Just wanted to get some talk about the Mid-Atlantic region going before D3baseball.com writes their preview on it. Who are the top teams in each conference? Who will represent the region in Appleton? Top players in the region? You get this gist of things.
Hopkins has to be the odds on favorite, with all due respect to Kean...Hopkins graduated only 4 guys off that team last year, that was loaded offensively....they bring their entire pitching staff including a guy who got hurt in Az last season who is 88+....their best offensive player, and 3B, who got hurt last season also in Az is back...their All-American SS is back...look out, I think they are legit....of course i could be way off... ;)
Hi fellas.....I'm new here and to the D3 baseball world, but am excited for the upcoming season. I can tell you that Alvernia lost some big guns, and that they have a young pitching staff, but with this coaching staff and some very good returning players, they should be very competitive, esp. in the PAC. We play 3 at Lynchburg this weekend, so we'll find out soon.....
Quote from: baseball1001 on February 18, 2008, 10:19:42 PM
Just wanted to get some talk about the Mid-Atlantic region going before D3baseball.com writes their preview on it. Who are the top teams in each conference? Who will represent the region in Appleton? Top players in the region? You get this gist of things.
The Mid-Atlantic review will be on line Thursday.
Won't be Frostburg -- what a start! I guess the AD is rethinking his moves since July right about now.
We won't know about Kane until they get some games under their belts, but right now, the pitching lokks pretty good, the defense looks excellent, and the line-up looks strong. Of course, its what you do on the field that counts, so lets see where they are come March 12 -- 7-10 games played and heading out west.
I believe Hopkins has to be the favorite headed into the season. Im afraid kean got its high ranking simply out of respect for their great season last year, but looking at who they lost, i just think its really bold to say they still belong that highly ranked. Hopkins returns alot. They return 3 all-conference position players and their entire pitching staff. They also add some guys back from injuries which i hear will more than make up for their few losses at C and 2B. Gwenedd-Mercy also returns a hefty crew of hitters, but their pitching might be a weak point. Kean is also a possible threat to repeat, but I believe things set up well for hopkins this year. We will see...
I don't wish to be rude, but there is a Mid-Atlantic Region thread. Shouldn't this be there, or are we going to duplicate all the regional threads on the national topics board?
Until proven otherwise, there will never be a season in which the favorite to win this region IMO isn't the NJAC favorite.
So...anyone know who the preseason pick was in the NJAC? I never saw a poll.
Kean. Posted today on the NJAC site.
Quote from: rjburke on February 20, 2008, 04:49:15 PM
Kean. Posted today on the NJAC site.
Thanks...little surprised by that but honestly don't know what they have coming back.
My guess would have been Montclair State.
how could rowan get any recognition they get it every year no matter what they do, they are not that good, there are other teams in the njac that are sleepers that you better watch out for, every year montclair, rowan get votes in preseason for no good reason
2008 NJAC Baseball
Preseason Coaches Poll
1. Kean (5)
2. Montclair State (4)
3. Rowan (1)
4. The College of New Jersey
5. Richard Stockton (dark horse)
6. Ramapo
7. William Paterson
8. Rutgers-Camden
9. Rutgers-Newark
10. New Jersey City
First Place Votes In Parentheses
I was a bit surprised that TCNJ was picked fourth after winning the last three NJAC titles.
Quote from: blipp50 on February 20, 2008, 11:46:55 PM
how could rowan get any recognition they get it every year no matter what they do, they are not that good, there are other teams in the njac that are sleepers that you better watch out for, every year montclair, rowan get votes in preseason for no good reason
blipp50,
Yeah, Montclair is soooo over rated every year. Thirty-nine trips to the regional tourney, thirteen trips to the College World Series (3 of the last 7 years), and three national championships worth of over rated! Until last season, Rowan was in five consecutive regional tournaments with two College World Series appearances. They also happen to return their entire starting pitching rotation this year.
Do you think Ramapo's a sleeper? They finished near the bottom of the NJAC in fielding percentage and pitching – giving up almost twice the runs / game that Kean did. They also had a pretty weak early season schedule (four games against Apprentice?), before playing close to .500 ball the last 20 games —
NJAC games! How do you see them above Kean, TCNJ, Rowan, or Montclair?
I can buy Stockton as a sleeper. They return their pitchers (who unlike Ramapo, were not bad last year). But how can you rate them higher than fifth when Stockton advanced to the NJAC playoffs for the first time in school history in '07 and promptly went 0-2?
C'mon blipp50, I know you're a Ramapo fan, but at least show me some facts behind your silly statement — and some knowledge of NJAC history (recent will do) while you're at it.
I really think this is the year the NJAC will not send the representative from the MA region....Hopkins is loaded this year, and should put together a monster season...lookin forward to it...without a doubt the NJAC will put a team out there that will be a force, but i think this year things line up very nicely for them....only time will tell.....less than 10 days!!
phil, i understand what your saying but when your number 1 in the nation in hitting for almost the whole season its hard to count ramapo out. The pitching was suspect but i guess we will have to see what this year holds. as for apprentice, this year they open up with a tough 3 game trip to virginia playing christopher newport and north carolina wesleyan. i guess we will have to see what ramapo is really made of. But just remember rowan got swept by ramapo last year with the same pitchers they have this year. Montclair i feel will be stronger this year. so its gonna be an interesting year, lets leave it at that!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Cutter on February 21, 2008, 12:20:44 PM
I really think this is the year the NJAC will not send the representative from the MA region....Hopkins is loaded this year, and should put together a monster season...lookin forward to it...without a doubt the NJAC will put a team out there that will be a force, but i think this year things line up very nicely for them....only time will tell.....less than 10 days!!
That's quite a risky bet.
blipp,
Ramapo had an in-conference ERA of 7.21, Rowan's was 3.00. Rowan returns their starting pitchers. TCNJ, Rowan, Montclair and Kean averaged 10 runs per game against the Roadrunners.
Admittedly, Ramapo did a great job at the plate last season, but it's pitching that gets you through the NJAC playoffs and Regionals.
I was looking at the schedules for the other AMCC teams and I noticed that Frostburg is not making a trip south-that could be a BIG MISTAKE.
Lake Erie - going to Arizona 3/4-3/9
Medaille- going to Florida 3/14-3/19
Penn State (Behrend) going to Florida 3/9-3/15
Pitt-Bradford going to Arizona 3/8-3/14
Pitt-Greensburg - going to Florida 3/9-3/14
Considering they have not even practiced on the field yet (apparently except for their trip to North Carolina), can they be competitive this year? I guess it remains to be seen. Are they having budget problems?
Quote from: hank stein on February 22, 2008, 07:35:30 PM
Considering they have not even practiced on the field yet (apparently except for their trip to North Carolina), can they be competitive this year? I guess it remains to be seen. Are they having budget problems?
They had budget problems even last year. Athletic department had its budget cut $25,000.00 (baseball $5,000.00) after school started. "Fundraising" (parents!) covered the gap. The rumor is Coach McKnight didn't want the baseball program cut more this year and that led to his "resignation" and the loss of several key players.
I reviewed of the preseason pole, I think La Roche and Pit will finish ahead of Frostburg.
Penn State should finsh No. 1 if their bats stay alive and infielding stays consistent, and La Roche will probably have the consistency to finish 1 or 2 this season, and if Pitt's bats get hot, then they will finish a strong 3rd.
For Frostburg, I belive 4th place. They apparently played well this weekend, and if the senior leadership stays strong and the infield can produce at the plate, they should finish pretty strong. The problem for Frostburg is center and left field. You have 7 players for 2 positions. Thats a problem-maybe good (good talent pool) and maybe bad. (there is already talk of players transferring).
2008 Baseball Preseason Poll
(Regular season finish in 2007)
1. Penn State Behrend (4)
2. Frostburg State (T-1)
3. La Roche (T-1)
4. Pitt-Bradford (5)
5. Medaille (T-1)
6. Pitt-Greensburg (6)
7. Penn State Altoona (9)
8. Mount Aloysius (7)
9. Lake Erie (8)
10. Hilbert (10)
Frostburg got swept by Lake Erie. I think they could be in for a long season. Sources indicate Lake Erie looked good. For Frostburg, apparently the seniors are struggling, too many errors and their coach is still playing with the lineup. Sometime change has a rough path.
Major congratulations to Delaware Valley College third base senior, Zach Jakubowski. named player of the year in the MAC!!
Any word on any recruiting home runs this spring???? Or what studs have transferred???
Amazing, isn't it, how very few people read this board compared to the other regions?
Apathetic may best describe the Mid-Atlantic Region readers of this board. Surprising when you consider the NJAC has produced so many high quality teams over the years. I have often thought there might be a board somewhere else that NJAC followers read.
Quote from: Hammer Ball on February 12, 2010, 01:12:27 PM
Apathetic may best describe the Mid-Atlantic Region readers of this board. Surprising when you consider the NJAC has produced so many high quality teams over the years. I have often thought there might be a board somewhere else that NJAC followers read.
The NJAC football board is usually pretty dead during the fall aside from a handful of Rowan posters, a couple of Montclair posters and a few Cortland State posters.
Keystone College should win the CSAC and look to make some noise in the regionals and world series. Don't sleep on this new and up rising team. From the roster I saw posted on the website and from other source that know about the players they are stacked. I say you will see Kean Vs Keystone in the regional final again this year.
The MAC Commonwealth should be a highly competitive conference this season... I see it coming down to Alvernia and Elizabethtown. They both made it to the 2009 Mid-Atlantic Regional and both had good showings. Etown went 2-2, beating Montclair St. (of the high and mighty, no one can touch us, NJAC) and PSU-Berks. Alvernia also defeated Montclair St. and lost 2-1 to the regional runner-up Keystone. Etown lost 10-8 to Keystone in poor weather conditions, and 5-3 to TCNJ in a game that was suspended over night. Not bad for two teams from a conference everyone thinks is weak.
Last season, these two teams met 4 times, splitting the games. Alvernia beat Etown over Spring break twice, 1-0 and 10-9. Etown came back and defeated Alvernia on their field twice 6-2, and 6-5 (10 innings). The first matchup pitted two of the best returning pitchers on each squad, Chris Stoudt (Alvernia) and Adam Hartzell (Etown). Hartzell ended with 9 k's, but it was Stoudt's bat that beat the Blue Jays. Hartzell came back and beat the Crusaders later in the year.
Etown's number 2 pitcher this year, Matt Vinagro, also had a good showing against Alvernia last season. He started in the 6-5 victory. The Blue Jays didnt face the Crusaders top 2 pitchers, but know what they are up against.
They are now in the same division after Alvernia comes over from the Freedom Conference.
I still like Etown bc of the experience both Vinagro and Hartzell have gained when pitching well in the regionals last season. Etown also has the experience in the MAC Commonwealth, winning 3 of the last 4 championships and losing the last possible game during that non-championship season.
Now that we have a few games under our belts, let me start the conversation with this assessment of the top ten in the Mid-Atlantic Region.
1. Johns Hopkins (6-1). Wins over Concordia (IL) and Concordia (WI) split with Macalester and besides I'm a homer
2. DeSales (4-4). Good win over Kean. Quality losses to Texas Lutheran and Trinity (TX).
3. Kean (6-4). Wins over Franklin and Marshall, Brockport and Old Westbury. No shame losses to DeSales, Wooster, and Carthage.
4. Penn State-Behrend (7-1). Wins over Elizabethtown and Ursinus. Split with Manhattanville.
5. William Patterson (4-1-1). Split with Worcester State. Wins over UMass Boston and Babson.
6. Rowan (5-4). Split with Worcester State. Wins over Franklin and Marshall, Brockport, and Curry.
7. Franklin and Marshall (1-2). One-run losses to Rowan and Kean.
8. Frostburg State (8-3). Wins over Old Westbury and Mary Washington.
9. Haverford (6-2). Good win over North Park.
10. Montclair State (3-2). Wins over North Carolina Wesleyan, Piedmont and Oglethorpe. Quality losses to Denison and Heidleburg.
Quote from: RSSmith on March 15, 2010, 12:10:37 PM
Now that we have a few games under our belts, let me start the conversation with this assessment of the top ten in the Mid-Atlantic Region.
1. Johns Hopkins (6-1). Wins over Concordia (IL) and Concordia (WI) split with Macalester and besides I'm a homer
2. DeSales (4-4). Good win over Kean. Quality losses to Texas Lutheran and Trinity (TX).
3. Kean (6-4). Wins over Franklin and Marshall, Brockport and Old Westbury. No shame losses to DeSales, Wooster, and Carthage.
4. Penn State-Behrend (7-1). Wins over Elizabethtown and Ursinus. Split with Manhattanville.
5. William Patterson (4-1-1). Split with Worcester State. Wins over UMass Boston and Babson.
6. Rowan (5-4). Split with Worcester State. Wins over Franklin and Marshall, Brockport, and Curry.
7. Franklin and Marshall (1-2). One-run losses to Rowan and Kean.
8. Frostburg State (8-3). Wins over Old Westbury and Mary Washington.
9. Haverford (6-2). Good win over North Park.
10. Montclair State (3-2). Wins over North Carolina Wesleyan, Piedmont and Oglethorpe. Quality losses to Denison and Heidleburg.
If Pappius-Lefebvre is indeed out for the season, remove Haverford from the list.
We're getting into conference play in the Mid-Atlantic region. Here's how I see the top of the pile:
1. #19 Johns Hopkins (11-3, 0-0 CC). Last 4 games were pronounced wins over Keene State, #22 Southern Maine, and #14 Eastern Connecticut. And, I'm a homer.
2. #7 Kean (9-4, 0-0 NJAC). Lost 2 to #12 Carthage, split with #3 Wooster, beat Keystone.
3. Rowan (8-5, 0-0 NJAC). Beat Wheaton (MA) like a lot of other teams. Averaging only 5.5 runs per game.
4. Montclair State (4-3, 0-0 NJAC). No shame losses to #2 Heidleberg, #20 Shenandoah, and #9 RPI.
5. Lebanon Valley (9-3, 0-0 MACC). 2 losses to a very good Ferrum team.
6. Penn State-Behrend (8-2, 0-0 AMCC). No heavy lifting. Split with Manhattanville and Thomas More.
7. DeSales (7-4, 3-0 MACF). Easy conference wins over lightweight opposition. Won't be challenged until March 30 at Montclair State.
8. Widener (6-3, 0-0 MACC). Won 2 from Farmingdale. Good losses to #11 Augustana and #16 Rose Hulman.
9. Frostburg State (12-5, 0-0 AMCC). Stomped Washington College.
10. Franklin & Marshall (5-6-1, 0-0 CC). Good win against Averett, but got swept by defending Southern Region champ #20 Shenandoah. Dips will be glad to start conference play.
Quote from: RSSmith on March 23, 2010, 04:39:28 PM
We're getting into conference play in the Mid-Atlantic region. Here's how I see the top of the pile:
1. Johns Hopkins (11-3, 0-0 CC). Last 4 games were pronounced wins over Keene State, #22 Southern Maine, and #14 Eastern Connecticut.
2. Kean (9-4, 0-0 NJAC). Lost 2 to #12 Carthage, split with #3 Wooster, beat Keystone.
3. Rowan (8-5, 0-0 NJAC). Beat Wheaton (MA) like a lot of other teams. Averaging only 5.5 runs per game.
4. Montclair State (4-3, 0-0 NJAC). No shame losses to #2 Heidleberg, #20 Shenandoah, and #9 RPI.
5. Lebanon Valley (9-3, 0-0 MACC). 2 losses to a very good Ferrum team.
6. Penn State-Behrend (8-2, 0-0 AMCC). No heavy lifting. Split with Manhattanville and Thomas More.
7. DeSales (7-4, 3-0 MACF). Easy conference wins over lightweight opposition. Won't be challenged until March 30 at Montclair State.
8. Widener (6-3, 0-0 MACC). Won 2 from Farmingdale. Good losses to #11 Augustana and #16 Rose Hulman.
9. Frostburg State (12-5, 0-0 AMCC). Stomped Washington College.
10. Franklin & Marshall (5-6-1, 0-0 CC). Good win against Averett, but got swept by defending Southern Region champ #20 Shenandoah. Dips will be glad to start conference play.
NJAC is seriously down this year. I dont know how this conference is still going to get at large teams in when they have the records they have, and the games they have lost overall. But they will
I dont see anything that says that this conference is the SEC of D3 baseball anymore, which was the justification for teams like Montclair (26-18) getting in a few years back. If JHU had a 4-3 record as Montclair, or an 8-5 record as Rowan, would they be in same spots? No, and their schedules are comparable, if JHU's isnt better.
I am not knocking you RSSmith - this will no doubt be the tone of the Regional Rankings in a few weeks. I don't like how NJAC teams can be 4-3 and at the top of the rankings. For instance, last year, Montclair (25-15, 22-8 in-region) was ranked over keystone (34-4, 28-1 in-region) in the final regular season regional rankings. Just bc they were in the NJAC, which was NOT good last year. No different than other conferences....lost to mediocre teams all the time. Plus, keystone was 2-0 vs. the NJAC with additional wins over Cortland State (X2), and RPI. Still wasn't enough
Was the NJAC really that much better to make a 22-8 in-region record better than a 28-1 in-region record from another conference??
And if in-region records don't matter, how can you put Montclair #3 in the region with an 18-13 record in 2009 when their in-region record was their only strength (15-6)
Honestly, nut, the horsepower throughout the region is pretty thin. I actually think the two top MACC teams could fare well in either the NJAC or Centennial.
yea, i would probably agree with you.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on March 23, 2010, 06:11:05 PM
yea, i would probably agree with you.
It looks like we'll see this afternoon. Swat goes to Widener and Muhlenburg goes to Lebanon Valley.
Swat beats Widener 11-8. Hmmmmm.
Quote from: RSSmith on March 24, 2010, 08:06:28 PM
Swat beats Widener 11-8. Hmmmmm.
Lebanon Valley at Ursinus tomorrow.
Quote from: RSSmith on March 24, 2010, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: RSSmith on March 24, 2010, 08:06:28 PM
Swat beats Widener 11-8. Hmmmmm.
Lebanon Valley at Ursinus tomorrow.
Ursinus 10--Lebanon Valley 2.
Small sample, but I retract my speculation that MACC teams could compete in the CC and NJAC.
weak region this year....
While I agree that the region may be down this season, anointing the CC as a leader in the region is a bit premature. It, traditionally, cannot even compare to the NJAC...which I agree, is down this season...
The CC is lousy with the exception of JHU, and JHU has only recently emerged as the best in the region--2008 (when they won the South--not the MA).
I was comparing the CC with the MACC, and in those two inter-conference matchups, second division CC teams beat the two best teams in the MACC. In the handful of CC-NJAC games this year, Centennial has won 5 and NJAC has won 3 (2 of which were 1-run affairs for Kean and Rowan over a struggling F&M). While I certainly agree that Hopkins is the cream of the CC (I am a homer), I don't think I'd characterize the rest of the conference as lousy. I think Haverford is apt to make some noise if Pappius-Lefebvre is not injured, I am sure that F&M will kick it into gear soon--their pitchers will not continue giving up over 7 earned runs per game, and I think that if you sleep on any of those teams they can beat you.
That being said, I do think that the CC and NJAC are the two best conferences in the region, and that top-to-bottom they are very close. Just my opinion.
Quote from: cutter on March 26, 2010, 08:48:06 AM
While I agree that the region may be down this season, anointing the CC as a leader in the region is a bit premature. It, traditionally, cannot even compare to the NJAC...which I agree, is down this season...
The CC is lousy with the exception of JHU, and JHU has only recently emerged as the best in the region--2008 (when they won the South--not the MA).
I won't crown the CC better than NJAC yet, but these results this season show the conferences are very comparable. Especially considering that F&M is at the bottom of the CC, and gave Kean & Rowan ALL they could handle:
2010 games:
Ursinus 5, TCNJ 4
JHU DH sweep Rutgers Newark
Kean 9, F&M 8
Rowan 3, F&M 2
Plus, you really think in 2008 that the Mid-Atlantic Region tournament was tougher than the South Region Tournament. You might want to retake a look at the South. I thought the South was BY FAR the toughest region. 4 Top 20 Teams, and a fifth with the Pitcher of the Year that JHU faced first round.
In 2009 the West Region had 7 teams finish in the top 35 in D3 poll votes.
In 2008 2 West Region teams made it to Appleton WI for the Championship series and 5 teams in top 36
In 2010 so far 8 teams are receiving votes in the DIII Baseball Poll.
BUT the West only gets 6 teams in the playoffs most years.
St. Joes (LI not ME) 9, Kean 7 (surprise, surprise)
Quote from: RSSmith on March 26, 2010, 08:07:22 PM
St. Joes (LI not ME) 9, Kean 7 (surprise, surprise)
surprised, not absolutely shocked though....Kean has flirted with trouble and wiggled out of losses several times this season
Kean 9 F&M 8
Kean 7 Brockport 6...both in the bottom of the 9th.
Two additional 1-run victories.
They are fortunate to be 11-5.....they'll still be tops in the region though, according to the regional rankings ::)
Where have you been RSSmith?
Quote from: bulldozer on March 31, 2010, 09:35:37 PM
Where have you been RSSmith?
Spring Break!! I've been fishing and playing golf in Palm Coast, Florida, and now I'm doing a little sight seeing in Charleston, SC. We'll be heading back to Northern Virginia tomorrow in time to get rested up for the Swarthmore games.
Quote from: RSSmith on April 01, 2010, 09:16:01 AM
Quote from: bulldozer on March 31, 2010, 09:35:37 PM
Where have you been RSSmith?
Spring Break!! I've been fishing and playing golf in Palm Coast, Florida, and now I'm doing a little sight seeing in Charleston, SC. We'll be heading back to Northern Virginia tomorrow in time to get rested up for the Swarthmore games.
Awesome! I bet it was gorgeous down there. THis past week was a good one to be down south.
Halfway through the season, it's hard to rank the Mid Atlantic teams, but I'll try.
1. Hopkins 18-3, 7-0 Centennial
BA .399, ERA 3.98, averaging 12 runs per game. 11-game winning streak.
2. Kean 15-6, 3-1 NJAC
Even though they lost to Rowan, overall schedule is much tougher with quality losses to
Carthage and Wooster. Hard to rank Kean above two teams who beat them (Rowan and
DeSales), but overall body of work dictates it.
3. Rowan 12-6, 4-0 NJAC
Wins over Kean and Montclair State (2).
4. Fairleigh Dickinson-Florham 16-3, 8-1 MACF
No shame losses to Kean and Delaware Valley.
5. Catholic 12-4, 6-0 Landmark
Beat DeSales twice, split with Eastern Mennonite.
6. DeSales 11-7, 7-0 MACF
Beat Kean.
7. Haverford 14-8, 6-2 Centennial
Best win over North Park. Playing without all-conference pitcher.
8. Rutgers-Camden 11-6, 2-1 NJAC
Beat Saint Scholastica.
9. William Patterson 11-7-1, 2-1 NJAC
Beat Cortland and UMass Boston.
10. Franklin & Marshall 10-10-1, 5-3 Centennial
I don't know why. This team is underperforming and is apt to catch fire soon.
As of April 5th, I'll go:
1. Hopkins 19-3 (will a #3 starter and deep bullpen emerge?)
2. Kean 15-6 (not vintage Kean. Sneaked out of several additional losses)
3. Alvernia 17-5 (Smoked Rowan earlier this season. 3 legitimate starters. Dangerous Regional Team)
4. Rowan 12-6 (Big DH sweep of Montclair. Will offense emerge?)
5. Keystone 12-5 (Will the real Keystone please stand up?)
6. FDU Florham 16-3 (8 wins in a row. Soft Schedule?)
7. Penn St. - Behrend 13-5 (Pitching issues)
8. Haverford 14-8 (needs serious pitching help)
Do not know enough about where the other teams fit in, but JHU hits like many of the D1 teams I have seen over the last 20 years.
Hey, d3baseballnut! Thanks for getting Keystone and Alvernia back on the radar, which caused me to look at Neumann again. Neumann started the season 1-8, and because its only win was against Alvernia and because Alvernia lost to Muhlenberg, I quit watching and missed the big win over Rowan. Neumann is 7-2 in its last 9 games (losing a close double header to Keystone over the weekend), and while I doubt they're a tournament team, they're certainly not the pushover I thought they were. Keystone's been playing close games with good teams (lost to Kean, beat Cortland).
What's your take on F&M? I'm befuddled. I keep waiting for them to come roaring back from a poor start. The pitchers who showed all that potential as sophomores last year (Markel, McCreary and Duranti) don't have such great numbers right now. Markel did have a good outing against Muhlenberg on Saturday.
Quote from: RSSmith on April 06, 2010, 09:43:27 AM
Hey, d3baseballnut! Thanks for getting Keystone and Alvernia back on the radar, which caused me to look at Neumann again. Neumann started the season 1-8, and because its only win was against Alvernia and because Alvernia lost to Muhlenberg, I quit watching and missed the big win over Rowan. Neumann is 7-2 in its last 9 games (losing a close double header to Keystone over the weekend), and while I doubt they're a tournament team, they're certainly not the pushover I thought they were. Keystone's been playing close games with good teams (lost to Kean, beat Cortland).
What's your take on F&M? I'm befuddled. I keep waiting for them to come roaring back from a poor start. The pitchers who showed all that potential as sophomores last year (Markel, McCreary and Duranti) don't have such great numbers right now. Markel did have a good outing against Muhlenberg on Saturday.
RsSmith-
Hey there. I might wander up to the DH this weekened. If I do, hope to see you.
F&M. It just looks like their pitching isn't as good as in years past. And they never have ripped the cover off the ball. They play national league baseball.
They have had some close losses - 5 by 1-run, and 3 by 2-runs. But I still see them as a step below JHU. That being said, I could still see F&M winning the conference. But they shouldn't if JHU takes care of business.
If Eagleson and Harbeck pitch like they can down the stretch, I really think we could be booking tix for Wisconsin this year.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on April 06, 2010, 10:25:37 PM
Quote from: RSSmith on April 06, 2010, 09:43:27 AM
Hey, d3baseballnut! Thanks for getting Keystone and Alvernia back on the radar, which caused me to look at Neumann again. Neumann started the season 1-8, and because its only win was against Alvernia and because Alvernia lost to Muhlenberg, I quit watching and missed the big win over Rowan. Neumann is 7-2 in its last 9 games (losing a close double header to Keystone over the weekend), and while I doubt they're a tournament team, they're certainly not the pushover I thought they were. Keystone's been playing close games with good teams (lost to Kean, beat Cortland).
What's your take on F&M? I'm befuddled. I keep waiting for them to come roaring back from a poor start. The pitchers who showed all that potential as sophomores last year (Markel, McCreary and Duranti) don't have such great numbers right now. Markel did have a good outing against Muhlenberg on Saturday.
RsSmith-
Hey there. I might wander up to the DH this weekened. If I do, hope to see you.
F&M. It just looks like their pitching isn't as good as in years past. And they never have ripped the cover off the ball. They play national league baseball.
They have had some close losses - 5 by 1-run, and 3 by 2-runs. But I still see them as a step below JHU. That being said, I could still see F&M winning the conference. But they shouldn't if JHU takes care of business.
If Eagleson and Harbeck pitch like they can down the stretch, I really think we could be booking tix for Wisconsin this year.
Good deal--I hope to catch up with you. The only real difference I see in the F&M pitching staff is McCreary. Last year he had a 1.49 ERA in 16 appearances (36.1 IP) with 29 strikeouts and only 5 walks. So far this year, he has a 4.02 ERA in 11 appearances (15.2 IP) with only 5 strikeouts and 7 walks. He had some good innings yesterday against Gettysburg, but I wonder if he's not 100% or maybe having some mechanical problems.
Alvernia won the Freedom Side of the MAC last year and it was very competitive. This year they switched over with their competiton being Etown. I would pick them to go to the regional championship game especially with the experience they have back from last year. A lot of the NJAC and MAC teams are starting to play each other more which is making the competiton more exciting to watch and follow.
Quote from: Heat23 on April 07, 2010, 11:44:01 PM
Alvernia won the Freedom Side of the MAC last year and it was very competitive. This year they switched over with their competiton being Etown. I would pick them to go to the regional championship game especially with the experience they have back from last year. A lot of the NJAC and MAC teams are starting to play each other more which is making the competiton more exciting to watch and follow.
True, and from the looks of things, the MAC is holding their own with the NJAC, along with everyone else in the region.
I dont think the NJAC is deserves to get multiple team in "just because" this year. I would be very willing to place a second MAC team in before a second NJAC, especially considering how Alvernia pasted Rowan earlier this year. Unfortunately, we have seen the panel place NJAC teams in the tournament with close to 20 losses....
With that incredible consideration for the NJAC, how could the NJAC not get multiple teams? I dont think the conference is strong enough to warrant such selections this year (or any other year)
Definitely a down year for NJAC. Committee members take a few years to catch on. Only 1 bid for NJAC is not likely this year.
With another week to ponder, here's how it looks to me:
1. Hopkins 25-3, 12-0 Centennial
BA .397, ERA 3.95, averaging 12 runs per game. 18-game winning streak.
2. Rowan 15-6, 7-0 NJAC
Wins over TCNJ and William Paterson last week.
3. Keystone 17-5, 10-2 CSAC
10-game winning streak including Cortland.
4. FDU-Florham 20-4, 10-2 MACF
No shame losses to Kean and Delaware Valley, 11-game winning streak snapped by Misericordia.
5. Alvernia 20-6, 8-4 MACC
9-game winning streak.
6. Haverford 18-9, 9-3 Centennial
Best win over North Park. Playing without all-conference pitcher. Won 7 of last 8.
7. Kean 16-9, 3-4 NJAC
Raises eyebrows losing 2 to Rutgers-Newark with Kean's #1 and #2 pitchers throwing.
8. Frostburg State 18-8, 6-2 AMCC
Won 10 of their last 13.
9. Elizabethtown 16-8, 9-3 MACC
Won 2 of 3 from Lebanon Valley.
10. Montclair State 13-7, 5-2 NJAC
No cheap losses.
Hello again
So anyone have any insight into the MAC Conference for 2011- looking for good things from DeSales this season. Good Luck to everyone!
Anyone know when the preview fro mid atlantic will be posted out here?
Quote from: lordcharles on February 09, 2011, 10:03:42 PM
Hello again
So anyone have any insight into the MAC Conference for 2011- looking for good things from DeSales this season. Good Luck to everyone!
Anyone know when the preview fro mid atlantic will be posted out here?
I think that the snow storms have delayed the flight of the carrier pigeons out of that region to D3baseball.com central. ;)
Great Job on the Mid-Atlantic preview. 19 transfers for Keystone! Seems like alot, especially for D3.
Quote from: Hammer Ball on February 22, 2011, 12:47:58 PM
Great Job on the Mid-Atlantic preview. 19 transfers for Keystone! Seems like alot, especially for D3.
Thanks!
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/jhop/sports/m-basebl/auto_pdf/2011abcaall-regionteam.pdf
Great start to conference weekend in the Mid-Atlantic region with Ramapo v Rowan and Haverford v JHU - too bad they are on the same day.
Team Win% SOS Win%+SOS
Kean 0.947 0.577 1.524
Ramapo 0.882 0.574 1.456
JHU 0.867 0.567 1.434
Haverford 0.833 0.543 1.376
Misericordia 0.792 0.537 1.329
DeSales 0.778 0.539 1.317
Keystone 0.773 0.535 1.308
Alvernia 0.714 0.558 1.272
Wil Pat 0.700 0.543 1.243
Gwyn-Mer 0.667 0.525 1.192
Neumann 0.562 0.586 1.148
Swarthmore 0.667 0.48 1.147
Arcadia 0.658 0.481 1.139
NJCU 0.632 0.502 1.134
Mont St 0.500 0.603 1.103
McDaniel 0.571 0.531 1.102
TCNJ 0.550 0.545 1.095
Rut-Cam 0.565 0.528 1.093
F & M 0.556 0.511 1.067
Rowan 0.462 0.596 1.058
I likely missed schools so let me know. I know the coaches voting consider more then just these numbers (e.g. teams they have seen, quality wins, poor loses, out of region performance, teams in their conference, friends etc..) but these are just raw numbers to start the analysis.
Here is the link to the FAQ on criteria for the Regional Rankings.
http://www.d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament#pool
The FAQ was updated in 2010. The 2013 Handbook has not been released yet, but thisis close enough for general discussion purposes.
Off line, I was contacted for my thoughts on who was next on the list below Neumann.
As I review the previous teams in the Regional Ranking, Willy Pat and De Sales. let's look at what they have done compared to Neumann.
Neumann went 3-9 versus Regionally Ranked teams: Kean - L; Alvernia W & L; St John Fisher W & L; Keystone 5 losses; Ramapo W; Rowan L. Neumann's SOS is #60 (0.545) in D-3 and had an in-region record of 24-13.
William Paterson went 5-5 versus Regionally Ranked teams: Endicott W; Ramapo W,W,W, L; Kean L, L; Rowan W, L, L. WPU's SOS is #44 (0.552) and had a in-region record of 26-13.
DeSales went 2-4 versus Regionally Ranked teams: Misericordia 2 wins and 3 losses; Kean L. DeSales also lost to West regionally ranked TLU and Trinity which are secondary criteria. DeSales' SOS is #157 (0.518) with an in-region record of 28-9.
You can almost make the case that WPU is the next team to come onto the table.
My advice to DeSales would be to play a tougher schedule, including more NJAC schools.