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Quote from: pg04 on July 05, 2007, 09:44:54 PM
Another idea from the South Region...

They have 5 of the most prominent posters of that region vote for the top ten teams in the region each week of the season.  I'm figuring that we can do the same over here in the East Region, starting with a preseason ranking.  Please PM me if you'd like to be part of the "ranking" committee.

I'm not going to limit it to 5, however I only want serious people that will be part of it each week.  If you miss a week or your voting indicates that you are not taking it seriously, I will not include your ballot and you will not be allowed to do it again.  It's only fair. 

So, let me know.  I hope to have a Pre-season poll by the beginning of August!!

Quote from: JoseQViper on July 06, 2007, 04:32:47 PM
You should try to limit it to one poster per school, like the SID poll.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 07, 2007, 03:37:24 PM
Greetings pg04,

Matt Barnhart put the poll together.

He ran the poll and compiled the balloting.  He selected 2 posters from the Virginia area, 2 from Texas and one poster who had recent exposure in Pennsylvania and Texas, living in both areas.

It worked very well.  I believe that all of the South Region fans benefited in discussing the rankings in ways that were probably being discussed on the national level, while preserving the anonymity of Pat's process.  I don't think five is a magic number.  If you are happy with the quality of the voter, then we out-of-region fans will read it with great interest.

Good luck.

Quote from: Knightstalker on July 07, 2007, 11:28:27 PM
I would be willing to do it.  After all I can pretty much be unbiased, I have no football team to root for.

Quote from: Union89 on July 07, 2007, 02:04:27 PM
I would like to be involved in the voting process if possible.......sounds like an interesting idea.

Quote from: Union89 on July 08, 2007, 03:23:22 PM

Quote from: Union89 on July 07, 2007, 02:04:27 PM
I would like to be involved in the voting process if possible.......sounds like an interesting idea.

Am I the invisible man...or simply unwanted.... ;D

Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 08, 2007, 04:26:21 PM
Over on the D3Hoops.com poster poll last season, Mr Ypsi, the person in charge of the data, would list the rankings anonymously.  That published record of the rankings of the teams (e.g, SJF getting these rankings:  2,2,2,3,3,3,7) tends to bring the outliers back to the consensus.  The person putting SJF 7th either knows something that no one else does, or has a grudge, or is just trying to manipulate poll position.

Sample Posters' Poll (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4188.796)

Quote from: AUPepBand on July 08, 2007, 04:29:17 PM
Pep might be interested if it doesn't take too much time...

The Harmon Football Forecast, at one time operated by Bob Harmon out of Circleville, NY and was about the only forecast out there that cared about the small colleges like Alfred, was a regular feature in the ALFRED SUN. Since the founder's death and its subsequent sale to CBS.Sportsline.com, it has abandoned the small colleges. Thus, Pep produces pigskin prognostications for D3football.com's Top 25 in addition to Upstate NY games, to complement Harmon's major college predictions.

Thus, Pep attempts to keep up on what the D3 schools are doing and, despite his loyal support of the Saxons, Pep tries to maintain objectivity in posting and rankings. However, Pep would not object to AUKaz00 serving in his place, provided he practices his clarinet!

Quote from: pg04 on July 08, 2007, 02:31:53 PM

This is still a pretty small list of people, I thought there would be more interest.  Anyone else....We do need one MAC rep at least, and also would like a person From the NEFC and NESCAC.  Plus more from E8 and LL would be wanted too. 

Quote from: Capt. Partridge on July 09, 2007, 12:34:15 PM
The NESCAC is de facto excluded, and you pretty much said no NESCAC team will ever show up in the Top 25 while the playoff ban is in place:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2006/09/23/looking-ahead-to-week-4/

The effect is the same...I'm not saying I disagree with your logic, but a NESCAC poster will fall on deaf ears in something like this.

Quote from: budcrew08 on July 09, 2007, 02:16:40 PM

Quote from: Capt. Partridge on July 09, 2007, 12:34:15 PM
The NESCAC is de facto excluded, and you pretty much said no NESCAC team will ever show up in the Top 25 while the playoff ban is in place:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2006/09/23/looking-ahead-to-week-4/

The effect is the same...I'm not saying I disagree with your logic, but a NESCAC poster will fall on deaf ears in something like this.

Just to clarify: Is this the East in the sense that the ATR East column is. As in, the conferences included are just the Liberty League, the Empire 8, the ACFC and the NJAC? Because if that's the case, NORTHEAST conferences such as the NEFC and the NESCAC would not count in this poll.

Quote from: AUPepBand on July 08, 2007, 04:29:17 PM
Pep attempts to keep up on what the D3 schools are doing and, despite his loyal support of the Saxons, Pep tries to maintain objectivity in posting and rankings. However, Pep would not object to AUKaz00 serving in his place, provided he practices his clarinet!

Quote from: Union89 on July 09, 2007, 02:45:57 PM

Quote from: budcrew08 on July 09, 2007, 02:16:40 PM

Quote from: Capt. Partridge on July 09, 2007, 12:34:15 PM
The NESCAC is de facto excluded, and you pretty much said no NESCAC team will ever show up in the Top 25 while the playoff ban is in place:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2006/09/23/looking-ahead-to-week-4/

The effect is the same...I'm not saying I disagree with your logic, but a NESCAC poster will fall on deaf ears in something like this.

Just to clarify: Is this the East in the sense that the ATR East column is. As in, the conferences included are just the Liberty League, the Empire 8, the ACFC and the NJAC? Because if that's the case, NORTHEAST conferences such as the NEFC and the NESCAC would not count in this poll.

Had to smite you for that one Crew....let's not reinvent the wheel here....why would the rankings be based off a literary breakdown??  Four Regions, based off the breakdown on the main page.

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 09, 2007, 12:47:52 PM
DUCK.... INCOMING!!!

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 08:50:39 PM
These are the people I have thusfar (Let me know if I missed any of you!!):
Budcrew                    Utica
Superman/Upstate    Fisher
KnightStalker                 NJAC/Unaffiliated
Lewdogg                          RPI
PG04                            Brockport
Union 89                  Union
AuPep/Kazoo               AU
Realistic                    Ithaca
TGP                              Hobart

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
It's kind of pushing the rules a little bit, though.  Maybe I should put it up for debate?  lol.

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 09:01:55 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
It's kind of pushing the rules a little bit, though.  Maybe I should put it up for debate?  lol.

Maybe I can be the NEFC wildcard.  Im not sure how many games I can see but I always pick up a couple of them.

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 09:03:46 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 09:01:55 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
It's kind of pushing the rules a little bit, though.  Maybe I should put it up for debate?  lol.

Maybe I can be the NEFC wildcard.  Im not sure how many games I can see but I always pick up a couple of them.

Ok you are in.  You post in all the boards so you are well rounded enough for me to not think you are biased  :P

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 09:06:09 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 09:03:46 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 09:01:55 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
It's kind of pushing the rules a little bit, though.  Maybe I should put it up for debate?  lol.

Maybe I can be the NEFC wildcard.  Im not sure how many games I can see but I always pick up a couple of them.

Ok you are in.  You post in all the boards so you are well rounded enough for me to not think you are biased  :P

I mean Im sure Ithaca will be in the top 5 in the d3football.com preseason poll, so yea, Im not biased.

Quote from: Capt. Partridge on July 09, 2007, 12:34:15 PM
The NESCAC is de facto excluded, and you pretty much said no NESCAC team will ever show up in the Top 25 while the playoff ban is in place:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2006/09/23/looking-ahead-to-week-4/

The effect is the same...I'm not saying I disagree with your logic, but a NESCAC poster will fall on deaf ears in something like this.

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 07:08:44 PM

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 09, 2007, 12:47:52 PM
DUCK.... INCOMING!!!

Would you like to represent the MAC in the poll, or are you passing on this opportunity  :)

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 09, 2007, 09:58:46 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 07:08:44 PM

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 09, 2007, 12:47:52 PM
DUCK.... INCOMING!!!

Would you like to represent the MAC in the poll, or are you passing on this opportunity  :)

pg i would like to do it but i am not sure of my fall travel schedule yet and i dont want to commit to it and have to miss a week or two due to schedules/deadlines/travel...

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 09:01:55 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
It's kind of pushing the rules a little bit, though.  Maybe I should put it up for debate?  lol.

Maybe I can be the NEFC wildcard.  Im not sure how many games I can see but I always pick up a couple of them.

Quote from: Union89 on July 09, 2007, 10:03:25 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 09:01:55 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
It's kind of pushing the rules a little bit, though.  Maybe I should put it up for debate?  lol.

Maybe I can be the NEFC wildcard.  Im not sure how many games I can see but I always pick up a couple of them.

Utah is a fair dude......he's a jackass from Ithaca......but a fair dude.

Quote from: Tags on July 09, 2007, 11:02:05 PM
PG- Just so I'm understanding the premise of this correctly, each week a poster from each school will rank the region?

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 11:16:14 PM

Quote from: Tags on July 09, 2007, 11:02:05 PM
PG- Just so I'm understanding the premise of this correctly, each week a poster from each school will rank the region?

Each week the same posters, which have volunteered, will vote on who they think the top 10 teams in the region are (in order).  We will start out with a preseason one later in the month to see if anyone strays from legitimate voting and to work out kinks. 

Basically a vote for a team in 1st place gets them 10 points, 2nd place 9 points, etc.... compile the totals and order the teams. 

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 11:19:15 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 11:16:14 PM

Quote from: Tags on July 09, 2007, 11:02:05 PM
PG- Just so I'm understanding the premise of this correctly, each week a poster from each school will rank the region?

Each week the same posters, which have volunteered, will vote on who they think the top 10 teams in the region are (in order).  We will start out with a preseason one later in the month to see if anyone strays from legitimate voting and to work out kinks. 

Basically a vote for a team in 1st place gets them 10 points, 2nd place 9 points, etc.... compile the totals and order the teams. 

thats gonna be tough.  I mean after Ithaca, its a huge tossup !

Quote from: Tags on July 09, 2007, 11:26:15 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 11:19:15 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 11:16:14 PM

Quote from: Tags on July 09, 2007, 11:02:05 PM
PG- Just so I'm understanding the premise of this correctly, each week a poster from each school will rank the region?

Each week the same posters, which have volunteered, will vote on who they think the top 10 teams in the region are (in order).  We will start out with a preseason one later in the month to see if anyone strays from legitimate voting and to work out kinks. 

Basically a vote for a team in 1st place gets them 10 points, 2nd place 9 points, etc.... compile the totals and order the teams. 

thats gonna be tough.  I mean after Ithaca, its a huge tossup !

Don't worry about that, JU's been drinking all night and is unaware of what he's saying :)

Quote from: Tags on July 09, 2007, 11:29:32 PM
Ha, ouch.

AUPep will no doubt be here to defend the Saxon honor!

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 10:57:49 PM

Quote from: Union89 on July 09, 2007, 10:03:25 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 09:01:55 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
It's kind of pushing the rules a little bit, though.  Maybe I should put it up for debate?  lol.

Maybe I can be the NEFC wildcard.  Im not sure how many games I can see but I always pick up a couple of them.

Utah is a fair dude......he's a jackass from Ithaca......but a fair dude.

And imagine if I didn't get into Ithaca and had to go to Union!  Imagine what kind of jackass Id be then?

Quote from: Union89 on July 10, 2007, 01:10:54 AM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 10:57:49 PM

Quote from: Union89 on July 09, 2007, 10:03:25 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 09:01:55 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 09, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
It's kind of pushing the rules a little bit, though.  Maybe I should put it up for debate?  lol.

Maybe I can be the NEFC wildcard.  Im not sure how many games I can see but I always pick up a couple of them.

Utah is a fair dude......he's a jackass from Ithaca......but a fair dude.

And imagine if I didn't get into Ithaca and had to go to Union!  Imagine what kind of jackass Id be then?

A fine young respectable Bostonian you would be......ahhhh, what could have been.....

Quote from: AUKaz00 on July 09, 2007, 04:08:03 PM

Quote from: AUPepBand on July 08, 2007, 04:29:17 PM
Pep attempts to keep up on what the D3 schools are doing and, despite his loyal support of the Saxons, Pep tries to maintain objectivity in posting and rankings. However, Pep would not object to AUKaz00 serving in his place, provided he practices his clarinet!

An Alfred consensus can be provided each week by AUPB and me.  That way if either of us are unavaible, a ranking can still make it to PG08 each week.

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2007, 11:28:02 PM
If I were drinking all night, Id have Alfred in the top spot.....

Quote from: Tags on July 09, 2007, 11:29:32 PM
Ha, ouch.

AUPep will no doubt be here to defend the Saxon honor!

Quote from: pg04 on July 11, 2007, 08:20:46 PM
Well if you actually read the entire topic you'd know that Pep and Kazoo are together representing Alfred (meaning only one ballot) and Superman/Upstate are representing Fisher (only one ballot between the two of them). 

This has been up for a week or so and others had their opportunity to tell me they wanted to be involved, but these are the ones who asked.  Neither you or Jose PMed me to be involved... I don't think Jose wanted to be involved...

The point is, There will not be more than one Ballot from any one school. 

Quote from: pg04 on July 11, 2007, 08:20:46 PM


The point is, There will not be more than one Ballot from any one school. 

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 11, 2007, 08:26:12 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 11, 2007, 08:20:46 PM


The point is, There will not be more than one Ballot from any one school. 
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JU smirks in the corner......

Maybe I'll mysteriously lose your ballot in the corner.   ;)

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 11, 2007, 08:26:12 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 11, 2007, 08:20:46 PM


The point is, There will not be more than one Ballot from any one school. 
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JU smirks in the corner......

Damn you JU!

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Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 11, 2007, 08:30:27 PM
Nah I think I messed it up by erasing the ] by accident in my first post there and it screwed the rest of them up.

I actually think the [ was left in the post and that thing screws up other quoted posts.  If that makes any sense.

Quote from: pg04 on July 11, 2007, 08:34:45 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 11, 2007, 08:30:27 PM
Nah I think I messed it up by erasing the ] by accident in my first post there and it screwed the rest of them up.

I actually think the [ was left in the post and that thing screws up other quoted posts.  If that makes any sense.

Ah yes, the hanging bracket...

Quote from: Upstate on July 11, 2007, 08:38:21 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 11, 2007, 08:34:45 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 11, 2007, 08:30:27 PM
Nah I think I messed it up by erasing the ] by accident in my first post there and it screwed the rest of them up.

I actually think the [ was left in the post and that thing screws up other quoted posts.  If that makes any sense.

Ah yes, the hanging bracket...

Thats what she said....

Quote from: pg04 on July 11, 2007, 08:43:46 PM

Quote from: Upstate on July 11, 2007, 08:38:21 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 11, 2007, 08:34:45 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 11, 2007, 08:30:27 PM
Nah I think I messed it up by erasing the ] by accident in my first post there and it screwed the rest of them up.

I actually think the [ was left in the post and that thing screws up other quoted posts.  If that makes any sense.

Ah yes, the hanging bracket...

Thats what she said....

oh how elementary, you can do better!!

Quote from: pg04 on July 11, 2007, 08:20:46 PMI don't think Jose wanted to be involved...

Quote from: AUPepBand on July 17, 2007, 07:24:40 AM
AUKaz00 and Pep have collaboratively deliberated, and, no matter how we look at it, Alfred always seems to emerge as the top team in the East Region.  ;)

Quote from: Trin8-0 on July 18, 2007, 09:41:27 AM
I'm curious as to whether any of the "fan pollsters" will see any NESCAC games this year. There is clearly a bias against NESCAC teams because they don't compete against out of conference opponents (to be clear I'm NOT saying there is anything wrong with this... I don't want to start any fights on this topic again).  ;D

Though, it seems that the NESCAC would be at a disadvatage in this polling process since we have no representation in voting and I assume very few (if any) voters will see a team in our league play a game.

Incidentally, if you are able to make a NESCAC game (more specifically a Trinity game) send me a message. I'll likely make 7 of the 8 Trinity games this year as I'm now working at the school and would enjoy a face to face with a fellow D3football.com poster.

Quote from: Trin8-0 on July 18, 2007, 09:41:27 AM
I'm curious as to whether any of the "fan pollsters" will see any NESCAC games this year. There is clearly a bias against NESCAC teams because they don't compete against out of conference opponents (to be clear I'm NOT saying there is anything wrong with this... I don't want to start any fights on this topic again).  ;D

Though, it seems that the NESCAC would be at a disadvatage in this polling process since we have no representation in voting and I assume very few (if any) voters will see a team in our league play a game.

Incidentally, if you are able to make a NESCAC game (more specifically a Trinity game) send me a message. I'll likely make 7 of the 8 Trinity games this year as I'm now working at the school and would enjoy a face to face with a fellow D3football.com poster.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2007, 10:51:55 AM
I thought they decided to leave the NESCAC out entirely.

Quote from: pg04 on July 17, 2007, 12:47:02 AM
Hey All, a couple of early rankings have come in (plus my own!), but we are still awaiting a majority of the pollsters.

As I said there is no rush but for all pollsters I will be setting a deadline of next Wednesday, July 25th for the poll, giving us more than a month to debate the poll etc! 

Remember, Private Message me the poll. 

Thanks and Have fun!

Quote from: pg04 on July 22, 2007, 09:43:22 PM
Plus everyone that said they would be involved has not gotten me their poll yet. 

Quote from: Union89 on July 23, 2007, 02:31:53 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 22, 2007, 09:43:22 PM
Plus everyone that said they would be involved has not gotten me their poll yet. 

PG....you have mine, correct?

Quote from: AUPepBand on July 23, 2007, 09:01:36 PM
Did Kaz00 get you Alfred's #1 poll?

Quote from: AUPepBand on July 23, 2007, 09:01:36 PM
Did Kaz00 get you Alfred's #1 poll?

Quote from: Upstate on July 23, 2007, 09:18:45 PM

Quote from: AUPepBand on July 23, 2007, 09:01:36 PM
Did Kaz00 get you Alfred's #1 poll?

An AU Top 10...

1) Alfred University
2) Gentlemen Jim's
3) Alex's
4) Uni-Mart
5) The Klan (not the KKK either)
6) Sure-Fine
7) Hornell (A.K.A-Wal-Martville)
8) Alfred State Women
9) Tinkertown
10) Alfred Station (FYI it isnt a train station)

Quote from: AUPepBand on July 24, 2007, 10:21:11 AM

Quote from: Upstate on July 23, 2007, 09:18:45 PM

Quote from: AUPepBand on July 23, 2007, 09:01:36 PM
Did Kaz00 get you Alfred's #1 poll?

An AU Top 10...

1) Alfred University
2) Gentlemen Jim's
3) Alex's
4) Uni-Mart
5) The Klan (not the KKK either)
6) Sure-Fine
7) Hornell (A.K.A-Wal-Martville)
8) Alfred State Women
9) Tinkertown
10) Alfred Station (FYI it isnt a train station)

Pep needs to update Upstate on a few things from Mayberry:

Old West Food Co. should be in the Top Ten...great place to tip a few while watching the Yankees in their second-half-of-the-season resurgence.

The Klan...aka Klan Alpine is sitting empty. Pep went to a Halloween Party or two there as a lad. (No, that's not where Pep had his first beer.)

Shurfine Food Mart has long since closed and has been replaced by Dollar General.

Tinkertown should be moved up to at least 4....that's where Pep lives!

Alfred Station, formerly known as Baker's Bridge, WAS Alfred's train station but only freight trains whisk by nowadays.

You've nailed everything else, Upstate.

P.S. Alfred's DP Dough is history, Main Street Video is closed....any aspiring entrepreneur's want to go into business in downtown? Pep can get you decent ad rates with the Alfred Sun!

Quote from: Union89 on July 24, 2007, 11:32:41 PM
Makes sense.........he's the NEFC rep......

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 25, 2007, 09:27:37 AM

Quote from: Union89 on July 24, 2007, 11:32:41 PM
Makes sense.........he's the NEFC rep......

Yea.  Ive taken the last two weeks off to do some research.  I just got back from MIT where I inspected the new goal posts and interviewed the video cooridinator and backup QB.  Im now off to MA Maritime to interview the TE coach so when i get back Ill give you my report.

Quote from: rams1102 on July 25, 2007, 10:39:53 AM
I'm off for a few days, preping and painting, installing some new doors and now catching up on my D3 football reading. What a way to spend a few vacation days :( with the exception of D3 Football. :)

Here is my thought of what the Poll may look like tonight :

#1  Fisher
#2  Springfield
#3  Rowan
#4  Wilkes
#5  Hobart
#6  Alfred
#7  RPI
#8  Ithaca
#9  Union
#10Cortland

Fisher clearly must be #1, you can reverse Springfield & Rowan the same for Hobart and Wilkes, and Alfred & RPI.

8 of my Top 10 will be tested in the first 3 weeks. 2 will get sort of a pass, but make it up in the next 7 games.

After all the discussion we should come up with 5 dark horses who may enter the top 10 during the season.

pg04 - Thanks for the fun !!!

Quote from: Jonny Utah on July 25, 2007, 03:43:13 PM

Quote from: rams1102 on July 25, 2007, 10:39:53 AM
I'm off for a few days, preping and painting, installing some new doors and now catching up on my D3 football reading. What a way to spend a few vacation days :( with the exception of D3 Football. :)

Here is my thought of what the Poll may look like tonight :

#1  Fisher
#2  Springfield
#3  Rowan
#4  Wilkes
#5  Hobart
#6  Alfred
#7  RPI
#8  Ithaca
#9  Union
#10Cortland

Fisher clearly must be #1, you can reverse Springfield & Rowan the same for Hobart and Wilkes, and Alfred & RPI.

8 of my Top 10 will be tested in the first 3 weeks. 2 will get sort of a pass, but make it up in the next 7 games.

After all the discussion we should come up with 5 dark horses who may enter the top 10 during the season.

pg04 - Thanks for the fun !!!

yea that was tough to pick.  Although I felt it was my duty to put an NEFC team in there at 10, I think from 2-9 are all basically equal.

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 25, 2007, 04:05:06 PM
U89 dvc has a ton of top players to replace...they have a nice young qb who started all games as a freshmen last year but they graduated all their wr's. they have a good rb returning and have to plug a few holes on the OL. They need to replace a 2 time AA at def. end and lost both corners thats just off the top of my head.  they have a lot of ? at positions and its show time for a lot of new players this year.

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 25, 2007, 04:05:06 PM
U89 dvc has a ton of top players to replace...they have a nice young qb who started all games as a freshmen last year but they graduated all their wr's. they have a good rb returning and have to plug a few holes on the OL. They need to replace a 2 time AA at def. end and lost both corners thats just off the top of my head.  they have a lot of ? at positions and its show time for a lot of new players this year.

Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 07:07:33 PM

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 25, 2007, 04:05:06 PM
U89 dvc has a ton of top players to replace...they have a nice young qb who started all games as a freshmen last year but they graduated all their wr's. they have a good rb returning and have to plug a few holes on the OL. They need to replace a 2 time AA at def. end and lost both corners thats just off the top of my head.  they have a lot of ? at positions and its show time for a lot of new players this year.

really?  damn.  tgp didn't do enough homework.  though dvc would be a lot stronger so tgp ranked them on the high side in his preseason poll.  oh well.  so it goes when you are on the west coast trying to follow the east region.

Quote from: pg04 on July 24, 2007, 11:29:50 PM
Got everyone's poll but one... (JU COUGH JU! -- Still time) and will be posting tomorrow night after 9 or so

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 08:37:24 PM
Do you people read at all? lol.  I just got out of work.

Quote from: pg04 on July 24, 2007, 11:29:50 PM
Got everyone's poll but one... (JU COUGH JU! -- Still time) and will be posting tomorrow night after 9 or so

I'm waiting for a clarification on something before I release.

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 09:12:53 PM

P.S Upstate, do you want to run the show here? geeeeeeeesh

Quote from: Upstate on July 25, 2007, 09:17:25 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 09:12:53 PM

P.S Upstate, do you want to run the show here? geeeeeeeesh

God no....you're doing a fantastic job.



For a Newfane grad, that is.

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 09:22:17 PM

Quote from: Upstate on July 25, 2007, 09:17:25 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 09:12:53 PM

P.S Upstate, do you want to run the show here? geeeeeeeesh

God no....you're doing a fantastic job.



For a Newfane grad, that is.

Why thank you  :D.  Anyway, As Expected Fisher rules the chart.  Less expected was the huge gap between 4th and 5th and a wide array of opinions on where Cortland should be.

Quote from: Upstate on July 25, 2007, 07:17:19 PM

Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 07:07:33 PM

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 25, 2007, 04:05:06 PM
U89 dvc has a ton of top players to replace...they have a nice young qb who started all games as a freshmen last year but they graduated all their wr's. they have a good rb returning and have to plug a few holes on the OL. They need to replace a 2 time AA at def. end and lost both corners thats just off the top of my head.  they have a lot of ? at positions and its show time for a lot of new players this year.

really?  damn.  tgp didn't do enough homework.  though dvc would be a lot stronger so tgp ranked them on the high side in his preseason poll.  oh well.  so it goes when you are on the west coast trying to follow the east region.

I had them on the low end..

Nice pic of Poz PBR, He just signed today and Im totally pumped to see what he can do!

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 09:50:10 PM
can I ask who put Del Valley 2...I mean sorry but I can't find my self justifying them being any higher than 5...

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 25, 2007, 09:34:00 PM


moving him back outside will be key and shed some weight and use his speed again

Quote from: Knightstalker on July 25, 2007, 09:40:40 PM
I have to admit I totally overlooked Rochester. 

Quote from: Knightstalker on July 25, 2007, 10:09:20 PM
I was thinking of the top teams from conferences and totally forgot they were in the LL for football.  I was thinking UAA for them.

Quote from: rams1102 on July 25, 2007, 09:54:48 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 09:50:10 PM
can I ask who put Del Valley 2...I mean sorry but I can't find my self justifying them being any higher than 5...

How can you justify them at 5 ???

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:29:25 PM
their

Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 10:33:40 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:29:25 PM
their

uh oh, does professor RT need to school young Superman on the difference btw:

There
Their
and
They're

?

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 09:50:10 PM
can I ask who put Del Valley 2...I mean sorry but I can't find my self justifying them being any higher than 5...

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:40:57 PM

Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 10:33:40 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:29:25 PM
their

uh oh, does professor RT need to school young Superman on the difference btw:

There
Their
and
They're

?

wats b tis nglish tat u be talkn bout

Quote from: Upstate on July 25, 2007, 10:03:13 PM

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 25, 2007, 09:34:00 PM


moving him back outside will be key and shed some weight and use his speed again

He's going to start at MLB for Buffalo

Quote from: rams1102 on July 25, 2007, 09:54:48 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 09:50:10 PM
can I ask who put Del Valley 2...I mean sorry but I can't find my self justifying them being any higher than 5...

How can you justify them at 5 ???

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:47:30 PM
well first off isn't the reason that you put the rankings that each person had to call bs...

Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 25, 2007, 10:58:18 PM

Quote from: rams1102 on July 25, 2007, 09:54:48 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 09:50:10 PM
can I ask who put Del Valley 2...I mean sorry but I can't find my self justifying them being any higher than 5...

How can you justify them at 5 ???

hey easy on the smackdown of pbr's team....them there (correct form tgp?) is fightin' words!!!

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 11:02:44 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:47:30 PM
well first off isn't the reason that you put the rankings that each person had to call bs...

huh?

Quote from: budcrew08 on July 25, 2007, 11:05:45 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 11:02:44 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:47:30 PM
well first off isn't the reason that you put the rankings that each person had to call bs...

huh?

He's saying that people have to say who put who where because you broke down the vote.

Quote from: budcrew08 on July 25, 2007, 11:05:45 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 11:02:44 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:47:30 PM
well first off isn't the reason that you put the rankings that each person had to call bs...

huh?

He's saying that people have to say who put who where because you broke down the vote.

Quote from: budcrew08 on July 25, 2007, 11:05:45 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 11:02:44 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:47:30 PM
well first off isn't the reason that you put the rankings that each person had to call bs...

huh?

He's saying that people have to say who put who where because you broke down the vote.

Quote from: budcrew08 on July 25, 2007, 09:25:45 PM
It shouldn't be. Cortland loses a LOT this year. Plus, they have two quarterbacks who are still learning on a trial-by-fire basis.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 26, 2007, 01:04:42 AM

Quote from: budcrew08 on July 25, 2007, 09:25:45 PM
It shouldn't be. Cortland loses a LOT this year. Plus, they have two quarterbacks who are still learning on a trial-by-fire basis.

Don't they get Alex Smith back?

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 03:44:43 AM
I'll own up....I'm the guy in the #2 spot.....the only real thing I struggled with was leaving Hobart as the #11 team.  I think they are 3rd best in the LL and are just on the outside looking in.  That being said, Union opens up with Springfield....that game will give us a great early indication of how the East might shake out.

BTW, whoever had Delaware Valley at #2, also had Rowan at #8....we need to question this persons intentions...... ::)

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 11:22:45 PM

Quote from: budcrew08 on July 25, 2007, 11:05:45 PM

Quote from: pg04 on July 25, 2007, 11:02:44 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on July 25, 2007, 10:47:30 PM
well first off isn't the reason that you put the rankings that each person had to call bs...

huh?

He's saying that people have to say who put who where because you broke down the vote.

It's just a way to keep people honest  per se and a way to show how each team got votes and another thing to discuss, ie how there was such a disparity of Cortland votes as discussed earlier. No one actually needs to say who they picked unless they want to. 

Quote from: realistic on July 26, 2007, 09:30:04 AM
as for my picks... I really went more with gut feelings, returners, past success, etc.  I didn't consider schedules because I didn't want to get into XXXX will probably lose to YYYY on 9/8 so I am not going to rank them.

Overall very interesting poll, and I am pleased that my picks ended up in the similar vicinity as others with only a few big variations.

Quote from: AUKaz00 on July 26, 2007, 11:01:40 AM
On behalf of the Saxons, I'd like to thank the pollster who ranked us 5th in the East.  While the Alfred consensus is consistent with your optomism, we chose to be a little more realistic in our rankings.  Mystery pollster, whoever you are, keep up the good work and stop by the Pep Band this fall for a Pep Bandana on the house!

Quote from: realistic on July 26, 2007, 11:12:14 AM

Quote from: AUKaz00 on July 26, 2007, 11:01:40 AM
On behalf of the Saxons, I'd like to thank the pollster who ranked us 5th in the East.  While the Alfred consensus is consistent with your optomism, we chose to be a little more realistic in our rankings.  Mystery pollster, whoever you are, keep up the good work and stop by the Pep Band this fall for a Pep Bandana on the house!

haha - Kaz00...you had a little ESP working there.  I'll own up, and I guess give away all my picks.  I didn't want to be the Ithaca guy who picks Ithaca and I think Alfred has a shot this year.  That being said, in this case I hope I'm worng and the Bombers make a run throught the E8.

Quote from: LewDogg11 on July 26, 2007, 04:30:02 AM

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 03:44:43 AM
I'll own up....I'm the guy in the #2 spot.....the only real thing I struggled with was leaving Hobart as the #11 team.  I think they are 3rd best in the LL and are just on the outside looking in.  That being said, Union opens up with Springfield....that game will give us a great early indication of how the East might shake out.

BTW, whoever had Delaware Valley at #2, also had Rowan at #8....we need to question this persons intentions...... ::)

I don't understand how people can bitch.  Maybe U89 is trying for his end of the season poll in the preseason, as opposed to the typical, 'how did they finish last year'...Secretly, U89 could be a genius...or a donkey.  It's a preseason poll, so who can say?

And all the Rochester stuff...Well, this DOES have to do with last year, but they weren't anywhere near my poll,(maybe 12-13) strictly because, although they got 3rd in the LL last year, they lost to Alfred in the ECAC.  RPI beat Cortland.  I honestly felt Cortland might hand it to RPI, but they didn't get it done and RPI finished on a good note.  That also affected my Cortland vote.  ROchester had a chance to finally make a statement and they dropped the ball.  And let's face it, Rochester has had moments of potential brilliance in the past, and then haven't followed up, so until they can win consistently, how is there any faith in them?

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 02:36:15 PM

HEEEEEEHAWWWWW

I just feel that Hobart lost too much last year to contend in '07.....we'll see.  I think Robertson will be the difference in the LL.  Union has a very athletic kid from Nawlin's at QB...our version of the D3 Michael Vick......minus the herpes and dog murdering.....

Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 26, 2007, 02:48:42 PM

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 02:36:15 PM

HEEEEEEHAWWWWW

I just feel that Hobart lost too much last year to contend in '07.....we'll see.  I think Robertson will be the difference in the LL.  Union has a very athletic kid from Nawlin's at QB...our version of the D3 Michael Vick......minus the herpes and dog murdering.....

that is pretty funny.  actually us pumpkins may not be in as bad a shape as TGP initially thought.  working on an unofficial TGP bart preview.  will post asap.

Union has a kind from NOLA?

Dat's right brah (as TGP's best from NOLA would say)

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 02:53:03 PM

Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 26, 2007, 02:48:42 PM

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 02:36:15 PM

HEEEEEEHAWWWWW

I just feel that Hobart lost too much last year to contend in '07.....we'll see.  I think Robertson will be the difference in the LL.  Union has a very athletic kid from Nawlin's at QB...our version of the D3 Michael Vick......minus the herpes and dog murdering.....

that is pretty funny.  actually us pumpkins may not be in as bad a shape as TGP initially thought.  working on an unofficial TGP bart preview.  will post asap.

Union has a kind from NOLA?

Dat's right brah (as TGP's best from NOLA would say)

Yup, kids name is Jared Gourrier, from the Big Easy via Northfield Mount-Herman....I think.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 25, 2007, 08:32:13 PM
+1, pg04.  It looks good.  :)

I like that you are listing the votes.  The 6th place for Springfield makes no sense, as does the 2nd place for Del Valley.  ???

You have a Rowan hater, too.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2007, 08:57:26 PM
If I read the numbers right, the Del Val lover and Rowan hater are the same person?

Quote from: pg04 on August 26, 2007, 04:23:25 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2007, 08:57:26 PM
If I read the numbers right, the Del Val lover and Rowan hater are the same person?

Someone's good with the math!  ;)  Yes, you are correct, although the voter will remain nameless!  (other than it wasn't me haha). 

Edit: Actually not good with math, good with lining up simple sequences  :D

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 03:44:43 AM
I'll own up....I'm the guy in the #2 spot.....the only real thing I struggled with was leaving Hobart as the #11 team.  I think they are 3rd best in the LL and are just on the outside looking in.  That being said, Union opens up with Springfield....that game will give us a great early indication of how the East might shake out.

BTW, whoever had Delaware Valley at #2, also had Rowan at #8....we need to question this persons intentions...... ::)

Quote from: Garnet on August 27, 2007, 01:46:30 PM

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 03:44:43 AM
I'll own up....I'm the guy in the #2 spot.....the only real thing I struggled with was leaving Hobart as the #11 team.  I think they are 3rd best in the LL and are just on the outside looking in.  That being said, Union opens up with Springfield....that game will give us a great early indication of how the East might shake out.

BTW, whoever had Delaware Valley at #2, also had Rowan at #8....we need to question this persons intentions...... ::)

LD,

Looks like he was trying to call him out.  It doesn't look like U89 claimed to put DVC  at 2 and Rowan at 8.  In fact it is the opposite.

Quote from: LewDogg11 on August 27, 2007, 06:35:39 PM

Quote from: Garnet on August 27, 2007, 01:46:30 PM

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 03:44:43 AM
I'll own up....I'm the guy in the #2 spot.....the only real thing I struggled with was leaving Hobart as the #11 team.  I think they are 3rd best in the LL and are just on the outside looking in.  That being said, Union opens up with Springfield....that game will give us a great early indication of how the East might shake out.

BTW, whoever had Delaware Valley at #2, also had Rowan at #8....we need to question this persons intentions...... ::)

LD,

Looks like he was trying to call him out.  It doesn't look like U89 claimed to put DVC  at 2 and Rowan at 8.  In fact it is the opposite.

I don't care.  I still blame U89....and Canada.

Quote from: LewDogg11 on July 26, 2007, 04:30:02 AM

Quote from: Union89 on July 26, 2007, 03:44:43 AM
I'll own up....I'm the guy in the #2 spot.....the only real thing I struggled with was leaving Hobart as the #11 team.  I think they are 3rd best in the LL and are just on the outside looking in.  That being said, Union opens up with Springfield....that game will give us a great early indication of how the East might shake out.

BTW, whoever had Delaware Valley at #2, also had Rowan at #8....we need to question this persons intentions...... ::)

I don't understand how people can bitch.  Maybe U89 is trying for his end of the season poll in the preseason, as opposed to the typical, 'how did they finish last year'...Secretly, U89 could be a genius...or a donkey.  It's a preseason poll, so who can say?

And all the Rochester stuff...Well, this DOES have to do with last year, but they weren't anywhere near my poll,(maybe 12-13) strictly because, although they got 3rd in the LL last year, they lost to Alfred in the ECAC.  RPI beat Cortland.  I honestly felt Cortland might hand it to RPI, but they didn't get it done and RPI finished on a good note.  That also affected my Cortland vote.  ROchester had a chance to finally make a statement and they dropped the ball.  And let's face it, Rochester has had moments of potential brilliance in the past, and then haven't followed up, so until they can win consistently, how is there any faith in them?

Quote from: pg04 on September 01, 2007, 09:34:28 PM
Well with the activity this week, it should be an interesting poll for this week... 

Remember, get the polls in before Monday at 8 so I can put together the poll that night.

Should be interesting!

Quote from: Cortland_Football on September 02, 2007, 06:40:24 PM
I wouldn't drop Rowan too far.  It was a close loss to a strong program, on the road.  In fact, I might not drop them at all.  The team which has to get body slammed is Wilkes. 

Quote from: Superman57 on September 03, 2007, 04:23:37 PM
Knightstalker... I would say even though they may suck in terms of FCS they still have scholarships which in anycase to me would be reason enough to hold off on judging delaware valley till they play a diii team

Quote from: 'gro on September 03, 2007, 04:39:47 PM
The MAAC is a non scholarship conference, the level of play is comparable to D3 and in some cases a lot worse. That's why many MAAC schools have dropped football in recent years.  I know Siena is one of those teams, terrible football team back when they played/scrimmaged RPI.

Quote from: pg04 on September 03, 2007, 08:19:56 PM

Quote from: Tags on September 03, 2007, 08:18:08 PM
+k for a nice job PG.

Am I reading that right, someone did not give Fisher a vote for the top 10?

Also am anxious to see how the poll reads after next week - Ithaca may very well be well rounded on both sides of the football, with two convincing wins will that be enough to trump a loaded Springfield offense?

Quote from: pg04 on September 03, 2007, 08:07:59 PM

Please note that one of the posters did not get their poll in, therefore there are only 9 voters this week (the dash in the second to last position in the strings above represents that person).

Quote from: Tags on September 03, 2007, 08:18:08 PM
+k for a nice job PG.

I'm anxious to see how the poll reads after next week - Ithaca may very well be well rounded on both sides of the football, with two convincing wins will that be enough to trump a loaded Springfield offense?

Quote from: pg04 on September 03, 2007, 08:07:59 PM

Also, Notice that RPI seemed to jump for no good reason at all, while Hobart and Cortland stayed in the same spots.

Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 03, 2007, 08:22:26 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 03, 2007, 08:07:59 PM

Also, Notice that RPI seemed to jump for no good reason at all, while Hobart and Cortland stayed in the same spots.

Everyone ranked that was previously behind Rowan and Wilkes in my ranks moved ahead.  The only team that made moves this week for me were Ithaca and Kean.  Fisher did what Fisher was expected to do...

Quote from: pg04 on September 03, 2007, 04:25:34 PM

Quote from: Superman57 on September 03, 2007, 04:23:37 PM
Knightstalker... I would say even though they may suck in terms of FCS they still have scholarships which in anycase to me would be reason enough to hold off on judging delaware valley till they play a diii team

Actually, they don't have scholarships. 
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You are correct about scholorships. Guys seem to forget that Iona is a very tough team. They are beatable, but no no walk in the park.  If you take them lightly, you may go down.They are at the bottom of the MAAC though.

Quote from: pg04 on September 03, 2007, 08:07:59 PM
East Region Fan Poll - Week 1 (9/2/07)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	St. John Fisher (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=St.+John+Fisher&year=2007) ( 8 )	1-0	89	1	@ Buffalo State
2	Springfield (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Springfield&year=2007) ( 1 )	0-0	79	2	@ #7 Union
3	Ithaca (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Ithaca&year=2007)	1-0	57	9	vs. King's
4	RPI (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=RPI&year=2007)	0-0	48	7	vs. Endicott
5	Hobart (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Hobart&year=2007)	0-0	46	5	@ Dickinson
6	Cortland State (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Cortland+State&year=2007)	0-0	43	6	vs. Morrisville State
7	Union (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Union&year=2007)	0-0	37	8	vs. #2 Springfield
8	Rowan (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Rowan&year=2007)	0-1	32	4	Idle
9	Alfred (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Alfred&year=2007)	0-0	22	NR	@ Thiel
10	Kean (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Kean&year=2007)	1-0	20	NR	@ Albright

Other receiving votes: Delaware Valley 13, William Paterson 5, Wilkes 2, Western New England 1, Widener 1

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 05, 2007, 12:14:29 PM
Yea, my fault on that one.  But you had one more mistake in there.  I wanted Union (KY) in there, not Union (NY).  They suck.

Quote from: gordonmann on September 05, 2007, 07:42:09 PM
Looks fantastic, pg.

Quote from: pg04 on September 05, 2007, 01:31:27 AM

East Region Fan Poll - Week 1 (9/2/07) MODIFIED!!!

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	St. John Fisher (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=St.+John+Fisher&year=2007) ( 8 )	1-0	89	1	@ Buffalo State
2	Springfield (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Springfield&year=2007) ( 1 )	0-0	79	2	@ #7 Union
3	Ithaca (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Ithaca&year=2007)	1-0	57	9	vs. King's
4	Hobart (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Hobart&year=2007)	0-0	48	5	@ Dickinson
5	RPI (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=RPI&year=2007)	0-0	46	7	vs. Endicott
6	Cortland State (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Cortland+State&year=2007)	0-0	43	6	vs. Morrisville State
7	Union (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Union&year=2007)	0-0	37	8	vs. #2 Springfield
8	Rowan (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Rowan&year=2007)	0-1	32	4	Idle
9	Alfred (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Alfred&year=2007)	0-0	22	NR	@ Thiel
10	Kean (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Kean&year=2007)	1-0	20	NR	@ Albright

Other receiving votes: Delaware Valley 13, William Paterson 5, Wilkes 2, Western New England 1, Widener 1

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Voting distribution by team for the week one poll...

Fisher (1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,-,1)
Springfield (2,1,4,2,2,2,2,3,-,2)
Ithaca (4,5,6,4,5,4,4,2,-,8)
RPI (6,4,8,5,7,3,5,4,-,-)
Hobart (7,3,3,-,4,9,3,5,-,6)
Cortland State (-,7,2,3,3,8,8,9,-,5)
Union (3,8,9,-,8,6,6,8,-,3)
Rowan (9,9,7,10,6,5,7,10,-,4)
Alfred (10,6,-,6,10,7,9,-,-,7)
Kean (8,10,5,7,9,-,-,7,-,-)
Delaware Valley (5,-,-,9,-,-,-,6,-,-)
William Paterson (-,-,-,8,-,-,-,-,-,9)
Wilkes (-,-,10,-,-,-,-,-,-,10)
Western New England (-,-,-,-,-,-,10,-,-,-)
Widener (-,-,-,-,-,10,-,-,-,-)

This modification was due to a pollster putting Hobart in the 3rd and 5th position on accident, when he meant to put RPI in one of the positions.  I did not get a response in time and I incorrectly assumed which position RPI was to go in (3rd).  Instead he wanted them in 5th.  Therefore Hobart and RPI switch in position and number of points. 

Thanks for listening  ;).  Still getting all the kinks out of this poll thing

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 09, 2007, 10:17:39 AM
Still too early, but there were some things I noticed about this weeks poll

1) Should Cortland winning 71-7 mean anything at all?  Mo'ville too young to make a judgement about Cortland.

2) Union loses to one of the best teams in the country while RPI beats their regular cupcake non-league game....does RPI still deserve to be a few notches higher? Hobart will be the test, and since they lost to dickinson RPI will probably stay the same (put cortland at #4, Alfred could move up too)

3) Although I dont see them being there at the end of the season, does William Patterson deserve a spot just because of one win? Wilkes is 0-2 now...

4) When is a MAC team going to impress me enough to get back in the poll? Not yet.

Quote from: pg04 on September 10, 2007, 09:10:42 PM
Newfane football hasn't been good, well since ever so that doesn't really affect me haha. 

Quote from: Upstate on September 10, 2007, 09:14:07 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 10, 2007, 09:10:42 PM
Newfane football hasn't been good, well since ever so that doesn't really affect me haha. 

My boy rushed for 385 (25 carries) our senior year vs Newfane, so thats all that matters....

Quote from: pg04 on September 10, 2007, 09:22:59 PM

East Region Fan Poll - Week 2 (9/10/07)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	St. John Fisher (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=St.+John+Fisher&year=2007) ( 7 )	2-0	97	1	vs. Rochester
2	Springfield (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Springfield&year=2007) ( 3 )	1-0	92	2	@ Montclair State
3	Ithaca (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Ithaca&year=2007)	2-0	71	3	@ Hartwick
4	RPI (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=RPI&year=2007)	1-0	64	5	vs. Utica
5	Cortland State (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Cortland+State&year=2007)	1-0	63	6	@ Brockport state
6	Alfred (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Alfred&year=2007)	1-0	48	9	vs.  St. Lawrence
7	Rowan (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Rowan&year=2007)	0-1	32	8	@ Wilkes
8	Widener (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Widener&year=2007)	1-0	20	NR	vs. Wesley
9	Hobart (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Hobart&year=2007)	0-1	19	4	vs.  Carnegie Mellon
10	Union (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Union&year=2007)	0-1	13	7	@Muhlenberg

Other receiving votes: Montclair State 11, Delaware Valley 7, William Paterson 6, Curry 1, WPI 1

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Fisher (2,2,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1)
Springfield (1,1,3,2,1,2,2,2,2,2)
Ithaca (3,4,4,4,5,4,3,3,3,6)
RPI (4,3,5,6,4,3,4,5,5,7)
Cortland State (10,6,2,3,3,7,5,4,4,3)
Alfred (8,5,6,5,7,5,7,8,6,5)
Rowan (9,7,7,8,6,6,-,-,9,4)
Widener (-,9,9,9,8,8,-,6,-,8)
Hobart (7,-,10,10,9,-,6,9,8,10)
Union (6,-,-,-,-,10,8,10,7,-)
Montclair State (-,8,8,-,10,9,-,-,-,9)
Delaware Valley (5,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,10,-)
William Paterson (-,-,-,7,-,-,9,-,-,-)
Curry (-,-,-,-,-,-,10,-,-,-)
WPI (-,10,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)


Enjoy!

Quote from: budcrew08 on September 10, 2007, 09:29:15 PM


I usually don't do this, but who put Cortland at Number 2? They beat up Morrisville, but they lost Alex Smith again. They aren't worthy of that high of a ranking.

Quote from: Superman57 on September 10, 2007, 09:29:43 PM
ok who is voting Union at 6 hobart at 7 and del val at 5 but alfred at 8 and cortland @ 10

Quote from: Knightstalker on September 10, 2007, 09:51:11 PM
I had Cortland at 2, that is where they were on my poll last week and with the triple monkeystomp being delivered I wasn't going to drop them.  I kept Rowan at 7 because they didn't play and after only two weeks it is too early to drop teams because of injury or an off week.  I also voted Montclair in at 8 this week.  Personally I don't understand Union still in the top ten, they got pounded into next week by Springfield.

Quote from: pg04 on September 10, 2007, 11:13:12 PM
Yeah #10 for someone's poll has been designated NEFC country  :D

Quote from: Knightstalker on September 10, 2007, 09:51:11 PM
I had Cortland at 2, that is where they were on my poll last week and with the triple monkeystomp being delivered I wasn't going to drop them.  I kept Rowan at 7 because they didn't play and after only two weeks it is too early to drop teams because of injury or an off week.  I also voted Montclair in at 8 this week.  Personally I don't understand Union still in the top ten, they got pounded into next week by Springfield.

Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 11, 2007, 08:56:09 AM
Anyway...Money Cash Hoes, WPI 2-0????

Quote from: Cortland_Football on September 15, 2007, 07:42:58 PM
I told you not to jump too soon on Cortland...   ::)

Nice win today by Brockport.  They ran the ball hard and played solid defense.  Cortland has some major issues on offense, which weren't so obvious against a team like Morrisville.  I'm still thinking around 6 wins for the season, maybe an ECAC bid.  But this not a top Eastern team at the moment.

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 16, 2007, 10:19:27 AM
Yea I had 3 drop out this week....

Quote from: rams1102 on September 15, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
Maybe Montclair can break the Top 10 for the East.

pg04 - where were your picks this week?

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 16, 2007, 10:19:27 AM
Yea I had 3 drop out this week....

Quote from: Cortland_Football on September 17, 2007, 04:21:07 PM
Do any of you have Albright on your radar yet?  That opening season loss to Salisbury doesn't look so bad in retrospect.

12-42  Salisbury
42-17  Kean
30-7    Shenandoah

Next vs FDU-Florham

Quote from: Union89 on September 17, 2007, 04:50:59 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 16, 2007, 10:19:27 AM
Yea I had 3 drop out this week....

I'm with Utah....I dropped 3 teams out...

Quote from: pg04 on September 17, 2007, 07:55:21 PM
Important Programming Note:  Due to the fact that I am still doing work, I will have to push back the posting of the poll.  It should be out late tonight, early tommorrow... Thanks!!

Quote from: 'gro on September 17, 2007, 09:44:12 PM
Nobody's heard of Albright (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Albright&year=2007)?


I have no idea if they are good, but they are on top of the MAC right now.

Quote from: Superman57 on September 17, 2007, 09:40:50 PM
I have to give props to who ever gave Hartwick a vote...but if we're giving hartwick a vote shouldn't WNEC be up there too...

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 17, 2007, 09:50:04 PM
Allright boys.........who jumped on JU's Curry bandwagon....?

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Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 17, 2007, 10:56:07 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 17, 2007, 09:50:04 PM
Allright boys.........who jumped on JU's Curry bandwagon....?

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I'll own up to that one.  It's hard to keep people in the top 10 after last week.  I feel like no one has played anyone, and anyone who has played anyone has lost.  Does that make any sense?

Quote from: Knightstalker on September 17, 2007, 11:18:03 PM
I am the one who voted for Hartwick, I did a mental coin flip between Hartwick, WPU, Albright and Bport.  Hartwick ended up in my poll due to two factors.  I already had MSU, Rowan and Cortland in my top ten and I felt if I added WPU I would be accused of being a home for the NJAC.  The second factor was they beat the team that I had previously at #4 and was ranked 24th nationally going into the weekend.  I am trying to get my poll done before looking at the new top 25.  I use the top 25 from the previous week as part of my ranking criteria.

Quote from: Knightstalker on September 17, 2007, 11:18:03 PM
I am the one who voted for Hartwick, I did a mental coin flip between Hartwick, WPU, Albright and Bport.  Hartwick ended up in my poll due to two factors.  I already had MSU, Rowan and Cortland in my top ten and I felt if I added WPU I would be accused of being a homer for the NJAC.  The second factor was they beat the team that I had previously at #4 and was ranked 24th nationally going into the weekend.  I am trying to get my poll done before looking at the new top 25.  I use the top 25 from the previous week as part of my ranking criteria.

Quote from: Knightstalker on September 18, 2007, 12:16:07 AM
I was refering to Ithaca being ranked 24 last week.  I do not look at the new poll until I do my poll.

Quote from: pg04 on September 17, 2007, 09:56:11 PM
Reposting since it scrolled off...

East Region Fan Poll - Week 3 (9/17/07)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	St. John Fisher (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=St.+John+Fisher&year=2007) ( 10 )	3-0	100	1	at  #9 Ithaca
2	Alfred (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Alfred&year=2007)	2-0	80	6	vs. #5 Springfield
	RPI (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=RPI&year=2007)	2-0	80	4	at #7 Hobart
4	Montclair State (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Montclair+State&year=2007)	2-0	65	NR	at South Region #1 Wesley
5	Springfield (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Springfield&year=2007)	1-1	58	2	at  #2 Alfred
6	Rowan (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Rowan&year=2007)	1-1	51	7	vs. Widener
7	Hobart (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Hobart&year=2007)	1-1	48	9	vs.  2 RPI
8	William Paterson (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=William+Paterson&year=2007)	2-0	15	NR	vs. FDU-Florham
9	Ithaca (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Ithaca&year=2007)	2-1	14	3	vs. #1 St. John fisher
	WPI (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=WPI&year=2007)	3-0	14	NR	vs. Merchant Marine

Other receiving votes: Curry 6, Delaware Valley 6, Widener 5, Cortland State 4, Hartwick 1

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Fisher (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1)
Alfred (2,3,2,2,2,4,4,5,3,3)
RPI (3,5,3,3,4,2,2,4,2,2)
Montclair State (4,2,4,4,3,6,8,2,8,4)
Springfield (6,6,6,5,6,3,6,3,6,5)
Rowan (8,4,8,7,5,5,5,7,4,6)
Hobart (5,7,5,8,7,7,3,6,5,9)
William Paterson (-,-,-,6,8,8,10,-,-,8)
Ithaca (9,9,7,-,-,9,-,8,10,-)
WPI (7,8,-,-,10,10,9,-,-,7)
Curry (10,10,-,10,9,-,-,-,-,10)
Delaware Valley (-,-,-,-,-,-,7,-,9,-)
Widener (-,-,-,-,-,-,-,10,7,-)
Cortland State (-,-,9,-,-,-,-,9,-,-)
Hartwick (-,-,10,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)

Enjoy!  I got it done sooner than I thought as I got finished with my other stuff...

Quote from: pg04 on September 18, 2007, 12:40:43 AM
Other Talking points could be:

- RPI, Montclair, or Alfred...who is the 2nd best team in the region?

- Does William Paterson have staying power, or do we think they will drop out once the NJAC season starts?

- Rowan squeaked to a victory this weekend.  At the end of the season, where do they fit in the East Region?

- Is WPI really worth a spot in the top 10, even with the 3-0 record? 

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2007, 02:01:40 AM
Just because he was the backup doesn't mean he was second-best.

Quote from: Knightstalker on September 18, 2007, 07:26:41 AM
One thing I have learned over the years regarding Rowan is the backup at any position is as good as the starters in most programs in the region.  When a team consistantly does that they will maintain a high level of success.  Unfortunately they seem to always run into a team whose third string is as good as Rowans starters.

Quote from: pg04 on September 22, 2007, 09:30:10 PM
Rowan looked very very good as well.  The NJAC and the E8 control the east right now, with LL fitting RPI in their somewhere.  The MAC is really in shambles right now.  They might not get a team in for awhile. 

Quote from: pg04 on September 22, 2007, 09:35:04 PM


Hartwick barely beats Husson ( ???) 35-27

Quote from: Upstate on September 22, 2007, 09:37:56 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 22, 2007, 09:35:04 PM


Hartwick barely beats Husson ( ???) 35-27

they were so overlooking Husson.....maybe.

Quote from: AUPepBand on September 22, 2007, 09:47:41 PM

Quote from: Upstate on September 22, 2007, 09:37:56 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 22, 2007, 09:35:04 PM


Hartwick barely beats Husson ( ???) 35-27

they were so overlooking Husson.....maybe.

Husson is no slouch. New program, yes. Slouch, no.

Quote from: Upstate on September 22, 2007, 11:01:48 PM
What are the collective thoughts on brockport?  Worthy enough to sneak in?

Quote from: pg04 on September 17, 2007, 09:56:11 PM
Reposting since it scrolled off...

East Region Fan Poll - Week 3 (9/17/07)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	St. John Fisher (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=St.+John+Fisher&year=2007) ( 10 )	3-0	100	1	at  #9 Ithaca
2	Alfred (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Alfred&year=2007)	2-0	80	6	vs. #5 Springfield
	RPI (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=RPI&year=2007)	2-0	80	4	at #7 Hobart
4	Montclair State (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Montclair+State&year=2007)	2-0	65	NR	at South Region #1 Wesley
5	Springfield (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Springfield&year=2007)	1-1	58	2	at  #2 Alfred
6	Rowan (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Rowan&year=2007)	1-1	51	7	vs. Widener
7	Hobart (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Hobart&year=2007)	1-1	48	9	vs.  2 RPI
8	William Paterson (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=William+Paterson&year=2007)	2-0	15	NR	vs. FDU-Florham
9	Ithaca (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Ithaca&year=2007)	2-1	14	3	vs. #1 St. John fisher
	WPI (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=WPI&year=2007)	3-0	14	NR	vs. Merchant Marine

Other receiving votes: Curry 6, Delaware Valley 6, Widener 5, Cortland State 4, Hartwick 1

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Fisher (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1)
Alfred (2,3,2,2,2,4,4,5,3,3)
RPI (3,5,3,3,4,2,2,4,2,2)
Montclair State (4,2,4,4,3,6,8,2,8,4)
Springfield (6,6,6,5,6,3,6,3,6,5)
Rowan (8,4,8,7,5,5,5,7,4,6)
Hobart (5,7,5,8,7,7,3,6,5,9)
William Paterson (-,-,-,6,8,8,10,-,-,8)
Ithaca (9,9,7,-,-,9,-,8,10,-)
WPI (7,8,-,-,10,10,9,-,-,7)
Curry (10,10,-,10,9,-,-,-,-,10)
Delaware Valley (-,-,-,-,-,-,7,-,9,-)
Widener (-,-,-,-,-,-,-,10,7,-)
Cortland State (-,-,9,-,-,-,-,9,-,-)
Hartwick (-,-,10,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)

Enjoy!  I got it done sooner than I thought as I got finished with my other stuff...

Quote from: Superman57 on September 23, 2007, 12:17:54 AM
the fact of the matter is both teams still have huge games coming up...Fisher was able to exerocise some huge demons today...maybe superman will finally be able to sleep with out seeing bill struzzi streaking back to the end zone...although the image of rob kramer taking it 31 yards to the house is quite distrubing

Quote from: AUKazooTwo on September 23, 2007, 09:28:30 AM
New here... but uh, I'm thinking Alfred is #1.

And where can I read a recap of the Saxons dismantling Springfield?

Quote from: Upstate on September 23, 2007, 09:42:58 AM

Quote from: AUKazooTwo on September 23, 2007, 09:28:30 AM
New here... but uh, I'm thinking Alfred is #1.

And where can I read a recap of the Saxons dismantling Springfield?

besides being a homer, whats your logic behind that?

Dont just come on here proclaiming to be #1 in a poll w/o any reasoning behind that...

Quote from: AUKazooTwo on September 23, 2007, 09:28:30 AM
New here... but uh, I'm thinking Alfred is #1.

And where can I read a recap of the Saxons dismantling Springfield?

Quote from: Superman57 on September 23, 2007, 10:58:37 AM
first off, I believe that the new poster is Kazoo's former college roomate from Oregon who hated the winters...

secondly, whoever does the scheudling for alfred should be fired...how can you let 3 road games like that at the end of the season be there...and the fact is even if they beat Bart and Ithaca which is entirely possible...how much left in the tank will they have for the battle at growney

Quote from: Upstate on September 23, 2007, 09:42:58 AM

Quote from: AUKazooTwo on September 23, 2007, 09:28:30 AM
New here... but uh, I'm thinking Alfred is #1.

And where can I read a recap of the Saxons dismantling Springfield?

besides being a homer, whats your logic behind that?

Dont just come on here proclaiming to be #1 in a poll w/o any reasoning behind that...

Quote from: dewcrew88 on September 23, 2007, 02:35:02 PM

Quote from: Upstate on September 23, 2007, 09:42:58 AM

Quote from: AUKazooTwo on September 23, 2007, 09:28:30 AM
New here... but uh, I'm thinking Alfred is #1.

And where can I read a recap of the Saxons dismantling Springfield?

besides being a homer, whats your logic behind that?

Dont just come on here proclaiming to be #1 in a poll w/o any reasoning behind that...

Welcome to the board AUKazooTwo. I'll be blunt and to the point. Fisher is still number 1 until they are knocked off the top of the mountain.

Quote from: Cortland_Football on September 23, 2007, 11:41:21 PM
Fisher has to be the #1 until proven otherwise.  But I will say this about Alfred...their scores have impressed me more than any other team in Eastern Region so far.  I consider these teams to be #1 and #1A, with Montclair and RPI probably in a dead heat right behind them.

And me thinks Rowan is back in a big way with this freshman QB.  Don't be surprised if they beat Montclair and win the NJAC when all is said and done.

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 09:26:01 PM
I guess my overwhelming thought was of Montclair's total first 3 games, all of which as a whole are tougher than the Alfred Schedule. 

Quote from: Knightstalker on September 22, 2007, 11:15:36 PM
I am thinking that Montclair may deserve the #2 spot, they knocked a top ten ranked Springfield off last week and this week did the same to Wesley.  I think they have played a tougher schedule than Alfred so far.  That said, Alfred is right behind them in my opinion, almost like 2 and 2A.

Quote from: Union89 on September 24, 2007, 10:20:03 PM
U89 was wondering if Plymouth St. would get any love....even the NEFC rep. wouldn't throw them 1 vote??

Did we decide that the NESCAC was not included in this?  I can't bring myself to give them a vote, but I'm surprised no one else did.

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 09:12:47 PM
Montclair did just beat the #7 team on the road.  I think that is worthy of putting them in the 2 spot. 

The D3football.com poll also has Montclair ahead of Alfred.

Score Comparison does not work.  Haven't we seen that in the past?

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Do you think Alfred could beat Springfield on the road? How about Montclair?

The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher.  I probably wont see Alfred or Montclair live this year.  In fact, I will probably only see 2 non-nefc/nescac games live this year.  So comparative scores is all someone like me has to go on.  (and Im assuming most people in this poll will be the same)

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:07:13 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:07:13 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 11:09:13 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Do you think Alfred could beat Springfield on the road? How about Montclair?

The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher.  I probably wont see Alfred or Montclair live this year.  In fact, I will probably only see 2 non-nefc/nescac games live this year.  So comparative scores is all someone like me has to go on.  (and Im assuming most people in this poll will be the same)

You aren't saying who is better or not?  I sure as hell thought that was the point.  Fine since Carnegie Mellon the road beat U of R by more points than Fisher did, I guess CMU would probably beat Fisher and if in the East would be Ranked higher than Fisher, right? 

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:09:59 PM

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:07:13 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Not always.  Sometimes teams have bad games, or luck doesnt go their way.  Thats why appalachian st wasnt ranked ahead of michigan after week 1.

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:13:51 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:09:59 PM

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:07:13 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Huh, App. St wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan because they are neither better nor did they deserve a higher ranking



The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Not always.  Sometimes teams have bad games, or luck doesnt go their way.  Thats why appalachian st wasnt ranked ahead of michigan after week 1.

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:14:35 PM

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:13:51 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:09:59 PM

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:07:13 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Huh, App. St wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan because they are neither better nor did they deserve a higher ranking



The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Not always.  Sometimes teams have bad games, or luck doesnt go their way.  Thats why appalachian st wasnt ranked ahead of michigan after week 1.

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Ok.  Tell me why App St. wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan after week 1?

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:20:03 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:14:35 PM

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:13:51 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:09:59 PM

Quote from: SJFF82 on September 24, 2007, 11:07:13 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Huh, App. St wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan because they are neither better nor did they deserve a higher ranking



The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Not always.  Sometimes teams have bad games, or luck doesnt go their way.  Thats why appalachian st wasnt ranked ahead of michigan after week 1.

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Ok.  Tell me why App St. wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan after week 1?

Because it was a fluke, however your statement suggested that teams deserve to be ranked higher not because of their strength, but perhaps because of them "deserving it"  Then I pose the same question to you under your faulty logic:  Why wasnt App St ranked higher than Michigan after beating them?

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Do you think Alfred could beat Springfield on the road? How about Montclair?

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 11:27:14 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 24, 2007, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Do you think Alfred could beat Springfield on the road? How about Montclair?

Is it Alfred's third straight week on the road in your scenario, like it was for Springfield?

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Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Huh, App. St wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan because they are neither better nor did they deserve a higher ranking



The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Not always.  Sometimes teams have bad games, or luck doesnt go their way.  Thats why appalachian st wasnt ranked ahead of michigan after week 1.

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Ok.  Tell me why App St. wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan after week 1?

Because it was a fluke, however your statement suggested that teams deserve to be ranked higher not because of their strength, but perhaps because of them "deserving it"  Then I pose the same question to you under your faulty logic:  Why wasnt App St ranked higher than Michigan after beating them?

Well thats why I used the horribly worded phrase "arent really".  What my whole point is that sometimes a head to head competition is what really matters.  App. St isnt really a great example in the long run, because they dont play a schedule even close to what Michigan does.  But if they both went 9-1 and were the last two teams left to go to "bowl A" (And app st was d1), I would say App St deserved to go, (or be ranked higher) because they beat Michigan head to head.  Even though you and I know Michigan is better than App St., App St beat them and would deserve to get a spot over them if they both contended for one.

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Quote from: pg04 on September 24, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Huh, App. St wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan because they are neither better nor did they deserve a higher ranking



The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Not always.  Sometimes teams have bad games, or luck doesnt go their way.  Thats why appalachian st wasnt ranked ahead of michigan after week 1.

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Ok.  Tell me why App St. wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan after week 1?

Because it was a fluke, however your statement suggested that teams deserve to be ranked higher not because of their strength, but perhaps because of them "deserving it"  Then I pose the same question to you under your faulty logic:  Why wasnt App St ranked higher than Michigan after beating them?

Well thats why I used the horribly worded phrase "arent really".  What my whole point is that sometimes a head to head competition is what really matters.  App. St isnt really a great example in the long run, because they dont play a schedule even close to what Michigan does.  But if they both went 9-1 and were the last two teams left to go to "bowl A" (And app st was d1), I would say App St deserved to go, (or be ranked higher) because they beat Michigan head to head.  Even though you and I know Michigan is better than App St., App St beat them and would deserve to get a spot over them if they both contended for one.

Gotcha...sometimes its hard to get a point across when we are just typing random thoughts...so App St should be ahead of Michigan then....right.... ;D

Quote from: pg04 on August 24, 2007, 10:02:29 PM
EAST REGION PRESEASON FAN POLL!!!

Team(#1 Votes)       Points
1   Fisher(9)           99
2   Springfield(1)      79
3   Wilkes                 76
4   Rowan                74
5   Hobart                 38
6   Cortland State     37
7   RPI                    34
8   Union                  32
9   Ithaca                   27
10   Delaware Valley   25

Also Receiving Points:  Alfred 22, Rochester 2, Curry 2, Montclair State 1, Kean 1, Bridgewater State 1

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EAST REGION PRESEASON FAN POLL!!!

Team(#1 Votes)       Points
1   Fisher(9)           99
2   Springfield(1)      79
3   Wilkes                 76
4   Rowan                74
5   Hobart                 38
6   Cortland State     37
7   RPI                    34
8   Union                  32
9   Ithaca                   27
10   Delaware Valley   25

Also Receiving Points:  Alfred 22, Rochester 2, Curry 2, Montclair State 1, Kean 1, Bridgewater State 1

I just wanted to give props to Pep for convincing me to put Montclair on our preseason ballot.  This is why he's worthy of being E8PP Chairman!

Also notice how only 4 of the top 10 still remain.

Quote from: Boxer7806 on September 26, 2007, 09:19:12 PM
lookin at the poll it seems someone left curry out of their top ten but had hartwick at 8... dont see the logic in that when Wnec beats hartwick 48-21 and Curry just beat Wnec this past week 48-3...wondering if anyone else thinks Hartwick would beat Curry on a neutral site?

Quote from: 'gro on September 30, 2007, 09:47:02 AM
I don't have a vote, but I wouldn't drop SJF down past #2. 

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I don't have a vote, but I wouldn't drop SJF down past #2. Still have no idea what they are drinking down in Hartwick, but they have beat 2 good teams.

There's a big cluster at the top with SJF, Alfred, RPI, and Rowan.  Montclair and WPI should drop some, and give some votes to Hobart and 'Wick.

Quote from: Cortland_Football on September 30, 2007, 02:12:04 PM
While RPI is undefeated, I think an argument can be made for Rowan at #2.  A close road loss to open the season at a very good CNU team is nothing that should anchor them indefinitely.  Look at what they have done since.  41-0 over Widener?  40-18 over West Conn?  They are getting scary again.

I cannot help but wonder if Alfred is undefeated only because they haven't played Fisher, IC, and Hartwick yet.  Their scores have been convincing, but the real season is still ahead of them.

Time to introduce TCNJ into the conversation?  3-1 overall, 19-9 over Montclair.

Without question Hartwick has to be ranked, but I cannot wait to see where y'all put them. 

Especially with the WNEC-Hartwick score likely to be trumpeted by the NEFC all season, how far does Curry move up the poll since they are obviously the class of the conference?

The wild, wild East!  2007 is shaping up to be a lot of fun.

Quote from: Cortland_Football on September 30, 2007, 02:12:04 PM
While RPI is undefeated, I think an argument can be made for Rowan at #2.  A close road loss to open the season at a very good CNU team is nothing that should anchor them indefinitely.  Look at what they have done since.  41-0 over Widener?  40-18 over West Conn?  They are getting scary again.

I cannot help but wonder if Alfred is undefeated only because they haven't played Fisher, IC, and Hartwick yet.  Their scores have been convincing, but the real season is still ahead of them.

Time to introduce TCNJ into the conversation?  3-1 overall, 19-9 over Montclair.

Without question Hartwick has to be ranked, but I cannot wait to see where y'all put them. 

Especially with the WNEC-Hartwick score likely to be trumpeted by the NEFC all season, how far does Curry move up the poll since they are obviously the class of the conference?

The wild, wild East!  2007 is shaping up to be a lot of fun.

Quote from: Boxer7806 on September 26, 2007, 09:19:12 PM
lookin at the poll it seems someone left curry out of their top ten but had hartwick at 8... dont see the logic in that when Wnec beats hartwick 48-21 and Curry just beat Wnec this past week 48-3...wondering if anyone else thinks Hartwick would beat Curry on a neutral site?

Quote from: Tags on September 30, 2007, 09:15:20 PM
Anyone dare put Alfred #1 yet?

In my mind they should be awful close, and they have been tested - let's not forget the trouncing of Springfield.

On the flip side, I don't think they'll make it through IC and Fisher without losing one of those.

Quote from: AUPepBand on September 30, 2007, 09:19:47 PM
Alfred's always been #1 in my book -- no matter what their record.   ;)

Quote from: pg04 on October 01, 2007, 12:58:04 AM
If we were to hash out the Eastern Region top 10, using the D3football.com top 25, it would look like this:

1.  Fisher #10
2.  Rowan #19
3.  Alfred #20
4.  Montclair State #22
5.  RPI (25 Votes)
6.  Hartwick (3 votes)
7.  TCNJ (2 votes)

There are no other Eastern teams receiving votes. 

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Quote from: pg04 on October 01, 2007, 12:58:04 AM
If we were to hash out the Eastern Region top 10, using the D3football.com top 25, it would look like this:

1.  Fisher #10
2.  Rowan #19
3.  Alfred #20
4.  Montclair State #22
5.  RPI (25 Votes)
6.  Hartwick (3 votes)
7.  TCNJ (2 votes)

There are no other Eastern teams receiving votes. 

I'm amazed how the poll voters have such a hard time letting go of their early votes...Montclair finally broke into the pollsters minds, and then they go and lose to TCNJ, and Montclair is still up at #22, but TCNJ receives 2 votes?  That makes sense. 

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Quote from: pg04 on October 01, 2007, 12:58:04 AM
If we were to hash out the Eastern Region top 10, using the D3football.com top 25, it would look like this:

1.  Fisher #10
2.  Rowan #19
3.  Alfred #20
4.  Montclair State #22
5.  RPI (25 Votes)
6.  Hartwick (3 votes)
7.  TCNJ (2 votes)

There are no other Eastern teams receiving votes. 

I'm amazed how the poll voters have such a hard time letting go of their early votes...Montclair finally broke into the pollsters minds, and then they go and lose to TCNJ, and Montclair is still up at #22, but TCNJ receives 2 votes?  That makes sense. 

TCNJ got two votes too many, considering Muhlenberg didn't get any.

Sometimes results are just flukes. What we're not sure as voters is which one -- is Montclair/Wesley the fluke or is Montclair/TCNJ? They can't both be truly representative of Montclair State.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 12:10:11 PM
Ithaca could use one or two votes, but as you pointed out, only seven teams in the East actually got votes.

If I had been the person who voted for TCNJ and needed to throw votes at someone in the East, it'd have been Ithaca instead.

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Quote from: pg04 on October 01, 2007, 12:58:04 AM
If we were to hash out the Eastern Region top 10, using the D3football.com top 25, it would look like this:

1.  Fisher #10
2.  Rowan #19
3.  Alfred #20
4.  Montclair State #22
5.  RPI (25 Votes)
6.  Hartwick (3 votes)
7.  TCNJ (2 votes)

There are no other Eastern teams receiving votes. 

I'm amazed how the poll voters have such a hard time letting go of their early votes...Montclair finally broke into the pollsters minds, and then they go and lose to TCNJ, and Montclair is still up at #22, but TCNJ receives 2 votes?  That makes sense. 

TCNJ got two votes too many, considering Muhlenberg didn't get any.

Sometimes results are just flukes. What we're not sure as voters is which one -- is Montclair/Wesley the fluke or is Montclair/TCNJ? They can't both be truly representative of Montclair State.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 03:10:07 PM
Easily. What has any Centennial team done since, say, 1999 to merit inclusion?

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 03:10:07 PM
Easily. What has any Centennial team done since, say, 1999 to merit inclusion?