. We have games in Texas, and you guys must be waiting for them to turn on the heat at the Metrodome.
I have merged this topic in the general Midwest Region board.
The Midwest Region preview will be coming out later in the month.
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 01, 2008, 06:44:07 PM
Wartburg is in the Central, not the Midwest. They are very close to the Central Regional at Ill. Wesleyan in Bloominton, Il. I find it hard to believe that if they get in they would be shipped out of region.
Oh really, well 2 years ago Coe was the Iowa Conference tourney champs and played in the midwest regional so it happened 2 years ago
Quote from: OshDude on February 02, 2008, 02:20:24 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if this was a seven-team regional again this year. Here's my stab at it. The only way it's eight teams is if a team gets shipped (like an Edgewood, which I see as very possible. Does the NAC get an auto this year or next?).
1. Whitewater (Pool A)
2. St. Thomas (A)
3. Oshkosh (C)
4. St. Olaf (C)
5. Stevens Point (C)
6. St. Scholastica (B)
7. St. Norbert or Ripon (A)
8. Edgewood (B/C)
I thought they did away with 7 team regionals and they were just 6 or 8. Seven team playoffs are the worst thing ever and gives the number 1 seed a huge advantage.
I like your picks, not really sure who will win the WIAC but I think Oskosh returns a pretty good line-up, Point obviously lost a couple big guys and Whitewater always good but havent made the regional since they won the National Championship in 05
Quote from: MIAC baseball on February 02, 2008, 11:09:50 AM
Quote from: OshDude on February 02, 2008, 02:20:24 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if this was a seven-team regional again this year. Here's my stab at it. The only way it's eight teams is if a team gets shipped (like an Edgewood, which I see as very possible. Does the NAC get an auto this year or next?).
1. Whitewater (Pool A)
2. St. Thomas (A)
3. Oshkosh (C)
4. St. Olaf (C)
5. Stevens Point (C)
6. St. Scholastica (B)
7. St. Norbert or Ripon (A)
8. Edgewood (B/C)
I thought they did away with 7 team regionals and they were just 6 or 8. Seven team playoffs are the worst thing ever and gives the number 1 seed a huge advantage.
I like your picks, not really sure who will win the WIAC but I think Oskosh returns a pretty good line-up, Point obviously lost a couple big guys and Whitewater always good but havent made the regional since they won the National Championship in 05
I don't disagree, but the proof just isn't there yet. Could someone chime in with a definitive answer if the NCAA is doing away with seven-teamers this year? The baseball handbook link didn't work for me. I know this year's volleyball tournament had all 6s and 8s, but that's always been the case and it's a different tourney, obviously.
Last year, of the five No. 1 seeds at seven-team regionals, four made it to Grand Chute (Winners: Kean, Cortland, Emory, Chapman; Loser: Wheaton).
But in 2006, 3-of-4 No. 1 seeds failed to win their seven-teamers (Winner: Wheaton; Losers: New Jersey, Wooster, Cortland).
So, in two years the top seeds are 5-4 in winning seven-team regionals. That seems OK to me. In fact, I would have expected the ratio to be higher. I just think that last year's winners of seven-teamers were undisputed leaders in their regions. Nothing wrong with rewarding them with No. 1 seeds, especially when seven-team regionals were necessities last season. That is unless the NCAA started to fly more teams than usual, which isn't going to happen in this D-III lifetime.
Quote from: MIAC baseball on February 02, 2008, 11:02:21 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 01, 2008, 06:44:07 PM
Wartburg is in the Central, not the Midwest. They are very close to the Central Regional at Ill. Wesleyan in Bloominton, Il. I find it hard to believe that if they get in they would be shipped out of region.
Oh really, well 2 years ago Coe was the Iowa Conference tourney champs and played in the midwest regional so it happened 2 years ago
That's because the Central Regional was in St. Louis, which is a travel headache in D-III, no matter the sport. There aren't enough teams in that area to make it worthwhile. Not only does the NCAA have to fly more teams when Wash U hosts regionals, but it costs Midwest Region teams, namely from the MIAC and WIAC, entries into regionals.
Look at any sport, in any season, in which Wash U hosts and count the number of really good MIAC and WIAC teams that got snubbed. The bummer is, Wash U sometimes deserves to host and there's nothing else to do, especially when Wash U is one of the flagship (IMO) D-III schools. The NCAA
has to throw a bone its way every once in awhile. And when the NCAA does, the Midwest Region teams suffer.
Quote from: MIAC baseball on February 02, 2008, 11:02:21 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 01, 2008, 06:44:07 PM
Wartburg is in the Central, not the Midwest. They are very close to the Central Regional at Ill. Wesleyan in Bloominton, Il. I find it hard to believe that if they get in they would be shipped out of region.
Oh really, well 2 years ago Coe was the Iowa Conference tourney champs and played in the midwest regional so it happened 2 years ago
It could easily happen, depending on who has to come into the Central region or go somewhere else.
I don't disagree, but the proof just isn't there yet. Could someone chime in with a definitive answer if the NCAA is doing away with seven-teamers this year? The baseball handbook link didn't work for me. I know this year's volleyball tournament had all 6s and 8s, but that's always been the case and it's a different tourney, obviously.
Last year, of the five No. 1 seeds at seven-team regionals, four made it to Grand Chute (Winners: Kean, Cortland, Emory, Chapman; Loser: Wheaton).
But in 2006, 3-of-4 No. 1 seeds failed to win their seven-teamers (Winner: Wheaton; Losers: New Jersey, Wooster, Cortland).
So, in two years the top seeds are 5-4 in winning seven-team regionals. That seems OK to me. In fact, I would have expected the ratio to be higher. I just think that last year's winners of seven-teamers were undisputed leaders in their regions. Nothing wrong with rewarding them with No. 1 seeds, especially when seven-team regionals were necessities last season. That is unless the NCAA started to fly more teams than usual, which isn't going to happen in this D-III lifetime.
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Well I think its pretty subjective when deciding who gets a #1 seed. You could have 3 or 4 teams that may have a chance in some regionals ( i.e midwest) and thats why I do not think it is that fair. Plus here is an example of how 7 team tourneys dont work.
Midwest regional two years ago. Scholastica is #4 seed and Stevens Point is #5. Scholastica wins goes on to play Ripon who is #1. Ripon beats Scholastica. Scholastica drops all the way to the bottom of the losers bracket, meaning They have to play the same amount of games in the losers bracket as SP does to get to the championship game. Scholastica ended up losing to St. Thomas so they were out of the regional before Point, the team they beat, even played their 2nd game.
Another reason is #1 seed only has to play 3 games to win the regional, all other seeds play at least 4.
I thought in the initial release of how many pool bids go to A, B, and C it said 6 and 8 team tourneys. Side note in 06' Ripon was the #1 seed and they lost too
Quote from: MIAC baseball on February 02, 2008, 07:49:52 PM
I don't disagree, but the proof just isn't there yet. Could someone chime in with a definitive answer if the NCAA is doing away with seven-teamers this year? The baseball handbook link didn't work for me. I know this year's volleyball tournament had all 6s and 8s, but that's always been the case and it's a different tourney, obviously.
Last year, of the five No. 1 seeds at seven-team regionals, four made it to Grand Chute (Winners: Kean, Cortland, Emory, Chapman; Loser: Wheaton).
But in 2006, 3-of-4 No. 1 seeds failed to win their seven-teamers (Winner: Wheaton; Losers: New Jersey, Wooster, Cortland).
Or they were poorly seeded in 06. I know one was.
Quote from: MIAC baseball on February 02, 2008, 07:49:52 PM
Well I think its pretty subjective when deciding who gets a #1 seed. You could have 3 or 4 teams that may have a chance in some regionals ( i.e midwest) and thats why I do not think it is that fair. Plus here is an example of how 7 team tourneys dont work.
Midwest regional two years ago. Scholastica is #4 seed and Stevens Point is #5. Scholastica wins goes on to play Ripon who is #1. Ripon beats Scholastica. Scholastica drops all the way to the bottom of the losers bracket, meaning They have to play the same amount of games in the losers bracket as SP does to get to the championship game. Scholastica ended up losing to St. Thomas so they were out of the regional before Point, the team they beat, even played their 2nd game.
Another reason is #1 seed only has to play 3 games to win the regional, all other seeds play at least 4.
I thought in the initial release of how many pool bids go to A, B, and C it said 6 and 8 team tourneys. Side note in 06' Ripon was the #1 seed and they lost too
Wow. Can't believe I missed that one. So, it's 50-50 whether No. 1 seeds win seven-team regionals.
That was one of those Wash U host years, so I don't think that Midwest Regional is reflective of normal years. The seeding and participants were screwed up because of it. I think Ripon as the No. 1 surprised many. Even with your built-in advantage, it didn't matter. The best team won anyway.
Any other games in the midwest this week besides Thomas and Scholastica DH tomorrow?
MIACBaseball,
http://www.miac-online.org/schedules.asp?path=baseball&season=2008&view=all (http://www.miac-online.org/schedules.asp?path=baseball&season=2008&view=all)
StO, BU, UST, MAC, Aug, HU, GAC all have games coming up in the Dome.
Quote from: Gustie13 on February 27, 2008, 12:02:40 PM
MIACBaseball,
http://www.miac-online.org/schedules.asp?path=baseball&season=2008&view=all (http://www.miac-online.org/schedules.asp?path=baseball&season=2008&view=all)
StO, BU, UST, MAC, Aug, HU, GAC all have games coming up in the Dome.
Most WIAC teams will be at the Metrodome as well at what can effectively be called a "Border Battle" or "MIAC vs. WIAC Challenge."
Not that the results will necessarily project eventual regional success, but these early games will be huge as far as regional-ranking and seeding purposes are concerned.
I like these games better than the other option – the sometimes nonconsequential southern-trip games. I like that the region's coaches will get the in-region bullets flying right away this year.
The downside is a team's first series of the year could be the reason why it doesn't make the tourney. I think that will be one of the main plot points in the Midwest at the end of the season. Teams sometimes need a couple of series to find a groove/rotation/lineup/chemistry. There's no time for that this year. Seeds or even seasons could depend on sweeping the first doubleheader. Point/St. Thomas, Bethel/Oshkosh – even Whitewater/Edgewood – look particularly ripe for potential May conversations.
I, for one, am thankful the coaches, especially those with young teams, decided to take the riskier scheduling approach.
Scholastica and Thomas (#12) split doubleheader
Scholastica Takes game 1 over St. Thomas 6-2. Peter Burg (D1 transfer from Valparaiso) picks up the win
Scholastica down 3-4 in the bottom of the 7th, Sean Claugherty hits an opposite field homer to tie it at 4-4 and make it go to extra inings. Matt Pexa two out 2 rbi single gives thomas lead in the 8th to go up 6-4.
Thomas benefitted from 4 unearned runs in the 5th.
Both teams probably happy with a split, but guessing scholastica a little disappointed that they let the 2nd game get away because they probably should of won the second game
Todays big games:
St. Thomas vs Stevens Point DH
Both teams would probably be happy with a split
Scholastica vs Alvernia (Ft Pierce FL) DH
Scholastica took out Elizabethtown last night 8-5. Sean Claugherty hits another opposite field homer (2HRs in 3 games) All American Blake Eller had three hits, three runs, and drove in three more and also stole five bases.
Good win for the saints against an NCAA tourney team.
Hey Bballfan.....if you get any updates on today's games with CSS and Alvernia.....can you post them? Apparently, neither team is on that new scoreboard thing.....
Thanks,
Dirty
CSS won 12-6 in game one. Peter Burg moves to 2-0 for the saints.
Alvernia is up 1-0 in the top of the 3rd. The game can be listened to on the radio live at
http://www.fan560.com/pages/listenlive_launch.html
Then click on listen live
And I know CSS's conference the UMAC does not have that scoredboard and I believe the MIAC doesnt either
Thanks much, bballfan.....I'm at work and cannot listen thru that link....appreciate the updates......
Dirty
If anyone can update the Stevens Point/St. Thomas DH for today, please post the scores for everyone.....
Thanks in advance!!!!
I figured that! But thought maybe some other people might want to listen...
Alvernia is up 2-1 going to top of 4th.
CSS tied it at 1-1 in the top of 3 on a wild pitch. Alvernia scores in the bottom half due to a misplay in center on reading a fly ball. B Eller out today, tweaked a hamstring in game 1 sounds like a precaution due to his history.
Kummet still on the mound with 4 or 5 Ks.
Is CSS hitting the Alvernia pitcher? Any K's?
CSS not really hitting too much, I think they have only 3 or 4 hits, couple Ks.
Lanari enters for the Saints to start the bottom of the fourth, loads the bases with 2 outs and gives up a 2 RBI single. Still bottom of 4 Alvernia up 4-1
Kummet pitches 3 innings, 2 runs, 6 Ks
Lanari gets a K to get out of the inning.
Saints go 1-2-3 in the 5th, still continue not to hit the ball hard! Quick inning for Lanari in bottom of 5.
To the 6th we go
Thank you very much bballfan for these updates....I really appreciate it.....
Saints cant take advantage of a leadoff double with their 2-3-4 hitters up after. Go to bottom of 6th
Brandon Fritz comes in gives bases loaded walk, then a bases clearing triple...down 8-1.
Heading to top of 7th.
Saints need a huge rally to get Coach Baggs his 500th win!
Awesome job today bballfan.....if I knew how to hand out "karma" points, you'd get some.....
Are they running the starter back out, or a reliever?
I am not sure, I did not hear if there was a pitching change for them. Alvernia did pitch their #1 this game though. Saints so far have 2 hits and a walk to load the bases in 7th with no out (total of 5 hits for the game so far).
Got their Freshman some at bats. #9, 1 ,2 due up
K, K, ground out to end the game! Alvernia win 8-1. Good win for Alvernia
Saints were probably happy if they got a split going into the DH (since Alvernia is a NCAA tourney team), but have to be disappointed at the same time after winning the 1st game so convincingly and having Kummet on the mound for game 2. #500 will have to wait another day!
Actually, bballfan, he started the year as #3 if I heard correctly, he's a freshman.....#1 (Jr.) & #2 (So.) each got wins vs. Susquehanna on Sunday. Whatever # each guy is will shake out as the year goes by....they are all good pitchers, and the staff does a nice job with them. Good luck to you guys the rest of the way....thanks again for the updates.
Quote from: DirtyHairy on March 03, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
Actually, bballfan, he started the year as #3 if I heard correctly, he's a freshman.....#1 (Jr.) & #2 (So.) each got wins vs. Susquehanna on Sunday. Whatever # each guy is will shake out as the year goes by....they are all good pitchers, and the staff does a nice job with them. Good luck to you guys the rest of the way....thanks again for the updates.
Ok that makes sense, just going off what the radio said.
St Thomas and Stevens Point split. Stevens point wins the first 6-3 then St. Thomas wins the second 4-1
New national rankings The midwest is below
#4 Stevens Point Move up a spot split with St. Thomas after poll
#10 Oshkosh Move up a spot without playing
#14 St. Thomas Move down 2 with split with CSS
RV Whitewater More votes with sweep of Edgewood
RV Scholastica received less votes despite split with St. thomas and beat Elizabethtown
RV Olaf less votes
RV St Norbert new to poll
Surprising to see Whitewater and Scholastica not in top 25 after good weeks
CSS back in action today against Eastern U, up 2-0 early
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 04, 2008, 11:49:52 AM
Surprising to see Whitewater and Scholastica not in top 25 after good weeks
The pollsters will soon realize that Whitewater/Oshkosh are the WIAC's top-10-worthy teams, not Point/Oshkosh.
Quote from: OshDude on March 04, 2008, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 04, 2008, 11:49:52 AM
Surprising to see Whitewater and Scholastica not in top 25 after good weeks
The pollsters will soon realize that Whitewater/Oshkosh are the WIAC's top-10-worthy teams, not Point/Oshkosh.
Well for now Point deserves it due o last couple years, we will see how the next couple weeks turn out. Its hard for any region to get more than 4 teams ranked, but definately think CSS and UWW should be there and probably will in the next two weeks.
CSS won 18-2 John Baggs picks up his 500th win!
Hey Oshkosh Dude, what's your beef with Point being ranked where they are? They do return 11 seniors who have World Series experience. Yes, Jordan Zimmerman, can not be replaced, but there could be some surprises with the starting rotation. Looking at the schedules the 3 teams play before the regular season starts, it is apparent which school plays the toughest schedule(Point).
At least they will be battle tested when they come back from Florida, having played against Wooster, Otterbein and Ohio Wesleyan. Can't say the same for Oshkosh or WW. The thing that matters is where you finish in the end, and look for Point to be there for the 3rd year in a row.
Quote from: szlongball on March 05, 2008, 01:29:35 PM
Hey Oshkosh Dude, what's your beef with Point being ranked where they are? They do return 11 seniors who have World Series experience. Yes, Jordan Zimmerman, can not be replaced, but there could be some surprises with the starting rotation. Looking at the schedules the 3 teams play before the regular season starts, it is apparent which school plays the toughest schedule(Point).
At least they will be battle tested when they come back from Florida, having played against Wooster, Otterbein and Ohio Wesleyan. Can't say the same for Oshkosh or WW. The thing that matters is where you finish in the end, and look for Point to be there for the 3rd year in a row.
No beef. It's just an opinion. We disagree, and that's good. I get why people think Point is the best in the WIAC right now. I'm saying the Pointers are not. I think Point is very good – good for third in the regular-season WIAC and definitely good enough to win the WIAC annual AQ crapshoot. Either way, I think Point's good enough to make regionals. After that, who knows?
True, the schedule Point will play may help in the long run. But it's definitely true that Point's Florida schedule doesn't affect its status because those Ohio teams are not in-region.
Oshkosh plays Bethel, Luther, CSS and St. Thomas during preseason. All are good. All are in-region. Riskier? Yes. Much easier than Point's schedule? In my opinion, no.
The reason why I like WW is the same reason why you like Point – the schedule. WW plays/played Edgewood, Augsberg, Bethel, Olaf, Worcester/St. Cloud (not regional) during preseason. Decent but not spectacular. But WW plays Point and Oshkosh at home during the conference season. I think that matters.
That's on top of me thinking WW has the best pitching in the WIAC. All three contenders have very strong lineups, and WW's staff puts the 'Hawks above the rest. That's not saying I don't like many Point and Oshkosh arms because I do.
Curious, on-paper Point, WW & Osh are the top 3 and will play King-of-the-hill for the top spot. Who from the rest of the conference will fight for the remaining places in the conference tourney? Will anyone of those up-starts be able to split with P, WW or O? In other words, any legitimate dark horses?
Quote from: for2n8john on March 06, 2008, 11:09:08 PM
Curious, on-paper Point, WW & Osh are the top 3 and will play King-of-the-hill for the top spot. Who from the rest of the conference will fight for the remaining places in the conference tourney? Will anyone of those up-starts be able to split with P, WW or O? In other words, any legitimate dark horses?
Don't know about splitting a season series, but any team – even Superior, for the first time in recent memory – could split a doubleheader with the top three.
I'm on record as liking La Crosse as the fourth party guest this season.
The fourth team has almost always been decided by one season series. Last year it was LAX/Stout. This year I think the key series is Platteville/LAX. But to be honest, there won't be a "key series" if Superior isn't the "second bye" it has been in the recent past. Just two games in, the Suptown Bees already appear to have a little sting this year. I hope that's the case, so we can have a more interesting schedule, fewer run-rule games and worthwhile bus trips.
I remember "cubs" posting that he likes Stout again this year, but I could be wrong. What team do you like as the fourth?
I think the rest of the wiac will see some competitive games against UWS and shouldnt take them lightly. I think they might even be spoilers for those top 3 teams in the WIAC and win a couple of those games.
Oshkosh wins 2 tight ones against Bethel 4-0 and 3-2. So either Oshkosh might not be that great or Bethel is pretty good this year. I think a little of both that Bethel is pretty good and probably Oshkosh getting some rust off to start the season
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 07, 2008, 12:58:16 PM
Oshkosh wins 2 tight ones against Bethel 4-0 and 3-2. So either Oshkosh might not be that great or Bethel is pretty good this year. I think a little of both that Bethel is pretty good and probably Oshkosh getting some rust off to start the season
Not sure what you expected. Oshkosh swept a good Bethel team in a doubleheader that started at 5:40 a.m. Bethel is not going to give up 13 runs very often, and Oshkosh isn't going to beat many good teams 13-2 this year.
Hendricks had a great line in the opener. He's always had the stuff. I hope he solidifies himself as the No. 2 behind Rubens. Then if Demmin and Perlewitz can slot in at No. 3/4, UWO is sitting pretty.
Nice to see Kannenberg is pitching again. Also great to see Oshkosh running at the top of the order.
Quote from: OshDude on March 07, 2008, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 07, 2008, 12:58:16 PM
Oshkosh wins 2 tight ones against Bethel 4-0 and 3-2. So either Oshkosh might not be that great or Bethel is pretty good this year. I think a little of both that Bethel is pretty good and probably Oshkosh getting some rust off to start the season
Not sure what you expected. Oshkosh swept a good Bethel team in a doubleheader that started at 5:40 a.m. Bethel is not going to give up 13 runs very often, and Oshkosh isn't going to beat many good teams 13-2 this year.
Hendricks had a great line in the opener. He's always had the stuff. I hope he solidifies himself as the No. 2 behind Rubens. Then if Demmin and Perlewitz can slot in at No. 3/4, UWO is sitting pretty.
Nice to see Kannenberg is pitching again. Also great to see Oshkosh running at the top of the order.
Whoa oshdude relax! Just making observations that they were close games and said Bethel is probably pretty good so I dont know what you are getting so upset about.
Who is this Hendricks guy he has no stats from last year?
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 07, 2008, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 07, 2008, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 07, 2008, 12:58:16 PM
Oshkosh wins 2 tight ones against Bethel 4-0 and 3-2. So either Oshkosh might not be that great or Bethel is pretty good this year. I think a little of both that Bethel is pretty good and probably Oshkosh getting some rust off to start the season
Not sure what you expected. Oshkosh swept a good Bethel team in a doubleheader that started at 5:40 a.m. Bethel is not going to give up 13 runs very often, and Oshkosh isn't going to beat many good teams 13-2 this year.
Hendricks had a great line in the opener. He's always had the stuff. I hope he solidifies himself as the No. 2 behind Rubens. Then if Demmin and Perlewitz can slot in at No. 3/4, UWO is sitting pretty.
Nice to see Kannenberg is pitching again. Also great to see Oshkosh running at the top of the order.
Whoa oshdude relax! Just making observations that they were close games and said Bethel is probably pretty good so I dont know what you are getting so upset about.
Who is this Hendricks guy he has no stats from last year?
LOL. I think you're reading something into my post that's not there. I'm totally calm, dude.
You said Oshkosh is getting rust off. I said nothing is wrong with two wins. Don't know how that comes off as upset, although your response implies that you want or expect me to be. That's really weird, BTW.
Hendricks pitched well early in past seasons. Tall and lanky right-hander, decent stuff, knows how to pitch and is always around the plate.
Quote from: OshDude on March 07, 2008, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 07, 2008, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 07, 2008, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 07, 2008, 12:58:16 PM
Oshkosh wins 2 tight ones against Bethel 4-0 and 3-2. So either Oshkosh might not be that great or Bethel is pretty good this year. I think a little of both that Bethel is pretty good and probably Oshkosh getting some rust off to start the season
Not sure what you expected. Oshkosh swept a good Bethel team in a doubleheader that started at 5:40 a.m. Bethel is not going to give up 13 runs very often, and Oshkosh isn't going to beat many good teams 13-2 this year.
Hendricks had a great line in the opener. He's always had the stuff. I hope he solidifies himself as the No. 2 behind Rubens. Then if Demmin and Perlewitz can slot in at No. 3/4, UWO is sitting pretty.
Nice to see Kannenberg is pitching again. Also great to see Oshkosh running at the top of the order.
Whoa oshdude relax! Just making observations that they were close games and said Bethel is probably pretty good so I dont know what you are getting so upset about.
Who is this Hendricks guy he has no stats from last year?
LOL. I think you're reading something into my post that's not there. I'm totally calm, dude.
You said Oshkosh is getting rust off. I said nothing is wrong with two wins. Don't know how that comes off as upset, although your response implies that you want or expect me to be. That's really weird, BTW.
Hendricks pitched well early in past seasons. Tall and lanky right-hander, decent stuff, knows how to pitch and is always around the plate.
You told me "not sure what you expected" so I thought in the words of Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh they would announce their presence with authority.
So Hendricks is a guy that might have what it takes but is not consistent enough. And probably was not good enough to pitch in a regional because his stuff is not of that caliber, would that be fair enough to say?...just surprising to see a guy not pitch a single inning last year and in your opinion become a hopeful #2.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 08, 2008, 03:04:31 AM
So Hendricks is a guy that might have what it takes but is not consistent enough. And probably was not good enough to pitch in a regional because his stuff is not of that caliber, would that be fair enough to say?...just surprising to see a guy not pitch a single inning last year and in your opinion become a hopeful #2.
I think he was injured last season. His stuff is above-average. He had a good 2006 season. He could have been the No. 3 or 4 starter last season, behind two all-conference seniors and Rubens, a good freshman. Then again maybe Rubens doesn't get a chance last year if Hendricks were healthy.
Now I think it's either Hendricks or Rubens for the top spot. Could go either way. My guess right now would be Rubens then Hendricks, Demmin and Perlewitz. But the UWO staff has been known to always be up for modification because of quality depth and endless competition.
Oshkosh has another early DH today which is really too bad. Its nice to be able to play in the Dome and get some early games but a lot of times, you end up playing really early or really late. And then if you are lucky they sometimes jack up the heat to melt the snow off the roof.
Oshdude please give results
Scholastica picked up a pair off shutouts yesterday. Peter Burg 3-0 on the young year for the Saints
No results on UWW games last night yet
UWW splits with Augsburg, win 8-0, lose 6-2.
I would say not the best split for UWW but good split with Augsburg. They are a decent team who will probably finish about 5th in the MIAC. If UWW needs those sweep those DHs just in case they dont finish ahead of Point or Oshkosh
OshDude: "I remember "cubs" posting that he likes Stout again this year, but I could be wrong. What team do you like as the fourth?"
I'm fishing. I'm new to watching the college game and have only seen 1 WIAC game last season (Stout @ WW). Stout was off to a slow start and improved a greatly deal to finish in 4th. Surprisely, ahead of LAX and upset someone on 1st day of Trny. Wondering if they could keep it going this year. Only lost 1 pitcher and 1 WIAC MVP. Heavy senior-laden team who has a great deal of experience. Sounds like they should be getting more respect here. I'll front for Stout on this board.
More importantly, I'm just trying to figure out which games not to miss. I'd like to see the top performers in conference and know what caliber the competition is. If they beat someone noteworthy, I'll know whether to get excited.
They took care of business against a D2 opponent, UM-Crookston. I know its a weak program last year. But a new coach and it being D2, they could turnaround quicly 1 yr to the next. Anyway, Stout won 7-3 with Vilstup and Hanson combining for the pitching. Mike White is an impressive leadoff hitter this yr. E. Paul and Lorenzen had great days too at the plate. Seem loaded with hitting.
Game 2 they won handily 13-5. Doornik pitched but gave up 5 in the 4th after losing control. Got the win anyway.
Sunday night they play Gustusvas. They appear to be a respectable team. Anyone to watch on them?
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 08, 2008, 01:29:15 PM
UWW splits with Augsburg, win 8-0, lose 6-2.
I would say not the best split for UWW but good split with Augsburg. They are a decent team who will probably finish about 5th in the MIAC. If UWW needs those sweep those DHs just in case they dont finish ahead of Point or Oshkosh
Agreed. WW should sweep Augsburg, although I like Augsburg more than most others. I have them third in the MIAC.
The second game started well after midnight, and Augsburg scored five unearned runs without a hit (three errors) after the WW starter exited in the 6th. You could say good teams don't do that, but it could also have been a fluky thing.
Quote from: for2n8john on March 08, 2008, 02:14:40 PM
OshDude: "I remember "cubs" posting that he likes Stout again this year, but I could be wrong. What team do you like as the fourth?"
I'm fishing. I'm new to watching the college game and have only seen 1 WIAC game last season (Stout @ WW). Stout was off to a slow start and improved a greatly deal to finish in 4th. Surprisely, ahead of LAX and upset someone on 1st day of Trny. Wondering if they could keep it going this year. Only lost 1 pitcher and 1 WIAC MVP. Heavy senior-laden team who has a great deal of experience. Sounds like they should be getting more respect here. I'll front for Stout on this board.
More importantly, I'm just trying to figure out which games not to miss. I'd like to see the top performers in conference and know what caliber the competition is. If they beat someone noteworthy, I'll know whether to get excited.
They took care of business against a D2 opponent, UM-Crookston. I know its a weak program last year. But a new coach and it being D2, they could turnaround quicly 1 yr to the next. Anyway, Stout won 7-3 with Vilstup and Hanson combining for the pitching. Mike White is an impressive leadoff hitter this yr. E. Paul and Lorenzen had great days too at the plate. Seem loaded with hitting.
Game 2 they won handily 13-5. Doornik pitched but gave up 5 in the 4th after losing control. Got the win anyway.
Sunday night they play Gustusvas. They appear to be a respectable team. Anyone to watch on them?
I like the whole WIAC this year. I thought Stout was the obvious pick as the fourth last season. I could be wrong, but I don't think any team as the fourth would surprise anyone this year, although I would be a bit surprised to see Superior. My hunch is La Crosse. My string of picking the order of the top four could end at five season in 2008.
Stout definitely has the ingredients to get there, but so do the others. Heck, an injury to Oshkosh and we could be looking at two new teams in the WIAC tourney. I think Oshkosh has the least margin for error/injury of the top three. But at the same time, I think what UWO has now is better than Point – at least head-to-head.
What games not to miss? Go see every game you can. There's good ball being played every weekend in the WIAC. If Stout beats any WIAC team, I wouldn't consider it an upset unless it beats Dott from Whitewater, Nix from Point or Rubens from Oshkosh. The rest is fair game, IMO.
As far as individuals, don't miss the top half of almost every team's lineups.
MIAC v WIAC so far: WIAC 6 - MIAC 2.
Notes: From a MIAC perspective, I'd say the USt - UWSP was fine and AUG - UWW split was good, and the BU sweep at the hands of UWO isn't that bad considering the games were close. Aug getting swept by LAX wasn't good to see. Still lots of games to come between the two conferences, 22 games yet to be played. GAC-Stout should be a good benchmark DH, same with AUG-Stout. USt - UWO in the Dome on 3/25 should be a good one.
Stout is playing half a MIAC conf schedule, 9 games against MIAC teams.
30 games b/n the 2 confs seems higher than what I seem to remember past years... anyone with more experience/perspective know? Either way, its great to see, imo.
Im not sure if this season has the most games between MIAC and WIAC. But I would not be surprised if this was the most sense the NCAA really harps on in-region games. Scholastica played I think 11 games against the MIAC last year so its not surprising to see the WIAC teams doing it also. I would agree its good to see a lot of these in region games.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 08, 2008, 10:29:33 AM
Oshkosh has another early DH today which is really too bad. Its nice to be able to play in the Dome and get some early games but a lot of times, you end up playing really early or really late. And then if you are lucky they sometimes jack up the heat to melt the snow off the roof.
Oshdude please give results
I posted this on the WIAC board, and I'll post it here. Oshkosh and Luther did not play enough innings of their second game due to a time limit. Luther was leading 9-5 in the sixth when the game was called, but the result will not count for either team.
UWO won game one, 7-5, in eight innings. Oshkosh is 3-0 on the season, not 3-1. Luther is 0-1.
Quote from: OshDude on March 09, 2008, 02:51:37 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 08, 2008, 10:29:33 AM
Oshkosh has another early DH today which is really too bad. Its nice to be able to play in the Dome and get some early games but a lot of times, you end up playing really early or really late. And then if you are lucky they sometimes jack up the heat to melt the snow off the roof.
Oshdude please give results
I posted this on the WIAC board, and I'll post it here. Oshkosh and Luther did not play enough innings of their second game due to a time limit. Luther was leading 9-5 in the sixth when the game was called, but the result will not count for either team.
UWO won game one, 7-5, in eight innings. Oshkosh is 3-0 on the season, not 3-1. Luther is 0-1.
That seems really strange because I would think it would be the same as if it was raining/lightning and the game was called. Because in that case the losing team has to only have 5 innings but maybe its different in the dome or the coaches made an agreement.
Yeah, it is different in the dome. You HAVE to finish 7 innings for it to be counted as an official game. The dome gives you 4 1/2 hours to get 2 games in and if you don't finish then the game doesn't count according to NCAA rules, because weather was not a factor in the situation.
Yup, same reason why Hamline's 2nd game vs Central and Mac's 2nd game vs Jamestown don't count http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/baseball/baseball.html (http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/baseball/baseball.html) http://athletics.macalester.edu/news/2008/2/28/BB_0228085317.aspx (http://athletics.macalester.edu/news/2008/2/28/BB_0228085317.aspx). Although, interestingly enough, HU and Central will complete game 2 on their spring trips in AZ.
New Poll
In Midwest rankings
#7 Oshkosh
#9 Stevens Point
#14 St Thomas
Whitewater, Scholastica, St. Norbert, St. Olaf receive votes in that order
Still surprised Scholastica (9-2) did not get a lot more votes or even make the top #25 but thats polls for ya.
Pretty boring week for the midwest as teams are getting back or preparing for spring trips, but thought I would try to give some rankings after the initial wave of games.
1. Oshkosh 3-0 (should be 3-1 due to a time constraint)
2. Scholastica 9-2 (Split with Thomas and beat some quality NCAA teams in florida)
3. Stevens Point 1-1 (Split with Thomas, 2-time defending region champs)
4. St. Thomas 2-2 (Could be the best team but could not show dominance over region, 2 splits)
5. Whitewater 3-1 (good sweep, bad split)
6. St. Olaf (split against Wartburg)
7. St. Norbert 0-0 (no games played yet basing on last year
Looking up at the pack
Bethel (3-3), Gustavus (3-1), Stout (3-1)
I think the top 5 teams are going to have to fight it out because they are pretty solid teams. Oshkosh and Scholastica match up will tell us a lot if there is a sweep
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 15, 2008, 02:45:13 PM
1. Oshkosh 3-0 (should be 3-1 due to a time constraint)
2. Scholastica 9-2 (Split with Thomas and beat some quality NCAA teams in florida)
3. Stevens Point 1-1 (Split with Thomas, 2-time defending region champs)
4. St. Thomas 2-2 (Could be the best team but could not show dominance over region, 2 splits)
5. Whitewater 3-1 (good sweep, bad split)
6. St. Olaf (split against Wartburg)
7. St. Norbert 0-0 (no games played yet basing on last year
Looking up at the pack
Bethel (3-3), Gustavus (3-1), Stout (3-1)
Hard to argue against yours. Good list. Here's mine.
1. UWO
2. St. Thomas
3. WW (I still like Augsburg)
4. Point
5. CSS (Like the StT, Alvernia splits. The rest? Whatever, like usual. 1-1 in-region. 2-2 vs. baseball teams)
6. Norbert
7. St. Olaf (although the offense better help out the pitchers sometime)
HM: Bethel, Augsburg (I'll believe for a few more weeks), Gustavus, Ripon (yet to beat a good team), the entire WIAC (La Crosse is my favorite of the group)
Quote from: OshDude on March 15, 2008, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 15, 2008, 02:45:13 PM
1. Oshkosh 3-0 (should be 3-1 due to a time constraint)
2. Scholastica 9-2 (Split with Thomas and beat some quality NCAA teams in florida)
3. Stevens Point 1-1 (Split with Thomas, 2-time defending region champs)
4. St. Thomas 2-2 (Could be the best team but could not show dominance over region, 2 splits)
5. Whitewater 3-1 (good sweep, bad split)
6. St. Olaf (split against Wartburg)
7. St. Norbert 0-0 (no games played yet basing on last year
Looking up at the pack
Bethel (3-3), Gustavus (3-1), Stout (3-1)
Hard to argue against yours. Good list. Here's mine.
1. UWO
2. St. Thomas
3. WW (I still like Augsburg)
4. Point
5. CSS (Like the StT, Alvernia splits. The rest? Whatever, like usual. 1-1 in-region. 2-2 vs. baseball teams)
6. Norbert
7. St. Olaf (although the offense better help out the pitchers sometime)
HM: Bethel, Augsburg (I'll believe for a few more weeks), Gustavus, Ripon (yet to beat a good team), the entire WIAC (La Crosse is my favorite of the group)
Nice list also, its hard to place the top 5 teams in my opinion. None of them have come out dominant. The reason for CSS #2 is they went 3-2 against NCAA teams (Elizabethtown the other) in 4 days and after cashing their bullpen still beat a couple other .500 teams.
It will be interesting to see who wants to separate themselves from the pack because the last 2 years the #1 seeds have not be easy to pick. Ripon 2 years ago shouldnt of been, Point barely got it last year if you ask me since their record was not phenomenol
New rankings midwest teams sit at
#6 Oshkosh
#11 Point
#16 St. Thomas
RV 53 UWW
RV 51 Ripon
RV 29 CSS
RV 16 Gustavus
RV 15 Augsburg
RV 1 St. Norbert
The obvious surprise of this poll was to see Ripon receiving votes so many votes after not receiving any votes in any of the prior polls. Yes 8-1 now but weak competition (which oshdude said before) and a lot of close ones at that. My guess there might be a Ripon person on the poll or just that they hadnt played a game yet prior to this week.
So I think this shows how the polls mean nothing because Ripon has beat nobody, and they are ahead of CSS and almost UWW. It would be interesting to see who makes up the poll members.
Anybody have any thoughts
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 18, 2008, 03:31:54 PM
New rankings midwest teams sit at
#6 Oshkosh
#11 Point
#16 St. Thomas
RV 53 UWW
RV 51 Ripon
RV 29 CSS
RV 16 Gustavus
RV 15 Augsburg
RV 1 St. Norbert
The obvious surprise of this poll was to see Ripon receiving votes so many votes after not receiving any votes in any of the prior polls. Yes 8-1 now but weak competition (which oshdude said before) and a lot of close ones at that. My guess there might be a Ripon person on the poll or just that they hadnt played a game yet prior to this week.
So I think this shows how the polls mean nothing because Ripon has beat nobody, and they are ahead of CSS and almost UWW. It would be interesting to see who makes up the poll members.
Anybody have any thoughts
I think it's natural for people outside the region to see "Ripon, 8-1" and vote from memory. Sort of like, "That's a frequent tourney participant, and it has one of the best records in the nation." Who knows, maybe
we're the ones who are underestimating the young Hawks.
I agree with you. If Ripon is that high, then CSS should probably be higher. But I don't have a problem with it. It'll all shake out in about three weeks. The list of RV teams will dwindle and the rest will take shape. I doubt nine MW teams will be receiving votes in three or four weeks.
Quote from: OshDude on March 18, 2008, 05:30:05 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 18, 2008, 03:31:54 PM
New rankings midwest teams sit at
#6 Oshkosh
#11 Point
#16 St. Thomas
RV 53 UWW
RV 51 Ripon
RV 29 CSS
RV 16 Gustavus
RV 15 Augsburg
RV 1 St. Norbert
The obvious surprise of this poll was to see Ripon receiving votes so many votes after not receiving any votes in any of the prior polls. Yes 8-1 now but weak competition (which oshdude said before) and a lot of close ones at that. My guess there might be a Ripon person on the poll or just that they hadnt played a game yet prior to this week.
So I think this shows how the polls mean nothing because Ripon has beat nobody, and they are ahead of CSS and almost UWW. It would be interesting to see who makes up the poll members.
Anybody have any thoughts
I think it's natural for people outside the region to see "Ripon, 8-1" and vote from memory. Sort of like, "That's a frequent tourney participant, and it has one of the best records in the nation." Who knows, maybe we're the ones who are underestimating the young Hawks.
I agree with you. If Ripon is that high, then CSS should probably be higher. But I don't have a problem with it. It'll all shake out in about three weeks. The list of RV teams will dwindle and the rest will take shape. I doubt nine MW teams will be receiving votes in three or four weeks.
Yea I would agree in the next three weeks most of the teams will drop out, even though it seems like teams that lose dont move positions that much. I can see 5 times being ranked Oshkosh, Point, Thomas, Ripon and CSS....CSS and Ripon will most likely pile up a lot of wins in their conference so i think they should be recognized for that and will probabaly not allow UWW in the top 25.
Talk about 2 tough days ahead for Oshkosh: 24th DH against CSS, 25 DH against St. Thomas. Definite advantage to CSS and Thomas because Oshkosh will have will have to go 5-8 deep in their bullpen and have to save guys for each game. Where as the other 2 teams can come out with their top 3-4 pitchers each
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 18, 2008, 08:37:45 PM
Talk about 2 tough days ahead for Oshkosh: 24th DH against CSS, 25 DH against St. Thomas. Definite advantage to CSS and Thomas because Oshkosh will have will have to go 5-8 deep in their bullpen and have to save guys for each game. Where as the other 2 teams can come out with their top 3-4 pitchers each
And it seems like forever ago since Oshkosh last played. But going off of the Lechnir quotes in the local papers, the UWO guys have a lot to prove and I'm sure they'll just be happy to be playing again.
I know CSS hasn't been playing reguarly either, but the Titans have a lot going against them versus the Tommies on the back end.
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Quote from: OshDude on March 18, 2008, 05:30:05 PM
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New rankings midwest teams sit at
#6 Oshkosh
#11 Point
#16 St. Thomas
RV 53 UWW
RV 51 Ripon
RV 29 CSS
RV 16 Gustavus
RV 15 Augsburg
RV 1 St. Norbert
The obvious surprise of this poll was to see Ripon receiving votes so many votes after not receiving any votes in any of the prior polls. Yes 8-1 now but weak competition (which oshdude said before) and a lot of close ones at that. My guess there might be a Ripon person on the poll or just that they hadnt played a game yet prior to this week.
So I think this shows how the polls mean nothing because Ripon has beat nobody, and they are ahead of CSS and almost UWW. It would be interesting to see who makes up the poll members.
Anybody have any thoughts
I think it's natural for people outside the region to see "Ripon, 8-1" and vote from memory. Sort of like, "That's a frequent tourney participant, and it has one of the best records in the nation." Who knows, maybe we're the ones who are underestimating the young Hawks.
I agree with you. If Ripon is that high, then CSS should probably be higher. But I don't have a problem with it. It'll all shake out in about three weeks. The list of RV teams will dwindle and the rest will take shape. I doubt nine MW teams will be receiving votes in three or four weeks.
Yea I would agree in the next three weeks most of the teams will drop out, even though it seems like teams that lose dont move positions that much. I can see 5 times being ranked Oshkosh, Point, Thomas, Ripon and CSS....CSS and Ripon will most likely pile up a lot of wins in their conference so i think they should be recognized for that and will probabaly not allow UWW in the top 25.
Talk about 2 tough days ahead for Oshkosh: 24th DH against CSS, 25 DH against St. Thomas. Definite advantage to CSS and Thomas because Oshkosh will have will have to go 5-8 deep in their bullpen and have to save guys for each game. Where as the other 2 teams can come out with their top 3-4 pitchers each
I wouldn't automatically assume Oshkosh and USt will use all their top pitchers in this DH because both teams start their conf seasons on the 29th. I could see CSS throwing Kummet and Burg because the UMAC is weak and they face Crown the opening weekend (Crown's 2007 conf record: 1-15).
Quote from: OshDude on March 19, 2008, 05:57:22 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 18, 2008, 08:37:45 PM
Talk about 2 tough days ahead for Oshkosh: 24th DH against CSS, 25 DH against St. Thomas. Definite advantage to CSS and Thomas because Oshkosh will have will have to go 5-8 deep in their bullpen and have to save guys for each game. Where as the other 2 teams can come out with their top 3-4 pitchers each
And it seems like forever ago since Oshkosh last played. But going off of the Lechnir quotes in the local papers, the UWO guys have a lot to prove and I'm sure they'll just be happy to be playing again.
I know CSS hasn't been playing reguarly either, but the Titans have a lot going against them versus the Tommies on the back end.
Well I think every team would say they have a lot to prove so thats not surprising. CSS has been off for a week and half now but they play Buena Vista tonight in the Metrodome so a little warm up for Oshkosh. Im sure Oshkosh would be satisfied with 2 splits and really happy going 3-1.
CSS will probably throw Kummet & Berg like they did against Thomas and they will come back to pitch against Gustavus.
I could see St. Thomas break up their pitchers having their 1-4 pitch 3-4 innings apiece that way they can still come back against Bethel on 3 days rest. But Denning seems to like to test some of his other pitchers against good competition so probably a mixture.
I would still bet Oshkosh throws their better pitchers cuz they can still come back on 4 days rest against UWS (1-23 conference record, but will improve upon that this year)
I think games like these have big region implications (getting in and even seeding). A sweep for any of the teams could give them a higher seed, plus CSS needs at least a split to help for their bid.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 19, 2008, 12:07:10 PM
Well I think every team would say they have a lot to prove so thats not surprising.
I could see St. Thomas break up their pitchers having their 1-4 pitch 3-4 innings apiece that way they can still come back against Bethel on 3 days rest. But Denning seems to like to test some of his other pitchers against good competition so probably a mixture.
I would still bet Oshkosh throws their better pitchers cuz they can still come back on 4 days rest against UWS (1-23 conference record, but will improve upon that this year)
I think games like these have big region implications (getting in and even seeding). A sweep for any of the teams could give them a higher seed, plus CSS needs at least a split to help for their bid.
I watered it down. Lechnir basically said Oshkosh sucked against Luther, although Lechnir being blunt and honest is nothing new either. I meant "something to prove" as more specific than general cliche.
I have little doubt that CSS, UWO and StT will throw their bests at each other. There's no reason not to. In most ways, these games are more important than conference games, assuming all of those teams do what's expected during the conference season and reach about 30 wins.
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I watered it down. Lechnir basically said Oshkosh sucked against Luther, although Lechnir being blunt and honest is nothing new either. I meant "something to prove" as more specific than general cliche.
I have little doubt that CSS, UWO and StT will throw their bests at each other. There's no reason not to. In most ways, these games are more important than conference games, assuming all of those teams do what's expected during the conference season and reach about 30 wins.
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Yea neither of these teams can afford being swept so they will come out with their guns on the mound. In-region games against teams with .750 winning percentage (which these 3 will probabaly end up) are hard to come by.
CSS (11-2) sweeps Buena Vista 12-0, 8-6 in a DH that began at 1130 PM. Peter Burg (4-0) and Adian Kummet (2-1) picked up wins.
St. Thomas (9-3) splits with Salve Regina who was 27-11 last year but did not make the tourney. Nobody else in the MIAC with stellar records Olaf & Gustavus 4-2.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 20, 2008, 12:44:11 PM
CSS (11-2) sweeps Buena Vista 12-0, 8-6 in a DH that began at 1130 PM. Peter Burg (4-0) and Adian Kummet (2-1) picked up wins.
St. Thomas (9-3) splits with Salve Regina who was 27-11 last year but did not make the tourney. Nobody else in the MIAC with stellar records Olaf & Gustavus 4-2.
Hamline keeps beating the 4-seed WIAC contenders and losing to teams like Con-Wis. Suggests maybe quality over quantity. Definitely surprises me, and Hamline could be decent this year.
Quote from: OshDude on March 20, 2008, 03:52:33 PM
Hamline keeps beating the 4-seed WIAC contenders and losing to teams like Con-Wis. Suggests maybe quality over quantity. Definitely surprises me, and Hamline could be decent this year.
It is suprising to see them beat some good teams (sweep Lacrosse & Stout) and lose to not so good teams. Could be a nice surprise this year. Things could possibly be wide open after St. Thomas in the MIAC and after the big 3 in the WIAC.
StO's results so far this year give me the feeling they may have fallen back to the pack. StO, GAC, HU, BU, AUG could all be fighting for the 3 playoff spots behind USt.
Anyone know anything about Luther's Cody Hyland? He certainly doesn't look like one of their better pitchers from the stats but he held a pretty deep GAC lineup to 1 hit last night.
St. Scholastica and Oshkosh split today at the Metrodome. Please read on, though. I did a little commentary to humor myself. Game 2 was truly bizarre. The last three innings were NOT baseball and took about 25 minutes to play, thanks to CSS working against the time limit. The 5th and 6th took about seven minutes apiece. At one point CSS had to get through 4 full innings in less than 35 minutes.
UWO wins Game 1, 10-3. CSS wins Game 2, 10-5. I'm very happy CSS got credit for dominating UWO, unlike a couple of weeks ago when time ran out on Loras.
EDIT: UWO's No. 5, Kyle Kannenberg, vs. CSS's No. 2, Peter Burg, in Game 2 (UWO saving No. 1 Jeremy Rubens and No. 2/3 Curt Hendricks for St. Thomas tomorrow).
Game 2: CSS 10, UWO 5 (7 innings). UWO's Kannenberg out; 3B/P Brock Wetenkamp out; frosh P Cory Reiland out; frosh P Ryan Kuepper out; soph P Travis Helland out; frosh P Evan Matson in for UWO. Wetenkamp, Reiland, Kuepper, Helland and Matson getting their first innings of the year.
White flag time for UWO [when it was 10-0 after 4], but time is a factor. Game needs to be completed by 4:45 (central) for it to count. UWO might get saved by the bell again ... weird game. CSS playing against the clock more than UWO at this point.
Tick tick tick ... less than 10 minutes to get in 1 inning, but CSS is blowing through these innings. The crazy pace the past three innings has put CSS in a good position get this one in. No 10-run rule. UWO, the home team, can control "tempo." CSS bunting with a 10-run lead to get the game over. CSS's Burg throwing two pitches between innings, and meatballs during the innings. He probably threw 60 straight 75-mph fastballs down the middle. UWO still playing baseball and making quick pitching changes, but this is brutal. Something needs to change in the Metrodome scheduling.
Hits are working against CSS? CSS trying for early groundouts at the plate? UWO commits an error in the 6th and CSS runs into a tag by 20 feet at second base? CSS getting singles and walking into tags at second? CSS not even jogging out ground balls? This isn't baseball. And it's a shame these two teams have to play this way. CSS deserves to win this game, and these two teams should have things decided on the field. Regional seedings are directly affected by a clock? That stinks.
The game ended at 4:44. Even though the last inning started, the game would have been called if one more UWO batter reached, the CSS coach said after the game. He said another thing working against CSS was UWO's coaches, who call all pitches from the dugout, thus taking longer. I'd say running into tags is a far worse offense against baseball than calling pitches from the bench, which UWO has done for years. I doubt CSS has made a habit of playing crap baseball for the last 3 1/2 innings of a seven-inning game. Lost a bit of respect for the CSS coach today with that comment. I'm actually surprised CSS batters were not hit in the butt a few times today. Either way, I think this one will have a lasting effect. Neither team will forget how the game was played today.
CSS has two RBI groundouts, a Blake Eller RBI single, a sac fly, a 2-run bomb by Jake Gaub, an unearned run via an error by the shortstop and a 3-run upper-deck jack by Steve Kraushaar.
UWO on the board with a Kannenberg run-scoring single in the 5th, a Brad Demmin 2-run triple in the 7th and a run via an error in the 7th.
GAME 1 Oshkosh 7, CSS 3 (7 innings): CSS kicked the ball around in the OF, and CSS starter Adian Kummet hit four batters. UWO scored four in the 2nd and three in the 4th. Radio guys said they saw Kummet "maybe at his worst." CSS's Blake Eller hit a 2-run HR in the 7th to break up the shutout. CSS plated another in the 7th after a hit, error and wild pitch.
UWO sophomore No. 2/3 Ryan Demmin gave UWO a huge outing. His line: 7 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, (5 or 6?) K, 1 HBP. Demmin sounded like he was out of gas but gutted it out in the 7th.
I could see St. Thomas break up their pitchers having their 1-4 pitch 3-4 innings apiece that way they can still come back against Bethel on 3 days rest. But Denning seems to like to test some of his other pitchers against good competition so probably a mixture.
I would still bet Oshkosh throws their better pitchers cuz they can still come back on 4 days rest against UWS (1-23 conference record, but will improve upon that this year)
I think games like these have big region implications (getting in and even seeding). A sweep for any of the teams could give them a higher seed, plus CSS needs at least a split to help for their bid.
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I watered it down. Lechnir basically said Oshkosh sucked against Luther, although Lechnir being blunt and honest is nothing new either. I meant "something to prove" as more specific than general cliche.
I have little doubt that CSS, UWO and StT will throw their bests at each other. There's no reason not to. In most ways, these games are more important than conference games, assuming all of those teams do what's expected during the conference season and reach about 30 wins.
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Considering the weather outside here in MN I don't think St. Thomas will have to worry about saving pitchers. There's about a .1% chance of an outdoor game on saturday vs. bethel.
Quote from: OshDude on March 24, 2008, 06:34:36 PM
St. Scholastica and Oshkosh split today at the Metrodome. Please read on, though. I did a little commentary to humor myself. Game 2 was truly bizarre. The last three innings were NOT baseball and took about 25 minutes to play, thanks to CSS working against the time limit. The 5th and 6th took about seven minutes apiece. At one point CSS had to get through 4 full innings in less than 35 minutes.
UWO wins Game 1, 10-3. CSS wins Game 2, 10-5. I'm very happy CSS got credit for dominating UWO, unlike a couple of weeks ago when time ran out on Loras.
EDIT: UWO's No. 5, Kyle Kannenberg, vs. CSS's No. 2, Peter Burg, in Game 2 (UWO saving No. 1 Jeremy Rubens and No. 2/3 Curt Hendricks for St. Thomas tomorrow).
Game 2: CSS 10, UWO 5 (7 innings). UWO's Kannenberg out; 3B/P Brock Wetenkamp out; frosh P Cory Reiland out; frosh P Ryan Kuepper out; soph P Travis Helland out; frosh P Evan Matson in for UWO. Wetenkamp, Reiland, Kuepper, Helland and Matson getting their first innings of the year.
White flag time for UWO [when it was 10-0 after 4], but time is a factor. Game needs to be completed by 4:45 (central) for it to count. UWO might get saved by the bell again ... weird game. CSS playing against the clock more than UWO at this point.
Tick tick tick ... less than 10 minutes to get in 1 inning, but CSS is blowing through these innings. The crazy pace the past three innings has put CSS in a good position get this one in. No 10-run rule. UWO, the home team, can control "tempo." CSS bunting with a 10-run lead to get the game over. CSS's Burg throwing two pitches between innings, and meatballs during the innings. He probably threw 60 straight 75-mph fastballs down the middle. UWO still playing baseball and making quick pitching changes, but this is brutal. Something needs to change in the Metrodome scheduling.
Hits are working against CSS? CSS trying for early groundouts at the plate? UWO commits an error in the 6th and CSS runs into a tag by 20 feet at second base? CSS getting singles and walking into tags at second? CSS not even jogging out ground balls? This isn't baseball. And it's a shame these two teams have to play this way. CSS deserves to win this game, and these two teams should have things decided on the field. Regional seedings are directly affected by a clock? That stinks.
The game ended at 4:44. Even though the last inning started, the game would have been called if one more UWO batter reached, the CSS coach said after the game. He said another thing working against CSS was UWO's coaches, who call all pitches from the dugout, thus taking longer. I'd say running into tags is a far worse offense against baseball than calling pitches from the bench, which UWO has done for years. I doubt CSS has made a habit of playing crap baseball for the last 3 1/2 innings of a seven-inning game. Lost a bit of respect for the CSS coach today with that comment. I'm actually surprised CSS batters were not hit in the butt a few times today. Either way, I think this one will have a lasting effect. Neither team will forget how the game was played today.
CSS has two RBI groundouts, a Blake Eller RBI single, a sac fly, a 2-run bomb by Jake Gaub, an unearned run via an error by the shortstop and a 3-run upper-deck jack by Steve Kraushaar.
UWO on the board with a Kannenberg run-scoring single in the 5th, a Brad Demmin 2-run triple in the 7th and a run via an error in the 7th.
GAME 1 Oshkosh 7, CSS 3 (7 innings): CSS kicked the ball around in the OF, and CSS starter Adian Kummet hit four batters. UWO scored four in the 2nd and three in the 4th. Radio guys said they saw Kummet "maybe at his worst." CSS's Blake Eller hit a 2-run HR in the 7th to break up the shutout. CSS plated another in the 7th after a hit, error and wild pitch.
UWO sophomore No. 2/3 Ryan Demmin gave UWO a huge outing. His line: 7 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, (5 or 6?) K, 1 HBP. Demmin sounded like he was out of gas but gutted it out in the 7th.
UWO dominated 1st game, Demmin looked good definately their #1 or 2. Kummet did not look good, just had no command, evident by 3 HBPs in one inning. UWO offense looked pretty good. Blake Eller HRs for CSS
CSS dominated 2nd game, Peter Burg goes to 5-0 and looked really good. Kraushaar and Gaub HR for CSS
My take on the game 2: UWO pitchers work a lot slower because the coaches call the pitches--its a fact! CSSs coach was not saying probably any more than the truth and did not say they purposely did and think you misunderstood Oshdude.
UWO makes 4 pitching changes, UWO does not try to make things go faster by eliminating throw downs to second, UWO throws over 38 times to first in the first game. The Dome takes a 30 minute break between games to rake the mound and home why? CSS hitting so many homeruns and not sprinting around the bases in 12 seconds instead of 15. Many factors played play a roll into why it went so long. If Im CSS i would do the same thing because you deserve the win, so if UWO is not helping in moving the game a long CSS only had one option and that was to force outs. UWO knows about not finishing games so they could definately have their pitchers work faster.
But to say CSSs coach is blaming UWO coaches for calling pitches is the reason is asinine! Im sure he was simply making an observation because its true watching UWO pitch takes forever. 1st inning of the 1st game took 30 minutes alone and no runs were scored. Every other team that plays at the dome can finish both games but UWO cant for some reason? But I still think the dome needs to add 15 minutes to each DH
UWO might not of thrown at CSS but their 2B gave a good shot to CSSs catcher on a tag out. Nothing ever came of it except the umpire saying something to the 2B.
Overall both teams happy with split!
Quote from: HarryDH on March 24, 2008, 09:01:50 PM
I could see St. Thomas break up their pitchers having their 1-4 pitch 3-4 innings apiece that way they can still come back against Bethel on 3 days rest. But Denning seems to like to test some of his other pitchers against good competition so probably a mixture.
I would still bet Oshkosh throws their better pitchers cuz they can still come back on 4 days rest against UWS (1-23 conference record, but will improve upon that this year)
I think games like these have big region implications (getting in and even seeding). A sweep for any of the teams could give them a higher seed, plus CSS needs at least a split to help for their bid.
Correct not after snow hit here in the cities I dont think games will happen for a bit and probably not in Wisconsin from what it sounds like
I watered it down. Lechnir basically said Oshkosh sucked against Luther, although Lechnir being blunt and honest is nothing new either. I meant "something to prove" as more specific than general cliche.
I have little doubt that CSS, UWO and StT will throw their bests at each other. There's no reason not to. In most ways, these games are more important than conference games, assuming all of those teams do what's expected during the conference season and reach about 30 wins.
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Considering the weather outside here in MN I don't think St. Thomas will have to worry about saving pitchers. There's about a .1% chance of an outdoor game on saturday vs. bethel.
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Quote from: BaseballFan on March 24, 2008, 10:07:15 PM
But to say CSSs coach is blaming UWO coaches for calling pitches is the reason is asinine! Im sure he was simply making an observation because its true watching UWO pitch takes forever. 1st inning of the 1st game took 30 minutes alone and no runs were scored. Every other team that plays at the dome can finish both games but UWO cant for some reason? But I still think the dome needs to add 15 minutes to each DH
UWO might not of thrown at CSS but their 2B gave a good shot to CSSs catcher on a tag out. Nothing ever came of it except the umpire saying something to the 2B.
UWO has been calling pitches, throwing over a lot, pitching out and making frequent pitching changes for years. Where have you been the past 15 years? Ryan Demmin is a slow worker. He very effectively has been since high school. I highly doubt the CSS guys have been purposely running into tags and giving away at-bats since high school.
I find it odd that you don't believe what the CSS coach said on the radio. He made a remark in deference to UWO, like they have a great program or something like that. Then he said he didn't think UWO did anything blatantly on purpose. He did say, like I wrote, that UWO made it hard to finish the game because UWO calls its pitches. He said it, and I wrote that that is weak because the reason the game would not have been completed is because of the time restriction, not because UWO was calling pitches.
UWO
should have thrown at CSS for bunting up 10 and playing the version of "baseball" it did the last three innings. The CSS radio guys thought a HBP was coming after the bunt. They even said
they would have plunked CSS if they were the UWO pitcher. The CSS guys never said UWO was stalling except for one time when Berg tied his shoes, and that was in jest. However, they did mention with great regularity how bush CSS was playing in order to get the game over.
UWO played how it always plays. It would have been easy for UWO to push past the time limit, but it played baseball. There was literally about one minute before the game would have been called. It's not hard to waste a minute on a baseball field.
CSS didn't play baseball to win. It's the game within a game. Like I wrote, CSS deserved to win based on the first 3 1/2 innings, and it did. I just have a slight problem with the way CSS went about it. I think there's a right way to win.
"Overall both teams happy with split!" What? Not a chance UWO is happy about a split.
"UWO might not of thrown at CSS but their 2B gave a good shot to CSSs catcher on a tag out." As well as he should have, if you're referencing one of the bush running-into-tags. In that case anything short of inflicting a concussion should have been legal.
"UWO makes 4 pitching changes ..." That's nothing new either. As far as that taking a long time, Lechnir didn't even make it out to the mound to yank Kanny. The other in-inning changes were done very quickly – the ball didn't even get out of the park before Lechnir was on his way to pull Reiland, the radio guys said.
I think Oshkosh played the game respectfully, like it
always does. Say what you will about anything else, but the game is sacrosanct to Lechnir-led teams. And I don't think I'm putting too fine a point on that. You'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger fan of the game, a finer student of the game and a man who respects the game more than Lechnir. The poster "cubs" would be able to give a player's perspective on that, but I've spoken with Lechnir enough and been around the team enough to know that it's true. He was man enough to give CSS a win, knowing one minute of BS (much like the kind CSS showed today) would have rendered the game moot. I can't say CSS did much to respect the sport in the last 3 1/2 innings today. But a win is a win, I guess.
You can have the last word.
Quote from: OshDude on March 24, 2008, 06:34:36 PM
EDIT: UWO's No. 5, Kyle Kannenberg, vs. CSS's No. 2, Peter Burg, in Game 2 (UWO saving No. 1 Jeremy Rubens and No. 2/3 Curt Hendricks for St. Thomas tomorrow).
UWO sophomore No. 2/3 Ryan Demmin gave UWO a huge outing. His line: 7 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, (5 or 6?) K, 1 HBP. Demmin sounded like he was out of gas but gutted it out in the 7th.
I would have to say that Reubens and Demmin are UWO's #1a and #1b.
My guess is that because of the time limit issue, Coach Lechnir didn't want to start one of those two in either of the nightcaps, when there would be a possibility of the games not being completed. With as important as these games are in terms of Pool C bids, why not have your top two guys throwing in games that you know will be completed?
"CSS didn't play baseball to win. It's the game within a game. Like I wrote, CSS deserved to win based on the first 3 1/2 innings, and it did. I just have a slight problem with the way CSS went about it. I think there's a right way to win."
The way I see it, CSS had proven to be the better team in this game. The way they (CSS) finished the game, is the only way they could have and still gotten credit for the win. Moral victories are not going to help in seedings and regional bids. Due to the rules and the time constraints of playing in the Metrodome, it left CSS with no choice but to finish the game in this fashion if it wanted credit for the win. I have no problem with it.
BaseballFan, were at the Dome for Oshkosh/St. Thomas today? You made it seem like you saw the CSS/UWO games. If you were there, anything stick out?
Quote from: cubs on March 25, 2008, 09:33:55 AM
Quote from: OshDude on March 24, 2008, 06:34:36 PM
EDIT: UWO's No. 5, Kyle Kannenberg, vs. CSS's No. 2, Peter Burg, in Game 2 (UWO saving No. 1 Jeremy Rubens and No. 2/3 Curt Hendricks for St. Thomas tomorrow).
UWO sophomore No. 2/3 Ryan Demmin gave UWO a huge outing. His line: 7 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, (5 or 6?) K, 1 HBP. Demmin sounded like he was out of gas but gutted it out in the 7th.
I would have to say that Reubens and Demmin are UWO's #1a and #1b.
My guess is that because of the time limit issue, Coach Lechnir didn't want to start one of those two in either of the nightcaps, when there would be a possibility of the games not being completed. With as important as these games are in terms of Pool C bids, why not have your top two guys throwing in games that you know will be completed?
And accordingly, Reubens throws Game #2 today..... Shows how much I know.... :-\
Regardless, I wonder if this wasn't more of a match-up thing today. Maybe UWO wanted to throw Reubens opposite of Robinson, who has now thrown back-to-back shutouts, so that they came out of the DH with no worse than a split? I'm not so sure about it, but that seems to be the most logical reason.
Anyone else have a different reasoning?
Here are the boxscores:
Game #1-
http://www.tommiesports.com/bsbl/stats/3-25GM1.HTM
Game #2-
http://www.tommiesports.com/bsbl/stats/3-25GM2.HTM
UWO is going to use Reubens a lot a like they used Gerl last year. Bring him in at key times of the game to kill a rally or close. Today is his first start of the year. According to Lechnir, Kennenberg is his 2 in his mind. But I thought from watching yesterday that the lefty that started game one was dominant. Not velocity wise, but the way he located and mixed his breaking ball in. Worked both sides of the plate very well. Oshkosh was in a tough spot with the way the schedule worked out. Having to play St. Scholastica and St. Thomas on back to back days is a tough series for any team. Especially the Titans who only returned 3 players that had thrown a single inning last season...
As for the CSS game 2, It means way more for them than it does for Oshkosh. UWO has the luxury of an auto-berth by winning the WIAC tourney. CSS is in a position to scrape as an at-large Pool B. They dont get an auto bid until 2010 from what I hear.
As for what was said on the radio, there was no intent from the Scholastica coach to say that the Titans were slowing the game down, anyone that has played against or coached against Coach Lechnir knows that it has been that way for YEARS.... He had no intent of slowing that game down and at one point yelled at his players to get there feet moving and get on the field. The two coaches get along quite well and I believe that Coach Lechnir was more angry about the way the Titans played at the beginning of that game then how it finished.
Quote from: OshDude on March 25, 2008, 03:24:39 PM
BaseballFan, were at the Dome for Oshkosh/St. Thomas today? You made it seem like you saw the CSS/UWO games. If you were there, anything stick out?
I was at the game yesterday but could not make it there today. From the boxscores it looks like UWO got another quality start and Lonnie Robinson is off to a hot start.
UWO has a great 1-2 punch in the rotation but not much after that. I think they hit the ball pretty well and are not bad on defense even tho Demmin did save a couple throws at 1st with some tough picks. UWO will be really good next with only one senior on their team.
St thomas appears to have the most pitching depth and have 4 or 5 solid guys. Their hitting is not keeping up though with their pitching and if they do pick up they will be tough to beat.
CSS has a solid 1-2 punch as well but have a really young rotation after that. CSS appears to be hitting the ball the best out of these 3 teams. CSS hit some monster homeruns yesterday and even managed 9 hits off Demmin as well.
So I guess they are pretty even right now and they are 2-2 against each other
Quote from: NOTSKINNY7 on March 25, 2008, 04:47:19 PM
UWO is going to use Reubens a lot a like they used Gerl last year. Bring him in at key times of the game to kill a rally or close. Today is his first start of the year. According to Lechnir, Kennenberg is his 2 in his mind. But I thought from watching yesterday that the lefty that started game one was dominant. Not velocity wise, but the way he located and mixed his breaking ball in. Worked both sides of the plate very well. Oshkosh was in a tough spot with the way the schedule worked out. Having to play St. Scholastica and St. Thomas on back to back days is a tough series for any team. Especially the Titans who only returned 3 players that had thrown a single inning last season...
As for the CSS game 2, It means way more for them than it does for Oshkosh. UWO has the luxury of an auto-berth by winning the WIAC tourney. CSS is in a position to scrape as an at-large Pool B. They dont get an auto bid until 2010 from what I hear.
As for what was said on the radio, there was no intent from the Scholastica coach to say that the Titans were slowing the game down, anyone that has played against or coached against Coach Lechnir knows that it has been that way for YEARS.... He had no intent of slowing that game down and at one point yelled at his players to get there feet moving and get on the field. The two coaches get along quite well and I believe that Coach Lechnir was more angry about the way the Titans played at the beginning of that game then how it finished.
Thanks for the insight +1. Welcome to the boards.
Gerl was so valuable in that role last year, but that was when Oshkosh had a more set rotation and Gerl could put out fires. I'd never claim to know more about baseball than Lechnir, but I assumed, incorrectly if you're right, that Rubens would slot into Roos's spot and Demmin/Hendricks would be the new Bretl/Bolton combo.
If there were a "new Gerl," I'd think Kannenberg would be that guy. I always thought Kanny had the stuff to get through a college lineup once. I never thought of him as a collegiate SP but more of a poor man's version of Kurt Yacko at Chapman. Then again, what do I know?
And I'm sure you're right about Lechnir being more displeased with his team's play than with the way CSS played the game. No doubts from me on that whatsoever.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 25, 2008, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 25, 2008, 03:24:39 PM
BaseballFan, were at the Dome for Oshkosh/St. Thomas today? You made it seem like you saw the CSS/UWO games. If you were there, anything stick out?
I was at the game yesterday but could not make it there today. From the boxscores it looks like UWO got another quality start and Lonnie Robinson is off to a hot start.
UWO has a great 1-2 punch in the rotation but not much after that. I think they hit the ball pretty well and are not bad on defense even tho Demmin did save a couple throws at 1st with some tough picks. UWO will be really good next with only one senior on their team.
St thomas appears to have the most pitching depth and have 4 or 5 solid guys. Their hitting is not keeping up though with their pitching and if they do pick up they will be tough to beat.
CSS has a solid 1-2 punch as well but have a really young rotation after that. CSS appears to be hitting the ball the best out of these 3 teams. CSS hit some monster homeruns yesterday and even managed 9 hits off Demmin as well.
So I guess they are pretty even right now and they are 2-2 against each other
Curt Hendricks is a very good pitcher. I think Oshkosh is solid from 1-3. Now the Titans need one or two more guys to claim roles and they should be OK.
The quality of opposing pitchers has been high (going off of the past, when I saw those guys throw), but I thought UWO would have produced more with the bats. They're young and it's very early, but I had the idea that Brad Demmin, Derek Leighton and Jason Fosler would be monsters and that Kannenberg, Wetenkamp, Nolan Fadness and Waupoose/Berger/Jenson/R. Demmin would be mini monsters. They still could be.
Quote from: OshDude on March 25, 2008, 05:38:45 PM
Curt Hendricks is a very good pitcher. I think Oshkosh is solid from 1-3. Now the Titans need one or two more guys to claim roles and they should be OK.
The quality of opposing pitchers has been high (going off of the past, when I saw those guys throw), but I thought UWO would have produced more with the bats. They're young and it's very early, but I had the idea that Brad Demmin, Derek Leighton and Jason Fosler would be monsters and that Kannenberg, Wetenkamp, Nolan Fadness and Waupoose/Berger/Jenson/R. Demmin would be mini monsters. They still could be.
Hendricks is there 3 but looks like he did not have a good outing against Thomas...Their lineup looked good, not great, but good.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 25, 2008, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 25, 2008, 05:38:45 PM
Curt Hendricks is a very good pitcher. I think Oshkosh is solid from 1-3. Now the Titans need one or two more guys to claim roles and they should be OK.
The quality of opposing pitchers has been high (going off of the past, when I saw those guys throw), but I thought UWO would have produced more with the bats. They're young and it's very early, but I had the idea that Brad Demmin, Derek Leighton and Jason Fosler would be monsters and that Kannenberg, Wetenkamp, Nolan Fadness and Waupoose/Berger/Jenson/R. Demmin would be mini monsters. They still could be.
Hendricks is there 3 but looks like he did not have a good outing against Thomas...Their lineup looked good, not great, but good.
That'll happen. You can substitute names for "he" and fill a notebook with quality pitchers who've had that happen.
In the WIAC this year there are going to be some huge numbers put up. I think the runs scored is going to be through the roof, because the top teams in the league don't have the depth on the mound that we have seen over the past few years. It is scary to think of what Oshkosh could put up Mickey Fadness weren't out for the season. It is a pretty good line up without him. As for Point, there trip south showed that they are going to put up a good number of runs. It will be interesting to see the numbers in Wisconsin Rapids during the WIAC tourney, because that place is a cracker jack box. Whitewater appears to be the team that wants to play tight and low scoring. Still see Point hitting there way to a WIAC crown..
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 26, 2008, 11:31:46 AM
In the WIAC this year there are going to be some huge numbers put up. I think the runs scored is going to be through the roof, because the top teams in the league don't have the depth on the mound that we have seen over the past few years. It is scary to think of what Oshkosh could put up Mickey Fadness weren't out for the season. It is a pretty good line up without him. As for Point, there trip south showed that they are going to put up a good number of runs. It will be interesting to see the numbers in Wisconsin Rapids during the WIAC tourney, because that place is a cracker jack box. Whitewater appears to be the team that wants to play tight and low scoring. Still see Point hitting there way to a WIAC crown..
There definately is not a lot of pitching depth in the WIAC and with the small fields there will be a lot of runs due to routine fly balls turning into homers. Will be nice for the whole region not having the region playoffs at Wisconsin Rapids
Does anyone know when the first regional rankings are released? I would be interested to see how the midwest would look to this point. Doesn't seem like anyone is willing to run away as the clear cut #1 seed. Not that it will matter come tourney time, because Ripon some how will be the 1 or 2.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 26, 2008, 12:13:10 PM
Does anyone know when the first regional rankings are released? I would be interested to see how the midwest would look to this point. Doesn't seem like anyone is willing to run away as the clear cut #1 seed. Not that it will matter come tourney time, because Ripon some how will be the 1 or 2.
Probably not until the next abca poll in 2 weeks if not longer to allow more in region games. I have put my new rankings below
1-5 in no order
CSS: 12-3 got splits against St Thomas, Oshkosh, Alvernia doing what they need to do to get a bid. Need to at least go 3-1 against GA and STO or 2-2 with no conference losses
St thomas: 11-5 splits against CSS, UWO, STP--will win MIAC
UWO: 5-2 splits against CSS, STT
STP: 6-5 have played tough teams and 5 losses were close losses to good teams. Even roughed up one of the best pitchers in the country against Wooster
UWW: 7-2 havent come up with a big sweep yet but none the less still playing well
6-8
Ripon 8-1 only good team they played was RPI and were killed by them--so as Bronko7 said they will get a #1 seed cuz the NCAA loves them
St Olaf: 9-5
St Norbert: 6-3
Looks right now if it was a 6 team region (but can easily change with a month and half left and conference tourney):
CSS, STT, UWO, STP, UWW, Ripon--3 from WIAC, 1 from MIAC, UMAC, MWC
I agree with bronko...the regional tournament should be at a longer field. Who ever hits the most fly balls usually will win. It just doesnt feel like baseball when you watch it
Make sure you use only in-region records when doing Midwest Region rankings because wins over Alvernia and good showings against Wooster are only moral victories, which mean next to nothing in terms of the postseason.
Here are the in-region records of contending MW teams (and then some, maybe). I included eight MIAC teams and all WIAC teams to start the year. I also have St. Norbert, Ripon and St. Scholastica. If anyone thinks I should add a team, let me know. I'll update this and subtract teams periodically. Let me know if I made a mistake.
Ranked by winning percentage (through 3/25), and I know this is not the order of Midwest teams. It's just easiest this way. Midwest series against Top 18 in parentheses.
1. Whitewater 6-2 (Olaf 1-1, Beth 2-0, Augs 1-1)
Stevens Point 3-1 (StT 1-1)
Superior 3-1
Moorhead 3-1 (LAX 2-0)
5. Oshkosh 5-2 (CSS 1-1, StT 1-1, Beth 2-0)
6. St. Scholastica 4-2 (StT 1-1, UWO 1-1)
Gustavus 4-2 (Stout 1-1)
St. Olaf 4-2 (WW 1-1)
9. St. John's 5-3 (LAX 0-2, Stout 0-1)
10. La Crosse 6-4 (Augs 2-0, Ham 0-2, John's 2-0, Moor 0-2)
11. Hamline 8-6 (LAX 2-0)
12. Platteville 4-4
St. Thomas 3-3 (CSS 1-1, Point 1-1, UWO 1-1)
St. Norbert 3-3
15. Stout 4-5 (Ham 0-2, Gusty 1-1, Augs 1-1, John's 1-0)
16. Augsburg 4-6 (LAX 0-2, WW 1-1, Stout 1-1)
17. Bethel 3-5 (UWO 0-2, WW 0-2)
18. Ripon 0-0
Quote from: OshDude on March 26, 2008, 06:38:37 PM
Make sure you use only in-region records when doing Midwest Region rankings because wins over Alvernia and good showings against Wooster are only moral victories, which mean next to nothing in terms of the postseason.
Here are the in-region records of contending MW teams (and then some, maybe). I included eight MIAC teams and all WIAC teams to start the year. I also have St. Norbert, Ripon and St. Scholastica. If anyone thinks I should add a team, let me know. I'll update this and subtract teams periodically. Let me know if I made a mistake.
Ranked by winning percentage (through 3/25), and I know this is not the order of Midwest teams. It's just easiest this way. Midwest series against Top 18 in parentheses.
1. Whitewater 6-2 (Olaf 1-1, Beth 2-0, Augs 1-1)
Stevens Point 3-1 (StT 1-1)
Superior 3-1
Moorhead 3-1 (LAX 2-0)
5. Oshkosh 5-2 (CSS 1-1, StT 1-1, Beth 2-0)
6. St. Scholastica 4-2 (StT 1-1, UWO 1-1)
Gustavus 4-2 (Stout 1-1)
St. Olaf 4-2 (WW 1-1)
9. St. John's 5-3 (LAX 0-2, Stout 0-1)
10. La Crosse 6-4 (Augs 2-0, Ham 0-2, John's 2-0, Moor 0-2)
11. Hamline 8-6 (LAX 2-0)
12. Platteville 4-4
St. Thomas 3-3 (CSS 1-1, Point 1-1, UWO 1-1)
St. Norbert 3-3
15. Stout 4-5 (Ham 0-2, Gusty 1-1, Augs 1-1, John's 1-0)
16. Augsburg 4-6 (LAX 0-2, WW 1-1, Stout 1-1)
17. Bethel 3-5 (UWO 0-2, WW 0-2)
18. Ripon 0-0
I agree you need to look at in-region games, but as of right now you cant because teams havent played many of them and most of their games are on spring break trips. I disagree that wins over Alvernia and good showings against Wooster are moral victories. Because if the selection committee only looked at in region then their would be no point into playing those other games and its why they use the point system based on in region and team records. In region are the most important but not the whole story. A loss against a good team will give you more points than a loss against a bad team. Sometimes a loss against a good team can be worth more than a win over a bad team. I would guess the committee looks at how teams do against other good teams (in region and out of region)
My rankings might change some once teams get into their conference schedules whenever that may be.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 26, 2008, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 26, 2008, 06:38:37 PM
Make sure you use only in-region records when doing Midwest Region rankings because wins over Alvernia and good showings against Wooster are only moral victories, which mean next to nothing in terms of the postseason.
Here are the in-region records of contending MW teams (and then some, maybe). I included eight MIAC teams and all WIAC teams to start the year. I also have St. Norbert, Ripon and St. Scholastica. If anyone thinks I should add a team, let me know. I'll update this and subtract teams periodically. Let me know if I made a mistake.
Ranked by winning percentage (through 3/25), and I know this is not the order of Midwest teams. It's just easiest this way. Midwest series against Top 18 in parentheses.
1. Whitewater 6-2 (Olaf 1-1, Beth 2-0, Augs 1-1)
Stevens Point 3-1 (StT 1-1)
Superior 3-1
Moorhead 3-1 (LAX 2-0)
5. Oshkosh 5-2 (CSS 1-1, StT 1-1, Beth 2-0)
6. St. Scholastica 4-2 (StT 1-1, UWO 1-1)
Gustavus 4-2 (Stout 1-1)
St. Olaf 4-2 (WW 1-1)
9. St. John's 5-3 (LAX 0-2, Stout 0-1)
10. La Crosse 6-4 (Augs 2-0, Ham 0-2, John's 2-0, Moor 0-2)
11. Hamline 8-6 (LAX 2-0)
12. Platteville 4-4
St. Thomas 3-3 (CSS 1-1, Point 1-1, UWO 1-1)
St. Norbert 3-3
15. Stout 4-5 (Ham 0-2, Gusty 1-1, Augs 1-1, John's 1-0)
16. Augsburg 4-6 (LAX 0-2, WW 1-1, Stout 1-1)
17. Bethel 3-5 (UWO 0-2, WW 0-2)
18. Ripon 0-0
I agree you need to look at in-region games, but as of right now you cant because teams havent played many of them and most of their games are on spring break trips. I disagree that wins over Alvernia and good showings against Wooster are moral victories. Because if the selection committee only looked at in region then their would be no point into playing those other games and its why they use the point system based on in region and team records. In region are the most important but not the whole story. A loss against a good team will give you more points than a loss against a bad team. Sometimes a loss against a good team can be worth more than a win over a bad team. I would guess the committee looks at how teams do against other good teams (in region and out of region)
My rankings might change some once teams get into their conference schedules whenever that may be.
Don't know what else to write. In-region games
are pretty much the only important games. The formula used last season that I think you're referencing took
only in-region games into account.
Opponent's opponents winning percentage will factor in. Beyond that, which is nearly impossible to calculate on your own, there isn't much sense in talking about a Wooster/Stevens Point game in terms of postseason bids. Keep updating your rankings, but please recognize the in-region records when you do.
But you're right. The out-of-region games do count for something. It's just that those are under the
secondary criteria. Nonregional games are barometers and good prep for teams, but no, they don't mean much beyond that.
Just because the games are played on spring trips, it doesn't mean they don't count as in-region games. Of course there are not yet many in-region games played. That's why I have 18 teams ranked. Then again, the season is about 15% to 20% complete. Seems like a good time to start sorting it out.
Of course in region games are most important just stating that its important to recognize the entire schedule. But right now it cant be based on overall in region records either due to some teams playing some soft teams. That is why i have based mine so far on overall performance because it should correlate to the rest of the season.
Wisconsin teams going to be able to play this weekend?
This is the part of D3Baseball that has always confused and frustrated me, in region rankings/record. Couldn't WIAC and MIAC teams just load up their sched with UMAC opponents to pump up their in region record?
Osh, can you explain GAC's 4-2 record to me? Elmhurst and Luther are in the Central region, aren't they?
"Wisconsin teams going to be able to play this weekend?"
UWW will play...Sat. in the dome vs. St. Cloud State according to their schedule.
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 26, 2008, 09:11:54 PM
This is the part of D3Baseball that has always confused and frustrated me, in region rankings/record. Couldn't WIAC and MIAC teams just load up their sched with UMAC opponents to pump up their in region record?
Osh, can you explain GAC's 4-2 record to me? Elmhurst and Luther are in the Central region, aren't they?
The NCAA uses a value system based on a teams record. Therefore, playing better teams gets you more points if you win. Even if you lose to a team with a good record you get more points than if you lose to a bad team. So yes MIAC and WIAC could stack their schedule with UMAC teams but if you lose to the teams that have poor records then it hurts you a lot and does not help if you win.
For example, if you beat a team with a win percentage of over .750 you get more points than a team with a .500 record and subsequently more points than a team with a record of .400.
If you lose to a team that has a win percentage over .750 you might get 8 points. If you beat a team with a record of like .400 you might only get like 10. There is a scale they use that I think goes up to like 16 points. Therefore, CSS is not helped by their conference evident by their seeds the last two years #4 and #6. But Northwestern and Bethany Lutheran usually have decent records so the entire conference is not terrible to common belief
That help?
Yes any of the teams in the Iowa conference are in the Central region so they dont count as midwest region games unless they have changed it but highly doubtful to count games from the Central region in the Midwest region
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 26, 2008, 09:11:54 PM
This is the part of D3Baseball that has always confused and frustrated me, in region rankings/record. Couldn't WIAC and MIAC teams just load up their sched with UMAC opponents to pump up their in region record?
Osh, can you explain GAC's 4-2 record to me? Elmhurst and Luther are in the Central region, aren't they?
Yes, Elmhurst and Luther are Central teams. But you have to look at it in terms of administrative regions as well. Iowa, Illinois and Minnesota are all in the same administrative region, so those games are in-region.
Heck, even California is in the same admin region as Minnesota. Basically, anything west and including Illinois and Wisconsin would be considered an in-region game for GAC. Chapman, Linfield, Texas-Tyler, Augustana ... it isn't exactly intuitive, but all those teams are in GAC's region when calculating regional games.
There's a reason why the top teams from the East, Mideast, Mid-Atlantic and so on play the top teams from the west during spring trips. You don't often see a St. Thomas going out to play Chapman. What you
do often see is Wheaton (Mass.), New Jersey, Marietta and Kean matching up with the big boys out west because there's no downside for any of those teams.
This goes for everyone – if you did not know this already – because based on the posts no one seems to know what counts as in-region. Please follow this link and read #5 (and the rest, too). It will clear up most any question you may have about in-region games.
http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament (http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament)
If you still have questions after reading that, let me know. I don't claim to know everything about it, but I'm a decent place to start.
Post your own regional rankings. That stuff is fun to debate. But please use regional, and not overall, records as your basis.
But if you don't mind, please allow me to do the regional records like I have started. If you want to do it too, that's fine. Later in the season I will calculate the top teams' QOWi like I did late last season.
BTW, I think Ripon's schedule will get in the way of a #1 or #2 seed this year. The Hawks will have to steal a game from Stevens Point, sweep Marian and win the Norbert series to even get a Pool C sniff (assuming Ripon is not Pool A). That's a lot to ask. The no-pressure, nonregional spring schedule puts a ton of importance on just a few games. Lawrence, Carroll, Beloit and Lakeland are all downside games. The Augie cancellation hurt as well. If Ripon doesn't win the MWC tournament, I doubt it makes regionals. Bold statement, but I think that's right.
To make it an even Top 20, I added two more MWC teams – Grinnell and Illinois College.
Ranked by winning percentage (through 3/25), and I know this is not the order of Midwest teams. It's just easiest this way. Midwest series against Top 20 in parentheses.
1. Whitewater 6-2 (Olaf 1-1, Beth 2-0, Augs 1-1)
Stevens Point 3-1 (StT 1-1)
Superior 3-1 (Grinn 1-1)
Moorhead 3-1 (LAX 2-0)
5. Oshkosh 5-2 (CSS 1-1, StT 1-1, Beth 2-0)
6. Grinnell 8-3 (Olaf 0-2, Sup 1-1)
7. St. Scholastica 4-2 (StT 1-1, UWO 1-1)
Gustavus 4-2 (Stout 1-1)
St. Olaf 4-2 (WW 1-1, Grinn 2-0)
10. St. John's 5-3 (LAX 0-2, Stout 0-1)
11. La Crosse 6-4 (Augs 2-0, Ham 0-2, John's 2-0, Moor 0-2)
12. Hamline 8-6 (LAX 2-0)
Illinois College 4-3
14. Platteville 4-4
St. Thomas 3-3 (CSS 1-1, Point 1-1, UWO 1-1)
St. Norbert 3-3
17. Stout 4-5 (Ham 0-2, Gusty 1-1, Augs 1-1, John's 1-0)
18. Augsburg 4-6 (LAX 0-2, WW 1-1, Stout 1-1)
19. Bethel 3-5 (UWO 0-2, WW 0-2)
20. Ripon 0-0
I'm surprised nobody has made any mention of Platteville's Wednesday victory over Division 1 Northern Iowa.
Take a look at the D3 Baseball front page for further details.
Thats one of the things that frustrates me: we've got the MIAC, WIAC, MWC, and UMAC in the Midwest Region on the boards and the SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, and NWC in the West Region. Each has their own regional playoff. But in region records count games against teams from all these conferences (and others like IIAC, NATHC, CCIW because they are in Region 4 [Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming]). Its not a very user friendly system.
And this isn't a rant against D3Baseball.com, I'm ubergrateful it exists. And thanks for the clarification Osh & Fan.
What some don't understand about the UMAC is that until this year only two teams in the conference counted as in region DIII's. So that is part of the reason St. Scholastica has to go out and try to play as many of the upper MIAC teams as it can get scheduled. I think that the UMAC's bottom three compares equally poor with that of the MIAC, the Tommies or Oles are not going to lose to Mac or Carl. But those are in region wins that count for them. To this point CSS playing Crown and MLC can only hurt them by losing, but there in the conference so they have to play. To thoughts about just scheduling lower end UMAC teams, its not a half bad idea. But the way that CSS has gone about there scheduling the past few years with playing the top half MIAC's shows that they are willing to do what it takes to get to the tourney. I believe that CSS would jump at the chance to be in the MIAC, and have tried to in the past, being turned down for such things as facilities. The other part is that there other sports would have a lot of catching up to do if that ever did happen. Overall the fact remains that CSS is in a tough position without the auto bid.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 27, 2008, 10:12:15 AM
What some don't understand about the UMAC is that until this year only two teams in the conference counted as in region DIII's. So that is part of the reason St. Scholastica has to go out and try to play as many of the upper MIAC teams as it can get scheduled. I think that the UMAC's bottom three compares equally poor with that of the MIAC, the Tommies or Oles are not going to lose to Mac or Carl. But those are in region wins that count for them. To this point CSS playing Crown and MLC can only hurt them by losing, but there in the conference so they have to play. To thoughts about just scheduling lower end UMAC teams, its not a half bad idea. But the way that CSS has gone about there scheduling the past few years with playing the top half MIAC's shows that they are willing to do what it takes to get to the tourney. I believe that CSS would jump at the chance to be in the MIAC, and have tried to in the past, being turned down for such things as facilities. The other part is that there other sports would have a lot of catching up to do if that ever did happen. Overall the fact remains that CSS is in a tough position without the auto bid.
CSS helped itself by adding football. I would think CSS becomes more attractive to other conferences because of it, if CSS does indeed want to move. If the football program can come close to matching the baseball team's success it would make sense for everyone involved for CSS to leave the UMAC and join the MIAC. Once the provisional tag is lifted from the football team, there could be a move. Again, if a move is what CSS really wants, and there are a lot of ifs. I know the red tape is ridiculous in the WIAC. Don't know if the MIAC is easier to join than the WIAC, but it would almost have to be.
And you're right, the CSS baseball team is actually hurt by how bad its conference is. Those wins against below-.500 and below-.333 teams are nothing more than pushes. Same goes for Thomas/Olaf against the MIAC bottom. Those games are scarier than Olaf vs. Thomas or CSS vs. Thomas because the loser of the best team vs. best team doesn't lose all that much. If CSS were to lose a couple of those bad games, they come back to the Pool B pack. That said, two Pool B baseball bids are virtual locks every year: Chapman and CSS. But there's plenty of competition from the independents and especially from the new provo conferences that seemed to pop up in the past few years.
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 27, 2008, 09:43:47 AM
Thats one of the things that frustrates me: we've got the MIAC, WIAC, MWC, and UMAC in the Midwest Region on the boards and the SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, and NWC in the West Region. Each has their own regional playoff. But in region records count games against teams from all these conferences (and others like IIAC, NATHC, CCIW because they are in Region 4 [Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming]). Its not a very user friendly system.
And this isn't a rant against D3Baseball.com, I'm ubergrateful it exists. And thanks for the clarification Osh & Fan.
Probably not user-friendly, but I think it helps out the teams west of the Mississippi, where there are not many D3 schools in relative terms. Nebraska Wesleyan (basketball) and the Missouri and Iowa schools wouldn't be on equal footing with many eastern teams if there weren't another level qualifying what counts as regional games.
I also think it's easier when you forget what you think in-region games should be and just think about it terms of geography and the number of teams in a region. I know that helped me understand it.
Be thankful we don't live in many other sports regions, where they often have to use specific mapping software to see which games are within 200 miles, thus in-region. We sometimes have to do that, but reading posts on other boards makes me happy I'm in one of the west-of-the-Mississippi (ish ... again, thinking more of admin regions and lumping WI and IL "west" of the river) conferences. People literally take a week debating which teams should be counted as in-region. And it's not idiots like me, either. Pat Coleman and some other brainy folks go back and forth over something as silly (and vitally important) as 2 miles. It can get crazy out east and down south. Wisconsin and Illinois teams sometimes have to get out the maps, but teams west of that rarely have a problem, except for regional tournament travel and host duties.
I've heard many times that CSS has inquired about joining the MIAC and is rebuffed. Here are three reasons I can think of why:
Time- Duluth is 2-2.5 hours north of the TC, where 1/2 the MIAC is located. The other half of the schools are going to be even further away. The MIAC already has Concordia, which is 3 hours from the closest opponent, so why add another long trip.
Sports- Not sure how much the MIAC goes off this when looking at applicants, but CSS doesn't have mens/womens golf or swimming-diving, or womens hockey. The most sports any MIAC institute doesn't participate in is 2 (carleton, mens/womens hockey).
No Need- CSS is good at baseball, and ok at mens hockey, but as far as I can tell their other sports aren't very noteworthy. Their academics appear good, but probably middle of the pack in the MIAC. So why would the MIAC need another institute that stands out only in baseball?
My thinking on CSS moving to the MIAC is why would they? When the UMAC gets their automatic bid CSS has a good chance to the NCAA playoffs going in many sports--Baseball, Tennis, basketball some years, softball (made the NCAA like 2 or 3 straight years couple years ago). The baseball team will guarantee themselves a bid to the NCAA tourney for a long time so I dont think they need to move to the MIAC since they play the best teams from there anyways.
Im surprised the MIAC doesnt want CSS in to make it a solid 14 teams then they could make 2 divisions if necessary. Two and half hours is not that far so not a valid reason for the MIAC. CSS continue to add sports Football and Nordic Skiing. Rumors of golf have been mentioned but who knows
Rumors say that CSS wont go to the MIAC to join and will only join the MIAC if they come to them. Plus CSS might not leave the UMAC anyways. Again just rumors
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 27, 2008, 10:12:15 AM
What some don't understand about the UMAC is that until this year only two teams in the conference counted as in region DIII's. So that is part of the reason St. Scholastica has to go out and try to play as many of the upper MIAC teams as it can get scheduled. I think that the UMAC's bottom three compares equally poor with that of the MIAC, the Tommies or Oles are not going to lose to Mac or Carl. But those are in region wins that count for them. To this point CSS playing Crown and MLC can only hurt them by losing, but there in the conference so they have to play. To thoughts about just scheduling lower end UMAC teams, its not a half bad idea. But the way that CSS has gone about there scheduling the past few years with playing the top half MIAC's shows that they are willing to do what it takes to get to the tourney. I believe that CSS would jump at the chance to be in the MIAC, and have tried to in the past, being turned down for such things as facilities. The other part is that there other sports would have a lot of catching up to do if that ever did happen. Overall the fact remains that CSS is in a tough position without the auto bid.
CSS is really hurt by their conference because usually 5 of their 7 opponents in the conference end up with losing records with some really bad records too. Therefore, the reasoning why they play UWO (2), STT (3), STO (2), GA (2), Buena Vista (2). CSS has been pretty much a lock as a Pool B bid even though last year they were the 6th seed and they have made the region tourney 3 straight years only STP and STT have done that in the region. Its a shame the UMAC cannot get better overall for baseball.
Coach Baggs told his team earlier this year that they need to really do well in their in-region matchups with MIAC and WIAC teams because of some ugly losses in the NCAA Regionals recently. He seemed worried about a CSS getting a bid.
Let's assume the MIAC wanted 14 teams so they could do 2 divisions of 7. For the girls that would require 3 more schools to join, 4 for the guys. If CSS were to join that would make it 2 and 3 more needed. Who else would the MIAC go after? Some UMAC teams?
CSS wins about half the confs titles every year and none of the schools is known for academics, does it really make sense to add 3 below avg colleges just so you can have 2 divisions in some sports?
I do agree it makes little/no sense for CSS to leave the UMAC when they can win the conf in most sports and get auto bids. They're the premiere school in the conf, why leave.
Fan, you mentioned basketball, tennis, and softball for CSS. Heres are my thoughts on how they'd fare:
Mens Bball: Middle of the pack (they lost to HU, Car, Aug last year). The MIAC always has at least 1 team ranked in the top25 and occassionally have teams do very well (GAC made the championship game a few years ago)
Womens Bball: Lower half. Not one of CSS's best sports and the MIAC has gotten multiple at large bids to the national tournament the past few years.
Mens Tennis: Middle of the pack (this year they've beaten the bad MIAC teams and lost to the good teams). And lets not forget that GAC has won the conf (mens and womens) for the 25 years in a row, GACs mens program is the best DIII program in the nation.
Womens Tennis: Upper Middle of the pack.
Softball: Middle of the pack. USt, GAC, HU, SMU are pretty good at the top of the MIAC and CSS is 0-11 so far this year.
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 27, 2008, 08:24:17 PM
Coach Baggs told his team earlier this year that they need to really do well in their in-region matchups with MIAC and WIAC teams because of some ugly losses in the NCAA Regionals recently. He seemed worried about a CSS getting a bid.
Let's assume the MIAC wanted 14 teams so they could do 2 divisions of 7. For the girls that would require 3 more schools to join, 4 for the guys. If CSS were to join that would make it 2 and 3 more needed. Who else would the MIAC go after? Some UMAC teams?
CSS wins about half the confs titles every year and none of the schools is known for academics, does it really make sense to add 3 below avg colleges just so you can have 2 divisions in some sports?
I do agree it makes little/no sense for CSS to leave the UMAC when they can win the conf in most sports and get auto bids. They're the premiere school in the conf, why leave.
Fan, you mentioned basketball, tennis, and softball for CSS. Heres are my thoughts on how they'd fare:
Mens Bball: Middle of the pack (they lost to HU, Car, Aug last year). The MIAC always has at least 1 team ranked in the top25 and occassionally have teams do very well (GAC made the championship game a few years ago)
Womens Bball: Lower half. Not one of CSS's best sports and the MIAC has gotten multiple at large bids to the national tournament the past few years.
Mens Tennis: Middle of the pack (this year they've beaten the bad MIAC teams and lost to the good teams). And lets not forget that GAC has won the conf (mens and womens) for the 25 years in a row, GACs mens program is the best DIII program in the nation.
Womens Tennis: Upper Middle of the pack.
Softball: Middle of the pack. USt, GAC, HU, SMU are pretty good at the top of the MIAC and CSS is 0-11 so far this year.
Coach Baggs is right on, in the last 3 years CSS has gone 2-6 (3 of those losses to the best pitcher in the country interesting).
2006: Beat STP, lost to UWW (Lost to Rheinard), lost to STP (Zimmerman. No one expected CSS to beat STP that year, except CSS. UWW were national champs, STP might of been the 2nd best team in the country that year
2007: Beat STP (Zimmerman), lose to Ripon, lose to St Thomas
2008: Lose to STP (Zimmerman), lose to Oshkosh
2-6 record in the playoffs probably does not make the NCAA happy so this could be the hardest year for CSS to get in but as long they go 3-1 against GA and Olaf they will probably make it and a win against ST. Thomas will probably make them a lock. I think it helps CSS that besides STT no one else in the MIAC is putting together a huge year so far.
Well Im not an expert on how many MIAC teams are in each sport but here is what Im getting at, for baseball they can make a north and south. 6 most northern school and 6 most southern schools. Play 21 conference games (15 games in own division, 6 other division) Top 2 division teams move to playoffs. Just an example. Football would have 10 teams a nice even number.
Your examples of how CSS would do in the other sports is the reason why they wont leave the UMAC. Those teams might do fine in the UMAC but they would not touch the top 3 teams in the MIAC.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 27, 2008, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 27, 2008, 08:24:17 PM
Coach Baggs told his team earlier this year that they need to really do well in their in-region matchups with MIAC and WIAC teams because of some ugly losses in the NCAA Regionals recently. He seemed worried about a CSS getting a bid.
Let's assume the MIAC wanted 14 teams so they could do 2 divisions of 7. For the girls that would require 3 more schools to join, 4 for the guys. If CSS were to join that would make it 2 and 3 more needed. Who else would the MIAC go after? Some UMAC teams?
CSS wins about half the confs titles every year and none of the schools is known for academics, does it really make sense to add 3 below avg colleges just so you can have 2 divisions in some sports?
I do agree it makes little/no sense for CSS to leave the UMAC when they can win the conf in most sports and get auto bids. They're the premiere school in the conf, why leave.
Fan, you mentioned basketball, tennis, and softball for CSS. Heres are my thoughts on how they'd fare:
Mens Bball: Middle of the pack (they lost to HU, Car, Aug last year). The MIAC always has at least 1 team ranked in the top25 and occassionally have teams do very well (GAC made the championship game a few years ago)
Womens Bball: Lower half. Not one of CSS's best sports and the MIAC has gotten multiple at large bids to the national tournament the past few years.
Mens Tennis: Middle of the pack (this year they've beaten the bad MIAC teams and lost to the good teams). And lets not forget that GAC has won the conf (mens and womens) for the 25 years in a row, GACs mens program is the best DIII program in the nation.
Womens Tennis: Upper Middle of the pack.
Softball: Middle of the pack. USt, GAC, HU, SMU are pretty good at the top of the MIAC and CSS is 0-11 so far this year.
Coach Baggs is right on, in the last 3 years CSS has gone 2-6 (3 of those losses to the best pitcher in the country interesting).
2006: Beat STP, lost to UWW (Lost to Rheinard), lost to STP (Zimmerman. No one expected CSS to beat STP that year, except CSS. UWW were national champs, STP might of been the 2nd best team in the country that year
2007: Beat STP (Zimmerman), lose to Ripon, lose to St Thomas
2008: Lose to STP (Zimmerman), lose to Oshkosh
2-6 record in the playoffs probably does not make the NCAA happy so this could be the hardest year for CSS to get in but as long they go 3-1 against GA and Olaf they will probably make it and a win against ST. Thomas will probably make them a lock. I think it helps CSS that besides STT no one else in the MIAC is putting together a huge year so far.
Well Im not an expert on how many MIAC teams are in each sport but here is what Im getting at, for baseball they can make a north and south. 6 most northern school and 6 most southern schools. Play 21 conference games (15 games in own division, 6 other division) Top 2 division teams move to playoffs. Just an example. Football would have 10 teams a nice even number.
Your examples of how CSS would do in the other sports is the reason why they wont leave the UMAC. Those teams might do fine in the UMAC but they would not touch the top 3 teams in the MIAC.
CSS-GAC has been ppd, don't know if they have a date yet. Agreed on the point about CSS being helped by no other MIAC team establishing itself as top tier except for USt.
In most MIAC sports you're looking at 10-12 teams. I don't know if there are rulings stipulating a certain number of teams must be in the conf to have 2 divisions.
I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense for either side, CSS or the MIAC. If you take baseball out of the equation its a total no brainer.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 27, 2008, 09:24:13 PM
2-6 record in the playoffs probably does not make the NCAA happy so this could be the hardest year for CSS to get in but as long they go 3-1 against GA and Olaf they will probably make it and a win against ST. Thomas will probably make them a lock.
Past results don't matter. CSS is fine. Pencil the Saints in unless they lose about three conference games. Even then they might be OK. If CSS were a Pool C team, I wouldn't be close to a verdict yet. As a Pool B prospect, I like CSS's chances. A lot.
CSS already has a nice Pool B profile base. The Saints can only play themselves out the rest of the way.
The baseball team is the best thing that CSS has to offer the MIAC. That being said, I think that there other sports are middle of the pack and in some cases lower. But the fact that the school is adding golf programs, wrestling and womens hockey, i think they are gearing up to make a run to the MIAC. What is said about the academics, come on. Other than MAC and CARL its on par with any other school in the league. It just doesn't make any sense to for them to want to leave the UMAC but they have tried so hard in the past to get into the MIAC that I see them trying to again in the next 5 years.
As for their baseball team, they control their own destiny. They need to take care of the remaining teams they face from the MIAC (StO and StT). A split with the Oles and a win over the Tommies and they're in, barring a collapse in the conference. But they are going to have some work to do.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 28, 2008, 09:13:34 AM
The baseball team is the best thing that CSS has to offer the MIAC. That being said, I think that there other sports are middle of the pack and in some cases lower. But the fact that the school is adding golf programs, wrestling and womens hockey, i think they are gearing up to make a run to the MIAC. What is said about the academics, come on. Other than MAC and CARL its on par with any other school in the league. It just doesn't make any sense to for them to want to leave the UMAC but they have tried so hard in the past to get into the MIAC that I see them trying to again in the next 5 years.
As for their baseball team, they control their own destiny. They need to take care of the remaining teams they face from the MIAC (StO and StT). A split with the Oles and a win over the Tommies and they're in, barring a collapse in the conference. But they are going to have some work to do.
Agree agree agree...CSS is right with the other private schools in minnesota on academics--heavy on the sciences. They continue to expand their sports programs, golf and wrestling have been discussed a lot not sure if they have decided upon those yet and womens hockey has a club team so could be easy to turn official. Plus they have expanded substantially on campus facilities to help their sports programs.
All Im saying is everyone has a memory and people can say it doesnt matter they go by straight criteria. Well thats partially BS because what happens when 2 teams are equal, someone has to make a decision based on an opinion. But as long as CSS takes care of business with their 5 games against the MIAC and dont screw up the UMAC then they are fine.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 28, 2008, 09:13:34 AM
The baseball team is the best thing that CSS has to offer the MIAC. That being said, I think that there other sports are middle of the pack and in some cases lower. But the fact that the school is adding golf programs, wrestling and womens hockey, i think they are gearing up to make a run to the MIAC. What is said about the academics, come on. Other than MAC and CARL its on par with any other school in the league. It just doesn't make any sense to for them to want to leave the UMAC but they have tried so hard in the past to get into the MIAC that I see them trying to again in the next 5 years.
As for their baseball team, they control their own destiny. They need to take care of the remaining teams they face from the MIAC (StO and StT). A split with the Oles and a win over the Tommies and they're in, barring a collapse in the conference. But they are going to have some work to do.
Exactly my point regarding academics, CSS isn't MAC or CAR in terms of academics, its like an average MIAC school. So if its academics are average and its sports are average, why would the MIAC add it? It wouldn't be upgrading the conference in any way except baseball.
Ranked by Midwest Region winning percentage (through 3/30). Midwest series against Top 20 in parentheses. Let me know if I made mistakes. Edit: I'll add two more features.
(This may turn into a weekly blog, but I'll put it here for now)
1. Whitewater 6-2 (Olaf 1-1, Beth 2-0, Augs 1-1)
Moorhead 3-1 (LAX 2-0)
3. Oshkosh 8-3 (CSS 1-1, StT 1-1, Beth 2-0, Sup 3-1)
4. Grinnell 9-4 (Olaf 0-2, Sup 1-1)
5. Platteville 8-4 (Stout 3-1)
Illinois College 6-3
Stevens Point 4-2 (StT 1-1, LAX 1-1)
St. Scholastica 4-2 (StT 1-1, UWO 1-1)
St. Olaf 4-2 (WW 1-1, Grinn 2-0)
Gustavus 4-2 (Stout 1-1)
11. Hamline 10-6 (LAX 2-0)
12. Superior 6-4 (Grinn 1-1, John's 2-0, UWO 1-3)
13. La Crosse 7-5 (Augs 2-0, Ham 0-2, John's 2-0, Moor 0-2, Point 1-1)
14. Augsburg 6-6 (LAX 0-2, WW 1-1, Stout 1-1)
St. John's 5-5 (LAX 0-2, Stout 0-1, Sup 0-2)
St. Thomas 3-3 (CSS 1-1, Point 1-1, UWO 1-1)
St. Norbert 3-3
18. Stout 5-8 (Ham 0-2, Gusty 1-1, Augs 1-1, John's 1-0, Platte 1-3)
19. Bethel 3-5 (UWO 0-2, WW 0-2)
20. Ripon 0-0
The Midwest Region's 5 Big Results of the Week (3/24-3/30):
Stevens Point split two games with La Crosse.
Oshkosh beat Superior only 3 of 4 games.
St. Scholastica split two games with Oshkosh.
St. Olaf split two games with Whitewater.
Oshkosh split two games with St. Thomas.
Midwest Region Pitching Line of the Week (3/24-3/30):
Nate Hedley, junior, Superior, vs. Oshkosh (3/30): W (1-0), 9 IP, 3H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 3 K. No-hit bid broken up in the 6th. Hedley also went 2-for-4 at the plate with 2 RBI in the 3-1 win.
Superior's first win over No. 7 Oshkosh since 1973. UW-Sup now 3-41 lifetime against Oshkosh.
Midwest Region Hitting Line of the Week (3/24-3/30):
Anders Grinde, senior RF, St. Olaf, vs. Keuka (3/27): 4-for-5, 5 R, 5 RBI, BB, 2B, SB in the 20-7 win.
The Midwest Region's 5 Big DH's of the Week (3/31-4/6):
3/31 Bethel vs. St. Thomas
4/5 St. Norbert vs. Stevens Point
4/5 Whitewater vs. Oshkosh
4/6 Whitewater vs. Oshkosh
4/6 St. Scholastica vs. St. Olaf
Quote from: OshDude on March 28, 2008, 01:14:46 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 27, 2008, 09:24:13 PM
2-6 record in the playoffs probably does not make the NCAA happy so this could be the hardest year for CSS to get in but as long they go 3-1 against GA and Olaf they will probably make it and a win against ST. Thomas will probably make them a lock.
Past results don't matter. CSS is fine. Pencil the Saints in unless they lose about three conference games. Even then they might be OK. If CSS were a Pool C team, I wouldn't be close to a verdict yet. As a Pool B prospect, I like CSS's chances. A lot.
CSS already has a nice Pool B profile base. The Saints can only play themselves out the rest of the way.
Good discussion about the UMAC. The UMAC schools are working towards full membership. After the UMAC has had 7 full NCAA members playing baseball for two seasons, the UMAC will get a Pool A bid (automatic qualifier). I guess in about 2011. That bid will come out of Pool B, so it won't hurt the Pool C bids.
Oshdude has a good concept of "in-region". He should be able to answer most questions. ;D ;) :D
Oshdude that is some serious work you're putting in and we on the boards appreciate it. That series this weekend is going to be huge between UWW and UWO, could put one of those teams in the drivers seat. The WIAC is going to be interesting to watch this year because that 4th seed is going to be a toss up.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2008, 12:15:51 AM
Good discussion about the UMAC. The UMAC schools are working towards full membership. After the UMAC has had 7 full NCAA members playing baseball for two seasons, the UMAC will get a Pool A bid (automatic qualifier). I guess in about 2011. That bid will come out of Pool B, so it won't hurt the Pool C bids.
Oshdude has a good concept of "in-region". He should be able to answer most questions. ;D ;) :D
I thought the UMAC will have an automatic qualifier in 2010 but not positive. Not sure if all the teams or 7 of 8 are ncaa members yet but thought they were
Can anyone buy this poll that just came out? How can a team like UST drop in the poll three spots by splitting with what the pollsters consider the 12th best team in the country. Also how is USP hanging on while UWW and CSS can't break in to the top 25. I don't get it. Does anyone that votes on this thing pay any attention to the midwest region? The midwest regional year in and year out is probably the best in the country, top to bottom. Going back to the late 90's this has been the case. Look back to the midwest regional 1999 where any one of the 4 teams (USt, UWO, USP, CSS) would have been the favorite to win it all. Every game in that regional was an extra inning affair. By the way Oshkosh was not bad that year. (Taschner, Grader, Glysch, Parnell, Koepitzke all drafted) Midwest region by far the best in the country.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 01, 2008, 11:09:21 AM
Can anyone buy this poll that just came out? How can a team like UST drop in the poll three spots by splitting with what the pollsters consider the 12th best team in the country. Also how is USP hanging on while UWW and CSS can't break in to the top 25. I don't get it. Does anyone that votes on this thing pay any attention to the midwest region? The midwest regional year in and year out is probably the best in the country, top to bottom. Going back to the late 90's this has been the case. Look back to the midwest regional 1999 where any one of the 4 teams (USt, UWO, USP, CSS) would have been the favorite to win it all. Every game in that regional was an extra inning affair. By the way Oshkosh was not bad that year. (Taschner, Grader, Glysch, Parnell, Koepitzke all drafted) Midwest region by far the best in the country.
Reasons why I dont like the poll:
1. Too heavily based on playing a lot of games early--after preseason pollnext poll shouldnt come out till 1st week in march
2. There is not a lot of movement. More than 2 teams should drop out each week, this allows more teams into the poll and gives them a chance to stay in the poll. CSS UWW have barely budge despite playing well
3. No respect for the Midwest region
4. Pollsters dont follow all the top teams despite getting a recap of their week provided by d3baseball. Those pollsters should do their homework on who the top teams are playing.
Why I like the poll:
1. Gives fans and players something to look at
2. Shows how all teams are doing
3. Gives somewhat of a non bias rating of how teams rank
4. ABCA comes out too late and not often enough
1999 was one of the best midwest years all teams were great. 2005 was also good with UWW winning it all with probably the 2 best pitchers in the nation. Stevens Point probably had one of the strongest lineup in the nation and hit a lot of homers. St Thomas and Scholastica also very good. Scholastica beat Point. STP and UWW split games all season too. I think all teams were ranked in the top 18 in 2005.
Agree Oshkosh, St thomas, UWW, CSS deserve to be ranked until they show they dont. STP for now doesnt deserve to be ranked despite playing good teams but got to win some games as well.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 01, 2008, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 01, 2008, 11:09:21 AM
Can anyone buy this poll that just came out? How can a team like UST drop in the poll three spots by splitting with what the pollsters consider the 12th best team in the country. Also how is USP hanging on while UWW and CSS can't break in to the top 25. I don't get it. Does anyone that votes on this thing pay any attention to the midwest region? The midwest regional year in and year out is probably the best in the country, top to bottom. Going back to the late 90's this has been the case. Look back to the midwest regional 1999 where any one of the 4 teams (USt, UWO, USP, CSS) would have been the favorite to win it all. Every game in that regional was an extra inning affair. By the way Oshkosh was not bad that year. (Taschner, Grader, Glysch, Parnell, Koepitzke all drafted) Midwest region by far the best in the country.
Reasons why I dont like the poll:
1. Too heavily based on playing a lot of games early--after preseason pollnext poll shouldnt come out till 1st week in march
2. There is not a lot of movement. More than 2 teams should drop out each week, this allows more teams into the poll and gives them a chance to stay in the poll. CSS UWW have barely budge despite playing well
3. No respect for the Midwest region
4. Pollsters dont follow all the top teams despite getting a recap of their week provided by d3baseball. Those pollsters should do their homework on who the top teams are playing.
Why I like the poll:
1. Gives fans and players something to look at
2. Shows how all teams are doing
3. Gives somewhat of a non bias rating of how teams rank
4. ABCA comes out too late and not often enough
1999 was one of the best midwest years all teams were great. 2005 was also good with UWW winning it all with probably the 2 best pitchers in the nation. Stevens Point probably had one of the strongest lineup in the nation and hit a lot of homers. St Thomas and Scholastica also very good. Scholastica beat Point. STP and UWW split games all season too. I think all teams were ranked in the top 18 in 2005.
Agree Oshkosh, St thomas, UWW, CSS deserve to be ranked until they show they dont. STP for now doesnt deserve to be ranked despite playing good teams but got to win some games as well.
1. I agree. Ten teams from the South/West is too many in the Top 25. Those regions have very good teams, but 40% of the poll should not be from two regions. At least I don't see a good reason for it this season.
4. I don't think that's true.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 01, 2008, 11:09:21 AM
Look back to the midwest regional 1999 where any one of the 4 teams (USt, UWO, USP, CSS) would have been the favorite to win it all. Every game in that regional was an extra inning affair. By the way Oshkosh was not bad that year. (Taschner, Grader, Glysch, Parnell, Koepitzke all drafted)
Don't forget about starting 3B Jared Koutnik who transferred to Michigan State and was later drafted by the Yankees.....
Anyway, you just had to bring that season up didn't you!!!! >:( That year still pisses me off!! Let all four teams swing aluminum bats at the Regionals and I have a funny feeling someone else would have been representing the Midwest Region at the World Series.....
Quote from: OshDude on April 01, 2008, 07:17:30 PM
4. I don't think that's true.
I hope its not true, just a feeling I have.
What really caught my eye from this week was that Ripon did not receive any votes after being swept. So I think thats what drew me to the pollsters not doing their research is that they received so many votes for going 8-1, beating nobody and losing to the only good team they play and badly too.
Im just a little disappointed that when teams lose they hardly move. Ok yea play a very good team yes maybe move a spot, but lose to ok teams should be moving more spots.
Ex A. Texas Tyler goes 2-2 against no one special and only drops 2 spots.
Ex. B Oshkosh goes 5-3 2 loses against top 25 teams St Thomas and CSS (should be ranked) they drop 5 spots
Ex. C. Keene St. goes 3-1 drops 2 spots
Ex. D. St. Thomas goes 1-1 (UWO the loss) drops 4 spots
It seems like the Midwest always takes a hit in the polls when they lose. Keene St. is really the only one I agree with, UWO should move some but not 5, St. thomas maybe 1 spot, Texas Tyler should move a lot more than just 2.
**Side note the 3 ranked Midwest teams dropped 16 spots in the polls this week. CSS UWW still couldnt get in!
Fan or anyone else, I'd be curious to see your Top 25s. I've tried it. It's a difficult process to even find your 25 let alone make an order. I would think voters are still forming a Top 30-40 at this time.
I imagine finding a consensus before the northern teams play, like a preseason poll, would be especially difficult. From that poll until now is probably like a carving session – pollster's sleeper teams have gone into comas, underachieving traditional powers are finding their way down the poll and the voters are warming to the new, hot teams.
The ORV has gone from a season-high 45 teams in the preseason to a season-low 26 teams in the Week 6 Poll. It was at 37 teams two weeks ago, when northern teams were wrapping up spring games. The whole scenario makes sense to me. And now the field is starting to narrow.
I think in about two weeks we should start to see a more consistent Top 25, with teams making logical moves up and down based on the prior week's play. It takes awhile for two people to agree on something. Now try to get 25 people from around the country to agree. Not only that, I doubt any two people vote the same way. It's probably valid to vote Stevens Point, Ithaca, Marietta and ECSU in your Top 25, if you think those are the teams that will be there in the end. All definitely could be. But it's obvious that there are voters who see a Concordia-Ill and reward it with a lot of votes.
There's decent separation after the Top 20 with this poll. That's pretty good.
Quote from: OshDude on April 01, 2008, 11:01:15 PM
Fan or anyone else, I'd be curious to see your Top 25s. I've tried it. It's a difficult process to even find your 25 let alone make an order. I would think voters are still forming a Top 30-40 at this time.
I imagine finding a consensus before the northern teams play, like a preseason poll, would be especially difficult. From that poll until now is probably like a carving session – pollster's sleeper teams have gone into comas, underachieving traditional powers are finding their way down the poll and the voters are warming to the new, hot teams.
The ORV has gone from a season-high 45 teams in the preseason to a season-low 26 teams in the Week 6 Poll. It was at 37 teams two weeks ago, when northern teams were wrapping up spring games. The whole scenario makes sense to me. And now the field is starting to narrow.
I think in about two weeks we should start to see a more consistent Top 25, with teams making logical moves up and down based on the prior week's play. It takes awhile for two people to agree on something. Now try to get 25 people from around the country to agree. Not only that, I doubt any two people vote the same way. It's probably valid to vote Stevens Point, Ithaca, Marietta and ECSU in your Top 25, if you think those are the teams that will be there in the end. All definitely could be. But it's obvious that there are voters who see a Concordia-Ill and reward it with a lot of votes.
There's decent separation after the Top 20 with this poll. That's pretty good.
Im just giving my opinion on things, and giving some facts at the same time. I like to think Im shining a little light on the subject. I will give my top 25 at some point just need enought time to look into most teams the reason why its not so easy. The reason why I think polls work is that they usually have enough pollsters so its balanced. Therefore, not one pollster can sway the entire poll. Im just baffled at polls in all sports actually.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 01, 2008, 11:11:27 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 01, 2008, 11:01:15 PM
Fan or anyone else, I'd be curious to see your Top 25s. I've tried it. It's a difficult process to even find your 25 let alone make an order. I would think voters are still forming a Top 30-40 at this time.
I imagine finding a consensus before the northern teams play, like a preseason poll, would be especially difficult. From that poll until now is probably like a carving session – pollster's sleeper teams have gone into comas, underachieving traditional powers are finding their way down the poll and the voters are warming to the new, hot teams.
The ORV has gone from a season-high 45 teams in the preseason to a season-low 26 teams in the Week 6 Poll. It was at 37 teams two weeks ago, when northern teams were wrapping up spring games. The whole scenario makes sense to me. And now the field is starting to narrow.
I think in about two weeks we should start to see a more consistent Top 25, with teams making logical moves up and down based on the prior week's play. It takes awhile for two people to agree on something. Now try to get 25 people from around the country to agree. Not only that, I doubt any two people vote the same way. It's probably valid to vote Stevens Point, Ithaca, Marietta and ECSU in your Top 25, if you think those are the teams that will be there in the end. All definitely could be. But it's obvious that there are voters who see a Concordia-Ill and reward it with a lot of votes.
There's decent separation after the Top 20 with this poll. That's pretty good.
Im just giving my opinion on things, and giving some facts at the same time. I like to think Im shining a little light on the subject. I will give my top 25 at some point just need enought time to look into most teams the reason why its not so easy. The reason why I think polls work is that they usually have enough pollsters so its balanced. Therefore, not one pollster can sway the entire poll. Im just baffled at polls in all sports actually.
Giving
your opinion on things? :D
The top 25 voters have been asked to give their opinion each week for 6 weeks
now.
Don't have enough facts? The pollsters have looked at the previous years and the really good teams that have been perennial powers. They have looked at the teams that have gotten some good starts. The teams from the West and the South are going thru tough conference games now. The pollsters have to give a Top 25 now.
The teams from the northern climes that will be the "Top 25 cream" will push out those remaining 2-4 teams from those regions who don't deserve to be in the Top 25.
Let's look at the best conferences in the South and West Regions.
South RegionSalisbury -- Capital AC Powerhouse program. Probably earns an AQ as a Pool B.
Emory -- Defending finalist. Pool B.
NCWC and
CNU -- Both in the USA South. One may not knock out the other in conference play or the tourney.
Piedmont -- has a three-game series versus Emory this weekend. Probably must win 1 of 3 even to remain in the Top 25. contending in Pool B. They are a real longshot to get a Pool B bid.
Gut feeling...NCWC or CNU is knocked out. One South Region team won't hang around the Top 25.
West RegionChapman -- 'nuff said. Pool B bid.
UT-Tyler -- (ASC-East) and
U Ozarks -- (ASC-East). Both teams have tough series versus Mississippi College and Louisiana College remaining.
UMHB -- ASC West. Probably has the ASC-West won. The ASC tourney is best 2 of three inter-divisional crossover on the first weekend, then double elimination for the remaining four team.
Gut feeling -- UOzarks is the long shot among the three, but the ASC tourney is tough. Only one ASC team might survive to remain in the Top 25, and there is a very strong chance that the ASC Pool A bid is not in the Top 25 now.
Pomona-Pitzer -- SCIAC leader. Probably stays in the poll.
Out of the 10 teams from the South and West, I can easily see this playing out with 2-4 South and West Region teams falling out of the Top 25 as we get deeper into the conference play. :)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2008, 11:54:01 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 01, 2008, 11:11:27 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 01, 2008, 11:01:15 PM
Fan or anyone else, I'd be curious to see your Top 25s. I've tried it. It's a difficult process to even find your 25 let alone make an order. I would think voters are still forming a Top 30-40 at this time.
I imagine finding a consensus before the northern teams play, like a preseason poll, would be especially difficult. From that poll until now is probably like a carving session – pollster's sleeper teams have gone into comas, underachieving traditional powers are finding their way down the poll and the voters are warming to the new, hot teams.
The ORV has gone from a season-high 45 teams in the preseason to a season-low 26 teams in the Week 6 Poll. It was at 37 teams two weeks ago, when northern teams were wrapping up spring games. The whole scenario makes sense to me. And now the field is starting to narrow.
I think in about two weeks we should start to see a more consistent Top 25, with teams making logical moves up and down based on the prior week's play. It takes awhile for two people to agree on something. Now try to get 25 people from around the country to agree. Not only that, I doubt any two people vote the same way. It's probably valid to vote Stevens Point, Ithaca, Marietta and ECSU in your Top 25, if you think those are the teams that will be there in the end. All definitely could be. But it's obvious that there are voters who see a Concordia-Ill and reward it with a lot of votes.
There's decent separation after the Top 20 with this poll. That's pretty good.
Im just giving my opinion on things, and giving some facts at the same time. I like to think Im shining a little light on the subject. I will give my top 25 at some point just need enought time to look into most teams the reason why its not so easy. The reason why I think polls work is that they usually have enough pollsters so its balanced. Therefore, not one pollster can sway the entire poll. Im just baffled at polls in all sports actually.
Giving your opinion on things? :D
The top 25 voters have been asked to give their opinion each week for 6 weeks now.
Don't have enough facts? The pollsters have looked at the previous years and the really good teams that have been perennial powers. They have looked at the teams that have gotten some good starts. The teams from the West and the South are going thru tough conference games now. The pollsters have to give a Top 25 now.
The teams from the northern climes that will be the "Top 25 cream" will push out those remaining 2-4 teams from those regions who don't deserve to be in the Top 25.
Let's look at the best conferences in the South and West Regions.
South Region
Salisbury -- Capital AC Powerhouse program. Probably earns an AQ as a Pool B.
Emory -- Defending finalist. Pool B.
NCWC and CNU -- Both in the USA South. One may not knock out the other in conference play or the tourney.
Piedmont -- has a three-game series versus Emory this weekend. Probably must win 1 of 3 even to remain in the Top 25. contending in Pool B. They are a real longshot to get a Pool B bid.
Gut feeling...NCWC or CNU is knocked out. One South Region team won't hang around the Top 25.
West Region
Chapman -- 'nuff said. Pool B bid.
UT-Tyler -- (ASC-East) and U Ozarks -- (ASC-East). Both teams have tough series versus Mississippi College and Louisiana College remaining.
UMHB -- ASC West. Probably has the ASC-West won. The ASC tourney is best 2 of three inter-divisional crossover on the first weekend, then double elimination for the remaining four team.
Gut feeling -- UOzarks is the long shot among the three, but the ASC tourney is tough. Only one ASC team might survive to remain in the Top 25, and there is a very strong chance that the ASC Pool A bid is not in the Top 25 now.
Pomona-Pitzer -- SCIAC leader. Probably stays in the poll.
Out of the 10 teams from the South and West, I can easily see this playing out with 2-4 South and West Region teams falling out of the Top 25 as we get deeper into the conference play. :)
Sounds great dont get the first bit because thats the problem the past means nothing and if it does why is CSS and UWW not up higher
JUST MY OPINION!
When Ralph is talking about all the Pool B bids, is he meaning Pool A's and C's? Don't those conferences have AQ's? I know that Chapman is a B pooler, but the others should be A and C's
All of this poll stuff is going to work itself out soon enough. Teams like UWW and CSS have some big in region games this weekend if they can get them in. I don't now what kind of shape the field is in at Whitewater for the Oshkosh series, but a source tells me that there is still snow on the field at St. Olaf, so that CSS vs Olaf series my be delayed.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 02, 2008, 05:33:22 PM
When Ralph is talking about all the Pool B bids, is he meaning Pool A's and C's? Don't those conferences have AQ's? I know that Chapman is a B pooler, but the others should be A and C's
Im not sure how those work out like Emory and Salisbury but believe they have been pool Bs in the past. It doesnt really make sense if they have an AQ and get a pool B. I thought pool Bs were independents. Somone can probably explain it.
Everything will work its self out but just gives us something to talk about during slow times
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 02, 2008, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 02, 2008, 05:33:22 PM
When Ralph is talking about all the Pool B bids, is he meaning Pool A's and C's? Don't those conferences have AQ's? I know that Chapman is a B pooler, but the others should be A and C's
Im not sure how those work out like Emory and Salisbury but believe they have been pool Bs in the past. It doesnt really make sense if they have an AQ and get a pool B. I thought pool Bs were independents. Somone can probably explain it.
Everything will work its self out but just gives us something to talk about during slow times
Your right, its better than talking about the fact that it is April and we are still worried about getting snowed out. That global warming thing needs to kick into high gear.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 02, 2008, 05:33:22 PM
When Ralph is talking about all the Pool B bids, is he meaning Pool A's and C's? Don't those conferences have AQ's? I know that Chapman is a B pooler, but the others should be A and C's
Greetings,
I throw in the Pool B stuff to remind the voters as to the way that these teams will get into the tourney.
The Capital AC is still a Pool B conference.
The UAA does not have 7 members playing baseball. Emory is Pool B.
CSS is a Pool B team and will be trying to get an at-large bid.
The flipside of Baseballfan's comment is that the season will see the northern teams make the Top 25 as they play more games, especially good conference games.
Ralph,
Hope you dont think im bashing the entire poll I think its good/great, just question some things about how some votes go which is my job as a fan. If people dont raise questions, how do things ever become better!---how our country was founded and created!
So if you are a poll voter and think im saying that you suck and dont know what your talking about thats not true. Obviously you know a lot and do a good job! Im sure the pollsters know how the entire system works from the bids to how teams are doing. But I also know my fair share of things too. So ill leave things at that.
I didn't take that as bashing. I just gave my opinion on what might be affecting the voters this early in the season. :)
As I said, I think that the northern teams will appear late. I think that this poll will show a rolling pattern as southern and western teams flash onto the scene. Either they stick with good seasons, or they drop off, and are replaced by northern teams, especially northern teams that have track records.
I really like the table that I saw on the 2007 Championship site (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2007/regionals/participants.html). I imagine that Ripon will start attracting some attention by the end of April if they are headed back to the playoffs.
There are some good teams that know how to win.
I like that link cuz it showed who are the pool B and C teams that won last year. Seams like these 5 teams have been consistent the last few years and might be getting the B bids again this year
Chapman University (Calif.) Independent 35-5 10th
College of St. Scholastica (Minn.) Upper Midwest Athletic Conference 36-6 4th
Emory University (Ga.) University Athletic Association 35-7 9th
Ithaca College (N.Y.) Empire Eight Conference 24-13 31st
Salisbury University (Md.) Capital Athletic Conference 32-8 13th
Does anyone know if there is going to be any games played in Minnesota outside of the Twins? The MIAC page is a red blotch with reschedules.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 04, 2008, 01:09:16 PM
Does anyone know if there is going to be any games played in Minnesota outside of the Twins? The MIAC page is a red blotch with reschedules.
Who knows maybe they will have to head to Iowa or somewhere else outside of the state to play
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 04, 2008, 01:09:16 PM
Does anyone know if there is going to be any games played in Minnesota outside of the Twins? The MIAC page is a red blotch with reschedules.
I am on Bethel's team and our field is finally starting to look decent, I just got back from shoveling off snow and breaking up ice out on our warning track, but that is really the only part of the field that doesn't look good right now. The sun and higher temps here are helping to dry out the field pretty quickly. Their is a very high probability that we will get games in tomorrow against St. Johns. Not sure about other fields in the MIAC, but I would assume that they should be ready by next week for sure. St. Thomas and Macalaster were scheduled to play today and they both have turf infields so I would assume that they played today, but am not positive.
D3BallGuy, do you know what Rickey Saintey is up to? He and I competed against each other and struck up a friendly rivalry.
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 04, 2008, 05:22:14 PM
D3BallGuy, do you know what Rickey Saintey is up to? He and I competed against each other and struck up a friendly rivalry.
Gustie13, not really sure. He graduated the year before I came to Bethel so I didn't really know him. I believe he was teaching and coaching at Rosemount High School for a while, but not sure what he is up to now.
Ranked by winning percentage (through 4/6), using only in-region games. Midwest series against Top 20 in parentheses.
1. Ripon 4-0
2. Concordia-Moorhead 5-1 (LAX 2-0)
3. Stevens Point 8-2 (Thomas 1-1, LAX 3-1, Norbert 2-0)
4. Grinnell 11-5 (Olaf 0-2, Sup 1-1)
5. Oshkosh 10-5 (CSS 1-1, Thomas 1-1, Beth 2-0, Sup 3-1, WW 2-2)
Whitewater 8-4 (Olaf 1-1, Beth 2-0, Augs 1-1, UWO 2-2)
St. Scholastica 4-2 (Thomas 1-1, UWO 1-1)
St. Olaf 4-2 (WW 1-1, Grinn 2-0)
Gustavus 4-2 (Stout 1-1)
10. Illinois College 7-4
11. Hamline 10-6 (LAX 2-0, Stout 2-0)
Platteville 10-6 (Stout 3-1, LAX 2-2)
St. Thomas 5-3 (CSS 1-1, Point 1-1, UWO 1-1)
14. Superior 8-6 (Grinn 1-1, John's 2-0, UWO 1-3, Stout 2-2)
15. La Crosse 9-9 (Augs 2-0, Ham 0-2, John's 2-0, Moor 0-2, Point 1-3, Platte 2-2)
Augsburg 6-6 (LAX 0-2, WW 1-1, Stout 1-1)
St. John's 6-6 (LAX 0-2, Stout 0-1, Sup 0-2, Beth 1-1)
St. Norbert 5-5 (Point 0-2)
19. Stout 7-10 (Ham 0-2, Gust 1-1, Augs 1-1, John's 1-0, Platte 1-3, Sup 2-2)
20. Bethel 4-6 (UWO 0-2, WW 0-2, John's 1-1)
Midwest Region's 5 Big Results of the Week (3/31-4/6):
Whitewater split four games with Oshkosh.
Stevens Point swept two games from St. Norbert.
St. John's split two games with Bethel.
Superior split four games with Stout. Superior now 3-5 in WIAC. Sup went 4-92 from 2004-07.
Ripon swept four games from Lawrence. Finally in-region, not because they swept LU.
Midwest Region Pitching Line of the Week:
Justin Saufley, junior, Superior, vs. Stout (4/6): W (4-1), 8 IP, 3 H, 3 BB, 6 K in 9-0 win.
Midwest Region Hitting Line of the Week:
Storm Gram, junior CF, La Crosse, vs. Platteville (4/6): 3-for-3, 3 R, 5 RBI, 2B, HR, 3 SB in 14-4 win.
Midwest Region's 5 (or 6) Big DH's of the Week (4/7-13):
4/8 St. Thomas vs. Concordia-Moorhead
4/8 Ripon vs. Marian
4/9 Stevens Point vs. Oshkosh
4/12 St. Olaf vs. Augsburg
4/12-13 Oshkosh vs. La Crosse (4 games)
With any luck the Minnesota teams can get on the field this week.
Hypothetical - Let's say some of these teams in the Midwest are unable to get all their games in due to the weather and are unable to make them all up as the season goes along. How will this effect teams that will be fighting for the B and C tournament bids?
Quote from: xyz123 on April 07, 2008, 01:55:28 PM
Hypothetical - Let's say some of these teams in the Midwest are unable to get all their games in due to the weather and are unable to make them all up as the season goes along. How will this effect teams that will be fighting for the B and C tournament bids?
My guess would that it might not really hurt them because they average out the point totals from in region games. Reasons why it might hurt tho:
1. Only get in 30 games (less games to average, a bad loss hurts more)
2. Dont get many quality wins then
3. Hurts team when they make the regional and have not used a lot of guys on the pitching staff
I guess it all depends on how many games they get in. If they get in 36 out of 40 it wont hurt them. Only get in 30 probably would hurt some. B bid really only affects CSS. C for the rest of the non conference tourney losers. Plus if all teams are in the same boat and dont get in all games it wont hurt. Oshdude might know a little bit better but just dont think it will make much difference.
Ummm - I just checked out the ABCA poll http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll4808.pdf
What the?? First of all, how does Whitewater get ranked so high in this poll and it doesnt even make the top 25 of the D3 baseball poll?
Also, how can no Minnesota team be in this poll? St. Thomas? St. Scholastica?
I don't really get it.
Quote from: xyz123 on April 09, 2008, 10:01:38 AM
Ummm - I just checked out the ABCA poll http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll4808.pdf
What the?? First of all, how does Whitewater get ranked so high in this poll and it doesnt even make the top 25 of the D3 baseball poll?
Also, how can no Minnesota team be in this poll? St. Thomas? St. Scholastica?
I don't really get it.
Who knows really!..UWW gets the pub for hitting 28 back to back homeruns on a short gail force wind field. St thomas and CSS hasnt played many games so it hurts them. Once they start racking up 5-7 wins (which they will have to play to get games in) a week they will be up there
This could get ugly. Our conferences usually have a few false starts every year, but the more these schedules get condensed, the crazier scores and pitching matchups are going to be.
There's an 80% chance of rain at 1 p.m. in Oshkosh tomorrow, so the Stevens Point/UWO DH could get pushed back another day or until a later date.
Looking at the MIAC schedules, it looks as if arms might fall off before season's end. At least MIAC finals are finally starting to trickle in. But look around the region. No MLB team plays the schedule some of the MW teams are facing from now until early May. Oshkosh has 12 games scheduled over the next 10 days. The WIAC schedule is fairly tough without postponements. All it takes is one PPD to make it nearly impossible.
Oshkosh just one example. Look at your team – except MWC teams, which appear to be OK. Chances are, those guys are facing the same thing. If MLB teams don't have 12-man staffs of pros to pull it off, how can a D3 team do it?
The early May deadline for completion of regular-season games is firm, so will there come a time when DHs are cancelled to save pitchers for the postseason? Or should the primary concern be toward uniform participation and completion of the regular-season schedules? Those two questions seem mutually exclusive, especially in terms of Carleton's concerns vs. those of, say, St. Thomas. I think participation wins out and teams like St. Thomas, CSS, Point and Oshkosh will limp into the playoffs with their arms dragging.
Quote from: OshDude on April 10, 2008, 01:36:18 AM
The early May deadline for completion of regular-season games is firm, so will there come a time when DHs are cancelled to save pitchers for the postseason? Or should the primary concern be toward uniform participation and completion of the regular-season schedules? I think participation wins out and teams like St. Thomas, CSS, Point and Oshkosh will limp into the playoffs with their arms dragging.
Due to the rain today, Oshkosh cancels their regularly scheduled DH against Wisconsin Lutheran next Wednesday, and uses that date to make up the twice PPD DH against Stevens Point.
This weather is getting re-diculous! I say bang the whole season and have a two week - 16 team tourney and lets see who comes out in the end. Lord knows we might not see any more games played in Minnesota & Wisconsin in the near future.
Looks like Minnesota is in for a monster snowstorm. Maybe by the end of April they can play some games.
Quote from: cubs on April 10, 2008, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 10, 2008, 01:36:18 AM
The early May deadline for completion of regular-season games is firm, so will there come a time when DHs are cancelled to save pitchers for the postseason? Or should the primary concern be toward uniform participation and completion of the regular-season schedules? I think participation wins out and teams like St. Thomas, CSS, Point and Oshkosh will limp into the playoffs with their arms dragging.
Due to the rain today, Oshkosh cancels their regularly scheduled DH against Wisconsin Lutheran next Wednesday, and uses that date to make up the twice PPD DH against Stevens Point.
The Point/Ripon DH is the casualty on the other side.
If that DH does not get rescheduled, Ripon's sched the rest of the way obviously looks much easier. Ripon has a DH against Marian and four games against St. Norbert. All six are good games, but removing the Point games would make Ripon a top-seed contender once again. Ripon could run the table in region until the MWC tourney. I doubt it, but it's doable now.
Quote from: OshDude on April 10, 2008, 07:17:10 PM
Quote from: cubs on April 10, 2008, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 10, 2008, 01:36:18 AM
The early May deadline for completion of regular-season games is firm, so will there come a time when DHs are cancelled to save pitchers for the postseason? Or should the primary concern be toward uniform participation and completion of the regular-season schedules? I think participation wins out and teams like St. Thomas, CSS, Point and Oshkosh will limp into the playoffs with their arms dragging.
Due to the rain today, Oshkosh cancels their regularly scheduled DH against Wisconsin Lutheran next Wednesday, and uses that date to make up the twice PPD DH against Stevens Point.
The Point/Ripon DH is the casualty on the other side.
If that DH does not get rescheduled, Ripon's sched the rest of the way obviously looks much easier. Ripon has a DH against Marian and four games against St. Norbert. All six are good games, but removing the Point games would make Ripon a top-seed contender once again. Ripon could run the table in region until the MWC tourney. I doubt it, but it's doable now.
Ripon game is now scheduled for April 29th. Like to think there won't be weather issues by then, but who knows.
A wise man once said, "Some times you win, some times you lose, some times it rains."
What he didn't say was that the rainout stink. We were going to have a great weekend watching 6 games with no conflicts between the kids. We'll be lucky to see 3 if we drive all night.
As I was looking at the UMAC and other teams outside the "Midwest Top 20," I stumbled upon this gem.
http://www.crown.edu/fileadmin/Athletics/baseball/08_Box_Scores/a8ccnw1.htm (http://www.crown.edu/fileadmin/Athletics/baseball/08_Box_Scores/a8ccnw1.htm)
If someone from Northwestern throws a no-hitter against Crown, will anyone notice? By scanning the boards, apparently not. In any event, I think I have my Pitching Line of the Week. For those keeping track, I have Northwestern at 4-3 in-region and Crown 0-7.
By the looks of it, every result will be a Midwest Region Top 5 Result this week.
Well looks like no one noticed that no-hitter, typically those are the front page of d3.
I was looking Scholasticas schedule wow its ridiculous
4/13/2008 * Presentation College Aberdeen, S.D. Noon 3 games
4/14/2008 * Crown College St. Bonifacius, Minn. 11 am 3 games
4/15/2008 * Northland College Duluth, Minn. @ Wade Stadium 2 pm 2 games guessing pushed back
4/18/2008 * NORTHWESTERN COLLEGE Duluth, Minn. @ Wade Stadium 3 pm
4/19/2008 * NORTHWESTERN COLLEGE Duluth, Minn. @ Wade Stadium Noon 2 games
4/20/2008 * Martin Luther College New Ulm, Minn. 1 pm 2 games
4/22/2008 * NORTHLAND COLLEGE Duluth, Minn. @ Wade Stadium 3 pm
4/25/2008 * UM-MORRIS Duluth, Minn. @ Wade Stadium 3 pm
4/26/2008 * UM-MORRIS Duluth, Minn. @ Wade Stadium Noon 2 games
4/27/2008 UNIVERSITY OF ST. THOMAS Duluth, Minn. @ Wade Stadium 1 pm
4/29/2008 Gustavus Adolphus St. Peter, Minn. 2 pm 2 games
5/2/2008 * BETHANY LUTHERAN COLLEGE Duluth, Minn. @ Wade Stadium 6 pm
5/3/2008 * BETHANY LUTHERAN COLLEGE 2 games
Plus they need to fit a DH against Olaf so 25 games in 20 days including 2 Triple headers back to back ouch!
Ranked by winning percentage (through 4/13). Midwest series against Top 20 in parentheses.
1. Ripon 4-0
2. Stevens Point 10-2 (StT 1-1, LAX 3-1, Norbert 2-0, Sup 2-0)
3. Gustavus 8-2 (Stout 1-1, StJ 2-0, Moor 2-0)
4. Whitewater 12-4 (StO 1-1, Beth 2-0, Augs 1-1, UWO 2-2, Platte 2-0, Stout 2-0)
5. St. Olaf 5-2 (WW 1-1, Grinn 2-0, Beth 1-0)
6. Oshkosh 12-5 (CSS 1-1, StT 1-1, Beth 2-0, Sup 3-1, WW 2-2, LAX 2-0)
7. Grinnell 11-5 (StO 0-2, Sup 1-1)
8. St. Scholastica 4-2 (StT 1-1, UWO 1-1)
9. Illinois College 7-4
10. St. Thomas 5-3 (CSS 1-1, Point 1-1, UWO 1-1)
Moorhead 5-3 (LAX 2-0, Gust 0-2)
12. Hamline 12-8 (LAX 2-0, Stout 2-0)
13. Augsburg 9-7 (LAX 0-2, WW 1-1, Stout 1-1)
14. Platteville 10-8 (Stout 3-1, LAX 2-2, WW 0-2)
15. La Crosse 11-11 (Augs 2-0, Ham 0-2, StJ 2-0, Moor 0-2, Point 1-3, PV 2-2, Stout 2-0, UWO 0-2)
Superior 8-8 (Grinn 1-1, StJ 2-0, UWO 1-3, Stout 2-2, Point 0-2)
St. Norbert 5-5 (Point 0-2)
18. St. John's 6-8 (LAX 0-2, Stout 0-1, Sup 0-2, Beth 1-1, Gust 0-2)
19. Bethel 4-7 (UWO 0-2, WW 0-2, StJ 1-1, StO 0-1)
20. Stout 7-14 (Ham 0-2, Gust 1-1, Augs 1-1, StJ 1-0, PV 1-3, Sup 2-2, LAX 0-2, WW 0-2)
Midwest Region's 5 Big Results of the Week (4/7-13):
St. Olaf 4, Bethel 3.
St. Mary's swept two games from Hamline.
Gustavus swept two games from both St. John's and Concordia.
Whitewater (4-0), Stevens Point (2-0) and Oshkosh (2-0) all went undefeated.
One MWC team played a game (Lawrence def. Lakeland).
Midwest Region's Pitching line of the Week (4/7-13):
Jeff Amann, senior, Northwestern, vs. Crown (4/8): W (1-2), 7 IP, 0 H, 5 BB, 9 K in 3-0 win.
Midwest Region's Hitting line of the Week (4/7-13):
Alex Buresh, sophomore DH, Hamline, vs. Carleton (4/9): 2-for-2, 2 R, 4 RBI, BB, HR, SF in 11-0 win.
Midwest Region's 5 Big DH's of the Week (4/14-20):
4/14 Gustavus vs. Bethel
4/14 St. Norbert vs. Beloit (8-5 in-region)
4/16 St. Thomas vs. St. Olaf
4/16 Stevens Point vs. Oshkosh
4/19 Illinois College vs. Grinnell
Nice to see UWW join the top 25 this week thats 4 midwest teams now.
Also good to see CSS play their 1st games in 3 weeks with a win yesterday and a sweep today (15-3). They used 14 pitchers I see, no one going more than 2 innings to save arms They have the chance to go 8-0 this week and be 20-3---5 midwest teams ranked next week?
"Also good to see CSS play their 1st games in 3 weeks with a win yesterday and a sweep today (15-3). They used 14 pitchers I see, no one going more than 2 innings to save arms They have the chance to go 8-0 this week and be 20-3---5 midwest teams ranked next week?"
I am of the opinion that any team that gives up 6 runs to Crown in 3 games should go down in the rankings. I don't care who they pitched.
Quote from: xyz123 on April 16, 2008, 09:14:06 AM
"Also good to see CSS play their 1st games in 3 weeks with a win yesterday and a sweep today (15-3). They used 14 pitchers I see, no one going more than 2 innings to save arms They have the chance to go 8-0 this week and be 20-3---5 midwest teams ranked next week?"
I am of the opinion that any team that gives up 6 runs to Crown in 3 games should go down in the rankings. I don't care who they pitched.
True probably should not give up 6 runs to Crown but under the circumstances i think its ok: 14 pitchers, cold weather, havent played in 3 weeks, some of those guys im guessing hadnt really pitched all year, its pretty tough for 14 different guys to be perfect. A wins a win, no matter if its 20-19 or 1-0 and its good they are playing
With the regional rankings due to be out by the end of April, I thought it may be fun to get some early guesses as to what they are before the weekend games. The first rankings should look similar to those in the past, with only Gustavus being a new serious contender.
Here's my list as of today, with in-region records through 4/16:
1. Oshkosh 16-5 (splits with CSS, StT, WW, swept Point)
2. Whitewater 16-4 (splits with UWO, StO)
3. St. Thomas 9-3 (splits with CSS, Point, UWO, swept StO)
4. Ripon 8-0 (swept Carroll, Lawrence ... whatever)
5. St. Scholastica 7-2 (splits with UWO, StT)
6. Stevens Point 12-4 (split with StT, swept by UWO, swept Norbert)
Other teams at least two games over .500:
Gustavus 12-2 (swept a .500-in-region Concordia-Moorhead team)
St. Olaf 7-4 (split with WW, swept Grinnell, swept by StT)
Hamline 14-8 (swept a .500-in-region Concordia-Moorhead team, too)
Grinnell 11-7 (swept by StO)
St. Norbert 8-6 (swept by Point and Carthage, lost to Augustana, won 3 of 4 against Beloit)
Beloit 10-8 (lost 3 of 4 to Norbert, lost to Augustana)
And yes, those are the only teams at least two games above .500 so far.
Any other early season predictions?
OK, so the standards are now that unless you shut out bad teams you should drop in the rankings.... That doesn't make much sense to me, do you think the pollsters care about the number of shutouts a team has in a year or how the team actually stacks up against the others?
Quote from: biggio34 on April 17, 2008, 01:02:36 AM
OK, so the standards are now that unless you shut out bad teams you should drop in the rankings.... That doesn't make much sense to me, do you think the pollsters care about the number of shutouts a team has in a year or how the team actually stacks up against the others?
CSS has to be on a shorter leash because the play in the UMAC, no ifs ands or buts.
"... That doesn't make much sense to me, do you think the pollsters care about the number of shutouts a team has in a year or how the team actually stacks up against the others?"
They better care. If a team goes 40-0 and only plays teams like Crown, that doesn't really say much for how good they are. Obviously the pollsters have to look at who a teams wins are coming against or else they are not doing their job.
Don't get me wrong, I think CSS should be ranked regionally and in the national polls, but I had to give them a little bit of a hard time when they gave up 6 runs in 3 games to a team that was no hit by Northwestern. That's all.
I agree that CSS gets a ton of easy wins a year by being in the UMAC, that is clearly the case. I'm saying that the pollsters probably don't care if they gave up 2 runs per game against crown, MLC, Northwestern, etc. I would imagine that the pollsters understand CSS situation that they are required to play those games and most of the time treat them as JV games to get second and third string guys some innings. I don't know how many conf games they have off the top of my head, but if they go 20-0 (or whatever) in the UMAC and have zero shutout, that is better than going 18-2 with 5 shutouts.
I agree biggio34. I dont think the scores matter, nor should they. I was simply trying to poke alittle fun at your squad for giving up runs to Crown... as meaningless as those runs were.
Quote from: OshDude on April 17, 2008, 01:01:34 AM
With the regional rankings due to be out by the end of April, I thought it may be fun to get some early guesses as to what they are before the weekend games. The first rankings should look similar to those in the past, with only Gustavus being a new serious contender.
Here's my list as of today, with in-region records through 4/16:
1. Oshkosh 16-5 (splits with CSS, StT, WW, swept Point)
2. Whitewater 16-4 (splits with UWO, StO)
3. St. Thomas 9-3 (splits with CSS, Point, UWO, swept StO)
4. Ripon 8-0 (swept Carroll, Lawrence ... whatever)
5. St. Scholastica 7-2 (splits with UWO, StT)
6. Stevens Point 12-4 (split with StT, swept by UWO, swept Norbert)
Other teams at least two games over .500:
Gustavus 12-2 (swept a .500-in-region Concordia-Moorhead team)
St. Olaf 7-4 (split with WW, swept Grinnell, swept by StT)
Hamline 14-8 (swept a .500-in-region Concordia-Moorhead team, too)
Grinnell 11-7 (swept by StO)
St. Norbert 8-6 (swept by Point and Carthage, lost to Augustana, won 3 of 4 against Beloit)
Beloit 10-8 (lost 3 of 4 to Norbert, lost to Augustana)
And yes, those are the only teams at least two games above .500 so far.
Any other early season predictions?
1. Oshkosh 16-5 (splits with CSS, StT, WW, swept Point)
2. Whitewater 16-4 (splits with UWO, StO)
3. St. Thomas 9-3 (splits with CSS, Point, UWO, swept StO)
4. St. Scholastica 7-2 (splits with UWO, StT)
5. Stevens Point 12-4 (split with StT, swept by UWO, swept Norbert)
6. Ripon 8-0 (swept Carroll, Lawrence ...
whatever)
Tough to argue you with your rankings, I would probably put Ripon 6 because havent beat anyone good overall and their 8 in region win are against 2 teams with terrible records. Their last 6 games will show if they are actually that good (2 vs STP, 4 vs Norbert).
Still a lot of ball to play.
1. UWO looks in the drivers seat with only 2 tough games left (STP).
2. UWW only 4 tough games left (STP).
3. UST will coast into the regional and with a win over CSS and GA split and tourney championship will get a #2 seed.
4. CSS needs to play a lot of games still. Sweep over Gustavus and a win over UST gets them in probably 4 or 5.
5. Stevens Point tough 6 games plus ripons 2. Needs to go 4-4 I think in those games
6. Ripon might still need to win conference tourney to get in.
GA could make things interesting if they sweep St thomas and is on a roll lately. If St thomas doesnt win their conference tourney that could put the 3rd WIAC team out (STP?) or CSS if they dont take care of business. Same could be said if Ripon doesnt win either
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 17, 2008, 04:58:49 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 17, 2008, 01:01:34 AM
With the regional rankings due to be out by the end of April, I thought it may be fun to get some early guesses as to what they are before the weekend games. The first rankings should look similar to those in the past, with only Gustavus being a new serious contender.
Here's my list as of today, with in-region records through 4/16:
1. Oshkosh 16-5 (splits with CSS, StT, WW, swept Point)
2. Whitewater 16-4 (splits with UWO, StO)
3. St. Thomas 9-3 (splits with CSS, Point, UWO, swept StO)
4. Ripon 8-0 (swept Carroll, Lawrence ... whatever)
5. St. Scholastica 7-2 (splits with UWO, StT)
6. Stevens Point 12-4 (split with StT, swept by UWO, swept Norbert)
Other teams at least two games over .500:
Gustavus 12-2 (swept a .500-in-region Concordia-Moorhead team)
St. Olaf 7-4 (split with WW, swept Grinnell, swept by StT)
Hamline 14-8 (swept a .500-in-region Concordia-Moorhead team, too)
Grinnell 11-7 (swept by StO)
St. Norbert 8-6 (swept by Point and Carthage, lost to Augustana, won 3 of 4 against Beloit)
Beloit 10-8 (lost 3 of 4 to Norbert, lost to Augustana)
And yes, those are the only teams at least two games above .500 so far.
Any other early season predictions?
1. Oshkosh 16-5 (splits with CSS, StT, WW, swept Point)
2. Whitewater 16-4 (splits with UWO, StO)
3. St. Thomas 9-3 (splits with CSS, Point, UWO, swept StO)
4. St. Scholastica 7-2 (splits with UWO, StT)
5. Stevens Point 12-4 (split with StT, swept by UWO, swept Norbert)
6. Ripon 8-0 (swept Carroll, Lawrence ... whatever)
Tough to argue you with your rankings, I would probably put Ripon 6 because havent beat anyone good overall and their 8 in region win are against 2 teams with terrible records. Their last 6 games will show if they are actually that good (2 vs STP, 4 vs Norbert).
Still a lot of ball to play.
1. UWO looks in the drivers seat with only 2 tough games left (STP).
2. UWW only 4 tough games left (STP).
3. UST will coast into the regional and with a win over CSS and GA split and tourney championship will get a #2 seed.
4. CSS needs to play a lot of games still. Sweep over Gustavus and a win over UST gets them in probably 4 or 5.
5. Stevens Point tough 6 games plus ripons 2. Needs to go 4-4 I think in those games
6. Ripon might still need to win conference tourney to get in.
GA could make things interesting if they sweep St thomas and is on a roll lately. If St thomas doesnt win their conference tourney that could put the 3rd WIAC team out (STP?) or CSS if they dont take care of business. Same could be said if Ripon doesnt win either
Even as a loyal Gustie fan I don't consider GAC much of a threat to USt.
Back to CSS, lets be honest, the pollsters probably don't know just how bad Crown, MLC, etc. are.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 17, 2008, 04:58:49 PM
6. Ripon NEEDS to win conference tourney to get in.
GA could make things interesting if they sweep St thomas and is on a roll lately. If St thomas doesnt win their conference tourney that could put the 3rd WIAC team out (STP?) or CSS if they dont take care of business. Same could be said if Ripon doesnt win either
I only made one change in the above statement..... If they don't win the MWC Tourney (which I predicted back in February that St. Norbert would win) they WILL NOT get a Regional bid. Take it to the bank!!!
Quote from: cubs on April 17, 2008, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 17, 2008, 04:58:49 PM
6. Ripon NEEDS to win conference tourney to get in.
GA could make things interesting if they sweep St thomas and is on a roll lately. If St thomas doesnt win their conference tourney that could put the 3rd WIAC team out (STP?) or CSS if they dont take care of business. Same could be said if Ripon doesnt win either
I only made one change in the above statement..... If they don't win the MWC Tourney (which I predicted back in February that St. Norbert would win) they WILL NOT get a Regional bid. Take it to the bank!!!
I pretty much agree with you. I dont think the MWC will get 2 teams. No room for them both if 3 go from WIAC, 1 MIAC, 1 UMAC.
Hello. Just a thought is that there are some set criteria that the committee is to use for determine the at large bids, both for pool B and pool C. There are below. And as far as the pool C bids (those for teams who are in a conference with an AQ but who do not get that AQ) and the Pool B teams (those without an AQ in the conference) much of the determining factor comes down to if the best teams in the nation win their conference tourneys.
These are the primary criteria that are used to rank the Pool B & C teams:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Quality of Wins Index: only contests versus regional competition
• In- region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/selection process only.
• Conference post-season contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.
If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision by the committee, the following Secondary Criteria (for ranking and selections) will be evaluated:
• Out-of region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III won-loss percentage
• Results versus common non Division III opponents
• Results versus Division III teams ranked in other regions
• Overall win-loss percentage
• Results versus common out-of region opponents
• Overall Division III Quality of Wins.
This is a brutal conversation that needs to go away. Every conference has these teams. The UMAC has a few. The MIAC has MAC and Carl, and now St. Johns. The MWC has more than a couple. The commitee is not going to spend anytime wondering if teams shutout the worst teams in their conference. Teams like the Gusties giving up 4 runs to Carleton or CSS giving up 3 to Crown means nothing. None of them are getting scored off either teams top 8 pitchers. The guys pitching in those games aren't going to see innings in a regional.
Agreed. This is a brutal conversation. The point is taken, the scores mean nothing.
I'd like to add that I think BaseballFan's regional ranking should be correct... Ripon doesn't deserve higher than the 6th seed based on the in region teams they have beaten. It will be interesting to see how those rankings change as the next couple weeks games are played.
I couldn't agree more with you good sirs, that it is a mood point of scores of games against lesser quality opponents.
My question is, do you think that the scheduling difficulties with the weather in the Midwest will affect any of the tournament decisions. For example, the teams in the south (or anywhere else for that matter) have already started their post season tournaments. And for the majority of the season those teams are "ranked" in the ABCA and D3 polls because of much higher win totals than those teams in the midwest. Does anyone think this will affect the final tournament or will the NCAA people look past this fact?
Thanks.
Quote from: ballboy on April 18, 2008, 04:46:25 PM
I couldn't agree more with you good sirs, that it is a mood point of scores of games against lesser quality opponents.
My question is, do you think that the scheduling difficulties with the weather in the Midwest will affect any of the tournament decisions. For example, the teams in the south (or anywhere else for that matter) have already started their post season tournaments. And for the majority of the season those teams are "ranked" in the ABCA and D3 polls because of much higher win totals than those teams in the midwest. Does anyone think this will affect the final tournament or will the NCAA people look past this fact?
Thanks.
It all evens out in the end. The Midwest is on equal footing with other regions when tourney bids are doled out. Those South Region teams are basically done until regionals after this week. If anything, I'd say that's a disadvantage.
Quote from: ballboy on April 18, 2008, 04:46:25 PM
I couldn't agree more with you good sirs, that it is a mood point of scores of games against lesser quality opponents.
My question is, do you think that the scheduling difficulties with the weather in the Midwest will affect any of the tournament decisions. For example, the teams in the south (or anywhere else for that matter) have already started their post season tournaments. And for the majority of the season those teams are "ranked" in the ABCA and D3 polls because of much higher win totals than those teams in the midwest. Does anyone think this will affect the final tournament or will the NCAA people look past this fact?
Thanks.
Moot!
It wont really make that big of difference. All regions get basically the same amount of teams for their tourney. Also, ABCA and D3 polls have no baring on regional bids, NCAA does their own thing.
I think south region teams being done early can be a disadvantage. But also think it could potentially hurt if midwest teams dont get all their games in could hurt their pitching staffs not racking up enough innings.
CSS, UWO, UST, Olaf all went 2-0 today
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 19, 2008, 08:08:55 PM
CSS, UWO, UST, Olaf all went 2-0 today
Actually Olaf split with Hamline today, the Pipers won game 1 4-3 and then the Oles pounded them 14-2 in game 2.
Yep thanks for the correction misread it
Midwest Region teams two games or more above .500, ranked by winning percentage (through 4/20). Series between these teams and other potentially ranked Central Region teams in parentheses.
1. Ripon 10-0
2. Gustavus 13-3 (Moor 2-0)
3. Whitewater 17-4 (StO 1-1, UWO 2-2)
4. Oshkosh 20-5 (CSS 1-1, StT 1-1, WW 2-2, Point 2-0)
5. St. Thomas 11-3 (CSS 1-1, Point 1-1, UWO 1-1, StO 2-0)
St. Scholastica 11-3 (StT 1-1, UWO 1-1)
7. Stevens Point 14-4 (StT 1-1, UWO 0-2, StN 2-0)
8. St. Norbert 12-6 (Augustana 0-1, Carthage 0-2, Point 0-2, Beloit 3-1)
9. Hamline 15-9 (Moor 2-0, StO 1-1)
10. St. Olaf 9-6 (WW 1-1, StT 0-2, Grinn 2-0, Ham 1-1, Moor 1-1)
Illinois College 9-6 (Grinn 2-0)
12. Concordia-Moorhead 9-7 (Gust 0-2, Ham 0-2, StO 1-1)
13. Grinnell 11-9 (StO 0-2, Ill. Coll 0-2)
Beloit 11-9 (Augustana 0-1, StN 1-3)
Midwest Region's 5 Big Results of the Week (4/14-20):
Oshkosh swept two games from Stevens Point.
St. Scholastica split two games with Martin Luther.
Illinois College swept two games from Grinnell.
Oshkosh (8-0), St. Thomas (6-0) and Whitewater (5-0) all go undefeated.
Gustavus nine-game winning streak snapped by Macalester.
Midwest Region's Pitching Line of the Week (4/14-20):
Adam Dominick, senior; Steve Hedgepath, junior, Whitewater, vs. Superior (4/20): Combined no-hitter in 13-0(7) win.
Dominick: W (6-1), 5 IP, 2 BB, 9 K.
Hedgepath: 2 IP, 2 BB, 3 K.
Midwest Region's Hitting Line (or 2) of the Week (4/14-20):
Nick Beaman, freshman 3B, Ripon, vs. Carroll (4/16): 5-for-6, 5 R, 6 RBI, 3B, HR in 25-11 win.
Stewart Larson, senior 3B, Stevens Point, vs. Superior (4/14): 3-for-3, 3 R, 6 RBI, 3 HR in 12-2 win.
Must also give a nod to St. Norbert's 16 steals in one game against Carroll (4/19).
Midwest Region's 5 (or 6) Big DH's of the Week (4/21-27):
4/22 St. Thomas vs. Hamline
4/23 Stevens Point vs. Oshkosh
4/23 St. Olaf vs. Gustavus
4/26 St. Thomas vs. Gustavus
4/26-27 Ripon vs. Beloit
1. Ripon 10-0
2. Gustavus 13-3 (Moor 2-0)
3. Whitewater 17-4 (StO 1-1, UWO 2-2)
4. Oshkosh 20-5 (CSS 1-1, StT 1-1, WW 2-2, Point 2-0)
5. St. Thomas 11-3 (CSS 1-1, Point 1-1, UWO 1-1, StO 2-0)
St. Scholastica 11-3 (StT 1-1, UWO 1-1)
7. Stevens Point 14-4 (StT 1-1, UWO 0-2, StN 2-0)
Looks like the 6 teams we said were going to be in the regional are sitting pretty good still regarding their in region records. Dont think Gustavus will be up that high for too much longer with games coming up against Olaf, Thomas, CSS.
Well the NCAA released their little book today. Im guessing Midwest region will only 6 teams since its not that strong (unless they rotate the 8 team regions everywhere not sure) Oshdude you probably know. Also 6 pool B teams help CSS which looks like a lock now. Here is how I think the 6 teams will go as of now, not sure of the 3 WIACs teams yet they just keep beating each other up.
1. WIAC champ
2. St Thomas
3. Ripon
4. WIAC 2nd team
5. CSS
6. WIAC 3rd team
My only fear is that Ripon will keep winning and since the NCAA loves them they will the 1 or 2 seed. I think these are the 6 most deserving teams. Only way these 6 dont make it will be if there is a surprise MWC or MIAC tourney winner.
Yeah, the Oshkosh regional was/is going to be six teams regardless.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 23, 2008, 06:50:46 PM
Well the NCAA released their little book today. Im guessing Midwest region will only 6 teams since its not that strong (unless they rotate the 8 team regions everywhere not sure) Oshdude you probably know. Also 6 pool B teams help CSS which looks like a lock now. Here is how I think the 6 teams will go as of now, not sure of the 3 WIACs teams yet they just keep beating each other up.
1. WIAC champ
2. St Thomas
3. Ripon
4. WIAC 2nd team
5. CSS
6. WIAC 3rd team
My only fear is that Ripon will keep winning and since the NCAA loves them they will the 1 or 2 seed. I think these are the 6 most deserving teams. Only way these 6 dont make it will be if there is a surprise MWC or MIAC tourney winner.
CSS is another loss away from being a B-Pool lock to sitting on the fence. With the Gustavus series cancelled and the St. Thomas game a question mark, they need to win out and they'll be fine. They need to play better than they are right now because none of their conference opponents are going to let them see anything but their #1 or #2.
Rankings are out. Not surprised about the teams, just the order. Although maybe they are not correct if St. Thomas plays in "Minnestoa." Wonder what else they got wrong ...
Even before the Tommie losses to Hamline (StT is now 13-5 in-region), I thought Whitewater would be second behind Oshkosh. And you're right, 10-0 against HS teams doesn't impress the NCAA. Ripon is usally two spots ahead of where I thought they should be, so I predicted they would be again. Glad to see I was wrong on that one.
Thoughts? Only five ranked teams is interesting ... makes me think the NCAA field, as of now, has a Central team going to Oshkosh.
http://ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508 (http://ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508)
Quote from: OshDude on April 24, 2008, 04:49:50 PM
Rankings are out. Not surprised about the teams, just the order. Although maybe they are not correct if St. Thomas plays in "Minnestoa." Wonder what else they got wrong ...
Even before the Tommie losses to Hamline (StT is now 13-5 in-region), I thought Whitewater would be second behind Oshkosh. And you're right, 10-0 against HS teams doesn't impress the NCAA. Ripon is usally two spots ahead of where I thought they should be, so I predicted they would be again. Glad to see I was wrong on that one.
Thoughts? Only five ranked teams is interesting ... makes me think the NCAA field, as of now, has a Central team going to Oshkosh.
http://ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508 (http://ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508)
Why would they only rank 5 teams? I dont get it, but its the NCAA so what else should I expect!...well Im pretty sure CSS will make it as a pool B, because pool B only has about 6 teams that deserve and they are one. Surprised that Ripon isnt higher since NCAA loves them...basically I agree with Oshdude on everything, but dont think a central team will be shipped to the midwest with only a 6 team region
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 24, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 24, 2008, 04:49:50 PM
Rankings are out. Not surprised about the teams, just the order. Although maybe they are not correct if St. Thomas plays in "Minnestoa." Wonder what else they got wrong ...
Even before the Tommie losses to Hamline (StT is now 13-5 in-region), I thought Whitewater would be second behind Oshkosh. And you're right, 10-0 against HS teams doesn't impress the NCAA. Ripon is usally two spots ahead of where I thought they should be, so I predicted they would be again. Glad to see I was wrong on that one.
Thoughts? Only five ranked teams is interesting ... makes me think the NCAA field, as of now, has a Central team going to Oshkosh.
http://ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508 (http://ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508)
Why would they only rank 5 teams? I dont get it, but its the NCAA so what else should I expect!...well Im pretty sure CSS will make it as a pool B, because pool B only has about 6 teams that deserve and they are one. Surprised that Ripon isnt higher since NCAA loves them...basically I agree with Oshdude on everything, but dont think a central team will be shipped to the midwest with only a 6 team region
I don't think so either. I hope CSS makes the next rankings, so that's not the case. But as of today, another team would be in Oshkosh to complete the regional. That's what those rankings expressed. It said CSS is not as good as the 54 other ranked teams, of which only five are traditional Midwest teams.
I took my beef to the national regional rankings board. We can only hope the NCAA was only kidding with the first rankings. If it's not a joke and CSS is worse than St. John Fisher and East Bay, CSS may never reach the rankings because it doesn't have anything left on the schedule, if St. Thomas and St. Olaf remain off the sked.
Pathetic either way, if you ask me.
Oshdude I appreciate your thoughts on CSS being in the midwest rankings. I seriously dont think CSS gets respect from the NCAA, but every team in the midwest does respect them. I know Thomas, Olaf, Point and pretty sure Olaf does. Look at last year Point pitched Zimmerman against CSS the #6 seed. In my opinion some teams would pitch their #2 in that situation.
On the other side CSS is hurt by the lack of success last 2 years 1-4. I heard the MIAC is not allowing games outside the conference until all conference games are played. So CSS might be out of luck playing GA, Olaf, Thomas. But should not be CSSs fault. IMO the entire midwest region could win the central, the best team of the central would struggle winning in the midwest.
To confirm my thought on the NCAA not respecting CSS. 2006 36-4 opens the season with sweeps of #3 Wartburg and #13?? Thomas. They were ranked #4 by ABCA and got the #4 seed in midwest. 2007 34-6 less impressive wins but great record, perhaps lucky to make regional at #6 seed but still drew the best pitcher in D3 in game 1
The silver lining is what Pat wrote on the national board. CSS doesn't necessarily need to be regionally ranked to get in as a Pool B. CSS has to be the No. 6 team in the Midwest.
But Ralph says the NCAA is doing regional baseball rankings this year like it does with football and men's hoops, with a rough regional allotment to the rankings based on the number of championship-eligible teams in each region. The result is the MW gets five ranked teams because it's by far the smallest region with only 30 teams.
The MW committee gets to take a list longer than the current five teams to the national committee. My guess is it may come down to CSS, Concordia-Chicago, Rockford and Emory for two spots, if everything holds. Let me know if I missed a team there. And no, I don't think East Bay should be in the previous sentence.
Unless something funny happens, Chapman, Salisbury, Ithaca and Piedmont appear to be Pool B locks. There's always Pool C for CSS ... but I highly doubt it.
OWP (opponent's winning %), QOWi (quality of wins index) and records against regionally ranked teams of what I think are the top 10 teams in the Midwest Region, through 4/24. I included all regionally ranked opponents and not just the ones that count toward in-region games. I figured the QOWi and OWP using only in-region records.
More teams than will be selected, but there should be some movement until the end of the season. Wanted to make it deep enough.
Team, in-region record, OWP, QOWi, (record vs. regionally ranked teams)
1. Oshkosh, 21-6, .618, 10.56, (Whitewater 2-2, Stevens Point 3-1, St. Thomas 1-1)
2. St. Thomas, 13-5, .631, 10.22, (Oshkosh 1-1, Stevens Point 1-1, Trinity-Conn. 0-1, EDIT: Amherst 1-0)
3. Whitewater, 22-4, .542, 9.50, (Oshkosh 2-2)
4. Stevens Point, 17-5, .617, 8.91, (St. Thomas 1-1, Oshkosh 1-3, Wooster 0-2)
5. Ripon, 12-0, .418, 10.25, (EDIT: RPI 0-1)
In no particular order:
St. Norbert, 14-6, .563, 8.35, (Augustana 0-1, Carthage 0-2, Stevens Point 0-2, Mt. St. Joe 1-0)
St. Olaf, 13-6, .619, 10.37, (Whitewater 1-1, St. Thomas 0-2)
Gustavus, 14-5, .425, 9.05, (Keene St. 0-2)
Hamline, 17-11, .470, 8.50, (St. Thomas 2-0, Roger Williams 1-1, Johns Hopkins 0-1)
St. Scholastica, 15-3, .555, 9.56, (Oshkosh 1-1, St. Thomas 1-1, Elizabethtown 1-0, Alvernia 1-1)
If I am St. Olaf & CSS right now I am LIVID, are you kidding me with Ripon. There key wins for the season in Marion. The MWC is worst than the UMAC and considerably worst than the MIAC. At the time Ripon was 10-0 in region which is probably the reason they made the list. But the fact is that they can only rank 5 teams based on the size of the region. In the book it states that there is no maximum or minimum amount of bids from a single region, so I dont believe there is an issue for CSS, from my calculations I have them as the 5th Pool B barring they lose another conference game. Rockford still has to deal with ILL-Wes & Carthage, I dont see them splitting those series. Plus they have no wins over a ranked opponent. Bottom line CSS has to win out and St. Olaf needs a good run to the MIAC title game.
oshdude,
can you explain to me why ripons QOWI is typically high year in and year out considering how weak their schedule is and their lack of big wins?
St. Olaf's QOWi is boosted a bit by its opponents being right at .500 in some cases.
Even if Point sweeps Ripon, those are nice games for RC's cause. If RC wins one or both? Golden.
That Ripon team is good, though. Not so sure about pitching depth, but RC can hit with, and against, anyone. That loss to RPI and Zongol, an A-A candidate, has some qualifiers attached. But those are neither here nor there, and it doesn't matter in the scheme of things because it was nonregional. Let's see how RC fares against Point and SNC before writing them off as a team created by its schedule to date.
RC's biggest games are against Norbert, IMO. RC needs three over SNC. Then again, even RC will probably need to win the MWC Pool A bid. Hard to imagine two MWC teams in, even though SNC and RC are very good.
Ripon (Beloit) and Whitewater (La Crosse) only managed splits today, adding some intrigue to the proceedings.
Quote from: bigbadbaseballman on April 25, 2008, 05:22:15 PM
oshdude,
can you explain to me why ripons QOWI is typically high year in and year out considering how weak their schedule is and their lack of big wins?
RC beats teams that it should. Rarely does RC throw a stinker in there, and that's a huge part of the QOWi. Beat the teams you should and everything works out, especially if you can steal a game from a .667 team.
A loss to Norbert is usually a good loss, according to the formula.
Quote from: OshDude on April 26, 2008, 10:13:40 PM
Ripon (Beloit) and Whitewater (La Crosse) only managed splits today, adding some intrigue to the proceedings.
That makes things pretty interesting, especially if Ripon doesnt get a sweep tomorrow. I think thats a big loss considering they are looking at most likely a couple losses in those last 6 games. Ripon is looking like they need to win the conference tourney more and more to make the regional
Quote from: OshDude on April 26, 2008, 10:13:40 PM
Ripon (Beloit) and Whitewater (La Crosse) only managed splits today, adding some intrigue to the proceedings.
St. Norbert also split yesterday with Lawrence, to make things interesting there as well.....
Today, Ripon sweeps Beloit, but what I found most interesting was the omission of Ripon 3B Nick Beaman from both box scores. Looking back at yesterdays games, it appears he finished both games, and was not hit by a pitch or anything. I would be curious to know what is up there....
Team, in-region record through 4/27, OWP and records vs. regionally ranked teams – nonregion ranked teams)
1. Oshkosh, 23-6, .584 (Whitewater 2-2, Stevens Point 3-1, St. Thomas 1-1)
2. St. Thomas, 13-5, .641 (Oshkosh 1-1, Stevens Point 1-1, Trinity-Conn. 0-1, Amherst 1-0)
3. Whitewater, 25-5, .546 (Oshkosh 2-2, Point?)
4. Stevens Point, 18-6, .553 (St. Thomas 1-1, Oshkosh 1-3, Ripon?, Whitewater? Wooster 0-2)
5. Ripon, 15-1, .429 (Point?, RPI 0-1)
In no particular order:
St. Norbert, 17-7, .523 (Augustana 0-1, Carthage 0-2, Stevens Point 0-2, Ripon?, Mt. St. Joe 1-0)
St. Olaf, 14-6, .588 (Whitewater 1-1, St. Thomas 0-2)
Gustavus, 14-5, .427 (St. Thomas?, Keene St. 0-2)
Hamline, 17-11, .466 (St. Thomas 2-0, Roger Williams 1-1, Johns Hopkins 0-1)
St. Scholastica, 17-3, .536 (Oshkosh 1-1, St. Thomas 1-1, Elizabethtown 1-0, Alvernia 1-1)
Midwest Region's 5 Big Results of the Week (4/21-27):
Hamline swept two games from St. Thomas.
Stevens Point split two games with Oshkosh.
St. Olaf swept two games from Gustavus.
Ripon won three of four games over Beloit.
Whitewater won three of four games over La Crosse.
Midwest Region's 5 Big DH's of the Week (4/28-5/4):
4/28 4/29 St. Thomas vs. Gustavus
4/29 4/30 Stevens Point vs. Ripon
4/30 Gustavus vs. Hamline
5/2-3 Whitewater vs. Stevens Point (4 games)
5/3-4 Ripon vs. St. Norbert (4 games)
Point vs Ripon now scheduled for Wednesday.
Point beat Stout in game 2 25-5.
Pretty interesting that 6 Midwest teams are ranked in the top 27 in todays poll
7 teams if you throw in st olaf who got a couple votes
Quote from: bigbadbaseballman on April 29, 2008, 06:33:07 PM
7 teams if you throw in st olaf who got a couple votes
Well there about 20 teams between Olaf and CSS so that would be 7 in 45. 6 in 27 sounds better.
Does anyone definitively know the provisional/reclassifying status of the following UMAC teams? Do these team qualify as in-region in terms of in-region record and OWP? Handbook says third-and fourth-year members are counted toward the primary criteria. I'm not well versed in UMAC history.
Crown
Bethany Lutheran
Minnesota-Morris
Northwestern
Presentation
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2008, 09:23:49 PM
Does anyone definitively know the provisional/reclassifying status of the following UMAC teams? Do these team qualify as in-region in terms of in-region record and OWP? Handbook says third-and fourth-year members are counted toward the primary criteria. I'm not well versed in UMAC history.
Crown
Bethany Lutheran
Minnesota-Morris
Northwestern
Presentation
Thanks in advance.
I was under the impression that the entire UMAC is good to go to count as in region games. And I believe the UMAC will get an automatic bid in 2010 so that would make everyone at least a third year provisional, but think some are more than that. sorry cant help more and give u a definite answer!
From what Ive seen a UMAC team does not get an auto bid until 2010.
Im guessing on this but Presentation, Bethany, and northwestern are considered in region.
Thanks guys. Morris is the biggest question for me. If Morris counts, the whole conference should. Then again, my UMAC history knowledge is sketchy at best.
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2008, 09:23:49 PM
Does anyone definitively know the provisional/reclassifying status of the following UMAC teams? Do these team qualify as in-region in terms of in-region record and OWP? Handbook says third-and fourth-year members are counted toward the primary criteria. I'm not well versed in UMAC history.
Crown
Bethany Lutheran
Minnesota-Morris
Northwestern
Presentation
Thanks in advance.
I did a little research on this and all teams in the UMAC are in region games, there are three teams that have already served their probationary period (CSS, Martin Luther,Northland Coll.) and are eligible for the tourney. But the entire conference is now a DIII conference and are counted as in region games, some just have to wait for the probation period to end. I believe that the UMAC conference will be an AQ conference in 2010 after waiting the two year period from the time that all affiliated members become DIII. As of last season Martin Luther and Northland were the in region wins CSS could count.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 30, 2008, 10:30:29 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2008, 09:23:49 PM
Does anyone definitively know the provisional/reclassifying status of the following UMAC teams? Do these team qualify as in-region in terms of in-region record and OWP? Handbook says third-and fourth-year members are counted toward the primary criteria. I'm not well versed in UMAC history.
Crown
Bethany Lutheran
Minnesota-Morris Reclassifying from D-II; Full Member in Fall, 2008
Northwestern
Presentation Full member in Fall 2009
Thanks in advance.
I did a little research on this and all teams in the UMAC are in region games, there are three teams that have already served their probationary period (CSS, Martin Luther,Northland Coll.) and are eligible for the tourney. But the entire conference is now a DIII conference and are counted as in region games, some just have to wait for the probation period to end. I believe that the UMAC conference will be an AQ conference in 2010 after waiting the two year period from the time that all affiliated members become DIII. As of last season Martin Luther and Northland were the in region wins CSS could count.
Good job on the research and the UMAC. +1
MN-Morris should complete reclassification from D-II this summer.
The UMAC should get its baseball AQ in 2011. Games versus provisional members in their 3rd and 4th years count as in-region games.
Thanks again, fellas. The entire UMAC counting toward CSS's in-region record makes things much easier to calculate.
All my CSS calculations to date assumed all UMAC games are now in-region, but I needed the extra knowledge to make that official. The NCAA doesn't crunch numbers based on my strong hunches. At least I don't think it does :).
So nothing has been skewed in my earlier posted CSS in-region records and/or OWP.
Team, in-region record through 4/30, OWP and records vs. regionally ranked teams – nonregion ranked teams
1. Oshkosh, 25-6, .591 (Whitewater 2-2, Stevens Point 3-1, St. Thomas 1-1)
2. St. Thomas, 15-5, .645 (Oshkosh 1-1, Stevens Point 1-1, Trinity-Conn. 0-1, Amherst 1-0)
3. Whitewater, 27-5, .560 (Oshkosh 2-2, Point?)
4. Stevens Point, 21-7, .582 (St. Thomas 1-1, Oshkosh 1-3, Ripon 1-1, Whitewater?, Wooster 0-2)
5. Ripon, 16-2, .496 (Stevens Point 1-1, RPI 0-1)
In no particular order:
St. Norbert, 18-8, .538 (Augustana 0-1, Carthage 0-2, Stevens Point 0-2, Ripon?, Mt. St. Joe 1-0)
St. Olaf, 17-6, .570 (Whitewater 1-1, St. Thomas 0-2)
St. Scholastica, 18-3, .510 (Oshkosh 1-1, St. Thomas 1-1, Elizabethtown 1-0, Alvernia 1-1)
Gustavus played itself off the list with four losses, including two to Hamline. Hamline falls off with a loss to St. John's and nothing on the schedule will get Hamline's OWP (currently .460) anywhere near .500. St. Norbert remains because it still has the pivotal Ripon four-game series on the schedule.
Some one-time trivia (because it takes too long to calculate): the 30 MW Region teams have a combined 392-349-1 (.529) in-region record. Even when incorporating the other five provisional UMAC teams, which are a combined 31-60 in-region, the MW in-region winning percentage is .508.
The MW is a combined 26-10 vs. the NATHcon, including 2-1 vs. Rockford (Platteville 1-0, Beloit 1-1).
The MW is a combined 4-12 vs. the CCIW (three of the wins are over lowly Elmhurst, although only three over-.500 in-region MW teams have played CCIW teams).
The MW is a combined 21-25 vs. the IIAC.
The MW is a combined 12-5 vs. the SLIAC.
The new rankings are out. Nice to see St. Scholastica make it in. Ripon dropped out.
http://ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508
Quote from: BRONKO7 on May 01, 2008, 03:06:26 PM
The new rankings are out. Nice to see St. Scholastica make it in. Ripon dropped out.
http://ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508
A little surprised that Ripon dropped out and thats before last nights split but I would probably agree with the rankings even though CSS should be above Point in my opinion. But think they got it right now with those 5 teams ranked
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 01, 2008, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: BRONKO7 on May 01, 2008, 03:06:26 PM
The new rankings are out. Nice to see St. Scholastica make it in. Ripon dropped out.
http://ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508
A little surprised that Ripon dropped out and thats before last nights split but I would probably agree with the rankings even though CSS should be above Point in my opinion. But think they got it right now with those 5 teams ranked
Strength of schedule for Point is one of the best in the country, that is why. Don't let the record fool you that is a very good team that has played some very good teams.
Big split today between Ripon and St. Norbert. Not a bad loss either way, but it may take Ripon out of the running for a Pool C. I thought Ripon needed a four-game sweep this weekend to move back into the regional rankings.
Quote from: OshDude on May 03, 2008, 07:15:27 PM
Big split today between Ripon and St. Norbert. Not a bad loss either way, but it may take Ripon out of the running for a Pool C. I thought Ripon needed a four-game sweep this weekend to move back into the regional rankings.
Yea I would think that would keep Ripon out of the regional rankings and definitely need the conference tourney to get into the regional. St Olaf might be ahead of Ripon now
Quote from: OshDude on May 03, 2008, 07:15:27 PM
Big split today between Ripon and St. Norbert. Not a bad loss either way, but it may take Ripon out of the running for a Pool C.
Well you can remove them FOR SURE now, as they are swept by St. Norbert today, 4-2 and 8-2. It's either win the MWC Tournament, or go home for the Red Hawks.
Does anyone else think UWSP Center Fielder Brandon Scheidler is one of the most underrated players in D3?
Well I dont know every D3 player and think there are probably some other players that dont get talked about when they should. Underrated in entire D3 probably not, Underrated for midwest region maybe, Underrated on USP probably.
The fact of the matter his stats dont have much too them except for a fairly good average.
New National Rankings out UWW at UWO in top ten at 8 and 10. St. Thomas at 13 and CSS jumps to 21, Point drops to 23.
Interesting Ripon barely dropped for their poor weekend.
Still Midwest very strong with 5 teams in top 23 and 6 in top 26
Quote from: OshDude on May 07, 2008, 01:05:14 AM
Here's my projection. Hope no horse dies this time as a result of my educated guesses.
Team, in-region record through 5/6, OWP and records vs. (at least) one-time regionally ranked teams (plus St. Olaf) – nonregion ranked teams
1. Whitewater, 30-6, .559 (Oshkosh 2-2, Point 3-1, St. Olaf 1-1)
2. St. Thomas, 21-5, .586 (Oshkosh 1-1, Stevens Point 1-1, St. Olaf 2-0, Trinity-Conn. 0-1, Amherst 1-0)
3. Oshkosh, 28-7, .587 (Whitewater 2-2, Stevens Point 3-1, St. Thomas 1-1)
4. St. Olaf, 19-6, .565 (Whitewater 1-1, St. Thomas 0-2, Wartburg 1-1)
5. St. Scholastica, 21-3, .557 (Oshkosh 1-1, St. Thomas 1-1, Elizabethtown 1-0, Alvernia 1-1)
In no particular order:
Stevens Point, 22-10, .616 (St. Thomas 1-1, Oshkosh 1-3, Ripon 1-1, Whitewater 1-3, Wooster 0-2)
St. Norbert, 21-9, .549 (Augustana 0-1, Carthage 0-2, Stevens Point 0-2, Ripon 3-1, Mt. St. Joe 1-0)
There are a few regular-season DH's and a huge game between Bethel and St. Olaf to be played on Wednesday. The DH's will have very little effect on these OWPs, but if Olaf were to lose tomorrow, Point could be back in at No. 5.
Hard to deny Point's OWP, though. Olaf and Point could be closer than we (just I?) think.
Nice job Oshdude, Im guessing you are predicting that Ripon is not even close anymore after losing 3 of 4 to Norbert.
Like I have stated before I would probably put Scholastica in front of Olaf, a much better record overall and something I think may be pretty key is CSS split with Thomas, Olaf got swept. Its going to help CSS when they will most likely go 3-0 in their tourney. Olaf has a big game tomorrow (is that correct?) then has to play their tourney and dont see them making it through 4 games without a loss this will help CSS to get a better seed and potentially let STP sneek in.
Why is Olaf even playing that game against Bethel? They already know they are the 2 seed and dont get a lot of reward if they win. But can hurt a lot if they lose. Seems like Olaf could justify not playing a game 2 days before the tourney
Here's my updated projection with new info. Hope no horse dies this time as a result of my educated guesses.
Team, in-region record through 5/6, OWP, OOWP* and records vs. (at least) one-time regionally ranked teams (plus St. Olaf) – nonregion ranked teams
1. Whitewater, 30-6, .559, .553 (Oshkosh 2-2, Point 3-1, St. Olaf 1-1)
2. St. Thomas, 21-5, .586, .522 (Oshkosh 1-1, Stevens Point 1-1, St. Olaf 2-0, Trinity-Conn. 0-1, Amherst 1-0)
3. Oshkosh, 28-7, .587, .557 (Whitewater 2-2, Stevens Point 3-1, St. Thomas 1-1)
4. St. Olaf, 19-6, .565, .510 (Whitewater 1-1, St. Thomas 0-2, Wartburg 1-1)
5. St. Scholastica, 21-3, .557, .481 (Oshkosh 1-1, St. Thomas 1-1, Elizabethtown 1-0, Alvernia 1-1)
In no particular order:
Stevens Point, 22-10, .616, .555 (St. Thomas 1-1, Oshkosh 1-3, Ripon 1-1, Whitewater 1-3, Wooster 0-2)
St. Norbert, 21-9, .549, .514 (Augustana 0-1, Carthage 0-2, Stevens Point 0-2, Ripon 3-1, Mt. St. Joe 1-0)
There are a few regular-season DH's and a huge game between Bethel and St. Olaf to be played on Wednesday. The DH's will have very little affect on these OWPs and OOWPs, but if Olaf were to lose tomorrow, Point could be back in at No. 5.
Hard to deny Point's OWP and OOWP, though. Olaf and Point could be closer than we (just I?) think.
*If you only knew how long that took me ... with about 1,000,000 calculations, give me a +/- .005-ish margin of error.
Quote from: OshDude on May 07, 2008, 05:16:16 AM
Here's my updated projection with new info. Hope no horse dies this time as a result of my educated guesses.
Team, in-region record through 5/6, OWP, OOWP* and records vs. (at least) one-time regionally ranked teams (plus St. Olaf) – nonregion ranked teams
1. Whitewater, 30-6, .559, .553 (Oshkosh 2-2, Point 3-1, St. Olaf 1-1)
2. St. Thomas, 21-5, .586, .522 (Oshkosh 1-1, Stevens Point 1-1, St. Olaf 2-0, Trinity-Conn. 0-1, Amherst 1-0)
3. Oshkosh, 28-7, .587, .557 (Whitewater 2-2, Stevens Point 3-1, St. Thomas 1-1)
4. St. Olaf, 19-6, .565, .510 (Whitewater 1-1, St. Thomas 0-2, Wartburg 1-1)
5. St. Scholastica, 21-3, .557, .481 (Oshkosh 1-1, St. Thomas 1-1, Elizabethtown 1-0, Alvernia 1-1 Juniata 2-0)
In no particular order:
Stevens Point, 22-10, .616, .555 (St. Thomas 1-1, Oshkosh 1-3, Ripon 1-1, Whitewater 1-3, Wooster 0-2)
St. Norbert, 21-9, .549, .514 (Augustana 0-1, Carthage 0-2, Stevens Point 0-2, Ripon 3-1, Mt. St. Joe 1-0)
There are a few regular-season DH's and a huge game between Bethel and St. Olaf to be played on Wednesday. The DH's will have very little affect on these OWPs and OOWPs, but if Olaf were to lose tomorrow, Point could be back in at No. 5.
Hard to deny Point's OWP and OOWP, though. Olaf and Point could be closer than we (just I?) think.
*If you only knew how long that took me ... with about 1,000,000 calculations, give me a +/- .005-ish margin of error.
Very nice work! Must have some time on your hands
Quote from: OshDude on May 07, 2008, 01:05:14 AM
Here's my projection. Hope no horse dies this time as a result of my educated guesses.
Team, in-region record through 5/6, OWP and records vs. (at least) one-time regionally ranked teams (plus St. Olaf) – nonregion ranked teams
1. Whitewater, 30-6, .559 (Oshkosh 2-2, Point 3-1, St. Olaf 1-1)
2. St. Thomas, 21-5, .586 (Oshkosh 1-1, Stevens Point 1-1, St. Olaf 2-0, Trinity-Conn. 0-1, Amherst 1-0)
3. Oshkosh, 28-7, .587 (Whitewater 2-2, Stevens Point 3-1, St. Thomas 1-1)
4. St. Olaf, 19-6, .565 (Whitewater 1-1, St. Thomas 0-2, Wartburg 1-1)
5. St. Scholastica, 21-3, .557 (Oshkosh 1-1, St. Thomas 1-1, Elizabethtown 1-0, Alvernia 1-1)
In no particular order:
Stevens Point, 22-10, .616 (St. Thomas 1-1, Oshkosh 1-3, Ripon 1-1, Whitewater 1-3, Wooster 0-2)
St. Norbert, 21-9, .549 (Augustana 0-1, Carthage 0-2, Stevens Point 0-2, Ripon 3-1, Mt. St. Joe 1-0)
There are a few regular-season DH's and a huge game between Bethel and St. Olaf to be played on Wednesday. The DH's will have very little effect on these OWPs, but if Olaf were to lose tomorrow, Point could be back in at No. 5.
Hard to deny Point's OWP, though. Olaf and Point could be closer than we (just I?) think.
Great job, dude! +1 and thanks! ;)
Please remember, fans. The OWP does not include the games against that opponent. :)
MIAC
1 UST vs 4 Gustavus Lonnie Robinson vs Dave Wold
2 Olaf vs 3 Hamline Todd Mathison vs Josh Roiger
WIAC
1 UWW vs 4 LaCrosse Mike Jacobson/Aaron Dott vs Ross Benitz
2 Oshkosh vs 3 Point Demmin vs Who wants the ball have to have the win Mike Thrun
UMAC
1 CSS vs To be determined
2 Bethany Lutheran vs To be determined
CSS will go 3-0 throw Peter Burg, Adian Kummet, Steve Gerten, others
MWC
2N Ripon vs 1S Knox Mike Lloyd/Matt Dwyer vs Jordan Ball
1N Norbert vs 2S Monmouth Jake Gasser vs Michael Reed
So I included probable game 1 starters IMO. Its hard to actually pick because some teams might throw off in their 1st game. So in that situation I tried to guess a number 3-4 starter. For example, what does UWW do? Do they throw Dominick or Dott in the first game to assure a win or do they take a chance with a 3 or 4 and then have your 2 guys for the last 2 games. So obviously my starters wont be correct on some cases.
Projected winner IMO
WIAC
UWW-have the benefit of not having to throw 1 or 2 in the first game unlike UWO and STP
MIAC
St. Thomas--Olaf needs to be Roiger or they could be sitting at home during the regional. Thomas wins it though
UMAC
CSS--will outscore their opponents 39-4
MWC
St. Norbert--will finally win it
Feel free to throw out your projections gives us something to discuss prior to these tourneys
Actually, due to tiebreakers Hamline is the 3 seed and Gustavus is the 4 - so I predict that St. Thomas will win the tournament since they don't have to face Roiger.
UST 6 - Gustavus 2
Hamline 2 - Olaf 1
UST 8 - Hamline 5
Olaf 8 - Gustavus 3 (Gustavus Eliminated)
Olaf 9 - Hamline 4 (Hamline Eliminated)
UST 13 - Olaf 3
let's see how wrong I can be...
Quote from: tommiepitcher on May 07, 2008, 11:36:49 AM
Actually, due to tiebreakers Hamline is the 3 seed and Gustavus is the 4 - so I predict that St. Thomas will win the tournament since they don't have to face Roiger.
UST 6 - Gustavus 2
Hamline 2 - Olaf 1
UST 8 - Hamline 5
Olaf 8 - Gustavus 3 (Gustavus Eliminated)
Olaf 9 - Hamline 4 (Hamline Eliminated)
UST 13 - Olaf 3
let's see how wrong I can be...
Wow I screwed that one up
I like St. Thomas, Oshkosh and Ripon in the tourneys. Oh, and CSS in its thing-a-ma-jig, too. Hard for me to call that a tournament.
I'll go with Pool C's Olaf and Whitewater, and Pool B CSS, to round out the Oshkosh field.
Pat, Ralph, Jim, other smartypants folks,
OOWP is the average of all winning percentages and not the quotient of all the raw numbers, correct? That's how I understood the Handbook's "averaging the percentages."
Ex: Whitewater had 12 in-region opponents. I figured each opponent's OWP, added all 12 OWPs, and then divided that number by 12.
I didn't take Oshkosh's 199-140 opponent record, add Point's 175-109, etc., and then find the quotient.
I know St. Olaf has an impressive record but let's be realistic here. Point would 10 run rule them as would Oshkosh and Whitewater. Point probably had the toughest schedule in D3.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 07, 2008, 07:31:40 PM
I know St. Olaf has an impressive record but let's be realistic here. Point would 10 run rule them as would Oshkosh and Whitewater. Point probably had the toughest schedule in D3.
That's a ridiculous claim. St. Olaf already beat Whitewater (the WIAC champs) 5-0 and lost a close one to them 8-7. There's always been a superiority complex associated with WIAC teams when comparing themselves to MIAC in baseball. Many times it's been justified, as we have seen over the past several years with the success of Point, Oshkosh and WW. However, this time it isn't. St. Olaf is a legitimate team with legitimate pitching and more athleticism than any of the top WIAC teams. Also, it doesn't matter who has the toughest schedule, Olaf has proven it can play with the big teams over the past couple years, and this year as well. If I were a Stevens Point fan, I would worry more about this weekend's conf. tourney and MAKING the playoffs before talking about the other regional teams. I think that's being more realistic.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 07, 2008, 07:31:40 PM
I know St. Olaf has an impressive record but let's be realistic here. Point would 10 run rule them as would Oshkosh and Whitewater. Point probably had the toughest schedule in D3.
Notre Dame football has the toughest schedule too but they dont play for a national championship...yes they have a tough schedule but they need to win more of their games. Stevens Point lost 14 games and Olaf is better than half of those teams are their schedule so to say stevens point would ten run them is just ridiculous
Quote from: OshDude on May 07, 2008, 06:24:37 PM
Pat, Ralph, Jim, other smartypants folks,
OOWP is the average of all winning percentages and not the quotient of all the raw numbers, correct? That's how I understood the Handbook's "averaging the percentages."
Ex: Whitewater had 12 in-region opponents. I figured each opponent's OWP, added all 12 OWPs, and then divided that number by 12.
I didn't take Oshkosh's 199-140 opponent record, add Point's 175-109, etc., and then find the quotient.
Sorry cant help you out on that
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 07, 2008, 10:28:39 AM
MIAC
1 UST vs 4 Gustavus Lonnie Robinson vs Dave Wold
2 Olaf vs 3 Hamline Todd Mathison vs Josh Roiger
WIAC
1 UWW vs 4 LaCrosse Mike Jacobson/Aaron Dott vs Ross Benitz
2 Oshkosh vs 3 Point Demmin vs Who wants the ball have to have the win Mike Thrun
UMAC
1 CSS vs To be determined
2 Bethany Lutheran vs To be determined
CSS will go 3-0 throw Peter Burg, Adian Kummet, Steve Gerten, others
MWC
2N Ripon vs 1S Knox Mike Lloyd/Matt Dwyer vs Jordan Ball
1N Norbert vs 2S Monmouth Jake Gasser vs Michael Reed
So I included probable game 1 starters IMO. Its hard to actually pick because some teams might throw off in their 1st game. So in that situation I tried to guess a number 3-4 starter. For example, what does UWW do? Do they throw Dominick or Dott in the first game to assure a win or do they take a chance with a 3 or 4 and then have your 2 guys for the last 2 games. So obviously my starters wont be correct on some cases.
Projected winner IMO
WIAC
UWW-have the benefit of not having to throw 1 or 2 in the first game unlike UWO and STP
MIAC
St. Thomas--Olaf needs to be Roiger or they could be sitting at home during the regional. Thomas wins it though
UMAC
CSS--will outscore their opponents 39-4
MWC
St. Norbert--will finally win it
Feel free to throw out your projections gives us something to discuss prior to these tourneys
I think the MIAC pitching matchups are VERY tough to guess. Does USt go with Robinson against GAC, or do they throw a Fahey/Kramer/Schuld and save Robinson? Denning saved Robinson until the 4th playoff game last year. Does GAC go with the senior, Wold, with his 6+ conf era or the soph, Bren? Does StO go with Mathison, Johnson, or Dimick? Does Verdugo try to save Roiger for USt?
Should be interesting.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 07, 2008, 07:31:40 PM
I know St. Olaf has an impressive record but let's be realistic here. Point would 10 run rule them as would Oshkosh and Whitewater. Point probably had the toughest schedule in D3.
I would not count Olaf out of any game. And believe me, if Mathison pitches there are not going to be a lot of runs scored. He really has only had about 3 bad outings in career.
Don't forget that they lost the first 4 hitters in their lineup from last year (3 to graduation, 1 to the draft) but are actually averaging more runs/game
I know their good but I still think in a game that matters such as regionals I would take Whitewater, Oshkosh, or Point over St. Olaf this year.
Here's a nice little summary of Midwest/Central regionals that involve teams from Wisconsin. (It came off of a web page about Wisconsin sports.) If I can this weekend, I'll see if I can keep it updated.
WIAC (http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/baseball/08tournament.html)
at Wisconsin Rapids (Witter Field)
Friday, May 9
Game #1--UW-Whitewater (#1) vs. UW-La Crosse (#4), 10 a.m.
Game #2--UW-Oshkosh (#2) vs. UW-Stevens Point (#3), 1 p.m.
Game #3--Loser of Game #1 vs. Loser of Game #2, 4 p.m.
Game #4--Winner of Game #1 vs. Winner of Game #2, 7 p.m.
Saturday, May 10
Game #5--Winner of Game #3 vs. Loser of Game #4, Noon
Game #6--Winner of Game #4 vs. Winner of Game #5, 3 p.m.
Game #7--If necessary (same teams as Game #6), 6 p.m.
NAC (http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/nacbaseball/2008/)
at Rockford, Ill. (Road Ranger Stadium)
Friday, May 9
Game #1--Benedictine Univ. (#1) vs. Concordia Chicago (#4), 9 a.m.
Game #2--Rockford College (#2) vs. Marian College (#3), 12:30 p.m.
Game #3--Winner of Game #1 vs. Winner of Game #2, 4 p.m.
Game #4--Loser of Game #1 vs. Loser of Game #2, 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, May 10
Game #5--Winner of Game #3 vs. Loser of Game #4, 10:00 a.m.
Game #6--Winner of Game #4 vs. Winner of Game #5, 1:30 p.m.
Game #7--If necessary (same teams as Game #6), 5:00 p.m.
MWC (http://www.midwestconference.org/baseball/)
at Galesburg, Ill. (Knox and Monmouth, hosts)
Friday, May 9
Game #1--Ripon College (#2N) at Knox College (#1S), 11 a.m.
Game #2--St. Norbert College (#1N) at Monmouth College (#2N), 11 a.m.
Game #3--Winner of Game #1 vs. Winner of Game #2, 3 p.m. (at Knox)
Game #4--Loser of Game #1 vs. Loser of Game #2, 3 p.m. (at Monmouth)
Saturday, May 10 (all at Knox)
Game #5--Winner of Game #3 vs. Loser of Game #4, 9:30 a.m.
Game #6--Winner of Game #4 vs. Winner of Game #5, 12:30 p.m.
Game #7--If necessary (same teams as Game #6), 3:30 p.m.
CCIW (http://www.cciw.org/spring_baseball/2008bbtournamentpage.php)
at Bloomington, Ill. (Illinois Wesleyan, host)
Thursday, May 8
Game #1--Illinois Wesleyan (#1) vs. Wheaton College (#4), 3 p.m.
Game #2--Carthage College (#2) vs. Augustana College (#3), 6 p.m.
Friday, May 9
Game #3--Winner of Game #1 vs. Winner of Game #2, 11 a.m.
Game #4--Loser of Game #1 vs. Loser of Game #2, 2:30 p.m.
Game #5--Winner of Game #3 vs. Loser of Game #4, 6 p.m.
Saturday, May 10
Game #6--Winner of Game #4 vs. Winner of Game #5, 12 p.m.
Game #7--If necessary (same teams as Game #6), 30 min. after
Quote from: ShineTime on May 08, 2008, 12:21:04 PM
I know their good but I still think in a game that matters such as regionals I would take Whitewater, Oshkosh, or Point over St. Olaf this year.
Well, watch them play this weekend and you may think otherwise.
If you have a MW baseball jones today, CSS is broadcasting the UMAC tourney. CSS is actually getting a game right now from Martin Luther in the opener, too.
Currently 5-0 CSS in the 7th (Was 3-0 for a long time). CSS even trying to squeeze in a run right now. Gerten started and is still in for CSS.
EDIT: CSS wins 5-0. Gerten CG SHO, 10 K, 0 BB.
CSS to play Northland at 7 p.m.
Follow 560 link at bottom:
http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp (http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp)
Quote from: OshDude on May 08, 2008, 04:43:17 PM
If you have a MW baseball jones today, CSS is broadcasting the UMAC tourney. CSS is actually getting a game right now from Martin Luther in the opener, too.
Currently 5-0 CSS in the 7th (Was 3-0 for a long time). CSS even trying to squeeze in a run right now. Gerten started and is still in for CSS.
Follow 560 link at bottom:
http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp (http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp)
CSS threw off by throwing their number 3 Steve Gerten and Martin Luther threw their #1 Zach Pudlo who actually beat CSS a few weeks earlier.
CSS won 5-0 Steve Gerten threw a complete game 9 inning shutout striking out 10 batters. Play at 7 tonight and im guessing will be on the radio again follow Oshdudes link
CSS baseball back on the air. Second round of UMAC tourney vs. Northland.
http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp (http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp)
Quote from: OshDude on May 08, 2008, 08:09:54 PM
CSS baseball back on the air. Second round of UMAC tourney vs. Northland.
http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp (http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp)
CSS wins again something like 14-1 in 7.
Peter Burg improves to 10-0 6innings 8Ks
Sean Claugherty had 4 hits including a HR.
Steve Kraushaar had 4 hits, 6 RBIs-2 doubles and 2 HRs one of the HRs cleared the scoreboard in right center probably 40 feet high.
Blake Eller 3-5
CSS is looking good I would take their 1-4 hitters any day and their top 2 pitchers are solid. Plus they can pick it in the field.
A burning question I have at the moment- I just looked at the Midwest regional site and noticed that it starts on Wednesday like it did last year. So I was wondering why do the MIAC and WIAC play thei conference tourneys friday/saturday instead of thursday/friday?
It doesnt make much sense if you ask me because if you throw a guy on that saturday he would be on 3 days rest if he was to pitch on that first day of regionals or 4 days rest if he pitched friday...I think it would be wiser to not have to worry about a pitcher not having enough rest.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 09, 2008, 12:06:57 AM
A burning question I have at the moment- I just looked at the Midwest regional site and noticed that it starts on Wednesday like it did last year. So I was wondering why do the MIAC and WIAC play thei conference tourneys friday/saturday instead of thursday/friday?
It doesnt make much sense if you ask me because if you throw a guy on that saturday he would be on 3 days rest if he was to pitch on that first day of regionals or 4 days rest if he pitched friday...I think it would be wiser to not have to worry about a pitcher not having enough rest.
I think the short answer is class time. I'm willing to bet the coaches would like your idea, but I doubt it would fly with administration. Don't know where other schools in the region are in terms of semesters/trimesters, but next week is the last of the term at Oshkosh. Missing three days of finals week is enough.
Quote from: OshDude on May 09, 2008, 12:36:57 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 09, 2008, 12:06:57 AM
A burning question I have at the moment- I just looked at the Midwest regional site and noticed that it starts on Wednesday like it did last year. So I was wondering why do the MIAC and WIAC play thei conference tourneys friday/saturday instead of thursday/friday?
It doesnt make much sense if you ask me because if you throw a guy on that saturday he would be on 3 days rest if he was to pitch on that first day of regionals or 4 days rest if he pitched friday...I think it would be wiser to not have to worry about a pitcher not having enough rest.
I think the short answer is class time. I'm willing to bet the coaches would like your idea, but I doubt it would fly with administration. Don't know where other schools in the region are in terms of semesters/trimesters, but next week is the last of the term at Oshkosh. Missing three days of finals week is enough.
Well St. Thomas is done next week the UW schools, CSS was done this week. I think it varies a little some this week but most next week. I understand its hard missing class and everything been there done that, but trust me most of these kids arent thinking about school anyways, they are thinking about making a regional. But it seems my question has been answered.
Its kind of too bad thats how the tourneys are so close together, its not the biggest deal in the world but has to play some type of role
Well Oshdude your going to like this. I had a dream last night that Point won the world series. Therefore I'm going to make new predictions.
Point over Whitewater in the Championship. MVP Doug Coe. Whitewater gets sent out of state for regionals. Oshkosh gets the #1, St. Thomas 2, and Point pulls off the upset at Regionals and makes the world series. Tyler Lorenz throws a 1 hit shutout in the championship game.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 09, 2008, 07:25:56 AM
Well Oshdude your going to like this. I had a dream last night that Point won the world series. Therefore I'm going to make new predictions.
Point over Whitewater in the Championship. MVP Doug Coe. Whitewater gets sent out of state for regionals. Oshkosh gets the #1, St. Thomas 2, and Point pulls off the upset at Regionals and makes the world series. Tyler Lorenz throws a 1 hit shutout in the championship game.
Thank you.
Everyone feel free to give updates on the Midwest tourneys with some stats. I know each tourney site will update but Im sure everyone doesnt want to be checking every site waiting for updates so thanks in advance.
CSS plays the winner of Bethany Lutheran/Northland at 6, Adian Kummet most likely the starter since he hasnt pitched yet. Most likely on the radio follow oshdudes link.
Well Ill start it off with the first game of the WIAC tourney
UWW up 6-1 in the top of 3 over LaCrosse. Dominick for UWW Greg Gibson for LaCrosse
Zalnis 2-run HR for UWW, Gram HR for LAC
Quote from: OshDude on May 08, 2008, 08:09:54 PM
CSS baseball back on the air. Second round of UMAC tourney vs. Northland.
http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp (http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp)
Had a chance to listen, pretty good broadcast for a D3 program. Needs to work on the home run call though.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on May 09, 2008, 03:04:49 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 08, 2008, 08:09:54 PM
CSS baseball back on the air. Second round of UMAC tourney vs. Northland.
http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp (http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp)
Had a chance to listen, pretty good broadcast for a D3 program. Needs to work on the home run call though.
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Its a very good broadcast, Im sure every D3 program wish they had that good of a broadcast, heck D1 too probably--and agreed needs practice on the big call
Knox beats Ripon 4-2 and forces if necessary game :o
Stevens Point up 2-0 in bottom of 6th :o oh oh
It's about time someone other than Ripon makes it in although you have to give Ripon a lot of credit this year with all the starters they lost from last year and the success they still had.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 10, 2008, 10:53:18 PM
although you have to give Ripon a lot of credit this year with all the starters they lost from last year and the success they still had.
What success? They didn't win the MWC Regular Season or Tournament titles.... That is not a successful season in my eyes, especially with the number of "cupcakes" that littered thier schedule this season.
I would agree with Cubs. Most teams i.e. UWW STP STT CSS would probably only say making a regional is a successful year. Granted yes they did lose a lot but teams mentioned above would more than likely put a much better season together if that happened to them.
Ripon schedule was very weak and got swept by a bad team to lose their chance at a regional
Schools like Ripon don't get the big guns that Oshkosh, Whitewater, and Point get in year after year. I thought Ripon had a pretty good year based on all they lost. What did they really return from last year? If anyone should be embarrassed it should be St. Norbert. They really underachieved for the talent they had this year. I was nervous before Point and St. Norbert played 2 thinking they would be tough but they were nowhere near what I would've expected. I have to say though Frost is 1 of the best Shortstops if not the best in D3.
Is the Oshkosh regional the toughest in the country?
I think 1-4 could not only win the regional, but the World Series
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on May 12, 2008, 10:38:23 PM
Is the Oshkosh regional the toughest in the country?
I think 1-4 could not only win the regional, but the World Series
I think some are equally tough, but none are tougher. I think any of the top five can win the regional. CSS is pretty good.
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on May 12, 2008, 10:38:23 PM
Is the Oshkosh regional the toughest in the country?
I think 1-4 could not only win the regional, but the World Series
I would agree with Oshdude, none are tougher than the Midwest has been like that year in and year out for awhile!
Have to throw CSS in there as well. Midwest solid 1-5 and is going to be a great regional. If anyone hasnt been to one, you must go its a totally different atmosphere than regular season games.
Total undergraduates full time(main campus) (Cost is for Tuition ONLY based on a full schedule and In state residence. These numbers may not be most up to day, or accurate, but probably pretty close. I thought it was interesting for the Midwest regional, and I would be interested in seeing it for more schools/regions.
Oshkosh 8,909 students $5693
Whitewater 8,950 students $5860
Stevens Point 7,865 students $5834
Carthage 2,148 students $25,000
St. Scholastica 1,963 students $24,990
St. Thomas 5,142 students $26,274
Peter Burg of Scholastica is currently #2 in ERA in the Northwoods league after 4 starts. He is 1-1 with an 0.70 ERA through 26 innings pitched and only walking 3 batters.
Good to see the success of 2 D3 players so far with Burg and Aaron Dott.
http://www.rochesterhonkers.com/scoreboard/standings.php
Couple D3 pitchers faced off again in the Northwoods League. Peter Burg (CSS) for Rochester vs Garrett Nix (STP) for Waterloo
Burg took the win moving to 2-1 in 5 starts 6ip giving up 1 run
Nix pitched 5.2 and gave up 4 runs
Quote from: BaseballFan on October 07, 2008, 09:51:03 PM
How top teams will fair in the midwest this year
UWW-lose some good hitters and a big time hitter. Still have Dott and enough telent for a NCAA birth
CSS-lost 4 of 5 top hitters. Still have Burg, Kummet, and probably best hitter in region Sean Claugherty. could struggle against top teams with hitting, pitching will carry them
STT-Injuries really hurt them last year, lost Lonnie Robinson and their top hitter. But they always reload and will be back in the tourney
UWO- Should be the best team in the midwest--did not lose a single player
STP-Lost Doug Coe and a lot of pitching. This may be the year they dont make it in the tourney, unless they reload.
Wont go much more into it than that right now, wll save deep analysis for february.
Teams that should be ranked UWW, CSS, UWO, maybe St thomas
Thought I'd move my VERY early Midwest ideas here.I'd also add Ripon to any Midwest preview. I'd be surprised if the Red Hawks don't get back to Top-25 worthiness and regionals this year. Ripon should be back in a big way this year. I'd actually have RC in the Midwest's top 4 and in my Top 25.
Besides the usual MW suspects, I also like St. Olaf and Concordia-Moorhead from the MIAC. And believe it or not, Superior might be my favorite to take the No. 4 seed in the WIAC tourney.
It's very early, and I'm not positive where many recruits will land. But it's nice to think about anything baseball that doesn't have to do with the Cubs.
Quote from: OshDude on October 07, 2008, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on October 07, 2008, 09:51:03 PM
How top teams will fair in the midwest this year
UWW-lose some good hitters and a big time hitter. Still have Dott and enough telent for a NCAA birth
CSS-lost 4 of 5 top hitters. Still have Burg, Kummet, and probably best hitter in region Sean Claugherty. could struggle against top teams with hitting, pitching will carry them
STT-Injuries really hurt them last year, lost Lonnie Robinson and their top hitter. But they always reload and will be back in the tourney
UWO- Should be the best team in the midwest--did not lose a single player
STP-Lost Doug Coe and a lot of pitching. This may be the year they dont make it in the tourney, unless they reload.
Wont go much more into it than that right now, wll save deep analysis for february.
Teams that should be ranked UWW, CSS, UWO, maybe St thomas
Thought I'd move my VERY early Midwest ideas here.
I'd also add Ripon to any Midwest preview. I'd be surprised if the Red Hawks don't get back to Top-25 worthiness and regionals this year. Ripon should be back in a big way this year. I'd actually have RC in the Midwest's top 4 and in my Top 25.
Besides the usual MW suspects, I also like St. Olaf and Concordia-Moorhead from the MIAC. And believe it or not, Superior might be my favorite to take the No. 4 seed in the WIAC tourney.
It's very early, and I'm not positive where many recruits will land. But it's nice to think about anything baseball that doesn't have to do with the Cubs.
Two things.....
UWO actually lost ONE senior off of last years team. Pitcher Curt Hendricks who threw the WIAC Tournament opener against Stevens Point will need to be replaced.
SS Derek Leighton, who was one of three Titans to start and play in all 40 games last season, has decided not to play this season.
As far as Ripon goes..... the addition of David Soda will help, but I still think they are a little weak as far as pitching goes. After Lloyd, there isn't a lot for PROVEN arms.
Thanks cubs, was thinking Hendricks was a junior...They did lose him but in my opinion is replaceable. He might of started the opener against Stevens Point but did not fair well losing 10-0 and giving up almost 20 hits. Leighton will be an unfortunate loss, its tough to lose a 40 game starter and will miss his defense, not his offense so much.
oshdude glad to see you back on here, i agree with you and believe UW Superior could be the #4, they have some pretty decent guys coming back and should improve upon last years record.
I dont think Ripon is a top 4 team, I just cant respect them right now because they dont schedule any decent teams except for Stevens Point. Also they lost twice to Knox in the conference tourney and Knox was terrible. i think they will make the ncaa playoffs thanks to their very weak conference.
Lots can happen between now and march. Some teams already have a nice look at their freshman with fall practice
If you guys don't like this year's Ripon team, there's a good chance you've never liked any RC team. And there's nothing wrong with that. Take it for what it's worth to you, but I think you're wrong. Funny how one year away from regionals makes people forget how good that program is. Now if you've always been a Ripon doubter – and there are plenty of those around Wisconsin – there's nothing I can write to make you come around. And for a CSS backer to criticize the Midwest Conference, well, that's interesting.
RC has never had a great schedule nor many bigtime recruits, but they do face a perennially good St. Francis team and a few others. Francis doesn't count in D-III playoff criteria, but it's still a good matchup. RC also has a ton of bats and decent pitching. It's not like the pitching cupboard is bare after Whitey LLoyd.
My first official prediction of the year: Ripon will finish in the Top 25 this year. I think RC will have to underachieve (or get hit with injuries) to not make the Top 25.
I never said anything about their conference, i said they dont schedule any decent teams. I know they dont have a choice in their conference schedule and dont say things i never said. From a CSS standpoint they schedule good teams-last year they had on their schedule St. thomas 3 times, Oshkosh 2 times, olaf 2 times, gustavus 2 times plus they played some good teams in florida. They schedule as best they can despite their weak conference
Ripon can schedule much better teams than Lakeland college 9-27, st francis is a good naia school just dont know how they really compare to d3. Ripon could work a little harder at scheduling better teams is all im saying, plus they usully only schedule 30-32 games they have enough openings to do so.
Im not doubting that Ripon may be a good team, they may very well be ranked at some point. For me personally they cant prove themselves to be ranked due to the schedule. But ripon gets the respect from the pollsters. If "Ripon will finish in the top 25 this year" they will need to most likely finish in the final 3 or 4 of the regional-so we will see.
I wish someone could explain to me why Ripon doesnt schedule better teams or more games.
Quote from: BaseballFan on October 10, 2008, 11:09:30 PM
i think they will make the ncaa playoffs thanks to their very weak conference.
What didn't you write?
I just said they dont schedule tough opponents, referring to their non-conference schedule that is not very strong and so few games. You took it as me saying that I was bashing their conference when i never mentioned their conference, because they have no choice in that matter.
Ripon is like the Boise States, Hawaii's, BYUs; have weak conferences but play weak non conference teams but are still decent overall. Just dont really show us how good or average they are.
Quote from: OshDude on October 11, 2008, 03:34:39 AM
If you guys don't like this year's Ripon team, there's a good chance you've never liked any RC team.
I liked Ripon's team back in 2006 and to a lesser extent in 2007 when they had a DEEP line-up and pitching staff. They competed with EVERYONE that year. But to even try and compare the 2009 to either of those teams, is a strtch at best.
Quote from: OshDude on October 11, 2008, 03:34:39 AM
It's not like the pitching cupboard is bare after Whitey LLoyd.
Name another PROVEN pitcher that Ripon has coming back this season. Sure Beaman COULD be a stud, but anytime a kid is coming back from arm problems/surgery, I'd be a little leary of expecting much from him the next year back. Linsmeyer and Wierschke each won four games, but each of them beat Lawrence, Carroll, and Beloit, not exactly stellar teams. Dwyer also won four games, but again against similar teams (Marian, Carroll, and Lawrence.) Lloyd was the only pitcher on staff that beat St. Norbert last season, arguably the best team in the MWC last season. To me, that means they are lacking in the pitching department.
Ripon will be a solid team this season. Like it or not (regardless of the weak conference), they are a Top 25 team nationally. They will pile up wins in league and make a run at the Midwest Regional. Someone from that conference HAS to be in the tourney so Ripon is the logical choice. They are a solid program that flies under the radar of the Carthage and WIAC programs as another quality program in the state of Wisconsin.
It would be interesting to see a conference with Carthage, Oshkosh, Whitewater, Stevens Point and Ripon. Having the top programs split among three conferences allows for so much speculation as to the level of play for each team.
I am thinking Point will be very good this year and may be better than last year even with losing Kempf, Coe, Hemstead, and several others. They will have Garrett Nix as their #1 and Joel Delorit as their #2. They have the best closer in the conference in Jeff Zielke. Their offense will be stacked once again and I'm projecting their lineup to be something like this:
1. Eric Fritz SS 2. Brad Archambeau RF 3. Cody Koback CF 4. Jared Surman LF 5. Sam Spurney DH 6. Jeremy Richter 1B 7. Garrett Bloom C(Although they have a tough Freshman) 8. Aaron Heiden 3B 9. Chris Hoerter 2B.
Point will have a TON of depth at skill positions this year. I could see them winning conference this year even though Whitewater and Oshkosh return virtually everyone. Their pitching staff will actually be pretty deep.
First on an earlier post, Ripon is playing Point this year...
Now as to the lineup for Point. Hemi is back this year, he sat last year with an injury and working his way back. They may be adding a transfer at mid year as well. Aaron Heiden didn't even go our for the team so don't look for him, instead a good chance that Kakwitch, a freshman from West Depere will play. They have a lot of options at C, including a D2 transfer as well as Bloom.
Quote from: jbeeeb on October 15, 2008, 09:29:03 PM
First on an earlier post, Ripon is playing Point this year...
Now as to the lineup for Point. Hemi is back this year, he sat last year with an injury and working his way back. They may be adding a transfer at mid year as well. Aaron Heiden didn't even go our for the team so don't look for him, instead a good chance that Kakwitch, a freshman from West Depere will play. They have a lot of options at C, including a D2 transfer as well as Bloom.
Yes the Ripon is playing Point this year like they have the last couple years
Quote from: jbeeeb on October 15, 2008, 09:29:03 PM
First on an earlier post, Ripon is playing Point this year...
Now as to the lineup for Point. Hemi is back this year, he sat last year with an injury and working his way back. They may be adding a transfer at mid year as well. Aaron Heiden didn't even go our for the team so don't look for him, instead a good chance that Kakwitch, a freshman from West Depere will play. They have a lot of options at C, including a D2 transfer as well as Bloom.
Welcome aboard. Is Koback going to pitch or just play OF? The UW-SP release suggests he may throw as well. And how has Hemi looked?
Fritz, Arch, Koback, Surman and Spurney ... Pointer fans will like
that.
WIAC "Big 3" state recruits (or just students). Add more if you have them. Let me know if I have the right name but wrong person or if someone isn't playing ball.
Stevens Point
OF/P Cody Koback, 1st Team All-State
P/OF Jon Schoch, 2nd Team All-State
P Eric Van Beck, 2nd Team All-State
IF Brent Kakwitch, 3rd Team All-State
C/OF Ryan Iverson, 1st Team All-Big Rivers
OF Anthony Englebert, 1st Team All-FVA
Mike Blizel (http://www.frvlegion.com/index.htm), state Legion Player of the Year
P Ben Reigel, 1st Team All-Bay, led Fox River Valley Legion in strikeouts
1B Ethan Bestul (http://wisconsinpreps.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=824382)
IF Ryan Mielke, Wisconsin State Journal HM All-Area
P/1B Max Mittelstaedt (http://wisconsinpreps.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=822108), 1st Team All-FVA
OF Ben Marvin (http://prepstats.madison.com/?team_id=2222&view=athlete&view_id=5302&school_id=457)
C/OF Jeremy Richter (http://matcmadison.edu/athletics/statistics/statistics_files/Baseball/Individual_Games/2008/teamcume.htm), All-District JUCO (MATC) transfer
P Chris Hoerter (http://athletics.iwcc.cc.ia.us/baseball/stats.asp), JUCO (IWCC) transfer
Oshkosh
SS Ben Sebesta (http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-sports.asp?id=BH0P1J0LDUA), 2nd Team All State, MVP of WBCA All-Star Tournament (http://www.prepsonthenet.com/newsreader.aspx?article=1571)
IF Justin Jirschele (http://www.wiscnews.com/bdc/archives/index.php?archAction=arch_read&a_from=browse&a_file=/bdc/2008/08/06/299726.php), 2nd Team All-State
IF Clay Comerford, 2nd Team All-State
P Paul Buchkowski (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=746704), HM All-State
OF Mike Huber, HM All-State
C Bryan Clark (http://www.fvaathletics.org/baseball/2008/coaches/spartans.pdf), HM All-State (2007)
C Travis Derocha, FRCC Co-Player of the Year
SS Drew Eichstaedt, 2nd Team All-FVA
2B Ryan King (http://wisconsinpreps.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=821365), 1st Team All-FVA
P Luke Westphal, WBCA All-Star
UTIL Matt Lindholm, 2nd Team All-District
1B Jeff Lindholm, HM All-District
IF Kyle Kalkopf, 1st Team All-Woodland North
P Luke Huebner (http://www.middleborder.org/pdf/2007/2008baseballstats.pdf) (scroll down), 1st Team All-Middle Border
1B Andrew Koopman (http://www.maxpreps.com/national/baseball/default/andrew-koopman/stats.aspx?athleteid=173b54a7-3e13-47e9-9454-1f1841071c24&ssid=c47b81a8-2898-44e4-a8e1-ec82391b4f8e&urpath=,local,player), HM All-District
SS Tyler Seubert, HM All-District
P/OF Josh Braunschweig (http://www.maxpreps.com/wisconsin/baseball/johnson-creek/josh-braunschweig/stats.aspx?ssid=c47b81a8-2898-44e4-a8e1-ec82391b4f8e&athleteid=82c8b769-eb65-4387-a462-e7ea4c2295a1&urpath=,local,player&group=4)
IF Adam Nebel, 2nd Team All-District
C Tyler Schrage, 2nd Team All-District
Whitewater
OF Jared Andreoli (http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2008/07/11/hs_sports/doc487050d16bc6e049136559.txt), 2nd Team All-State
UTIL Tyler DeBoer, 2nd Team All-State
C Fred Gromalak, 1st Team All-Classic 8, 2nd Team All-District
OF Charlie Schiraj, 2nd Team All-Classic 8
SS Jaron Bertelsen, 2nd Team All-Rock Valley
OF Matt Beyer (http://gazettextra.com/news/2008/jun/05/four-janesville-players-get-all-big-eight-first-te/), 1st Team All-Big 8
SS/P Aaron Laskowski (http://gazettextra.com/news/2008/jun/12/laskowski-leads-rock-arsenal), Rock Valley Player of the Year
IF Brandon Spahn (http://prepstats.madison.com/?team_id=2325&view=athlete&view_id=4224&school_id=550), HM All-District
Can anyone confirm?
OF Cole Brocker (http://www.fvaathletics.org/baseball/2008/coaches/papermakers.pdf) (Oshkosh?), 2nd Team All-State (didn't he sign with Winona? He's in the UWO directory)
3B Dan Amundson (Oshkosh?), 2nd Team All-Big 8
SS Justin Scanlon (Whitewater?), 1st Team All-Badger South (thought he was playing for MATC?)
P Mike Jacobs (Oshkosh?), HM All-District
OF Kyle Wagner (Oshkosh?), 1st Team All-Southwest Wisconsin
P Brent Mueller (Oshkosh?), 2nd Team All-District
P Kevin Johnson (Oshkosh?), HM All-District
C Steve Pratt (Oshkosh?), HM All-District
P Eric Phillips (Whitewater?), HM All-District
Kakwitch is definitely at Point. Shayne Jansen who is also from W. Depere and is a friend of Brents had also transferred from UW-O where he was on the roster last year to UW-SP. He tried out early but is no longer with the team. Neither is Mielke. Koback did both OF and pitch in the fall, but come spring who knows. Eventually he will probably be in a situation like Zimmerman was.
How is Pitcher Eric Van Beck doing for Point? I heard he is pretty solid. Are Hoeschle and Williams improved from last year? Hoeschle looked like he had a ton of potential as a hard throwing lefty but was up and down last year. I think it's going to be a another great year to be a Pointer fan but man did Oshkosh load up in recruiting and really didn't have any holes to fill 1-9 other than maybe getting some better pitchers. Superior is going to also be a tough team this year as the WIAC will once again be one of the best conferences in the nation.
In the above post I meant Marvin was no longer with the team, not Mielke. Mielke is still there.
The Midwest Conference will be in the Central Evaluation Region in 2009. The Northern Athletics Conference will be in the Midwest Evaluation Region.
It makes sense the more I think about it. The Midwest has long lagged way behind the other regions in total member schools. The MWC for Northern AC swap only moves a few more teams to the Midwest, but I think it's for the best. Besides, with the nonregional allocation of bids, the NCAA basically has the same options in terms of where to send the MWC/Northern AC postseason rep(s). I think it's also great that the Northern AC gets its first Pool A bid this year.
To recap, the Midwest conferences are now (36 total teams):
MIAC
WIAC
Northern AC
UMAC (still not Pool A in '09)
Central (38 total teams):
MWC
CCIW
IIAC
SLIAC
If you care, the total eligible schools in the other regions:
South 36
New York 38
West 39
Mideast 47
Mid-Atlantic 57
New England 65
With the preseason All-America release and the preseason poll due out soon, how many Midwest players and teams will make it?
Who, if any, will/should be AA from the MW?
Where will/should MW teams be slotted?
Some ideas for players (did I miss anyone?):
Burg, CSS
Claugherty, CSS
Kummet, CSS
Rubens, UWO
B. Demmin, UWO
Dott, UWW
Zalnis, UWW
Stine, UWW
Gram, LAX
Mathison, St. Olaf
T. Jones, St. Olaf
Kaczrowski, Hamline
K. Johnson, CCM
Leslie, UST
Wippler, UST
Murrey, Macalester
Porcaro, Benedictine
Wellner, Aurora
Damore, Aurora
Seris, CUC
Walker, CUC
Kudlik, CUC
Quote from: OshDude on December 29, 2008, 11:49:58 AM
With the preseason All-America release and the preseason poll due out soon, how many Midwest players and teams will make it?
Who, if any, will/should be AA from the MW?
Where will/should MW teams be slotted?
Some ideas for players (did I miss anyone?):
Burg, CSS
Claugherty, CSS
Kummet, CSS
Rubens, UWO
B. Demmin, UWO
Dott, UWW
Zalnis, UWW
Stine, UWW
Gram, LAX
Mathison, St. Olaf
T. Jones, St. Olaf
Kaczrowski, Hamline
K. Johnson, CCM
Leslie, UST
Wippler, UST
Murrey, Macalester
Porcaro, Benedictine
Wellner, Aurora
Damore, Aurora
Seris, CUC
Walker, CUC
Kudlik, CUC
good list oshdude
All Americans i would pick
Kaczrowski
Burg
Claugherty
Zalnis
Ruben
Demmin
Dott
There might be some more but those were the ones that i thought deserved it off the top of my head
Whitwater (7) CSS (16), UST (22), UWO (25) rankings just shots in the dark
Point has some players that possibly could make it at the end of the year. Garrett Nix(If performs to potential), Brad Archambeau, Jeff Zielke(One of best closers in D3 though not overpowering), and Jared Surman.
Quote from: BaseballFan on December 29, 2008, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: OshDude on December 29, 2008, 11:49:58 AM
With the preseason All-America release and the preseason poll due out soon, how many Midwest players and teams will make it?
Who, if any, will/should be AA from the MW?
Where will/should MW teams be slotted?
Some ideas for players (did I miss anyone?):
Burg, CSS
Claugherty, CSS
Kummet, CSS
Rubens, UWO
B. Demmin, UWO
Dott, UWW
Zalnis, UWW
Stine, UWW
Gram, LAX
Mathison, St. Olaf
T. Jones, St. Olaf
Kaczrowski, Hamline
K. Johnson, CCM
Leslie, UST
Wippler, UST
Murrey, Macalester
Porcaro, Benedictine
Wellner, Aurora
Damore, Aurora
Seris, CUC
Walker, CUC
Kudlik, CUC
good list oshdude
All Americans i would pick
Kaczrowski
Burg
Claugherty
Zalnis
Ruben
Demmin
Dott
There might be some more but those were the ones that i thought deserved it off the top of my head
Whitwater (7) CSS (16), UST (22), UWO (25) rankings just shots in the dark
I dont want to blow my own horn but 6/7 isnt bad...
Midwest pre-all americans
1st team: Sean Claugherty CSS
2nd team: Kevin Zalnis UWW Jeremy Ruben UWO Dan Kazcrowski Hamline
Honorable: Brad Demmin UWO, Peter Burg CSS
These 6 were very deserving, could see Claugherty contending for National POY
Quote from: BaseballFan on January 09, 2009, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on December 29, 2008, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: OshDude on December 29, 2008, 11:49:58 AM
With the preseason All-America release and the preseason poll due out soon, how many Midwest players and teams will make it?
Who, if any, will/should be AA from the MW?
Where will/should MW teams be slotted?
Some ideas for players (did I miss anyone?):
Burg, CSS
Claugherty, CSS
Kummet, CSS
Rubens, UWO
B. Demmin, UWO
Dott, UWW
Zalnis, UWW
Stine, UWW
Gram, LAX
Mathison, St. Olaf
T. Jones, St. Olaf
Kaczrowski, Hamline
K. Johnson, CCM
Leslie, UST
Wippler, UST
Murrey, Macalester
Porcaro, Benedictine
Wellner, Aurora
Damore, Aurora
Seris, CUC
Walker, CUC
Kudlik, CUC
good list oshdude
All Americans i would pick
Kaczrowski
Burg
Claugherty
Zalnis
Ruben
Demmin
Dott
There might be some more but those were the ones that i thought deserved it off the top of my head
Whitwater (7) CSS (16), UST (22), UWO (25) rankings just shots in the dark
I dont want to blow my own horn but 6/7 isnt bad...
Midwest pre-all americans
1st team: Sean Claugherty CSS
2nd team: Kevin Zalnis UWW Jeremy Ruben UWO Dan Kazcrowski Hamline
Honorable: Brad Demmin UWO, Peter Burg CSS
These 6 were very deserving, could see Claugherty contending for National POY
No way. That's horn-worthy. The fact that you chose seven players is also reason to toot. Dott should have a decent chance of being there at the end, but the preseason pitchers show how tough it is to crack the AA ranks.
Yea I agree, I think Dott will be contending for AA by years end. The question is will these guys have another big year, most likely not all of them will so we will just have to wait and see
Little more than three weeks until our region sees its first action at the Dome ... and at normal times, no less.
2/9 North Central (Minn.) vs. Bethany (DH @ 6:30 p.m.)
2/10 North Central (Minn.) vs. Hamline (DH @ 6 p.m.)
Quote from: OshDude on January 17, 2009, 03:35:08 AM
Little more than three weeks until our region sees its first action at the Dome ... and at normal times, no less.
2/9 North Central (Minn.) vs. Bethany (DH @ 6:30 p.m.)
2/10 North Central (Minn.) vs. Hamline (DH @ 6 p.m.)
Starting the season off really early I see in the 2nd week of Feb.
Now that the Midwest preview is up, here's my top six:
1. Oshkosh
2. Whitewater
3. St. Scholastica
4. St. Olaf
5. St. Thomas
6. Benedictine
Anyone else have a top six?
Quote from: OshDude on January 25, 2009, 10:39:11 PM
Now that the Midwest preview is up, here's my top six:
1. Oshkosh
2. Whitewater
3. St. Scholastica
4. St. Olaf
5. St. Thomas
6. Benedictine
Anyone else have a top six?
Mine would look somewhat similar, however I would have Point at the #6 spot over Benedictine.
Just out of curiousity, where would you have had Ripon ranked had they still been in the Midwest Region?
Big Poppa's Midwest Top 9:
1. UW-Oshkosh- WIAC
2. UW-Whitewater- WIAC
3. St. Thomas- MIAC
4. St. Scholastica- UMAC
5. UW-Stevens Point- WIAC
6. St. Olaf- MIAC
7. Aurora- NAC
8. Benedictine- NAC
9. Hamline- MIAC
1. Oshkosh
2. Whitewater
3. Scholastica
4. Thomas
5. Olaf
6. Point
7. Hamline
8. Aurora/Benedictine
I see Scholastica might have the first game for the midwest Feb 8th against NAIA Mount Marty, unless i missed a game.
Region PlayerOY Sean Claugherty...might contend Kazcrowski, Zalnis, Demmin
Region PitcherOY Aaron Dott...Will be a close race between Rubens, Burg, Kummet has the talent to do it but needs to put it all together and have a consistent year
Quote from: cubs on January 26, 2009, 08:38:31 AM
Quote from: OshDude on January 25, 2009, 10:39:11 PM
Now that the Midwest preview is up, here's my top six:
1. Oshkosh
2. Whitewater
3. St. Scholastica
4. St. Olaf
5. St. Thomas
6. Benedictine
Anyone else have a top six?
Mine would look somewhat similar, however I would have Point at the #6 spot over Benedictine.
Just out of curiousity, where would you have had Ripon ranked had they still been in the Midwest Region?
Somewhere in the 6-8 range.
My 7-10:
7. Stevens Point
8. Concordia-Moorhead
9. Rockford
10. Marian
But I wanted to keep it at six because that's as deep as the published regional rankings go.
Quote from: BaseballFan on January 26, 2009, 08:44:09 PM
I see Scholastica might have the first game for the midwest Feb 8th against NAIA Mount Marty, unless i missed a game.
Cool. CSS didn't have a schedule posted when I made my earlier post. Good noncon sked for CSS – St. Thomas for three games, St. Olaf/La Crosse for two.
Did anybody else get the itch to take BP on Saturday and Sunday with the warm (by local standards of course) weather? It was painful to know that actual games were taking place in parts of the country while I was sledding with my daughter.
St Scholastica opened up their season with a win over NAIA Mount Marty today 4-0.
Peter Burg picked up the win, Adian Kummet pitched the final 4 innings (10 Ks)Paul Kolodge had 3 of CSS hits including a solo homerun. Definately could tell the bats were still fresh after only 2 weeks of practice
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 08, 2009, 06:44:26 PM
St Scholastica opened up their season with a win over NAIA Mount Marty today 4-0.
Peter Burg picked up the win, Adian Kummet pitched the final 4 innings (10 Ks)Paul Kolodge had 3 of CSS hits including a solo homerun. Definately could tell the bats were still fresh after only 2 weeks of practice
Box score (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/baseball/Stats/2009/f08mcss.htm) – Burg and Kummet ... nice first outings.
Fan, the CSS SID site says Baggs wasn't in the dugout then didn't elaborate. Any help? The other CSS site didn't have a recap up. Did you listen to the game? I missed it, although I'm sure I'll get my fill of 2009 CSS baseball on the radio.
Quote from: OshDude on February 09, 2009, 01:05:19 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 08, 2009, 06:44:26 PM
St Scholastica opened up their season with a win over NAIA Mount Marty today 4-0.
Peter Burg picked up the win, Adian Kummet pitched the final 4 innings (10 Ks)Paul Kolodge had 3 of CSS hits including a solo homerun. Definately could tell the bats were still fresh after only 2 weeks of practice
Box score (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/baseball/Stats/2009/f08mcss.htm) – Burg and Kummet ... nice first outings.
Fan, the CSS SID site says Baggs wasn't in the dugout then didn't elaborate. Any help? The other CSS site didn't have a recap up. Did you listen to the game? I missed it, although I'm sure I'll get my fill of 2009 CSS baseball on the radio.
http://csssaints.com/news/2009/2/7/BB_0207094050.aspx
Quote from: OshDude on February 09, 2009, 01:05:19 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 08, 2009, 06:44:26 PM
St Scholastica opened up their season with a win over NAIA Mount Marty today 4-0.
Peter Burg picked up the win, Adian Kummet pitched the final 4 innings (10 Ks)Paul Kolodge had 3 of CSS hits including a solo homerun. Definately could tell the bats were still fresh after only 2 weeks of practice
Box score (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/baseball/Stats/2009/f08mcss.htm) – Burg and Kummet ... nice first outings.
Fan, the CSS SID site says Baggs wasn't in the dugout then didn't elaborate. Any help? The other CSS site didn't have a recap up. Did you listen to the game? I missed it, although I'm sure I'll get my fill of 2009 CSS baseball on the radio.
the link dukes sent should pretty much explain it all
So sorry to hear about your coach, Saints fans. No one that young ever deserves that.
Since there isnt much going on right now with most teams waiting to start their seasons I listed some upcoming games that should be the more exciting match ups between conferences. Only did 1-2 weeks worth. There will be plenty more exciting matchups to come
Feb 24
Olaf vs Wartburg 7pm
Scholastica vs LaCrosse 1130pm
(Nice back to back DH to catch with these 4 teams if you can stay up late)
Mar 1
Scholastica vs St. Thomas
Mar 3
Point vs Olaf
Mar 4
UW superior vs Hamline
Mar 6
Whitewater vs Thomas
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 18, 2009, 02:48:41 PM
Since there isnt much going on right now with most teams waiting to start their seasons I listed some upcoming games that should be the more exciting match ups between conferences. Only did 1-2 weeks worth. There will be plenty more exciting matchups to come
Feb 24
Olaf vs Wartburg 7pm
Scholastica vs LaCrosse 1130pm
(Nice back to back DH to catch with these 4 teams if you can stay up late)
Mar 1
Scholastica vs St. Thomas
Mar 3
Point vs Olaf
Mar 4
UW superior vs Hamline
Mar 6
Whitewater vs Thomas
I believe the Lacrosse/St. Scholastica game was moved up to 10:45pm. Hope to see you there!
Coach Baggs is dead? We lost a great one. Loved that guy's coaching style, sense of humor and demeanor.
My favorite Baggs moment was at last year's regional in Oshkosh. Between innings in the early going Baggs used the restroom. On his way to the restroom he picked up his child who was sitting in the first row about 20 feet outside the dugout and gave her a hug and a kiss. On his way back from the restroom he again picked his daughter up and gave her a hug and a kiss and played with her for a few seconds. Only after that did he turn his attention to the field to see his team had a runners on first and second with nobody out ... in a regional game. He waved goodbye to his daughter and quietly slipped into the dugout saying, "Let's go Marsh." His 9-hitter, Brian Marshik, was up. Baggs had a bunt sign to give.
Left me with a smile on my face. Hard to forget that kind of moment. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Baggs family and the St. Scholastica community.
St. Scholastica playing with heavy hearts tonight picked up a win in the opening game of a double dip against lacrosse. 6-3
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 25, 2009, 03:12:27 AM
St. Scholastica playing with heavy hearts tonight picked up a win in the opening game of a double dip against lacrosse. 6-3
Too bad they couldn't get a few more outs for the official sweep ... Were the Fan guys on the call? Really wished I could have listened, but I had to work.
Game 1 box (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/baseball/Stats/2009/f24sslc1.htm)
Game 2 box (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/baseball/Stats/2009/f25lcss2.pdf)
Quote from: OshDude on February 25, 2009, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 25, 2009, 03:12:27 AM
St. Scholastica playing with heavy hearts tonight picked up a win in the opening game of a double dip against lacrosse. 6-3
Too bad they couldn't get a few more outs for the official sweep ... Were the Fan guys on the call? Really wished I could have listened, but I had to work.
Game 1 box (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/baseball/Stats/2009/f24sslc1.htm)
Game 2 box (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/baseball/Stats/2009/f25lcss2.pdf)
The first game was on the radio, nice to see a lot of scholastica alumni at the game despite the late start.
Too bad the second game wont count since the first game took 2 1/2 hours with plenty of walks, a few injuries, and lacrosse coach complaining about every call. He should of just told his runners to just stand on the base so they wouldnt of been picked off 3 times.
My sympathies to the Saints family on the loss of Coach Baggs.
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/johnbaggs
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 25, 2009, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: OshDude on February 25, 2009, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 25, 2009, 03:12:27 AM
St. Scholastica playing with heavy hearts tonight picked up a win in the opening game of a double dip against lacrosse. 6-3
Too bad they couldn't get a few more outs for the official sweep ... Were the Fan guys on the call? Really wished I could have listened, but I had to work.
Game 1 box (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/baseball/Stats/2009/f24sslc1.htm)
Game 2 box (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/baseball/Stats/2009/f25lcss2.pdf)
The first game was on the radio, nice to see a lot of scholastica alumni at the game despite the late start.
Too bad the second game wont count since the first game took 2 1/2 hours with plenty of walks, a few injuries, and lacrosse coach complaining about every call. He should of just told his runners to just stand on the base so they wouldnt of been picked off 3 times.
Burg has one of the best moves to first I've seen. He's right on the edge most of the time. See Pic 62 in this gallery (http://www.csssaints.com/photo_gallery.aspx?gallery=1&path=baseball) from the LAX game. I almost prefer to watch him work with a runner on in a bunt or running situation than with the bases empty. He's so smart and in control with runners on in those "coaching" situations.
where would I find this 'Pic 62 in this gallery from the LAX games'
Quote from: OshDude on February 26, 2009, 02:43:50 AM
Burg has one of the best moves to first I've seen. He's right on the edge most of the time. See Pic 62 in this gallery (http://www.csssaints.com/photo_gallery.aspx?gallery=1&path=baseball) from the LAX game. I almost prefer to watch him work with a runner on in a bunt or running situation than with the bases empty. He's so smart and in control with runners on in those "coaching" situations.
You probably wont see a much better move to first than his. It definately makes it more exciting to watch with a runner on to see what it is going to happen. And he definately made the Lacrosse runners look silly.
Quote from: biggio34 on February 26, 2009, 07:41:39 AM
where would I find this 'Pic 62 in this gallery from the LAX games'
Click the word "gallery" in his post. It's a called a "hyperlink"
Thanks, I've seen better moves!
Looks like an illegal pickoff move to me.
Hard to tell from the low angle, but is he stepping toward first base? Doesn't look like it to me.
Hard to tell for sure, but a pitcher is given a 45 degree angle from his heel. If a pitcher does it right they can get about 60 degrees by walking through their pick move and not giving the ump a chance to spot his landing region.
It looks legal to me, but it is hard to tell when its not in motion, and a decent move as well
Because UWO doesnt play till late, I am sure the roster wont be up till later
Quote from: TitanBystander on February 27, 2009, 11:49:46 AM
Looks like an illegal pickoff move to me.
Hard to tell from the low angle, but is he stepping toward first base? Doesn't look like it to me.
Looks pretty legal to me, plus I dont ever recall him being called for a balk. Plus when you only got two umps that have bad views with most games, its pretty hard to see that 45 degree angle from their views so you can usually stretch it a little a bit.
Side stat he had 8 picks in 11 games last year...already 3 this year
The best advantage with his move is how smooth it is. If a move is jerky at all, delayed abnormally, or otherwise different than the regular motion it is more often called a balk because it looks "awkward". His is definitely close to a 45, but as stated with the 2 umpire system it is impossible to have that angle. The thing that surprises me the most is the poor baserunning associated with it at times. What I mean is having 2 or 3 picked off in one game with it is ridiculous. The first one, fine..its a great move. After that, where are you going? Will be interesting to see how St. Thomas does with it.
Both games were very well played and really quick (thanks to not many walks). All four pitchers looked pretty good. Schuld was hitting a lot of corners and racked up the Ks. Burg was equally as effective didnt have many Ks but he got Thomas to hit a lot of slow dribblers. Kummet also looked good, velocity in the low 90s
Burg gets another pick. After the lead off batter gets on and after an out, he gets picked at first.
Yes, two great games. Defensively both teams played well also. I am between what was the best play of the night. Either the over-the-shoulder diving grab in straight away center by McQuillan or the bare handed catch and throw on a suicide attempt by Kummet.
Overall, solid games in front of a good crowd at the dome and a great way to get the season started. I look forward to more!
Both were very good plays. Think the catch was the more difficult play and kept css from starting something, but the play at home saved a run so tough call. Either way both very good plays and 2 good games
UWS sweeps Hamline today 2-1, 6-4...On the front page of the website
Wondering if we'll see a DH sweep between two regional powers this year ... Whitewater and St. Thomas split in the wee hours at the dome. Matt Schuld was great once again.
Quote from: OshDude on March 07, 2009, 09:02:27 AM
Wondering if we'll see a DH sweep between two regional powers this year ... Whitewater and St. Thomas split in the wee hours at the dome. Matt Schuld was great once again.
St. thomas is probably disappointed they let game 1 slip away to miss out on the sweep. It is not easy for midwest powers to sweep each other since the top 5-6 are pretty even. I am looking foward to when Oshkosh plays St thomas 4 times in 4 days with games in between in florida, it will really show what they have for bullpen depth.
St. Scholastica sweeps Hiram College 8-0, 10-5 yesterday.
Beats NCAA tourney Penn St. Behrend 13-12 in a shootout today. Peter Burg improves to 4-0, Adian Kummet gets his 3rd save
6-1 overall now
My midwest rankings--just to get things going and know these will get shuffled up pretty quickly.
1. Scholastica 8-1---have to be here for playing games and playing well. Key wins: St. Thomas, Penn State Behrend. Burg and Claugherty putting up good numbers
2. St. Thomas 2-2--2 good splits. Matt Schuld putting up AA numbers. Key wins: CSS, UWW
3. UWO 0-0. Didnt know where to stick them since they havent played, I have them as the best team but i think their tight schedule will create more losses than they should lose.
4. St. Olaf 3-1 split with point, swept Wartburg
5. UWW 1-2. Saved a split with Thomas
Stevens Point 1-1 Split with olaf
7. Benedictine 0-0 Just think they may win NATHCON
Others:
Gustavus 3-1
Hamline 4-2
UWS 2-1
Rockford 3-2
Mine. Same as it was Feb. 24 (in-region record).
1. Oshkosh (0-0)
2. St. Scholastica (2-1)
3. St. Olaf (3-1)
4. St. Thomas (2-2)
5. Stevens Point (1-1)
6. Whitewater (1-1)
7. Benedictine (0-0)
8. Concordia-Moorhead (0-1. And yes, despite the loss to Edgewood)
HM: Every other team at this point.
Shoutout to Bethany (5-2) for beating RPI.
Big Poppa's Top 25 (Week 4):
An intersting week to say the least... a lot of teams faring the same that were tightly bunched to start with.
01 Trinity (Conn.) 4-0
02 Millsaps 19-2
03 Salisbury 14-2
04 Texas-Tyler 17-4
05 UW-Whitewater 1-2
06 Wooster 9-2
07 Kean 10-3
08 St. Scholastica 11-2
09 Heidelberg 10-2
10 Johns Hopkins 3-3
11 Southern Maine 2-1
12 Eastern Connecticut 4-0
13 Chapman 16-5
14 Cal Lutheran 15-3
15 Linfield 13-3
16 Adrian 4-3
17 Christopher Newport 10-2
18 Thiel 11-3
19 Pomona-Pitzer 16-2
20 Augustana 11-3
21 Carthage 3-0
22 Wheaton (Mass.) 9-1
23 Marietta 5-2
24 UW-Oshkosh 0-0
25 UW-Stevens Point 3-1
*Just missing my Top 25 (no particular order): Shenandoah (15-3), George Fox (12-3), Penn State-Behrend (7-1), Oneota (11-1), Redlands (12-4), Beloit (6-2), Illinois Wesleyan (4-3), Pacific Lutheran (10-5)
** Please feel free to let me know if you feel there is someone I am missing. While I spend hours a day perusing scores and websites, in addition to attending games if I can, it is nearly impossible to keep an eye on all of the D3 teams. There were some teams with great records that I left out as they have not played any competition that really proves their quality yet. Let me know if there is someone I should watch for next week.
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 16, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Big Poppa's Top 25 (Week 4):
An intersting week to say the least... a lot of teams faring the same that were tightly bunched to start with.
01 Trinity (Conn.) 4-0
02 Millsaps 19-2
03 Salisbury 14-2
04 Texas-Tyler 17-4
05 UW-Whitewater 1-2
06 Wooster 9-2
07 Kean 10-3
08 St. Scholastica 11-2
09 Heidelberg 10-2
10 Johns Hopkins 3-3
11 Southern Maine 2-1
12 Eastern Connecticut 4-0
13 Chapman 16-5
14 Cal Lutheran 15-3
15 Linfield 13-3
16 Adrian 4-3
17 Christopher Newport 10-2
18 Thiel 11-3
19 Pomona-Pitzer 16-2
20 Augustana 11-3
21 Carthage 3-0
22 Wheaton (Mass.) 9-1
23 Marietta 5-2
24 UW-Oshkosh 0-0
25 UW-Stevens Point 3-1
*Just missing my Top 25 (no particular order): Shenandoah (15-3), George Fox (12-3), Penn State-Behrend (7-1), Oneota (11-1), Redlands (12-4), Beloit (6-2), Illinois Wesleyan (4-3), Pacific Lutheran (10-5)
** Please feel free to let me know if you feel there is someone I am missing. While I spend hours a day perusing scores and websites, in addition to attending games if I can, it is nearly impossible to keep an eye on all of the D3 teams. There were some teams with great records that I left out as they have not played any competition that really proves their quality yet. Let me know if there is someone I should watch for next week.
I still think Adrian is too high and Wheaton too low.
EDIT: Still no Cortland, huh? Of the teams you didn't list, I like two MIAC reps.
Quote from: OshDude on March 16, 2009, 01:21:36 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 16, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Big Poppa's Top 25 (Week 4):
An intersting week to say the least... a lot of teams faring the same that were tightly bunched to start with.
01 Trinity (Conn.) 4-0
02 Millsaps 19-2
03 Salisbury 14-2
04 Texas-Tyler 17-4
05 UW-Whitewater 1-2
06 Wooster 9-2
07 Kean 10-3
08 St. Scholastica 11-2
09 Heidelberg 10-2
10 Johns Hopkins 3-3
11 Southern Maine 2-1
12 Eastern Connecticut 4-0
13 Chapman 16-5
14 Cal Lutheran 15-3
15 Linfield 13-3
16 Adrian 4-3
17 Christopher Newport 10-2
18 Thiel 11-3
19 Pomona-Pitzer 16-2
20 Augustana 11-3
21 Carthage 3-0
22 Wheaton (Mass.) 9-1
23 Marietta 5-2
24 UW-Oshkosh 0-0
25 UW-Stevens Point 3-1
*Just missing my Top 25 (no particular order): Shenandoah (15-3), George Fox (12-3), Penn State-Behrend (7-1), Oneota (11-1), Redlands (12-4), Beloit (6-2), Illinois Wesleyan (4-3), Pacific Lutheran (10-5)
** Please feel free to let me know if you feel there is someone I am missing. While I spend hours a day perusing scores and websites, in addition to attending games if I can, it is nearly impossible to keep an eye on all of the D3 teams. There were some teams with great records that I left out as they have not played any competition that really proves their quality yet. Let me know if there is someone I should watch for next week.
I still think Adrian is too high and Wheaton too low.
EDIT: Still no Cortland, huh? Of the teams you didn't list, I like two MIAC reps.
OshDude- thanks for the feedback. I was close to adding both St. Thomas and St. Olaf. Not sure what it is about Cortland, but I am not sure if they are as good as everyone else thinks. If they can keep rolling they will be back in no time. I agree with both Adrian and Wheaton, but I am letting their play on the field move them up or down in my poll. Expect them both to continue their recent movements in the next few weeks.
Of course I'd also flip Whitewater and Oshkosh, but I realize the wait-and-see approach with UWO and the fascination with last year's UWW. I hope for the Midwest's sake that UWW is better than I think they are. I and many other posters have DubDub third (after roster posting) in the WIAC, but you may be correct. I just don't see it.
I would agree with oshdude, UWW a little high considering they barely saved a split with St. Thomas and dont see them nearly as good as last year. Also, Thomas and Olaf should be up there somewhere probably in the consideration area.
Been almost 2 weeks since I updated these. Just overall records for now since teams havent played enough in-region games.
1. Scholastica 11-2--Best 1-2 combo in Burg/Kummet
2. St. Thomas 4-2 Schuld looking good
3. UWO 1-0 This week will say a lot about them
4. Stevens Point 8-2 Good Florida trip
5. UWW 5-3. Playing some tough games in Florida
6. St. Olaf 5-3 Doesnt ever look good getting swept easily by any team
Others:
Gustavus 3-3 Bad sweep at the hands of Buena Vista
Hamline 5-4
UWS 6-2
Rockford 7-3
Aurora 9-3
Stout 9-3
LaCrosse 5-1
Bethany Lutheran 8-4
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 22, 2009, 08:02:34 PM
Been almost 2 weeks since I updated these. Just overall records for now since teams havent played enough in-region games.
1. Scholastica 11-2--Best 1-2 combo in Burg/Kummet
2. St. Thomas 4-2 Schuld looking good
3. UWO 1-0 This week will say a lot about them
4. Stevens Point 8-2 Good Florida trip
5. UWW 5-3. Playing some tough games in Florida
6. St. Olaf 5-3 Doesnt ever look good getting swept easily by any team
Others:
Gustavus 3-3 Bad sweep at the hands of Buena Vista
Hamline 5-2
UWS 6-2
Rockford 7-3
Aurora 9-3
Stout 9-3
LaCrosse 5-1
Bethany Lutheran 8-4
Luther swept Hamline. Olaf is still 5-1 in-region.
Thanks didnt catch the Luther sweep, I edited it
BigPoppa's Week 5 Poll: (This is getting harder every week as teams are starting to pile up wins. Thanksfully, the conference seasons are approaching and we can hopefully get a little separation).
I know many of you feel I need to put a MIAC team in here, but I a still a bit leary about it.
01 Trinity (Conn.): 8-2 A bit of a stumble this week, but with everyone stmbling a bit behind them, they still hold on to the top spot.
02 Millsaps: 22-3 A nice victory over Illinois Wesleyan and taking 2 of 3 from Hendrix ove the weekend keeps them in contention.
03 Salisbury: 17-3 Only blemish this week was a loss to a 10-3 Richard Stockton.
04 Texas-Tyler: 21-5 Wins versus East Texas Baptist, UT-Dallas and took 2 of 3 from Ozarks. Tyler is looking better every week.
05 UW-Whitewater: 5-3 A great week for Whitewater down south. Beat Otterbein twice and Wooster once while splitting with Carthage.
06 Wooster: 15-3 Only blemish on their week (6-1) was a loss to Whitewater in Florida. Won 12 of their last 13 games.
07 Kean: 13-4 A 3-1 week was highlighted by a win at Chapman.
08 St. Scholastica: 11-2 Did not play this week.
09 Southern Maine: 7-1 A perfect 5-0 week including a win over Johns Hopkins
10 Eastern Connecticut: 10-0 Quickly climbing the rankings. A quality win over Johns Hopkins highlighted their week.
11 Chapman: 16-6 Suffered a loss to Kean and pounded Occidental. After Wayde Kitchens, pitching seems to be an issue.
12 Linfield: 17-3 Swept four from Puget Sound last week. They continue to pile up wins.
13 Pomona-Pitzer 19-3 One of the hottest teams in the nation. Took two from Keene State and split with Middlebury.
14 Heidelberg: 11-4 Took one on the chin last week with a 1-3 mark. If they wish to be considered a contender, they need to win the big games.
15 Thiel: 11-3 Swept a three game series from Waynesberg over the weekend, but tripped a bit against Hiram. Need to win all those games if they are to be a top program.
16 Wheaton (Mass.): 12-1 Beat a surprisingly tough Rhode Island and took a pair from Springfield. Expect them to start climbing the chart very quickly if their recent play continues.
17 Augustana: 12-3 A 1-0 week in the chilly Midwest included a win versus Aurora.
18 Johns Hopkins: 7-7 The Bluejays suffered rough 4-4 week. Seeing them at .500 this far into the season is a surprise to me.
19 UW-Stevens Point: 8-2 The Pointers appear to be loaded to contend for another WIAC title.
20 Marietta: 8-3 Took a pair from highly touted Heidelberg as well as a split with LaRoche
21 UW-Oshkosh: 1-0 Just getting out of the gates right now, but the Titans look to be loaded again. We'll have a better feel for them next week as they play a few more games.
22 Cal Lutheran: 17-5 Won two games that they should have, but lost two games to a middle-of-the-road Rutgers-Newark who they needed to beat if they wanted to be considered more than a pretender.
23 York (Pa.): 16-2 Sixteen straight wins finds York in my poll this week.
24 Beloit: 10-2 The Buccaneers are off to good start. 4 wins against a terrible Milwaukee School of Engineering helps, they are beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
25 Cortland State: 11-5 Cortland may have things back on track, but do not expect them to stay here for long if they continue to lose to inferior teams like Farmingdale State.
Dropped out:
Carthage: 6-4 (tough schedule this week knocked them out of the Top 25)
Adrian: 6-7 (another bad week has pushed them from a former top ten team to out of the polls)
Christopher Newport: 13-4-1 (you cannot lose to mediocre teams and expect to stay in the poll)
I dont mind that you dont have a MIAC team ranked yet. I dont think St. Olaf quite deserves it yet. St. Thomas is 6-2 but their 4 games against Oshkosh will say a lot, so even though you dont have them ranked yet i think you will have them soon.
Biggie,
At what point do we stop considering a win over Hopkins as a feather in a team's cap? That's not a rhetorical question either. I don't know the answer. Tough schedule for sure, but at 7-7 with losses to Simpson and Newark, I'm not so sure Hop hasn't been given enough chances to remain in elite company.
I still like St. Thomas and St. Olaf. Anderson has a very good program. In isolation that sweep is questionable for a team as good as I think Olaf is, but many teams had bad games last week.
Quote from: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 03:34:36 PM
Biggie,
At what point do we stop considering a win over Hopkins as a feather in a team's cap? That's not a rhetorical question either. I don't know the answer. Tough schedule for sure, but at 7-7 with losses to Simpson and Newark, I'm not so sure Hop hasn't been given enough chances to remain in elite company.
I still like St. Thomas and St. Olaf. Anderson has a very good program. In isolation that sweep is questionable for a team as good as I think Olaf is, but many teams had bad games last week.
That is a great question. Regardless of how Hopkins is playing they will still be a ranked team this week. I am just rewarding a team for beating a ranked opponent. JHU will quickly play themselves out of the Top 25, but for now they are still there and teams that beat them should be rewarded.
FYI: clicking on the globe under Walter Sobchak will take you to a MW baseball blog. It's a little spare in terms of game coverage. But the SIDs do just fine with that anyway. Probably the best feature so far is the Standout Stats page on the right side.
Quote from: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 03:43:03 PM
FYI: clicking on the globe under Walter Sobchak will take you to a MW baseball blog. It's a little spare in terms of game coverage. But the SIDs do just fine with that anyway. Probably the best feature so far is the Standout Stats page on the right side.
Great resource for any fan of Midwest baseball. Nice work.
http://midwestbaseball.wordpress.com/ (http://midwestbaseball.wordpress.com/)
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 23, 2009, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 03:34:36 PM
Biggie,
At what point do we stop considering a win over Hopkins as a feather in a team's cap? That's not a rhetorical question either. I don't know the answer. Tough schedule for sure, but at 7-7 with losses to Simpson and Newark, I'm not so sure Hop hasn't been given enough chances to remain in elite company.
I still like St. Thomas and St. Olaf. Anderson has a very good program. In isolation that sweep is questionable for a team as good as I think Olaf is, but many teams had bad games last week.
That is a great question. Regardless of how Hopkins is playing they will still be a ranked team this week. I am just rewarding a team for beating a ranked opponent. JHU will quickly play themselves out of the Top 25, but for now they are still there and teams that beat them should be rewarded.
And I agree with that line of thinking. I think Hop has been the biggest enigma this year, and it's hard to know where the lines are among expectation, the season's length and results. I mean they're 2-6 in-region with wins over Newark and Springfield. They have York and Salisbury at the end, but will that be enough?
St. Thomas swept Oshkosh, 6-3 and 15-8. No details, just what the UWO site has. Interesting development to say the least. After weeks of splits among the elite, we finally have a pace car. I'm guessing Schuld stymied another good team in game 1.
Oshkosh threw what I'd consider its top three in yesterday's game against DePauw, a nonregion opponent. Curious to see if any of them pitched today in a VERY important in-region doubleheader. Then again I could be way off on UWO's SP pecking order.
Quote from: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 07:34:18 PM
St. Thomas swept Oshkosh, 6-3 and 15-8. No details, just what the UWO site has. Interesting development to say the least. After weeks of splits among the elite, we finally have a pace car. I'm guessing Schuld stymied another good team in game 1.
Oshkosh threw what I'd consider its top three in yesterday's game against DePauw, a nonregion opponent. Curious to see if any of them pitched today in a VERY important in-region doubleheader. Then again I could be way off on UWO's SP pecking order.
Very interesting developments, but i would guess UWOs top 3 didnt pitch today since they all threw 2-4 innings yesterday. Im sure those 3 will pitch on Thursday against Thomas though with Thomas probably not having their best guys on the mound. So I wouldnt be surprised if UWO swept thomas back on thursday.
I think it was a smart move by Lechnir to get those guys a short outing yesterday so they could bounce back on thursday against St. Thomas.
Of course this is all what Im thinking is the case
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 23, 2009, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 07:34:18 PM
St. Thomas swept Oshkosh, 6-3 and 15-8. No details, just what the UWO site has. Interesting development to say the least. After weeks of splits among the elite, we finally have a pace car. I'm guessing Schuld stymied another good team in game 1.
Oshkosh threw what I'd consider its top three in yesterday's game against DePauw, a nonregion opponent. Curious to see if any of them pitched today in a VERY important in-region doubleheader. Then again I could be way off on UWO's SP pecking order.
Very interesting developments, but i would guess UWOs top 3 didnt pitch today since they all threw 2-4 innings yesterday. Im sure those 3 will pitch on Thursday against Thomas though with Thomas probably not having their best guys on the mound. So I wouldnt be surprised if UWO swept thomas back on thursday.
I think it was a smart move by Lechnir to get those guys a short outing yesterday so they could bounce back on thursday against St. Thomas.
Of course this is all what Im thinking is the case
You're probably right, but I'd rather throw the bat boys at DePauw than my top three. I'm the kind of guy who would rather play dueling aces than play chess. Then again I have not won two national championships, and I'm not sure who pitched today. I'm hoping for a split with Olaf and sweeps of UST and Westminster.
Well if the aces pitched today than they wouldnt of been able to pitch against St Thomas on Thursday.
Plus St. Thomas had plenty of games under their belts where as Oshkosh had only 1 game and would of been the first outing for the big guns so it would of been a pretty big risk.
I think this is the smart, safe way to go. It will be interesting to see the box scores
Schuld pitched game 2.
Quote from: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 23, 2009, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 03:34:36 PM
Biggie,
At what point do we stop considering a win over Hopkins as a feather in a team's cap? That's not a rhetorical question either. I don't know the answer. Tough schedule for sure, but at 7-7 with losses to Simpson and Newark, I'm not so sure Hop hasn't been given enough chances to remain in elite company.
I still like St. Thomas and St. Olaf. Anderson has a very good program. In isolation that sweep is questionable for a team as good as I think Olaf is, but many teams had bad games last week.
That is a great question. Regardless of how Hopkins is playing they will still be a ranked team this week. I am just rewarding a team for beating a ranked opponent. JHU will quickly play themselves out of the Top 25, but for now they are still there and teams that beat them should be rewarded.
And I agree with that line of thinking. I think Hop has been the biggest enigma this year, and it's hard to know where the lines are among expectation, the season's length and results. I mean they're 2-6 in-region with wins over Newark and Springfield. They have York and Salisbury at the end, but will that be enough?
Enigmatic is not a bad description. I've posted my takes on Hopkins spring ball on the Centennial Conference board. I don't think JHU will quickly play themselves out of anything now. They played a very intense spring schedule where even the unranked teams like Rutgers-Newark (good wins against SCIAC teams this past week) are showing themselves to be formidable. Certainly there's no shame in losing to ECSU with Gilblair pitching, or Wheaton with Gingras pitching, or Southern Maine with Therrian pitching. The conference games start tomorrow. Last year, Hopkins was 16-2 in the conference, and I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that they will do no worse than that this year. Hopkins will probably need to win their conference tournament to return to post-season play, but it looks to me like that's what the team has been using its spring games to prepare for.
Quote from: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Schuld pitched game 2.
Looks like he got roughed up a little bit
Is this a joke?
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll32409.pdf
Quote from: xyz123 on March 24, 2009, 03:14:39 PM
Is this a joke?
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll32409.pdf
2 things that really stick out for me is St. Scholastica and Chapman not being ranked.
I can see Chapman not being ranked (taking stats from another poster, they only have the 8th best in-region record in the West). St. Scholastica is a shock to me.
Usually, the ABCA poll consists of only 8 voters while the D3baseball.com poll contains 25 voters. I think this poll gets a more rounded feeling.
If you're not on Whitewater's schedule don't expect to be ranked. VO wants to improve his own numbers. Take it from the MIAC teams that get hosed every year.
Another blog feature added. See the page with in-region records for all Midwest teams (and perhaps all Central and some West teams as well, as explained on the page) on the top-right. I had been keeping track of them on Word, but I thought I'd share. Click the globe under Walter or click here (http://midwestbaseball.wordpress.com/).
So we now have standout stats, my personal weekly top 25 poll and in-region records. Baby steps ... the rest, like conference standings, game recaps and whatnot, you can easily find from the links on the right-side rail. Or by using D3baseball.com, of course. Anyway, it's getting better. Not great – better.
Not that it matters in the grand scheme – probably just the national poll – but I thought it interesting that St. Thomas lost to DePauw, 10-8, yesterday.
While I'm here, I wonder if Schuld will make an appearance against Oshkosh on two days rest or whether he goes in the conference opener on normal rest. Or both, I guess.
Quote from: OshDude on March 25, 2009, 09:45:14 AM
Not that it matters in the grand scheme – probably just the national poll – but I thought it interesting that St. Thomas lost to DePauw, 10-8, yesterday.
While I'm here, I wonder if Schuld will make an appearance against Oshkosh on two days rest or whether he goes in the conference opener on normal rest. Or both, I guess.
I think they rest him today. Already having two wins against Oshkosh this season gives them a leg up. I think he rests for the conference season unless he were to appear in a tight game lte as part of his normal throwing session between starts.
I would have to agree, and would think that he would be saved for their conference opener. As nice as the in-region wins against a team like Oshkosh are I would certainly want to keep him for my conference opener instead of going after some other team. Plus as mentioned they already have 2 games on UWO so maybe they steal another one and go 3-1 against them, or they split with them...either way they aren't really going to get hurt by those outcomes. I would hate to blow the ace in a non-conference game and then lose to a team that had no reason competing with you should your number one have been out there. My opinion at least.
St. Thomas 12
Oshkosh 3
FINAL (7 Innings)
R. Demmin with the start for UWO, and gets hit hard, giving up 12 hits (2 HR's) in 6 IP.
Evan Mattson to get the start in Game #2.
FYI the DH location between UWSP and St. Norberts has been changed to Stevens Point due to poor field conditions in De Pere. http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2009/3/26/BSB_0326091641.aspx?path=baseball
Oshkosh manages to win Game #2, 3-2.
Evan Mattson goes 5.2, and Rubens comes on and closes things out for the save.
I'm not at all shocked by Oshkosh's start as their playing great teams. If you look at UWSP the past few years they started out slow on their Florida trip even with Zimmerman and still made the world series. Oshkosh is still definitely a contender to win the WIAC and go to the Series. It's really still hard to tell how Point will do because they played no one in Florida and split with St. Olaf. If anything being a Pointer fan I would be a bit concerned especially with the uncertainty behind the plate and the lack of defense in the infield. Richter has been a pleasant surprise so far and it looks like Berry is throwing well but not getting much help behind him. IMO Point's season is riding on Nix and if he can throw to his ability 85-90% of the time they'll be in the top 3. I also have to believe that Joel Delorit is going to be a stud this year and have shutdown potential. I'm thinking Point will not play this weekend or Wed because the weather is supposed to get ugly over the next week. They really need those games to be prepared for Whitewater next weekend. To me Whitewater is doing great and has exceeded my expectation losing all the guys they did. They are going to be nearly impossible to beat with Dott on the mound. Is Rubens going to remain in a closer role for Oshkosh or is he going to go the distance a few games? Why did Derrick Leighton not join the team for Oshkosh this year? I realize Jirschele is a stud at short but Leighton was no slouch. I wish he was on Point's roster right now because I think Fritz would be better suited for 2B.
I agree with Shinetime. I think it is way too early to count Oshkosh out of this. WIAC play has not even started yet, and in actuallity, that is all the really matters.
I am not sure I have ever seen as much balance in the WIAC's Big Three as we are seeing this year. Grab some popcorn and comfortable chair... you might have to stick around to the end to see how this plays out.
Quote from: Dagger on March 25, 2009, 03:00:33 PM
I would have to agree, and would think that he would be saved for their conference opener. As nice as the in-region wins against a team like Oshkosh are I would certainly want to keep him for my conference opener instead of going after some other team. Plus as mentioned they already have 2 games on UWO so maybe they steal another one and go 3-1 against them, or they split with them...either way they aren't really going to get hurt by those outcomes. I would hate to blow the ace in a non-conference game and then lose to a team that had no reason competing with you should your number one have been out there. My opinion at least.
Schuld pitched in both games. MW Region have another Rubens?
Quote from: ShineTime on March 26, 2009, 06:35:20 PM
Why did Derrick Leighton not join the team for Oshkosh this year? I realize Jirschele is a stud at short but Leighton was no slouch. I wish he was on Point's roster right now because I think Fritz would be better suited for 2B.
Leighton was on the team at the beginning of the Fall Ball season, however he chose to quit before the fall was over. I'm not sure of the reasons, and I don't think it is fair to speculate.
What's ironic about your last statement, is that the two schools Leighton was contemplating about going to were Point and Oshkosh. Who knows how things would have played out had he chose Point..... :-\
Kyle Kannenberg with the start for UWO today on three days rest against St. Olaf.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rubens finished Game #1 if it's tight and then starts Game #2 for his lone start of the trip, as both are important "in-region" games.
Quote from: ShineTime on March 26, 2009, 06:35:20 PM
I'm not at all shocked by Oshkosh's start as their playing great teams. If you look at UWSP the past few years they started out slow on their Florida trip even with Zimmerman and still made the world series. Oshkosh is still definitely a contender to win the WIAC and go to the Series.
UWSP, however, wasn't getting beat 15-8, 20-9, 12-3. I think Titan fans should be concerned with those type of performances.
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 11:39:55 AM
Kyle Kannenberg with the start for UWO today on three days rest against St. Olaf.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rubens finished Game #1 if it's tight and then starts Game #2 for his lone start of the trip, as both are important "in-region" games.
Well I was right about the first part....
Kannenberg goes 5.1 IP giving up one run and leaves with a 2-1 lead.
Rubens comes in and proceeds to give up 5 runs, only one or two of which were earned, and St. Olaf leads 6-2.
St Olaf 6
UWO 2
Top of the 7th
Quote from: Brewers20 on March 27, 2009, 11:41:49 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on March 26, 2009, 06:35:20 PM
I'm not at all shocked by Oshkosh's start as their playing great teams. If you look at UWSP the past few years they started out slow on their Florida trip even with Zimmerman and still made the world series. Oshkosh is still definitely a contender to win the WIAC and go to the Series.
UWSP, however, wasn't getting beat 15-8, 20-9, 12-3. I think Titan fans should be concerned with those type of performances.
I will be if those scores are still happening midway through the season!!
There have been some games where true freshman have been starting at 3B (Sebesta,) SS (Jirschele,) and 2B (Eichstaedt.) One would think with that young of an infield, there are going to be some "growing-pains" which probably explains the high amount of unearned runs being scored by UWO's opponents so far this season. Also, I would be more concerned if it was Rubens, Kannenberg, and Mattson who were the ones giving up the big runs, but it has been the freshman arms for the most part (except for Demmin yesterday.)
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 11:39:55 AM
Kyle Kannenberg with the start for UWO today on three days rest against St. Olaf.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rubens finished Game #1 if it's tight and then starts Game #2 for his lone start of the trip, as both are important "in-region" games.
Well I was right about the first part....
Kannenberg goes 5.1 IP giving up one run and leaves with a 2-1 lead.
Rubens comes in and proceeds to give up 5 runs, only one or two of which were earned, and St. Olaf leads 6-2.
St Olaf 6
UWO 2
Top of the 7th
UWO scores five runs in the Top of the 7th to take a 7-6 lead.
Kuepper relieves Luke Vosz, who finished the 6th inning, and proceeds to give up an RBI single to tie things up 7-7. Onto extra innings in Florida....
UWO 7
St. Olaf 7
Top 8th
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 01:03:42 PM
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 11:39:55 AM
Kyle Kannenberg with the start for UWO today on three days rest against St. Olaf.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rubens finished Game #1 if it's tight and then starts Game #2 for his lone start of the trip, as both are important "in-region" games.
Well I was right about the first part....
Kannenberg goes 5.1 IP giving up one run and leaves with a 2-1 lead.
Rubens comes in and proceeds to give up 5 runs, only one or two of which were earned, and St. Olaf leads 6-2.
St Olaf 6
UWO 2
Top of the 7th
UWO scores five runs in the Top of the 7th to take a 7-6 lead.
Kuepper relieves Luke Vosz, who finished the 6th inning, and proceeds to give up an RBI single to tie things up 7-7. Onto extra innings in Florida....
UWO 7
St. Olaf 7
Top 8th
UWO scores three runs in the Top of the 8th thanks to a two-run single by Nolan Fadness and a Sacrifice Fly from Peter Berg to give the Titans a 10-7 lead.
Kuepper gets through the 8th inning unscathed, to pick up the victory in relief.
UWO 10
St. Olaf 7
FINAL (8 Inn.)
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 01:03:42 PM
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: cubs on March 27, 2009, 11:39:55 AM
Kyle Kannenberg with the start for UWO today on three days rest against St. Olaf.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rubens finished Game #1 if it's tight and then starts Game #2 for his lone start of the trip, as both are important "in-region" games.
Well I was right about the first part....
Kannenberg goes 5.1 IP giving up one run and leaves with a 2-1 lead.
Rubens comes in and proceeds to give up 5 runs, only one or two of which were earned, and St. Olaf leads 6-2.
St Olaf 6
UWO 2
Top of the 7th
UWO scores five runs in the Top of the 7th to take a 7-6 lead.
Kuepper relieves Luke Vosz, who finished the 6th inning, and proceeds to give up an RBI single to tie things up 7-7. Onto extra innings in Florida....
UWO 7
St. Olaf 7
Top 8th
UWO scores three runs in the Top of the 8th thanks to a two-run single by Nolan Fadness and a Sacrifice Fly from Peter Berg to give the Titans a 10-7 lead.
Kuepper gets through the 8th inning unscathed, to pick up the victory in relief.
UWO 10
St. Olaf 7
FINAL (8 Inn.)
Thats a big win for the Titans. Any idea who is starting the 2nd game for UWO?
Big win or not, the lack of ability to close the door for the Titans has to be worrisome to Oshkosh fans.
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 27, 2009, 02:38:03 PM
Big win or not, the lack of ability to close the door for the Titans has to be worrisome to Oshkosh fans.
I agree with that statement.
As expected, Rubens gets the start in Game #2 and gets hit pretty hard. He goes the distance in a 7-1 defeat. Don't have many details on this one, sorry!!
St. Olaf 7
UWO 1
FINAL
Quote from: Brewers20 on March 27, 2009, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 27, 2009, 02:38:03 PM
Big win or not, the lack of ability to close the door for the Titans has to be worrisome to Oshkosh fans.
I agree with that statement.
I will also agree with those sentiments..... Maybe of greater concern however, is the shoddy defense UWO has shown and a less than stellar offense to boot over the first eight games!!!
I know its early and everything but UWO (3-5) has to be worried about the start of the season
They have won 3 games by only 6 runs
- rally to score 3 against Depauw 3-1
- beat thomas 3-2
- rally to score 5 runs in the 7th to beat olaf 10-7 in extras
- outscored 70-40 in 8 games
- 2-4 against top regional teams (olaf/thomas)
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 27, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
I know its early and everything but UWO (3-5) has to be worried about the start of the season
They have won 3 games by only 6 runs
- rally to score 3 against Depauw 3-1
- beat thomas 3-2
- rally to score 5 runs in the 7th to beat olaf 10-7 in extras
- outscored 70-40 in 8 games
- 2-4 against top regional teams (olaf/thomas)
So,what's more alarming/shocking, UW-O's 3-5 start to the season and the manner at which they are getting beat/winning, OR UWW's 6-3 start against fairly stiff competition (including 1 L to D1 U of Washington) with a team BA only slightly north of the Mendoza Line?
Quote from: BoBo on March 27, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 27, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
I know its early and everything but UWO (3-5) has to be worried about the start of the season
They have won 3 games by only 6 runs
- rally to score 3 against Depauw 3-1
- beat thomas 3-2
- rally to score 5 runs in the 7th to beat olaf 10-7 in extras
- outscored 70-40 in 8 games
- 2-4 against top regional teams (olaf/thomas)
So,what's more alarming/shocking, UW-O's 3-5 start to the season and the manner at which they are getting beat/winning, OR UWW's 6-3 start against fairly stiff competition (including 1 L to D1 U of Washington) with a team BA only slightly north of the Mendoza Line?
The Titans are basically one or two games back, depending on the comparison. Definitely in worse shape than I thought they'd be. But if they go 2-2 against UST, I doubt we start hitting the panic button even with the DePauw woodshed job thrown in there. Sketchy UWO pitching and defense is cause for concern (Is that a bad thing ;)?) I'll obviously downgrade UWO on any updated top 25, regional rankings and whatnot, but I still believe in this Oshkosh team. The hole the Titans are in isn't the deepest. However, I think it will take a 3-1 series against Whitewater to get back in the Midwest's top tier. Well, that and a sweep over Westminster. If that doesn't happen first, UWO is obviously in
big trouble.
Anyone lucky enough to see the games in Florida? Any firsthand impressions of the teams?
Quote from: BoBo on March 27, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 27, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
I know its early and everything but UWO (3-5) has to be worried about the start of the season
They have won 3 games by only 6 runs
- rally to score 3 against Depauw 3-1
- beat thomas 3-2
- rally to score 5 runs in the 7th to beat olaf 10-7 in extras
- outscored 70-40 in 8 games
- 2-4 against top regional teams (olaf/thomas)
So,what's more alarming/shocking, UW-O's 3-5 start to the season and the manner at which they are getting beat/winning, OR UWW's 6-3 start against fairly stiff competition (including 1 L to D1 U of Washington) with a team BA only slightly north of the Mendoza Line?
Well that just shows how valuable good pitching and defense is doesn't it? I think the UW-O start is by far more shocking, you never expect the titans to play like that, especially when they have the expectations to be great this year. Maybe it is just freshman jitters, but UW-O always has young guys playing in their lineup and the age factor never seems to be an issue, and in college baseball, after going through fall ball and winter training, the jitters should be worked out of your system. UW-O definitely has something to prove when they come back up north.
As for UWW, never shocked if they're successful, they've always been able to get big wins (minus the WIAC tourney).
I would somewhat agree with you Oshdude that if UWO goes 2-2 against Thomas people arent talking as much.
But the reason for my post was, there 3 wins were all very close and/or had to rally to win. There 5 losses not even close at all. That would be my main concern. And if they do lose to Westminster (Mo) they really need help, because Westminster is really bad (2-12).
I do think UWO is in the top 6 teams in the region, but their early struggles wont allow them to make many mistakes in the WIAC.
I'm not drunk or being sarcastic right now but Point is losing to St. Norbert's at Point 5-1 in the 8th inning of game 1. I had to ask 10 different people if there was a malfunction with the scoreboard. I watched innings 5 through 8 and it wasn't pretty for Point. They absolutely cannot hit a curveball to save their lives and played with no fire whatsoever. I can take the heat so I'll expect it if I'm wrong but Point WILL NOT finish top 4 in the WIAC this year. St. Norbert's is not a good baseball team and has no business being within 10 runs of Point this year. St. Olaf whooped them both games.
Quote from: ShineTime on March 28, 2009, 03:18:30 PM
I'm not drunk or being sarcastic right now but Point is losing to St. Norbert's at Point 5-1 in the 8th inning of game 1. I had to ask 10 different people if there was a malfunction with the scoreboard. I watched innings 5 through 8 and it wasn't pretty for Point. They absolutely cannot hit a curveball to save their lives and played with no fire whatsoever. I can take the heat so I'll expect it if I'm wrong but Point WILL NOT finish top 4 in the WIAC this year. St. Norbert's is not a good baseball team and has no business being within 10 runs of Point this year. St. Olaf whooped them both games.
It got worse, ShineTime before it got better...
...Point loses game one 6-1...but your opinion comes true in the nitecap, an 11-1 victory for the Pointers in 7 innings.
Quote from: ShineTime on March 28, 2009, 03:18:30 PM
I'm not drunk or being sarcastic right now but Point is losing to St. Norbert's at Point 5-1 in the 8th inning of game 1. I had to ask 10 different people if there was a malfunction with the scoreboard. I watched innings 5 through 8 and it wasn't pretty for Point. They absolutely cannot hit a curveball to save their lives and played with no fire whatsoever. I can take the heat so I'll expect it if I'm wrong but Point WILL NOT finish top 4 in the WIAC this year. St. Norbert's is not a good baseball team and has no business being within 10 runs of Point this year. St. Olaf whooped them both games.
I'll take that bet... Point will be fine.
Point came back to win 11-1 in the 2nd game to salvage a split. Delorit and Nix pitched for Point and the bats came alive. I can't remember the last time Point didn't hit a homerun in a home DH. It was about 30 degrees out with the wind blowing in though so I'll cut them some slack. I sure hope they can take 2 from Stout on Wed without having to use Berry or Nix. Anyone have any thoughts on Whitewater-Oshkosh on Wed? I think Oshkosh will split losing the game that Dott throws. How about Rubens getting pounded the other day? I was shocked with his outing but I think some of that can be blamed on the coaching staff not making a role for him. Is he going to be a closer or a starter? I think their best bet is to use him as a starter so they have that good 1-2 punch with Rubens and Mattsen.
Anybody have the Oshkosh/Westminster scores?
As I head to work, Bethel is still undefeated in-region after beating St. Thomas 1-0 in the opener at the Dome. This is going to be a fun year.
Not much of a surprise here but Jordan Zimmerman made the Nationals as the 5th starter. Apparently he found out today and it's on the Nationals website. This is big time.
Quote from: ShineTime on March 28, 2009, 10:57:00 PM
Not much of a surprise here but Jordan Zimmerman made the Nationals as the 5th starter. Apparently he found out today and it's on the Nationals website. This is big time.
I believe this has already been discussed. He will be brought up April 19th
Trivia: As of today there's only one MW team without an in-region loss. Name the team (without looking at a blog).
Quote from: RSSmith on March 28, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Anybody have the Oshkosh/Westminster scores?
Oshkosh eked out two wins, 27-4 and 26-5. Everything is right with the world again ;). Then again UWO trailed in the opener.
Quote from: OshDude on March 29, 2009, 09:06:42 AM
Trivia: As of today there's only one MW team without an in-region loss. Name the team (without looking at a blog).
hmmm, my guess Maranatha. I know they have some losses but dont think they have played an in-region game
Quote from: OshDude on March 29, 2009, 09:58:59 AM
Quote from: RSSmith on March 28, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Anybody have the Oshkosh/Westminster scores?
Oshkosh eked out two wins, 27-4 and 26-5. Everything is right with the world again ;). Then again UWO trailed in the opener.
Considering the competition, that's something that hasn't been determined yet. ;) My guess is sometime around mid-week we'll get a clearer picture.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 29, 2009, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: OshDude on March 29, 2009, 09:06:42 AM
Trivia: As of today there's only one MW team without an in-region loss. Name the team (without looking at a blog).
hmmm, my guess Maranatha. I know they have some losses but dont think they have played an in-region game
Correct. Thought it interesting since MBB isn't the answer to many sports trivia questions.
Quote from: BoBo on March 29, 2009, 10:20:27 AM
Quote from: OshDude on March 29, 2009, 09:58:59 AM
Quote from: RSSmith on March 28, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Anybody have the Oshkosh/Westminster scores?
Oshkosh eked out two wins, 27-4 and 26-5. Everything is right with the world again ;). Then again UWO trailed in the opener.
Considering the competition, that's something that hasn't been determined yet. ;) My guess is sometime around mid-week we'll get a clearer picture.
My wink was supposed to be shorthand for "Nothing is all right with the world yet." Was too lazy to write "just kidding" or whatever.
After watching Point's game 1 performance yesterday against St. Norbert's I'm confident they could find a way to lose to Westminster.
My new midwest rankings since most teams have played many games. In-region in parentheses. Hopefully these are all accurate records
1. CSS 11-2 (2-1) 3 games late in the season against Thomas and Olaf will show if they deserve #1
2. St. Thomas 12-5 (6-4) Looking good so far, Bethel loss doesnt help in the MIAC
3. UWW 6-3 (2-2) Nice wins against Otterbein/Wooster/Carthage/UST. .218 avg is pathetic
4. St. Olaf 11-5 (6-2) Can they keep it going all year.
5. Stevens Point 8-2 (7-2) Bad loss against Norbert. Defense a concern
6. UWO 5-5 (4-4) Need to get going, dont want to be #6 at the end of the season
***Separation of top teams.
7. Bethel 9-9 (4-1) A win against Thomas helps
8. UWS 7-2 (5-1) Need splits against all WIAC teams to make playoffs
9. Bethany Lutheran 8-4 (5-2) Need to play well in the UMAC and take 2 of 3 from CSS
10. Rockford 8-3 (8-1) Need to win NATHCON still
11. LaCrosse 7-3 (4-2) Same boat as UWS
BigPoppa's Week #6 Top 25:
1. Trinity (CT): 12-2 (an unreal run in the last year and a half... 57-3!!)
2. Millsaps: 24-3 (ennergizer bunnies... just keep on going)
3. E Connecticut: 14-1 (Starting to make me a believer in them)
4. TX-Tyler: 24-5 (the cream of the crop in Texas)
5. Wooster: 15-3 (Appear to have the arms to play into June)
6. Salisbury: 21-4 (still unsure about this team, but they have my vote for now)
7. Whitewater: 6-3 (Brutal schedule... need to score more runs if they wish to play in late May)
8. Wheaton (MA): 17-1 (HUGE climb this week... could be the nation's BEST team)
9. Kean: 17-5
10. Chapman: 19-6 (starting to gel)
11. Linfield: 20-3 (Piling up in-region wins)
12. Pomona-Pitzer: 22-3 (Scorching hot right now... Hedman has 15 HRs)
13. Southern Maine: 12-2
14. St. Scholastica: 11-2 (almost warm enough to get outside for a game)
15. Heidelberg: 12-2
16. Cal Lutheran: 20-5 (Will be quite a battle with Pomona-Pitzer in the SCIAC)
17. Buena Vista: 16-2 (Who??? All they do is win games. One run loss to Eastern Connecticut this week)
18. St. Thomas: 12-5 (Tough schedule... )
19. St. Olaf: 11-5 (Tough Schedule...)
20. Marietta: 10-3
21. Cortland State: 14-6 (still think they are overated)
22. Rochester: 15-3 (impressive win this week vs. Cortland)
23. Shenandoah: 22-4 (22 wins!!! regardless of the level of opponent, that is still impressive)
24. Beloit: 10-2 (I know... who have they beaten... better question is who has beaten them?)
25. Augustana (cannot lose to North Central and expect to remain here for long)
Dropped out: Thiel (14-5), Johns Hopkins (8-8), UW-Stevens Point (9-3... horrible loss to St. Norbert), UW-Oshkosh (5-5... brutal schedule should prepare them for WIAC play), York (16-5... 0-3 weeks cannot happen to a team struggling to make a name for itself)
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 30, 2009, 12:04:08 PM
14. St. Scholastica: 11-2 (almost warm enough to get outside for a game)
Almost, I hear Duluth is expecting 5-10 inches of snow in the next couple days. So hopefully they dont have any more games postponed because they already have last weekends 3 games to make up.
Im guessing there drop was due to not playing a game in 16 days which is understandable but that means they will have to bump back up when they get back on the field.
I was a first hand witness to the UW-O train wreck in Florida last week. Here are this fan's inmpressions:
Pitching first - Don't read too much into the bloodbath scores. Lechnir threw out some of the younger pitchers in order to see what they could do. Unfortunately, most of them did nothing but bring out the best in the opposing team's bats. Oshkosh knows it needs to find depth in the pitching staff and they went searching during the games where Rubens/Demmin/Kannenburg didn't throw. Matson did a nice job in his two outings (Depauw & St. Thomas) and he impressed me. Kuepper looked shaky last week, but looked respectable last year so we'll have to withhold judgement. I wasn't impressed with any of the younger guys - I can only hope they come around. Demmin & Rubens both got knocked around a bit - even though the defense didn't help - so that's worrisome, but I'm hoping it just stokes the fire going into the WIAC.
Offense - I can't see the stats yet on their website, but I'm guessing the team hit a little under .250. That won't get it done. Too much inconsistency.
Defense - Now we're in trouble. Middle infield is really rough. We're used to pretty solid guys up the middle, & both are being replaced. Given the performance last week, a lot of work needs to be done.
Competition - Depauw was very good, Thomas just bludgeoned us to death, Olaf is also pretty good, Westminster - well, the scores speak for itself.
Overall - The trip was troubling. 6-4 would have been acceptable given the competition (splits against everyone except Westminster). But I'm not tossing in the towel yet. This team is too good and hasn't really begun hitting on all cylinders yet. The offense will come around - I'm not too worried about that. The defense will need to get a lot better and they definitely need one of their 11 undreclassmen pitchers to step up. There are a ton of innings to be eaten up & some of these guys will have to do the work. The WIAC is up for grabs - let's hope the Titans are hungry enough to bury the teams they should beat & hold serve against WW & Point. No one can afford ugly losses this year.
Quote from: OshDude on March 28, 2009, 08:01:35 AM
Quote from: BoBo on March 27, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 27, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
I know its early and everything but UWO (3-5) has to be worried about the start of the season
They have won 3 games by only 6 runs
- rally to score 3 against Depauw 3-1
- beat thomas 3-2
- rally to score 5 runs in the 7th to beat olaf 10-7 in extras
- outscored 70-40 in 8 games
- 2-4 against top regional teams (olaf/thomas)
So,what's more alarming/shocking, UW-O's 3-5 start to the season and the manner at which they are getting beat/winning, OR UWW's 6-3 start against fairly stiff competition (including 1 L to D1 U of Washington) with a team BA only slightly north of the Mendoza Line?
The Titans are basically one or two games back, depending on the comparison. Definitely in worse shape than I thought they'd be. But if they go 2-2 against UST, I doubt we start hitting the panic button even with the DePauw woodshed job thrown in there. Sketchy UWO pitching and defense is cause for concern (Is that a bad thing ;)?) I'll obviously downgrade UWO on any updated top 25, regional rankings and whatnot, but I still believe in this Oshkosh team. The hole the Titans are in isn't the deepest. However, I think it will take a 3-1 series against Whitewater to get back in the Midwest's top tier. Well, that and a sweep over Westminster. If that doesn't happen first, UWO is obviously in big trouble.
Anyone lucky enough to see the games in Florida? Any firsthand impressions of the teams?
I would certainly be concerned with the defensive struggles, as well as the pitching...but before i read another post about how brutal UWO's schedule has been may I redirect your attention to UWW's schedule of this spring or UWSP's spring schedules of 07 and 08! Yes UWO is playing some good teams, some really good teams, but they are not going out on a limb here and playing the worlds strongest competition (compared to the other conference big dogs). Wooster and Otterbein are very comparable to the tommies and the olies if not better. UWO is in trouble in my opinion. They have always had a strong defensive unit with good pitching, and now they have neither. Hopefully their offense comes alive otherwise things are going to get ugly for them come WIAC play. Strength of schedule excuses aside, uwo is off to a very poor start. I can say however that that fact alone may be deceiving, having been part of teams that bombed both spring trips the last two years, it comes to mean very little once the northern schedule begins...and uwo may very well be the powerhouse that we are all expecting to see...
With that said, I can now move on and say I have no fricken clue right now who to even put in the top 4 come tournament time. obviously I'm going to go ahead and take the big three to find a way to get there, as they all should, but who the fourth team is and what their seeds will be could be anybodies guess right now.
UWSP has shaky defense and still a lot of unproven youngsters, however they have the best rotation in the league hands down. UWW can't hit the broad side of a barn right now, and has had some blunders in the field as well...they too however have a pretty good pitching rotation that has relatively shut down some darn good teams thus far. UWO to be perfectly honest doesn't really have anything to say is working out in their favor right now. Their defense is bad, their pitching has not done well (across the board) and their offensive numbers are lacking, even including the "games" against westminster. Now for the fourth team I couldn't even wager a guess at this point, uwp uws and uwlax all have a legit shot in my eyes, uwstout is out for sure!
Quote from: Dagger on March 30, 2009, 05:33:03 PM
I would certainly be concerned with the defensive struggles, as well as the pitching...but before i read another post about how brutal UWO's schedule has been may I redirect your attention to UWW's schedule of this spring or UWSP's spring schedules of 07 and 08! Yes UWO is playing some good teams, some really good teams, but they are not going out on a limb here and playing the worlds strongest competition (compared to the other conference big dogs). Wooster and Otterbein are very comparable to the tommies and the olies if not better. UWO is in trouble in my opinion. They have always had a strong defensive unit with good pitching, and now they have neither. Hopefully their offense comes alive otherwise things are going to get ugly for them come WIAC play. Strength of schedule excuses aside, uwo is off to a very poor start. I can say however that that fact alone may be deceiving, having been part of teams that bombed both spring trips the last two years, it comes to mean very little once the northern schedule begins...and uwo may very well be the powerhouse that we are all expecting to see...
With that said, I can now move on and say I have no fricken clue right now who to even put in the top 4 come tournament time. obviously I'm going to go ahead and take the big three to find a way to get there, as they all should, but who the fourth team is and what their seeds will be could be anybodies guess right now.
UWSP has shaky defense and still a lot of unproven youngsters, however they have the best rotation in the league hands down. UWW can't hit the broad side of a barn right now, and has had some blunders in the field as well...they too however have a pretty good pitching rotation that has relatively shut down some darn good teams thus far. UWO to be perfectly honest doesn't really have anything to say is working out in their favor right now. Their defense is bad, their pitching has not done well (across the board) and their offensive numbers are lacking, even including the "games" against westminster. Now for the fourth team I couldn't even wager a guess at this point, uwp uws and uwlax all have a legit shot in my eyes, uwstout is out for sure!
The difference in a WIAC team scheduling a Mideast team or a St. Olaf/St. Thomas/St. Scholastica/etc. isn't a matter of strength but risk. Taking out my personal opinion that Wooster is always overrated, I'll agree the Scots are almost always very good (I strongly disagree that Wooster/Otterbein are tougher than UST/SOC ... Otter of past years with Remo on the hill? You may have a case). Yes, that's a potentially good game, depending whether it's ace vs. ace, frosh vs. frosh or a combo. But there's nearly zero risk involved when playing nonregional games. It's one thing to lose to (or even beat) a Ryan Kulik, Remo or Wooster in March, but in the end that's not how you're judged.
Every coach knows the selection criteria. I'm not saying one way is definitely better than the other. But I think the risk in playing a UST or SOC outweighs the perceived wow factor of playing a nonregional perennial power, however loosly that term is defined. Granted, playing a D-I school like UWW did is a neat experience. But you can have the Minnesota D-II schools and nonregional D-III schools. I'd rather risk building a solid resume by playing the best in-region teams as possible. To me playing 38-40 in-region games (with mostly solid-to-great noncons) is tougher than playing 30, no matter who you play in the other 10.
I've always looked at the Point and Ripon noncon schedules with the same indifference. I totally understand the ideas behind playing strong nonregional teams. I even agree with those ideas. But that way of scheduling isn't
tougher. It's a low-risk potential confidence booster mixed with the benefit of variety.
I guess it's hard to argue with Point's recent postseason results, so perhaps you guys have it right, although in my hierarchy continual risk is tougher than any opponent that counts only in the realm of emotions.
I agree that in region games against tough teams are much more of a risk and have the potential to pay off huge, i was simply suggesting that the teams they have been playing should not be a reason for their struggles. UST and USO are both great teams, but so too are wooster and otterbein. I just never heard anyone defending other teams poor starts, this year or in the past, because they had a tough schedule.
As I mentioned ni a previous post this start could potentially mean absolutely nothing, and in one way may be a good thing for the titans as it may light a fire under their butts for the wiac portion of their year...I guess I'm just saying that the schedule they have played is not the reason for their struggles, as others have suggested!
we got to see remo twice and woosters ace both years, it always conveniently worked out that we would play those teams on no rest while they were coming off of two days rest or something like that! We certainly never had a great spring trip but we still had good numbers coming home. Not to mention that on top of playing wooster and otterbein we would always open the season with ust and st schol in the dome! So strength of schedule really shouldn't be depleting offensive numbers like they have so far this year...I think there's something else driving those numbers down. And that goes for several teams across the league this year. None of the big three have put up numbers like you would expect to this point. WIAC ball is right around the corner and is probably the most intriguing year that I can remember as far as what is going to happen.
I'm still sticking to my guns with rankings come postseason:
UWO
UWSP
UWW
UWP
This is my prediction for conference.
1. Oshkosh
2. Whitewater
3. Superior
4. LaCrosse
Point will have a chance for 3rd or 4th but I think their a year away from being great. They just don't have the power hitters this year.
I think its every coaches choice whether they want to take the risk of loading up their in-region schedule(maybe with some cupcakes) or play tougher teams out of conference. Either way I dont think you can go wrong.
I think the big difference in why a team plays 30 in region games compared to 40 games is the spring trip. Usually the coaches dont have the choice who they play and are just set up with who they play (except they dont match up conference foes usually). So basically you hope their are some other in-region teams there and that the program director matches you up.
I looked at the top 5 or 6 teams and CSS didnt get a favorable in region schedule in florida most likely because their spring break was early compared to other midwest schools and just got matched up with many Pennsylvania teams. The positive side of this is that they dont have to worry about playing 6 regional games in a row and worrying about pitching. So to make up for this they always schedule some tough non-conf games such as UST, Olaf, Lacrosse
Quote from: ShineTime on March 31, 2009, 09:43:28 AM
This is my prediction for conference.
1. Oshkosh
2. Whitewater
3. Superior
4. LaCrosse
Point will have a chance for 3rd or 4th but I think their a year away from being great. They just don't have the power hitters this year.
so you're telling me that UWS who hasn't had power hitters for their entire existence, and UWL are going to sneak ahead of uwsp this year!?! Good one. Nothing against UWS or UWL they are both good teams, but there's no chance for UWSP to miss the top 4 this year. and as far as power hitters are concerned, surman, richter and spurney provide as much pop in the middle of a lineup as any team in the conference! Plus arch, fritz, koback and others will no doubt chip in along the way. They played in parks with 20 mph winds blowing straight in the whole time in fl...except for one day (and guess what 4 hrs that day!) and their first home series was blustery and not a batter friendly day. They will be fine, as will UWW and UWO. People take too much out of the spring games, you have to remember that these teams are playing young guys and trying different lineups in order to get prepared for the wiac schedule. Look at UWO, UWW, and UWSP and they all only have a couple guys that started all the games so far, proving that the coaches are simply playing with the lineups to try and find the right one. This often times disrupts some hitters and produces lower numbers. Once wiac play opens their will be a more set lineup and you'll start to see regulars on all the teams take the field everygame!
Power hitters dont win championships anyway, look at points teams of the past...very successful and extremely potent offensively, but no league titles. You watch the WBC at all? How powerful is the japanese team? Seems to me they get by pretty well. Solid pitching will go a long way, and defense to back that up (which point and apparently UWO are both currently lacking) can win you championships with a couple timely hits. Point is too disciplined to miss out on the tournament this year.
Quote from: ShineTime on March 28, 2009, 08:27:10 PM
How about Rubens getting pounded the other day? I was shocked with his outing but I think some of that can be blamed on the coaching staff not making a role for him. Is he going to be a closer or a starter? I think their best bet is to use him as a starter so they have that good 1-2 punch with Rubens and Mattsen.
Can I ask why you are questioning how he is being used this season when it appears his role is going to be nearly identical to what it was last season? The numbers he put up last season in this role were pretty respectable, and good enough to earn him a spot on the All WIAC squad.
Is it because he got hit hard against St. Olaf? If so just remember that in one of Ruben's first appearances last season, he faced three batters in the 9th inning down at Whitewater and proceeded to give up a HR, 1B, and a HR, in a 9-7 loss to the Warhawks. Maybe Rubens is just one of those guys that is slow out of the gate and gets better as the seaon goes along.
Quote from: TitanBystander on March 30, 2009, 02:11:20 PM
I was a first hand witness to the UW-O train wreck in Florida last week. Here are this fan's inmpressions:
Pitching first - Don't read too much into the bloodbath scores. Lechnir threw out some of the younger pitchers in order to see what they could do. Unfortunately, most of them did nothing but bring out the best in the opposing team's bats. Oshkosh knows it needs to find depth in the pitching staff and they went searching during the games where Rubens/Demmin/Kannenburg didn't throw. Matson did a nice job in his two outings (Depauw & St. Thomas) and he impressed me. Kuepper looked shaky last week, but looked respectable last year so we'll have to withhold judgement. I wasn't impressed with any of the younger guys - I can only hope they come around. Demmin & Rubens both got knocked around a bit - even though the defense didn't help - so that's worrisome, but I'm hoping it just stokes the fire going into the WIAC.
I think a guy that earned himself some innings down south was Westphal. He pitched in three games, threw strikes, and only allowed one earned run. I wouln't be surprised to see him start on Thursday against Marian, that is if they get the game in.
Quote from: TitanBystander on March 30, 2009, 02:11:20 PM
Offense - I can't see the stats yet on their website, but I'm guessing the team hit a little under .250. That won't get it done. Too much inconsistency.
You were quite a bit off on this one. Even taking out the numbers from the two games against Westminster (where UWO had 42 hits in 89 AB's) the Titans hit .325 while in Florida. Now just to put that in perspective, they hit .323 as a team last season.
Quote from: TitanBystander on March 30, 2009, 02:11:20 PM
Defense - Now we're in trouble. Middle infield is really rough. We're used to pretty solid guys up the middle, & both are being replaced. Given the performance last week, a lot of work needs to be done.
I will agree with you for the most part here, however just remember that Mickey Fadness was a .975 fielder just two years ago at 2B (compared to Kannenberg's .950 last season.) If Mickey ends up being the "full-time" 2B, don't worry about the defense in that position. As for Jirschele, what you may lose in defense from him compared to Leighton (which I honestly don't think will be as much as it seems right now come the end of the season) you are gaining on the offensive side. I believe he had at least one hit in 9 of the 10 games UWO played in Florida, which was matched by only Nolan Fadness.
Quote from: cubs on March 31, 2009, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on March 28, 2009, 08:27:10 PM
How about Rubens getting pounded the other day? I was shocked with his outing but I think some of that can be blamed on the coaching staff not making a role for him. Is he going to be a closer or a starter? I think their best bet is to use him as a starter so they have that good 1-2 punch with Rubens and Mattsen.
Can I ask why you are questioning how he is being used this season when it appears his role is going to be nearly identical to what it was last season? The numbers he put up last season in this role were pretty respectable, and good enough to earn him a spot on the All WIAC squad.
Is it because he got hit hard against St. Olaf? If so just remember that in one of Ruben's first appearances last season, he faced three batters in the 9th inning down at Whitewater and proceeded to give up a HR, 1B, and a HR, in a 9-7 loss to the Warhawks. Maybe Rubens is just one of those guys that is slow out of the gate and gets better as the seaon goes along.
I agree...not having a set role is most likely the last reason for any of Rubens' poor outings. I do however feel that his use is a little bit odd and not maximized effectively at certain times. He just wore out last season at the end, in part (my speculation) due to the number of outings (not necessarily innings) he threw. Many pitchers struggle to find their stuff until at least a couple games into the season! Especially on the breaking balls and location with the fast ball. It's all about feel, and no matter how good you are it takes a couple outings to get that feel back each year. That's just baseball. rubens is a good pitcher and will be just fine. Just like UWO UWW and UWSP will all be fine as teams this year and will continue to pace the WIAC!
Quote from: Dagger on March 30, 2009, 05:33:03 PM
UWO to be perfectly honest doesn't really have anything to say is working out in their favor right now. Their defense is bad, their pitching has not done well (across the board) and their offensive numbers are lacking, even including the "games" against westminster.
I touched on this in another reply, but lacking compared to what? Even with taking out the Westminster games, they hit .325 on the trip (compared to .323 last season, .312 in 2007, and .305 in 2006.) They hit 7 HR's, and if you project that out to a 40-game schedule they would finish with 28. Last season they hit 29 HR's in 40 games, 41 HR's in 47 games in 2007, and 19 in 42 games in 2006, so that number is comparable as well.
I will give you that the pitching and defensive numbers are cause for concern, but offensively this year's Titans are right along the lines of teams from recent past.
my bad on that one...I was simply using the facts that were available to us by other posters (should have known better). Since UWO can't post any information in a timely manner. I hadn't checked their numbers because they weren't posted. They certainly are putting up solid offensive numbers. I would have no complaints being a titan follower with those numbers!
Quote from: Dagger on March 31, 2009, 03:00:16 PM
my bad on that one...I was simply using the facts that were available to us by other posters (should have known better). Since UWO can't post any information in a timely manner. I hadn't checked their numbers because they weren't posted. They certainly are putting up solid offensive numbers. I would have no complaints being a titan follower with those numbers!
In all fairness, UWO's SID does a pretty good job compared to SOME of the other WIAC schoools, especially with what he has for a staff. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he has gone to Florida with the team when they have gone down there in the past, so it's not surprising that stuff isn't updated daily. To have all the boxscores up a day or two following their return, isn't that bad in my opinion. As a fan I would love to see them the same day as a game just like they are during WIAC play, but it's pretty understandable to have a mall delay.
I played in the days when Oshkosh had two guys each hit over 25 bombs in a season... (Jorgensen hit 39 and Leider hit 25 in 1996... unreal season).
Quote from: cubs on March 31, 2009, 03:16:52 PM
Quote from: Dagger on March 31, 2009, 03:00:16 PM
my bad on that one...I was simply using the facts that were available to us by other posters (should have known better). Since UWO can't post any information in a timely manner. I hadn't checked their numbers because they weren't posted. They certainly are putting up solid offensive numbers. I would have no complaints being a titan follower with those numbers!
In all fairness, UWO's SID does a pretty good job compared to SOME of the other WIAC schoools, especially with what he has for a staff. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he has gone to Florida with the team when they have gone down there in the past, so it's not surprising that stuff isn't updated daily. To have all the boxscores up a day or two following their return, isn't that bad in my opinion. As a fan I would love to see them the same day as a game just like they are during WIAC play, but it's pretty understandable to have a mall delay.
Trying to maintain daily in-region records and peruse every box score has me tempted to send unsolicited resumes for a few SID positions, but it's soooo much better overall than it was a few years ago. It's rare to wait a week or longer for boxes these days, but it still happens (still waiting on one from 3/21). I'm sure it's for a valid reason, but I'm with anyone else who thinks it's annoying. Setting up a contingency plan on campus during vacations or loading your laptop with the programs doesn't seem that difficult. However I will add that I sometimes send short e-mails to SIDs who go above and beyond because it's a fairly thankless job.
yeah, I understand that many of them are probably grossly underpaid and overworked, but it's annoying when you have to wait a week or more. As mentioned most teams are pretty good at getting timely results out the door. All bias aside, jim strick (now with the gophers of minn) who was points old SID was one the best around, which probably explains his new position at a great school! He would travel to all the games, florida, the dome, all away games and have stuff up and on the web before the team even go back to the hotel! I'm not expecting that from anyone, but he was great at his job! There's no reason that SIDs can't get info posted the next day though, even if they are not there.
Quote from: Dagger on March 31, 2009, 04:31:01 PM
yeah, I understand that many of them are probably grossly underpaid and overworked, but it's annoying when you have to wait a week or more. As mentioned most teams are pretty good at getting timely results out the door. All bias aside, jim strick (now with the gophers of minn) who was points old SID was one the best around, which probably explains his new position at a great school! He would travel to all the games, florida, the dome, all away games and have stuff up and on the web before the team even go back to the hotel! I'm not expecting that from anyone, but he was great at his job! There's no reason that SIDs can't get info posted the next day though, even if they are not there.
Is this the same Jim Strick that is from Kimberly? Pretty sure I played high school and legion ball against him. Great guy...
not sure where he's from, but he's definitely a great guy! He deserved to move up to a better job. Point definitely misses him. He always did all the announcing for points athletics (except basketball) and would also do highschool state games and the college world series too.
Yes, Jim is from Kimberly. Actually he'd tell you he's from Combined Locks, he wouldn't care to be lumped in with that Kimberly crowd. ;)
why are you guys posting here instead of the WIAC board? I thought no one was talking anymore till I checked here.
Probably a coincidence, but every box score from both the Central and Midwest regions have now been posted by at least one of the teams (through 3/31).
Count me in as a Jim Strick fan. Great PA at state and the college WS.
Strick replaced me as the PA for a WIAC tournament game in WHITEWATER once. I'd never met him but the instant I heard his voice I recognized it as the PA for the boy's state basketball tournament. He did an awfully good job for the WIAA and at UWSP.
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 31, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
I played in the days when Oshkosh had two guys each hit over 25 bombs in a season... (Jorgensen hit 39 and Leider hit 25 in 1996... unreal season).
In case some guys don't realize it, those totals still rank #1 and #2 all time in the WIAC.
However, just so Mr. Lieder doesn't get too much credit, he "only" had 23 that season, which was in 1995, not 1996. ;D
Quote from: cubs on April 01, 2009, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 31, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
I played in the days when Oshkosh had two guys each hit over 25 bombs in a season... (Jorgensen hit 39 and Leider hit 25 in 1996... unreal season).
In case some guys don't realize it, those totals still rank #1 and #2 all time in the WIAC.
However, just so Mr. Lieder doesn't get too much credit, he "only" had 23 that season, which was in 1995, not 1996. ;D
Cubs- thanks for the correction... it was '95, not '96. I was a junior when we had to open the world series against that offense with Jarrod Washburn on the mound. They also had Jeff Zappa in LF that season. Four All-Americans on one team was unreal.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 01, 2009, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: cubs on April 01, 2009, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 31, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
I played in the days when Oshkosh had two guys each hit over 25 bombs in a season... (Jorgensen hit 39 and Leider hit 25 in 1996... unreal season).
In case some guys don't realize it, those totals still rank #1 and #2 all time in the WIAC.
However, just so Mr. Lieder doesn't get too much credit, he "only" had 23 that season, which was in 1995, not 1996. ;D
Cubs- thanks for the correction... it was '95, not '96. I was a junior when we had to open the world series against that offense with Jarrod Washburn on the mound. They also had Jeff Zappa in LF that season. Four All-Americans on one team was unreal.
I believe you forgot one, as I think Pitcher Kevin Mlodik was also an All American in 1995. For some reason I think the number "five" rings a bell.
If you wanted to take it a step further, they also had three other guys on that team that would end up being future All Americans in Andy Kimball, Aaron Luepke and Eric Morrell.
Wow!!! That team was absolutley LOADED!!!!
Tim Jorgensen was the DIII National Player of the Year in 1995. One of only four WIAC baseball players to earn that honor. The others were Chris Delarvelle (1990, Osh), Vince Mancurso (2003, Osh) and Brady Endl (2004, WW).
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 01, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
Tim Jorgensen was the DIII National Player of the Year in 1995. One of only four WIAC baseball players to earn that honor. The others were Chris Delarvelle (1990, Osh), Vince Mancurso (2003, Osh) and Brady Endl (2004, WW).
I thought that his brother, Terry Jorgenson, won it in his days at Oshkosh as well. I must be wrong.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 01, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
Tim Jorgensen was the DIII National Player of the Year in 1995. One of only four WIAC baseball players to earn that honor. The others were Chris Delarvelle (1990, Osh), Vince Mancurso (2003, Osh) and Brady Endl (2004, WW).
If I'm not mistaken, I believe Tim Jorgensen was a two-time D3 National Player of the Year. I thought he won the award in both 1994 and 1995.
Quote from: Dagger on March 31, 2009, 03:00:16 PM
my bad on that one...I was simply using the facts that were available to us by other posters (should have known better). Since UWO can't post any information in a timely manner. I hadn't checked their numbers because they weren't posted. They certainly are putting up solid offensive numbers. I would have no complaints being a titan follower with those numbers!
Just to make people aware.... The Whitewater at Oshkosh DH is the only one that is providing "live stats" today. Too bad Point and Platteville couldn't do the same to keep those of us at "work" up to date on today's action.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 01, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
Tim Jorgensen was the DIII National Player of the Year in 1995. One of only four WIAC baseball players to earn that honor. The others were Chris Delarvelle (1990, Osh), Vince Mancurso (2003, Osh) and Brady Endl (2004, WW).
You forgot about Steve Wizcek from UWSP. He was awarded the honor as a DH in 2005. I've never seen a person that hot at the plate for a whole season, it seemed like every game was a multi-hit/multi-rbi game for him. His final season line looked like this: .445 avg; 85 hits; 62 runs; 17 2B, 18 HR, 70 rbi's; & .817 slg. It was unreal, especially when he had never been a regular starter before that year and never hit above .250 in a season. He was, however, plagued with some injuries in those years.
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Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 01, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
Tim Jorgensen was the DIII National Player of the Year in 1995. One of only four WIAC baseball players to earn that honor. The others were Chris Delarvelle (1990, Osh), Vince Mancurso (2003, Osh) and Brady Endl (2004, WW).
You forgot about Steve Wizcek from UWSP. He was awarded the honor as a DH in 2005. I've never seen a person that hot at the plate for a whole season, it seemed like every game was a multi-hit/multi-rbi game for him. His final season line looked like this: .445 avg; 85 hits; 62 runs; 17 2B, 18 HR, 70 rbi's; & .817 slg. It was unreal, especially when he had never been a regular starter before that year and never hit above .250 in a season. He was, however, plagued with some injuries in those years.
Numbers like that out of the blue make me think of juicing... at least at the Major League level :) Anyone remember Brady Anderson and his 51 HR season?
Quote from: Brewers20 on April 02, 2009, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 01, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
Tim Jorgensen was the DIII National Player of the Year in 1995. One of only four WIAC baseball players to earn that honor. The others were Chris Delarvelle (1990, Osh), Vince Mancurso (2003, Osh) and Brady Endl (2004, WW).
You forgot about Steve Wizcek from UWSP. He was awarded the honor as a DH in 2005. I've never seen a person that hot at the plate for a whole season, it seemed like every game was a multi-hit/multi-rbi game for him. His final season line looked like this: .445 avg; 85 hits; 62 runs; 17 2B, 18 HR, 70 rbi's; & .817 slg. It was unreal, especially when he had never been a regular starter before that year and never hit above .250 in a season. He was, however, plagued with some injuries in those years.
He also did get to hit between Ryan Jones (17hrs) and Chuck Brehm (14hrs)
2005 midwest regional in my opinion had 4 top 10 teams which rivals the 99' midwest regional. If Scholastica doesnt upset Point in the opening round, Point may have been the world series champ.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 02, 2009, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Brewers20 on April 02, 2009, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 01, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
Tim Jorgensen was the DIII National Player of the Year in 1995. One of only four WIAC baseball players to earn that honor. The others were Chris Delarvelle (1990, Osh), Vince Mancurso (2003, Osh) and Brady Endl (2004, WW).
You forgot about Steve Wizcek from UWSP. He was awarded the honor as a DH in 2005. I've never seen a person that hot at the plate for a whole season, it seemed like every game was a multi-hit/multi-rbi game for him. His final season line looked like this: .445 avg; 85 hits; 62 runs; 17 2B, 18 HR, 70 rbi's; & .817 slg. It was unreal, especially when he had never been a regular starter before that year and never hit above .250 in a season. He was, however, plagued with some injuries in those years.
Numbers like that out of the blue make me think of juicing... at least at the Major League level.
Well if you would've seen Steve's physique that year you would definitely forget about the possibility of juicing. He was about 6'2" 200 pounds, and was not a guy who liked the weight room all that much (not saying he didn't workout, but he wasn't a meat head). I know Steve personally, and he was definitely not on roids that year.
Point could absolutely mash that year. They rivaled the Oshkosh teams of mid-90s.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 02, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
Quote from: Brewers20 on April 02, 2009, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 01, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
Tim Jorgensen was the DIII National Player of the Year in 1995. One of only four WIAC baseball players to earn that honor. The others were Chris Delarvelle (1990, Osh), Vince Mancurso (2003, Osh) and Brady Endl (2004, WW).
You forgot about Steve Wizcek from UWSP. He was awarded the honor as a DH in 2005. I've never seen a person that hot at the plate for a whole season, it seemed like every game was a multi-hit/multi-rbi game for him. His final season line looked like this: .445 avg; 85 hits; 62 runs; 17 2B, 18 HR, 70 rbi's; & .817 slg. It was unreal, especially when he had never been a regular starter before that year and never hit above .250 in a season. He was, however, plagued with some injuries in those years.
He also did get to hit between Ryan Jones (17hrs) and Chuck Brehm (14hrs)
2005 midwest regional in my opinion had 4 top 10 teams which rivals the 99' midwest regional. If Scholastica doesnt upset Point in the opening round, Point may have been the world series champ.
Good point, but if you see the numbers that year, are you really pitching around jones to get to Wizcek. Wheech had better numbers than him the whole year. I would say if anybody benefited from those three it would have been brehm, because when the pitchers got past jones and wizcek, they probably thought they could take a little off, and chucky usually made them pay the price.
And yes that year the midwest regional was insane, WW had one guy that Point couldn't touch and that was Greg Reinhard, if it wasn't for him, i believe SP would've been National Champs in '05.
My bad, I missed Jorgensen in 1994. He was a two time DIII National Player of the Year. At least I got the number of them correct.
However the WIAC website does not indicate Wizcek was a National Player of the Year. It does list him as a first team All-American in 2005 but not a NPOY. I couldn't say if that is an oversight or not.
The guy I remember being an absolute monster, a man among boys, was Mancurso. Though I do not mean to imply that he used vitiam S or anything like that. He was just a big guy who could crush a baseball.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 02, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
He also did get to hit between Ryan Jones (17hrs) and Chuck Brehm (14hrs)
2005 midwest regional in my opinion had 4 top 10 teams which rivals the 99' midwest regional. If Scholastica doesnt upset Point in the opening round, Point may have been the world series champ.
You would know, you pitched that upset for CSS.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 02, 2009, 11:42:37 AM
The guy I remember being an absolute monster, a man among boys, was Mancurso. Though I do not mean to imply that he used vitiam S or anything like that. He was just a big guy who could crush a baseball.
You are right!!! He looked more like a football player than a baseball player.... He's probably the first guy I think of when I think of a guy with opposite field power. I swear he hit more HR's to right/right center than he did to left field.
mancuso was a total freak child. he looked like a sasquatch out there in a baseball uniform playing with a bunch of children! I once ran into the arms of that man in a bench clearing fight and then immediately turned and ran in the other direction :)...hours later I was able to change my underwear!
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 02, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
2005 midwest regional in my opinion had 4 top 10 teams which rivals the 99' midwest regional. If Scholastica doesnt upset Point in the opening round, Point may have been the world series champ.
Geez... Everytime i get close to forgetting the 1999 Regional someone brings it back up again!!! ;D
Nothing like having a great one-year rule for the WIAC to use wood bats, while their opponents are swinging the aluminum come post-season. >:(
Quote from: Dagger on April 02, 2009, 11:51:25 AM
mancuso was a total freak child. he looked like a sasquatch out there in a baseball uniform playing with a bunch of children! I once ran into the arms of that man in a bench clearing fight and then immediately turned and ran in the other direction :)...hours later I was able to change my underwear!
Thanks for the good laugh!!! I was literally picturing that in my head as I was reading it! Hilarious!!! :D
yeah, it's easy to laugh now...but that was not cool at the time!
that's one of those things that your whole life you dream of clearing the benches, and then it happens and you pray, to whatever you pray to, that it never happens again! haha
I was so excited to get out there for my first one and once I got there I looked for a place to hide.
Experiencing a bench clearing brawl myself last year at UWO, I have to say that it was one of the biggest adrenaline rushes I've ever had. Running in from centerfield and seeing it all develop was pretty crazy.
I have seen Mancuso before in street clothes, and i can imagine what he looks like in a uniform. I wouldn't want to run into him either if I was in a brawl.
Quote from: xyz123 on April 02, 2009, 11:46:30 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 02, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
He also did get to hit between Ryan Jones (17hrs) and Chuck Brehm (14hrs)
2005 midwest regional in my opinion had 4 top 10 teams which rivals the 99' midwest regional. If Scholastica doesnt upset Point in the opening round, Point may have been the world series champ.
You would know, you pitched that upset for CSS.
Unfortunately, it was not me. It was Jake Eiler, not sure if he was an all-american but should of been with his stats, 10-2 102 Ks, 7 bbs and was the anchor of the staff that set a ncaa record with 15 shutouts. But its pretty tough to get another all-american pitcher in the midwest besides Reinard and Tomasiewicz who only loss 1 game combined
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 02, 2009, 11:42:37 AM
However the WIAC website does not indicate Wizcek was a National Player of the Year. It does list him as a first team All-American in 2005 but not a NPOY. I couldn't say if that is an oversight or not.
They may go by a different All-American team, in 2005 Wiczek and Reinhard were the D3 player and pitcher of the year according to the NCBWA. http://odac.bridgewater.edu/div3base/2005/2005allamerican.htm
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 02, 2009, 12:59:58 PM
Quote from: xyz123 on April 02, 2009, 11:46:30 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 02, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
He also did get to hit between Ryan Jones (17hrs) and Chuck Brehm (14hrs)
2005 midwest regional in my opinion had 4 top 10 teams which rivals the 99' midwest regional. If Scholastica doesnt upset Point in the opening round, Point may have been the world series champ.
You would know, you pitched that upset for CSS.
Unfortunately, it was not me. It was Jake Eiler, not sure if he was an all-american but should of been with his stats, 10-2 102 Ks, 7 bbs and was the anchor of the staff that set a ncaa record with 15 shutouts. But its pretty tough to get another all-american pitcher in the midwest besides Reinard and Tomasiewicz who only loss 1 game combined
You have been unmasked NR. It has been a mystery for years, but everything is much more clear now.
Unfortunately, it was not me. It was Jake Eiler, not sure if he was an all-american but should of been with his stats, 10-2 102 Ks, 7 bbs and was the anchor of the staff that set a ncaa record with 15 shutouts. But its pretty tough to get another all-american pitcher in the midwest besides Reinard and Tomasiewicz who only loss 1 game combined
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I remember that kid had an unbelievable change-up and had us out in front all day long (well i guess it was over the course of two days because of weather).
Quote from: xyz123 on April 02, 2009, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 02, 2009, 12:59:58 PM
Quote from: xyz123 on April 02, 2009, 11:46:30 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 02, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
He also did get to hit between Ryan Jones (17hrs) and Chuck Brehm (14hrs)
2005 midwest regional in my opinion had 4 top 10 teams which rivals the 99' midwest regional. If Scholastica doesnt upset Point in the opening round, Point may have been the world series champ.
You would know, you pitched that upset for CSS.
Unfortunately, it was not me. It was Jake Eiler, not sure if he was an all-american but should of been with his stats, 10-2 102 Ks, 7 bbs and was the anchor of the staff that set a ncaa record with 15 shutouts. But its pretty tough to get another all-american pitcher in the midwest besides Reinard and Tomasiewicz who only loss 1 game combined
You have been unmasked NR. It has been a mystery for years, but everything is much more clear now.
Touche xyz, I have been outed after all these years or maybe not :)
Interesting regional matchup in 2005, the best of lineups (Point) against the best of pitching (WW-Reinhard and Tomasawick). Plus, if I remember right, it was a 4 team regional rounded out by St. Thomas and CSS. Overall pretty impressive. Honestly I dont believe I have seen a comparatively as potent of a lineup in recent years as Points that year, and besides their 3-4-5, they had power throughout.
Wizcek was the POY in 2005, and well deserved with his line and the way he was hitting the ball that year. Also goes to show you that you never know who will shine in any given year.
NR??
They also had Polomis, Frombach, and Evanoff that year. Joel Hjonacki and Ben Warwick started as freshman. I liked Points lineup Zimmerman's sophomore year when they lost to Marietta first round at the world series. They were stacked with Frombach, Nat Richter, Evanoff, Zimmerman, Schlosser, Byrnes, Brehm, and Scheidler.
What I think the regional rankings would look like if they came out today, not what I think the list will be any later than this second. MW Region standings are also on the blog. We still have 20 teams over .500.
1. St. Scholastica (5-1)
2. St. Olaf (6-2)
3. Bethel (6-1)
4. St. Thomas (7-4)
5. Rockford (10-1)
6. Oshkosh (9-5)
The next six (in no order): Concordia Chicago (10-4), Aurora (9-4), Edgewood (11-3), Stevens Point (9-4), Whitewater (4-4), La Crosse (9-3).
Disagree? Where to slot Bethel was difficult. Given the makeup of the regional committee, I have a feeling two WIAC teams would be on there. But with 1/3-ish of the season in the books, I couldn't justify it right now.
I think it's hard to disagree with those rankings, maybe move bethel down a notch...but I have to think, as you mentioned, that two wiac teams (or more) will end up making the list come may.
I think people should start taking a look at Bethel this year. They are 6-1 against regional opponents, but in conference they are 3-1 against St. Thomas and Hamline who they were 1-3 against last year. This year they have Jay Slick and Tim Oesterlin who are 1,2 in batting average for the overall season for the MIAC and Travis Adams is starting to find his groove. In his first 2 conference starts he has pitched shutout complete games against St. Thomas and Hamline. I can't think of a pitcher who has done that lately. I can see how we should be skeptical of them, since they have been so hit or miss the last few years, but I think this could be a surprise year for them.
Adams threw another 6 scoreless innings against St. Olaf today in a 1-0 victory for the royals. If the Royals can continue to get the occasional rainout and adams can pitch in every league double header they should be in good shape. I certainly don't see them as the third best team in the region, but if they can get some consistent offense and they stop trying to sacrifice bunt every time they get a guy on first base with 0 or 1 out they could make their first run to the conference tourney since 2000.
The first regional rankings are due out on Thursday. Here's how I think they should look for the Midwest and Central regions. I used in-region records through 4/20, which should be what this week's regional rankings reflect. Corrections and/or opinions appreciated. Lots more math available on the blog (http://midwestbaseball.wordpress.com/).
MIDWEST
Team, in-region record, (OWP)
1. St. Scholastica 15-1 (.528)
2. St. Thomas 15-5 (.643)
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater 14-8 (.597)
4. Rockford 15-6 (.579)
5. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 17-8 (.606)
6. St. Olaf 11-7 (.623)
Next four (in no order): Wisconsin Oshkosh 14-10 (.578), Aurora 16-7 (.510), Concordia Chicago 18-6 (.480), Wisconsin-La Crosse 13-10 (.568)
CENTRAL
Team, in-region record, (OWP)
1. Carthage 17-2 (.590)
2. Illinois Wesleyan 18-7 (.580)
3. Webster 20-7 (.517)
4. Buena Vista 18-5 (.462)
5. Augustana 17-7 (.463)
6. Beloit 14-3 (.412)
Next four (in no order): Washington 18-9 (unknown), Wartburg 15-11 (.534), Ripon 8-5 (.638), St. Norbert 12-7 (.538)
Quote from: OshDude on April 20, 2009, 11:06:14 PM
MIDWEST
Team, in-region record, (OWP)
1. St. Scholastica 15-1 (.528)
2. St. Thomas 15-5 (.643)
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater 14-8 (.597)
4. Rockford 15-6 (.579)
5. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 17-8 (.606)
6. St. Olaf 11-7 (.623)
Next four (in no order): Wisconsin Oshkosh 14-10 (.578), Aurora 16-7 (.510), Concordia Chicago 18-6 (.480), Wisconsin-La Crosse 13-10 (.568)
NCAA Mid West Regional Rankings: 4/23
1. St Thomas
2. St Scholastica
3. Whitewater
4. Stevens Point
5. Rockford
6. St Olaf
OshDude- while you are bit off on the order, you did hit the Top 6 in the region on the head. Nice work. I do like your #1 and 2 better than the NCAA. Clearly they are rewarding SOS for St. Thomas over CSS's weak UMAC games.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 24, 2009, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 20, 2009, 11:06:14 PM
MIDWEST
Team, in-region record, (OWP)
1. St. Scholastica 15-1 (.528)
2. St. Thomas 15-5 (.643)
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater 14-8 (.597)
4. Rockford 15-6 (.579)
5. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 17-8 (.606)
6. St. Olaf 11-7 (.623)
Next four (in no order): Wisconsin Oshkosh 14-10 (.578), Aurora 16-7 (.510), Concordia Chicago 18-6 (.480), Wisconsin-La Crosse 13-10 (.568)
NCAA Mid West Regional Rankings: 4/23
1. St Thomas
2. St Scholastica
3. Whitewater
4. Stevens Point
5. Rockford
6. St Olaf
OshDude- while you are bit off on the order, you did hit the Top 6 in the region on the head. Nice work. I do like your #1 and 2 better than the NCAA. Clearly they are rewarding SOS for St. Thomas over CSS's weak UMAC games.
Ditto also and nice job on the Central I think it was perfect. I agree with you guys about CSS but doesnt matter right now because they still play another game against each other which I would think would make the difference on who gets one or two.
Just throwing this out there: Say if UWW, Rockford, Thomas get the A bids and CSS gets the B. Thats 4 teams and with the midwest being down this year do you think they could ship a team into the Midwest. Right now Im struggling to find 6 teams in the midwest that stand out enough to make the tourney. Obviously there is a lot of ball left and things dont always seem to go the way we think they might but just spurring discussion.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 24, 2009, 04:09:16 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 24, 2009, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 20, 2009, 11:06:14 PM
MIDWEST
Team, in-region record, (OWP)
1. St. Scholastica 15-1 (.528)
2. St. Thomas 15-5 (.643)
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater 14-8 (.597)
4. Rockford 15-6 (.579)
5. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 17-8 (.606)
6. St. Olaf 11-7 (.623)
Next four (in no order): Wisconsin Oshkosh 14-10 (.578), Aurora 16-7 (.510), Concordia Chicago 18-6 (.480), Wisconsin-La Crosse 13-10 (.568)
NCAA Mid West Regional Rankings: 4/23
1. St Thomas
2. St Scholastica
3. Whitewater
4. Stevens Point
5. Rockford
6. St Olaf
OshDude- while you are bit off on the order, you did hit the Top 6 in the region on the head. Nice work. I do like your #1 and 2 better than the NCAA. Clearly they are rewarding SOS for St. Thomas over CSS's weak UMAC games.
Ditto also and nice job on the Central I think it was perfect. I agree with you guys about CSS but doesnt matter right now because they still play another game against each other which I would think would make the difference on who gets one or two.
Just throwing this out there: Say if UWW, Rockford, Thomas get the A bids and CSS gets the B. Thats 4 teams and with the midwest being down this year do you think they could ship a team into the Midwest. Right now Im struggling to find 6 teams in the midwest that stand out enough to make the tourney. Obviously there is a lot of ball left and things dont always seem to go the way we think they might but just spurring discussion.
Yes, BaseballFan.
I think so.
The way to look at the tourney is once the 54 teams are selected, then they start getting out the mileage charts. The teams that are 501 miles away from a playoff site get flown somewhere. Everyone else gets bussed!
If a Central team moves into the "Midwest" tourney, then we get a little variation. :)
I wouldnt mind a little variation but I dont want them to do something similar last year-sending Point out and Carthage in. A #5 seed for a #2 seed in their respected regions.
But at this point I think there is a possibility of a team coming into the region.
I don't see many strong C's within driving distance outside the Midwest. Besides the usual suspects (UST, CSS), there are not many world beaters within 500 miles of Oshkosh, including the Mideast. I think the Central projectable C's are even weaker than the Midwest C's. Then again the regionals could come together and become obvious over the next two weeks.
It will be interesting to see how the last few weeks play out. A few key wins or losses here and there can make a big difference. Maybe St. Olaf makes a run and wins the MIAC tourney? Or maybe someone else does?
Any thoughts/predictions on the upcoming in region games between CSS and StO? and will it matter much for either? Also, where would Bethany Lutheran rank on an "expanded" regional ranking?
Quote from: dukes on April 25, 2009, 02:52:36 AM
It will be interesting to see how the last few weeks play out. A few key wins or losses here and there can make a big difference. Maybe St. Olaf makes a run and wins the MIAC tourney? Or maybe someone else does?
Any thoughts/predictions on the upcoming in region games between CSS and StO? and will it matter much for either? Also, where would Bethany Lutheran rank on an "expanded" regional ranking?
CSS should handle them because I think CSS will go with Burg and Kummet. STO needs to save all the starters for the MIAC because they need to get into the MIAC tourney and they have a brutal stretch of 12 games in 8 days.
Apr 25 St Johns DH
April 26 Gustavus DH
April 28 CSS DH
April 29 Hamline DH
April 30 LaCrosse DH
May 2 Carleton DH
Think that schedule may just prove the end of Olaf
Bethany Lutherans OWP really hurts them, I would probably put them about 10 overall in the region. After the top 6 you probably have Oshkosh, La crosse, Aurora, Concordia Chicago. I would put the first three in front of BLC then Concordia Chi after them.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 24, 2009, 05:32:38 PM
I wouldnt mind a little variation but I dont want them to do something similar last year-sending Point out and Carthage in. A #5 seed for a #2 seed in their respected regions.
But at this point I think there is a possibility of a team coming into the region.
Given the choice of EJ Schneider or a quality complex like Augustana, would rather be shipped out than stay in Wisconsin and play at a substandard field. You get to also face teams you don't see as opposed to the same teams again and again.
Some more math available on the blog. Too tired to make a regional-ranking forecast today, but I will tomorrow. Since the numbers are there, what does everyone else think the ranking should be this week?
I'll give it a shot:
1. St. Scholastica
2. St. Thomas
3. Oshkosh
4. Whitewater
5. Rockford
6. Stevens Point
7. Bethany Lutheran
8. St. Olaf
9. Aurora
Will today's games be figured in as far as this weeks rankings go, or will they go on next weeks?
Quote from: cubs on April 29, 2009, 01:48:03 PM
Will today's games be figured in as far as this weeks rankings go, or will they go on next weeks?
About 86% sure Tuesday is the cutoff for regional rankings.
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2009, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: cubs on April 29, 2009, 01:48:03 PM
Will today's games be figured in as far as this weeks rankings go, or will they go on next weeks?
About 86% sure Tuesday is the cutoff for regional rankings.
86% huh?? If you could have at least given me a 88.9% assrance, I might have taken a stab. ;D
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 29, 2009, 12:55:11 PM
I'll give it a shot:
1. St. Scholastica
2. St. Thomas
3. Oshkosh
4. Whitewater
5. Rockford
6. Stevens Point
7. Bethany Lutheran
8. St. Olaf
9. Aurora
I guess I'll chime in before I log off.
1. CSS
2. UST
3. UWO
4. UWW
5. UWSP
6. Rockford
Next four: St. Olaf, Aurora, Carleton, Bethany Lutheran
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2009, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 29, 2009, 12:55:11 PM
I'll give it a shot:
1. St. Scholastica
2. St. Thomas
3. Oshkosh
4. Whitewater
5. Rockford
6. Stevens Point
7. Bethany Lutheran
8. St. Olaf
9. Aurora
I guess I'll chime in before I log off.
1. CSS
2. UST
3. UWO
4. UWW
5. UWSP
6. Rockford
Next four: St. Olaf, Aurora, Carleton, Bethany Lutheran
1. CSS
2. UST
3. UWO
4. UWW
5. Rockford
6. St. Olaf
7. UWSP
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 29, 2009, 02:08:19 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2009, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 29, 2009, 12:55:11 PM
I'll give it a shot:
1. St. Scholastica
2. St. Thomas
3. Oshkosh
4. Whitewater
5. Rockford
6. Stevens Point
7. Bethany Lutheran
8. St. Olaf
9. Aurora
I guess I'll chime in before I log off.
1. CSS
2. UST
3. UWO
4. UWW
5. UWSP
6. Rockford
Next four: St. Olaf, Aurora, Carleton, Bethany Lutheran
1. CSS
2. UST
3. UWO
4. UWW
5. Rockford
6. St. Olaf
7. UWSP
No way CSS is ahead of St. Thomas...
1. UST
2. CSS
3. Oshkosh
4. Whitewater
5. Olaf
6. Point
7. Rockford
8. Bethany
It's time to move Point above Whitewater and Oshkosh.
Quote from: ShineTime on April 29, 2009, 09:53:32 PM
It's time to move Point above Whitewater and Oshkosh.
I say we place them ALL (Entire WIAC) at #6 and let them battle it out. It is so topsy-turvy this year that no one ever knows what to expect.
Dont think UST is above CSS since they lost to St. Marys yesterday but dont think that game will be taken into this weeks poll. I think whoever wins their matchup on sunday will be #1
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 30, 2009, 08:59:04 AM
Dont think UST is above CSS since they lost to St. Marys yesterday but dont think that game will be taken into this weeks poll. I think whoever wins their matchup on sunday will be #1
Yesterdays games won't reflect this ranking. Even if CSS wins on Sunday, I still doubt that CSS overtakes the Tommies in the regional rankings. The regional commitee has shown that the
ONLY thing that seems to matter is strength of schedule. The UMAC does them no favors in that. Having St. Olaf cancel the DH with CSS, and not finishing a half inning against LaCrosse (dome) is a killer for them. I like the fact that CSS at least tries to schedule upper level teams (UST & STO yearly, GUSTIES in the past) but it seems like they lose some of those games on a yearly basis due to weather and MIAC rescheduling policies. Can't wait for Sunday, would love to see Schuld throw again.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 30, 2009, 08:59:04 AM
Dont think UST is above CSS since they lost to St. Marys yesterday but dont think that game will be taken into this weeks poll. I think whoever wins their matchup on sunday will be #1
I see CSS as #1 this week and St. Thomas as #2.
I have Point at #1 they are winning the WIAC. Let's not forget how tough the WIAC is top to bottom.
Quote from: ShineTime on April 30, 2009, 10:21:53 AM
I have Point at #1 they are winning the WIAC. Let's not forget how tough the WIAC is top to bottom.
I am a WIAC guy, but there is absolutely NO WAY Point is #1 in this week's Regional Rankings. Too many Regional losses at this point to even be considered.
1) UST
2) CSS
3) OSHKOSH
4) WHITEWATER
5) OLAF
6) POINT
Remember the last couple day aren't reflected! Plus the UMAC as far as I know has no representation on that commitee which will not help their cause.
SCHEDULE, SCHEDULE, SCHEDULE!!!!!
The regional commitee has proven that the formulas will not be used until selection time based on the past couple years.
Is a schedule worth six (now seven) losses? I bought the four-loss difference last week, but I find it hard to believe that a split against UST and six fewer losses isn't good enough this week. CSS's OWP isn't that bad. But UST's is that good. We'll see, I guess. But I'd be shocked if CSS isn't #1.
Oshdude, get ready to ride the lightning then! CSS gets no love from the commitee, because if any other WIAC or MIAC were playing more consistent they would outrank them as well. We're all assuming that the commitee chooses this by the numbers. IMO they don't. If CSS' OWP isn't that bad than how is BLC such an outcast? CSS has tradition on their side and the UMAC on their backs. Even if CSS wins out, they will NEVER be a #1 seed come regional time. The WIAC & MIAC guys on that commitee will not let it happen.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 30, 2009, 10:48:03 AM
Oshdude, get ready to ride the lightning then! CSS gets no love from the commitee, because if any other WIAC or MIAC were playing more consistent they would outrank them as well. We're all assuming that the commitee chooses this by the numbers. IMO they don't. If CSS' OWP isn't that bad than how is BLC such an outcast? CSS has tradition on their side and the UMAC on their backs. Even if CSS wins out, they will NEVER be a #1 seed come regional time. The WIAC & MIAC guys on that commitee will not let it happen.
Because BLC's OWP
is that bad. My calculator spit out the following OWP's.
UST .637 (in their own ballpark)
CSS .529 (in the same ballpark as St. Olaf and Rockford)
BLC .448 (in the same ballpark as CUW, Beloit, Wash U)
I don't think that CSS gets overlooked by the committee. They are a great ball club and have been for years, but keep in mind they play in an awful conference! With that said I feel like they should be the #1 seed this week with ust right behind them and point right behind them. as for the rest, I guess I will have to wait and see what unfolds in the next couple of days.
Is there anyone in the midwest conference this year that poses a slight threat come regional time? I havn't followed them at all so fill me in please.
Quote from: Dagger on April 30, 2009, 11:52:54 AM
Is there anyone in the midwest conference this year that poses a slight threat come regional time? I havn't followed them at all so fill me in please.
No...
that's what I figured but you never know when somebody will pull a Lakeland on us!
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 30, 2009, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: Dagger on April 30, 2009, 11:52:54 AM
Is there anyone in the midwest conference this year that poses a slight threat come regional time? I havn't followed them at all so fill me in please.
No...
If one comes to Oshkosh, I guarantee it will be more of a threat than Knox was last year. There are a few SPs in the MWC I wouldn't want to face. Everyone wanted to face Knox's SPs.
Quote from: OshDude on April 30, 2009, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 30, 2009, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: Dagger on April 30, 2009, 11:52:54 AM
Is there anyone in the midwest conference this year that poses a slight threat come regional time? I havn't followed them at all so fill me in please.
No...
If one comes to Oshkosh, I guarantee it will be more of a threat than Knox was last year. There are a few SPs in the MWC I wouldn't want to face. Everyone wanted to face Knox's SPs.
The reason I said NO is that the MWC is no longer in the Midwest Region... they are a Central Region conference this year. The NathCON has been shifted to the Midwest Region.
Quote from: Dagger on April 30, 2009, 11:52:54 AM
I don't think that CSS gets overlooked by the committee. They are a great ball club and have been for years, but keep in mind they play in an awful conference! With that said I feel like they should be the #1 seed this week with ust right behind them and point right behind them. as for the rest, I guess I will have to wait and see what unfolds in the next couple of days.
At this time next week I think Point has a GREAT shot at being the #3 team in the Region, but not this week. They went 4-2 in the period following the last rankings, which I'm not sure is good enough to move up two spots. Now if they go and sweep Platteville this weekend, or even take three out of four, their 6-0 or 5-1 week will likely get them to the #3 spot (at worst) in the final set of released rankings.
Not saying that I told you CSS would not be number one but I'm just saying
http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-basebl/auto_pdf/NR-DIIIBB-4-30-09-RegionalPoll
Quote from: biggio34 on April 30, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
Not saying that I told you CSS would not be number one but I'm just saying
http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-basebl/auto_pdf/NR-DIIIBB-4-30-09-RegionalPoll
Pretty crazy.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 30, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
Not saying that I told you CSS would not be number one but I'm just saying
http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-basebl/auto_pdf/NR-DIIIBB-4-30-09-RegionalPoll
I am stunned that St. Thomas can drop a few games and CSS does nothing but win and they cannot move an inch.
The commitee has no intent on running the numbers the way they should be run. What other answer is there.
Regional will be as follows:
2 MIAC's (Ole's / Tommies)
2 WIAC's (Reg Season Champ & Conf. Tourn Champ)
CSS (By Default)
NaThc Auto Bid (?????)
I didn't know that the midwest was moved to the central this year! oops...I need to work less and catch up on this stuff :)
Quote from: Dagger on April 30, 2009, 03:17:41 PM
the midwest conference would need their auto bid in there also...unless they move teams around again.
The Midwest Conference is now part of the
Central Region.....
Quote from: biggio34 on April 30, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
Regional will be as follows:
2 MIAC's (Ole's / Tommies)
2 WIAC's (Reg Season Champ & Conf. Tourn Champ)
CSS (By Default)
NaThc Auto Bid (?????)
I think Point is the best bet for an at-large bid for the WIAC. If they happen to win both the Regular Season title and the Tournament title, I'm not sure Oshkosh or Whitewater's resume's are strong enough for an at-large bid.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 29, 2009, 12:55:11 PM
I'll give it a shot:
1. St. Scholastica
2. St. Thomas
3. Oshkosh
4. Whitewater
5. Rockford
6. Stevens Point
7. Bethany Lutheran
8. St. Olaf
9. Aurora
Midwest Region
1. St. Thomas 23-8 17-7
2. St. Scholastica 29-2 20-1
3. UW-Oshkosh 20-12 19-11
4. St. Olaf 20-10 15-7
5. UW-Whitewater 21-11 17-10
6. UW-Stevens Point 23-11 21-10
Too much love for Rockford, not enough for the Olies! I am moving my discussion to the blogs. ;)
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/04/30/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2/#comments
While I understand in some ways CSS is continually ranked behind St. Thomas, I am lost in others.
I understand you strength of schedule argument, as obviously that is crap for CSS. However, I think it would be interesting to eliminate the mandatory games and see how they compare. Much like the other conferences, it is my understanding they are required to play all their conference games yearly (each team 3 times from the look of the schedule). This is the same for other conferences, but hurts CSS more. If you look at how many games are allotted for the season, then subtract the conference schedule, and subtract much of the Florida spring trip schedule (because many of those games are assigned and may not be the best competition) and then even some of the metrodome games are not always scheduled by the team, but rather by the facility based on availability with some preference to matchups given. My point being, out of a 40 game schedule, a team like CSS may only get to pick 10 games all year, if that, and given the weather and the fact of the MIAC scheduling, those dont always happen.
The part of the discussion I struggle with is how can you compare apples to oranges. I realize the UMAC is horrible, but they cant control that. From all things I have read this year, the WIAC seems down too, but rather than admitting to that, people just say all the other teams have gotten that much better. Same could be true for the MIAC, is Carleton really the #3 team in the conference, and you will tell me how strong your conference is? Maybe STT and STO are just not as strong, which could easily be indicated by St. Marys winning a game (I mean, are you kidding me).
So, while I realize that STT is ranked above of CSS today, I can rationalize that to a point. Much of it is based on past historical success and reputation and some hold onto that longer than they should. STT has been successful in NCAA for many many years, and I applaud that. But CSS, since transitioning to NCAA D3, has been right there too, and lets not forget who was playing in the Regional championship last year, and who they beat to get there.
I do think the winner of Sundays game will be the #1 team, and I look forward to watching it. But honestly, either way, it wont make a difference in the regional.
CSS has beaten 3 regionally ranked teams (Penn St. Behrend, Manhattanvile & UST) and their 2 losses, both to regionally ranked teams (Ursinus & UST).
The WIAC is funny this year, because there's a combination of everyone that's typically good not being as good as they usually are and everyone that's usually not that good competing. Those two things happening at the same time really throws you for a loop, and during a season in which a team can look unbeatable on sat and sun and then look like a high school team on wed, it becomes very difficult to determine who should be seeded where. You really have to rely on in region records and non-conference games this year more than ever to determine where each team should be ranked. Even then it's extremely difficult, and IMO it comes down to school history and the prestige of some programs. If some no-name school is borderline with a UST for example I get the feeling UST would get the nod! This is the hardest year that I have ever seen as far as trying to sort out who should be ranked where in the midwest. I say we just pull a number out of a hat and get it on! :)
Quote from: Dagger on April 30, 2009, 04:33:45 PM
The WIAC is funny this year, because there's a combination of everyone that's typically good not being as good as they usually are and everyone that's usually not that good competing. Those two things happening at the same time really throws you for a loop, and during a season in which a team can look unbeatable on sat and sun and then look like a high school team on wed, it becomes very difficult to determine who should be seeded where. You really have to rely on in region records and non-conference games this year more than ever to determine where each team should be ranked. Even then it's extremely difficult, and IMO it comes down to school history and the prestige of some programs. If some no-name school is borderline with a UST for example I get the feeling UST would get the nod! This is the hardest year that I have ever seen as far as trying to sort out who should be ranked where in the midwest. I say we just pull a number out of a hat and get it on! :)
Yeah, I hate when that "no name team" is #3 in the country. (note the sarcasm)
Reminds me of a few years ago when CSS was ranked #4 in the country in the poll, and #4 in the region (or something like that). So it wouldnt surprise me if it happens in a similar way again this year.
Dagger, are you like a journalism major or what?
Quote from: biggio34 on April 30, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
Not saying that I told you CSS would not be number one but I'm just saying
http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-basebl/auto_pdf/NR-DIIIBB-4-30-09-RegionalPoll
Nicely done, still think sundays game will make the difference. Should be a game, i would guess Burg starting, Kummet in relief against Schuld for #1 seed.
I really wonder if Denning did pitch Schuld against the gophers and not MIAC games so he could come back against CSS knowing that game would probably decide 1 and 2 seed.
I would agree on most likely teams in
Thomas
Olaf
CSS
NATHCON winner
WIAC winner and either WIAC runner up or IF Bethany Lutheran can upset CSS in conference tourney, thats a big IF
Quote from: dukes on April 30, 2009, 04:40:43 PM
Quote from: Dagger on April 30, 2009, 04:33:45 PM
Yeah, I hate when that "no name team" is #3 in the country. (note the sarcasm)
Reminds me of a few years ago when CSS was ranked #4 in the country in the poll, and #4 in the region (or something like that). So it wouldnt surprise me if it happens in a similar way again this year.
Dagger, are you like a journalism major or what?
Let's say hypothetically that the no name school wins 2 of 3 vs the named school, hypothetically knocked the named school out of the regional last year, hypothetically has a better in region record than the named school, and hypothetically is actually pretty good. Should they then still be ranked lower than the named school, just because of their name?
NAC Tournament field is nearly set. There's a chance Marian could catch Aurora but I doubt it. Looks very likely to be Rockford, CUC, CUW and Aurora. Who gets what seed is up for grabs. Virtually zero chance of a Pool C bid here, so it's winner take all in Loves Park. The NAC Tournament web site is up. They'll have Live Stats and Live Audio for every game.
http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/nacbaseball
Quote from: cubs on April 30, 2009, 03:20:14 PM
Quote from: Dagger on April 30, 2009, 03:17:41 PM
the midwest conference would need their auto bid in there also...unless they move teams around again.
The Midwest Conference is now part of the Central Region.....
Don't rule out a MWC team at the Oshkosh Regional, though. The NAC winner could easily go to Illinois, and there's countless other scenarios in which the MWC Pool A plays in Oshkosh.
St Thomas locked up a 1 seed after beating Scholastica 4-3 today. Schuld threw a CG for the win. Scholastica had their chances but made 3 poor baserunning errors that ran them out of innings.
1. Thomas
2. CSS
3. UWO
4. UWW
5. Olaf
6. Point
Quote from: Just Bill on April 30, 2009, 08:56:28 PM
NAC Tournament field is nearly set. There's a chance Marian could catch Aurora but I doubt it. Looks very likely to be Rockford, CUC, CUW and Aurora. Who gets what seed is up for grabs. Virtually zero chance of a Pool C bid here, so it's winner take all in Loves Park. The NAC Tournament web site is up. They'll have Live Stats and Live Audio for every game.
Whoops! CUW lost four games on the weekend, including two to Benedictine to fall all the way out of the tourney. BU slides into the fourth spot. CUC has clinced the number 1 seed.
http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/nacbaseball
Beloit edges Ripon 4-3 with a walkoff hit today to get into MWC tourney.
Does anyone think Beloit could have a shot at an NCAA tourney at-large bid if they dont win this weekend?
If they made it to the MWC tourney finals and lost out of the winners bracket they finish 27-9.
If the go from the loser's bracket and win the first tourney title game, they finish 28-9.
Would this give them a shot???
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on May 04, 2009, 08:45:36 PM
Beloit edges Ripon 4-3 with a walkoff hit today to get into MWC tourney.
Does anyone think Beloit could have a shot at an NCAA tourney at-large bid if they dont win this weekend?
If they made it to the MWC tourney finals and lost out of the winners bracket they finish 27-9.
If the go from the loser's bracket and win the first tourney title game, they finish 28-9.
Would this give them a shot???
MWC is no longer in the midwest region, in other words probably not the best place to talk about a conference no longer in this region.
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on May 04, 2009, 08:45:36 PM
Beloit edges Ripon 4-3 with a walkoff hit today to get into MWC tourney.
Does anyone think Beloit could have a shot at an NCAA tourney at-large bid if they dont win this weekend?
If they made it to the MWC tourney finals and lost out of the winners bracket they finish 27-9.
If the go from the loser's bracket and win the first tourney title game, they finish 28-9.
Would this give them a shot???
Do they have a shot?......yes, definitely
But you never know what the committee will do. If they do get in, they will get one of the last Pool C bids. The last bids will come down to teams like Beloit, St. Olaf, Luther, and WIAC #2 team.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 04, 2009, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on May 04, 2009, 08:45:36 PM
Beloit edges Ripon 4-3 with a walkoff hit today to get into MWC tourney.
Does anyone think Beloit could have a shot at an NCAA tourney at-large bid if they dont win this weekend?
If they made it to the MWC tourney finals and lost out of the winners bracket they finish 27-9.
If the go from the loser's bracket and win the first tourney title game, they finish 28-9.
Would this give them a shot???
Do they have a shot?......yes, definitely
But you never know what the committee will do. If they do get in, they will get one of the last Pool C bids. The last bids will come down to teams like Beloit, St. Olaf, Luther, and WIAC #2 team.
Two things:
1. The MWC is no longer a Midwest region conference, they shifted to the Central in 2009.
2. Pool C bids are handed out nationally, not regionally. If you can make an argument why Beloit is better than a team like Montclair State, Kean, Millsaps, etc... then you can make a case for Beloit gaining a Pool C. I do not see it happening. Beloit needed to roll through the MWC if they were a top-notch team. In reality, they finished second in their half of the league. That is not befitting of a national contender-type team.
Here's my stab at tomorrow's RR.
1. St. Thomas
2. Stevens Point
3. St. Scholastica
4. St. Olaf
5. Concordia Chicago
6. Oshkosh
Next four: Whitewater, Rockford, Aurora, Hamline
Mark Moriarty a graduate of St. Scholastica 07' signed with the St. Paul Saints. Moriarty takes the roster spot of highly touted soon to be draftee Tanner Scheppers (top 5 pick)
Other midwest players playing for the Saints:
Andrew Bennett-Hamline
Dan Kaczrowski- Hamline
Andrew Schmiesing- Olaf
Lonnie Robinson- Thomas
Corey Kemp became the new head coach for the St. Scholastica Saints today
Things are really quiet, surprised the talk hasnt picked up with spring practices starting, preseason rankings are out, and the midwest preview.
Little more than a week until some intriguing in-region February openers at the Dome.
2/24 St. Olaf vs. Buena Vista
2/25 Bethel vs. Northwestern (MN)
2/26 Macalester vs. Wartburg
2/28 Carleton vs. Bethany
Others of interest:
2/27 Coe vs. Wash U @ St. Louis
2/28 Coe vs. Fontbonne @ St. Louis
SOC has a particularly important opener. BV should be a good test.
Hoping potential All-American James Murrey starts for Mac. Will Mac finish top four in the MIAC for the first time since 2000? I don't see why not.
Bethany gets its hyped season underway against a good team.
Coe vs. Wash U could be important come Central regional rankings time. If it gets played, that is.
Quote from: OshDude on February 16, 2010, 02:54:26 AM
Little more than a week until some intriguing in-region February openers at the Dome.
2/24 St. Olaf vs. Buena Vista
2/25 Bethel vs. Northwestern (MN)
2/26 Macalester vs. Wartburg
2/28 Carleton vs. Bethany
Others of interest:
2/27 Coe vs. Wash U @ St. Louis
2/28 Coe vs. Fontbonne @ St. Louis
SOC has a particularly important opener. BV should be a good test.
Hoping potential All-American James Murrey starts for Mac. Will Mac finish top four in the MIAC for the first time since 2000? I don't see why not.
Bethany gets its hyped season underway against a good team.
Coe vs. Wash U could be important come Central regional rankings time. If it gets played, that is.
Predictions...
2/24 St. Olaf vs. Buena Vista - Oles Sweep
2/25 Bethel vs. Northwestern (MN) - Bethel Sweep
2/26 Macalester vs. Wartburg - Split
2/28 Carleton vs. Bethany - Bethany Sweep
Quote from: biggio34 on February 17, 2010, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: OshDude on February 16, 2010, 02:54:26 AM
Little more than a week until some intriguing in-region February openers at the Dome.
2/24 St. Olaf vs. Buena Vista
2/25 Bethel vs. Northwestern (MN)
2/26 Macalester vs. Wartburg
2/28 Carleton vs. Bethany
Others of interest:
2/27 Coe vs. Wash U @ St. Louis
2/28 Coe vs. Fontbonne @ St. Louis
SOC has a particularly important opener. BV should be a good test.
Hoping potential All-American James Murrey starts for Mac. Will Mac finish top four in the MIAC for the first time since 2000? I don't see why not.
Bethany gets its hyped season underway against a good team.
Coe vs. Wash U could be important come Central regional rankings time. If it gets played, that is.
Predictions...
2/24 St. Olaf vs. Buena Vista - Oles Sweep
2/25 Bethel vs. Northwestern (MN) - Bethel Sweep
2/26 Macalester vs. Wartburg - Split
2/28 Carleton vs. Bethany - Bethany Sweep
Bethel always seems to have trouble with Northwestern.
Murrey will keep MAC in every game that he pitches. Wilson-Traisman is one of the top SS offensively and Graham Brown and Devin English are solid players as well. MAC should be a contender all year.
Olaf should handle BV with no problem. They are too well coached and have too many weapons offensively.
I am undecided about Bethany and Carleton. Carleton lost Guevin, their all-conference ace and I am unsure who else they return besides Fujisawa. But I have a hard time believing that Bethany is legit and will contend with St. Scholastica for the UMAC crown. It's hard to give that conference much respect outside of a proven St. Scho program but we will see.
I'm excited to get things started!
Quote from: jmbaseball06 on February 17, 2010, 10:53:17 AM
But I have a hard time believing that Bethany is legit and will contend with St. Scholastica for the UMAC crown. It's hard to give that conference much respect outside of a proven St. Scho program but we will see.
As a UMAC fan and attendee of last years conference tourney, I can assure you that Bethany deserves respect and if they didnt earn it with the season they had last year, this years squad will undoubtly do so.
I still don't know how you can measure a team's success in that conference until they are proven in a regional setting. Their numbers are incredible as a team, I don't disagree with that. I just want to see how they fare in their non-conference schedule this year. I feel that if you put any average MIAC team in that conference they do just as well. I could totally be wrong and I admit that I don't have the best knowledge of the UMAC. I am just agreeing with what I have heard in seasons past, and will most likely continue to hold the same belief until I see otherwise.
Quote from: jmbaseball06 on February 17, 2010, 05:33:43 PM
I still don't know how you can measure a team's success in that conference until they are proven in a regional setting. Their numbers are incredible as a team, I don't disagree with that. I just want to see how they fare in their non-conference schedule this year. I feel that if you put any average MIAC team in that conference they do just as well. I could totally be wrong and I admit that I don't have the best knowledge of the UMAC. I am just agreeing with what I have heard in seasons past, and will most likely continue to hold the same belief until I see otherwise.
I would have to strongly disagree. BLC played 3 very close games against Hamline and Carleton, going 1-2. They also beat scholastica once and a strong RPI team. Definately this year will show how they match up against the region better than last year but if you ask anyone who saw them play will say that they can play with everyone in the region. You can probably take the top 4 in MIAC and do just as well as BLC. Normally the UMAC isnt much but bethany has put together a solid team this year.
Their 11 games against the MIAC and 3 against CSS should show how good they really are
Hamline and Carleton are not regional powers. If Bethany wants to be considered a regional contender, they need to beat regional contenders consistently (UST, St. Olaf, St. Scholastica, Stevens Point, Whitewater, Oshkosh, etc...). Simply winning a ton of games in the UMAC (which is a terrible baseball conference except for a great CSS and a bit above average Bethany) is not going to do it for them. If they did not get in last year with their sparkling record and St. Norbert did at 19-12 based on strength of schedule, then Bethany needs to work on building its schedule with contenders.
Both Bethany and Pacific Lutheran were left out last year after stellar seasons for team with better SOSs. I think the committee spoke loud and clear last year as to what they want to see for an at-large bid.
Quote from: jmbaseball06 on February 17, 2010, 05:33:43 PM
I still don't know how you can measure a team's success in that conference until they are proven in a regional setting. Their numbers are incredible as a team, I don't disagree with that. I just want to see how they fare in their non-conference schedule this year. I feel that if you put any average MIAC team in that conference they do just as well. I could totally be wrong and I admit that I don't have the best knowledge of the UMAC. I am just agreeing with what I have heard in seasons past, and will most likely continue to hold the same belief until I see otherwise.
I was in no way trying to say that Bethany has proven anything regionally or that they are a regional contender... yet. They still have a long way to go to be considered in that conversation. I noticed that they did strengthen their non conference schedule this year, so as BaseballFan said, this year will show what they are made of.
Bethany will score with anyone in the country, the question with them will be how will their pitching be? The Dorris kid does extremely well against the UMAC schedule, but did little against the likes of CSS, so we'll have to see what he can do against Olaf, CSS, Buena Vista. I did see on their website that they got some transfers in though to help on the bump. So we shall see if some added depth on the mound will eliminate some of the BAD losses they took last year that cost them a bid! CSS will have their hands full for sure.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on February 19, 2010, 09:39:16 AM
Bethany will score with anyone in the country, the question with them will be how will their pitching be? The Dorris kid does extremely well against the UMAC schedule, but did little against the likes of CSS, so we'll have to see what he can do against Olaf, CSS, Buena Vista. I did see on their website that they got some transfers in though to help on the bump. So we shall see if some added depth on the mound will eliminate some of the BAD losses they took last year that cost them a bid! CSS will have their hands full for sure.
Again, having never seen Bethany Lutheran play, I still find it hard to say that they can score with anyone in the country. I feel like that's a pretty big stretch being that you have to consider that their numbers come in the UMAC. And also, if they score with anyone in the country the tournament committee didn't seem to agree last year, otherwise they should have made an at-large bid.
Quote from: jmbaseball06 on February 19, 2010, 01:26:20 PM
Quote from: BRONKO7 on February 19, 2010, 09:39:16 AM
Bethany will score with anyone in the country, the question with them will be how will their pitching be? The Dorris kid does extremely well against the UMAC schedule, but did little against the likes of CSS, so we'll have to see what he can do against Olaf, CSS, Buena Vista. I did see on their website that they got some transfers in though to help on the bump. So we shall see if some added depth on the mound will eliminate some of the BAD losses they took last year that cost them a bid! CSS will have their hands full for sure.
Again, having never seen Bethany Lutheran play, I still find it hard to say that they can score with anyone in the country. I feel like that's a pretty big stretch being that you have to consider that their numbers come in the UMAC. And also, if they score with anyone in the country the tournament committee didn't seem to agree last year, otherwise they should have made an at-large bid.
I think what Bronko7 is trying to say is that their offense is respectable and could hang in there with other offenses in the region or country. That doesn't however mean that the team overall can hang with the best teams. The question marks for Bethany come in their starting rotation, bullpen, and in the field. If this team can consistently make plays and has improved its level of pitching, they are right up there and should be considered as a contender for a bid come May.
And you are correct to completely disrespect the UMAC, it doesn't deserve any respect. But that doesn't mean that Bethany isn't a decently legit squad.
2010 NAC Baseball Preseason Coaches' Poll
1. Rockford, 131 (5)
2. Aurora, 124 (2)
CUC, 124 (4)
4. CUW, 104
5. Edgewood, 97
6. Benedictine, 89 (1)
7. Marian, 71
8. Dominican, 65
9. Lakeland, 52
10. MSOE, 34
11. WLC, 33
12. Maranatha, 12
Full story: http://northernac.org/releases/2010/2010_02/20100219b.html
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 17, 2010, 08:45:43 PM
Hamline and Carleton are not regional powers. If Bethany wants to be considered a regional contender, they need to beat regional contenders consistently (UST, St. Olaf, St. Scholastica, Stevens Point, Whitewater, Oshkosh, etc...). Simply winning a ton of games in the UMAC (which is a terrible baseball conference except for a great CSS and a bit above average Bethany) is not going to do it for them. If they did not get in last year with their sparkling record and St. Norbert did at 19-12 based on strength of schedule, then Bethany needs to work on building its schedule with contenders.
Both Bethany and Pacific Lutheran were left out last year after stellar seasons for team with better SOSs. I think the committee spoke loud and clear last year as to what they want to see for an at-large bid.
In no way was I justifying Hamline and Carleton were regional powers but placed 3rd and 4th in the MIAC.
Quote from: OshDude on February 16, 2010, 02:54:26 AM
Little more than a week until some intriguing in-region February openers at the Dome.
2/24 St. Olaf vs. Buena Vista
2/25 Bethel vs. Northwestern (MN)
2/26 Macalester vs. Wartburg
2/28 Carleton vs. Bethany
Others of interest:
2/27 Coe vs. Wash U @ St. Louis
2/28 Coe vs. Fontbonne @ St. Louis
SOC has a particularly important opener. BV should be a good test.
Hoping potential All-American James Murrey starts for Mac. Will Mac finish top four in the MIAC for the first time since 2000? I don't see why not.
Bethany gets its hyped season underway against a good team.
Coe vs. Wash U could be important come Central regional rankings time. If it gets played, that is.
St. John's also opens today vs. Concordia-St. Paul. I didn't mention it before because it's not in-region. But why I
am mentioning it is because SJU will provide live stats and audio (MN Sports Network) – our first taste of live MW baseball, unless of course you're lucky enough to catch SOC vs. BVU live at the Dome tonight at 9:45. Nothing like getting to bed at about 4 a.m. after a DH on a school night ...
The SJU DH starts at 12:15 p.m. Link to live coverage (http://www.gojohnnies.com/news/2010/2/23/BASEBALL_0223103601.aspx?path=baseball).
EDIT: The MSBN will also carry the Bethel vs. Northwestern games tomorrow night at 9:45.
I actually considered attending the BV/STO games tonight, but I think I'll be in bed before the first pitch.
Tonights the first big set of games in the Midwest with CSS and St. Thomas playing a DH at 6 PM
0--0 between CSS and Thomas in bottom of 4
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 07, 2010, 08:11:00 PM
0--0 between CSS and Thomas in bottom of 4
Saints up 3-0 after 4 innings
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Live Audio: http://www.webc560.com/common/wm_player.php
Tommies vs Saints thoughts.
This was/is a very even matchup. Both of these teams are solid. The first game especially was a thrill to watch. A well played game with good back and forth action.
Saints...
They are going to match up well against anyone both defensively and offensively but it looks like the pitching is suspect. They probably should have won the first game but their staff couldn't hold the lead. Schuld is Schuld, fun to watch, and he overmatched CSS in the second game. The freshman (forget the name) who tossed game 2 for CSS had a nice mix. I was impressed by the shortstop in the field. This is a good team that has a chance to be alot better if their pitching can figure it out.
Tommies...
They are who they always are. They take advantage of mistakes, are fundamentally tough, and the most mentally prepared team who always finds a way. The lineup is not overwhelminly good, but collectively they get it done, are relaxed, and they have a good approaches at the plate. Schuld is Schuld, fun to watch. Anyone know how many pitches he threw? This team has room to get better and sharpen up a bit, but it was an impressive start to their season.
Metrodome...
Turn the lights on please. You really can't see the ball in the roof at all when there are only 10 lights on in the whole place.
Pretty good assessment Biggo34, but I think the pitching needs time. They'll rely on the offense to get them though a lot games after the first 3-4.
And yes, when the Gopher game ended yesterday and they turned off the other banks it was like they shut the lights out completely. For as much as they charge to be in there you'd think they could leave those on.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 08, 2010, 09:22:31 AM
Tommies vs Saints thoughts.
This was/is a very even matchup. Both of these teams are solid. The first game especially was a thrill to watch. A well played game with good back and forth action.
Saints...
They are going to match up well against anyone both defensively and offensively but it looks like the pitching is suspect. They probably should have won the first game but their staff couldn't hold the lead. Schuld is Schuld, fun to watch, and he overmatched CSS in the second game. The freshman (forget the name) who tossed game 2 for CSS had a nice mix. I was impressed by the shortstop in the field. This is a good team that has a chance to be alot better if their pitching can figure it out.
Tommies...
They are who they always are. They take advantage of mistakes, are fundamentally tough, and the most mentally prepared team who always finds a way. The lineup is not overwhelminly good, but collectively they get it done, are relaxed, and they have a good approaches at the plate. Schuld is Schuld, fun to watch. Anyone know how many pitches he threw? This team has room to get better and sharpen up a bit, but it was an impressive start to their season.
Metrodome...
Turn the lights on please. You really can't see the ball in the roof at all when there are only 10 lights on in the whole place.
The Saints will have a lot of guys get a lot of work this year which I think will benefit them. In years past they have had 2 top notch pitchers who would carry the load, but think they will spread the innings around this. Its too bad that Hawkins kid had to leave the game, would of been interesting to see how the first game ends if any different. Nice day for Saints freshman pitcher and the kid who hit the bomb.
Thomas is Thomas, nothing new to report there they will be keep their usual reservation in the regional playoffs.
On a side note, I looked up the kid who hit the bomb and see he is from Wisconsin. how did he escape the WIAC
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 08, 2010, 07:18:20 PM
On a side note, I looked up the kid who hit the bomb and see he is from Wisconsin. how did he escape the WIAC
He played baseball for two junior colleges and turned down a D-II baseball scholarship in order to play football and baseball at CSS, according to a bio I read.
Quote from: OshDude on March 08, 2010, 07:56:53 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 08, 2010, 07:18:20 PM
On a side note, I looked up the kid who hit the bomb and see he is from Wisconsin. how did he escape the WIAC
He played baseball for two junior colleges and turned down a D-II baseball scholarship in order to play football and baseball at CSS, according to a bio I read.
Gotcha, misread that he was a junior
Is Jeremy Reubens actually going to play for Oshkosh this year I noticed he's on the roster? Did he get Tommy John surgery and was it successful? When he's healthy I wouldn't mind him transferring to Point.
If you're interested, Live stats Hamline vs. UW-Whitewater DH (http://www.hamline.edu/livestats/bb/xlive.htm) (started @ 2 p.m.).
Quote from: OshDude on March 11, 2010, 03:06:04 PM
If you're interested, Live stats Hamline vs. UW-Whitewater DH (http://www.hamline.edu/livestats/bb/xlive.htm) (started @ 2 p.m.).
Every time the page refreshes WW has more runs.
WW is going to average about 15 runs or more per game this year. They are stacked and have 3-4 potential all americans in their lineup. I can't see anyone beating them when Hooper and Leitner are on the mound. I give them a little edge over Point offensively.
Quote from: pickleshiner on March 12, 2010, 12:51:41 PM
WW is going to average about 15 runs or more per game this year. They are stacked and have 3-4 potential all americans in their lineup. I can't see anyone beating them when Hooper and Leitner are on the mound. I give them a little edge over Point offensively.
Hyperbole or are you serious? I'm gullible or taking bait, I guess, but something tells me you're serious.
Quote from: OshDude on March 12, 2010, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: pickleshiner on March 12, 2010, 12:51:41 PM
WW is going to average about 15 runs or more per game this year. They are stacked and have 3-4 potential all americans in their lineup. I can't see anyone beating them when Hooper and Leitner are on the mound. I give them a little edge over Point offensively.
Hyperbole or are you serious? I'm gullible or taking bait, I guess, but something tells me you're serious.
Pickle must be getting after you, Dude. Last year, Whitewater averaged 6 runs a game, and that wasn't too shabby a season.
Pickleshiner (or Shine Time) has a habit of gross overreaction both positively and negatively. Take everything he says and cut it in half.
For all you night owls, Edgewood and Concordia Moorhead are playing a DH tonight. Live stats: http://www.sidearmstats.com/edgewood/baseball/index.htm
Quote from: Just Bill on March 12, 2010, 04:43:27 PM
Pickleshiner (or Shine Time) has a habit of gross overreaction both positively and negatively. Take everything he says and cut it in half.
Couldn't have said it better myself!!!! Next thing you know he'll be saying the Manawa Spurs are better than Point after they lose their next game. :o
I wouldn't go that far but have to say former Pointer Pitcher Jeremy Dunnihoo is the Spurs pitcher and when on would give Point's lineup fits. He's a pretty solid pitcher and if the guy St. Olaf had out there could shut Point out well I have to think it's possible Dunnihoo could.
Tonight: St. Johns v Bethany Lutheran. It will be insteresting to see how Bethany does against another middle of the road MIAC team. They have done well so far going 3-1 against Carleton and Augsburg. I don't know much about either of these teams but looking at the numbers it should be a pretty good matchup with possibly a slight edge in Bethany's favor. Thoughts? Predicitons?
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 17, 2010, 02:13:29 PM
Tonight: St. Johns v Bethany Lutheran. It will be insteresting to see how Bethany does against another middle of the road MIAC team. They have done well so far going 3-1 against Carleton and Augsburg. I don't know much about either of these teams but looking at the numbers it should be a pretty good matchup with possibly a slight edge in Bethany's favor. Thoughts? Predicitons?
I'll take the Johnnies in a close game.
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 17, 2010, 02:13:29 PM
Tonight: St. Johns v Bethany Lutheran. It will be insteresting to see how Bethany does against another middle of the road MIAC team. They have done well so far going 3-1 against Carleton and Augsburg. I don't know much about either of these teams but looking at the numbers it should be a pretty good matchup with possibly a slight edge in Bethany's favor. Thoughts? Predicitons?
I'll take the Johnnies in a close game.
If Ashton Dorris is ready to pitch then I will go with a Bethany sweep. If not, I'll guess it will be a split.
Anybody know why the Carthage/St. Thomas game was moved from 7:30 to a 9:45 PM start in the Metrodome on Saturday night?
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 17, 2010, 04:29:35 PM
Anybody know why the Carthage/St. Thomas game was moved from 7:30 to a 9:45 PM start in the Metrodome on Saturday night?
I would guess its because the Gopher game got changed, although I don't see that on their website. The Gopher games have priority over anything else going on. That's a guess though.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 17, 2010, 04:57:30 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 17, 2010, 04:29:35 PM
Anybody know why the Carthage/St. Thomas game was moved from 7:30 to a 9:45 PM start in the Metrodome on Saturday night?
I would guess its because the Gopher game got changed, although I don't see that on their website. The Gopher games have priority over anything else going on. That's a guess though.
Scratch that, the Gophers are in Alabama. -1 for me
Quote from: biggio34 on March 17, 2010, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 17, 2010, 02:13:29 PM
Tonight: St. Johns v Bethany Lutheran. It will be insteresting to see how Bethany does against another middle of the road MIAC team. They have done well so far going 3-1 against Carleton and Augsburg. I don't know much about either of these teams but looking at the numbers it should be a pretty good matchup with possibly a slight edge in Bethany's favor. Thoughts? Predicitons?
I'll take the Johnnies in a close game.
If Ashton Dorris is ready to pitch then I will go with a Bethany sweep. If not, I'll guess it will be a split.
I would agree, probably 2 close games
Bethany Lutheran is looking like a strong contender for a regional bid with a nice start to their season. I believe they are 7-1 in region (with alot of easy in region conference wins still to come) and 8-2 overall. Also I see that they changed their schedule and added Oshkosh on the 25th to make up for some games that got rained out in florida. That should be an interesting matchup....
Yes, 7-1 is good. But, and Bethany Lutheran is going to hear this a lot again, their OWP is already weak. It's around .125 by my count and that's awful. With a very weak UMAC schedule coming up (they're 19-33 as a conference so far and 14 of those wins are form BLC and CSS), that's not a good sign. They better hope their opponents start winning (against other teams).
Quote from: biggio34 on March 18, 2010, 09:02:24 AM
Bethany Lutheran is looking like a strong contender for a regional bid with a nice start to their season. I believe they are 7-1 in region (with alot of easy in region conference wins still to come) and 8-2 overall. Also I see that they changed their schedule and added Oshkosh on the 25th to make up for some games that got rained out in florida. That should be an interesting matchup....
I noticed that as well..... I would guess that Augsburg and CSS would revert back to their originally scheduled DH now as well, instead of each playing Oshkosh once.
The Tommies, down to their last out with no one on base, tie the game in the bottom of the 9th and win it in the 10th on a Wippler base hit. This team refuses to go down without a fight and seem to always find a way. This was a great game. Two really good pitchers locking horns with the better team coming out on top!
Read more here: http://athletics.carthage.edu/news/2010/3/21/Baseball_0321102923.aspx?path=baseball
Looks like another really good team should fall from the rankings after losing a 1-run game to the #1 team in the country. Line em up and knock em down Tommies!
I highly doubt Carthage will fall from the rankings(they may drop a spot or two, but it will depend more on today's DH with St. John's than the St. Thomas game) after losing 2-1 in ten innings to St. Thomas. The voters are smarter than that. Carthage drops to 5-4, but three of their losses are to #1 St. Thomas, #2 Wooster and #4 Heidelberg... with a sweep of #4(at the time) Kean in for good measure.
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 21, 2010, 09:40:46 AM
I highly doubt Carthage will fall from the rankings(they may drop a spot or two, but it will depend more on today's DH with St. John's than the St. Thomas game) after losing 2-1 in ten innings to St. Thomas. The voters are smarter than that. Carthage drops to 5-4, but three of their losses are to #1 St. Thomas, #2 Wooster and #4 Heidelberg... with a sweep of #4(at the time) Kean in for good measure.
The voters were not smart enough when CSS lost a pair of games to the Tommies, one by a run (which CSS kinda blew) and the other by only 2 runs in another Schuld outing. I agree that Carthage should be ranked, and easily are a top 10 team, but that doesn't mean the people who are voting do. It seems like all they look at is a teams record, and at 5-4, why rank Carthage?
Just to clarify, in my opinion, both Carthage and CSS are deserving of top 15 rankings at the very least. They are two very good teams, neither of them are better than the Tommies though.
Where do you think Point and Whitewater will end up nationally by year's end? Can you imagine if St. Thomas, Point, St. Olaf, St. Scholastica, and Carthage were all in the same regional?
Quote from: pickleshiner on March 21, 2010, 10:15:40 PM
Where do you think Point and Whitewater will end up nationally by year's end? Can you imagine if St. Thomas, Point, St. Olaf, St. Scholastica, and Carthage were all in the same regional?
I'd like to see St. Olaf make the regional first... That being said, it probably still wouldn't be as stacked as other regions have been in the past several years.
Quote from: supermiac on March 22, 2010, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: pickleshiner on March 21, 2010, 10:15:40 PM
Where do you think Point and Whitewater will end up nationally by year's end? Can you imagine if St. Thomas, Point, St. Olaf, St. Scholastica, and Carthage were all in the same regional?
I'd like to see St. Olaf make the regional first... That being said, it probably still wouldn't be as stacked as other regions have been in the past several years.
I agree, it would obviously be a strong regional, but this regional has been strong just about every year. Not much difference. There are good regionals all over the country.
At least one of those teams would have to be in the Central Regional, probably 2, given how weak that region has been the past few years. Whitewater and Carthage were in the central last year.
Quote from: UMACfan on March 22, 2010, 10:17:09 AM
At least one of those teams would have to be in the Central Regional, probably 2, given how weak that region has been the past few years. Whitewater and Carthage were in the central last year.
Carthage is a central region team.
Anyone have any insider info on how UWO will set up their pitching for the doubleheader today against St. Johns and their games against Bethany tomorrow? It will be interesting to see how Lechnir plays it.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 24, 2010, 03:06:58 PM
Anyone have any insider info on how UWO will set up their pitching for the doubleheader today against St. Johns and their games against Bethany tomorrow? It will be interesting to see how Lechnir plays it.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Grabig start Game #1 with Kanneneberg in relief, and then depending on how Game #1 goes, either Westphal or Kannenberg starting Game #2.
BLC vs. UWO live audio. The DH starts at 2 p.m.
http://www.blc.edu/athletics/vikingradio/ (http://www.blc.edu/athletics/vikingradio/)
Quote from: cubs on March 25, 2010, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on March 24, 2010, 03:06:58 PM
Anyone have any insider info on how UWO will set up their pitching for the doubleheader today against St. Johns and their games against Bethany tomorrow? It will be interesting to see how Lechnir plays it.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Grabig start Game #1 with Kanneneberg in relief, and then depending on how Game #1 goes, either Westphal or Kannenberg starting Game #2.
Looks like I was wrong, as Kannenberg is warming up in the pen and will be getting the start in Game #1.....
Quote from: OshDude on March 25, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
BLC vs. UWO live audio. The DH starts at 2 p.m.
http://www.blc.edu/athletics/vikingradio/ (http://www.blc.edu/athletics/vikingradio/)
Maybe not. Anyone get this to work? Tried four players to no avail.
Quote from: OshDude on March 25, 2010, 03:14:24 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 25, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
BLC vs. UWO live audio. The DH starts at 2 p.m.
http://www.blc.edu/athletics/vikingradio/ (http://www.blc.edu/athletics/vikingradio/)
Maybe not. Anyone get this to work? Tried four players to no avail.
I can't get it to work either.
Cubs...You at the game? Could you give us updates, i dont think anyone can get the link to work
Oshkosh leads 2-0 in the 5th inning....
Whose throwing for Bethany?
Bethany scores a run in the 7th inning, however UWO holds on for a 2-1 victory.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 25, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
Whose throwing for Bethany?
Hallahan threw all seven innings....
Has the second game started? And, is the audio broadcast working for anyone?
Good day of baseball at the Dome yesterday. Here are some of my thoughts...
1. CSS improved during their Florida trip and are a different team since I watched them play Hameline before they left. Their pitchers looked more poised and confident and competed by pounding the zone with a nice mix. Gerten looks like he could be stepping it up as a solid #1. They were solid offensively all through the lineup with alot of contributors, although I would say they were facing an average to below average pitching staff.
2. Augsburg has a couple of big boppers and they proved it by pounding a few home runs. Other than those couple of guys in the middle of their order, they didn't do much at all. Their pitching staff struggled to throw strikes and that made for a very long game 1 as they walked quite a few, and when they did find the zone it got pounded. Their game 2 starter settled in and did pretty well though. I would say this is a very middle of the road MIAC team this year.
3. Bethany's top two pitchers are very good in Hallahan and Dorris. I talked to one of the CSS assistants after the game who said they had Hallahan between 84 and 86 most of the game. He has nice control and is clearly a solid #1. Dorris pitched very nicely as well, although I didn't stick around for much of the second game. I was alittle surprised by their lack of offense, as last time I saw this team play (last year) it looked like no one could get them out. They are a nice squad though, and thats a nice split for them.
4. Oshkosh is down. Offensively I was unimpressed, and after Kanenberg, and based on not only what I saw but their results so far this year, I'm not sure they have much pitching. Might be a long WIAC season for them against Point and Whitewater.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 26, 2010, 09:42:24 AM
4. Oshkosh is down. Offensively I was unimpressed, and after Kanenberg, and based on not only what I saw but their results so far this year, I'm not sure they have much pitching. Might be a long WIAC season for them against Point and Whitewater.
Couldn't agree more..... When you have a pair of pitchers starting and getting at-bats, you know things are pretty thin offensively. Obviously Kannenberg is a dual-threat type of kid, but those guys rarely come around.
I guess the one positive thing UWO has going for them is that their pitchers have actually thrown the ball fairly decent. If the defense steps things up a bit (right now one out of every three runs that has been given up is unearned) they could win some games. Typically UWO's defense is pretty solid (ranked 1st in the WIAC 3 out of the last 5 years) so it's not a stretch to think things will get turned around. Although I still feel they are quite a bit behind both Point and Whitewater, I think they could still have something to say about which one of thise teams comes out on top.
Very nice split for Bethany and sweep for St. Scholastica. Was a little surprised when I got there light and found out that Ozga was knocked out after the first inning. He has been pretty strong this season, and handled Bethany very well in there meeting. Game 2 was much tighter and I thought it was heading in the same direction as game 1 when St. Scholastica got 2 right out of the gates, but Glasenapp settled in and threw pretty well only giving up 5 runs. Was sitting just above the plate and one guy with the gun had him sitting 86-87 with a few at 89. Not to bad, if that kid locates, the MIAC playoff race could be up for grabs. As for Oshkosh, very unimpressed by that offense. Hallahan and Doris both pitched well, but I could not believe that was an Oshkosh lineup. If I had to give it a grade it would have to be a D! On the otherside of the coin, Bethany's offense didn't exactly light up the sky, I really thought game 1 would be a great game, but it was a snoozer! Both offenses looked overmatched and neither pitcher looked that dominant. Game 2 was Oshkosh running out the Grabig kid to eat those innings while Bethany had Dorris. Sorry Titan fans but Grabig may get eaten for lunch against the likes of Whitwater and Point. Everything he threw was over the middle and not hard, soft lefties have to be around the plate, not on it. A good day for the UMAC's top 2, although I see St. Schlastica's offense being the better of the two and the Hallahan vs Gerten matchup might warrant a trip to Duluth if they aren't getting snow.
Gonna go ahead and try to predict the upcoming regional rankings:
1) UW-Whitewater
2) St. Thomas
3) St. Scholastica
4) UW-Stevens Point
5) Concordia Chicago
I can really only find 5 teams at this point deserving. I thought Bethany Lutheran would make a hard push for the 3rd or 4th Pool B spot, but the loss to Macalaster really threw a wrench into that. I don't see them getting in. I know the Conc-Moor Cobbers are in first in the MIAC, but they have three tough conference series in a row coming up (Olaf, Gusties & Tommies) so look for them to come back to earth shortly. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out come regional time because I still think the MIAC only ends up with 1 bid, same for NAC, WIAC gets 2 and St. Scholastica a B-bid. Can't wait to see the rankings though, always a suprise in there somewhere.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 21, 2010, 12:47:34 PM
Gonna go ahead and try to predict the upcoming regional rankings:
1) UW-Whitewater
2) St. Thomas
3) St. Scholastica
4) UW-Stevens Point
5) Concordia Chicago
I can really only find 5 teams at this point deserving. I thought Bethany Lutheran would make a hard push for the 3rd or 4th Pool B spot, but the loss to Macalaster really threw a wrench into that. I don't see them getting in. I know the Conc-Moor Cobbers are in first in the MIAC, but they have three tough conference series in a row coming up (Olaf, Gusties & Tommies) so look for them to come back to earth shortly. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out come regional time because I still think the MIAC only ends up with 1 bid, same for NAC, WIAC gets 2 and St. Scholastica a B-bid. Can't wait to see the rankings though, always a suprise in there somewhere.
I think you have the teams nailed but I'll bet that Point is ahead of CSS in the rankings.
With Gary Karner & Pat Bloom on the rankings commitee, your probably right! ::)
I'll throw mine out there for ridicule and scorn. SOS in parens.
1. UW-Whitewater 24-3 (.517)
2. St. Thomas 22-4 (.527)
3. UW-Stevens Point 18-7 (.578)
4. St. Scholastica 23-2 (.506)
5. Concordia Chicago 21-5 (.496)
6. St. Olaf 17-11 (.555)
The next 6: Edgewood 17-11 (.550), Aurora 18-11 (.509), Bethany Lutheran 21-6 (.441), Concordia (MN) 18-9 (.492), Rockford 19-9-1 (.477), Concordia (WI) 13-8 (.531)
I have to say Oshdude my rankings are exactly the same as yours. Although you have it listed the way it should be I would guess Scholastica will be in front of Point. I think Point will win their next 9 in a row with 4 home against LaCrosse 4 at Stout and 1 at Lawrence. Wouldn't be surprised to see them lose once at Stout though especially if Whitewater wraps up conference this weekend. For some reason I think Superior has a chance to split with Whitewater but I have no idea why. Superior has a pretty potent offense and hit Williams and Delorit pretty hard at Point so I'm guessing at home vs Whitewater they'll put up some runs. I'm just not that impressed with any teams pitching in the WIAC this year. I know Tincher is unbeaten but he's very hittable. Every time he's on the hill he gets a lot of runs from his offense.
I'll give this a go as well:
1) UW-Whitewater
2) St. Thomas
3) St. Scholastica
4) UW-Steven Point
5) Conc-Chicago
6) Undecided (Olaf or Edgewood--cant seem to give one a nod over the other)
I give the edge to St. Scholastica over Point despite the SOS. Point has lost games that they should not have lost period. Also common opponents include St. Olaf whom Point split with and St. Scholastica swept. The last spot is a coin flip as far as I'm concerned, Edgewood has beaten some real good teams and lost to some bad ones. Up until yesterday I would have gone Olaf, but they could put it in stone with a sweep of Bethany today. It pains me to admit the only way a 2nd MIAC team gets in this year is by getting over the Tommies in the MIAC tourn.
SOS is huge. Last year UST spotted CSS seven in-region losses and still remained ahead thanks to SOS. CSS had even split with UST.
The difference between UWSP's and CSS's SOS numbers this year are comparable to last year's between UST and CSS. I'm just going with precedence is all.
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2010, 11:45:42 AM
SOS is huge. Last year UST spotted CSS seven in-region losses and still remained ahead thanks to SOS. CSS had even split with UST.
The difference between UWSP's and CSS's SOS numbers this year are comparable to last year's between UST and CSS. I'm just going with precedence is all.
Not to mention Bloom is on the committee, so is pretty much undoubtedly going to be Point in front of CSS. I don't think the order of these rankings matter much, its more important to see who the teams the committee thinks are deserving. I for one think its going to be Edgewood in the 6 spot, not Olaf.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2010, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2010, 11:45:42 AM
SOS is huge. Last year UST spotted CSS seven in-region losses and still remained ahead thanks to SOS. CSS had even split with UST.
The difference between UWSP's and CSS's SOS numbers this year are comparable to last year's between UST and CSS. I'm just going with precedence is all.
Not to mention Bloom is on the committee, so is pretty much undoubtedly going to be Point in front of CSS. I don't think the order of these rankings matter much, its more important to see who the teams the committee thinks are deserving. I for one think its going to be Edgewood in the 6 spot, not Olaf.
Might be close, but I like SOC's wins over Buena Vista and Point. Edgewood's loss to WLC tipped the scales in the Oles favor.
Midwest Region (In-Region Record) Overall Record
1. Wisconsin-Whitewater 22-3 27-4
2. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 20-4 21-5
3. St. Scholastica 22-2 29-3
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 18-7 22-9
5. Concordia Chicago 21-5 25-8
6. Edgewood 16-10 19-11
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2010, 03:58:15 PM
Midwest Region (In-Region Record) Overall Record
1. Wisconsin-Whitewater 22-3 27-4
2. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 20-4 21-5
3. St. Scholastica 22-2 29-3
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 18-7 22-9
5. Concordia Chicago 21-5 25-8
6. Edgewood 16-10 19-11
Not too surprising here. I am surprised to see CSS in the 3 spot ahead of Point though. I'd be surprised if it stays that way for the tournament.
Bummer that not all games from 4/27 appear to be included. I think the Edgewood loss to WLC drops EC's SOS enough for St. Olaf to sneak in.
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2010, 06:52:05 PM
Bummer that not all games from 4/27 appear to be included. I think the Edgewood loss to WLC drops EC's SOS enough for St. Olaf to sneak in.
Winning or losing to WLC doesn't matter for SOS purposes. Simply playing them is all that matters, and that would lower their SOS. The loss certainly hurts their regional win %, though.
EC's SOS will take another hit tomorrow when they play Maranatha Baptist.
Quote from: Just Bill on April 29, 2010, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 29, 2010, 06:52:05 PM
Bummer that not all games from 4/27 appear to be included. I think the Edgewood loss to WLC drops EC's SOS enough for St. Olaf to sneak in.
Winning or losing to WLC doesn't matter for SOS purposes. Simply playing them is all that matters, and that would lower their SOS. The loss certainly hurts their regional win %, though.
EC's SOS will take another hit tomorrow when they play Maranatha Baptist.
I thought that was implied. To lose to a team means you played that team. It's the SOS that would make the difference in that comparison because both teams have 17-11 in-region records.
My point was the losing to WLC didn't matter in SOS. You could have very well said, "Edgewood's win over WLC drops EC's SOS" and that would be equally true. I was just clarifying (because not everyone else on this site gets it) that the winning or losing aspect doesn't matter for SOS. (Unlike the awful old "Quality of Wins Index," god rest its soul.)
Quote from: Just Bill on April 29, 2010, 07:56:36 PM
My point was the losing to WLC didn't matter in SOS. You could have very well said, "Edgewood's win over WLC drops EC's SOS" and that would be equally true. I was just clarifying (because not everyone else on this site gets it) that the winning or losing aspect doesn't matter for SOS. (Unlike the awful old "Quality of Wins Index," god rest its soul.)
Good point. At least I used to be a writererer. Some days you just don't have it.
EDIT: I should have written "EC's loss and SOS hit vs. WLC ..."
I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation. They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record. With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.
Quote from: BASEBALLLOVER18 on April 30, 2010, 12:33:43 AM
I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation. They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record. With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.
Most of D-III expects BLC to be 12-0 against those four opponents when the season opens.
They did not make their case against CSS. :)
If they finish 30-8 and win the Conference tourney, then I think that they have made their best case. They will have likely handed CSS those 2 conference losses.
Quote from: BASEBALLLOVER18 on April 30, 2010, 12:33:43 AM
I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation. They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record. With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.
There are several factors why they may not have been ranked at this time. I agree it is hard to believe a team that could end up with 30 wins could stay home...Hard to say it but at this time of year win or could be left out going to the dance. So many teams wonder what happen when they dont win their conference or conference tourney....Well win it and take it out of the hands of others to decide. Same for ranked teams continue winning or a single loss going forward could be the difference of staying home.
But I agree they should be ranked higher than Edgewood 16-10 in region record at this time
But here are things to look at....
Overall Record is not a primary factor ! SOS ranked 343
OWP .401
Loss to Augsburg that has a winning percentage of .400
Loss to UW-Oshkosh that has a winning percentage of .429
Not beating a ranked team...3 losses to CSS
Easy solution is to win out and it gives you a chance to make the regionals..Only 4 pool B teams this year. Based on last SOS published they are 4th in Pool B in winning percentage so they are on the bubble so if teams in front of them lose in Pool B and in their region and they continue to win they will be ranked in future rankings
Selection Criteria.
Primary CriteriaThe primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule(only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).•
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/
selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 30, 2010, 03:51:10 AM
Quote from: BASEBALLLOVER18 on April 30, 2010, 12:33:43 AM
I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation. They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record. With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.
There are several factors why they may not have been ranked at this time. I agree it is hard to believe a team that could end up with 30 wins could stay home...Hard to say it but at this time of year win or could be left out going to the dance. So many teams wonder what happen when they dont win their conference or conference tourney....Well win it and take it out of the hands of others to decide. Same for ranked teams continue winning or a single loss going forward could be the difference of staying home.
But I agree they should be ranked higher than Edgewood 16-10 in region record at this time
But here are things to look at....
Overall Record is not a primary factor !
SOS ranked 343
OWP .401
Loss to Augsburg that has a winning percentage of .400
Loss to UW-Oshkosh that has a winning percentage of .429
Not beating a ranked team...3 losses to CSS
Easy solution is to win out and it gives you a chance to make the regionals..Only 4 pool B teams this year. Based on last SOS published they are 4th in Pool B in winning percentage so they are on the bubble so if teams in front of them lose in Pool B and in their region and they continue to win they will be ranked in future rankings
Selection Criteria.
Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule(only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).•
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/
selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
+1, Crash!
...
all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order)Great discussion of the process! :)
Interested in seeing how St. Thomas and St. Scholastica approach the weekend.
Saturday: UST plays Concordia for first place in the MIAC. CSS plays a DH against a Presentation team that put up a fight before falling 3-1 today. CSS was held to five hits.
Sunday: UST and CSS play with possible seeding ramifications at regionals on the line.
Also, congrats to CSS for setting a school record with its 24th consecutive win. And to think many of us were iffy on the Saints without Adian Kummet, Peter Burg and Jake Gaub.
Quote from: OshDude on April 30, 2010, 10:46:16 PM
Interested in seeing how St. Thomas and St. Scholastica approach the weekend.
Saturday: UST plays Concordia for first place in the MIAC. CSS plays a DH against a Presentation team that put up a fight before falling 3-1 today. CSS was held to five hits.
Sunday: UST and CSS play with possible seeding ramifications at regionals on the line.
Also, congrats to CSS for setting a school record with its 24th consecutive win. And to think many of us were iffy on the Saints without Adian Kummet, Peter Burg and Jake Gaub.
Well Gerten pitched yesterday so count him out against Thomas. I think CSS will concentrate on the DH because a loss/win against Thomas wont put them ahead of St. thomas in the seeding, but may make a difference with seeding against Point and even at that a loss against Presentation hurts them worse than a win against thomas would help them.
Thomas has to make sure they take care of business against Concordia, it wouldnt look too pretty to get swept by Concordia to save their guns for CSS with only 4 MIAC games left for them
So I expect both thomas and CSS to throw their 4-6 guys
Are Whitewater's lights up already?
Yes. The lights have been used a few times already.
Tommies up 5-1, top 8.
Here's one of those college baseball box scores that will make your head hurt.
http://athletics.aurora.edu/custompages/baseball/auwc5310.htm
The line for the winning pitcher: 3.2inn 12h 4bb 11er. Wow.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 04, 2010, 05:21:54 PM
The line for the winning pitcher: 3.2inn 12h 4bb 11er. Wow.
The starter can't get the win--he didn't go 5. I think the WP must be the guy who came in the 8th. He was the pitcher of record when the game winning run was scored. Nonetheless, the starter messed up his stats for sure.
Quote from: RSSmith on May 05, 2010, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 04, 2010, 05:21:54 PM
The line for the winning pitcher: 3.2inn 12h 4bb 11er. Wow.
The starter can't get the win--he didn't go 5. I think the WP must be the guy who came in the 8th. He was the pitcher of record when the game winning run was scored. Nonetheless, the starter messed up his stats for sure.
Aurora has changed the box score to correct the error.
These rankings are .75*SOS+.25*Win%...
1. St. Thomas 0.616
2. St. Scholastica 0.609
3. UW-Whitewater 0.608
4. UW-Stevens Point 0.593
5. Concordia (Ill.) 0.579
6. St. Olaf 0.564
Second regional rankings are out....
Midwest Region
1. UW-Whitewater 28-3 33-4
2. St. Thomas 24-5 25-6
3. St. Scholastica 25-4 32-5
4. UW-Stevens Point 20-9 24-11
5. Concordia (Ill.) 25-6 29-9
6. Edgewood 20-11 24-12
It doesn't appear Edgewood's loss to UW-Platteville was included on this week.
Congrats to all the guys standing out in the classroom.
http://cosida.com/documents/2010/5/6/2010%20AAA_All-District_Baseball.pdf (http://cosida.com/documents/2010/5/6/2010%20AAA_All-District_Baseball.pdf)
D-III conference tally from our area (District V, VII):
Northern AC 8
MIAC 4
CCIW 4
IIAC 4
MWC 1
SLIAC 1
WIAC 0
UMAC 0
Rose-Hulman (Dist. V) 5
Wash U (Dist. VII) 1
NE Wesleyan (Dist. VII) 1
The UMAC must not have followed the 2000 presidential election. The UMAC schedule has CSS at regionals.
http://umacathletics.com/calendar.aspx?sport=102&season=2010 (http://umacathletics.com/calendar.aspx?sport=102&season=2010)
Quote from: OshDude on May 07, 2010, 02:04:26 PM
The UMAC must not have followed the 2000 presidential election. The UMAC schedule has CSS at regionals.
http://umacathletics.com/calendar.aspx?sport=102&season=2010 (http://umacathletics.com/calendar.aspx?sport=102&season=2010)
That is pretty funny. I'm not quite sure you can pencil that in just yet.
Conference tourney champion picks
MIAC- Thomas
WIAC- Point
UMAC-CSS
NATHCON-Rockford
Stevens Point must have had a stranglehold on that No. 4 Regional Rankings spot heading into last week. I know teams behind the Pointers didn't help themselves, but there are not many worse in-region losses in 2010 than those to Stout and Lawrence.
Barring conference upsets, might we see no Pool C bids from the Midwest Region?
I know that is far-fetched, but the Midwest seems really weak!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2010, 07:38:14 PM
Barring conference upsets, might we see no Pool C bids from the Midwest Region?
I know that is far-fetched, but the Midwest seems really weak!
Agreed. Not an absurd scenario either. For that to happen, I think UWSP would have to go 2-and-Q this weekend.
The Midwest may be weak after the top 3 but the top 3 may be the top 3 in the entire country. I'm banking on Whitewater or St. Thomas to win the world series more than likely St. Thomas. As weak as the midwest looks I don't think the central is better.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2010, 07:38:14 PM
Barring conference upsets, might we see no Pool C bids from the Midwest Region?
I know that is far-fetched, but the Midwest seems really weak!
Is the Midwest really weak, or are many of the teams pretty damn good? Seems like alot of competitive balance throughout the region as every week there were lots of splits in DH's in and out of conference play. I will say that I'm very surprised by the season UWSP has had so far, but I would not be shocked if they turned their fairly disappointing year around this weekend and got on a roll.
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2010, 07:49:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2010, 07:38:14 PM
Barring conference upsets, might we see no Pool C bids from the Midwest Region?
I know that is far-fetched, but the Midwest seems really weak!
Agreed. Not an absurd scenario either. For that to happen, I think UWSP would have to go 2-and-Q this weekend.
On the other hand, if UWSP is the runner up and goes 1-2 against Whitewater in the tournament, SP's winning percentage drops slightly, but their SOS goes up to about .545 which would make them a pretty easy Pool C selection. If they're 0-2 against Whitewater, the SOS should hit about .538 which would probably get them one of the last few bids.
I don't see how UWSP keeps losing games to bad teams and still stay ranked 4th in the region. And I know it's not a criteria, but how can you put a team in the regional rankings that didn't even make their conf. tournament (Conc-IL)? If I were Conc. Moorhead or Bethany Lutheran I would be screaming. So Conc IL has a great advantage, they can't lose anymore before selection sunday!
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 14, 2010, 09:29:32 AM
I don't see how UWSP keeps losing games to bad teams and still stay ranked 4th in the region. And I know it's not a criteria, but how can you put a team in the regional rankings that didn't even make their conf. tournament (Conc-IL)? If I were Conc. Moorhead or Bethany Lutheran I would be screaming. So Conc IL has a great advantage, they can't lose anymore before selection sunday!
Ahhhhh.... the fatal flaw in the system. Concordia-Chicago may actually benefit by missing their own tourney. They cannot take a hit in the loss column this weekend while most other teams in the Pool C system will lost two games this weekend in conference tourneys.
How many boards did you post this on?
Baseballlover, I think everyone agrees that you were close. I just got off the phone with coach kragh and even he understands. You guys came up a couple good wins short. Great season BLC. I'm aleady looking forward to next year.
I'm sorry, I just can't bite my tongue. How the hell did this Midwest bracket turn out this way, especially considering how EASY the Central bracket is?
--- How do you get off rewarding North Central for getting absolutely slammed in their conf. tourney by giving them a 2 seed in arguably the easiest regional? And then, how do you get off penalizing St. Thomas on the same side of the coin for finishing up their conf. tourney with 2 blowout wins.
--- You send CARTHAGE to Whitewater? What?! I know the committee only looks at numbers, but I can guarantee every team in the Midwest had a collective groan when they heard Carthage and not IWU, North Central, or Ripon was sent off. Maybe it was bad luck, but getting an underperforming Carthage team shipped in really makes this a bit tougher.
--- It's crazy that to think that teams like St. Scholastica and St. Thomas are held in the relatively same regard when it comes to tourney seedings as Ripon and North Central. It just feels wrong that two regionals separated by such a paltry distance are so completely different in their difficulty.
Just like every year (in my estimation), the Midwest regional looks to be the toughest. While I know it doesn't really matter who you play to get to the championship (since beating everyone is the goal of a national champion), it irks me how this region get stacked like this every year without pause. I think the Mideast and West regions are really tough this year too, but the Midwest far and away takes the cake.
Midwest Regional
Hosted by UW-Whitewater, Whitewater, Wis.
1. UW-Whitewater (38-5)
2. St. Thomas (33-7)
3. St. Scholastica (38-6)
4. UW-Stevens Point (29-15)
5. Carthage (28-16)
6. Aurora (27-14)
Midwest has three of the top eight teams (Whitewater, St. Thomas and St. Scholastica) in the d3baseball poll. Mix in Stevens Point, Carthage, and Aurora and you have a regional with a combined 78 regional appearances.
Aurora- 18th
Carthage- 16th
Whitewater- 12th
Stevens Point- 11th
St. Thomas- 15th
CSS- 6th
That is a brutal regional.
All sorts of fun matchups, like usual. I'm looking forward to Steve Salazar vs. the Whitewater lineup. And I doubt this is a situation where UWW can throw its No. 4. Williamson, Wellner and company make for an intriguing 1 vs. 6.
UWSP and CSS should put a regional game in pen on the 2011 sked.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 17, 2010, 12:27:56 PM
Midwest Regional
Hosted by UW-Whitewater, Whitewater, Wis.
1. UW-Whitewater (38-5)
2. St. Thomas (33-7)
3. St. Scholastica (38-6)
4. UW-Stevens Point (29-15)
5. Carthage (28-16)
6. Aurora (27-14)
NCAA should have sent one of the top 3 seeds to a nearby regional. It just not seem right to have so many top teams in one regional and some other regional seems to get a pass on top teams. Same thing is happening in West....
At this point, every team left standing is pretty good. On any given day, they can beat anyone. It is a huge mistake to look past anyone at this point in the season. Most regions have 2-3 VERY good teams and that balance is what makes it great to watch. You could argue that the Central is too weak, but NCC has tons of bats while IWU has great pitching. Rose-Hulman has Tim Tepe (who is one of the best offensive shortstops in the nation).
I think it is a good thing that the WIAC, MIAC, and UMAC champions will battle it out at the regional. Yes, it will be harder for them to make it to the WS, but I do believe those teams should always be in the Midwest regional. They may have a tougher region because of the good talent pool with less competition (very few Division I teams, and many poor D2 teams) leaves great talent for D3. I too believe it is one of the toughest regions, if not the toughest, but the team who wins it has a great chance in the WS.
Quote from: OshDude on May 17, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
And I doubt this is a situation where UWW can throw its No. 4. Williamson, Wellner and company make for an intriguing 1 vs. 6.
I'd be pretty confident throwing Donovan at 10am Wednesday in game 1 of the regional!!
Quote from: dukes on May 17, 2010, 07:35:48 PM
I think it is a good thing that the WIAC, MIAC, and UMAC champions will battle it out at the regional. Yes, it will be harder for them to make it to the WS, but I do believe those teams should always be in the Midwest regional. They may have a tougher region because of the good talent pool with less competition (very few Division I teams, and many poor D2 teams) leaves great talent for D3. I too believe it is one of the toughest regions, if not the toughest, but the team who wins it has a great chance in the WS.
And it's not like one team is going to Appleton nearly every year, like in another region or two. As often as these teams battle, the CWS trips have been spread around rather evenly, making it another positive for the region.
All but CSS in this year's regional have made it to Appleton at least once. Now that we've had a day to digest it, anyone have a favorite? I like UST over UWSP in the final. I see it as one of those years when you have five teams left after two days and three left after three days.
Quote from: OshDude on May 17, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
All sorts of fun matchups, like usual. I'm looking forward to Steve Salazar vs. the Whitewater lineup. And I doubt this is a situation where UWW can throw its No. 4. Williamson, Wellner and company make for an intriguing 1 vs. 6.
UWSP and CSS should put a regional game in pen on the 2011 sked.
They probably figure since they play each other almost every regional then they dont need to play each other in the regular season but would be a nice in region DH. They did play 1 game in a triad at the dome in 2007
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 17, 2010, 08:07:44 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 17, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
All sorts of fun matchups, like usual. I'm looking forward to Steve Salazar vs. the Whitewater lineup. And I doubt this is a situation where UWW can throw its No. 4. Williamson, Wellner and company make for an intriguing 1 vs. 6.
UWSP and CSS should put a regional game in pen on the 2011 sked.
They probably figure since they play each other almost every regional then they dont need to play each other in the regular season but would be a nice in region DH. They did play 1 game in a triad at the dome in 2007
Yeah, I didn't write that well. I think CSS and UWSP should put a May ___ @ TBA (Midwest Regional tourney game) against each other on their skeds to beat the NCAA to the punch. Plus it will save about 10 seconds later in the year when the inevitable happens.
Is there going to be a web/audio cast?
Quote from: tommiegun on May 18, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
Is there going to be a web/audio cast?
The CSS radio crew will be there. Voice should know whether 106.5FM is carrying the UWW games.
I don't think UWW is doing any kind of comprehensive coverage, other than Live Stats. You'll probably have to count on whatever teams bring radio crews.
Quote from: OshDude on May 18, 2010, 02:38:24 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 17, 2010, 08:07:44 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 17, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
All sorts of fun matchups, like usual. I'm looking forward to Steve Salazar vs. the Whitewater lineup. And I doubt this is a situation where UWW can throw its No. 4. Williamson, Wellner and company make for an intriguing 1 vs. 6.
UWSP and CSS should put a regional game in pen on the 2011 sked.
They probably figure since they play each other almost every regional then they dont need to play each other in the regular season but would be a nice in region DH. They did play 1 game in a triad at the dome in 2007
Yeah, I didn't write that well. I think CSS and UWSP should put a May ___ @ TBA (Midwest Regional tourney game) against each other on their skeds to beat the NCAA to the punch. Plus it will save about 10 seconds later in the year when the inevitable happens.
thats what I first thought you ment but then second guessed myself . I just have a feeling that this may be the best first round game in the midwest with both of these teams battling it out through the years and the tremendous respect they have of each other.
The CSS guys should be there just go to www.csssaints.com and click on the live audio link.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 18, 2010, 05:08:50 PM
I don't think UWW is doing any kind of comprehensive coverage, other than Live Stats. You'll probably have to count on whatever teams bring radio crews.
...even their "live stats" isn't exactly comprehensive - they don't have anyone who can keep an up-to-date balls and strike count for each batter. ;)
Quote from: BoBo on May 18, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 18, 2010, 05:08:50 PM
I don't think UWW is doing any kind of comprehensive coverage, other than Live Stats. You'll probably have to count on whatever teams bring radio crews.
...even their "live stats" isn't exactly comprehensive - they don't have anyone who can keep an up-to-date balls and strike count for each batter. ;)
That's not their fault. Usually, the pitches come faster than the stat computer can send them and faster than the end user's browser can refresh itself. Even ESPN and MLB have that same problem on their live stat products.
Sidearm live stats are the state of the art in live stat software.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 18, 2010, 07:55:35 PM
Sidearm live stats are the state of the art in live stat software.
They're good, and a nice balance between design and function, but there's a few things that bug me about SIDEARM. For instance, the individual stats only list a maximum of two pitchers, no matter how many a team has used. It also doesn't show the batter who leads off the inning until he completes his at-bat. The only way you know he's at the plate is if the balls and strikes are going up. But all in all, it's probably the best one out there.
Well crap... I guess I'll just have to watch St. Thomas's pathetic every 4 inning " " " " " " live " " " " " " blog.
No, you'll at least have live stats for every game.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 18, 2010, 07:37:55 PM
Quote from: BoBo on May 18, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 18, 2010, 05:08:50 PM
I don't think UWW is doing any kind of comprehensive coverage, other than Live Stats. You'll probably have to count on whatever teams bring radio crews.
...even their "live stats" isn't exactly comprehensive - they don't have anyone who can keep an up-to-date balls and strike count for each batter. ;)
That's not their fault. Usually, the pitches come faster than the stat computer can send them and faster than the end user's browser can refresh itself. Even ESPN and MLB have that same problem on their live stat products.
I understand what you're trying to get at, so maybe I should re-phrase my comment so that you know what I'm driving at. After viewing the UWW live stats since they started doing it and as recent as the softball regional from last weekend, I've come to the conclusion that they don't update the count because it appears nobody inputs the data. "If" they would input a ball or strike even once in a while, a viewer would once in a while see their browser light up with that information. It doesn't happen...period. I subscribe to MLB Gameday Premium for the last 2 years, so I'm aware how that works. 99% of the time, the pitch count is received in a timely fashion, including pitch location, which Sidearm doesn't appear capable of doing - I know since I usually listen to the audio broadcast at the same time - they sync up pretty well. A few times they have a little technical difficulity - but it's been few and far between, at least on my end. With the UWW Sidearm software, I have never seen a pitch count for any batter at any time. They seem to send out updates after each batter or two - which is still a lot better than they did at Oshkosh a couple years ago when they updated after every inning. How hard could it be to tie this system in with the scoreboard in the park? The count is updated after every pitch I would guess. They seem to do it for football and there's a lot more stats involved. Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, but if they're going to truly have "live stats" they could at the very least use the software to a little more of it's potential. When you have only the live stats to "watch" a game by, it's nice to see the balls and strikes to see how many pitches a pitcher is throwing, is there a pick off attempt, or a coaching visit to the mound, etc. - I guess you get what you pay for!! ;)
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 18, 2010, 07:55:35 PM
Sidearm live stats are the state of the art in live stat software.
Sorry, badgerwarhawk, IMO it maybe state of the art as you say, but it has a great many limitations. I'm waiting for the 2.0 version.
Quote from: tommiegun on May 18, 2010, 08:48:40 PM
Well crap... I guess I'll just have to watch St. Thomas's pathetic every 4 inning " " " " " " live " " " " " " blog.
I followed the UST blog a bit during the MIAC tourney. It was well done and updated very quickly.
Yes, if the UWW sports info staff isn't entering every pitch, then you're right, the balls and strikes don't appear. Many schools don't score pitch-by-pitch, but it's nice when schools do.
UWW site is showing audio, video and stats for the game. Right on.
Do you have actual video? I don't see today's game in the Penn Atlantic listings at the moment.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2010, 11:52:35 AM
Do you have actual video? I don't see today's game in the Penn Atlantic listings at the moment.
I found it in the listing by searching on the date, but it tells me the "Game is already over." There's no way to access it.
I've filed a ticket with PennAtlantic support.
It's up again now.
Yep, I got a response to the support ticket.
Carthage and St. Thomas are tied at 5. St. Thomas was up 4-0 and Carthage put a 5 spot up but Wippler homered for St. Thomas to tie it up.
Anyone seen an ABCA All-Midwest Region team yet? I see discussion on other region boards about their teams.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 26, 2010, 11:04:59 AM
Anyone seen an ABCA All-Midwest Region team yet? I see discussion on other region boards about their teams.
Year in, year out the Midwest is always slow on releasing its All-Region team. The fact that it's not out by the time the World Series is almost over is just silly. ABCA releases its teams for DI and DII literally the day they are voted on and etched out. Maybe in this case it's the regional committee just not being organized at all or something else, but there's no reason for it to be out by now.
I actually got it last week...
2010 ABCA NCAA Division III All-Midwest Region Baseball Team
First Team (15)
Pos. Name Yr. School
C Rob Coe Jr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
1B Brandon Isaac Sr. Concordia University-Chicago (Ill.)
1B Joe Pierce Sr. Augsburg College (Minn.)
3B Kyle Standridge* Sr. Rockford College (Ill.)
SS Eric Fritz Jr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
OF Jimy Landwehr Sr. Edgewood College (Wis.)
OF Matt Olson Sr. University of St. Thomas (Minn.)
OF Jordan Stine Sr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
P Scott Williams Jr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
P Cody Hallahan Jr. Bethany Lutheran College (Minn.)
P Jason Jusk Sr. Concordia University-Chicago (Ill.)
P Matt Schuld Sr. University of St. Thomas (Minn.)
P Riley Tincher# Jr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
UT/P Jeff Donovan Jr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
UT Tyler Jones Sr. St. Olaf College (Minn.)
* - Position Player of the Year
# - Pitcher of the Year
Second Team (17)
Pos. Name Yr. School
C Craig Henry Jr. Augsburg College (Minn.)
C Kirk Williamson Sr. Aurora University (Ill.)
1B Sean Claugherty Sr. The College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
1B Jeremy Richter Sr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
2B Brett Benesh Jr. University of Wisconsin-Platteville
2B Ben Kuhlmann Sr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
SS Jake Krause Sr. Concordia College (Minn.)
OF Nolan Fadness Jr. University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
OF Taylor Rahm Jr. University of St. Thomas (Minn.)
OF John Slick Sr. Bethel University (Minn.)
P Kris Edwards Jr. University of St. Thomas (Minn.)
P Jason Hooper Sr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
P Matt Krueger Sr. Edgewood College (Wis.)
P James Murrey Sr. Macalester College (Minn.)
P Steve Salazar Sr. Aurora University (Ill.)
P Joel Delorit Jr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
UT/P Steve Gerten Sr. The College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
Third Team (18)
Pos. Name Yr. School
C Paul Kolodge Sr. The College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
C Jay Slick So. Bethel University (Minn.)
1B Kyle Henkemeyer Sr. St. John's University (Minn.)
2B Matt Trocke Jr. University of Wisconsin-La Crosse
2B Dan Wackler Jr. Concordia College (Minn.)
3B Blake Berger Jr. University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
3B Aaron Hopson Jr. University of Wisconsin-Platteville
SS Steve Binder Sr. Edgewood College (Wis.)
SS Mike Kenseth Sr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
OF Eric Nicholson Sr. Rockford College (Ill.)
OF Justin Schwecke Sr. Bethany Lutheran College (Minn.)
OF Paul Schlangen Sr. University of Wisconsin-Superior
OF Sam Spurney Sr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
P Aaron Leitner So. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
P Matt Lewis Jr. The College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
P TJ Wink Sr. University of Wisconsin-Superior
P Hayden Zimmerman So. St. John's University (Minn.)
UT Justin Jirschele So. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
I see the top of the heap in the Midwest Region staying about the same for 2011
CLEAR TOP THREE:
1) St. Thomas--lost a couple arms but loaded up a ton of new talent
2) UWSP--If healthy a WS title contender
3) UWW--Do they ever not win the WIAC? Also a WS title contender.
Best of the rest:
4) Bethany Lutheran--Arguably the best 1-2 staff, should get over CSS
5) UW-Osh--Lechnir has some pitching which is scary for the rest of the WIAC
6) St. Olaf--young but very talented crop in
7) CSS--Inexperience in the middle of the line-up leaves questions
8) CUC--New coach, lost a lot of seniors. ????????
Thoughts???
Here is what Oshkosh's starting line-up would look like if they had a game tomorrow...... There are a couple of notable changes from last season.
C-Alex Mullendore (JUCO Transfer-Elgin Junior College-2010 1st Team All ISCC)
1B-? ? ? (Want to say Transfer, but I can't remember)
2B-Derek Hiroskey (3-year starter at C)
SS-Nolan Fadness (3 year starter in OF)
3B-Tyler Kamps (1 year starter at SS)
OF-Blake Berger (Played 3B majority of last season)
OF-Doug Beattie
OF-Derek Layton
DH- ? ? ?
Starting Rotation
-Jeremy Rubens (Returns after missing 2010 because of Tommy John Surgery)
-Phil Schreiber (Transfer from University of Iowa)
-Luke Westphal (All WIAC Honorable Mention selection in 2010)
-Troy Mrkvicka (All WIAC Honorable Mention Selection in 2010)
This is arguably the most pitching depth Oshkosh has had in a few years. It also appears as though they are going the transfer route more than any other team in the past. The last time I can remember this many transfers was back in 2005 when they had Schmitt, Heinemeyer, Plucinski, Perdomo, Bolcoa, and Yost. For comparison, UWO ended up going 29-13 that season, losing to Point and Platteville in the WIAC Tournament.
Your 1B is VanAbel from MATC. Kid didn't play baseball at all in HS, but played fast-pitch softball instead. After a few years out of school enrolled at MATC and played well last year.
Metrodome roof collapses (http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/metrodome-collapses-blizzard_2010-12-12) under snow fall.
There may some Vikings fans who are concerned about the remainder of the season, but the real question is
"Will the Metrodome be ready for the opening of the 2011 D3 baseball season?" :D
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2010, 03:08:39 PM
Metrodome roof collapses (http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/metrodome-collapses-blizzard_2010-12-12) under snow fall.
There may some Vikings fans who are concerned about the remainder of the season, but the real question is
"Will the Metrodome be ready for the opening of the 2011 D3 baseball season?" :D
http://www.youtube.com/v/kh5iE5FA84g&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3
Does it not have to stop snowing before repairs can start ?
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 12, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2010, 03:08:39 PM
Metrodome roof collapses (http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/metrodome-collapses-blizzard_2010-12-12) under snow fall.
There may some Vikings fans who are concerned about the remainder of the season, but the real question is
"Will the Metrodome be ready for the opening of the 2011 D3 baseball season?" :D
http://www.youtube.com/v/kh5iE5FA84g&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3
Does it not have to stop snowing before repairs can start ?
I don't know. I defer to the resident ice fishermen who have to deal with that weather on a daily basis. :)
Give me 102 degrees any day over 28 degree weather! :D
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2010, 08:13:10 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 12, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2010, 03:08:39 PM
Metrodome roof collapses (http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/metrodome-collapses-blizzard_2010-12-12) under snow fall.
There may some Vikings fans who are concerned about the remainder of the season, but the real question is
"Will the Metrodome be ready for the opening of the 2011 D3 baseball season?" :D
http://www.youtube.com/v/kh5iE5FA84g&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3
Does it not have to stop snowing before repairs can start ?
I don't know. I defer to the resident ice fishermen who have to deal with that weather on a daily basis. :)
Give me 102 degrees any day over 28 degree weather! :D
A blue skied 87 degree day in SoCal in December... ;D :D
Teaching only a few miles from the Metrodome (and considering myself the resident ice-fisherman) I have seen the damage first-hand. I would think it can, and will, be repaired prior to the baseball season. The dome makes a ton of money off renting it out for baseball (as well as serving as the University of Minnesota's practice and game field). They stand to lose a ton of money if they cannot repair it in a timely manner.
That being said, it should be done for d3 games in late February. Specualtion has it done in a few weeks.
Quote from: BigPoppa on December 15, 2010, 08:20:29 AM
That being said, it should be done for d3 games in late February. Specualtion has it done in a few weeks.
Looks like speculation is wrong... I see that St. Olaf has canceled all their Dome games.
http://www.stolaf.edu/athletics/baseball/schedule/ (http://www.stolaf.edu/athletics/baseball/schedule/)
Quote from: biggio34 on December 29, 2010, 05:51:38 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on December 15, 2010, 08:20:29 AM
That being said, it should be done for d3 games in late February. Specualtion has it done in a few weeks.
Looks like speculation is wrong... I see that St. Olaf has canceled all their Dome games.
http://www.stolaf.edu/athletics/baseball/schedule/ (http://www.stolaf.edu/athletics/baseball/schedule/)
The Metrodome will be "closed" until sometime in March. The media says 300+ baseball games will be canceled.
St. Scholastica has scheduled 3 games with WashU the first week in March to make up for the loss of the dome games. Should be a good test for both teams.
How the Midwest is starting:
GOOD
UWW - 5-1 (Good in region wins vs Olaf & St. Thomas & Wash U)
St. Olaf - 7-1 (All in region, Split with UWW is good come selection time)
UWO - 3-1 (Not many beat Wooster 3 in a row)
St. Scholastica - 9-3 (2-1 in region. 3 losses by 3 runs including D1 Ill Chicago)
Bethany Lutheran - 5-2 (2-2 in region, playing a decent schedule in Fla)
SO SOUWSP - 2-2 (Losses to Ogelthorpe & Allegheny are head scratchers)
St. Johns - 5-4 (on the fence, need to play some defense to have a shot)
Conc. Chic - 9-3 (5-3 in region, couple not so good losses in Fla)
Edgewood - 5-4 (Sweep Ripon, played Olaf twice hard, may be there in the end)
UGLY
St. Thomas - 0-5 (Schedule is brutal, but should be at least 2-3)
I think that your in-region records are wrong. I believe that you have games against the Central region included in your in-region records. I don't think that games against the Central region are counted as in-region games. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The Tommies respond to being called out by beating Whitewater 6-4.
Also, those games are in the same geographic region... I don't know the exact wording or exactly how it works, but I do believe WW's games against Wash U for example are in region wins, even though one team is in the Midwest and the other is in the Central.
Quote from: scrapper on March 21, 2011, 05:35:04 PM
I think that your in-region records are wrong. I believe that you have games against the Central region included in your in-region records. I don't think that games against the Central region are counted as in-region games. Correct me if I'm wrong.
There's four ways to play an in-region game:
1. The most obvious, play someone from your sport's defined region, as in Midwest vs. Midwest
2. Play a school that is located within 200 miles from your school
3. Play a school located in the same NCAA Administrative Region as your school. There are four of those, but the one germaine to this discussion is Region 4. Region 4 includes Wisconsin, Illinois and every state west of the Mississippi River.
4. Play a team in your conference (really only applies if you are in the UAA or SCAC.)
So as you can see MOST (if not all) games among Midwest and Central region teams are "in-region" for the NCAA's purposes.
http://www.d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament#region
Thanks for the info. This helps clear up the in-region question.
In a big Midwest Region match-up today, Point sweeps St. Thomas 4-2 and 9-0. I don't have any oter details, so who knows what the pitching match-ups looked like.
Quote from: cubs on March 23, 2011, 08:32:27 PM
In a big Midwest Region match-up today, Point sweeps St. Thomas 4-2 and 9-0. I don't have any oter details, so who knows what the pitching match-ups looked like.
A 2-8 start for the Tommies, ouch! When is the last time this team was not ranked?
No excuses for the Tommies. They are not the Tommies of the past. There is nothing dominant about this club. They are very young and I can't see them being down for long. They've played a brutally tough schedule so far with little success. I expect them to right this ship as they get into conference play. They're not one of the top 5 teams in the region, but they still have the talent to be in that next tier. Don't count them out yet.
As scores continue to roll in this week and games are starting to pile up, it appears that several teams are (or have the chance to be) good to very good while others are surprisingly not playing well.
I have questions for those in the know about the following teams.
So here goes...
1. St. Olaf - Impressive schedule and an even more impressive record. Their pitching staff is obviously setting the tone. I thought they would be improved from last year... I'm surprised they improved by this much. Are they as good as their record looks?
2. UW-Oshkosh - Along the same lines as Olaf... thought they would be better, surprised at how good it sounds like they are playing. Its looking like these JUCO transfers are legit?? The pitching staff seems deep too?
3. St. Thomas - Again, a tough early schedule, but alot of their games have not even been that close, which surprises me. It's one thing to lose games, but they seem to have been over matched in some of these scores. Are we looking at a team that just isn't that good, or have they been unprepared, or have their opponents just brought their A game every time?
4. Bethany Lutheran - They won some close games early, I know they are deep on the mound, but will their offense be able to keep up with the better teams in the region? Will this squad be in the conversation at the end of the year when its regional time?
I have not seen a single game yet this year, so my ability to comment is limited to box scores and articles. Sounds like a lot of games in the region will be canceled this weekend. Never thought I would say this, but I miss the Metrodome. >:(
Biggio-
Complete agreement on the Oles (I was unsure of them even after talking with a former player of mine that is there now). They are looking very strong.
I was high on Oshkosh early in the pre-season and took a ton of flak when I placed them at #24 in my pre-season poll in January. I just found it hard to believe that Lechnir was not a good coach and would figure out a way to right the past few seasons. Other than a loss to Carthage, they have looked spectacular.
I am not sure what the deal with the Tommies is. Are they struggling under Olean's first full season (Denning resigned in January of last year, but ran the fall season before leaving)? I am sure they will get back on track before all is said and done, but will they do too much damage to make the post-season as a Pool C?
Bethany is bit of a mystery to me. Weather is preventing us from getting a solid read on them with Webster rained out, and Rockford and Augsburg both cancelled this weekend. A game next week with Buena Vista might give us more insight into their future. Still, they should pile up Ws in the UMAC. Kudos to them for improving the SoS this season with UST, St. Olaf, and the lost games with Webster, Rockford and Augsburg (which they should try to re-schedule to bump up their SoS).
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 25, 2011, 02:20:36 PM
Biggio-
I am not sure what the deal with the Tommies is. Are they struggling under Olean's first full season (Denning resigned in January of last year, but ran the fall season before leaving)? I am sure they will get back on track before all is said and done, but will they do too much damage to make the post-season as a Pool C?
Bethany is bit of a mystery to me. Weather is preventing us from getting a solid read on them with Webster rained out, and Rockford and Augsburg both cancelled this weekend. A game next week with Buena Vista might give us more insight into their future. Still, they should pile up Ws in the UMAC. Kudos to them for improving the SoS this season with UST, St. Olaf, and the lost games with Webster, Rockford and Augsburg (which they should try to re-schedule to bump up their SoS).
Regarding the Tommies, I'm not sure it's the coaching that has anything to do with their struggles... unless we are examining the recruiting aspect of coaching. I know STU brought in a huge class, of which I must admit I know little about, but did they bring in guys capable of filling the large holes left by Schuld, Larson, Wippler, Stone etc ?? Also, I'm puzzled as to why they do not have their website updated. It's actually pretty annoying. You have to visit their opponents site to gather any info about what is actually going on in their games. The one game they did update their site about was the Whitewater win... go figure.
As for Bethany, their SOS may be effected by things outside their control, even though they did attempt to schedule so good teams. If STU continues to struggle, playing them won't mean what it has meant in the past. And you can't control weather. It's unfortunate, but like you said BigPoppa, hopefully they are able to reschedule some of these good games later in the year.
I'll be the first to admit that the Tommies are down. And by down, I mean that this isn't Tommie Baseball that Coach Denning preached while building this squad into what it was prior to this season. Defense & pitching have been the cornerstone of this program for better than a decade. They are young, but the guys rolliing out there are not getting it done. Olean was a pig part of that pitching I talked about earlier and I do not doubt that the pitching will get in line soon. But the defense and offensive strugles fall on his shoulders and that of his assistants. I think it's about time to bite the pride bullet and get Buzz Hallahan on the horn. He was a huge part of the defensive success as well as offense throughout the run of the 2000's. This will not happen though, since Buzz & Olean aren't exactly close. I think a lot of promises are made in recruiting of these rookies and it may be backfiring with a lack of chemistry. Great talent only wins with great direction!
Also yes, seriously the website get on it. I realize that the Basketball team just won a National Championship ;D but did the SID decide to take the spring off? Likely a recruiting move to keep the poor start out of the recruits vision.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 25, 2011, 01:44:17 PM
As scores continue to roll in this week and games are starting to pile up, it appears that several teams are (or have the chance to be) good to very good while others are surprisingly not playing well.
I have questions for those in the know about the following teams.
So here goes...
1. St. Olaf - Impressive schedule and an even more impressive record. Their pitching staff is obviously setting the tone. I thought they would be improved from last year... I'm surprised they improved by this much. Are they as good as their record looks?
2. UW-Oshkosh - Along the same lines as Olaf... thought they would be better, surprised at how good it sounds like they are playing. Its looking like these JUCO transfers are legit?? The pitching staff seems deep too?
3. St. Thomas - Again, a tough early schedule, but alot of their games have not even been that close, which surprises me. It's one thing to lose games, but they seem to have been over matched in some of these scores. Are we looking at a team that just isn't that good, or have they been unprepared, or have their opponents just brought their A game every time?
4. Bethany Lutheran - They won some close games early, I know they are deep on the mound, but will their offense be able to keep up with the better teams in the region? Will this squad be in the conversation at the end of the year when its regional time?
I have not seen a single game yet this year, so my ability to comment is limited to box scores and articles. Sounds like a lot of games in the region will be canceled this weekend. Never thought I would say this, but I miss the Metrodome. >:(
Give this a whirl:
1) St. Olaf - There was a point where I thought this squad may come back to earth, guess not. The pitching has been really good vs some very good teams. Offense doing enough to win games against some upper tier arms I may add. The MIAC is theirs to lose at this point. NOBODY in the league is as deep as they are on the mound.
2) Oshkosh - Healthy staff, a LEGITIMATE catcher for a change and a group of guys that can what Lechnir dishes out makes this team very dangerous. Very impressed by what the back end of the staff has done to teams such as Wooster. Definitly looking at the tournament in my opinion.
3) St. Thomas - Pretty sure I covered that
4) Bethany Lutheran - Webster would have been a good measuring stick, but this team is only as good as the offense that shows up that day. They have a lot of holes to fill, but can depend on not needing a whole lot of runs to win when Hallahan is on the mound. Looked like they got some quality starts in Florida from guys not named Hallahan. Could be a year that they topple the St. Scholastica mountain.
Things like SOS are tough to judge. Any team that put St. Thomas on their schedule are not happy right now. Other than Point & Whitwater, there is probably no safer team to put on your schedule to improve your SOS. Without the dome and with the lovely weather we've had in the twin cities, your going to see a lot of games crammed into short periods of time. Which in turn means some teams are going to lose games they shouldn't being stretched thin on pitching. To say this year is going to be strange, may be the understatement of the season.
For what I believe is a UST guy to come down this badly on the Tommies is a little brutal in my own opinion. UST graduated a ton of talent that has contributed for multiple years and you don't just replace those guys with freshman and expect to stay the course. Olean will have this team ready by the end of the year and I expect them to still make a regional.
Its easy to jump on the bandwagon of teams after a good florida trip, but again seasons aren't made on a one week trip. Its a test of the depth in a teams pitching since a great deal of the time teams are throwing their 4 & 5 midweek vs some pretty good teams.
Based on stats and having seen a few of these teams, here's my thoughts:
St. Scholastica B+ (pitching good, offense good, defense is a ????)
Bethany Lutheran B (Dominant 1 very good 2, offense is average)
St. Thomas C+ (young pitching ok, defense really hurting them right now)
St. Olaf A- (Pitching has been terrific, youth shows up at some point though)
St. Johns B (Dominant #1, good offense, not a lot of depth on the mound)
Whitewater A- (Not a lot of holes in this squad, with a lot of returners)
Stevens Point B+ (Still my pick to win the WIAC, slow start. Too many good players)
Oshkosh A- (a lot like Olaf, very good and deep on the mound, offense firing well)
Again, ITS EARLY
The Tommies will be there in the end.
The WIAC may have three Top 15 teams by the end of the season.
I love the Oles right now. Just get it done day in and day out.
I see the WIAC getting three bids... the MIAC getting two... and the UMAC getting 1.5 bids. Still not sold on Bethany Lutheran, but they have a chance to do some damage this year. It would have been easier in the Pool B, but moving to Pool C may cost the UMAC.
I have no idea of what to think of the NAC right now, but I really like Concordia-Chicago so far.
Nice inter-conference Midwest match-up tomorrow with UWSP at Edgewood in a DH at 1:00. EC has live stats and live video, so you'll have something to distract you from doing work at the office.
EC live links: http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/sports/2008/6/12/GEN_0612080837.aspx
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 25, 2011, 04:24:12 PM
2) Oshkosh - Healthy staff, a LEGITIMATE catcher for a change and a group of guys that can what Lechnir dishes out makes this team very dangerous. Very impressed by what the back end of the staff has done to teams such as Wooster. Definitly looking at the tournament in my opinion.
Care to elaborate on the legitimate catcher comment? I guess I am a little confused, because going into this season you had a three-year starter returning at the catching position in Hiroskey. Now I understand that he was unable to catch the majority of last season due to injury, but I don't think that was what your comment meant.
Just going back and looking at who started at catcher the past 10+ seasons shows more often than not, they have had a "legitimate" cathcer. Below, you can see that Oshkosh has had an All Conference catcher seven of the last thirteen years. In four of the other six years, Oshkosh's catcher was an Honorable Mention selection. That leaves two years since 1998, that Oshkosh was without a catcher receiving any type of recognition, in 2001, when Ben Stanley was a first year starter, and in 2005, when the primary catcher still threw out one out of every three stolen base attempts. Some of the names to strap on the gear over that time? Casey Kopitzke, Vince Mancuso, and Korey Feiner just to name a few.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 25, 2011, 01:44:17 PM
As scores continue to roll in this week and games are starting to pile up, it appears that several teams are (or have the chance to be) good to very good while others are surprisingly not playing well.
I have questions for those in the know about the following teams.
So here goes...
2. UW-Oshkosh - Along the same lines as Olaf... thought they would be better, surprised at how good it sounds like they are playing. Its looking like these JUCO transfers are legit?? The pitching staff seems deep too?
A couple of comments, although a bit tardy....
1. Oshkosh had some pitchers that were thrown to the wolves last season, when in all honesty they weren't ready. While guys like Mattson, Cordier, and Kuepper were busy quitting the last two years, guys like Westphal, Mrkvicka, Murphy, and Wells took their lumps, but stuck with it. Now you have guys that have some experience to supplement the return of Rubens, and the D1 transfer in Schreiber.
2. Westphal and Mrkvicka ended last season as the Titans #2 and #3 pitchers. Now with Rubens and Schreiber, it allows them to slide down in the rotation, and in Mrkvicka's case, be the main bullpen option. That depth "should" pay off, with the way the weather is this season. While Whitewater and Stevens Point can arguably match-up just as well (if not better) in the #1, #2, and #3 spots with Tincher/Leitner/Donovan and Williams/Delorit/Koback, I think Oshkosh has shown a little more pitching depth thus far.
3. The change in the bats for the 20011 season, may benefit a team like Oshkosh more than the other WIAC contenders. If you take a look at the stats over the past 5-10 years, Point and Whitewater have made a living with the longball. Oshkosh on the other hand has been laying down bunts and moving runners over instead of waiting for the 3-run HR, leading the WIAC in sacrifice bunts five of the last six years.
Now most of this is just my opinion, which is subject to change over the next couple of months... ;D
Correct me if i'm wrong here but in 08 & 09 (could be Hiroskey) was him moving to catcher a positional conversion following the injury to Mickey? The kid did a fine job, but catchers need experience to handle staffs and situations and nobody was scared to run on him. Been awhile since they've had a strong defensive catcher. i guess it should have been worded as a "shut the running game down" type of guy. All Conference is 9 times out of 10 an offensive award, but some do receive those honors for their work with the glove. Take Field for example at UST, he's hands down the best defensive catcher in the MIAC, but will never be the first team All MIAC catcher. Slick at Bethel puts up ridiculous numbers and will get that nod every time despite being middle of the road MIAC defensively. The guys you mentioned were all very good players, Kopitzke both ways especially. But very good 2 way catchers are a short commodity. And right now they have a very good one.
I think what you are seeing is Oshkosh finding a way to get their best players on the field. Hiroskey was a SS coming out of HS that was converted into a catcher. His are clearly couldn't hold up and it makes since to move him to 1B to save the arm but make use of his bat.
A comment about Matt Wells. Matt hardly pitched in HS. He put in a few innings here and there but was primarily a 3B/OF. The one thing he had going for him was a lot of movement (which actually hurt his 3B play, the ball just moved too much). My son was a teammate and said he was the hardest player to hit against in practice he just lacked consistency. If he gets it together like he did against Wooster he could be a real surprise. Lechnir made a smart move by putting him on the mound.
Good stuff! From the sounds of it Oshkosh is a force to be reckoned with.
I agree with Cubs on the fact that the new bats will bring Point and Whitewater back to the rest of the field when it comes to scoring runs. Teams like Oshkosh, Olaf, CSS that have more singles and doubles type hitters that can execute situationally have to be excited about this change.
I have read on other boards some statistics about offensive production due to the new bat, but without having seen a game yet, I don't have a good feel for how it is impacting the game. It seems as though teams are putting up runs, but doing it in different ways, instead of counting on the 3 run bomb?? So the question is, what team is going to be best able to adapt and excel with this new bat? I would have put money on it being St. Thomas before the season started, but that has not panned out to this point.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 30, 2011, 12:47:35 AM
Take Field for example at UST, he's hands down the best defensive catcher in the MIAC, but will never be the first team All MIAC catcher.
Hmmm, I have no idea if Field is good this year or not, offensively or defensively, BECAUSE ST. THOMAS HAS NO STATS!!! WTF
So... does everyone still think I was crazy putting Oshkosh in my preseason top 25?
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 30, 2011, 11:43:13 AM
So... does everyone still think I was crazy putting Oshkosh in my preseason top 25?
I am not surprised with how the top of their rotation is pitching. That was one part of their team I thought would be solid. It's the back end of the rotation that has been better than expected. If they continue to get solid performances from guys like Wells and Murphy, it just makes UWO that much better.
I am however surprised with how they have performed offensively. Outside of Fadness, there were quite a few question marks with their line-up. The JUCO guys have definitely made an impact accounting for a third of the Titans extra-base hits.
The defense is a surprise as well, as a lot of guys are playing new positions this season. They have already turned 15 double plays in 10 games. To put that in perspective, they turned just 32 in 38 games last season.
The midwest teams schedules are ever changing with poor field conditions and cold weather across the region. Some of the teams sites do a good job of keeping up to date on schedule changes, and some do not. Can anyone update what their teams are doing this weekend, when and who they are playing?
CSS and St. Thomas have postponed their games for today.
CSS has moved a single 9 against Crown (scheduled for Friday) to Saturday to make the series into a triple header to be played at Minnetonka's high school field (turf).
Who else is playing, and who is not?
WHITEWATER hosts Superior on Saturday and Sunday. Though the weather isn't looking too promising for Sunday. It could be postponed to Monday but the weather isn't looking much better then either.
I missed the change in bats. Could someone please fill me in?
Never mind I've learned of the new bats and did they ever make a difference in today's double hitter with Ripon. What would have been 7 or 8 home runs last year was just 1 today.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 31, 2011, 09:59:43 AM
The midwest teams schedules are ever changing with poor field conditions and cold weather across the region. Some of the teams sites do a good job of keeping up to date on schedule changes, and some do not. Can anyone update what their teams are doing this weekend, when and who they are playing?
CSS and St. Thomas have postponed their games for today.
You know the good folks in Tommie land will be all over getting that site up to date at the first word of a change. ;)
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 31, 2011, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on March 31, 2011, 09:59:43 AM
The midwest teams schedules are ever changing with poor field conditions and cold weather across the region. Some of the teams sites do a good job of keeping up to date on schedule changes, and some do not. Can anyone update what their teams are doing this weekend, when and who they are playing?
CSS and St. Thomas have postponed their games for today.
You know the good folks in Tommie land will be all over getting that site up to date at the first word of a change. ;)
You are right.... after another loss yesterday (6-2 to Winona St.), those good folks finally did update the site. Yay!
My thoughts after checking out all the box scores and game recaps this weekend for the UMAC, MIAC, WIAC.
1.) St. Thomas almost got swept... by Carleton. Looks to me like they got lucky to win 1 game. I don't even know what to say about this squad at this point. 5-10 overall, they are going to be in a fight just to make the MIAC tourney. I am shocked, but still feel like they will turn it around. Sweeping St. Johns would be a good start.
2.) Even though going 3-1 on a weekend series in the WIAC is always respectable, I think Oshkosh's loss to Platteville is a bad one that will cost them. I don't see Point or Whitewater dropping a game to them.
3.) Does Superior have a few good pitchers?? Those were some strange scores in my opinion. And Daniel Putnam is the man!
4.) The UMAC is again predictably brutal. Might be worse than ever this year. I was surprised to see Northwestern beat Northland so badly. Will Northland's new coach be able to handle a few years of this in an attempt to turn it around, or will he up and leave?
5.) The win of the weekend goes to Bethany Lutheran who walked off Presention down 1-0 with 2 outs in the 7th, 3 run bomb to win it. Not too shabby. Although I'm not sure why they had zero runs going into the 7th??
0 runs through 6 innings against a pretty average pitcher is not very good, but Bethany did put up 14 and 12 runs the other two games so maybe their bats are starting to come around? The sign of a good team is finding ways to win when they dont play their best, a reason CSS has had so much success over the years. Biggest matchup of the UMAC season happens this weekend in Duluth when CSS hosts Bethany. Is this the year CSS is finally taken down or will their run of dominating the UMAC continue?
Quote from: biggio34 on April 04, 2011, 03:46:09 PM
3.) Does Superior have a few good pitchers?? Those were some strange scores in my opinion. And Daniel Putnam is the man!
Branum pitched well in the first game but the defense behind him was atrocious. Elwood was ok in relief. Bursik pitched pretty well in the third game but didn't get enough offensive support. The other guys weren't very good.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 04, 2011, 03:46:09 PM
My thoughts after checking out all the box scores and game recaps this weekend for the UMAC, MIAC, WIAC.
1.) St. Thomas almost got swept... by Carleton. Looks to me like they got lucky to win 1 game. I don't even know what to say about this squad at this point. 5-10 overall, they are going to be in a fight just to make the MIAC tourney. I am shocked, but still feel like they will turn it around. Sweeping St. Johns would be a good start. Would like to think they will turn it around but still very shocking, but will probably end up with one of their worst records in recent years.
2.) Even though going 3-1 on a weekend series in the WIAC is always respectable, I think Oshkosh's loss to Platteville is a bad one that will cost them. I don't see Point or Whitewater dropping a game to them. Cant lose those games, but think the head to head matchups between the 3 will be deciding factor
3.) Does Superior have a few good pitchers?? Those were some strange scores in my opinion. And Daniel Putnam is the man!
4.) The UMAC is again predictably brutal. Might be worse than ever this year. I was surprised to see Northwestern beat Northland so badly. Will Northland's new coach be able to handle a few years of this in an attempt to turn it around, or will he up and leave? Northland hasnt had any coaches make recently and do not think this coach will be any different. Tough to get enough talent in Northern WI and then fight for it against UWS/CSS close being close by
5.) The win of the weekend goes to Bethany Lutheran who walked off Presention down 1-0 with 2 outs in the 7th, 3 run bomb to win it. Not too shabby. Although I'm not sure why they had zero runs going into the 7th?? will they be able to play in Duluth this weekend, see CSS/Northland were postponed today
Quote from: MNbaseball on April 04, 2011, 07:50:21 PM
0 runs through 6 innings against a pretty average pitcher is not very good, but Bethany did put up 14 and 12 runs the other two games so maybe their bats are starting to come around? The sign of a good team is finding ways to win when they dont play their best, a reason CSS has had so much success over the years. Biggest matchup of the UMAC season happens this weekend in Duluth when CSS hosts Bethany. Is this the year CSS is finally taken down or will their run of dominating the UMAC continue?
I like their chances a little more with you in the lineup rather than the coaches box. I believe Bethany will make a run, but hard to get 2 of 3 from CSS even with Hallahan on the mound. Both teams had nice BP sessions last weekend, but it'll be interesting to see how they do versus each others top 2.
The loss on Saturday is pretty much the end of any chance at a Pool C for the Tommies, but there is zero doubt that this team will make the MIAC tournament. Look for a lot of pitchers to get chances and prove they belong in that uniform. One thing teams in the midwest know is that the Tommies are always ready come tourney time!
So if a guy was going to try and take a guess at what the Midwest Region rankings were going to look like, in a couple of weeks, what would be a good starting point?
You have the traditonal powers like Whitewater and St. Scholastica that would be near the top, but who else would fill out the rankings?
Quote from: cubs on April 15, 2011, 06:50:48 PM
So if a guy was going to try and take a guess at what the Midwest Region rankings were going to look like, in a couple of weeks, what would be a good starting point?
You have the traditonal powers like Whitewater and St. Scholastica that would be near the top, but who else would fill out the rankings?
Concordia-Chicago, Oshkosh, St. Olaf, Stevens Point
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 15, 2011, 08:06:14 PM
Quote from: cubs on April 15, 2011, 06:50:48 PM
So if a guy was going to try and take a guess at what the Midwest Region rankings were going to look like, in a couple of weeks, what would be a good starting point?
You have the traditonal powers like Whitewater and St. Scholastica that would be near the top, but who else would fill out the rankings?
Concordia-Chicago, Oshkosh, St. Olaf, Stevens Point
Those would have been my first four choices as well, BUT take a look at La Crosse's results. Would they actually rank above Point if the rankings came out today?
If LaCrosse wins this weekend then yes...
Point absolutely needs to find a way to win either all 4 or at least 3 at LaCrosse. They have had a problem in the past with taking all 4 from bottom teams and I'm not counting on them going to Platteville, Superior, or LaCrosse and taking all 4. I'm hoping they can split with Oshkosh the next time and go 14-2 against the other 4 teams.
Based on SOS and In-region I give it a look like this:
1) UW-Whitewater (WIAC leader)
2) St. Olaf (MAC series cost them the 1)
3) St. Scholastica (probably wrapped up UMAC last weekend)
4) UWSP (Has the Titans for 2 more, but WIAC schedule gets lighter)
5) Conc. Chicago (rolling through the NAC to this point)
6) UW-Oshkosh (still has WW and 2 more with Point to deal with)
bonus:
7) Bethany Lutheran (very good schedule if weather doesn't blow it)
7A) UW Lacrosse (proved they belonged with OSH split)
Heavy emphasis on the SOS to this POINT ::)
2 & 3 could flip flop depending on the Sunday outcome
But these teams have taken care of business to this time, these teams will jockey for position throughout the rest of the season, but this is the top of the Midwest in this guys opinion.
I cant remember the last time I haven't had any good reasons to put the Tommies in one of these >:( maybe the Gopher win kicks them into gear and a deep run to another MIAC tourney title.
Based on MIACLUV's region rankings, below is each team's SOS with in region records according to the D3 website for each team listed, and I threw in Macalester because they currently are in 1st place in the MIAC.
Bethany Lutheran- 6 (9-5)
Stevens Point- 9 (11-5)
Whitewater- 11 (14-4)
Macalester- 19 (11-6)
St. Olaf- 28 (15-4)
Oshkosh- 38 (9-5)
UW Lacrosse- 174 (14-6)
St. Scholastica- 180 (9-2)
Concordia- 270 (13-4)
Good Midwest Region match up of conference leaders today with Concordia Chicago at UW-Whitewater. I believe it's just a single game starting at 3:00. Live stats here:
http://www.sidearmstats.com/uww/baseball/index.htm
Quote from: Just Bill on April 21, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
Good Midwest Region match up of conference leaders today with Concordia Chicago at UW-Whitewater. I believe it's just a single game starting at 3:00. Live stats here:
http://www.sidearmstats.com/uww/baseball/index.htm
CUC can really put themselves on the national map with a win today.
It will be interesting to see who Whitewater throws, as they don't have a WIAC game until next Wedensday. Their #1 and #2 threw on Sunday, so they would have three days rest.
Quote from: cubs on April 21, 2011, 03:47:19 PM
It will be interesting to see who Whitewater throws, as they don't have a WIAC game until next Wedensday. Their #1 and #2 threw on Sunday, so they would have three days rest.
UWW is throwing Riley Tichner, who is probably #2, right? CUC is throwing Dan Kluss, who is probably their #3.
Tincher is the #1 for Whitewater Donovan #2.
UWW gets 2 (unearned) in the bottom of the first, but CUC has loaded the bases with nobody out in the second.
EDIT: CUC gets one on a DP ground ball and singles in another. 2-2 in the middle of the second.
Great game brewing. Batters are defintely winning the battles right now. 4-4 with CUC batting in the top of the 4th.
UWW leads 5-4 in the top of the 5th, but Tichner exits the game after giving up a leadoff double to Cam Stephens. Justin Lambert is in to pitch for UWW.
CUC scores two in the fifth to go back in front 6-5. Final pitching line for Tichner: 4 IP, 11 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 2 K. No decision possible.
Garret Balind in to pitch for CUC. 6-5 Cougars after five. Final line for Kluss: 4 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 2 K. No decision possible.
7-6 UWW. UWW put runnners on first and third with no outs in the seventh, but came away empty.
Top of the ninth, still 7-6 UWW. CUC puts the leadoff hitter on base with a walk. CUC moves him to second on a ground out and UWW goes to Donovan to get the save. Donovan strikes out first batter he faces for second out of the inning, and gets a ground out to end the game. Warhawks win 7-6.
P.S. I hate that UWW doesn't display pitch-by-pitch in their live stats. But I guess it's better than nothing.
It's better than clicking on a live stats link and discovering that the only thing there is the previous day's last game. ;)
Anybody want to take a guess at what the Midwest Regional Rankings will look like when they are released on Thursday?
1. Whitewater
2. St. Scholastica
3. Stevens Point
4. Oshkosh
5. Concordia-Chicago
6. St. John's
St. Olaf who seemed to be a lock to be in the first rankings have lost six of their last eight, all of which have been "In-Region" MIAC games.
I picked St. John's to have the "best" resume of all the MIAC teams. Any objections?
Quote from: cubs on April 24, 2011, 12:52:58 PM
Anybody want to take a guess at what the Midwest Regional Rankings will look like when they are released on Thursday?
1. Whitewater
2. St. Scholastica
3. Stevens Point
4. Oshkosh
5. Concordia-Chicago
6. St. John's
St. Olaf who seemed to be a lock to be in the first rankings have lost six of their last eight, all of which have been "In-Region" MIAC games.
I picked St. John's to have the "best" resume of all the MIAC teams. Any objections?
The MIAC is such a tough call. I think Olaf is the deepest team on the hill but offensively they have too many games where they do not produce runs. I would pick them to win the MIAC tournament, but you are right, too many losses recently. The Tommies and CSS square off tomorrow so we'll see if the Tommies string of recent good play is a trend or a mirage.
I think I would rank them like this...
1. Whitewater
2. Point
3. CSS
4. Conc-Chi
5. Oshkosh
6. Lacrosse or St. Johns or Macalaster (did i just say that?)
Lots of games early this week so this could all change before Thursday.
I have no prejudices against CSS, and admittedly know little about their current team, but knowing their past performances I have a very difficult time accepting them as a legitimate 1-4 seed despite their season record. Until they can win a game or two in a regional I would have to make them 5-6 seed. I'm sorry but you can't ignore their competition throughout the year.
Quote from: Dagger on April 25, 2011, 12:30:45 PM
I have no prejudices against CSS, and admittedly know little about their current team, but knowing their past performances I have a very difficult time accepting them as a legitimate 1-4 seed despite their season record. Until they can win a game or two in a regional I would have to make them 5-6 seed. I'm sorry but you can't ignore their competition throughout the year.
A valid statement about this year's team, as they have not played anyone to prove themselves. However, when talking about their past performances at regionals, you can't say they have never won a game or two. Last year they didn't play well and went 0-2. A few years back they made it to the final day against Whitewater. They have beaten the top regional teams and pitchers at regional time before, including Jordan Zimmerman (twice).
I put them at 3rd in my rankings precisely for the reason that they have had a bit of a weak schedule due to the dome collapse and some other weather cancellations and have not been able to show off their team against anyone good. But I do believe this team is good. And I do believe they deserve a top 4 spot in the Midwest.
Here is my guess at what it may look like: (still a few games this week that could change it all)
1. Whitewater
2. Stevens Point
3. St. Scholastica
4. Concordia (IL)
5. Oshkosh
6. St. Olaf
7. St. Johns/Lacrosse
Really have a hard time with St Olaf in the top of anything right now. No matter what they did earlier this year they have lost 7 0f their last 10 and are 7th in their conference with a 7-7 record and 19-10 overall. No way do they deserve to be on any list right now. Only if they can turn it around and sneak back into the MIAC race. Almost impossible with them sitting at 7-7 right now.
Quote from: scrapper on April 25, 2011, 01:23:00 PM
Really have a hard time with St Olaf in the top of anything right now. No matter what they did earlier this year they have lost 7 0f their last 10 and are 7th in their conference with a 7-7 record and 19-10 overall. No way do they deserve to be on any list right now. Only if they can turn it around and sneak back into the MIAC race. Almost impossible with them sitting at 7-7 right now.
Still, how a team is playing right now is NOT one of the cosiderations for the committee. It is looked at collectively.
I see a couple if guys have Concordia a little higher in the rankings than I did. Is it safe to assume that their Regional Record (18-5) holds more weight than the Strength of Schedule?
Here is how I see it to this point:
1) UW-Whitewater -- quality wins plus SOS
2) UW-Stevens Point -- SOS is off the charts, some bad losses in there though
3) St. Scholastica -- beat a UST playing very well of late today, and had some teams get canceled by weather
4) Conc. Chicago -- in the same boat as St. Scholastica weak SOS but win the games they are suppose to
5) UW-Oshkosh -- Nice wins on the schedule, in the toughest conference in the country
6) St. Johns -- believe will win the MIAC, has beaten the upper tier of conf foes, schedule lightens rest of way
7) UW-Lax -- SOS really only thing that keeps them in mix, don't see them making WIAC tourney
8) MAC -- Leading the MIAC and have care of Olaf
9) St.Olaf / UST -- UST on the way up, Oles on the way down. UST had won 8 in a row until today inc over U of M
Top 5 are all serious regional contenders, all have good pitching depth and consistent offense. UWW & UWSP are a notch ahead of everyone else though as far as talent and being built for tourny play.
Quote from: Dagger on April 25, 2011, 12:30:45 PM
I have no prejudices against CSS, and admittedly know little about their current team, but knowing their past performances I have a very difficult time accepting them as a legitimate 1-4 seed despite their season record. Until they can win a game or two in a regional I would have to make them 5-6 seed. I'm sorry but you can't ignore their competition throughout the year.
The dome going down hurt the schedule a lot ( St.Thomas & St. Olaf ) as well as weather in Rockford (Rockford & Augsburg) and even with trying to make games up later in the season (St. Olaf & Carleton). The weather has caused a mess for a lot of teams this year, but has really taken its toll on the CSS schedule, which will in turn reflect in the S.O.S.
So justly you are correct that they will be seeded low based on the numbers, but to say they have not won games in regionals is ridiculous. I think someone mentioned this before, but I do know that UWSP lost 2 straight years with Zimmerman on the mound to CSS. Also they beat, Carthage & St. Thomas in 2008 on the way to the regional title game before losing to Whitewater. Last season was a bit of a buzz saw that there weren't a lot of teams that would have faired any better (Open with WW and game 2 UWSP) I think both of those teams faired pretty well in that regional. Am I wrong?
Big Poppa, you still have to see that St Olaf is 7-7 in conference and in 7th place. I don't see how you can even rate a 7th place team that is .500 in conference.
Quote from: Bronko7 on April 25, 2011, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dagger on April 25, 2011, 12:30:45 PM
I have no prejudices against CSS, and admittedly know little about their current team, but knowing their past performances I have a very difficult time accepting them as a legitimate 1-4 seed despite their season record. Until they can win a game or two in a regional I would have to make them 5-6 seed. I'm sorry but you can't ignore their competition throughout the year.
The dome going down hurt the schedule a lot ( St.Thomas & St. Olaf ) as well as weather in Rockford (Rockford & Augsburg) and even with trying to make games up later in the season (St. Olaf & Carleton). The weather has caused a mess for a lot of teams this year, but has really taken its toll on the CSS schedule, which will in turn reflect in the S.O.S.
So justly you are correct that they will be seeded low based on the numbers, but to say they have not won games in regionals is ridiculous. I think someone mentioned this before, but I do know that UWSP lost 2 straight years with Zimmerman on the mound to CSS. Also they beat, Carthage & St. Thomas in 2008 on the way to the regional title game before losing to Whitewater. Last season was a bit of a buzz saw that there weren't a lot of teams that would have faired any better (Open with WW and game 2 UWSP) I think both of those teams faired pretty well in that regional. Am I wrong?
Agreed CSS has had a tough road in the regionals.
2005 beat USP in the first game, then lost to Reinhard, then lost to Zimmerman
2006 beat Zimmerman in opening game then faced #1 Ripon in the brutal setup of a 7team regional
2007 lost to Zimmerman
2008 Reached finals
2009 1-2 lost to UST and USP
2010-0-2 USP and WW
So yes they have not won a regional and if you asked CSS that is disappointing but they have faced some tough teams (i know its a regional but not all teams are great teams). Not to mention they faced Reinhard/Zimmerman 4x in 6 years. There is a reason why Point threw Zimmerman both times to open against CSS... Their strength of scheduled hurts them every year which is why they get stuck with a 4 seed and have tough match ups. They can only do so much with their schedule
Do not think CSS is below 3 but dont think they have the schedule to justify being a 2.
Now if I understand things correctly, Oshkosh's 4-0 record against Wooster holds little weight correct, since it is out of region? Wooster finished 9-4 (currently 19-12 overall) in the NCAC and will likely earn the #1 seed in the NCAC Tournament.
Concordia Chicago didn't do itself any favors, losing twice to Aurora on Monday, 3-2 and 6-0. I don't think those games will be reflected in this week's regional rankings though. I think the end of the consideration period for this week was Sunday.
I was just looking at the St. Scholastica schedule on their website and they have added UW-Whitewater for two games on May 3rd. Looks like the games will be at WW although WW has yet to add anything to their website.
If the website schedule is correct CSS's upcoming games will be...
Wednesday v Northland 1(9)
Friday v UM-Morris 1(9)
Saturday v UM-Morris 2 (7)
Sunday v St. Johns 1(9)
Tuesday v UW-Whitewater Not sure if these are 9's or 7's
Thursday v UWS 1(9)
Friday v Northwestern 1(9)
Saturday v Northwestern 2(7)
Thats 11 games in 11 days. Yikes! Hope the boys pack a lunch cause even though some of these teams are weak, the depth of the staff is going to be tested in a way that it hasnt been tested this season. How much will getting in games with Whitewater help their SOS?
I hope the weather holds out so this happens and I hope they are up to the challenge.
The May 3rd double hitter with CSS is now listed on WHITEWATER'S website.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 26, 2011, 07:03:37 PM
The May 3rd double hitter with CSS is now listed on WHITEWATER'S website.
Badger, do you know if the games are 7's or 9's?
No, but I'll try to find out and post later.
usually doubleheaders are 2- 7's and single games are 9 innings.
Quote from: scrapper on April 27, 2011, 09:45:16 PM
usually doubleheaders are 2- 7's and single games are 9 innings.
Depends what league you are looking at.... The WIAC plays 24 9-inning games in league play, with all games being part of DH's.
just guessing that since it is a mid-week non-conference game that with the travel etc. that it would be 2-7's. Both teams have a lot of games on their schedule and are playing a lot of games in the next couple of weeks so I would guess that they would want to keep their players on the road as little as possible to get them home for classes.
There are some coaches/teams that will only play nine-inning games. I'm not sure if Whitewater would fit into this category, however they have only played two 7-inning games (not counting mercy-rule games) all season, and those were both down in Florida against St. Olaf when teams have little control over the schedule. I'm a firm believer in playing nine-inning games. If I want to watch seven-inning games, I will head to the softball field or watch a HS baseball game.
Quote from: cubs on April 27, 2011, 11:07:50 PM
There are some coaches/teams that will only play nine-inning games. I'm not sure if Whitewater would fit into this category, however they have only played two 7-inning games (not counting mercy-rule games) all season, and those were both down in Florida against St. Olaf when teams have little control over the schedule. I'm a firm believer in playing nine-inning games. If I want to watch seven-inning games, I will head to the softball field or watch a HS baseball game.
I think what the WIAC does with their conference games is a big reason why they are so prepared come regional time. Most teams are not used to playing two 9 innings games in the same day. Playing the 9's builds depth and I agree with cubs... a baseball game is 9 innings.
With that said, I can certainly see the teams wanting to play 7's in a mid week non conference DH where both have big season ending series the weekends before and after.
The double hitter scheduled with CSS will consist of two 7 inning games.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 28, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
The double hitter scheduled with CSS will consist of two 7 inning games.
It is a double HEADER not a double HITTER... sorry, I just could not take it anymore.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2011, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 28, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
The double hitter scheduled with CSS will consist of two 7 inning games.
It is a double HEADER not a double HITTER... sorry, I just could not take it anymore.
He knows Big Poppa. It's just his thing.
Quote from: Just Bill on April 28, 2011, 09:51:39 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2011, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 28, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
The double hitter scheduled with CSS will consist of two 7 inning games.
It is a double HEADER not a double HITTER... sorry, I just could not take it anymore.
He knows Big Poppa. It's just his thing.
And the wikipedia definition to tell us more goes like this...
Doubleheader is by definition two baseball games played between the same two teams on the same day in front of the same crowd. (The term originated in the railroad industry; see Double-heading.)
In railroad terminology, double-heading or double heading indicates the use of two locomotives at the front of a train, each operated individually by its own crew.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2011, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 28, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
The double hitter scheduled with CSS will consist of two 7 inning games.
It is a double HEADER not a double HITTER... sorry, I just could not take it anymore.
Cut me some slack I only have a public school education. :D
Anyone else think St. Thomas may get regionally ranked this week? UST has the best SOS in the nation. I don't think BLC is that far off either. Here's my top six.
1. Whitewater 22-5 in-region (.554 SOS)
2. Stevens Point 20-6 (.605)
3. St. Olaf 17-8 (.593)
4. St. Scholastica 16-2 (.508)
5. Macalester 15-6 (.544)
6. St. Thomas 15-9 (.610)
Next 10 (in a rough order ... didn't spend much time on that)
Aurora 18-7 (.543)
Hamline 15-6 (.534)
Bethany Lutheran 15-7 (.571)
St. John's 14-7 (.501)
Oshkosh 12-8 (.520)
Concordia Chicago 18-7 (.479)
La Crosse 19-11 (.501)
Bethel 11-7 (.500)
Concordia-Moorhead 8-6 (.503)
Benedictine 17-9 (.452)
EDIT: I think teams 3-7 (or even 9) could be in just about any order.
Oshdude-
I assume your numbers are including this week's games? While your rankings may be what things look like right now, I believe the rankings we will see later today will be a bit different just because of this weeks game not being counted yet.
they're up
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3
1. UW Whitewater
2. UW Stevens Point
3. Macalester
4. Hamline
5. St. Scholastica
6. St. Olaf
A lot of MIACLUV here, even I don't buy this! ;D
WOW!!!!
That is honestly all I can say...... I was having a hard time choosing which MIAC team to put in my rankings. Guess I should have picked multiple MIAC teams!!!
Quote from: cubs on April 28, 2011, 04:21:41 PM
WOW!!!!
That is honestly all I can say...... I was having a hard time choosing which MIAC team to put in my rankings. Guess I should have picked multiple MIAC teams!!!
My guess is at the end of the year rankings we will look back at this first go around and laugh that two of these teams are on it.
This is an embarrassment to D3 baseball. May as well throw Finladia on the list. Where's Oshkosh?
No reason to hate, the schedules these MIAC teams have put together is carrying them right now. Just wait until St. Thomas or St. Johns creeps in next week and eats up another spot.
Laughable. Boy, St Scholastica sure gets no respect.
MIAC LUV, your name speaks for itself. Who could another MIAC team replace? No way could they replace Whitewater, Stevvens Point or St Scholastica. The MIAC is way overrated in these rankings.
Quote from: scrapper on April 28, 2011, 04:50:12 PM
Laughable. Boy, St Scholastica sure gets no respect.
Play good teams and you get respect. CSS, for various reason's, hasn't played many good teams. And one of the perennial good teams they have played, and beat twice, isn't having a great season.
If CSS doesn't get in good non conference games, they aren't going to get the respect. Hopefully they will be helped by their games coming up against St. Johns and Whitewater, but I think even those will only help their SOS so much.
The weather has hurt them more than anybody. They have had alot of their games cancelled. St Olaf,Wartburg,Augsburg
Quote from: ShineTime on April 28, 2011, 04:40:18 PM
This is an embarrassment to D3 baseball. May as well throw Finladia on the list. Where's Oshkosh?
Right where they should be.... What have they done in Region to be ranked? They were 12-6 going into the week, and only one of their wins would be classified as quality (Stevens Point.) The 4-0 record against Wooster doesn't look as good as it did back in March (they are #7 in their Region.)
I would say that Oshkosh would need to take 3 out of 4 from Whitewater over the weekend to even be in consideration for the rankings next week.
Here's the Regional record/SOS comparison sheet for the Midwest:
http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankingsRedirect&sportCode=MBA®ion=35&division=3
Quote from: scrapper on April 28, 2011, 05:12:22 PM
The weather has hurt them more than anybody. They have had alot of their games cancelled. St Olaf,Wartburg,Augsburg
Their original schedule had Olaf, Buena Vista, Augsburg and I believe someone else in the dome.
Then they had a weekend in Rockford canceled where they were going to play Rockford and Augsburg I think.
Then they had Olaf and Carleton scheduled and those also got postponed and it doesn't look like they will be made up.
But this just proves the point, just because you have them on your schedule does you no good, you actually have to play the games. It's unfortunate the way it worked out with the dome and the weather, but the rankings can't be based on what might have been.
Ask and you shall recieve
St. Olaf
Having seen them early in the season, I thought they were the best team in the MIAC. Most quality pitching depth in the conference and at the time the offense was putting up a decent amount of runs. Has not played well at all the second half of the season
Key games: UWW (1-1), UWSP (1-0), Wartburg (4-0)
Maclester
Starting pitching is not dominant, offensively in the top 2-3 in the MIAC (not saying much this season). Believe they will make the MIAC tournament, lack of depth on the mound makes them a tough pick to win it. 2 pitcher team, period. Decent non-conf schedule that includes, Pomona-Pitzer, LAX, Conc Chicago. Was swept by both LAX & PP. Still has a ways to go with games to be played against St. Thomas (2), St. Johns (2), Conc. Moor (2)
Key Games: Conc. Chicago (1-0) St. Olaf (2-0) LAX (0-2) Pomona Pitzer (0-2)
Hamline
This team is a mystery, their pitching is very average to the eyes same as the offense, but they have managed to play well during the MIAC schedule. Swept St. Thomas early in the conference season and believe me, those wins were givin to them with poor pitching and defense by the Tommies. Will definitely be in the MIAC tourny, but look for an early exit. Have two key wins against ranked opponents.
Key Games: Buena Vista (1-2) East Conn. (0-2) Macalester (1-1) St. Thomas (2-0)
Having seen all three of these teams, I can honestly say that I think Olaf is the only team that is a regional caliber team. But with them being 3-7 in there last 10 they'll need to turn it around soon!
The Tommies are the dark horse (can't believe I just said that) and have been playing very well as of late. I see them winning the conference tournament even though I think it's a little to take the regular season crown.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 28, 2011, 04:17:23 PM
they're up
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3
1. UW Whitewater
2. UW Stevens Point
3. Macalester
4. Hamline
5. St. Scholastica
6. St. Olaf
A lot of MIACLUV here, even I don't buy this! ;D
These will change over the next 2 weeks and CSS never gets the respect due to SOS, but them getting probably 8 more in regions wins and then probably an additional 1 or 2 against UWW/St. Johns will increase that record.
Things will change over the next 2 weeks. Macalester still needs to play UST, UST, Bethel. Still surprising to see them at 3 considereing 8 of the 9 conference wins are against 4 of bottom 5 teams. And 3 other in region wins against UWS who is down this year.
Quote from: username on April 28, 2011, 09:27:49 PM
What are everyone's thoughts on Hamline? Are they ready to sneak through the backdoor? I know nobody has picked them recently but they are always there to throw a wrench into the rankings. Is it there time to break through? They have a lot of talented players. I know Whitewater and Stevens Point, along with St. Thomas and a few others have domintated the region, but what if Hamline was for real this season? Do you think that Verdugo could put that squad into a position to run with this? I think CSS is on their way to dominance, but if they met up with Hamline with their aces on the mound I wouldn't be surprised if Hamline took them down. What do you guys think?
Nope. Hamline is a product of being an above average team in a conference that is really, really, down this year. There is still a long way to go, but I don't see Hamline playing past the MIAC tourney unless they win it.
It looks like the committee considered results through Tuesday.
One missing result this early in the SOS calculations is important. It is anytime, but especially so when the sample is smaller.
I'm pretty sure the NCAA's regional record for Benedictine is incorrect. I think it should be 17-9 instead of 14-9. That's a big difference, and it makes me want to go through all of the teams over the next couple of days. I could be wrong on Benedictine, but that would mean that the sites of BU, D3baseball.com and the Northern AC are wrong.
EDIT: It appears that some teams had games considered from this week while others did not. The order of teams does not much matter, but in the era of "Once ranked, always ranked," varying data sets among teams could prove important.
I think Coach Verdugo is so high on his team and the program he's building that he applied and interviewed for the job at St. Thomas :D
So username lets do this post by post:
Quote from: username on April 28, 2011, 08:22:50 PM
I've been following Hamline for the past 5 years or so and they don't seem to struggle against top regional opponents (8-5 vs. UST over the past 13 games). Are they a regional player now? It seems like their players are always ready to take on the best in the region. Are they ready for the next step. I know UST has had a stranglehold on the conference and at times the region, but does the departure of Dennis Denning factor to in there?
True, Hamline has been a thorn in the Tommies side for the past few years during the regular season. Do they get it done
when the make the MIAC tourney and face teams #1 and #2? No they have not, don't see it changing this season. Coach Denning leaving is a big loss for the Tommies without a question, but the talent is still higher and deeper at UST, obviously Coach Verdugo thought so to.
Quote from: username on April 28, 2011, 09:27:49 PM
What are everyone's thoughts on Hamline? Are they ready to sneak through the backdoor? I know nobody has picked them recently but they are always there to throw a wrench into the rankings. Is it there time to break through? They have a lot of talented players. I know Whitewater and Stevens Point, along with St. Thomas and a few others have domintated the region, but what if Hamline was for real this season? Do you think that Verdugo could put that squad into a position to run with this? I think CSS is on their way to dominance, but if they met up with Hamline with their aces on the mound I wouldn't be surprised if Hamline took them down. What do you guys think?
My thoughts are pretty much the same as Big Poppa's above average in a down year for the MIAC. Not sure they've been ranked before to throw a wrench in, but whatever. No I don't think they will run this by any means although they do have the easiest path of any of the MIAC contenders the rest of the way. WW & Point are the class of this region, CSS is far from dominant, very good but not quite with those two yet. Having seen your top 3 (and not really being able to say there was a true #1 in the group, all good, none dominant) and seeing the Lewis kid from CSS twice, I can say in a one game matchup, Lewis holds a decided edge, and I don't think it's close.
Quote from: username on April 28, 2011, 10:34:30 PM
I saw that Hamline is 8-5 against St. Thomas in the past 13 games. I've also looked at the MIAC records and it looks like St. Thomas is the class of the MIAC. Why wouldn't we believe that a team with a winning record over the class of the MIAC for the past few years to be a real contendor? I looked up Verdugo too and it looks like he has had a lot of success both as a player and a coach, should we believe that he might have that program on the rise? Any thoughts?
We covered why the record vs St. Thomas really carries little weight come playoff time. You didn't look that hard in your research on the coach you hold in high regard, and by research you mean his bio, you're right sounds like he was quite a star. Yes he went to ASU, he was 6-3 lifetime there with a 6.51 ERA, but it was ASU so I give him that. He is very proud that he backed up Jake Plummer on their football team though. Sorry, had to say it, seen him speak a few times and he happens to sprinkle that in every time. As for the program on the rise, his reasons for job hunting WITHIN the conference DURING their fall season, with a RIVAL, leads me to ask the question. What is his commitment to the program? Does he want to build something or is the grass greener (turf in this case) down the road here.
Quote from: username on April 28, 2011, 10:42:25 PM
I also think that by looking at things that UW Whitewater and UW Stevens Point are the front runners. Do you all think that Ben Hughes from St. Olaf is a draft possibility? I think he for sure has the stuff to be a top 10 round pick.
Yes I do believe Hughes will be taken in the draft. Top 10 rounds, I doubt it. He has a lot of tools and the size but he is only a plus pitcher with his fastball, his other pitches are average. I think he's better served staying in school and pitching in the Northwoods league again to work on his other pitches.
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We covered why the record vs St. Thomas really carries little weight come playoff time. You didn't look that hard in your research on the coach you hold in high regard, and by research you mean his bio, you're right sounds like he was quite a star. Yes he went to ASU, he was 6-3 lifetime there with a 6.51 ERA, but it was ASU so I give him that. He is very proud that he backed up Jake Plummer on their football team though. Sorry, had to say it, seen him speak a few times and he happens to sprinkle that in every time.
That is maybe the funniest thing I've ever read on the boards, having seen him speak myself. I heard the Plummer reference. Between him talking about, Plummer, Pat Murphy and his wife's hotness (his words, not mine, never seen her) there was very little substance in his clinic talk.
Yesterday St. Johns and Hameline split. MAC swept Bethel.
After studying the MIAC more, I think I like St. Olaf and St. Thomas more than Hameline or MAC. None of these 4 teams have a very potent offense, but the Tommies don't beat themselves very often and St. Olaf's pitching is too good. I think it is in all these teams best interest to keep Olaf out of the MIAC tourney, because if they do make it in, I like their chances. I feel pretty comfortable that either the Oles or Tommies will win that tournament.
Olaf can still get in, but being 3 games back with 6 to play doesnt give them great odds. In their favor-they play St. Thomas tomorrow and a sweep there only puts them a game out. St. Johns also has a tough end to the season playing MAC and Concordia so a few losses there would make things interesting. Bottom line is Olaf needs to win out to give themselves a realistic shot- I can't see the teams ahead of them losing 4 or 5 of their last 6. If they don't make the MIAC tournament there is precedent for making the region as I believe Conc. Chicago did that last year, but they would have to sweep BLC on tuesday in Mankato in a non-conference DH for quality in region wins
Quote from: MNbaseball on April 29, 2011, 11:57:51 AM
Olaf can still get in, but being 3 games back with 6 to play doesnt give them great odds. In their favor-they play St. Thomas tomorrow and a sweep there only puts them a game out. St. Johns also has a tough end to the season playing MAC and Concordia so a few losses there would make things interesting. Bottom line is Olaf needs to win out to give themselves a realistic shot- I can't see the teams ahead of them losing 4 or 5 of their last 6. If they don't make the MIAC tournament there is precedent for making the region as I believe Conc. Chicago did that last year, but they would have to sweep BLC on tuesday in Mankato in a non-conference DH for quality in region wins
CUC did NOT make the regional last year. It was thought they were in consideration with a 31-9 record, even though they missed the NAC Tournament, but it didn't happen.
Quote from: MNbaseball on April 29, 2011, 11:57:51 AM
Olaf can still get in, but being 3 games back with 6 to play doesnt give them great odds. In their favor-they play St. Thomas tomorrow and a sweep there only puts them a game out. St. Johns also has a tough end to the season playing MAC and Concordia so a few losses there would make things interesting. Bottom line is Olaf needs to win out to give themselves a realistic shot- I can't see the teams ahead of them losing 4 or 5 of their last 6. If they don't make the MIAC tournament there is precedent for making the region as I believe Conc. Chicago did that last year, but they would have to sweep BLC on tuesday in Mankato in a non-conference DH for quality in region wins
Olaf is already a bubble team in the rankings, I think missing the tournament would be the end of the road for them.
It will be interesting to see how things shake out as they play a DH today (rescheduled a few times this week) and another DH tomorrow against the Tommies.
I don't think Olaf can afford to gamble on saving pitching for BLC next Tuesday, so it will be a good chance for Bethany to pick up some quality in region wins as they won't have to throw anyone over the weekend to beat Crown.
I just noticed Bethany is playing Gustavus on Sunday as well in a DH. So they have 2 today, one Saturday, 2 Sunday, 2 Tuesday. That will stretch their staff and should be a good test for them.
I have to imagine that they were not very far from the top 6 in the regional rankings. A good performance will probably have them in.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: MNbaseball on April 29, 2011, 11:57:51 AM
Olaf can still get in, but being 3 games back with 6 to play doesnt give them great odds. In their favor-they play St. Thomas tomorrow and a sweep there only puts them a game out. St. Johns also has a tough end to the season playing MAC and Concordia so a few losses there would make things interesting. Bottom line is Olaf needs to win out to give themselves a realistic shot- I can't see the teams ahead of them losing 4 or 5 of their last 6. If they don't make the MIAC tournament there is precedent for making the region as I believe Conc. Chicago did that last year, but they would have to sweep BLC on tuesday in Mankato in a non-conference DH for quality in region wins
Olaf is already a bubble team in the rankings, I think missing the tournament would be the end of the road for them.
It will be interesting to see how things shake out as they play a DH today (rescheduled a few times this week) and another DH tomorrow against the Tommies.
I don't think Olaf can afford to gamble on saving pitching for BLC next Tuesday, so it will be a good chance for Bethany to pick up some quality in region wins as they won't have to throw anyone over the weekend to beat Crown.
True, can throw the bottom of their staff against Crown but still have Gustavus on Sunday so 4 games against them and the Oles in 3 days. If they can pull of 3 of 4 and the 3 wins against Crown they could bump up in the top 6, but not sure if they have the depth to take 3 of 4
Bethany should have the depth in their staff. It will come down to how well there defense plays. That has been their downfall this year.
Quote from: scrapper on April 29, 2011, 04:21:34 PM
Bethany should have the depth in their staff. It will come down to how well there defense plays. That has been their downfall this year.
I personally like seeing teams with 7-8 guys with innings.
Bethany has 5 guys for 4 games and thats if they dont really throw any vs crown. Hallahan looking shaky in 2 of his last 3 outings and Hendley only throwing 2 innings in the last 17 days.
That should be real positive for the Bethany SOS, look for them to maybe get into those ranking next weekend if they can pull a split. I believe they will see the back end of that Olaf staff, so a split is very possible
Hendley has had a hamstring issue. Looks OK now. Kohls and him will probably throw today. Both should be ready if needed Tuesday against St Olaf. Probably won"t waste one of their top 5 tomorrow against Crown. We shall see.
Bethany will probably see whoever St Olaf pitches today. Will give them 3 days rest for Tuesdays game.
Quote from: scrapper on April 29, 2011, 05:12:44 PM
Bethany will probably see whoever St Olaf pitches today. Will give them 3 days rest for Tuesdays game.
I doubt it, they play Lacrosse the day after Bethany, so I'm guessing they will give guys a full 4 days at least. Olaf is deep enough to have some pretty good arms starting all these games, I think they will make sure they have their top arms rested and ready for the conference games they have left.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2011, 05:19:06 PM
Quote from: scrapper on April 29, 2011, 05:12:44 PM
Bethany will probably see whoever St Olaf pitches today. Will give them 3 days rest for Tuesdays game.
I doubt it, they play Lacrosse the day after Bethany, so I'm guessing they will give guys a full 4 days at least. Olaf is deep enough to have some pretty good arms starting all these games, I think they will make sure they have their top arms rested and ready for the conference games they have left.
Agreed
Didn't realize they played LaCrosse Wenesday so I have to agree with you on the pitching rotation.
You guys are a ridiculous in your thoughs on coach Verdugo. First off you should probably leave his family out of posts on this board, that's just not a good thing to get into. Secondly, just take a look at HU before his arrival and tell me how much success they've had. Few coaches have done what he has in the amount of time he has been a school.
I've also heard him speak at clinics, and I've found what he has to say to be very interesting. He seems like he has a great mind for managing a team, his players always respond and play hard for him.
I'm also a fan of coach Mac at St. Olaf, he's pretty good. Again I think UST is really going to miss coach Denning. It can't be that hard to write out a lineup card with the amount of talent that team has, but coach Denning was able to control those egos and get those kids to play prideful baseball. I've seen UST this year a few times and I can tell you they are a different team this year resembling just a little of the leadership they had with coach Denning. It goes without saying that Bucky is and has been a great coach too. The MIAC is blessed with some pretty good coaches.
username, why have you been going back and deleting your posts? What's up with that?
CSS's game against St. Johns has been cancelled tomorrow due St. Johns DH with doubleheader being pushed back from today to tomorrow. Unfortunate for CSS that this keeps happening, may cause them to lose out on a 1-2 seed.
CSS will get their game in against Morris today.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 30, 2011, 03:07:28 PM
CSS's game against St. Johns has been cancelled tomorrow due St. Johns DH with doubleheader being pushed back from today to tomorrow. Unfortunate for CSS that this keeps happening, may cause them to lose out on a 1-2 seed.
CSS will get their game in against Morris today.
CSS wins 16-1 in 7 innings over Morris, but in bigger news looks like CSS will make the short jog over from Morris to Mankato to play Bethany Lutheran tomorrow.
This was able to happen because St. Johns and Gustavus had to postpone their DH until tomorrow so left CSS and BLC looking for a game
St Thomas swept St Olaf big today. 1st game 11-1 and 9-2. St Scholastica pounds Bethany 18-6. Please someone explain to me how St Olaf will still stay ranked. And with a straight face.
Quote from: scrapper on May 01, 2011, 08:55:57 PM
St Thomas swept St Olaf big today. 1st game 11-1 and 9-2. St Scholastica pounds Bethany 18-6. Please someone explain to me how St Olaf will still stay ranked. And with a straight face.
Thanks for the update. We would appreciate your updating the Regional Rankings and giving us your opinion of what the Regional Rankings will look like next Thursday.
Remember that "once ranked, always ranked" when considering the criteria for Regional Rankings,
Thanks. Your opinion will help us "non-Midwest Region" fans understand what is happening in the Region.
QuoteRegional Rankings from 4/28/2011
Midwest Region
1 UW-Whitewater 20-5 21-5
2 UW-Stevens Point 18-6 19-8
3 Macalester 15-6 17-9
4 Hamline 15-6 16-10
5 St. Scholastica 16-2 23-4
6 St. Olaf 17-8 19-10
:)
Would have to say that the top 4 would be a slam dunk. Stevens pt or WW 1 and 2,St Scholastica 3 and Macalester 4. This is where it gets sticky, would have to keep Hamline in at 5. Probably St Thomas at 6 with Oshkosh and Bethany looking in. Don't really know if you were really asking for some ones opinion or were being sarcastic. Oh well, for what its worth, just someones opinion.
Quote from: scrapper on May 01, 2011, 09:25:40 PM
Would have to say that the top 4 would be a slam dunk. Stevens pt or WW 1 and 2,St Scholastica 3 and Macalester 4. This is where it gets sticky, would have to keep Hamline in at 5. Probably St Thomas at 6 with Oshkosh and Bethany looking in. Don't really know if you were really asking for some ones opinion or were being sarcastic. Oh well, for what its worth, just someones opinion.
Yes, I was serious. Thanks for the response.
That means that we might have 1 Pool C coming from the WIAC and one from the MIAC.
Of course any Pool C team probably gets 2 more losses along the way.
miac luv it is quite funny for you to try and make fun of someone's career when they were drafted in the 6th round as a Junior and the 12th as a senior as well as reaching triple a in 2 years and being in big league spring training in that second year. I do suppose your town ball career is well deserving of making fun of others though. As far as what he has accomplished, the pipers were winning 10 games a year before he got there so I would say what he has done so far is pretty good.
Not the same MIAC LUV that still says that ST Olaf could still get in the regionals ?
Quote from: cbch21 on May 02, 2011, 12:25:39 PM
miac luv it is quite funny for you to try and make fun of someone's career when they were drafted in the 6th round as a Junior and the 12th as a senior as well as reaching triple a in 2 years and being in big league spring training in that second year. I do suppose your town ball career is well deserving of making fun of others though. As far as what he has accomplished, the pipers were winning 10 games a year before he got there so I would say what he has done so far is pretty good.
Always nice to see new posters on the boards. Welcome. Not making fun of Coach Verdugo's career at all. He played at ASU, which I gave him credit for if I remember correctly, and was drafted, thought I mentioned that as well. I did provide a couple stats that are a matter of public record on the ASU web site. In no way was I mocking his career in the least. I was responding to another Hamline supporters gushing about his career. We do have something in common though, we both played in the exact amount of Major league games. My problem with Coach Verdugo is his wanting to come down the road to greener pastures. It is shocking that none of you that are coming to his defense have yet to comment your thoughts on this. He has done a very good job in turning Hamline into what it is now. Without a doubt I applaud him having this team in a position to possible make an NCAA tournament. It's a credit to him and his staff. That being said he's better off in red & white creating his own program than coming into ours. Also my town team is not too shabby.
Quote from: scrapper on May 02, 2011, 01:47:40 PM
Not the same MIAC LUV that still says that ST Olaf could still get in the regionals ?
Based on the criteria that the NCAA has set, they do have a shot. SOS is in the top 2 or 3 in the region and in region winning percentage is not as low as you may think. Playing the teams they have left on the schedule (notably BLC & LAX) that SOS just gets better. Do I agree they should be in consideration. NO I DO NOT! But the criteria is what it is, and the comittee proved it with the rankings last week.
MIACLUV, your opinion on St. Olaf is correct on them having an outside shot in my mind with important in region games coming up, but hopefully BLC can sweep them at home to end their chances and put BLC in a better position themselves. Both teams are coming off very rough losses so we'll see what each team is made out of tomorrow.
As for your Verdugo bashing, what coach wouldn't want to have all the assets St. Thomas has with their facilities and funding?! Despite being fairly close down the road, Hamline is in a much rougher neighborhood to live. They don't have their own field for practice and games and are at the mercy of the city and the Saints when they are able to use Midway, and their baseball locker room is in a different building than their field house so players have to go outside in the winter after changing. On top of that, St. Thomas has more majors to choose from to be able to recruit a wider variety of kids. Verdugo is a great coach and an even better person if you get to know him, and he has done a great job turning that program around.
Just like MN Baseball said why would he not want to check out a job with the amount of resources that the tommies have. Think of what he could do with those resources with what he has done with the resources he has. Just so you know from a very credible source he has turned down two jobs that he was approached about at much higher levels then the tommies including a pro job to stay at hamline and in minnesota because it is best for his family situation which you also don't know anything about.
CSS with the definitte advantage in Game #1 today, as they send their #1 to the mound in Matt Lewis, while Whitewater counters with their #6 Jack Larsen. Just a prime example of the difference in strength between the respective conferences.
Whitewater goes to the bullpen early and brings on their #4 Kyle Lee as CSS was threatening in the 4th inning. He gets a line out to RF to get out of a jam.
Whitewater leads 3-1 as the game heads to the bottom of the 6th inning. Just one more chance for CSS to come back.
Game #1 Final
Whitewater 3
CSS 1
Lewis goes the distance giving up 3 runs (all earned) on 5 hits, while walking two, and striking out just one in 6 innings of work.
Lee comes on in relief for the victory going 3.1 ininngs, giving up just one hit, while waling one and striking out two.
Each team with five hits in the game.
Game #2 to start at approximately 2:40.
Game #2 Final
CSS 2
Whitewater 1
CSS scores two runs in the 6th inning on four hits, including one off of Matthew Roberts arm which knocked him out of the game to take a 2-1 lead, and held on for the victory. Whitewater had runners on 1st and 3rd with one out in the 7th, but Jensen was able to get a strike out and a ground out to squash the Warhawks rally.
Jensen goes the distance, giving up one run (earned) on seven hits, while walking one and striking out two.
All in all, CSS has to be happy with the trip. They were able to improve their SOS, AND pick up a victory on top of it. Should definitely help them in next weeks regionals as long as they don't slip up between now and then.
Quote from: cubs on May 03, 2011, 03:20:05 PM
Game #1 Final
Whitewater 3
CSS 1
Lewis goes the distance giving up 3 runs (all earned) on 5 hits, while walking two, and striking out just one in 6 innings of work.
Lee comes on in relief for the victory going 3.1 ininngs, giving up just one hit, while waling one and striking out two.
Each team with five hits in the game.
Game #2 to start at approximately 2:40.
CSS squandered a big opportunity, scoring no runs with 1st & 3rd with no out and their 2,3,& 4 hitters up
Overall, CSS probably happy with a split since it should help their region ranking but I would think CSS walks away slightly disappointed since CSS had their top pitcher going and another of their top 5 pitchers and UWW didnt throw their top 3.
BLC sweeps St. Olaf 6-2, 6-4. Hallahan picks up the win in game one. Siefken settles down after giving up 3 runs in the 1st to go the distance and pick up the win in game two.
That should just about be the final nail in the coffin for St. Olaf.....
Point had a dominate performance today against St. Norbert winning 21-7. Sean Gerber drove in 8 runs and Point used a variety of pitchers.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 03, 2011, 09:52:05 PM
Point had a dominate performance today against St. Norbert winning 21-7. Sean Gerber drove in 8 runs and Point used a variety of pitchers.
Just about everyone has had dominate performances against SNC this season.... Heck, Greenville started 0-10, and they were able to beat SNC down in Florida in Game #11.
I realize they are down this year. Too bad Yost couldn't have played for a better program he's a really good player.
Anyone have any ideas on the Regional Rankings this week?
Will St. Thomas creep back into the picture?
Oshkosh? (big SoS help last week)
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 05, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
Anyone have any ideas on the Regional Rankings this week?
Will St. Thomas creep back into the picture?
Oshkosh? (big SoS help last week)
While the SOS should improve dramatically with four against Midwest #1 Whitewater and two against Midwest #2 Stevens Point, is a 2-4 record in those six games enough to crack the rankings? I would be curious to see where they were last week in the pecking order. My guess would be somewhere aound #9/10. I'm just not sure that they did enough to jump 3-4 spots.
I'm not much of a math guy, but it does appear that Oshkosh has moved up a couple of spots in the rankings, but not enough to crack the Top 6...
1 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 24-6 25-8 (+1)
2 Wisconsin-Whitewater 24-7 25-7 (-1)
3 St. Scholastica 20-2 27-4 (+2)
4 Macalester 19-6 21-9 (-1)
5 Hamline 19-7 20-11 (-1)
6 Aurora 21-9 24-10 (?)
St. Olaf out and Aurora in..... Number in parentheses is the change from Regional Ranking #1.
Quote from: cubs on May 05, 2011, 04:16:50 PM
I'm not much of a math guy, but it does appear that Oshkosh has moved up a couple of spots in the rankings, but not enough to crack the Top 6...
1 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 24-6 25-8 (+1)
2 Wisconsin-Whitewater 24-7 25-7 (-1)
3 St. Scholastica 20-2 27-4 (+2)
4 Macalester 19-6 21-9 (-1)
5 Hamline 19-7 20-11 (-1)
6 Aurora 21-9 24-10 (?)
St. Olaf out and Aurora in..... Number in parentheses is the change from Regional Ranking #1.
Obviously CSS's nice week including 2-1 against BLC and UWW helped them. Oshkosh's SOS was helped out but 2-4 didnt do enough, think if they went 3-3 or more likely 4-2 they would be around #6
I don't think CSS's split with Whitewater would have factored into this week's rankings as they played on Tueday and I was under the impression that only games up to Sunday are taken into consideration.
Also, I'm puzzled how Aurora can possibly be ranked ahead of Bethany Lutheran. The Vikings have a better SOS, are very close in in region winning %, and they beat Aurora twice! Uhh. What?
Quote from: biggio34 on May 05, 2011, 09:36:17 PM
I don't think CSS's split with Whitewater would have factored into this week's rankings as they played on Tueday and I was under the impression that only games up to Sunday are taken into consideration.
You are right about that, my mistake
BLC actually only beat Aurora once, 6-1 in Florida, but they did so with Aurora's ace on the mound
Quote from: biggio34 on May 05, 2011, 09:36:17 PM
I don't think CSS's split with Whitewater would have factored into this week's rankings as they played on Tueday and I was under the impression that only games up to Sunday are taken into consideration.
Also, I'm puzzled how Aurora can possibly be ranked ahead of Bethany Lutheran. The Vikings have a better SOS, are very close in in region winning %, and they beat Aurora twice! Uhh. What?
Also surprised to see Aurora sixth. I thought St. Thomas would be sixth, with ten results against RR teams and among the national leaders in SOS. I guess the committee is saying win more than three of those 10 games?
On the committee's side of the argument, Superior is 4-11 against RR teams. A RR team should probably do better than 3-7. But the criterion is results against RR teams, not winning percentage against RR teams. Aurora's 8-7 win over Coe on March 6 must carry a lot of weight because AU is only 2-1 against RR teams. Its other win was over Augustana. Added to the case against Aurora are losses to Benedictine and Wheaton this week. Those losses appear to be counted in this week's report.
UST's RR wins are over St. Olaf twice and Whitewater. Can't necessarily hold it against UST that SOC has nose-dived. Once ranked, always ranked should mean something.
The UST sweep over Mac should mix up things next week. UST last lost to a non-regionally ranked team on April 6 (St. John's). The three UST losses since then were to CSS and Hamline.
I don't understand this one.
Here are my regional rankings.
1. Stevens Point 2. Whitewater 3. St. Scholastica 4. St. Thomas 5. Oshkosh 6. Bethany Lutheran
Any predictions on what round Cody Koback will be selected in MLB draft? Also, what would Point's record be right now if Koback would've stayed at MATC?
I've gone and looked at the numbers and two teams are getting completely overlooked for some reason. The Tommies and Bethany Lutheran. Both teams numbers are higher than Aurora, plus Bethany has a head to head win over them. I get that Bethany's SOS gets hammered in UMAC play, but looking at their schedule, it is pretty good. My argument for the Tommies is the numbers support it. SOS is one of the highest in the country if not the highest and have made their way to the top of the MIAC. Obviously I think UST holds the the edge over BLC since the head to head is 2-0 in favor of the Tommies, but BOTH deserve to be in there over Aurora and the numbers say even Hamline.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 06, 2011, 12:30:58 PM
I've gone and looked at the numbers and two teams are getting completely overlooked for some reason. The Tommies and Bethany Lutheran. Both teams numbers are higher than Aurora, plus Bethany has a head to head win over them. I get that Bethany's SOS gets hammered in UMAC play, but looking at their schedule, it is pretty good. My argument for the Tommies is the numbers support it. SOS is one of the highest in the country if not the highest and have made their way to the top of the MIAC. Obviously I think UST holds the the edge over BLC since the head to head is 2-0 in favor of the Tommies, but BOTH deserve to be in there over Aurora and the numbers say even Hamline.
Agree... I have said for two weeks now that the Tommies should be back in the mix.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 06, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 06, 2011, 12:30:58 PM
I've gone and looked at the numbers and two teams are getting completely overlooked for some reason. The Tommies and Bethany Lutheran. Both teams numbers are higher than Aurora, plus Bethany has a head to head win over them. I get that Bethany's SOS gets hammered in UMAC play, but looking at their schedule, it is pretty good. My argument for the Tommies is the numbers support it. SOS is one of the highest in the country if not the highest and have made their way to the top of the MIAC. Obviously I think UST holds the the edge over BLC since the head to head is 2-0 in favor of the Tommies, but BOTH deserve to be in there over Aurora and the numbers say even Hamline.
Agree... I have said for two weeks now that the Tommies should be back in the mix.
The tommies will be just fine with their 2 wins this week against Macalester, plus if they just take care of business in the tourney they wont have to worry. Up until their 2 wins agains MAC they didnt deserve to be ranked despite their SOS since they were 1-7 against the 1,2,3,5 ranked teams (didnt count Olaf since they arent ranked now). Just because you played a tough schedule doesnt mean anything unless you deliver. (Look at D1 basketball G'Town was #1, Tennessee was #2 and they both lost in the first round)
If BLC could of picked up another win against CSS and UST they probably would of snuck in their at 6, but when you look and see they went 1-5, not as impressive. I think they will have to win the UMAC to get in
Any predictions on the conference tourney winners? Here are my thoughts...
WIAC: I think the #1 seed has such an advantage I don't see how Point doesn't win the tournament. That and I think they are just playing great right now and I think they would win anyways.
UMAC: CSS is the deepest team offensively and on the moundin the UMAC so I pick them to win. They have won this thing so many times in a row though, you just wonder what year they will finally be knocked off. All 4 teams in the tournament are good enough to win a game or two, but I think Bethany is the only team with a real shot of winning it all if it isn't CSS.
MIAC: St Thomas. This team has taken its lumps and gotten better, they are hot, and these other teams have a mental barrier in in beating them. Still shocked that Olaf didn't make this tournament.
NATHC: I have to pick Aurora because they are regionally ranked right?
WIAC-Point, like Biggio said they have a huge advantage
MIAC-Tommies, they are the Tommies
UMAC-CSS, BLC has to be careful not to lose the first game
NATHCON-Aurora
Agree on all but NathCon... I like COncordia there.
I would hope that SSC would also not overlook Northwestern. They just had a 2-1 game last week.
Quote from: scrapper on May 09, 2011, 09:05:53 PM
I would hope that SSC would also not overlook Northwestern. They just had a 2-1 game last week.
Savannah State College?? ;)
It's going to be a very interesting MIAC tourney. Augsburg is the host this season, and will be played on the turf field at Minnetonka eliminating a lot of weather concerns. The forecast through out the twin cities area for the entire week includes good chances for rain. Also coming into play is that the field is short to all fields. Routine fly balls turn into home runs in a hurry. New bats or not, look for the scores to be high numbers. Tough call for MAC tomorrow, throw the top guys and go for the sweep and a chance at a share of the MIAC regular season or throw off and have everyone fresh for the tournament. Sweep equals #2 seed and split means #3.
MIAC
St. Thomas over MAC
Too much pitching from UST, MAC's offense will get them to the finals in that park, but I think the UST offense has improved greatly with Dorgan being in there every day and the pitching depth is really good.
http://www.miac-online.org/sports/2010/12/8/BSB_1208102906.aspx?path=baseball
UMAC
St. Scholastica over Bethany Lutheran
Both squads have tough opening round pitching questions. CSS offense is by far the better of the two having seen them both so I give them the edge there. Lewis is one on the top 3 pitchers in the region, so if they get through game 1 they should be in good shape.
http://umacathletics.com/sports/2011/5/9/BSB_0509115102.aspx?path=baseball
WIAC
Stevens Point over Whitewater
Too much advantage for the #1 seed in the tournament. Also Point has the better offense and more pitching, which they get to conserve by not having to play the extra game.
http://www.wiacsports.com/sports/2011/4/6/BB_0406111605.aspx?path=baseball
NAC
Aurora over Conc Chicago
Conc has the offensive advantage, Aurora the pitching. I think both can throw off game 1 and set up the day one matchup of both teams #1.
http://northernac.org/sports/baseball/tournament/
Concordia knocked off Ill Wesleyan last night 3-1. That is a huge win for CUC's Pool C hopes and really helps their chances of being in the regional rankings this week.
Heres how I see this weeks rankings shaping up
1) UWSP
2) UWW
3) CSS
4) UST
5) MAC
6) Conc. Chi
Aurora was a shaky #6 to begin with and the loss to Conc Wis did nothing to help that. I think the win over Ill. Wes gets Conc Chi in and keeps Bethany on the edge for another week.
Of the 13 WIAC conference tournaments played the #1 seed has won 5 times, the #2 seed 5 times, the #3 seed once and the #4 seed twice. Of course there are only three teams in this year's tournament and the #2 seed to win the most often has been Stevens Point so maybe it doesn't really matter what seed they are.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 11, 2011, 09:44:15 AM
Of the 13 WIAC conference tournaments played the #1 seed has won 5 times, the #2 seed 5 times, the #3 seed once and the #4 seed twice. Of course there are only three teams in this year's tournament and the #2 seed to win the most often has been Stevens Point so maybe it doesn't really matter what seed they are.
Is this only the second year of the three-team format?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2011, 10:03:14 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 11, 2011, 09:44:15 AM
Of the 13 WIAC conference tournaments played the #1 seed has won 5 times, the #2 seed 5 times, the #3 seed once and the #4 seed twice. Of course there are only three teams in this year's tournament and the #2 seed to win the most often has been Stevens Point so maybe it doesn't really matter what seed they are.
Is this only the second year of the three-team format?
Yes. In 2009, they used a four-team tournament, but the #3 and #4 seeds essentially started in the loser's bracket. They only had to lose once to be eliminated. Prior to that it was a standard four-team double emlimination.
I guess I am not sure why the WIAC is changing formats from the majority of the nation. Is it an attempt to make the regular season title mean that much more?
Personally I absolute hate the current format! You either need to keep it the same as it used to be with a 4 team double elimination, or include all teams and really make it interesting. I have always been a fan of putting all the teams in and having the tournament shake out as it will. There's no need in my mind for the WIAC to try and ensure the #1 team from the regular season also wins the tournament, which is clearly what they're doing, because I can't imagine that in too many instances the 1 seed from the regular season not getting an at large if they were to falter in the tournament. I mean you can't possibly set up a more lopsided tournament than what they have in place right now, total joke!
The coaches voted to move the tournament from Wisconsin Rapids to on campus facilities. Given the choice of a four team tournament or a three team one they voted for the three team format for a couple of reasons. With a four team format you'll either have to play a night game, have multiple playing diamonds or a three day tournament. WHITEWATER is the only program with lights. Obviously we aren't guaranteed to host every year so that works against a four team format. No program has two on campus facilities on which a game can be played. The last factor is economic. A three day tournament, four team, tournament involves extra expense. Given the current economic situation the league has been implementing cost cutting measures in nearly every sport. Baseball is no exception.
I don't really like the format either but I prefer it to playing off campus. The program that wins the regular conference title deserves to host.
... but it REALLY puts a premium on winning the WIAC regular season. (Though I hate the format) It sucks for mid-level teams that almost never have a chance to make it there with the Big Three always at the top.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 11, 2011, 10:57:35 AM
The coaches voted to move the tournament from Wisconsin Rapids to on campus facilities. Given the choice of a four team tournament or a three team one they voted for the three team format for a couple of reasons. With a four team format you'll either have to play a night game, have multiple playing diamonds or a three day tournament. WHITEWATER is the only program with lights. Obviously we aren't guaranteed to host every year so that works against a four team format. No program has two on campus facilities on which a game can be played. The last factor is economic. A three day tournament, four team, tournament involves extra expense. Given the current economic situation the league has been implementing cost cutting measures in nearly every sport. Baseball is no exception.
Well said BW!!! +K You pretty much touched on every point I was going to make. One thing I would like to add however, is that it really chaps my arse that if you look at the WIAC Softball Tournament this season, they added a third day to the tournament, after being a two-day tournament last year. Why can't baseball do the same if it's all about equality? This way the Top 4 teams could get in and you could do a true double elimination tournament and be done in the three days just like softball.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2011, 11:13:55 AM
... but it REALLY puts a premium on winning the WIAC regular season. (Though I hate the format) It sucks for mid-level teams that almost never have a chance to make it there with the Big Three always at the top.
In the 13 tournaments the #3 seed has been someone other than
WHITEWATER, Oshkosh or Stevens Point five times. That's 38% of the time. LaCrosse was the #3 seed in 1999, 2001, 2002 and 2006. Platteville was the #3 seed in 2010. This year the #3 seed wasn't clinched until the last weekend of the season.
I was wondering the same thing, cubs.
... BUT, if a team does not have a chance at a Pool C(in the four-team format), might they have been content to rest arms and sit in the #4 slot in hopes of doing some damage in the WIAC tourney? Just a thought.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 11, 2011, 10:57:35 AM
The coaches voted to move the tournament from Wisconsin Rapids to on campus facilities. Given the choice of a four team tournament or a three team one they voted for the three team format for a couple of reasons. With a four team format you'll either have to play a night game, have multiple playing diamonds or a three day tournament. WHITEWATER is the only program with lights. Obviously we aren't guaranteed to host every year so that works against a four team format. No program has two on campus facilities on which a game can be played. The last factor is economic. A three day tournament, four team, tournament involves extra expense. Given the current economic situation the league has been implementing cost cutting measures in nearly every sport. Baseball is no exception.
I don't really like the format either but I prefer it to playing off campus. The program that wins the regular conference title deserves to host.
A couple quick comments...first of all, economically for the teams it may cost more to be put up an extra night, however the benefits of having all the family and friends come to town for an extra day in my opinion outweigh the extra nights expenses for hotel rooms. It's about more than just saving a dime here and there, and in this case the overall picture is a positive economic outcome for the whole community by expanding the tournament, not to mention a better experience for the players (and more players since more teams would be in).
As for the lights and fields...no place has two fields on campus, and only WW has lights ON CAMPUS, but Point and Oshkosh could easily put together the necessary resources (multiple fields) and at least one with lights. Point could use rapids, or even stay in town and use bukholt park which isn't all that bad plus university field. Oshkosh has their field and the field that has hosted regionals, WW might be harder pressed to find a decent second field, but what I'm trying to get at is that these "reasons" are BS excuses in my opinion. There's come a time when saving an extra $1,200 at the cost of maintaining the integrity of the tournament can not be allowed.
The biggest losers are the middle of the pack programs that already struggle to pull recruits from the big three. If they at least got to play in the tournament every year maybe they could win a game or two once or twice and then have something to hang their hat on for recruiting purposes. Who would go to stout or platteville when they might make the tournament once if you're lucky during your career, when you can just go to the other three and pretty much guarantee that you'll make it every year? Give these schools a chance to prove themselves come crunch time and allow for the playing fields to even out a bit. As long as this format remains in place, there will be no parity outside of the top 3 in this league, it's simply not possible.
I have a hard time believing that the coaches themselves were in favor of this format, they were maybe told to be in favor of it...nobody I know is a big fan of it, and if I"m a coach there's no way I vote in favor of it!
Quote from: Dagger on May 11, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
I have a hard time believing that the coaches themselves were in favor of this format, they were maybe told to be in favor of it...nobody I know is a big fan of it, and if I"m a coach there's no way I vote in favor of it!
What if you are a coach of one of the three that make it... then do you vote in favor of it?
Quote from: Dagger on May 11, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
A couple quick comments...first of all, economically for the teams it may cost more to be put up an extra night, however the benefits of having all the family and friends come to town for an extra day in my opinion outweigh the extra nights expenses for hotel rooms. It's about more than just saving a dime here and there, and in this case the overall picture is a positive economic outcome for the whole community by expanding the tournament, not to mention a better experience for the players (and more players since more teams would be in).
None of that money goes to the league. They're the ones bearing the extra expense and getting nothing in return. If their goal was to provide an economic boost to the community I could see your point. But their goal is to determine a post season participant and try to generate some revenue for themselves.
As for the lights and fields...no place has two fields on campus, and only WW has lights ON CAMPUS, but Point and Oshkosh could easily put together the necessary resources (multiple fields) and at least one with lights. Point could use rapids, or even stay in town and use bukholt park which isn't all that bad plus university field. Oshkosh has their field and the field that has hosted regionals, WW might be harder pressed to find a decent second field, but what I'm trying to get at is that these "reasons" are BS excuses in my opinion. There's come a time when saving an extra $1,200 at the cost of maintaining the integrity of the tournament can not be allowed.
You only talk about how two of the "big three" could make it work. What about the others? WHITEWATER already tried it using the high school and on one occasion Jefferson High School's field. Nobody liked that. Can Platteville make it work? Stout? Superior? They're the ones getting the short end of the stick. LaCosse could maybe make it work with several other fields available. Not that it matters but the only program that liked playing in Wisconsin Rapids was Stevens Point. Nobody else liked it.
The biggest losers are the middle of the pack programs that already struggle to pull recruits from the big three. If they at least got to play in the tournament every year maybe they could win a game or two once or twice and then have something to hang their hat on for recruiting purposes. Who would go to stout or platteville when they might make the tournament once if you're lucky during your career, when you can just go to the other three and pretty much guarantee that you'll make it every year? Give these schools a chance to prove themselves come crunch time and allow for the playing fields to even out a bit. As long as this format remains in place, there will be no parity outside of the top 3 in this league, it's simply not possible.
They have the whole season to prove it.
I have a hard time believing that the coaches themselves were in favor of this format, they were maybe told to be in favor of it...nobody I know is a big fan of it, and if I"m a coach there's no way I vote in favor of it!
I've already said that I don't particularly like it but it is what it is.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 11, 2011, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Dagger on May 11, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
I have a hard time believing that the coaches themselves were in favor of this format, they were maybe told to be in favor of it...nobody I know is a big fan of it, and if I"m a coach there's no way I vote in favor of it!
What if you are a coach of one of the three that make it... then do you vote in favor of it?
no I would not, I really wouldn't! I would rather play my way through a real bracket then get it handed to me on a platter, I'm too competitive of a person to accept an unfair advantage in competition and feel good about winning. I want to play on an even field against everyone's best. That's the whole beauty of the tournament, you play all year to make it and then get a good seed, but when push comes to shove it's a brand new season where everyone is 0-0 and EVERYONE has a chance to win it. The current setup couldn't be farther away....
as for the making it work for others, the tournament should be played at a neutral site, there's plenty of them around, that offer two fields with lights, this is not a new concept, it's done all across the country at many levels. I understand that the conference wants to represent itself with the best team possible during the postseason, but there's no reason to force a team into it. many times the #1 seed may not be the best team. Winning conference in itself is awesome, its a morale boost, a chip on the shoulder for the players, they dont need to be handed an unfair advantage in the tournament then. if you need to, start the tournament a day earlier so you have time to get it in in case of inclement weather. If the number 1 seed is truly the best team on all levels and in all aspects of the game, then they should win the tournament right?
As far as money is concerned, like I said at some point you cant jeopardize the integrity of a competitive tournament because you want to save some money, cut costs in other areas of operations throughout the year.
I'm going to drop it after this, I don't like the setup the way it is, takes away from the aura of the tournament in my opinion.
Things stay the same at the top, but the 4-6 positions not only change, but three completely different teams join the rankings this week.
1 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 29-6 30-8 (Same)
2 Wisconsin-Whitewater 28-9 29-9 (Same)
3 St. Scholastica 25-3 32-5 (Same)
4 St. Thomas (Minn.) 21-9 23-14
5 Bethany Lutheran 22-8 25-8
6 Concordia Chicago 28-7 33-7
Macalester, Hamline, and Aurora are out, while St. Thomas, Bethany Lutheran and Concordia-Chicago are in. If you are Macalester, Hamline, or Aurora, at least you know going into the your conference tournament you need to win it all or your season is over.
Quote from: cubs on May 12, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
Things stay the same at the top, but the 4-6 positions not only change, but three completely different teams join the rankings this week.
1 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 29-6 30-8 (Same)
2 Wisconsin-Whitewater 28-9 29-9 (Same)
3 St. Scholastica 25-3 32-5 (Same)
4 St. Thomas (Minn.) 21-9 23-14
5 Bethany Lutheran 22-8 25-8
6 Concordia Chicago 28-7 33-7
Macalester, Hamline, and Aurora are out, while St. Thomas, Bethany Lutheran and Concordia-Chicago are in. If you are Macalester, Hamline, or Aurora, at least you know going into the your conference tournament you need to win it all or your season is over.
I think the bottom three could realistically say the same thing.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2011, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 12, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
Things stay the same at the top, but the 4-6 positions not only change, but three completely different teams join the rankings this week.
1 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 29-6 30-8 (Same)
2 Wisconsin-Whitewater 28-9 29-9 (Same)
3 St. Scholastica 25-3 32-5 (Same)
4 St. Thomas (Minn.) 21-9 23-14
5 Bethany Lutheran 22-8 25-8
6 Concordia Chicago 28-7 33-7
Macalester, Hamline, and Aurora are out, while St. Thomas, Bethany Lutheran and Concordia-Chicago are in. If you are Macalester, Hamline, or Aurora, at least you know going into the your conference tournament you need to win it all or your season is over.
I think the bottom three could realistically say the same thing.
Very true, however St. Thomas may have an outside shot at a Pool C, with the high SOS, depending on what happens at the National Level if they happened to get beat in the MIAC Tournamnet Title Game.
Nice to see the Tommies recent success rewarded in the rankings. Very surprised to see Mac bounced out. I think the 5 & 6 spots are interchangeable with four or five teams.
The surprise seems to be that Hamline was bounced out of the rankings. Unfortunately for Macalester, they did not take care of business against St. Thomas and went 2-3 since the last rankings. Bethany Lutheran and St. Thomas certainly did not hurt their cases by both going 5-0 since the last rankings. I don't think much disagreement can occur among the top three, but how does Hamline go 5-1 since the last rankings and manage to get dropped out?
Below is a table of the rankings. As I said, not much disagreement with the top three but spots 4-6 seem a little funny. In the table below the in region wins, losses, win%, NCAA S.O.S. and NCAA S.O.S. are pretty self explanatory, the final column is just the NCAA S.O.S. rankings among the eight teams in the table.
Hamline has two more wins than Bethany Lutheran. They also have three more wins and one less loss than St. Thomas; this also includes two wins over St. Thomas. Obviously the S.O.S. shows a decent gap but how can that mean more than head-to-head results. If S.O.S. is an overarching determining factor perhaps that should place St. Thomas above Bethany Lutheran as it is now, but how can Hamline be placed below St. Thomas considering the head-to-head matchup and overall record, including many common opponents? I don't know though, I guess that's why I'm not on the NCAA committee that makes the decisions.
Congratulations to Macalester on winning the conference co-championship that must feel great for those players and coaches to finally come through.
I rode my bike over to the St. Olaf/St. Thomas game and saw some scouts watching Hughes; looks like he could go high in the draft. It will be interesting to see what happens with that. I wonder if Schmiesing and Hughes were heavily recruited out of high school, Coach McDonald and his staff do a good job of really developing players.
| In Region | In Region | In Region | NCAA | NCAA | Comparative |
| Team | Wins | Losses | Win% | S.O.S. | S.O.S. Rank | S.O.S. Rank |
| UW-Stevens Point | 29 | 6 | 0.829 | 0.546 | 68 | 4 |
| UW-Whitewater | 28 | 9 | 0.757 | 0.564 | 31 | 2 |
| St. Scholastica | 25 | 3 | 0.893 | 0.537 | 85 | 5 |
| St. Thomas | 21 | 9 | 0.700 | 0.583 | 11 | 1 |
| Bethany Lutheran | 22 | 8 | 0.733 | 0.553 | 53 | 3 |
| Concordia (Ill.) | 28 | 7 | 0.800 | 0.494 | 260 | 8 |
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| Hamline | 24 | 8 | 0.750 | 0.514 | 189 | 7 |
| Macalester | 21 | 9 | 0.700 | 0.534 | 95 | 6 |
Concordia's #260 SoS really puts their backs against the wall. I am not sure if they are in a must win it to get in situation or not, but it appears that the committee is telling them that or they'd be a bit higher.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2011, 07:02:01 PM
Concordia's #260 SoS really puts their backs against the wall. I am not sure if they are in a must win it to get in situation or not, but it appears that the committee is telling them that or they'd be a bit higher.
A bit of trivia: Among the 15 MW teams over .500, CUC has a better SOS than just one team – Presentation. CUC is also 2-5 vs. RR teams.
Two weeks in a row now that I disagree with the committee. There are a few candidates with better resumes than CUC.
Any guesses on the regional seeds, I know its tough when a team may get shipped in or out.
1. Stevens Point
2. CSS 3-0 in conf. tourney
3. UWW 1-2 in conf tourney, my gut is saying #2 seed based on committees history of lack of respect for CSS's schedule, but i cant give it to them on the basis of conf. tourney
4. Hamline or 5
5. Aurora or 4
6. St. Thomas or a team being shipped in? Im going St. Thomas based on SOS and their history.
Again there are more qualified people than me but its just fun to discuss and think about
1. Stevens Point
2. St. Scholastica
3. Whitewater
4. Carthage
5. Hamline
6. Ripon
Projections for the midwest region from D3 Baseball.
Midwest Regional in Whitewater, Wis.
1. UW-Stevens Point (32-8)
2. St. Scholastica (35-5)
3. UW-Whitewater (32-11) Pool C
4. Hamline (28-13)
5. St. Thomas (27-16) Pool C
6. Ripon (20-18)
** Carthage shipped to the Central Region..
Quote from: GBMAN on May 15, 2011, 11:43:35 PM
Projections for the midwest region from D3 Baseball.
Midwest Regional in Whitewater, Wis.
1. UW-Stevens Point (32-8)
2. St. Scholastica (35-5)
3. UW-Whitewater (32-11) Pool C
4. Hamline (28-13)
5. St. Thomas (27-16) Pool C
6. Ripon (20-18)
** Carthage shipped to the Central Region..
Carthage is a Central Region Team (as is the rest of the CCIW) so they are "staying home." Ripon is actually getting shipped into the Midwest Region, while Aurora is getting shipped out.
I dont think that CSS will get a #2 seed even though all the projections I have seen say otherwise. Although they may deserve it, I can't see them jumping Whitewater.
1. Point
2. WW
3. CSS
4. Ham
5. STU
6. Aurora
I see no reason to ship any teams in or out unless the committee determines that St. Thomas isn't good enough for a C. I think their SOS gets them in though.
I debated the 2 seed as well.......I decided to go with CSS for the 2 spot because Whitewater ended up getting 3rd in their tournament......plus CSS is on a nice 8 game win streak and is 9-3 vs. Regionally ranked teams (split with Whitewater at Whitewater). Whitewater was 8-6 (and 3-3 vs. Oshkosh)
Thoughts on pitching match ups for the first round?
Point, Whitewater and CSS should have everyone available on a decent amount of rest. Hameline and UST's top arms will be on short rest. I wonder if St. Thomas will be able to throw Edwards after he pitched 9 on Friday and was in relief for a few innings (and the loss) on Sunday. Can anyone on Aurora's staff keep the game close against Point? Will any of the teams throw off early in hopes of saving their best arms for later in the tourney?
This regional is going to be an awesome few days of baseball! Point, WW, CSS, Hamline, UST and Aurora. Obviously the selections committee has considered CSS's SoS in putting WW above them, however, CSS did amazing an amazing job mixing up the schedule adding a few more tough teams this year and I'm sure their players appreciated that and should also be a little more prepared than in the past. I see them going very deep in this regional. Point definitely throws off in game 1 saving their top arms and possibly WW as well if Edwards for UST can't go. What do Hamline and Aurora have for arms? If Hamline's top arms aren't ready to go, does CSS throw Lewis or start one of the younger guys? That would be a huge boost for them if they can get by Hamline saving their top arms for Point, WW and UST.
Game 1 predictions:
Point will down Aurora handedly while throwing off. In excellent shape for game 2.
WW will throw one of their 3-4 guys and regardless if Edwards is ready to go, will beat UST in a good game. UST always battles.
CSS takes out Hamline in a nail biter. Saving Lewis for game 2. '
Where can I find the tourny bracket? What would be the 2nd round matchups?
Winner of Game 1 plays loser of Game 3.
Winner of Game 2 plays winner of Game 3.
Loser of Game 1 plays loser of Game 2.
After that it depends on how many teams are remaining.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 16, 2011, 01:23:10 PM
Winner of Game 1 plays loser of Game 3.
Winner of Game 2 plays winner of Game 3.
Loser of Game 1 plays loser of Game 2.
After that it depends on how many teams are remaining.
Here is the tournament page with the bracket and scenarios...
http://uwwsports.com/sports/2011/5/9/BSB_0509114021.aspx?id=684 (http://uwwsports.com/sports/2011/5/9/BSB_0509114021.aspx?id=684)
Quote from: Strikeout on May 16, 2011, 01:11:38 PM
This regional is going to be an awesome few days of baseball! Point, WW, CSS, Hamline, UST and Aurora. Obviously the selections committee has considered CSS's SoS in putting WW above them, however, CSS did amazing an amazing job mixing up the schedule adding a few more tough teams this year and I'm sure their players appreciated that and should also be a little more prepared than in the past. I see them going very deep in this regional. Point definitely throws off in game 1 saving their top arms and possibly WW as well if Edwards for UST can't go. What do Hamline and Aurora have for arms? If Hamline's top arms aren't ready to go, does CSS throw Lewis or start one of the younger guys? That would be a huge boost for them if they can get by Hamline saving their top arms for Point, WW and UST.
Game 1 predictions:
Point will down Aurora handedly while throwing off. In excellent shape for game 2.
WW will throw one of their 3-4 guys and regardless if Edwards is ready to go, will beat UST in a good game. UST always battles.
CSS takes out Hamline in a nail biter. Saving Lewis for game 2. '
Where can I find the tourny bracket? What would be the 2nd round matchups?
I don't see point throwing off in the first game. They may go with Delorit, if that constitutes throwing off, but I would be very surprised to see them not use one of their top guns. Bloom has never been one to throw off in hopes of saving the ace for later, because if you don't win the first game then are you really in a better situation by having your ace in an elimination game versus the 2 pitcher in a winners bracket game? Not to mention that IF point wins they would play the loser of the other game, making it even more important to win that first game. You wouldn't need your better pitchers for the second game (theoretically), and then their 3rd guy, koback, has to match up pretty well with any other #3. If anything I could possibly see starting either williams/delorit game one and then throwing koback game two (if they win) agains the loser of the other game, leaving whoever didn't throw between williams and delorit for the third game that would pit two 2-0 teams against one another. If they lose the first game then the other part of williams/delorit would take game two right away, leaving koback for a possible game three. Aces of staffs dont do you any good if you don't let them play...now's not the time to be throwing off in my opinion!
Thanks Biggio,
dagger you make a very good point. I hadn't considered that. It may not be worth the risk to throw off in game 1 but if they did, and won, there is very little chance another other team in this regional can match up with them in round 3.
1) I see Point's staff as being in this order: Williams, Delorit, Koback. Is this accurate, I have not seen any of them? So they will throw Koback at best, beating Aurora and their best arm and facing the loser of CSS/Hamline. I see point as having a golden road to the championship round if CSS can beat Hamline's best arm because they can throw off their first 2 games saving 2 of the best pitchers in the region for whoever makes it to them.
2) WW throws their #2(Donovan?) or #3. at UST's #1 Edwards. WW's offense is going to be too much for the Tommies and they lose not only the game but their top arm for the rest of the tourny.
3) CSS throws their #2/#3 at Hamline's ace saving Lewis for WW or Point. I have to give the advantage to WW having already seen Lewis and like someone pointed out earlier in this thread, CSS hasn't seen WW's top arms yet. However, Lewis is the real deal and if pitches like he did in the conference tourny I see CSS defeating WW and heading into the 3rd round with a deep rotation of younger arms and a pesky offense to back them up.
Either way the matches stack up I see point going 2-0 with at least 1 of their top 2 arms left, if not both for the third round. Huge advantage.
WW has a good chance as well, as long as they take care of business against UST. They would have the best chance against Point in the third round having faced them an abundance of times this year.
CSS needs to focus on Hamline before thinking about WW/UST in the 2nd round. If CSS gets by Hamline they will have a great chance to go deep and face Point. Expect a very entertaining game with Lewis vs. Tincher/Donovan in the 2nd round if they win.
UST simply just needs to win game 1. This team had an extremely tough schedule this year. Playing in close games is their forte. Like CSS, not the most talent in the region, but always contenders and an awesome defense.
Aurora & Hamline have very difficult roads. Basically thrown into a regional with 3 top 10 teams and another who had one of the hardest schedules in D3 baseball.
This tournament is going to be one of the best in the country with all roads leading to Point in the final round.
Quote from: Strikeout on May 16, 2011, 01:11:38 PM
Point definitely throws off in game 1 saving their top arms and possibly WW as well if Edwards for UST can't go. What do Hamline and Aurora have for arms? If Hamline's top arms aren't ready to go, does CSS throw Lewis or start one of the younger guys? That would be a huge boost for them if they can get by Hamline saving their top arms for Point, WW and UST.
Game 1 predictions:
Point will down Aurora handedly while throwing off. In excellent shape for game 2.
WW will throw one of their 3-4 guys and regardless if Edwards is ready to go, will beat UST in a good game. UST always battles.
CSS takes out Hamline in a nail biter. Saving Lewis for game 2.
I don't think you will see Point or Whitewater throw off for the simple fact that whoever they decided to throw in Game #1 has the opportunity to come back and throw in the Championship on Saturday on three days rest should they get there. With the way the WIAC schedule is set-up, we have seen Bloom and Vode bring their top guns back on three days rest numerous times throughout the season, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them do it again this week. I think Point has the deepest #1-3 in the Regional with Williams, Delorit, and Koback, and with Iverson at the closer, it saves from having to use a top guy in a late game situation.
I would expect all the teams to throw their #1 in the first game in hopes that they can come back later in the weekend to pitch again. At this point of the year, you can't take any wins for granted, and losing that first game makes the road ahead a difficult one.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 16, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
I would expect all the teams to throw their #1 in the first game in hopes that they can come back later in the weekend to pitch again. At this point of the year, you can't take any wins for granted, and losing that first game makes the road ahead a difficult one.
I see your point, however, at some point in this regional the bottom of the rotation will come into play for all these teams. Wouldn't you think its wiser to have them pitch against a lower seed in the earlier rounds? Or do you pitch your studs first in the hopes that you will have the chance to play against Point, WW and CSS?
When push comes to shove, you're right, the safest/smartest/best thing to do is to throw your best guys on the mound. That's what this game is all about. Just an interesting topic. Gotta love playoff baseball!
That being said, who's in the best shape depth-wise?
Point & CSS are the onlt 2 I see with the option of throwing off in the first game. Hamline is not a great offensive team and Aurora is certainly beatable with your 2 or 3. Hamline has not true ace so it will be interesting to see who throws on the first day. The Tommies must go Edwards, although Gapinski against all the lefties in Whitewaters line-up would be a real nice choice. Tough to throw off like someone previously posted, because you dig yourself a big hole having to come back through.
Quote from: Strikeout on May 16, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 16, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
I would expect all the teams to throw their #1 in the first game in hopes that they can come back later in the weekend to pitch again. At this point of the year, you can't take any wins for granted, and losing that first game makes the road ahead a difficult one.
I see your point, however, at some point in this regional the bottom of the rotation will come into play for all these teams. Wouldn't you think its wiser to have them pitch against a lower seed in the earlier rounds? Or do you pitch your studs first in the hopes that you will have the chance to play against Point, WW and CSS?
When push comes to shove, you're right, the safest/smartest/best thing to do is to throw your best guys on the mound. That's what this game is all about. Just an interesting topic. Gotta love playoff baseball!
That being said, who's in the best shape depth-wise?
If you throw your lower end of the rotation guys, and lose, and you go home without having thrown your top pitchers, how would you feel? Win today with your best and hope your other guys bring their best tomorrow when its their turn. You are going to have to depend on your offense a little more as the tournament goes on... may the best TEAM win.
Depth wise I think Stevens Point has a far and away advantage on the mound with 3 guys who could be considered #1's and a really solid guy they use out of the bullpen. It also helps that all their guys are conditioned to throw complete games and then bounce to throw again 2 or 3 days later.
How the tables have turned, it would be interesting to see the outcome of the Tommies head coaching position if they were interviewing next fall instead of this past fall. Coach Verdugo might have been wearing purple next year. Yikes
MIACLuv, why isn't Matt McQuillan playing for the Tommies anymore? I watched some of the live video/audio of the games over the weekend and I saw Rahm was in center but I didn't hear mention of why. Is McQuillan hurt?
Point has some options but I think Williams will go game 1 as you can't overlook anyone come regionals. The thing with Williams is he's a bulldog and honestly would take the ball any time and give you 100%. Delorit tends to need 3 days rest to be effective so if anything I could see them throwing Delorit game 1 in hopes he could go on Saturday. Williams could throw Thursday and still go Saturday no doubt. Could they beat Aurora with Koback or Wendorf probably so but I wouldn't take the chance. Throw Williams and if you get a big lead take him out after 4 or 5 and let Van Beck, Flood, and Wendorf get some work. On a side not has Jirschele's HR from Saturday landed yet? Any guess as to how far that ball was hit? I'm guessing 430-440.
Quote from: Strikeout on May 16, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 16, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
I would expect all the teams to throw their #1 in the first game in hopes that they can come back later in the weekend to pitch again. At this point of the year, you can't take any wins for granted, and losing that first game makes the road ahead a difficult one.
I see your point, however, at some point in this regional the bottom of the rotation will come into play for all these teams. Wouldn't you think its wiser to have them pitch against a lower seed in the earlier rounds? Or do you pitch your studs first in the hopes that you will have the chance to play against Point, WW and CSS?
When push comes to shove, you're right, the safest/smartest/best thing to do is to throw your best guys on the mound. That's what this game is all about. Just an interesting topic. Gotta love playoff baseball!
That being said, who's in the best shape depth-wise?
I think most teams go with their #1, except for maybe Point. You dont want to pull an Oshkosh in 08' when they faced Carthage and threw Demmin and lost. Oskosh went 2 and BBQ without ever throwing their ace Jeremy Rubens
Quote from: biggio34 on May 16, 2011, 05:53:40 PM
MIACLuv, why isn't Matt McQuillan playing for the Tommies anymore? I watched some of the live video/audio of the games over the weekend and I saw Rahm was in center but I didn't hear mention of why. Is McQuillan hurt?
Broken thumb, status uncertain for regional. Big blow to the offense for sure.
I'm interested to see who St. Thomas throws. It may very well be someone no one expects. Under Denning, the Tommies often threw an under used arm in Game 1. Interesting to see how Olean does it; especially because the ace is on short rest...
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 16, 2011, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Strikeout on May 16, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 16, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
I would expect all the teams to throw their #1 in the first game in hopes that they can come back later in the weekend to pitch again. At this point of the year, you can't take any wins for granted, and losing that first game makes the road ahead a difficult one.
I see your point, however, at some point in this regional the bottom of the rotation will come into play for all these teams. Wouldn't you think its wiser to have them pitch against a lower seed in the earlier rounds? Or do you pitch your studs first in the hopes that you will have the chance to play against Point, WW and CSS?
When push comes to shove, you're right, the safest/smartest/best thing to do is to throw your best guys on the mound. That's what this game is all about. Just an interesting topic. Gotta love playoff baseball!
That being said, who's in the best shape depth-wise?
I think most teams go with their #1, except for maybe Point. You dont want to pull an Oshkosh in 08' when they faced Carthage and threw Demmin and lost. Oskosh went 2 and BBQ without ever throwing their ace Jeremy Rubens
Rubens was hurt in 2008, so he wasn't going to throw in the Regional regardless of Oshkosh winning their first two or losing their first two games......
Quote from: cubs on May 16, 2011, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 16, 2011, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Strikeout on May 16, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 16, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
I would expect all the teams to throw their #1 in the first game in hopes that they can come back later in the weekend to pitch again. At this point of the year, you can't take any wins for granted, and losing that first game makes the road ahead a difficult one.
I see your point, however, at some point in this regional the bottom of the rotation will come into play for all these teams. Wouldn't you think its wiser to have them pitch against a lower seed in the earlier rounds? Or do you pitch your studs first in the hopes that you will have the chance to play against Point, WW and CSS?
When push comes to shove, you're right, the safest/smartest/best thing to do is to throw your best guys on the mound. That's what this game is all about. Just an interesting topic. Gotta love playoff baseball!
That being said, who's in the best shape depth-wise?
I think most teams go with their #1, except for maybe Point. You dont want to pull an Oshkosh in 08' when they faced Carthage and threw Demmin and lost. Oskosh went 2 and BBQ without ever throwing their ace Jeremy Rubens
Rubens was hurt in 2008, so he wasn't going to throw in the Regional regardless of Oshkosh winning their first two or losing their first two games......
Sorry my error, didnt remember that part. Just remembered that he threw 6 and 3 innings in the WIAC tourney, didnt recall that he was injured at all because there was a lot of talk during the playoffs that year
I bet that throw Licht. Where does this Point team stack up against past great Point teams? I think top to bottom including bench guys this is a top 3 team in school history. Tuschen, Thomas, and Clarke would be solid starters on many D3 teams and don't see regular time on the field.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 16, 2011, 05:37:06 PM
Quote from: Strikeout on May 16, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 16, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
I would expect all the teams to throw their #1 in the first game in hopes that they can come back later in the weekend to pitch again. At this point of the year, you can't take any wins for granted, and losing that first game makes the road ahead a difficult one.
I see your point, however, at some point in this regional the bottom of the rotation will come into play for all these teams. Wouldn't you think its wiser to have them pitch against a lower seed in the earlier rounds? Or do you pitch your studs first in the hopes that you will have the chance to play against Point, WW and CSS?
When push comes to shove, you're right, the safest/smartest/best thing to do is to throw your best guys on the mound. That's what this game is all about. Just an interesting topic. Gotta love playoff baseball!
That being said, who's in the best shape depth-wise?
If you throw your lower end of the rotation guys, and lose, and you go home without having thrown your top pitchers, how would you feel? Win today with your best and hope your other guys bring their best tomorrow when its their turn. You are going to have to depend on your offense a little more as the tournament goes on... may the best TEAM win.
Depth wise I think Stevens Point has a far and away advantage on the mound with 3 guys who could be considered #1's and a really solid guy they use out of the bullpen. It also helps that all their guys are conditioned to throw complete games and then bounce to throw again 2 or 3 days later.
So anyway...If you don't throw your top guy in the first game and lose, go with your best in the next game because it becomes must win. If you win that first game, stay with the process until you need your top guys. Game 1 IS NOT a must win.
Stevens Point's starters can throw complete games and come back 2 days later??!! Nolan Ryan couldn't do that, I don't think Stevens Point can either.
Quote from: rob on May 16, 2011, 10:18:20 PM
So anyway...If you don't throw your top guy in the first game and lose, go with your best in the next game because it becomes must win. If you win that first game, stay with the process until you need your top guys. Game 1 IS NOT a must win.
Stevens Point's starters can throw complete games and come back 2 days later??!! Nolan Ryan couldn't do that, I don't think Stevens Point can either.
Not sure about Stevens Point, but Whitewater's Riley Tincher has shown he can come back on two days rest. When you may ask? Just take a look at the 2010 Regionals........
He threw the opening game against Aurora and went 8.0 innings for the win, and came back on two days rest and got a CG victory over Stevens Point to force an "if necessary" game. If there is one guy that has shown over the duration of his career that he can come back on short rest, Riley Tincher is that guy. While he might not be Nolan Ryan, I have a feeling he would have fit in well with the rest of the pitchers in the early era of baseball where there were no pitch counts.
Quote from: cubs on May 16, 2011, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: rob on May 16, 2011, 10:18:20 PM
So anyway...If you don't throw your top guy in the first game and lose, go with your best in the next game because it becomes must win. If you win that first game, stay with the process until you need your top guys. Game 1 IS NOT a must win.
Stevens Point's starters can throw complete games and come back 2 days later??!! Nolan Ryan couldn't do that, I don't think Stevens Point can either.
Not sure about Stevens Point, but Whitewater's Riley Tincher has shown he can come back on two days rest. When you may ask? Just take a look at the 2010 Regionals........
He threw the opening game against Aurora and went 8.0 innings for the win, and came back on two days rest and got a CG victory over Stevens Point to force an "if necessary" game. If there is one guy that has shown over the duration of his career that he can come back on short rest, Riley Tincher is that guy. While he might not be Nolan Ryan, I have a feeling he would have fit in well with the rest of the pitchers in the early era of baseball where there were no pitch counts.
Amen Brother!
I see UST and CSS with a disadvantage because of how closely their pitch counts are monitored. When those counts get high, CSS and UST tend to take out their starters earlier rather than later to save their arms. Maybe not so much UST, I remember when they threw Schuld game 1 to the tune of well over 100 pitches into extra innings and brought him back on 1 or 2 days rest to throw again. 09 I believe? WIAC pitchers seem to be on a much much longer leash than the UMAC and MIAC pitchers. Not sure about how Hamline and Aurora are coached but CSS and UST tend to be a little more careful. Does this hurt them in a regional as competitive in this one?
Quote from: Strikeout on May 16, 2011, 11:23:55 PM
I see UST and CSS with a disadvantage because of how closely their pitch counts are monitored. When those counts get high, CSS and UST tend to take out their starters earlier rather than later to save their arms. Maybe not so much UST, I remember when they threw Schuld game 1 to the tune of well over 100 pitches into extra innings and brought him back on 1 or 2 days rest to throw again. 09 I believe? WIAC pitchers seem to be on a much much longer leash than the UMAC and MIAC pitchers. Not sure about how Hamline and Aurora are coached but CSS and UST tend to be a little more careful. Does this hurt them in a regional as competitive in this one?
I'm not sure I would say pitch counts put CSS and UST at a disadvantage, as much as I would say that Point and WW have a bit of an advantage based off of how the WIAC schedule is set-up. The four 9-inning games in two days on the weekend, with another 9-inning conferene DH on Wednesday is something that gives pitchers experience with either:
A) Quick Turnaround for the #1 and #2 guys
B) More "meaningful" innings for the back end of the rotation
Quote from: cubs on May 16, 2011, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: Strikeout on May 16, 2011, 11:23:55 PM
I see UST and CSS with a disadvantage because of how closely their pitch counts are monitored. When those counts get high, CSS and UST tend to take out their starters earlier rather than later to save their arms. Maybe not so much UST, I remember when they threw Schuld game 1 to the tune of well over 100 pitches into extra innings and brought him back on 1 or 2 days rest to throw again. 09 I believe? WIAC pitchers seem to be on a much much longer leash than the UMAC and MIAC pitchers. Not sure about how Hamline and Aurora are coached but CSS and UST tend to be a little more careful. Does this hurt them in a regional as competitive in this one?
I'm not sure I would say pitch counts put CSS and UST at a disadvantage, as much as I would say that Point and WW have a bit of an advantage based off of how the WIAC schedule is set-up. The four 9-inning games in two days on the weekend, with another 9-inning conferene DH on Wednesday is something that gives pitchers experience with either:
A) Quick Turnaround for the #1 and #2 guys
B) More "meaningful" innings for the back end of the rotation
I agree with cubs here. The WIAC teams have big battles every weekend in their conference season as well as tough mid week games where their pitchers are always going to be tested and you have to throw your best guys if you want to be successful. I think more than anything, having done it all season long, those pitchers have the right mentality to do it at the end of the year and have already experienced what it is like.
Wednesday Predictions.....
Game #1- Point over Aurora 8-2 (Williams isn't at his best, but throws good enough to get the job done.)
Game #2- St. Thomas over Whitewater 3-2 (Edwards outduels Tincher.)
Game #3-CSS over Hamline 5-2 (Lewis keeps it close until CSS scores a couple late for the win.)
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2011, 03:49:01 PM
Wednesday Predictions.....
Game #1- Point over Aurora 8-2 (Williams isn't at his best, but throws good enough to get the job done.)
Game #2- St. Thomas over Whitewater 3-2 (Edwards outduels Tincher.)
Game #3-CSS over Hamline 5-2 (Lewis keeps it close until CSS scores a couple late for the win.)
Of all the predictions I have seen, no one is giving Whitewater any love. They are going to be in their home park, they are very good, they are 2-3 vs Point and one of those loses was a 1 run game. I think they will score runs against Edwards (if he pitches) as he will only be on 2 days rest and they already saw him earlier in the year.
I think the top 3 seeds all win tomorrow.
Now that some of the All Conference teams are starting to be released, where who would you guys vote as the Midwest Region Pitcher and Position Player of the Year?
Some of the leading candidates would seem to be:
Pitcher-
Westphal-Oshkosh
Lewis-CSS
Hughes-St. Olaf
Hallahan-Bethany Lutheran
Position-
Koback-Stevens Point
Moody-CSS
Rahm-St. Thomas
Oshdude? I know you have an opinion on this...... ;D
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Now that some of the All Conference teams are starting to be released, where who would you guys vote as the Midwest Region Pitcher and Position Player of the Year?
Some of the leading candidates would seem to be:
Pitcher-
Westphal-Oshkosh
Lewis-CSS
Hughes-St. Olaf
Hallahan-Bethany Lutheran
Position-
Koback-Stevens Point
Moody-CSS
Rahm-St. Thomas
Oshdude? I know you have an opinion on this...... ;D
I think you can scratch Hallahan from your list. He was not nearly as dominant as last year on the mound and got hit hard by some pretty bad teams. Not sure how Putnam from Whitewater can't be considered on the Positional list.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 17, 2011, 05:26:39 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Now that some of the All Conference teams are starting to be released, where who would you guys vote as the Midwest Region Pitcher and Position Player of the Year?
Not sure how Putnam from Whitewater can't be considered on the Positional list.
Well the most obvious reason is that the WIAC coaches didn't vote him the best position player in the conference, so that would make it hard to vote him the best position player in the region.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 17, 2011, 04:00:20 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2011, 03:49:01 PM
Wednesday Predictions.....
Game #1- Point over Aurora 8-2 (Williams isn't at his best, but throws good enough to get the job done.)
Game #2- St. Thomas over Whitewater 3-2 (Edwards outduels Tincher.)
Game #3-CSS over Hamline 5-2 (Lewis keeps it close until CSS scores a couple late for the win.)
Of all the predictions I have seen, no one is giving Whitewater any love. They are going to be in their home park, they are very good, they are 2-3 vs Point and one of those loses was a 1 run game. I think they will score runs against Edwards (if he pitches) as he will
only be on 2 days rest and they already saw him earlier in the year.
I think the top 3 seeds all win tomorrow.
I have to agree with Biggio....All three top seeds win tomorrow in somewhat close fashion. UST has had a very tough schedule this year but that doesn't change the fact that WW plays in one of the hardest, if not the hardest conference in the country....also isn't Mcquillan out for this game? They would sure miss his bat if he's out. WW is extremely talented and playing on their home field. Hamline and Aurora both go 2 and out. UST goes 1-2 knocking out Aurora. WW goes down in the second round to CSS. Point gives CSS their first loss of the tourny to face WW again....WW and CSS duel to see who will have to knock off Point twice in the championship.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 17, 2011, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 17, 2011, 05:26:39 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Now that some of the All Conference teams are starting to be released, where who would you guys vote as the Midwest Region Pitcher and Position Player of the Year?
Not sure how Putnam from Whitewater can't be considered on the Positional list.
Well the most obvious reason is that the WIAC coaches didn't vote him the best position player in the conference, so that would make it hard to vote him the best position player in the region.
That is EXACTLY why I didn't put him on my list, similar to not putting Tincher or Williams on the list of pitchers.
Hallahan was a very average pitcher at best this year. Velocity is just not there. Last year high 80's to 90-91 this year I would say low to mid 80's tops in the games I watched. Got hit around pretty good.
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Now that some of the All Conference teams are starting to be released, where who would you guys vote as the Midwest Region Pitcher and Position Player of the Year?
Some of the leading candidates would seem to be:
Pitcher-
Westphal-Oshkosh
Lewis-CSS
Hughes-St. Olaf
Hallahan-Bethany Lutheran
Position-
Koback-Stevens Point
Moody-CSS
Rahm-St. Thomas
Oshdude? I know you have an opinion on this...... ;D
I would have to replace Hallahan on this list with Justin Kohls from BLC. Kohls went 9-0 with a 1.87 era and .221 BA/against
Koback should be in the running for player of the year overall in D3.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 17, 2011, 10:10:05 PM
Koback should be in the running for player of the year overall in D3.
It wil be interesting to see where Koback and Donovan end up on the respective All American Teams. They will both be at the Utility Position, which will be a tough vote as they both have great offensive and pitching numbers.
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Now that some of the All Conference teams are starting to be released, where who would you guys vote as the Midwest Region Pitcher and Position Player of the Year?
Some of the leading candidates would seem to be:
Pitcher-
Westphal-Oshkosh
Lewis-CSS
Hughes-St. Olaf
Hallahan-Bethany Lutheran
Position-
Koback-Stevens Point
Moody-CSS
Rahm-St. Thomas
Oshdude? I know you have an opinion on this...... ;D
My guys would be Westphal and Koback, but Donovan is a close 1b to Koback as a utility player. I think all three of those guys are All-Americans. What teams, if at all, we'll see. There is a lot of AA competition for pitchers this season. Ridiculous numbers around the nation.
Besides the ones quoted, there are several good MW noms. In no order, and I'm probably missing some (not meant as a definitive list, just a quick scan): Putnam, Coe,
Moody, Flagstad, Link, Douglas, Gerber, Scala, Stephens, Davidson, Kohls. Some of those guys, and others I surely missed on the gigantic list, could get nods.
I now see Moody mentioned.Without a fine-tooth comb yet, I think we'll see more MW AA players than in years past. Not a significant increase, but I hesitantly/cautiously see more from around here.
Quote from: OshDude on May 18, 2011, 03:46:48 AM
My guys would be Westphal and Koback, but Donovan is a close 1b to Koback as a utility player. I think all three of those guys are All-Americans. What teams, if at all, we'll see. There is a lot of AA competition for pitchers this season. Ridiculous numbers around the nation.
Besides the ones quoted, there are several good MW noms. In no order, and I'm probably missing some (not meant as a definitive list, just a quick scan): Putnam, Coe, Moody, Flagstad, Link, Douglas, Gerber, Scala, Stephens, Davidson, Kohls. Some of those guys, and others I surely missed on the gigantic list, could get nods. I now see Moody mentioned.
Without a fine-tooth comb yet, I think we'll see more MW AA players than in years past. Not a significant increase, but I hesitantly/cautiously see more from around here.
Pretty close to lead pipe locks for All-American assuming they don't completely wet the bed...just from looking at current stats and that most of them are in the regionals...
3B Chad Mullins, Case Western
OF John Snyder, Marietta
1B Jordan Walton, Randolph-Macon
C Kyle Moody, St. Scholastica (There is a ton of competition at catcher this year though)
Of Ken Gregory, Kean
1B Kevin Callahan, Illinois Wesleyan
UTL John Apostolo, Mitchell
P Brian Gasser, Marietta
RP Michael Schweiss, Dallas
Greg Ross of Frostburg State and Jason Pankau of Illinois Wesleyan could make it hard to pick against them with good performances in the regional. Mike Russo and Mike Swietanski are right up there. Derek Dallas of UTD and Brian Rauh of Chapman are also in the conversation. Really hard to choose. Chad Sherman of UTT, Andrew Kirk of Alvernia...I have no idea how you pick among those guys. Robert Vaughn of Linfield has put up great numbers but doesn't have as many innings. I think all of those guys have better numbers than anyone from the WIAC on the mound.
I believe there have been cases where a guy wasn't voted all conference but was voted all region and ended up all-American. Not many, but a few. Daniel Putnam could be one of them.
Quote from: MNbaseball on May 17, 2011, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Now that some of the All Conference teams are starting to be released, where who would you guys vote as the Midwest Region Pitcher and Position Player of the Year?
Some of the leading candidates would seem to be:
Pitcher-
Westphal-Oshkosh
Lewis-CSS
Hughes-St. Olaf
Hallahan-Bethany Lutheran
Position-
Koback-Stevens Point
Moody-CSS
Rahm-St. Thomas
Oshdude? I know you have an opinion on this...... ;D
I would have to replace Hallahan on this list with Justin Kohls from BLC. Kohls went 9-0 with a 1.87 era and .221 BA/against
While Kohls 9-0 record and a low era is nice, let's examine who he put up these numbers against. As BLC's #3 or #4, he didn't get the starts against the good teams that BLC played. Kohls had wins in games he started against...
NWC (14-25)
Morris (9-20)
Crown (4-25)
NWC (14-25)
Northland (10-25)
Martin Luther (7-23)
Martin Luther (7-23)
Bridgewater (VA) - (26-18)
Of that list only Bridgewater had a winning record.
Kohls did not get starts against...
St. Thomas
CSS
Coe
Buena Vista
Aurora
St. Olaf
So it would seem that even though his numbers are nice, he was not even one of the best pitchers on his team, much less in the region.
So, should the teams you perform against be considered when selecting players for all-region? Last year I felt it was a bit of a joke when CSS's Jeff Adams was selected to the D3 all America list for similar reasons. He never pitch against anyone good until the regional and accumulated his numbers against bad conference opponents.
To me these selections should not just be made on the numbers, but I realize that is pretty difficult to do.
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2011, 03:49:01 PM
Wednesday Predictions.....
Game #1- Point over Aurora 8-2 (Williams isn't at his best, but throws good enough to get the job done.)
Game #2- St. Thomas over Whitewater 3-2 (Edwards outduels Tincher.)
Game #3-CSS over Hamline 5-2 (Lewis keeps it close until CSS scores a couple late for the win.)
Had the score right, just the wrong way.... Too bad it's not a pool, as I would still get paid!!! ;D
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 18, 2011, 04:32:26 AM
P Brian Gasser, Marietta
RP Michael Schweiss, Dallas
Greg Ross of Frostburg State and Jason Pankau of Illinois Wesleyan could make it hard to pick against them with good performances in the regional. Mike Russo and Mike Swietanski are right up there. Derek Dallas of UTD and Brian Rauh of Chapman are also in the conversation. Really hard to choose. Chad Sherman of UTT, Andrew Kirk of Alvernia...I have no idea how you pick among those guys. Robert Vaughn of Linfield has put up great numbers but doesn't have as many innings. I think all of those guys have better numbers than anyone from the WIAC on the mound.
Do yo have the numbers of the other guys handy? I would love to compare them to WIAC Pitcher of the Year Luke Westphal.
Westphal's Line:
7-0 (In 8 Appearances, all starts) 1.34 ERA, 5 CG, 64 K's/14 BB's in 60.1 IP .184 BAA (Gave up just 6 extra-base hits all season.)
If they all have better numbers that that, than more power to them!!!!
Offense went into hiding for Tommies today and Point was a little to much for a depleted Hamlin's staff. Nice run MIAC.
Oshkosh's Luke Westphal was named the ABCA Midwest Region Pitcher of the Year.
I saw an ABCA All-American list on the nation board that had Stevens Point's Scott Williams as a 2nd-Team selection and Westphal 3rd-Team. That doesn't seem possible. Well, nonsensical may be a better way of stating it.
I saw that same list posted on the Nation Board.... Has the All Midwest Region list been posted anywhere yet?
Finally, the WIAC put up a complete list...
http://www.wiacsports.com/documents/2011/5/31/2011ABCAAllMidwestRegion.pdf?id=1333
Quote from: Just Bill on May 31, 2011, 11:21:13 AM
Finally, the WIAC put up a complete list...
http://www.wiacsports.com/documents/2011/5/31/2011ABCAAllMidwestRegion.pdf?id=1333
Can we borrow a shortstop from the 2nd Team when we play the West Region 1st Team in the tournament? The players look fine, but the makeup is odd for all of the teams.
The Wisconsin Baseball Coaches Association all-star classic was last weekend. About 70 of the state's top seniors are chosen to play.
I'm not sure how firm the info is or whether the players will even play baseball in college, but I thought I'd pass along the breakdown of D-III schools the players will attend, according to the tourney program.
Stevens Point: 7 8
Oshkosh: 3
Whitewater: 3
St. Thomas: 2
Carroll: 2
La Crosse: 2
Ripon: 1
St. Norbert: 1
Augsburg: 1
Superior: 1
Benedictine: 1
MSOE: 1
Edgewood: 1
North Park: 1
Hope: 1
Undecided: 12
Quote from: OshDude on June 27, 2011, 09:07:37 PM
The Wisconsin Baseball Coaches Association all-star classic was last weekend. About 70 of the state's top seniors are chosen to play.
I'm not sure how firm the info is or whether the players will even play baseball in college, but I thought I'd pass along the breakdown of D-III schools the players will attend, according to the tourney program.
Stevens Point: 7 8
Oshkosh: 3
Whitewater: 3
St. Thomas: 2
Carroll: 2
La Crosse: 2
Ripon: 1
St. Norbert: 1
Augsburg: 1
Superior: 1
Benedictine: 1
MSOE: 1
Edgewood: 1
North Park: 1
Hope: 1
Undecided: 12
Could you possibly name the 8 going to Stevens Point? I'm just curious on who they are bringing in and couldn't find that info myself...thanks in advance.
One kid that I know of for sure, but wold not be included in eight players Oshdude is talking about would be Ripon's Michael Polcyn. He was the winning pitcher in the Division 2 State Championship this past spring, but I would venture to say you won't see him as a pitcher at the next level. He is a big (6'3") strong LH hitter, who played SS in HS, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him make a position change.
The variable in the whole situation is that while he had his mind made up about going to Point, UW Milwaukee became a player after Ripon's State Tournament run and offered some scholarship money. I guess we will see how "firm" his choice of Point was in the coming weeks.
Quote from: cubs on June 28, 2011, 12:16:05 PM
One kid that I know of for sure, but wold not be included in eight players Oshdude is talking about would be Ripon's Michael Polcyn. He was the winning pitcher in the Division 2 State Championship this past spring, but I would venture to say you won't see him as a pitcher at the next level. He is a big (6'3") strong LH hitter, who played SS in HS, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him make a position change.
The variable in the whole situation is that while he had his mind made up about going to Point, UW Milwaukee became a player after Ripon's State Tournament run and offered some scholarship money. I guess we will see how "firm" his choice of Point was in the coming weeks.
Thanks cubs, I had heard about Polcyn but didn't hear he had decided on Point. Scholarship money is hard to turn down though, for my alma mater's sake I hope he can turn it down. He sounds like he has the makings of being a huge contributor if he makes it to Point.
Quote from: tomt4525 on June 28, 2011, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: OshDude on June 27, 2011, 09:07:37 PM
The Wisconsin Baseball Coaches Association all-star classic was last weekend. About 70 of the state's top seniors are chosen to play.
I'm not sure how firm the info is or whether the players will even play baseball in college, but I thought I'd pass along the breakdown of D-III schools the players will attend, according to the tourney program.
Stevens Point: 7 8
Oshkosh: 3
Whitewater: 3
St. Thomas: 2
Carroll: 2
La Crosse: 2
Ripon: 1
St. Norbert: 1
Augsburg: 1
Superior: 1
Benedictine: 1
MSOE: 1
Edgewood: 1
North Park: 1
Hope: 1
Undecided: 12
Could you possibly name the 8 going to Stevens Point? I'm just curious on who they are bringing in and couldn't find that info myself...thanks in advance.
Again, these are simply names from the tourney program until the teams release something official: Cody Hanke, Aaron Jushka, Brady Nelson, Kyle Johnson, Riley Spetz, Nick Prebelski, Cody Pangrazzi, Nick Heitman.
Quote from: tomt4525 on June 28, 2011, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: cubs on June 28, 2011, 12:16:05 PM
One kid that I know of for sure, but wold not be included in eight players Oshdude is talking about would be Ripon's Michael Polcyn. He was the winning pitcher in the Division 2 State Championship this past spring, but I would venture to say you won't see him as a pitcher at the next level. He is a big (6'3") strong LH hitter, who played SS in HS, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him make a position change.
The variable in the whole situation is that while he had his mind made up about going to Point, UW Milwaukee became a player after Ripon's State Tournament run and offered some scholarship money. I guess we will see how "firm" his choice of Point was in the coming weeks.
Thanks cubs, I had heard about Polcyn but didn't hear he had decided on Point. Scholarship money is hard to turn down though, for my alma mater's sake I hope he can turn it down. He sounds like he has the makings of being a huge contributor if he makes it to Point.
Sounds like he has decided to pursue his baseball career at the D1 level and has committed to UW Milwaukee.
That blows for Point they lost a kid who could've walked in and started immediately at SS or 2B next year. I guess I can't get too greedy their still getting a ton of potential great players coming in with Hanke leading the way. I've heard there's a few excellent kids playing summer high school ball coming to Point also including a kid from Kewaskum whose really tough. I believe his name is Cody Nuerenberg but am not positive.
Still over 2 months until the season starts but will sneak up on us soon so until then how are the teams shaping up this year? freshman that will instantly factor in? any interesting match ups?
I see CSS is playing their typical match ups with St. Thomas and Olaf but also have Wash U, UW whitewater, UW Lacrosse on their schedule.
UWW has Bethel and CSS so far
Point has Gustavus and Edgewood and fairly typical wisconsin schools such as Ripon
St. Thomas and St. Olaf do not have schedules listed.
Oshkosh will make three seperate trips to the Metrodome this year for the "Spring Trip" part of their schedule.
March 12 and 13-Hamline (DH) and St. Thomas (DH)
March 18 and 19-St. John's (DH) and Northwestern-MN (DH)
March 25 and 26-St. Mary's (DH) and St. John's (DH)
Outside of the WIAC schedule, they have two games scheduled against Marian at the beginning of May. That would put them at 38 games, two short of the 40-game maximum.
Is there a "master schedule" of games at the Metrodome? Other than looking through each individual teams' schedule?
Quote from: BigPoppa on December 15, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
Is there a "master schedule" of games at the Metrodome? Other than looking through each individual teams' schedule?
They obviously have a master schedule but not one online, that would be too convenient for us. I wonder once we get closer to February if the Metrodome's website will list games
Quote from: BaseballFan on December 15, 2011, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on December 15, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
Is there a "master schedule" of games at the Metrodome? Other than looking through each individual teams' schedule?
They obviously have a master schedule but not one online, that would be too convenient for us. I wonder once we get closer to February if the Metrodome's website will list games
I've looked at the Metrodome schedule in the past and typically all it says is "College Baseball"
WW has DH's Bethel and St Thomas in the Metrodome. We also have nonconference games scheduled with Ripon (DH), CSS (DH) and Concordia Wi (DH). The Bethel DH is scheduled to start at 10pm.
Midwest players on the D3preseason teams
Josh Davidson-Aurora
Luke Westphal-Oshkosh
Kyle Moody-Scholastica
Nick Skala- Concordia Ill
Sean Gerber- Stevens Point
Any thoughts on the midwest preview that came out this week? St. Scholastica was the pick to advance and wouldn't be surprised if they have a couple young guys emerge like Andy Davis did last year
I also would not be surprised to see a few young people emerge from CSS. I could see Casareto being a player who emerges this year. I assume he will be their shortstop this year and he has all the tools to become one of the better shortstops in the region. He has a very strong arm and is a strong kid with some pop in his bat. Pitching wise CSS has two of the best in the region with Jenson and Davis. Both proved that in the regional last year. They wont be able to win the regional unless they get their number 3-5 pitchers to step up and give good outings. Not sure who that will be? I know Nystrom was their closer last year, not sure what his role will be this year. They will definitely need someone who can come in and close out games.
Quote from: therocket21 on January 30, 2012, 12:26:47 PM
I also would not be surprised to see a few young people emerge from CSS. I could see Casareto being a player who emerges this year. I assume he will be their shortstop this year and he has all the tools to become one of the better shortstops in the region. He has a very strong arm and is a strong kid with some pop in his bat. Pitching wise CSS has two of the best in the region with Jenson and Davis. Both proved that in the regional last year. They wont be able to win the regional unless they get their number 3-5 pitchers to step up and give good outings. Not sure who that will be? I know Nystrom was their closer last year, not sure what his role will be this year. They will definitely need someone who can come in and close out games.
Since Vogelgesang started a lot of games last year I would guess he would be in the mix for top 3 and may see Jake Snyder be in the top 5
Not sure I could see Vogelgesang in the top three, maybe the top 5 though. Houdek is another kid from CSS with a live arm and a lot of potential. He pitched out of the bullpen at times last year but I wouldnt be surprised to see him get a few starts this year. One problem I worry CSS may face is arm health. I know in past years Jenson has experienced some arm problems and I am pretty sure Davis missed a few weeks last year due to arm problems. Both of these two will be asked to throw about 20 to 25 more innings this year than last year and I wonder how their arms will adapt. Another I believe CSS may have is their lack of Left handed hitters in the lineup. I believe Flagstad is the only left handed bat they have. I am anxious to see if they have any young freshman that may contribute this year, both on the mound and at the dish.
Quote from: therocket21 on February 08, 2012, 07:28:23 PM
Not sure I could see Vogelgesang in the top three, maybe the top 5 though. Houdek is another kid from CSS with a live arm and a lot of potential. He pitched out of the bullpen at times last year but I wouldnt be surprised to see him get a few starts this year. One problem I worry CSS may face is arm health. I know in past years Jenson has experienced some arm problems and I am pretty sure Davis missed a few weeks last year due to arm problems. Both of these two will be asked to throw about 20 to 25 more innings this year than last year and I wonder how their arms will adapt. Another I believe CSS may have is their lack of Left handed hitters in the lineup. I believe Flagstad is the only left handed bat they have. I am anxious to see if they have any young freshman that may contribute this year, both on the mound and at the dish.
Well if Vogelgesang is not in the top 3, then I am guessing he did not improve much since he was their #2 or 3 last year with 10 starts or some of the other pitchers improved and moved ahead of them.
Yea the saints are short on lefty hitters this year which is surprising since they have had plenty of good ones over the years
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Vogelgesang was their #2 or 3 if you went by amount of innings, but if you look at the regional last year CSS went to Jenson and Davis to start games before him. I don't know how you could put him as a 2 or 3 guy if Davis and Jenson got the ball in elimination games before him. Vogelgesang will probably be in center this year and I think that will decrease the amount of innings he throws this year compared to last year. I do expect him to have him a good year as he is very good at the plate and defensively. I think last year on the mound was a case of other pitchers, such as Davis and Jenson, improving with each outing which led them to climb the CSS pitching depth chart as the season went on.
One lefty bat CSS will surely miss is Marshik. Although his numbers are not that appealing at a first glance, he drew many walks, battled pitchers deep into counts, and seemed to always come up with a big hit late in close games. CSS will need somebody at the top of their lineup who can reach base and battle pitchers similar to Marshik.
looks like this is the week where we start to see more games at the Metrodome, with most teams getting into action by end of next week
Saints vs Tommies at 5PM
Looks like they will have video
http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/css.portal#
Saints won all 3 meetings last year which might be the first time that has happened
St. Scholastica drops a pair of games to day, one to Buena Vista 7-2 and one to Washington University by a score of 7-5, as Vogelsang gives up 6 runs (4 earned) in five innings of work.
Pointers take game 1 against Gustavus 3-2. Max Frederik goes 5 strong and Seidl gets the save striking out 3 in 2 innings. Not much hitting by either team I believe Gustavus threw their #1 but am not sure. Was surprised to see Gerber at 3B and Jirschele at 2B but love that their getting their best players on the field. Had to get Hanke and Coady out there as freshman their too good to be on the bench. Gustavus has live stats on their website but I didn't realize it until after game 1 was completed.
D-I Minnesota just beat Hamline, 3-2, in 16 innings tonight on an unearned run. It took about 4:40 to play, pushing back the Bethel (2-0) vs. No. 6 UW-Whitewater (0-0) doubleheader.
That Midwest Region twinbill was scheduled to begin at 10 p.m. It's going to be long overnight for the Royals and Warhawks.
Bethel and Whitewater split a DH that was not played with a time limit apparently. Lots of walks. Both teams used their best pitchers.
Not sure what Whitewater does in 12 hours against St. Thomas as far as pitching. Not saying the Toms will win, but they probably have the edge in the mound matchup and overall freshness.
any thoughts on the regional rankings that came out today
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 26, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
any thoughts on the regional rankings that came out today
based on the selection criteria I believe they are as they should be. LAX split with st Olaf today. I look for them to falter against superior this weekend as well. I think we will see point in the number two spot in the next rankings.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 26, 2012, 10:06:25 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 26, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
any thoughts on the regional rankings that came out today
based on the selection criteria I believe they are as they should be. LAX split with st Olaf today. I look for them to falter against superior this weekend as well. I think we will see point in the number two spot in the next rankings.
Can I ask why? Winning 10 straight games against the likes of Stevens Point, Oshkosh, and Whitewater holds more weight in my eyes than a mid-week NC split where they threw a pitcher that was making just his second start of the season.
And it's not as if Point is a lock to win more than 2 against Whitewater. No matter how good or bad Whitewater is this year I expect this to be a challenging series for Point. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Whitewater come alive and take 2 or 3 but let's hope that doesn't happen. Point has been playing very well as of late but Whitewater is not an easy place to go and win. I do think Superior can take 1 maybe 2 from La Crosse but am not banking on it.
Quote from: cubs on April 26, 2012, 11:37:32 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 26, 2012, 10:06:25 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 26, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
any thoughts on the regional rankings that came out today
based on the selection criteria I believe they are as they should be. LAX split with st Olaf today. I look for them to falter against superior this weekend as well. I think we will see point in the number two spot in the next rankings.
Can I ask why? Winning 10 straight games against the likes of Stevens Point, Oshkosh, and Whitewater holds more weight in my eyes than a mid-week NC split where they threw a pitcher that was making just his second start of the season.
My reasoning is this... yes they had won 10 straight, and yes their mid week loss is not really a very big deal, but of their 10 games they won in a row, I believe half of them were 1 run walk off wins. At some point, things stop going your way, you maybe don't get the little breaks you were getting. Plus, after playing the likes of Point, Osh, and Whitewater and doing well, its likely the team is/was at an emotional high. Now you play Superior, a team they need to be ready for, but can they sustain that same energy they have had against the best teams in the WIAC? I'm not 100% convinced they won't take this series, but I wouldnt be surprised to see Superior win 2 or 3 of the games.
Does anyone know why Superior is playing most of its home games at Wade Stadium this season?
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on April 27, 2012, 09:42:14 AM
Does anyone know why Superior is playing most of its home games at Wade Stadium this season?
I believe the WIAC deemed their field unsuitable for conference play. Sadly, Wade Stadium's infield is not in much better shape.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 27, 2012, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on April 27, 2012, 09:42:14 AM
Does anyone know why Superior is playing most of its home games at Wade Stadium this season?
I believe the WIAC deemed their field unsuitable for conference play. Sadly, Wade Stadium's infield is not in much better shape.
What made me question it is that Sup is scheduled to play four of their last eight games at the Ted and four across the bridge. And those locations are split – Ted, Wade, Wade, Ted. Seemed odd ... as if the Ted is unplayable on Sundays or something.
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on April 27, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 27, 2012, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on April 27, 2012, 09:42:14 AM
Does anyone know why Superior is playing most of its home games at Wade Stadium this season?
I believe the WIAC deemed their field unsuitable for conference play. Sadly, Wade Stadium's infield is not in much better shape.
What made me question it is that Sup is scheduled to play four of their last eight games at the Ted and four across the bridge. And those locations are split – Ted, Wade, Wade, Ted. Seemed odd ... as if the Ted is unplayable on Sundays or something.
CSS plays their games at Wade as well. There is probably a conflict on Saturday's and CSS does not play on Sunday. CSS has Crown at Wade today and tomorrow.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 27, 2012, 09:15:51 AM
Quote from: cubs on April 26, 2012, 11:37:32 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 26, 2012, 10:06:25 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 26, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
any thoughts on the regional rankings that came out today
based on the selection criteria I believe they are as they should be. LAX split with st Olaf today. I look for them to falter against superior this weekend as well. I think we will see point in the number two spot in the next rankings.
Can I ask why? Winning 10 straight games against the likes of Stevens Point, Oshkosh, and Whitewater holds more weight in my eyes than a mid-week NC split where they threw a pitcher that was making just his second start of the season.
My reasoning is this... yes they had won 10 straight, and yes their mid week loss is not really a very big deal, but of their 10 games they won in a row, I believe half of them were 1 run walk off wins. At some point, things stop going your way, you maybe don't get the little breaks you were getting. Plus, after playing the likes of Point, Osh, and Whitewater and doing well, its likely the team is/was at an emotional high. Now you play Superior, a team they need to be ready for, but can they sustain that same energy they have had against the best teams in the WIAC? I'm not 100% convinced they won't take this series, but I wouldnt be surprised to see Superior win 2 or 3 of the games.
Fair enough... I guess when I look at their roster and see it littered with juniors and seniors who nearly lost the chance to play without some private fundraising and donations, I can't see them losing their focus.
Well La Crosse virtually locks up the WIAC regular season title today and runs their WIAC winning streak to 14 games as they complete the four game sweep of Superior in somewhat comfortable fashion. The Eagles won three out of the four games by five runs or more. Going into next weekend, La Crosse needs to win just one out of four games with Stout to secure the regular season title and home-field advantage in the WIAC Tournament. They hold a three game lead over Stevens Point and also have the tiebreaker with the Pointers thanks to their four game sweep of Whitewater.
If Point happens to lose a game to Whitewater on Monday afternoon, teams would also be able to make travel plans for La Crosse the weekend of May 11th-13th as well.
Are you a believer of La Crosse yet biggio34? ;)
Quote from: cubs on April 29, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Are you a believer of La Crosse yet biggio34? ;)
Yes. Impressive!
I wouldn't say I was ever a non believer, I just thought they might have a bit of a let down this weekend. Wrong. It will be interesting to see how long they can continue this great run. It would be a pretty amazing story to go from almost losing the program to being World Series bound only a few years later. My hats are off to them.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2012, 08:10:04 PM
Quote from: cubs on April 29, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Are you a believer of La Crosse yet biggio34? ;)
Yes. Impressive!
I wouldn't say I was ever a non believer, I just thought they might have a bit of a let down this weekend. Wrong. It will be interesting to see how long they can continue this great run. It would be a pretty amazing story to go from almost losing the program to being World Series bound only a few years later. My hats are off to them.
And by hats, I mean hat, I usually only wear one at a time. :)
So let's say Stevens Point drops both games to Whitewater today (they trail in the 8th inning of Game #1.) That would mean that they lost three out of four on the weekend to the Warhawks. What would that do to their Pool C chances? They would be 25-11 (24-10 In Region) with four games at home against Platteville next weekend.
Would they still be a solid Pool C after going 3-3 for the week?
My opinion don't matter but I think Point has played their way out of an at large. I figured Whitewater was saving their best ball for Point. You have to wonder if Point will even take all 4 from Platteville at this point. Looks like Points going to lose game 2 also. If they win all 4 against Platteville and at least make the WIAC title game MAYBE they have a chance. I really thought Point was getting hot at the right time but guess I was wrong.
If Point sweeps Platteville next weekend they will end up with a 29-11 regular season record and a 16-8 conference record. Back in 2010 (the year they went to the World Series) they finished the season 27-13 and also had a 16-8 conference record. That year they won two in the conference tourney before losing two in the title game to Whitewater to finish with a 29-15 record and they still managed to make the NCAA tourney. My point to all this is that as long as Point sweeps Platteville I think they'll be in the Tourney but getting a sweep in this conference never seems to be easy
It's hard to compare year to year bids based on overall record. There are way too many other factors looked at including how other teams in the Pool C bucket fared on the season.
Interesting debate going on in Minnesota with the new Vikings stadium and the dimensions of the playing field for baseball. This is a good read and there are many different takes in the comments section.
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/188506601.html (http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/188506601.html)
Whatever happens, it's obviously going to affect many D3 teams in the Midwest and Central regions.
Quote from: biggio34 on January 28, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
Interesting debate going on in Minnesota with the new Vikings stadium and the dimensions of the playing field for baseball. This is a good read and there are many different takes in the comments section.
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/188506601.html (http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/188506601.html)
Whatever happens, it's obviously going to affect many D3 teams in the Midwest and Central regions.
The comments are wild. Bless the Internet and those who partake in her glory.
The article itself is very interesting. Thanks for posting it. I hadn't seen it.
What it comes down to in the MetroDome is that local high schools and colleges have been spoiled by the ability to play in the Dome in the early spring. As a current high school head coach in the Twin Cities, it will affect me a bit but I would not expect an NFL stadium to accomodate my baseball team in its plans. Sadly, local amatuer teams have grown accustomed to having the dome as a fall back... U of M included.
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 29, 2013, 08:22:37 AM
What it comes down to in the MetroDome is that local high schools and colleges have been spoiled by the ability to play in the Dome in the early spring. As a current high school head coach in the Twin Cities, it will affect me a bit but I would not expect an NFL stadium to accomodate my baseball team in its plans. Sadly, local amatuer teams have grown accustomed to having the dome as a fall back... U of M included.
What do you think of the people who say it is the "people's stadium" and it only was approved because it was going to be a multi-use facility?
Quote from: biggio34 on January 28, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
Interesting debate going on in Minnesota with the new Vikings stadium and the dimensions of the playing field for baseball. This is a good read and there are many different takes in the comments section.
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/188506601.html (http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/188506601.html)
Whatever happens, it's obviously going to affect many D3 teams in the Midwest and Central regions.
Wow! 400 baseball games!
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on January 29, 2013, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 29, 2013, 08:22:37 AM
What it comes down to in the MetroDome is that local high schools and colleges have been spoiled by the ability to play in the Dome in the early spring. As a current high school head coach in the Twin Cities, it will affect me a bit but I would not expect an NFL stadium to accomodate my baseball team in its plans. Sadly, local amatuer teams have grown accustomed to having the dome as a fall back... U of M included.
What do you think of the people who say it is the "people's stadium" and it only was approved because it was going to be a multi-use facility?
Hard to say, I don't really recall it being touted as a multi-use facility but many took it be that way as that is what the Dome had been. They forget that the Dome was built with BOTH the Twins and Vikings in mind. This stadium is being built with only the Vikings in mind. No one is saying that baseball cannot be played there, but the dimensions of the field would be a bit small. Still, I would not mind if it were a football only facility... I find it mind-boggling that baseball coaches are insisting on a baseball facility as well. Would I like it to be available for us? YES!, but do I EXPECT them to do it for us??? No.
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 30, 2013, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on January 29, 2013, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 29, 2013, 08:22:37 AM
What it comes down to in the MetroDome is that local high schools and colleges have been spoiled by the ability to play in the Dome in the early spring. As a current high school head coach in the Twin Cities, it will affect me a bit but I would not expect an NFL stadium to accomodate my baseball team in its plans. Sadly, local amatuer teams have grown accustomed to having the dome as a fall back... U of M included.
What do you think of the people who say it is the "people's stadium" and it only was approved because it was going to be a multi-use facility?
Hard to say, I don't really recall it being touted as a multi-use facility but many took it be that way as that is what the Dome had been. They forget that the Dome was built with BOTH the Twins and Vikings in mind. This stadium is being built with only the Vikings in mind. No one is saying that baseball cannot be played there, but the dimensions of the field would be a bit small. Still, I would not mind if it were a football only facility... I find it mind-boggling that baseball coaches are insisting on a baseball facility as well. Would I like it to be available for us? YES!, but do I EXPECT them to do it for us??? No.
I believe the best use of taxpayer's money is to make some minor changes to accommodate multiple uses. If not then the Vikiigs should pick up the whole tab for building the stadiuml. I am tired of taxpayers footing bills for professional teams.
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 30, 2013, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on January 29, 2013, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 29, 2013, 08:22:37 AM
What it comes down to in the MetroDome is that local high schools and colleges have been spoiled by the ability to play in the Dome in the early spring. As a current high school head coach in the Twin Cities, it will affect me a bit but I would not expect an NFL stadium to accomodate my baseball team in its plans. Sadly, local amatuer teams have grown accustomed to having the dome as a fall back... U of M included.
What do you think of the people who say it is the "people's stadium" and it only was approved because it was going to be a multi-use facility?
Hard to say, I don't really recall it being touted as a multi-use facility but many took it be that way as that is what the Dome had been. They forget that the Dome was built with BOTH the Twins and Vikings in mind. This stadium is being built with only the Vikings in mind. No one is saying that baseball cannot be played there, but the dimensions of the field would be a bit small. Still, I would not mind if it were a football only facility... I find it mind-boggling that baseball coaches are insisting on a baseball facility as well. Would I like it to be available for us? YES!, but do I EXPECT them to do it for us??? No.
I think many people do expect it to be multipurpose because it was proposed that way. Vikings brass had asked for a new football stadium for years and been denied. Gov. Dayton pitched this as the "people's stadium," and those "people" have pledged much more than the Vikings have. Now it's a matter of the degree all sides are willing to bend. Of course all sides want their best-case scenario. Fans sitting 44 feet from the football field appears to result in a design that creates a 319-foot power alley in right and 285 feet down the line. That's not bending in many "people's" eyes.
There are ways around it – retractable seating like the Metrodome, a concession from the Vikings that still has fans closer to the field than at most stadiums, etc. – but it's a negotiation. It'll work out, for better or worse. However, it does seem like the Vikings' current position is a bait and switch from the campaign rhetoric.
Vikings reps know they must make concessions. A paraphrased saying goes, a good compromise is one in which no one ends up happy. So far one faction seems to be unhappy. From the article:
Lester Bagley, the Vikings vice president for stadium development, said the Vikings "fully support" the mission of delivering a multipurpose stadium that accommodates college and amateur baseball.
But, he added, "Fundamentally, this is a football stadium, and what the Vikings invested in was a first-class fan experience. ... We're in a dogfight with HDTV. We've got to get our fans off the couch and away from the TVs and get them to the stadium. That's more important to us."
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on January 30, 2013, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 30, 2013, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on January 29, 2013, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 29, 2013, 08:22:37 AM
What it comes down to in the MetroDome is that local high schools and colleges have been spoiled by the ability to play in the Dome in the early spring. As a current high school head coach in the Twin Cities, it will affect me a bit but I would not expect an NFL stadium to accomodate my baseball team in its plans. Sadly, local amatuer teams have grown accustomed to having the dome as a fall back... U of M included.
What do you think of the people who say it is the "people's stadium" and it only was approved because it was going to be a multi-use facility?
Hard to say, I don't really recall it being touted as a multi-use facility but many took it be that way as that is what the Dome had been. They forget that the Dome was built with BOTH the Twins and Vikings in mind. This stadium is being built with only the Vikings in mind. No one is saying that baseball cannot be played there, but the dimensions of the field would be a bit small. Still, I would not mind if it were a football only facility... I find it mind-boggling that baseball coaches are insisting on a baseball facility as well. Would I like it to be available for us? YES!, but do I EXPECT them to do it for us??? No.
I think many people do expect it to be multipurpose because it was proposed that way. Vikings brass had asked for a new football stadium for years and been denied. Gov. Dayton pitched this as the "people's stadium," and those "people" have pledged much more than the Vikings have. Now it's a matter of the degree all sides are willing to bend. Of course all sides want their best-case scenario. Fans sitting 44 feet from the football field appears to result in a design that creates a 319-foot power alley in right and 285 feet down the line. That's not bending in many "people's" eyes.
There are ways around it – retractable seating like the Metrodome, a concession from the Vikings that still has fans closer to the field than at most stadiums, etc. – but it's a negotiation. It'll work out, for better or worse. However, it does seem like the Vikings' current position is a bait and switch from the campaign rhetoric.
Vikings reps know they must make concessions. A paraphrased saying goes, a good compromise is one in which no one ends up happy. So far one faction seems to be unhappy. From the article:
Lester Bagley, the Vikings vice president for stadium development, said the Vikings "fully support" the mission of delivering a multipurpose stadium that accommodates college and amateur baseball.
But, he added, "Fundamentally, this is a football stadium, and what the Vikings invested in was a first-class fan experience. ... We're in a dogfight with HDTV. We've got to get our fans off the couch and away from the TVs and get them to the stadium. That's more important to us."
Retractable seating seems to solve the problem in my eyes but may increase the cost. VIKINGS got to remember who is footing the large amount of the bill for the new stadium. A stadium of this cost which can only host pro football games is not a very wise investment by the taxpayers.
The new Vikings stadium is projected to have a $975 million price tag, with the Vikings covering $477 million, the state covering $348 million, and $150 million covered by a hospitality tax in Minneapolis. The city of Minneapolis must pay a total of $678 million over the thirty year life of the deal, including interest, operations and construction costs.
Link to article (http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2013/01/28/4438/vikings-stadium-design-could-squeeze-out-college-baseball/)
How's the region stacking up this year?
St Thomas is on top obviously but how does everyone else fall in.
CSS has a deep pitching staff and a good freshman class but did not look good offensively in first DH but it's early.
How's Uww Usp laxlooking? I would think those three on top
St. Thomas and Scholastica split today. CSS took game 1 3-2, Thomas game 2 6-3
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 04, 2013, 08:37:07 PM
St. Thomas and Scholastica split today. CSS took game 1 3-2, Thomas game 2 6-3
Who did CSS beat? Dylan Thomas?
Quote from: cubs on March 04, 2013, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 04, 2013, 08:37:07 PM
St. Thomas and Scholastica split today. CSS took game 1 3-2, Thomas game 2 6-3
Who did CSS beat? Dylan Thomas?
Not technically, but Thomas started Game 1. UST gets Whitewater on Thursday and La Crosse Sunday. Interested to see how Olean divvies the starts. Maher went in relief today.
Okay so the Tommies will not go undefeated, and yes Thomas started but did not take the loss. He pitched well enough to to win so tip your cap to St. Scholastica that is a solid team. Maher will be fine for the start against the Tommies he didn't throw many pitches so I look to him to start against the Warhawks. The other start should go to the transfer Joey Toedt who looked real sharp in his first outing. Offense is still to click on all cylinders, but its early so it should only get better.
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on March 04, 2013, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: cubs on March 04, 2013, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 04, 2013, 08:37:07 PM
St. Thomas and Scholastica split today. CSS took game 1 3-2, Thomas game 2 6-3
Who did CSS beat? Dylan Thomas?
Not technically, but Thomas started Game 1. UST gets Whitewater on Thursday and La Crosse Sunday. Interested to see how Olean divvies the starts. Maher went in relief today.
I like the way Coach Olean set up his schedule... he knows he has one of the best teams in the country and he went out and scheduled the best he could early in the year to challenge his players. St. Thomas is not one of the best teams come regional time simply because they have great players, but year after year they find ways to get better as the season progresses. WIAC schools challenge the depths of their pitching staff and improve through their tough conference weekends, the MIACs do not have as many games or as tough of opponents during conference play, so kudos to the Tommies for preparing against the best and taking advantage of the non conference games to get better.
MIACLuv, what makes you say Scholastica is a solid team? I saw the MAC DH and it looked anything but solid. I didn't see the games vs UST, but offensively it appears like they struggled again. I guess I expected this team to hit more than they have after 4 games.
MIACLuv, what makes you say Scholastica is a solid team? I saw the MAC DH and it looked anything but solid. I didn't see the games vs UST, but offensively it appears like they struggled again. I guess I expected this team to hit more than they have after 4 games.
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Overall they played well, expected the Game 2 starter Nystrom to be better based on past performances but the Tommies lineup seem to be a little slow on the get go because the bats really came alive in the second game versus Coes as well. Overall CSS has a good amount of speed and a lot of offense that returned from last years team so I don't expect the offense to struggle for to long. Defensively they actually played solid and when you get into games with good opponents it comes down to pitching and defense and I thought Game 1 was very well played on both sides. I look for CSS to be a better team come Regional time. Questions I have for the CSS guys is where is Davis? Is he not healthy? Really surprised to see that he hasn't pitched this season.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 07, 2013, 05:19:16 PM
MIACLuv, what makes you say Scholastica is a solid team? I saw the MAC DH and it looked anything but solid. I didn't see the games vs UST, but offensively it appears like they struggled again. I guess I expected this team to hit more than they have after 4 games.
Overall they played well, expected the Game 2 starter Nystrom to be better based on past performances but the Tommies lineup seem to be a little slow on the get go because the bats really came alive in the second game versus Coes as well. Overall CSS has a good amount of speed and a lot of offense that returned from last years team so I don't expect the offense to struggle for to long. Defensively they actually played solid and when you get into games with good opponents it comes down to pitching and defense and I thought Game 1 was very well played on both sides. I look for CSS to be a better team come Regional time. Questions I have for the CSS guys is where is Davis? Is he not healthy? Really surprised to see that he hasn't pitched this season.
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CSS will be fine because of pitching and defense. Offense will come around. A lot of teams struggle early offensively.
Expect Andy Davis to pitch in Florida. No sense trotting him out there against the number 2 team and gives him more time. Remember he pitched one game and was lost for the season
I think CSS is a solid team with Jensen on the mound. That kid seems to throw well in all the big games. They really need to have Nystrom and Davis step up and be big game pitchers like Jensen. If not I don't think CSS will have a chance to win the regional. The offense will definately come around. They have lots of speed at the top and they have a pretty good mix of lefties in there too!
CSS beats LAX 3-2 in game 1 of DH
UW-WHITEWATER will host the MidWest Regional tournament again this year.
Mother Nature can be cruel....We start the season with snow still on the ground that postponed a slew of games....Now it won't stop raining here in SE Wisconsin (Snowing in the NW part of the state). It's going to be a mad scramble to fit all the conference games that have been postponed (in some cases twice) before the end of the regular season.
Anyone wanna play the prediction game and pick some Conf tourney winners?
I'll start:
MIAC: St. Thomas (like I'd pick anyone else)
WIAC: Stevens Point - Like their pitching better than WW
NathC: Benedictine - I think they are little more tested the Con Chi.
UMAC: St. Scholastica - going out on a limb here :D
Regional Bids:
UST - A
UWSP - A
NATHC - A
UMAC - A
UWW - C
Conc Chi - C
Not sure anyone else in the region is C worthy.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but with that said I TOTALLY disagree with you in regards to liking Stevens Point's pitching compared to Whitewater.
Whitewater
Plaza- 6-0 with 2.28 ERA
Kerndt- 6-1 with 3.11 ERA
Lambert- 7-1 with 3.52 ERA (Includes CG victory over St. Thomas)
Roberts- 5-0 with 3.70 ERA
(Each pitcher has throw at least 40 innings on the season.)
Now compare that to Stevens Point
Stevens Point
Feyereisen- 5-2 with 1.73 ERA
Herbst- 8-1 with 2.43 ERA
Stroik- 4-0 with 5.63 ERA :o
(Each pitcher has throw at least 40 innings on the season.)
After those three, they don't have another pitcher with more than 30 Innings pitched with an ERA under 5.00.
Whitewaters pitching is definitely better than points but lets not forget messenger is really coming on and wasn't used much until lately. I'm predicting whitewater to win tourney although they don't need to. Their still playing for number 1 regional seed so that will be interesting. I'm not counting Oshkosh out they can flat out rake.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 06, 2013, 01:29:29 PM
Whitewaters pitching is definitely better than points but lets not forget messenger is really coming on and wasn't used much until lately. I'm predicting whitewater to win tourney although they don't need to. Their still playing for number 1 regional seed so that will be interesting. I'm not counting Oshkosh out they can flat out rake.
Doing it against the likes of La Crosse (6th in the WIAC in hitting,) St. Norbert, and Ripon isn't the same as doing it against a line-up the caliber of a Whitewater or Oshkosh... While he has pitched well as of late, I want to see what he does against the better line-ups when hitters get to see him for their second and third at-bats.
A final regional ranking guess...
1. St Thomas
2. Whitewater
3. UWSP --- Is winning the conf tourney enough to take over the #2 spot?
4. Conc C
5. CSS
6. Benedictine
What is it looking like for the Midwest regional? 6 or 8 teams? I feel like the top three are all deserving of a #1 seed at a regional. Will one of them get shipped somewhere else?
I'm guessing they will all be in whitewater. Point got lucky I want to say in 2008 and went to Illinois and I thought for sure they were heading to appleton but didn't get it done. It's going to suck having two top 5 teams and also point who in my opinion is top 10 even though their lowing in rankings. If I would have to bet my house on it I would pick whitewater to win it they got their bad weekend out of system and playing at home is just a huge advantage. I really think point is playing well but I just don't know if their pitching is experienced enough to win regionals. Definitely have the bats to hang around but they would for sure have to win first two games with Jp and herbst to have any chance. What's the status of maher? Is he a starter or closer now does st Thomas have good enough pitching? I know Thomas is very good do they have any other studs?
Quote from: ShineTime on May 12, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
What's the status of maher? Is he a starter or closer now does st Thomas have good enough pitching? I know Thomas is very good do they have any other studs?
Mahar is whatever they need him to be. He has not been a dominant number 1 this year, but with him and Thomas at the top, this is the deepest STU rotation in years in my opinion. I would think any one of 5 or 6 guys could potentially make starts and I would expect all of them to throw very well. I would not be surprised to see STU hold Mahar back until late in the regional, maybe use him to close their first few games, and then have him ready and waiting for the championship. It is just a solid group of arms from top to bottom, a great fielding and fundamental team, and a very capable lineup.
It's unfortunate if he hurt his arm a tad he sure was dominant last year and was a guy he could beat any lineup. Lets hope either point or st Thomas get shipped
I don't worry about Maher or any of the staff, the question lies in what this Tommie squad does against top end pitching. With the MIAC down this year there was not the quality top end arms in the conference (outlside of Rowley at Bethel) that can put a good offense to the test. I like the Tommies to come out of the Midwest and I REALLY like them to come out of the Central if that scenario were to play out. I think the Tommies locked up a #1 seed no matter what region they are in, so the option to throw a Wedinger or Veglahn and hold Thomas for game 2. Also if need be have Maher to close game 1 and get a later start. Should be a fun week. Lastly I'm pretty sure about a week or so I said that Point would win the WIAC tournament, was told about the Warhawk pitching being far superior, guess that worked out.
Here are the Midwest and Central regionals...
Central Regional Swanson Stadium/Brunner Field; Moline, Ill.
1. Webster
2. Wartburg
3. Augustana
4. Concordia-Chicago
5. Adrian
6. Ripon
Four Central teams, one Mideast team, one Midwest team.
Midwest Regional at Prucha Field in Whitewater, Wis.
1. St. Thomas
2. UW-Stevens Point
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Case Western Reserve
5. Benedictine
6. St. Scholastica
Four Midwest teams, one Mideast teams, one Central team.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 13, 2013, 09:45:48 AM
Here are the Midwest and Central regionals...
Central Regional Swanson Stadium/Brunner Field; Moline, Ill.
1. Webster
2. Wartburg
3. Augustana
4. Concordia-Chicago
5. Adrian
6. Ripon
Four Central teams, one Mideast team, one Midwest team.
Midwest Regional at Prucha Field in Whitewater, Wis.
1. St. Thomas
2. UW-Stevens Point
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Case Western Reserve
5. Benedictine
6. St. Scholastica
Four Midwest teams, one Mideast teams, one Central team.
Question... if Whitewater doesn't slip up in the WIAC tournament and they are ranked #1 in the midwest region... would the committee have shipped St Thomas? I look at the Tommies, Pointers, and Warhawks teams, and compare them to what is in the central, and I am not understanding how/why no one was moved to that regional as the #1 seed. I do not get it.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2013, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 13, 2013, 09:45:48 AM
Here are the Midwest and Central regionals...
Central Regional Swanson Stadium/Brunner Field; Moline, Ill.
1. Webster
2. Wartburg
3. Augustana
4. Concordia-Chicago
5. Adrian
6. Ripon
Four Central teams, one Mideast team, one Midwest team.
Midwest Regional at Prucha Field in Whitewater, Wis.
1. St. Thomas
2. UW-Stevens Point
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Case Western Reserve
5. Benedictine
6. St. Scholastica
Four Midwest teams, one Mideast teams, one Central team.
Question... if Whitewater doesn't slip up in the WIAC tournament and they are ranked #1 in the midwest region... would the committee have shipped St Thomas? I look at the Tommies, Pointers, and Warhawks teams, and compare them to what is in the central, and I am not understanding how/why no one was moved to that regional as the #1 seed. I do not get it.
I'd imagine they would have moved UST to the Central, but we will never know as UWW flondered in the WIAC tourney.
Quote from: miacmaniac on May 13, 2013, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2013, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 13, 2013, 09:45:48 AM
Here are the Midwest and Central regionals...
Central Regional Swanson Stadium/Brunner Field; Moline, Ill.
1. Webster
2. Wartburg
3. Augustana
4. Concordia-Chicago
5. Adrian
6. Ripon
Four Central teams, one Mideast team, one Midwest team.
Midwest Regional at Prucha Field in Whitewater, Wis.
1. St. Thomas
2. UW-Stevens Point
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Case Western Reserve
5. Benedictine
6. St. Scholastica
Four Midwest teams, one Mideast teams, one Central team.
Question... if Whitewater doesn't slip up in the WIAC tournament and they are ranked #1 in the midwest region... would the committee have shipped St Thomas? I look at the Tommies, Pointers, and Warhawks teams, and compare them to what is in the central, and I am not understanding how/why no one was moved to that regional as the #1 seed. I do not get it.
I'd imagine they would have moved UST to the Central, but we will never know as UWW flondered in the WIAC tourney.
Whoever comes out of this region is certainly deserving. It will be a grind. I do not for see UWW having two bad weekends in a row.
Midwest Regional at Prucha Field in Whitewater, Wis.
1. St. Thomas
2. UW-Stevens Point
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Case Western Reserve
5. Benedictine
6. St. Scholastica
Four Midwest teams, one Mideast teams, one Central team Isn't this 5 Midwest regional teams ? ?
Quote from: scrapper on May 13, 2013, 03:09:41 PM
Midwest Regional at Prucha Field in Whitewater, Wis.
1. St. Thomas
2. UW-Stevens Point
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Case Western Reserve
5. Benedictine
6. St. Scholastica
Four Midwest teams, one Mideast teams, one Central team Isn't this 5 Midwest regional teams ? ?
Yes
Thanks. I keep getting my NATHC crossed. Totally on me there.
I'm thinking point would've rather had 3 seed what do you guys think? Isn't Benedictine a little tougher than case?
I don't know anything about Case Western but the WARHAWKS beat Benedictine 9-4 and Benedictine beat Stevens Point 13-5 earlier this season. That being said both games were quite a while ago. Personally I don't think the selection committee did St Thomas any favors matching them with St. Scholastica in the #1 vs #6 first round.
Point beat st scholasticas 1 and 2 pitchers handily and point didn't throw their top guys. I know st scholastica is a capable team but their conference is so bad I can't see them beating st Thomas. I'm really excited to see how things play out and am hoping for point vs whitewater on Thursday. Does point go Jp or herbst game? I know some may think its clear cut but I'd go herbst he's been so solid as of late.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 13, 2013, 09:40:57 PM
Point beat st scholasticas 1 and 2 pitchers handily and point didn't throw their top guys. I know st scholastica is a capable team but their conference is so bad I can't see them beating st Thomas. I'm really excited to see how things play out and am hoping for point vs whitewater on Thursday. Does point go Jp or herbst game? I know some may think its clear cut but I'd go herbst he's been so solid as of late.
Before this regional even starts, let's just eliminate CSS, Bene, and Case, cause there is no way they can hang with the likes of these elite teams who come from these power conferences. Letting them play games is just a waste of time. The good news for the top 3 seeds is that at least they wont have to use anyone in their top 8 to get a win in their first game. Just skate by until the real games begin on day two and three.
That's certainly not what I meant I stated st scholastica is a capable team but having seen point sweep them this season I'm not sure the saints can beat a great st Thomas team. I can tell you as a pointer fan I'm sweating having to face Benedictine and think their a dangerous team.
I wouldn't cross off CSS either, lets not forget that two years ago Kyle Jensen beat Point in the regional, and Andy Davis beat the UST. They could surprise us and beat UST game 1. I don't think the CSS lineup can keep them around for too long in this years regional though.
I would gladly trade the St. Scholastica team for Benedictine or Case. The seeding in this regional is jacked up anyways, there is no way Whitewater should be a #3 after DOMINATING the WIAC this year. Point did beat the Jensen kid, but I wouldn't say handly, and Davis who is 8 months off Tommy John and from the looks of it is their #4. I've seen CSS play well and know that they can beat anyone in this regional on a given day which is why day 1 of regionals are so great, everyone has a #1 and they can take higher seeds and put them into the play back role see LAX last year.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2013, 10:16:54 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 13, 2013, 09:40:57 PM
Point beat st scholasticas 1 and 2 pitchers handily and point didn't throw their top guys. I know st scholastica is a capable team but their conference is so bad I can't see them beating st Thomas. I'm really excited to see how things play out and am hoping for point vs whitewater on Thursday. Does point go Jp or herbst game? I know some may think its clear cut but I'd go herbst he's been so solid as of late.
Before this regional even starts, let's just eliminate CSS, Bene, and Case, cause there is no way they can hang with the likes of these elite teams who come from these power conferences. Letting them play games is just a waste of time. The good news for the top 3 seeds is that at least they wont have to use anyone in their top 8 to get a win in their first game. Just skate by until the real games begin on day two and three.
Not denying the strength of the UWs and StT, but CWRU did have the #18 SoS.
Quote from: ADL70 on May 14, 2013, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2013, 10:16:54 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 13, 2013, 09:40:57 PM
Point beat st scholasticas 1 and 2 pitchers handily and point didn't throw their top guys. I know st scholastica is a capable team but their conference is so bad I can't see them beating st Thomas. I'm really excited to see how things play out and am hoping for point vs whitewater on Thursday. Does point go Jp or herbst game? I know some may think its clear cut but I'd go herbst he's been so solid as of late.
Before this regional even starts, let's just eliminate CSS, Bene, and Case, cause there is no way they can hang with the likes of these elite teams who come from these power conferences. Letting them play games is just a waste of time. The good news for the top 3 seeds is that at least they wont have to use anyone in their top 8 to get a win in their first game. Just skate by until the real games begin on day two and three.
Not denying the strength of the UWs and StT, but CWRU did have the #18 SoS.
ADL70, Welcome to the Midwest board - My comment was meant to be sarcastic (I'm a Scholastica supporter and was amused to read that ShineTime does not take CSS seriously based on their conference). I realize, as I'm sure do all the teams and coaching staffs, that none of these regional teams can be taken lightly. I'm expecting to see competitive games in this first round.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 14, 2013, 11:25:26 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 14, 2013, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2013, 10:16:54 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 13, 2013, 09:40:57 PM
Point beat st scholasticas 1 and 2 pitchers handily and point didn't throw their top guys. I know st scholastica is a capable team but their conference is so bad I can't see them beating st Thomas. I'm really excited to see how things play out and am hoping for point vs whitewater on Thursday. Does point go Jp or herbst game? I know some may think its clear cut but I'd go herbst he's been so solid as of late.
Before this regional even starts, let's just eliminate CSS, Bene, and Case, cause there is no way they can hang with the likes of these elite teams who come from these power conferences. Letting them play games is just a waste of time. The good news for the top 3 seeds is that at least they wont have to use anyone in their top 8 to get a win in their first game. Just skate by until the real games begin on day two and three.
Not denying the strength of the UWs and StT, but CWRU did have the #18 SoS.
ADL70, Welcome to the Midwest board - My comment was meant to be sarcastic (I'm a Scholastica supporter and was amused to read that ShineTime does not take CSS seriously based on their conference). I realize, as I'm sure do all the teams and coaching staffs, that none of these regional teams can be taken lightly. I'm expecting to see competitive games in this first round.
I suspected it was sarcastic, but couldn't be sure. Any way wanted CWRU to be heard from.
Here's a capsule on the Spartans
http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2012-13/releases/2013051357tlu2
Feature on HC Matt Englander
http://sportsnewsdaily.info/2013/05/13/case-baseball-coach-survives-brain-cancer-has-team-in-ncaa-tournament-plain-dealer/
There's no sarcasm on these boards, Shinetime truly believes that nobody can play with his beloved Point or anyone in the WIAC for that matter. As a devoted fan I hope we can all be as enthusiastic about our teams and repectful of others without sarcasm, but thats impossible so I look forward to the Tommies eliminating the Pointers, and for good measure the Warhawks as well.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 14, 2013, 11:46:18 AM
There's no sarcasm on these boards, Shinetime truly believes that nobody can play with his beloved Point or anyone in the WIAC for that matter.
That probably explains why he said this:
" I can tell you as a pointer fan I'm sweating having to face Benedictine and think their a dangerous team." ;)
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 14, 2013, 12:31:33 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 14, 2013, 11:46:18 AM
There's no sarcasm on these boards, Shinetime truly believes that nobody can play with his beloved Point or anyone in the WIAC for that matter.
That probably explains why he said this:
" I can tell you as a pointer fan I'm sweating having to face Benedictine and think their a dangerous team." ;)
Maybe he forgot the fact that Benedictine gave his beloved Pointers a 13-5 drubbing down in Florida. Might as well add that BU is only one of two Nath-Con teams to beat Conference champ Concordia Chicago in the regular season so UWSP could be walking into a trap game.
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Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 14, 2013, 12:31:33 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 14, 2013, 11:46:18 AM
There's no sarcasm on these boards, Shinetime truly believes that nobody can play with his beloved Point or anyone in the WIAC for that matter.
That probably explains why he said this:
" I can tell you as a pointer fan I'm sweating having to face Benedictine and think their a dangerous team." ;)
Maybe he forgot the fact that Benedictine gave his beloved Pointers a 13-5 drubbing down in Florida. Might as well add that BU is only one of two Nath-Con teams to beat Conference champ Concordia Chicago in the regular season so UWSP could be walking into a trap game.
Trap game?
As I was once told, "There is no such thing as an 'upset' in the postseason. Everyone left playing is good at that point."
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 13, 2013, 12:00:14 AM
I don't worry about Maher or any of the staff, the question lies in what this Tommie squad does against top end pitching. With the MIAC down this year there was not the quality top end arms in the conference (outlside of Rowley at Bethel) that can put a good offense to the test. I like the Tommies to come out of the Midwest and I REALLY like them to come out of the Central if that scenario were to play out. I think the Tommies locked up a #1 seed no matter what region they are in, so the option to throw a Wedinger or Veglahn and hold Thomas for game 2. Also if need be have Maher to close game 1 and get a later start. Should be a fun week. Lastly I'm pretty sure about a week or so I said that Point would win the WIAC tournament, was told about the Warhawk pitching being far superior, guess that worked out.
Nice call MIACLUV!!!! I NEVER would have guessed it based on how the WIAC Regular season went.
Can I at least get my crow served warm? ;)
Quote from: ShineTime on May 14, 2013, 07:06:32 AM
That's certainly not what I meant I stated st scholastica is a capable team but having seen point sweep them this season I'm not sure the saints can beat a great st Thomas team. I can tell you as a pointer fan I'm sweating having to face Benedictine and think their a dangerous team.
CSS 1
St. Thomas 0
FINAL
Must be a typo!
UWSP comes from behind to beat BU 6-5 in 10 innings. Almost had both the #1 & #2 seeds sitting at 0-1.
Whitewater dominated tonight setting up point vs whitewater. Whoever wins this game is fixin to go to appleton.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 15, 2013, 10:05:26 PM
Whitewater dominated tonight setting up point vs whitewater. Whoever wins this game is fixin to go to appleton.
Whitewater's P dominated, not their bats or fielding (3 Es)
Quote from: ShineTime on May 15, 2013, 10:05:26 PM
Whitewater dominated tonight setting up point vs whitewater. Whoever wins this game is fixin to go to appleton.
Don't count the Tommies out, they play in the MIAC.
I'm not saying whitewater or point have things locked up. I like scholastica to win and the whitewater point winner to beat scholastica leaving one of those teams 3 and 0. Whitewaters lineup is too unbelievably good to stay this quiet but point hasn't been lighting it up either. In reality st Thomas probably has best overall pitching but I don't think offensively their as good as whitewater or point. I'm excited that st Thomas or Benedictine are out tomorrow that's too very quality teams. Does whitewater have best 3 4 5 hitters in nation? I don't see any way they don't win it all next year?
Quote from: ShineTime on May 15, 2013, 10:49:52 PM
I'm not saying whitewater or point have things locked up. I like scholastica to win and the whitewater point winner to beat scholastica leaving one of those teams 3 and 0. Whitewaters lineup is too unbelievably good to stay this quiet but point hasn't been lighting it up either. In reality st Thomas probably has best overall pitching but I don't think offensively their as good as whitewater or point. I'm excited that st Thomas or Benedictine are out tomorrow that's too very quality teams. Does whitewater have best 3 4 5 hitters in nation? I don't see any way they don't win it all next year?
If Herum and Fon both go in the draft... do they still win it all?
I believe one of them is a sophomore so they can't go correct? I love points pitching next year with seidl coming back but they desperately need mccugh next year in middle of lineup. He really would've helped this year he has unreal pop
Quote from: ShineTime on May 15, 2013, 11:02:47 PM
I believe one of them is a sophomore so they can't go correct? I love points pitching next year with seidl coming back but they desperately need mccugh next year in middle of lineup. He really would've helped this year he has unreal pop
I think when a kid gets gray shirted it goes by the year they are in school, you have to be three years out of high school. I believe they are both juniors in school.
I won't shed a tear if their both gone next year. I just don't see anyone beating them next year with what they have back. Where did pierce come from I would think he's going pro eventually also.
Three great games yesterday. Every one of them went down to the last at bat. Gish was every bit as good as advertised. He didn't seem to have overpowering stuff though he did throw some that were pretty fast. But I don't think I've seen a pitcher who mixed up speeds the way that he did in a long time and it really kept the hitters off balance. Herum's double was as clutch as clutch can get. A very good curve that he just reached down and drove deep. Then the fielder almost caught it only to have it bounce out of his glove.
Scholastica's win was wild. All the St Thomas player had to do was lob the ball over to third and they had the runner dead instead he rushed the throw and launched it over the head of the third baseman and out of play. Crazy
It was a great day to be a fan. The weather was fantastic and the games closely contested.
The loser of tonight's Wiac battle gets to face st Thomas and Dylan Thomas tomorrow. In my opinion point has to win tonight and tomorrow at noon to have any chance whereas I feel whitewater could bounce back.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 16, 2013, 04:29:04 PM
The loser of tonight's Wiac battle gets to face st Thomas and Dylan Thomas tomorrow. In my opinion point has to win tonight and tomorrow at noon to have any chance whereas I feel whitewater could bounce back.
Thomas is going to need his off-speed pitches against either one of them.
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Quote from: ShineTime on May 16, 2013, 04:29:04 PM
The loser of tonight's Wiac battle gets to face st Thomas and Dylan Thomas tomorrow. In my opinion point has to win tonight and tomorrow at noon to have any chance whereas I feel whitewater could bounce back.
Thomas is going to need his off-speed pitches against either one of them.
you both are assuming CSS beats Case-Western, If Case wins, Case get UST & Thomas, while the WIAC loser get Scholastica. The WIAC game winner then gets the winner of CSS-WIAC Loser.
http://uwwsports.com/sports/2013/5/1/BSB_0501130828.aspx?path=baseball (see scenario for If 5 teams are left after gm 6)
Beating Case won't be easy like Sunday morning.
Case-Westtern 3 CSS 1
So---
Case takes on UST Friday at 3
CSS gets the loser of tonight's UWSP-UWW game at 1 tomorrow
the winner of the UWSP-UWW game tonight plays the winner of the 1pm game tomorrow at 6
This tournament just got really interesting...
News on the replacement of the Metrodome. I hope this is the appropriate place to put this. If not please move to a more appropriate place.
http://www.ballparkdigest.com/201308146520/college-baseball/news/new-vikings-stadium-put-on-hold-pending-wilf-investigation
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/219507711.html
Anyone know or heard where the Midwest regional might be this year? I saw this http://thegazette.com/2013/09/17/cedar-rapids-bids-to-host-ncaa-division-iii-baseball-championships/ regarding the WS but haven't heard anything about the regionals. When do they usually determine the sites?
Not sure where the regional is either. I would guess St. Johns (if it is completed) has to be an option. It would be nice to see it in MN for a change.
I can see St. John's hosting it in St. Cloud at Faber Field.
UW-Whitewater will entertain a regional of the 2014 NCAA Division III Baseball Championship at Prucha Field.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 16, 2013, 05:31:30 PM
UW-Whitewater will entertain a regional of the 2014 NCAA Division III Baseball Championship at Prucha Field.
Whoop a di doo! Whitewater is a great venue, and they did a great job as host a few years back when I was able to attend, and I am sure they have continued to do a great job since. I for one was hoping for a change of venue though just to mix things up. The suggestion to have the tournament in St. Cloud is a really good one. Faber would be a wonderful spot to host a regional.
Anyone have an update on the field at St. Johns? Did they get lights? I have not seen it, would it be an appropriate field for a regional? I had heard that it plays a bit small.
Not sure on the lights, and yes, it does play a bit small. It has some similarities to Whitewater with the stands behind the backstop and places where people can stand as well as sit. It also had a cement block on top of the dugouts where people can bring chairs, or stand and watch. I think the field would be appropriate for a regional, but I am not sure they would have enough parking space.
Lets hope the article on the front page of stevens point journal from today is not true regarding a former pointer player.
link?
http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/article/20131216/WRT0101/312160311/?nclick_check=1
Quote from: therocket21 on December 18, 2013, 05:12:05 PM
http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/article/20131216/WRT0101/312160311/?nclick_check=1
Nasty
Looks like vikings stadium is going to be stalled.
http://ballparkdigest.com/201401136947/college-baseball/news/vikings-stadium-bond-sale-delayed
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on January 13, 2014, 01:27:02 PM
Looks like vikings stadium is going to be stalled.
http://ballparkdigest.com/201401136947/college-baseball/news/vikings-stadium-bond-sale-delayed
Where will DIII schools play their early season games if a indoor facility is not available like the Metrodome was. Is Miller park available located in Milwaukee, Wisconsin ?
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Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on January 13, 2014, 01:27:02 PM
Looks like vikings stadium is going to be stalled.
http://ballparkdigest.com/201401136947/college-baseball/news/vikings-stadium-bond-sale-delayed
Where will DIII schools play their early season games if a indoor facility is not available like the Metrodome was. Is Miller park available located in Milwaukee, Wisconsin ?
Yes and no. The Brewers do allow some HS and college games, but it's always tied to selling a certain allotment of Brewers tickets. High schools do it for a one-time experience, but it's not a great model for a college program to get 8-10 games in. Miller Park also has natural grass which they are trying to regrow every spring, so they are very protective about how many games they permit at that particular time of year. UW-Milwaukee used to play a significant portion of their home schedule there as part of a sponsorship package, but over the years, the Brewers have reduced that to just one game.
Most schools have added a "short" southern trip in addition to their longer spring break trip. Schools with artificial surfaces in Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, etc. are hosting more games than usual. Others are squeezing in more midweek games in April or a combination of both.
I forgot the Brewers had grass and not turf ???
How many weeks of baseball does the cold winter teams have available at their home area fields given the regional playoff start in Mid May?
At best, six. Some conference schedule games the final weekend of March, but those rarely get played as scheduled.
Not sure if anyone is noticing, but Concordia-Chicago is quietly putting together a spectacular season. Now sitting at 18-2 and ranked #5... thought there might be a bit more conversation about the Cougars and the job that Adam Smith (Carthage grad... had to slide that in) has done since taking over that program.
Where do we see them in the regional rankings? I'd assume Whitewater, Point and St. Thomas are all in the conversation with CU-C for the top 4 slots.
It will be interesting to see where the NCAA places #3 Concordia-Chicago. I'd guess that #2 Webster will land at Augustana, while #4 Whitewater will stay at it's own host site. Could the NCAA ship #3 Concordia-Chicago to another region?
...or would they do the unthinkable and place all three in the SAME regional at Whitewater?
Whitewater will stay in Whitewater. The NCAA committee won't ship a host to a different region. That's one of the hooks to get schools to host, which is actually quite a challenge in a lot of regions.
I think Concordia-Chicago will end up in the WHITEWATER regional. But isn't Webster a Central Region team? As such I don't really see them being shipped to WHITEWATER.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 29, 2014, 11:44:00 AM
I think Concordia-Chicago will end up in the WHITEWATER regional. But isn't Webster a Central Region team? As such I don't really see them being shipped to WHITEWATER.
Teams get shifted all the time. Point went to the Central a few years ago, so did Linfield. Concordia and IWU went to other regions a year or two ago as well.
Sometimes teams have to be shipped depending on who qualifies. You may get 7 qualifiers from one region and 5 from another. In those cases, they usually move a lower ranked team, but geography is always the biggest factor. (500 miles!)
Occasionally, they have moved some higher ranking teams around for competitive balance's sake, which is nice to know they tried to make an effort.
It might be helpful to see which schools are located within 500 miles of both Whitewater and Augustana. That would give you a preliminary list of schools that can be moved most easily.
I don't have the time (not true, I just don't want to), but here's the official mileage tool you need: https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 29, 2014, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 29, 2014, 11:44:00 AM
I think Concordia-Chicago will end up in the WHITEWATER regional. But isn't Webster a Central Region team? As such I don't really see them being shipped to WHITEWATER.
Teams get shifted all the time. Point went to the Central a few years ago, so did Linfield. Concordia and IWU went to other regions a year or two ago as well.
WHITEWATER was shifted to Augustana a few years ago as well so I'm aware of that. If my memory serves me that was the year that Carthage beat us and went to the WS.
Surprised to see CU-C drop 2 to IBC.... Any insight on the game. CU-C plays a tough NorthPark today then IWU tomorrow --- really beefed up the schedule the last 3 days of regular season
Point handled Benedictine down in Florida which surprised me at the time given what Benedictine had back. I think Benedictine finally hit their stride at the right time.
Quote from: Cubbieboy on May 04, 2014, 10:34:22 AM
Surprised to see CU-C drop 2 to IBC.... Any insight on the game. CU-C plays a tough NorthPark today then IWU tomorrow --- really beefed up the schedule the last 3 days of regular season
IBC. Nice. I bet you still call a Nissan, a Datsun. :)
NACC Tournament field: http://naccsports.org/sports/bsb/2013-14/tournament
Other than CUC, there's no Pool C candidates here. CUC doesn't appear to be playing their best ball right now, so it wouldn't totally surprise me to see someone else win the tournament.
Thursday, May 8
Game 1, 10 a.m.: #6 Rockford vs. #1 Concordia Chicago
Game 2, 1 p.m.: #4 Edgewood vs. #3 Concordia Wisconsin
Game 3, 4 p.m.: #5 Dominican vs. #2 Benedictine
Game 4, 7 p.m.: Game-1-Winner vs. Game-2-Loser
Friday, May 9
Game 5, 10 a.m.:
Game 6, 1 p.m.:
Game 7, 4 p.m.:
Game 8, 7 p.m.:
Saturday, May 10
Game 9, 10 a.m.:
Game 10, 1 p.m.:
Sunday, May 11
Game 11, 10 a.m.:
1. Wis.-La Crosse 18-8-0 ( 0.692) 18-8-0 ( 0.692)
2 Wis.-Whitewater 21-4-0 ( 0.840) 21-4-0 ( 0.840)
3 Wis.-Stevens Point 19-9-0 ( 0.679) 19-9-0 ( 0.679)
4 Concordia-M'head 17-6-0 ( 0.739) 18-7-0 ( 0.720)
5 Bethel (MN) 22-5-0 ( 0.815) 22-5-0 ( 0.815)
6 Saint Mary's (MN) 21-6-0 ( 0.778) 21-6-0 ( 0.778)
All MIAC/WIAC!!!!
Quote from: cubs on April 24, 2015, 09:32:15 AM
1. Wis.-La Crosse 18-8-0 ( 0.692) 18-8-0 ( 0.692)
2 Wis.-Whitewater 21-4-0 ( 0.840) 21-4-0 ( 0.840)
3 Wis.-Stevens Point 19-9-0 ( 0.679) 19-9-0 ( 0.679)
4 Concordia-M'head 17-6-0 ( 0.739) 18-7-0 ( 0.720)
5 Bethel (MN) 22-5-0 ( 0.815) 22-5-0 ( 0.815)
6 Saint Mary's (MN) 21-6-0 ( 0.778) 21-6-0 ( 0.778)
All MIAC/WIAC!!!!
Is the first column in region record and 2nd column is overall record? If thats correct I must be missing something because most of these teams have played several out of region teams. Again I must be missing something since I have been on hiatus since last year so just looking for some clarification.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 25, 2015, 01:21:01 PM
Quote from: cubs on April 24, 2015, 09:32:15 AM
1. Wis.-La Crosse 18-8-0 ( 0.692) 18-8-0 ( 0.692)
2 Wis.-Whitewater 21-4-0 ( 0.840) 21-4-0 ( 0.840)
3 Wis.-Stevens Point 19-9-0 ( 0.679) 19-9-0 ( 0.679)
4 Concordia-M'head 17-6-0 ( 0.739) 18-7-0 ( 0.720)
5 Bethel (MN) 22-5-0 ( 0.815) 22-5-0 ( 0.815)
6 Saint Mary's (MN) 21-6-0 ( 0.778) 21-6-0 ( 0.778)
All MIAC/WIAC!!!!
Is the first column in region record and 2nd column is overall record? If thats correct I must be missing something because most of these teams have played several out of region teams. Again I must be missing something since I have been on hiatus since last year so just looking for some clarification.
First column D3 opponents, second column overall....
That makes sense why their isn't much discrepancy. I am a little removed from the situation, but they use to look at in region record first so have things changed?
If they haven't then these rankings seem to some extent worthless. Obviously a lot is going to change in the next few weeks with teams losing.
Just making sure I haven't lost my edge on how everything works.
Week #2 Ranking are out... A little bit of shuffling, but five of six stay the same (St. Mary's out, St. John's in...)
MIDWEST
1 Wis.-Whitewater 25-4-0 ( 0.862) 25-4-0 ( 0.862)
2 Wis.-La Crosse 22-10-0 ( 0.688) 22-10-0 ( 0.688)
3 Wis.-Stevens Point 21-11-0 ( 0.656) 21-11-0 ( 0.656)
4 Bethel (MN) 25-6-0 ( 0.806) 25-6-0 ( 0.806)
5 Saint John's (MN) 18-10-0 ( 0.643) 19-12-0 ( 0.613)
6 Concordia-M'head 19-8-0 ( 0.704) 21-9-0 ( 0.700)
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 26, 2015, 03:25:30 PM
That makes sense why their isn't much discrepancy. I am a little removed from the situation, but they use to look at in region record first so have things changed?
If they haven't then these rankings seem to some extent worthless. Obviously a lot is going to change in the next few weeks with teams losing.
Just making sure I haven't lost my edge on how everything works.
I'm not sure but I'm thinking baseball may have gone the way of football in that all games against DIII teams count. So there is no regional record per se. Only a record against DIII teams regardless of region.
Yes, all games against D-III opponents count, as long as you play 70% of your total schedule against D-III schools. For most schools in a conference, the 70% threshold isn't difficult to reach.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 01, 2015, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 26, 2015, 03:25:30 PM
That makes sense why their isn't much discrepancy. I am a little removed from the situation, but they use to look at in region record first so have things changed?
If they haven't then these rankings seem to some extent worthless. Obviously a lot is going to change in the next few weeks with teams losing.
Just making sure I haven't lost my edge on how everything works.
I'm not sure but I'm thinking baseball may have gone the way of football in that all games against DIII teams count. So there is no regional record per se. Only a record against DIII teams regardless of region.
That is correct.A game is a game this year.
Thanks for the clarification you guys. I thought that was the case but I wasn't positive.
Thanks. Figured something was up with how records were posted. Suppose it takes away the pressure of trying to schedule as many in region games even though most do anyways.
For determining C bids do they still use OWP And OOWP?
2015 NACC Baseball Tournament
May 7-10, 2015
at Kapco Park, Mequon, Wis.
Hosted by Concordia Wisconsin
#NACCbasetrn
http://cuwfalcons.com/sports/bsb/2014-15/2015naccbaseballtournament
Thursday, May 7
Game 1, 10 a.m.: #6 Aurora vs. #1 Concordia Chicago
Game 2, 1 p.m.: #4 Concordia Wisconsin vs. #3 Edgewood
Game 3, 4 p.m.: #5 Benedictine vs. #2 Marian
Game 4, 7 p.m.: Game-1-Winner vs. Game-2-Loser
Friday, May 8
Game 5, 10 a.m.:
Game 6, 1 p.m.:
Game 7, 4 p.m.:
Game 8, 7 p.m.:
Saturday, May 9
Game 9, 10 a.m.:
Game 10, 1 p.m.:
Sunday, May 10
Game 11, 10 a.m.:
Quote from: Just Bill on May 05, 2015, 10:51:57 AM
2015 NACC Baseball Tournament
May 7-10, 2015
at Kapco Park, Mequon, Wis.
Hosted by Concordia Wisconsin
#NACCbasetrn
http://cuwfalcons.com/sports/bsb/2014-15/2015naccbaseballtournament
Thursday, May 7
Game 1, 10 a.m.: #6 Aurora vs. #1 Concordia Chicago
Game 2, 1 p.m.: #4 Concordia Wisconsin vs. #3 Edgewood
Game 3, 4 p.m.: #5 Benedictine vs. #2 Marian
Game 4, 7 p.m.: Game-1-Winner vs. Game-2-Loser
Friday, May 8
Game 5, 10 a.m.:
Game 6, 1 p.m.:
Game 7, 4 p.m.:
Game 8, 7 p.m.:
Saturday, May 9
Game 9, 10 a.m.:
Game 10, 1 p.m.:
Sunday, May 10
Game 11, 10 a.m.:
I'll take my boy, Smitty, and his CUC team to run the table and hold off CUW in the final.
Is the MIAC a one bid conference? I'm thinking so... thoughts?
Quote from: biggio34 on May 10, 2015, 03:04:05 PM
Is the MIAC a one bid conference? I'm thinking so... thoughts?
If so, the Midwest Regional might just be a 6 Team Regional this year...
So right now, this is what we have in for teams more than likely:
Stevens Point-Pool A
Whitewater-Pool C
La Crosse-Pool C?
Ripon-Pool A
Concordia-Chicago-Pool A
Carthage-Pool A
St. Scholastica-Pool A
St. John's-Pool A
Coe College-Pool A
Webster-Pool C
Greenville-Pool A
Anderson-Pool A
Wartburg-Pool C?
Wash U-Pool B
Looks like this will be the 14 teams that are split between Wartburg and La Crosse assuming both Wartburg and La Crosse get in.. Safe to assume either Wartburg or La Crosse will be a 6-team Regional while the other is an 8-team Regional.
How does potential fly in Linfield compare to those teams ?
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 10, 2015, 07:17:36 PM
How does potential fly in Linfield compare to those teams ?
Webster was a #1 while Wartburg was #2 in last Central Regional Rankings, while La Crosse was a #2 in Midwest.
Linfield was #3 in the West Region.
Would appear that they are pretty similar. and it wouldn't surprise me if three of the four teams are "sitting" at the table and up for consideration at the same time.
Quote from: cubs on May 10, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
So right now, this is what we have in for teams more than likely:
Stevens Point-Pool A
Whitewater-Pool C
La Crosse-Pool C?
Ripon-Pool A
Concordia-Chicago-Pool A
Carthage-Pool A
St. Scholastica-Pool A
St. John's-Pool A
Coe College-Pool A
Webster-Pool C
Greenville-Pool A
Anderson-Pool A
Wartburg-Pool C?
Wash U-Pool B
Looks like this will be the 14 teams that are split between Wartburg and La Crosse assuming both Wartburg and La Crosse get in.. Safe to assume either Wartburg or La Crosse will be a 6-team Regional while the other is an 8-team Regional.
I think this is a pretty strong assessment Cubs. Last year there was a lot of movement with several teams getting shipped around the country. I think there were 2 mideast teams in the Central regional for example. Any thoughts on how much movement there might be this year? I do not think there will be 3 wiacs in the Midwest regional. I also think the 3 wiacs should be the top 3 in the last regional ranking. Will be interesting to see how the conference tournaments change things in the eyes of the committee.
First Round Match-ups
Wednesday, May 13, 2015
Game #1 - Saint John's University, Minn. (#4 seed) vs. Coe College, Iowa (#5) - 10 a.m.
Game #2 - UW-Whitewater (#1) vs. Ripon College, Wis. (#8) - 1:15 p.m.
Game #3 - Washington University, Mo. (#3) vs. Concordia University-Chicago, Ill. (#6) - 4:30 p.m.
Game #4 - UW-La Crosse (#2) vs. The College of St. Scholastica, Minn. (#7) - 7:45 p.m.
It will be interesting to see what some of the teams do as far as who they start in their opener. You get in the loser's bracket after one game in an 8-team Regional, and it's a LONG road to Appleton!!!!
Game 1- SJU over Coe
Game 2- UWW over Ripon
Game 3- CUC over WashU
Game 4- UW Lax over SSC
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2015, 10:22:49 AM
Game 1- SJU over Coe
Game 2- UWW over Ripon
Game 3- CUC over WashU
Game 4- UW Lax over SSC
I would likely agree with three out of the four... ;D
So do u guys think point got a better draw getting shipped. Who is Ripons ace it it van daalwyk
Quote from: ShineTime on May 11, 2015, 11:37:39 AM
So do u guys think point got a better draw getting shipped. Who is Ripons ace it it van daalwyk
Zahn... He has been MWC Pitcher of the Year the last two seasons, along with UWO transfer Polcyn being the Position Player of the Year the past two seasons.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 11, 2015, 11:37:39 AM
So do u guys think point got a better draw getting shipped. Who is Ripons ace it it van daalwyk
Yes. Point caught a HUGE break not having to face other WIAC programs in the regional.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2015, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 11, 2015, 11:37:39 AM
So do u guys think point got a better draw getting shipped. Who is Ripons ace it it van daalwyk
Yes. Point caught a HUGE break not having to face other WIAC programs in the regional.
Also be playing in a 6-team regional instead of an 8-team regional.
Speaking of 6 team regions....In a quick glance of the D3baseball story on the Regional match-ups, I noticed that all of the 8 team regions were set up with the same schedule (ie, 4v5, 1v8, 2v7, 3v6) whereas the 6 team regions were not set-up the same. In the West and the South, the schedule is 3v4, 2v5, and 1v6. In the Midwest and the Central, it's 1v6, 2v5, 3v4. I don't think it matters a whole lot, but why the inconsistency across the regions?
They may be listed that way on the D3Baseball website, but they won't be played in that order. The Pre-championship manual is very specific about the schedule of game. See Page 15...
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/PreChamps_DIII_Baseball_2015_Final.pdf
It will be 1v6 then 2v5 then 3v4.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 05, 2015, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 05, 2015, 10:51:57 AM
2015 NACC Baseball Tournament
May 7-10, 2015
at Kapco Park, Mequon, Wis.
Hosted by Concordia Wisconsin
#NACCbasetrn
http://cuwfalcons.com/sports/bsb/2014-15/2015naccbaseballtournament
Thursday, May 7
Game 1, 10 a.m.: #6 Aurora vs. #1 Concordia Chicago
Game 2, 1 p.m.: #4 Concordia Wisconsin vs. #3 Edgewood
Game 3, 4 p.m.: #5 Benedictine vs. #2 Marian
Game 4, 7 p.m.: Game-1-Winner vs. Game-2-Loser
Friday, May 8
Game 5, 10 a.m.:
Game 6, 1 p.m.:
Game 7, 4 p.m.:
Game 8, 7 p.m.:
Saturday, May 9
Game 9, 10 a.m.:
Game 10, 1 p.m.:
Sunday, May 10
Game 11, 10 a.m.:
I'll take my boy, Smitty, and his CUC team to run the table and hold off CUW in the final.
Nice prediction.
Quote from: mwunder on May 11, 2015, 01:51:20 PM
Speaking of 6 team regions....In a quick glance of the D3baseball story on the Regional match-ups, I noticed that all of the 8 team regions were set up with the same schedule (ie, 4v5, 1v8, 2v7, 3v6) whereas the 6 team regions were not set-up the same. In the West and the South, the schedule is 3v4, 2v5, and 1v6. In the Midwest and the Central, it's 1v6, 2v5, 3v4. I don't think it matters a whole lot, but why the inconsistency across the regions?
If we don't have game times on that page, I wouldn't assume game times or order.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 11, 2015, 02:26:38 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 05, 2015, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 05, 2015, 10:51:57 AM
2015 NACC Baseball Tournament
May 7-10, 2015
at Kapco Park, Mequon, Wis.
Hosted by Concordia Wisconsin
#NACCbasetrn
http://cuwfalcons.com/sports/bsb/2014-15/2015naccbaseballtournament
Thursday, May 7
Game 1, 10 a.m.: #6 Aurora vs. #1 Concordia Chicago
Game 2, 1 p.m.: #4 Concordia Wisconsin vs. #3 Edgewood
Game 3, 4 p.m.: #5 Benedictine vs. #2 Marian
Game 4, 7 p.m.: Game-1-Winner vs. Game-2-Loser
Friday, May 8
Game 5, 10 a.m.:
Game 6, 1 p.m.:
Game 7, 4 p.m.:
Game 8, 7 p.m.:
Saturday, May 9
Game 9, 10 a.m.:
Game 10, 1 p.m.:
Sunday, May 10
Game 11, 10 a.m.:
I'll take my boy, Smitty, and his CUC team to run the table and hold off CUW in the final.
Nice prediction.
Thank you, sir ;D
Quote from: Just Bill on May 11, 2015, 02:12:31 PM
They may be listed that way on the D3Baseball website, but they won't be played in that order. The Pre-championship manual is very specific about the schedule of game. See Page 15...
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/PreChamps_DIII_Baseball_2015_Final.pdf
It will be 1v6 then 2v5 then 3v4.
Thanks JB...that's what I figured.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2015, 10:22:49 AM
Game 1- SJU over Coe
Game 2- UWW over Ripon
Game 3- CUC over WashU
Game 4- UW Lax over SSC
The LAX vs CSS is an interesting matchup with them splitting earlier in the year. LAX threw their top 2 and CSS didn't, without much offense on either side.
CSS played 9 games this year against UWW, USP, LAX, St. Thomas, and St. Johns but only scored more than 3 runs 2x.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 11, 2015, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2015, 10:22:49 AM
Game 1- SJU over Coe
Game 2- UWW over Ripon
Game 3- CUC over WashU
Game 4- UW Lax over SSC
The LAX vs CSS is an interesting matchup with them splitting earlier in the year. LAX threw their top 2 and CSS didn't, without much offense on either side.
CSS played 9 games this year against UWW, USP, LAX, St. Thomas, and St. Johns but only scored more than 3 runs 2x.
Yes, should definitely be an interesting game. CSS faced Cejka for 9 innings in one of those games, who I am assuming they will see again Wed. night.
I'm also looking forward to the St. John's game. They are a team that caught fire as of late and could be a sleeper in this regional. Janstcher for St. Johns is very good in the closer role, and he can swing it as well.
I just don't see St Scholastica being able to muster enough runs against cejka although lacrosse has been inconsistent as of late offensively I would guess a low scoring game.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 12, 2015, 09:08:59 AM
I just don't see St Scholastica being able to muster enough runs against cejka although lacrosse has been inconsistent as of late offensively I would guess a low scoring game.
I agree will be tough for CSS, but CSS won the game he started and CSS had one more hit in those 2 games.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2015, 08:06:50 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 12, 2015, 09:08:59 AM
I just don't see St Scholastica being able to muster enough runs against cejka although lacrosse has been inconsistent as of late offensively I would guess a low scoring game.
I agree will be tough for CSS, but CSS won the game he started and CSS had one more hit in those 2 games.
Yes, La Crosse also had 4 errors in the game that CSS won. I think if CSS can cut down on the strikeouts tonight they have a good chance (Cejka had 13 k's last time). Still, this is the game I am most looking forward too, I think it's going to be a great night cap on the first day of the regional!
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Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2015, 08:06:50 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 12, 2015, 09:08:59 AM
I just don't see St Scholastica being able to muster enough runs against cejka although lacrosse has been inconsistent as of late offensively I would guess a low scoring game.
I agree will be tough for CSS, but CSS won the game he started and CSS had one more hit in those 2 games.
Yes, La Crosse also had 4 errors in the game that CSS won. I think if CSS can cut down on the strikeouts tonight they have a good chance (Cejka had 13 k's last time). Still, this is the game I am most looking forward too, I think it's going to be a great night cap on the first day of the regional!
I think the opener between Coe and St. John's makes for an interesting game as well. You have two teams that put a great weekend of baseball together to qualify for Regionals. I'm curious to see if either can continue their solid play, or if they both "peaked" last weekend.
Interestingly, Coe not going with three time all IIAC pitcher AJ Reuter in Game #1 against St. John's....
Coe out to a 4-1 lead after four innings...
Teams have combined for 14 hits, ALL singles!!!
Come on live stats don't fail now.
Whitewater marching out their #4 to start against Ripon.... :o WOW!!!!
I wouldn't overlook ripon either but does whitewater have a clear number 1. It seems to me they have 4 to 5 guys that are all really solid with grove clearly being a tad better than the others. Would their next opponent have a ton of left handed hitters perhaps they are planning ahead which is never good at this point. Point up 5 to 1 how long do they let beau go?
Quote from: ShineTime on May 13, 2015, 02:22:24 PM
I wouldn't overlook ripon either but does whitewater have a clear number 1. It seems to me they have 4 to 5 guys that are all really solid with grove clearly being a tad better than the others. Would their next opponent have a ton of left handed hitters perhaps they are planning ahead which is never good at this point. Point up 5 to 1 how long do they let beau go?
You just answered your own question....
Point 6
Greenville 4
Bottom 6th
Better keep Beau in there!!! ;D
Quote from: cubs on May 13, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
Whitewater marching out their #4 to start against Ripon.... :o WOW!!!!
Exhibit A of why you throw your ace...
Ripon 7
Whitewater 2
Bottom 5th
Whitewater already on their third pitcher of the day...
Quote from: cubs on May 13, 2015, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 13, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
Whitewater marching out their #4 to start against Ripon.... :o WOW!!!!
Exhibit A of why you throw your ace...
Ripon 7
Whitewater 2
Bottom 5th
Whitewater already on their third pitcher of the day...
WOW! I can't believe Whitewater didn't start Grove, especially against a lineup with a player like Polcyn in it! I agree with you 100% cubs, throw your ace in the 1st game!
Point survives a scare 7 to 4. They need to sure up the d if they plan on winning this regional. I see a lot of piss rods being hit in this regional seems to be lack of great pitching.
12-2 Ripon Whitewater's half of the 7th. Game over imo
Not so fast 12 to 7 whitewater is very capable of putting up a 5 spot.
Ripon 15
Whitewater 7
FINAL
Would LOVE to hear the rationale behind starting your #4 pitcher from Vodenlich... Don't get it whatsoever!!!!
They still have a shot though I bet they win next 3 for sure.
Joe Miller getting the start for La Crosse tonight instead of their "ace" Cejka...
Miller gave up two runs in eight innings in a 6-3 victory over CSS earlier this season.
Quote from: cubs on May 13, 2015, 08:38:41 PM
Joe Miller getting the start for La Crosse tonight instead of their "ace" Cejka...
Miller gave up two runs in eight innings in a 6-3 victory over CSS earlier this season.
CSS is starting Padraic Getchell their number two instead of Daniel Wood also. CSS up 1-0 top of 1 with bases loaded
Quote from: cubs on May 13, 2015, 08:38:41 PM
Joe Miller getting the start for La Crosse tonight instead of their "ace" Cejka...
Miller gave up two runs in eight innings in a 6-3 victory over CSS earlier this season.
La Crosse pulls away in the 8th inning to pick up the victory... Now they get to send their ace to the mound tomorrow against Wash U.
While the gamble backfired for Whitewater (I don't believe for a second that they burned through their pitching at WIAC Tournament) it pays off for La Crosse.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 13, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
Point survives a scare 7 to 4. They need to sure up the d if they plan on winning this regional. I see a lot of piss rods being hit in this regional seems to be lack of great pitching.
The biggest advantage to being the #1 seed in a six-team Regional?
You get to player a "loser" in Game #2 as long as you win your first game. Point will take on Wartburg tomorrow, who threw their "ace" while losing to Anderson 4-3.
Nothing will come easy for point though kowalke is hit or miss hopefully he pitches like he did against whitewater.
WIAC tournament page indicates that Whitewater played 5 games in the span of three days, including 3 games in one day.
The interval from the WIAC title game Sunday to today's first-round regional game may not have been enough time to give a #1 his customary amount of rest.
Just relaying a second-hand report from the regional site...I didn't see any of the WIAC games, nor have I yet delved into the box scores of each of those games to see how the innings in those games were allocated.
A kind of "Ripley's Believe It or Not" situation.
Quote from: jaybird44 on May 14, 2015, 12:20:33 AM
WIAC tournament page indicates that Whitewater played 5 games in the span of three days, including 3 games in one day.
The interval from the WIAC title game Sunday to today's first-round regional game may not have been enough time to give a #1 his customary amount of rest.
Just relaying a second-hand report from the regional site...I didn't see any of the WIAC games, nor have I yet delved into the box scores of each of those games to see how the innings in those games were allocated.
A kind of "Ripley's Believe It or Not" situation.
I'll leave you the same reply I left on the World Series thread....
Quote from: jaybird44 on May 13, 2015, 10:00:42 PM
I'm told that Whitewater had depleted its starting pitching during the conference tournament, thus the #4 starter being used today to start the regional tournament.
Another reason why I am glad Wash-U and the UAA do not get wrapped up in a post-season conference tournament. Bears were able to use their ace to great effect, as Scott Nelson pitched a 3-hit complete game shutout in a 2-0 win over Concordia-Chicago.
I call BS on that!!!!
Nompleggi threw seven innings Saturday while Grove threw six innings on Saturday. Bachar, arguably Whitewater's #2 this season, hadn't stepped on the mound since Friday, giving him four full days of rest. Bachar had come back on two days rest one time this year, and four days rest another.
They can try to spin in any which way they want, but the decision to throw Nompleggi was nothing more than under-estimating their opponent!!!
It's a no Brainer that they over looked ripon. My guess is they saw point beat ripon with ryan Williams on the mound and guessed they could get by and score enough. It looks like a few other teams in regionals opted not to send out their aces also. It's really a tough call to be honest I thought point may have tried to win with kowalke yesterday but in the end I think their better off because beau could probably still give them 9 Saturday if need be. If you save your ace for today odds are their not going again more than inning or two.
One advantage is that now teams that lost have their "aces" to use in elimination games.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2015, 10:48:40 AM
One advantage is that now teams that lost have their "aces" to use in elimination games.
And they also have to win six straight correct?
I'll take my chances throwing my "ace" and improving my chances to stay in Winner's Bracket. Easier to win four straight instead of six straight after losing the first game!!! ;)
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2015, 11:02:20 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2015, 10:48:40 AM
One advantage is that now teams that lost have their "aces" to use in elimination games.
And they also have to win six straight correct?
I'll take my chances throwing my "ace" and improving my chances to stay in Winner's Bracket. Easier to win four straight instead of six straight after losing the first game!!! ;)
That's a good point cubs. Also, the ace is usually going to be a guy that is going to want the ball again on Saturday to give his team a chance at winning a regional on short rest. If I'm coaching in a regional I want to give my ace the chance to throw as many innings as possible. Throwing them on the first day is, in my opinion, the easiest way to do that.
GREAT pitchers duel between Whitewater's Grove and St. John's Felhaber!!!!
Whitewater 0
St. John's 0
Top 7th
Just on principle for not using their #1 yesterday, I'd love to see UWW fall.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2015, 12:41:30 PM
Just on principle for not using their #1 yesterday, I'd love to see UWW fall.
Doesn't look like it will happen....
Whitewater 2
St. John's 0
FINAL
WW put up single runs in the 7th and 9th innings to account for all of the scoring.... Whitewater will likely send Bachar to the mound tomorrow in a elimination game against the loser of La Crosse and Wash U who play the final game of Day #2 later tonight.
Whitewater will at least get to championship game I'm betting.
All the games in the Central Region are rained out.... Decision on the schedule will be made at 6:00 PM this evening.
Michael polcyn should be checked for ped usage 3 home runs today wtf. Shouldve been a pointer 4 years.
It appears cejka is getting rocked but lacrosse came to hit so hopefully they can still get the w.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 14, 2015, 07:58:42 PM
Michael polcyn should be checked for ped usage 3 home runs today wtf. Shouldve been at UWO for 4 years.
FIFY... :o
BTW-You forgot to mention that Ripon lost 5-4 despite the three HR's from Polcyn...
Unfortunately for the Red Men, the game ended with Polcyn left in the on-deck circle.
Rain delay in La Crosse ... Haven't seen any word on whether the game will continue tonight or if there will be adjustments in tomorrow's schedule.
Game will resume at 10am on Friday.
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 14, 2015, 07:58:42 PM
Michael polcyn should be checked for ped usage 3 home runs today wtf. Shouldve been at UWO for 4 years.
FIFY... :o
BTW-You forgot to mention that Ripon lost 5-4 despite the three HR's from Polcyn...
Unfortunately for the Red Men, the game ended with Polcyn left in the on-deck circle.
*Red Hawks
Quote from: Just Bill on May 15, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 14, 2015, 07:58:42 PM
Michael polcyn should be checked for ped usage 3 home runs today wtf. Shouldve been at UWO for 4 years.
FIFY... :o
BTW-You forgot to mention that Ripon lost 5-4 despite the three HR's from Polcyn...
Unfortunately for the Red Men, the game ended with Polcyn left in the on-deck circle.
*Red Hawks
Intentional Just Bill.... Being from that area, they will always be the Red Men to me. Similar to Seymour High School being the Indians and not the Thunder.
Quote from: cubs on May 15, 2015, 09:57:35 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 15, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 14, 2015, 07:58:42 PM
Michael polcyn should be checked for ped usage 3 home runs today wtf. Shouldve been at UWO for 4 years.
FIFY... :o
BTW-You forgot to mention that Ripon lost 5-4 despite the three HR's from Polcyn...
Unfortunately for the Red Men, the game ended with Polcyn left in the on-deck circle.
*Red Hawks
Intentional Just Bill.... Being from that area, they will always be the Red Men to me. Similar to Seymour High School being the Indians and not the Thunder.
Me too...
Quote from: ShineTime on May 14, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
It appears cejka is getting rocked but lacrosse came to hit so hopefully they can still get the w.
Boushley relieves Cejka in Bottom of 3rd Inning following rain delay with Wash U leading 6-5....
Will be interesting to see plan of attack with Cejka going forward.... Does he come back and pitch in La Crosse's second game today, or is he unable to go until tomorrow? If he can't go until Saturday, it may be too late as a pair of losses would end the Eagles season.
La Crosse gets 11 scoreless innings from their bullpen to beat Wash U 8-6 in 13 innings.... Closer Jameson Sadowske finishes things with five scoreless innings, giving up three hits and a walk.
Wash U led 6-5 after two innings and the game was then delayed until this morning due to rain. Both teams put zeros up on the scoreboard until the ninth inning when La Crosse scored a single run to tie the game. It stayed that way until the 13th inning when La Crosse pushed a pair of runs across to take an 8-6 lead. (It could have been more but the Eagles had a runner thrown out at home and another at third during the inning.)
The host Eagles advance to the winner's bracket finals against Coe at 7:45 PM tonight.
Just in case you are wondering, I for one am following the post season by reading you guys. So thanks!
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on May 15, 2015, 02:34:06 PM
Just in case you are wondering, I for one am following the post season by reading you guys. So thanks!
Glad I can help!!!
Although not as fun as my playing days, it's still an exciting time of year for me!!!
Should point get beau on the mound down 2 to 0 already and pitcher looks tough.
Gerber getting hurt is really screwing point this game tarras has to block those can't give up easy runs in game like this.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 15, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
Should point get beau on the mound down 2 to 0 already and pitcher looks tough.
Seriously?
No team is going to get to the World Series trying to ride ONE pitcher all the way through Regionals.... ::)
Quote from: ShineTime on May 15, 2015, 05:08:54 PM
Gerber getting hurt is really screwing point this game tarras has to block those can't give up easy runs in game like this.
When did Gerber get hurt?
He played last weekend in Point's 10-5 loss to Whitewater....
Apparently he may have torn labrum that's why he's not catching. He was playing at a high level prior to injury.
I know beau was on terror at plate but it may be time to have someone else dh he's cooled off and is too valuable on mound. Not going to say it's impossible but I'm not sure point has enough pitching to pull this off. Kowalke picked worst time to pitch worst two innings of life. To lose a game in which your pitchers only give up 3 hits is hard to swallow. Looks like whitewater is back on a roll I wouldn't be shocked at all if they get to Appleton
Quote from: ShineTime on May 15, 2015, 07:58:08 PM
I know beau was on terror at plate but it may be time to have someone else dh he's cooled off and is too valuable on mound. Not going to say it's impossible but I'm not sure point has enough pitching to pull this off. Kowalke picked worst time to pitch worst two innings of life. To lose a game in which your pitchers only give up 3 hits is hard to swallow. Looks like whitewater is back on a roll I wouldn't be shocked at all if they get to Appleton
I can't believe you are blaming the loss on Point's pitching... How about the vaunted offense you talked about actually do something? Their final nice batters of the game went down in order and 13 of the last 15 batters were retired.
Point's pitching staff did enough to help them win. It would have been nice if the defense had made the routine plays behind them.
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2015, 12:48:22 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2015, 12:41:30 PM
Just on principle for not using their #1 yesterday, I'd love to see UWW fall.
Doesn't look like it will happen....
Whitewater 2
St. John's 0
FINAL
WW put up single runs in the 7th and 9th innings to account for all of the scoring.... Whitewater will likely send Bachar to the mound tomorrow in a elimination game against the loser of La Crosse and Wash U who play the final game of Day #2 later tonight.
So Whitewater follows up 2-0 win with another dominating performance on the mound as Bachar throws a CG in leading the Warhawks to a 3-0 victory over Wash U.
After getting lit up against Ripon, Whitewater has thrown 18 straight shutout innings at the Midwest Regional. Will be interesting to see if they can continue the run on the mound against Concordia tomorrow at 12:00!!!!
Am guessing Wash U got their fill of the WIAC baseball teams today!!!! ;D
Ripon had to be hotter than hot when we played them (Wisconsin Whitewater)
18 shutout innings against tournament level teams is impressive to say the least.
Quote from: GBMAN on May 15, 2015, 08:30:00 PM
Ripon had to be hotter than hot when we played them (Wisconsin Whitewater)
Whitewater throws Grove or Bachar against Ripon and I'd be willing to bet they hold them to 3-4 runs or less.... Ripon was held to four and five runs their next two games against Coe and Concordia, so it's not like they were unstoppable!!!
Wash U went from one out away from 2-0, to out of the tournament in what seemed like a blink of an eye. Postseason baseball will break your heart, man.
It can also send you to the 4th floor.
While La Crosse was able to score an extra inning victory earlier today, it's probably safe to assume they used a little more pitching than they would have liked. The result was an 11-5 loss to Coe tonight in the Winner's Bracket final.
Coe gets the day off tomorrow, and awaits the survivor of Concrodia vs Whitewater, with the winner taking on La Crosse. Whoever wins the final game tomorrow, will have to beat Coe twice on Sunday to capture the Midwest Regional Championship.
It's also probably safe to assume that Coe is enjoying the view they have sitting in the driver's seat of the Kohawkmobile tonight. Cubs, who do you think Whitewater throws in the Concordia game tomorrow? What do you think their options are?
Quote from: Just Bill on May 15, 2015, 11:04:16 PM
Wash U went from one out away from 2-0, to out of the tournament in what seemed like a blink of an eye. Postseason baseball will break your heart, man.
ALL of baseball is designed to break your heart... Not just playoff baseball. That's why it feels so good to win!
Quote from: BoBo on May 16, 2015, 12:19:56 AM
It's also probably safe to assume that Coe is enjoying the view they have sitting in the driver's seat of the Kohawkmobile tonight. Cubs, who do you think Whitewater throws in the Concordia game tomorrow? What do you think their options are?
I could see Nomplegginor Morgan
Quote from: BoBo on May 16, 2015, 12:19:56 AM
It's also probably safe to assume that Coe is enjoying the view they have sitting in the driver's seat of the Kohawkmobile tonight. Cubs, who do you think Whitewater throws in the Concordia game tomorrow? What do you think their options are?
Knowing they are going to have to beat Concordia and La Crosse today, GBMAN was probably right when he said Nompleggi and Morgan.
I would assume Nompleggi gets the ball against Concordia and Morgan gets the ball against La Crosse if they win the first game.
However knowing they have to win four games to make it to Appleton, it wouldn't shock me to see Renz or Olejniczak get the ball against Concordia knowing they are going to have to get innings from some other guys eventually.
Quote from: cubs on May 16, 2015, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: BoBo on May 16, 2015, 12:19:56 AM
It's also probably safe to assume that Coe is enjoying the view they have sitting in the driver's seat of the Kohawkmobile tonight. Cubs, who do you think Whitewater throws in the Concordia game tomorrow? What do you think their options are?
Knowing they are going to have to beat Concordia and La Crosse today, GBMAN was probably right when he said Nompleggi and Morgan.
I would assume Nompleggi gets the ball against Concordia and Morgan gets the ball against La Crosse if they win the first game.
However knowing they have to win four games to make it to Appleton, it wouldn't shock me to see Renz or Olejniczak get the ball against Concordia knowing they are going to have to get innings from some other guys eventually.
I could see Renz or Olly in game 1 and Nompleggi in game 2. The later three like 2 or 3 innings on Wednesday. Is his confidence shaken?
Nompleggi with the start and staked to an early 4-0 lead....
Quote from: cubs on May 16, 2015, 11:34:17 AM
Nompleggi with the start and staked to an early 4-0 lead....
5-0 with a Pirece solo homer
Nompleggi seems to have put Wednesday's outing behind him, as he has thrown six shutout innings thus far....
Whitewater 7
Concordia 0
Bottom 7th Inning
With a win, Whitewater will be half way to the required six straight wins to get to Appleton after losing on Wednesday.
Concordia chases Nompleggi with two outs in the 7th inning....
Finn comes on and gives up a single, hits a batter with the bases loaded, and a throwing error by the catcher on a pick-off throw makes it 7-2 as the game heads to the 8th inning....
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on May 15, 2015, 08:33:03 PM
18 shutout innings against tournament level teams is impressive to say the least.
The streak ends at 24 2/3 as a Warhawk RP hits a batter with the bases loaded to force in a run...
If Whitewater holds on for the win, will be interesting to see if we get Cejka vs Morgan in the elimination game against La Crosse...
8-7 CUC. WHITEWATER mets down
What a comeback by Concordia -- five in the bottom of the ninth set up by three consecutive walks and a balk.
UWW led 7-0 at the 7th inning stretch. CUC scored 2 in the 7th and 1 in the 8th. CUC had one man on with two outs in the ninth and the went walk, walk, walk (run), balk (run), double (2 runs), single (run) for the win.
Should have went with grove with 1 on and 2 out.
Quote from: mr_b on May 16, 2015, 01:53:16 PM
What a comeback by Concordia -- five in the bottom of the ninth set up by three consecutive walks and a balk.
Attboy, Smitty!!! In your corner all the way through! It may say Concordia on the jersey, but I know there is a lot of Carthage in your heart!
Monumental win by point over anderson do they go beau next game now I'd take gamble and go hanke even though he hasn't pitched in college then go beau and kowalke
Ultimately, Point's offense fails to show up again, as they see their season end with a 4-2 defeat at the hands of Webster.
For a team that had questions with their pitching staff coming into the season, their pitchers did enough to give them a chance to win as evidenced by being on the losing end of identical 4-2 scores at Regionals.
Quote from: cubs on May 13, 2015, 04:59:08 PM
Ripon 15
Whitewater 7
FINAL
Would LOVE to hear the rationale behind starting your #4 pitcher from Vodenlich... Don't get it whatsoever!!!!
I can 't speak for Vo but only for myself. I thought we might go with Bachar. He's been pitching well but so had Nompleggi. In hindsight Vo may have made a different decision. But his decision to go with Nompleggi wasn't without rational thought. The
WARHAWKS have dominated Ripon. I don't know the exact W-L record but it's something like 20+ wins to fewer that 5 losses. Unfortunately we weren't able to see them play this year because both dates we scheduled with them were cancelled by the weather. Going into the game Nompleggi was 5-0 with an ERA under 3.5. He was fourth on the staff in innings pitched and he'd pitched well in both of his previous starts (Oshkosh and Stout). We did use Morgan, one of our top two, in relief and he struggled giving up 8 runs, 5 earned, 8 hits and walking 4 in five innings. So who's to say that Ripon wouldn't have been successful against anyone we threw.
I give Ripon a lot of credit. They clearly came ready to play. They were solid defensively and it seemed like everything they hit was just out of the reach of our fielders. Meanwhile nearly everything we tried didn't work. We walked Polcyn only to have the hitter behind him grand slam us. We seemed to be emotionally flat. It was just one of those days. Sometimes you roll the dice and snake eyes come up. Nobody has the benefit of hindsight until it's over.
And, frankly, it paled in comparison to what happened Saturday against Concordia-Chicago.
Congrats to UW-Lacrosse. I hope they do well in Appleton. Schwartz has done a good job building that program after it appeared the university wanted to shut it down. Good luck, Eagles.
So that's kind of weird...
http://www.riponpress.com/main.asp?SectionID=3&SubSectionID=40&ArticleID=8756
Good luck to him whatever he decides to do.
Quote from: Just Bill on July 13, 2015, 12:07:29 PM
So that's kind of weird...
http://www.riponpress.com/main.asp?SectionID=3&SubSectionID=40&ArticleID=8756
As I mentioned in both of the other threads that I posted the same article in, it's really not a surprise to anyone who happened to follow his college career...
I still haven't gotten over the fact he screwed point over. When he called it quits at Milwaukee I'd have thought he would've gone to point rather than Oshkosh. Didn't seem to want to play for a legit national title contender.
Quote from: ShineTime on July 13, 2015, 11:29:14 PM
I still haven't gotten over the fact he screwed point over. When he called it quits at Milwaukee I'd have thought he would've gone to point rather than Oshkosh. Didn't seem to want to play for a legit national title contender.
That had absolutely NOTHING to do with it...
As of April 28, 2016
Midwest Region
1 UW-La Crosse 23-6-0 ( 0.793) 23-6-0 ( 0.793)
2 St. Thomas 21-5-0 ( 0.808) 21-5-0 ( 0.808)
3 UW-Whitewater 20-6-0 ( 0.769) 20-6-0 ( 0.769)
4 Concordia Chicago 27-8-0 ( 0.771) 27-8-0 ( 0.771)
5 St. Mary's (Minn.) 20-11-1 ( 0.641) 20-12-1 ( 0.621)
6 St. Scholastica 19-7-0 ( 0.731) 19-7-0 ( 0.731)
No surprise at all with the top four spots. I think St. Johns will probably take over that 5 spot instead of St. Mary's next week (They swept St. Thomas last weekend).
Quote from: therocket21 on April 29, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
No surprise at all with the top four spots. I think St. Johns will probably take over that 5 spot instead of St. Mary's next week (They swept St. Thomas last weekend).
St. Scholastica faces Northwestern this weekend in a battle of 10-0 UMAC teams. Should CSS stumble, they could fall out entirely, and I am not certain that UNW would be strong enough slide into the #6 spot.
Quote from: cubs on July 14, 2015, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on July 13, 2015, 11:29:14 PM
I still haven't gotten over the fact he screwed point over. When he called it quits at Milwaukee I'd have thought he would've gone to point rather than Oshkosh. Didn't seem to want to play for a legit national title contender.
That had absolutely NOTHING to do with it...
WTH are you talking about?
St. Scholastica faces Northwestern this weekend in a battle of 10-0 UMAC teams. Should CSS stumble, they could fall out entirely, and I am not certain that UNW would be strong enough slide into the #6 spot.
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Well BP, you called it! Did not see that one coming!
http://www.csssaints.com/news/2016/4/30/baseball-saints-split-doubleheader-with-northwestern.aspx
I also heard that the UMAC has now switched up the format for the conference tournament? Not sure if it is true, but heard that there is a chance Northwestern could now host the UMAC tourney even if they both win out!
Quote from: therocket21 on May 02, 2016, 12:58:57 PM
St. Scholastica faces Northwestern this weekend in a battle of 10-0 UMAC teams. Should CSS stumble, they could fall out entirely, and I am not certain that UNW would be strong enough slide into the #6 spot.
Well BP, you called it! Did not see that one coming!
http://www.csssaints.com/news/2016/4/30/baseball-saints-split-doubleheader-with-northwestern.aspx
I also heard that the UMAC has now switched up the format for the conference tournament? Not sure if it is true, but heard that there is a chance Northwestern could now host the UMAC tourney even if they both win out!
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The UMAC just got very interesting... as did the Midwest Regional Rankings. The loss by St. Scholastica to Northwestern could be trouble for the Saints. They could slide right out of the regional rankings...
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 02, 2016, 01:50:31 PM
The UMAC just got very interesting... as did the Midwest Regional Rankings. The loss by St. Scholastica to Northwestern could be trouble for the Saints. They could slide right out of the regional rankings...
In the big picture does it really matter though?
How many Pool C bids are their this season? 14 I believe?
How often has the #6 team in the Midwest Regional Rankings earned a Pool C bid? I wouldn't think it would be all that common.
Quote from: cubs on May 02, 2016, 03:12:52 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 02, 2016, 01:50:31 PM
The UMAC just got very interesting... as did the Midwest Regional Rankings. The loss by St. Scholastica to Northwestern could be trouble for the Saints. They could slide right out of the regional rankings...
In the big picture does it really matter though?
How many Pool C bids are their this season? 14 I believe?
How often has the #6 team in the Midwest Regional Rankings earned a Pool C bid? I wouldn't think it would be all that common.
Agreed. Think CSS just needs to focus on taking care of business in the conference tourney which they should. They have had close run ins before so not unheard of here. By the way this is probably the toughest non conference schedule they have ever had just unfortunate the bottom couple umac teams really bring down their SOS. Also they two games against St Thomas coming their way that could change regional rankings
Just curious seeing UWW ahead of CUC in the rankings despite CUC sweeping Whitewater in the DH they played a few weeks back. Though I think it's due to the fact that the rest of the NACC is mired in a down year.
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on May 03, 2016, 02:19:37 PM
Just curious seeing UWW ahead of CUC in the rankings despite CUC sweeping Whitewater in the DH they played a few weeks back. Though I think it's due to the fact that the rest of the NACC is mired in a down year.
New rankings have flipped CUC and UWW...
Midwest Region
1 Wis.-La Crosse 26-7-0 ( 0.788) 26-7-0 ( 0.788)
2 Concordia Chicago 28-9-0 ( 0.757) 28-9-0 ( 0.757)
3 Wis.-Whitewater 22-9-0 ( 0.710) 22-9-0 ( 0.710)
4 St. Thomas (MN) 23-9-0 ( 0.719) 23-9-0 ( 0.719)
5 Saint Mary's (MN) 22-11-1 ( 0.662) 22-12-1 ( 0.643)
6 Saint John's (MN) 25-9-0 ( 0.735) 25-10-0 ( 0.714)
Of note: St Scholastica's loss to Northwestern pushed them out of the Midwest rankings. Appears that the UMAC title will likely be their only shot as a Pool C looks out of reach at this point.(Though they have NEVER NOT won the UMAC title).
CSS swept st Thomas today. Should bump them back into regional rankings. St. John's was swept so imagine they will swap positions but don't think their is another ranking before the selection
Be interesting to see what happens since cuc, ust, uww all lost multiple game this week.
In my eyes all these teams are about equal except LAX.
The Tommies better figure things out tonight or they are done! The rankings on D3 are wrong, according to NCAA.com, St Johns is out and CSS are the #6 behind the Tommies, tough pill for CSS to swallow considering the sweep this past weekend. I don't see the MIAC getting a C bid with all the upsets around the country.
Here's the link to the NCAA Regional Rankings
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3
Well, doesn't look like the Tommies figured it out. They have now lost five in a row. Could St. Mary's still get a pool C if they don't win the tournament? They have consistently been in the regional rankings and I'm wondering if there is any chance for two MIAC teams to get in?
At what point does St. Scholastica look to leave the UMAC for baseball? They just won their 19th straight UMAC title. It's not even a contest for them anymore.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2016, 07:42:57 AM
At what point does St. Scholastica look to leave the UMAC for baseball? They just won their 19th straight UMAC title. It's not even a contest for them anymore.
Probably not going to happen for many reasons. Would the conference let them stay in all other sports if they try to opt out in just baseball? Also not in their best interest to go Independent and hope they get picked for a pool B bid, they have been there done that. Why CSS is not in the MIAC has been discussed a lot in the past on here as well. Plus there is a thing called loyalty.
I think the better question is when does the rest of the UMAC in baseball improve? The problem is the bottom of the UMAC has always been so poor. Bethany Lutheran dropping off so much has hurt. Bringing in UWS helps some but North Central really hurts. Who knows maybe if the MIAC schools continue to have tuition at over $42,000-65,000 per year, it will convince some kids to go play ball somewhere more affordable.
But maybe it will never get much better since Minnesota is oversaturated with the number of division 2 and 3 baseball programs.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2016, 07:42:57 AM
At what point does St. Scholastica look to leave the UMAC for baseball? They just won their 19th straight UMAC title. It's not even a contest for them anymore.
Does it matter that much when your main goal involves the NCAA tournament and you play more games against the WIAC/MIAC than you do against the UMAC in the regular season?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2016, 07:42:57 AM
At what point does St. Scholastica look to leave the UMAC for baseball? They just won their 19th straight UMAC title. It's not even a contest for them anymore.
The Tommies won their 12th straight MIAC Womens Track & Field title, where should they go? ;D
I think CSS has a good gig, they get a ton of non-conference games to play whoever they want from the MIAC & WIAC. Looking at their schedule it looks like Carleton was the only soft spot as far as out of conference. Would have been nice to see the matchup against St. John's that got cancelled. Perhaps we'll see it next week.
Quote from: therocket21 on May 13, 2016, 09:21:03 AM
Well, doesn't look like the Tommies figured it out. They have now lost five in a row. Could St. Mary's still get a pool C if they don't win the tournament? They have consistently been in the regional rankings and I'm wondering if there is any chance for two MIAC teams to get in?
I think it is a longshot. St. Mary's is a combined 4-9 vs. Augustana, St. Scholastica, LaCrosse, St. Thomas and St. John's. They have a high overall SOS (smart playing OAC teams, even if they don't play great schedules they get connected to second-level points of those who did), but few if any signature wins.
It's too bad the Two-Tournament rule went away long ago. The Minnesota schools could sponsor a tournament in the new Minneapolis stadium and bring in teams from around the country and play several games in a great facility -- but with only 40 games, it's hard to do that now.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 14, 2016, 11:56:12 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2016, 07:42:57 AM
At what point does St. Scholastica look to leave the UMAC for baseball? They just won their 19th straight UMAC title. It's not even a contest for them anymore.
Probably not going to happen for many reasons. Would the conference let them stay in all other sports if they try to opt out in just baseball? Also not in their best interest to go Independent and hope they get picked for a pool B bid, they have been there done that. Why CSS is not in the MIAC has been discussed a lot in the past on here as well. Plus there is a thing called loyalty.
I think the better question is when does the rest of the UMAC in baseball improve? The problem is the bottom of the UMAC has always been so poor. Bethany Lutheran dropping off so much has hurt. Bringing in UWS helps some but North Central really hurts. Who knows maybe if the MIAC schools continue to have tuition at over $42,000-65,000 per year, it will convince some kids to go play ball somewhere more affordable.
But maybe it will never get much better since Minnesota is oversaturated with the number of division 2 and 3 baseball programs.
I think the WIAC might seriously consider adding CSS as a baseball only affiliate. But I don't see CSS leaving the UMAC anytime soon.
That would be a good move for the WIAC.
But I agree, I do not think CSS will move.
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on May 16, 2016, 04:42:58 PM
That would be a good move for the WIAC.
But I agree, I do not think CSS will move.
WIAC needs to add SOMEone or risk losing their Pool A bid.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2016, 04:55:55 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on May 16, 2016, 04:42:58 PM
That would be a good move for the WIAC.
But I agree, I do not think CSS will move.
WIAC needs to add SOMEone or risk losing their Pool A bid.
Not sure they care so much. Their best team in most years is likely the top Pool B candidate, and a second team would also have a good shot. I imagine only Platteville and Stout would object because they don't have the "one week miracle run" option to make the tournament.
It was announced today that Fox Cities Stadium will no longer be host to the D3 College World Series after the 2018 Championships.
http://wbay.com/2016/10/20/ncaa-baseball-championship-to-leave-fox-cities-after-2018/
Any guesses as to who might put in a bid to host starting in 2019?
I would not be surprised to see UWL put in a bid...
Quote from: bulk19 on October 20, 2016, 06:49:05 PM
I would not be surprised to see UWL put in a bid...
They might try, but they would have to get a huge favor from the Loggers. The new NCAA calendar in 2019 puts the Finals the week AFTER Memorial Day weekend. The Northwoods League traditionally starts play on the Tuesday following Memorial Day. So the Loggers would have to agree to play their first 6-7 games on the road. Northwoods teams generally don't spend more than 3-4 days in a row in the road.
Not that they can't work it out with the Loggers, but that will be big ask if UWL wants to go for it.
I think the best candidate is going to be a school or league with access to minor league stadium (like Appleton) and probably in a part of the country less prone to spring rain. A minor league team has more ability to vacate for an entire week than a collegiate summer team does. In the Midwest/Central Region, I'd keep an eye on Cedar Rapids, Iowa. They have been a good partner in hosting the IIAC Tournament for years. This seems like something they might want to do.
Has the Midwest Regional site for this year been announced? It seems like it was the last one announced the past couple of years ... but I may have missed something.
Good points, Just Bill. Off the top of my head I thought with the upgrades the team (Loggers) has made to its ballpark, it might be an attractive venue...
You, however, point out the logistics of scheduling, which I agree would be a big problem... Now that I think about it, depending upon when NCAA bids are due and determined and when the Loggers schedule is set, they might not even be able to coordinate a week's use...
So, never mind! ;)
Oldest player in college baseball!
http://www.kare11.com/sports/oldest-player-in-college-baseball-is-making-the-most-of-his-second-chance/415153453
Good luck to him.
Quote from: 108 Stitches on March 01, 2017, 10:13:31 AM
Oldest player in college baseball!
http://www.kare11.com/sports/oldest-player-in-college-baseball-is-making-the-most-of-his-second-chance/415153453
Great article. That is pure D-3!
Midwest Regional Rankings
1. Wisconsin Whitewater
2. Concordia Chicago
3. St. Scholastica
4. St. Thomas (Minnesota)
5. Concordia Wisconsin
6. Wisconsin-La Crosse
7. Benedictine (Illinois)
8. Wisconsin-Oshkosh
Surprised to see just one MIAC team while three WIAC teams made the list. Thought Bethel might have done enough to crack the rankings.
Quote from: cubs on April 27, 2017, 12:43:56 PM
Midwest Regional Rankings
1. Wisconsin Whitewater
2. Concordia Chicago
3. St. Scholastica
4. St. Thomas (Minnesota)
5. Concordia Wisconsin
6. Wisconsin-La Crosse
7. Benedictine (Illinois)
8. Wisconsin-Oshkosh
Surprised to see just one MIAC team while three WIAC teams made the list. Thought Bethel might have done enough to crack the rankings.
The 2nd/3rd WIAC team(s) need to hope for faves to win Pool A bid. CSS is all but a lock in the UMAC. Nice to see Benedictine in the mix as former CU-C coach Adam Smith has made an immediate impact on his new program. WIAC should be at least a two-bid league, MIAC should be a one-bid league....Interesting to see three NathCon teams in the mix... that league has really taken off in past 5 years.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 27, 2017, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: cubs on April 27, 2017, 12:43:56 PM
Midwest Regional Rankings
1. Wisconsin Whitewater
2. Concordia Chicago
3. St. Scholastica
4. St. Thomas (Minnesota)
5. Concordia Wisconsin
6. Wisconsin-La Crosse
7. Benedictine (Illinois)
8. Wisconsin-Oshkosh
Surprised to see just one MIAC team while three WIAC teams made the list. Thought Bethel might have done enough to crack the rankings.
The 2nd/3rd WIAC team(s) need to hope for faves to win Pool A bid. CSS is all but a lock in the UMAC. Nice to see Benedictine in the mix as former CU-C coach Adam Smith has made an immediate impact on his new program. WIAC should be at least a two-bid league, MIAC should be a one-bid league....Interesting to see three NathCon teams in the mix... that league has really taken off in past 5 years.
Kind of surprising to see BU on there. They've have had up and down stretches throughout conference play. Though having three wins against regionally ranked teams helps. They have a solid chance to pick up 1-2 more today against CUC.
Week #2 Midwest Regional Rankings
1. Wisconsin Whitewater
2. Concordia Chicago
3. St. Thomas (Minnesota)
4. St. Scholastica
5. Concordia Wisconsin
6. Wisconsin-La Crosse
7. Bethel (Minnesota)
8. Benedictine (Illinois)
So Whitewater/Concordia-Chicago stay #1/2, St. Thomas and St. Scholastica flip-flop at #3/4, Concordia-Wisconsin and La Crosse stay at #5/6, and Bethel replaces UWO coming in at #7, while Benedictine drops to #8.
CSS beats Bethel today 4-0 with only giving up 2 hits. They have 2 against tommies on Sunday.
I've been on a board break for a while, but I think it's time to break the silence. As I look through this Midwest Region this could be the year that I believe it's anyone's regional to be had. Sadly I believe that the MIAC may only be a 1-bid conference which is frightening given the Tommies past couple years in the MIAC tourney. Same can be said for the WIAC, if WW takes care of business, as is tradition, that will leave LAX with 17 losses and even though their SOS is crazy good, a 17 loss team getting a C bid is RARE, again if Tommies stumble that leaves them a 16 loss C candidate. In the MIAC we can look to Bethel with a chance, but SOS (as usual) is poor. Great record, but play some good teams already! Bethel's "Best offense in the MIAC" got dominated by St Scholastica's #3 and had 2 hits, at home! Getting to see the Tommies vs St. Scholastica on Sunday was an eye opener, the St. Scholastica offense is pretty solid top to bottom, and their game 1 pitching was solid. Game 2 for both teams looked to be a playoff prep with both teams taking out some of their regulars and pitching guys that have very little stats to speak of, SS is a strong#4 seed. It was nice to see the Tommies middle of the order get rolling in that 2nd game, hopefully that carries over.
A-Bids
MIAC - St. Thomas
WIAC - UW Whitewater
UMAC - St. Scholastica
NACC - Conc-Chicago
C-Bid Hopefuls
WIAC - UW Lax (SOS puts them in the talks)
MIAC - Bethel (SOS may keep them from being a lock)
UMAC - Temps in hell still above freezing
NACC - Conc. Wis (Making the Conf. Tournament final is a MUST)
The Midwest Regional will be a 6 team, with a strong Central team coming up as a 2 or 3 seed and one of those three C-bid hopeful's makes it just to fill it out.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 10, 2017, 01:47:30 PM
I've been on a board break for a while, but I think it's time to break the silence. As I look through this Midwest Region this could be the year that I believe it's anyone's regional to be had. Sadly I believe that the MIAC may only be a 1-bid conference which is frightening given the Tommies past couple years in the MIAC tourney. Same can be said for the WIAC, if WW takes care of business, as is tradition, that will leave LAX with 17 losses and even though their SOS is crazy good, a 17 loss team getting a C bid is RARE, again if Tommies stumble that leaves them a 16 loss C candidate. In the MIAC we can look to Bethel with a chance, but SOS (as usual) is poor. Great record, but play some good teams already! Bethel's "Best offense in the MIAC" got dominated by St Scholastica's #3 and had 2 hits, at home! Getting to see the Tommies vs St. Scholastica on Sunday was an eye opener, the St. Scholastica offense is pretty solid top to bottom, and their game 1 pitching was solid. Game 2 for both teams looked to be a playoff prep with both teams taking out some of their regulars and pitching guys that have very little stats to speak of, SS is a strong#4 seed. It was nice to see the Tommies middle of the order get rolling in that 2nd game, hopefully that carries over.
A-Bids
MIAC - St. Thomas
WIAC - UW Whitewater
UMAC - St. Scholastica
NACC - Conc-Chicago
C-Bid Hopefuls
WIAC - UW Lax (SOS puts them in the talks)
MIAC - Bethel (SOS may keep them from being a lock)
UMAC - Temps in hell still above freezing
NACC - Conc. Wis (Making the Conf. Tournament final is a MUST)
The Midwest Regional will be a 6 team, with a strong Central team coming up as a 2 or 3 seed and one of those three C-bid hopeful's makes it just to fill it out.
There is NO strong Central team this season. But if any, I could see the CCIW champ or WashU being shipped in.
I don't see Washington or the CCIW champ going to the Midwest. The Central needs as many of the best teams as they can get.
I would like to see Dubuque get in as a reward for their fine season. They would be a perfect team to ship to the Midwest Regional if they need a nearby team to round out the regional.
We could see an eight team regional with 2 WIAC, 2 MIAC, 2 NACC, St Norbert, St. Scholastica. I cold see a team out of this scenerio shipped if Dubuque in in to bolster the Central competition.
I've been told that WHITEWATER will be hosting an 8 team regional.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 10, 2017, 07:44:35 PM
I've been told that WHITEWATER will be hosting an 8 team regional.
I expect they are told to expect an eight team regional. The distribution of teams is not yet known.
Week #3 Midwest Regional Rankings
1. Wisconsin Whitewater
2. Concordia Chicago
3. St. Scholastica
4. St. Thomas
5. Wisconsin-La Crosse
6. Bethel
7. Concordia Wisconsin
8. Saint John's
So we see St. Scholastica and St. Thomas "flip-flop" in the #3 and #4 spot this week, Concordia-Wisconsin drop two spots from #5 to #7, and St. John's enter the rankings at #8 in place of Benedictine.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 10, 2017, 01:47:30 PM
I've been on a board break for a while, but I think it's time to break the silence. As I look through this Midwest Region this could be the year that I believe it's anyone's regional to be had. Sadly I believe that the MIAC may only be a 1-bid conference which is frightening given the Tommies past couple years in the MIAC tourney. Same can be said for the WIAC, if WW takes care of business, as is tradition, that will leave LAX with 17 losses and even though their SOS is crazy good, a 17 loss team getting a C bid is RARE, again if Tommies stumble that leaves them a 16 loss C candidate. In the MIAC we can look to Bethel with a chance, but SOS (as usual) is poor. Great record, but play some good teams already! Bethel's "Best offense in the MIAC" got dominated by St Scholastica's #3 and had 2 hits, at home! Getting to see the Tommies vs St. Scholastica on Sunday was an eye opener, the St. Scholastica offense is pretty solid top to bottom, and their game 1 pitching was solid. Game 2 for both teams looked to be a playoff prep with both teams taking out some of their regulars and pitching guys that have very little stats to speak of, SS is a strong#4 seed. It was nice to see the Tommies middle of the order get rolling in that 2nd game, hopefully that carries over.
A-Bids
MIAC - St. Thomas
WIAC - UW Whitewater
UMAC - St. Scholastica
NACC - Conc-Chicago
C-Bid Hopefuls
WIAC - UW Lax (SOS puts them in the talks)
MIAC - Bethel (SOS may keep them from being a lock)
UMAC - Temps in hell still above freezing
NACC - Conc. Wis (Making the Conf. Tournament final is a MUST)
The Midwest Regional will be a 6 team, with a strong Central team coming up as a 2 or 3 seed and one of those three C-bid hopeful's makes it just to fill it out.
I'll be the first to admit that I haven't followed the Minnesota schools as much as I normally do, so with that said, the first question I would ask is do any of them have the depth in their starting rotation #1-4 to win a Regional?
The reason I ask, is that I think the quartet of Jones/Renz/Wuethrich/Kaska that Whitewater will be able to send out their might be one of the deepest and talented rotations Vodenlich has had and as we all know, it always seems to come down to pitching this time of year.
I have gone on record stating that the WIAC was a one-bid league this year, however with La Crosse sticking at #5 in the Regional Rankings this week, assuming there aren't any upsets in the other Midwest Tournaments (WIAC, MIAC, NACC, and UMAC) they would likely be at the table from the start to represent the region. If that is the case, that SOS number might just be enough to overcome the 17 losses.
I think the WIAC is almost always a two-bid league (or three some years). The committee understands their schedules and losses in the WIAC are not as devastating as losses in other conferences.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2017, 12:30:38 PM
I think the WIAC is almost always a two-bid league (or three some years). The committee understands their schedules and losses in the WIAC are not as devastating as losses in other conferences.
I would tend to agree with you if there was a "clear cut" #2 team in the WIAC this season, but as evidenced by the three-way tie for second place at 11-9, I'm not sure I could pick one..... Of course if Boushley is on the mound, I would probably take La Crosse over the other two.
Quote from: cubs on May 11, 2017, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 10, 2017, 01:47:30 PM
I've been on a board break for a while, but I think it's time to break the silence. As I look through this Midwest Region this could be the year that I believe it's anyone's regional to be had. Sadly I believe that the MIAC may only be a 1-bid conference which is frightening given the Tommies past couple years in the MIAC tourney. Same can be said for the WIAC, if WW takes care of business, as is tradition, that will leave LAX with 17 losses and even though their SOS is crazy good, a 17 loss team getting a C bid is RARE, again if Tommies stumble that leaves them a 16 loss C candidate. In the MIAC we can look to Bethel with a chance, but SOS (as usual) is poor. Great record, but play some good teams already! Bethel's "Best offense in the MIAC" got dominated by St Scholastica's #3 and had 2 hits, at home! Getting to see the Tommies vs St. Scholastica on Sunday was an eye opener, the St. Scholastica offense is pretty solid top to bottom, and their game 1 pitching was solid. Game 2 for both teams looked to be a playoff prep with both teams taking out some of their regulars and pitching guys that have very little stats to speak of, SS is a strong#4 seed. It was nice to see the Tommies middle of the order get rolling in that 2nd game, hopefully that carries over.
A-Bids
MIAC - St. Thomas
WIAC - UW Whitewater
UMAC - St. Scholastica
NACC - Conc-Chicago
C-Bid Hopefuls
WIAC - UW Lax (SOS puts them in the talks)
MIAC - Bethel (SOS may keep them from being a lock)
UMAC - Temps in hell still above freezing
NACC - Conc. Wis (Making the Conf. Tournament final is a MUST)
The Midwest Regional will be a 6 team, with a strong Central team coming up as a 2 or 3 seed and one of those three C-bid hopeful's makes it just to fill it out.
I'll be the first to admit that I haven't followed the Minnesota schools as much as I normally do, so with that said, the first question I would ask is do any of them have the depth in their starting rotation #1-4 to win a Regional?
The reason I ask, is that I think the quartet of Jones/Renz/Wuethrich/Kaska that Whitewater will be able to send out their might be one of the deepest and talented rotations Vodenlich has had and as we all know, it always seems to come down to pitching this time of year.
I have gone on record stating that the WIAC was a one-bid league this year, however with La Crosse sticking at #5 in the Regional Rankings this week, assuming there aren't any upsets in the other Midwest Tournaments (WIAC, MIAC, NACC, and UMAC) they would likely be at the table from the start to represent the region. If that is the case, that SOS number might just be enough to overcome the 17 losses.
CSS is 5-3 against those currently ranked in the region. With splitting against UWWs top two pitchers (CSS didn't throw their top two) and beat Boushley with LAX. They also just shutout Bethel and gave up 1 run to the tommies in the first game of a DH.
CSS's pitching depth is always a question as the UMAC is so weak they can usually get by throwing just about anyone and have the ability to use their top arms for big non-conference games. I know that many think the UMAC is better than many years but when CSS has won every single UMAC title ever, and did it again this season, I see that as a sign they aren't tested in league. Still, I like CSS this season and I have seen their recruiting efforts spill more into the Twin Cites in past 2-3 years than it has before.
They are no longer content with just getting to the regional and appear to making a legitimate run at it the past few seasons.
Tommies pretty much pounded the nail in the coffin today. Decaster getting hit all over the yard today was not expected, gotta feeling it's going to be a 3rd straight season without a regiona berth. Huge MAC fan right now!
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 10, 2017, 01:47:30 PM
Sadly I believe that the MIAC may only be a 1-bid conference which is frightening given the Tommies past couple years in the MIAC tourney. Same can be said for the WIAC, if WW takes care of business, as is tradition, that will leave LAX with 17 losses and even though their SOS is crazy good, a 17 loss team getting a C bid is RARE, again if Tommies stumble that leaves them a 16 loss C candidate. In the MIAC we can look to Bethel with a chance, but SOS (as usual) is poor. Great record, but play some good teams already! Bethel's "Best offense in the MIAC" got dominated by St Scholastica's #3 and had 2 hits, at home!
According to the projections that Pat and his staff have made, they think the MIAC gets not just one, but two Pool C bids along with La Crosse being a virtual Pool C "lock."
Here are the teams that made the tournament (http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2017/2017-playoff-field)
Midwest Region Hosted by Wisconsin-Whitewater, Whitewater, Wis.
1. UW-Whitewater
2. Concordia-Chicago
3. Adrian
4. St. Scholastica
5. UW-La Crosse
6. St. Thomas
7. Macalester
8. St. Norbert
Here are the FINAL Regional Rankings:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3
1. Wisconsin Whitewater
2. Concordia Chicago
3. St. Scholastica
4. Wisconsin-La Crosse
5. St. Thomas
6. Bethel
7. Concordia Wisconsin
8. Saint John's
*Of note, Adrian, who is being shipped into the Midwest Regional, was ranked #3 in the final Mideast Region Rankings.
Word on the street is St Scholastica will be hosting the Midwest regional at Wade Stadium
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 05, 2018, 11:54:55 AM
Word on the street is St Scholastica will be hosting the Midwest regional at Wade Stadium
I'd be shocked if that actually happens. Great venue, but the city is nearly impossible to work with regarding that stadium. I know the high school and MSHSL organizations have always had issues. High School playoffs were moved away from Wade at last minute last year and schools were forced to scramble even though they had dates locked in for Wade Stadium. City of Duluth just decided they didn't want to host it.
Still, if they can make it happen, it would be a great addition to the tourney. Great city, a lot to do and cool venue. (Still, there is a chance it could snow... welcome to Duluth. I had a high school game there last year on May 13th that was 34* w 20 mph winds off Lake Superior (just one week ahead of NCAA tourney) ... with snow flurries...enjoy)
http://csssaints.com/news/2018/2/5/st-scholastica-to-host-2018-ncaa-midwest-baseball-regional.aspx
Great for CSS!
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 05, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
http://csssaints.com/news/2018/2/5/st-scholastica-to-host-2018-ncaa-midwest-baseball-regional.aspx
Great for CSS!
BigPoppa is shocked!
Quote from: Just Bill on February 05, 2018, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 05, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
http://csssaints.com/news/2018/2/5/st-scholastica-to-host-2018-ncaa-midwest-baseball-regional.aspx
Great for CSS!
BigPoppa is shocked!
WOW! You are not kidding.... stunned!
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 05, 2018, 03:20:59 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 05, 2018, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 05, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
http://csssaints.com/news/2018/2/5/st-scholastica-to-host-2018-ncaa-midwest-baseball-regional.aspx
Great for CSS!
BigPoppa is shocked!
WOW! You are not kidding.... stunned!
... where everyone is more than 500 miles away...
Good for them.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2018, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 05, 2018, 03:20:59 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 05, 2018, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 05, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
http://csssaints.com/news/2018/2/5/st-scholastica-to-host-2018-ncaa-midwest-baseball-regional.aspx
Great for CSS!
BigPoppa is shocked!
WOW! You are not kidding.... stunned!
... where everyone is more than 500 miles away...
Good for them.
Only those outside the Midwest region are. . All of miac is within 250, only a couple in WIAC are over 300. NCAA has already proven they are willing to fly teams so that can solve moving a team into the region if need be. Now a Midwest regional will get played at an appropriate size field
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 05, 2018, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2018, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 05, 2018, 03:20:59 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 05, 2018, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 05, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
http://csssaints.com/news/2018/2/5/st-scholastica-to-host-2018-ncaa-midwest-baseball-regional.aspx
Great for CSS!
BigPoppa is shocked!
WOW! You are not kidding.... stunned!
... where everyone is more than 500 miles away...
Good for them.
Only those outside the Midwest region are. . All of miac is within 250, only a couple in WIAC are over 300. NCAA has already proven they are willing to fly teams so that can solve moving a team into the region if need be. Now a Midwest regional will get played at an appropriate size field
Thanks for the comment on the field size. +1!
In any case, you are looking at 2-4 plane flights in the West Region, depending on who hosts.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2018, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 05, 2018, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2018, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 05, 2018, 03:20:59 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 05, 2018, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 05, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
http://csssaints.com/news/2018/2/5/st-scholastica-to-host-2018-ncaa-midwest-baseball-regional.aspx
Great for CSS!
And Duluth is only a two hour bus ride from the Twin Cities should teams need to be flown in. I really think people from outside the region are going to fall in love with the City of Duluth.
A quick drive up the north shore is one of the most beautiful rides in America... amazing scenery, waterfalls galore, state parks and lighthouses and Betty's Pies.
BigPoppa is shocked!
WOW! You are not kidding.... stunned!
... where everyone is more than 500 miles away...
Good for them.
Only those outside the Midwest region are. . All of miac is within 250, only a couple in WIAC are over 300. NCAA has already proven they are willing to fly teams so that can solve moving a team into the region if need be. Now a Midwest regional will get played at an appropriate size field
Thanks for the comment on the field size. +1!
In any case, you are looking at 2-4 plane flights in the West Region, depending on who hosts.
In case anyone is near the Twin Cities metro and wants to catch a game at US Bank Stadium
https://www.usbankstadium.com/events/us-bank-stadium-baseball-games (https://www.usbankstadium.com/events/us-bank-stadium-baseball-games)
March
DATE TIME OPPONENTS
March 1 6:00 AM Century CC v. DCTC
March 1 10:00 PM U of M-Duluth v. Bemidji State
March 2 11:00 AM Illinois v. UCLA
March 2 3:00 PM Michigan State v. Washington
March 3 11:00 AM Michigan State v. UCLA
March 3 3:00 PM Illinois v. Arizona
March 4 10:00 AM Michigan State v. Arizona
March 4 2:00 PM Illinois v. Washington
March 5 6:00 AM Macalaster College v. U of M-Morris
March 5 11:00 AM Concordia-St. Paul v. Minot State
March 5 4:00 PM Northwestern-St. Paul v. St. Olaf
March 5 9:00 PM Century CC v. Oakton CC
March 6 6:00 AM Bethel University v. Northland College
March 6 11:00 AM St. Thomas v. University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse
March 6 11:00 PM Carleton v. Crown College
March 7 11:00 AM Augsburg v. University of Wisconsin-Superior
March 7 11:00 PM Hamline v. Stout
March 8 11:00 AM Superior v. Carroll University
March 8 4:00 PM Bethel v. Buena Vista
March 8 9:00 PM Bemdji State v. Upper Iowa
March 9 11:30 PM Hamline v. MSOE
March 10 6:00 AM McHenry County College v. Milwaukee Area Tech
March 10 11:00 AM St. Thomas University v. University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
March 10 11:30 PM St. Olaf v. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
March 11 7:00 AM Hamline University v. Milwaukee School of Engineering
March 11 11:30 PM St. Olaf v. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
March 29 6:00 AM Augsburg University v. Bethany Lutheran College
March 30 11:00 AM Hibbing Community College v. Western Technical College
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 28, 2018, 02:04:14 PM
In case anyone is near the Twin Cities metro and wants to catch a game at US Bank Stadium
https://www.usbankstadium.com/events/us-bank-stadium-baseball-games (https://www.usbankstadium.com/events/us-bank-stadium-baseball-games)
March
DATE TIME OPPONENTS
March 1 6:00 AM Century CC v. DCTC
March 1 10:00 PM U of M-Duluth v. Bemidji State
March 2 11:00 AM Illinois v. UCLA
March 2 3:00 PM Michigan State v. Washington
March 3 11:00 AM Michigan State v. UCLA
March 3 3:00 PM Illinois v. Arizona
March 4 10:00 AM Michigan State v. Arizona
March 4 2:00 PM Illinois v. Washington
March 5 6:00 AM Macalaster College v. U of M-Morris
March 5 11:00 AM Concordia-St. Paul v. Minot State
March 5 4:00 PM Northwestern-St. Paul v. St. Olaf
March 5 9:00 PM Century CC v. Oakton CC
March 6 6:00 AM Bethel University v. Northland College
March 6 11:00 AM St. Thomas v. University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse
March 6 11:00 PM Carleton v. Crown College
March 7 11:00 AM Augsburg v. University of Wisconsin-Superior
March 7 11:00 PM Hamline v. Stout
March 8 11:00 AM Superior v. Carroll University
March 8 4:00 PM Bethel v. Buena Vista
March 8 9:00 PM Bemdji State v. Upper Iowa
March 9 11:30 PM Hamline v. MSOE
March 10 6:00 AM McHenry County College v. Milwaukee Area Tech
March 10 11:00 AM St. Thomas University v. University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
March 10 11:30 PM St. Olaf v. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
March 11 7:00 AM Hamline University v. Milwaukee School of Engineering
March 11 11:30 PM St. Olaf v. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
March 29 6:00 AM Augsburg University v. Bethany Lutheran College
March 30 11:00 AM Hibbing Community College v. Western Technical College
Lots of D-3's in action!
CSS just swept Macalester at the bank on Tuesday
The first set of Regional Rankings come out this Thursday, so anyone want to take a chance as to what those might look like?
Here is my attempt:
1. Whitewater (17-3)
2. UWO (18-4)
3. Concordia-Chicago (20-8)
4. Stevens Point (18-5)
5. St. Scholastica (13-6)
6. Bethel (18-6)
7. St. John's (19-5)
Harder than normal year to evaluate teams from different conferences with the lack of NC games thanks to the crazy weather...
I think the UMAC has set a record. Lastest point in the season St. Scholastica that was not in first place.
Quote from: cubs on April 24, 2018, 10:13:15 AM
The first set of Regional Rankings come out this Thursday, so anyone want to take a chance as to what those might look like?
Here is my attempt:
1. Whitewater (17-3)
2. UWO (18-4)
3. Concordia-Chicago (20-8)
4. Stevens Point (18-5)
5. St. Scholastica (13-6)
6. Bethel (18-6)
7. St. John's (19-5)
Harder than normal year to evaluate teams from different conferences with the lack of NC games thanks to the crazy weather...
Well, apparently I under-rated Concordia-Chicago!!!
MIDWEST 1 Concordia Chicago 20-7 20-8
2 Wisconsin-Whitewater 17-3 17-3
3 Wisconsin-Oshkosh 18-4 18-4
4 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 18-5 18-5
5 Bethel (Minnesota) 17-5 17-5
6 Aurora 19-9 19-9
7 Wisconsin-La Crosse 14-9 14-9
8 Benedictine (Illinois) 15-8 15-8
Full ranking list:
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3/regional-rankings
Obviously Stevens Point will fall with three losses over the last two days, and when is the last time St. Scholastica wasn't in the Regional Rankings?
The WIAC teams are low because they have not played the bulk of the competition in the WIAC. One thing remains true. If any ranked team wins out, they are in.
Newest Rankings are out.... St. John's makes a big move after a 5-0 week (currently on a 10-game winning streak) to go from "unranked" all the way up to #4.
MIDWEST
1. Concordia Chicago 27-8 27-9
2 Wisconsin-Oshkosh 23-6 23-6
3 Wisconsin-Whitewater 22-4 22-4
4 Saint John's (Minnesota) 24-5 24-5
5 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 22-8 22-8
6 Wisconsin-La Crosse 18-9 18-9
7 Aurora 22-12 22-12
8 Bethel (Minnesota) 23-7 23-7
Here are the full rankings:
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3/regional-rankings
Week #3 Regional Rankings are out....
Midwest
1. Concordia Chicago 29-9 29-10
2. Wisconsin-Whitewater 27-5 27-5
3. Wisconsin-Oshkosh 26-7 26-7
4. Saint John's (Minnesota) 31-6 31-6
5. Bethel (Minnesota) 29-9 29-9
6. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 24-12 24-12
7. Wisconsin-La Crosse 21-12 21-12
8. Aurora 26-12 26-12
Top 4 remain the same, but in a slightly different order as Whitewater moves up to #2. Bethel is the beneficiary of poor weeks by both Stevens Point (5 losses) and La Crosse (3 losses) as they jump up from #8 to #5.
Here are the full rankings:
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3/regional-rankings
Grinnell cancels spring sports
All athletics events, including practices and competitions, are cancelled for the remainder of the semester.
https://www.grinnell.edu/news/important-covid-19-planning-updates
Quote from: gbpuckfan on March 11, 2020, 02:35:41 PM
Grinnell cancels spring sports
All athletics events, including practices and competitions, are cancelled for the remainder of the semester.
https://www.grinnell.edu/news/important-covid-19-planning-updates
on the positive side they will have more time to devote to school. Ironically, now with many schools moving to online for the remainder of the term, it wold be easier to get the "classwork" in for athletes on the road