I think this is a fantastic idea and i'm glad that it's going to be mandatory for next season. It will free up the court for a more open game and decrease the amount of 3P's made/taken. The current 19'9" isn't a challenge for a lot of guys and weaker teams with small shooters take advantage of this way too often (my opinion). Moving the line back is a great thing for college basketball.
I'm kind of skeptical it will change the game much myself. 9" isn't that much, probably over half the 3's taken are already behind that distance.
We may just end up with more missed 3's per game than before. I'm not sure why exactly the distanced has been changed, there doesn't seem to be a statistical reason for the change. 3pt shooting % has been dropping since its introduction 20 years ago.
Just what we need, more lines on the floor. With the volleyball lines and now two 3 pt lines. A place like the "Garden" in NYC. You'll have the women's ( H.S. ), men's and the NBA lines. It will look like a bulls eye.
Just make the college game the international rules, including the trapezoidal lane. Fear the trapezoid.
Quote from: smedindy on January 27, 2008, 07:05:49 PM
Just make the college game the international rules, including the trapezoidal lane. Fear the trapezoid.
I agree!
I think the change in 3-point line will have minimal effect on the game. Its only getting moved back slightly, and I think that the majority of the 3's taken already come from anywhere from 1 to 2 feet behind the current line. I do agree though that the court is strating to have too many lines on it. Starts to get distracting
Illinois Wesleyan refinished the Shirk Center floor this summer and decided to add the new line to the court, even though it doesn't take effect until next year. After watching games this year at seeing where guys shoot 3's from, I really don't think the new line will have much impact at all...
http://www.iwuhoops.com/sjohn.jpg
i think it's going to actually free up the game a bit more...any little amount of space is good. i don't like the current 3P line and i actually think they should back the new one up to 21"9 instead of 20"9. The NBA line is 23"9 so 21"9 wouldn't be that big of a deal.
I agree that 20"9 isn't that big of a deal compared to the 19"9 it already is and i also agree that more lines added to the court just sucks but it is a step to improve the college game and i like it.
Quote from: NYBB on January 28, 2008, 12:40:06 AM
i think it's going to actually free up the game a bit more...any little amount of space is good. i don't like the current 3P line and i actually think they should back the new one up to 21"9 instead of 20"9. The NBA line is 23"9 so 21"9 wouldn't be that big of a deal.
I agree that 20"9 isn't that big of a deal compared to the 19"9 it already is and i also agree that more lines added to the court just sucks but it is a step to improve the college game and i like it.
Go with 21"9. It only makes the players better as well. Gives em more room and generates more rebounds. Sometimes it separates skill from luck as well. I believe it will force more lane drives and inside play. The current 3pt line seems OK for the women but too easy for the men at times.
The only down side is that is seems a talented team could score 3's at will from the current distance, and control the game at will. Moving the line back will separate space for kickouts and possible steals from the passes going a longer distance could make for more turnovers. Will this be more exciting I would think is the real question, or will it cause more teams to go inside more often? On screens, that 1 or 2 feet could let a player slide through in the paint if they are up higher covering the three player shooting. When screening down and across I would thing the new line would allow more space from the corner and wings as well. The less talented teams won't be able to take advantage of the 3 as easy though.
I don't like the rule. If you moved it back to 21'9 or farther it would make a difference but that one foot isn't going to change anything except make the floor look more cluttered.
I'll offer a Karma point to the first person who can post a picture of a court with FOUR three-point lines. Women's College/HS, the new Men's College, International and NBA.
On your mark, get set, Google!
(actually, we may not get a winner until next fall)
I can't. Here's a nice shot of Baruch's court with both the women & men's 3P line though.
http://athletics.baruch.cuny.edu/index.asp?path=mbball&tab=mens
The more and more i think about this, the more and more i think it's a really good idea.
I play in a men's league at the Reebok Sports Club in NYC on the upper west side and there are a lot of ex NCAA players in the league. Most of these guys aren't that long out of school and it's ridiculous how easy it is for them to just drop 3's in from the 19'9" line...it's like a foul shot for most of them.
Now i know that 20'9" isn't THAT much of a difference but it's still a difference. The 3 point line is too close and perhaps, just maybe that extra foot changes the ease of scoring from the outside next season.
With the way that kids shoot jump shots and three's now days, I don't see moving it back a tad, making a huge difference.
I wish that they had gone to international dimensions for the arc and the lane.
As someone said, "Fear the Zoid!" :D
For what it's worth, why not go to the 11' hoop?
11' Basket (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ImsVDsTnE) (Intro by Tom Newell)
ForLoveOfGame web site (http://familysportslifetoday.com/ForLoveOfGame/)
(I could not find any "you-tubes" of that game.)
An 11 foot hoop with a 'zoid! Zoinks! Hello, jump shooters!
i dont know, i think it could be a bad mistake, you all say 9 inches isnt that much, but it seperates a long-mid range jump shooter from a 3-point shooter now and i guarantee the % is about 5-8% points better, now im rambling and not making any sense, i just dont like it, maybe 20'5 or something
I just don't like all the 3-point arcs that will be on the floor. I don't really think this will detract players from shooting 3's, seems like most shoot a few feet behind the 3 line anyways.
Quote from: LogShow on March 13, 2008, 01:10:39 PM
I just don't like all the 3-point arcs that will be on the floor. I don't really think this will detract players from shooting 3's, seems like most shoot a few feet behind the 3 line anyways.
It might keep a few of the big players inside more, and it will give teams that dribble drive a little more room.
Quote from: sac on March 13, 2008, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 13, 2008, 01:10:39 PM
I just don't like all the 3-point arcs that will be on the floor. I don't really think this will detract players from shooting 3's, seems like most shoot a few feet behind the 3 line anyways.
It might keep a few of the big players inside more, and it will give teams that dribble drive a little more room.
I don't know why...but I really like the term dribble drive. I think it's a word I need to incorporate into my vocabulary. I laugh every time I hear an anouncer say it on TV :)
Quote from: YeAhItSmE303 on March 12, 2008, 11:13:47 PM
i dont know, i think it could be a bad mistake, you all say 9 inches isnt that much, but it seperates a long-mid range jump shooter from a 3-point shooter now and i guarantee the % is about 5-8% points better, now im rambling and not making any sense, i just dont like it, maybe 20'5 or something
20-5 actually is eight inches beyond 19-9. 20-9 is actually 12 inches beyond 19-9.
Pat Coleman, you know what i meant, its still that much shorter, Lebron James made a quote once about the changing of the basketball, which should always be a constant like how the length of the 3 point line should be a constant, "You can shorten our shorts, tell us how to wear wristbands, things like that. Change the dress code. But the one thing we care about is the basketball," he said. "When you start changing the thing we play with every single day, it doesn't make sense to me -- at all.", thats what there doing, i just dont think its right to change it now.
Quote from: YeAhItSmE303 on March 14, 2008, 03:52:31 PM
Pat Coleman, you know what i meant, its still that much shorter, Lebron James made a quote once about the changing of the basketball, which should always be a constant like how the length of the 3 point line should be a constant, "You can shorten our shorts, tell us how to wear wristbands, things like that. Change the dress code. But the one thing we care about is the basketball," he said. "When you start changing the thing we play with every single day, it doesn't make sense to me -- at all.", thats what there doing, i just dont think its right to change it now.
So clearly you are advocating a return to peach baskets, no dribbling and Naismith's original 12 rules. ;)
Don't fear change if it makes the game better.
From someone who's brother hit 403 in his college career, I really don't think it will make that much of a difference for the actual three point shooters. Those that don't usually, or shouldn't be, will have to think twice.
My concern is the confusion of lines on the court for the officials. We in D3 don't have the advantage of replay.
Quote from: Just Bill on March 14, 2008, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: YeAhItSmE303 on March 14, 2008, 03:52:31 PM
Pat Coleman, you know what i meant, its still that much shorter, Lebron James made a quote once about the changing of the basketball, which should always be a constant like how the length of the 3 point line should be a constant, "You can shorten our shorts, tell us how to wear wristbands, things like that. Change the dress code. But the one thing we care about is the basketball," he said. "When you start changing the thing we play with every single day, it doesn't make sense to me -- at all.", thats what there doing, i just dont think its right to change it now.
So clearly you are advocating a return to peach baskets, no dribbling and Naismith's original 12 rules. ;)
Don't fear change if it makes the game better.
You forget the old 2-footed set shot :)
Quote from: fcnews on March 14, 2008, 04:23:14 PM
From someone who's brother hit 403 in his college career, I really don't think it will make that much of a difference for the actual three point shooters. Those that don't usually, or shouldn't be, will have to think twice.
My concern is the confusion of lines on the court for the officials. We in D3 don't have the advantage of replay.
Honestly, I think the refs can handle it. MANY of these guys (and gals) call games in many different leagues, down to high school and maybe some international and semi-pro leagues. I think they know which line to base a shot on.
Plus the fact, for MOST schools in Division III, there will be MAYBE two different three point lines, and it isn't that hard to figure out the further line out is the one to judge by.
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 16, 2008, 12:29:15 AM
Quote from: fcnews on March 14, 2008, 04:23:14 PM
From someone who's brother hit 403 in his college career, I really don't think it will make that much of a difference for the actual three point shooters. Those that don't usually, or shouldn't be, will have to think twice.
My concern is the confusion of lines on the court for the officials. We in D3 don't have the advantage of replay.
Honestly, I think the refs can handle it. MANY of these guys (and gals) call games in many different leagues, down to high school and maybe some international and semi-pro leagues. I think they know which line to base a shot on.
Plus the fact, for MOST schools in Division III, there will be MAYBE two different three point lines, and it isn't that hard to figure out the further line out is the one to judge by.
You'd be surprised how hard it is........these guys couldn't handle 1 line. Play the video
http://www.woodtv.com/global/story.asp?S=8020826
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 16, 2008, 12:29:15 AM
Plus the fact, for MOST schools in Division III, there will be MAYBE two different three point lines, and it isn't that hard to figure out the further line out is the one to judge by.
What do you mean "maybe"? Unless you're a single-gender school you WILL have two lines.
Just Bill - good point. I have had it in my head it was moving for women's, too... which it is not!
After watching Kansas/Texas this afternoon it won't affect the D1 game at all. Sheesh!
I do think it may change some aspects of the D3 game a bit, but when the line moves back, kids will just work harder to get stronger and more accurate so we'll see.
link to espn article about the new 3pt line.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=3481963
Like that the new 3-pt line is consistent with the international game. Should be nearly a non-event for most D3 teams to shoot from a foot further.
Quote from: pbrooks3 on August 01, 2008, 11:40:08 PM
Like that the new 3-pt line is consistent with the international game. Should be nearly a non-event for most D3 teams to shoot from a foot further.
The new NCAA men's line is NOT consistent with the International line. NCAA is 20'9", FIBA is 21'0"
Isn't international 21-6?
Whether 20'6" or 21', I doubt many shooters will even notice a 3" difference from 20'9"!
I'd call it "consistent with the international game". ;)
Except, of course, for those who paint the floors. ;D (Any courts that need lines for women, men, international, and NBA? And is the WNBA any one of the above, or a different length entirely?)
FIBA is 6.25m, or roughly 20'6"
But they're changing, after the 2010 worlds, to 6.75m, or roughly 22'2" (and changing their foul lane to the NBA's rectangle from their current distinctive trapezoid).
That's too bad, I liked the trapezoid
UWSP is currently redoing Quandt gym's floor...
It's not finished yet, but here's a time lapse of the project:
(http://athletics.uwsp.edu/News/mbball/2008/8/17/Quandt.asp?path=mbball)LINK
LINK... (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/News/mbball/2008/8/17/Quandt.asp?path=mbball)
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on August 24, 2008, 07:02:32 PM
LINK... (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/News/mbball/2008/8/17/Quandt.asp?path=mbball)
Details, details...
In some of the construction pictures of our new athletic facility, you can see the two 3-point lines. The link is: http://www.olivetcollege.edu/construction/events_center/gallery.php.