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Title: BB: Candidates for All-American Teams
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 04, 2008, 10:38:39 AM
With the D-III stats now available on the web (see the NCAA Stats tab under News on the left rail at d3baseball.com),  I am starting to think who is not just having a great start but with (in some cases) 30 games in, who is having a great season.

I listed the six players I saw the most often going through the stats in the latest D3says poll but almost half think I am missing someone.

Who do you think is putting together an All-American season?
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: infielddad on April 04, 2008, 11:31:59 AM
Jim,
I'd sure have to say these two from Trinity, Tx fit any definition or description that might be used after 30 games:

Player               

Evan Jones..........  .452  31-30   124  41  56  19   3   6  57   99  .798  14   6  13   2  .528   0   0   3-4    240  14   2  .992

Pitcher               
Evan Bronson........  1.95   5-2    11   6   2   1/1    3  50.2  42  13  11  10  62   6   0   2  178  .236    6   3   0    0   2
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: A.G. on April 04, 2008, 01:07:29 PM
Ronnie LaBrie of Lynchburg is putting together a great season:
.434 BA; .522 OBP; .770 SLG; 14 2B; 3 3B; 6 HR (3 of those in a HUGE home ball park); 42 R; 33 RBI; 22-24 SB.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 04, 2008, 05:00:54 PM
I have not really looked at pitchers as much yet.  The lack of any player who stood out from Trinity (Conn) must mean that they have to have some good pitching.

I also noticed that it is not inconceivable that they could run the table.  Eastern Conn and Amherst are about the best competition they have left.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: EnFuego on April 04, 2008, 05:47:17 PM
Last years South Regional MVP and World Series All tournament team member Frank Pfister, and Pre Season All-American and last years Gold Glove winner Joe Roth both are having exceptional seasons.  Their stats are listed below:
                             avg                                   2b      hr  rbi                     
5 Roth, Joe........  .422  27-27   102  25  43   9   0   2  33   58  .569  26   3  11   0  .529   5   0   7-11    47  81   3  .977 (Fld %)
                              avg                                   2b       hr  rbi
2 Pfister, Frank...  .403  27-27   119  29  48  13   0   6  42   79  .664  10   2   6   1  .444   4   0   7-8     24  82   7  .938 (fld %)
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: EnFuego on April 04, 2008, 05:51:10 PM
Sorry, the format of the statistics didn't come out very well:


                                                   avg  2b  hr  rbi    fld %
(Second  Base) Joe Roth           .422  9   2   33   .977

(3rd Base) Frank Pfister            .403 13  6   42   .938
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Old Man on April 04, 2008, 09:33:09 PM
Jim

"I have not really looked at pitchers as much yet.  The lack of any player who stood out from Trinity (Conn) must mean that they have to have some good pitching.

I also noticed that it is not inconceivable that they could run the table.  Eastern Conn and Amherst are about the best competition they have left."

+++++ I agree.... with the ???? schedule that Trinity has played so far and what they have left they could end the season at 40-0.  ( has this ever been done before?)  that would be an incredible season.  Can they get 40 in with the weather in the NE?  Will be an interesting next 3 weeks.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: NCWC on April 04, 2008, 09:56:33 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 04, 2008, 01:07:29 PM
Ronnie LaBrie of Lynchburg is putting together a great season:
.434 BA; .522 OBP; .770 SLG; 14 2B; 3 3B; 6 HR (in a HUGE home ball park); 42 R; 33 RBI; 22-24 SB.

I was thinking all 6 of those HR's came at Lynchburg, if they were he would have my vote.  I saw three came on the road.  Regardless, 6 home runs at this point in the season is alot and probably will gain some respect for Lynchburg program across the nation.  That field plays bigger than its dimensions.


Anybody heard anymore on Kivett from Methodist?
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 04, 2008, 10:37:11 PM
KIVETT, Seth........  .368  avg, 32 runs, 5 2Bs, 10 HR, 32 RBI, .667 SLG, .493 OBP

JSG
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 05, 2008, 12:03:32 AM
Man, I'm brutal lately. I'm going to start doing everything in word from now on and pasting it when I'm finished. I just accidentally clicked off of this page and erased a list of about 20 names in the West region worth of a mention (including all of the statistical evidence as rationale).

Anyway, I won't get back to all of it tonight, but here's some names and I'll try and come through with some stats later and edit the post - we'll call it a work in progress:

(Note: This first group of hitters/pitchers/utility should cover all of the teams and all of the players that are truly all-american candidates. The next group of 'other notables' features some players that could end the year on the first list, and are currently putting up very solid numbers. They'll tend to be from contending teams and teams I'm more familiar with -- you'll see an abundance of ASC players -- granted part of that is that it's like two full conferences it's so big.)

Hitters:
Drew Hedman (Pomona Pitzer) - my pick for nat'l POTY if it was today
Mike Vass (Chapman)
Michael Olsen (Puget Sound)
Anthony Cappelletti (Whitter)
Evan Jones (Trinity)
Matt Hendryx (Pacific)
Scott Marcus (La Verne)
LaMonte Toney (CalStEB)
Tom Fogerty (UDallas)
Cory Briggs (Ozarks)
Kendall Fox (UT Tyler)
Derek David (McMurry)
Adam Froeschl (UMHB)
Joesph Villegas (UMHB)
Clay Baker (UT Tyler)
Tom Williams (Concordia)

Pitchers:/
Wayde Kitchens (Chapman) - IF he logs enough innings to warrant it at the end of the year. He definitely deserves a mention though.
Evan Bronson (Trinity)
Brian Clark (Linfield)
David Colvin (Pomona Pitzer)
Blake Booher (UT Tyler)
Brett Holland (UT Tyler)
Kyle Barton (Hardin Simmons)
Cody Curry (McMurry)
Mark Cox (UT Dallas)
Curt Dixon (Ozarks)

Utility:
Kurt Yacko (Chapman)
Bruce Cameron (Ozarks)

----------------------------------------

Other Notables:
Hitters:
Ryan Fobert (George Fox)
Zach Gantenbein (Pacific)
Brian Schumaker (Redlands)
Matt Goldstein (Redlands)
Javier Arrieta (Sul Ross)
Stephen Yurchick (McMurry)
Taylor Zambreski (Howard Payne)
Paige Hodges (Mississippi College)
Wayne Pimpton (Hardin Simmons)
David Roux (La College)
Marcus Volz (UMHB)
Andrew White (UMHB)
Brent Vorhees (McMurry)
Robby Finnell (Ozarks)
John Glenn (Ozarks)
Jared Smith (UT Dallas)
Chris Biguenet (UT Dallas)
Kyle Harvey (Texas Lutheran)
Nick Cmerek (Concordia)

Pitchers:
Reese McCulley (Linfield)
Garrett Dorn (Linfield)
Nolan Nicholson (Redlands)
Grant Wheatley (La Verne)
Brian Oates (Trinity)
Josh Alcorn (Hardin Simmons)
RB Garza (UMHB)
Jonathan Russell (Mississippi College)
Todd Koch (Ozarks)
Beau Zeigler (UT Tyler)
Robert Conley (Texas Lutheran)

Again, hopefully I can get some accompanying stats soon, but it's been a busy season at work lately, and I still would like to get a solid update to JSG's West Region rankings.

JSG

Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2008, 12:50:29 AM
Quote from: NCWC on April 04, 2008, 09:56:33 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 04, 2008, 01:07:29 PM
Ronnie LaBrie of Lynchburg is putting together a great season:
.434 BA; .522 OBP; .770 SLG; 14 2B; 3 3B; 6 HR (in a HUGE home ball park); 42 R; 33 RBI; 22-24 SB.

I was thinking all 6 of those HR's came at Lynchburg, if they were he would have my vote.  I saw three came on the road.  Regardless, 6 home runs at this point in the season is alot and probably will gain some respect for Lynchburg program across the nation.  That field plays bigger than its dimensions.


Anybody heard anymore on Kivett from Methodist?
I can understand the home runs being low in a small park.  I guess the key to his power is the 14 2B and 3 3B.  Also the 22-24 on SB is good.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 05, 2008, 10:02:49 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 05, 2008, 12:03:32 AM

Hitters:
Drew Hedman (Pomona Pitzer) - my pick for nat'l POTY if it was today

JSG


I wondered how I did not see Drew Hedmen's name my initial look at the stats.  It was clear when they listed Hedman with 13 games played.  Apparently the stats listed as current at 30 March is only as good as the reporting.  Thus Hedman is shown with 5 HR not the 8 he has hit sine early March.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: A.G. on April 10, 2008, 10:10:34 AM
Two seniors from Lynchburg College are having outstanding seasons...
Ronnie LaBrie and Jon Crews of LC are 1-2 in the latest STATSTUD rankings.  This is a pretty cool website which tracks all the players in all level of college ball.
http://www.statstud.com/index.php

Unfortunately for LaBrie...Trae Bailey of CNU is batting .486 and is also a SS...so LaBrie may not even make 1st team all region in the South.

Soph 3B/OF Jeff Taylor is also batting .435 with 34 RBI and 19 SB for LC...but also plays in the same region with Kivett at Methodist, who has 10 HR but less RBI's for the Monarchs.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: mideastfan2 on April 10, 2008, 05:56:59 PM
^^^^ if both SS are that solid, they'll find a way to have them both on the first team.  I've seen all-regional teams before with 3 thirdbasemen, and I've seen some with 2 catchers, and so on. 

I don't think there is any criteria which states a polayer from each position must be on the team.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2008, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: mideastfan2 on April 10, 2008, 05:56:59 PM
^^^^ if both SS are that solid, they'll find a way to have them both on the first team.  I've seen all-regional teams before with 3 third basemen, and I've seen some with 2 catchers, and so on. 

I don't think there is any criteria which states a player from each position must be on the team.
The attempt by Pat Coleman on the D3football/hoops/baseball.com web sites is to have a functional team.

Three 3B's is not functional.  Middle infielders may be interchangeable.  A known C-3B or a 1B-P may have some flexibility.  He even considers a Utility player who has demonstrated that ability such as Chapman's Kurt Yacko.

Pat tries to make the All-Star Teams look like a real team.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: mideastfan2 on April 10, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
sorry Ralph......I'm still used to the ABCA all-region teams, which eventually qualify those first team players or the All-American teams.

THOSE are the all-regional and all-american teams that I was referring to.  This new d3baseball.com thing is like I said, still new and taking awhile to get used to.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2008, 06:57:24 PM
Quote from: mideastfan2 on April 10, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
sorry Ralph......I'm still used to the ABCA all-region teams, which eventually qualify those first team players or the All-American teams.

THOSE are the all-regional and all-american teams that I was referring to.  This new d3baseball.com thing is like I said, still new and taking awhile to get used to.
:)

Pat Coleman tries to do things right.

The All-American team last year only had 12 players (http://www.d3baseball.com/all-american/postseason2007.pdf) on each team!
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: The U For Life on April 10, 2008, 07:52:26 PM
Derek David  3rd baseman        439ba,  62 runs, 61 hits, 9 doubles, 19 hr, 56 rbis, 914 slugging %, 509 OB %

Steven Yurchick  2nd basemen  430ba, 42 runs, 55 hits, 11 doubles, 3 triples, 6 hr, 26 rbis, 703 slugging %, 490 OB %, and only 7 strikeouts in 128 at bats.  He's done all of this while batting leadoff all year.  Pretty impressive. 

Brent Voorhees 1b     379ba, 37 runs, 53 hits, 13 doubles, 10 hr, 49 rbis, 686 slugging %, 454 OB %

Cody Curry P  2.68 era, 7-0, 4 CG, 50.1 innings, 57 SOs,
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: SCHMEGMA on April 11, 2008, 09:53:37 AM
Hello,

Nobody on this posting has mentioned an Salisbury players.
Pitcher Ryan Bennick is 8-0 his era is 2.01, he has 2-9 inning shutouts, has given up only 5 walks( 1 intentional) in 53.2 innings pitched.
(2.01   8-0     9   9   2   2/0    0  53.2  54  12  12   5  46   9   1   2)
Second Baseman Randy Boyle has reached base in all 31 games this season, set the school record for consecutive games with a base hit( 26 ), he has a .987 fielding % in 108 attempts.
.370  31-31   127  47  47  12   1   0  25   61  .480  14   4  11   2  .442   2   1   9-9     47 108   2  .987
Third Baseman Justin Armiger has 9 HR's, 11 DBL's & 50 RBI's already this season with a slugging % of .723.
.366  31-31   112  43  41  11   1   9  50   81  .723  19   8  17   1  .476   4   0   7-8     17  60   4  .951
That is just 3 members of an outstanding team that play in the Mid-Atlantic.

Oh, by the way the TEAM has won 30 consecutive games as they head into action this weekend.

The SCHMEG
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: rjburke on April 12, 2008, 08:47:06 AM
When will the d3baseball all american teams be announced? Will post season performance be considered?
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 13, 2008, 02:33:06 AM
Quote from: rjburke on April 12, 2008, 08:47:06 AM
When will the d3baseball all american teams be announced? Will post season performance be considered?

The list will be announced the Wednesday before the finals.  Conference tournament stats will be considered but it is unlikely that the playoff stats will be included.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 13, 2008, 02:38:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2008, 06:08:13 PM

Pat tries to make the All-Star Teams look like a real team.


...and Jim also.  This is something I absolutely agree with.  A team should not be filled with extra first basemen and no shortstop.  This year we will be adding relief pitcher spot since it is also unfair to compare a starter with relievers. 

The championship round all tournament team is chosen with no regard to position but then again d3baseball.com does not make the rules there.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: doctor K on April 13, 2008, 12:55:52 PM
What criteria do you guys use when selecting your teams?  Do position players have to have a certain batting AVG, # of at bats, RBI's, hits, runs ......

What about pitchers?  Certain amount of innings, ERA, So, K's, W-L ........

What about  a reliever? If he is a utility player also, what type of consideration is taken into play?   Do you look at his pitching stats only or do you also look at his performance as his position?
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: TexasBB on April 14, 2008, 10:12:57 PM
I posted this today on the Best Pitcher thread but thought it should also go here. I am hoping to raise interst in a seperate catagory of All American for releif pitcher or a seperate award for "fireman of the year".

   

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Last year I tried to make the argument that "relief pitcher" should be added as a separate category for "All American".  They are very valuable to teams and many relief pitchers are just as important as a starter is with regard to a team's success. The issue was too late for last year but might be worth raising again.  Some posters were against the idea but I think Jim has an open mind about it.
 

therharvest


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You've got my vote TexasBB


Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: TexasBB on April 14, 2008, 10:15:11 PM
Sorry Jim I see you already have already added the catagory of relief pitcher. I didn't read all of the prior posts.

Thanks
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 15, 2008, 11:55:10 AM
Quote from: doctor K on April 13, 2008, 12:55:52 PM
What criteria do you guys use when selecting your teams?  Do position players have to have a certain batting AVG, # of at bats, RBI's, hits, runs ......

What about pitchers?  Certain amount of innings, ERA, So, K's, W-L ........

What about  a reliever? If he is a utility player also, what type of consideration is taken into play?   Do you look at his pitching stats only or do you also look at his performance as his position?


The answer is not easy since we use a ballot process so each individual makes their own decision.

In some cases big numbers help.  since the number of games played are variable, big numbers per game help.  There are really no minimums for any position.  I would expect that a player with great stats with a part time role would be discounted a bit. 

Since we have a DH and relief pitching position, the utility player must have good pitching and hitting stats.  If you bat .200 and went 8-0 in your starts, you would likely be compared with other pitchers, not utility players.

Defense is probably the skill that gets less attention.  Certainly a defensive position (C, 2B, SS, CF) would attract more3 voters with fewer errors.

There is not much more I can add.  I'll keep this as a clearing the bases topic once the all-american team is released.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: rjburke on April 15, 2008, 09:20:50 PM
Errors are not the definitive factor when determining a great defensive player. Players with great range, who get to more balls nd more difficult fielding chances, might have a few more errors than someone withless range and someone who takes an occassional risk to make the great play may have a few more errors than someone who makes the conservative, safe pla. But was Roberto Clemente a poor fielder because he had 140 errors?
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: infielddad on April 15, 2008, 11:00:00 PM
rj, those are very good points.
In my view, at the DIII level, the quality of fields is even more important.
They can vary from being terrific(Southwestern, McMurry, Millsaps, Emory to name some) to  being like a sponge, to filled with gopher holes, to having huge lips,  to being  rock filled with brown grass... and some combinations.(Won't bother to name them)
We have attended games at Stanford's Sunken Diamond and other Pac10 and WCC scholls  for upwards of 10  years.  I can probably count the number of bad hops on less than 10 fingers.  The fields are amazing.
Many DIII fields are not so fine.  The measure of the DIII player, in many situations, isn't the number of errors, but his range and the quality of play on fields which are true and well maintaned.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: REDMENFAN on April 17, 2008, 09:33:27 AM
Carthage 1st Baseman Jason Acevado might be the hottest hitter in all of D-3. He will certainly deserve some All American mention come seasons end.


Player                        AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO GDP   OB%

28 Acevado, Jason...  .500  24-24    98  35  49  12   5  10  45  101 1.031  10   2   8   0  .545
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: BigPoppa on April 18, 2008, 10:38:00 AM
Quote from: REDMENFAN on April 17, 2008, 09:33:27 AM
Carthage 1st Baseman Jason Acevado might be the hottest hitter in all of D-3. He will certainly deserve some All American mention come seasons end.


Player                        AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO GDP   OB%

28 Acevado, Jason...  .500  24-24    98  35  49  12   5  10  45  101 1.031  10   2   8   0  .545


Those actually look closer to National Player of the Year numbers.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 18, 2008, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 18, 2008, 10:38:00 AM
Quote from: REDMENFAN on April 17, 2008, 09:33:27 AM
Carthage 1st Baseman Jason Acevado might be the hottest hitter in all of D-3. He will certainly deserve some All American mention come seasons end.


Player                        AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO GDP   OB%

28 Acevado, Jason...  .500  24-24    98  35  49  12   5  10  45  101 1.031  10   2   8   0  .545


Those actually look closer to National Player of the Year numbers.

I am thinking it is very difficult to be player of the year and not be an all-american.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: mideastfan2 on April 18, 2008, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: REDMENFAN on April 17, 2008, 09:33:27 AM
Carthage 1st Baseman Jason Acevado might be the hottest hitter in all of D-3. He will certainly deserve some All American mention come seasons end.


Player                        AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO GDP   OB%

28 Acevado, Jason...  .500  24-24    98  35  49  12   5  10  45  101 1.031  10   2   8   0  .545


GREAT numbers!!  being a Marietta guy, I'll say those numbers look pretty close to Jay Coakley's from his 2000 and 2001 seasons.

Acevado is having a career year that he (and his team and school) should be very very proud of.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 20, 2008, 01:22:37 AM
Just to keep another name out here (though I doubt you'd totally forget a 1st team AA!): Ricky Angel has had a good year (though quite modest by AA standards).  He seems to be making a late-season rush to maintain his status.  Against Wheaton (IL) he had a (3 game) cumulative line of 10 4 7 13.  If 10 seems low for ABs in 3 games, bear in mind that he had 3 BBs and 2 HBPs.  I hope that voters keep in mind that returning AAs don't see many decent pitches! :D

He seems to be definitely a clutch hitter: with bases empty (rare for the Titans! ;D) he is hitting .286.  With runners on, he is hitting .417; if in scoring position, it is .440.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 01:36:09 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 20, 2008, 01:22:37 AM
Just to keep another name out here (though I doubt you'd totally forget a 1st team AA!): Ricky Angel has had a good year (though quite modest by AA standards).  He seems to be making a late-season rush to maintain his status.  Against Wheaton (IL) he had a (3 game) cumulative line of 10 4 7 13.  If 10 seems low for ABs in 3 games, bear in mind that he had 3 BBs and 2 HBPs.  I hope that voters keep in mind that returning AAs don't see many decent pitches! :D

He seems to be definitely a clutch hitter: with bases empty (rare for the Titans! ;D) he is hitting .286.  With runners on, he is hitting .417; if in scoring position, it is .420.


I think that at this level, the quality of pitching predicts the batting average versus a "clutch" reputation that we might expect in considering major league players and their situational batting averages.

Great pitchers in D-III have very low batting averages against.  Mediocre pitchers may actually have batting averages against at roughly .400 across the division.  :)
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: A.G. on April 20, 2008, 11:40:37 AM
Joe Devlin of Lynchburg just continues to get it done on the mound.  Since being moved from closer (with 3 saves), Devlin has accumulated a 7-0 record with a 0.74 ERA, including a one ER outing vs VWC in a 9 inning ND last week, and a 3-0 3-hitter in a 7 inning shutout vs Bridgewater yesterday.

I am not sure how to format the stats...so here are the main numbers:
7-0 record; 0.74 ERA; 48.33 IP;  30 K; 11 BB; .190 BA%; 33 H; 0.95 ratio.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: fouriscosmic on April 20, 2008, 08:31:41 PM
Hopkins has some good looking candidates for All-American.  While Pietroforte was included, and Fester is out for the season dispite having All-American numbers in the games that he did play, Brian Youchak needs to get some recognition.

.530 BA (100 AB) .860 Slugging 13 2B  1 3B  6 HR  41 RBI (2 hitter) 14-14 SB-ATT
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Billy 40 on April 21, 2008, 10:00:45 AM
Player                 AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO
Gomez, Richard.  .485  20-20    66  16  32   4   3   6  23   60  .909    12   2      5

Pre-Season All American 2nd team at 3B. He went 10-13 this weekend to bump his average up to .532, added an HR, and a few more RBI's.

It's a shame the team he plays on is so poorly coached and is one of the worst teams in the country this year (CCNY, Cunyan conference, probabyl teh worst conference as well). 16-11 last year, they are now 3-22, led the nation in batting average and a coupel of other categorires, they are now in the bottom 50 nationally.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 21, 2008, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 01:36:09 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 20, 2008, 01:22:37 AM
Just to keep another name out here (though I doubt you'd totally forget a 1st team AA!): Ricky Angel has had a good year (though quite modest by AA standards).  He seems to be making a late-season rush to maintain his status.  Against Wheaton (IL) he had a (3 game) cumulative line of 10 4 7 13.  If 10 seems low for ABs in 3 games, bear in mind that he had 3 BBs and 2 HBPs.  I hope that voters keep in mind that returning AAs don't see many decent pitches! :D

He seems to be definitely a clutch hitter: with bases empty (rare for the Titans! ;D) he is hitting .286.  With runners on, he is hitting .417; if in scoring position, it is .420.


I think that at this level, the quality of pitching predicts the batting average versus a "clutch" reputation that we might expect in considering major league players and their situational batting averages.

Great pitchers in D-III have very low batting averages against.  Mediocre pitchers may actually have batting averages against at roughly .400 across the division.  :)

Only now saw your response.  Surely the oba figure of .400 is an exaggeration - IWU has only two pitchers at or above that mark (and they have combined to pitch 3 of the Titan's 228 innings!).  Even after I take a swig of the green kool-aid, I don't think ALL our guys are great! ;D

But I understand your point: Ricky (or anyone) is more likely to face a situation with runners on base against mediocre pitching than against great pitching.  I haven't broken down his season ab by ab and pitcher by pitcher (and have no intention of doing so - there are limits even to my fanaticism! ;)) to see how accurate this logic is, but it makes sense.  (BTW, IWU has now corrected one item on the cumulative box score - Ricky's ba with runners in scoring position is now .440, not .420!)
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: cubs on April 22, 2008, 10:15:39 PM
What are some of the top numbers that Relief Pitchers around the country are putting up?  The only reason I ask is that In the Midwest Region, UW Oshkosh has a guy that is worth mentioning, but I'm not sure his numbers are "All American" type.

Jeremy Rubens is 7-1 with 5 saves and a 2.25 ERA.  He has appeared in 14 of UWO's 25 games (making 2 starts, both of which were CG.)  He has also walked just 7 batters in 48.0 IP. 

Anyone care to throw out some other top reliever's?
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2008, 10:19:50 PM
Kurt Yacko from Chapman...

Player      ERA  W-L  APP GS CG SHO/CBO SV IP H R ER BB SO 2B 3B HR AB B/Avg WP HBP BK SFA SHA

Kurt Yacko..0.66  4-0  18   0   0   0/2     11 41.0 20  4  3 12 56  5  2  1 141 .142   3  1    1    1   0

Chapman Season Stats (http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/07-08/baseball/teamstat.htm)
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: cubs on April 22, 2008, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2008, 10:19:50 PM
Kurt Yacko from Chapman...

Player      ERA  W-L  APP GS CG SHO/CBO SV IP H R ER BB SO 2B 3B HR AB B/Avg WP HBP BK SFA SHA

Kurt Yacko..0.66  4-0  18   0   0   0/2     11 41.0 20  4  3 12 56  5  2  1 141 .142   3  1    1    1   0

Chapman Season Stats (http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/07-08/baseball/teamstat.htm)
WOW!!!!  Very impressive!!  I have a hard time seeing anyone coming close to those type of numbers.....
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: rjburke on April 22, 2008, 11:36:48 PM
Yacko is an excellent relief pitcher, a real closer. Real good fastball and a SICK slider.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on April 23, 2008, 12:00:28 AM
Yacko stats are outstanding but his teammate Wayde Kitchens is even better. Wayde missed about 5 starts at the beginning of the season due injuries but since coming back he has done very well himself. Last year Wayde was 12-2

2008 Stats
Player                   ERA     W-L   APP  SV    IP    H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B 3B HR  AB B/Avg   WP HBP 
Wayde Kitchens... 0.44   5-0     7      0    40.2  16  5   2   20  35    3   0   0  131   .122    1   2   
Kurt Yacko..........  0.66   4-0    18    1     41.0  20  4   3   12  56    5   2   1  141   .142    3   1   



Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: gatekeper43 on April 24, 2008, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on April 23, 2008, 12:00:28 AM
Yacko stats are outstanding but his teammate Wayde Kitchens is even better. Wayde missed about 5 starts at the beginning of the season due injuries but since coming back he has done very well himself. Last year Wayde was 12-2

2008 Stats
Player                   ERA     W-L   APP  SV    IP    H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B 3B HR  AB B/Avg   WP HBP 
Wayde Kitchens... 0.44   5-0     7      0    40.2  16  5   2   20  35    3   0   0  131   .122    1   2   
Kurt Yacko..........  0.66   4-0    18    1     41.0  20  4   3   12  56    5   2   1  141   .142    3   1   


Rank Name, Team Cl Pos App IP R ER ERA
1 Wayde Kitchens, Chapman Jr. P 7 40.7 5 2 0.44
2 Kurt Yacko, Chapman Jr. INF 18 41.0 4 3 0.66
3 Joe Devlin, Lynchburg Jr. P 15 49.3 8 4 0.73
4 Mike Regan, Trinity (Conn.) Sr. P 7 42.0 5 4 0.86
5 Aaron Sauegling, Wartburg Sr. P 6 29.3 5 3 0.92



NCAA® Baseball
Division III
Hits Allowed Per Nine Innings
Through Games 04/20/2008
   

Minimum 25 Innings Pitched

Rank Name, Team Cl Pos App IP HA PG
1 Wayde Kitchens, Chapman Jr. P 7 40.7 16 3.54
2 Tyler Connelly, Endicott So. P 7 32.0 14 3.94
3 Anthony Evanko, John Carroll Fr. P 7 39.3 19 4.35
4 Kurt Yacko, Chapman Jr. INF 18 41.0 20 4.39



check these stats out!!!! not bad
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: chakote on April 25, 2008, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: gatekeper43 on April 24, 2008, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on April 23, 2008, 12:00:28 AM
Yacko stats are outstanding but his teammate Wayde Kitchens is even better. Wayde missed about 5 starts at the beginning of the season due injuries but since coming back he has done very well himself. Last year Wayde was 12-2

2008 Stats
Player                   ERA     W-L   APP  SV    IP    H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B 3B HR  AB B/Avg   WP HBP 
Wayde Kitchens... 0.44   5-0     7      0    40.2  16  5   2   20  35    3   0   0  131   .122    1   2   
Kurt Yacko..........  0.66   4-0    18    1     41.0  20  4   3   12  56    5   2   1  141   .142    3   1   


Rank Name, Team Cl Pos App IP R ER ERA
1 Wayde Kitchens, Chapman Jr. P 7 40.7 5 2 0.44
2 Kurt Yacko, Chapman Jr. INF 18 41.0 4 3 0.66
3 Joe Devlin, Lynchburg Jr. P 15 49.3 8 4 0.73
4 Mike Regan, Trinity (Conn.) Sr. P 7 42.0 5 4 0.86
5 Aaron Sauegling, Wartburg Sr. P 6 29.3 5 3 0.92



NCAA® Baseball
Division III
Hits Allowed Per Nine Innings
Through Games 04/20/2008
   

Minimum 25 Innings Pitched

Rank Name, Team Cl Pos App IP HA PG
1 Wayde Kitchens, Chapman Jr. P 7 40.7 16 3.54
2 Tyler Connelly, Endicott So. P 7 32.0 14 3.94
3 Anthony Evanko, John Carroll Fr. P 7 39.3 19 4.35
4 Kurt Yacko, Chapman Jr. INF 18 41.0 20 4.39



check these stats out!!!! not bad

gatekeper, I guess this shows the reason why Chapman is ranked #1. But I think that playing on the road for there last two weekends and having to travel for the regionals will give them the advantage at the regionals. If they had there last two series at home and then had to travel to Abelene I think that they would be at a disadvantage.
      No matter which way you look at it the Panthers are solid up and down there line up and when they need to make subsitutions they really don't lose anything defensively or offensively.                 
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2008, 01:28:40 PM
Chapman came to Abilene last February (2007) for a three game series.

They have played at Driggers Field, as have George Fox, Trinity TX, UT-Tyler (and the other ASC teams) and Southwestern (TX).
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: anotherharvest on April 25, 2008, 08:19:39 PM
Chris Deanes the closer for Virginia Wesleyan has 40K's in only 26 innings.  His stats would be even more off the charts if not for some late season blowouts either applied or suffered by VWC.
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: bbfan08 on April 27, 2008, 06:06:02 PM
Pitcher for Susquehanna

                                ERA    W-L      IP     K's   Avg.

11 John Lunardi.....  1.97   6-3     64.0   62   .246

Catcher for Susquehanna

                              AVG  GP-GS    AB   R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI   SLG%   SO   OB%

17 Chris Price......  .474  37-37   137  41  65  13   2    9    42    .796      9     .529
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: A.G. on April 27, 2008, 08:24:07 PM
On all-region and all-americans...
...how much is DEFENSE (fielding percentage) counted in the selection process.  It sure seems much of the selection (looking at last year's teams) were heavy into offense (and rightfully so)...but all things being close...is defense the deciding factor, especially in the infield?
Title: D3baseball.com All-American team
Post by: NYBB on May 20, 2008, 03:40:05 PM
Am i the only one amazed by the fact that this guy threw 79 Innings this year and only walked one  batter?  Add that with his 87 K's and only 65 hits...that's absolutely ridiculous.

I mean, Trinity's other starters, Jeremiah Bayer only walked 14 in 65 1/3 and Michael Regan put on 10 in 56 IP, but seriously :

79 IP, 1 BB.

If this kid doesn't get drafted, please tell me why.
Title: Re: Tim Kiely on Trinity : 79 IP, 1 BB
Post by: dukes on May 20, 2008, 05:02:24 PM
I agree it is very impressive and I have no idea the talent he is going against, but it is not impossible. He obviously has good control and a good mental approach to hitters. However, numbers like that, especially in D3, do not warrant getting drafted based on that alone. A quick look at the Trinity stats, and only 2 of the games that he pitched in were <3 run games. When you know your team is going to score (about 8 runs a game) and your team will field at a .960 clip, you should pour strikes into the zone. Plus sometimes there are strategic walks in close games...do you really want to pitch to the 4 hole stud if you have first base open and a weak 5 hole? So in a close game you have more "unintentional intentional" walks that is just good baseball.

Yes, though, it is an amazing statistic, and a great year.
Title: D3baseball.com All-American team
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 20, 2008, 05:45:42 PM
The D3baseball.com All-American team (http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2008/05/20/Moreland%2C+David+earn+top+honors.html) has been announced.
Title: All-Americans
Post by: cutter on May 20, 2008, 05:46:14 PM
Congratulations to Moreland and David as the POY's...26 homers wow enough said....and 13-0 and being the only pitcher to trip the south region champs hopkins with 3 postseason AA hitters this year and one preseason AA hitter...outstanding seasons for these two young men. Congrats.
Title: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 20, 2008, 05:46:29 PM
D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team

McMurry third baseman Derek David and Christopher Newport ace Kenny Moreland have been named the D3baseball.com Player of the Year and Pitcher of the Year for 2008.

The pair headline the second annual D3baseball.com All-American team, announced Tuesday afternoon.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: chakote on May 20, 2008, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 20, 2008, 05:46:29 PM
D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team

McMurry third baseman Derek David and Christopher Newport ace Kenny Moreland have been named the D3baseball.com Player of the Year and Pitcher of the Year for 2008.

The pair headline the second annual D3baseball.com All-American team, announced Tuesday afternoon.


Jim,   what is the protocol and criterea that is used for the selection of the DIII baseball.com all ameican kids?
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: oldcat on May 20, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
i would like to know why yacko is the 3rd team utility. He has better numbers than the 1st and 2nd team utility all americans. I am just dumbfounded  ???
Title: Re: D3baseball.com All-American team
Post by: fouriscosmic on May 20, 2008, 06:34:19 PM
Moreland showed why he is deserving of Pitcher of the Year when he shut down Hopkins from the 3rd to the 10th inning.  8 Scoreless against the #1 offense.

Congrats to David as well.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: whos in charge here on May 20, 2008, 09:37:46 PM
I have stayed away from posting on these message boards all season, but at this point I have had enough of the absolute rediculous antics going on here... And seeing the All-American team is the final straw.  I have seen the D3 Baseball top 25 throuought the year, and having seen many of these teams play there have been a case of severe over-rating.  When you look only at a team's record and do not take into account opponents you get severly over-rated teams(For example:Salisbury who was 40-4 but could not win thier regional)  Now to get onto the All-American team. Whoever is in charge of that has made some grave mistakes.

I realize that it is a complex assignment, but there has been some big omissions. By putting stats on there for each player, it allows for some debate. First off Kurt Yacko from Chapman...how is a 6-0 pitcher with 14 saves, 68 K's in 54 IP and a 0.60 ERA not a first team All-American? Lets not forget he also had 10 hr, 11 2B, 4 3B, and 46 RBI for a team he led to Appleton. From where I am looking he should have had player of the year consideration.  A second travesty is that Tom Dimitroff from Piedmont was not a first team All-American with a 7-2 record. (the 2 losses were to World Series bound Adrian and nationally ranked Depauw) Dimitroff's season included a nation's best 14 saves and 32 appearences. (Tied an NCAA Division III national record for appearences)  In addition to the wins, saves, and appearences Dimitroff also had 73 strikeouts in 62 innings of work.  The strikeouts were comparable to the strikeout totals for serveal of the starting pitchers on the All-American teams.

These examples beg the question is there any thought put into this or is it mearly picking out of a hat.  I feel like the schedule strength of many of these teams is not taken into consieration.  Chapman and Piedmont played very tough schedules. We did see this year that the ABCA top 25 can be much different than the D3 baseball top 25 and seemingly alot closer to accurate at least in my opinion.  The ABCA poll seemed to be more accurate from the first poll they published until now.

Thank you for hearing me out. I appreciate the work that you and your staff have put into D3 baseball this year, it just seems that some things have been overlooked.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: LWC23 on May 20, 2008, 10:12:03 PM
I agree that the ABCA poll and All America team is a better gauge on reality.

Kyle Stalker from Willamette University is an example.  He was an ABCA West region first team selection - with 22 hrs and great other stats - but he is not even listed on the D3 all america honorable mention selections.
I have seen him play and he is going to the next level .....  not sure why  D3 baseball would not mention him-
Up here in the Northwest we do not get any respect at D3 level.  There is some very good talent in  the Northwest - Stalker is just one example ofa player who was ignored by D3 baseball.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2008, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: whos in charge here on May 20, 2008, 09:37:46 PM

I realize that it is a complex assignment, but there has been some big omissions. By putting stats on there for each player, it allows for some debate. First off Kurt Yacko from Chapman...how is a 6-0 pitcher with 14 saves, 68 K's in 54 IP and a 0.60 ERA not a first team All-American? Lets not forget he also had 10 hr, 11 2B, 4 3B, and 46 RBI for a team he led to Appleton. From where I am looking he should have had player of the year consideration.  A second travesty is that Tom Dimitroff from Piedmont was not a first team All-American with a 7-2 record. (the 2 losses were to World Series bound Adrian and nationally ranked DePauw) Dimitroff's season included a nation's best 14 saves and 32 appearances. (Tied an NCAA Division III national record for appearances)  In addition to the wins, saves, and appearances Dimitroff also had 73 strikeouts in 62 innings of work.  The strikeouts were comparable to the strikeout totals for serveal of the starting pitchers on the All-American teams.

These examples beg the question is there any thought put into this or is it mearly picking out of a hat.  I feel like the schedule strength of many of these teams is not taken into consideration.  Chapman and Piedmont played very tough schedules. We did see this year that the ABCA top 25 can be much different than the D3 baseball top 25 and seemingly a lot closer to accurate at least in my opinion.  The ABCA poll seemed to be more accurate from the first poll they published until now.

Thank you for hearing me out. I appreciate the work that you and your staff have put into D3 baseball this year, it just seems that some things have been overlooked.

First, Jim Dixon is holding to the "D3sport" trademark of only putting out a team that can take the field.  The 2007 ABCA first team had four starting pitchers, and extra OF and two utility players.  The second team had two 2B, two 3B, four OF, five pitchers and three Utility players.  That is well into the entire third team for D3Baseball.com's All-American Teams.

You mention a couple of players.  Yacko surprised me, but I am a West Region guy and knew what he had done over the last couple of years.  I need to go look at the stats and box scores for Wolf and Carroll, which look good, in and of themselves.

As a West Region guy, I was surprised by Yacko's being on the 3rd team, but those other guys have very good numbers as well.  I will need to look at their box scores to see what the voters saw!

As for Dimitroff's, how do you put Dimitroff ahead of Kitchens, Kiely or Moreland?  All three had better numbers than Dimitroff!  Matre had better control as a reliever, fewer walks and lower batting average against than Dimitroff.  No slight on Dimitroff, but those other guys had great seasons, too.

As for 1B's, Stalker had a great season, but the Salisbury fans will yell about Mike Celenza who batted .393 and had one error in 404 chances!
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Pauperboy on May 20, 2008, 11:21:53 PM
Not to add fuel to the fire but.........a guy makes Honorable Mention All-American you would think they were at least a 1st team All-Conference performer in their league and at worst maybe in a good league a 2nd Teamer. But to be Honorable Mention in the North Eastern Athletic Conference and that somehow translates into
Honorable Mention All American, not sure I see it.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2008, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 20, 2008, 11:21:53 PM
Not to add fuel to the fire but.........a guy makes Honorable Mention All-American you would think they were at least a 1st team All-Conference performer in their league and at worst maybe in a good league a 2nd Teamer. But to be Honorable Mention in the North Eastern Athletic Conference and that somehow translates into
Honorable Mention All American, not sure I see it.
Hmmm,

do you know of any local politics inside the NEAC that would have kept Chad Salls of Cazenovia off the all-NEAC team?    ???
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: fouriscosmic on May 20, 2008, 11:33:37 PM
Here is some fuel for though regarding all conference teams.  Brian Youchak was second team Centennial (a weak conference with no one other than Hopkins getting any national recognition) but listed as first team All-American for D3 and First Team All Region for ABCA.  He has the #3 BA in the country and is the offensive leader for a Hopkins team headed to Wisconsin.

Clearly politics came into the decisions on the conference team, but it should be performance alone that determines these honors.

Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: baseballislife6 on May 21, 2008, 12:09:01 AM
Quote from: whos in charge here on May 20, 2008, 09:37:46 PM
I have stayed away from posting on these message boards all season, but at this point I have had enough of the absolute rediculous antics going on here... And seeing the All-American team is the final straw.  I have seen the D3 Baseball top 25 throuought the year, and having seen many of these teams play there have been a case of severe over-rating.  When you look only at a team's record and do not take into account opponents you get severly over-rated teams(For example:Salisbury who was 40-4 but could not win thier regional)  Now to get onto the All-American team. Whoever is in charge of that has made some grave mistakes.

I have to disagree with you on this.  First of all, you mention that Salisbury could not win their regional.  They were beat by another highly ranked team (higher in the d3 baseball poll ALL YEAR than the ABCA poll, I might add) in the championship game of the regional. 

Also, how can you argue with the d3baseball rankings when 5 of the top 6 teams in the ranking BEFORE THE REGIONAL made it to the World Series (Chapman, Trinity, Kean, Johns Hopkins, and Cortland).  Salisbury was the only team in the top 6 that did not make the WS.  Not sure you can say that these teams are over-rated.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: BaseballFan on May 21, 2008, 12:27:03 AM
I was really excited to see the all american teams come out but was extremely disappointed. I thought the 1st team was very strong and would agree with the players there but after that I thought there were noticeable mistakes.

As a follower of the midwest region, its a tough pill to swallow that only 4 guys out of 59 on the all american teams were from the midwest (0 from UWW and 0 from CSS the final two teams). Central I believe only got 4 players also. Maybe its due to the lack of games but thats just sad those boys dont get the recognition. I really do think slug% and ob% need to be looked at and might as well leave fielding% off  because someone had an .866.

Obviously some players are going to get left off, but really think some guys were just completely missed. Dropped the ball on this one.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2008, 12:29:32 AM
Quote from: fouriscosmic on May 20, 2008, 11:33:37 PM
Here is some fuel for though regarding all conference teams.  Brian Youchak was second team Centennial (a weak conference with no one other than Hopkins getting any national recognition) but listed as first team All-American for D3 and First Team All Region for ABCA.  He has the #3 BA in the country and is the offensive leader for a Hopkins team headed to Wisconsin.

Clearly politics came into the decisions on the conference team, but it should be performance alone that determines these honors.

Something else to consider about All-Conference teams that some of them, perhaps many of them are based solely on conference games. All-American teams are based on the entire season.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 21, 2008, 12:27:03 AM
I was really excited to see the all american teams come out but was extremely disappointed. I thought the 1st team was very strong and would agree with the players there but after that I thought there were noticeable mistakes.

As a follower of the midwest region, its a tough pill to swallow that only 4 guys out of 59 on the all american teams were from the midwest (0 from UWW and 0 from CSS the final two teams). Central I believe only got 4 players also. Maybe its due to the lack of games but thats just sad those boys dont get the recognition. I really do think slug% and ob% need to be looked at and might as well leave fielding% off  because someone had an .866.

Obviously some players are going to get left off, but really think some guys were just completely missed. Dropped the ball on this one.
Jim Dixon is only going 4 deep.  That means that only half of the regions will not be represented at the various positions.

When you start combing thru the stats, the trade-off that you make is a great BA (JHU's Todd Emr) for a great Fielding percentage in Justin Armiger of Salisbury or Dan Leslie of St Thomas.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2008, 12:37:58 AM
Jim Dixon has an entire blog dedicated to this topic.  Let's move the feedback over there.

Feedback blog for the All-American team (http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/05/20/the-d3baseballcom-all-american-team/)
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Billy 40 on May 21, 2008, 11:24:50 AM
Everyone alwyas could have done a better job - it's so easy to do so siting behind a computer screen. Every year there are players left off, and people complain about it. Looking at the numbers these kids put up, replacing any of them with other players would end up with "fans" from teh replaced players complaining that their faroite was left off, and stating reasons why.

GReat job putting the list together, and congrats to all those who made D3's AA list.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 21, 2008, 11:55:40 AM
Billy,

Well put... but I don't know if I would say "better"...  As you say in your post, there are others that are also deserving who if put on over the ones who were, would create another stir about that.

Looking at the numbers of those on the teams and those who were not recognnized... it is an impossible task, as how do you weigh someone who has a decent BA & great Slug pct, with 10+ HR's and 40+ RBI against someone who has a great Great BA, with 0 HR's and 25 RBI's BUT has 25-30 SB's.  It is all in the eye of the individual who is comparing the stats... and yes, we each do have our own team, conference or regional bias...

I say congratualtiosn for Jim and his staff for getting more boys some type of recognition...


As for Yacko, I'm a NY region guy and was surprised he ened up third team too behind the two boys from NY.   But that is what happened... they are both deserving of recognition too, so don't diminish there accomplishments in a point to boost someone else.  Also, Yacko is recognized as a utility player, which he is, but perhaps he could have been first team as a relief pitcher, who knows...  and he will most likely be recognized again when the ABCA teams come out.  Its an unexact exercise....   I feel safe in saying that he would trade all of those recognitions if he and his Chapman team mates can win the WS.

So lets celebrate the recognitions for those who did receive them and not squable over who shouldn't be on it to let someone else on.  Just being considered for these recognitions is an honor to anyone who was considered.  Wonder what that list looks like.  most likely a few hundred players... all of whom are worthy of receiving the recogntions.

Now, down off the soap box, more work to do here....
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: gatekeper43 on May 21, 2008, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: oldcat on May 20, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
i would like to know why yacko is the 3rd team utility. He has better numbers than the 1st and 2nd team utility all americans. I am just dumbfounded  ???

Oldcat I must agree!!!!
Personally Yacko is the best relieve pitcher in the league hands down, there isn't another pitcher that can come  into a game and totally shut down the other team on a regular basis. Yacko has proven himself time after time and to be left off the first team all american team shows that he didn't get looked at very seriously. I know that when ever he is brought into a game you can watch the other teams shoulders go down knowing that they have to face him. Anybody that was the player of the year the previous year and played lights out the whole season wasn't being looked at very seriously, there is something wrong here.
Kitchens and Yacko are the best 1-2 punch in College basball and they both deserve to be 1st team all american, Kitchens should be pitcher of the year with a .31 ERA and have the best hit to nine innings in baseball. And Yacko having the 2nd best ERA at .79.
  With the # of strikeouts and number of innings pitched, and the list of accomplishments go on and on and should be both locks for pitcher and player of the year hands down
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: whos in charge here on May 21, 2008, 12:58:10 PM
I have to disagree with you on this.  First of all, you mention that Salisbury could not win their regional.  They were beat by another highly ranked team (higher in the d3 baseball poll ALL YEAR than the ABCA poll, I might add) in the championship game of the regional. 

Also, how can you argue with the d3baseball rankings when 5 of the top 6 teams in the ranking BEFORE THE REGIONAL made it to the World Series (Chapman, Trinity, Kean, Johns Hopkins, and Cortland).  Salisbury was the only team in the top 6 that did not make the WS.  Not sure you can say that these teams are over-rated.



Well having seen salisbury first hand.  They should have lost to RMC if not for a baserunning blunder in the 9th.  They then did lose to Piedmont.  They played a week schedule.  And that was never taking into account.  on the other hand they did have a good year.  the fact remains that it was look out merely from a record stand point.  Salsibury is considered a south team and outside of there conference (18 games) they played 5 true south region games. (va. weslyan twice, CNU, LaGrange, and Rhodes which was added at the end)  Salisbury played a mid-atlantic schedule with a week opponent winning %.  that might be the reason the werent in the first abca poll.  Now with that said they were 40-4 but continue to dodge true south opponents and this isnt the first year they have done so.  The week schedule gave them an inflated record.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: BigPoppa on May 21, 2008, 01:09:11 PM
Rankings mean nothing when the games are settled on the field. The teams that should have been invited were and those who were left out, were left out through their own ineptitudes on the field. Ranking are the only way we fans can compete with other fans as none of us are on the field anymore.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 21, 2008, 03:17:21 PM
Well said... no wonder you're plus so much...
;D
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 21, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: gatekeper43 on May 21, 2008, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: oldcat on May 20, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
i would like to know why yacko is the 3rd team utility. He has better numbers than the 1st and 2nd team utility all americans. I am just dumbfounded  ???

Oldcat I must agree!!!!
Personally Yacko is the best relieve pitcher in the league hands down, there isn't another pitcher that can.....


The back story is that Yacko was nominated as a SS not UTL.  This may seem minor but all of a sudden Yacko's name does not appear with the other utility players. 

Yacko is a great shortstop but not an all-american shortstop this year.  He is a great asset as both a player and pitcher and is recognized as such.

I dont like making the distinction between the teams as there is often just a small subjective difference from from one team to the next. 

I looked at who would make a fifth, sixth and seventh team and all players had great years - not good but great and it is a shame to leave anyone off the list.

FYI - the stats used to compare the players are those from the regular season.  The stats reported on the release include the playoffs.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: chakote on May 21, 2008, 03:56:07 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 21, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: gatekeper43 on May 21, 2008, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: oldcat on May 20, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
i would like to know why yacko is the 3rd team utility. He has better numbers than the 1st and 2nd team utility all americans. I am just dumbfounded  ???

Oldcat I must agree!!!!
Personally Yacko is the best relieve pitcher in the league hands down, there isn't another pitcher that can.....


The back story is that Yacko was nominated as a SS not UTL.  This may seem minor but all of a sudden Yacko's name does not appear with the other utility players. 

Yacko is a great shortstop but not an all-american shortstop this year.  He is a great asset as both a player and pitcher and is recognized as such.

I dont like making the distinction between the teams as there is often just a small subjective difference from from one team to the next. 

I looked at who would make a fifth, sixth and seventh team and all players had great years - not good but great and it is a shame to leave anyone off the list.

FYI - the stats used to compare the players are those from the regular season.  The stats reported on the release include the playoffs.

VERY WELL SAID JIM :) I think that Yacko is by far a great ball player all the way around and he is definitly a plus for his team both on the mound and as a ss, his bat is phenominal (sp) anyway Jim making these selections is a very very difficult task and I commend you on your success both as the head cheese of D3 sports and your talking column on daily dose. Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: HALLEBASEBALL on May 21, 2008, 04:22:13 PM
Yo Yo chotkee or whoever I agree Its Jims list Dont like it make your own.  I personally dont know the whole country. Its playoff time. Stats, rankings, all region, all american,  all tournament dont mean a thing its all about the RING/
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: SCHMEGMA on May 21, 2008, 04:42:23 PM
Here's another name not on the list Ryan Bennick, 10-0 on the year 3 complete games(one in the regional), 2 saves (one in the regional), he also came back the next day in the regional after the 130+ pitch complete game and no hit Johns Hopkins for the final 4 innings, but Salisbury wasn't able to get the runs. Everybody states numbers against conference and tough opponents, check the stats. who ever voted or selected this team should consider covering a different sport because the don't know crap about baseball!!!
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Browneagle64 on May 21, 2008, 04:58:43 PM
Word has it that Yacko was also named to the football All American team (1st team reciever) 3rd team all-punter this past season for the panthers. Hahah. Just kidding. This kid is great, regardless if he wasn't picked.   
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2008, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 21, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: gatekeper43 on May 21, 2008, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: oldcat on May 20, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
i would like to know why yacko is the 3rd team utility. He has better numbers than the 1st and 2nd team utility all americans. I am just dumbfounded  ???

Oldcat I must agree!!!!
Personally Yacko is the best relieve pitcher in the league hands down, there isn't another pitcher that can.....


The back story is that Yacko was nominated as a SS not UTL.  This may seem minor but all of a sudden Yacko's name does not appear with the other utility players. 

Yacko is a great shortstop but not an all-american shortstop this year.  He is a great asset as both a player and pitcher and is recognized as such.
...

FYI - the stats used to compare the players are those from the regular season.  The stats reported on the release include the playoffs.
Wow!!!

Jim, that says something about your voters.  They knew enough about Yacko and the way that Chapman was using him to pencil him in as Utility.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: njac08 on May 21, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Wow,  here we are again for the 2nd time with a huge bias against the NJAC.  How in the world is Ryan Kulick 3rd team??  I highly doubt many of the pitchers ahead of him could have put the stats up that he did pitching in the NJAC against the top teams in the coference every single game.  And nobody else from the conference gets a mention?  How about Mike Guadango from William Paterson??  monster numbers in the OF spot.  Embarrasing, 2 seasons of this and now we all know you will play second fiddle to the ABCA All Americans.  Which will forever be counted on as more realisitic thanks to this garbage.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: A.G. on May 21, 2008, 07:35:44 PM
Even though I have a small issue...
...I am not going to bash.  I appreciate ANY MENTION that the D3 players can get...whether it be on a dedicated web-site like this or anywhere. 

Thanks to all for the thought that went into picking the teams.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2008, 11:35:20 PM
Quote from: njac08 on May 21, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Wow,  here we are again for the 2nd time with a huge bias against the NJAC.  How in the world is Ryan Kulick 3rd team??  I highly doubt many of the pitchers ahead of him could have put the stats up that he did pitching in the NJAC against the top teams in the coference every single game.  And nobody else from the conference gets a mention?  How about Mike Guadango from William Paterson??  monster numbers in the OF spot.  Embarrasing, 2 seasons of this and now we all know you will play second fiddle to the ABCA All Americans.  Which will forever be counted on as more realisitic thanks to this garbage.

I wonder if Mike Guadango was even nominated ...
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: utilitycat17 on May 21, 2008, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 21, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: gatekeper43 on May 21, 2008, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: oldcat on May 20, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
i would like to know why yacko is the 3rd team utility. He has better numbers than the 1st and 2nd team utility all americans. I am just dumbfounded  ???

Oldcat I must agree!!!!
Personally Yacko is the best relieve pitcher in the league hands down, there isn't another pitcher that can.....


The back story is that Yacko was nominated as a SS not UTL.  This may seem minor but all of a sudden Yacko's name does not appear with the other utility players. 

Yacko is a great shortstop but not an all-american shortstop this year.  He is a great asset as both a player and pitcher and is recognized as such.

I dont like making the distinction between the teams as there is often just a small subjective difference from from one team to the next. 

I looked at who would make a fifth, sixth and seventh team and all players had great years - not good but great and it is a shame to leave anyone off the list.

FYI - the stats used to compare the players are those from the regular season.  The stats reported on the release include the playoffs.

I can definitely understand if Yacko was viewed exclusively as a SS that he could have been left off completely.  He wasn't an All-American when viewed exclusively as a SS.  However, he was selected as a Utility Player.  Whether he was initially thought of that way or not, he ended up getting selected as a utility player.  That being the case, shouldn't he have been viewed against the other players who were selected as utility players.  Maybe he was, and it was the opinion of those in charge that he still didn't stack up.  It just seems as though that opinion is in the minority.  If he wasn't compared to the other utility players then how did he end up being selected as a utility player at all.  I'm just not following.  
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: KYGrizzly on May 22, 2008, 07:54:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2008, 11:35:20 PM

I wonder if Mike Guadango was even nominated ...

That would be interesting to see the players that were nominated that did not make any of the teams.

Then again that might start even more arguments.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 22, 2008, 08:46:54 AM
+1 to A.G. and readers like him who understand the difficult issue with anything like this...

-1 to njac08 who obviously doesn't understand what is happening here... and will only agree when it says what he wants it to say.  If its that bad, why are you visiting and reading?

You are both entitled to your opinions... here is mine.

This site and those who take the time to maintain it are to be commended, not ridiculed for giving all of us a place to exchange our thoughts and obtain up to date information.
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: pudge27 on May 22, 2008, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: njac08 on May 21, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Wow,  here we are again for the 2nd time with a huge bias against the NJAC.  How in the world is Ryan Kulick 3rd team??  I highly doubt many of the pitchers ahead of him could have put the stats up that he did pitching in the NJAC against the top teams in the coference every single game.  And nobody else from the conference gets a mention?  How about Mike Guadango from William Paterson??  monster numbers in the OF spot.  Embarrasing, 2 seasons of this and now we all know you will play second fiddle to the ABCA All Americans.  Which will forever be counted on as more realisitic thanks to this garbage.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.  The folks at D3baseball.com sitting around a  table drinking scotch and devising new ways to stick it to the NJAC.  There's always going to be really good players left off of any of these lists.  If you don't like it, start your own website and have the NJAC08 AA team. 
Title: Re: 2008 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 28, 2008, 10:17:19 PM
ESPN - The Magazine Academic All-American Team (http://cosida.com/documents/2008/5/28/2008_baseball2.pdf).

Selected by CoSIDA

College Division (D-II, D-III, NAIA)

First team

P -- Christopher Mock -- Greensboro
IF -- Jared Thoele -- Illinois College
OF - Rob Pietroforte -- JHU
DH -- Robby Finnell -- Univ. of the Ozarks

Second Team

P -- Jason Kealy -- JHU
P -- James Clear -- Denison
C -- Ryan Tryt -- Rochester Tech
IF -- Brandon Mauck -- Otterbein
IF -- Brent Voorhees -- McMurry
IF -- William Kropp -- New Jersey
OF -- David Nypaver -- Thiel
OF -- Shane Wolf -- Ithaca

Third Team

P -- Michael Matsui -- RHIT
C -- Tony Petulla -- PSU-Altoona
IF -- Daniel Poindexter -- Greensboro
IF -- Jonas Fester -- JHU
IF -- Justin Champagne -- Scranton
IF -- Neal Allar -- Amherst
OF -- Richard Hurd -- Rhodes
OF -- Dan Morrison -- Thiel
OF -- Cody Kidd -- Baldwin-Wallace
DH -- Mike Broccolino -- St Mary's MD

Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: LargeTuna21 on June 04, 2008, 03:09:44 PM
I have a big problem with Evan Bronson from Trinity (TX) not even being included on an honorable mention. The kid will be one of the first D3 kids drafted. He went 9-3 with a 2.28 ERA and 102 K's in 83 IP. Not to mention on 19 BBs on a team that went 35-15.

How exactly is that not worthy of some mention?
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 04, 2008, 03:15:29 PM
Quote from: LargeTuna21 on June 04, 2008, 03:09:44 PM
I have a big problem with Evan Bronson from Trinity (TX) not even being included on an honorable mention. The kid will be one of the first D3 kids drafted. He went 9-3 with a 2.28 ERA and 102 K's in 83 IP. Not to mention on 19 BBs on a team that went 35-15.

How exactly is that not worthy of some mention?
Sadly, Tuna, it is a problem with numbers.

There are 12 starting pitchers and 4 relievers on the AA teams.

Who is less deserving on the list?  :-\
Title: Re: D3baseball.com announces 2008 All-America team
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 05, 2008, 07:50:43 PM
Quote from: LargeTuna21 on June 04, 2008, 03:09:44 PM
I have a big problem with Evan Bronson from Trinity (TX) not even being included on an honorable mention. The kid will be one of the first D3 kids drafted. He went 9-3 with a 2.28 ERA and 102 K's in 83 IP. Not to mention on 19 BBs on a team that went 35-15.

How exactly is that not worthy of some mention?

If you want to include everyone who had a great season the AA list would have 10 different teams.  I hated to leave off a lot of folks but as Ralph indicated, there has to be a cut off. 
Title: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 02:04:08 PM
Continue discussing All-Americans in this thread for 2009.   :)
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 27, 2008, 03:31:45 PM
Speaking for the USA-South the two players that should be picked pre-season all-american and also will be the only two that have a chance to be name post season all american is Moore from NC Wesleyan and Bailey from CNU
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: baseballbaseball on December 27, 2008, 03:31:45 PM
Speaking for the USA-South the two players that should be picked pre-season all-american and also will be the only two that have a chance to be name post season all american is Moore from NC Wesleyan and Bailey from CNU
How about some discussion of their attributes...

ERA, W-L, Fielding Average, BAA, etc.  :)
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 27, 2008, 05:33:03 PM
Moore-  undefeated in USA-SOUTH PLAY  (same as Moreland)  9-2 with a sub 3 era 60+ K's opp bat around 230.  1rst team all confrence, all region, and NCCSIA all state and also i believe one the games he lost was to D2 national champs Mount Olive on the first game of last year season. Also if you have never seen him pitch you should take a trip to VA and watch him throw with me, ive never seen a pitcher want to win more than that kid does.

Bailey- POTY in the Usa South   d3 2nd team all american  regional player of the year VCCSIA all state all region.  STATS NOT NEEDED TO BE MENTIONED

JUST WATCH THEM PLAY.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: A.G. on December 27, 2008, 06:32:57 PM
Those are two VERY worthy candidates from the USA South.

The ODAC returns 2008 2nd team AA and first team all-South region pitcher Joe Devlin from Lynchburg, who was 9-0 with a 1.04 ERA.  Devlin also added 3 saves as he actually began 08 as LC's closer.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: rlscosta on December 27, 2008, 06:44:01 PM
I think you also have to add Justin Batts (catcher) from NCW

.397, 3 HR, 50 RBI, .543 SLUG, 13 EX BASE HITS.  He was 2nd team ALL-USA SOUTH as UTL...my pick
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 07:01:54 PM
Quote from: rlscosta on December 27, 2008, 06:44:01 PM
I think you also have to add Justin Batts (catcher) from NCW

.397, 3 HR, 50 RBI, .543 SLUG, 13 EX BASE HITS.  He was 2nd team ALL-USA SOUTH as UTL...my pick
To be considered as a catcher, I want to see some defensive numbers.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 27, 2008, 10:55:03 PM
J. Batt is a very powerful threat with the bat, but when it comes to defence i do not see him as a threat. The games i watched at CNU last year batts played first for NCWC as he was not even their starting catcher. Id give him a vote for util player instead of catcher
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 27, 2008, 10:59:09 PM
Id have to agree with A.G. the two from the USA-SOUTH and DELVINE should be on the pre-season all-american list no questions asked. I just dont see how you leave them out. following the south region i still believe the two boys from the usa-south and delvine out of the pen would be the best in the nation, so you tell me how they would not be put on pre-season all american list.

Do you agree with that?

P.S.   delvine is a good pitcher because he from the VA schools
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: rlscosta on December 28, 2008, 12:53:24 AM
Baseball, I like yout enthusiasm about VA schools.  We almost went to one.  Me and my wife live in Norfolk and my 14 year old son is a SS at the High School but NCWC was awesome and my son chose to play there. 

On another note, I almost forgot about 3B Seth Kivett from Methodist U.  He list it up last year with I think 12 HR's, which is very impressing but he is showing up this year on the UNC-Pembroke roster so I think he moved up to D2.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: A.G. on December 28, 2008, 07:10:38 PM
Quote from: rlscosta on December 28, 2008, 12:53:24 AM
Baseball, I like yout enthusiasm about VA schools.  We almost went to one.  Me and my wife live in Norfolk and my 14 year old son is a SS at the High School but NCWC was awesome and my son chose to play there. 

On another note, I almost forgot about 3B Seth Kivett from Methodist U.  He list it up last year with I think 12 HR's, which is very impressing but he is showing up this year on the UNC-Pembroke roster so I think he moved up to D2.

Yes...Kivett transferred.  There are some interesting thoughts in the USA South thread about it and his reasoning.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on December 29, 2008, 12:37:18 PM
The D3baseball.com preseason All-American team will be released on 8 January.

Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: BoomerIL on December 29, 2008, 08:26:18 PM
I've been around baseball and enjoyed the game for many decades, and I try to make some sense of how All-Americans, or MVP's in MLB, or Pitcher's of the Year/Cy Young winners, etc. are chosen.

My question to all of you on D3 is......what, who sets the criteria for these selections.  I'm not nieve enough to think the those players are the best-of-the-best, but through maybe consistent play are given those honors.

In anyones and everyones opinion, how is one player/position chosen out of all the very talented DIII players across the country?
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on December 30, 2008, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on December 29, 2008, 08:26:18 PM
I've been around baseball and enjoyed the game for many decades, and I try to make some sense of how All-Americans, or MVP's in MLB, or Pitcher's of the Year/Cy Young winners, etc. are chosen.

My question to all of you on D3 is......what, who sets the criteria for these selections.  I'm not nieve enough to think the those players are the best-of-the-best, but through maybe consistent play are given those honors.

In anyones and everyones opinion, how is one player/position chosen out of all the very talented DIII players across the country?

It is indeed difficult to make thee decisions.

At D3baseball.com we always use a ballot and a number of voters who know the players.  Often there is a consensus on who is the best. 

I beleive I said this before but after compiling the All-American list last year, I could make a fifth, sixth...  team that one would say yeah, they are All-Americans but you have to draw the line somewhere.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: BoomerIL on December 30, 2008, 07:47:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on December 30, 2008, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on December 29, 2008, 08:26:18 PM
I've been around baseball and enjoyed the game for many decades, and I try to make some sense of how All-Americans, or MVP's in MLB, or Pitcher's of the Year/Cy Young winners, etc. are chosen.

My question to all of you on D3 is......what, who sets the criteria for these selections.  I'm not nieve enough to think the those players are the best-of-the-best, but through maybe consistent play are given those honors.

In anyones and everyones opinion, how is one player/position chosen out of all the very talented DIII players across the country?

It is indeed difficult to make thee decisions.

At D3baseball.com we always use a ballot and a number of voters who know the players.  Often there is a consensus on who is the best. 

I beleive I said this before but after compiling the All-American list last year, I could make a fifth, sixth...  team that one would say yeah, they are All-Americans but you have to draw the line somewhere.

So then, I would assume coaches, parents, team officials, etc., are the voters that you refer to, correct?  I guess then when these evaluations of a player are made, some sort of a comment or opinion is included with the ballot.  True?  But what is really being evaluated, the batting average, hits, hr's, rbi's, tb's, and so on, plus his defensive prowess?  I know the simple answer is "yes, all of the above" but are there the intangibles, whatever those may be.  Evaluating pitchers is probably easier with a low era, k's/bb's ratio, etc.

I've noticed when discussions occur in MLB about players OBP and SLG %, that many are starting to view those two stats as having an equal, or maybe even greater importance in evaluating a players success or value to a team.  Are these stats taken into consideration as well?
   
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: infielddad on December 30, 2008, 11:49:53 PM
Boomer,
These selections have to be very difficult, if for no other reason than some spectacular numbers  can be put up at the DIII level.
Historically, though, you will find the All Americans include the very best players.  When our son graduated in 2004, the team included Scott Hyde from George Fox, Andrew Pinkney from Emory, Scott(?) Peterson from George Fox and some others.  Ours got included. I think Archie Gilbert from Cal State East Bay was included and he is still playing.  That West Regional was TOUGH!!!!!
Each one of those players had fine MILB careers except Scott Hyde and that had nothing to do with his talent.
When you go to a regional, you truly see how much talent there is at the DIII level and why these types of choices have to be difficult.  While some really good players might get not get the nod, it surely is not because lesser players did.  If you get a DIII All American nod, you have to be a terrific player, at any level of NCAA baseball.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 31, 2008, 04:18:50 PM
cant wait to see who is on the pre season all american list even though i know that the south region will get pushed to the side again. the kids we have been talking about in the south region, especially the two pitchers should def be on one of those two teams.


another note on Moore,    he was 9-2 with a team that lead the nation in errors last year, alot to say

also our VA lychburg star won over 30% of his teams games last year, not name mentioned
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2008, 06:42:58 PM
Quote from: baseballbaseball on December 31, 2008, 04:18:50 PM
cant wait to see who is on the pre season all american list even though i know that the south region will get pushed to the side again. the kids we have been talking about in the south region, especially the two pitchers should def be on one of those two teams.


another note on Moore,    he was 9-2 with a team that lead the nation in errors last year, alot to say

also our VA lychburg star won over 30% of his teams games last year, not name mentioned
Baseballbaseball, the team that Jim Dixon puts out there will have only a limited number of positions.  The teams actually look like the team that you might see in a weekend series.  There won't be 3 first basemen and seven outfielders on the first team.

That being said, there are 8 regions and 360 schools to consider.  The South Region only has 36 schools in it.  I think that the South Region will be well represented on the team, and garner more than 10% of the slots available.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Hammer Ball on December 31, 2008, 07:58:23 PM
Only 3 of the D3 players drafted appear not to have signed professional contracts:

1088. Evan Bronson, Trinity (Texas) by Milwaukee (36)
1368. Dean Laganosky, Haverford by Cleveland (45)
1435. Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler by Oakland (48)

Does good enough to be drafted mean good enough to be a D3 Pre-season All-American?

We will find out in January.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 01, 2009, 09:35:41 PM
Mr. Turner  you say that the south region will have 10% of the players shown on this years pre-season all american list, but with out being a typical sports writer and beating around the truth, who do you think are the favorites for becoming preseason all americans

1rst team

2nd team

H-mention
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2009, 09:53:06 PM
I am still following the posts to see who is on the radar from fans across the country, as they make their cases for their favorites.  So far, Wheaton's Kolb looks good.  I wonder about Devlin and Kitchens as pitchers.

Killeen had some good numbers for a catcher. Youchak as an OF looks good.

There are five that I think show up on the list.   :)
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2009, 09:59:16 PM
Quote from: Hammer Ball on December 31, 2008, 07:58:23 PM
Only 3 of the D3 players drafted appear not to have signed professional contracts:

1088. Evan Bronson, Trinity (Texas) by Milwaukee (36)
1368. Dean Laganosky, Haverford by Cleveland (45)
1435. Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler by Oakland (48)

Does good enough to be drafted mean good enough to be a D3 Pre-season All-American?

We will find out in January.
I need help on this about Laganosky. I cannot find him on any of last year's All-Region or All-American lists.  I did not find him in any NCAA stats leader list, e.g., BA, RBI, HR.  Was he drafted as a favor to someone else?

Thanks
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Hammer Ball on January 02, 2009, 10:41:15 AM

2nd Team All-Centennial Conference in 07 and 08 (OF)
.378 and .344 BA in 07 and 08, respectively.
71 - 80 SB's career.

Was followed by Indians all season and into the summer - not drafted as a favor (to my knowledge)
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 11:05:32 AM
Thanks Hammer Ball!

+1!  :)

(I thought that I remembered that someone was drafted as a favor to someone else, deep in the draft.)
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 11:05:32 AM
Thanks Hammer Ball!

+1!  :)

(I thought that I remembered that someone was drafted as a favor to someone else, deep in the draft.)

In the 2007 draft, the White Sox drafted Guillen Oney (son of Ozzie Guillen) from North Park, even though Oney did not even play in 2007 (and batted under .300 in 2006)!  Might that be who you were thinking of?
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 04:11:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 11:05:32 AM
Thanks Hammer Ball!

+1!  :)

(I thought that I remembered that someone was drafted as a favor to someone else, deep in the draft.)

In the 2007 draft, the White Sox drafted Guillen Oney (son of Ozzie Guillen) from North Park, even though Oney did not even play in 2007 (and batted under .300 in 2006)!  Might that be who you were thinking of?
I remember that now that you mention it.  I think that the player was a West Coast player... :)
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 02, 2009, 08:03:11 PM
Come on guys!  He is talking about Mike Piazza.  The guy was like the 10,000th pick as a favor to Tommy Lasorda.  I'm with you Ralph.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: BoomerIL on January 02, 2009, 09:02:17 PM
infielddad......

Very true in your analysis.  I remember last March in Florida when our guys played Emory in Sanford, their 3rd baseman Frank Pfister, was a totally different looking player than the year before.  What I mean is that his physical appearance/size had changed into a true baseball "body type."  His fielding was much improved, as well as his hitting.  He eventually was drafted.  You could tell he was, or could be going places in pro-ball.

The year before, Jason Glushon was sort of the same way.  Not very big in terms of being a pitcher, but he knew how to pitch, hitting his spots and mixing up his pitches.  He is in AA now.

I have watched a lot of college ball, inperson and on t.v., and I have to believe that there are many DIII players that could easily be playing DI, and even have a chance at the pros if only they went to the right school, at the right time, for the right position.  I know that sounds simple, but you and I both probably know that it is not.  It is an honor, a big accomplishment, DIII, DII, and especailly DI to be an All-Amercian.  It doesn't hurt their resume either.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: mr_b on January 02, 2009, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 11:05:32 AM
Thanks Hammer Ball!

+1!  :)

(I thought that I remembered that someone was drafted as a favor to someone else, deep in the draft.)

In the 2007 draft, the White Sox drafted Guillen Oney (son of Ozzie Guillen) from North Park, even though Oney did not even play in 2007 (and batted under .300 in 2006)!  Might that be who you were thinking of?

Here's a link  (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/careerAZ/guillen_oney.html)to Oney's career stats at North Park.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2009, 10:27:47 PM
Quote from: mr_b on January 02, 2009, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 11:05:32 AM
Thanks Hammer Ball!

+1!  :)

(I thought that I remembered that someone was drafted as a favor to someone else, deep in the draft.)

In the 2007 draft, the White Sox drafted Guillen Oney (son of Ozzie Guillen) from North Park, even though Oney did not even play in 2007 (and batted under .300 in 2006)!  Might that be who you were thinking of?

Here's a link  (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/careerAZ/guillen_oney.html)to Oney's career stats at North Park.

WOW!  I just went by the discussion on CCIW baseball.  If I were Oney, a pick that was THAT blatantly just a favor would be more an insult (pity :o) than an honor. :P
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 07, 2009, 08:31:03 PM
pre-season all american list comes out tomarrow and im looking foward to seeing the south region players that are represented. I expect to see Bailey (cnu) Delvin (LC) and Moore (ncwc) at least represented, and it would be a mistake if all 3 are not atleast on the Honorable Mention team, espeically the VA boys.  Good luck to those three and i hope  and will see if d3baseball really has a honorable pre season all american list
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Gramps on February 10, 2009, 01:04:11 AM
Just thought that I'd throw my two cents worth and mention two players from up north, the Mid-East Region, who had outstanding seasons last year.  They both played for Heidelberg in the OAC.  Jeremy Wentworth, Sr. OF, .420 AVG., 3rd team All American, 1st team Mid-East Regiion, 1st team OAC, OAC  tournament team.  Jason Lash, Soph. SS, .425 AVG. 2 time OAC Hitter of the Week, 1st team Mid-East Region, Mid-East tournament team, 1st team OAC.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 17, 2009, 01:14:17 PM
With some teams already half way through the schedule, it is time to think about potential All Americans. 

You might have to hit .500 to be an all-american first baseman.

P-P's Hedman is looking like a player of the year candidate.  Biner (JHU) and Post (Pac Lutheran) are also to fine starts.  Who is having a great season?

Player                 AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%
Ryan Biner          .632    6-5     19    6  12   2   0   2   12     20 1.053
Drew Hedman     .574  18-18    68  26  39   7   3  12  39    88  1.294 
Jordon Post        .537  15-15    54  16  29   6   0   4  20     47    .870


Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: d3baseballnut on March 18, 2009, 11:52:53 AM
Check out Hartmann from Cal Lutheran....

His RBI total is a littel down but he already has 9HRs
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: dp643 on March 18, 2009, 04:16:26 PM
Javier Arrieta from Sul Ross (terrible record as a team) is putting up monster numbers.

Player                 avg   gp-gs      ab     r     h     2b     3b     hr     rbi     bb     hbp  so     sb-att
Javier Arrieta      .521     24-24     94     31     49     11     1     12     33     8     1     9     11-11

Also fielding .939 at SS
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 18, 2009, 06:32:18 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on March 18, 2009, 11:52:53 AM
Check out Hartmann from Cal Lutheran....

His RBI total is a littel down but he already has 9HRs

I think his RBI's are down because the guy in front of him knocks a lot of guys in too.  Hartman had  monster weekend vs. East Bay.  He hit 4 bombs in three games. 
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: oldcat on March 19, 2009, 03:22:10 AM
Hartmann is a good hitter. Every time he hits the ball, it's hit hard. Here is the line on Chapman's Kitchens and Semel so far this year.

Player                      ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV   IP     H   R    ER  BB  SO   B/Avg
Wayde Kitchens......  2.19   5-1     8   7     3   1/0          1  53.1  41  19  13  17  60    .215
John Semel..........  1.80     0-1     7   0      0   0/0         3  10.0   8     4   2    6     12


                             AVG  GP-GS    AB   R    H   2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO GDP   OB%  SF  SH  SB-ATT
John Semel..........  .455  21-21    88  32  40   5   2     7  21   70  .795     11   3      5   4      .514   3   0  12-13
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2009, 07:19:39 AM
Semel is coming around... ;)

He may be the "newcomer" of the year.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: BigPoppa on March 19, 2009, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2009, 07:19:39 AM
Semel is coming around... ;)

He may be the "newcomer" of the year.

It appears that he is the heir apparent to Kurt Yacko... filling the same role.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: chakote on March 20, 2009, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2009, 07:19:39 AM
Semel is coming around... ;)

He may be the "newcomer" of the year.

If he can come in from left field and give them an inning or two, plus keep his bat in the lineup that would be huge for the panthers. He has all the potential to be the heir apparent only time will tell.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: AlleyCat on March 30, 2009, 03:26:44 PM
Possible 2009 All Americans from the NY Region early in the Season might include:

Cortland
Tone - 3-0 34K's 30IP - Draft Pick
Jackson - .391 15 RBI 19 Games
Nickel - .407 20RBI in 19games, 4doubles, 3 HR's

Oneonta
Filak  - 4-0 .90ERA, 49Ks in 30 IP Draft Pick
Juedes - 3-1, 22K's in 31IP

Clarkson
Holiday - .346 24 RBI in 16 games, 6 2b's, 4 HR
Curry - .453, 14 RBI 16 games, 7 2b's 3 3b's

Rochester
Francis - .386, 28 RBI 18 games, 4 2b's, 2 3b's and 2 HR
Toalnd - 3-0, 1.93 ERA, 24 K's in 23 IP

RPI
Devine - .456, 15 RBI in 15 Games, 3 2b's 1 HR
Mamigonian - .453, 23 RBI in 15 games, 10 2b's 3 HR 22 runs
Marchese - .448, 23 RBI in 16 games, 5 2b's 6 HR 24 runs
Mondo - 3-1, 2.83 ERA, 35 K's 28 IP
Opperman - 3-0, 3.46 ERA, 24 K's 26 IP

Farmingdale
Curtis - .415, 24 RBI in 21 games, 15 runs, 2 2b's 1 3b's 1 HR
Moscatelli - .394, 19 RBI in 21 games, 16 runs, 5 2b's 1HR
Gionesi - 3-0 21 K's in 27 IP

Mt St Mary
McNoble - .411, 15 RBI in 17 games, 18 runs 5 3b's
Peisel - .388, 21 RBI in 17 games 21 Runs 5 2b's 2 HR 1 3b
Redmond - 4-1, 1.95 ERA, 27 K's 37IP

Ithaca
Perez - .404, 15 RBi in 16 games, 5 2b's 1 HR
Streich - .339, 19 RBI in 16 Games, 4 2b's 4 HR
McDaniel - 4-0, 1.74 ERA, 21 K's 31 IP
Sapp - 3-0, 2.01 ERA, 12 K's 31 IP

St John Fisher
Fuselli - .471, 19 RBI in 13 Games 102b's 2 HR 16 runs
Pettinella - .426, 18 RBI in 15 games, 11 2b's 2 3b's 4 HR 21 runs
Barresi - .424, 20 RBi in 15 games, 4 2b's 3 3b's 4 HR 21 runs
Van Slyke - 3-1 2 saves, 3.46 ERA, 16 K's in 26IP


I'm sure I left someone off. Please add to the list.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2009, 07:39:44 PM
The D3baseball.com/NCBWA  All-American team was released on May 20, 2008.

Look on the home page this week for the 2009 All-American team.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 18, 2009, 05:55:22 PM
        GORHAM, Maine  --  Seven members of the University of Southern Maine
baseball team have been selected for spots on the 2009 New England
Intercollegiate Baseball Association (NEIBA) Division III All-New
England teams that was released May 14.
        Named to the All-New England first team were senior shortstop Chris
Burleson (Portland, Maine/Deering) and senior outfielder Anthony
D'Alfonso (Westbrook, Maine).  Picked to the second team were senior
outfielder Ryan Pike (Saco, Maine/Thornton Academy) and senior
right-handed pitcher Tim Therrian (New Portland, Maine/Carrabec). 
Selected to the third team were senior first baseman Ryan Gaffney
(Salem, N.H./Central Catholic), junior third baseman Josh Mackey
(Danvers, Mass.) and junior designated hitter Collin Henry (Penobscot,
Maine/George Stevens Academy).
        In addition to the seven players making the All-New England first,
second or third teams, veteran USM head coach Ed Flaherty was named the
Coach of the Year.
        This is the second straight year that Burleson and D'Alfonso have been
named to the first team.  Gaffney was a second team pick at third base
in 2008, and Mackey was a second team honoree in 2007 at third base. 
Southern Maine and LEC arch-rival Eastern Connecticut State University
led all schools with seven players apiece named to the All-New England
teams.
        D'Alfonso, the Little East Conference Player of the Year and first
team all-conference pick, led the Huskies' offense batting .438 (77 for
176) with 52 runs scored, 17 doubles, three triples, nine home runs and
a single-season record 76 RBI.  He also compiled a .722 slugging
percentage and a .519 on-base percentage.
        Burleson finished the season batting .390 (64 for 164) with 69 runs
scored, 10 doubles, three triples, eight homers, 39 RBI and a team-high
27 stolen bases.  Along with 44 walks and nine times hit by pitch,
Burleson had a .539 on-base percentage.
        Pike, the only player to start all 45 games, completed the season with
a .352 batting average (63 for 179), 47 runs scored, 14 doubles, one
triple, a team-leading 11 homers and 67 RBI.  He also stole 21 bases.
        The Little East Conference Pitcher of the Year and first team
all-conference selection, Therrian compiled a 9-1 record with a 3.86
ERA.  The 6-foot-4 right-hander made 12 appearances, including 10
starts, covering 72.1 innings.  He allowed 81 hits, 16 walks and 35
runs (31 earned) while fanning a staff high 58.  Therrian had two
complete games, including a 3-0 shutout of Rhode Island College on
April 25.
        Moving across the diamond from third to first base, Gaffney batted
361 (57 for 158) with 40 runs scored, 11 doubles, two triples, six
home runs and 44 RBI.
        Back at third base where he played as a freshman, Mackey hit 385 (65
for 169) with 68 runs scored, 14 doubles, a team-high four triples, six
home runs and 47 RBI.  He was one of three Huskies to have an on-base
percentage of .500 or higher.
        Henry, who split time at first base, pitcher and designated hitter,
batted .323 (54 for 167) in 44 games with 46 runs scored, a
team-leading 19 doubles, two triples, six homers and 54 RBI.  On the
mound, he compiled a 3-3 record, including a shutout over Keene State
College during the regular season, with a 4.74 ERA.
        In his 24th season as USM's head coach, Flaherty guided the Huskies to
a 36-9 final record.  His team won the Little East Conference regular
season title (outright or shared) for the fifth time since baseball
became a conference sport in 1997 with a 12-2 mark.  The Huskies spent
three consecutive weeks atop the D3baseball.com national poll, and
reached number one in the ABCA Division III poll on May 5.  He achieved
another milestone this season winning the 700th game of his career when
the Huskies downed Calvin College on March 25.

2009 NEIBA ALL-NEW ENGLAND DIVISION 3 BASEBALL TEAMS

First Team
C        Sean Killeen        Senior        Trinity
1B        Kent Graham        Junior        Trinity
2B        Andrew Fatse        Sophomore        WNEC
3B        Melvin Castillo        Junior        Eastern Connecticut
SS        Chris Burleson        Senior        Southern Maine
OF        Tom White        Senior        Colby-Sawyer
OF        Bobby Doyon        Sophomore        Keene State
OF        Anthony D'Alfonso        Senior        Southern Maine
OF        Matt Hart        Senior        Worcester State
DH        Pat Moran        Junior        St. Joseph's (ME)
UT        Shawn Gilblair        Senior        Eastern Connecticut
P        Jeremiah Bayer        Senior        Trinity
P        Conor Fahey        Senior        WPI
P        Ken Cook        Junior        Castleton State
P        Tim Doyle        Senior        Suffolk

Second Team
C        Nick Arthers        Senior        Husson
1B        Tom Phillips        Senior        MIT
2B        Ryan Walsh        Sophomore        UMass Boston
3B        Tony Trubia        Sophomore        WNEC
SS        Nick Pecora        Senior        Wheaton
OF        Justin Collett        Senior        Salve Regina
OF        Ryan Pike        Senior        Southern Maine
OF        James Geosits        Senior        Curry
OF        Jim Schult        Sophomore        Eastern Connecticut
DH        Sean Munley        Sophomore        Wheaton
UT        Gary Levesque        Sophomore        Rhode Island College
P        Josh Simmons        Senior        Wheaton
P        Tim Therrian        Senior        Southern Maine
P        Andrew Aizenstadt        Sophomore        Babson
P        Will Musson        Junior        Eastern Connecticut
P        Matt Fontaine        Junior        Eastern Connecticut

Third Team
C        Bobby Barrett        Junior        Suffolk
1B        Ben Grant-Roy        Junior        St. Joseph's (ME)
1B        Ryan Gaffney        Senior        Southern Maine
2B        John Parke        Junior        Eastern Connecticut
3B        Josh Mackey        Junior        Southern Maine
SS        David LeResche        Sophomore        Tufts
SS        Travis Bass        Junior        Eastern Connecticut
OF        Erich Enns        Junior        Middlebury
OF        Cody Callahan        Freshman        Keene State
OF        Jeff Perkins        Senior        Keene State
OF        Jesse Bruinsma        Junior        Curry
OF        Al Mathews        Junior        Williams
DH        Collin Henry        Junior        Southern Maine
UT        Chris Campbell        Sophomore        St. Joseph's (ME)
UT        Frank Vaccaro        Senior        Becker
P        Brian Hurld        Senior        Roger Williams
P        Chris DeGoti        Freshman        Tufts
P        Bryan Calzone        Senior        WNEC
P        Dan Delia        Senior        Suffolk

Player of the Year
Shawn Gilblair, P/DH, Senior, Eastern Connecticut

Pitcher of the Year
Jeremiah Bayer, Senior, Trinity

Coach of the Year
Ed Flaherty, Southern Maine
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: andrew2 on May 19, 2009, 04:06:05 PM
 Jeff Toth........  .483  45-45   AB-176  R55  H85  2B19   3B5  HR 8 RBI49  TB138  SLG.784 
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 19, 2009, 04:13:43 PM
 Todd Emr.........  .457  43-42   AB 173  R 55  H 79  2B 23   3B 2   HR 4  RBI 51  TB 118  SLG .682  OBP .518   

My question is how he does not make 1st team All region when he made all american last year with almost identical numbers

Todd Emr.........  .487  49-49   193  56  94  2B 18   3B 3   HR 5  RBI 70  TB 133  .SLG 689  OBP .505   
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 20, 2009, 01:08:44 AM
D3baseball.com 2009 All-America team

D3baseball.com Player of the Year: Drew Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer
D3baseball.com Pitcher of the Year: Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity (Conn.)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

First Team 2009 season statistics
Pos Name, School AVG R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB-AT FLD%
C Sean Killeen, Trinity (Conn.) .467 56 63 18 3 11 53 3-4 .990
1B Drew Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer .489 63 86 11 3 24 87 13-13 .984
2B Mike Moceri, Kean .436 54 82 22 7 2 57 9-13 .984
3B Cody Ross, Texas-Dallas .439 64 87 21 3 15 67 6-6 .913
SS Javier Arrieta, Sul Ross State .461 46 70 15 2 17 51 15-17 .936
OF Bo Bell, Mississippi College .425 56 62 12 2 13 73 4-4 .982
OF Bobby Doyon, Keene State .435 56 73 22 0 13 72 12-14 .958
OF David May, Merchant Marine .464 43 64 4 4 13 57 16-19 .965
DH Matt Groezinger, Wooster .394 54 67 18 2 11 68 6-9 .973
UTL Shawn Gilblair, East. Conn. .402 51 70 21 0 9 67 4-5 .974

Pos Name, School ERA W-L SV IP H ER BB SO
P Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity (Conn.) 0.52 12-0 1 87.0 54 5 19 89
P Ryan Domschot, Adrian 2.64 10-2 1 75.0 73 22 21 83
P Conor Fahey, WPI 1.55 8-2 3 104.2 84 18 20 122
P Steve Matre, Mount St. Joseph 0.41 0-1 13 22.0 10 1 4 32
P Justin McDowell, Wooster 2.27 12-2 1 95.1 78 24 21 82
UTL Shawn Gilblair, Eastern Conn. 2.71 8-1 0 63.0 52 19 12 99

Second Team 2009 season statistics
Pos Name, School AVG R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB-AT FLD%
C Patrick Reardon, RPI .409 61 79 22 1 10 54 7-10 .966
1B Mike Celenza, Salisbury .469 62 75 12 1 12 57 0-0 .997
2B Ian Sanders, Franklin .408 52 69 17 2 10 59 5-9 .941
3B Eric Groff, Keystone .447 60 76 15 6 13 55 19-19 .896
SS Tim Tepe, Rose-Hulman .489 57 87 21 6 7 58 2-3 .956
OF Alex Cowart, Adrian .447 46 71 18 4 4 46 15-18 1.000
OF Anthony D'Alfonso, S. Maine .438 52 77 17 3 9 76 3-5 .985
OF Brandon Pietrzyk, Buena Vista .447 51 71 12 5 8 57 27-30 .985
OF Matt Wyckoff, George Fox .447 68 84 18 2 11 71 20-22 .972
DH Kyle Wooden, Guilford .514 42 71 15 0 10 51 2-2 .000
UTL Jeremy Macklin, Texas Lutheran .456 53 77 17 3 12 67 9-9 .899

Pos Name, School ERA W-L SV IP H ER BB SO
P Zeb Engle, Ursinus 1.87 9-0 0 81.2 72 17 28 91
P Wayde Kitchens, Chapman 2.19 6-1 1 61.2 44 15 18 71
P Andy Lowe, Heidelberg 1.34 3-1 9 53.2 36 8 12 61
P Pete McDaniel, Ithaca 2.76 8-1 0 71.2 63 22 15 52
P Brett Repard, Keystone 2.24 9-0 0 60.1 51 15 9 51
UTL Jeremy Macklin, Texas Lutheran 1.99 6-1 1 45.1 32 10 16 46

Third Team 2009 season statistics
Pos Name, School AVG R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB-AT FLD%
C Marcus Magister, Grove City .443 43 54 9 1 13 52 3-4 .964
1B Kyle Stalker, Willamette .455 33 45 5 0 15 52 1-1 .990
2B Andrew Fatse, West. New England .467 44 68 9 7 4 68 6-9 .946
3B Cameron Cimino, Marietta .443 57 81 19 3 11 47 6-6 .928
SS Jeff Toth, New Jersey .483 55 85 19 5 8 49 16-19 .922
OF Matt Hart, Worcester State .426 54 69 13 4 14 34 27-27 .956
OF Andrew Miller, Salisbury .406 67 67 13 0 9 46 28-28 .983
OF Hunter Owen, Millsaps .387 47 73 16 1 13 52 15-20 .971
OF Jared Smith, Texas-Dallas .369 63 66 12 0 23 71 15-16 .982
DH Regan Dixon, Hardin-Simmons .354 43 58 12 2 16 56 0-1 .989
UTL John Lunardi, Susquehanna .415 42 49 9 0 8 22 11-13 .992

Pos Name, School ERA W-L SV IP H ER BB SO
P Brandon Aich, Kean 2.25 3-0 10 40.0 31 10 15 38
P Dave Filak, Oneonta 2.36 6-1 0 53.1 30 14 27 88
P Brett Hinson, Mississippi College 3.63 10-2 0 91.2 92 37 24 105
P Josh Simons, Shenandoah 3.79 5-0 0 57.0 54 24 14 51
P Matt Schuld, St. Thomas 3.40 10-1 1 90.0 79 34 31 83
UTL John Lunardi, Susquehanna 1.60 7-2 0 62.0 43 11 9 51

Honorable Mention
C: Bobby Barrett, Suffolk, Ian Lee, St. Joseph's (Maine); 1B: Will Hawkins, Millsaps; 2B: Gar Keen, Heidelberg; Wes White, Waynesburg; 3B: Melvin Castillo, Eastern Connecticut; Tristan Phillips, Chapman; SS: Chris Burleson, Southern Maine; OF: Andrew Fuiten, Webster; Joseph Villegas, Mary Hardin-Baylor; Jon Olla, Concordia (Wisc.); DH: Sean Munley, Wheaton (Mass.); Jordon Ott, Cal Lutheran; UTL: Pat Moran, St. Joseph's (Maine); John Semel, Chapman; P: Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler; Adian Kummet, St. Scholastica; Nolan Nicholson, Redlands; Brad Orosey, Texas Lutheran, Trace Ruffie, Carthage.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 20, 2009, 01:13:36 AM
John Lunardi was also a D3football.com All-American as well.

http://www.d3football.com/tow/08/allamericans.htm
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 20, 2009, 01:35:51 AM
PDF version:

http://www.d3baseball.com/all-american/d3baseball-allamericans-2009.pdf
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: cutter on May 20, 2009, 07:27:38 AM
d-nut--i agree...Emr, was by far the best player in the south regional...taking nothing away from brashears...its a shame to see only the salisbury guys get the recognition...all americans step up when it matters, and Emr--along with the shendo boys did that...the salisbury boys did not.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: KSCfan on May 20, 2009, 10:08:47 AM
No love for Jeff Perkins from Keene state college??? Stat line of
J. Perkins..........  .453  41-41   150  57  68  12   6   2  49   98  .653  38   7  10   0  .574   2   0  14-19

Numbers that stick out to me...
As a leadoff hitter on the 2nd best offense in the country his OBP is .574,
His batting average of .453
Scored 57 runs and drove in 49 from the lead-off spot. 

Pretty outstanding numbers for a lead-off hitter, clearly the kid that got that high octane offense going day in and day out, oh and he was a rock in CF defensively

Just saying that he prob should of been on the honorable mention list at least
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: AlleyCat on May 20, 2009, 10:51:16 AM
What about Mondo from RPI

11-3 92 ip 93 k's second in the nation in wins, ranked in every category for pitchers by the NCAA
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: d3ball32 on May 20, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Mondo's numbers do look like they would put him on the bubble- his ERA puts him towards the bottom but his stats do compete with some guys on the list.

Perkins simply doesnt have the power or RBI numbers to make the list
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: coachmilburn on May 20, 2009, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: cutter on May 20, 2009, 07:27:38 AM
d-nut--i agree...Emr, was by far the best player in the south regional...taking nothing away from brashears...its a shame to see only the salisbury guys get the recognition...all americans step up when it matters, and Emr--along with the shendo boys did that...the salisbury boys did not.

I think ? you have to be recognized as ALL-CONFERENCE before you can be recognized for ALL-REGION and ALL-AMERICAN.  SU got slighted in the ALL-USA-SOUTH selections with just 1 making 1st or 2nd team with Josh Simons.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 20, 2009, 08:36:34 PM
^^^ unless things shave changed recently, the only requirements are for the ABCA awards.  You have to be FIRST Team ABCA All-Region to be awarded any type of All-American mention (first, second, third team).  You don't HAVE to be an all-conference selection, but it would make sense that the athletes selected to all-conference teams would get much more consideration.

As far as the d3baseball.com teams go, you would have to get clarification on the requirements from Ralph, Jim, or someone whose involved.  My guess is that there aren't any requirements...but that's just my guess.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: baseballcrazy on May 20, 2009, 10:20:03 PM
One for the record books...or maybe two or three


http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/news/0520
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: ECSUalum on May 21, 2009, 03:28:57 PM
Congrats to Shawn and Mel for thier All- American recognition!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: BigPoppa on May 22, 2009, 09:28:37 AM
Anybody attend the All-American banquest last night in Appleton? I am curious to know the ABCA All-American teams to see how they stack up against the D3baseball.com teams.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: LA Mike on May 22, 2009, 04:18:18 PM
It looks like the 2008 list was posted after the Championships were completed at the end of May.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 All-Americans
Post by: Bronko7 on May 22, 2009, 04:48:32 PM
http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2009/BaseHits/2009AllAmericans.html

It's already up!
Title: BB: Candidates for All-American Teams
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2009, 05:43:09 AM
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