So I had a little time to kill but thought I would make an all region team as of right now-basically a list of guys to watch but only 1 player per position with 5 pitchers. I did this rather quickly and crudely so feel free to throw out other people that I most likely missed.
I mainly looked at average and slugging for hitters to be fair if some people played more games. I think most of the hitters have an average close to or above .400 and slugging above .650. Pitchers W/L, era, K/BB ratio.
C- Doug Coe USP: .432 7 HRS
1B- Sean Claugherty CSS: .448 6 HRS
2B- Dan Kaczrowski Hamline: .469
3B- Nick Beaman Ripon: .424 6 HRS
SS- Justin Bushong USP: .398 5 HRS
3 OF-
Chris Bullis UST: .613 avg
Andrew Bennett Hamline: .412 6 HRS
Storm Gram LaCrosse: .396 3HRS
5 SP-
Peter Burg CSS: 6-0 3.01era 38/9 K/BB
Jeremy Rubens UWO: 6-1 2.47era
Adam Dominick UWW: 5-1 1.74era 38/6 K/BB
Josh Roiger Hamline: 4-2 1.67era 53/7 K/BB
Joe Lange Platteville: 3-1 1.69era 34/13 K/BB
Just to pick 3 Honorable mentions
Matt Pexa UST
Adam Frost St Norbert
Darrin Carlson CSS
All are definitely deserving, but I'll take Frost over Bushong, UWO's Brad Demmin over Claugherty, and WW's Aaron Dott over Roiger (admitted never seen him pitch, though) or Lange.
Frost is better, Demmin is slugging about .700, and Dott is plain filthy.
Quote from: OshDude on April 19, 2008, 09:40:23 PM
All are definitely deserving, but I'll take Frost over Bushong, UWO's Brad Demmin over Claugherty, and WW's Aaron Dott over Roiger (admitted never seen him pitch, though) or Lange.
Frost is better, Demmin is slugging about .700, and Dott is plain filthy.
I agree I think Frost is better and will more likely be all region. Claugherty is better than Demmin in my opinion and slugging .850 not to mention he hit an oppo bomb at the dome impressed me enough. Ive never seen Roiger pitcher but stats impressive Dotts not as much. It was kind of hard simply cuz havent seen some guys place before.
But I did it mainly on stats if it was the best players obviously Dott, Adian Kummett, Lonnie Robinson would be on there.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 19, 2008, 09:48:51 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 19, 2008, 09:40:23 PM
All are definitely deserving, but I'll take Frost over Bushong, UWO's Brad Demmin over Claugherty, and WW's Aaron Dott over Roiger (admitted never seen him pitch, though) or Lange.
Frost is better, Demmin is slugging about .700, and Dott is plain filthy.
I agree I think Frost is better and will more likely be all region. Claugherty is better than Demmin in my opinion and slugging .850 not to mention he hit an oppo bomb at the dome impressed me enough. Ive never seen Roiger pitcher but stats impressive Dotts not as much. It was kind of hard simply cuz havent seen some guys place before.
But I did it mainly on stats if it was the best players obviously Dott, Adian Kummett, Lonnie Robinson would be on there.
I hope you get a chance to see Dott throw sometime. When he's not in one of his walkfest funks, it's silly how good he is.
Quote from: OshDude on April 19, 2008, 09:40:23 PM
WW's Aaron Dott over Roiger (admitted never seen him pitch, though) or Lange.
Hamlines Josh Roiger threw a 4 hit shutout with no walks tonight against St. Thomas so looks like he is for real.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 22, 2008, 09:40:05 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 19, 2008, 09:40:23 PM
WW's Aaron Dott over Roiger (admitted never seen him pitch, though) or Lange.
Hamlines Josh Roiger threw a 4 hit shutout with no walks tonight against St. Thomas so looks like he is for real.
Yep, that's good enough for me. Make it Lange, then.
That Hamline sweep makes things interesting in the MIAC ... and for St. Thomas. What a series for Hamline. A go-ahead two-out, three-run homer in the last inning of Game 1 leads to a win in Game 2 against a team that doesn't lose home conference games. Hamline release says StT was swept for the first time in 62 MIAC DH's (six seasons). StT was last swept at home 10 years ago.
EDIT: I saw this "MIAC Profiles of Excellence: Josh Roiger" on Hamline's schedule page. Turns out he looked at going to St. Thomas.
http://www.collegesportingnews.com/article.asp?articleid=91068 (http://www.collegesportingnews.com/article.asp?articleid=91068)
Roiger has always gone out of his way to stick it to Denning since Denning wouldn't recruit him out of hs and has done a pretty good job of it:
2008: W, 7ip, 0er, 4h, 0bb, 4k & S, 1ip, 0er, 1h, 0bb, 2k
2007: W, 6ip, 2er, 5h, 1bb, 5k & L, 2ip, 2er, 2h, 1bb, 2k (started game2 after pitching 6inn game1)
2006: W, 7ip, 2er, 4h, 0bb, 6k & W, 9ip, 1er, 12h, 1bb, 7k (in playoffs)
2005: ND, 1.1ip, 2er, 3h, 0bb, 1k
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 23, 2008, 07:15:23 AM
Roiger has always gone out of his way to stick it to Denning since Denning wouldn't recruit him out of hs and has done a pretty good job of it:
2008: W, 7ip, 0er, 4h, 0bb, 4k & S, 1ip, 0er, 1h, 0bb, 2k
2007: W, 6ip, 2er, 5h, 1bb, 5k & L, 2ip, 2er, 2h, 1bb, 2k (started game2 after pitching 6inn game1)
2006: W, 7ip, 2er, 4h, 0bb, 6k & W, 9ip, 1er, 12h, 1bb, 7k (in playoffs)
2005: ND, 1.1ip, 2er, 3h, 0bb, 1k
That's awesome! +1
I like Roiger as much as Aaron Dott now. Wish I could have seen him pitch. Sounds like a bulldog, with your post and the profile as evidence. Who knows, maybe I'll see him in Oshkosh at regionals ...
i used to play for st. thomas and roiger always does seem to pitch really well against us. He used to be sort of a quirky junkballin lefty. I was at the game yesterday and he definately is bringing it harder than he used to. Still, his game is control and groundballs - think tom glavine
The kid can spot up as good as anybody in the conference. He will not overpower you. College coaches need to take notice at guys like this as much as the guys that light up the gun.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 19, 2008, 09:21:04 PM
C- Doug Coe USP: .432 7 HRS
1B- Sean Claugherty CSS: .448 6 HRS
2B- Dan Kaczrowski Hamline: .469
3B- Nick Beaman Ripon: .424 6 HRS
SS- Justin Bushong USP: .398 5 HRS
3 OF-
Chris Bullis UST: .613 avg
Andrew Bennett Hamline: .412 6 HRS
Storm Gram LaCrosse: .396 3HRS
5 SP-
Peter Burg CSS: 6-0 3.01era 38/9 K/BB
Jeremy Rubens UWO: 6-1 2.47era
Adam Dominick UWW: 5-1 1.74era 38/6 K/BB
Josh Roiger Hamline: 4-2 1.67era 53/7 K/BB
Joe Lange Platteville: 3-1 1.69era 34/13 K/BB
Just to pick 3 Honorable mentions
Matt Pexa UST
Adam Frost St Norbert
Darrin Carlson CSS
Looks pretty good. I might slip Kyle Johnson, the big catcher from Concordia-Moorhead somewhere in there too; he's having an excellent year, especially in conf.
I'm not too sure about your pitching selections though. Personally, seeing a lot of UMAC, MIAC, and WIAC teams play I would have to leave Burg and maybe Rubens off the list. I don't like Rubens because he's primarily a reliever. Unless there's a spot for reliever, I would keep one off. Not taking anything away from him because he's a solid pitcher; however, for a reliever to get onto the list, he should have lights out numbers... and a .250 BA against, with only 22 k's in 57 innings isn't too special. Again, not taking anything away; still, there might be better candidates. I'm not sure I'm that overly impressed with Burg's stuff and his stats may be misleading considering the teams in the UMAC.
There might be better candidates. My all-region would probably be at this point:
C- Doug Coe USP
C- Matt Pexa St Thomas
IF- Sean Claugherty CSS
IF- Darrin Carlson CSS
IF- Dan Kaczrowski Hamline
IF-Dan Leslie St Thomas
IF- Nick Beaman Ripon
OF- Andrew Bennett Hamline
OF-Chris Bullis St Thomas
OF- Storm Gram UW Lax
OF- Jared Yost St. Norbert
SP- Josh Roiger Hamline (5-2, 3 saves, 59 k's/51 inn, 1.41 ERA)
SP- Adam Dominick Whitewater (7-1, 56 k's/52 inn, 1.71 ERA)
SP- Aaron Dott Whitewater (5-0, 58 k's/43 inn, 2.72 ERA, .185 BA against)
SP- James Murrey Macalester (6-1, 1 save, 51 k's/42 inn, 1.93 ERA, .175 BA against)
RP*- Jeremy Rubens (8-1, 15 Apps., 2.21 ERA)
Honorables:
Kyle Johnson
Adam Frost
Darrin Carlson
Quote from: supermiac on April 25, 2008, 03:19:10 AM
I'm not too sure about your pitching selections though. Personally, seeing a lot of UMAC, MIAC, and WIAC teams play I would have to leave Burg and maybe Rubens off the list. I don't like Rubens because he's primarily a reliever. Unless there's a spot for reliever, I would keep one off. Not taking anything away from him because he's a solid pitcher; however, for a reliever to get onto the list, he should have lights out numbers... and a .250 BA against, with only 22 k's in 57 innings isn't too special. Again, not taking anything away; still, there might be better candidates. I'm not sure I'm that overly impressed with Burg's stuff and his stats may be misleading considering the teams in the UMAC.
You might be in the minority there. At least I hope you are. Or are you trying to stir something up?
Burg is 7-0 (top 30 nationally in wins) and has beaten St. Thomas, Alvernia and Oshkosh, all regionally ranked teams. Nothing misleading about that, is there?
Rubens is the current
national pitcher of the week, is 8-1 (top 20 nationally in wins), has completed and won all three of his starts (over St. Thomas, Whitewater and Stevens Point) and is in the top 30 nationally in saves. All that and more (like a top-70 2.21 ERA) for the top ranked team in the region. I don't think you understand how Oshkosh uses its ace. Rubens is primarily a reliever until the biggest games.
Now, are you
still deciding how good those two guys are?
I would take Ruebens and Burg on my team and feel pretty damn good pitching either one of them against the best teams in the country. Burg might not throw hard and dazzle you by lighting up the gun, but the kid hits spots, changes it up, and just plain gets people out. Ruebens numbers speak for themself and if you have seen the kid pitch, you would know he is more than deserving of an all region spot.
Haven't seen Burg pitch, but no doubt Reubens belongs on the list. I am a believer after seeing him pitch against Point the last 2 weeks.
Yea you would be pretty crazy to leave Burg and Rubens off the list. They have shown that they can get it done against the best teams. Rubens has even relieved the 1st game of a DH and started the 2nd game and gone the distance and won. His 3 starting wins are pretty solid
Burg might have some wins against the UMAC but still doesnt matter because like Oshdude said he has beat 3 regional teams in Oshkosh, Alvernia, and Thomas.
Obviously stats will change week by week so list can always change. I would not put Dan Leslie personally due to a low slugging % and OB% two stats that I sometmes believe are more important than avg. Plus obiously he loves to swing away since he only has 2 walks
I kept Ruebens on the list. I know he's a good pitcher; I just wouldn't say that he's a true starting pitcher and you can't give him that spot on a squad if he only starts 3 games a year. I've seen him pitch and know he's a solid pitcher, I just questioned the merits of putting a good reliever on a list meant for starting pitchers, which is what someone had done before. 8 wins can be very misleading too when you are a reliever.
However, I'm still not convinced Burg is an automatic all-region pick. His numbers may or may not call for it; his big wins definitely would call for it. BUT, he did pitch against St. Thomas in the beginning off the season (St. Thomas didn't start hitting until mid-season after their spring trip); and in his wins against Alvernia and Oshkosh, he certainly did not pitch gems, while his offense scored more 10+ runs both times. Like in regional seeding, a win like that is a win, but you kind of have to look behind it just like you look at stats when comparing players. I could easily say that I would want any pitcher on my list pitching against Alvernia or Oshkosh if they were expected to give up 4 ER's through the game, regardless of what my offense produces. Again, good pitcher...but I question whether he should be on the squad.
I think Dan Leslie should be on the list too. He is a super aggressive hitter and that's what I like about him. If you look at his stats too, he only struck out 3 times too. Plus hitting .420+ ain't nothin to be ashamed of either. I wish he hadn't injured his arm, because he's a very good pitcher too; would have definitely been worthy of atleast a UTIL spot on an all-region squad.
My only question would be does the All Region differentiate between starting and relief pitchers? If it is just pitchers, I would argue that Rubens is one of the top pitchers in the Midwest Region, regardless of whether a starter or reliever, and has EARNED a spot on anyone's list.
Ruebens & Burg are in enough said..should Lonnie robinson be left off because he didnt play for the first part? Since when does being a reliever or pitching opening day have anything to do with it. We might as well account for weather and say "well it was on 5 days rest, it was raining, he had a hang nail, they were using worth baseballs and he was not feeling fresh and they lost" so dont count it against him. Get over it.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 25, 2008, 01:09:46 PM
Ruebens & Burg are in enough said..should Lonnie robinson be left off because he didnt play for the first part? Since when does being a reliever or pitching opening day have anything to do with it. We might as well account for weather and say "well it was on 5 days rest, it was raining, he had a hang nail, they were using worth baseballs and he was not feeling fresh and they lost" so dont count it against him. Get over it.
I have Ruebens on my team. I didn't know what the criteria was for pitchers. I'm sure there are other pitchers who could have pitched as a long reliever for the year and done just as well as he did (as his
statistics really are not all-region caliber; AND I don't consider wins a relevant statistic for a reliever anyways) I judged every player on that team I listed from both their statistics and their overall talent. If the category for pitchers was simply "pitcher," then he would be on the team; if it was "starting pitcher," he wouldn't because he started 3 games. I don't see how that causes any calamity.
And I still don't agree that Peter Burg is a shoe-in. The ends really do not justify the means in baseball in my opinion; especially when I'm trying to understand "talent." I think his win against St. Thomas was pretty solid; granted it was the first game of the year. However, the other two games mentioned weren't even close games. As I'll reiterate AGAIN, I think any of the pitchers I mentioned on MY all-region team could give up 4 or less ERs against Alvernia and Oshkosh after seeing all of them pitch. Granted, Peter Burg DID do it; so he deserves some credit, but all-region? I honestly can't say for sure.
And Lonnie Robinson lost any chance of all-region honors by giving up 9 ERs in 4 innings at St. Olaf; not because he was playing basketball in the beginning of the year.
Quote from: supermiac on April 25, 2008, 03:36:01 PM
I have Ruebens on my team. I didn't know what the criteria was for pitchers. I'm sure there are other pitchers who could have pitched as a long reliever for the year and done just as well as he did (as his statistics really are not all-region caliber; AND I don't consider wins a relevant statistic for a reliever anyways)
His three starts and all COMPLETE GAME wins are against St. Thomas, Whitewater, and Stevens Point, not exactly chopped liver.
What statistics that Rubens has put up aren't All Region? His 2.21 ERA? His 3-to-1 K/BB ratio?
Quote from: supermiac on April 25, 2008, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 25, 2008, 01:09:46 PM
Ruebens & Burg are in enough said..should Lonnie robinson be left off because he didnt play for the first part? Since when does being a reliever or pitching opening day have anything to do with it. We might as well account for weather and say "well it was on 5 days rest, it was raining, he had a hang nail, they were using worth baseballs and he was not feeling fresh and they lost" so dont count it against him. Get over it.
I have Ruebens on my team. I didn't know what the criteria was for pitchers. I'm sure there are other pitchers who could have pitched as a long reliever for the year and done just as well as he did (as his statistics really are not all-region caliber; AND I don't consider wins a relevant statistic for a reliever anyways) I judged every player on that team I listed from both their statistics and their overall talent. If the category for pitchers was simply "pitcher," then he would be on the team; if it was "starting pitcher," he wouldn't because he started 3 games. I don't see how that causes any calamity.
And I still don't agree that Peter Burg is a shoe-in. The ends really do not justify the means in baseball in my opinion; especially when I'm trying to understand "talent." I think his win against St. Thomas was pretty solid; granted it was the first game of the year. However, the other two games mentioned weren't even close games. As I'll reiterate AGAIN, I think any of the pitchers I mentioned on MY all-region team could give up 4 or less ERs against Alvernia and Oshkosh after seeing all of them pitch. Granted, Peter Burg DID do it; so he deserves some credit, but all-region? I honestly can't say for sure.
And Lonnie Robinson lost any chance of all-region honors by giving up 9 ERs in 4 innings at St. Olaf; not because he was playing basketball in the beginning of the year.
Well I think you are the lone wolf on this one. A 3.00 era against 3 top teams is pretty good so Ill take that anyday from Burg. You could pick apart every pitcher in some aspect. And when Burg gave up 4 earned against Oshkosh, he was feeding them 75 mph fastballs to get the game over before the domes time limit and gave up 3 in the last inning.
For example Aaron Dott gave up 7 runs in 2.2 inning against Stout but I would consider him one of the best in the region
And you said any of those pitchers on your list could give up less than 4 earned runs against Oshkosh well Dominick gave up 5 earned runs in 4 innings against Oshkosh
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Well I think you are the lone wolf on this one. A 3.00 era against 3 top teams is pretty good so Ill take that anyday from Burg. You could pick apart every pitcher in some aspect. And when Burg gave up 4 earned against Oshkosh, he was feeding them 75 mph fastballs to get the game over before the domes time limit and gave up 3 in the last inning.
For example Aaron Dott gave up 7 runs in 2.2 inning against Stout but I would consider him one of the best in the region
And you said any of those pitchers on your list could give up less than 4 earned runs against Oshkosh well Dominick gave up 5 earned runs in 4 innings against Oshkosh
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That doesn't really make much sense to begin; he wouldn't be tossing in grapefruits if they wanted to get the game in. I'm not sure why this argument got so animated to begin with; I gave my point-of-view and suddenly that elicited a frenzy here. I simply said that Burg isn't a shoe-in and Rubens makes all-region depending on whether they count pitchers as pitchers, or solely starters. It's even more impressive that Dominick has the numbers he does after giving up 5 ERs in 4 innings; but that doesn't change what I said in the beginning: that the pitchers I listed could definitely perform at the same level against top competition as Burg. Just because there's some anecdotal incident regarding a different pitcher doesn't change that.
Quote from: supermiac on April 25, 2008, 04:27:22 PM
Well I think you are the lone wolf on this one. A 3.00 era against 3 top teams is pretty good so Ill take that anyday from Burg. You could pick apart every pitcher in some aspect.
And when Burg gave up 4 earned against Oshkosh, he was feeding them 75 mph fastballs to get the game over before the domes time limit and gave up 3 in the last inning. For example Aaron Dott gave up 7 runs in 2.2 inning against Stout but I would consider him one of the best in the region
And you said any of those pitchers on your list could give up less than 4 earned runs against Oshkosh well Dominick gave up 5 earned runs in 4 innings against Oshkosh
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That doesn't really make much sense to begin; he wouldn't be tossing in grapefruits if they wanted to get the game in. I'm not sure why this argument got so animated to begin with; I gave my point-of-view and suddenly that elicited a frenzy here. I simply said that Burg isn't a shoe-in and Rubens makes all-region depending on whether they count pitchers as pitchers, or solely starters. It's even more impressive that Dominick has the numbers he does after giving up 5 ERs in 4 innings; but that doesn't change what I said in the beginning: that the pitchers I listed could definitely perform at the same level against top competition as Burg. Just because there's some anecdotal incident regarding a different pitcher doesn't change that.
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The situation that arose was CSS was up by a lot against Oshkosh but they were approaching the time limit so wanted to get the game. CSS was getting out intentionally and when Burg was pitching he would catch and pitch before the time limit was up. So actually does make a lot of sense and this has been well talked about in the past. I just thought it was funny that you said that your SP would do better when it was proven where they didnt. I tend to rely on facts and not just opinion thats all im saying...but you are right this whole thing has been talked about enough
Quote from: supermiac on April 25, 2008, 04:27:22 PM
That doesn't really make much sense to begin; he wouldn't be tossing in grapefruits if they wanted to get the game in.
He did, though. That was precisely the case. CSS pounded Oshkosh early and Burg basically threw BP and one warmup pitch between innings (according to the CSS broadcast) to get the game over. CSS and Burg beat the clock and UWO by one minute in doing so.
I think your points are valid on some levels, but you picked the wrong year and/or the wrong pitchers to make your points IMO. But to say that pitchers A and B would hypothetically match Burg's performances against top teams is rather silly, no? Convenient, for sure. But also silly, baseless and pointless.
There is an All-American spot for a reliever this season. I would assume that means there will be a reliever spot on the all-region teams as well. Maybe not. All-American for sure, though.
ERA W-L APP GS CG SHO/CBO SV IPH R ER BB SO 2B 3B HR AB B/Avg
34 Burg, Peter...... 0.69 2-0 3 3 1 0/0 0 13.0 4 1 1 0 12 0 0 1 41 .098
These are his conference stats. Only 13 innings and 3 starts so its not like he is padding his stats with the UMAC competition. With CSS's ace, kummet, struggling against top competition peter burgs wins against those top 25 teams is a huge boost for them. This crafty lefty would be on my all region team for sure.
I think supermiac is by himself leaving both ruebens and burg off the all region team.
So its been about 2 weeks since last all region team, things have changed a little but a lot the same. Based it on Avg and slug%. Pitching W/L, ERA, K/BB
C- Doug Coe USP: .432 10 HRS .793slug%
1B- Sean Claugherty CSS: .450 8 HRS .860slug%
2B- Dan Kaczrowski Hamline: .466 5HRS .740slug%
3B- Nick Beaman Ripon: .412 7 HRS .775slug%
SS-Adam Frost St Norbert .431 avg 7HRS .732 slug%
4 OF (softball rules)-
Chris Bullis UST: .489 avg .717slug%
Andrew Bennett Hamline: .402 8 HRS .761slug%
Steve Kraushaar CSS .398avg 7HRS .785slug%
Jared Yost St Norbert.414avg 8HRS .758slug%
5 SP-
Peter Burg CSS: 8-0 2.77era 44/10 K/BB
Jeremy Rubens UWO: 8-1 7SVs 2.13era
Adam Dominick UWW: 8-1 1.61era 68/13 K/BB
Josh Roiger Hamline: 6-2 1.40era 65/8 K/BB
Aaron Dott UWW: 5-0 2.72 era 58/28 K/BB
Just to pick 3 Honorable mentions
Matt Pexa UST .445avg .700slug%
Darrin Carlson CSS .426avg 4HRS .733slug%
Billy Johnson UWW .476 avg 4HRS
Regional Player of the year as of now Sean Claugherty CSS--couple guys that could be here though
Regional Pitcher of the year as of now Adam Dominick--barely beats out Roiger and Rubens
I like Kaczrowski over Frost at SS and to place guys where they play. I think you gotta make a choice at SS and find a 2B, just like you made the choice of Coe over Johnson at C. In that case, my 2B would be Illinois College's Clint Wherley (may be able to put Bennett at 2B ... or 3B for that matter).
If you create a DH spot for Coe and put Johnson on there, put Bennett at 2B and add an OF, I'd take that team against any other region's team any day, any time, anywhere.
I also like Whitewater's Kevin Zalnis at 3B, Oshkosh's Brad Demmin at 1B, and La Crosse's Storm Gram and/or Whitewater's Ben Prather over the last two OF, but those are all close and very debatable.
Quote from: OshDude on May 02, 2008, 06:50:09 PM
I like Kaczrowski over Frost at SS and to place guys where they play. I think you gotta make a choice at SS and find a 2B, just like you made the choice of Coe over Johnson at C. In that case, my 2B would be Illinois College's Clint Wherley (may be able to put Bennett at 2B ... or 3B for that matter).
If you create a DH spot for Coe and put Johnson on there, put Bennett at 2B and add an OF, I'd take that team against any other region's team any day, any time, anywhere.
I also like Whitewater's Kevin Zalnis at 3B, Oshkosh's Brad Demmin at 1B, and La Crosse's Storm Gram and/or Whitewater's Ben Prather over the last two OF, but those are all close and very debatable.
See thats where I ran into the problem because I went by positions according to their team roster. I know Coe has not really played catcher but thats his position usually and Kazrowski is listed as a 2b but has been playing short so I did not know if he was splitting time or every game at SS.
Storm Gram was on my prior list but slug is .605 doesnt cut it in my book and neither does Ben Prathers .515. Kevin Zalnis has a pretty good slug but avg is somewhat weak. Demmin should of at least been mentioned as an honerable mention and think he is a very good player all around but as of now his stats dont compare to Claughertys
Basically I think a high slug % is better than a high average and believe most coaches will tell you the same thing. In fact I believe most coaches look at slug% and SLOB (slug + OB) as the most important stats. I did not do it, but would think the guys I listed would have the highest SLOBs.
My method is not exact or anything but gives everyone a list of the numbers guys are putting up.
Last all region team
C- Doug Coe USP: .426 13 HRS .806slug%
1B- Sean Claugherty CSS: .462 9 HRS .874slug%
2B- Andrew Bennett Hamline: .403 8 HRS .741slug%
3B- Nick Beaman Ripon: .385 7 HRS .709slug%
SS- Dan Kaczrowski Hamline: .477 5HRS .735slug%
3 OF
Chris Bullis UST: .509 avg .754slug%
Jared Yost St Norbert .395avg 9HRS .728slug%
Steve Kraushaar CSS .383avg 9HRS .791slug%
5 SP-
Peter Burg CSS: 10-0 2.35era 59/13 K/BB
Jeremy Rubens UWO: 10-2 7SVs 2.27era 37/10 K/BB
Adam Dominick UWW: 9-2 3.36era 82/16 K/BB
Josh Roiger Hamline: 7-3 1.86era 81/11 K/BB
Aaron Dott UWW: 6-1 3.49 era 75/38 K/BB
Just to pick some Honorable mentions
Matt Pexa UST .453avg .664slug%
Darrin Carlson CSS .424avg 5HRS .746slug%
Billy Johnson UWW .429 avg 7HRS .669slug%
Kevin Zalnis UWW .370avg 14HRs .733 slug%
Kyle Johnson Concordia C .450avg 5HRs .725 slug%
Jason Infusino Carroll C .431avg 5HRS .740slug%
Adam Frost St Norbert .407 avg 7HRS .679slug%
Brad Demmin UWO .404 8HRs .722slug%
Player-Sean Claugherty
Pitcher-Jeremy Rubens/Josh Roiger
Your list is pretty nice, but I would add UWO 1B Brad Demmin.... When you look at his numbers, (.404 8 HR's, .722 slug%) they are comparable to some of your HM players, and I would argue he faces tougher pitching than the guys from St. Norbert and Carroll.
Quote from: cubs on May 11, 2008, 09:18:01 PM
Your list is pretty nice, but I would add UWO 1B Brad Demmin.... When you look at his numbers, (.404 8 HR's, .722 slug%) they are comparable to some of your HM players, and I would argue he faces tougher pitching than the guys from St. Norbert and Carroll.
Thank you, he was suppose to be on there. I had a couple errors on my last one but edited so all the stats are correct now.
Its really difficult to compare players IMO. Some teams face tougher competition but then some teams player in hitter friendly ball parks, but it might equal itself all out over time.
Zalnis over Beaman. Coe POY. I'll abide the rest.
Brandon Schiedler UWSP needs to be at least considered HM. He hit over 400 in the toughest D3 conference in D3.
When does All-region come out?
Quote from: supermiac on May 19, 2008, 07:43:23 PM
When does All-region come out?
Think they are already out, they just are not usully posted online. Usually the coaches know so just need someone to find out from them i guess
I remember when listening to a broadcast that they read some information from it during the regional. Doesnt someone have some connections to a coach who can get the list?
Quote from: dukes on May 20, 2008, 02:04:51 PM
I remember when listening to a broadcast that they read some information from it during the regional. Doesnt someone have some connections to a coach who can get the list?
Im sure there are, but do you want to go up to a coach and ask him for the list after his season has ended...for me I would not want to be the one!...yea i heard some mentions of all region players too
Baseballfan, The American Baseball Coaches All Region team is published and it can be found on their website abca.org. Click on the awards tab, then all region and finally NCAA DIII. However I'd wait a while because right now the 2008, if it has been named, is not listed. 2007 is there though.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 20, 2008, 06:22:25 PM
Baseballfan, The American Baseball Coaches All Region team is published and it can be found on their website abca.org. Click on the awards tab, then all region and finally NCAA DIII. However I'd wait a while because right now the 2008, if it has been named, is not listed. 2007 is there though.
Correct but usually takes them awhile to do this though!
Well Im searching long and hard for the midwest all region team but still having no success so far. After looking at most team sites I found only on CSSs that they listed their all region players
1st Team
Sean Claugherty
Steve Kraushaar
Peter Burg
2nd Team
Blake Eller
Adian Kummet
3rd Team
Darrin Carlson
From UW-Whitewater's baseball website, Warhawks named All-Region (http://www.uwwsports.com/News/baseball/2008/5/22/baseball5222008_AllRegion.asp?path=baseball):
First team:
Adam Dominick, Pitcher
Billy Johnson, Catcher
Second Team:
Aaron Dott, Pitcher
Jordan Stine, OF
Kevin Zalnis, 3B
Thrid team:
Ben Prather, OF
Thank you guys! Any word on Region Player of the Year? I am thinking Coe, with his numbers. Initially I thought Claugherty, but it didnt say anything on their website. Both would be deserving!
Well the selections weren't too far off. I looked back through the previous posts and noticed one name that was mentioned that wasn't even selected.
Clint Wherley from IC, in looking further he seems to be the only player in the Region in the top 5 in the nation in a category. 2nd in the nation in doubles per game. 407 ave, 18 doubles, 626 slg%, 951 fld %. Looks like his stats were right their with Frost. Thoughts?
Quote from: touchemall on June 06, 2008, 06:57:14 PM
Well the selections weren't too far off. I looked back through the previous posts and noticed one name that was mentioned that wasn't even selected.
Clint Wherley from IC, in looking further he seems to be the only player in the Region in the top 5 in the nation in a category. 2nd in the nation in doubles per game. 407 ave, 18 doubles, 626 slg%, 951 fld %. Looks like his stats were right their with Frost. Thoughts?
Compared to Frost, his RBIs, runs, and SBs were substantially less and I noticed he DH quite a few games or played 2nd...not sure if he is a SS normally...i would still like to see a complete list of all midwest region
The ABCA All-Midwest Teams. Found it on the Point site.
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/Pdfs/baseball/2008/5/28/2008_ABCA_All-Midwest.pdf (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/Pdfs/baseball/2008/5/28/2008_ABCA_All-Midwest.pdf)
Good point on RBI's and SB's....As for the Dh/2nd base....I believe I read he had an arm injury but that he ways a SS. I've always felt it is better to look at ob% and slg%.....RBI's are subject to someone else being on base in additon SB's are also subject to having a clear path in front to run or having someone who can run with you. It looks like Frost played in more games. Not taking anything away from Frost he must be very good given his draft today, just drawing a comparison...... a previous post mentioned Wherley. 18 doubles in 30 games is something though. Just surprised he wasn't on the list.
Here is the list.......
2008 ABCA/Rawlings NCAA Division III All-Midwest Region Baseball Team (50)
First Team (15)
Pos. Name Yr. School
OF Chris Bullis* Sr. University of St. Thomas (Minn.)
P Peter Burg Jr. College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
3B Brandon Carr& Sr. Bethel University (Minn.)
1B Sean Claugherty So. College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
C Doug Coe& Sr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
1B Brad Demmin* Jr. University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
P Adam Dominick& Sr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
C Billy Johnson Sr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
SS Dan Kaczrowski Jr. Hamline University (Minn.)
OF Steve Kraushaar# Sr. College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
3B Dan Leslie# Jr. University of St. Thomas (Minn.)
C Matt Pexa* Sr. University of St. Thomas (Minn.)
P Lonnie Robinson# Sr. University of St. Thomas (Minn.)
P Josh Roiger& Sr. Hamline University (Minn.)
P Jeremy Rubens So. University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
Second Team (19)
Pos. Name Yr. School
OF Adam Baran So. Illinois College
OF Paul Bennett Sr. Knox College (Ill.)
SS Justin Bushong Sr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
P Aaron Dott So. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
OF Blake Eller* Sr. College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
OF Nolan Fadness Fr. University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
SS Adam Frost* Jr. St. Norbert College (Wis.)
P Trevin Hillesheim So. St. Norbert College (Wis.)
C Kyle Johnson Jr. Concordia University (Minn.)
OF Tyler Jones So. St. Olaf College (Minn.)
2B Kyle Kannenberg So. University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
P Travis Kempf Sr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
P Adian Kummet Jr. College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
UT Todd Mathison#= Jr. St. Olaf College (Minn.)
OF Brandon Scheidler# Sr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
OF Jordan Stine& Jr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
P Mike Thrun Sr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
1B Tom Wippler So. University of St. Thomas (Minn.)
3B Kevin Zalnis Jr. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
Third Team (16)
Pos. Name Yr. School
3B Nick Beaman Fr. Ripon College (Wis.)
UT Andrew Bennett Sr. Hamline University (Minn.)
2B Darrin Carlson Sr. College of St. Scholastica (Minn.)
DH Alex Duros Jr. Ripon College (Wis.)
3B Devin English So. Macalester College (Minn.)
OF Storm Gram Jr. University of Wisconsin-La Crosse
SS Justin Heinbigner Sr. St. John's University (Minn.)
OF Jason Infusino Sr. Carroll College (Wis.)
P Adam Johnson So. Concordia University (Minn.)
1B Jay Melson Jr. Carleton College (Minn.)
P James Murrey So. Macalester College (Minn.)
OF Ben Prather& So. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
OF Ben Smith Jr. Hamline University (Minn.)
OF Jared Surman Fr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
OF Jared Yost So. St. Norbert College (Wis.)
P Jeff Zielke Jr. University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
* - 2007 First Team # - 2007 Second Team
= - 2006 First Team & - 2006 Second Team
Thanks guys for the lists.
I agree with you that ob% and slug% are the best to look at. But when those stats are comparable you have to look at the other aspects. He significantly better stats in those areas. I agree with you somewhat that rbi/runs/sb depends on certain things. But both guys are in the same position in my opinion. Frost just took advantage of his opportunities. Another stat that was interesting was Wherley had 14 strikeouts and Frost 6.
Avg R RBIs HRs Slug Ob SB
Wherley .407 27 24 3 .626 .468 11/12 30 games
Frost .386 42 38 7 .641 .455 25/28 36
I have not looked at the stats of everyone on the 3rd team but would think Wherleys would compare somewhat. Do i think he should be a 1st teamer NO, Do i think he should be a 2nd teamer probably not, but possibly a 3rd teamer. I know his stats are not really that good compared to a couple 3rd teamers (Beamen, Bennett, Carlson, Infusino, Johnson) who i actually thought might be 2nd team
Good point.....interesting comparison with Bennet, who was from the same division of the conference and the POY in the south.
Avg R RBIs Hits 2b's HRs Slug Ob SB
Wherley .407 27 24 50 18 3 .626 .468 11/12 30 games
Bennet .375 34 26 48 12 7 .633 .488 5-8 40 games
Quote from: touchemall on June 07, 2008, 06:10:22 PM
Good point.....interesting comparison with Bennet, who was from the same division of the conference and the POY in the south.
Avg R RBIs Hits 2b's HRs Slug Ob SB
Wherley .407 27 24 50 18 3 .626 .468 11/12 30 games
Bennet .375 34 26 48 12 7 .633 .488 5-8 40 games
The thing that might of really hurt him was that he only played 30 games which is too bad, but its tough luck
Doug Coe was announced as the midwest POY
The right choice, only player that has stats somewhat close to him is Sean Claugherty
Another possibility from the Rawlings All Region list is Todd Mathison, who was Co-MIAC player of the year with Kaczrowski. Hit almost .400, .515 slugging, only 9 K's in 117 AB, in addition was top pitcher at 6-2 with 2.3 ERA and only 9 BB in 61+ inn. 3 time all region, frosh All American, plays 3B and SS for Oles as well as P.
The moment everyone has waited for all region players at this point in time, will most likely change as the season goes on, but here are some top performers. Feel free to throw some other guys out there that have good stats because I do this quickly and may miss a guy or two, but im usually pretty close with my selections of what actually happens.
C: Jay Slick BU .507 avg. 3HRS, 27 runs, SLUG .718%
1B: Sean Claugherty CSS .481 avg. 34 runs, SLUG .696%, OB% .615% (national leader)
2B: Couldnt find anyone worthy and got tired of looking, someone give me an option here
3B: Jay Fanta LAC .380avg 4HRs, 31RBIs, SLUG.650%
SS: Nate Wilson-Traesman MAC .436avg, 3HRs, 37RBIs, SLUG.644%
OF: Blake Berger UWO .392 avg. 9HRS, 38 RBIs, SLUG .753%
OF: Jonathan Olla CUW .479avg. 36 runs, 41RBIs, SLUG .698%
OF: Tim Oesterlin BU .455avg. 29 runs, SLUG .606%
SP: James Murrey MAC 5-2 2.09 era 63-12 (K-BB)
SP: Matt Schuld UST 6-0 2.80 era 49-10 (K-BB)
SP: Peter Burg CSS 8-0 2.25 era (10 pickoffs on the year)
SP: Adian Kummet CSS 4-1, 3 saves, 1.49 era 53-16 (K-BB)
SP: Jeff Zielke STP 3-0, 4 saves, 2.53 era 36-7 (K-BB)
Couple HM (I stopped at these 2 for now)
Doris Ashton SP BLC 5-0, 2.84 era 60-7 (K-BB)
Paul Kolodge C CSS .440 avg, 3HRS 34RBIs, SLUG .667%
How bout the CF for Bethany Lutheran in the UMAC
Ave AB R H 2b 3b Hr Rbi Tb Slg% OB% SB Att
19 Schwecke, Justin. .460 139 57 64 15 6 4 59 103 .741 .527 20-22
I think those numbers deserve consideration
...and he pitches
1.72 ERA over 15 innings...5 saves and 1 win
I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about Kyle Cummings for Stevens Point. Perhaps he will be all WIAC at 2nd base and possibly all region.
Schwecke's numbers are pretty outstanding, but I have to question the UMAC as whole. Outside of Scholastica it is hard to believe Bethany Lutheran faces many other quality pitchers, since Bethany itself typically has one of the better staffs in the conference. There is however no doubt that his numbers are worthy for all-region selection
Quote from: MIACFANATIC on May 11, 2009, 02:24:25 PM
Schwecke's numbers are pretty outstanding, but I have to question the UMAC as whole. Outside of Scholastica it is hard to believe Bethany Lutheran faces many other quality pitchers, since Bethany itself typically has one of the better staffs in the conference. There is however no doubt that his numbers are worthy for all-region selection
If I have the time i will update my all region selection, its very time consuming to sort through it all.
Im guessing Schwecke will be on it without looking at everyones numbers. BLC did play an easy schedule but they could definately swing it with the best of them.
I was looking at all of your lists.......... what about 4 players from concordia chicago.... OF Dan Linsner, SS Jack Walker, 3B Kyle Slechta, and DH Phil Seris?
Quote from: Bigslugfest9000 on May 18, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
I was looking at all of your lists.......... what about 4 players from concordia chicago.... OF Dan Linsner, SS Jack Walker, 3B Kyle Slechta, and DH Phil Seris?
Are you touting yourself Dan Linser?
Are the all-region teams out yet? If so, anyone care to post..?
St. Scholastica has the All Region Team Posted:
http://www.csssaints.com/documents/2009/5/27/09%20All-Midwest%20Baseball.pdf?id=346
Anyone else find it a little funny that Schuld is the region pitcher of the year and not the MIAC pitcher of the year? Yes, I understand the logic to a point.....but still think its whack
it's not whack at all... look at Schuld's conference statistics. not very impressive at all.
there were two pitchers who were a head above him in conference (Adams and Murray) and one (Adams) who threw 4 complete game shutouts against conf. teams, including St. Olaf and St. Thomas. i think that was pretty much expected.