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Let the epithets flow free, it's Monon Bell week!  Discuss the game below...do the Dannies have a chance at knocking off an undefeated playoff bound Wabash team?  Will Wabash tie up the series at 35 since the introduction of the Bell?  How many Smirnoff Ices can a single Danny guy drink in a sitting?

Wabash Always Fights

Quote from: gobash on November 03, 2007, 04:56:27 PM
How many Smirnoff Ices can a single Danny guy drink in a sitting?

Wabash Always Fights

It...Depends  ;)

DePauw Swallows.

http://www.depauw.edu/av/fball/monon-ballad.mp3

I just love dusting this one off every year........ ;) ;) ;)

Do the Dannies have a chance?...of course they do...that's why you play the game. They have a good running game and a good QB...he's such a Dick though....
And...for them to be the spoiler for Wabash's undefeated season...quite the motivation. I think Wabash's passing attack with be too much for them...but our D has been suspect all year...so we'll see.

I want to see Pynenberg one-bite-eat the entirety of the DPU o-line, and then promptly belch up their cleats TIED TOGETHER.  Note I didn't say I wanted him to eat their QB...that would just invite some of those one-note "Wabash guys are gay" jokes that are the only refuge of the sparkling wits of DePauw.

But yeah, the temptation of playing spoiler is going to be awfully strong.  We're definitely going to have to bring our A+ game.  Bell games are hard enough, now they have a reason to get off their heated stadium seats and cheer.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go make out with like 20 guys.  (Oh no!  The jokes that will be made!)

Go Wabash!

As if the Bell itself isn't enough motivation, the possibility of two home playoff games should give the good guys additional motivation to finish the season the right way, and allow the Bell to complete the round trip back to the Allen Center.

I've seen Wabash play in person the last two years against Franklin, both games going to the home team, last year Franklin, this year Wabash and its clear to me Wabash will punish Depauw.  The Bell is safe in Wabash's talented hands.  In Indiana, the Franklin-Wabash game is quickly becoming the most competitive and excitng game each season.....I for one hope it continues for years to come!

Quote from: billrt66 on November 03, 2007, 11:39:41 PM
In Indiana, the Franklin-Wabash game is quickly becoming the most competitive and excitng game each season.....I for one hope it continues for years to come!

Dude, would you PLEASE take off the homervision goggles.   Read the title:

114th Annual Monon Bell Game

Just because Franklin has played Wabash close for two years doesn't make it a rivalry.   

Franklin/Wabash have played great games the last two seasons.  But those games don't even get close to Monon Bell games.  Not even close.  I hope Wabash and Franklin can get their rubber match in the playoffs this year, but please....they aren't Monon Bell games.  Bell games are different from any other game.  They're different from our Wittenberg games (which are the biggest non-Bell games of the year) and they're different from playoff games.  It's just a completely different kind of game.  Tivo the Monon Bell on Saturday...you may start to get an idea.

Agreed, wally. 

That's borderline blasphemy, there.

I work with a DePauw football alum out here in California. He commentd that for the Bell game, throw all the records out the window, they don't mean a thing. That's the kind of game I would love to see. Have fun all.

Yes, throw the records OUT of the window, onto the street. DPU will bring it, but I don't think it will be enough, thank goodness.

Oh, and the Wabash / Franklin rivalry ends now. Next year, 'Bash plays in the NCAC / UAA and has non conference games against Chicago and Wash U. Depending on how successful it is - that may stick around for a while. Three of the four UAA teams have been pretty decent recently. 

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.depauw.edu%2F%40depauw%2Fsept2002%2Fimages%2FBell.jpg&hash=d4535910ca6252910d53d9ff39af0622b10f3817)

CC and the boys need to keep this a few more years.

One of the keys for the Game is for Marks to be contained by the Hard Hats.   I am sure Depauw will try to get a hold of the Wooster game film.   Also, pressure on Spud will be important.   

I saw a dude decked out in DPU gear at the Wooster game...I can't imagine he just happened to be in the area.  They'll at the very least have detailed notes from our yawner over in Wooster.  But I'm really not concerned about it.  As I detailed last week, Wooster got massive chunks of yards on two plays (one a meaningless qb scramble at the end of the first half) and were pretty much contained for the rest of the game.  It really wasn't as bad as it seemed at the time. 

You can definitely scrap the records.  DePauw hasn't had anything else to play for since the Trinity game and have no doubt used the interim to focus on Wabash and to get healthy.  I'm guessing DePauw will come into this game about as healthy as they've been all year and will give Wabash all they can handle. 

 - I am sure Depauw will try to get a hold of the Wooster game film.

Or live scout the games.  Any Wally who was at the 98 drubbing (also a 9-0 team) knows better than to be too overconfident going into a Bell game.  The sad reality of D3 football is there is far too little crossover to really get a gauge on what level of competition someone in a different region is playing at.  The dannies have losses to Millsaps and Trinity.  The latter is playoff bound - the former probably should be.  Much as I would be (and probably will be) somewhat nervous playing a "number seven seed in name only" team like Capital in the first round, I would never underestimate the Dannies; in wine cooler chugging, kicking fat girls out of sororities, misspelling the word 'sheep,' or having daddy pay off the officials. 

On that last note - are we getting a SCAC crew for next saturday's game?

P.S. - The dannies did put up a nice retrospective of the rivalry in video form.  Operation Frijoles is still my all time favorite though. 
Click here for the story: http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1965.mov (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1965.mov)

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 04, 2007, 02:28:33 PM
I saw a dude decked out in DPU gear at the Wooster game...I can't imagine he just happened to be in the area. 

Yes.  Exactly.  Because we would sure send a scout over there and dress him in head to toe in DePauw gear.  Perhaps that's S.O.P. at Wabash, and that's fine, but those of us who wear Ralph Lauren and live in Geist didn't get this far on our old man's money by doing something that stupid.

It was an alum/parent who went.  He emailed me about the column.  I can forward that email to you, if you like.  You'll be pleased to know he went for the simple purpose of putting your britches in a bunch.  It seems to me that he was correct in his assumption that you would be freak out about it and accuse DPU of shady "Belichickian tactics" (his term not mine).

Easy, Wes.  I'm not bothered by it all.  Any sort of gentlemen's agreements we may have had about live scouting and such went out the window about ten years ago.  Whether he was there simply as a football fan or if he was there to take notes really doesn't matter and I don't think it really matters if he's being subtle about it or not either.  Scouting is a big part of getting prepared...I'd expect DePauw to have eyes on more Wabash games than not and I'd expect that Wabash has had some eyes on the Tigers over the course of the season as well.  It's the nature of the beast these days. 

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 04, 2007, 02:28:33 PMDePauw hasn't had anything else to play for since the Trinity game

And this differs from every other year how? Well, except 2005 of course.  ;)

I am being easy.  :) 

What?  Everybody else gets to tell jokes and I don't?

Dude, read the entry....... didn't say it was a more historical rivalry, just made the point that Wabash clearly has the upper hand in talent and should keep the Bell easily. No homer goggles needed to easily see that.  Learn to accept a compliment from a competitor.....it will help with the blood pressure this week!

Quote from: billrt66 on November 04, 2007, 09:50:05 PM
Dude, read the entry....... didn't say it was a more historical rivalry, just made the point that Wabash clearly has the upper hand in talent and should keep the Bell easily. No homer goggles needed to easily see that.  Learn to accept a compliment from a competitor.....it will help with the blood pressure this week!

Billrt66,
I think people jumped on you mostly because of the "most exciting game each season" part. Save for getting to someday play at the Stagg Bowl, Wabash fans will never get as excited about a game as they do about the Bell Rivalry. And that's a big maybe seeing how much the Bell means to people. I can't speak for DePauw, but I'm guessing they feel about the same way.

But to that end, even last year after playing Franklin very hard, Wabash still had to bring 110% to beat DePauw. Save for 2002, if I remember correctly, recent years of the Bell Game have always been separated by 10 points or less. It doesn't get more competitive than that.

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I am being easy.   

What?  Everybody else gets to tell jokes and I don't?

No one would want you to compromise your journalistic integrity with flippant, sophomoric humor, Wes.  BTW, kudos on a very enjoyable, weekly read.  8)

Personally impressed that your DPU contact braved the undesirable elements at Wooster.  Without the crustless watercress sandwiches, chablis, or bleacher-side crumpet preparation sans linen and silver tea service availability of the concession menu at Papp, it must have been less than satisfying.   ;D

Quote from: cave2bens on November 05, 2007, 09:06:59 AM
No one would want you to compromise your journalistic integrity with flippant, sophomoric humor, Wes.  BTW, kudos on a very enjoyable, weekly read.  8)

Thanks much!  I do appreciate it.  We'll try to have something special tomorrow afternoon. 

Probably not much in there that us faithful followers don't already know, but we'll do our best.

I look for Hard Hat D to bring their A game.  Believe they will concentrate upon removing Marks as a factor (as much as possible).  This may provide an opportunity for the Dannies to Dick around a little with the pass ... but a Dick is a Dick is a Dick and ain't no H & H (Huff or Hudson).

What needs to happen is for Wabash running game to get going ... GO YOU Penn and Ben Davis! 

PLUS:  special teams special teams special teams.  Loved seeing Wabash hit those extra points vs. Denison.  If we can stop run backs of punts/kick offs ... and keep the field long rather than short, Hard Hat D will will out.

Can't stand those Dannies (except for the one I married and she now wears the red.)  Look for them to bring trick plays, no huddle, anything ... some of which will work.  They have nothing to lose by a fake punt or statue of liberty or lateral pass etc.   Wabash needs to be vigilant for this type shanigans.  Wabash needs to adopt the same "nothing to lose" attitude and take it to them.  The times I recall we struggled was when we were the better team (as is now) and played NOT to lose rather than play towax the S%$T out of them.

Just remember:  DePauw blood does make the grass grow greener.  There is free beer just beyond the endzone (at the Wabash tailgates), and  the referees in fact have no father.

OOOOOoooooo WWWWAaaaaa WWWWWWaaaaa

I don't know a lot about the DPU O line but who do they have on the front that can keep Darryl Kennon in check?  Spud is not super mobile and I think the Bash D will definitely get pressure on him.  Just noticed today that Kennon is in the top 5 in D3 in QB sacks...  They'll have to double team DK and then Bubba can get loose.

Can the DPU D slow the Wabash O?

I just think this game comes down to experience and talent and Bash has the edge in both categories. 

Hasn't been much (any, really) DPU participation in this thread yet - thought I'd change that while I have a spare moment (which have been few and far between lately).

BB#16 - In regards to Kennon, I figure DPU will either keep a TE in to double him or keep Marks back in pass protection. 31's actually really good in pass protect - DPU was able to virtually eliminate the SCAC's sack leader (D. Hendricks of Rhodes) last week because they kept Marks back on a lot of pass plays.

Kind of an interesting matchup in this one - Wallies are 9-0 without having played anybody over the last eight games (the win over Franklin was quality, but as I recall, you had a different QB that day), while DPU is 7-2 with losses to the only two 'somebodies' on their schedule (though the Millsaps game was close w/o Marks until the D ran out of gas in the fourth quarter, which was an indirect result of Marks' absence). Does that make it tough to get a feel on exactly how good either of these teams is? I'll go out on a limb and say that if these two teams traded schedules, they'd also trade records. So I'm not gleaning much from SoS or the records or anything like that in this one.

Early-week gut feeling: this smells like another 3-7 point game, decided by turnovers and special teams.

My two chief concerns as a DPU fan: can they continue to improve against the spread passing attack? (They struggled to contain it early on but showed marked improvement when Rhodes tried it out on them last week.) And will inconsistency in the field goal kicking game come back to bite them?

I'm fairly confident DPU will be able to move the ball on the ground. The o-line's been great all season. DPU's gotta shorten the game with long drives, even if they don't lead to points. Think Tony Dungy's strategy against the Pats yesterday, starring our 31 as their 29 (and hopefully with a different end result).

Should be another excellent game - I've seen three great ones so far in my time at DPU and am looking forward to this one. That's the one thing we can all agree on - you gotta love this game!

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 05, 2007, 05:47:19 PM
Kind of an interesting matchup in this one - Wallies are 9-0 without having played anybody over the last eight games (the win over Franklin was quality, but as I recall, you had a different QB that day), while DPU is 7-2 with losses to the only two 'somebodies' on their schedule (though the Millsaps game was close w/o Marks until the D ran out of gas in the fourth quarter, which was an indirect result of Marks' absence). Does that make it tough to get a feel on exactly how good either of these teams is? I'll go out on a limb and say that if these two teams traded schedules, they'd also trade records. So I'm not gleaning much from SoS or the records or anything like that in this one.

I'll choose to disagree here, Lefty.  If we traded schedules, Wabash would have at the very least split with Trinity and Millsaps, primarily because those were home games. 

Franklin is a better win than anybody on DPU's schedule (remember that Wabash had the enormous disadvantage of having to open with Franklin who had already had one game under their belt...the whole biggest improvement is from the first to second game theory) and Witt is a better win than any of DPU's seven wins.  No doubt Wabash has more than their fair share of cupcakes on the schedule, but we really can't force Denison and Earlham to get good.  They have to want to do that on their own.   

As far as DK goes...you can double him or chip him or whatever, but then who's got Bubba or Gangloff (I'm hoping Gangloff is ready to go on Saturday) or the occasional blitzing All-American linebacker?  Wabash will be in the DePauw offensive backfield, it's really just a matter of how DePauw wants to let it happen. 

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 05, 2007, 06:56:45 PM
As far as DK goes...you can double him or chip him or whatever, but then who's got Bubba or Gangloff (I'm hoping Gangloff is ready to go on Saturday) or the occasional blitzing All-American linebacker?

The other five offensive linemen, presumably.

In all seriousness - DPU will probably throw short slants and hitches if the pressure gets to be a factor. That's something they've done all year.

Fair point on Wittenberg - but I'm still not sure you could have beaten Trinity or Millsaps at home, on the road, or on Mars. But that's really not relevant, is it? Just something fun to ponder while we wait for the actual game.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 05, 2007, 07:10:53 PM
Fair point on Wittenberg - but I'm still not sure you could have beaten Trinity or Millsaps at home, on the road, or on Mars. But that's really not relevant, is it? Just something fun to ponder while we wait for the actual game.

No, it isn't really relevant but what is relevant from those games (and now is as good a time as any to start talking about past performance and stats and such), is that Trinity and Millsaps shredded DPU's defense.  Wabash comes to town with a more efficient passing game than either of those two teams.  I would have to think that this is concern A-1...far more than Wabash's defensive line is because if you can't keep the other guys out of the endzone it really won't matter if you're blocking Kennon or not. 

I'm definitely not going to count chickens here and assume that Wabash is going to throw all over the Tiger D.  DPU did an awesome job on Harbaugh in '05 who was flat out surgical that season (some wind and some kid named Hertel had a lot to do with that), so it isn't a given that Hudson is going to come in and have his way.  But this matchup looks like it favors Wabash in a pretty big way. 

DPULefty,

"In the Millsaps game until the D ran out of gas???"  Are you being serious?  528 total yards for Millsaps & 475 of that through the air.  Yikes.  Wasn't it 28-3 at one point?

Playing the Marks injury card...how about losing Dustin Huff for 8 games, how about not having Mike Russell for the first half of the season, losing our starting OT, losing a starting OG...would a, could a, should a......

Comparing Chris Creighton's Wabash Offense to Rhodes is a bit of a reach.  Rhodes averages 13.8 points per game.  Wabash averages 32.4 points per game and just under 400 yards per game in total O.

Who would have the better WR corps....Wabash, Millsaps, or Trinity???  I know who I would take.  I see another area of concern with regards to mismatches.

Didn't you barely beat Colorado College 41-40 in double OT?  Millsaps blasted them 68-6?  You guys play the weak schedule justification every year...who have you played?  Anderson?  Austin?  1-6 Birmingham-Southern was tough as nails in your decisive 28-24 win.

The swapping records statement is also a bold, very bold statement.

What's your ALL TIME playoff record?

OK, let's take this slow.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 05, 2007, 07:27:22 PM
DPULefty,

"In the Millsaps game until the D ran out of gas???"  Are you being serious?  528 total yards for Millsaps & 475 of that through the air.  Yikes.  Wasn't it 28-3 at one point?

It was 14-3 after three quarters. Tiger O couldn't stay on the field because they couldn't get a consistent running game going.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 05, 2007, 07:27:22 PMPlaying the Marks injury card...how about losing Dustin Huff for 8 games, how about not having Mike Russell for the first half of the season, losing our starting OT, losing a starting OG...would a, could a, should a......

That's fair.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 05, 2007, 07:27:22 PMComparing Chris Creighton's Wabash Offense to Rhodes is a bit of a reach.  Rhodes averages 13.8 points per game.  Wabash averages 32.4 points per game and just under 400 yards per game in total O.

I wasn't intending to make a comparison in ability - clearly, that's not close. In fact, I really hadn't meant to make a comparison at all.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 05, 2007, 07:27:22 PMWho would have the better WR corps....Wabash, Millsaps, or Trinity???  I know who I would take.  I see another area of concern with regards to mismatches.

Truthfully, I'd probably take Trinity. And I'd take both Joseph and Barmore at QB over Hudson. But again, neither here nor there.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 05, 2007, 07:27:22 PMDidn't you barely beat Colorado College 41-40 in double OT?  Millsaps blasted them 68-6?  You guys play the weak schedule justification every year...who have you played?  Anderson?  Austin?  1-6 Birmingham-Southern was tough as nails in your decisive 28-24 win.

The swapping records statement is also a bold, very bold statement.

Sure it is. You're free to disagree. I think we've got a pretty good football team and that we'd acquit ourselves rather nicely in the NCAC.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 05, 2007, 07:27:22 PMWhat's your ALL TIME playoff record?

Objection! Relevance.

I don't think saying that one conference is better than the other has a whole lot of weight.  I think Wabash matches up better with Millsaps and Trinity if #4 is back there instead of Hudson, but that's relatively moot.

While the NCAC is a good golly awful 9-19 out of the conference and the SCAC is 10-4 out of the conference, that doesn't tell us much.  The SCAC's best out of conference opponents are the ASC's Miss. Coll. (Millsaps lost) and the UAA"s Wash U. (Rhodes got kicked in the teeth).

The conference argument is one that us DePauw folk have used each of the last two years, if I recall.  Certainly last year, and in '05 or '04.  I don't remember exactly.  They all blend together into pages and pages of arguing for me.  Anywho, that argument sure didn't get us very far.  I think saying that Wabash is weak because they haven't played anybody only works if DePauw can win one of these babies.  THEN we might have a case. 

My original point was that I think I'm being fair in saying that Wabash hasn't been truly tested by a good football team with a non-Huffian QB.  DePauw CAN play like that team this Saturday.  The question is whether you see the team that played well against Trinity early or the team that played poorly against Trinity late.  Maybe the few small tinkers they made to the pass defense scheme worked.  We won't know until Saturday.  Running them against Austin and Rhodes sure didn't tell me anything concrete.  They weren't healthy against TU and they weren't healthy against Millsaps.  They will be this Saturday.  They've really been truly healthy for the opener, and the last two weeks and that's it.  Is that enough?  I dunno.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 05, 2007, 07:23:26 PM

No, it isn't really relevant but what is relevant from those games (and now is as good a time as any to start talking about past performance and stats and such), is that Trinity and Millsaps shredded DPU's defense.  Wabash comes to town with a more efficient passing game than either of those two teams.  I would have to think that this is concern A-1...far more than Wabash's defensive line is because if you can't keep the other guys out of the endzone it really won't matter if you're blocking Kennon or not. 

According to the most recent NCAA stats (a week old) Wabash holds a slim edge over Trinity when you look at the PER (Wabash is 8th [164.2], Trinity 13th [156.2]) but trails in term of yardage per game (292 Wabash to 311 Trinity).   So DePauw has seen a pretty good approximation of what they will face on Saturday; I would imagine the PER difference comes largely from a few more INTs thrown by Trinity.   

As has already been mentioned on this thread...with no common opponents and different conferences in different parts of the country, it's virtually impossible to accurately compare the two teams. As far as conference strength is concerned...the SCAC was ranked 16th out of 25 while the NCAC was 18th....not a big difference.  Yes, the NCAC was a weak conference this year and was down...but the SCAC wasn't much better.
In yesteryear when DPU and Wabash were in the same conference...and then after that we played some similar teams...it was easier to gauge.
Also, I wouldn't make a big deal of beating Franklin with Huff vs. Hudson. Hudson has come a long way and has put up great numbers. With Huff being a 5th year senior...he'd have an edge between the two...but I'll take Hudson to face anyone...and I think we'd do just as well.
I look for it to be like the 2005 game...Wabash was undefeated...DePauw was 7-1 and it was at Greencastle. Wabash won by 3.
It'll be a great game. Just so sad that the game has become just like every other rivalry game. The thing that used to set Wabash/DePauw apart was the fan involvment before, during, and after the game. That may be why Keith McMillan didn't think it was really anything special when he attended the two Monon Bell games?  At least, that was the impression I got when he commented on attending. I reread the 1973 Sports Illustrated article about the Monon Bell game again to prepare for this week. If you have never read the piece by John Underwood, the renown SI writer, it's worth your time.

Huh, I got the impression Keith had a good time.  Wonder if we could get him in here to weigh in...we could pretend we have a beer for him, and lure him into the thread.

And I'm not sure I understand what you mean about fan involvement.  Wally and I annually broke into the president of our company's office by going up through the ceiling and over from a conference room and decking it all out in red and white.  She was a DPU grad, and she loved it.  She bought a banner one year that covered a large part of the front of the building, but what she didn't realize was that the letters were all stick on.  We had completely re-arranged the banner to support Wabash by the time she got in Monday morning, and made the Tiger paw look like it was flipping her off.

Good times.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 05, 2007, 08:41:40 PM

My original point was that I think I'm being fair in saying that Wabash hasn't been truly tested by a good football team with a non-Huffian QB. 

Wes, I think you are being unfair to Wittenberg (wow, it pains me to say that...lol).  Two losses (#18 Capital and #9 Wabash) certainly suggests that it is a good football team as much as a two loss team from the SCAC that has lost to #13 Trinity and an " also receiving votes" Milsaps.  Wabash played without Huff in that one and came out with the win.  Of course, these exercises are the stuff that bar bets and message boards live on...

Quote from: WAF78 on November 05, 2007, 09:27:53 PM
Just so sad that the game has become just like every other rivalry game.   

I have to disagree with WAF78 on this one. I have attended every Monon Bell game in person since 1979 and I do not think that it has become just like every other rivalry game.  Instead, I think that it is difficult for those who are not in the Wabash or DPU communities to truly appreciate the depth of the rivalry.  That is not a criticism of Keith or anyone else...but instead a recognition that you have to be around the rivalry for a long time to get it.

I think it will be a great game between two teams that will play with intensity to the last whistle. 

From Keith's 2005 column:    http://www.d3football.com/atn.php?id=90 (http://www.d3football.com/atn.php?id=90)

Since I was there, I can say that there Monon Bell game is second to none in Division III. Wabash and DePauw sit 27 miles apart in a stretch of central Indiana where there isn't much else to get excited about. But they've been doing the season-ending game for both teams big since 1890, and it's as chippy now as it ever was. Wabash hung on for a 17-14 win this season in a game where the play along the lines was fierce and both quarterbacks were warrior-like. They lead the series 52-51-9.

But no tale from game day summarizes how big the rivalry is like this does: As soon as I wrote I was coming, three Wabash e-mails arrived, politely thanking me for choosing to attend but mentioning how much better the game is when not at DePauw. Now that's a rivalry.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2007, 09:08:39 PM

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 05, 2007, 07:23:26 PM

No, it isn't really relevant but what is relevant from those games (and now is as good a time as any to start talking about past performance and stats and such), is that Trinity and Millsaps shredded DPU's defense.  Wabash comes to town with a more efficient passing game than either of those two teams.  I would have to think that this is concern A-1...far more than Wabash's defensive line is because if you can't keep the other guys out of the endzone it really won't matter if you're blocking Kennon or not. 

According to the most recent NCAA stats (a week old) Wabash holds a slim edge over Trinity when you look at the PER (Wabash is 8th [164.2], Trinity 13th [156.2]) but trails in term of yardage per game (292 Wabash to 311 Trinity).   So DePauw has seen a pretty good approximation of what they will face on Saturday; I would imagine the PER difference comes largely from a few more INTs thrown by Trinity.   

The per game yardage is a little uneven...of course, Wabash hasn't had the chance to throw on DPU's secondary yet.   ;D

Quote from: gobash on November 05, 2007, 09:32:14 PM
Huh, I got the impression Keith had a good time.  Wonder if we could get him in here to weigh in...we could pretend we have a beer for him, and lure him into the thread.

I recall reading K-Mack's blog from Blackstock in '05 and it seemed like he enjoyed the experience.  I've since seen him post that Wabash/Depauw is at or near the top of the list of D-III rivalry games (the Cortaca Jug game being the other preeminent rivalry game).  And that's not to say that others aren't awesome in their own way...they're all unique and different and special in their own way.  I don't think it's fair to say which is better.  They're all good, they're just all good in their own way. 

Quote from: gobash on November 05, 2007, 09:32:14 PM
And I'm not sure I understand what you mean about fan involvement.  Wally and I annually broke into the president of our company's office by going up through the ceiling and over from a conference room and decking it all out in red and white.  She was a DPU grad, and she loved it.  She bought a banner one year that covered a large part of the front of the building, but what she didn't realize was that the letters were all stick on.  We had completely re-arranged the banner to support Wabash by the time she got in Monday morning, and made the Tiger paw look like it was flipping her off.

Good times.

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:D ;D :P

I think WAF78 is looking for a little more of this

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We just can't steal borrow something we already have.  ;)

Quote from: gobash83 on November 05, 2007, 09:40:59 PM
Wes, I think you are being unfair to Wittenberg (wow, it pains me to say that...lol).  Two losses (#18 Capital and #9 Wabash) certainly suggests that it is a good football team as much as a two loss team from the SCAC that has lost to #13 Trinity and an " also receiving votes" Milsaps.  Wabash played without Huff in that one and came out with the

Perhaps.  I may concede that, but I'm not sure that changes my conclusion much.  Maybe I did sell Witt a tad short.  The Cap result does say a lot about Witt, I think.  Dunno why you'd want to go ahead and get your post-season hopes dashed right out of the gate, but whatever, man.  I'd really hate to be in a situation where I knew I had to beat Wabash to get in the playoffs (2005). 

Anywho, 7-2 Witt played Wabash close, and I think if 7-2 DePauw plays well, they'll play Wabash close, as well.  They'll have to run the ball better than Witt did, that's for sure.

As I said, I don't think it makes that big of a difference.  Everybody knows what each team is going to do.  Everybody knows how talented the other team is.  Everybody knows what plays they're going to run.  This hasn't been much of a thinking man's series over the past few years.  Not sure anybody has out smarted anybody else in recent years (maybe with the exception of the Creighton timeout to make DPU kick the FG into the wind at the end of the 1st Q in '05).  It seems to me that whoever executes better has won the football game.   Whether or not Wabash played good Witt, Wooster, and OWU or bad Witt, Wooster, and OWU may not effect how sharply the LG's execute in this football game.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 05, 2007, 10:27:35 PM
Perhaps.  I may concede that, but I'm not sure that changes my conclusion much.  Maybe I did sell Witt a tad short.  The Cap result does say a lot about Witt, I think.  Dunno why you'd want to go ahead and get your post-season hopes dashed right out of the gate, but whatever, man.  I'd really hate to be in a situation where I knew I had to beat Wabash to get in the playoffs (2005). 

Anywho, 7-2 Witt played Wabash close, and I think if 7-2 DePauw plays well, they'll play Wabash close, as well.  They'll have to run the ball better than Witt did, that's for sure.

As I said, I don't think it makes that big of a difference.  Everybody knows what each team is going to do.  Everybody knows how talented the other team is.  Everybody knows what plays they're going to run.  This hasn't been much of a thinking man's series over the past few years.  Not sure anybody has out smarted anybody else in recent years (maybe with the exception of the Creighton timeout to make DPU kick the FG into the wind at the end of the 1st Q in '05).  It seems to me that whoever executes better has won the football game.   Whether or not Wabash played good Witt, Wooster, and OWU or bad Witt, Wooster, and OWU may not effect how sharply the LG's execute in this football game.

This is the first time in the 8 years that Wabash has been playing Witt and DePauw in the same season that DePauw has a better run game than Witt.  And it's really not even close this time around. 

The thing with our game against Witt is that that game has become extraordinarily intense and extraordinarily huge.  Rarely does a week go by in the Springfield, OH fishwrap where a player or coach doesn't mention Wabash in some fashion...Wabash has become the game that they circle every year.  About the only thing that rivalry is missing right now is a traveling trophy and about 100 years of history.  Otherwise, the intensity (for players, coaches, and fans) is about the same as it is for the Bell game (state's exhibit A: Wabash drew over 4,000 for the Witt game this year...during fall break...there's only one other team we could schedule on fall break and draw that kind of crowd).  You can pretty much throw the records out when Witt and Wabash get together.  Of course, the game is typically for first place and a stranglehold on the conference title, so the records are pretty important. 

I digress...the point is that Witt is a good team and that game is a pretty intense rivalry game, so any win over Witt is a good win.

Please remember.  Keith is a former Randolph-Macon player.  He has his own "The Game"...RMC versus Hampden-Sydney. 

For Wabash postersl...who is the toughest team you've played this year...and why?

Quote from: INQBScout on November 06, 2007, 06:48:11 AM
For Wabash postersl...who is the toughest team you've played this year...and why?

I think the answer here is Franklin....Franklin is the best team on Wabash's 2007 schedule and Franklin had a one-game head start on Wabash. 

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2007, 10:14:22 AM
and Franklin had a one-game head start on Wabash. 

I'm not sure why the Franklin game is always clarified with that statement.  It's like you're trying to make the result sound better.  I don't understand.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 05, 2007, 05:47:19 PM
Kind of an interesting matchup in this one - Wallies are 9-0 without having played anybody over the last eight games

Now, I wouldn't call Wittenberg a 'nobody' - they still have an outside shot at a "C" bid Lord willing, the creeks don't rise, and some teams win whilst others lose.

C'mon Wes...
You surely know that the first game of the year can be rough...seeing who can play and who can't, etc. ...and a team that has one game under its belt has a bit of an advantage when playing a team that is playing its first game. So, while there doesn't need to be a lot of emphasis on that...I think it is important to note. That's all.
Also, I stand corrected about Keith's comments. I seemed to have read something last year where he didn't think it was any different than R-M/H-S or any other big rivalry. I've slept since then...so maybe I didn't read that right.
An example of fan participation...my first Monon Bell game...I was a senior in high school and was being recruited by DPU. I was visiting DPU for the Monon Bell weekend, sitting on the DPU side. Sometime during the first half...while the teams were on the field, this guy runs from the DPU sideline, across the field to the Wabash sideline...waving something over his head. The Wabash sideline goes absolutely nuts....everyone's standing and cheering...What was the guy waving over his head?...it was the Tiger's tail from the DPU mascot uniform...he had relieved the Tiger mascot of its tail and ran across the field to the joy of the Wabash crowd. Halftime came...and the DPU band took the field. As the DPU band took the field...the whole Wabash student section emptied...and went to the West endzone at Blackstock. They had signs, guys on guys shoulders and all of them had kazoos. After the DPU band had done a couple of tunes...the Wabash men took the field...while the DPU band was still there...doing their kazoo tunes. I was amazed because I had never seen anything like this. I laughed so hard...there were other things that day as well...but I'll keep it to this.
Hey...the rivalry is what it is...and it's a great one. With today's political correctness and litigious society...and the loss of a sense of humor in college leadership...I realize these things don't happen anymore.
One more note...my senior year...and I'm bypassing all the stuff that happened during the previous three years during the games...it's Thursday before the DPU game and we're coming to the Monon Bell Chapel. Across the front of the chapel...some Wabash guys have stolen the huge DPU sign that marked the DPU exit off of I-70 and have leaned it up against the pillars of the chapel. The Wabash community then wrote their names on the sign (I have no idea what happened to that sign). A great picture in the yearbook that year is the president of the college, President Seymour, leading a Wabash yell...standing in front of the DPU sign before going into chapel.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 06, 2007, 10:29:00 AM

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2007, 10:14:22 AM
and Franklin had a one-game head start on Wabash. 

I'm not sure why the Franklin game is always clarified with that statement.  It's like you're trying to make the result sound better.  I don't understand.

It's important to the context of that particular game.  If you subscribe to the theory that teams make their biggest improvement from game 1 to game 2 (I do and I'm far from alone on this), then it is important to keep in mind.  The win over Franklin was good, the win over Franklin with a game under their belt already is even better.  

Two comments on the rivalry:


1965 ... Poster tacked all over DPU as well as DPU President's door: 
"Congratulations to President Crudspatter on:
1) Winning the No Bell Prize, snf
2) Granting $20,000 in Scholarships to Needy Wabash Students"


In 1962 when I was a senior in HS and attending the GAME at DPU ... sitting on thew Wabash side, two events had an impact on my decision to choose Wabash:

1)  While walking to the stadium, we were passed by about 20 Wabash Men carrying what looked like a 2' by 12' long board with cross p[ieces nailed to it (looked like a chicken run into the chicken coop).  All of a sudden they turned, slapped it against the fence, and all ran up the chicken run and into Blackstock stadium, getting lost in the crowd and leaving the Dannie constables to collecting the chicken run.

2) Later in the game, DPU chose to announce "give a hand to the DPU seniors playing in their last game".  Suddenly, up from the stands on the Wabash side came 3 large poster hands (about 4 feet in size) with ... you guessed it ... the middle finger appropriately raised in salute to the DPU-ers.  (By the by, my wife ... unknown to me at that time and a DPU Freshman ... was sitting on the DPU side and (as I later found out) found this quite entertaining.   She already was on her way to being a Wabash fan.

These are a couple of stories from the rivalry and fun which (... by the way ... DPU more than Wabash but Wabash is also not without blame) has been stifled somewhat by all the security fencing and gestapo guards (which may be needed to protect our borders but are not necessary to protect "us" against antics by our next generations of doctors, dentists, educators, lawyers, and business leaders.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2007, 10:53:16 AM
It's important to the context of that particular game.  If you subscribe to the theory that teams make their biggest improvement from game 1 to game 2 (I do and I'm far from alone on this), then it is important to keep in mind.  The win over Franklin was good, the win over Franklin with a game under their belt already is even better. 

Fair enough.  I see your point.  But, at the same time, I know many a coach who would say that they'd like the extra week of their defense preparing against a similar (and probably better) offense in practice instead of having to get prepared for a middle of the road team.  Then you've only got 5 days to prepare for the best team on your schedule.  Just a difference in opinion from person to person.  *shrug*

I don't think I'd put myself and my football team in a situation where I open against a top tier football team.  I mentioned as much when I was talking about Witt opening @ Capital.  It's a risk you take, I suppose.  It cost you last year and you were rightfully upset about it.  But, it may pay off this year with a high seed in the North if you win on Saturday.  Especially since Wheaton lost.  You've got a good shot at the 2 seed.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 06, 2007, 11:16:25 AM
I don't think I'd put myself and my football team in a situation where I open against a top tier football team.  I mentioned as much when I was talking about Witt opening @ Capital.  It's a risk you take, I suppose.  It cost you last year and you were rightfully upset about it.  But, it may pay off this year with a high seed in the North if you win on Saturday.  Especially since Wheaton lost.  You've got a good shot at the 2 seed.

I've roasted Witt for their schedule several times, but to be fair when Witt locked in that four game series with Capital I don't believe that Witt would have figured they were signing on to play a top 10 team in the first week of the year.  They'll never say otherwise, but my guess is that if Capital were perennially as good as they were during the now-concluded Witt series, Witt doesn't schedule those games.  I think it's important for quality teams to schedule challenging games, but not unwinnable games.  To the point with Wabash/Franklin, I don't think anybody knew Franklin would be this good this quick under Mike Leonard and if that were known I don't think that game would have been scheduled with the built-in advantage Franklin had.  But that's neither here nor there now...it was a great challenge which Wabash met and that game really set the tone for the season that the LGs have had this year. 

As the DPU band took the field...the whole Wabash student section emptied...and went to the West endzone at Blackstock. They had signs, guys on guys shoulders and all of them had kazoos. After the DPU band had done a couple of tunes...the Wabash men took the field...while the DPU band was still there...doing their kazoo tunes.

i think i was in that all-kazoo band at blackstink stadium.
what a great time, even though the gendarmes did not believe wabash had such a band.
let's hear it for student initiative!!

How about Darryl Kennon...#2 in the nation in QB SACKS!

  #2 Darryl Kennon, Wabash                       Sr.    DL               9 games        12       1        85 yds

How about the company with Hudson (#4) in Passing Efficiency leaders...Rupp (Franklin), Micheli (Mount), and Swallow (Wash & Jeff)!!!

Wabash up to #7 in the AFCA poll.  Just think, DPU could be #7 if they played our schedule.  Dangit!   ;D

Quote from: wabco on November 06, 2007, 11:10:35 AM
These are a couple of stories from the rivalry and fun which (... by the way ... DPU more than Wabash but Wabash is also not without blame) has been stifled somewhat by all the security fencing and gestapo guards (which may be needed to protect our borders but are not necessary to protect "us" against antics by our next generations of doctors, dentists, educators, lawyers, and business leaders.

As a student of Wabash in the late eighties, I enjoyed four years of the rivalry without fences and guard towers without significant incident, and I would hope that one day we would be able to tone down security.  But in this age of liability fear, I suspect that that is unfortunately not to be the case.

Well, of course there was the fracas that I saw where Dave Weir had to get stitches (I think he did - his head was pretty bloody!)

Smed,
Yeah...there have been some unfortunate incidents concerning the rivalry. When I was a freshman it was so hard to concentrate on the game cause there was so much stuff going on around the field. During the first half of my freshman year, there was a riot in the east endzone at Wabash...many/most of the student bodies of both sides emptied out and got into a fracas on the track...a couple of my frat brothers had glasses broken and some injuries...but...they didn't sue or press charges...it was all just a part of the deal back then.
The swat team gestapo tactics are so regretable...they are now at Wabash as well as DPU. Bring back the days where the students stood all around the field sometimes 10 deep.

BB16,
Yeah...and Kennon is such a great guy. Got to meet him and Hudson and a couple of the other guys after the Wittenburg game. I'm really impressed by the character of the Wabash teams. The team cheers louder than the fans do many times.
Have they done any remodeling to Blackstock in the last 30 years...they had the worst visitors locker rooms...
My favorite Wabash/DPU stat. In '77 Dave Harvey, the all American Wabash QB throws 6, count em...6 interceptions during the DePauw game...and we still ended up pounding them 30-6.

Wally,

Marks is obviously a huge factor in this game, if they cannot run, they are in trouble.  In his previous 3 Bell games, what do his numbers look like?  I do like the fact that our run D is a strength of ours.  You have to think #40 for Wabash may be keying on #31 for DePauw!  I am more concerned about him catching screens out of the backfield.

Thoughts???

Old Wabash,
"i think i was in that all-kazoo band at blackstink stadium."
LOL...now that is a typical Wabash man....he thinks he was there...but not sure...it was all a bit blurry with all the TWR that he had consumed...lol.

BB...another concern for me is...does Dick run well? We've had a hard time with running QBs this year. If we can shut down the run game and put pressure on Dick...I think we'll win. But I also think that our offense, specifically our passing game will be the key on Saturday. If the O Line can protect...then Hudson will make the plays and our awesome receiving corp will make the catches.

Ask and you shall receive...Marks' numbers in the last three games:

2006: 24 carries, 94 yards, 2 TD, 3 recpetions, 11 yards
2005: 19 carries, 31 yards, 1 TD, 1 reception, -1 yard
2004: 20 carries, 87 yards, 0 TD

Marks is definitely a big, big factor for DePauw.  He's been beat up this year though.  How healthy is he?  I really do think that it's going to be important for DePauw to establish Marks and sustain drives as I don't think DePauw's defense is equipped to keep a handle on this Wabash offense.  NN knows this and I'm sure Adi will be keyed in on Marks.  Marks has only caught 5 passes this year (four were against Trinity), so I'm not really sure how much they use him as a pass catcher out of the backfield.  I would think NN allows about one such screen pass before he has somebody spying Marks at all times. 

By the numbers, Spud isn't much of a runner.  He's only got 35 rush attempts on the year...I'm guessing 10 or so of those are sacks, probably another 10 or so are pass plays that broke down and he scrambled, and the other 10 or so are by design.  By comparison, Wooster's qb (who is the guy that has everybody slamming the panic button) has run 98 times, most by design.  My guess here is that if Spud is running, that's not a good thing for DePauw. 

That's a good estimate, wally.  Spud's no Wiethoff.  They'll move him around a little back there, but he ain't tucking it.

I agree on Marks.  He's still the key.  DePauw is probably the most balanced offensive team I've seen in my six years following them.  The McMartin era was a pass happy group.  And then the Lynch & Rogers eras were both run, run, run.  This DPU team can run well, but they have tons of young talent on the outside.  However, they still have to run the football well.

The Hard Hat D has not been as good this year (still good, not as good) this year as they have been in the past couple of years against the run.  This is probably the year that DePauw REALLY needs Marks to get loose.  You asked how healthy he was, I think the Austin game was the first time he'd really been 100%.  He ran well last week, too.  He'll be good to go. 

Dunno anything about how healthy DPU is defensively.  That unit's been kinda patchwork most of the second half of the year. 

I worry about Marks, but I often worried about Jamarcus Shephard too and he didn't do much in the Bell Game. Of course, that was mostly when Nick was coaching, so there's THAT then...
;)

What I'd really like to know is why Wabash and DePauw aren't back in the same conference after all this time.  It still just doesn't feel right when we aren't killing each other over a conference championship.  Does depauw really like flying to colorado and texas?  For all your sports?  I'll be the first to admit the old ICAC was a joke - and can't blame anyone for trying to find greener pastures.  At least neither of us have to schedule those alford-loving manchester crooks in basketball.

If the rivalry has changed - it is in the lack of a conference tie in.

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He's coming....are you ready?

Quote from: wabndy on November 06, 2007, 02:50:08 PM

If the rivalry has changed - it is in the lack of a conference tie in.

I have to disagree.  There were some "good old days" for the rivalry, such as the early 80s, when there was no conference championship on the line.  I think the rivalry is the strongest when both teams have good teams and there hasn't been a long run of dominance. 

While some of the "pranks" may have gone by the wayside, I think it is also fair to say that the civil authorities in both Crawfordsville and Greencastle have also become less understanding of such activities.  As I move closer and closer to being the parent of a college freshman, I guess I am more comfortable with the notion that the fights, property damage and thefts (all under the guise of pranks and school spirit) have diminished as well.

ln fact, recent history should be a reminder that a rivalry like this one can be fragile.  If it wasn't for those fences and gates (which I also despise), we may not be looking at a 114th Monon Bell Game this weekend.

I think it is a great rivalry and one that we should cherish and protect, even if it isn't as "fun" as we thought it was when we were students (though, it probably wasn't that fun back then, as much or 40 times, jump shots or girlfriends weren't as good we want to remember them being either).

Quote from: wabndy on November 06, 2007, 02:50:08 PM
What I'd really like to know is why Wabash and DePauw aren't back in the same conference after all this time.  It still just doesn't feel right when we aren't killing each other over a conference championship.  Does depauw really like flying to colorado and texas?  For all your sports?  I'll be the first to admit the old ICAC was a joke - and can't blame anyone for trying to find greener pastures.  At least neither of us have to schedule those alford-loving manchester crooks in basketball.

If the rivalry has changed - it is in the lack of a conference tie in.

Bottoms and DPU are too proud to admit they made a mistake. Rose Hulman admitted their errors. I'd love to see DePauw and Washington & Jefferson as part of the NCAC. W & J has a PBK chapter, so they can fit in to the NCAC.

Quote from: smedindy on November 06, 2007, 03:50:57 PM
Bottoms and DPU are too proud to admit they made a mistake.

Perhaps. 

But, I think they're still fairly pleased with the level of competition they face in all sports in the SCAC.  That and they're pretty happy to be in that conference because of the academics.  Not that the NCAC is bad, I just dunno anything about them.

And the University doesn't seem to have a problem with athletes missing 10 days of class every season so they can fly all over the South.  It's a good recruiting tool, if nothing else.

waf78,

if i remember it was old cripple (old crow+ripple).
a real warmer for cold football days.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 06, 2007, 04:08:47 PM

Quote from: smedindy on November 06, 2007, 03:50:57 PM
Bottoms and DPU are too proud to admit they made a mistake.

Not that the NCAC is bad, I just dunno anything about them.

Uuh?  Oberlin, Kenyon, Denison?  Never heard of em?  OK. (silence)

No - I don't want to start a US News flame war - other than to submit that their rankings aren't entirely invalid to at least roughly gauge national reputation.  

National Liberal Arts Colleges
20. Oberlin College(OH)  
26. Colorado College  
32. Kenyon College(OH)  
40. Sewanee—University of the South(TN)  
44. Centre College(KY)  
49. DePauw University(IN)  
49. Rhodes College(TN)  
52. Wabash College(IN)  
52. Denison University(OH)  
71. College of Wooster(OH)
75. Austin College(TX)  
75. Birmingham - Southern College(AL)  
85. Allegheny College(PA)  
87. Millsaps College(MS)  
97. Ohio Wesleyan University  
118. Wittenberg University(OH)  

NR
Hiram
Trinity (TX)

I know that the big reason both of us left the ICAC was that it was a weak (pathetically weak) academic conference.  I think this empherical look shows both conferences stack up pretty equally with regard to academic reputation.  I guess its a matter of choice.  Is it worth the recruiting cost/time away from class/fatigue to go to colorado for regular season D3 sporting events?  Hey - its your daddy's money.

Hey Wes Anderson ....

You are going to get a chance to watch our Wes Anderson ... #91.  Now there is a Wes Anderson I like.  Putting licks on Dannies ... inside the DPU concertina wire.

I would be concerned about DPU trick plays.  As a team with nothing to lose (having already lost whatever they may have started the season to accomplish), I anticipate a spate of junior high like plays.  I recall the games where one team had something to lose and the other had essentially nothing left.  The something to lose team played "football strategy" , struggled and more often than not was defeated by the out of the box antics of the other.  I fear this.  I believe up and up ... Wabash has better personnel and better coaching.  However, beware the "we play 4 down football because God gave us 4 downs" in place of more conventional field position/time/football strategy think.

Why are we talking academics on the Bell Game board????????

This has to do with a FOOTBALL game that is being played on Saturday.

Quote from: wabndy on November 06, 2007, 04:51:54 PM
Uuh?  Oberlin, Kenyon, Denison?  Never heard of em?  OK. (silence)

Hey, I told you I didn't know anything about them.  What else do you want from me?

And you know, if the school wants to spend all that money to send their students to San Antonio, Atlanta, Memphis, and Colorado Springs, that's fine by me.  Those are experiences I'm glad I saw.  I wouldn't trade those for 4 or 5 hour bus rides to Wooster, Glanville, and Springfield.  Don't get to see the Riverwalk, Graceland, Beale St. and the like on NCAC road trips.  And I happen to think it's pretty neat.

Quote from: wabco on November 06, 2007, 05:11:19 PM
Hey Wes Anderson ....

You are going to get a chance to watch our Wes Anderson ... #91.  Now there is a Wes Anderson I like. 

I remember when I saw that they recruited that kid.  I'm glad he's finally getting PT.

Trinity was #1 in the West Region for Master's Universities (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1univmas_w_brief.php).

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 06, 2007, 06:47:45 PM
And you know, if the school wants to spend all that money to send their students to San Antonio, Atlanta, Memphis, and Colorado Springs, that's fine by me.  Those are experiences I'm glad I saw.  I wouldn't trade those for 4 or 5 hour bus rides to Wooster, Glanville, and Springfield.  Don't get to see the Riverwalk, Graceland, Beale St. and the like on NCAC road trips.  And I happen to think it's pretty neat.

Beale, Graceland, Riverwalk...sounds like one heck of a spring break road trip to me.  Football season isn't about tourist traps.   :)

Instead of traveling to tourist hot spots in the south in the fall, Wabash has elected instead to focus on winning championships every fall and taking summer trips overseas every few years.  Very enriching experiences for the team (both the championships and the trips) so I've been told.   ;)

QuotePosted by: Wes Anderson  Posted on: Today at 06:47:45 pm 
Don't get to see the Riverwalk, Graceland, Beale St. and the like on NCAC road trips.  And I happen to think it's pretty neat

Will give you Garden of the Gods or the Emorhoids in Atlanta (though I hate this city), but wine coolers or Zima with enchiladas at Fiesta, 'nanner samwiches, or Neeley's smoked butt or Rendezvous ribs "just ain't right."

In those immortal, monosyllabic words of Larry the Cable Guy, "Git 'r done, LGs!"

DPULefty, QBINScout, or WesA,

Still waiting on the question of which team has the most talented group of Wide Receivers...Trinity, Millsaps, or Wabash?  Guererro, Russell, Banach, and Green to start...then throw in 6'4 Rode, J-back Brock "Money" Graham, and then 6'7 TE Todd Liska.

Regarding stories...I remember on at least 2 or 3 Dannie TD's back in the late 80's, we had to walk to the other end of the stadium, for them to kick the point after because fights had broken out in the endzone seats and had spilled out onto the field.  Crazy.

I wonder if Huff will show any rust.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 06, 2007, 07:56:25 PM
DPULefty, QBINScout, or WesA,

Still waiting on the question of which team has the most talented group of Wide Receivers...Trinity, Millsaps, or Wabash?  Guererro, Russell, Banach, and Green to start...then throw in 6'4 Rode, J-back Brock "Money" Graham, and then 6'7 TE Todd Liska.

Regarding stories...I remember on at least 2 or 3 Dannie TD's back in the late 80's, we had to walk to the other end of the stadium, for them to kick the point after because fights had broken out in the endzone seats and had spilled out onto the field.  Crazy.

I wonder if Huff will show any rust.

I wasn't waiting on an answer. I answered that question already. But since one of your players has the nickname 'Money'... well, then, that pretty well settles things in your favor.

Also... pardon us for being out of the loop, but all indications on our end were that Hudson was going to start this Saturday. What's the deal?

No way Huff wouldn't have some serious kinks to work out. Can't say I fear a rusty Huff. But don't worry yourselves, Wallies... in what I'm sure will be a new development for you, you won't have to worry about a rusty Dick...

Thinking about the WC QB situation...

Obviously the Bell game is the peak of your regular season and the one game you'd rather win over all others. But I gotta think that Huff's your best QB and gives you the best chance to win once you get to the playoffs.

So if Huff's ready to play Saturday... how do you work him in? Do you let him go the whole way, working out the rust as he goes along, and risk losing some offensive rhythm? Do you give him half the snaps? Or do you not even change what's worked the last 8 weeks and stick with Hudson?

In other words, do you risk the Bell to use the game for the sake of getting Huff up to speed?

DPULefty

Watch "Money" Graham work when its time.  You are going to eat his dirt for 2 years after this one.   There is no Q who has the best receivers in Div III ... all of which you will see Saturday.  And as to Hudson, a soph with the numbers he has ... no wonder the Dick went to Dannieland.  He would never see the field in C-ville.

Lets see ... when is the last time DPU went to the playoffs .... Hmmmmm.  Memory doesn't seem to be working on this Q.  Lets do ... no brag ... just facts!  You boys just do not have the go.   Can you spell Trinity?  Trinity?  Millsaps? 

Wax on ... wax off.  Dannies suck!!!

 

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2007, 07:02:37 PM
Instead of traveling to tourist hot spots in the south in the fall, Wabash has elected instead to focus on winning championships every fall and taking summer trips overseas every few years.  Very enriching experiences for the team (both the championships and the trips) so I've been told.   ;)

Was referring to winter sports, but OK.  Point taken.  Touche, sir.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 06, 2007, 07:56:25 PM
Still waiting on the question of which team has the most talented group of Wide Receivers...Trinity, Millsaps, or Wabash? 

I'll tell you on Sunday morning. :) Right now, I'd say Trinity has the more talented group as a whole than Millsaps, but the Millsaps WR's are flat faster than all get out. Especially on that sprint turf at home.  Raymece Savage is a great player for Millsaps, but I'll take the Texas Tigers from top to bottom. 

I don't know if I think Wabash has a more talented group than the other two.  I'll need to see them again.  I don't know if I have seen them on a great track to run since the '04 Bell game, I think.  I don't recall the '05 conditions, but giving that it's DPU's field, I'd hazard a guess that they weren't great.

Russell's a great player.  Always has been.  So many big catches in this game.  We'll see what the SCAC's best cover corner can do with him on Saturday.  I don't remember Guerrero and Banach doesn't have a Bell game catch, so I dunno anything about him.

I do like Wabash's group particularly because of how flexible CC's J-back is.  Brandon Roop always played that position so well.  You can run it with him, he can pass block, he can split out.  He can lineup anywhere on the field.  You've got so many options.  One of the great positives of that scheme.

Quote from: wabco on November 06, 2007, 08:48:59 PM
DPULefty]
Lets see ... when is the last time DPU went to the playoffs .... Hmmmmm.  Memory doesn't seem to be working on this Q.  Lets do ... no brag ... just facts!  You boys just do not have the go.   Can you spell Trinity?  Trinity?  Millsaps?   

Objection! Relevance. Court holds you in contempt of the English language.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2007, 07:02:37 PMRiverwalk...sounds like one heck of a spring break road trip to me.  Football season isn't about tourist traps.   :)

I didn't hear you complain about Mexican food on the Riverwalk or Chris Madrid's burgers.  ;)

Keffer and Schirack both played J-back (I believe) last year and shredded the DPU D down the seam all day last year.  Brock is a little better than those guys.  That's what makes CC's offense so tough to defend.  You can pay attention to the J in the middle of the field and leave your corners manned up against some combination of Russell/Guerrero/Banach/Green/Rode (see film from last week's game vs. Denison to see how well that works) or you can let the J sneak downfield and get his 6-10 catches and have your fans pulling their hair out wondering why you're not covering that guy.  It's tough.  I'm glad I don't have to scheme against it. 

Quote from: Li'l Giant on November 06, 2007, 09:01:56 PM

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2007, 07:02:37 PMRiverwalk...sounds like one heck of a spring break road trip to me.  Football season isn't about tourist traps.   :)

I didn't hear you complain about Mexican food on the Riverwalk or Chris Madrid's burgers.  ;)

Nope, but I wasn't in SA trying to win a football game either.  I was in SA to stuff my face with awesome Texas cuisine and watch Sweet 16 hoops.  Different agendas.   :)

BB16

Word I got today is that the pride of Martinsville is ready to fly.

From Wes Anderson's South write-up "In 2005, Wabash quarterback Russ Harbaugh was ruled down on a might have been/might not have been fumble that led to a Wabash touchdown."

#3 - set the record straight.... ;D

Quote from: bashbrother on November 06, 2007, 09:09:40 PM
From Wes Anderson's South write-up "In 2005, Wabash quarterback Russ Harbaugh was ruled down on a might have been/might not have been fumble that led to a Wabash touchdown."

#3 - set the record straight.... ;D

Is something about my phrasing not correct?  I'm confused.

I mean, regardless of whether you argue that play was or wasn't, which I don't care to get into, it was certainly one of the most important plays in that football game.

I know...it was a very critical moment...just thought the player that had the ball in his hands when his knee went down,  might be able to take the "might have been" out of the equation.

Didn't Wabash run that crazy option for a touch after that? Ogden? it's all fuzzy.

Overall though, a great write-up Wes.

Yeah, CC still had the stones to call an option on 4th and goal right after that play.  Oggie scored.  I think what made that particular play so hypercritical is that scoring was at a premium on that blustery day and had that ball been ruled live, DPU was taking it to the house.  Points from a defense would have been the difference in that game. 

Also, in that game, the TD pass to Piazza was classic.......Don't think I have ever seen downfield blocking by receivers like that before......or the will by a player to make it to the zone.

Another fun fact about that game was that on DPU's final drive with a chance to tie or win, Knez got a huge sack on 3rd and 10.  Forced DPU's final timeout and put them out of reasonable conversion range.  One year later Knez made the sack on Spud to seal up that game as well.  Knez came to play on Bell days. 

guys,

i am not sure we are giving dpu a fair shot...
after all,  they have never lost a playoff game!!!

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2007, 10:49:47 PM
Yeah, CC still had the stones to call an option on 4th and goal right after that play.  Oggie scored.  I think what made that particular play so hypercritical is that scoring was at a premium on that blustery day and had that ball been ruled live, DPU was taking it to the house.  Points from a defense would have been the difference in that game. 

You've worded my point considerably less clumsily.  +1. 

I wasn't bringing the call itself into question.  I've still got the audio of that play where I said it was the right call when I saw it.  But, that's the game's key play that goes Wabash's way.  If it goes the other way, the game may go the other way.  Just like so many other plays in the recent history of this series. 

There are lots of other reasons that DPU lost that game.  0-fer-the century on 3rd down.  Getting it shoved back in their face on the ground for three quarters against a VERY stout Hard Hat rush defense before Rogers finally had the epiphany to open up the playbook.  The 'falling on a shanked Wabash punt at the 25 yard line and whiffing' play.  But, yet, they were still just that one key play from that game going the other way.  Wabash got it and DePauw didn't.

It's been a very civil board for the most part this year.  Aside from some initial juvenile name calling I was guilty of (only to increase awareness of this thread in our modern Springer-centric society), there's been a lot of great revisiting of Bell games of the past and good insight into this weekend's action.

For whatever reason, I'm considerably more jacked for this year's game than most of them in recent memory.  Does anyone else experience this?  Are you guys really gung-ho crazy for it some years and other years just ready to watch a Bell game?  I mean I'm always excited for it, but some years more than others...

In any case, best of luck to both teams, this weekend.  Preferably, the good luck to Wabash, and the bad aimed down south :)

Quote from: gobash on November 07, 2007, 12:11:20 AM
It's been a very civil board for the most part this year.  Aside from some initial juvenile name calling I was guilty of (only to increase awareness of this thread in our modern Springer-centric society), there's been a lot of great revisiting of Bell games of the past and good insight into this weekend's action.

For whatever reason, I'm considerably more jacked for this year's game than most of them in recent memory.  Does anyone else experience this?  Are you guys really gung-ho crazy for it some years and other years just ready to watch a Bell game?  I mean I'm always excited for it, but some years more than others...

In any case, best of luck to both teams, this weekend.  Preferably, the good luck to Wabash, and the bad aimed down south :)

I'm totally pumped for Saturday's game.  At about 1:30 p.m. on Monday it really hit me that this is Bell Week and I pretty much mentally checked out at work.  This phenomenon happens every year, but this year it happened about 24 hours sooner than it usually does.  I'm pumped up for Saturday for a lot of reasons;

- I think it's going to be a really good game.  Two good teams, one great rivalry game.  That's what we're going to get on Saturday. 

- Bell is usually a homecoming of sorts when I get to see a lot of people that I only see once a year...fellow classmates, other friendly alumni, etc. etc.  This year has the added bonus of LG making the trip up which is going to be a lot of fun. 

- Saturday's tailgate is shaping up to be a monster (I'll share details with you Thursday night).  Probably not as epic as last year's tailgate given the time restriction, but we're set to cram most of that fun from last year into a tighter window. 

It's more than a game, it's an event and I can't wait to get started. 

Quote from: gobash on November 07, 2007, 12:11:20 AMFor whatever reason, I'm considerably more jacked for this year's game than most of them in recent memory.  Does anyone else experience this?

Well, I'm super stoked. Mostly because it's the first time in 7 years I'll see the game live. And it's an excuse to get out of the office for a couple of days to travel. :)

But also, like Wally said, seeing guys we don't usually see. I'm fairly certain I'll run into guys I haven't seen since graduation.

Plus, knowing that this is a playoff bound team, the opportunity to end the season with a perfect record, and the chance to see great college football during the day, on grass, in cool fall weather the way it was meant to be.

gobash,
"For whatever reason, I'm considerably more jacked for this year's game than most of them in recent memory.  Does anyone else experience this?  Are you guys really gung-ho crazy for it some years and other years just ready to watch a Bell game?  I mean I'm always excited for it, but some years more than others..."

Yeah, I find myself that way this year as well. Not sure why...but I'm really pumped about this years game. Lots of reasons I suppose....the playoff year, an undefeated season on the line...but I think the thing that has me going more than anything...with Wabash going to the playoffs...I can't imagine what it would be like on Sunday the 11th...hearing about who and where we'll be playing...if we lose on Saturday at DPU. So Go Wabash, Destroy DePauw.

Though there are rumors...there's no way CC goes with Huff...too rusty, out of shape, no timing, etc. Hudson is the horse we need to ride in this race.

And this will be odd for me, since it will be my first Bell game at a viewing party.

Quote from: gobash on November 07, 2007, 12:11:20 AM
It's been a very civil board for the most part this year.  Aside from some initial juvenile name calling I was guilty of (only to increase awareness of this thread in our modern Springer-centric society), there's been a lot of great revisiting of Bell games of the past and good insight into this weekend's action.

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When DPU went with the gestapo and concertina wire, I quit going to DPU  and only attend the Game when at Wabash.  So ... Smed ... viewing works great .... especially if Wabash jumps out.  Dannies at the viewing event (at least at the ones I have attended) tend to just get quiet and sip theior Zimas.  Wabash fans remain intense and into it regardless of how the stomach is turning at the particular time.  You lose the "smell" of the event you get by being there but it is offset by instant replays and access to libations in a warm enviornment with buds you either know or should get to know from Wabash.  Plus, over time, I have even seen a greater tollerance of Wabash for Dannie fans and the reverse.   Something commented upon in this list serve in describing the greater civility of discourse.   Dannies are still pussies and wimps and unbrella carriers of course and everyone knows that ... however, it is taken as a constant condition and not necessary to bring up with the uncorking of each beer.

So, Smed ... do not jinx the process ... as this is your first.  Or else I will have to unjinx by going to the next Game at DPU  (perhaps the barb wire will have rusted by then and most of the DPU gestapo will have dental plans so that they have most of their teeth.

Oh, stop.  The security is just as bad at Wabash as it is at DePauw.  Give me a break.  It's ridiculous both places.  Don't make it sound like the macho menly men at Wabash let the fans have freedom to roam as they please, because that just isn't true.  It's not like this rivalry is going back to its roots when it's at Hollett and fans are being treated like kindergarteners at Blackstock.

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The last time there was a free-for-all at the Bell game at Wabash, it was embarrassing for BOTH schools. While I think DPU may be a bit over-zealous in their security, that beats fights, arrests, and bloody drunken idiocy. I prefer my drunken idiocy to be non-violent and peaceful.

(Well, except for hockey...)

Wes,
Now...we don't want to make this personal...but...such a typical dannie reply...OH STOP....
Yes, the gestapo tactics is only one dannie practice that Wabash has adopted recently. It used to be there was a MARKED difference between playing at Blackstock and Hollett as far as security was concerned..but no more. Wabash has also put a limit on ticket sales...another dannie thing to do...though I don't think they've sold out since they put a limit on tickets. Also, moving the fans (students, alums, small kids) back from the field is another dannie move. Of course there are all sorts of reasons to adopt those policies...but...this is Wabash...not some exalted high school.
I was at Wabash for the 2004 game and there was a Wabash guy who was there with his wife and he had had too much TWR...and he was loud and rowdy. By the way...we were on the Wabash side on the sidelines. As far as I could see..all he was doing was yelling a lot and calling dannies all sorts of names ( a typical Wabash reaction)...and out of the blue, a swat team descends on the guy and tells him to be quiet. He says no....among other things..and the battle was on...he must have been an ex player as he was a big guy...and it took them three or four guys to wrestle him to the track. His wife was screaming for them to stop...but they manhandled him pretty well. It was totally uncalled for...and the gestapo tactics were revolting...we'll stop student violence by having security violence...good call.
By the way Wes...thanks for interacting on the board...you're a gamer for taking on all the Cavemen.

I am so glad this time of year is here.  I was getting board at work and I just caught up on all the action.

I have not been to any games for either team because of how far away I am from D3 football in New Orleans, but regardless, when I woke up Monday Morning...I knew it was Bell Week.

As far as the security goes, I was at the 1998 (let the sign stealing conversation begin) game at Wabash, because I was looking at going to Wabash..but decided not to for obvious reasons (mainly the sausage fest and old women on the Wally side, but honeslty not the real reason).  Not sure, but that might have been the last time you had the standing room option at Hollet.  After the game, i was one the thousands on the field to witness the scuffle that ensued.

2000 was my freshman year as a member of the team and it was night and day, it still had the same feel, but way more controlled.  I remember they had 2 layers of metal fencing with a 'kill zone' in between with police officers patrolling.

When we returned in 2002 for an a$$ whitpping I was a student coach.  We had to get a police escourt to and from the box...was it necessary no.  Did it make the trip to the press box easier..hell yes.  I have never been called those names before, but i returned the favor in 2005 doing the same to the Wabash coaches on they way in and out of the press box.

This is a great rivalry and I am so pissed i cant even watch the game in Hattiesburg, MS.  Best of luck to all and keep sharing the stories!!

Quote from: WAF78 on November 07, 2007, 12:55:57 PM
By the way Wes...thanks for interacting on the board...you're a gamer for taking on all the Cavemen.

Hey, thanks for having me.  It's been a little tougher this year.  Usually I'm down about a dozen karma points by Wednesday afternoon of Monon.  I'd have to save up about 25 of 'em the other 51 weeks of the year so I could escape Monon week still in the black. 

Doesn't work that way this year.  No sexual preference jokes.  No intelligence jokes.  No making fun of the Sphinx Club overalls.  No nothing.  I could do without all the insults and such, since I can't exactly rip anybody a new one, but hey, it's almost a pre-requisite for this board that folks feel the need to act 19 years old again. 

Still, I gotta be careful.  Don't want to.... you know... GET FIRED... or anything.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 07, 2007, 12:06:15 PM
Oh, stop.  The security is just as bad at Wabash as it is at DePauw.  Give me a break.  It's ridiculous both places.  Don't make it sound like the macho menly men at Wabash let the fans have freedom to roam as they please, because that just isn't true.  It's not like this rivalry is going back to its roots when it's at Hollett and fans are being treated like kindergarteners at Blackstock.

This seems like a good time to talk about the differences in the sites...the in-stadium security is about equal at both places.  But that's not what bothers me.  The in-stadium security was necessitated by the brawls in '96 and '98 and in the age of ever-increasing liability, the schools simply can't take a chance that some kid gets seriously hurt or worse because there was no crowd control.  And the security really hasn't ruined the fun for anybody who didn't have it coming...in 2001 Wabash fans (self included) stormed the field after Casper made the catch in the endzone and there were no on-field incidents there. 

Where I do have a problem is with the 8,000 ticket limit that DPU is still adhering to and this business with the parking lot not being opened up until 9:00 a.m.  This is completely ridiculous.  Last year Wabash welcomed nearly 12,000 fans to campus and hell didn't break loose.  A lot of those fans started tailgating before dawn...and hell still didn't break loose.  There's a much different feel around the game and around the rivalry now than there was 10 years ago.  It's time that DePauw follow Wabash's lead and let the greatness of the day (it's not just a game, it's an event) happen. 

Quote from: DPU92 on November 07, 2007, 01:07:36 PM
This is a great rivalry and I am so pissed i cant even watch the game in Hattiesburg, MS.  Best of luck to all and keep sharing the stories!!

I believe there is a telecast party in Hattiesburg if you wanted to watch the game.   Click the link for location and contact info (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&8025466.00043c8ccfa1ff13d068d&z=4&hl=en&om=1&msa=0&msid=109286884459128025466.00043c8ccfa1ff13d068d&z=4&CFID=59527431&CFTOKEN=48290169).

I know their is one in Hattiesburg...I cant make it because I work for Tulane Football who is home that day...thanks for reminding me  ;)

By the way, how cool is it that Gameday is going to air from Williams this weekend?  Hopefully this starts a Gameday tradition where they'll do a show from a small college on rivalry day once per year. 

How pumped will that guy be to know there is a telecast party in Hattiesburg MS!!!  Very cool.  Amazing that there are so many locations across the country.

I thought the security was a joke last year at Hollett towards the end of the game when students wanted to storm the field.  The police officers on the SE corner were WAY over the top...one guy had his can of mace pulled with his finger on the trigger (had probably watched too many episodes of Dog the Bounty Hunter) and was itching to mace the students.  It was pretty gross and upsetting to see.

Hey, caught wind of some pretty creative T-shirts on sale on campus in C-ville...my personal favorite...  "DePauw Chicks & Football...  Its what Wabash does"  

DPU guys...heard the field is not in great shape, any idea how it is looking?  

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 07, 2007, 03:45:37 PM
By the way, how cool is it that Gameday is going to air from Williams this weekend?  Hopefully this starts a Gameday tradition where they'll do a show from a small college on rivalry day once per year. 

I just heard about that before I checked in over here - I think it's awesome for the DIII game and it certainly sets a precident for Chris Fowler and the gang to matriculate to west central Indiana sometime in the future. Now THAT would be something else.

Regarding the field conditions... while it won't be "Hollet Stadium in 06" bad (that was the single worst field I'd ever seen for a football game), the Blackstock turf has been shoddy all season long. The north side of the field is particularly slippery between the hashes. At DPU's last home game, the visiting team (Austin) was slipping all over the place - but the Tigers didn't have any problems. That may be apropos of nothing, but we'll see. Sure seemed like DPU had trouble adjusting to the turf in Crawfordsville last season.

BB#16 - I chuckled at the t-shirt. I hear "Wabash Loves (Spud) Dick" shirts sold out in two days on the DPU campus.

Ok....this one will take some board participation......

Top Moments in Monon Bell History.......... (On or off the field)

Casper's catch?  Operation Frijoles?  The Bell buried under a frozen endzone? 

Oh my...great question.  Personally my best moment was the Monon Miracle in 2001.  After watching Wabash lose the first five Bell games I was part of, to finally see Wabash win one was amazing and for it to happen on that play was even more amazing. 

All time...I don't know if anything can beat Operation Frijoles.  That is hands down the best Bell heist of all time and has to be one of the best rival pranks of all time.  Frijoles was the Mississippi Miracle of pranks.   

BashBro - tough one but 1986 comes to mind...  The Catch in 2001 is right there too.  I also remember walking to class on a Thursday before the Bell game and heard the Bell ringing from the Fiji porch...proof of another Wabash heist.

Wabash press release with game preview:  http://www.wabash.edu/sports/docs/Release11707.pdf

This will almost certainly be my last post on here before Saturday as my flight leaves SA in about 7 hours. I'm sure I'll see some of you fellas at the Monon Stag tomorrow. And, here's to a great ballgame as befits this great rivalry.

Wabash always fights!

1985 was sweet because we went down there and ruined their playoff party. Oh, and Kaiser ran the ball EVERY TIME and they couldn't stop him.

But I'm sure the Mud Bowl ranks right up there. That and the icy game where in the 90's where Wabash won thanks to the slippery footwork of Ings.

I must say that the DPU security, etc that I have been hearing about is a disappointment.  I understand the need to maintain control, etc.  But, not opening the parking lot until 9, no RVs at the parking lot stadium, etc is over the top.  Why ?  My daughter attends IU and I went to the frat/sorority tailgate last year and that was out of control.  I don't understand.  I have only been to 3 or 4 of these games live since I graduated in '85, and I really don't remember much crap going on.  Being a former Sigma Nu at DPU, we used to pride ourselves in finding the skirmishes, etc.  I just don't remember seeing it.  I have only attended one game since the early 90's and that was 3 years ago at Wabash.  I thought it was great - RV's parked here and there, tailgates going, comments being dropped by fans that passed each other throughout the morning - but no altercations, etc.
I have high hopes this Saturday will be just as fun.  I guess I have to park the RV at the Art Center, get a good spot, and start setting up.  All fans are welcome to stop by.  Look for a bunch or early 80's former DPU football players and that would be us.  Just keep the infamous "Killer" Kilbane away.  He might break his nose trying to tackle one of us.  Tell Marty Gregor and Tony Altavilla I want my pellet gun back.
No predictions on the game.  Just want to see a competitive one.  If DPU can stop or slow Wabash's spread, it could be a good game.  I think DPU's offense can score a few.

Bashbro...
For me...the 2001 game was the greatest. I've seen a lot of Bell games...but that one was the best for me. The '85 game was great...Kaiser was just awesome (and so was the O line).
For me personally...the 76 game was a great one. We had lost three years in a row to DPU...very close games...and we won at Wabash 14-7. I recovered a fumble deep in DPU territory late in the game and then our O punched it in to win. It was a great feeling to win the bell after losing my fresh and sophomore years.
I don't think anything will ever match operation frijoles. The heist of the bell by the Wabash guys who hid in the gym after the DPU basketball game was a close second though...but I can't remember which year that was.
What's great about this rivalry is that so many people have great memories of a specific game or event.
One last comment...my freshman year, we played at Wabash and there was a large fight (I wouldn't say riot) behind the east endzone on the track during the first half. The deans and prof's broke it up. My junior year...back at Wabash...no big fights or riots even without heightened security. During that game my junior year, the only thing that happened that I knew about as a player...as we're running off the field at half...we get pelted by the DPU fans with what were eggs and, I think, persimmons?...at our own home field...lol. Also, a DPU kid had run onto the field as we're going off at half and did something (not sure of what he did) and one of our guys on the team tackled him as the DPU kid was running off the field...lol.
DePauw To Hell, We'll Keep the Bell

Anyone going to the Monon Bell Stag this year? That always is such a great event. There have been a few years where the speakers bombed...but normally it's a great time.
Kudos to the DPU Indy Alumni for not standing with DPU's decision as a university to boycott the stag because it's not politically correct.

Nice piece (as usual) from Wabash's Jim Amidon on the game Saturday - http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=5202

Fripp52 - #7 Alto has a wedding in Ft. Wayne this weekend so he will miss it.  If you want to see him, come to our HOME playoff game next weekend.  :)  Not sure if Killer will be there, depends on how McCauley's 3rd grade undefeated team did last week.  The RV lot blows at Blackstock and its way too far from the stadium.  We bailed on the RV 4 years ago when we realized the real BASH party was in the lower lot South of the stadium.

2007 Tailgate Menu highlight...2-3 whole (10 lbs each) Beef Teriyaki Tenderloins from Ft. Wayne's Cork & Cleaver.  Provided by the best long snapper in Wabash history...#42 David Relue.  Beef, Beer, & Tots!

Wonder which Wabash Captain gets the Bell on Friday night in their room?  Yet another Wabash Bell tradition.

BB16
Tell Tony that if he can find the time to see any of the Bell game at the Covington Grill, I'll save a place for him.

Bashbacker
Say hi to Tony.  Tell him I do want my pellet gun back.  He will know who I am.  I will not be at your away game.  HaHa.  I live in Easton, PA, so making it to DPU is a trip for me.  My son actually plays at DPU - #42, plays all special teams.  That is why I am there.  Otherwise, I had lost connection with these games to some extent.  It's great to be back.  So, Kilbane has a kid that young ?  I figured no one would marry that guy after he broke his nose in the old Lincoln Park games.  I hear you on the RV.  I may have made a mistake.  Have to live with it now though.  We will make the best of it.  Will bring it again to Wabash and then not the following year.

WAF78
I played in the 81 game which was my freshman year.  I was on all special teams.  I remember the coaches selecting me and 2 of my teammates (who will be at the game this weekend, btw) to be on kickoff coverage on the Wabash sideline on kickoff because Wabash always returned to their bench.  We were all jacked up.  The first return was almost broke for a TD.  I think your TB, can't remember his name, was finally brought down near mid-field.  So much for great execution.  The other memory is our President gave us that Monday off from school.
The 82 game was memorable in that it was 3-0 at half and actually 10-3 well into the third quarter when the dam broke.  Our offense, as it was my entire 4 years at DPU, was pathetic.  There was a sequence where I recovered a fumble.  The our O fumbled.  We recovered another fumble.  Then our O threw an INT.  I think we had 7 plus turnovers in that game.  31-3 final.
83 was the last play of the game situation where we batted the ball down on the last play.  Great game.  I had to watch that play from the sideline because one of the Wababies kicked me in the stomach after the whistle.  And I took a couple of swings at him, then your O-line coach.  Did not go over well with the refs.  I was ejected.  Never knew if the Wabash player was.
Great memories.  I have more.  I will save them for next year.

The 2002 game  - had to be one of the best QB/Receiver performances in the history of the game.   

Knott to Short - Don't know if there will ever be a pairing like them again. 

http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/2002.mov

Short was very much like Dallas Clark (Colts) a receiver in a TE's body.  Linebackers didn't have a chance and cornerbacks had to deal with his size.

Also, one of the worst defensive performances in recent history. 

Short's a great player, but it doesn't do ANY good if you don't cover him.  Obinna made an effort on that fade route to the back pylon, but not many could cover him on that route.

Look how open he was on the other three!  That game was just about the longest three hours of my life.

yeah.... must of been a tough one.

I do have to give Depauw major props on their website.   Their Bell Coverage is tremendous.  I wish Wabash would dedicate a little more of their website to Bell History.

Well, we've covered a lot of the important ones for the LG's.  Let's look at the other side of the coin.

2004 will probably always be the most special one for me. 

2000 (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/2000.mov) was the first game I ever attended.  That was a good one.  Great football game, too.

How about 1981?  Coach Nick's first game.  DPU beat #4 Wabash  21-14 (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1981.mov) after they held on 4th & Goal.

I'll even throw it back.   1960.  (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1960.mov) Coach Tom Mont went for two on a fake XP to win 14-13 with under a minute.  Imagine that happening today.

Or 1964 (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1964.mov), when Wabash tried the same thing and DePauw legend Tod Eberle (who I believe is the same Tod Eberle who works in DPU Admissions) stopped Alan Anderson for a 22-21 win.  DPU had the Bell for 10 straight years after that win. That gave DPU the Bell for its tenth straight year.

That Sports Informaton internship sure paid off.  I learned so much about this rivalry back through 1960's and 1970's.  Really great stuff.

Wes,
Yes...the 81 defeat was particularly horrible as Wabash was undefeated going into the game. They had to wait until the next year to then go undefeated. History has a way of repeating itself...just not this year.
The '80 game was bad too...though a tie is not as bad as a loss...but it felt like a loss...Wabash, again undefeated..and ends up with a tie when DPU tied it with little time remaining on the clock. I was doing the radio broadcasts for Wabash that year...and wow...what a bummer.
Also, I agree with bashbro...DPU's bell coverage is great...and how much time you give to Wabash victories as well. I'm impressed...or as impressed as I can be with something from DePauw  ;D

Wes,
Not to be picky...but...after the '64 game...we won the '67, '71 and '72 games...the '72 game was covered by Sports Illustrated.

Ok..... My productivity at work has officially ended.  Glad I own the company.  ;)   It would be interesting to see how the distraction of the Bell Game affects the GDP.  ;D (Joke)

Time for the game.   

My sentence was horribly worded.  I'm stupid.  Fixed.

One other note regarding the parking situation.  Yes, you cannot access Blackstock until 9.  Yes, you cannot park your RV there.  But I do gather that you can park your RV across Jackson St. in the big lot just to the south of the Peeler Art Bulding.  I think you have to come in Jackson St. from the south to have access to it.

I also gather that there is no restriction on when you can arrive and park in that lot.  It was not mentioned on the website.  They did say to arrive at that lot early, as they expect to fill quickly.

Bell Tickets on E-Bay

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=monon+bell+tickets&category0=

of course they are the Dannie's side.....  :D

Quote from: bashbrother on November 08, 2007, 05:02:25 PM

Bell Tickets on E-Bay

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=monon+bell+tickets&category0=

of course they are the Dannie's side.....  :D

That is just a shame...some DePauw fans just dont get it... ??? >:(

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 07, 2007, 01:37:02 PM

Where I do have a problem is with the 8,000 ticket limit that DPU is still adhering to and this business with the parking lot not being opened up until 9:00 a.m.  This is completely ridiculous.  Last year Wabash welcomed nearly 12,000 fans to campus and hell didn't break loose.  A lot of those fans started tailgating before dawn...and hell still didn't break loose.  There's a much different feel around the game and around the rivalry now than there was 10 years ago.  It's time that DePauw follow Wabash's lead and let the greatness of the day (it's not just a game, it's an event) happen. 

Wally,
Two years ago, guys were in those lots at 7 a.m. They got there before security arrived, and to my knowledge were not booted.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 07, 2007, 03:45:37 PM
By the way, how cool is it that Gameday is going to air from Williams this weekend?  Hopefully this starts a Gameday tradition where they'll do a show from a small college on rivalry day once per year. 

As I understand it, there is a push to have them in C-ville next year.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 07, 2007, 03:45:37 PM
By the way, how cool is it that Gameday is going to air from Williams this weekend?  Hopefully this starts a Gameday tradition where they'll do a show from a small college on rivalry day once per year. 

With all due respect for NESCAC in other sports, it would be even cooler if they were actually a part of d3 in football!  Spurning the playoffs is one thing; playing NO non-conference games makes them (IMO) little more than glorified intramurals.

Quote from: gobash on November 05, 2007, 09:47:30 PM
From Keith's 2005 column:    http://www.d3football.com/atn.php?id=90 (http://www.d3football.com/atn.php?id=90)

Since I was there, I can say that there Monon Bell game is second to none in Division III. Wabash and DePauw sit 27 miles apart in a stretch of central Indiana where there isn't much else to get excited about. But they've been doing the season-ending game for both teams big since 1890, and it's as chippy now as it ever was. Wabash hung on for a 17-14 win this season in a game where the play along the lines was fierce and both quarterbacks were warrior-like. They lead the series 52-51-9.

But no tale from game day summarizes how big the rivalry is like this does: As soon as I wrote I was coming, three Wabash e-mails arrived, politely thanking me for choosing to attend but mentioning how much better the game is when not at DePauw. Now that's a rivalry.

Quote from: gobash on November 05, 2007, 09:32:14 PM
Huh, I got the impression Keith had a good time.  Wonder if we could get him in here to weigh in...we could pretend we have a beer for him, and lure him into the thread.

I recall reading K-Mack's blog from Blackstock in '05 and it seemed like he enjoyed the experience.  I've since seen him post that Wabash/Depauw is at or near the top of the list of D-III rivalry games (the Cortaca Jug game being the other preeminent rivalry game).  And that's not to say that others aren't awesome in their own way...they're all unique and different and special in their own way.  I don't think it's fair to say which is better.  They're all good, they're just all good in their own way.  [/quote]

Yeah,
I have been asked to stop by this thread and chime in, although I guess I'd have to go back and start from Page 1 to find out exactly what.

I think you are all on the right track. What I wrote then is much better than what I remember ... I'll even read some of my old stuff and be enlightened.

I wrote about rivalries some in today's ATN, you guys are right up there.

Also, even though I personally think Wabash-DePauw and H-SC/R-MC (would never put it in that order, but had to keep the men's schools in red on the same side, with the black and gold co-eds on the other) have a lot in common, except for teh Bell ... Boone, the coach I played for my senior year, was a Wabash guy, and he was pretty frank about how much more, um, butt, the Monon Bell kicked.

But as noted, our rivalry was going through a little non-competitve period where we wiped the floor with them, and then they us.

Which parking lot are the rest of the Wabash people shooting for?  The big lot south of the stadium?  The smaller lot on the Northeast side of the stadium?  That one makes more sense to me...

K-Mack,
Oh my gosh...you played for Boonie? Wow...he was a freshman my senior year...and he was a pledge at my fraternity. It's a small world. I know he left R/M a few years ago...ever know what happened to him?
He was a great athlete...11 letters at Wabash...3 football, 4 basketball, 4 baseball.

If anyone would like to report...how was the stag last night...if anyone on this board went?
Read portions of CC's chapel speech...I guess the Cavemen are ready. Looks like a bunch of the guys are sporting mohawk hair cuts for the game...whatever floats your boat...lol.

Forecast for Tomorrow.

Partly cloudy with a 90% chance of Darryl Kennon

Highs in the mid 50s.

Adi out of the north at around 45 mph.

;D

The stag was a good time.  Brad Wochomurka (D`04) and Jon Pactor (W`71) were the roasters.  They both did a good job.  Woch went for the (Spud) Dick jokes, and Pactor went for verbose quantity.  I think the line of the night was from Pactor (not an exact quote), "The difference between DePauw and Wabash is Quiche Lorraine.  DePauw men eat quiche, Wabash men eat Lorraine."  That and the constant vehement references to the "bull**** hailmary" of the `01 game from the DPU presenters.  Good stuff.

The food was pretty decent, and the company was great.  I can see myself attending for the indefinite future.

GoBash:

Thanks for the Stag update - great Quiche joke!  Can't wait to share that with my DPU spouse.

WAB78:

I will be in Blacksburg, VA on Saturday but Hokie Steve, of course, has HDNet at home and will be recording the Wabash game so we can watch it after we get home from the Virginia Tech/Florida State game.  

Saw the proposed playoff pairings.  I was hoping that if Wabash did have an away game, it might be up north.  Looks like East as opposed to North.  Oh well.

If you go to the game - have a great time.  And once again, I am sure the tiger will not be brave enough to don the tail.

"The NESCAC folks would have you believe that you can't possible then go back and play in a playoff game after competing in the big season-ending rivalry, but Wabash would beg to differ. DePauw would beg to be able to beg to differ, but that's a different story."
This was a quote from Pat Coleman on the D-3 daily dose. It speaks for itself.
K-Mack, however, again, chooses Wabash as most likely team in the top 25 to be upset. I can see his rationale as with this game wins and losses and rankings matter nothing. Too many times Wabash has come to this game undefeated and have left with a loss or a tie. However, I hope K-Mack is wrong as he was wrong in the first week of the season...when he picked Wabash to be the most likely team upset in the top 25.
gobash:...Thanks for the report. There have truly been some classic lines uttered during the stag. Pactor's line was great.

Hey Wabash Hokie,
Good to see you...have a great time in Blacksburg and say Hi to Hokie Steve. I'll be watching the game from the warm environs of the Covington Grill in Fort Wayne....however, I plan to be at the playoff game the next weekend...whereever it is.
About the pairings...if we win..we will play at C'ville. If not, then who knows where it will be.
Have a good time Hokie..and say Hi to the family. Hope to see you soon.

Quote from: WAF78 on November 09, 2007, 11:11:23 AM
However, I hope K-Mack is wrong as he was wrong in the first week of the season...when he picked Wabash to be the most likely team upset in the top 25.

Long memory. Holding a grudge is never healthy. :)

In week 1, or I guess it was week 2 rather, Wabash was the most likely top 25 team to get beat.  Wabash ranked just inside the top 25, Franklin ranked outside of the top 25...Franklin beating Wabash on that day would have been about the mildest upset of all time.

The Stag was a good time last night.  Last night was the first Stag for me and it definitely won't be the last.  I'll take this opportunity to thank the gentlemen from DePauw who were in attendance..I hope you guys can spread the word and grow the event in spite of the university's unwillingness to help you out.  It's a fun event and while the jokes fly non-stop, it's all really good-natured.  I didn't see anything last night that a university should be afraid of associating itself with.  Quite the opposite actually. 

And now I'm done complimenting anything DPU until at least after the game.   :)

Sweet article on the Wabash website re: yesterday's chapel speech.

From it:

"As a football player, a football team, and the Wabash community, I say to DePauw: Come take this Bell from us. I dare you!" -adi pynenberg

hell. yes.

Wally,
As that was your first stag...the reason DPU's administration, coaches, etc. don't come is that it is a STAG...no women allowed. It's politically incorrect...so  DPU administrators, etc.  (the definition of PC people) can't sanction such a hideously sexist, fascist, immoral event. The stag is a great event.

Pat...no grudge...just a memory that still functions...occasionally...and at my age that's something to be thankful for.

That quote from Adi is strong!  Makes me want to throw on some pads and hit somebody! 

especially considering the dude says about 17 words a year.

http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=5203

Good stuff from Amidon and Co. off the Wabash website.

Yeah...I was a bit disappointed that they didn't have the podcast of the Bell chapel online...they said it will be available on Monday. Then, upon reflection, the things that were said there...well...we don't want to fan the flames for DPU's motivation anymore than we have to.

It's about time to start making some predictions, is it not? I'm to the point where I can't really focus on anything but the game, so here's a prediction from the DePauw side.

IT'LL BE A LONG DRIVE BACK TO CRAWFORDSVILLE IF:
-DePauw controls time of possession. Third-down percentage is going to be MASSIVE for the Tiger offense in this game. DPU has converted 74% of their third-and-shorts this year (between 1-3 yards) but only 30% of all other third downs. If DPU can get into third and short and convert with regularity, they can really chew up some ground... and some clock.
-Alex Fitch and Michael McNelis get consistent pressure on Hudson. Judging by the numbers, it would appear that Hudson would just as soon not have to tuck the football and run. DPU has to get him out of rhythm. Fitch is just now hitting his stride after being hindered by injury early on, and McNelis is a high-motor rusher on the strong side.
-DPU's D figures it out on third down. 22-for-54. That's the opponent's success rate on third-and-10+ against the DPU defense this season. Three different teams have converted more than 50% of their third-and-10+ opportunities against the Tigers this season: Millsaps, Trinity, and Colorado College. Not surprisingly, the Tigers lost two of those and needed two OTs to win the third one. DPU's done a good job forcing third and long - they just need to get off the field when that happens.

I WILL LIGHT MYSELF ON FIRE IF:
-Wabash establishes a run. DPU will probably be looking pass-first. I don't know much about Sobiecki and Porter but their YPC averages aren't too shabby. If they can pick up a few intermediate gains, the field opens way up for the Wabash recievers, and Hudson will have more time to get the ball to them. Wabash went away from the run completely last year. If they manage to run successfully against a solid Tiger run D early, there could be trouble.
-Wabash forces DPU into third-and-long. Already explained above. Spud in a seven-step drop against a blitz isn't exactly the most appetizing scenario for the Tiger faithful.
-DPU can't finish drives. Brendan Smith has the leg to hit from 45 yards. He's just been pushing everything all year long - that's why he's 5-for-13 on FGs this year, and 1-for-8 from beyond 30 yards. Coach Walker doesn't have a whole lot of trust in Smith at this point, which means you could see the Tigers going for it on fourth downs in the red zone. There's a big difference between 3 and 0 points, especially in a game where the teams match up so well like this one.

FINALLY... THREE BOLD PREDICTIONS:
-BOLD: Marks - 31-132-3.
-BOLDER: Kennon - 0 sacks. (Kerry Pappas didn't get to be a four-year starter for no reason.)
-BOLDEST: Pruitt returns a punt for a TD. And that will be the difference.

THE PICK: DPU 28, WC 21.

I look forward to being told what an idiot I am! And hearing other predictions as well.

WAF78,

Haven't had time to post this yet but thought you'd enjoy...past Little Giants and their jersey numbers:  (random years, random order...)

Carl Hampton #60
Mike Worthington #99
David Broecker #11
Ed Broecker #24
Mike Haugh #32
Sean Lyons #79
Eric Schoettle #47
Chris Ings #12
Brett Butler #12
Mike Funk #1
Bill Kennedy #48
Tim Granson #1
Dave Vandergriff #34
Steve Hoffman #14
Jay Hermann #59
John Pope #46
Joe Bevelhimer #44
Tim Oliver #22
Chris Morris #2
Jake Knott #19
Ryan Short #88
Nate Boulais #41
Tom Jakubowski #41
Tim Parker #43
Killer Kilbane #45
Pete Wilson #87
Billy Kaiser #22
Marty Kaiser #5
Tony Altavilla #7
Jeff Barry #31
Josh Bronaugh #45 & #1
Curt Kasper #1
Darryl Johnson #17
Tim MacGuire #15
Nick Crnkovich #88
Nick Dawson #81
Stu Johnson #4
Bill Wheeler #77
Russ Harbaugh #3
Scott Lahr #74
Jay Olson #72
Chris Cochran #35
Dave Adich #56
Dave Dunlap #48
Bryan Anderson #2
Tim Pliske #2
Chris Wiesehan #1
Blair Hammer #54
BJ Hammer #91
Bill Kennedy #84
Bob Kennedy #24
Larry Hemingway #9
Brent Scheib #11
Jeff Relue #96

Adi's quote rocks!

Wabash Always Fights!

DPULefty22,

That's good stuff.  Nice info and interesting perspective thru your "hip" Dolce & Gabbana frames.  As Lee Corso will be saying tomorrow during ESPN's Gameday..."Not so fast my friend"

- if you think Coach Neathery will line Kennon up on Pappas all day long, you are crazy.  Also, the Bash D brings heat other then Big DK...watch #65 Lange, and the Senior group of #98 Sparks, #48 Gardiner, and #91 Anderson.  Hope Spud's sprained shoulder holds up...
- the Bash O-line has protected Hudson well all season...Fitch & McNelis don't wear #98 and aren't named Hertel...
- Sobecki & Porter are pretty good backs that get overshadowed with the Air Attack, watch CC work them in to the scheme...Sobecki is more of a bruiser North/South guy and CP is more of the slasher (remember Lafitte's Frosh game at DPU busting for about 150!)
- Jevon Pruitt is good but he cannot cover 5 guys out of the backfield...as mentioned all week, the Bash WR's are as good as advertised (sprint champions, 36" verticals, experience, hands, routes, playmakers)...they'll be too much for the DPU D to handle.

Final score:
Wabash 34
DePauw 17

Chris Creighton vs. Matt Walker???

Nice take Lefty.  Your notes about 3rd downs are good.  Wabash is converting an obscenen 52.7% of their 3rd downs this year. The flip side is that Wabash opponents are converting 43.6% of their 3rd downs...Wabash's D has gotten better on 3rd downs lately, but with DePauw the issue is going to be whether or not Spud has to pick up those 3rd downs or if they'll be close enough to let Marks do it. 

I don't know if Kennon will get any sacks, but he will be a headache.  Kennon's advantage is that he gets to line up against whoever he wants so if he doesn't want to line up over Pappas, he doesn't have to.  Looking at the 2-deep, I'd guess that you'll see Kennon on the edge over the undersized RT a lot.

Time of possession has been mentioned a lot here...I think the importance of TOP might be a little overstated.  Wabash is dead last in TOP in the NCAC and that hasn't really seemed to matter much.  Clearly DePauw will need to limit Wabash's possessions, but ultimately both teams are going to get the same number of possessions and the onus is going to be on DePauw's defense to keep Wabash off the board on most of those possessions. 

Alright, prediction time...Creighton has his players ready.  Amped up but confident and under control.  Hudson will settle in and make the easy short throws and let his receivers work (eventually somebody will bust a big one running after the catch).  Marks will get his, but DePauw's methodical offense won't be able to keep up and will be chasing most of the day.  Final score: Wabash 27, DePauw 13. 

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2007, 12:02:06 PM
That quote from Adi is strong!  Makes me want to throw on some pads and hit somebody! 

Who needs pads....I am ready to go.....

Great list, Bash Backer.  And some tremendous names.

One glaring omission though, and I must admit that I don't recall his number myself. You forgot the big red-head, Pete Metzelaars.  I'd saye he had a decent football career. ;D

IT'LL BE A LONG DRIVE BACK TO CRAWFORDSVILLE IF:

Because after the Wabash win, too many Depauw women will want to come back to C-Ville and we didn't have enough vehicles for all of them.  ;)

I WILL LIGHT MYSELF ON FIRE IF:

I pass out after too much beverage with a celebratory cigar in my mouth on the good ole' Lazyboy.  :o

FINALLY... THREE BOLD PREDICTIONS:

-BOLD: Marks - gets some yards, but pressure on Spud too much to sustain drives.
-BOLDER: Hudson - Finds open receivers all day as it is impossible to cover all of them.
-BOLDEST:  CP Porter pulls a Lafitte and has two 40 + yard runs, one for a touchdown.

Prediction:

Wabash 28
Depauw 10

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2007, 01:09:06 PM
Time of possession has been mentioned a lot here...I think the importance of TOP might be a little overstated.  Wabash is dead last in TOP in the NCAC and that hasn't really seemed to matter much.  Clearly DePauw will need to limit Wabash's possessions, but ultimately both teams are going to get the same number of possessions and the onus is going to be on DePauw's defense to keep Wabash off the board on most of those possessions. 

Perhaps you are on to something.

But, this series has not been known for many 5 play 70 yard 2:00 drives (2002 excluded).  I think that is why Wabash is last in TOP.  Their offense is too good to hold on to the football that long.  They are going to get it and they are going to go score it.  Fast.

However, I don't expect one of those style games on Saturday, so maybe TOP will play a part.  It always does for DePauw.  They need to win that to beat a team that wants to spread it out.

On the other hand, more important than TOP for me is the number of offensive snaps Wabash gets.  DPU allowed an average of 62 snaps per game in the six games the defense played well (Anderson, Centre, Sewanee, BSC, Austin, Rhodes). 

In the OTHER three games (Millsaps, Trinity, Colorado) they allowed an average of 83 snaps per game.  Sure, one of those was in 2OT, but I don't think that skews my data that greatly.  They've got to get off the field.  Plain and simple.  They have the athletes to run with the Wabash WR, but that hasn't been the problem.  Millsaps and Trinity had guys open running down field all day long.  If DPU has fixed those, they have a shot.  If they haven't, Hudson/Huff are going to have a day.

BB16 - Great list - so many great guys and memories of seasons past.

K-Mack - No worries about Wabash looking past DePauw to the playoffs.  That just isn't going to happen.

I remember seeing the catch in 2001 - what a great feeling - the atmosphere at the Chapel later that evening when the brought in the Bell was electric. 

I remember in 2005 walking into the stadium at C'Ville for the first round of the playoffs against Albion and the Bell (having been won the week before at DePauw) was ringing loud and clear.  It sent shivvers up my spine.

I look forward to having those feelings again this week and  next week. 

One last memory - the taste of the quaff poured from the Monon Bell that Saturday night after the Monon Miracle.  I can tell you what victory tastes like and it is sweet.  Go Wabash!

Quote from: firstdown on November 09, 2007, 04:00:39 PM
One last memory - the taste of the quaff poured from the Monon Bell that Saturday night after the Monon Miracle.  I can tell you what victory tastes like and it is sweet.  Go Wabash!

Amen. 

Best.  Beer.  Ever. 

Remembering my first Monon Bell as a player...I had never been in a game where the hitting was so ferocious. Hard Hat D has to bring it tomorrow. Go Wabash D, make Marx Grouchy (or is that Groucho?) and plant Spud...over and over again.
Prediction:
Wabash 35
DePauw 28

If DePauw gets out there and starts a rain dance and the track is muddy:
Wabash 10
DePauw 14

But, since the forcast is for a "Fast Track" and Sunny:
Wabash 35
DePauw 7

Quote from: BrightGuy on November 09, 2007, 04:54:28 PM
But, since the forcast is for a "Fast Track" and Sunny:

That's funny. You must have seen a different Blackstock Stadium turf than the one I've been looking at all season. Unless there's a joke that's going over my head, I think you're wrong to expect good footing up and down the field in this game.

Pete Metzelaars #88 (100% positive on the other list - thus some other being left off) - not 100% here?

David Kogan #26?
Marty Gregor #40?
Tom Vandergriff #10?
Alex Costa #12?
Eugene Anderson #3?
Bill Padgett #14?

Brightguy - same score as the a$$ whipping Knott & Co. dished out in 2002...  Remember how bad DPU looked that year in their "Fat Marshmellow" uniforms with paw prints all over them???  Gross.  I think that was Wiethoff's Frosh year playing behind Jared Lorenzen.

Hardest Nose tomorrow?

Chris Creighton vs. Matt Walker

Didn't Pete wear 99 at Wabash? I swear I saw that in one of the pics.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 09, 2007, 05:16:49 PM
That's funny. You must have seen a different Blackstock Stadium turf than the one I've been looking at all season. Unless there's a joke that's going over my head, I think you're wrong to expect good footing up and down the field in this game.

Agreed, partner.  Unless there's been some magical improvement in the last 14 days that nobody knows anything about, this field conditions are going to be poor tomorrow.  No rain dance required.  It hasn't been as bad as last year's Bell Game, but it's just plain crappy.

Very choppy in between the hashes, particularly as you move towards the north goal.  I've very clearly gone on record with my feelings about the poor job that the staff has done maintaining that football field. 

The story was that there's a new guy on the job in the last week or so.  Unless he's more in touch with the Earth than Captain Planet, don't hold your hopes up.  It could be a slick track tomorrow.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 09, 2007, 05:30:34 PM
Brightguy - same score as the a$$ whipping Knott & Co. dished out in 2002...  Remember how bad DPU looked that year in their "Fat Marshmellow" uniforms with paw prints all over them???  Gross.  I think that was Wiethoff's Frosh year playing behind Jared Lorenzen.

I've been spending my day watching Bell games of old...so far I've been through '06, '05, and the first half of '02.  '02 was the year DePauw came out in the White Marshmallow monstrosities that you speak of...hideous.  And yes, that was Weithoff's freshman year.  He punted in that game and not very well.  Special teams were not a strong suit of either team on that day.   

I just tossed in the '01 game...so far it's shaping up to be a good one.  Looks like it might go right down to the wire.   ;)

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2007, 06:01:50 PM

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 09, 2007, 05:30:34 PM
Brightguy - same score as the a$$ whipping Knott & Co. dished out in 2002...  Remember how bad DPU looked that year in their "Fat Marshmellow" uniforms with paw prints all over them???  Gross.  I think that was Wiethoff's Frosh year playing behind Jared Lorenzen.

I've been spending my day watching Bell games of old...so far I've been through '06, '05, and the first half of '02.  '02 was the year DePauw came out in the White Marshmallow monstrosities that you speak of...hideous.  And yes, that was Weithoff's freshman year.  He punted in that game and not very well.  Special teams were not a strong suit of either team on that day.   

I just tossed in the '01 game...so far it's shaping up to be a good one.  Looks like it might go right down to the wire.   ;)

Great post....great life....

1.to have the memories
2.to take the moments of life to enjoy them....

Marks of a Man leading a conscious life...

Nice....very nice....

Quote from: firstdown on November 09, 2007, 03:35:02 PM
I remember seeing the catch in 2001 - what a great feeling - the atmosphere at the Chapel later that evening when the brought in the Bell was electric. 

I am sure everyone that has attended a Chapel after a Bell Victory would agree that it is the definition of happiness and times that will not ever be forgotten.  The four I have attended were tremendous.

I'll quote Coach Al "Scoop" Wilcox circa 1988...."Gentlemen, we are NOW, dressed & seated!"

BashBro - talk atcha later this morning.

1-0 today.

Chris Creighton vs. Matt Walker

blah blah blah something inspirational that tugs at Wally heart-strings everywhere or something...

blah blah blah something about DePauw being non-religious and losing again...

There.  Save your breath.  I took care of that stupid sappy crap.

I really want to win today.  Like really bad.

Live stats for today's game are here (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/live/football/xlive.htm).

After a Matt Kraft int on DPU's first possession, Wabash drove and  had a fourth and two at the DPU 20, failed to convert.   DPU then drives inside the Wabash 10, a pass on third and goal falls incomplete, miss a 25-yd FG wide right, still scoreless with 2:31 left in the opening stanza.  Marks is finding some room, 35 yds in the first quarter.

Wabash drives 80 yards to take an early 7-0 lead, with the key play being a 49-yard pass from Matt Hudson to Mike Russell. 

DePauw takes advantage of a short field after the ensuing kickoff goes out of bounds near midfield; Spud Dick finds Bryan Mulligan from ten yards out on third down to answer, PAT is good and it's now tied at seven with 9:01 left in the second period. 

Marks continues to run well, with 66 yards on 15 carries, and Dick is 8-10-1 for 66 yds.  Wabash is led by Hudson's 9-12 for 118 yds but has not got much going on the ground yet.

Wabash answers right back as Hudson again finds Russell on a long pass play, this time 38 yards.  CP Porter takes it in from two yards out and the Little Giants lead 14-7 with 6:29 to play in the first half.

Adi's #40 stop on the goal line may have been the best tackle I have ever or ever will see......

With 1:23 to play Depauw drives from their 4 to the Wabash 29, Jordan Havercamp hits a 47 yard field goal attempt as time expires, DPU WINS 24-21!!! CONGRATS TIGERS!!

Spud Dick:  23-35 300 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT.
Jeremiah Marks:  45 rushes, 181 yards; 7 receptions, 97 yds, 2 TDs.
Bryan Mulligan, 15 receptions, 145 yds, 1 TD.

Matt Hudson 21-33 322 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT.
CP Porter 6 carries, 27 yds, 1 TD.
Mike Russell, 8 catches, 151 yds, 1 TD.

Congrats to DPU...you dominated our vaunted D line all day...you played with more heart...and you out coached us...at least your offense coaches outcoached our defensive guys. You deserved this one.

Well that was thoroughly depressing.

Congratulations to DePauw.

Let's go beat the tar out of the Olivet Comets!

Quote from: Joe Wally on November 10, 2007, 04:37:49 PM
Well that was thoroughly depressing.

Congratulations to DePauw.

Let's go beat the tar out of the Olivet Comets!

Not so fast...
The loss to DePauw was "in-region".  The committee will re-evaluate your ranking and probably knock you down 1-2 places.  Olivet probably goes to Franklin and Wabash can play the CCIW winner. 

Ralph,
No...the loss to DePauw was NOT in region...DPU is in the SOUTH region. Though...the playoffs are a moot point to me now...just wanted to let you know.

Quote from: WAF78 on November 10, 2007, 05:02:39 PM
Ralph,
No...the loss to DePauw was NOT in region...DPU is in the SOUTH region. Though...the playoffs are a moot point to me now...just wanted to let you know.

No, Ralph is correct both by the 200-mile rule and by the administrative regions rule.  It is an in-region game.

So, Wheaton????

I'm hoping that the boys take out the frustrations of this loss and "wood shed" their first round opponent.

But, Wheaton???

Quote from: Joe Wally on November 10, 2007, 05:07:08 PM
So, Wheaton????

I'm hoping that the boys take out the frustrations of this loss and "wood shed" their first round opponent.

But, Wheaton???

While there are still 43 seconds left, I think IWU has just knocked Wheaton clear out of the playoffs, 18-14.

I stand corrected

Excellent game plan by DePauw today - classic PTR and some well-timed deception plays - especially the direct snap to Marx while Dick was walking toward the sidelines.  Mulligan was terrific on the shallow outs, and the O-line just whipped the LGs D at scrimmage.

Heck, the Dannies were actually quaffing pints instead of Wine Coolers in Atlanta ;D  Excuse, now, for some creative shenanigans, ala Operation Frijoles!

Quote from: WAF78 on November 10, 2007, 04:11:51 PM
Congrats to DPU...you out coached us...

I'm going to go ahead and save that one for posterity, thanks. Should put the 'Creighton-vs.-Walker' comments to bed, at least for 358 days or so.

About a month ago I was back in my hometown of Denver, and I was at Coors Field to see the Rockies win the National League pennant. I thought I'd never get as great a thrill from a live sporting event. I was wrong. My radio call may not make it on SportsCenter (though the "Homer Call of The Week" segment on Dallas sports radio may be a likely destination) but I'll never forget it. What a thrill, what a finish, WHAT A GAME!

Hats off to Wabash - Pynenberg and Russell were FABULOUS and I'm glad the Tigers won't ever have to deal with them again. But DPU did exactly what they had to do to win that football game - they almost played themselves out of it, but they came through in the end. The better team on this day won the football game.

Now, if you'll excuse me... I'm off to ring the Bell.

Just back from the game. The only I can say is congratulations to DPU. That last drive was masterful and that kick was incredible. It always hurts to see us lose, which, unfortunately, seems to happen every time I'm in the stands, but it was a great effort by you guys and you flat out deserved to win this game.

I'm going to skip next year's Bell game, so hopefully we'll win it back from you guys.

Here's to DePauw and a great victory fitting of the rivalry.

Kudos to Ken Owen (DePauw '82) for his great work in sharing these videos of THE KICK and the game.

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=20365

What a hell of a game.

Congrats DPU.  This one stings a bit, but I don't feel like we (either the team or the Wabash crowd) came with the A game today.  You guys wanted it, and that's what makes this rivalry thrive.

Again congrats, and I look forward to winning it back from you guys next year.  If you'll excuse me, I need to have a long conversation with Basil Hayden.

Go Wabash....

P.S.  There are few things that are absolute certainties in life, but this I feel secure in.  Your kicker is so getting laid tonight  ;D

Tonight's destination is oblivion but before I set out on that trail in earnest and come back and post something completely stupid, I want to congratulate the Tigers on today's win.  The better team on the field today won the game and it probably shouldn't have come down to a last second field goal.  Helluva game, despite the result.  Games like this are what the whole thing is all about.  Again, congrats and well played by DePauw...you earned it. 

Oblivion awaits....

Wabash Always Fights!

Quote from: WAF78 on November 10, 2007, 05:02:39 PM
Ralph,
No...the loss to DePauw was NOT in region...DPU is in the SOUTH region. Though...the playoffs are a moot point to me now...just wanted to let you know.

DPU is technically in region because they are close enough mileage wise.  This loss hurts big time.  Probably doesn't take us out of hosting next weekend, but definitely takes Wabash out of hosting two games if seeds hold up.  Not to mention we go from hosting the MIAA team to playing Franklin or Wheaton.  The game is tougher on Saturday and not just because Wabash is bouncing back from a L.  The LGs have their work cut out for themselves. 

Ah, crap. Though the continued CCIW carnage helps. Wabash probably down to 3 behind Case. So perhaps NCC comes a 'callin to Hollett?

Quote from: gobash on November 10, 2007, 06:12:40 PM
P.S.  There are few things that are absolute certainties in life, but this I feel secure in.  Your kicker is so getting laid tonight  ;D

LOL!!!

Post of the year.

What an amazing kick. 

I think your comparisons are a bit misinformed, BB16.  I'm not sure I get it exactly, but we've got the Monon Bell and you don't. 

Good luck next week.

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 10, 2007, 08:17:54 PM
Chris Creighton vs. Matt Walker

1-1 - that is crazy.  Similar programs???...similar to BJ Schilchter mowing diagonals and Mitch Marcus running through the Sig window!  About the same as a 6 piece nugget and a double quarter pounder.  Not even close but...

24-21.

BB - I like the nuggets better. Give me a BK Double Stacker, though.

QuoteCongrats to DPU...you dominated our vaunted D line all day...you played with more heart...and you out coached us...at least your offense coaches outcoached our defensive guys. You deserved this one.

Class.

My second Monon Bell game. Wow. I have never seen such total domination of a front seven defense as I saw today by the Depauw Oline. I was told by a few Tiger biggins' that the Wabash D front seven didn't want any mo' punishment. Great college game and kudos to both teams.

Btw, is it customary for the Wabash section to insult the playing of the Depauw alma mater? Just curious. Coach Walker is a lucky man...nice truck.

Uugh.  I think it is official now.  THERE WILL NEVER BE AN OVERTIME BELL GAME!  With a minute to go I could have sworn I was experience 2001 reverse deja vu.  I am far less than qualified to second guess CC - but calling timeouts after turning the ball did cause more than a few heads to scratch in my section.  I am in too much of a haze to try and figure out if it would have effected the outcome. 

That has to be the ballsiest move to put in a zero experience backup kicker in to swing for a home run.  A blocked kick or runback of a shank could have . . . .

Why did it happen?   11 for 17 on 3rd down and 2 of 4 on 4th down, including 2 of those 4th down conversions on the game tying drive.  Ouch.  I am definately not celebrating having to go against Capital next week.  Hopefully the hard hat D will stiffen the "bend don't break" game plan.

As for game admin . . .

Kudos for taking down the concertina wire around blackstock.  That was a bit overkill.  Thank you for not hiring Joe Bob's sweat shirt clad rent a cop goons.  Putting Marion county and C'ville cops on the Wabash sidelines was a logical and correct choice.  HOWEVER.  and this is a big HOWEVER.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on t-shirt confiscations.  Before the game started, the cops was confiscating t-shirts off the backs of Wabash students that said "DePauw Swallows." 

Were the far more F-bomb Wabash t-shirts on the other side similarly taken up?  If there were - then please join me on a collective head scratch over such a ridiculous tactic.  If they weren't . . .

That is however the only security gripe I have.  They stopped confiscating shirts after the game started and as best I tell - left the fans alone.  Thankfully open container laws were similarly ignored as best I could tell at the tailgates.  A vast improvement over my previous trips down to dannieland.

And finally.  One final big tip of the hat to the NCAA who in 1999 had the foresight to expand the playoffs.  No longer does Wabash (or the other non d3 golden children) have to have a clean sheet in order to make the playoffs.  In 1982 - even a perfect record wasn't good enough.  I still have a sour taste in my mouth from the 98 season - the best team that Carlson ever put on the field.  It is a welcome change for when a team can sweep their conference in dramatic fashion, lose a non-conference bell game, and still be in contention for a high seed tournament berth. 

Should be another good game next week.  I hope nobody at capital tivo'ed HDNet this weekend.

Congrats to the Tigers on a great victory.

Wabndy,

I wondered the same thing on that timeout.  Apparently we had to take one because we had the wrong personnel in...  If we could have held on, it would have been a non-factor but it ended up helping them a great deal.  I kept hoping T-Bell would jump one of those quick hitters to Mulligan.  Credit Spud - he played a very solid, efficient game.  Some other thoughts:

- DPU's O-line was very impressive, I never thought our front 7 would struggle
- I thought for sure Adi would mirror Marks all day long?
- DPU killed us in the middle in the 1st half taking advantage of our ILB's deep & aggressive drops...UGH
- Marks was a stud, I was on the field level on the 36 yard TD and he can run (sounds like Mr. Obvious)
- As soon as the game ended Spud Dick ran to the Bash sideline to shake hands with the Bash coaches, very classy move that was very obvious
- I wonder if that 4th and 5 INT by Hudson was a check out, I can't see CC not getting the first down and moving the chains while eating more clock???
- I would have loved to have seen us try to bump and run on the outside - at least vs. Mulligan to mix up the look. 

Congrats to DPU for a well played game.  They followed their game plan to a "T."  DPULefty22 - your list was almost perfect to what DPU would have to do and they did that.  Time of possession was brutal 38 minutes to 21.  Hudson & Co. just didn't get enough 2nd half touches.  The Bash D just couldn't get enough 3rd down stops.  No sacks by the Bash D.  I am very glad Marks is a senior.

Thank goodness we can now look to the playoffs...

Wabash Always Fights!

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 11, 2007, 11:35:43 AM
I am very glad Marks is a senior.

Amen, says the choir.

WOW.  This year's game epitomizes the rivalry.  The Wabash D made some great goal line stands to keep the game close.  Great play calling and execution of the deep passes down the middle by Wabash.  I don't know where the safeties were, but Hudson & Co. made us pay frequently.  One comment on Adi- the guy can shed a block to make a play.  That is a skill that not many LBs have at any level.

A few stats that you don't see very often- DPU outgained Wabash by 100 yards and held the ball for nearly 40 minutes yet Wabash's quick strike offense went toe to toe with DPU on the scoreboard. 

I am anxious to see how DPU develops next year.  We lose Marks, but only one offensive lineman (Pappas).  Are we going to transition to more of a throwing team with Spud at QB and some good receivers or are we going to find another Horse to feed (Moore)?  Personally, I love seeing a RB carry it 40 times at about 4 yards a pop between the tackles when the defense can't do a thing about it.

By the way- Sportscenter had the kick on the Top 10 Plays.

Best of luck to Wabash in the playoffs.  Winning this game makes the whole year better.

I noticed that almost every time, the ball went to either Marks or Mulligan, and still the Hard Hats couldn't do anything about it. There's some skill down there in Greendingle, and I'd say that I'm a bit surprised that they couldn't beat Trinity or Millsaps.

Now onto MSJ at Hollett and then possibly a trip to Cleveland.

Quote from: smedindy on November 11, 2007, 05:24:08 PM
I noticed that almost every time, the ball went to either Marks or Mulligan, and still the Hard Hats couldn't do anything about it. There's some skill down there in Greendingle, and I'd say that I'm a bit surprised that they couldn't beat Trinity or Millsaps.

Now onto MSJ at Hollett and then possibly a trip to Cleveland.

smed, your amazement at DPU is why we southerners believe that our brand of football (at Trinity and at Millsaps) is that good.
:)

Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2007, 06:12:27 PM

Quote from: smedindy on November 11, 2007, 05:24:08 PM
I noticed that almost every time, the ball went to either Marks or Mulligan, and still the Hard Hats couldn't do anything about it. There's some skill down there in Greendingle, and I'd say that I'm a bit surprised that they couldn't beat Trinity or Millsaps.

Now onto MSJ at Hollett and then possibly a trip to Cleveland.

smed, your amazement at DPU is why we southerners believe that our brand of football (at Trinity and at Millsaps) is that good.
:)

Just saying that that IS a good football team. Actually, I'm more amazed on why DPU danced with the devil so many times this season, beating inferior teams by close margins.

I think that if DePauw were in the playoffs they'd be trouble for some teams since they play ball control and can hit on defense.

I think that Marks wasn't healthy enough all year to carry the ball 143 times per game had a lot to do with it, smed.

Ah, yeah. That'll do it.

Quote from: smedindy on November 11, 2007, 05:24:08 PM
Actually, I'm more amazed on why DPU danced with the devil so many times this season, beating inferior teams by close margins.

And that was the really remarkable thing for me.  As poorly as they played pass defense in the Trinity, Millsaps, and Colorado games, to play as well as they did on Saturday was completely unexpected.  Yes, Hudson still had a nice day, particularly throwing to Russell, but Hudson didn't throw for 4 bills and 5 scores like Joseph and Barmore did previously.  The changes that the coaching staff made to that scheme clearly had a positive impact.

And, yeah, being able to run Jeremiah 40+ sure helps.

Some new Monon Bell memories for me:

* Tailgating was awesome and could not have worked out better.  Great weather, great friends, great family.  Throw in some friendly jabs between the crowds.  Parking the motorhome in the Peeler lot worked out just fine.  We parked it on Friday at a terrific location by the grass.  I take back what I said earlier although I would still like to park by the stadium.
* The crowd on both sides.  It is great that the traditions hang around, from the shirts, to the catchy phrases yelled by the crowds - Why does DePauw blow ?  I asked someone.
* The game.  Outstanding on both sides.  I think I may have posted earlier in the week, if not I thought it, that if DPU held Wabash to 3 scores, they had a chance.  Marks was the man, the Oline played great, Spud was efficient and effective when he was needed.  The defense played well except for the 3 big plays.  One guy who almost went unnoticed - Mulligan - was exceptional - 15 catches, that is sick.  I saw him on one series of plays when DPU was driving for the 3rd score.  He was absolutely gassed.  He waddled to the sideline asking to come out.  It was 3rd and 4.  The coaches pushed him back in.  He did not even make it to the huddle.  The slot told him the play.  And he makes the catch for a 5 yard gain and first down.  That is what this game is all about.
* My son gets to experience this game and makes the first tackle of the game on the kickoff.  Awesome feeling for both of us I am sure.
* Great to see Tim Weaver getting inducted into the DPU Hall of Fame.  Tim is recovering from cancer and appears to have beat it.  Great to see Marvin Long after the game.  He came by our tailgate and we shared some old Sigma Nu stories, with some exaggerations sprinkled in I am sure.  Spent the evening at Eddie Meyer's for the usual chili dinner and several cocktails.
* Would have liked to see some Wabash players from the early 80's.  There is always next year.
* What time can I park the motorhome at LG stadium next year ?  I am already planning.
* Finally, good luck to Wabash this weekend.  You lost to a good, if not very good, DPU team.  Get over it and play your asses off this weekend.  I want to see a victory.  Will this game be streamed anywhere ?

Still - Adi's hit on Claxton at the goal line is the hit of the year!

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 12, 2007, 10:01:12 AM

Quote from: smedindy on November 11, 2007, 05:24:08 PM
Actually, I'm more amazed on why DPU danced with the devil so many times this season, beating inferior teams by close margins.

And that was the really remarkable thing for me.  As poorly as they played pass defense in the Trinity, Millsaps, and Colorado games, to play as well as they did on Saturday was completely unexpected.  Yes, Hudson still had a nice day, particularly throwing to Russell, but Hudson didn't throw for 4 bills and 5 scores like Joseph and Barmore did previously.  The changes that the coaching staff made to that scheme clearly had a positive impact.

And, yeah, being able to run Jeremiah 40+ sure helps.

Several Comments, (These are not excuses, injuries happen)

First, this was the first game in a long time that virtually everyone was healthy. On Offense: Marks bruise was very significant, and he has not been at full strength until recently. Anyone who saw him at Rhodes after the game was amazed at the amount of ice strapped to various parts of his body. Pappas has fought recurring stingers all year, and the new neck roll seemed to resolve this and allow him to get back to his usual nasty self. Claxton has fought injuries and until the foot broke he was the battering ram of old. Ellenger has wrestled with an ankle that seems to have healed allowing him far greater mobility. All of this allowed the O to move the ball they way they should have all year. Trinity, CC, and Millsaps cannot run up and down the field if we have the ball in our hands, chewing up clock.

The Defense had injuries for Reed #10, McNealus #50, as well as others, and the offenses problems and poor field goal kicking has left them in some rotten spots. I do not believe the defense would have had as many lapses had they not been forced to stay on the field due to the offensive injuries. I would speculate that the Wabash staff did not see on film the team they saw Saturday on the field. When the offense is at full strength, we can control a game.

Wabash for their part was a great opponent. I was completely impressed with Adi, and based on some comments I heard he was gracious and complimentary to those asked to block him- no small task. I was completely inpressed with the way Pappas, Ellenger, Yearwood, Lundorf, and Joeckel dominated the trenches. Touches translate into TD's and DePauw controlled the touches.

Great game to watch!!!

Fripp52,

Was Weaver #3???

Bashbacker

Tim Weaver was #3.  He was a year behind me.  His football seasons were 82, 83, 84, and 85  He was a very good wide receiver.  He was not big or real fast, but very deceptive.  He also had great success on punt and kickoff returns.  He is a lawyer now based in the Elkhart area.  Great to see him.

Most of my closest DPU friends are defensive guys.  We were joking that during our careers, the only guys that got inducted into the HOF are offensive guys - Bonnacorsi, Weaver, DeNicola.....With all the Ints and fumbles those guys created, at least one of us should be there.

Bashbro posted this on the NCAC page & thought you guys would like to see this...what a great play by #40 Pynenberg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9z-6NQPCmo

Glad somebody captured that on video.

Glad somebody captured  this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuBMym8V270) on video, too.  ;D

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 13, 2007, 09:23:23 AM
Bashbro posted this on the NCAC page & thought you guys would like to see this...what a great play by #40 Pynenberg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9z-6NQPCmo

I saw that hit from close range and it was tremendous. The video accurately captures the moment- it was a big time play by a big time winner.

The kid was all class after the game giving kudos to the DePauw OLine. This game for me epiomizes a true rivalry- two teams competing at a high level, with history.

The DePauw kicker will find his name etched in that history forever.

The only problem with Adi's tackle was that it ended the first half instead of the second half.  :-\

Quote from: Schwami on November 13, 2007, 06:02:03 PM
The only problem with Adi's tackle was that it ended the first half instead of the second half.  :-\

Schwami.............I reiterate........it was perfect!!!!!!

One of the best hits I've ever seen on ANY level. Whoever denigrates D-3 shall get a copy of that hit.

Quote from: smedindy on November 13, 2007, 09:34:05 PM
One of the best hits I've ever seen on ANY level. Whoever denigrates D-3 shall get a copy of that hit.

Whoever denigrates D-3 should get hit like that.   ;D

Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2007, 11:56:04 PM
Whoever denigrates D-3 should get hit like that.   ;D

:)!