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Title: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: Jeff Gamber on April 25, 2008, 08:05:04 AM
I'm doing a study on the likelihood of winning a conference regular season championship and the conference post season tournament championship. In the CAC the regular season champion has not won the post season conference tournament very often in the last 10 years.Does anyone know how many teams won both of these championships this past season in their conference?
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 25, 2008, 10:32:27 AM
The CCIW's postseason tournament is only three years old, but in two of those three years the league's champion (Augustana both times) has also gone on to win the tournament. In the inaugural CCIW tournament in 2005-06, league champion Augustana failed to hold home-court advantage and the tournament was won by North Central.
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: hopefan on April 25, 2008, 11:40:25 AM
ok Jeff, I'm always a sucker for this kind of trivia, and in  past seasons have done a writeup on this exact subject.

Of 42 D3 conferences, 21 had regular season champs go on to win conference tournaments, (the UAA has no Conference tourney)

Those were:

CCC  Curry (co champ during regular season)
NAC   Elms  (Division champ during regular season)
MASCAC     Salem State
Sky      Farmingdale State  (co champ during regular season)
Sunyac     Plattsburgh State
NEAC     Baptist Bible  (co champ during regular season)
MACF    King's   (Tri champ during regular season)
CC       Ursinus
AMCC    PSU Behrend
ODAC     Guilford
ASC      Mary Hardin Baylor   (Division winner during regular season)
GSAC    Maryville (Tn)
MIAA     Hope
PrAC     Bethany   (co champ during regular season)
CCIW    Augustana
MWC    Lawrence
MIAC   St Thomas
UMAC     Northwestern (Minn)
NWC   Whitworth
WIAC    UW Whitewater
NJAC   Richard Stockton (Division winner during regular season
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: hopefan on April 25, 2008, 11:55:01 AM
On the other hand, here are those that failed to win the confernce tourney after winning the regular season crown:

GNAC    Emerson regular season, Lasell tourney
NESCAC  Amherst Regualr season, Trinity touney
Newmac    WPI  Regular season,  Coast Guard  tourney
LEC  UMass Dartmouth regular season, Rhode Island College tourney
E8    Stevens Tech/ Ithaca cochamps regular season, Nazareth tourney
LL     St Lawrence regular season, Clarkson tourney
Cunyac   York NY/ Brooklyn co champs regular season, John Jay tourney
Landmark   Susquehanna regular season, Scranton tourney
MACC   Lycoming regular season, Widener tourney
PnAC   Alvernia regular season, Immaculata Tourney
CAC    York Pa regula season, St Marys Md tourney
SCAC   Centre regular season, Milsaps tourney
USAC   Methodist/Ferrum co champs regular season, Averett tourney
NCAC   Wooster regular season, Ohio Wesleyan tourney
OAC   Capital regular season, Heidelberg tourney
HCAC   Defiance regular season, Franklin tourney
NATHC   Aurora regular season, Lakeland tourney
SLIAC   Webster regualr season, Fontbonne tourney
IIAC    Buena Vista regular season, Loras tourney
SCIAC   Cal Lutheran/Occidental co champs regular season, Pomona Pitzer  tourney
UAA  no tourney
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 25, 2008, 01:12:13 PM
It's probably helpful to note how many teams qualify for the tournament in each case.
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 25, 2008, 01:14:11 PM
A note from Around the Nation earlier this year. Note this is, of course, from last season's results.

Seeds who won one-division conferences, in 2006-07
1 seed: Won 19 tournaments
2 seed: Won 5 tournaments
3 seed: Won 4 tournaments
4 seed: Won 4 tournaments
7 seed: Won 1 tournament

Two-division conferences
1 seed: Won 3 tournaments
2 seed: Won 1 tournament
3 seed: Won 1 tournament
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: Just Bill on April 25, 2008, 01:40:30 PM
hopefan, I think you omitted the WIAC.
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: hopefan on April 25, 2008, 01:49:10 PM
Bill   --   thanks much  -  I never go down the west page far enough  -  i have revised my posts
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: sac on April 25, 2008, 03:11:46 PM
The MIAA's had a tournament for 17 seasons now, 11 as a 7 team conference, 6 as an 8 team conference.  In the first 6 tournaments the regular season champ dominated winning all 6, since 1998 the regular season champ has only won 3 of the 11 tournaments, with 1 tournament being won by the lower seeded co-champ, and 1 by the higher seeded co-champ.

Hope's win in 2008 ended a 6 year run of defeats for the regular season champion.
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: hopefan on April 25, 2008, 03:30:20 PM
When I did this analysis in the past, I seem to remember similar results - league champs winning conference tourney  about 50% of the time  -    I would be amazed if any other conference could document a 6 year run of "upset" victors in the in the conference tourneys.....
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: Knightstalker on April 25, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
Hopefan, the NJAC has two divisions, WPU won the Northern Division and Stockton won the Southern and Stockton was the top seed in the Tournament.  By being top seed Stockton was the regular season champs of the NJAC, that would make 21 conferences where the regular season and tournament champs were one and the same.
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: hopefan on April 25, 2008, 04:51:28 PM
knightstalker  -  thanks, I'll adjust again  -
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 26, 2008, 02:03:29 PM
I think this is right.

6 of 10 tourneys the reg. season champ has won the tourney.  Interestingly, when the #1 seed makes it to the final, they've been unbeaten.

1999
#1 Platteville beat #6 Stout

2000
#1 Stevens Point beat #2 Eau Claire

2001
#4 Eau Claire beat #6 Oshkosh
#1 Whitewater lost in quarters

Stevens Point and Whitewater tied for 1st place

2002
#1 Oshkosh beats #3 Whitewater

Oshkosh, Stevens Point and Whitewater tied for 1st place

2003
#4 Oshkosh beats #2 Whitewater
#1 Stevens Point loses in semis

2004
#2 Stevens Point beats #4 Platteville
#1 River Falls loses in semis

2005
#2 Stevens Point beats #4 Whitewater
#1 Platteville loses in semis

*Stevens Point and Platteville tied for 1st place

2006
#1 Whitewater beats #2 Stout

2007
#1 Stevens Point beats #2 La Crosse

2008
#1 Whitewater beat #3 Stevens Point



Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on April 28, 2008, 02:27:08 PM
In 18 years of the Midwest Conference Tournament the Regular Season Champion has won it 14 times.

They won the first 9 and have since won 5 of the last 9.
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 02, 2008, 07:49:26 PM
Looks like the WIAC is going to a SIX-team tourney, giving byes to the #1 and #2 seeds.

WIAC tourney changes? (http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/05/01/sports/00colnb.txt)
Title: Re: Regular season champs vs Post season
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2008, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on May 02, 2008, 07:49:26 PM
Looks like the WIAC is going to a SIX-team tourney, giving byes to the #1 and #2 seeds.

WIAC tourney changes? (http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/05/01/sports/00colnb.txt)
There is added pressure on the #6 thru #9.

The deference not to damage the OWP with an #8 or a #7 is also wise.