Here is the link for the hosting site
http://athletics.mcm.edu/Sports/baseball/2008/08baseballregional.asp
What day will it be announced which teams and how many teams will be there ?
Any details on booking hotels/flights ?
Teams announced May 11. D3baseball .com will be up late to post the match-ups as soon as possible.
Quote from: Jim Dixon on April 30, 2008, 03:46:23 PM
Teams announced May 11. D3baseball .com will be up late to post the match-ups as soon as possible.
Don't the Western Regional's start on Wednesday May 14? That sure doesn't give the fans much time to make travel arrangements. Jim, Ralph, or anyone - aren't the last games in the West being played this weekend? It sure would be nice if they would make the announcement sooner :)
But there are rules to follow --- oh well - I guess it could be a nice Mothers Day present for all the players Mom's.... we aren't going to Disneyland – we're going to the Western Regional Playoffs!!.
The Regionals sound like a first class act Judgeing by there web site and how involved there A.D. has been. I wish I could be there, next year. Any broadcast imformation?
West Regional
Can anyone guess now who may be in this regional
POOL A TEAMS
ASC: McMurry
NWC: Linfield
SCIAC: La Verne
POOL B TEAM
Chapman
POOL C TEAMS
DIIIFAN- I believe you forgot Trinity from the SCAC. They will make it 5 teams already in, assuming Chapman is in ;) and that leaves 2 or 3 spots.
What are the chances of Concordia getting an at large bids, 2 of 3 from Trinity, 2 wins against Div 1 HBU which I beleive doesnt count. ANd 3 wins over nationally ranked UTT. ANd a 30 win season.
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 05, 2008, 02:12:50 AM
What are the chances of Concordia getting an at large bids, 2 of 3 from Trinity, 2 wins against Div 1 HBU which I believe doesn't count. And 3 wins over nationally ranked UTT. ANd a 30 win season.
Let's look at the Regional Rankings that come out on Thrusday.
Criteria that are used by the Committee include:
Regional games only
Regional won loss
Results versus regionally-ranked opponents. Right now, that is only UTT. (Trinity and McMurry were not in last week's regional rankings.)
OWP and OOWP (Opponent's Winning Percentage and opponent's opponents' winning percentage)
Other criteria...
FAQ (http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament)
I have CUA's Regional record at 26-13, .667. That is right on the edge of the bubble for plenty of teams in Pool C. CTX was in the Regional rankings last week and eliminated the other Regionally Ranked team.
Let's see this week's Regional Rankings.
for concordia...when they pick the teams do they see that since tyler was ranked third at this time and ctx was 4th, ctx would jump ahead of tyler after beating them twice, and the 2 team behind ctx in the regional ranking both lost this weekend. Do they do the rankings as the team that is playing hot right now because if so ctx is def playing better than utt. Let me know what you think Ralph
I have no idea how close the rankings will be in the West.
Does going 3-0 push McMurry from somewhere off the board into the rankings?
We have four Pool A's who were not on last week's rankings!!!!
TrinityTX, LaVerne, Linfield, and McMurry!
Only Chapman is where it should be!
That tells me balance in the West! :)
Crystal Ball
6 team Regional
Chapman CA
La Verne CA
Linfield OR
McMurry TX
Tyler TX
Trinity TX
IF 8 teams
Add George Fox, OR and Concordia TX
Quote from: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on May 05, 2008, 10:08:07 PM
Crystal Ball
6 team Regional
Chapman CA
La Verne CA
Linfield OR
McMurry TX
Tyler TX
Trinity TX
IF 8 teams
Add George Fox, OR and Concordia TX
You have to think it could work that way, but then how bad does it hurt CTX to beat a UTT twice and get left out over them. They were ranked in region just below UTT, beat them twice, and then get left out. Where do we see the 8 team regionals being?
I would be willing to bet that Concordia jumps UT Tyler in the rankings. They are a very hot team right now and they beat UT Tyler twice. They have played a harder schedule than Tyler and are at 30 wins. I'll just say I have a gut feeling that Concordia jumps them ;)
If George Fox can jump from unranked to second – ahead of Tyler – after beating No. 3 Linfield, then I think it's likely Concordia is ahead of Tyler after beating No. 3 Tyler.
My question is how far Tyler falls in the rankings.
REVISED CRYSTAL BALL
6 TEAMS
Chapman CA
La Verne CA
Linfield OR
Concordia TX
McMurry TX
Trinity TX
IF 8 teams
George Fox OR
Tyler TX
Provided those are the teams in, who has a logistical chance at winning the thing?
I'm off my game, because work has had me bogged down the last couple of months (sorry for no West Regional Rankings...) so I would love to hear some commentary.
In spite of the fact that CTX is hot right now, I just do not think they have the pitching depth to make a run at winning a 6-team tournament.
Regardless of the UTT's poor performance in the conference tournament, I still think they would have a decent chance a playing deep into the tournament with their first three guys rested and on the bump.
I know what GFU did to Linfield, but could the Cats been complacent with their semi-comfortable lead. I really like the depth of their pitching staff and the way they play defense. Pitching and D have been known to win championships...
Due to the history of the league of late, I have a hard time picking La Verne. Despite what others have seen and said, I'm still not even convinced they were the best team in the SCIAC.
A healthy McMurry team might be ton
Chapman without a doubt will win it all. These guys are just to good right now. They are on fire both in their pitching and batting. These guys will strike guys teams down methodically.
From the NWC, i think the cats will do fine during the 1st round. However, i have a strog sense that they will crumble during the second round. Why, because their inexperience will start to show just when its not suppose to. Don't get me wrong, Coach Bro' has really helped these kids come a long way by injecting ( :P) into them a strong defensive philosophy that yes defense wins games. However,their defense can not carry them in this good tourney.
As for the SCIAC representative La Verne: Are you kidding me JSG???. These guys were closer than the 2007 D3worldseries champs in winning three games from the 08' co-SCIAC champs (Chapman that is)
La Verne has really proven that their pitching, batting and defensive skills are just what the doctor suggested they use in order to get their business done. I won't be surprise if they meet up with the panther's during some point in the tourney (now that would be an awesome game) and probabily give the panthers another run for their money. It should be a fun tourney to catch up with.
Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 07, 2008, 03:01:32 PM
Chapman without a doubt will win it all. These guys are just to good right now. They are on fire both in their pitching and batting. These guys will strike guys teams down methodically.
From the NWC, i think the cats will do fine during the 1st round. However, i have a strog sense that they will crumble during the second round. Why, because their inexperience will start to show just when its not suppose to. Don't get me wrong, Coach Bro' has really helped these kids come a long way by injecting ( :P) into them a strong defensive philosophy that yes defense wins games. However,their defense can not carry them in this good tourney.
As for the SCIAC representative La Verne: Are you kidding me JSG???. These guys were closer than the 2007 D3worldseries champs in winning three games from the 08' co-SCIAC champs (Chapman that is)
La Verne has really proven that their pitching, batting and defensive skills are just what the doctor suggested they use in order to get their business done. I won't be surprise if they meet up with the panther's during some point in the tourney (now that would be an awesome game) and probabily give the panthers another run for their money. It should be a fun tourney to catch up with.
Browneagle I like the way that you think ;) Chapman 2008 CWS champions it has a good ring to it. But the games still have to be played and LaVerne if they do meet up with Chapman they have played them close and know how to play them. Besides they do play great defense and have pesky singles hitters that are always getting on base and once that happens and you can start strining hits together you never know what will happen. It will be great baseball no matter what
okay...utt will get in why do some people think that they will not get in they are ranked in the top 10 in the nation according to this website....why does nobody talk about the ozarks who are currently still ranked 24th in the nation according to this website and 32nd according to the other national poll for d-3 baseball...i dont see how a top 25 cant get a regional that just seems ridicoulous...wow both these teams lost in thier conference tournaments which should not be considered play-offs in which seem people call them....the play-offs are regionals and and the CWS...i mean c'mon just becuase you lose in a conference tourny does not mean you should be erased from regional talk....look at D-1 baseball many top teams lose in conference tourny's and they still move on to a regional...idk maybe it is just that the D-3 play off system is so messed up...this is not college basketball quality wins and sos should not count sure at the -/D-1 level they have an RPI but those teams have a big enough budget to schecdule whoever and they can travel anywhere/- especially at this level teams cant go play wherever and whoever becuase of school budgets i mean the ozarks cant play against all the teams in texas becuase of costs thier school is a bad location for attracting teams to play them they went out and played there schedule and ended up with a 33-10 recorded you cant knock a team for not being able to schedule better competion at this level im sorry
Atl7,
You are correct in saying that we should not exclude UTT and Ozarks in the discussion of a regional bid. But I think CTX is just as deserving. They swept MHB (28-12) when they were nationally ranked, they beat nationally ranked Ozarks (33-10) 2 of 3 and UTT (36-9) 3 of 5 games. We have a 30-16 record and have won 11 out of 14 games in the final stretch. I hope all 3 teams get in.
Sombody has to do the math where you take the wins, quality wins etc and total them all the points up. CTX was good down the stretch but those 16 losses are not helpfull. I think they deserve to be in but I also think so does UTT. UTT was the division champ and did have the best overall record of all teams in the ASC. They were the only team to loose less than 10 games. Ozarks should be considered as well and probably stand a chance if they can be placed in a different region.
Well, this might create some fun.
Based on rankings and records, it looks like Trinity may end up with the 6 seed in a 6 team regional.
Chapman certainly will be the #1 seed.
That likely means Bronson or possibly Oates, but most likely Bronson for Trinity vs Chapman.
Bronson is very, very good and Trinity can hit.
Kitchens is also very, very good and Chapman can hit.
I wouldn't buy a bus ticket to Wisconsin if this match up occurs until you have a W and stay in the winner's bracket.
I would question if Trinity has enough pitching depth this year. But Bronson and Oates will be as good as any pitchers in Abilene and those two and the Trinity bats could create some problems along the way.
Quote from: infielddad on May 07, 2008, 07:24:04 PM
Well, this might create some fun.
Based on rankings and records, it looks like Trinity may end up with the 6 seed in a 6 team regional.
Chapman certainly will be the #1 seed.
That likely means Bronson or possibly Oates, but most likely Bronson for Trinity vs Chapman.
Bronson is very, very good and Trinity can hit.
Kitchens is also very, very good and Chapman can hit.
I wouldn't buy a bus ticket to Wisconsin if this match up occurs until you have a W and stay in the winner's bracket.
I would question if Trinity has enough pitching depth this year. But Bronson and Oates will be as good as any pitchers in Abilene and those two and the Trinity bats could create some problems along the way.
I agree that Bronson is very very good and Kitchens is very very good but lets not forget one thing the lack of playoff experience is the key and with the playoff experience that Chapman is lined out with just might be the difference in the game. I don't want to call anything this early and I won't and Trinity is for the most part at home and that might be the difference, the home field advantage because how does the saying go you don't mess with Tex'ess ( a little southern slang ) it will be a great game for those who love to watch a pitching duel.
If UTT and Ozarks get in with CTX emilinating both should get an automaticbid to the World Series . That wont happen, if anything maybe UTT, but i doubt it.
Also one or two of CTX losses came to Div 1 Houston Baptist, considering that CTX took I beleive two games from Houston Baptist as well.
The NCBWA/D3baseball.com poll (or any poll) is not a criterion used by the committee.
Quoting the FAQ (http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament) from the Handbook (and the Regional Rankings come out tomorrow)
These are the primary criteria that are used to rank the Pool C teams:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents (Start calculating!)
• Quality of Wins Index: only contests versus regional competition (the OWP and the OOWP, to which I do not have access.)
• In- region head-to-head competition. May knock out Tyler and or Concordia, going against George Fox in this.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents. Start looking at the games played.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams See Regional Rankings
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/selection process only.
• Conference post-season contests are included. ASC Tourney
• Contests versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.
Note -- Houston Baptist has no impact on the Concordia season or qualifications in the Primary Criteria.
These criteria are considered across all 320 teams that do not get a Pool A or Pool B bid.
If the West region is an 8 team vs. 6 team then the non-conference ASC teams will have a better chance. With a 6 team region we may not get anyone other than McMurry.
Apparently the Quality Wins index ended after the 2007 season so that is no longer a measuing criteria.
I took Ralph's info and did the comparison between CTX and UTT
The first is W/L percentage of in-region opponents including the Conference Championship games.
CTX 26-13 for 66.67%
UTT 33-9 for 78.57% Advantage UTT
Second is head to head
CTX 3 wins UTT 2 wins Advantage CTX
Third is Common Opponents
UTT CTX
Sul Ross 2-0 3-0
Schriener 3-0 3-0
McMurry 0-1 1-4
LeTourneau 3-0 3-0
HSU 3-1 1-2
Ozarks 2-1 0-1
Total 13-3 11-7 Advantage UTT
Fourth In Region vs Regionally Ranked
The only teams that the two have played that are regionally ranked are each other which was already considered CTX won head to head 3-2
So there it is UTT has the advantage with better winning % against in Region and common opponents and CTX won the head to head. The head to head was not a domination and UTT won its two games at CTX so it would appear overall advantage UTT
Bronson is without a doubt one of the best pitchers in the west division. He has shut down several great teams. He has a hard and heavy fastball and an amazing slider that breaks hard late. Dont forget about his change which he will sometimes pitch backwards starting you out with that. I would say that even though chapman can hit Bronson definately has the ability to shut them down the first game of the tourney if that is the matchup. Hmmm!
Quote from: dbat on May 08, 2008, 12:43:19 PM
Bronson is without a doubt one of the best pitchers in the west division. He has shut down several great teams. He has a hard and heavy fastball and an amazing slider that breaks hard late. Dont forget about his change which he will sometimes pitch backwards starting you out with that. I would say that even though chapman can hit Bronson definately has the ability to shut them down the first game of the tourney if that is the matchup. Hmmm!
Hum.... Sounds like this Bronson kid can really pitch. If by any chances he does face the Panthers in the first round, i am sure he will do fine pitching against them.
But to be honest with you, in keeping up with the panthers for the past 8 years, Coach T. and co. will expose this kid's weakness and find ways to prevail against him.
For instance, the reason why the Leo's were close in beating the SCIAC co-champs during the season was because they sent in their best pitching and clearly found ways to keep the panthers in check. However, these guys will methodically break every pitch down, their pitchers will know what type of batter the face (by the 4th/5inning) and will then combine their offense and defensive talents to let the flood gates open by the 5inning and take the game over.
Expect them to start off a bit slow, but by the end, you will be surprised at how good this team is. ;D
Good Point but look at the final 15 games played as well. Advantage def CTX.
Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 08, 2008, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: dbat on May 08, 2008, 12:43:19 PM
Bronson is without a doubt one of the best pitchers in the west division. He has shut down several great teams. He has a hard and heavy fastball and an amazing slider that breaks hard late. Dont forget about his change which he will sometimes pitch backwards starting you out with that. I would say that even though chapman can hit Bronson definately has the ability to shut them down the first game of the tourney if that is the matchup. Hmmm!
Hum.... Sounds like this Bronson kid can really pitch. If by any chances he does face the Panthers in the first round, i am sure he will do fine pitching against them.
But to be honest with you, in keeping up with the panthers for the past 8 years, Coach T. and co. will expose this kid's weakness and find ways to prevail against him.
For instance, the reason why the Leo's were close in beating the SCIAC co-champs during the season was because they sent in their best pitching and clearly found ways to keep the panthers in check. However, these guys will methodically break every pitch down, their pitchers will know what type of batter the face (by the 4th/5inning) and will then combine their offense and defensive talents to let the flood gates open by the 5inning and take the game over.
Expect them to start off a bit slow, but by the end, you will be surprised at how good this team is. ;D
"Bravo Eagle" finally someone who is talking sense. All these Texas teams are having a feeding frenzy off each other and finally someone who knows the Panthers caoching staff. You don't have a winning percentage like coach T and Coach Edwards by letting the sharks taking knips off your heels and keep on winning year after year. I do believe that they are hungry and they want to dethrone the Panthers but I don't see it. Kitchens who has only 2 loses n the past 2 years as infield dad put it was beat by MCM but they forget that he has had a year to mature and just get better and you don't have a .31 ERA #1 in the country by giving up runs, I think that runs are going to be hard to come by for anyone against him and remember you have Yacko in the wings with a .79 ERA # 2 in the country. Then you have that Offense to deal with scoring in the double digits the majority of there games
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 08, 2008, 04:12:19 PM
Good Point but look at the final 15 games played as well. Advantage def CTX.
12-3 UTT over last 15 11-4 CTX over last 15
15-5 UTT over last 20 13-7 CTX over last 20
by looking at these numbers the advantage goes to UTT
36-9 record compared to 30-16 advantage UTT
Win one of the two games head-to-head last week and it is a moot point. Getting swept the final games, by a team you are likely going to be battling for a playoff spot in your last chances to make an impression on the committee, is not a preferred route to go.
You also have to realize that the head of the committee was in the house for the games last weekend. Like it or not he has a lot of clout.
It also comes down to opponents winning percentage and opponents opponents winning percentage.
The fact that the West was stronger and more balanced especially at the top, upped both percentages for McMurry and Concordia.
My guess is that Concordia's opp win % and opp opp win % was higher than UTT. UTT was 13-8 against teams with a winning record and five of those wins were against teams (MC and UTD) that were barely over .500. The fact that they only played one team in the East with a good winning percentage (Ozarks).
Unless they change the criteria to look at "quality wins" there is no criteria that considers W/L record of all your opponents. So that has nothing to do with it. The criterea is Common opponents, W/L in region, head to head and record against ranked regional opponents. I am less clear about the later catagory. Now that McMurrey is in the CTX record agains those that are ranked or have been ranked in the region is 3-6 (two losses to UTT and 4 losses to McMurrey). UTTs record is 2-4. No advange there. So the only criteria that CTX wins is the head to head 3-2 all the other criteria UTT wins. The confenence tournament is not supposed to carry anymore weight than any other conference game or so I have been lead to understand. It is obvious however that who ever makes the division rankings is not looking at it that way since UTT was knocked out of the division rankings. If Booher pitched well in that first game which UTT lost 8-7, UTT could very well have won the tournament. Holland did pitch well agains MC and would have pitched well against McM. That first loss really changed everything.
Quote from: TexasBB on May 08, 2008, 06:30:44 PM
Unless they change the criteria to look at "quality wins" there is no criteria that considers W/L record of all your opponents.
Actually, they are reflected in the OWP, the OOWP, the record versus regionally ranked opponents and common opponents. As for non-region non-D-III opponents, that is the nature and definition of D-III.
So that has nothing to do with it. The criteria is Common opponents, W/L in region, head to head and record against ranked regional opponents. I am less clear about the later catagory. Now that McMurry is in the CTX record against those that are ranked or have been ranked (only the final ranking counts) in the region is 3-6 (two losses to UTT and 4 losses to McMurrey). UTTs record is 2-4. No advantage there. So the only criteria that CTX wins is the head to head 3-2 all the other criteria UTT wins. (A big factor)
The conference tournament is not supposed to carry anymore weight than any other conference game or so I have been lead to understand. It is obvious however that who ever makes the division rankings is not looking at it that way since UTT was knocked out of the division rankings. If Booher pitched well in that first game which UTT lost 8-7, UTT could very well have won the tournament. Holland did pitch well agains MC and would have pitched well against McM. That first loss really changed everything.
I agree that it changed things, but I will bet that UTT beating CTX in Game #5 would have boosted them over CTX. CTX would have been 1-2 in the Tourney. UTT would have been no worse than 2-2, or even 3-2 or 4-1.
If I am in that committee deliberation, and we are down to #6 between CTX and UTT, I see that CTX has beaten UTT 3 games to two this season, the last two just happen to be in the conference tourney. I have to give it to CTX.
For McMurry to go from "Greater than #6" to #2 with wins over Mississippi College and CTX (twice), that tells me that there is very little difference between #2 and "#7".
i think it comes down to strength of schedule...
UTT played a soft schedule throughout the year which got them to be a top 25 team
Concordia won the head to head matchup, but again didn't play a tough schedule.
McMurry took one from Chapman on the road and won their conference and played well when they needed to.
Redlands and East Bay were 1 and 2 in strength of schedule in the west and faired well in region.
The west is so deep that it deserves an 8 team region.
ATL7, no offense but none of us are on the committe so you dont have to talk us into anything. But you cant honestly say that you'll had a better final 15 games than Concordia. Its not like were comparing apples to oranges here- youll played them head to head, twice. And couldnt pull through. I just know if i was a Concordianite i would be pretty hacked if UTT gets a bid ahead of them. Again, nothing personal, just pointing that out.
After looking at the West region rankings I am curious what you all think. Does this turn into an 8 team regional with 6 teams flying or does it turn to a 6 team regional with George Fox and CUA (I refuse to say CTX) getting shipped out? I realize it is pretty unlikely that the NCAA will fly 6 teams but they are going to have to start spending more money if they have pre-determined locations. If the regional was in CA they could have made it a 6 team site with only 2 flights. Either way I am curious what everyone thinks.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2008, 11:50:15 PM
After looking at the West region rankings I am curious what you all think. Does this turn into an 8 team regional with 6 teams flying or does it turn to a 6 team regional with George Fox and CUA (I refuse to say CTX) getting shipped out? I realize it is pretty unlikely that the NCAA will fly 6 teams but they are going to have to start spending more money if they have pre-determined locations. If the regional was in CA they could have made it a 6 team site with only 2 flights. Either way I am curious what everyone thinks.
Jack, Linfield and GFU plus McMurry and TrinityTX would need to be flown to southern California.
I think that this becomes an 8-team bracket.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2008, 11:53:52 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2008, 11:50:15 PM
After looking at the West region rankings I am curious what you all think. Does this turn into an 8 team regional with 6 teams flying or does it turn to a 6 team regional with George Fox and CUA (I refuse to say CTX) getting shipped out? I realize it is pretty unlikely that the NCAA will fly 6 teams but they are going to have to start spending more money if they have pre-determined locations. If the regional was in CA they could have made it a 6 team site with only 2 flights. Either way I am curious what everyone thinks.
Jack, Linfield and GFU plus McMurry and TrinityTX would need to be flown to southern California.
I think that this becomes an 8-team bracket.
Wow, I can't believe I wrote that. I am lost in another world right now. I was thinking 4 CA teams and McM and Linfield. Sorry, it's been a long night.
The west regionals have pretty much been predetermined for the past three years anyways. I know they havent been predetermined in the past, but in 2007 you fly Austin College, Texas Lutheran, UT Dallas, George Fox to Orange California it sure looks like its predetermined. I like that they switched up the site McMurry's field is 1000 times better than Hart city park where Chapman plays at. McMurry's Walt Driggers field is probably one of the best D3 stadiums in the nation.
McMurray's field is very nice. I havent been there in a while but im sure its atleast as good as I last remember.
I would like to see 2 regional sites, one in TX and one in Cali and the winners of each getting a slot in the World Series. I know thats wishful thinking because there just arent enough teams to constitute the decision.
If D3 could manage some post season like D1 where there are regionals and super regionals I really think that would help out the post season. Again there probably arent enough teams to do this, but I bet something could be done.
Quote from: tloc14 on May 09, 2008, 02:06:36 PM
McMurry's field is very nice. I haven't been there in a while but I'm sure its at least as good as I last remember.
I would like to see 2 regional sites, one in TX and one in Cali and the winners of each getting a slot in the World Series. I know thats wishful thinking because there just aren't enough teams to constitute the decision.
If D3 could manage some post season like D1 where there are regionals and super regionals I really think that would help out the post season. Again there probably arent enough teams to do this, but I bet something could be done.
Division III allocates one bid for every 6.5 participating schools. That is why the field is set at 54 this year, up one bid from 2008.
Quote from: dbat on May 09, 2008, 11:32:40 AM
The west regionals have pretty much been predetermined for the past three years anyways. I know they havent been predetermined in the past, but in 2007 you fly Austin College, Texas Lutheran, UT Dallas, George Fox to Orange California it sure looks like its predetermined. I like that they switched up the site McMurry's field is 1000 times better than Hart city park where Chapman plays at. McMurry's Walt Driggers field is probably one of the best D3 stadiums in the nation.
Comparitivly speaking Hart Park is one of the better parks that DIII has, or maybe your talking about one of the little league parks they have in college that they try to pass off as a college facility where the stands are 3 bench seats and a bunch of grass for the fans to sit on. Or Maybe a Motel six is the best accomodations for you to spend your weekend at, I know you figure that if you wear them down and they can't sleep because it is right next to a truck stop you might be able to beat them.
I know that Abeline has one of the nicest stadiums in DIII but not every school has that type of facility for the most part the schools do not look at the baseball programs that do not bring in the revenue for the schools as a high priority, which means they don't get the funding. It's sad but true!!!
Quote from: gatekeper43 on May 08, 2008, 04:37:00 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 08, 2008, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: dbat on May 08, 2008, 12:43:19 PM
Bronson is without a doubt one of the best pitchers in the west division. He has shut down several great teams. He has a hard and heavy fastball and an amazing slider that breaks hard late. Dont forget about his change which he will sometimes pitch backwards starting you out with that. I would say that even though chapman can hit Bronson definately has the ability to shut them down the first game of the tourney if that is the matchup. Hmmm!
Hum.... Sounds like this Bronson kid can really pitch. If by any chances he does face the Panthers in the first round, i am sure he will do fine pitching against them.
But to be honest with you, in keeping up with the panthers for the past 8 years, Coach T. and co. will expose this kid's weakness and find ways to prevail against him.
For instance, the reason why the Leo's were close in beating the SCIAC co-champs during the season was because they sent in their best pitching and clearly found ways to keep the panthers in check. However, these guys will methodically break every pitch down, their pitchers will know what type of batter the face (by the 4th/5inning) and will then combine their offense and defensive talents to let the flood gates open by the 5inning and take the game over.
Expect them to start off a bit slow, but by the end, you will be surprised at how good this team is. ;D
"Bravo Eagle" finally someone who is talking sense. All these Texas teams are having a feeding frenzy off each other and finally someone who knows the Panthers caoching staff. You don't have a winning percentage like coach T and Coach Edwards by letting the sharks taking knips off your heels and keep on winning year after year. I do believe that they are hungry and they want to dethrone the Panthers but I don't see it. Kitchens who has only 2 loses n the past 2 years as infield dad put it was beat by MCM but they forget that he has had a year to mature and just get better and you don't have a .31 ERA #1 in the country by giving up runs, I think that runs are going to be hard to come by for anyone against him and remember you have Yacko in the wings with a .79 ERA # 2 in the country. Then you have that Offense to deal with scoring in the double digits the majority of there games
Chapman will probably just run up the score if they get Trinity and Bronson in the first round. Certainly, Chapman will make those adjustments after the first time through that Bronson, for instance, just won't make. And of course, Trinity will be out coached by Chapman.
Assuming this is a first round match up, the only thing to raise any doubt, I guess, about the Chapman dominance will be the way Trinity sends players to top Summer League teams where they do so well against top DI players. While I am sure Chapman would end up dominating Bronson the way no one else has done, that glimpse of success he had last summer dominating in the Texas Collegiate league season and All Star game might create some "hope" he won't be Chapman "fodder."
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Bronson is without a doubt one of the best pitchers in the west division. He has shut down several great teams. He has a hard and heavy fastball and an amazing slider that breaks hard late. Dont forget about his change which he will sometimes pitch backwards starting you out with that. I would say that even though chapman can hit Bronson definately has the ability to shut them down the first game of the tourney if that is the matchup. Hmmm!
Hum.... Sounds like this Bronson kid can really pitch. If by any chances he does face the Panthers in the first round, i am sure he will do fine pitching against them.
But to be honest with you, in keeping up with the panthers for the past 8 years, Coach T. and co. will expose this kid's weakness and find ways to prevail against him.
For instance, the reason why the Leo's were close in beating the SCIAC co-champs during the season was because they sent in their best pitching and clearly found ways to keep the panthers in check. However, these guys will methodically break every pitch down, their pitchers will know what type of batter the face (by the 4th/5inning) and will then combine their offense and defensive talents to let the flood gates open by the 5inning and take the game over.
Expect them to start off a bit slow, but by the end, you will be surprised at how good this team is. ;D
"Bravo Eagle" finally someone who is talking sense. All these Texas teams are having a feeding frenzy off each other and finally someone who knows the Panthers caoching staff. You don't have a winning percentage like coach T and Coach Edwards by letting the sharks taking knips off your heels and keep on winning year after year. I do believe that they are hungry and they want to dethrone the Panthers but I don't see it. Kitchens who has only 2 loses n the past 2 years as infield dad put it was beat by MCM but they forget that he has had a year to mature and just get better and you don't have a .31 ERA #1 in the country by giving up runs, I think that runs are going to be hard to come by for anyone against him and remember you have Yacko in the wings with a .79 ERA # 2 in the country. Then you have that Offense to deal with scoring in the double digits the majority of there games
Chapman will probably just run up the score if they get Trinity and Bronson in the first round. Certainly, Chapman will make those adjustments after the first time through that Bronson, for instance, just won't make. And of course, Trinity will be out coached by Chapman.
Assuming this is a first round match up, the only thing to raise any doubt, I guess, about the Chapman dominance will be the way Trinity sends players to top Summer League teams where they do so well against top DI players. While I am sure Chapman would end up dominating Bronson the way no one else has done, that glimpse of success he had last summer dominating in the Texas Collegiate league season and All Star game might create some "hope" he won't be Chapman "fodder."
infielddad- I agree that saying Chapman will blow them out of the water is a little premature but the argument about the summer leagues is pretty irrelevant. Chapman has dominated the West region since 2000 and Trinity has barely made a dent. I realize you are a Trinity dad and your son was very good there but people often talk about how Chapman's time is up and they probably won't win again but they do win year in and year out.
Do not get me wrong here, I think Trinity is a good program but they have a ways to go to match up with some of the dominant programs in D-III. I am very interested to see how the seeds are and see who gets who first round. Bronson has good numbers, but they are nowhere near what Kitchens has done. Again, I am not knocking Trinity at all but if they want to get the respect of everyone they are going to have to knock Chapman off the top of the mountain.
I really want to go see this regional series even if UTT does not make it in (im a UTT guy by the way). Those 2 pitchers from Chapman sound really good and I'd love to see em throw in person.....probably because i dont have to bat against them.
Though ive never seen the Cali teams play, I have a feeling Chapman's time isnt coming to an end any time soon. Its likely that their string of great teams will end when the coach leaves. Usually thats how programs spiral downward (UDallas for example).
It will be interesting to see the good pitching vs good offense matchups. Im unfamiliar with Trinity, but know enough about McM and Concordia (assuming they make it) to know their success is rooted in their strong lineups. Their pitching is adequate, but offense is really what wins them games. Sounds like a classic matchup in the works.
Quote from: tloc14 on May 10, 2008, 12:51:36 AM
Though ive never seen the Cali teams play, I have a feeling Chapman's time isnt coming to an end any time soon. Its likely that their string of great teams will end when the coach leaves. Usually thats how programs spiral downward (UDallas for example).
The interesting thing about that is that Chapman has already gone through a coaching change, and it was the year following the change that they won their national championship. No one expected much out of that season, but you just never know. It has far less to do with the change itself, and more about who comes in to replace the coach. Chapman has been fortunate to have two great coaches at the D3 level. However, because of the success of the program, I would assume that it would be a very attractive job should it ever became available again. It is just as likely that they would attract another excellent coach next time around.
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Though ive never seen the Cali teams play, I have a feeling Chapman's time isnt coming to an end any time soon. Its likely that their string of great teams will end when the coach leaves. Usually thats how programs spiral downward (UDallas for example).
The interesting thing about that is that Chapman has already gone through a coaching change, and it was the year following the change that they won their national championship. No one expected much out of that season, but you just never know. It has far less to do with the change itself, and more about who comes in to replace the coach. Chapman has been fortunate to have two great coaches at the D3 level. However, because of the success of the program, I would assume that it would be a very attractive job should it ever became available again. It is just as likely that they would attract another excellent coach next time around.
If you take a look at what the coach did before the current coach came in, you will see the current guy just kept the winning tradition alive. Rex Peters of UC Davis was there until 2002 and he has done a pretty good job moving Davis into D-I where they will likely be in a regional.
I mean it sounds like there is no point in even having this regional, Chapman's already won it and the tourney hasnt even started yet. They should just call all the teams and tell them sorry, but there is no reason for showing up because there is no way you can beat Chapman. Congrats Chapman!!!!! ;)
Lets see how close this is tonight. This is based upon current West Regional Rankings, along with those who won their Pool A bids. The question remains is 6 or 8 teams and who is in Pool C ?
Here is my guess
POSSIBLE WEST REGIONAL TEAMS
POOL A
ASC: McMurry TX (29-17)
NWC: Linfield OR (30-10)
SCIAC: La Verne CA (25-14)
SCAC: Trinity TX (32-13)
POOL B
Chapman CA (35-3)
POSSIBLE POOL C
George Fox OR (28-12) 27-11
Concordia-Austin TX (30-16) 26-13
Texas-Tyler TX (36-9) 33-9
Cal State-East Bay (26-14) 20-10
I hate to be cynical, but it will be 6 teams. I would be very surprised to see the NCAA fly-in more than the 3 teams that are already in. To bring in a 4th team from the west coast would cost more than $40K. It won't happen.
Isn't East Bay part of pool B rather than pool C?
I would hate to see that $40k is the only reason to limit the West to 6 teams. There are 8+ quality teams in the Region. Ozarks is not mentioned and they have over 30 wins. It may be that Ozarks would be assigned to a different region. Don't take something away from the kids and their schools just becuase you are trying to save a few bucks.
Quote from: Gray Fox on May 11, 2008, 12:32:53 PM
Isn't East Bay part of pool B rather than pool C?
CSU-East Bay is a Pool B that fell to Pool C.
I think California Div 3 players get quaility non scholorship players. If im correct, Junior Colleges in California do not offer athletic scholorships unlike Texas. COrrect me if im wrong, but thats how it was a few years back. Also is Chapman a state school or private?
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2008, 09:31:17 PM
I think California Div 3 players get quality non scholarship players. If I'm correct, Junior Colleges in California do not offer athletic scholarships unlike Texas. Correct me if I'm wrong, but thats how it was a few years back. Also is Chapman a state school or private?
Chapman is private.
Quote from: ILVBB on May 11, 2008, 11:40:29 AM
I hate to be cynical, but it will be 6 teams. I would be very surprised to see the NCAA fly-in more than the 3 teams that are already in. To bring in a 4th team from the west coast would cost more than $40K. It won't happen.
I think there were
five flights to Orange last year for a seven-team regional: Texas-Dallas, George Fox, Texas Lutheran, Pacific Lutheran and Austin.
Only
four flights would be needed this year for an eight-team Abilene regional: La Verne, Linfield, Chapman and George Fox.
A five-flight precedent was set, so I don't think airfare is what will keep Abilene a six-teamer. I think it comes down to the worthiness of Tyler in relation to the Southern Maines, Rochesters and Suffolks of this year's bubble.
1 Chapman
2 george fox
3 mcmurry
4 cal east bay
5 trinity (tx)
6 la verne
first game is at noon on wed with chapman playing la vern
3:30 gfx and trinity
7 mcm play cal est bay
Care to tell us where you got this info MCM gansta????? Is this correct Ralph or is this another premature estimation from us amatuers?
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1 Chapman
2 george fox
3 mcmurry
4 cal east bay
5 trinity (tx)
6 la verne
first game is at noon on wed with chapman playing la vern
3:30 gfx and trinity
7 mcm play cal est bay
Oops, never mind that i had asked that question. I found McMurry's site stating what M-gansta had already pointed out (thanks. M-G):
http://athletics.mcm.edu/Sports/baseball/2008/08baseballregional.asp (http://athletics.mcm.edu/Sports/baseball/2008/08baseballregional.asp)
Can't believe that the leo's and panthers would be paired so early in the tourney. It should be another good game between both ball clubs, as the Leo's where the only team that i know of that played the panthers well during the season before falling victims to Coach T and co. plans. Best of luck to the Leo's and SCIAC co champs at this big dance.
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2008, 09:31:17 PM
I think California Div 3 players get quaility non scholorship players. If im correct, Junior Colleges in California do not offer athletic scholorships unlike Texas. COrrect me if im wrong, but thats how it was a few years back. Also is Chapman a state school or private?
Though Chapman is private and has no scholarships, they have an inceredible finlancial aid package that really helps them compete. Being a former college head coach in the area at a school that offered scholarships, I often lost players that I offered partial scholarships to as Chapman was cheaper for them. We were both comparable in tuition at the time (mid to high $20,000). Chapman does a great job with financial aid and competes on the recruiting level with many of the local scholarship schools and the SCIAC.
Maybe that is one of the reasons that Chapman isn't in the SCIAC.
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Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2008, 09:31:17 PM
I think California Div 3 players get quaility non scholorship players. If im correct, Junior Colleges in California do not offer athletic scholorships unlike Texas. COrrect me if im wrong, but thats how it was a few years back. Also is Chapman a state school or private?
Though Chapman is private and has no scholarships, they have an inceredible finlancial aid package that really helps them compete. Being a former college head coach in the area at a school that offered scholarships, I often lost players that I offered partial scholarships to as Chapman was cheaper for them. We were both comparable in tuition at the time (mid to high $20,000). Chapman does a great job with financial aid and competes on the recruiting level with many of the local scholarship schools and the SCIAC.
Yes they have financial aid packges but for most of the kids at Chapman they have acheived scholarships which are only granted for acedemics at the DIII level. This tells me that the kids that have recieved scholarships at whatever school they attend whether they are at Chapman or at ULV they are there because of grades. Unlike the kids that go to any D2 or D1 and recieve 4year full ride scholarships for whatever sport they are playing, well correct me if I am wrong but there is only .001% of the kids go any further than college and .0001% of the kids get a lucrative contract to play ball.
This tells me that our kids that play ball at the DIII level achieve life long lessons as well as get ther degree's to go into life one step ahead. Also they are playing the game for the pure love of the game!
That is a very great point gatekeeper. I was just curious if the junior colleges still didnt give scholorships in Cali, and the reasoning why.
Blackcat:
California JC's do not give scholarships. However, the fees are so negligible that it seldom an issue. There are fee waivers for anyone with need. The cost for attending a JC, including books is generally less than $1k.
JC's in CA are dirt cheap, enough said.
I was checking out all of the West region teams web-pages today and came across the news that CSU-East Bay is moving to Div-II. If I read this release correctly they would be D-III for the 2008-2009 school year then move up. What does this do to their status as a D-III member trying to get into the playoffs next year? I think this really helps some but really screws a lot of schools too.
Chapman has always relied on East Bay for 3-5 games a year. Some of the SCIAC and some of the NWC schools play them as well. This is going to change the scheduling of a lot of these teams. I believe La Sierra is a new D-III but playing a team with 1 win a year is not going to help anyone out. It is a good situation for East Bay since a ton of their games were against non D-III teams.
This is to add to the post the other day about teams going to Minnesotta to play. I think the SCIAC, ASC, SCAC and NWC should come up with a huge "festival" and play 4 games against teams from out of their conference. I think it was 2 years ago when the SCIAC sent 4 teams to Arizona and the NWC sent 4 as well. Each team played 4 games but none were against their own conference. I think the NWC's scheduling makes this really tough now with 32 conference games.
The Cal Classic and the Cal invite are bad because SCIAC teams are being put against each other and end up playing a lot of out-of-region teams.
Sorry if none of that made sense, I need coffee :o
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 12, 2008, 10:17:04 PM
JC's in CA are dirt cheap, enough said.
I was checking out all of the West region teams web-pages today and came across the news that CSU-East Bay is moving to Div-II. If I read this release correctly they would be D-III for the 2008-2009 school year then move up. What does this do to their status as a D-III member trying to get into the playoffs next year? I think this really helps some but really screws a lot of schools too.
Chapman has always relied on East Bay for 3-5 games a year. Some of the SCIAC and some of the NWC schools play them as well. This is going to change the scheduling of a lot of these teams. I believe La Sierra is a new D-III but playing a team with 1 win a year is not going to help anyone out. It is a good situation for East Bay since a ton of their games were against non D-III teams.
This is to add to the post the other day about teams going to Minnesota to play. I think the SCIAC, ASC, SCAC and NWC should come up with a huge "festival" and play 4 games against teams from out of their conference. I think it was 2 years ago when the SCIAC sent 4 teams to Arizona and the NWC sent 4 as well. Each team played 4 games but none were against their own conference. I think the NWC's scheduling makes this really tough now with 32 conference games.
The Cal Classic and the Cal invite are bad because SCIAC teams are being put against each other and end up playing a lot of out-of-region teams.
Sorry if none of that made sense, I need coffee :o
Jack, it made lots of sense.
CSU-EB can compete as a D-III if they follow the guidelines in that exploratory year. I can understand the move from economic standpoints. D-II can use the schools.
As for D-III teams on the West Coast, maybe it makes it harder for Chapman to rack up wins against a quality D-III program, which CSU-EB has been.
LaSierra games will count when they are in year-3 and year-4 of provisional status.
Yes, it does make sense to schedule games. McMurry has gone to Hawaii for West Region games. They have an "annual" series with Chapman. They played GFU this season.
TLU went to southern California this year.
Where did they send Linfield? I'd look it up online but I can't get d3baseball.com up at work.
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Where did they send Linfield? I'd look it up online but I can't get d3baseball.com up at work.
Northwest Conference champion Linfield is the No. 5 seed in the NCAA Division III Central Regional and will play Wisconsin-Stevens Point Wednesday in an opening round game.
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/
What kind of expectations are there for McMurry in this regional?
That they better do well and represent their univeristy at this tourney or their most Famous Alumni: Ralph Turner may lose his cool. :P Haha. Just kidding, I am sure that there is very big expecations for McMurry being that they are the hosting team of the tourney.
Can't wait for Wednesday's tip off between the SCIAC co-champs and the Leo's of La Verne. ;D
The 4-team extravaganza sounds like a good idea. Im pretty friendly with the coaching staff at UTT and they have been toying with that idea as well. Vilade has contacts in Frisco since he is the summer hitting coach for the Roughriders. They have been toying with the idea of having an "extravaganza" in dallas with some other schools in the conference. Teams from outside the conf (i assume cali teams and other highly ranked teams within the region) could fly in to Frisco and a weekend 8-team tourney played there. Would be kinda similar to what is done in Abeline except the TX schools within the ASC would not play each other.
An interesting idea anyhow. And yeah, McM needs to do well this regional. The ASC desperately needs the good recognition.
If it's not too much trouble, could someone please give periodic updates on today's games. I am able to view the boards only through my phone. Im sitting through a seminar today, and would love to follow the action.
Hey U-cat 17.
Try looking for the baseball scoreboard that Pat and Co. created in order to find the info. Like you, i'm checking in periodically from my work site and wish i could do it easily using my computer. Best of luck and Go Leo's and Panthers.
I can't access the scoreboard through my phone. It won't display the scores.
4-2 or 5-2 Chapman in the 6th (the score went backwards a min ago on stattracker). Yacko is only 3 for 3 with a triple already.
Thanks for the update. I assume Kitchens is throwing. Those two runs scored account for about his total for the season. It will be interesting to see if they require Yacko to pitch in this game. I'm sure they are hoping for a CG from Kitchens.
Yacko in for Kitchens, middle of 7... 4-3 Chap
Going to the bottom of the 7th, Chapman 4, ULV 3.
In the top of the 7th, Yacko relieved Kitchens aft er he gave up a gorund-out, a single, a HBP, and then a single. Yacko got Marcus sac fly to right, scoring Larini. Hattabaugh flew to CF to end the inning. 1 run 2 hits and 2 LOB!
Disappointment!
I was chatting with Jim Dixon about disappointment in the West series.
I think that disappointment will be anytime that Chapman snuffs a rally!
I know that Yacko is rested, but even if Chapman wins, using him for three innings has to be viewed as a setback. We'll see how the game finishes, but La Verne may be opening the door for someone else.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2008, 03:07:20 PM
Disappointment!
I was chatting with Jim Dixon about disappointment in the West series.
I think that disappointment will be anytime that Chapman snuffs a rally!
That's because the co-champs are just that good.
As expected, this game will indeed go down to the wire just like there previous meetings. Geeze, i love it when theirs midday baseball. ;D
As long as Yacko is not used more than 3 innings the panther pictching staff will be alright. I know that there has been several occasions in the past in which Yacko briefly appeared when he wasn''t suppose ( in order to help out) for three innings and came back the following games ready to go. So in all, they will be fine.
4-3 still, going into the top of the 9th. Last chance for LV
runners on second and third, Marcus flied out to CF to end it. Chapman 4-3
Congratulations to the SCIAC co-champs. The next games will indeed the panthers time to shine.
Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 14, 2008, 03:40:06 PM
Congratulations to the SCIAC co-champs. The next games will indeed the panthers time to shine.
Browneagle, I guess this goes to show you that LaVerne is for real. They played the Panthers tough in the regular season and as I expected they played them tough today. It was nerve racking for a while there but the best one two punch in DIII showed why they are the best. Kitchens didn't have his best stuff today and LaVerne showed why they are in the tournament.
Ralph I guess that there is going to be a lot of "disappointment" in this series if you look at it that way, once the tournament starts it's a whole new season for all teams and there is still a lot of baseball to play and I am not counting any team out at this point, especially with the heat and humidity.
I wish I could be there and it is real hard to try to watch the computer take it's time in getting the scores out. I am wondering if there is any other avenues for these games via the internet I have looked everywhere and can't find any links to be able to hear or watch these games. Does anybody know where to look to be able to hear at least the audio??? At least to be able to get the balls and strike count on the McMurry site so we can try to keep score ourselves and keep track of the pitch count?
Sounds like a good game. I hope all the games turn out this way. If so, the team that wins the West will surely be tested once they get to Appleton.
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Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 14, 2008, 03:40:06 PM
Congratulations to the SCIAC co-champs. The next games will indeed the panthers time to shine.
Browneagle, I guess this goes to show you that LaVerne is for real. They played the Panthers tough in the regular season and as I expected they played them tough today. It was nerve racking for a while there but the best one two punch in DIII showed why they are the best. Kitchens didn't have his best stuff today and LaVerne showed why they are in the tournament.
That's what i've been trying to argue about the Leo's through out the entire season over on the SCIAC board. To bad that they got paired with the number 1 team in the nation, as i am sure they will now cause havoc in this tourney until they meet up with the panthers yet again. ;)
btw, a little heat and humidity could never affect our so.cal boys, it was probabiliy the long plane ride getting there ;)
I think Trinity came ready to play!
Its showtime Yacko can and will pitch 2 1/3 innings in each game if needed. Lets hope he dosn't have to. Both pitchers were not on ther best game But its playoff time and its all about wins. Laverne is well coached and is a very good team year after year.
Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 14, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
Quote from: chakote on May 14, 2008, 03:57:34 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 14, 2008, 03:40:06 PM
Congratulations to the SCIAC co-champs. The next games will indeed the panthers time to shine.
Browneagle, I guess this goes to show you that LaVerne is for real. They played the Panthers tough in the regular season and as I expected they played them tough today. It was nerve racking for a while there but the best one two punch in DIII showed why they are the best. Kitchens didn't have his best stuff today and LaVerne showed why they are in the tournament.
That's what i've been trying to argue about the Leo's through out the entire season over on the SCIAC board. To bad that they got paired with the number 1 team in the nation, as i am sure they will now cause havoc in this tourney until they meet up with the panthers yet again. ;)
btw, a little heat and humidity could never affect our school call boys, it was probabiliy the long plane ride getting there ;)
Your right Eagle it's not the heat it's more like you said with the plane ride to Dallas and then the 4 1/2 hour bus ride into Abeline. That wll take it out of anybody ::). But now it's game time and this is when you have to dig deep and play the best ball you can. This is why your here and what you worked so hard for all year.
After five and one-half, Trinity 4, George Fox 0. Bronson has allowed four hits, no walks, and struck out five so far. Nick Bratney left after the third inning having given up four runs (three earned) and seven hits. In three innings of relief, Brady Rhodes has held the Tigers to a single hit and struck out three.
4-1 Trinity after seven. Consecutive singles by Fobert and Winterstein scored Wyckoff, who walked to lead off the bottom half of the sixth. Trinity turned a double play and Bronson struck out Brown to end the threat. Meanwhile, Rhodes continues to dominate on the mound for GF, allowing only a two-out single in the top of the seventh. Bronson got back on track, retiring the side in order in the bottom of the inning.
Dylan Early hits a two-run shot to extend the Trinity lead to 6-1 after eight as Bronson again retires GF in order in the bottom of the inning.
Final - Trinity wins 8-1, scoring a couple of unearned runs in the top of the ninth. Bronson once again retired the side in the bottom half, ending with his tenth strikeout. Trinity got 14 hits to just six by George Fox. They'll face the McMurry-CS East Bay winner in the nightcap tomorrow.
What time is Game #3 going to begin?
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 14, 2008, 06:52:11 PM
Final - Trinity wins 8-1, scoring a couple of unearned runs in the top of the ninth. Bronson once again retired the side in the bottom half, ending with his tenth strikeout. Trinity got 14 hits to just six by George Fox. They'll face the McMurry-CS East Bay winner in the nightcap tomorrow.
Trinity's win was formidable, and what a pitching performance by Bronson!!! I think that tomorrow's games will be a little different with the traveling teams getting the rest they definitly need. McMurry should handle CSUEB which means if I am reading this right McMurry and Trinity will play tomorrow and that should be a great game to say the least.
Bottom of the second, after an infield single by Voorhees CSU-EB pitcher Veira strikes out the side.
CSU-EB 4-0. (2 unearned runs in the first by CSU-EB)
ARE THE THREE BEST TEAMS FROM CALIFORNIA?
Quote from: chakote on May 14, 2008, 09:19:37 PM
Trinity's win was formidable, and what a pitching performance by Bronson!!! I think that tomorrow's games will be a little different with the traveling teams getting the rest they definitly need. McMurry should handle CSUEB which means if I am reading this right McMurry and Trinity will play tomorrow and that should be a great game to say the least.
It looks like you might have spoken too soon on this one. McMurry is in jeopardy of being just gracious hosts unless they have an answer for Chapman tomorrow. That is of course unless they have something up their sleeves tonight, being down by 11 at this point in the 4th inning.
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 14, 2008, 10:09:57 PM
ARE THE THREE BEST TEAMS FROM CALIFORNIA?
I think that's a relatively quick conclusion to jump to personally, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Let's be honest, most people knew that McMurry's team was vulnerable on the mound -- it's been the case the entire year. Did I expect Curry to be better on the bump? Obviously, yes, but in spite of how well they pitched during the conference tournament McMurry is a team that's is going to try and outslug you. That's the fiber of that team.
I still hate that UT Tyler didn't play up to par down the stretch in the tournament because while they didn't necessarily have the staff to make a -really- deep run they did have pitchers capable of matching up better throughout the course of the first couple of games.
That said, this McMurry team is one that's battled and overcome adversity all year. Let's see how they respond. It will be easy to fold up and go home, or they can run Johnston out there and fight. Unfortunatley they're running up against the #1 team in the nation so we'll see.
JSG
And the McM pitcher who beat Chapman in February is not likely to face the Chapman pitcher whom they beat.
Quote from: utilitycat17 on May 14, 2008, 10:22:57 PM
Quote from: chakote on May 14, 2008, 09:19:37 PM
Trinity's win was formidable, and what a pitching performance by Bronson!!! I think that tomorrow's games will be a little different with the traveling teams getting the rest they definitly need. McMurry should handle CSUEB which means if I am reading this right McMurry and Trinity will play tomorrow and that should be a great game to say the least.
It looks like you might have spoken too soon on this one. McMurry is in jeopardy of being just gracious hosts unless they have an answer for Chapman tomorrow. That is of course unless they have something up their sleeves tonight, being down by 11 at this point in the 4th inning.
well you know Cat; stranger things have happened but down by 11 with half the game to go is quite a formidible task in itself. but I have nothing but high hopes for McMurry, I know that this is quite a monumental score to overcome. And that means if the score remains the same McMurry, the Host Team, will face elimination themselves if they can't win against the Panthers in tomorrows game. Should be a very interesting game to say the least.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
And the McM pitcher who beat Chapman in February is not likely to face the Chapman pitcher whom they beat.
WHY - is he injured??
Voorhees has only pitched 3 innings since he started against and beat Chapman the second game of the season, must has some sort of arm issue
Unless San Antonio has moved to Cali or whatever then No the three best teams so far are not from the Golden State.
Quote from: BigCat43 on May 14, 2008, 11:23:04 PM
Ok, the top 2 teams are from California
Drag,
Why don't we let it play itself out and see? East Bay has been consistently better all year long with Viera on the bump. If Oates has good command tomorrow I think Trinity will beat East Bay in tomorrow's match up, but who knows? That's why they play the games...
JSG
Sounds good, we will let it play out and see, but i believe that the best two teams are Chapman and CSUEB
CSU-EB 14, McM 7. Final.
Viera was pulled after 6 innings, so he should be ready later in the tourney.
Quote from: BigCat43 on May 14, 2008, 11:39:29 PM
Sounds good, we will let it play out and see, but i believe that the best two teams are Chapman and CSUEB
I thought the best two teams were Chapman and Trinity. I know that BOTH Texas teams would love to shut Chapman down. But then again everyone wants a piece of Chapman :D
There's no doubt that we should consider that there are indeed three teams from Cali. that are good.
One thing for sure, I don't think anyone should count CSUEB out or even consider them being a team that isn't capable of being a legit power like chapman. Granted that they are riding a new wave of success, you need to take into account how this team has faired throughout the entire season to see that they are indeed a team that belongs at the tourney. (Look up their schedule and results and then you'll understand why they have made it thus far.
Btw, don't count the Leo's out Bog Cat---- I've argued through out the season and within the last weeks that these guys can take on the big boys. I am sure they will do well against G. FOx.
Go leo's. , represent the SCIAC.
If I read one more person even MENTION that the CALI teams have traveled, and are at a "disadvantage" because of it, I am going to throw up on my keyboard. If you cant step up and play somewhere other than your backyard then its going to be a long hard road in life. These kids are >22, lets give them some credit. And by the way, the drive from DFW to Abilene is not 4 and a half hours. Lets let the guys show what they can do without us old guys giving them excuses.
I missed the post reguarding Cali having a disadvantage do to travel. Where are they. This is PLAYOFF BASEBALL WINS ARE ALL THAT COUNT ADVANTAGE OR NOT.
Quote from: itsd3baseball on May 15, 2008, 01:29:37 AM
If I read one more person even MENTION that the CALI teams have traveled, and are at a "disadvantage" because of it, I am going to throw up on my keyboard. If you cant step up and play somewhere other than your backyard then its going to be a long hard road in life. These kids are >22, lets give them some credit. And by the way, the drive from DFW to Abilene is not 4 and a half hours. Lets let the guys show what they can do without us old guys giving them excuses.
I might be wron g but I think that might have been sarcasm. They traveled on Monday for crying out loud. They are staying in hotels in Abeline and it's not like they have a long drive to the park. I don't think there were any serious talks about there being a disadvantage, but I have been wrong before....once ;D
Your a good guy Parkman I like reading your post and I dont know you but I like you.
Thanks
HALLEBASEBALL
Quote from: itsd3baseball on May 15, 2008, 01:29:37 AM
If I read one more person even MENTION that the CALI teams have traveled, and are at a "disadvantage" because of it, I am going to throw up on my keyboard. If you cant step up and play somewhere other than your backyard then its going to be a long hard road in life. These kids are >22, lets give them some credit. And by the way, the drive from DFW to Abilene is not 4 and a half hours. Lets let the guys show what they can do without us old guys giving them excuses.
It was a joke It's. Throwing a Pun or two. Relax old man. I wish these games can be played all day long, but in between time, the most we can do as fan is throw a joke or two. Take a salt tablet if you still need to throw up, word has it, that such remedie works for old farts :P
Btw, Once again you stand corrected Mr. J.P.
Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 15, 2008, 12:55:19 AM
Granted that they are riding a new wave of success, you need to take into account how this team has faired throughout the entire season to see that they are indeed a team that belongs at the tourney. (Look up their schedule and results and then you'll understand why they have made it thus far.
They obviously deserve to be there. I don't know who would question that.
That said, I don't know that it's necessarily a new wave of success. They were there 2 years ago led by Ray Stokes (oh and two guys that are back Lamonte Toney and Matt Vieira).
Like so many other teams in this regional I question their depth on the bump. Simmons, Roll and Dunn have to pitch really well, and all three are certainly capable of it, but they're all also capable of being vulnerable and imploding.
Those TU freshman might just be naive enough to not know any better and keep swinging the sticks like they did today. Should be a good game.
JSG
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 15, 2008, 02:03:28 AM
Your a good guy Parkman I like reading your post and I dont know you but I like you.
Thanks
HALLEBASEBALL
Wow, I never thought I would hear someone be so nice on here :)
Not to harp on the travel comment, but the only people I recall mentioning the travel as an issue were Texans. I couldn't find one person from California complaining that the travel was an issue at all.
Was travel an issue when the rest of the region had to travel to Chaopman's home field 3 or 4 straight years?
Quote from: itsd3baseball on May 15, 2008, 01:29:37 AM
If I read one more person even MENTION that the CALI teams have traveled, and are at a "disadvantage" because of it, I am going to throw up on my keyboard. If you cant step up and play somewhere other than your backyard then its going to be a long hard road in life. These kids are >22, lets give them some credit. And by the way, the drive from DFW to Abilene is not 4 and a half hours. Lets let the guys show what they can do without us old guys giving them excuses.
yea, itsd3 they do have medicine for that, and no one is trying to give the kids an excuse for anything, whether your 21 or 22 these kids are resilent and will do just fine, I do think that they came to play and the only team that had prblems yesterday with the first day jitters was the Host team!!! I have a feeling they will come out and fair a little better today but to get by that high powered offense that Chapman has will be interesting. could it be 2 and barbque for the hosts we will see?
My bad for the sarcasm last night guys- i had a few beers in me:-\. As an ex collegiate baseball player I just remember that traveling for the Regionals and World Series was nothing because you realize how BIG it is. And yes MCM, the host has succumb being the home team and that is my point. Didnt mean to rile (sp) everyone up-ill try to steer clear of the board on drinky night next time.
Quote from: itsd3baseball on May 15, 2008, 11:55:45 AM
My bad for the sarcasm last night guys- i had a few beers in me:-\. As an ex collegiate baseball player I just remember that traveling for the Regionals and World Series was nothing because you realize how BIG it is. And yes MCM, the host has succumb being the home team and that is my point. Didnt mean to rile (sp) everyone up-ill try to steer clear of the board on drinky night next time.
No big Itsd3 hope that you had a good time last night to go along with the beers, personally I think today's games will be quite a bit different for all teams involved now that the adreneline had calmed down a little. Opening day jitters you know. I expect some good baseball today, I know I do!! :)
George Fox is out to a 4-0 lead over La Verne. (Now 4-3 after 3 full)
-- that changes the tone of this post --
I think it's time to make a move if you're the Leos and go to Wilfong or Wheatley.
I know that Browneagle completely disagrees, but I still can't help but wonder if the Redlands or Pomona (prior to Colvin's arm injury) would've been more prepared for this tournament. Not to diminish the season La Verne has had (and are still having - I'm certainly not counting them out), but both of those other teams collapsed down the stretch to help open the door for the Leos.
Do you look at it and say that Nolan Nicholson and McCarthy are a better #1 and #2 up front and therefore could help the Bulldogs win one out of the gate?
I mean La Verne's strength seems to be Wilfong and Wheatley out of the pen, but you have to get to the pen in a situation you're prepared to win.
Maybe Pomona is a mute point at this point -- a case of a team peaking during the wrong time of the year.
In any event, I'm just trying to incite a little chatter.
JSG
La Verne 9 - George Fox 4
Wilfong has yet to give up a hit in 2.1
GFU has made 4 errors that contributed to 4 ER.
No malice assumed.
Two and barbecue is dreaded...
Maybe we can break this regional wide open with a win over Chapman. :)
looking at the "sidearm stats" it seems like the LA Verne and GF game is getting exciting -
top of 8th LV 9 and GF 6.
Final -- ULV 11, GFU 6. ULV plays in Game #8, the second scheduled game for Friday.
Trinity preview (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/08BB33.pdf) of the CS East Bay game is up.
Interesting tidbit: Tiger starter Brian Oates has a 1-0 record against East Bay, defeating them 9-3 in a 2004 playoff game on the West Coast.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2008, 03:56:34 PM
Trinity preview (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/08BB33.pdf) of the CS East Bay game is up.
Interesting tidbit: Tiger starter Brian Oates has a 1-0 record against East Bay, defeating them 9-3 in a 2004 playoff game on the West Coast.
:D :D :D
More evidence that red-shirting is rampant in the Trinity athletic department! :o
;D
I got the answer to the question in the back of my mind...
Livestats shows that McMurry will start the MVP of the ASC tourney...Dakota Smith.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2008, 04:09:15 PM
More evidence that red-shirting is rampant in the Trinity athletic department! :o
Oates was 7-0 in 2004 as a freshman. 2.62 ERA, 70Ks in 55 IP, .187 avg against.
He struggled with an injured riddled season in 2005. Show signs of brilliance in 2006 before another injury that he tried to fight back from for the regionals. He gave up 2 ER on 3 H to TLU, which upped his ERA to 1.93, and avg against to .157 -- They were even prettier prior to his efforts to fight back. Then he was injured and took a medical in 2007.
I would've loved to see his collegiate career without all the injuries.
In that particular East Bay game that Trinity one he did have 7 BB in 5.1, but only 4 H to give up 2 ER. Command was the issue, and it will be the issue tonight. If he's in control of the strike zone and limits the WP with runners on, he'll be in good shape.
The thing about this TU team is that they're not even close to living up to their potential on the mound:
In 2005, Bignall was key cog on the bump for Trinity.
In 2006, Bronson was still an after though in the bullpen. Bignall was 7-2 as a starter w/ a 4.02 ERA, .236 avg against. Horn was 4-1, 1.74 ERA, .240 avg against.
Then in 2007, as Poffenroth started to come into his own, Bignall and Horn's careers started to decline. Imagine this Tiger team with those two guys pitching to what was obviously their potential. And that's before you get me started on Michael Hunter.
JSG
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 15, 2008, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2008, 04:09:15 PM
More evidence that red-shirting is rampant in the Trinity athletic department! :o
Oates was 7-0 in 2004 as a freshman. 2.62 ERA, 70Ks in 55 IP, .187 avg against.
He struggled with an injured riddled season in 2005. Show signs of brilliance in 2006 before another injury that he tried to fight back from for the regionals. He gave up 2 ER on 3 H to TLU, which upped his ERA to 1.93, and avg against to .157 -- They were even prettier prior to his efforts to fight back. Then he was injured and took a medical in 2007.
I would've loved to see his collegiate career without all the injuries.
In that particular East Bay game that Trinity one he did have 7 BB in 5.1, but only 4 H to give up 2 ER. Command was the issue, and it will be the issue tonight. If he's in control of the strike zone and limits the WP with runners on, he'll be in good shape.
The thing about this TU team is that they're not even close to living up to their potential on the mound:
In 2005, Bignall was key cog on the bump for Trinity.
In 2006, Bronson was still an after though in the bullpen. Bignall was 7-2 as a starter w/ a 4.02 ERA, .236 avg against. Horn was 4-1, 1.74 ERA, .240 avg against.
Then in 2007, as Poffenroth started to come into his own, Bignall and Horn's careers started to decline. Imagine this Tiger team with those two guys pitching to what was obviously their potential. And that's before you get me started on Michael Hunter.
JSG
Once again, your research and knowledge astounds me!
Hey Ralph,
what is up with the heckler section of your fans? what kind of sportsmanship is it when they are making fun of the other team? not a good example of the mcmurry team and how they play. i would think they would be welcoming, but this surprising. what a disappointment.
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on May 15, 2008, 05:39:53 PM
Hey Ralph,
what is up with the heckler section of your fans? what kind of sportsmanship is it when they are making fun of the other team? not a good example of the mcmurry team and how they play. i would think they would be welcoming, but this surprising. what a disappointment.
Sour grapes? Don't blame Ralph for the actions of others.
i said ralph because mcmurry is his team and he always brags about them...it wasn't meant to be a personal attack. apologies if it seemed that way...it just surprised me because i thought kean was bad...
McM surprising Chapman so far 3-2 after four and one half, Chapman to bat in the bottom of the fifth.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2008, 05:47:31 PM
McM surprising Chapman so far 3-2 after four and one half, Chapman to bat in the bottom of the fifth.
3-3 now going into the top of the 8 (Smith gets Vass to ground into a double play), Smith has got to be getting a bit fatigued however. McM needs to score again prior to Yacko entering the game in order to give them the best chance at an upset. The thing is there's about 6 guys on that roster capable of doing it with one swing.
JSG
I know we have some spirited fans who show up frequently. The AD is well aware of them and watches them carefully.
I usually only see the guys play when they are in the Dallas area. My day-job precludes attending most games, so I follow by live stats and radio broadcasts.
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on May 15, 2008, 05:39:53 PM
Hey Ralph,
what is up with the heckler section of your fans? what kind of sportsmanship is it when they are making fun of the other team? not a good example of the mcmurry team and how they play. i would think they would be welcoming, but this surprising. what a disappointment.
The hecklers have been around for quite some time now, and they are monitored during games on what they say. They're there mainly to bring support to the mcm boys,and toss in a few verbal pokes to the opponents. Its all fun and games, and if anyone seriously takes offense to it, should probably take some lessons on "lightening up".
...nothing can get worse then one of the moms from concordia ;)
Quote from: McM0822 on May 15, 2008, 06:18:36 PM
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on May 15, 2008, 05:39:53 PM
Hey Ralph,
what is up with the heckler section of your fans? what kind of sportsmanship is it when they are making fun of the other team? not a good example of the mcmurry team and how they play. i would think they would be welcoming, but this surprising. what a disappointment.
The hecklers have been around for quite some time now, and they are monitored during games on what they say. They're there mainly to bring support to the mcm boys,and toss in a few verbal pokes to the opponents. Its all fun and games, and if anyone seriously takes offense to it, should probably take some lessons on "lightening up".
...nothing can get worse then one of the moms from concordia ;)
You know how those Lutheran women can be :)
i know it is all fun and games but from what i've been told they are taking it a bit far. but we cant always believe what we are told.
well its the bottom of the 8th...tied 3-3. two outs chapman up lets see if they can deliver
Top of the 9th, one out, McM runners on 2nd and 3rd.
Yacko relieving Clear to fact catcher Thomas Beckham.
Beckham grounds out to 3b.
Jackson strikes out swinging.
...and here comes yacko to pitch.
2 outs with nate love up.
Quote from: McM0822 on May 15, 2008, 06:40:18 PM
...and here comes yacko to pitch.
2 outs with nate love up.
More disappointment apparantly...
HEy heckling is part of the game, if you cant take it, play lacrosse. If you dont want them to heckkle, beat the hell out of them and they will shut up.
driggs switching it up..bennett to second and gaona to pitch.
Nothings worse then those keg partys in left field like they used to do at TLU, those guys could dig deep with some of the stuff they threw at you.
Yes. As I have said before,
disappointment will be letting Chapman off the hook!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2008, 06:45:53 PM
Yes. As I have said before,
disappointment will be letting Chapman off the hook!
With Redding on third with 2 outs, Yacko grounds to SS.
Top of the 10th.
doesnt get much better than this.
here we go mcm!!
MC had a rowdy crowd in right field....they got pretty nasty/drunk. I think the best hecklers were when i played at Schriener. They had a printed out team roster and really dug into any pitchers that were warming up in our bullpen. They came up with some really funny stuff.
C'mon McM, need to win this one for yourselves and for the ASC!
Top of the 11th. The #4, 5, 6 batters up.
Yacko on the mound for Chapman.
3 up , 3 down including two strike outs. Still tied 3-3.
Chapman...
# 8 batter, Matt Pearson leading off, followed by SS Kyle Redding, then Ryan Prechtl
Looks like Yacko is really mowing em down :-\
is there a link where you are following the game?
Quote from: beachlover on May 15, 2008, 07:20:36 PM
is there a link where you are following the game?
http://athletics.mcm.edu/Sports/baseball/2008/08baseballregional.asp
well...game over. good game chapman.
wow.
Quote from: McM0822 on May 15, 2008, 06:44:14 PM
driggs switching it up..bennett to second and gaona to pitch.
TWO AND BAR B QUE
Thanks for the link. Tuned in just in time. ;)
Disappointment...
My father always said that rallies start at the bottom of the lineup.
We have runners on first and second, one out, top of the 12th and the leadoff batter grounds into a DP 6-4-3!
Do not let Chapman off the hook!
Excellent game. Both teams should be commended. Chapman for showing why they are the #1 team in the country fighting relentlessly to get the victory, and McMurry for really letting them hang and playing arguably the best team in the country a GREAT game when it would've been really easy for them to fold up and go home after the East Bay game last night.
I love West Region Baseball.
Also, congrats are in order to Linfield for defeating the #1 seed in that region Illinois W, to stay alive... and eliminate the #1 seed.
JSG
Well, friends in the West Regional...
We put another 3.2 innings on Yacko's arm!
Quote from: tloc14 on May 15, 2008, 06:53:39 PM
MC had a rowdy crowd in right field....they got pretty nasty/drunk. I think the best hecklers were when i played at Schriener. They had a printed out team roster and really dug into any pitchers that were warming up in our bullpen. They came up with some really funny stuff.
C'mon McM, need to win this one for yourselves and for the ASC!
The best hecklers were in Redlands and Cal Lu they both had a right field heckling squads that looked up the stats and all the info they could and go after the outfielders. Great Game McMurry you played tough and took a little wind out of the Panthers sail. There bats have been somewhat silenced this post season.
Great game, tough exit. Good luck to the remaining teams.
Chapman played like a veteran, battle tested team is suppose to play in tough games. They kept fighting and pulled it out in the end. I think the team's and coach's experience payed off in the end.
Still, good job McM for coming out today and giving Chapman all they could handle.
Quote from: tloc14 on May 15, 2008, 07:44:15 PM
Great game, tough exit. Good luck to the remaining teams.
Chapman played like a veteran, battle tested team is suppose to play in tough games. They kept fighting and pulled it out in the end. I think the team's and coach's experience payed off in the end.
Still, good job McM for coming out today and giving Chapman all they could handle.
Great Post Tloc
Quote from: chakote on May 15, 2008, 07:48:49 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on May 15, 2008, 07:44:15 PM
Great game, tough exit. Good luck to the remaining teams.
Chapman played like a veteran, battle tested team is suppose to play in tough games. They kept fighting and pulled it out in the end. I think the team's and coach's experience payed off in the end.
Still, good job McM for coming out today and giving Chapman all they could handle.
Great Post Tloc
Great Game to Ryan Clear and Kurt Yacko, he defintily needs a little rest after the last to games
Good win for the panthers today, the good teams always win the close ones
Quote from: chakote on May 15, 2008, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on May 15, 2008, 06:53:39 PM
MC had a rowdy crowd in right field....they got pretty nasty/drunk. I think the best hecklers were when i played at Schriener. They had a printed out team roster and really dug into any pitchers that were warming up in our bullpen. They came up with some really funny stuff.
C'mon McM, need to win this one for yourselves and for the ASC!
The best hecklers were in Redlands and Cal Lu they both had a right field heckling squads that looked up the stats and all the info they could and go after the outfielders. Great Game McMurry you played tough and took a little wind out of the Panthers sail. There bats have been somewhat silenced this post season.
I was thinking the exact same thing. However, it was always left field for both schools when I played. At Redlands they had a group of guys that lived across the street in the apartments that were pretty loud, but pretty funny. At Cal Lu they would drive their trucks up to the fence in left field and sit in the bed of their trucks and yell all game from out there. However, that was back when Cal Lu and Chapman had a huge rivalry and the hecklers, however loud they may have been, were nothing compared to what was coming out of both dugouts. I couldn't believe some of the stuff that guys used to say out of those dugouts. Some was funny, but most was pretty bad.
I always felt that was what fueled the rivalry between Chapman and Cal Lu though. Those games were always the most fun, because you hated the other team so much that it brought the best out of everyone. As far as I know, it doesn't say anywhere in the rulebook that you have to like your opponents. Although there is a certain code of conduct that should be maintained, toeing that line has been a part of sports forever. Heckling doesn't always work out to your benefit, though. I truely think that it was, at least in part, the rivalry between Chapman and Cal Lu from about 1997-2001 that helped bring Chapman to the national level. At that point Cal Lu was the dominant program in the West. As Chapman gained in strength so did their rivalry, and it made Chapman have to elevate their game very quickly to compete. Unfortunately for Cal Lu, from 2000-2003 they only beat Chapman one time. Since then Cal Lu hasn't been much of a factor in the SCIAC, and the rivalry doesn't really exist anymore. The point of all this is to say that heckling can be an intimidating force that can work for you, but it can also be a force that can work against you. Ultimately it is just a part of college sports that has probably always been there, and may always be there, love it or hate it.
TU 6, CSU-EB 0, top of the 7th. (TU left the bases loaded in the bottom of the 6th..)
TU 6, CSU-EB 2 and bases loaded with 2 outs in the top of the 7th. Oates is still on the mound.
CSU-EB Thomasson (clean-up hitter) up now.
Oates Robertson on in relief for Oates strikes him out! 2 runs, 2 hits, 3 LOB. (Oates faced 3 batters in the 7th.)
TU's Dylan Early hits a 2-run HR in bottom of the 8th. 8-3, TU
Chapman proved today that they can win the tough close ones, look for them to continue that tear tomorrow as they roll into the championship on Saturday
Who will be on the bump?
Sigman vs. Poffenroth ?
Chapman could go with Luzar I guess, but I expect to see Sigman.
For Trinity, they have a bunch of different options. Poffenroth hasn't been that great down the stretch, but after that 1-2 punch there's been quite a bit of uncertainty this year with their starting pitching. They could go also go Bukowski, maybe Calbick ?
JSG
Gonna be tough for Trinity - would have been much better for them to face Chapman with one of their two studs - especially given that they go from the late game yesterday to the early game today.
im a bit confused. i was told that today's game between Chapman and Trinity(tex) was at 12, and i checked the live stats and it says 1. so which one is true because a player himself told me 12 that is why im confused
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on May 16, 2008, 10:36:25 AM
im a bit confused. i was told that today's game between Chapman and Trinity(tex) was at 12, and i checked the live stats and it says 1. so which one is true because a player himself told me 12 that is why im confused
The game is at 12. The times on the d3 live stats board may be Eastern time?
Hope this helps.
JSG
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 16, 2008, 03:46:15 AM
Who will be on the bump?
Sigman vs. Poffenroth ?
Chapman could go with Luzar I guess, but I expect to see Sigman.
For Trinity, they have a bunch of different options. Poffenroth hasn't been that great down the stretch, but after that 1-2 punch there's been quite a bit of uncertainty this year with their starting pitching. They could go also go Bukowski, maybe Calbick ?
JSG
It is going to be a great game -Sigmond is most likely going to get the start, with Luzar in for a couple if needed.
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 16, 2008, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on May 16, 2008, 10:36:25 AM
im a bit confused. i was told that today's game between Chapman and Trinity(tex) was at 12, and i checked the live stats and it says 1. so which one is true because a player himself told me 12 that is why im confused
The game is at 12. The times on the d3 live stats board may be Eastern time?
Hope this helps.
JSG
that makes sense. thank you :)
Are there no LiveStats for today? I went to the tourney web page and there is no link.
Jack,
You can just click the live stats link from last night's game and it will take you there, or try this:
http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball/
JSG
I got em up and running now. Thanks.
Chapman 9-7, Trinity batting in the bottom of the 6th, one out, Fregosi is batting.
Sigman on the mound for Chapman.
TU pitcher of record is Ryan Poffenroth, chased after 3.1 innings, having given up 8 earned runs. Britton Horn has gone 2.2 in relief.
Yacko AGAIN??????
Quote from: itsd3baseball on May 16, 2008, 03:30:16 PM
Yacko AGAIN??????
Gets the job done
again. If Chapman wins the whole thing I think Yacko deserves MVP based solely on his work out of the pen during the tournament thus far.
JSG
Even if they dont win it sounds like he does. Today is the first day he doesnt have atleast i think 3 or 4 hits. Guy sounds like a savior.
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 16, 2008, 03:31:51 PM
Quote from: itsd3baseball on May 16, 2008, 03:30:16 PM
Yacko AGAIN??????
Gets the job done again. If Chapman wins the whole thing I think Yacko deserves MVP based solely on his work out of the pen during the tournament thus far.
JSG
I agree!!! McMurry put 3.2 innings on him last night!
Is that the same guy who is 0 for 5?
Holy cow what a game! Yacko has a rubber arm and I think Chapman just put themselves in VERY good position to win this thing. Great effort by Trinity.
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 16, 2008, 04:05:05 PM
Is that the same guy who is 0 for 5?
He's still 6-15 in the tournament.
Then he's thrown 8.2 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 8 Ks out of the pen. That includes a save against La Verne and a win against McMurry.
JSG
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 16, 2008, 04:10:14 PM
Holy cow what a game! Yacko has a rubber arm and I think Chapman just put themselves in VERY good position to win this thing. Great effort by Trinity.
I was able to listen and watch via web cast from Trinity U. and the announcers were the best announcers that I have heard in a long time what a great job you guys if your by chance checking the DIII boards.
Yacko is the best and deserves the MVP if they win the tournament.
Trinity great job today and hopefully we get to see you tomorrow in the finals.
I watched live stats all day only to find out in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs that Trinity had a live video web cast. Why didnt McMurry have a link on the Homepage? Shame on me for not going to Trinitys web site I will now check all schools for these extra features. Trinity has a first class program and a first class SID.
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 16, 2008, 04:57:36 PM
I watched live stats all day only to find out in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs that Trinity had a live video web cast. Why didnt McMurry have a link on the Homepage? Shame on me for not going to Trinitys web site I will now check all schools for these extra features. Trinity has a first class program and a first class SID.
I suspect that the video was done independently by the Trinity parents, P.A.W.S! (Youtube Miracle in Mississippi some time... ;) Historymajor and friends.)
I am sure that the videocast was not part of the official NCAA portion of the tourney, and therefore the sponsor was not required to maintain it.
Disappointment in the Abilene TX Regional is letting Chapman off the hook!
Baseball games are always on the hook. Nobody let them off the hook Chapman just won. Trinity compeated and just fell short the boys let nobody off the hook. I would not be surprised if the get two more chances to win. But Trinity will never LET THEM OFF THE HOOK.
I dont get the OFF THE HOOK comment. Trinity, McMurry and La Verne all played very hard and very good. All challenged Chapman until the last inning and a hit could have changed the outcomes of these games. These are the best 3 games this year with every game not decided until the final out.
All the teams are very good and can compete with each other.
Did everyone expect Chapman to be 2 and out in Texas or win every game by 10.
I know Chapman does not underestimated the abilities of the other teams and respects the coaches and players from the other teams.
It has been a excellent and very exciting regional. The Championship games will be on Saturday vs Chapman. Who ever they play will come to play and Chapman will have to play their best to win.
At the end of the day on Saturday we will know who is the best this week. But nobody is letting anyone off the hook if you have been at any of these games.
Good Luck
Just Let them play and will see what happens.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2008, 05:51:33 PM
Disappointment in the Abilene TX Regional is letting Chapman off the hook!
Really Ralph ???let them off the hook ??? I know that you want the Panthers to lose in the worst way and there is still a lot of baseball to play. The difference is that there is playoff experience in play here and like DIII said a timely hit and it could be the difference in the tournament BUT the WESTERN DIVISION CHAMPS have shown why they are in the tournament and they are the WESTERN DIVISION CHAMPS FOR THE PAST HOW many years for a reason and they know how to win. I think Jack said it best and they are the # 1 team for a reason!!!!! :) ;D ;)
Big win for Chapman today, and once again they showed that they can win the tough close ones. Very Very Impressive. Look for that to continue tommorrow as they should punch their 4th STRAIGHT ticket to Appleton. CATS ROLL!!!!
The "off the hook" means getting out of tight jams. There are lots of nuances to the idiom.
In fishing, you can get the hook into the fish's mouth, but if you cannot set the barb, then fish will get away, sometimes with the bait.
I think that we are saying the same thing, but from different dugouts. :)
Let's look at this situation from the opponent's dugout playing in the regionals versus #1 Chapman. You know that you must take advantage of every situation in the game.
To wit,
QuoteLa Verne University 7th (trailing 4-2); Jordan grounded out to ss. Larini singled down
the lf line. Mehl hit by pitch; Larini advanced to second. Munoz, J singled
through the left side; Mehl advanced to second; Larini advanced to third. Yacko
to p. Redding to ss. Evers to 2b for Kitchens. Marcus flied out to rf, SF, RBI;
Mehl advanced to third; Larini scored. Mondotte pinch ran for Munoz, J.
Hattabaugh flied out to cf. 1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB.
QuoteLa Verne University 9th (trailing 4-3) - Jordan struck out. Larini reached on an error
by ss. Mehl flied out to lf. Belcher pinch hit for Mondotte. Belcher singled to
left field; Larini advanced to second. Kalankiewicz pinch ran for Belcher.
Marcus flied out to lf. 0 runs, 1 hit, 1 error, 2 LOB.
QuoteMcMurry University 2nd (no score); Derrick homered to right field, RBI. Voorhees
singled through the right side. Franco singled to left field; Voorhees advanced
to second. Jones singled to third base; Franco advanced to second; Voorhees
advanced to third. Beckham singled through the left side, RBI; Jones advanced
to second; Franco advanced to third; Voorhees scored. Love reached on a
fielder's choice; Beckham advanced to second; Jones advanced to third; Franco
out at home 3b to c. (Did not get the ball out of the infield.) Yurchick reached on a fielder's choice, RBI; Love out at second 2b to ss; Beckham advanced to third; Jones scored. Whitten reached on a fielder's choice; Yurchick out at second ss to 2b. 3 runs, 5 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. (Did not score the runner from third.)
QuoteMcMurry University 9th - (Tied at 3-3.) Voorhees grounded out to 3b. Franco singled to center field. Jones doubled down the rf line; Franco advanced to third. Yacko to p. Evers to 2b for Hyman. Redding to ss. / for Clear. (Two runners in scoring position) Beckham grounded out to 3b. Jackson pinch hit for Love. Jackson struck out swinging. 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB.
QuoteMcMurry University 12th - (Still tied at 3-3. Yacko is appearing in his fourth inning.) Jones reached on an error by 2b. Beckham struck out. Bennett walked; Jones advanced to second. (Runners on first and second with one out), Yurchick grounded into double play ss to 1b; Bennett out on the play. 0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB.
QuoteTrinity 1st, trailing 1-0, Jackson hit by pitch. Calbick flied out to cf. Hoover reached on a fielder's choice; Jackson out at second 3b to 2b. Jones homered to right center, 2 RBI; Hoover scored. Felix singled up the middle. Claydon
singled up the middle; Felix advanced to second. Pennington singled to right
field, RBI; Claydon advanced to third; Felix scored. (Runners on 1B and 3B, two outs,) Early grounded out to 2b. 3 runs, 4 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB.
QuoteBottom of the (Trinity) 7th, trailing 9-7; Calbick lined out to 1b. Hoover grounded out to p. Jones walked. Felix reached on an error by 2b; Jones advanced to second. Claydon hit by pitch; Felix advanced to second; Jones advanced to third. Yacko to p. Redding to ss. Evers to 2b for Sigman. Pennington struck out. 0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 3 LOB.
QuoteBottom of the (Trinity) 9th, trailing 10-7; Hoover grounded out to 3b. Jones reached on an error by 2b. Felix singled through the right side; Jones advanced to second. Claydon reached on a fielder's choice; Felix out at second ss to 2b; Jones advanced to third. Hurst to 2b for Evers. Pennington singled down the rf line, RBI; Claydon advanced to third; Jones scored, unearned. Paillet pinch ran for Pennington. Early singled to left field, RBI; Paillet advanced to second; Claydon scored, unearned. Ramos grounded out to p. 2 runs, 3 hits, 1 error, 2 LOB.
When you have the hook in the fish's mouth, you have to set the hook! ;)
Yes, Chapman is a great team. They maintained their composure in these eight tight situations! They only have to win one game tomorrow to go onto Wisconsin.
Trinity 9, CSU-EB 5! Go Tigers!
Gonna be a very tough road to hoe tomorrow. Chapman is much more rested and obviously knows how to win the close games.
The big question Kitchens or Lazur. Kitchens would pitch game 2 if needed so just throw him game 1?
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 17, 2008, 01:13:35 AM
The big question Kitchens or Lazur. Kitchens would pitch game 2 if needed so just throw him game 1?
kitchens spent the first part of the season on the bench because of injury.... he gets game 2.
Quote from: beachlover on May 17, 2008, 01:18:18 AM
kitchens spent the first part of the season on the bench because of injury.... he gets game 2.
Personally, I think Luzar has shown he's capable of pitching at this level and against teams of this caliber so why not give him a go, and see if you can limit more inning son Kitchens' arm.
That said here's what Kitchens did last year:
May 17th against UT Dallas: 7 IP, 11 H, 6 ER, 1 BB, 4 K
May 19th against Pac Lu: 9 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 11 K
So if they got Kitchens it wouldn't surprise me?
I assume Scannell roles out Bronson to see if he'll give him a gritty performance ...
JSG
I think you have to go with Bronson in #1 and try and squeeze some more out of Oates for #2. Bignall did a nice job the other day after rehabbing much of the season. Robertson has done well........whomever TU puts on the bump, it's going to be a fun one (or two) to watch.
I doubt Trinity will use Bronson all that much, even if he does start. Evan clearly has a potential future beyond college baseball and Coach Scannell is one of those who will be very careful. I know there are many who post about the ring and how it is more important than pitch counts, the future, etc. Very tough decision, but I think the Trinity staff will be very careful.
Quote from: infielddad on May 17, 2008, 12:41:56 PM
I doubt Trinity will use Bronson all that much, even if he does start. Evan clearly has a potential future beyond college baseball and Coach Scannell is one of those who will be very careful. I know there are many who post about the ring and how it is more important than pitch counts, the future, etc. Very tough decision, but I think the Trinity staff will be very careful.
That is a long term approach to a successful coaching tenure.
Having a reputation as a "manager" of not burning out arms is a good one to have when talking with the high school and junior college pitching prospects.
Chapman batting in the bottom of the 4th, leading 4-0.
Chapman's Luzar has a no hitter thru 4.
Halfway back in the top of the 6th...
2 runs on 3 hits with 3 LOB, most occurring with 2 outs remaining. Chapman 4-2.
Howdy Folks.
I finally got a hold of a computer (i decided to head up to northern cali to visit friends and family and let my good ol' computer @ home) that can show me updates from thursdays, fridays and today's games. Not a bad start to this tourney.
I was shocked that the leo's finally got eliminated, but, glad that they indeed represented our SCIAC league really well. This ball club will indeed be missed until the start of next season.
However, i am still glad to hear that the SCIAC co-champs are showing every one from the west all the way to the east coast, why they are considered the best team in the nation. As i mentioned before, these guys always happen to start off slow but know when to pick-up it and walk away with a strong victory. (thus why Mr. Turner mentions that you can't let this team off the hook)
Anywho's, i hope that all clubs that are playing today will enjoy their shot's at trying to punch their tickets to the next big stage of the dance. Best wishes to every team and thank you guys for keeping this board up dated.
Go West regional champs.... I mean Go oxy. Hahaha :P
Congrats to Chapman on making it back to the Series. I hope they represent the west well and I am sure they will. Hats off to Trinity as they played very well in the Regional.
Congrats Chapman West Region Champs 4 years running. Let's hope this is the year they can win their second crown. After the performance that Luzar gave today, Chapman has proven that they are indeed 4 starters deep. That is certainly enough starting pitching. With Yacko in the pen, the only question is whether they will need more than him to come in for relief. Either way, this definitely looks like a very good team, and an excellent representative for the West region going to Appleton. I would think that they would have to be early favorites to win it all. Let's just hope that their past experience combined with their talent, and a little luck mixed in, will be enough.
WAY TO GO CHAPMAN!!!!! 4 YEARS IN A ROW!!!!
good game by both teams
trinity definitely showed why they deserved to be in the championship game.
REPRESENT THE WEST REGION PANTHERS!!! ;D
Everyone gave Chapman their best shots!
Congratulations to the Panthers!
Matt Luzar came thru with a complete game victory!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2008, 01:00:33 PM
Quote from: infielddad on May 17, 2008, 12:41:56 PM
I doubt Trinity will use Bronson all that much, even if he does start. Evan clearly has a potential future beyond college baseball and Coach Scannell is one of those who will be very careful. I know there are many who post about the ring and how it is more important than pitch counts, the future, etc. Very tough decision, but I think the Trinity staff will be very careful.
That is a long term approach to a successful coaching tenure.
Having a reputation as a "manager" of not burning out arms is a good one to have when talking with the high school and junior college pitching prospects.
Is there any type of talk about where the regionals might be played next year? I think that McMurry showed that they can host a major tournament and it would be nice to see it somewhere else other than Orange county or Abeline... Maybe some place where it hasn't been before.
Look how close the Abilene Regional was...
G1 Chapman 4 LaVerne 3
G2 Chapman 5, McMurry 3 12 innings (walk-off HR)
G3 Chapman 10, Trinity 9
G4 Chapman 4, Trinity 3!
Go Chapman! Win it all, in turn showing how good West Region baseball is.
Quote from: gatekeper43 on May 17, 2008, 03:54:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2008, 01:00:33 PM
Quote from: infielddad on May 17, 2008, 12:41:56 PM
I doubt Trinity will use Bronson all that much, even if he does start. Evan clearly has a potential future beyond college baseball and Coach Scannell is one of those who will be very careful. I know there are many who post about the ring and how it is more important than pitch counts, the future, etc. Very tough decision, but I think the Trinity staff will be very careful.
That is a long term approach to a successful coaching tenure.
Having a reputation as a "manager" of not burning out arms is a good one to have when talking with the high school and junior college pitching prospects.
Is there any type of talk about where the regionals might be played next year? I think that McMurry showed that they can host a major tournament and it would be nice to see it somewhere else other than Orange county or Abeline... Maybe some place where it hasn't been before.
good question gatekeeper, I think it would be good to see it in the northwest whether it is in Oregon or Washington.
Congrats to the Panthers for a very hard fought tournament now go get the monkey off your back and take the ring 8)
From all of us fans that didn't go to the games it was a great tournament and for the most part very close games all the way to the last game. Trinity, you guys showed class all the way from the announcers to the coaching and players. great game
Trinity class team, class coaches class players. They played their hearts out with 2 1 run games against the best.
Chapman 8th trip in 11 years to Appleton.
Go get the ring Chapman
GO PANTHERS ;D
Gutsy performance by Matt Luzar.....
I think that Abilene has the two-year contract for the West Regional.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2008, 04:41:07 PM
I think that Abilene has the two-year contract for the West Regional.
I did not know they had a 2-year agreement but if they don't, I would be surprised if it was not back in Orange next year. I believe the next year it should be in McMinnville, OR at Linfield. People might worry about the rain but they have a 99% turf field (the bump is dirt). I think it would be great for Linfield to host as it expands the locations to somewhere it has never been.
If Cal Lutheran gets lights they have a great shot at hosting in the future. They have a first class facility that would be a great place to host.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 17, 2008, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2008, 04:41:07 PM
I think that Abilene has the two-year contract for the West Regional.
I did not know they had a 2-year agreement but if they don't, I would be surprised if it was not back in Orange next year. I believe the next year it should be in McMinnville, OR at Linfield. People might worry about the rain but they have a 99% turf field (the bump is dirt). I think it would be great for Linfield to host as it expands the locations to somewhere it has never been.
If Cal Lutheran gets lights they have a great shot at hosting in the future. They have a first class facility that would be a great place to host.
I have not heard if any NWC schools submitted the paperwork to be considered as a location to regional. With CSU-EB moving to D-II, that is one less school that you can bus to southern California. We are looking at three/four plane flights anywhere in the region at the least.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 17, 2008, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2008, 04:41:07 PM
I think that Abilene has the two-year contract for the West Regional.
I did not know they had a 2-year agreement but if they don't, I would be surprised if it was not back in Orange next year. I believe the next year it should be in McMinnville, OR at Linfield. People might worry about the rain but they have a 99% turf field (the bump is dirt). I think it would be great for Linfield to host as it expands the locations to somewhere it has never been.
If Cal Lutheran gets lights they have a great shot at hosting in the future. They have a first class facility that would be a great place to host.
Cal Lu has a great new facility that is very fan friendly, the only thing that I could say about it is the sun is in the fielders eyes most of the time if you are playing mid morning through afternoon. Besides that a field that is maintained to almost perfection; plenty of parking, and good stands but I am not sure about the hotels in the area as far as accomodations for the teams and family's.
Linfield beats Webster 4-3 in 10 innings to win the (Central) Rock Island IL Regional.
Congrats on both Chapman and Linfiled making it to Appleton. I think its great that 2 West Region teams will be in the series this year. Maybe it will final help the west get some well deserved respect. Since 2 west region teams made it to the series this year and if they keep the current playoff format, does that almost guarantee an 8 team west region tournament next year? Good luck to both teams and Go Panthers!
Quote from: BigCat43 on May 17, 2008, 09:22:03 PM
Congrats on both Chapman and Linfiled making it to Appleton. I think its great that 2 West Region teams will be in the series this year. Maybe it will final help the west get some well deserved respect. Since 2 west region teams made it to the series this year and if they keep the current playoff format, does that almost guarantee an 8 team west region tournament next year? Good luck to both teams and Go Panthers!
Actually, the West has been respected as a strong region by virtue of the championships going to George Fox and Chapman in this decade.
This
does not have any impact on getting an 8-team region.
There were 7 West Region teams to earn post-season bids. The national committee sent several teams from multi-bid conferences to separate regions.
Linfield to the Central
UW-Stevens Point to the Central
Carthage to the Midwest
Montclair State to New York
In fact, in 2009, Mississippi College could earn a bid and be bused to St Louis or Atlanta and another ASC team could be bused to Abilene.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2008, 08:37:18 PM
The "off the hook" means getting out of tight jams. There are lots of nuances to the idiom.
In fishing, you can get the hook into the fish's mouth, but if you cannot set the barb, then fish will get away, sometimes with the bait.
I think that we are saying the same thing, but from different dugouts. :)
Let's look at this situation from the opponent's dugout playing in the regionals versus #1 Chapman. You know that you must take advantage of every situation in the game.
To wit,
QuoteLa Verne University 7th (trailing 4-2); Jordan grounded out to ss. Larini singled down
the lf line. Mehl hit by pitch; Larini advanced to second. Munoz, J singled
through the left side; Mehl advanced to second; Larini advanced to third. Yacko
to p. Redding to ss. Evers to 2b for Kitchens. Marcus flied out to rf, SF, RBI;
Mehl advanced to third; Larini scored. Mondotte pinch ran for Munoz, J.
Hattabaugh flied out to cf. 1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB.
QuoteLa Verne University 9th (trailing 4-3) - Jordan struck out. Larini reached on an error
by ss. Mehl flied out to lf. Belcher pinch hit for Mondotte. Belcher singled to
left field; Larini advanced to second. Kalankiewicz pinch ran for Belcher.
Marcus flied out to lf. 0 runs, 1 hit, 1 error, 2 LOB.
QuoteMcMurry University 2nd (no score); Derrick homered to right field, RBI. Voorhees
singled through the right side. Franco singled to left field; Voorhees advanced
to second. Jones singled to third base; Franco advanced to second; Voorhees
advanced to third. Beckham singled through the left side, RBI; Jones advanced
to second; Franco advanced to third; Voorhees scored. Love reached on a
fielder's choice; Beckham advanced to second; Jones advanced to third; Franco
out at home 3b to c. (Did not get the ball out of the infield.) Yurchick reached on a fielder's choice, RBI; Love out at second 2b to ss; Beckham advanced to third; Jones scored. Whitten reached on a fielder's choice; Yurchick out at second ss to 2b. 3 runs, 5 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. (Did not score the runner from third.)
QuoteMcMurry University 9th - (Tied at 3-3.) Voorhees grounded out to 3b. Franco singled to center field. Jones doubled down the rf line; Franco advanced to third. Yacko to p. Evers to 2b for Hyman. Redding to ss. / for Clear. (Two runners in scoring position) Beckham grounded out to 3b. Jackson pinch hit for Love. Jackson struck out swinging. 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB.
QuoteMcMurry University 12th - (Still tied at 3-3. Yacko is appearing in his fourth inning.) Jones reached on an error by 2b. Beckham struck out. Bennett walked; Jones advanced to second. (Runners on first and second with one out), Yurchick grounded into double play ss to 1b; Bennett out on the play. 0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB.
QuoteTrinity 1st, trailing 1-0, Jackson hit by pitch. Calbick flied out to cf. Hoover reached on a fielder's choice; Jackson out at second 3b to 2b. Jones homered to right center, 2 RBI; Hoover scored. Felix singled up the middle. Claydon
singled up the middle; Felix advanced to second. Pennington singled to right
field, RBI; Claydon advanced to third; Felix scored. (Runners on 1B and 3B, two outs,) Early grounded out to 2b. 3 runs, 4 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB.
QuoteBottom of the (Trinity) 7th, trailing 9-7; Calbick lined out to 1b. Hoover grounded out to p. Jones walked. Felix reached on an error by 2b; Jones advanced to second. Claydon hit by pitch; Felix advanced to second; Jones advanced to third. Yacko to p. Redding to ss. Evers to 2b for Sigman. Pennington struck out. 0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 3 LOB.
QuoteBottom of the (Trinity) 9th, trailing 10-7; Hoover grounded out to 3b. Jones reached on an error by 2b. Felix singled through the right side; Jones advanced to second. Claydon reached on a fielder's choice; Felix out at second ss to 2b; Jones advanced to third. Hurst to 2b for Evers. Pennington singled down the rf line, RBI; Claydon advanced to third; Jones scored, unearned. Paillet pinch ran for Pennington. Early singled to left field, RBI; Paillet advanced to second; Claydon scored, unearned. Ramos grounded out to p. 2 runs, 3 hits, 1 error, 2 LOB.
When you have the hook in the fish's mouth, you have to set the hook! ;)
Yes, Chapman is a great team. They maintained their composure in these eight tight situations! They only have to win one game tomorrow to go onto Wisconsin.
Two last descriptions of "off-the-hook".
QuoteTrinity 6th, trailing 4-0 - Fregosi singled to right field. Jackson struck out
looking. Calbick reached on a fielder's choice; Fregosi out at second 2b to ss.
Hoover hit by pitch; Calbick advanced to second. Jones singled to right field,
RBI; Hoover advanced to second; Calbick scored. Felix singled through the right
side, RBI; Jones advanced to third; Hoover scored. Early grounded out to p.
2 runs, 3 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Good come back, but you leave a runner at third on the groundout to pitcher.
QuoteTrinity 7th, trailing 4-2 - Pennington singled to right field. Claydon grounded out to
3b; Pennington advanced to second. Fregosi singled to center field; Pennington
advanced to third. Jackson walked; Fregosi advanced to second. Calbick struck
out. Hoover reached on a fielder's choice; Jackson advanced to second; Fregosi
advanced to third; Pennington out at home p to c. 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors,
3 LOB. Trinity just cannot get the runner home from second on Fregosi's single or home from third with two outs. Chapman snuffs a rally.
QuoteTrinity 8th, trailing 4-2; - Jones grounded out to 1b unassisted. Felix flied out to
rf. Early singled through the right side. Early advanced to second on a wild
pitch. Pennington singled through the right side, RBI; Early scored. Claydon
reached on a fielder's choice; Pennington out at second ss to 2b. 1 run, 2
hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Must give Trinity credit for a late-inning manufactured rally.
Best wishes, Chapman!
Ralph - right you are. It might have been different had Trinity gotten a break or two ... but great teams make their own breaks. Good luck to Chapman at the D3WS.
With Chapman winning in Texas, I hope this clears up any confusion anyone might have had over whether or not Chapman was just winning because of the home field advantage they had hosting the regional over the past few years. I think that this regional established that come playoff time home field advantage doesn't mean a whole lot. Especially when the home team didn't win a game. Whether the regional is played in Texas again next year, returns to Chapman, or is held somewhere else, I think we can put to rest any notion that location plays as big a role in the outcome as some of our posters have implied it does.
If Abilene doesn't have next year's contract, another good facility would be UT-Tyler.
Irwin Field (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/facilities/)
Ralph, no doubt about it, LaVerne, McMurry, and especially Trinity let Chapman off the hook because they did not capitalize on scoring opportunities. I do not intend to demean Chapman, they played steady fundamental ball and capably exploited mistakes made by their competition. I just did not see them exhibit the overwhelming level of play I expected to see from a number one ranked team. Possibly their lack of superiority was because of the high level of competition they faced ... time will tell. Obviously I wish Chapman well in Wisconsin; their continued success will reflect the talent of the teams they narrowly escaped from. I sincerely hope their ranking was correct, and a national championship will show they came from the toughest region in the country.
Infield Dad, I believe you were absolutely correct when you wrote that Coach Scannell was being very careful with his pitching staff. You can be assured that Bronson and Oates would have been more than willing to take Saturdays start and go as deep as necessary (and in my humble opinion I do not think Chapman would still be playing if they had seen Bronson and Oates). It is indeed refreshing to see a coach that values his pitchers more than a title. The showing Trinity had in the post-season should justify your evaluation of their talent to even the harshest critic. Even though Bronson and Oates may be gone to another level, there is certainly a wealth of young talent on the team that, with the experience they received this year, should be a force to be reckoned with next year.
Agman, welcome to the message boards.
You can follow the D3 Championships on the D3Baseball.com website next week.
Time will tell... ;)
Go Chapman and Linfield!
Quote from: utilitycat17 on May 18, 2008, 01:43:07 PM
With Chapman winning in Texas, I hope this clears up any confusion anyone might have had over whether or not Chapman was just winning because of the home field advantage they had hosting the regional over the past few years. I think that this regional established that come playoff time home field advantage doesn't mean a whole lot. Especially when the home team didn't win a game. Whether the regional is played in Texas again next year, returns to Chapman, or is held somewhere else, I think we can put to rest any notion that location plays as big a role in the outcome as some of our posters have implied it does.
You have to admit if the last three regionals would have been a complete neutral site or in Texas TLU and/or UT Dallas would have atleast won two out of the three years. The Texas teams had to fight through alot more in California than Chapman did this year.
I just don't understand the position IF the past regionals were played somewhere else. It doe not really matter where the games were played. The fact still remains in Texas or California Chapman has won the regional.
Why does anyone have to make excuses for how a team does because where it is played.
The teams from Texas and California played outstanding baseball. in the tournament. Where ever it is played the best team wins in a double elimination format....Let's leave at this and quit complaining about where it is played.
Nobody seems to complain when they go to Appleton. Why here ?
Good Luck to Chapman and bring back a national championship.
That's pretty bold to suggest that a team would go from no regional wins to at least two simply by changing the venue. I can't imagine what would have made that big a difference. I suppose the likes of Yacko, Kitchens, Drag, Klovstad, and others could not possibly have had any success anywhere but at home. That seems like a reasonable suggestion.
Okay, how about this...
Quote from: utilitycat17 on May 19, 2008, 12:11:29 AM
That's pretty bold to suggest that a team would go from no regional wins to at least two simply by changing the venue. I can't imagine what would have made that big a difference. I suppose the likes of Yacko, Kitchens, Drag, Klovstad, and others could not possibly have had any success anywhere but at home. That seems like a reasonable suggestion.
Chapman had one extra inning walk-off game and three one-run wins.
Was Chapman less powerful on their home field in Orange in
2007? (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2007/regionals/scheduleresults.html)
Or 2006 (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2006/Regionals/Schedule.html)?
Or 2005? (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2005/Regionals/Schedule.html)
Just trying to talk this one out! ;)
There is little doubt venue can have a huge effect on the outcome of the game. It goes beyond not having to travel, or being able to sleep in your own bed at night in the comfort of your home, or having access to your own refrigerator and the type and quantity of food you are accustomed to. Anyone that argues with 'home field advantage' really has not studied, much less played the game. Subtle nuances such as being familiar with how prevailing wind patterns affect fly balls; being accustomed to a slow or fast infield; being adapted to a sandy or tight base path; and certainly for pitchers, the mound height and characteristics. Teams are built around playing conditions such as these, just look at the Colorado Rockies and their pitching staff.
For example the West regional was held at a truly amazing park, possibly the best D3 park I have seen, but I am told the mound was very difficult because of its height and slope. (I can only assume it was regulation height but I heard it jokingly referred to as the mountain instead of the mound.) Even though the host team did not win the West regional, their pitchers could have had a distinct advantage because they were accustomed to the mound if it indeed had unique characteristics.
I am amazed the NCAA does not partner with professional baseball to have these tournaments at parks that truly would be neutral. It would negate all the bickering and put everyone on a "level playing field". It could also create even more memories for the players that have earned the opportunity to play at this level of competition.
I don't think anybody on here is going to agree 100% on any of this but here are a few things to consider...
1. Chapman has played it's last 11 games on the road and has been sleeping in hotels, eating in restaurants, not using thier own clubhouse and on and on and on. They are also 11-0 in these games so I don't think it has had a negative effect on them at all. They are a VERY well coached team and they just play the game without worrying about the other stuff.
2. Linfield had to fly half way across the country and they won thier regional doing the same thing Chapman did. Some teams react to their surroundings better than others.
Like it has been discused before on this board, D-III teams just don't have the opportunity to travel as much as they would like. Chapman played at McMurry last year which I am sure helped them out a little. Once you get to a regional, EVERYONE is playing on the same field.
Quote from: AGMAN on May 19, 2008, 01:36:22 AM
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I am amazed the NCAA does not partner with professional baseball to have these tournaments at parks that truly would be neutral. It would negate all the bickering and put everyone on a "level playing field". It could also create even more memories for the players that have earned the opportunity to play at this level of competition.
The NCAA is working at the higher levels to send these regionals and super-regionals to professional parks, but the NCAA budget at this level is stressed by $40,000 plane rides for five teams at this level and six flights at the next. I count that at $440,000 in plane fares alone just for fair representation of the participants.
Ralph,
In an ealier post you mentioned Erwin Field as a possible future regional venue. That is what the school is hoping for. The University did host the Softball Regionals this year. For baseball they need to add more fixed seating and that is the plan so hopefully by next year the fixed seating will wrap form dugout to dugout. Hopefully it will also have the covered awning around it like the stadium steating middle section has.
UTT is also looking at trying to upgrade its scheduling including perhaps teaming with UTD to host a tournament in the Dallas area over spring break at the AA Frisco Roughriders field (Vilade works as an assistant hitting instructor for the Roughriders in the summer). It takes money to travel and the program up to now has put its emphasis, as it should, on its facilities. Therefore, the team has not really traveled much. Last year was the first time it went to Abiline on the spring break, the prior 4 years it stayed close to home.
Vilade is determined to make UTT a periennial national DIV III power. He has come a long way in 5 years winning 3 ASC East titles and being ranked in the top 15 in its first year of DIV III eligibility. He returns a strong pitching staff again next year and I am sure he will be a leading contender again for the Conference title and a birth in the Regionals.
Yeah, in talking with some of the UTT staff they mentioned the seating capacity at Irwin Field had to be expanded in order to host a regional event in baseball. They are doing that and should be done by sometime next season.
The NCAA could significantly cut their air travel costs if it broke the west down into 2 regional events with a super regional 3 game series to determine who goes to the World Series. In this way the Cali teams can stay at home and play vs each other and the TX teams can stay in TX. The winners of those 2 events play each other in a super regional series to determine the west representative. Wouldnt have to include any more teams than 8 for it to work out very well....and there is certainly atleast 8 deserving teams every year. The super regional host could switch off every other year between the Cali rep and the TX rep. This would certainly drive down the travel expense for the NCAA.
I wonder if anything like this has been discussed before.
Quote from: AGMAN on May 19, 2008, 01:36:22 AM
There is little doubt venue can have a huge effect on the outcome of the game. It goes beyond not having to travel, or being able to sleep in your own bed at night in the comfort of your home, or having access to your own refrigerator and the type and quantity of food you are accustomed to. Anyone that argues with ‘home field advantage’ really has not studied, much less played the game. Subtle nuances such as being familiar with how prevailing wind patterns affect fly balls; being accustomed to a slow or fast infield; being adapted to a sandy or tight base path; and certainly for pitchers, the mound height and characteristics. Teams are built around playing conditions such as these, just look at the Colorado Rockies and their pitching staff.
For example the West regional was held at a truly amazing park, possibly the best D3 park I have seen, but I am told the mound was very difficult because of its height and slope. (I can only assume it was regulation height but I heard it jokingly referred to as the mountain instead of the mound.) Even though the host team did not win the West regional, their pitchers could have had a distinct advantage because they were accustomed to the mound if it indeed had unique characteristics.
I am amazed the NCAA does not partner with professional baseball to have these tournaments at parks that truly would be neutral. It would negate all the bickering and put everyone on a “level playing field”. It could also create even more memories for the players that have earned the opportunity to play at this level of competition.
I am so sick and tired of hearing everyone bring up the fact about Chapman hosting the regionals for the last 5 years and that the reason they have won 5 regional titles in 6 years is because of "home cooking", etc, etc. The bottom line is that Chapman University is THE premier D3 Baseball school in the nation as of this moment. Sure, they "only" have one National Title to show for their last 4 appearances, but it truly is hard to win at that level. Running into the National Champs in 05' (UW-Whitewater) and losing a 8-7 heartbreaker after blowing a 5-0 lead in the 2nd, the Nat'l Champs in 06' ( Marietta 10-4 in 3rd game of tourney) and then last year to Kean (07' Nat'l Champs) 3-1 when Joe Augustine struck out 12 hitters and is now in Double A and doing very well. To tell you the truth, I would be willing to bet any amount of money that if Chapman did not face 2004 Pitcher of the Year and 7th round NY Mets draft pick Scott Hyde from George Fox in the opening game of the 2004 West Regionals that we would be sitting here talking about Chapman being in 6 straight World Series. The program is far away the most consistent in the nation year in and year out. Sure, the Cortland Sts, Emorys, Keans, ECSUs, Whitewaters, Stevens Points have had some great teams, but no one has been Top 3 every year, 35+ wins, 5 WS appearances, numerous individual stars (ERA leaders, Wins leaders, Players of the Year, Draft Picks, etc) like Chapman has.
It makes me sick when people on these message boards say and do two things to knock down and disrespect Chapman
1) question them hosting the regionals so often the last 5 years
ANSWER: The team that has the best regular season and a dynamite playing field (by the way, ask Japan and South Korea what they think of Hart Park when they used it as their practice facility for the World Baseball Classic...) deserves to host the Regional. Its the same reason why the Boston Celtics in the NBA now, why UNC in D1 baseball, why the Red Sox in the ALCS get to have their home advantage ----those teams had the best regular seasons and should be rewarded so by hosting
2) the whole notion about abusing arms and ruining player's futures. I have read INFIELDDADs comments for years now, and while he is very educated, thoughtful and offers great insight, I HATE reading between the lines about how Scannell manages his pitchers better than Chapman does. Because, really, in the long run, how many of these great D3 pitchers make anything of themselves at higher levels anyways??? Washburn, Billy Wagner, Jason Hirsh are about the only D3 guys to make an impact at the MLB level. I guarantee the good pitchers that never had a chance in Appleton because their coach "saved" and "protected" their arm during the season and regionals would gladly trade their 1-2 seasons grinding it out in cities like Rome, GA, Lancaster, CA, etc for a shot at a ring and eternal greatness and memories. Chapman gets it done time and time again and should not be questioned for anything. They win, every year, every regional and what happens in Appleton is really up to the breaks and games those 5 days. it just so happens they have 1 Title to show for their string of success when they easily could be going for their 5th next week. Maybe Chapman should move to D1 and play in the WCC with Pepperdine, LMU, USD, etc because I also guarantee within 5-7 years Chapman would be a USD and a national power. Recruiting to a gorgeous school in Orange County, CA with the resources at hand would lead to a dominant program. Now is that going to happen?? Probably not because the school wants to have a football team and things are not aligned to move up Divisions.
So where does all this leave us??? it leaves us with Chapman yet again catching a Wednesday flight to Appleton, WI and hopefully show the nation what West coast baseball is all about. here's to a great WS and Chapman dogpiling at 2:32ET on Tuesday.....
Oh! Wow! Gee! Welcome back to the boards, canpickit! :)
You have been gone a long time.
You seem to have a chip on the shoulder. Most posts here were deferential in respect to Chapman, in how they have been the premier program, and how much it means to play your "A" game versus the Panthers. I took the "protecting the arms" comment to be "local" in nature, because every arm that Coach Scannell can take away from an ASC teams is one more arm that he doesn't have to face. The comment on putting innings on the arms, especially of Yacko, was getting to where he couldn't relieve effectively in a later game, with little concern about an "arm abuse" allegation by Coach Tereshuck.
As for hosting a tournament, I think that teams like to go to where their fans can see them. The Texas schools would be glad to play in Abilene, Tyler or Georgetown anytime, over having to fly to the west Coast.
As for West Region baseball, I think that all of the teams want Chapman and Linfield to do well, as it reflects well on the West Region.
Well about logging innings on arms, Yacko wanted to go in every time he appeared. There was no one put in that didn't want to go in. Kitchens was aching to go in during the championship game. There are only a few chances in a lifetime where you get to play for the national championship. Yacko and Kitchens are gamers and will do whatever needed to get Chapman to the world series. And if you weren't there, Oates was warming up in the bullpen during the championship game. Im sure the Trinity coach wants to win and so does Chapman's coach. So when you have guys that can return on short rest, the better position the team will be in.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2008, 12:35:05 AM
Okay, how about this...
Quote from: utilitycat17 on May 19, 2008, 12:11:29 AM
That's pretty bold to suggest that a team would go from no regional wins to at least two simply by changing the venue. I can't imagine what would have made that big a difference. I suppose the likes of Yacko, Kitchens, Drag, Klovstad, and others could not possibly have had any success anywhere but at home. That seems like a reasonable suggestion.
Chapman had one extra inning walk-off game and three one-run wins.
Was Chapman less powerful on their home field in Orange in
2007? (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2007/regionals/scheduleresults.html)
Or 2006 (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2006/Regionals/Schedule.html)?
Or 2005? (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2005/Regionals/Schedule.html)
Just trying to talk this one out! ;)
Here is a quick rundown of Chapman's regional appearances since 2000.
2000 at Southwestern Texas
3-0 (Won)
2001 at Chapman
4-1 (Won)
2002 N/A
2003 at Chapman
4-1 (Won)
2004 at Chapman
1-2 (Lost)
2005 at Chapman
4-1 (Won)
2006 at Chapman
4-1 (Won)
2007 at Chapman
5-1 (Won)
2008 At McMurry
4-0 (Won)
It would seem as though playing Chapman at home would be your best shot at beating them. Chapman has not once gone undefeated at home in a regional, but they also haven't lost a road regional game since 2000. This does not follow with "conventional wisdom."
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2008, 06:56:33 PM
You seem to have a chip on the shoulder. Most posts here were deferential in respect to Chapman, in how they have been the premier program, and how much it means to play your "A" game versus the Panthers. I took the "protecting the arms" comment to be "local" in nature, because every arm that Coach Scannell can take away from an ASC teams is one more arm that he doesn't have to face. The comment on putting innings on the arms, especially of Yacko, was getting to where he couldn't relieve effectively in a later game, with little concern about an "arm abuse" allegation by Coach Tereshuck.
That may only be true when looking at the very recent past. However, there has long been implications on the boards that some coaches are looking out for their players better than others. There may in fact be some truth to that on some level. However, when it comes at the expense of the overall success of the program I don't necessarily think it is in the best interest of the team or the players. Each one of these coaches knows what is best for their players and they take that into consideration when they make their decisions. However, some coaches differ on their views of how much they can use a pitcher. There is no science to it. If a guy says he can go, and you need him, that isn't a tough decision.
Wow Are we on the same page canpikit, Post after post by the Texas faithfuls lead me to belive that they HATE to see Chapman beat them Year after Year. Quite whining and making excuses. Play some Defence (TT) (MM). If you have three of the top pitchers on the same team WIN your league (TTY). If you have two Pichers that can beat Chapman THROW them (TT). If your going to come from NAIA play some COMPETITION (TTY). Win a REGIONAL (TEXAS). There is not any other board that shows the bias that the Texas faithfuls express. Sure makes it obvious there are some sourgrapes, envey, and flat out hatred that they get no chance to go to Appleton Year after Year. Cry on some other topic you can call it I HATE CHAPMAN then iI wont have to read it.
Seems the talk of venues raises the ire of some more than others. I have been to Hart Park and while it is a nice facility and certainly appears adequate, I think most would have a difficult time identifying it as a premiere facility. I was amazed when I heard the NCAA hosted regional tournaments there. I maintain the NCAA has an obligation to provide the players a 'field of dreams' to play on, and it should be at a neutral site.
I do not know the Chapman coaching staff, I am sure they must be very good. I can say without hesitation that Scannel is very good and is player oriented. If one can read meanings into a statement that is that simple and uncomplicated and it makes them sick, then so be it. While Infield Dad may be very loyal to Trinity and the SCAC, I have found his insight to the game, its players, and its coaches to be precise. I have never known of him being unkind, but then I certainly would not want to provoke him either.
As for arms, I cannot imagine any twenty something year old telling a coach that he could not or would not take the field for his team in any competition, much less a game that leads to a title. As I posted before, Oates would have taken the mound without a moment's hesitation if Scannel would have allowed it. Oates is a great kid, is intensely loyal and most probably considered it worth the risk to throw on short notice in order to carry his team to a title. The important thing is the coach did not call on him to take the risk even though he knows Oates prepares extensively and was probably ready for the challenge. Whether Oates ever plays for pay or not (and I understand he might), he will still have to live with his arm for the rest of his life. While I am versed in risk/reward processes I do not understand anyone that claims the risk to the long term health and well being of an amateur player is worth the reward of living vicariously through them to enjoy a victory from the stands.
By the way, whatever happened to Scott Hyde?
Good Luck to Chapman, I hope they win it all!
Same thing that happens to other Pitchers that throw the ball for eight years. They finish School play as long as they can , get a job, get married, have a family. Oh I forgot .01% of all Players with arm problems kept them from Pitchings in the bigs. You will never win a Ring unless you let your throw.
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 20, 2008, 12:34:11 AM
Same thing that happens to other Pitchers that throw the ball for eight years. They finish School play as long as they can , get a job, get married, have a family. Oh I forgot .01% of all Players with arm problems kept them from Pitchings in the bigs. You will never win a Ring unless you let your throw.
How about throwing batting practice to your kid, being able to reach above your head to take something off the top shelf, going to bed without having to take NSAIDs ... I can go on, and so can others that threw too much for glory and the hope of earning a ring that are now above 40 something. Its one thing to be a great athlete and quite another to be a stupid athlete, but then it goes back to risk/reward and what is important short term and long term...just an opinion.
Quote from: AGMAN on May 20, 2008, 12:09:41 AM
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As for arms, I cannot imagine any twenty something year old telling a coach that he could not or would not take the field for his team in any competition, much less a game that leads to a title. As I posted before, Oates would have taken the mound without a moment's hesitation if Scannel would have allowed it. Oates is a great kid, is intensely loyal and most probably considered it worth the risk to throw on short notice in order to carry his team to a title. The important thing is the coach did not call on him to take the risk even though he knows Oates prepares extensively and was probably ready for the challenge. Whether Oates ever plays for pay or not (and I understand he might), he will still have to live with his arm for the rest of his life. While I am versed in risk/reward processes I do not understand anyone that claims the risk to the long term health and well being of an amateur player is worth the reward of living vicariously through them to enjoy a victory from the stands.......
The coach is the one in charge - they know from experience what the long-term effects are by having them throwing too many innings too fast.
McMurry has a beautiful stadium -and so does Linfield College in Oregon //http://www.linfield.edu/sports/venues/helser.php
Both of these are stadium style fields - and from I hear Chapman might be upgrading their field also.
So move it around to make everyone happy - just give a FEW months notice so the families can make hotel reservations. WHICH IS A NIGHTMARE on short notice (current problem in Appleton - no rooms available ANYWHERE in town).
You Linfield guys are just proud of your baseball stadium because it is adjacent to the Catdome! :D
Quote from: bbnag101 on May 20, 2008, 12:51:12 AM
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The coach is the one in charge - they know from experience what the long-term effects are by having them throwing too many innings too fast.
Absolute agreement, the coach is indeed in charge. Experienced coaches know the cause and potential effect that can result from over-throwing – Good coaches care about the cause and effect that can result from over-throwing. Experienced coaches will let their athletes play based on feelings at the heat of the moment – Good coaches will prepare their athletes to play and know they are ready when the heat of the moment arises. Good coaches use but don't abuse their athletes. Can an experienced coach be a good coach, you bet they can ... just an opinion.
Really did not mean to quote myself in an origial post; :-[ sorry about that! ;D
ag....get off the soapbox...you make it sound like these guys are little leaguers and we should now demand pitch counts...canpick hits the nail right on the head when he talks about players who would love to have another crack at a diii title because for 99.999%, this will be their last chance at any kind of title...i dont enjoy seeing my kids arm sore on occasion, but he is a young man that is aloud to make his own decisions and we have had a talk about the long term effects that overthrowing may have on his body and it is up to him as to what he does, as im sure most fathers have had with their sons whether he is a pitcher, infielder or outfielder. it is okay to allow a fielder to go out and play with a sore arm,leg, foot, or whatever though?....and even though mcmurry put on a great tourney and the people were extremely kind, i would like to see the tourneys in a location that is more economically accessible such as dallas, portland, so cal., no cal, etc, it is hard and pricey to get to some of these locations on such short notice but be it as it may the texas folks really rolled out the red carpets for us in abilene...also ag, chapman has a very nice facility, maybe not the best, but one of them...these are just a few opinions
Where the games are played is irrelevant. The teams that play the best baseball with the fewest mistakes are the teams that advance to the next round.
Some teams win regardless of where they play, just like some lose regardless of where they play.
Quote from: diviiibbjunkie on May 20, 2008, 10:33:13 AM
ag....get off the soapbox...you make it sound like these guys are little leaguers and we should now demand pitch counts...canpick hits the nail right on the head when he talks about players who would love to have another crack at a diii title because for 99.999%, this will be their last chance at any kind of title...i dont enjoy seeing my kids arm sore on occasion, but he is a young man that is aloud to make his own decisions and we have had a talk about the long term effects that overthrowing may have on his body and it is up to him as to what he does, as im sure most fathers have had with their sons whether he is a pitcher, infielder or outfielder. it is okay to allow a fielder to go out and play with a sore arm,leg, foot, or whatever though?....and even though mcmurry put on a great tourney and the people were extremely kind, i would like to see the tourneys in a location that is more economically accessible such as dallas, portland, so cal., no cal, etc, it is hard and pricey to get to some of these locations on such short notice but be it as it may the texas folks really rolled out the red carpets for us in abilene...also ag, chapman has a very nice facility, maybe not the best, but one of them...these are just a few opinions
I guess my only question about letting the kids make the decisions is how many things do 18-22 yr olds do that when they turn 40, they might regret it. I am sure that we all could think of one or two things we did as a college kid that we might do differently now. Does Chapman throw the heck out of their top guys, you bet. Is it wrong, who knows. It would have been very interesting to see who would have pitched game two for Trinity, because I bet we would have seen both Oates and Bronson. Both should have the opportunity to play for pay as well....
If Trinity played only weekend games like Chapman does, I have a feeling you would see similar numbers by the top 2-3 guys on Trinity's staff like you do on Chapman's. Bottom line, no matter where the games were played, Chapman went 4-0 and deserve the west bid to the world series. They are ranked #1 for a reason and showed it in Abilene. Best of luck in the CWS....
Quote from: diviiibbjunkie on May 20, 2008, 10:33:13 AM
...and even though mcmurry put on a great tourney and the people were extremely kind, i would like to see the tourneys in a location that is more economically accessible such as dallas, portland, so cal., no cal, etc, it is hard and pricey to get to some of these locations on such short notice but be it as it may the texas folks really rolled out the red carpets for us in abilene...also ag, chapman has a very nice facility, maybe not the best, but one of them...these are just a few opinions
UT-Dallas doesn't have lights on their field. University of Dallas has very small facilities. If Concordia-Austin builds a very nice park, then you might see the tourney sponsored in Austin some year.
Austin College has upgraded their facilities in the last year, but are no where near the accommodations that you see at McMurry or UT-Tyler.
You also have to remember the budgets that these tourneys run on. Another concern is the volunteer and ancillary staff that you will need at a neutral site. You just don't have college personnel to tap into at a moment's notice when at a neutral site.
Tiger fan- get off your high horse pal. Shouldn't everybody be throwing the heck out of their top guys? Its a 40-45 game season nobody's playing 162 game schedule bud! Anybody remember the D-1 world series Oregon State 06 and 07?? Buck, Gunderson, Nickerson.... ring any bells??? FYI- for the record the two guys that have logged the most innings for chapman aren't even the guys you are referencing. Sigman (89 innings) and Clear (91 innings) are the ones doing the majority of the work! Yacko (54.2) and Kitchens (65 innings) obviously have better numbers but do your homework when your going to post because it looks like the innings are pretty well spread out. You said that if Trinity played the same schedule as Chapman that their top guys would have similar numbers...... Well they DON'T and the numbers don't lie... Do they?? Speculate all you want but don't hate on a team and knock decisions being made and say that with a different schedule outcomes are changed. Nobody wants the half hearted, "Good Luck at the series" if all you are going to do is bash how they got there!!
Quote from: thefalcdeuces on May 20, 2008, 01:26:12 PM
Tiger fan- get off your high horse pal. Shouldn't everybody be throwing the heck out of their top guys? Its a 40-45 game season nobody's playing 162 game schedule bud! Anybody remember the D-1 world series Oregon State 06 and 07?? Buck, Gunderson, Nickerson.... ring any bells??? FYI- for the record the two guys that have logged the most innings for chapman aren't even the guys you are referencing. Sigman (89 innings) and Clear (91 innings) are the ones doing the majority of the work! Yacko (54.2) and Kitchens (65 innings) obviously have better numbers but do your homework when your going to post because it looks like the innings are pretty well spread out. You said that if Trinity played the same schedule as Chapman that their top guys would have similar numbers...... Well they DON'T and the numbers don't lie... Do they?? Speculate all you want but don't hate on a team and knock decisions being made and say that with a different schedule outcomes are changed. Nobody wants the half hearted, "Good Luck at the series" if all you are going to do is bash how they got there!!
Back off!!! Before you go slamming me, maybe you should interpret what I wrote better. I meant inning pitched, not total numbers. If Trinity did not play mid-week games, Oates and Bronson would each get 3-4 more starts. Also, If Trinity did not play 4 game conference series, that would give Bronson and Oates more starts. That is what I was referring to, not overall numbers. Plus, wasnt Kitchens hurt at the beginning of the year. Meaning, so you dont have to interpret, if he was healthy, doubtful that Luzar gets any of his starts. I never said the outcome would be different if Trinity played a different schedule. Not once. Someone is a little sensitive about Chapman's schedule......
And my "good luck at the series" wasnt fake or half-hearted. Just because you can't sincerely say good luck and mean it, doesnt mean i can't. Chapman played a great regional, hope to see them next year, and the year after, and the year after in the regional final. they will be great series between them and Trinity.....
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 20, 2008, 12:07:49 AM
Wow Are we on the same page canpikit, Post after post by the Texas faithfuls lead me to belive that they HATE to see Chapman beat them Year after Year. Quite whining and making excuses. Play some Defence (TT) (MM). If you have three of the top pitchers on the same team WIN your league (TTY). If you have two Pichers that can beat Chapman THROW them (TT). If your going to come from NAIA play some COMPETITION (TTY). Win a REGIONAL (TEXAS). There is not any other board that shows the bias that the Texas faithfuls express. Sure makes it obvious there are some sourgrapes, envey, and flat out hatred that they get no chance to go to Appleton Year after Year. Cry on some other topic you can call it I HATE CHAPMAN then iI wont have to read it.
Great post HALLE i don't understand the fact that everyone is so dead set against the Panthers and are trying to find other reasons why there teams didn't win, except maybe the post seaks for itself and they are envious to the fact that Chapman won again.
It couldn't be the fact that we have the best coaching staff in the league could it? Go figure ;D COACH EDWARDS IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST PITCHING COACH in the league, he has nothing but these kids best interest in mind. coach Edwards has the respect from all the kids and parents that play for him. He could punch his ticket to any college he wanted to DI-DIII we have had a pitching staff that has proven time after time that he is by far the best; bar none!!! ;D
Coach Tereshuk had also proven that his winning percentage speaks for itself, the team responds to his stlye and that time after time it has shown he knows how to get the best out of his kids.
Coach Koosed is new this year as the hitting coach and the teams batting average is up substantially, and once again the kids love him and respond to his style. enough said about the best coaching staff in the league.
There are so many bad things said here on these posts lately whether or not they were said directly to the fact of I HATE CHAPMAN ::) or good games :-*with tongue in cheek. But the facts remain the same and HALLE said it best if you start winning these tournaments then that is the best way to shut up the soothesayers. But so far it still hasn't been done and there is always next year.
Quote from: tiger_fan2000 on May 20, 2008, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: thefalcdeuces on May 20, 2008, 01:26:12 PM
Tiger fan- get off your high horse pal. Shouldn't everybody be throwing the heck out of their top guys? Its a 40-45 game season nobody's playing 162 game schedule bud! Anybody remember the D-1 world series Oregon State 06 and 07?? Buck, Gunderson, Nickerson.... ring any bells??? FYI- for the record the two guys that have logged the most innings for chapman aren't even the guys you are referencing. Sigman (89 innings) and Clear (91 innings) are the ones doing the majority of the work! Yacko (54.2) and Kitchens (65 innings) obviously have better numbers but do your homework when your going to post because it looks like the innings are pretty well spread out. You said that if Trinity played the same schedule as Chapman that their top guys would have similar numbers...... Well they DON'T and the numbers don't lie... Do they?? Speculate all you want but don't hate on a team and knock decisions being made and say that with a different schedule outcomes are changed. Nobody wants the half hearted, "Good Luck at the series" if all you are going to do is bash how they got there!!
Back off!!! Before you go slamming me, maybe you should interpret what I wrote better. I meant inning pitched, not total numbers. If Trinity did not play mid-week games, Oates and Bronson would each get 3-4 more starts. Also, If Trinity did not play 4 game conference series, that would give Bronson and Oates more starts. That is what I was referring to, not overall numbers. Plus, wasnt Kitchens hurt at the beginning of the year. Meaning, so you dont have to interpret, if he was healthy, doubtful that Luzar gets any of his starts. I never said the outcome would be different if Trinity played a different schedule. Not once. Someone is a little sensitive about Chapman's schedule......
And my "good luck at the series" wasnt fake or half-hearted. Just because you can't sincerely say good luck and mean it, doesnt mean i can't. Chapman played a great regional, hope to see them next year, and the year after, and the year after in the regional final. they will be great series between them and Trinity.....
A. If Luzar was healthy all year, he would of gotten his starts
B. Chapman wishes they were in a conference but unfortunately it would never happen. They have to be flawless all year because if they are not they wont get a sniff at the playoffs. Every game matters when your independent
C.I have no problem being sincere, just wish people would give credit where credit is due and leave it at that. Not make excuses or justify "what could have or would have happened".
Quote from: thefalcdeuces on May 20, 2008, 02:22:50 PM
Quote from: tiger_fan2000 on May 20, 2008, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: thefalcdeuces on May 20, 2008, 01:26:12 PM
Tiger fan- get off your high horse pal. Shouldn't everybody be throwing the heck out of their top guys? Its a 40-45 game season nobody's playing 162 game schedule bud! Anybody remember the D-1 world series Oregon State 06 and 07?? Buck, Gunderson, Nickerson.... ring any bells??? FYI- for the record the two guys that have logged the most innings for chapman aren't even the guys you are referencing. Sigman (89 innings) and Clear (91 innings) are the ones doing the majority of the work! Yacko (54.2) and Kitchens (65 innings) obviously have better numbers but do your homework when your going to post because it looks like the innings are pretty well spread out. You said that if Trinity played the same schedule as Chapman that their top guys would have similar numbers...... Well they DON'T and the numbers don't lie... Do they?? Speculate all you want but don't hate on a team and knock decisions being made and say that with a different schedule outcomes are changed. Nobody wants the half hearted, "Good Luck at the series" if all you are going to do is bash how they got there!!
Back off!!! Before you go slamming me, maybe you should interpret what I wrote better. I meant inning pitched, not total numbers. If Trinity did not play mid-week games, Oates and Bronson would each get 3-4 more starts. Also, If Trinity did not play 4 game conference series, that would give Bronson and Oates more starts. That is what I was referring to, not overall numbers. Plus, wasnt Kitchens hurt at the beginning of the year. Meaning, so you dont have to interpret, if he was healthy, doubtful that Luzar gets any of his starts. I never said the outcome would be different if Trinity played a different schedule. Not once. Someone is a little sensitive about Chapman's schedule......
And my "good luck at the series" wasnt fake or half-hearted. Just because you can't sincerely say good luck and mean it, doesnt mean i can't. Chapman played a great regional, hope to see them next year, and the year after, and the year after in the regional final. they will be great series between them and Trinity.....
A. If Luzar was healthy all year, he would of gotten his starts
B. Chapman wishes they were in a conference but unfortunately it would never happen. They have to be flawless all year because if they are not they wont get a sniff at the playoffs. Every game matters when your independent
C.I have no problem being sincere, just wish people would give credit where credit is due and leave it at that. Not make excuses or justify "what could have or would have happened".
A--I thought Kitchens wasnt healthy which was why Luzar got his starts, because Kitchens couldn't go at the time. Without speaking to Coach T, I find it hard to believe Kitchens gets pulled in the opening game, going 1.2 inning of no hit ball.
B--Independent teams have a good chance of making it. Cal State East Bay went 26-14 and got a Pool B Bid. The ratio of Independents to Pool B bids is far greater than the ratio of Pool C eligible teams to Pool C Bids.
C--No where did I ever say "what could have or would have happened" in my original post. All I said is that if Trinity played the same schedule (meaning dates) that Chapman plays, I think the Trinity staff would have used Bronson and Oates like Chapman used it horses.
People, people, please take a chill pill or salt tablet if there is any nearby.
Gosh. I leave for the weekend on a family trip, check on the wild west regional scores & post from all of you guys and come back to heated debates. Awesome.
However, lets just keep in mind that all the teams that particapted this past weekend definately deserved to be there (the west touney regional, that is .) But, only the best can advance. That's just the beauty of any sport. In this case, the SCIAC co-champs are the best because 1) these guys know how to methodically break your team down, 2) know how to adjust after 5 innings, 3) will use any of their players (when necessary) to keep their adjustments working and finally 4) know how to finish off their opponents. Like i said before, Coach T. and co. all use such formula like this year in and year out in order to take care of their business and reach to the highlest level of d3baseball. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of weeks we all heard, read and see that the SCIAC co-champs are the 08 CWS champs.
Best of luck panthers (oh and to the NWC cats as well)
listen guy! if kitchens was healthy all year and luzar was healthy all year they would have both gotten their starts! Luzar got hurt which is the only reason he didn't get his! one of the other 2 starters would have been used out of the pen! Good thing they are that deep and HOPEFULLY it will show this weekend, like it did last weekend!
so Kitchens wasnt hurt at the beginning of the year?
Quote from: thefalcdeuces on May 20, 2008, 02:49:21 PM
listen guy! if kitchens was healthy all year and luzar was healthy all year they would have both gotten their starts! Luzar got hurt which is the only reason he didn't get his! one of the other 2 starters would have been used out of the pen! Good thing they are that deep and HOPEFULLY it will show this weekend, like it did last weekend!
I thought that Sigman, Clear and Luzar did outstanding jobs last weekend.
absolutely, as did I. I watched both get the big outs when they needed to and Luzar carved Trinty for all 9 innings. It must be nice to have that type of an arm (Luzar) and only need to pitch him 5 times all year for only 30 innings.....wish the tigers had that type of problem ;D
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2008, 03:05:12 PM
I thought that Sigman, Clear and Luzar did outstanding jobs last weekend.
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No doubt about it - Chapman had pitching that kept their opponents off balance and hitters that could absolutely smash a mistake. Good luck to Chapmen - validate the western talent!
Quote from: tiger_fan2000 on May 20, 2008, 02:57:42 PM
so Kitchens wasnt hurt at the beginning of the year?
Kitchens was hurt and down for 3-or 4 games. He didn't take and chances and got healthy, he was on a pitch count for 3 games when he came back and dominated like he was supposed to. just like he will at the dance. Luzar was also injured and did the same thing, he came back and took over just like he had never left. now with that said it created a pitching staff that any coach would love to have especially this time of year.
Go Panthers and great to see you back Brown Eagle
Quote from: chakote on May 20, 2008, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: tiger_fan2000 on May 20, 2008, 02:57:42 PM
so Kitchens wasnt hurt at the beginning of the year?
Kitchens was hurt and down for 3-or 4 games. He didn't take and chances and got healthy, he was on a pitch count for 3 games when he came back and dominated like he was supposed to. just like he will at the dance. Luzar was also injured and did the same thing, he came back and took over just like he had never left. now with that said it created a pitching staff that any coach would love to have especially this time of year.
Go Panthers and great to see you back Brown Eagle
no doubt about that.....
Quote from: AGMAN on May 20, 2008, 12:09:41 AM
By the way, whatever happened to Scott Hyde?
Good Luck to Chapman, I hope they win it all!
He won a world series with his best friends and will remember it forever, then got drafted because he carried a D3 team to a title. What happened to all the talent from many other schools? They made sure not to overuse them and they sat on the bench while other teams dog piled in front of them.
I understand the idea of not ruining a guy's career, but does 10-20 innings over the course of a year really mean the difference between prolonged professional baseball success and burnout in the first year? I don't think so. I also believe (coming from someone who never played pro baseball) that playing in regionals and world series' are the most fun and intense games that a guy will play until he reaches the bigs because of the team oriented nature and the emphasis on winning. I think that there are many guys that are as talented as Hyde that came from D3 that either didn't get a shot in pro baseball because their teams were not good or were "saved" for later that would go back and pitch more innings to get their teams to a world series or a championship. We're not talking about first round talents that are risking millions of dollars to take the ball on 3 days' rest.
I think we can all agree that Tereschuk partially deserves his veiled message board reputation as the D3 Dusty Baker. He puts innings on arms, no doubt. Additionally, we can speculate all we want on whether or not the pitchers think, thought, or will think in the future if it was worth it or not, but bickering on a message board isn't going to solve anything.
There are two funny things that I see happening in this current argument, if you can call it that:
1) Based solely on what I've read in the last twenty minutes (I don't follow D3 baseball, or it's myriad message board posts, all that closely, sue me), it would appear that Kitchens and Luzar both getting hurt forced Coach Tereschuk into developing a more robust pitching staff, something he isn't known for, and this helped come tournament time. Whether that carries into the World Series, we will see. I believe there has been lingering concerns about the relative health of the Chapman pitching staff as they headed to Appleton in years past.
2) When it came down to it, Chapman didn't have to overuse (IMHO) Kitchens or Yacko in the regional. If you want to get hypothetical about whether or not "Chapman would still be playing if they had seen Bronson and Oates," then at least allow for the counter-hypothetical of Trinity having to face Kitchens, right? Luzar's a good player, but I can only assume the pitching match up in the Championship game was on somewhat even ground, and Chapman came out on top - would it really have played out differently in two win or go home games with Bronson and Oates? (Disclaimer: I know virtually nothing about these two guys. They look to have solid stats, good strikeout numbers, etc. But neither seem to be unbeatable)
Hopefully I can put this debate to rest... Having pitched for Coach T for 4 years at Chapman he does not make pitchers throw innings that they dont want to throw. This is D3 Baseball. The reason 99% of the pitchers are going to D3 schools is because A) They dont have 90+ Fastballs that D1 schools pretty much require, or B) They want to continue their baseball careers at a school where they can get into the mix right away rather than redshirting for a year, sitting on the bench for a couple years, and then possibly getting their shot as a junior or senior at a D1 school. While at Chapman we played tons of weekday games followed by weekend series. I actually commended Coach T on putting together a great schedule for this season where there was limited weekday games to conserve his pitchers arms. Also, when I was playing we didnt breeze right through any of our 4 regionals. We had one loss in every one, yet somehow we made it to Appleton in 3 of those years. We had to play two on the final day of each regional, as well as one time in Appleton. As a former pitcher, there was no one else I wanted on the mound in those final games than me, even on short rest, as I am sure that every D3 pitcher in the nation would feel. We dont have million dollar careers in the big leagues to worry about. Other than the rare Billy Wagners, Jarrod Washburns, Scot Shields, etc. D3 baseball is more about the team and winning the National Championship than any other sport in any other division there is. Anyways, When it boils down to it Coach T puts the guys who want the ball on the mound regardless of whether they threw a complete game the day before or they happen to have had a couple days rest. If any of disagree with the way Chapman uses its pitchers, shut your mouth. Every guy who gets on that mound wants to be there.
P.S. Kitchens and/or Yacko would have Dominated Trinity had they forced a game 2 in Abeline.
Go Panthers, Take it to Kean Wayde!
thanks for that. who knows what would have happened in game two, but i dont think domination would have been the word. Yacko gave up 3 hits and 2 runs in his 2.1 innings of work against the Tigers the first time. Not saying he would have been shelled, but i dont think he would have dominated.
alas, all that is moot because Chapman took care of Trinity in game 1 getting a masterful pitching performance by Luzar. Here is to a great showing in appleton......
thought...... pretty brutal how the best offensive player on the best team in the country didn't get a sniff at the d3baseball.com all american team. obviously its hard to try and get everyone deserving on there but kitchens definitely earned 1st team, i think yacko got snubbed and should have been 1st team and vass should have been thrown a bone. im obviously bias and a homer but again, just a thought.....
I'm sure that even though Chapman's Yacko might have been left out of the All American Selection,I honestly think he will be happier once he and his teammates win the D3CWS. I can only image that such news like this can only help motivate him in getting ready to reach for the Biggest award any D3baseball player can get in their lives. Sure being selected on the All American team would be great, but, i think being apart of the 08' D3 C.W.S (possibily...Possibily.. MVP of the final game) team would be far greater than the All American list. Here's to the Panthers on their quest to greatness.
And yes''' Here's to adding more fuel to the Panthers hot streak.
You couldn't be more right! Just a little fuel to the fire!
Quote from: canpickit on May 19, 2008, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: AGMAN on May 19, 2008, 01:36:22 AM
The bottom line is that Chapman University is THE premier D3 Baseball school in the nation as of this moment. To tell you the truth, I would be willing to bet any amount of money that if Chapman did not face 2004 Pitcher of the Year and 7th round NY Mets draft pick Scott Hyde from George Fox in the opening game of the 2004 West Regionals that we would be sitting here talking about Chapman being in 6 straight World Series.
2) the whole notion about abusing arms and ruining player's futures. I have read INFIELDDADs comments for years now, and while he is very educated, thoughtful and offers great insight, I HATE reading between the lines about how Scannell manages his pitchers better than Chapman does. I guarantee the good pitchers that never had a chance in Appleton because their coach "saved" and "protected" their arm during the season and regionals would gladly trade their 1-2 seasons grinding it out in cities like Rome, GA, Lancaster, CA, etc for a shot at a ring and eternal greatness and memories. Maybe Chapman should move to D1 and play in the WCC with Pepperdine, LMU, USD, etc because I also guarantee within 5-7 years Chapman would be a USD and a national power. .
I just have to comment on this post because while I understand where you are coming from, I respectfully disagree with you on a few points.
For one, Chapman is ONE of the premier programs in D3. Since we can't judge simply by regular season record (uneven competition levels, soft scheduling, etc.) In D3 we are almost forced to go by postseason results. Chapman is clearly a very talented team and one of the best programs in D3, but I think that Whitewater, E.Connecticut St, etc. might have something to say about claiming Chapman is the clear #1.
The fact that they could be a USD in D1 is debatable and nothing more. Many D3 schools would make solid D1 programs, but we can't know that for sure, so making the points seems pointless to me.
Lastly, the point about big-time arms wanting to pitch in championship games is one I disagree with. Take Scott Hyde for example, who mind you, beat Trinity in the championship that year (so maybe we are talking about a Trinity championship that year). Hyde was used 2 times in the regional and 3 times in the World Series. He got drafted in the 7th round by the Mets and never pitched a professional game at any level because of arm injuries. Now I am in no way saying this George Fox's fault, but pitching that much on such little rest couldn't have helped. Bronson and Oates have futures ahead of them and while winning championships is extremely important, you can't put your future in jeopardy (no matter how slim the chance) for a shot to win a regional. I know they would have thrown if asked to, but coaches need to put their players best interests before wins and losses.
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 20, 2008, 12:07:49 AM
Wow Are we on the same page canpikit, Post after post by the Texas faithfuls lead me to belive that they HATE to see Chapman beat them Year after Year. Quite whining and making excuses. Play some Defence (TT) (MM). If you have three of the top pitchers on the same team WIN your league (TTY). If you have two Pichers that can beat Chapman THROW them (TT). If your going to come from NAIA play some COMPETITION (TTY). Win a REGIONAL (TEXAS). There is not any other board that shows the bias that the Texas faithfuls express. Sure makes it obvious there are some sourgrapes, envey, and flat out hatred that they get no chance to go to Appleton Year after Year. Cry on some other topic you can call it I HATE CHAPMAN then iI wont have to read it.
And there is no Chapman bias? Come on, everybody here is going to root and pull for their team.
Quote from: 2X All-American on May 21, 2008, 12:48:30 PM
P.S. Kitchens and/or Yacko would have Dominated Trinity had they forced a game 2 in Abeline.
It's stuff like this that is unnecessary. How can you even begin to speculate on that?
Trinity faced Yacko and hit him, so indications are that they wouldn't have been dominated.
Quote from: LargeTuna21 on May 22, 2008, 03:10:46 PM
Quote from: 2X All-American on May 21, 2008, 12:48:30 PM
P.S. Kitchens and/or Yacko would have Dominated Trinity had they forced a game 2 in Abeline.
It's stuff like this that is unnecessary. How can you even begin to speculate on that?
Trinity faced Yacko and hit him, so indications are that they wouldn't have been dominated.
the fact of the matter is that they never got the chance to because they couldn't handle luzar! That being the case, doubtful they would've done anything off the BIG 2!
Well Put Ker, Well Put
They scored runs of Yacko. They got hits off Yacko. I don't know what you're talking about when you say they'd be dominated.
Quote from: LargeTuna21 on May 23, 2008, 09:23:17 AM
They scored runs of Yacko. They got hits off Yacko. I don't know what you're talking about when you say they'd be dominated.
Tuna, your right they scored runs off yacko, not enough though, therefor they did not win the game.
WOW. I cannot beleive the argument is about what would have taken place had it been played. Just agree to disagree and move on.
agreed---
Looks like Chapman is out to an early lead this morning....
Uttyler was never NAIA. They were D3 Ncaa probational status for their first 4 years.
Quote from: tloc14 on May 23, 2008, 04:49:24 PM
Uttyler was never NAIA. They were D3 Ncaa probational status for their first 4 years.
Actually, UT-Tyler was NAIA when it was just an upper level university.
http://www.uttyler.edu/NEWS/pressrelease/2001/april4.htm
They were a very strong tennis program then.
Quote from: canpickit on May 19, 2008, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: AGMAN on May 19, 2008, 01:36:22 AM
There is little doubt venue can have a huge effect on the outcome of the game. It goes beyond not having to travel, or being able to sleep in your own bed at night in the comfort of your home, or having access to your own refrigerator and the type and quantity of food you are accustomed to. Anyone that argues with 'home field advantage' really has not studied, much less played the game. Subtle nuances such as being familiar with how prevailing wind patterns affect fly balls; being accustomed to a slow or fast infield; being adapted to a sandy or tight base path; and certainly for pitchers, the mound height and characteristics. Teams are built around playing conditions such as these, just look at the Colorado Rockies and their pitching staff.
For example the West regional was held at a truly amazing park, possibly the best D3 park I have seen, but I am told the mound was very difficult because of its height and slope. (I can only assume it was regulation height but I heard it jokingly referred to as the mountain instead of the mound.) Even though the host team did not win the West regional, their pitchers could have had a distinct advantage because they were accustomed to the mound if it indeed had unique characteristics.
I am amazed the NCAA does not partner with professional baseball to have these tournaments at parks that truly would be neutral. It would negate all the bickering and put everyone on a "level playing field". It could also create even more memories for the players that have earned the opportunity to play at this level of competition.
I am so sick and tired of hearing everyone bring up the fact about Chapman hosting the regionals for the last 5 years and that the reason they have won 5 regional titles in 6 years is because of "home cooking", etc, etc. The bottom line is that Chapman University is THE premier D3 Baseball school in the nation as of this moment. Sure, they "only" have one National Title to show for their last 4 appearances, but it truly is hard to win at that level. Running into the National Champs in 05' (UW-Whitewater) and losing a 8-7 heartbreaker after blowing a 5-0 lead in the 2nd, the Nat'l Champs in 06' ( Marietta 10-4 in 3rd game of tourney) and then last year to Kean (07' Nat'l Champs) 3-1 when Joe Augustine struck out 12 hitters and is now in Double A and doing very well. To tell you the truth, I would be willing to bet any amount of money that if Chapman did not face 2004 Pitcher of the Year and 7th round NY Mets draft pick Scott Hyde from George Fox in the opening game of the 2004 West Regionals that we would be sitting here talking about Chapman being in 6 straight World Series. The program is far away the most consistent in the nation year in and year out. Sure, the Cortland Sts, Emorys, Keans, ECSUs, Whitewaters, Stevens Points have had some great teams, but no one has been Top 3 every year, 35+ wins, 5 WS appearances, numerous individual stars (ERA leaders, Wins leaders, Players of the Year, Draft Picks, etc) like Chapman has.
It makes me sick when people on these message boards say and do two things to knock down and disrespect Chapman
1) question them hosting the regionals so often the last 5 years
ANSWER: The team that has the best regular season and a dynamite playing field (by the way, ask Japan and South Korea what they think of Hart Park when they used it as their practice facility for the World Baseball Classic...) deserves to host the Regional. Its the same reason why the Boston Celtics in the NBA now, why UNC in D1 baseball, why the Red Sox in the ALCS get to have their home advantage ----those teams had the best regular seasons and should be rewarded so by hosting
2) the whole notion about abusing arms and ruining player's futures. I have read INFIELDDADs comments for years now, and while he is very educated, thoughtful and offers great insight, I HATE reading between the lines about how Scannell manages his pitchers better than Chapman does. Because, really, in the long run, how many of these great D3 pitchers make anything of themselves at higher levels anyways??? Washburn, Billy Wagner, Jason Hirsh are about the only D3 guys to make an impact at the MLB level. I guarantee the good pitchers that never had a chance in Appleton because their coach "saved" and "protected" their arm during the season and regionals would gladly trade their 1-2 seasons grinding it out in cities like Rome, GA, Lancaster, CA, etc for a shot at a ring and eternal greatness and memories. Chapman gets it done time and time again and should not be questioned for anything. They win, every year, every regional and what happens in Appleton is really up to the breaks and games those 5 days. it just so happens they have 1 Title to show for their string of success when they easily could be going for their 5th next week. Maybe Chapman should move to D1 and play in the WCC with Pepperdine, LMU, USD, etc because I also guarantee within 5-7 years Chapman would be a USD and a national power. Recruiting to a gorgeous school in Orange County, CA with the resources at hand would lead to a dominant program. Now is that going to happen?? Probably not because the school wants to have a football team and things are not aligned to move up Divisions.
So where does all this leave us??? it leaves us with Chapman yet again catching a Wednesday flight to Appleton, WI and hopefully show the nation what West coast baseball is all about. here's to a great WS and Chapman dogpiling at 2:32ET on Tuesday.....
Wow, take a 10 day vacation and look what you miss!!!!
My comments about how Coach Scannell handles pitchers had nothing between the lines about Chapman. The only situation I have commented on with any very strong feelings was the management of Scott Hyde in 2004 both in the Regional and the CWS. BTW, to say Hyde cost your team a trip in 2004 just isn't accurate since Chapman didn't make the Championship game.
So, with that said, I know Coach Scannell and the Trinity players would never grouse about what we might as fans, including the venue. You suit up the players and whether it is in Georgetown, Tx, Orange, CA and or Abilene, Tx. they are all quality fields and don't affect the quality of play or results.
Chapman has a huge talent base in Southern Ca from which to recruit and it does very well. Trinity, on the other hand, must recruit nationally because of the admissions requirements and it's competing against so many DI, DII and JUCO scholarship programs in TX.
Additionally, it would be unheard of at Trinity for a kid like Voss to be admitted as a transfer senior from a DI program.
So, there are differences in schools, in the coaching approaches, and in the talent pool available. With those differences, Trinity has done very well in 2002, 2004, 2006 and again in 2008.
Chapman has done even better and deserves to be recognized for it's success, and the hard work by it's coaches and players to achieve those results.
I will admit that it is over the top for me to equate winning in Wisconsin with "eternal greatness." Whether you play in Wisconsin or end up with a college career that ends up one game short of that goal, and then have the chances in professional baseball to compete against the very best, you are a player experiencing thrills of competition. It is an experience limited to very few who have terrific talent, make enormous sacrifices, and work to extremes that usually isn't appreciated by most.
But, "eternal greatness," I don't think so.
I think we can put THE BIG 2 talk to sleep with that performance in the World Series.
BIG 2? Who are you talking about?
2009 West Regional will be hosted by Linfield!
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/112408aaa.html
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2008, 10:13:44 PM
2009 West Regional will be hosted by Linfield!
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/112408aaa.html
That is going to make for some interesting travel costs for the NCAA. Nearly every team will have to fly in for that regional. I think only one or two teams (those in the Northwest) will be able to drive in for those games. The Texas and California schools will have to fly.
Quote from: BigPoppa on November 26, 2008, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2008, 10:13:44 PM
2009 West Regional will be hosted by Linfield!
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/112408aaa.html
That is going to make for some interesting travel costs for the NCAA. Nearly every team will have to fly in for that regional. I think only one or two teams (those in the Northwest) will be able to drive in for those games. The Texas and California schools will have to fly.
I think we'll be revisiting this in May. There have been five flights in each of the past two years, although all five of last year's
were used out West (to or from). Kinda already looks good for two NWC conference teams, IMO.
I like that Linfield and the NW gets the gig, but it probably makes more sense to have the regional either in Texas or SoCal. Or do we get to start talking about
six flights? Lol. Didn't think so ... I say good job to the NCAA for spreading the love to the NW, but prepare for another legitimate gripe from a Texas team or two on selection day. Not much different from past years now that I've thought about it.
When does NCAA post the dates for the Regional and World Series Playoffs?
Or have the dates already been determined?
Quote from: SCIACfan5 on November 27, 2008, 12:30:52 AM
When does NCAA post the dates for the Regional and World Series Playoffs?
Or have the dates already been determined?
The dates have been posted, I just haven't seen them.
I think they are 52 weeks after last season...(I am not trying to be facetious.)
Let's resume the West Regional postings on this board.
FAKE GRASS YUCK. LETS HOPE THE WEST IS NOT DECIDED BY WHO KNOWS HOW TO PLAY ON THAT SURFACE. ITS REAL GRASS IN APPLETON
Slow day today. Here is the "Far West" Regional standings as of 3/8/09
1. George Fox- 1.00%
2. Pomona-Pitzer- .900%
3. Redlands- .818%
Cal Lutheran- .818%
5. Claremont- .700%
6. Chapman- .643%
7. Linfield- .625%
8. Pacific Lutheran- .615%
9. Puget Sound- .600%
10. Whittier- .545%
11. Occidental- .533%
12. Willamette- .500%
13. CSU East Bay- .417%
14. Menlo- .364%
15. La Verne- .273%
16. Whitman- .250%
17. Pacific- .231%
18. Whitworth- .200
19. Lewis & Clark- .091
20. Cal Tech- 0
Obviously these will change a lot every week. I will try and keep up with it as much as possible. I really don't know if these mean all that much, but I thought I would take a look at it.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 09, 2009, 02:07:55 PM
Slow day today. Here is the "Far West" Regional standings as of 3/8/09
1. George Fox- 1.00%
2. Pomona-Pitzer- .900%
3. Redlands- .818%
Cal Lutheran- .818%
5. Claremont- .700%
6. Chapman- .643%
7. Linfield- .625%
8. Pacific Lutheran- .615%
9. Puget Sound- .600%
10. Whittier- .545%
11. Occidental- .533%
12. Willamette- .500%
13. CSU East Bay- .417%
14. Menlo- .364%
15. La Verne- .273%
16. Whitman- .250%
17. Pacific- .231%
18. Whitworth- .200
19. Lewis & Clark- .091
20. Cal Tech- 0
Obviously these will change a lot every week. I will try and keep up with it as much as possible. I really don't know if these mean all that much, but I thought I would take a look at it.
Nice work. It will be fun to watch them knock each other off as the season progresses. Might be intersting to see how the Texas schools matchup if anyone has the time. Does this only count games versus teams on this list or does it count games vs Texas/ Arkansas schools?
The above list counts all D-III West Region games. There could be a few mistakes. I was going to do the TX schools, but the multi-region games screwed me up.
Chapman vs Hendrix(AR). Both in the West Region counted yesterday I believe
Will the West be a 6 or 8 team regional this year.
I added the win for Chapman last night (I think). All regionals are 6 teams.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 09, 2009, 02:58:38 PM
I added the win for Chapman last night (I think). All regionals are 6 teams.
Jack, I think that the West will be a 6-team bracket.
2009 Baseball Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/baseball/2009/3_baseball_handbook.pdf) February 17th revision.
54 teams this year. :)
I stand corrected. I did not realize there were 8 team regionals. The West will be a 6 team for sure, simply because of it's location and the amount of teams in the West. Thanks for correcting me Ralph.
UTT has the best record of the teams in Texas so far. They are 14-4 overall and 11-3 against west region teams.
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on March 06, 2009, 10:44:19 PM
FAKE GRASS YUCK. LETS HOPE THE WEST IS NOT DECIDED BY WHO KNOWS HOW TO PLAY ON THAT SURFACE. ITS REAL GRASS IN APPLETON
Yes, thanks to that yucky fake infield grass Linfield was able to get 4 games in that were supposed to be played at Whitworth over the past two days. :) The facility and college will be a great host and I'm looking forward to attending and I hope you can make it up so you can finally breath some clean air.
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on March 06, 2009, 10:44:19 PM
FAKE GRASS YUCK. LETS HOPE THE WEST IS NOT DECIDED BY WHO KNOWS HOW TO PLAY ON THAT SURFACE. ITS REAL GRASS IN APPLETON
If you don't know how to play on a surface where you don't have to worry about bad hops then you probably don't deserve to be in the regional.
Linfield has a great facility and will be a great host.
Here is the "Far West" Regional standings as of 3/10/09
1. George Fox- 1.00%
2. Pomona-Pitzer- .900%
3. Cal Lutheran- .833%
4. Redlands- .818%
5. Claremont- .700%
Linfield - .700%
7. Chapman .643%
8. Pacific Lutheran- .615%
9. Puget Sound- .600%
10. Whittier- .545%
11. Occidental- .533%
12. Willamette- .500%
13. CSU East Bay- .417%
14. Menlo- .364%
15. La Verne- .273%
16. Whitman- .250%
17. Pacific- .231%
18. Whitworth- .143%
19. Lewis & Clark- .091%
20. Cal Tech- 0%
Obviously these will change a lot every week. I will try and keep up with it as much as possible. I really don't know if these mean all that much, but I thought I would take a look at it.
George Fox's overall record is 11-3 with one of those losses being to Concordia Oregon a confernce foe back in late February. The other two losses were to a team from Hawaii that may not be an NCAA DIV III school.
I errored Concordia Oregon is not a conference team or an NCAA III west regional team. It may be an NAIA school. Accept my apology.
Quote from: TexasBB on March 12, 2009, 12:55:31 PM
George Fox's overall record is 11-3 with one of those losses being to Concordia Oregon a confernce foe back in late February. The other two losses were to a team from Hawaii that may not be an NCAA DIV III school.
GFU has losses to UH-Hilo, D-II and Concordia Oregon, an NAIA school.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 01:17:09 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 12, 2009, 12:55:31 PM
George Fox's overall record is 11-3 with one of those losses being to Concordia Oregon a confernce foe back in late February. The other two losses were to a team from Hawaii that may not be an NCAA DIV III school.
GFU has losses to UH-Hilo, D-II and Concordia Oregon, an NAIA school.
I got my ever college coaching win against Concordia, Oregon. I will never forget it. They are a pretty solid program that usually make a nice run in the NAIA post-season.
Concordia has not looked that impressive this year. Being in the same conference as LC State, they are usually over matched. It was a little surprising that Fox lost to them this year.
Updated "Far West" regional rankings. As of 3/15/09
TEAM WINNING %
1. George Fox 1.000
2. Pomona-Pitzer .917
3. Cal Lutheran .867
4. Linfield .786
Redlands .786
6. Claremont .667
7. Chapman .643
8. Pacific Lutheran .615
9. Whittier .500
Occidental .500
11. Willamette .455
12. Puget Sound .444
13. La Verne .400
14. Menlo .385
15. Pacific .333
East Bay .333
17. Whitman .125
18. Whitworth .111
19. Lewis & Clark .091
20. Cal Tech 0
There could be some mistakes but I think these are pretty much right on. Thoughts?
I finally added the ASC and SCAC schools to the mix. Pretty interesting as it looks like all of the Texas schools are beating up on each other.
TEAM WINNING %
1. George Fox 1.000
2. Pomona-Pitzer .917
3. Cal Lutheran .867
4. UT Tyler .833
5. Linfield .786
Redlands .786
7. Claremont .667
8. UT Dallas .647
9. Chapman .643
10. UMHB .625
That is the top 10 as of 3/16/09
I realize there is still a lot of baseball to be played but the SCAC West needs to have a team win their conference tourney to get in.
Here are the West regions top 8 by winning %. There should be some more movement int he next few weeks now that all of the tournaments are over. Like it was said somewhere else, UT Tyler looks to be the only ASC/SCAC team with a shot at a pool C at this point in time.
1. George Fox .923%
2. Pomona-Pitzer .917%
3. Cal Lutheran .867%
4. Linfield .833%
5. UT Tyler .818%
6. Redlands .750%
7. Pacific Lutheran .706%
8. Chapman .667%
George Fox squares off with Pacific Lutheran in the NWC this weekend. Neither team can afford to lose more than 2 games.
Pomona-Pitzer and Redlands play in the SCIAC this Friday-Saturday. I don't see Redlands having the pitching to win. After looking over stats, it seems to me that Redlands struggles when anyone besides Nicholson is on the mound. This weekend is HUGE for Redlands. They can't afford a bad weekend with Cal Lu and Chapman still on their schedule.
Updated West Region standings as of 3/30/09. A little bit of movement this weekend...
1. Pomona-Pitzer .933%
2. Cal Lutheran .889%
3. Linfield .857%
4. George Fox .824%
5. UT Tyler .808%
6. Chapman .722%
7. Pacific Lutheran .696%
8. Redlands .632%
Chapman continues to climb but there was mention the other day that Kitchens left his start early due to injury. No idea what happened but that could be a bad break for Chapman.
Linfield and Pomona are on fire! Both teams still have big games left. Pomona has Cal Lutheran and Linfield still has George Fox.
Cal Lutheran keeps putting up wins but still has two very big weekends left with Redlands and Pomona. If they slip up this weekend with Redlands it could mean trouble.
UT Tyler is ranked very high but I still think they have things to prove. They are racking up wins, but a loss here and there could hurt them.
PLU must keep winning every game.
Redlands has a make or break weekend ahead with Cal Lutheran. Losing this series spells doom for Redlands.
The West has some very good teams this year. I think the regional breaks down with 2 from the SCIAC, 2 from the NWC, Chapman and UT Tyler.
George Fox and PLU split a 4 game series leaving Linfield and GF sharing first place with 2 conference losses. PLU now has 4 conference losses but has an easier road left as Linfield and GF square of in a 4 game series the last weekend of the regular season.
The 3 time defending NAIA champion Lewis and Clark State battles from behind to nip the Wildats 8-6. Linfield played numerous Fr. and Sophs.
It'll be nice to see what teams head north and the posters that'll be coming as well. I'd sure like something from your school that I can display in my D3 room.
Linfield staffed the game throwing 7 or 8 different pitchers allowing them to get some work. It looks like LC State threw 3 different guys.
It seems like it always comes down to the Fox and Linfield Series for the conference title.
Linfield is looking forward to hosting a great Regional Tournament. I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised with how we do baseball in the northwest, and the great facilities Linfield will offer.
Catfan
With PLU having the top teams out of their way and Linfield and GF to yet square off I think there is a real possibility that PLU could back in to at least a co-championship. Whats your take?
You gonna be at the tailgater the 18th vs. the Bearcats?
#11
Where will we meet up at? Will GHC make it down?
I think that PLU is definately in the best position out of all the teams in the conference having already played Linfield and Fox.
At the same time PLU does not have a game against any tough competition the rest of the way which could hurt them going in to the playoffs. You want to be peaking at the end of the season. Linfield and Fox will be raising their games at the end when they play each other at that high level.
OVERALL RECORD
Texas-Tyler(31-6)
Pomona-Pitzer(26-3)
Texas-Lutheran(26-11)
Cal Lutheran(24-7)
Hardin-Simmons(23-13)
George Fox(22-7)
McMurry(22-13)
Missippi College(22-13)
Linfield(21-6)
Chapman(20-9)
Texas-Dallas(20-15)
It would be nice to see what the IN REGION WINS are without having to manually calculating this.
Quote from: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on April 11, 2009, 01:16:25 PM
OVERALL RECORD
Texas-Tyler(31-6) (28-5 in-region)
Pomona-Pitzer(26-3)
Texas-Lutheran(26-11) (24-10)
Cal Lutheran(24-7)
Hardin-Simmons(23-13) (22-8)
George Fox(22-7)
McMurry (22-13) (19-12)
Mississippi College(22-13) (18-10)
Linfield(21-6)
Chapman(20-9) (14-8)
Texas-Dallas(20-15) (19-11)
It would be nice to see what the IN REGION WINS are without having to manually calculating this.
I will post the current West Region standing after the games are done today.
Here are the West Region standings as of 4/11/09
1. Pomona-Pitzer .952%
2. UT Tyler .848%
3. George Fox .840%
4. Cal Lutheran .833%
5. Linfield .793%
6. Hardin Simmons .710%
7. Texas Lutheran .706%
8. Pacific Lutheran .704%
9. Miss. College .667%
10. Redlands .654%
11. McMurry .640%
12. Chapman .636%
There was a lot of movement this weekend, as well as some new faces. A lot of baseball still to be played. Pomona Pitzer still has Chapman and Cal Lutheran.
Conference tournaments in TX.
George Fox and Linfield still have a 4 game set.
There is likely to be a lot more movement before the season is over.
BigPoppa's Top 25: Week 8
01 Wheaton (Mass.) 23-3 A favorite to move on to Appleton right now
02 Millsaps 30-4 They just keep on winning games. Looking strong for a #1 seed in a regional
03 Pomona-Pitzer 28-3 The class of the West Region
04 Texas-Tyler 31-6 Really laying it on the ASC. Should have a Pool C bid locked up if they stumble in the ASC post-season
05 Salisbury 29-4 Should be the third team to reach 30 wins
06 St. Scholastica 21-2 Record is inflated by a weak UMAC, but this team is for real
07 Trinity (Conn.) 18-3 A bit of a stumble last week, but back on track this week
08 Heidelberg 23-5 The best team that no one knows about
09 Southern Maine 18-3 A solid team is a solid region. Look for a dent in the national picture
10 Eastern Connecticut 19-5 A tough week but they have the experience to bounce back from this
11 Kean 22-7 Still hanging around the top ten range. NJAC teams usually do as they beat up on one another
12 George Fox 24-7 In a heated NWC battle right now with Linfield and Pacific Lutheran
13 Carthage 17-5 Is it possible for Carthage to fly under the radar? Well, they are. Great team, great pitching.
14 Linfield 25-7 Positioning themselves to be a possible high seed in their own regional
15 Wooster 24-6 Even after a hiccup this week, they are still a dangerous team.
16 St. Thomas 18-5 Starting to pull away from part of the pack in the Midwest Region
17 UW-Oshkosh 13-7 One of the nation's toughest schedules to this point. WAY underrated right now.
18 St. Olaf 14-6 Their emergence will create quite a logjam in the Midwest Regional rankings and lead to some great teams left out in late may
19 Cal Lutheran 24-7 Still battling Pomona-Pitzer in the SCIAC
20 Buena Vista 21-4 Pounding the IIAC as well as everyone else
21 Shenandoah 28-6 They just continue to surprise me every week. Could be a dark horse in a regional
22 Marietta 17-7 Not as good as year's past, but still a scary team in the post-season
23 Curry 21-3 Where did they come from?
24 Thomas More 20-4 Another team that could make a splash in the post-season
25 Ithaca 18-5 The Bombers are starting to put it all together.
*I know, I know... Where is Chapman? I cannot bring myself to keep them in my poll any longer. Too many losses to teams they need to beat.
West Region standings as of 4/19/09
1. Pomona-Pitzer (23-1) .958%
2. Cal Lutheran (23-4) .852%
3. George Fox (26-5) .839%
4. UT Tyler (29-6) .829%
5. Pacific Lutheran (25-8) .758%
Linfield (25-8) .758%
7. Miss. Col. (16-7) .696%
8. Hardin Simm. (23-11) .676%
Chapman is 14-11 (.560%) as a Pool B team.
Big series coming up in the SCIAC and NWC. Pomona Pitzer and Cal Lutheran have a 3 game series next weekend and George Fox and Linfield have a 4 game set in the NWC.
It seems that the only hope for Linfield is to sweep George Fox. 3 of 4 will do them no good. Unless PLU really slips up, I think they are in the Regional.
Cal Lutheran can't afford many more losses.
UT Tyler needs to win the ASC Tourney to keep Cal Lutheran's hopes alive for a pool C.
Hey I might just not be looking hard enough, but what is the date of the Linfield regional?
Quote from: Ullcme41 on April 23, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
Hey I might just not be looking hard enough, but what is the date of the Linfield regional?
May 13-17, 2009
Ralph; on the regional rankings it shows Chapman with an outside chance at the pool b bid I know that it is a way outside chance but they still have a chance right?
That is my opinion on Chapman.
I think that they need to sweep the season from here.
I count the in-region at 14-11 with 6 games left. That would be 20-11. (Doesn't getting swept by PP hurt badly!)
We can see where that leaves you and how favorably that Chapman is considered against regionally ranked teams.
I'll make you a deal! You arrange for McMurry to win the ASC tourney. That will give you three wins versus a regionally ranked opponent! ;D
In Pool B, you have a head-to-head win versus Ithaca. I know that is secondary critieria but head-to-head's gotta count for something.
Also, we all need to keep in mind that after Millsaps went 2 and Q in the SCAC tournament, Trinity is in prime position to win the SCAC tournament.
They managed to save Noah Solomon (5-0, 2.12 ERA) for Hendrix in the semi-final game today. If they win, they'll have to get beat twice. Staff ace Evan Bronson (who has amassed a ton of IP this year) only threw 4 IP in their opening round victory. Arguably, their best bullpen guy Mike Panozzo only threw 3 IP.
After a really rough start, it looks like they could be punching a ticket to the West coach for the 2nd straight year (runner-up to Chapman last year.)
JSG
Hendrix wins the SCAC in a huge surprise. Millsaps goes 0-2. Hendrix is listed as a West Region team so they get the automatic SCAC Pool A. Millsaps lost to Centre and Hendrix. Trinity lost twice to Hendrix a team that has but a .500 record. This cannot help Millsaps with a Pool C bid. Going into the weekend they were the #1 team in the South Region. Will be real interesting to see how things play out this weekend with the ASC tournament. Many of the ASC teams beat the SCAC finalists Trinity and Hendrix.
Hendrix could end up getting shipped to another region though. I can see them falling into the Central regional to make up for a weak groups of POOL C teams in the region.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 27, 2009, 09:07:15 AM
Hendrix could end up getting shipped to another region though. I can see them falling into the Central regional to make up for a weak groups of POOL C teams in the region.
I think that Linfield is a 6-team playoff.
NWC Pool A (bussed to Linfield)
PP (plane flight everywhere)
Chapman (plane flight everywhere)
ASC Pool A
Hendrix (plane flight everywhere)
Pool C
Everyone else in the rest of the country can be bussed to a site.
Ralph,
I see you have listed Chapman in the West Regional. So you think they get a Pool B bid despite their very mediocre record? The Pool B group must be real weak, which means more deserving Pool C only candidates will be left home.
Quote from: TexasBB on April 28, 2009, 10:15:16 AM
Ralph,
I see you have listed Chapman in the West Regional. So you think they get a Pool B bid despite their very mediocre record? The Pool B group must be real weak, which means more deserving Pool C only candidates will be left home.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Pool B seems to be pretty weak, which will help a team like Chapman extend it's season. Chapman's In-region record is 17-11 which is nowhere near what some of the other teams have, but they have the luxury of being a Pool B team.
I am very sympathetic to the teams in Pool B. They get access to the tourney at a ratio that comparable to the Pool A conferences. This season, the access ratio for Pool B schools is 1 bid for every 8.65 schools. Therefore, if your conference is only a 7-team or 8-team conference, then it is easier to get your Pool A bid than the Pool B's to earn it.
I will not knock Chapman. They will go anywhere to play someone. They swept McMurry this year in three games in Abilene. No one else swept a three-game series on McMurry this season.
The 13 "do-overs" that we call Pool C did not get it done on the field the first time around.
We should be grateful to the current March Madness TV contract that allowed D-III to increase the Pool C bids from 5 to 13 this year in 2006.
I also like to remind my ASC friends that the way that we could double our chances at getting a Pool A bid is for the ASC to split into 2 conferences, but that is another topic.
This is a first inning post -- Ralph good posts all year !!
The Chapman era needs to take a break. PP swept them, Redlands split with them, they split with Cal. St. East bay, split with Cal. St. San Marcos & Kean, beat Oxy once and lost 2 of 3 to Cal Lu and La Verne-early season games. I know that Chapman swept McMurry, but a lot of other teams beat them also. [Similar to everyone that plays Menlo and sweeps them-- (Redlands and Chapman)]
If there is the chance to take Hendrix out of the west "just to balance other regions", could we bring in another team to the West ??
The discussions about the second team from SCIAC should be Cal Lu. They have been consistent all year, beating the teams they should beat (splitting some times) and were ranked all season. Redlands lost 2 of 3 to Cal Lu, split with Whittier, split with CSEastBay, swept La Verne/Oxy/CalTech.
What you call Pool C "do-overs" are a method for the strong conferences to get the proper teams a place to play in May. If you look at the list of teams that have automatic berths so far --- 5 are NR-RV, 3 are not even on the list and only the SCIAC and NWC have ranked teams (GF &PacLu)--so far. There are some strong teams that will have to wait for next year, but the teams that can play, should be supported in the selection process. We have this final games and conference tournaments this week and weekend -- one of those "patience things" we have to deal with in this hypothetical season of D3BB.
Back to the Bullpen for now--- Looking forward to Linfield Regional.
LA Mike
Quote from: LA Mike on April 28, 2009, 01:39:31 PM
This is a first inning post -- Ralph good posts all year !!
The Chapman era needs to take a break. PP swept them, Redlands split with them, they split with Cal. St. East bay, split with Cal. St. San Marcos & Kean, beat Oxy once and lost 2 of 3 to Cal Lu and La Verne-early season games. I know that Chapman swept McMurry, but a lot of other teams beat them also. [Similar to everyone that plays Menlo and sweeps them-- (Redlands and Chapman)]
If there is the chance to take Hendrix out of the west "just to balance other regions", could we bring in another team to the West ??
The discussions about the second team from SCIAC should be Cal Lu. They have been consistent all year, beating the teams they should beat (splitting some times) and were ranked all season. Redlands lost 2 of 3 to Cal Lu, split with Whittier, split with CSEastBay, swept La Verne/Oxy/CalTech.
What you call Pool C "do-overs" are a method for the strong conferences to get the proper teams a place to play in May. If you look at the list of teams that have automatic berths so far --- 5 are NR-RV, 3 are not even on the list and only the SCIAC and NWC have ranked teams (GF &PacLu)--so far. There are some strong teams that will have to wait for next year, but the teams that can play, should be supported in the selection process. We have this final games and conference tournaments this week and weekend -- one of those "patience things" we have to deal with in this hypothetical season of D3BB.
Back to the Bullpen for now--- Looking forward to Linfield Regional.
LA Mike
The "Proper" team won the Pool A bids... every Pool C team had a chance to earn that same bid. It was decided on the field, where it should be. By not winning a Pool A bid, teams leave it to others to decide their fates, which is ALWAYS a dangerous scenario. Either way, Pool C hopefuls that are left our have no one to blame but themselves.
Thanks LA Mike!
I have been following D3 really closely now for about 5-6 years. Most fans do not realize how close the levels of play really are! There must be 80 teams in D3 that are above the "mean".
In men's basketball this season, 2 Pool C teams made the Final Four.
That is why I have just resolved to back up in my mind to the fact that the playoffs begin in the conference tourneys.
Which team knows your weaknesses best? Some team in your conference.
Which team really wants to pay you back for that game that they lost a season ago? Some team in your conference!
How easy is it for a team to win the regular season and get a worrisome "pseudo-confidence" in their #1 seed, only to lose in the Conference Tourney? to go 2 and barbecue?
At 13 Pool C bids because of the "1 playoff bid for every 6.5 teams", we are now at the point that the really really good Pool C teams will get in, anyway. I do not believe that that was the case at the previous bid allocation ratio of "1 playoff bid for every 7.5 teams".
Those last few bids are really close. Conversely, if you are sitting at home, there are 1-2 games that you lost that you should not have lost that are the ones that are keeping you home.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2009, 01:53:05 PM
Quote from: LA Mike on April 28, 2009, 01:39:31 PM
This is a first inning post -- Ralph good posts all year !!
The Chapman era needs to take a break. PP swept them, Redlands split with them, they split with Cal. St. East bay, split with Cal. St. San Marcos & Kean, beat Oxy once and lost 2 of 3 to Cal Lu and La Verne-early season games. I know that Chapman swept McMurry, but a lot of other teams beat them also. [Similar to everyone that plays Menlo and sweeps them-- (Redlands and Chapman)]
If there is the chance to take Hendrix out of the west "just to balance other regions", could we bring in another team to the West ??
The discussions about the second team from SCIAC should be Cal Lu. They have been consistent all year, beating the teams they should beat (splitting some times) and were ranked all season. Redlands lost 2 of 3 to Cal Lu, split with Whittier, split with CSEastBay, swept La Verne/Oxy/CalTech.
What you call Pool C "do-overs" are a method for the strong conferences to get the proper teams a place to play in May. If you look at the list of teams that have automatic berths so far --- 5 are NR-RV, 3 are not even on the list and only the SCIAC and NWC have ranked teams (GF &PacLu)--so far. There are some strong teams that will have to wait for next year, but the teams that can play, should be supported in the selection process. We have this final games and conference tournaments this week and weekend -- one of those "patience things" we have to deal with in this hypothetical season of D3BB.
Back to the Bullpen for now--- Looking forward to Linfield Regional.
LA Mike
The "Proper" team won the Pool A bids... every Pool C team had a chance to earn that same bid. It was decided on the field, where it should be. By not winning a Pool A bid, teams leave it to others to decide their fates, which is ALWAYS a dangerous scenario. Either way, Pool C hopefuls that are left our have no one to blame but themselves.
Big poppa and ralph,
I sort of see where you are coming from, and you guys keep using the same flawed argument. Yes, of course these teams "had their chance" to get a pool A bid and get in the tournament, and they screwed up. You can say the same thing about the mediocre pool B teams that get in who "had their chance" THE ENTIRE SEASON and lost 40% of their games. on any given day, a good pool C team such as millsaps or UTT can run into some bad luck- a bad bounce, or just hitting everything right at people, etc. why do you think its more fair to judge a team that has been consistently good the entire year and lost in a 2 game conference tournament vs. a team that had a chance to get it done ALL year and failed. Look at chapman. they failed against la verne. against whittier 2/3. against PP 3/3. against cal lu 1/2. I can go on. why are their consistent screw ups less valuable that 1 small screw up in a flukey conference tourney. Doesn't make sense. If chapman or another independent has a resume that is CLOSE to a pool C, they should get in. if its not in the same ballpark, they shouldnt.
I remember way back from my statistics classes that your sampling error, that is, the chance that a particular team does not play indicative of how they actually play, will rise as sample size increases. Sample size of a conference tournament = 2-4 games. Sample size of a season = 40 games. you tell me which is more subject to error.
The Pool System that the NCAA has used in the last decade was due to the inequities that the members saw in the other system that followed the "only the best get it in" premise. Pool B comprised of the all of the schools that don't meet the minimum definition of a full Pool A conference (7 teams). Chapman and the other teams in Pool B are treated a one big conference with the mathematically proportional number of bids (1:8.65 for the 52 Pool B schools or 6 bids.) I cannot think of a single Pool B school in the last 4 years that has been worse than worst Pool A bid. What has happened is that all of the poor Pool B teams have gone into conferneces to gain access for themselves. (Yeah, there are some lousy Pool A bids given, but those players won their conference. That is purpose of the student-athlete experience in D-III. :) )
I recall earlier in this decade the joy on the SCIAC football boards when PP returned to the SCIAC in football, and the SCIAC moved from an isolated collection of schools to a conference that is on the football map, every playoff season, by virtue of its Pool A bid.
The effect that the Pool system has had is to move schools into conferences. With access into the playoffs as one of the goals of conference participation, then schools have added sports when there was sufficient interest in a sport. As Division III looks at its management of the student-athlete experience, I don't think that they will abandon the conference-based format anytime soon.
The SCIAC has said that it likes the quality of the way that it determines its Pool A bid. They are one of the 4 conferences that does not have a post-season tourney where the other schools might get a chance to knock the regular season champion out of its anticipated Pool A bid.
What the conference format will do allow the NCAA some control over growth and its membership.
As for Pool B, I refer you to the Pool B boards for discussions about Pool B. :)
Regardless of the valiudity of the argument, the rules are the rules and everyone knows them heading into the season.
As Ralph has repeatedly pointed out big confernces like the ASC get shortchanged under the current system. With the ASC east - west there are a total of 15 teams with only 1 Pool A guarantee. With a confernce of this size and an average of 1 team per 6.5 schools getting a bid the ASC should always have at least 2 teams getting bids. But last year there was only 1 and it could happen again this year. That is a problem for the ASC members. The powers that be may not want to go with two confernces since alot of the members do not participate in all sports. For example in Football there are only 8 or 9 total teams that play that sport. I think that an exception for large confernces making them eligible for 2 Pool A bids might be the way to go.
Crystal Ball Time
1) Pomona
2) George Fox
3) Pacific Lutheran
4) Hendrix
5) ASC Tourney Champ
6) ???????????
Not sure what the rankings will look like, but this is what Isee the West Regioanl looking like right now:
1. Pomona-Pitzer
2. UTT
3. Pacific Lutheran
4. George Fox
5. Chapman
6/7. Texas Lutheran/Hendrix (one gets shipped to the Central or Midwest)
Texas Lutheran and Hendrix are both conferences in the western region. I would suggest that they move Chapman out to another region. Cal Lutheran should be in line with the second place finisher in the NWC -- compare those two and select one.
If we take the conference winners out of the region it starts to leave the seeding all up to some mystic flexible system. Hendrix won their conference (western region), the winner of the ASC (western region) and the second team from the ASC should be there also (I agree they should be two conferences -- maybe take the SCAC and the ASC and make 3 more balanced conferences -- 19 schools = 6+6+7 conferences and maybe the most eastern gets slid into the southern region.............).
Fellow web predictors--- this is good stuff !!!
Inning over, see you again. LA Mike
LA Mike- your take on this makes a lot of sense. Cal Lu should be considered if two from the NWC are, and 3 more balanced conferences in the SW makes it much more fair. Chapman's lucky to be an Indy, otherwise they'd be going nowhere.
New Regional Rankings 4/30/09
1. Pom-Pit SCIAC
2. Tex- Tyler ASC
3. Pac Lut NWC
4. Tex- Dal ASC
5. Geo Fox NWC
6. Chapman Ind
What happened to Hendrix--SCAC automatic bid ?? They are part of the Western Region as a conference. The pool B bid should be sent to balance another regional-- they have to fly to where ever they go anyway.... Maybe I am confusing the "Regional Ranking process" with the "Regional Tourn. Seeding process".
Ralph and Big Poppa -- any comments ???
At the minimum, keep the conference members within the regional playoff.
We only have 40 teams including the Ind. Teams and therefore only a 6 team regional.................
I know -- 2 weeks until the first pitch ---- Final Reg. Rank. # 3 on May 7th.........
LA Mike
Hendrix is not ranked in the Regional Ranking, but they are guaranteed a Pool A bid form the SCAC. If they are shipped west, it could bump a west Pool C out out or to another region.
BP--
Kind of like batting practice. I throw you a question and you hit me with an answer............
Is there a priority of Pool A, B or C that gets shipped out of a region or is it just an arbitrary "adjustment"?
The 6 Pool B teams are listed from all over the country. Most of them have to be transported (Bus or Fly). Should these Pool "Bees" be spread around to the various regions first, before moving the conference members (Pool C teams) out and away to another region?
I am in the dugout waiting, thanks........LA Mike
Quote from: LA Mike on April 30, 2009, 04:14:44 PM
BP--
Kind of like batting practice. I throw you a question and you hit me with an answer............
Is there a priority of Pool A, B or C that gets shipped out of a region or is it just an arbitrary "adjustment"?
The 6 Pool B teams are listed from all over the country. Most of them have to be transported (Bus or Fly). Should these Pool "Bees" be spread around to the various regions first, before moving the conference members (Pool C teams) out and away to another region?
I am in the dugout waiting, thanks........LA Mike
Travel expense...
The committee looks at who must be flown from the entire field and then uses them to fill out the brackets of those who can be bussed.
Hendrix can be flown any where. So can Millsaps.
Well as far as traveling, everyone has to fly to Linfield. Hendrix, Texas and So. Cal. teams, it does not matter.
It seems odd to me that teams from Arkansas and East Texas are in the west, but I guess the West Region teams are in Tex. and along the West coast.
The brackets will be ready to be finalized by the real committee and set for the final predictions by the fans after the weekend.
Good luck with your favorites,
Quote from: LA Mike on April 30, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
Well as far as traveling, everyone has to fly to Linfield. Hendrix, Texas and So. Cal. teams, it does not matter.
It seems odd to me that teams from Arkansas and East Texas are in the west, but I guess the West Region teams are in Tex. and along the West coast.
The brackets will be ready to be finalized by the real committee and set for the final predictions by the fans after the weekend.
Good luck with your favorites,
I remember once seeing a poster, a cartoon depiction, about the world west of the Charles River. There was no doubt that Arkansas was West! :D
Ralph
Cannot give you a (+) because I am a new guy, but you did make me chuckle and I needed it tonight.
Good luck with your favorites Friday and Saturday.
Would splitting up the west region into two different regionals dillute the regional talent pool? What other problems would it create.
I think there are enough worthy teams in california, oregon, and washington to have one regional and then have another for teams in texas, arkansas, and whatever other states are in the region.
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 01, 2009, 12:58:32 PM
Would splitting up the west region into two different regionals dillute the regional talent pool? What other problems would it create.
I think there are enough worthy teams in california, oregon, and washington to have one regional and then have another for teams in texas, arkansas, and whatever other states are in the region.
There is one NCAA D-III bid for every 6.5 participants. There is no other way to cut it! The NCAA only ranks the top 15% of teams in a region. The poor tiny South Region only ranks 5 teams.
In fact, the geographic isolation for the West Region may actually work out best for us as we are configured.
NWC -- 9 teams
SCIAC - 8 teams
Indep - 2 teams (Chapman and Menlo) Cal State East Bay is going to D-II. (We add LaSierra in 2012).
"Texas" -
ASC -- 15 teams
SCAC-West -- 4 teams
Indep -- 1 team (UDallas)
We don't have the teams to split.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2009, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: LA Mike on April 30, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
Well as far as traveling, everyone has to fly to Linfield. Hendrix, Texas and So. Cal. teams, it does not matter.
It seems odd to me that teams from Arkansas and East Texas are in the west, but I guess the West Region teams are in Tex. and along the West coast.
The brackets will be ready to be finalized by the real committee and set for the final predictions by the fans after the weekend.
Good luck with your favorites,
I remember once seeing a poster, a cartoon depiction, about the world west of the Charles River. There was no doubt that Arkansas was West! :D
Ralph: some Bean-and-Cod-City-centric maps show
everything west of the Charles River as
terra incognita, the land posted as "Here there be dragons."
As far as pool A teams getting shipped out look at Linfield last year. They were a conference winner and got the pool A bid but dropped in the regional rankings and were shipped to the central regional.
Prediction
Pomona
Cal Lu
George Fox
Pac Lu
Hendrix
ASC Winner
Any other guesses out there
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 03, 2009, 03:05:37 PM
Prediction
Pomona
Cal Lu
George Fox
Pac Lu
Hendrix
ASC Winner
Any other guesses out there
I think based on the weakness of the Pool B's this year, Chapman will get in. They would displace Hendrix who I believe will get shipped elsewhere. Additionally, though I believe CLU
should make it, not being ranked in the last regional rankings (which didn't include Hendrix) doesn't help. I'm not exactly sure what's going on with the Texas teams- I don't get a chance to follow them much- but I would think UT-Tyler gets in even if the ASC championship against Mississippi.
Any thoughts/insight from people more familiar with the Texas teams?
I think that we are reaching to give 2 Pool C bids to the west at this time.
PP
Hendrix
ASC Pool A
NWC Pool A
Chapman
one Pool C bid,
QuoteWest Region
1. Pomona-Pitzer 33-4 25-2
2. Texas-Tyler 34-9 21-8
3. Pacific Lutheran 31-8 29-8
4. Texas-Dallas 27-16 26-12
5. George Fox 32-9 29-6
6. Chapman 24-13 17-11
and the best Pool C bid from the West last week was the Pac Lu/GFU loser.
UTD picked up 2 losses.
UTT and MC are battling as we speak for the Pool A slot. UTT has to win twice and they beat MC in the first game 16-2. It was scoreless in the third inning of the decisive game. I think it would be a crime if MC wins and Tyler not getting a Pool C bid for the second year in a row. That would deprive the ASC a 15 team league a second bid again. That presents serious issues IMHO. Ralph has suggested the league be broken into two conferences so that 2 Pool A slots can be assured. But there is more to a confernce than what the baseball teams want so I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Texas BB
UT Tyler took the voters out of the equation by plating 7 runs with 2 outs in the 9th inning to win 8-5 and take the ASC crown tonight.
Possibilities of any other ASC team recieving an atlarge bid are very slim.
Here is what I see for the West:
1. Pomona-Pitzer
2. UT-Tyler
3/4. George Fox/ Pacific Lutheran
5. Cal Lutheran
6. Chapman
* I see Hendrix getting shipped to the Central region as long as Carthage wins the Pool A bid in the CCIW.
I know it is not in the cards but I wanted to put in a plug for Mississippi College. They ended up short due to a great 2 out comback by UTT but finished the season 30-16 and Co-Champs of of the ASC East. They were 4-2 overall in the conference tournament. They also ended up splitting their 6 games overall with UTT during the season. Over the last 3 weeks nobody in the ASC has played better baseball. I sure would like to see them getting a chance to continue to play. Too many early season losses may keep them out but after a slow start this team has really played outstanding baseball.
IF what Big Poppa says is correct, the committee will put 5 ranked teams in one regional to take one winner to the finals??? That is one way to keep the West down.....................Just one time-- West Regionals
an LA Mike-Dodger Dog selection:
PP
Tex Tyl
Pac LU
Chapman
Geo Fox
Hendrix
This arrangement gives the 4 conferences in the West Region, team selections, a Pool B and a Pool C team to round out the bracket.
We can now just wait for Thursday for the final Regional Rankings to see how this will REALLY be..........
and from the Bull pen:
Maybe a Pool C to Cal Lu - then they are off to the South or Central Regions
better OA record, in-regional record and will fare better with the tall
boys of the south !!!!
MC and Tex Dal both took themselves out of the competition
Millsaps is in the mix but at the bottom of the bowl !!
I need ice on my head.............off to the trainer !!!
Quote from: LA Mike on May 04, 2009, 11:50:46 AM
Millsaps is in the mix but at the bottom of the bowl !!
Are you kidding? Millsaps is above all but one or two of the West Region teams.
Millsaps will be one of the top 3-4 Pool C teams
Millsaps got blanked in their conference tournament going 0-2 to teams that were not ranked. MC goes 4-2 and comes within one stike of a Pool A bid and they are not even on the radar screen. Supposedly MC played themselves out of a Pool C bid by loosing twice to UTT but somehow by lossing its last 2 games against supposedly weaker opponents Millsaps played its way in? At least MC won 4 games in the conference tournament and made it to the finals before bowing out. Millsaps lost 2 games on its home field.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 04, 2009, 12:21:48 PM
Quote from: LA Mike on May 04, 2009, 11:50:46 AM
Millsaps is in the mix but at the bottom of the bowl !!
Are you kidding? Millsaps is above all but one or two of the West Region teams.
OOPS-----------
My significant screw up-- my note sheets were mis-interpreted (they are quite illegible actually at this point) and I added losses twice......I will get them back in the mix quickly. But----- no more Conference Championships; there is no more room on the paper !!!!
Millsaps beat MC 3 times this year by scores of 20-3, 11-4 and 12-10.
I believe the NCAA Regional selections are based on the body of work over a 40 game season, not the last 4-6 games or 2 games in a tournament.
So, the body of work over 40 games should be the best criteria. Millsaps deserves to get a Regional berth on that criteria.
Head to head should speak volumes. Millsaps deserves the berth based on this criteria.
Head to head 3 times with those scores screams against the position MC has a better claim to a Pool C than MC.
While we can pick something isolated to justify about anything, there isn't any reasonable argument that Millsaps does not deserve a Pool C or that there are more deserving teams.
Infielddad,
I actually agree with you. But that often does not happen. Last year UTT had a great record going into the conference tournament but lost two games the second weekend (actually finshed with a tournament record of 3-2) and those two losses kept them out of a Pool C bid despite the fact that they ended up ranked in the top 25 nationally. So it can and does happen. I can almost guarntee you that if UTT went 0-2 in the conference tournament like Millsaps did this year they would be outside looking in. Millsaps had a great season and with its overall body of work it deserves a Pool C bid. However, other teams that go 0-2 have gotten bit before. MC played alot better the last month and 1/2 of the season then they did earlier in the season. They are a better team today than they were in early March but those early losses are killing them. Still they won 30 games, were East Division Co-Champions of the ASC and should be considered. If they were in another region other than the West they may in fact be in the tournament.
TexasBB, other than using Millsaps for the point of reference, we are in complete agreement....some of the best DIII teams will not be selected on Sunday or play next week.
The process itself, but mostly the geography of the West, costs to the NCAA, travel logistics in the West will always make it an issue.
To complicate this even further, just like in 2004, the West Regional is likely once again to have 4 and maybe 5 nationally ranked teams. Of course only one gets to Wisconsin.
The good result about 2004 is the West Region winner won it all.
The bad part is Jack Parkman continues to pick at Trinity for not getting to Wisconsin. ;)
Quote from: infielddad on May 04, 2009, 03:18:49 PM
TexasBB, other than using Millsaps for the point of reference, we are in complete agreement....some of the best DIII teams will not be selected on Sunday or playing next week.
The process itself, but mostly the geography of the West, costs to the NCAA, travel logistics in the West will always make it an issue.
To complicate this even further, just like in 2004, the West Regional is likely once again to have 4 and maybe 5 nationally ranked teams. Of course only one gets to Wisconsin.
The good result about 2004 is the West Region winner won it all.
The bad part is Jack Parkman continues to pick at Trinity for not getting to Wisconsin. ;)
Who, me? I would never do such a thing ::)
I was about to point out the head to head matchups of Millsaps and MC, but you beat me to it. Actually, Millsaps was suppose to play in UTT's round robin tourney at the beginning of the season. They backed out and Concordia was called in to fill the gap. Would have been a fun first weekend with Millsaps and UTT squaring off against each other.
It is possible that Millsaps recieves a pool C bid to the southern regional...travel kinda dictates that to be a good move. If anyone in the west recieves a pool C it will likely be a pacific coast team because of the location of the tourney.
I agree that MC evolved this season into a very good team and would be a good addition to any regional tournament, but their early season stumbles washed away their chances of that happening.
Quote from: infielddad on May 04, 2009, 01:48:34 PM
Millsaps beat MC 3 times this year by scores of 20-3, 11-4 and 12-10.
I believe the NCAA Regional selections are based on the body of work over a 40 game season, not the last 4-6 games or 2 games in a tournament.
So, the body of work over 40 games should be the best criteria. Millsaps deserves to get a Regional berth on that criteria.
Head to head should speak volumes. Millsaps deserves the berth based on this criteria.
Head to head 3 times with those scores screams against the position MC has a better claim to a Pool C than MC.
While we can pick something isolated to justify about anything, there isn't any reasonable argument that Millsaps does not deserve a Pool C or that there are more deserving teams.
Millsaps deserves to be in the tournament this year and I think they will get in somewhere. They do have the head to head wins. I don't think those games say much about how the teams would fare against one another on a weekend, but you certainly can't discount them. They should get in ahead of MC in my opinion.
I do think both teams should be in. Millsaps had a great season and MC has played great the final six weeks, and probably could match up with about anyone in the country with weekend pitching going. Looking a this from an MC/Millsaps perspective, it's one thing to not deserve to go, but it's another thing to be left out because you're not within 500 miles of a predetermined regional.
"Looking a this from an MC/Millsaps perspective, it's one thing to not deserve to go, but it's another thing to be left out because you're not within 500 miles of a predetermined regional."
Chris, you are preaching to the choir. Absolutely, you are correct.
The distance issue is going to raise another issue I have already commented on in terms of the strength of the Regional.
From what is being posted, the West could have 4-5 teams ranked in the top 25 to 30.
If you were interested in the strongest teams getting to Wisconsin, the Regionals would be much more balanced. If you factored cost as a major element, you do it this way.
This occurred in 2004. George Fox won the CWS. TU was not far behind them, if they were behind at all. The one difference was Scott Hyde and Fox rode him to the National Championship. TU was as good as any team in Wisconsin other than George Fox as their record and players proved.
I believe they both deserve to be in.
I am working on the Bracketology threat on the national board......Do we all agree that Cal Lutheran will not receive a Pool C bid??
Does anyone have convincing reasoning/evidence, not they think they should get in, but that the committee will actually do so?
Quote from: infielddad on May 04, 2009, 08:28:43 PM
"Looking a this from an MC/Millsaps perspective, it's one thing to not deserve to go, but it's another thing to be left out because you're not within 500 miles of a predetermined regional."
I know that Mississippi College Men's Hoops was treated unfairly by the selection committee in 2007 because of geographic isolation.
However, every interview that I have heard with committee members say that the bids are awarded first, and then the brackets are set. There is enough bracket flexibility to mix and match teams with brackets at this time.
Any comments on this one....
Pomona
Texas-Tyler
George Fox
Hendrix or Pac Lu (Hendrix gets moved to closer regional)
Chapman
Cal Lu
Does Cal Lu get benched by an ASC team? Or is Hendrix the Monkey wrench? Sorry LA Mike, even if the SCIAC has some stronger teams than the ASC or NWC, they've rarely placed two teams in the Regionals.
Quote from: royhobbs on May 04, 2009, 11:25:07 PM
Does Cal Lu get benched by an ASC team? Or is Hendrix the Monkey wrench? Sorry LA Mike, even if the SCIAC has some stronger teams than the ASC or NWC, they've rarely placed two teams in the Regionals.
I do not believe so. Cal Lu finished 27-6 in the West Region, UT Dallas was in the rankings last week but lost 2 more games. I don't see the ASC having anything to do with Cal Lu not making it. The NWC might be the conference that could keep them out.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 04, 2009, 08:33:33 PM
I believe they both deserve to be in.
I am working on the Bracketology threat on the national board......Do we all agree that Cal Lutheran will not receive a Pool C bid??
Does anyone have convincing reasoning/evidence, not they think they should get in, but that the committee will actually do so?
I see Cal Lu as being in as of this week. Call me crazy, but I expect to see them there this week in the Regional Rankings. Cal Lu finished second in the SCIAC which in most years is a bubble team. This year, with P-P dominating the west coast in every facet, a second SCIAC team will be considered and, I think, rightfully chosen.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 04, 2009, 10:41:54 PM
Any comments on this one....
Pomona
Texas-Tyler
George Fox
Hendrix or Pac Lu (Hendrix gets moved to closer regional)
Chapman
Cal Lu
I feel like whatever region they get sent to, it wont be close.....they have to fly no matter what.. but the committee may send them elsewhere simply for this fact, that they have to fly no matter what, might as well put a team in the west who perhaps doesnt.
This is a copy of a post I put on the national topic - Pool C. I am reposting it here since I believe all of us West Regional fans need to provoke a ground swell for action.
"I think its time to expand the tournament to a full 64 teams so that each regional will have 8 teams. As things currently stand there are only 54 teams in the tournament with 3 regions getting 8 teams and the other 5 fielding 6. There are 35 automatic Pool A bids, 6 from Pool B and 13 from Pool C. Alot of deserving potential Pool C teams are being passed over and due to travel costs some regions will never get 8 teams unless the field is expanded. A way to settle this is to expand the field by increasing the pool C slots to 23 so that each regional would have 8 teams competing.
The issue is cost but I am more concerned with fairness - treating each region the same giving them an equal amount of teams in the tournament. As West region fan we are likely to have a 6 team region comprised of as many as 5 teams ranked in the top 25 nationally with only one Pool C entry and a couple of teams with 30 wins or more will be staying at home. With an expaned field the West would be up to par with other regions with 8 teams and could add 2 more Pool C teams to the mix. Does the NCAA worry more about cost than it does about inclusion? I hope not at the expense of true student athletes. I think some type of lobbying effort for next year is needed."
Texas BB
TexasBB- Pool C bids are awarded NATIONALLY, not REGIONALLY. Adding more Pool C bids does not guarantee any more teams in the WEST. I feel like you might think the WEST is being short-changed in the bids, but they are awarded the dsame as other regions proportionally based on the number of competing institutions in the West Region.
A good example showing the quality of teams in the West was in 2008
2 of the 8 teams in the 2008 World Series came out of the West
(Linfield and Chapman)
It maybe a advantage for a West team to get shipped to another region
rather that fight it out in Linfield.
There are great teams in all parts of the country as the West has not won
the World Series in several years.
In perfect world with costs not being a issue 8 team 8 regionals or
16 team 4 regionals followed by 8 2 team super regionals
like DI/DII could solve many of the POOL C issues with the current 54 team Tournament format.
Current format has some 30 plus win teams not making while 20 plus win teams do. Even sub 20 wins teams made it last year.
Current format has some 30 plus win teams not making while 20 plus win teams do. Even sub 20 wins teams made it last year.
But those sub 20 win teams won their way into the post-season with Conference Tournament victories. Should they be left out? If we place an arbitrary "automatic bid" at 30 wins, then why would anyone schedule anyone that might beat them out of conference. Chapman would schedule the bottom of the SCIAC to easily reach 30 wins instead of the brutal scheduel they do play. St. Thomas would not schedule Whitewater in the dome and Carthage would not play Whitewater or Wooster in Florida.
Very true. I am not a huge fan of the automatic bid from conference tournaments. I would like to put more emphasis on winning the regular season title, but tournaments has always been the way it has gone. There is a similar situation in NCAA basketball where teams who are bubble teams all year (or sometimes not even considered) get in the tourney via winning the conference tournament.
But, changing the automatic bids does not really solve anything. Expanding the field might solve a little, but in 10 years will people argue that deserving teams got left out? Probably. I am in favor of the 64 team field and regional/super regional setup that D1 and D2 have. I guess an arguement could be made that there arent enough D3 teams, but 64 seems to be the magic number.
Quote from: TexasBB on May 05, 2009, 10:19:49 AM
This is a copy of a post I put on the national topic - Pool C. I am reposting it here since I believe all of us West Regional fans need to provoke a ground swell for action.
"I think its time to expand the tournament to a full 64 teams so that each regional will have 8 teams. As things currently stand there are only 54 teams in the tournament with 3 regions getting 8 teams and the other 5 fielding 6. There are 35 automatic Pool A bids, 6 from Pool B and 13 from Pool C. Alot of deserving potential Pool C teams are being passed over and due to travel costs some regions will never get 8 teams unless the field is expanded. A way to settle this is to expand the field by increasing the pool C slots to 23 so that each regional would have 8 teams competing.
The issue is cost but I am more concerned with fairness - treating each region the same giving them an equal amount of teams in the tournament. As West region fan we are likely to have a 6 team region comprised of as many as 5 teams ranked in the top 25 nationally with only one Pool C entry and a couple of teams with 30 wins or more will be staying at home. With an expaned field the West would be up to par with other regions with 8 teams and could add 2 more Pool C teams to the mix. Does the NCAA worry more about cost than it does about inclusion? I hope not at the expense of true student athletes. I think some type of lobbying effort for next year is needed."
Texas BB
An equal number of teams are being sent to the tournament. We only have 40 teams in the West Region. New England has about 65. The Mid-Atlantic has nearly 60 teams.
The difference for us is that we have really good conferences that have their leader on the radar screen nationally.
In regions where a sport is strong, this is a problem for D-III. In basketball, the midwest was loaded with great teams. Please go read the men's basketball boards about the Sectionals in which 10 of the (D3hoops.com) top 21 teams meeting in one bracket of 15.
http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbbbracket2009.pdf
The second round matchups were:
#3 vs #5; #2 vs #8; #1 vs #4; #21 vs #7 (which was a re-match of the NWC Championship game).
We see strong teams in the West and we have to face them early. There have been 2 national champions out of the West Region in this decade. We are just that good.
Well at the veryl least my post has led to people sharing their opinions and thinking about it. We can mechanically make the selection based on national rankings - or other methods. The additional 23 should come from a national pool. I too do not like all of the emphasis that is placed on conference tournaments. The best teams like Millsaps can have a bad weekend. The emphasis should be on the entire body of work. That is however a different issue for a different day. Expansion - inclusion to 64 makes logical sense from a number of different perspectives. What there should not be is a top 25 team sitting at home. The current system not only makes that possible but almost guarntees it. I for one would like to see that corrected and by expanding the Pool C group to 23 it goes a long way to fixing the problem. That does not mean that weak teams make it - it should be the best 23 that are not already in Pool A or Pool B.
As I posted on the ASC site the top 25 is out and it looks like 6 teams from the West Region are ranked. Chapman is not one of those so if Chapman is awarded a Pool B slot it appears that one of those ranked teams will be sitting at home. Plays to my arguement of an expanded tournament with selection from a true national pool. No top 25 team should be sitting at home.
Weather in the PacNW has been horrible the past couple of weeks (in fact all of this past spring). Accuweather.com is showing rain next Wednesday but it looks like a good week of weather after that...however that could change.
2 years ago the West Regional was scheduled to be at McMurry in Abilene Texas.
At the very last minute it was switched to Chapman due week long heavy thundershowers in Texas. Last year with no weather issues it was played
at McMurry which did a great job hosting the event with a great venue.
I hope the weather holds up for Linfield and the McMinnville area.
Linfield has a great facility that will hold up even if there is a little rain. The infield is full field turf except for the mound. Outfield has good drainage. I would expect the weather to be pretty nice, it starts to turn around this time of year.
With the softball west regional having 3 teams from 1 conference (SCIAC) any chance that the baseball west regional sports 3 teams from the NWC?
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 06, 2009, 03:08:48 PM
Linfield has a great facility that will hold up even if there is a little rain. The infield is full field turf except for the mound. Outfield has good drainage. I would expect the weather to be pretty nice, it starts to turn around this time of year.
With the softball west regional having 3 teams from 1 conference (SCIAC) any chance that the baseball west regional sports 3 teams from the NWC?
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I do not see Linfield getting a third NWC bid.
Agreed BigPoppa. Our 'Cats just ran out of gas in the end. Too bad as it would really make a great enviroment for the regional even better.
The field does look great in the photos. How does that artificial turf hold up with metal spikes or moulded cletes?
The western region is starting to take shape and the list of teams is coming together. I do agree that the loser of the GF and PacLU game on Saturday will drop to the bubble. If they are in, they will be in the western region due to the ability to bus them to the tournament. (They will be the only ones !!!)
Pomona-Pitzer -- SCIAC -- A
Tex Tyler -- ASC -- A
_______ -- NWC -- A
_______ -- C
Chapman -- B
Hendrix -- SCAC-- A (they have to fly somewhere !)
Pick One of Two
Geo Fox
Pac LU
Pick One of Two
Cal LU
Tex Dal
And just a final thought on the "Conference Tournaments" that are still going on in all the other regions........some of those teams have 42-48 games (see also ASC teams) played under the guise of "the tournament games do not count". [The ASC should split the conference -- ASWC and ASEC-- If they each had a Pool A bid to the western region it could make scheduling work out more consistently.]
I "timed out"-- and now I am back ----- I think that is a way for the other conferences to play an extra week, play an extra 6-8 games and not be restricted by the 40 game rule of the west. The conferences should be required to keep a stack of 3, 4, 5, or 6 games that has to be held back from the scheduled games to allow for the "tournament" to happen.
There is one conference that has 12 conference games...........Why do they only play each team twice ??? It leaves any head to head potentially a split, and does not prove any strength between the teams. It only allows the teams (in this particular conference) to control their schedule for another 28 games plus the "conference tournament" games. In my opinion, this is the nothing but a wild pitch!!
Now, just wait until Sunday night at 2am
LA Mike
If PLU gets the NWC bid then George Fox will definitely get the pool C bid. It will cost the NCAA nothing to send them to the regional since Fox is 15 minutes down the road from McMinnville.
Thats right for those of you who don't know, Linfield is the school but the town is McMinnville.
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 08, 2009, 12:24:17 AM
If PLU gets the NWC bid then George Fox will definitely get the pool C bid. It will cost the NCAA nothing to send them to the regional since Fox is 15 minutes down the road from McMinnville.
Thats right for those of you who don't know, Linfield is the school but the town is McMinnville.
I am not so sure George Fox would get in if they lost this weekend. Cal Lutheran seems to be the top Pool C team in the West. George Fox would not get in before Cal Lu. The only way would be for there to be multiple Pool C's from the West, which I am not positive would happen. Who knows, I could be wrong....again.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2009, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 08, 2009, 12:24:17 AM
If PLU gets the NWC bid then George Fox will definitely get the pool C bid. It will cost the NCAA nothing to send them to the regional since Fox is 15 minutes down the road from McMinnville.
Thats right for those of you who don't know, Linfield is the school but the town is McMinnville.
I am not so sure George Fox would get in if they lost this weekend. Cal Lutheran seems to be the top Pool C team in the West. George Fox would not get in before Cal Lu. The only way would be for there to be multiple Pool C's from the West, which I am not positive would happen. Who knows, I could be wrong....again.
I have no doubt that George Fox is better than Cal Lutheran, but I agree with you that I am skeptical they would get in if they lost...even though they should.
If George Fox gets in, they are my pick to win the regional.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 08, 2009, 08:29:16 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2009, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 08, 2009, 12:24:17 AM
If PLU gets the NWC bid then George Fox will definitely get the pool C bid. It will cost the NCAA nothing to send them to the regional since Fox is 15 minutes down the road from McMinnville.
Thats right for those of you who don't know, Linfield is the school but the town is McMinnville.
I am not so sure George Fox would get in if they lost this weekend. Cal Lutheran seems to be the top Pool C team in the West. George Fox would not get in before Cal Lu. The only way would be for there to be multiple Pool C's from the West, which I am not positive would happen. Who knows, I could be wrong....again.
I have no doubt that George Fox is better than Cal Lutheran, but I agree with you that I am skeptical they would get in if they lost...even though they should.
If George Fox gets in, they are my pick to win the regional.
I am all for personal opinions, but I am wondering what you judge yours on in regards to Cal Lu/George Fox?
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2009, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 08, 2009, 08:29:16 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2009, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 08, 2009, 12:24:17 AM
If PLU gets the NWC bid then George Fox will definitely get the pool C bid. It will cost the NCAA nothing to send them to the regional since Fox is 15 minutes down the road from McMinnville.
Thats right for those of you who don't know, Linfield is the school but the town is McMinnville.
I am not so sure George Fox would get in if they lost this weekend. Cal Lutheran seems to be the top Pool C team in the West. George Fox would not get in before Cal Lu. The only way would be for there to be multiple Pool C's from the West, which I am not positive would happen. Who knows, I could be wrong....again.
I have no doubt that George Fox is better than Cal Lutheran, but I agree with you that I am skeptical they would get in if they lost...even though they should.
If George Fox gets in, they are my pick to win the regional.
I am all for personal opinions, but I am wondering what you judge yours on in regards to Cal Lu/George Fox?
I would have to agree Jack. I have seen Cal Lu play, and they were easily the best team PP played all year. And there's certainly no denying that they have one of the best overall pitching staffs in the west, if not d3. Haven't seen George Fox, but I do know Pac Lu did not impress me very much (guess they could have just had a bad day...).
Also, despite some pretty impressive stats (.370 team BA w/ 9 regulars at .345 and above) it's pretty tough to compare George Fox to the rest of the west when they have only played CSEB in non-conference in region games (took 2 of 3). I understand that a lot of this has to do with the 32 game NWC shedule (which is ridiculous), but saying that they are no doubt better than Cal Lu, or that they will win the west regional is a pretty bold assertion.
Have you actually had a chance to see them play in person d3nut?
D3nut might be the most appropriate name I have ever seen for a poster on this board :)
D3nut should have wore a cup!
Quote from: royhobbs on May 08, 2009, 01:50:27 PM
D3nut should have wore a cup!
haha.....you guys love it.....
I just think George Fox is better. While the NWC isnt great, it certainly isnt any worse than the SCIAC....there a lot of automatic wins in that league as well.
We'll see. GFU might not even get to the regional. But if they do, i think ppl are hating a little too much on the NWC.
Nobody hates the NWC, just think it's weaker this year than the ASC, Chapman, or the SCIAC. We'll find out soon enough!
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 08, 2009, 03:08:32 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 08, 2009, 01:50:27 PM
D3nut should have wore a cup!
haha.....you guys love it.....
I just think George Fox is better. While the NWC isnt great, it certainly isnt any worse than the SCIAC....there a lot of automatic wins in that league as well.
We'll see. GFU might not even get to the regional. But if they do, i think ppl are hating a little too much on the NWC.
I'm not saying that NWC is a poor conference at all (though I think the SCIAC might have a little more depth this year), im just saying it's difficult to comare the NWC teams to other west region teams because the NWC teams don't really get a chance to play anyone outside their conference. While teams like PLU and UPS try to make their rounds in so cal, GFU wasted most of their non-conference on non d3 teams like Hawaii-Hilo and Concordia Portland. Their only non-conference in-region opponent is East Bay.
In any case, it looks like we'll get a chance to see how GFU compares next week if they managed to hold on to that 11-2 lead today. It definitely looks like they can swing the bats.
Any guesses on the bracket?
My guess is.....
1. Pomona-Pitzer
2. UT-Tyler
3. Cal Lutheran
4. George Fox
5. PLU
6. Chapman
As much as I don't like the P-P/Chapman game, the others are very good match-ups. Thoughts?
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 10, 2009, 12:41:22 AM
Any guesses on the bracket?
My guess is.....
1. Pomona-Pitzer
2. UT-Tyler
3. Cal Lutheran
4. George Fox
5. PLU
6. Chapman
As much as I don't like the P-P/Chapman game, the others are very good match-ups. Thoughts?
You need to separate PLU and GFU and PP and CLU. That puts a few crimps in the brackets.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 10, 2009, 12:41:22 AM
Any guesses on the bracket?
My guess is.....
1. Pomona-Pitzer
2. UT-Tyler
3. Cal Lutheran
4. George Fox
5. PLU
6. Chapman
As much as I don't like the P-P/Chapman game, the others are very good match-ups. Thoughts?
Why don't you like the P-P/Chapman game??? Don't you think their game is a good match-up??
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on May 10, 2009, 01:23:12 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 10, 2009, 12:41:22 AM
Any guesses on the bracket?
My guess is.....
1. Pomona-Pitzer
2. UT-Tyler
3. Cal Lutheran
4. George Fox
5. PLU
6. Chapman
As much as I don't like the P-P/Chapman game, the others are very good match-ups. Thoughts?
Why don't you like the P-P/Chapman game??? Don't you think their game is a good match-up??
Oh no, I didnt mean for it to sound like it's not a good match-up cause it is. They just played recently and it would be nice to have 3 games with teams that hadn't faced each other this year. I think it will be a great game, and could be an upset.
do you think hendrix would definitely get shipped over a pool C such as cal lutheran? I understand they would want they would want to keep PLU in linfield since its so close, but doesnt the team that won their conference get to go to their own regional? I know cal lu's record is much better, but still.
What is the distance for BUS vs PLANE
Hendrix to Linfield 2,219 miles(West Regional)
Hendrix to Moline, Illinois 454 miles(Central Regional) wrong
George Fox to Linfield 14 miles
Pacific Lutheran to Linfield 139 miles
Cal Lutheran to Linfield 792 miles
Pomona to Linfield 821 miles
Chapman to Linfield 839 miles
Texas-Tyler to Linfield 1734 miles
WEATHER
http://www.oregon.com/weather/Mcminnville.cfm
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 10, 2009, 07:43:10 AM
What is the distance for BUS vs PLANE
Hendrix to Linfield 2,219 miles(West Regional)
Hendrix to Moline, Illinois 454 miles(Central Regional)
George Fox to Linfield 14 miles
Pacific Lutheran to Linfield 139 miles
Cal Lutheran to Linfield 792 miles
Pomona to Linfield 821 miles
Chapman to Linfield 839 miles
Texas-Tyler to Linfield 1734 miles
Hendrix in Conway AR to Augie in Rock Island IL is 610 miles by the NCAA Mileage Calculator.
Crash, I thought that you had discovered something there!
I don't know if the committee wants to break up the conference bids by sending CalLU or Chapman some where else, but it would be a good thing.
I stand corrected. Wrong again. Wont be the last either. Need that morning
coffee before posting.
687 miles from Hendrix College to Swanson Stadium in Moline, Illinois
per Google Maps....
I glad someone is out there checking if were right..Thanks...
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 10, 2009, 01:47:14 AM
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on May 10, 2009, 01:23:12 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 10, 2009, 12:41:22 AM
Any guesses on the bracket?
My guess is.....
1. Pomona-Pitzer
2. UT-Tyler
3. Cal Lutheran
4. George Fox
5. PLU
6. Chapman
As much as I don't like the P-P/Chapman game, the others are very good match-ups. Thoughts?
Why don't you like the P-P/Chapman game??? Don't you think their game is a good match-up??
Oh no, I didnt mean for it to sound like it's not a good match-up cause it is. They just played recently and it would be nice to have 3 games with teams that hadn't faced each other this year. I think it will be a great game, and could be an upset.
I hear ya..... they just played each other in their own backyard and it would more exciting watching two teams that haven't seen each. And the teams from up North don't know that you have to pitch around Hedman and also stay clear of Mandelblatt.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2009, 08:12:59 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 10, 2009, 07:43:10 AM
What is the distance for BUS vs PLANE
Hendrix to Linfield 2,219 miles(West Regional)
Hendrix to Moline, Illinois 454 miles(Central Regional)
George Fox to Linfield 14 miles
Pacific Lutheran to Linfield 139 miles
Cal Lutheran to Linfield 792 miles
Pomona to Linfield 821 miles
Chapman to Linfield 839 miles
Texas-Tyler to Linfield 1734 miles
Hendrix in Conway AR to Augie in Rock Island IL is 610 miles by the NCAA Mileage Calculator.
Crash, I thought that you had discovered something there!
I don't know if the committee wants to break up the conference bids by sending CalLU or Chapman some where else, but it would be a good thing.
Ralph - if the committee does breakup the conference bids, how do they determine which team to send?? Do they base it on pool bid or W-L record??
If it is based on pool bid, would they send C since it is the lowest pool?? And where do you think the team be sent too if not Linfield?
George Fox smoked PLU yesterday 24-6. I guess fox is better than some of you thought. They are a very good team that plays fundamental baseball. They take advantage of other teams mistakes while making few themselves. I saw this first hand at the Fox/Linfield Series.
This is going to be a great regional!! My goodness if that is the teams that will be getting the bids, this will be exciting to see what happens...I still got cal lu winning it, there pitching is so deep that many teams cant compete...but i will say fox can flat hit and if the weather is bad that would give them an edge.
I think that the Linfield Regional is, in no particular order:
P-P, UTTyler, Cal Lu, GFU, Chapman and PLU.
It will be an interesting selection process, but I hope that the selection committee is interested in spreading out some of the talent of the west region-- 5 out of 6 ranked teams, I guess it would be an advantage for the eastern conferences -- only 1 ranked team would come out of the region to the WS.
There should be a consideration to have at least 2 ranked teams in each regional and a third one in the 8 team regional tourn. - making a place for 19 of the 25 ranked teams (some A and some C)
Since Hendrix has to fly and they are a part of the west region-- fly to Linfield
Since PLU and CLU are Pool C teams (MAYBE- but with good records) -- pick one to
stay and send the other one off to another region - Central or Midwest??
(probably PLU to stay, the committee can Buss'em to Linfield - it would still
give you a 4th ranked team in the west)
and Chapman is still unranked in any poll -- what would be the right thing to do ?
or --- go to 8 teams in the west regional and leave the weaker regions with 6 teams to battle it out for the next level. (yes I know even though they have more teams) I feel like the committee wants to give everyone trophies (proportional number of bids!) because it would be "more fair". If a region is weak, bring in teams to raise the region's quality or make the region smaller so that it is not just sending a team to the WS that is automatic---- unless that is the objective.
See you later tonight--
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 08, 2009, 08:29:16 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2009, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 08, 2009, 12:24:17 AM
If PLU gets the NWC bid then George Fox will definitely get the pool C bid. It will cost the NCAA nothing to send them to the regional since Fox is 15 minutes down the road from McMinnville.
Thats right for those of you who don't know, Linfield is the school but the town is McMinnville.
I am not so sure George Fox would get in if they lost this weekend. Cal Lutheran seems to be the top Pool C team in the West. George Fox would not get in before Cal Lu. The only way would be for there to be multiple Pool C's from the West, which I am not positive would happen. Who knows, I could be wrong....again.
I have no doubt that George Fox is better than Cal Lutheran, but I agree with you that I am skeptical they would get in if they lost...even though they should.
If George Fox gets in, they are my pick to win the regional.
I am telling you....GFU is good....
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2009, 02:55:43 PM
I think that the Linfield Regional is, in no particular order:
P-P, UTTyler, Cal Lu, GFU, Chapman and PLU.
This is reminisent of the 07 western regional with GFU, P-P, PLU, Chapman, UTT and Austin College instead of Cal LU.
I don't think that at this point in the season Chapman would mind ( except for the fans) where they play.
Quote from: chakote on May 10, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2009, 02:55:43 PM
I think that the Linfield Regional is, in no particular order:
P-P, UTTyler, Cal Lu, GFU, Chapman and PLU.
This is reminisent of the 07 western regional with GFU, P-P, PLU, Chapman, UTT and Austin College instead of Cal LU.
I don't think that at this point in the season Chapman would mind ( except for the fans) where they play.
Actually the '07 Western Regional had GFU, P-P, PLU, Chapman, TLU, UTD & Austin College = 7 team regional.
JSG
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 10, 2009, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: chakote on May 10, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2009, 02:55:43 PM
I think that the Linfield Regional is, in no particular order:
P-P, UTTyler, Cal Lu, GFU, Chapman and PLU.
This is reminisent of the 07 western regional with GFU, P-P, PLU, Chapman, UTT and Austin College instead of Cal LU.
I don't think that at this point in the season Chapman would mind ( except for the fans) where they play.
Actually the '07 Western Regional had GFU, P-P, PLU, Chapman, TLU, UTD & Austin College = 7 team regional.
JSG
That was the year with 53 bids.
OUCH! I guess the playoff game with George Fox really hurt PLU. I thought they would be safe, but I was wrong....for the 4th time.
Add PLU to the all snubbed team
I was a bit surprised by PLU not making the field after watching them sweep past my Loggers with a pretty good team but has anyone seen the story on their website?
http://www.plu.edu/athletics/baseball/2009releases/051109ncaa.htm
That doesn't look like it will make any friends with the NCAA anytime soon!!! :o
Quote from: GrizzTheLogger on May 11, 2009, 07:39:43 PM
I was a bit surprised by PLU not making the field after watching them sweep past my Loggers with a pretty good team but has anyone seen the story on their website?
http://www.plu.edu/athletics/baseball/2009releases/051109ncaa.htm
That doesn't look like it will make any friends with the NCAA anytime soon!!! :o
HAHA
THat is a great article and very on target....
I havent seen a NWC team play ever, but judging by the bottom 6 teams in their conference's records, I can see why Pacific Lutheran didnt get a Pool C. Most of their games are conference games, and to play almost half your games against teams with .500 or worse records doesnt help your chances. I know thats just the way it is, but I would be willing to bet that their OOWP is what brought them way down.
Why are teams "snubbed" if they were not selected? If PacLU had beat Geo Fox, they would have been in the tournament, and GF would have had the dice roll (not control of the dice, just the result -- IN or OUT !!!)
The ASC can split themselves, they play an East and West division schedule as it is ---- if they split to a Amer. South-East and Amer. South-West, they get 2 AQ plus the chance for a 3rd "pool C" instead of a Cee-ya after one AQ !!
Miss. College, blew the tournament...................oops and lost the AQ. If they were to organize that "Multi-region" to be one place or the other or the other, it would help to have a Pool A and see what is left over for a possible Pool C.
Yogi Berra said, "it is not over until it is over"---- for some it is over until next year. What positive do you have to say about the teams that are left to compete ???
Looking forward to the on and off rain in Oregon-- intermittent between games only !
My slicker is packed ..................and I am off to the ball game.
LA Mike, what would your post be saying if it was Cal Lu staying home and Pac Lu in the regional? They better throw Tigert game one!
I note the article said that this was the first time since 2005 that the Northwest Conference did not have 2 teams in the tournament. Wow the ASC which is a 15 team league has not had 2 teams in the tournament since 2007 and since then have had 5 teams left home with 30 wins or more, one of wich had 35 wins but still was left home last year. So join the club of the disinfranchised. WE NEED A 64 TEAM FIELD!!!!
There is no way in ##!! that a team that has less than 30 wins with double didget losses should ever be considered over the teams from the western region conferences that won 30 or more and are left home. I am sorry but something is rotten and it smells like 3 day old fish. >:(
Weather is going to be hit and miss tomorrow with showers. Like cat_fan stated the field can take a ton of rain because of the turf infield/drainage in the outfield.
Weather this weekend should be perfect for baseball. Low 70's and sunny. 3rd street in downtown McMinnville has great places to visit from wine bars, a few coffee shops, and great brew pubs. Enjoy the great NW.
MAY MADNESS PICKS NEED TO BE IN BY MIDNIGHT TONIGHT.....IF YOU WANT TO PLAY...
Email prediction for Winner and runner-up for each regional: basefrk2@aol.com
whats with the lack of love for my hens? this is outrageous! this board should be littered with stories about hedman and kangs tryouts with the Dbacks last week and colvin's 94 mph heater. no respect. whats with all the talk about the hens being underdogs :o :o ??? >:( last i checked they were ranked #1 in the country!
PS LA Mike, will you be in oregon for the regional? I'd love to hear from a good ol' SCIAC supporter :P :-* ;D I can't get out of my job down here in Pasadena, the market wont just stop without me! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: sagehenalum47 on May 13, 2009, 01:51:11 AM
whats with the lack of love for my hens? this is outrageous! this board should be littered with stories about hedman and kangs tryouts with the Dbacks last week and colvin's 94 mph heater. no respect. whats with all the talk about the hens being underdogs :o :o ??? >:( last i checked they were ranked #1 in the country!
PS LA Mike, will you be in oregon for the regional? I'd love to hear from a good ol' SCIAC supporter :P :-* ;D I can't get out of my job down here in Pasadena, the market wont just stop without me! ;D ;D ;D
It would help if there were 20-30 Sagehen alums registered as regular posters contributing articles weekly from their local newspapers thruout the season and on all of the message boards...M/W soccer, football, M/W hoops!
I read more local news coverage about PP from OxyBob's diligent efforts than I can recall from any PP posters.
Regretfully, I think that the "no respect" is from the Sagehen covey. You need to bring your friends. :)
Did you check out the front page Monday morning?
D3baseball.com picked PP as its favorite. (http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2009/05/12/2009+West+Regional+Preview.html) ;)
Quote from: sagehenalum47 on May 13, 2009, 01:51:11 AM
whats with the lack of love for my hens? this is outrageous! this board should be littered with stories about hedman and kangs tryouts with the Dbacks last week and colvin's 94 mph heater. no respect. whats with all the talk about the hens being underdogs :o :o ??? >:( last i checked they were ranked #1 in the country!
PS LA Mike, will you be in oregon for the regional? I'd love to hear from a good ol' SCIAC supporter :P :-* ;D I can't get out of my job down here in Pasadena, the market wont just stop without me! ;D ;D ;D
Why are they having tryouts with the D-Backs during the season? Just curious, but that sounds really weird to me.
Chapman at UT-Tyler in the second game in McMinnville.
Common opponent -- McMurry. Chapman swept McMurry in McM's opening weekend, and McM went 3-3 versus UTT. UTT batted .284 in those 6 games, down from their .339 season team batting avg.
Chapman has played 24 post-season games in the previous three seasons, including 10 games in three trips to the D3World Series.
UTT is bringing 6 seasons of anticipation in its first NCAA playoff game.
I think we will enjoy it. Live Stats link is on the scoreboard (http://www.d3baseball.com/schedule/2009-05-13).
Hens will need to score a lot of runs to win it...which they have done most of the year. Don't know that they have the pitching depth in this kind of compressed format. Will definitely have to stay in the winner's bracket.
Sagehen alum, Hedman and Kang are outstanding, Colvin's one of the best out West and will get a win or two this weekend. Other PP starters faded toward the end. Only guys out West I saw hit 90's on the guns this year were Chapman's Kitchens when he was healthy, Redlands' Nicholson, and CLU's Tigert. Good luck this weekend to the Sagehens, Kingsmen, and Panthers! Chapman may surprise a few!
Western Regional should be a great tournament with 6 tough teams. Sagehens kick off with Hendrix in T-minus 3 hours and 30 minutes .... and somehow I convinced my wife to let me get away from her and the new born to get up to portland...unfortunately I am stuck in the SFO airport :(.....give me up dates!! Please
IKeepScore
You can also join us on the Daily Dose for discussion of all eight regionals. Follow along with us or contribute items from games you're following.
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/05/13/regionals-underway/
Not to squelch discussion here at all, please continue! Just hoping to get occasional contributions from those following the games.
All of today's games are postponed until tomorrow. Does this mean that the winner of the west regional will have 1 less day of rest than all the other regional winners?
Quote from: ppfan on May 13, 2009, 04:24:16 PM
All of today's games are postponed until tomorrow. Does this mean that the winner of the west regional will have 1 less day of rest than all the other regional winners?
looks like you are in luck IKeepscore! pp fan, I think tehy will be in the same position because a lot of other regionals are 8 teamers, but i'm not sure, maybe ralph or big poppa would know? I didn't see the d3baseball.com predictions, I guess the hens are getting some respect after all! as for wondering why you would have workouts in front of major league scouts during the season, was never invited to any major league tryouts but I think if you are lucky enough to get a tryout you do it whenever a scout asks you to! ;D
is the NCAA regretting its choice of linfield when mcmurry or chapman could have hosted a sunny, warm tournament??
Another reason to have the West Regional in the SW or SoCal. Sagehen alum- regards a MLB tryout, isn't Colvin a soph?
Sagehen alum, just checked the Market, you should have gone up North, there's still time!
The weather is going to break and be fine for the rest of the weekend and Fri, Sat, and Sunday should be perfect weather. I don't think the PacNW should be condemned from hosting future regionals because of one rain day.
West isn't only regional to be rained out. Looks like midwest is too.
Visitors should check out the evergreen aviation and space museum while in town for the regional. It's the home of the Spruce Goose.
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 13, 2009, 06:33:39 PM
The weather is going to break and be fine for the rest of the weekend and Fri, Sat, and Sunday should be perfect weather. I don't think the PacNW should be condemned from hosting future regionals because of one rain day.
Nope just build the weather into the schedule, and keep it to 6-game brackets.
Showers should be gone by noon Thursday with a high of 65 but a bit breezy.
Friday- Partly cloudy with a high in the upper 60's
Sat. & Sun. Mostly sunny with highs in the 70's
My favorite place to sit is on the first baseline at the top. You'll get protected from the breeze Thursday and the sun this weekend (depending on which game). You can also stand without bothering people and see the foul balls smash into cars ;D.
I may only take in the Championship game. I sure could use something from your favorite team for my D3 room :). I'll even exchange.
RE Linfield playoff schedule:
Maybe I am missing something ??? But if the winner of game 1 loses in game 5, they still have only one loss but I don't see on the brackets when they play again. Can anyone cure of my inability to see?
Pardon me if this has been addressed. Are games broadcast over the web? I don't see any mention of this at Linfield's website, so maybe they don't do it. Is there a place to pick up live stats? I did finally find a link at http://www.d3baseball.com/schedule/2009-05-13 [We will likely have to increment that date ahead every day.] Is that my best (only) bet?
I usually look on the front page on the right siderail for Livestats, audio or video.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 08:42:31 PM
I usually look on the front page on the right siderail for Livestats, audio or video.
Thanks, good to know.
Quote from: ppfan on May 13, 2009, 04:24:16 PM
All of today's games are postponed until tomorrow. Does this mean that the winner of the west regional will have 1 less day of rest than all the other regional winners?
Yes, but so will the winner of the Central and Midwest which were also washed out today. No big deal. At this point in the season, you just play until they kick you off the field. Adrenaline can take players a long way when this much is on the line.
QuoteAll of today's games are postponed until tomorrow.
Well, der...
I would guess that the predominant weather pattern was factored in for the regional choice. The field turf stadium would have to have been also.
It is ironic that one of the major industries of the Willamette Valley is the real deal field turf and grass seed, yet it takes the imitation stuff to get the job done.
Just found this board a few days ago and decided to join up... been catching up reading all the West Region posts and the SCIAC posts - I am a CLU grad and pulling heavy for the graple today... live up north so family and I will be there Friday afternoon/evening for the game (hopefully the evening)...
I have heard MUCH grief from the PLU faithful up here in the Seattle/Tacoma area... and much deserved so... it doesn't matter what you do - MLB or D3 baseball/hoops/football - East Coast Bias is alive and well...
Good Luck to Slim and the Kingsmen...its been awile since you've been in the spot... time to return to the scene of the crime and finish the job that we left undone 19 years ago...
The newest Top 25 has been released and I must note that two teams from the West Region Linfield ranked 25 and Pacific Luth. ranked 21 did not get bids.
These two teams are considered by those voting to be amoung the best 25 teams in the country and yet could not make a 54 team field. I know I am beating a dead horse but did any other region have this happen? If someone could do the search I would like to know how many top 25 teams got left out and where were they from? If this happens then something is wrong no top 25 team should be left out. I have this bad feeling that the west region is getting hosed. ???
Quote from: TexasBB on May 14, 2009, 01:48:59 PM
The newest Top 25 has been released and I must note that two teams from the West Region Linfield ranked 25 and Pacific Luth. ranked 21 did not get bids.
These two teams are considered by those voting to be among the best 25 teams in the country and yet could not make a 54 team field. I know I am beating a dead horse but did any other region have this happen? If someone could do the search I would like to know how many top 25 teams got left out and where were they from? If this happens then something is wrong no top 25 team should be left out. I have this bad feeling that the west region is getting hosed. ???
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Do you have a link to the poll? I'd be interested to look at it and see how teams landed compared to the D3baseball.com poll.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2009, 02:35:55 PM
Do you have a link to the poll? I'd be interested to look at it and see how teams landed compared to the D3baseball.com poll.
http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2009/week-12
Quote from: TexasBB on May 14, 2009, 01:48:59 PM
The newest Top 25 has been released and I must note that two teams from the West Region Linfield ranked 25 and Pacific Luth. ranked 21 did not get bids.
These two teams are considered by those voting to be amoung the best 25 teams in the country and yet could not make a 54 team field. I know I am beating a dead horse but did any other region have this happen? If someone could do the search I would like to know how many top 25 teams got left out and where were they from? If this happens then something is wrong no top 25 team should be left out. I have this bad feeling that the west region is getting hosed. ???
Texas BB...
whatever you can do to keep UTT from adding football will be to your health?
Let me direct you to the Football boards for historical background.
What would you say if two Top 10 teams were perennially paired in the first round of the football playoffs?
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5306.0
We call those games the "Texas Sub-bracket" or "Bracket-gate". ;)
PP wins the opening game of the West regional 8-3 with a solid 8 inning performance by Colvin. He saves the bullpen, only requiring Kang to pitch the 9th. Hedman goes 3-4 with three singles, a walk and 2 RBI.
UT-Tyler's sports blog is following the regional action.
http://uttylerpatriots.blogspot.com/ (http://uttylerpatriots.blogspot.com/)
Good opening win for the Hens. From the box score, looks like Colvin was solid, and the offense did enough...though only 8 hits (3 a piece by Kang and Hedman)
The way this bracket is set up, not that much advantage for the higher seeds...it's not like #1 and #2 get a 1st rd bye.
Wonder if there was any thought of pitching someone else and saving Colvin for game 2. With the short duration of the series, it's not like there's a whole lot of difference between pitching on Thurs or Fri...either way, highly unlikely to come back and pitch on Saturday.
Chapman is up 14-1 after 4 innings. Guess what... Kitchens is back. The scary thought is that Chapman jumped out so fast that he only threw 2 innings. I bet he is back for game 3 or game 4. It's amazing how much just the presence of the guy can change the game. Of course I'm not saying the huge lead is because of him, but it's an interesting correlation.
Hmmmm, 16-2??? I really have nothing to say about that.
Like I said a week ago... the return of an all-american can work wonders for the confidence of a team.
As a big UTT fan I am totally embarrased! Our best most reliable pitcher picks today to lay an egg! I expected a pitchers duel instead our pitcher did not show up. But we did not burn the rest of our staff as Vilade put in 2nd level relief guys and saved the rest of the best. Still have Booher, Wolfe and Ziegler but now they must win to not only keep playing but save face for themeselves and the ASC. To go two and done would not bode well for the ASC. I am at a loss for an explanation. The same thing happend to this team against MC in UTTs second game but that was with Booher on the mound. Something like this has not happened to Holland this year so I don't know how the team will react. In the ASC tournament they sucked it up and won 3 straight incuding 3 in a row against MC after being runrulled in the second game. So they have come back before it is not out of their reach but they have dug a deep hole.
Plus the fact Chapman can flat out hit. So can PP! Can Cal Lu make it a California sweep? I have an idea that will really mess up D-Nuts' Madness pool bracket!
Oh come on!!!! This is not the time for the live-stats to not work!!!
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 14, 2009, 10:15:00 PM
Oh come on!!!! This is not the time for the live-stats to not work!!!
It has been that way in nearly every region today... I lost the Carthage live feed with a one run lead in the 9th with a runner on third...
No kidding, I thought it was my computer. JP, who you picking in the West?
The writeup on the Chapman game says that Kitchens left with an apparent injury...is that true, or was it just saving him for later?
Quote from: royhobbs on May 14, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
No kidding, I thought it was my computer. JP, who you picking in the West?
I got The winner of tonights game making a serious run at the title. I don't see Pomona having the pitching, same with Chapman.
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 14, 2009, 10:28:58 PM
The writeup on the Chapman game says that Kitchens left with an apparent injury...is that true, or was it just saving him for later?
Where are you seeing a writeup? The Chapman site still has it in the bottom of the 7th.
Can anyone update us on the CLU/George Fox game? No gametracker and no live audio.
It's getting dark out West, the Tree huggers unplugged the connection!
I just lost the stream with CLU leading 2-0 and GFU had one runner on second with 2 outs in the 9th. A fly ball was hit........ :o
Per the audio feed from GFox - KINGSMEN WIN!!!! 2-1... complete game by the lefty Gelber....we needed to get the first one under our belts, and now we have it... makes my trip down south a little more expensive with an extra nites stay but its all good for me!!!!
The family and I will be sporting the Graple tomorrow nite... I wouldnt be surprise if Kitchens gets the start either tomorrow or game 3... Kitchens owned CLU last time out... but with Gelber going the distance (no no thru 6+ it appears) saves the pitching...
that is a great Cal-Lu Cal-Lu!!!!
Thanks ludawg and welcome!
So Cal baseball is alive and well...great day for sciac and chapman
Interesting to see if Kitchens really did get hurt or if they are just saving him for another start. I don't see how a kid coming back from the DL and making starts on back to back days. I do however see him coming back on Sat. to start.
Interesting for both Chapman and Cal Lu tomorrow. It seems as if both guys set to start already faced each other this year (Roe/Sigman). Do they both throw someone else or not?
Writeups from the games from the Linfield Tourney site
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/ncaarecaps.php
UTT wins and gets to play tomorrow with a 5-3 comeback against Hendrix. UTT was trailing 3-0 going into the 8th but exploded for 5 runs on 9 hits in the top of the 8th. Tommy Rozzel got the win in relief of Blake Booher working 2 2/3 ds scoreless innings. UTT saved their ace closer Ziegler who has yet to make an appearance. I expect Wolfe to start game 3.
Hendrix' Jordan Suydam allowed 4 hits over the first 7 innings against UTT today. Then the flood gates opened.
Here is the Game Tracker.
http://www.ncaa.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbasebl.html?event=783677&school=ncaa&sport=mbasebl&camefrom=&startschool=&
Pomona's dug themselves a little bit of a hole...down 12-6 in the top of the 9th. Pitching has been a problem, obviously. 5 runs given up in the bottom of the 8th didn't help after closing the gap to 7-6.
Work cut out to advance now...
Final GFU 12, PP 6.
Chapman 7, CLU 6. Semel gets the win in relief. Josh Larson the loss.
They're baaaack
Wow Txbb and all you other Chapman haters. Weekest Chapman team in 10 years. Whats that mean SCIAC is not overpowered. They are still going to win the west. Why Baseball 101. Play Catch Throw Strikes and Situational Hitting. So Cal Baseball at it best . Dont let Hedman send you home. He wouldnt see a strike in the old days. Anybodys berth smart kids playing smart baseball. The West has the most parody in 10 years. Lots of baseball left my pick the team that makes the least errors. PP is very good the have the best player in the tournament. Not deep enough. CFU is as fundamental as anyone,Chapman just has more depth. Dont think any west team has the pitching to be National Champs. However lots of Chapman Seniors hope to get to there 4th National Championship. The big question is would you rather go to four or win one?,
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 16, 2009, 02:31:40 AM
Wow Txbb and all you other Chapman haters. Weekest Chapman team in 10 years. Whats that mean SCIAC is not overpowered. They are still going to win the west. Why Baseball 101. Play Catch Throw Strikes and Situational Hitting. So Cal Baseball at it best . Dont let Hedman send you home. He wouldnt see a strike in the old days. Anybodys berth smart kids playing smart baseball. The West has the most parody in 10 years. Lots of baseball left my pick the team that makes the least errors. PP is very good the have the best player in the tournament. Not deep enough. CFU is as fundamental as anyone,Chapman just has more depth. Dont think any west team has the pitching to be National Champs. However lots of Chapman Seniors hope to get to there 4th National Championship. The big question is would you rather go to four or win one?,
Win one, obviously. Would you rather go to twenty or win one--same answer.
Cal Lu vs Chapman Game
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/stats/bb/cluchp.htm
Saturday Games
SATURDAY, MAY 16
7 Pomona-Pitzer vs. Cal Lutheran Noon
8 George Fox vs. Texas-Tyler 3:30 p.m.
9 Chapman vs. Pomona/Cal Lutheran winner 7 p.m.
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/ncaaregionals.php
Inside info...Kitchens is done for the season. Something wrong with a tendon in his bicep on his throwing arm.
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 16, 2009, 11:48:19 AM
Inside info...Kitchens is done for the season. Something wrong with a tendon in his bicep on his throwing arm.
If that be the case, then he worked his magic in the Panthers' minds for the UTT game.
That first game onslaught was like the Chapman that we have seen before.
Chapman might hold on for the trip to Wisconsin. This should be a great game, going the full 11.
was at the game last night and both teams hit the ball very well... I don't really remember hitting the ball that hard 18 years ago but I guess when you use the "new technology" bats, you can hit just about anything hard... it was a very tightly contested game...even quite enjoyable with the exception of the 1B ump starring as your local language and sportsmanship officer - what a joke... he worked really hard to control the game on his own...
Other memorable highlites -
First batter of the day goes to CF wall, stretches it out to a triple... next up double down the like... next up, iden has 3b stolen EASILY, but OTT just hit a laser to left ceter... ball caught, Iden was 1/2 home at that point - double play...
Oh, and after the first hitter goes to the wall, either the CU coach or 3b ump wants the bat looked at - CORKED??? hey guys, these are metal bats - all are juiced...
There never was any big inning... but many chances for each team
Chapman pitcher was in love with the pickoff move... no matter if it was 1st, 2nd or 3rd....
Ott goes big fly and Hartman get dosed the next pitch - and no warnings....
Next time up Ott gets dosed on a curveball - and no warnings
1b Ump decides to throw a warning to the Champan 2b for chipping at the runner on 2nd, that was after he gave a warning to CLU bench for ragging - again 1b Ump trying to run the game
not to show my colors BUT - the chapman bench was riding Rowe quite hard, just as hard as CLU was riding the chapman pitcher- and the kid showed solid balls to ride thru it....felt Chapman should have gotten a "warning" as well but since they were on the 3B side, I guess it wasn't heard by Mr. Powertrip
CLU throws two runners out at the plate - one on a relay from LF-3b-C - and it wasn't like it was a shot to the wall...
Chapman 2nd pitcher could bring it - was fun to watch him vs Ott and Hartman...
Three Nicks - combined for the tieing 6th run in the 7th...
Chapman didn't have the "big hitter" like Ott or Hartman... but they did hit the ball well....
in the stands it was much fun... nice to see the CLU parents and faithful... nice to get to root for my alma mater in person afte 18 years... Love the passion of the college game - even from the stands...
Note to self - when you are at a CU-CLU game, make sure to wear your graple shirt and stand right by the CU dugout and try and pick their signs - give me a break - whom ever you were dude who confronted me for standing there watching the game - my wife and kids really appreciate the fact that I waited for them to come back from the bathroom - or were they really my family??? maybe they were actors hired by CLU so I could in fact attempt to seal signs from the CU dugout....
Am really looking forward to todays game.... going to hopefully change hotels and get closer... staying in NewBerg and still is a bit of a drive away... and with the UFO crap, need to leave here by 10 to make sure we make the game by noon.... and to PP fans.... no, the family will not be with me for this game... thus, I will have to try other ways to lurk around YOUR dugout...
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 16, 2009, 11:48:19 AM
Inside info...Kitchens is done for the season. Something wrong with a tendon in his bicep on his throwing arm.
I have inside info as well...dont assume. You know what happens when you assume.
Won't matter either way, it'll be a slugfest. Even if Kitchen's over the pectoral injury, his innings will be limited. But if they get to the ninth, maybe he can close the door. Can't underestimate Coach T.
There are no live stats links available for any of the West Region games on the daily scoreboard. Do they become available as the game time nears?
DD
Live Stats here once the games start:
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/ncaaregionals.php
thanks cat fan
DD
Let's wait to get an official word on Kitchens before we post anything on this board. I would hate to see his future affected by rumors if it is not true.
PP in the midst of a 6-run third inning, now up on CLU 6-1. Mandelblatt on the hill...
Now 10-1 after a Hedman grand-slam. Maybe think about pulling Mandelblatt if you think he may be able to help you tomorrow.
Maybe in a few innings, but it's still to early. Their first priority is to make it to the next game tonight. We are off to a great start in this one!
10-2, going to the bottom of the 7th. At this point, you want Mandelblatt to go the distance to save your bullpen.
If the score holds, who goes tonight? Church? It'll be tough for sure, but a win tonight would put the Hens in great shape, playing a winner-take-all game tomorrow, maybe with Colvin on the hill.
Final PP 16, CLU 4. Mandelblatt gets the win, pitching 8 innings, Fogarty gets the side out in the 9th for the Sagehens.
CLU is eliminated.
Great job by Mandelblat today. Tough 3rd inning for Cal Lu. Tonight should be interesting...
GFU 6, UTT 3 after 3. Sparks has relieved Wolfe for UTT.
GFU 8, UTT 4.
Ziegler on the mound for UTT in the top of the 7th.
UTT is down to their last 9 outs, trailing 8-4.
Looks like UTT seasons comes to an end :(
It's now gone final GF 10 UTT 4...
Not a good outing for Wolfe and Ziegler and the bats weren't so hot...
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/stats/bb/gfuutt.htm
Final GFU 10, UTT 4.
UTT went 4 for 30 (.133) vs. Chapman, 10-35 (.286) vs. Hendrix Including 5 runs in the 8th), 7-31 (.226) vs GFU, and 21-96 (.219) on the series.
UTT's bats went cold, altho' that was noted in the regional previews earlier in the week, when Jim Dixon noted that McMurry held UTT to a .253 BA.
Either UTT saw pitching that they usually don't see in the ASC, or they were just cold.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2009, 10:02:28 PM
Final GFU 10, UTT 4.
UTT went 4 for 30 (.133) vs. Chapman, 10-35 (.286) vs. Hendrix Including 5 runs in the 8th), 7-31 (.226) vs GFU, and 21-96 (.219) on the series.
UTT's bats went cold, altho' that was noted in the regional previews earlier in the week, when Jim Dixon noted that McMurry held UTT to a .253 BA.
Either UTT saw pitching that they usually don't see in the ASC, or they were just cold.
I'd like to think it was the latter, but I haven't seen any of thes west team personally. I'm of the opinion that the ASC has strong successful pitching - at least this is true for the top teams within the conference. Sad to see them exit :(
UTT looses 10-4. A banged up team without two of their best hitters in the lineup but no excuses they gave up 16 hits and Wolfe was wacked around. In their two loses to Chapman and Greorge Fox, the pitching staff gave up a total of 40 hits and 26 runs. No way you win with that kind of pitching. Holland and Wolfe did not give their teams a chance as neither of them made it to the third inning. In big games your stars have to step up they did not. Even Ziegler was shakey giving up 2 runs on 4 hits in 2 innings worked. Sparks did well in relief of Wolfe but they were aready down early. Without Hood and Towns in the lineup the team did not have the punch it needed if it fell behind. Well they graduate 14 seniors and next year will be a rebuilding year for the Patriots. They loose almost their entire pitching staff: Holland, Booher, Wolfe, Rozell, Cambell and Ziegler. Plus Towns, Hood, Harding, Fox and Lemire not much to build on. It will be some other teams chance to get the ASC to the nationals next year. A good run for these seniors though they won or shared in 3 straigt East Division titles including that increadible 37-1 season two years ago when they were sophmores. I know they thought they had the team to go to nationals this year with what looked like a deap pitching staff and solid hitting and defense. The played with a lot of heart comming back time after time but they fell short. At least they did not go out 0-2 but still they must be dissapointed as they fell short of their goal. Never the less congratulations on winning 39 games this year the most that any team from UTT has ever won.
Quote from: Dawgsdad on May 16, 2009, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2009, 10:02:28 PM
Final GFU 10, UTT 4.
UTT went 4 for 30 (.133) vs. Chapman, 10-35 (.286) vs. Hendrix Including 5 runs in the 8th), 7-31 (.226) vs GFU, and 21-96 (.219) on the series.
UTT's bats went cold, altho' that was noted in the regional previews earlier in the week, when Jim Dixon noted that McMurry held UTT to a .253 BA.
Either UTT saw pitching that they usually don't see in the ASC, or they were just cold.
I'd like to think it was the ladder, but I have seen any of thes west team personally. I'm of the opinion that the ASC has strong successful pitching - at least this is true for the top teams within the conference. Sad to see them exit :(
The best results that we have had have been the TLU teams from the mid-decade. CTX had great pitching in 2002, but that was back when some of the current players were in junior high!
2003 Mississippi College (http://www.odaconline.com/div3base/2003/central2003.htm) team went 2-2 in the Central Regionals.
Chapman - UTT box score
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/stats/bb/chputt.htm
Hendrix - UTT box score
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/stats/bb/utthen.htm
GFU - UTT box score
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/stats/bb/gfuutt.htm
Hood and Townes played to some degree in all three games.
MISCELLANEOUS
GAMES 49 Mississippi College [34-15] ... 2003
49 Texas Lutheran [35-13-1] ... 2006
SEASON WINS 37 Texas Lutheran [37-6] ... 2003
37 Texas-Tyler [37-1]...2007
WINNING PCT. . 974 Texas-Tyler [37-1] ... 2007
Here are records for wins in the ASC before 2009..
Tyler goes 38-12 this seaon.
In the top of the 7th, PP had the bases loaded with no outs. Mandelblatt flew out to RF and Fredrick ground into a DP.
Bottom of the 7th, 5-1 Chapman.
PP scored 1 in the top of the 8th. Semel relieved Irsfeld for the third out.
Chapman leads going to 9th, 5-2.
Mandelblatt, Fredrick and Silva up for PP.
Mandelblatt singles, Fredrick K's, Silva hits into a 5-4-3 DP
FINAL Chapman 5 PP 2; PP eliminated.
unbelievable If you watched these guys all year you wouldnt believe it.
Quote from: diviiibbjunkie on May 17, 2009, 01:46:21 AM
unbelievable If you watched these guys all year you wouldnt believe it.
I saw these guys in Abilene in February. They swept McMurry for the first time ever.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2009, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on May 16, 2009, 11:48:19 AM
Inside info...Kitchens is done for the season. Something wrong with a tendon in his bicep on his throwing arm.
If that be the case, then he [Kitchens] worked his magic in the Panthers' minds for the UTT game.
That first game onslaught was like the Chapman that we have seen before.
Chapman might hold on for the trip to Wisconsin. This should be a great game, going the full 11.
What did the great Yogi say?
"
Ninety percent of the game is half mental." (http://www.nj.gov/hangout_nj/200312_yogi_berra_p3.html)
;)
Got to watch the whole tournament and all I can say is that im proud of the sagecocks for an outstanding season. by the numbers, easily the best season in the program's history and did a lot to put the school(s) on the map. Unfortunately, ran in to some good teams and im sure the nwc teams can attest to the difficulty of beating a team 4 times in a year (PP ends up 3-1 vs chapman, but chapman did it when it mattered most). tonight the cocks hit the ball well, just right at guys and couldn't quite get the clutch hit when they really needed it.
Overall though, without a doubt the best team chemistry i have ever seen on an athletic field. each one of those men see the others as their brothers and they play the game the way its meant to be played. if you watch them during from batting practice through the end of the game, its tough to imagine a team that enjoys being on the field more than they do. Incredible team, too bad it had to end. Hats off to chapman, they showed why they are considered one of the best teams in the country. Whether the panthers or GFU represents the west in appleton, im sure they will do us all proud.
And with that ends the posting career of P-P fan. I will continue watching the d3 scene, but a little more quietly.
COMPETE.
Thanks for the update P-P Fan. Tough way to end a pretty remarkable year for P-P. Historically, pitching depth has been the main issue in getting past regionals, going back to the Cortez teams that dominated SCIAC for a couple of years.
This year, it looked like the pitching was fine, with the possible exception of the George Fox game, just weren't able to put the runs up when they were needed most. Seems like a lot of LOB throughout the weekend. Not scoring with the bases loaded, none out in the 7th against Chapman must have been a tough pill to swallow. This Chapman teams knows how to win in post-season...
It's too bad, a win last night would have put the Hens in really good shape going into today.
There is live feed for the George Fox-Chapman game at George Fox's website
GFU beat Chapman 5-4 in the bottom of the 10th inning.
Wyckoff singles to RF, gets to second on a wild pitch, SAC Bunt by Thunell to third and home on a SAC FLY to RF by Anderson
Chapman wins, 7-4.
THERE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHAPMAN WINS GOING TO APPLETON
Quote from: chakote on May 17, 2009, 09:15:33 PM
THERE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHAPMAN WINS GOING TO APPLETON
THE COURAGE TO CONTINUE IS WHAT COUNTS
Without there #1 it was a team effort and what a great ride I am going to miss you!!!
Great job Chapman. Its 3 for 3 for us Chakote, but we have one more year. Chapman is awesome!
Quote from: chakote on May 17, 2009, 09:15:33 PM
THERE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHAPMAN WINS GOING TO APPLETON
The Nickel awaits your patronage.
I apologize for not posting last night - couldn't get the wifi to work on the laptop in the new hotel... however... first off - congrats to Chapman... that is one of the great things about college baseball - "lower seeded teams" sometime come out on top (see Fresno State - CWS 2008)... a few comments on the PP-CLU game...
My Kingmen appeared a step slow... and it showed - especially after a 10-spot in the 3rd...
Hedman came as advertised... the guy can rake - hit the ball on the screws each time... (maybe we should have checked his bat??? - LOL)...
As always happens in college baseball - once you get into a bullpen you have a better shot at things... not that our pen was bad - just, again, a step slow it seemed...
I don't really understand why PP fans don't wear shoes???
It was great to reconnect with old friends and meet new ones - some will be rooting me and their sons on as teammates in next years CLU alumni game - a big one for old ones like me - I hope you will root as passionate about this 40yr old has been as you will for your own kids next year...
And thank you to the Chapman fan whom I spoke with during the game - take some big figs to come up like you did and I respect you bigtime for that... like I said - I am all about the passion of the game - which speaks volumes for rivalries such as we saw... no harm no foul - its all good...
And - great job to George fox - have to say that I was rooting for them to win... moreso for PLU's sake than anything... I have spent over35yrs up here and still the NW region gets no respect for our baseball - "how can you play up there - it rains all the time" its not like GFU won the title and OSU won in Omaha two years in a row.... I feel that PLU got jobbed for not getting into the tourney... and,personally, as a casualty of a "vote" for not making the playoffs way back when, there is always a place in my heart for the "non-popuular" teams that dont make it (BCS bids, etc)... PLU deserved to be there...
Will be watching the tourney on line as best I can from work... will get back on this next season.... and mabybe somebody can "Blog" the CLU alumni game when some hungover, overweight, "has been" tries to relive it - one last time....
Ludawg6
Great job CHAPMAN PANTHERS......9th trip to APPLETON in 12 years.
You did what seem to be the impossible overcoming injuries, a roller coaster
season with great wins and some bad losses...most doubted that Chapman would even make the playoffs and even more wonder why you were there
and nobody thought you would win the region.
You believed in yourselves and played like a true team with contributions by everyone on the team to overcome all the roadblocks to win the region. You beat some great teams in the region who fought you hard every inning and you came out on top.
Seniors enjoy your 4th consecutive trip and now more lifetime memories.
Coach T, Coach Edwards, Coach K. who did their best coaching job this year with the challenges they had.
Hats off to to Linfield for hosting a outstanding tournament including the balcony crowd from Linfield who cheered the Panthers on. Thanks to the weather gods for some beautiful weather.
Texas-Tyler, Cal Lu, Pomona, Hendrix and George Fox. Chapman played you all this year and you have outstanding teams with players that play baseball hard and the right way. It was pleasure to watch these games with your outstanding teams. fans, and coaches.
And to the Chapman fans and parents...who travel everywhere to watch this team...We are blessed with watching these team accomplish things we can not believe. Now time to make our way to APPLETON and the WOODEN NICKEL....
Do you believe in miracles.....I DO and so do the 2009 WEST REGION CHAMPION CHAPMAN PANTHERS
In my view, it is almost an upset in the West Region if Chapman does not get to Wisconsin.
As I have posted many times before, the talent base from which Chapman recruits in Orange County, the Inland Empire and the San Diego area/Southern CA. is certainly the top pool of talent in the Country. When you combine that with the relatively small number of DI and DII programs, that increases their pool even more.
I would also think the new DI transfer rules will help them even more(Vass would be an example.)
To use Trinity as one comparative example, they have to recruit nationally, their talent pool is thin because of the academic standards now in place, and, unfortunately, a substantial portion of the financial aid at Trinity is merit based, not need based. With that said, I think they have top skill players/pitchers on par with Chapman. TU does not have the depth of talent.
UT Tyler is another interesting comparison.
While they can recruit baseball rich Texas, Tyler, TX isn't Orange CA.
Also, UTT needs to recruit where there are numerous DI programs, even more DII's and NAIA's and at least as many, if not more JC's which can offer scholarships.
This isn't to say anything negative about Chapman. They still need to identify the talent, recruit the talent, coach the talent and the talent needs to produce. But we cannot lose sight of the obvious: Chapman has an abundance of talent from which to recruit.
It is a different situation trying to compete with Chapman when coaches are recruiting kids to Conway, Ark.(Hendrix) and/or with the academic/financial limitations at a school like Trinity. They will get kids, some really good ones. I just don't think they can get as many.
If there was ever evidence that the depth of talent at Chapman is a key difference in the West Region, this year has to be proof.
Quote from: infielddad on May 18, 2009, 12:19:13 PM
In my view, it is almost an upset in the West Region if Chapman does not get to Wisconsin.
As I have posted many times before, the talent base from which Chapman recruits in Orange County, the Inland Empire and the San Diego area/Southern CA. is certainly the top pool of talent in the Country. When you combine that with the relatively small number of DI and DII programs, that increases their pool even more.
I would also think the new DI transfer rules will help them even more(Vass would be an example.)
To use Trinity as one comparative example, they have to recruit nationally, their talent pool is thin because of the academic standards now in place, and, unfortunately, a substantial portion of the financial aid at Trinity is merit based, not need based. With that said, I think they have top skill players/pitchers on par with Chapman. TU does not have the depth of talent.
UT Tyler is another interesting comparison.
While they can recruit baseball rich Texas, Tyler, TX isn't Orange CA.
Also, UTT needs to recruit where there are numerous DI programs, even more DII's and NAIA's and at least as many, if not more JC's which can offer scholarships.
This isn't to say anything negative about Chapman. They still need to identify the talent, recruit the talent, coach the talent and the talent needs to produce. But we cannot lose sight of the obvious: Chapman has an abundance of talent from which to recruit.
It is a different situation trying to compete with Chapman when coaches are recruiting kids to Conway, Ark.(Hendrix) and/or with the academic/financial limitations at a school like Trinity. They will get kids, some really good ones. I just don't think they can get as many.
If there was ever evidence that the depth of talent at Chapman is a key difference in the West Region, this year has to be proof.
Respectfully, I am missing your point on recruiting in areas that are heavy with scholarship schools.
The last count that I had was 18 D-1's, 10 D-II's, 10 scholarship NAIA's and almost 40 scholarship JUCO's in Texas.
Thanks. :)
Just curious to see how well the regional was hosted by Linfield? Good? Bad? Can people see Linfield hosting another regional down the road?
Ralph,
You made the point I intended and did it much better. While Texas is talent rich, it isn't concentrated like it is in Southern CA. where Chapman is located.
On top of that, schools like UT-T are competing against the large number of DI, DII, NAIA and JC schools.
Chapman doesn't have anything near that number or level of DI, DII, NAIA or JC schools in their available talent pool.
infield dad, you're way off base on your comments about Chapman not having to compete for the talent like UTT does. It's a compliment to Coach T, and some of the other SoCal D3 coaches that they are able to get some of these players. Chapman does not have the depth they've enjoyed in the past, they just win when they have to. The ASC needs to quit making excuses about injuries, long season, etc. All the teams are banged up, and Chapman won the Regional with their All American Ace only throwing 2 innings. If he's ready for Appleton, that would be a huge lift for thr Panthers.
Linfield did a superb job of hosting. Great facility, great atmosphere, it looked the Linfield coaching staff was always hustling around. I would give it to them year after year given their performance in this regional.
Quote from: royhobbs on May 18, 2009, 12:56:50 PM
infield dad, you're way off base on your comments about Chapman not having to compete for the talent like UTT does. It's a compliment to Coach T, and some of the other SoCal D3 coaches that they are able to get some of these players. Chapman does not have the depth they've enjoyed in the past, they just win when they have to. The ASC needs to quit making excuses about injuries, long season, etc. All the teams are banged up, and Chapman won the Regional with their All American Ace only throwing 2 innings. If he's ready for Appleton, that would be a huge lift for thr Panthers.
roy, I am pretty familiar with the talent base in Southern CA and also in Texas.
As I said, my comments are not in any way a criticism of Chapman or an excuse for any other school.
I am sure there are some coaching staffs who would not win at Chapman. I am sure the coaching staff at Chapman would win at other schools.
My comments related to the depth of the talent base that Chapman has available to it throughout Southern CA., that is not accessible to the programs in Texas, and the Northwest or Northern CA.
Over the past 5 years, I think the only Chapman player to see any innings, who was from outside Southern CA, was Cavan. He got there because Trinity was the only school to recruit him, that got him exposure to Chapman, and he couldn't surf in TX.
Whether everyone accepts it or not, Southern CA has very few DI's and even fewer DII's when you consider the vast numbers of top quality players.
Chapman does a very good job of finding the players.
USD, USC, UCLA, Fullerton, Irvine, LBSU and Loyola might recruit 60-80 players per year. Many of those come from the JC ranks.
There are 20 times that many players in Southern CA that are accessible to Chapman. There isn't another area in the West Region that has that abundance.
I know at Trinity and probably every SCAC program they could never, ever get a kid like Voss as a senior transfer.
It isn't an excuse, it is a fact, though
As I have said before, no one should be surprised when
Chapman wins the West. When you look at rosters, from top to bottom, there are none equal or better to Chapman when you get past first 7-8 guys.
With the way that Chapman performed in the Regionals, it will not surprise me if they have a stellar finish.
We have 16 D3's in Texas, so that is a concentration of schools for the state, but it is not much worse than other places around the country such as North Carolina and Virginia on a per capita basis.
Chapman has built a winner, and the players know it! I think that Chapman gets that extra player that makes the difference every year, like a Nick Cavan, or a Kurt Yacko or a John Semel.
(Now all I want Chapman to add is video, so I can watch games late at night after the McMurry game is over. ;) )
As for southern California, everyone recruits southern California, and JUCO's go all over the country.
The good thing for the ASC is that now UTT knows what it takes.
IF chapman gets past Schuld, they are looking at the winner's bracket championship game dead in the face.
There is no way Farmingdale or Shenandoah beats them.....no way
There are a number of NAIA schools in SoCal that play in the GSAC conference that are partial scholarship. Not a ton, but some.
For a program like Pomona-Pitzer, the name/academic reputation of the schools (especially Pomona) means that it can recruit nationally. At the same time, it also limits the potential pool of recruits. My experience is that the recruit pool has some overlap with the Ivies (non scholarship), D3 programs like Williams/Amherst/Trinity/Emory/Wash U, as well as some kids who might be a walkon or preferred walkon at a UCLA, Stanford, etc.
I recruited for an NAIA in SOCAL for a few years and it is hard work. Even with scholarships to offer, we would lose guys to Pomona, Chapman, Cal Lu, etc... and to schools like UCI and UCLA that simply made one call to a kid and our months of relationship building with him was gone.
It is a cut-throat business in which many, many shady characters live. Beware of schools that promise your kid anything more than a chance to compete for a spot. I lost many shortstops over the years to a certain school that often recruited 4-5 "starting shortstops." Many of these kids ened up unhappy and bounced back to JCs or called me looking to transfer when I no longer had and scholarship money to give. It is a sad, sad world when coaches mess with a kid's academic future in an attempt to win more ball games. Kudos to those who do it right.
Quote from: infielddad on May 18, 2009, 02:26:01 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 18, 2009, 12:56:50 PM
infield dad, you're way off base on your comments about Chapman not having to compete for the talent like UTT does. It's a compliment to Coach T, and some of the other SoCal D3 coaches that they are able to get some of these players. Chapman does not have the depth they've enjoyed in the past, they just win when they have to. The ASC needs to quit making excuses about injuries, long season, etc. All the teams are banged up, and Chapman won the Regional with their All American Ace only throwing 2 innings. If he's ready for Appleton, that would be a huge lift for thr Panthers.
roy, I am pretty familiar with the talent base in Southern CA and also in Texas.
As I said, my comments are not in any way a criticism of Chapman or an excuse for any other school.
I am sure there are some coaching staffs who would not win at Chapman. I am sure the coaching staff at Chapman would win at other schools.
My comments related to the depth of the talent base that Chapman has available to it throughout Southern CA., that is not accessible to the programs in Texas, and the Northwest or Northern CA.
Over the past 5 years, I think the only Chapman player to see any innings, who was from outside Southern CA, was Cavan. He got there because Trinity was the only school to recruit him, that got him exposure to Chapman, and he couldn't surf in TX.
Whether everyone accepts it or not, Southern CA has very few DI's and even fewer DII's when you consider the vast numbers of top quality players.
Chapman does a very good job of finding the players.
USD, USC, UCLA, Fullerton, Irvine, LBSU and Loyola might recruit 60-80 players per year. Many of those come from the JC ranks.
There are 20 times that many players in Southern CA that are accessible to Chapman. There isn't another area in the West Region that has that abundance.
I know at Trinity and probably every SCAC program they could never, ever get a kid like Voss as a senior transfer.
It isn't an excuse, it is a fact, though
As I have said before, no one should be surprised when
Chapman wins the West. When you look at rosters, from top to bottom, there are none equal or better to Chapman when you get past first 7-8 guys.
POSTED LAST WEEK BY HALLEBASEBALL
Weakest Chapman team in 10 years. What that means is SCIAC is not overpowered. They are still going to win the west. Why Baseball 101. Play Catch Throw Strikes and Situational Hitting. So Cal Baseball at its best . Don't let Hedman send you home. He wouldn't see a strike in the old days. Anybodys berth. Smart kids playing smart baseball. The West has the most parody in 10 years. Lots of baseball left my pick the team that makes the least errors. PP is very good the have the best player in the tournament. Not deep enough. GFU is as fundamental as anyone,Chapman just has more depth. Dont think any west team has the pitching to be National Champs. However lots of Chapman Seniors hope to get to there 4th National Championship. The big question is would you rather go to four or win one?,
Hey but what do i know.
Can only speak from 9 years of Chapman Baseball.
Your SO wrong about the Chapman benefits of west coast recruiting. What really happends is this.
Every elite So Cal High School Ball player wants to play D1 baseball in California. Cali D1 Schools get all Cali Blue Chip High School Players. Second tier Blue Chip player go outside the state to play D1 for many reasons. Blue chip players without GRADES play at the local top six JC's. Then with grade in JC They will sign with out of state D1 If they get passed up by all Cali D1 schools and Out of state D1 schools Next they might have the opportunity to get a Athletic Scholarship at one of the top NAIA powerhouses looking to get drafted sometimes 8 or 9 can get drafted, it's happened. Or if not picked out of JC they seek D2 for may reasons mostly ego. So if a elite High Player if not found a home and he has grades he then seeks or gets a call from Chapman.
Chapman attracts kids with Grades and were top players many All CIF players ,that hit right handed and are under 6 feet tall. Kids that love the game and have been taught the game the way It should be played. What sets them apart from alot of programs is execution. No super stars they just get better with some great coaching.
Chapman will get even better when some of those D1 players make a better chioce out of high school Many players I coached made D1 choices as and regreat ther choice only to be looking behind there shoulder every year for that new Blue Chippers . Some never getting 50 at bats in there four year College Career.
Chapman Baseball is a Pack of some well coached Baseball Smart Players.
PLAY IN CALIFORNIA .WIN. GO TO THE WORLD SERIES EVERY YEAr. Hey North East we would love to see you at Chapman.
Halle,
I think you just posted what I posted.
Geez, I am complimenting the Chapman players/program and they don't seem to want to accept the compliments. If you want to call them 3rd tier, well fine.
The fact is they are 3rd tier in Southern CA so they are very high quality players every place else. They are well coached. They know how to play the game. They play the game at a very high level before they get to Chapman. As I said before, Chapman is better than every program in the West after you get past the top tier of 5-7 players.
The academic aspects are also a nice draw but getting into Chapman and getting into Pomona Pitzer or Trinity, Tx. are not the same. PP and TU are required to recruit nationally to get a pool of players at the academic level and talent level to compete.
As I posted before, Cavan is the only player from outside Southern Ca to make any significant contribution at Chapman and he came because Trinity found him in Northern CA and he couldn't surf in TX. Sothern California is a huge hotbed of talent. When Evan Longoria doesn't get a look out of high school, you know it is a hotbed that does not exist any place else.
The Chapman coaches do a great job of getting terrific players and their roster is filled with them.
No other West Region program can do that and not drive more than 60 miles from their campus.
Most D3 programs are usually made up of undersized players, and what sets the good teams apart is good coaching and the ability to execute.
There is also no denying that california, along with texas, are two of the primary hotbeds for talent. This goes for many outdoor sports including soccer and football. For obvious geographic reasons it is easier to develop skills in warm weather for those sports.
Chapman has proven to be the best D3 team in SOCAL in recent years which, with proper recruiting, will allow them to get players before other D3 schools. The advantage of being located in a place like southern california is being able to find the players that slip through the scouting of a D1. In a place packed with talent, the odds of recruiting a kid who might of had a chance to play d1 goes way up. This obviously also has to do with good scouting and the ability to recognize good talent, which is vital for any program. IMO this is often demonstrated with pitching. A pitcher like Kitchens could most definitely have pitched at some division 1 school. I do not know his recruiting history, but I think that a pitcher of his quality is an example of someone who could have slipped through the cracks and been overlooked by a d1 school. In a place that is packed with talent this is more likely to happen.
Plain and simple I think that there is no denying that location makes a huge difference on a schools ability to recruit talent.
That being said you still have to play the game..
Infield Dad
Just my thoughts. No harm No foul. I respect you and you passion. Like you no son playing D3 baseball I too have Baseball Passion like you. Other out of staters John Alexander (WA) Atlanta Braves, Kyle Johnson (WA) New York Mets,Brian Brubaker (CO), Tyler Dean (OR) Not including this years RHP Levite spellcheck also from North West. Coach T has earned this Baseball Junkies respect and is truly responable for getting the best out of this year.
I remember coaching in Club Ball and saying I would win a few games as I out coached the competion ( no braging intended} I saw him win a couple games by nothing more then out coaching the other team. I think he did that at Linfield by not Letting the Best hitter beat him. I belive I watched or read Hedman win games by the other team letting him beat them.
Continue to be active on this board as you are why after My son completed his College Baseball I still read this board.
Love You Man
Allan Hallenbeck
Ok I see what you are saying. Chapman get's some kids that had a chance to compete D1. My son saw the writing on the wall Irvine 4 left handed hitting MIF. He went where he could play and get the Best Scholarship Money. What a great choice he made.
There goes that pariah of the SCIAC Chapman again. Good luck.
I can't figure out how Cal State Fullerton does what it does and now I have U Cal Irvine in the mix. Chapman is right there 4-5 miles from each.
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 19, 2009, 03:11:45 AM
Infield Dad
Just my thoughts. No harm No foul. I respect you and you passion. Like you no son playing D3 baseball I too have Baseball Passion like you. Other out of staters John Alexander (WA) Atlanta Braves, Kyle Johnson (WA) New York Mets,Brian Brubaker (CO), Tyler Dean (OR) Not including this years RHP Levite spellcheck also from North West. Coach T has earned this Baseball Junkies respect and is truly responable for getting the best out of this year.
Hmm, better go back an check the roster. This year's pitcher Levitt is actually a LHP from SoCal. Not a RHP fromthe NW.
My mistake player Matt Insfield rhp Eugene Or 90+ =watch this kid the scouts are possible 2009 free agent signee or late round draft pick
Hey but what do I know
I could not stand the mis-understanding of the college baseball players from Southern California.
1. Not every player wants to play for a D-1 school.
2. Not every player want to play for a D-2 school.
3. Not every player has the talent or size to play for a D-1 or 2 school.
4. You are not allowed to "recruit" in D-3 baseball.
5. There are no athletic scholarships allowed in D-3 baseball. (maybe they are being given for academic pursuits????)
The NAIA and Independent teams recruit and provide scholarship assistance. (ie Chapman) and that is why they are not in a conference - they refuse to give that advantage up. The Chapman program used to play a D-2 schedule which allows recruiting and scholarships, but they are not now.
Teams that are having a higher and higher % of players as transfers from community colleges and other D-1/D-2 schools are doing so by lowering their academic standards.
Some of the "players" on this message board do not realize the academic and extra-activity requirements to get into some of these academic schools like Pomona, CMS and yes Cal Tech. How many of the players from these other schools go on to doctoral, engineering, medical or other post-graduate programs??? These schools do not recruit (because they are not allowed to) from all over the US, but players that can qualify academically to get into the school from all over the US also have an opportunity to play on these competitive teams. If a player can qualify for a team from a regular level of academic requirements why come to California when 2/3 of the D-3 schools are east of the Mississippi? Why not go to a D-1 or 2 in the midwest that love the "warm weather" players - they have the scholarship and recruiting possibilities also??
The teams (UC Irvine, San Diego, UCLA), Cal State teams(Fullerton, Long Beach, Dominguez Hills, Los Angeles, San Diego, Bakersfield, San Luis Obispo, San Marcos)
Private University teams (USC) and others are able to grow their programs because they can seek and accept more and more out of state players, more transfer students, provide scholarship assistance and other perks that the D-3 schools cannot. It is often that the active recruiting process will provide promises that provide a "tryout" in the fall workouts, only to find the player "cut" from the program as the season workouts ramp up at the beginning of the year. There are only about 25-30 D-3 level schools in all of California (including NCAA, NAIA and Independents)
It has been said that Chapman and the NAIA has superior recruiting ---- they just have recruiting that the other NCAA D-3 schools are not allowed to have...........
I wish the Chapman players luck (it does come with hard work) in representing the western region in Wisconsin !!!
Season over...........
Allan,
Thank you for the nice post. Even though my son isn't able to play any longer, it was really fun to take a trip to San Antonio, see the Millsaps series, the Notre Dame game, get reacquainted with Coach Page and Coach McCain at Millsaps and spend time with the entire TU coaching staff and their families.
I hope my post didn't make it sound like it is easy for Chapman. As Big Poppa pointed out, college recruiting is very hard work and can result in an awful lot of disappointments along the way...for coaches and potential players alike.
The talent pool in Southern CA is just amazing. With that said, you still need to recruit the players and get them to play at a high level and Chapman does it year in and year out. Trinity seems to get there every other year, and it is getting harder as the admissions standards continue to escalate.
The really good thing is we would not be having the discussions about how good these programs are if they didn't have some of the best coaches in college baseball...not just DIII.
Good luck in Appleton and lets make the West look as good as we have all been posting.
On a different note, LAMike, most all of your information/impressions about recruiting at the DIII level are not accurate, either about Chapman or the other DIII's. Some of your impressions only lead to more "mis-understandings."
In about 45 days or so I will be at the Stanford Camp, trying to keep a large contingent of DIII coaches from schools you have listed as ones which cannot recruit away from guys the Trinity coaching staff does try to recruit. ;D
In fact, there will be upwards of 25 or so DIII coaches from top academic colleges/universities around the U.S. at that Camp and they will all be scouting and recruiting to try and compete with Chapman, which has substantially more talent in its own neighborhood.
Quote from: LA Mike on May 19, 2009, 05:39:15 PM
The NAIA and Independent teams recruit and provide scholarship assistance. (ie Chapman) and that is why they are not in a conference - they refuse to give that advantage up. The Chapman program used to play a D-2 schedule which allows recruiting and scholarships, but they are not now.
LA Mike,
Obviously you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Everyone looks at Chapman's Baseball program and says "look how great they are, they're so lucky to be an independent." Chapman's athletic department tries, in vein, every year to get into the SCIAC. Chapman has self-imposed all of the same rules and regulations the SCIAC has in order to show they are on a level playing ground with them in an attempt to gain admittance, and it doesn't work. The baseball program may have benefitted this year from getting a pool B bid into the playoffs, but I guarantee you Chapman would join the SCIAC in a heartbeat if they were given the opportunity. The only difference between Chapman and most of the SCIAC is the academic standards, and the standards have gone up dramatically at Chapman over the last 10 years. Were not talking about some state school that has no admissions standards. It has become increasingly difficult even for Chapman to recruit talented players who do not make the "grade."
In the mid 90s, Chapman was a Division 1 program for a few years. They had full scholarships just like any other D1 program. However, they added football and moved to D3. They have been D3, and played a D3 schedule, for about 15 years now.
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 18, 2009, 12:38:28 PM
Just curious to see how well the regional was hosted by Linfield? Good? Bad? Can people see Linfield hosting another regional down the road?
Linfield did an outstanding job hosting the tournament. The staff was in abundance and friendly. They even swept the bleachers between each game.
The home town crowd had the stands full to cheer George Fox on and they were all friendly.
And it was also nice that the Linfield "balcony crowd" watched the games and were all rooting for CHAPMAN ;D They even came down to the bus after Chapman beat Pomona.
QuoteChapman's athletic department tries, in vein, every year to get into the SCIAC. Chapman has self-imposed all of the same rules and regulations the SCIAC has in order to show they are on a level playing ground with them in an attempt to gain admittance, and it doesn't work. The baseball program may have benefitted this year from getting a pool B bid into the playoffs, but I guarantee you Chapman would join the SCIAC in a heartbeat if they were given the opportunity. The only difference between Chapman and most of the SCIAC is the academic standards, and the standards have gone up dramatically at Chapman over the last 10 years.
Why will the SCIAC not let Chapman in??
Quote from: LA Mike on May 19, 2009, 05:39:15 PM
4. You are not allowed to "recruit" in D-3 baseball.
Since when? Or am I misunderstanding what you're trying to get at?
Chapman was in the SCIAC for a few years in the early 50's not
sure what happen for them to leave.
The following is a chronology of the membership changes over the years: 1915 Caltech, Occidental, Pomona, Redlands and Whittier found SCIAC
1920 UCLA joins (then known as the Southern Branch of the University of California)
1926 La Verne College and San Diego State Teachers College join
1927 UCLA leaves
1931 UC Santa Barbara joins (then known as Santa Barbara State Teachers College)
1934 Caltech and Pomona leave
1938 UC Santa Barbara and La Verne leave; Caltech and Pomona rejoin
1939 San Diego State leaves
1943 Whittier leaves
1946 Whittier rejoins
1947 Pomona combines with Claremont Men's College for athletics (Pomona-Claremont)
1950 Chapman College as an associate in baseball, basketball and tennis
1952 Chapman's association ends
1958 Claremont combines with Harvey Mudd College for athletics (Claremont-Mudd) [they are ineligible for SCIAC titles this year]
1971 La Verne rejoins; Pomona combines with Pitzer College for athletics (Pomona-Pitzer)
1976 Claremont-Mudd combines with Scripps College for athletics (Claremont-Mudd-Scripps)
1991 California Lutheran University joins [ineligible for football title in 1991]
Quote from: infielddad on May 19, 2009, 12:43:32 AM
As I posted before, Cavan is the only player from outside Southern Ca to make any significant contribution at Chapman and he came because Trinity found him in Northern CA and he couldn't surf in TX.
I'm not sure this claim is accurate. Saw a kid from Oregon toss two wins and get the tournament team nod at West Regional. Don't know how he got out of Oregon, but it is Chapman's gain. Also noticed two other kids from Oregon on their roster who could be up-n-comers. I think a team that spends every late May in Wisconsin starts drawing attention from other parts. A good program starts to sell itself, surf or no surf. A few years back, everyone was saying our OSU Beavers couldn't attract quality players to the rainy NW. That's no longer the case after two CWS crowns.
NWDad.
Hallebaseball already posted about 3-4 others in addition to Cavan covering the last several years. With your name, I get the impression you might have some relationship to the Oregon kids. If so and if they were first identified and recruited by Chapman, as opposed to them contacting Chapman, then I was certainly off base in terms of the current roster.
With that said, I doubt Chapman will need to recruit like Oregon St. One reason Casey is now looking outside Oregon is U of O starting baseball, isn't it?
The only point I am making and will continue to make is that Chapman is in the hot bed of baseball talent in our Country. If you contrast their roster with Pomona Pitzer and/or Hendrix, you see the focus of the recruiting. Hendrix had to come to Southern Ca. to find players to add the quality and depth to rebuild their program.
PP recruits nationally and has to do so because of its academic requirements.
Maybe you will be right and Chapman will start to recruit outside of Orange County and Southern Ca.
Since I have followed them beginning in 2002 to the present, their roster and recruiting has been local. They get top talent by doing that. They prepare and coach their players well by doing that.
They win by doing that.
I don't see them changing but it sure helps when they get top players from other areas based on their reputation.
All West Region Teams -- From University of Redlands (SCIAC) website-- thank you !!
May 20, 2009
Bulldog Baseball's Nicholson Selected to ABCA-Rawlings All-West Region Third Team
Senior pitcher Nolan Nicholson (Fullerton, CA) capped off a remarkable collegiate career with the University of Redlands baseball program, earning a spot on the American Baseball Coaches Association (ABCA)-Rawlings All-West Region Third Team, as announced by the ABCA on Tuesday.
Nicholson (10-2) was the No. 1 starter in the Bulldog rotation all season and defeated two teams that advanced to the NCAA Division III College World Series (No. 9 Chapman University and No. 2 Kean University). In 89.1 innings of work, he struck out 45 batters while maintaining a 3.83 ERA, allowing as many earned runs as he did walks (38). Among Redlands pitchers who tossed more than 15 innings, he held the opposition to a team-low .269 batting average. Notably, Nicholson held the D3baseball.com Player of the Year, Pomona-Pitzer Colleges' Drew Hedman, hitless, forcing him out twice while walking him once.
This marks the second time that he has gained ABCA-Rawlings All-Region honors as he earned a spot on the All-West Region Second Team in 2008. Nicholson's other laurels include two ESPN The Magazine/College Sports Information Directors of America (CoSIDA) Academic All-District First-Team selections (2008, 2009), one First-Team All-Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SCIAC) accolade (2008) and two Second-Team All-SCIAC nods (2006, 2009).
Redlands (25-15, 14-7 SCIAC) finished out the regular season at third in the SCIAC and won more than 20 games for the fifth straight season.
The following is a list of all those chosen to the three ABCA-Rawlings All-West Region Teams:
(*denotes West Region Player of the Year; #denotes West Region Pitcher of the Year)
First Team:
Reggie Dixon (DH)- Hardin-Simmons University (TX)
Mark Rockey (C)- University of Puget Sound (WA)
*Drew Hedman (1B)- Pomona-Pitzer Colleges
Bo Thunell (2B)- George Fox University (OR)
Tre Lips (3B)- McMurry University (TX)
Javier Arrieta (SS)- Sul Ross State University (TX)
Matt Wyckoff (OF)- George Fox University (OR)
Bo Bell (OF)- Mississippi College
Jared Smith (OF)- University of Texas at Dallas
John Semel (UT)- Chapman University
#Brett Hinson (P)- Mississippi College
Chase Tigert (P)- Cal Lutheran University
Brad Orosey (P)- Texas Lutheran University
John Semel (UT)- Chapman University
Second Team:
Jordan Ott (DH)- Cal Lutheran University
J.T. Armstrong (C)- Hardin-Simmons University (TX)
Cole Bixenman (C)- Linfield College (OR)
Kyle Stalker (1B)- Willamette University (OR)
Brock Lemire (2B)- University of Texas at Tyler
Tristan Phillips (3B)- Chapman University
Brandon Huerta (SS)- Pomona-Pitzer Colleges
Joseph Villegas (OF)- University of Mary Hardin-Baylor (TX)
Jake Mullin (OF)- McMurry University (TX)
Jordan Pennington (OF)- Trinity University (TX)
Tom Williams (OF)- Concordia University (TX)
Jeremy Macklin (UT)- Texas Lutheran University
Reese McCulley (P)- Linfield College (OR)
Robert Bleeker (P)- Pacific Lutheran University (WA)
David Colvin (P)- Pomona-Pitzer Colleges
Brett Holland (P)- University of Texas at Tyler
Michael Johnson (P)- Concordia University (TX)
Jeremy Macklin (UT)- Texas Lutheran University
Third Team:
Jared Hood (DH)- University of Texas at Tyler
Kyle Felix (C)- Trinity University (TX)
Adam Hudec (C)- University of Texas at Dallas
Zach Atkins (1B)- University of Dallas (TX)
James Kang (2B)- Pomona-Pitzer
Ben Shively (3B)- Pacific Lutheran University (WA)
Jon-Michael Hattabaugh (3B)- University of La Verne
Jason Jebbia (SS)- Occidental College
Chad Deleiden (SS)- University of Texas at Tyler
Kyle Harvey (OF)- Texas Lutheran University
Jeremy Harding (OF)- University of Texas at Tyler
Daniel Ward (OF)- Hendrix College (AR)
Wayde Kitchens (P)- Chapman University
Beau Ziegler (P)- University of Texas at Tyler
Philip Carkhuff (P)- University of Dallas (TX)
Nolan Nicholson (P)- University of Redlands
Blake Booher (P)- University of Texas at Tyler
Chad Jones (P)- George Fox University (OR)
im confused on how cody ross is not on this list but was a 2nd team ABCA all american?
anyone know?
The ABCA is a Coaches Selection and Poll.
The D3 is a Writers and Media Selection and Poll.
Different eyes I guess...........
all-region teams are abca as well as the abca all-american team. Thus my confusion. He was 2nd team all american (abca) but not listed in this all region list, even though you have to be first team all region in order to be considered for all-american.
d3ball32,
You are correct, you have to be ABCA All-Region to be an ABCA All-American. Much apologies for the omission on my part; Ross was on the first team. Below is a link to the updated release.
http://goredlands.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/news/05_20_09_BSB_All_Region (http://goredlands.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/news/05_20_09_BSB_All_Region)
Thanks for keeping me honest!
Quote from: RedlandsAsstSID on May 23, 2009, 11:12:53 AM
d3ball32,
You are correct, you have to be ABCA All-Region to be an ABCA All-American. Much apologies for the omission on my part; Ross was on the first team. Below is a link to the updated release.
http://goredlands.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/news/05_20_09_BSB_All_Region (http://goredlands.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/news/05_20_09_BSB_All_Region)
Thanks for keeping me honest!
Honest? ??? I look at it more like just standard proofreading! No malice. No foul! ;)
We really appreciate any SIDs that provide content, especially valuable content such as that. If there is something such as a fan's website, these are they.
+1, Redlands SID. Thanks for all that you do.
will there be a 2009 all west gold glove team announcement forthcoming ??
Any news yet on the site for 2010 for the West Region ?
Past recent sites include Chapman in CA, McMurry in TX and Linfield in OR.
Will it be a new site or will go back to one of these 3 ?
Many sites would be great venues but because of no lights, dont have a chance of hosting.
With 40 teams in the West Region ? How many teams will get be going to the 1st round of the dance ? Will this be the year the ASC get 2 teams in like SCIAC did last year ?
Any early season predictions on who might make it to the West Regional ?
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on January 04, 2010, 11:50:23 AM
Any news yet on the site for 2010 for the West Region ?
Linfield has it again this year.
Past recent sites include Chapman in CA, McMurry in TX and Linfield in OR.
Will it be a new site or will go back to one of these 3 ?
Many sites would be great venues but because of no lights, dont have a chance of hosting.
With 40 teams in the West Region ? How many teams will get be going to the 1st round of the dance ? Will this be the year the ASC get 2 teams in like SCIAC did last year ?
Any early season predictions on who might make it to the West Regional ?
Story from the front page. (http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2010/01/06/7027/former-champos-host-regionals.html)
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on January 04, 2010, 11:50:23 AM
Any news yet on the site for 2010 for the West Region ?
Linfield has it again this year.
Past recent sites include Chapman in CA, McMurry in TX and Linfield in OR.
Will it be a new site or will go back to one of these 3 ?
Many sites would be great venues but because of no lights, dont have a chance of hosting.
With 40 teams in the West Region ? How many teams will get be going to the 1st round of the dance ? Will this be the year the ASC get 2 teams in like SCIAC did last year ?
Any early season predictions on who might make it to the West Regional ?
Story from the front page. (http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2010/01/06/7027/former-champos-host-regionals.html)
Even I cannot get used to the newest listing to have LINFIELD host the regionals again.
Here's why....
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/sports-venues/helser-field.html (http://www.linfield.edu/sports/sports-venues/helser-field.html)
We have always referred to the baseball venue as Roy Helser (NAIA Champ coach 1966) whatever. With an enhancement the whole shebang became Jim Wright Stadium/Roy Helser field.
Is the whole field turf or just the infield. Saw the batter's boxes were, but what about the mound?
Only the pitcher mound is dirt. The whole field is TURF.
The turf is painted brown for the infield and batters area.
The balls plays much differently than dirt/grass. Ground balls and bunts....
It is a very nice venue. Nice stands, restrooms, dugouts etc....on a beautiful campus with beautiful tree's.
Which teams will be there ?
Will a suprise team be there ?
Important Dates
Thursday, April 29 - Committee ranking conference call.
Thursday, May 6 - Committee ranking conference call.
Thursday, May 13 - Committee ranking conference call.
Sunday, May 16—Selection call.
Wednesday-Sunday, May 19-23—Regional competition.
Friday-Tuesday, May 28-June 1—Championship competition
SCIAC
Pomona
Redlands
NWC
Pacific Lutheran
Linfield
George Fox
SCAC
Trinity
ASC
Texas-Tyler
Mississippi College
Hardin Simmons
Texas-Lutheran
INDEPENDENT
Chapman
Things are starting to shape up for the trip to Oregon.
SCIAC Pomona/Pitzer
SCAC Trinity TX
NWC Pac Lutheran or Linfield TBD on 5/1
ASC TBD on 5/9 Teams left on this link http://www.ascsports.org/documents/2010/4/25/BASEBALLbracket10.pdf?id=1354
Pool B/Pool C TBD on 5/16
Pool B/Pool C TBD on 5/16
Does the West get a 6, 7, 8 team regional. Last year it was 6.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on February 23, 2010, 11:05:03 PM
Only the pitcher mound is dirt. The whole field is TURF.
The turf is painted brown for the infield and batters area.
The balls plays much differently than dirt/grass. Ground balls and bunts....
It is a very nice venue. Nice stands, restrooms, dugouts etc....on a beautiful campus with beautiful tree's.
Just a slight correction...the infield is field turf and outfield is grass (the grass starts right past the infield). the infield "dirt" isn't painted but just colored turf. Both bullpens are also turfed and Helser field also has great covered outdoor cages in case there is some showers/rain. Also, the batters box turf was just replaced before the season so that area is nice and fresh.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linfield.edu%2Fsports%2Fdata_assets%2Fvenues_photos%2Fhelserfield.08.2.jpg&hash=1d57c468151be19aeadd564a03fcb34a5b63e837)
Thanks for the correction on the outfield.
Here are more pictures of this beautiful venue.
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/sports-venues/helser-field.html
what are the odds that TU gets shipped out of the West region. It happened two years ago when the regional was in texas and Linfield got shipped out. The NCAA has to buy a plane ticket for TU, so it doesnt matter where they fly to....
Maybe this year the NWC gets 2 teams in the backyard with Linfield & Pac Lu. in the West Regional
Trinity TX or Mississippi College could either or both get shipped to the South or other region BUT not likely....IF it makes sense or if it is logical dont count on the NCAA doing it.
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on April 28, 2010, 10:53:17 AM
what are the odds that TU gets shipped out of the West region. It happened two years ago when the regional was in texas and Linfield got shipped out. The NCAA has to buy a plane ticket for TU, so it doesnt matter where they fly to....
I think that the NCAA can avoid plane tickets for about 51 of the 55 schools. Therefore, you can fly enough teams into one site to fill the bracket and stop at that. I think that the ASC bid and Trinity go to Linfield.
I see plane 5 tickets in the West alone if 2 NWC not chosen for
No tickets for NWC teams
SCIAC-Pool A(Pomona-Pitzer)
ASC-Pool A(TBD)
SCAC-Pool A(Trinity)
NWC-Pool A(Linfield or Pac LU no plane tickets)
2 AT Large(TBD NWC or SCIAC or IND or ASC)
So are you saying all other regions will be bus trips....for 50/51 teams...
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 28, 2010, 11:15:33 AM
I see plane 5 tickets in the West alone if 2 NWC not chosen for
No tickets for NWC teams
SCIAC-Pool A(Pomona-Pitzer)
ASC-Pool A(TBD)
SCAC-Pool A(Trinity)
NWC-Pool A(Linfield or Pac LU no plane tickets)
2 AT Large(TBD NWC or SCIAC or IND or ASC)
So are you saying all other regions will be bus trips....for 50/51 teams...
I think so. I think that they can shuffle teams out of New England where there are more Pool A and Pool C bids to fill a bracket.
The Mid-Atlantic can overflow to the MId-East. I have checked the NCAA mileage charts to check out Huntingdon as Pool B going to Methodist or to Marietta. Both are plane flights, so there is one more team that can fill out the brackets where needed.
I love the tourney talk, but we are forgetting that there WILL be upsets in conference tourneys that may bump these middle to lower Pool C teams out of the dance. All Pool C teams need to cheer on the conference favorites or risk facing them head to head for a Pool C bid.
A team like Whitewater getting knocked out by a third place WIAC team would have a ripple effect in the bids. I am assuming that Whitewater and Stevens Point are near Pool C locks and dumping both into the Pool C group would leave another team sitting home.
I think that the West is looking like a 6-team bracket.
Chapman, Linfield, PP, Trinity and the ASC Pool A.
One Pool C bid that comes from one of the teams listed in last week's Regional Rankings will make the 6th.
If the committee looks at the whole season, as I have been led to believe, then Redlands could control their own destiny by winning at least two games next weekend against Chapman. But, who really knows for sure.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2010, 07:10:29 PM
I think that the West is looking like a 6-team bracket.
Chapman, Linfield, PP, Trinity and the ASC Pool A.
One Pool C bid that comes from one of the teams listed in last week's Regional Rankings will make the 6th.
SCIAC - Pomona Pitzer - Pool A
SCAC - Trinity TX - Pool A
NWC - Linfield - Pool A
IND - Chapman Pool B
ASC - TBD Pool A
??? -
Pool C(Pac Lu, Redlands, Cal Lutheran, Texas Lu, Texas Tyler Mississippi College)
Getting swept this weekend really hurt Pac Lutheran.
This weekend (May 7, 8, 9) will finish up West Region play that has a major impacts to Pool A/B/C and seedings in the West Regional
SCIAC/Independent (Pool C/Pool B)
Redlands vs Chapman
ASC Championship(Pool A/Pool C)
UT-Tyler
Texas Lutheran
Mississippi College
Hardin Simmons
Predicted Regional Rankings Today
1 Chapman
2 Mississippi College
3 Trinity (Texas)
4 Linfield
5 Pomona-Pitzer
6 Texas-Tyler
Not sure if I got the order correct...
Regional Rankings released today 5/6/2010 by NCAA
West Region
1. Chapman 23-4 26-8
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29-9
4. Mississippi College 30-4 34-7
5. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7
6. Texas Lutheran 28-11 31-11
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 06, 2010, 03:23:14 PM
Regional Rankings released today 5/6/2010 by NCAA
West Region
1. Chapman 23-4 26-8
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29-9
4. Mississippi College 30-4 34-7
5. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7
6. Texas Lutheran 28-11 31-11
I guess I just dont understand how they do regional rankings.....I know the formula, but dont get TU being ranked 5th.
and a follow up, will these ranking determine seeding in the regional tourney?
It has taken me four years of watching to figure out how the "system" works. It is become clear to me that if you are a west region team; it is far better to be an independent; not in a conference and hope that the schools administration and alumni will support the program. You have to give Chapman credit; they have figured out how the system works and have built their program with the objective of getting to the tournament and winning.
If your in the west; it does not pay to play "local" teams that are weak. Yet that is the only choice that many teams face. Be independent; get on the plane and travel to other western programs that value competition. If a cold weather team wants to visit your warm weather location; you have to question the value.
The D3 formula works where there is a high concentration of schools such that travel and choice can be made. But if you are a western team with only a few schools in your conference; you will pay a price at tournament time.
TU gets absolutely killed by the 4 game set with Schreiner and their 28 in-region losses. Remove those games and their OWP is 500 and they are arguing for a top 1-3 spot in the West. Interesting how an early season in region series can change the lay of the land so much. But they are 5-1 versus regionally ranked competition, now. Too bad that's secondary criteria.
Results against regionally ranked competition is part of the PRIMARY, not secondary criteria.
It is not just Schreiner that kills; it is the 13 conference wins against teams with sub 500 records. That makes more than half of their in region wins against sub 500 teams. The SCAC west may be good competition; but it does not play well with the NCAA.
Quote from: ILVBB on May 06, 2010, 04:18:53 PM
It has taken me four years of watching to figure out how the "system" works. It is become clear to me that if you are a west region team; it is far better to be an independent; not in a conference and hope that the schools administration and alumni will support the program. You have to give Chapman credit; they have figured out how the system works and have built their program with the objective of getting to the tournament and winning.
If your in the west; it does not pay to play "local" teams that are weak. Yet that is the only choice that many teams face. Be independent; get on the plane and travel to other western programs that value competition. If a cold weather team wants to visit your warm weather location; you have to question the value.
The D3 formula works where there is a high concentration of schools such that travel and choice can be made. But if you are a western team with only a few schools in your conference; you will pay a price at tournament time.
The problem with being an independent in the west, or any place, is "who do you play?"
Look at the schedules of Menlo and UDallas.
If UDallas were offered a place in the SCAC, they would be there yesterday. Otherwise, they are filling their late season schedules with teams that are not even NCAA, e.g., the USCAA team from Briarcliffe on Long Island in New York!
I think that most new fans to D3 get confused about the number of playoff bids that seem available to D1 teams in the SEC or the Big-12 and don't realize that that doesn't apply to the Southland Conference or the Sun Belt in basketball. It may be slightly different in the south for baseball, just because we have so many good baseball teams down here.
We keep repeating this, but the ASC is hindered in access to the playoffs until we can split into 2 distinct conferences.
Quote from: ILVBB on May 06, 2010, 04:52:15 PM
It is not just Schreiner that kills; it is the 13 conference wins against teams with sub 500 records. That makes more than half of their in region wins against sub 500 teams. The SCAC west may be good competition; but it does not play well with the NCAA.
Please run the OWP numbers yourself from Appendix B of the
Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/baseball/2010/10_3_baseball.pdf).
By this time, using the system, I think that the NCAA is aware of how unreliable the OWP/OOWP is when evaluating isolated conferences such as the ASC, the SCIAC and the NWC.
Shucks, I haven't run the numbers, but I think that the OWP/OOWP for the New York Yankees was only about .497 last season. :D
Sorry to clarify, TU is 5-1 versus all D3 ranked competition which I believe is Secondary Criteria. They are 3-1 versus in-region (to them, Millsaps included) competition which is Primary selection criteria.
Quote from: ILVBB on May 06, 2010, 04:52:15 PM
It is not just Schreiner that kills; it is the 13 conference wins against teams with sub 500 records. That makes more than half of their in region wins against sub 500 teams. The SCAC west may be good competition; but it does not play well with the NCAA.
Chapman does not play Cal Tech or La Sierra both local teams to Chapman which always have sub .500 records. La Sierra is moving to NAIA in 2011.
Chapman in 2010 no longer plays Cal State East Bay since they moved to DII from DIII Which is always above .500 and did make it to several west regionals.
Chapman does play the rest of the SCIAC teams(Pomona, La Verne Claremont, Cal Lu, Redlands, Whittier, Occidental) but many times can not schedule 3 game series with each SCIAC team. 5 of those teams above .500 and 2 below)
It could be scheduling issues, or the SCIAC this year went from 3 game to 4 games series with each conference member which would leave less dates and games available to play Chapman.
Chapman this year played 4 games with Linfield(NWC) 1 with Willamette(NWC), 3 with Menlo(IND).. UDallas(3), McMurray(ASC). 3 are above .500 and 2 are below .500.
Chapman also played DII Cal State Dominquez Hills(2010 West Playoff Team), PT Loma(2010 NAIA Championship Finalist team), NAIA Cal State San San Marcos and Westmont.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2010, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: ILVBB on May 06, 2010, 04:52:15 PM
It is not just Schreiner that kills; it is the 13 conference wins against teams with sub 500 records. That makes more than half of their in region wins against sub 500 teams. The SCAC west may be good competition; but it does not play well with the NCAA.
Please run the OWP numbers yourself from Appendix B of the Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/baseball/2010/10_3_baseball.pdf).
By this time, using the system, I think that the NCAA is aware of how unreliable the OWP/OOWP is when evaluating isolated conferences such as the ASC, the SCIAC and the NWC.
Shucks, I haven't run the numbers, but I think that the OWP/OOWP for the New York Yankees was only about .497 last season. :D
It looks like the OWP/OOWP/SOS just seem to distort things sometimes and causes the teams on the bubble to miss or teams to get regionally ranked lower just because they happen to be a conference that is has alot of sub .500 teams. Not sure what other system the NCAA could go to but the old fashion W/L thing...
Rankings for West teams with the RPI scale .75*SOS+.25*Win%
1. Chapman 0.607
2. Linfield 0.574
3. Pomona-Pitzer 0.567
4. Texas-Tyler 0.559
5. Mississippi College 0.557
6. Trinity (Texas) 0.544
7. Cal Lutheran 0.542
8. Redlands 0.536
9. Pacific Lutheran 0.535
10. Texas Lutheran 0.528
11. George Fox 0.528
(Just eyeballing and subjective opinion, but I think no region gets hurt by the OWP/OOWP system more than the West)
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 06, 2010, 05:37:54 PM
Rankings for West teams with the RPI scale .75*SOS+.25*Win%
1. Chapman 0.607
2. Linfield 0.574
3. Pomona-Pitzer 0.567
4. Texas-Tyler 0.559
5. Mississippi College 0.557
6. Trinity (Texas) 0.544
7. Cal Lutheran 0.542
8. Redlands 0.536
9. Pacific Lutheran 0.535
10. Texas Lutheran 0.528
11. George Fox 0.528
(Just eyeballing and subjective opinion, but I think no region gets hurt by the OWP/OOWP system more than the West)
| Team | SOS | 2nd regional ranking | Status |
| 1. Chapman | 0.607 | 1. Chapman 23-4 26-8 | Pool B |
| 2. Linfield | 0.574 | 2. Linfield 28-7 30-10 | NWC Clinched |
| 3. Pomona-Pitzer | 0.567 | 3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29-9 | SCIAC Clinched |
| 4. Texas-Tyler | 0.559 | Not ranked | ASC Tourney |
| 5. Mississippi College | 0.557 | 4. Mississippi College 30-4 34-7 | ASC Tourney |
| 6. Trinity (Texas) | 0.544 | 5. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7 | SCAC Clinched |
| * | * | 6. Texas Lutheran 28-11 31-11 | ASC Tourney |
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 06, 2010, 05:37:54 PM
Rankings for West teams with the RPI scale .75*SOS+.25*Win%
1. Chapman 0.607
2. Linfield 0.574
3. Pomona-Pitzer 0.567
4. Texas-Tyler 0.559
5. Mississippi College 0.557
6. Trinity (Texas) 0.544
7. Cal Lutheran 0.542
8. Redlands 0.536
9. Pacific Lutheran 0.535
10. Texas Lutheran 0.528
11. George Fox 0.528
(Just eyeballing and subjective opinion, but I think no region gets hurt by the OWP/OOWP system more than the West)
With the RPI...is it better to play good teams and lose than to play bad teams and win, if the SOS is 75% of the formula?
The regional rankings have TLU ranked and UTT not. UTT has a better overall record and W-L in the region but lost twice to TLU early in the season. I am a big UTT fan but do not disagree with the ranking. Head on head competion must weigh more heavily. The ASC tournmanent is this weekend and both UTT and TLU are in it and have a chance to win it. Both are champions of their respective divisions and both have won over 30 games this season. If MC wins the tournament and either UTT or TLU finish second they should be the 6th pick for the region IMO.
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 06, 2010, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 06, 2010, 05:37:54 PM
Rankings for West teams with the RPI scale .75*SOS+.25*Win%
1. Chapman 0.607
2. Linfield 0.574
3. Pomona-Pitzer 0.567
4. Texas-Tyler 0.559
5. Mississippi College 0.557
6. Trinity (Texas) 0.544
7. Cal Lutheran 0.542
8. Redlands 0.536
9. Pacific Lutheran 0.535
10. Texas Lutheran 0.528
11. George Fox 0.528
(Just eyeballing and subjective opinion, but I think no region gets hurt by the OWP/OOWP system more than the West)
With the RPI...is it better to play good teams and lose than to play bad teams and win, if the SOS is 75% of the formula?
Play a competitive schedule. Look at the perrenial powers in the region and play them.
Former McMurry Coach Lee Driggers knew how to showcase his team. He commonly would catch solid teams on the west coast or in Hawai'i in the early season. He would play a Chapman, or a George Fox or a Claremont-Mudd.
Look at each game yourself. You go to Chapman and lose a series 2 games to 1. What do you think about that series? "Hey that team is competitive with Chapman. We know what they are like!" If you have played several of the best teams in the region, and you have played competitively against them, then the committee sees that.
You have to be realistic about Pool C, tho'. There are only 15 bids for 320 teams that don't get an "A" or a "B". Practically, in D-III Pool C is for the really solid teams that just did not quite earn the Pool A. In D-1, e.g., the SEC or the Big 12 may get 4-5 bids. That is not the case in D-III.
Quote from: ILVBB on May 06, 2010, 04:18:53 PM
It has taken me four years of watching to figure out how the "system" works. It is become clear to me that if you are a west region team; it is far better to be an independent; not in a conference and hope that the schools administration and alumni will support the program. You have to give Chapman credit; they have figured out how the system works and have built their program with the objective of getting to the tournament and winning.
If your in the west; it does not pay to play "local" teams that are weak. Yet that is the only choice that many teams face. Be independent; get on the plane and travel to other western programs that value competition. If a cold weather team wants to visit your warm weather location; you have to question the value.
The D3 formula works where there is a high concentration of schools such that travel and choice can be made. But if you are a western team with only a few schools in your conference; you will pay a price at tournament time.
The primary advantage Chapman has by being an independent is they don't have to play the worst teams in a conference. I'm familiar with MS College so I can use them as comparison, but I would assume Trinity is in a similar boat to MC.
Chapman has only played ten losing teams among their 27 regional games. MS College has played 20 losing teams in their 34 regional games, but if you remove the bottom seven games then the schedules are quite similar at the top.
If MS College only counted their top 27 regional games, they would face 13 losing teams, 7 teams slightly above .500, and 7 more teams in the .667 range or better. MC is 5-2 against those 7 elite games and 4-2 against regionally ranked teams. ( really would be 5-2 if Birmingham Southern could be ranked). They would have a SOS around .525-.535 in those 27 games. In MC's case, the combined regional record of those bottom seven opponents is 39-179.
Of Chapman's 27 regional games they've played 10 losing teams, nine teams slightly above .500, and eight games against teams above .667. They are 5-3 in those 8 elite games, and 4-3 against regionally ranked teams. They have a .545 SOS.
There's just not much difference outside of MC having to play the worst teams in the conference. Both teams would have identical 23-4 regional records with very similar criteria but the seven blowout wins over terrible teams kill MC. Nothing you can do about it, committee members probably don't get an opportunity to consider common sense reasoning like that because it's not official criteria and they focus on what they are instructed to look at. I would feel pretty confident that the same argument could be made for Trinity.
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 07, 2010, 12:33:06 AM
.... I would feel pretty confident that the same argument could be made for Trinity.
and Linfield and Pomona-Pitzer, except Linfield and P-P played Chapman.
Very very smart by Linfield Coach Scott Brosius.
IMHO, the two best coaches in the West Region now are Coach Tereschuk Chapman and Coach Brosius.
A smart thing for 2 ASC teams (that will not be playing each other in a crossover series) to do would be to go to Chapman and play a round robin with Chapman and another good west coast team from the SCIAC or the NWC.
That is 3 more opponents who get added into the OWP/OOWP calculations.
Or go to the Metrodome in February and catch CSS, St Thomas and St Olaf. Those are in-region games, too.
Ralph,
The system for tourney selection is what it is. I like your idea(s) that a team take the lead in determining its own future by rethinking their scheduling patterns. Several teams, such as MC and Linfield do travel out (down) here and pick up early season games against the stronger west coast teams.
Chapman usually schedules tough early season opponents, as do several SCIAC teams.
Second guessing the system only frustrates posters, because this board can't make changes to the system. Although it does allow for healthy debate.
I think what it comes down to, ultamitely, is money. Aside from the Schreiner schedule, TU played everyone in Texas. I guess Coach Scannell could have swapped Schreiner and UTT, to play the most competitive schedule. Another thing to consider is that TU started conference play the 2nd weekend of the year and only had 3 open weekends all year. They played DeSales one of those, which isn't in region but usually against a regionally ranked team. Not having open weekends, you have to play Tuesday games and those need to be somewhat close because of classes. Also, having the Millspas games rained out at the end really hurt.
Again, I am not complaining about TU schedule, it is what it is. Win the tourney and get a bid. If TU ends up the 5th seed in the west regional tourney, that will bum me out. Call me crazy, but I would rather be the 6th seed and play Chapman first, with Klimesh on the mound....
After reading some posts on the Central Regional board, I think I might have been misreading the OWP calculation methodology. I assumed that each in-region "game" counted against OWP, but actually it seems to be each in region "opponent" regardless of the number of games between opponents.
That nuance makes a pretty big difference for Trinity; it actually puts their OWP at over 500 on my quick and dirty spreadsheet. Probably not exact, but definitely closer to 500 than the 450 they are currently listed as on the SOS table.
Not trying to open up a can of worms, but which way is correct? Would love for some to check my math in this case.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2010, 12:43:46 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 07, 2010, 12:33:06 AM
.... I would feel pretty confident that the same argument could be made for Trinity.
and Linfield and Pomona-Pitzer, except Linfield and P-P played Chapman.
Very very smart by Linfield Coach Scott Brosius.
IMHO, the two best coaches in the West Region now are Coach Tereschuk Chapman and Coach Brosius.
A smart thing for 2 ASC teams (that will not be playing each other in a crossover series) to do would be to go to Chapman and play a round robin with Chapman and another good west coast team from the SCIAC or the NWC.
That is 3 more opponents who get added into the OWP/OOWP calculations.
Or go to the Metrodome in February and catch CSS, St Thomas and St Olaf. Those are in-region games, too.
Ralph, One can't argue with those two coaches being at the top.
However, I know I am preaching to the choir when I say the best of DIII coaches still has a non-baseball constraint and that is budget.
Coach Scannell would love to travel to CA. or Atlanta, for instance for a major trip/competition. He did it once, in 2001, when the team went to Emory so they could play Emory, Montclair State and Virginia Weslyan and get national exposure, SOS, and show his team where they need to be to compete. The problem was that 4 day trip for 3 games used nearly 50% of his total budget.
In 2004, he had a trip planned to CA. with games scheduled to play Chapman, CLU and P-P. He had to cancel it in January. One reason..budget.
On the TU website, there are major developments in the soccer facility that seem to have the support of the new TU President.
If those truly are a reflection of a new President and a change in attitude on the importance of sports at TU in their overall approach to a college experience, my hope is that will allow Coach Scannell to be able to make that trip, or attract others to San Antonio that he could not do before.
Quote from: Bmo on May 07, 2010, 11:31:30 AM
After reading some posts on the Central Regional board, I think I might have been misreading the OWP calculation methodology. I assumed that each in-region "game" counted against OWP, but actually it seems to be each in region "opponent" regardless of the number of games between opponents.
That nuance makes a pretty big difference for Trinity; it actually puts their OWP at over 500 on my quick and dirty spreadsheet. Probably not exact, but definitely closer to 500 than the 450 they are currently listed as on the SOS table.
Not trying to open up a can of worms, but which way is correct? Would love for some to check my math in this case.
Post #18 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6787.15), which cites the Handbook.
Yes, infielddad.
What surprises me is that Trinity Athletics fans have not started an effective 501(c)3 thru which to funnel these monies.
I think that we do a very good job of playing all of the Texas teams. TU, SW and AC all play enough midweek games that we get to see how deep the respective teams are. That 4th starter is where we seem to be weak on a national basis.
McMurry had 13 unique West Region opponents in the regular season.
Trinity had 11; 5 SCAC-West, 5 ASC-West and University of Dallas.
Southwestern had 12; 5 SCAC-West, 7 ASC-West teams.
Quote from: infielddad on May 07, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
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If those truly are a reflection of a new President and a change in attitude on the importance of sports at TU in their overall approach to a college experience, my hope is that will allow Coach Scannell to be able to make that trip, or attract others to San Antonio that he could not do before.
I dread to ask this question for fear it comes true, but has Trinity ever considered challenging Williams on the national level for the Directors' Cup?
Quote from: Bmo on May 07, 2010, 11:31:30 AM
After reading some posts on the Central Regional board, I think I might have been misreading the OWP calculation methodology. I assumed that each in-region "game" counted against OWP, but actually it seems to be each in region "opponent" regardless of the number of games between opponents.
That nuance makes a pretty big difference for Trinity; it actually puts their OWP at over 500 on my quick and dirty spreadsheet. Probably not exact, but definitely closer to 500 than the 450 they are currently listed as on the SOS table.
Not trying to open up a can of worms, but which way is correct? Would love for some to check my math in this case.
Bmo -- the original assumption is the correct one. The handbook's description of the process is oversimplified.
The numbers the NCAA uses are almost exactly identical to the ones we post, when I cross-check them. Close enough that the differences must be one or two games across an entire opponents' opponents schedule, rather than a wholesale difference in calculation.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2010, 11:59:30 AM
Yes, infielddad.
What surprises me is that Trinity Athletics fans have not started an effective 501(c)3 thru which to funnel these monies.
I think that we do a very good job of playing all of the Texas teams. TU, SW and AC all play enough midweek games that we get to see how deep the respective teams are. That 4th starter is where we seem to be weak on a national basis.
McMurry had 13 unique West Region opponents in the regular season.
Trinity had 11; 5 SCAC-West, 5 ASC-West and University of Dallas.
Southwestern had 12; 5 SCAC-West, 7 ASC-West teams.
with regards to the 503 account, i do belive there is something to that effect. When Coach Scannell go to TU, the athletic budget was miniscule. They do fundraise now, as most teams do, and that still only gets them to where they are today.....still not enough to make huge expensive trips.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2010, 12:06:57 PM
Quote from: infielddad on May 07, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
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If those truly are a reflection of a new President and a change in attitude on the importance of sports at TU in their overall approach to a college experience, my hope is that will allow Coach Scannell to be able to make that trip, or attract others to San Antonio that he could not do before.
I dread to ask this question for fear it comes true, but has Trinity ever considered challenging Williams on the national level for the Directors' Cup?
Ralph,
Having spent some time with Bob King over the past 10 years, I think Trinity sees the Emory model more realistic, at least that is the history especially with the most recent President. Since the new President arrived in January and they already have major additions and remodel projects announced for soccer, maybe the model will change.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 07, 2010, 12:10:30 PM
Quote from: Bmo on May 07, 2010, 11:31:30 AM
After reading some posts on the Central Regional board, I think I might have been misreading the OWP calculation methodology. I assumed that each in-region "game" counted against OWP, but actually it seems to be each in region "opponent" regardless of the number of games between opponents.
That nuance makes a pretty big difference for Trinity; it actually puts their OWP at over 500 on my quick and dirty spreadsheet. Probably not exact, but definitely closer to 500 than the 450 they are currently listed as on the SOS table.
Not trying to open up a can of worms, but which way is correct? Would love for some to check my math in this case.
Bmo -- the original assumption is the correct one. The handbook's description of the process is oversimplified.
The numbers the NCAA uses are almost exactly identical to the ones we post, when I cross-check them. Close enough that the differences must be one or two games across an entire opponents' opponents schedule, rather than a wholesale difference in calculation.
Thanks Pat. That makes the most sense.
Personally, I like having the southern football teams in the West for baseball. We are exposed to so many more new names and ideas.
Thoughts on LINFIELD'S home cookin' for the regionals?
I saw Trinity come into Chapman a couple of years ago and that Foxy George snuck away with it all.
And the subject of home cookin', I cannot think of a bar-b-q joint in McMinnville. Then I do not live there. Wildcat11?
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 07, 2010, 12:16:42 PM
When Coach Scannell go to TU, the athletic budget was miniscule.
tigerfan,
In my view, the baseball budget was less than miniscule. When one would look at budget and hear where Coach Scannell wanted his program and players to get, it seemed impossible, especially for the program Coach Scannell envisioned and the National recruiting he needed to do.
It is a source of inspiration to realize that every Trinity player, Trinity parent and Trinity coach benefited, and is benefiting, from the efforts of those who stepped up and truly began to make a difference from what existed in 2001.
Quote from: D O.C. on May 07, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Personally, I like having the southern football teams in the West for baseball. We are exposed to so many more new names and ideas.
Thoughts on LINFIELD'S home cookin' for the regionals?
I saw Trinity come into Chapman a couple of years ago and that Foxy George snuck away with it all.
And the subject of home cookin', I cannot think of a bar-b-q joint in McMinnville. Then I do not live there. Wildcat11?
D.O.C.,
I'd say the 18-19 innings piled on the right arm of Scott Hyde in those 4 days is what made the difference. Those were two very good teams, as evidenced by George Fox winning the CWS, and were equal in every other way.
Quote from: D O.C. on May 07, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Personally, I like having the southern football teams in the West for baseball. We are exposed to so many more new names and ideas.
Thoughts on LINFIELD'S home cookin' for the regionals?
I saw Trinity come into Chapman a couple of years ago and that Foxy George snuck away with it all.
And the subject of home cookin', I cannot think of a bar-b-q joint in McMinnville. Then I do not live there. Wildcat11?
Went here several times last year we groups of fans, parents, players...in McMinnville
http://www.goldenvalleybrewery.com/restaurant.htm
Quote from: infielddad on May 07, 2010, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on May 07, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Personally, I like having the southern football teams in the West for baseball. We are exposed to so many more new names and ideas.
Thoughts on LINFIELD'S home cookin' for the regionals?
I saw Trinity come into Chapman a couple of years ago and that Foxy George snuck away with it all.
And the subject of home cookin', I cannot think of a bar-b-q joint in McMinnville. Then I do not live there. Wildcat11?
D.O.C.,
I'd say the 18-19 innings piled on the right arm of Scott Hyde in those 4 days is what made the difference. Those were two very good teams, as evidenced by George Fox winning the CWS, and were equal in every other way.
I watched that entire regional... Hyde was filthy all weekend.
Quote from: infielddad on May 07, 2010, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2010, 12:06:57 PM
Quote from: infielddad on May 07, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
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If those truly are a reflection of a new President and a change in attitude on the importance of sports at TU in their overall approach to a college experience, my hope is that will allow Coach Scannell to be able to make that trip, or attract others to San Antonio that he could not do before.
I dread to ask this question for fear it comes true, but has Trinity ever considered challenging Williams on the national level for the Directors' Cup?
Ralph,
Having spent some time with Bob King over the past 10 years, I think Trinity sees the Emory model more realistic, at least that is the history especially with the most recent President. Since the new President arrived in January and they already have major additions and remodel projects announced for soccer, maybe the model will change.
I don't see Trinity trying to be a Williams. They have a couple of top-five Directors Cup finishes to their credit and placing there on a more consistent basis seems to be a reasonable expectation.
With re the funding for the athletics programs, the donors who have the money have, with few exceptions (the Bell family, for example, who replaced a sad little indoor complex with the really nice facility you see today), put their support behind academics and academic-related facilities. And that's the way it should be ... but the recent comment by Bob King about the soccer upgrades representing the start of upgrades to other athletic facilities is nothing but heartening, *and* the timing cannot be a coincidence. Huzzah, Dr. Ahlberg (http://web.trinity.edu/x2158.xml)! You and your spouse (Penelope Harley, J.D. (http://web.trinity.edu/x3688.xml)) are apparently shaking all sorts of things up on the Hill.
My comments on the financial support of athletics had more to do with proportional support for a school whose endowment is comparable to the private D-1's in this part of the country.
Even doubling the number of pennies in the budget for athletics would have a huge impact on the whole program.
Ah, but that would require a sea change from the top - previous administrations have not felt that kind of athletic funding is a priority. Maybe Dr. Ahlberg will lead the school that way, but if not private funding will be what fills the gap.
On a related tangent, I've often wondered why the school doesn't have a marching band in the vein of McMurry or Hardin-Simmons - since marching bands generally support football teams (and then basketball season), that's another aspect a school supporting athletics. In my day we had a student-run stand band because the school didn't have one (tho it used to back in scholarship days). Last fall year some students got together and created a new (better quality!) stand band ... and the athletic program had to fund the instruments because the music program apparently wasn't interested. Who knows where they found the money, but they did. Net-net - if the school can't find $30-40K (est.) for instruments to support a band that focuses on supporting athletics, it's not going supply funding to Williams-ize the program. Hopefully Dr. A will change that.
Music departments don't generally care much for pep bands, to be honest. I know at Catholic when I was a student it was student-funded, from the activities fee, and the players supplied their own instruments. Later there was a bigger group with a "faculty" director, but that was funded by a specific donor and the director wasn't exactly happy to be there.
Having at least a pep band to play during athletic events is all part of the D3 sports experience. Chapman started one a few years ago for the football games, then expanded it to the basketball season this year, even when there were only a few hundred fans in the gym.
The students (and parents, etc.) loved it. It increased the spirit and did bring students back. Also having a good group of cheerleaders helped increase student involvement.
McMurry has a reasonable number of students who plan to teach music in the public schools in Texas, and most of the country doesn't understand how competitive high school band and Uinversity Interscholastic League (UIL) is in Texas.
Allen High School Stadium (http://www.texasbob.com/stadium/stadium.php?id=1292) Architectural drawing (Allen HS nickname is the Eagles)
New Allen ISD Stadium (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/mwixon/stories/041810dnspowixon.2c5af65.html)
Pull quote...
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... Certainly not from fans who've attended games at Eagle Stadium and haven't been able to find a seat or have had to use the portable toilets brought in for games. The new stadium isn't as much of an attempt to "keep up with the Joneses" as an attempt to keep up with a growing city of nearly 85,000 and a growing school that now has more than 5,000 students. Allen's marching band alone has 600 members.
"With the band and band parents alone, they might need that new stadium," joked Tom Kimbrough, the legendary Plano football coach who is now Plano ISD's executive director of facilities services. Kimbrough was on the sidelines when Plano's 14,224-seat Wildcat Stadium, later renamed John Clark Stadium, opened in 1977. That stadium is still one of the bigger ones in the area, but he doesn't remember any negative reaction to its size.
The McMurry and HSU bands have proud legacies and numerous, proud alumni to support them. Many players in the McMurry band just enjoy playing music as a lifelong interest.
I cannot understand why a D-III college cannot affirm the interest and the love of participating in the arts that a college band experience provides.
TLU lead Miss College in an elimination game. I wonder what happens to the regional rankings if tlu knocks off MC. Will tlu jump over MC if tlu wins tonight and doesn't win the tourney tomorrow?
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 08, 2010, 07:21:10 PM
TLU lead Miss College in an elimination game. I wonder what happens to the regional rankings if tlu knocks off MC. Will tlu jump over MC if tlu wins tonight and doesn't win the tourney tomorrow?
QuoteWest Region
1. Chapman 23-4 26-8 Pool B
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10 NWC CLINCHED
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29-9 SCIAC CLINCHED
4. Mississippi College 30-4 34-7 ASC
5. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7 SCAC CLINCHED
6. Texas Lutheran 28-11 31-11 ASC
I am not sure where UTT is just off the list of teams, but as it stands, this head-to-head elimination game between Mississippi College and TLU may be for a bid.
The Pool C bid will probably come from Texas with Redland's loss to Chapman this afternoon in the first of a twin bill at Chapman.
Redlands came back and took the second game. Chapman wins series 2-1.
Great game in Sequin; if TLU beats MC, I think that would assure the ASC of 2 spots. The question would be which 2 teams?
If MC loses; does that open the door for PLU? ???
Quote from: ILVBB on May 08, 2010, 07:50:59 PM
If MC loses; does that open the door for PLU? ???
We should know when we see the Regional Rankings next Thursday
MC-TLU all knotted at six after eight.
I still think MC gets a Pool C if they don't win the ASC.
Update: MC gets two in the top of the ninth to lead 8-6.
Update 2: TLU ties it up with a single, double, single and has a runner on first with nobody out.
Update 3: TLU has runners on the corners w/two outs.
Update 4: Cowart gets a big K to end the threat and send the game into extra innings.
Update 5: Game suspended, will resume tomorrow at 11am. Guess there are no lights at Katt-Isbel Field?
West Region
Chapman POOL B (Official on May 16th)
Linfield NWC POOL A
Pomona-Pitzer SCIAC POOL A
Trinity (Texas) SCAC POOL A
TBD on May 9th ASC POOL A ???
TBD on May 16th POOL C ???
Quote from: ILVBB on May 08, 2010, 07:49:23 PM
Great game in Sequin; if TLU beats MC, I think that would assure the ASC of 2 spots. The question would be which 2 teams?
If MC can't get the win today and TLU loses to Tyler to also be up for pool c selection, MC would have a significantly stronger resume. And also much better than Pacific Lutheran.
If that happens:
MC 31-6
TLU 30-13
PLU 23-10
MC and TLU would have close to identical criteria with MC also having a 7-loss edge. MC has eight more wins and four fewer losses than PLU, and could jump them in SOS after this weekend. Those teams are not in the same discussion on selection day IMO.
I think MC should be safe at this point. They have a great record but SOS has held them back, but after this weekend that should jump over .500 and more to the middle of the nation. But like some other posters have pointed out, I wouldn't be surprised if MC ends up in a different regional.
BUT what happens if MC gets sent/bussed to South Regional....????
Does that open the door for PLU or TLU ?
As I recall POOL C is decided on NATIONAL not regional basis ??? So you need to really look beyond just this region. Remember a few years back Linfield a West Region team was sent to another region won it and ended up with 2 teams from the West in Appleton.....
Does MC, PLU, TLU stronger that other potential Pool C bids is the bigger question ?
My opinion is one of the West region teams will get shipped and play in another regional this year.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 09, 2010, 10:39:08 AM
BUT what happens if MC gets sent/bussed to South Regional....????
Does that open the door for PLU or TLU ?
I think that PLU's or TLU's getting a Pool C bid is what permits the NCAA to
fly Mississippi College 765 miles to Augustana /Rock Island or 847 miles to Methodist University or 897 miles to Marietta.
Which plane ticket is cheapest?
If Tyler wins the ASC; I think they go to Portland (non-stop out of Dallas) and Trinity gets shipped (2.5 hours to Chicago vs 8 hours to Portalnd). If TLU wins; both Trinity and TLU end up on the same plane.
If MC wins; then they get shipped out.
Isn't speculation fun!
;D ::)
Since were playing speculation games and having fun guessing...What happens
IF there rain is forecasted all week in Oregon. They do have turf field so it guess it allows games to be played.....
A few years ago forecasted heavy rain/Thunderstorms all week long got the venue changed at the last minute from McMurray in Texas to CA a few days before it started. Doubt that would happen now...but there is precedence...
Looks like West Region teams may be set. All teams have finished their season.
Here is what it may look like.
West Region Teams
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th)
Will the NCAA make any changes ?
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 09, 2010, 06:04:33 PM
Looks like West Region teams may be set. All teams have finished their season.
Here is what it may look like.
West Region Teams
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th)
Will the NCAA make any changes ?
That is one tough regional. I bet TU draws chapman first game....
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 09, 2010, 06:04:33 PM
Looks like West Region teams may be set. All teams have finished their season.
Here is what it may look like.
West Region Teams
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th)
Will the NCAA make any changes ?
Maybe one more Pool C, Texas Lutheran or Pac Lutheran or someone else, and Mississippi College gets shipped to the Central. Not too many good candidates for Pool C over there.
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 09, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 09, 2010, 06:04:33 PM
Looks like West Region teams may be set. All teams have finished their season.
Here is what it may look like.
West Region Teams
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th)
Will the NCAA make any changes ?
Maybe one more Pool C, Texas Lutheran or Pac Lutheran or someone else, and Mississippi College gets shipped to the Central. Not too many good candidates for Pool C over there.
My only concern is that the Central Region will have a team on the table thru 15 rounds and will not get taken?
My only concern is that the Central Region will have a team on the table thru 15 rounds and will not get taken?
Maybe this is the year that we fill regions with the best teams and damn the regional rankings!
Quote from: ILVBB on May 09, 2010, 06:39:03 PM
My only concern is that the Central Region will have a team on the table thru 15 rounds and will not get taken?
Maybe this is the year that we fill regions with the best teams and damn the regional rankings!
Amen to that idea....Hey 3 West Region teams in 3 Regionals could mean 3 West teams in
Appleton ??. I am sure this will generate some discussion.....
Last year's one Pool C one from the Central, 19-12 St. Norbert went to the Midwest. It looks like that same scenario is possible again, with St. Norbert having a similar non-impressive record.
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 09, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 09, 2010, 06:04:33 PM
Looks like West Region teams may be set. All teams have finished their season.
Here is what it may look like.
West Region Teams
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th)
Will the NCAA make any changes ?
Maybe one more Pool C, Texas Lutheran or Pac Lutheran or someone else, and Mississippi College gets shipped to the Central. Not too many good candidates for Pool C over there.
This could mean it looks like this....
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Pool C(Pac Lu or Texas Lu or Cal Lu)
Shipped to another Region
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th)
[/quote]
This could mean it looks like this....
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Pool C(Pac Lu or Texas Lu or Cal Lu)
Shipped to another Region
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th)
[/quote]
Why not:
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Pool C(Pac Lu and Texas Lu or Cal Lu)
Shipped out:
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A (midwest or central)
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th) (south)
Quote from: ILVBB on May 09, 2010, 07:26:16 PM
This could mean it looks like this....
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Pool C(Pac Lu or Texas Lu or Cal Lu)
Shipped to another Region
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th)
[/quote]
Why not:
Chapman Independent Pool B(will be official on May 16th)
Pomona-Pitzer won SCIAC Pool A
Linfield won NWC Pool A
Texas-Tyler won ASC Pool A
Pool C(Pac Lu
and Texas Lu or Cal Lu)
Shipped out:
Trinity(TX) won SCAC Pool A (midwest or central)
Mississippi College ASC Pool C(will be official May 16th) (south)
[/quote]That would mean the West would get 3 pool C bids, that might be a record.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2010, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 09, 2010, 10:39:08 AM
BUT what happens if MC gets sent/bussed to South Regional....????
Does that open the door for PLU or TLU ?
I think that PLU's or TLU's getting a Pool C bid is what permits the NCAA to fly Mississippi College 765 miles to Augustana /Rock Island or 847 miles to Methodist University or 897 miles to Marietta.
Which plane ticket is cheapest?
Just looking at the regional records and SOS, I think TLU will be close to the pool c bubble depending on what happens in other parts of the country. Comparing Redlands, TLU and PLU, I think PLU is a definite third team in the group and Redlands and TLU are very close.
My guess at regional rankings would be
1. Chapman
2. Linfield
3. Pomona Pitzer
4-5. MC or Tyler (it doesn't matter, but they are close this week)
6. Trinity
With the three extra pool c bids this year, the West Region #7 could get in to allow MC to head to another regional. At this point I think it would be TLU.
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 10, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Yeah but what about
the next Thursday!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 10, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Yeah but what about the next Thursday!
Last year it was beautiful in Oregon AFTER games got pushed one day for rain..So I hope the same this year...
Looks like rain starting on the 18th and 19th but it could change by then
http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/97128
Link to West Regional Information
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/ncaaregional.html
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 10, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Yeah but what about the next Thursday!
Crap...I got my dates mixed up...too bad because it looks like perfect weather this week for it...
Team thru May 9th InRegion Win % OWP OOWP SOS
239 Mississippi Coll 32-6 0.842 0.487 0.517 0.497 :)
15 Chapman 25-5 0.833 0.577 0.510 0.555 :)
311 Trinity (Texas) 28-6 0.824 0.448 0.519 0.472 :)
118 Linfield 28-7 0.800 0.522 0.502 0.515 :)
183 Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 0.794 0.501 0.515 0.506 :)
81 Texas-Tyler 31-9 0.775 0.537 0.497 0.524 :)
217 Pacific Lutheran 23-10 0.697 0.493 0.496 0.494 ???
215 Cal Lutheran 25-11 0.694 0.495 0.511 0.500 ???
224 Texas Lutheran 29-13 0.690 0.492 0.498 0.494 ???
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 11, 2010, 12:14:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 10, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Yeah but what about the next Thursday!
I got my dates mixed up...too bad because it looks like perfect weather this week for it...
Yeah, just as I thought. The good weather system comes in this week, and then the rain returns for the next week. :-\
239 Mississippi Coll 32-6 0.842 0.487 0.517 0.497 :)
Six losses by Mississippi College:
UT-Tyler (2-3)
Millsaps (2-1)
The other 2 in-region losses are to UTDallas and UOzarks.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 12:23:02 AM
Team thru May 9th InRegion Win % OWP OOWP SOS
239 Mississippi Coll 32-6 0.842 0.487 0.517 0.497 :) Pool C
15 Chapman 25-5 0.833 0.577 0.510 0.555 :) Pool B
311 Trinity (Texas) 28-6 0.824 0.448 0.519 0.472 :) SCAC
118 Linfield 28-7 0.800 0.522 0.502 0.515 :) NWC
183 Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 0.794 0.501 0.515 0.506 :) SCIAC
81 Texas-Tyler 31-9 0.775 0.537 0.497 0.524 :) ASC
217 Pacific Lutheran 23-10 0.697 0.493 0.496 0.494 ???
215 Cal Lutheran 25-11 0.694 0.495 0.511 0.500 ???
224 Texas Lutheran 29-13 0.690 0.492 0.498 0.494 ???
Nice 6-team bracket... ;)
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 12:23:02 AM
Team thru May 9th InRegion Win % OWP OOWP SOS
239 Mississippi Coll 32-6 0.842 0.487 0.517 0.497 :)
15 Chapman 25-5 0.833 0.577 0.510 0.555 :)
311 Trinity (Texas) 28-6 0.824 0.448 0.519 0.472 :)
118 Linfield 28-7 0.800 0.522 0.502 0.515 :)
183 Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 0.794 0.501 0.515 0.506 :)
81 Texas-Tyler 31-9 0.775 0.537 0.497 0.524 :)
217 Pacific Lutheran 23-10 0.697 0.493 0.496 0.494 ???
215 Cal Lutheran 25-11 0.694 0.495 0.511 0.500 ???
224 Texas Lutheran 29-13 0.690 0.492 0.498 0.494 ???
Where would Redlands fall in all of this, if at all?
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2010/04/21/7316/strength-of-schedule-ratings.html
Lower winning percentage, only milder better SOS than the three listed "below the line."
Quote from: SCIAC FAN! on May 11, 2010, 12:57:47 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 12:23:02 AM
Team thru May 9th InRegion Win % OWP OOWP SOS
239 Mississippi Coll 32-6 0.842 0.487 0.517 0.497 :)
15 Chapman 25-5 0.833 0.577 0.510 0.555 :)
311 Trinity (Texas) 28-6 0.824 0.448 0.519 0.472 :)
118 Linfield 28-7 0.800 0.522 0.502 0.515 :)
183 Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 0.794 0.501 0.515 0.506 :)
81 Texas-Tyler 31-9 0.775 0.537 0.497 0.524 :)
217 Pacific Lutheran 23-10 0.697 0.493 0.496 0.494 ???
215 Cal Lutheran 25-11 0.694 0.495 0.511 0.500 ???
224 Texas Lutheran 29-13 0.690 0.492 0.498 0.494 ???
155 Redlands 24-11 .686 .510 .514 .511 ???
Where would Redlands fall in all of this, if at all?
Any hope for any of the below line teams above in getting one of the Pool C bids ?
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 01:26:20 AM
Quote from: SCIAC FAN! on May 11, 2010, 12:57:47 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 12:23:02 AM
Team thru May 9th InRegion Win % OWP OOWP SOS
239 Mississippi Coll 32-6 0.842 0.487 0.517 0.497 :)
15 Chapman 25-5 0.833 0.577 0.510 0.555 :)
311 Trinity (Texas) 28-6 0.824 0.448 0.519 0.472 :)
118 Linfield 28-7 0.800 0.522 0.502 0.515 :)
183 Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 0.794 0.501 0.515 0.506 :)
81 Texas-Tyler 31-9 0.775 0.537 0.497 0.524 :)
217 Pacific Lutheran 23-10 0.697 0.493 0.496 0.494 ???
215 Cal Lutheran 25-11 0.694 0.495 0.511 0.500 ???
224 Texas Lutheran 29-13 0.690 0.492 0.498 0.494 ???
155 Redlands 24-11 .686 .510 .514 .511 ???
Where would Redlands fall in all of this, if at all?
Any hope for any of the below line teams above in getting one of the Pool C bids ?
Wow those four are really really close... the biggest question is where they'll stand against the other Pool C's from across the nation once all the conference tournament games are played and we see who's been dropped to Pool C contention. With the numbers here, there doesn't seem to be any clear cut favorite.. Cal Lu and Redlands have better SOS, Pac Lu has a slightly better winning percentage, and Tex Lu is right there in the mix too.
It seems to me that Pac Lu might be the most logical choice, if only one gets selected. They can bus to Linfield, and that would cut down MC's travel a bit depending on which regional they'd be shipped to.
As a Sagehen fan, speaking strictly on matchups, I personally would much rather see Redlands in a regional than Cal Lu. Redlands has been going through an awful stretch and seems quite vulnerable, while Cal Lu is surging with their horses on the mound finally coming around.
Can't say I know much about Pac Lu or Tex Lu, but they both seem to be playing solid ball right despite some slight falters at the end of the season. Regardless, the West regional appears to be as balanced as its ever been. While Chapman may be a clear 1 seed, they certainly don't stand out as much as they have in previous years, and I think 2-6 (whatever they end up being) are really fairly interchangeable.
Quote from: bluesagehen4747 on May 11, 2010, 07:35:28 AM
As a Sagehen fan, speaking strictly on matchups, I personally would much rather see Redlands in a regional than Cal Lu. Redlands has been going through an awful stretch and seems quite vulnerable, while Cal Lu is surging with their horses on the mound finally coming around.
Can't say I know much about Pac Lu or Tex Lu, but they both seem to be playing solid ball right despite some slight falters at the end of the season. Regardless, the West regional appears to be as balanced as its ever been. While Chapman may be a clear 1 seed, they certainly don't stand out as much as they have in previous years, and I think 2-6 (whatever they end up being) are really fairly interchangeable.
Cal Lu was 9-1 in its last 10 games(Not a factor used to pick Poll C teams). Its a real tossup if any team outside of MC gets a Pool C bid at all. They will all have to wait until May 16th to find out.
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 11, 2010, 12:14:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 10, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Yeah but what about the next Thursday!
Crap...I got my dates mixed up...too bad because it looks like perfect weather this week for it...
Linfield has a all turf infield so I dont see this being a problem getting games in:
Current McMinnville Weather ForecastWed 5/19/2010 68° 48° Periods of rain
Thu 5/20/2010 59° 39° Cooler with occasional rain
Fri 5/21/2010 59° 38° Rain at times
Sat 5/22/2010 59° 41° Plenty of clouds with rain
Sun 5/23/2010 60° 40° Overcast with rain
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 11, 2010, 12:14:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 10, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Yeah but what about the next Thursday!
Crap...I got my dates mixed up...too bad because it looks like perfect weather this week for it...
Linfield has a all turf infield so I dont see this being a problem getting games in:
Current McMinnville Weather Forecast
Wed 5/19/2010 68° 48° Periods of rain
Thu 5/20/2010 59° 39° Cooler with occasional rain
Fri 5/21/2010 59° 38° Rain at times
Sat 5/22/2010 59° 41° Plenty of clouds with rain
Sun 5/23/2010 60° 40° Overcast with rain
Well...the good thing being in the PacNW is that by next Tuesday that forecast could be completely different. I think the Baseball weather gods will smile on the regional (I hope).
And the turf can take a good amount of rain...the only dirt they have to take care of is the mound.
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 11, 2010, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 11, 2010, 12:14:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 10, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Yeah but what about the next Thursday!
Crap...I got my dates mixed up...too bad because it looks like perfect weather this week for it...
Linfield has a all turf infield so I dont see this being a problem getting games in:
Current McMinnville Weather Forecast
Wed 5/19/2010 68° 48° Periods of rain
Thu 5/20/2010 59° 39° Cooler with occasional rain
Fri 5/21/2010 59° 38° Rain at times
Sat 5/22/2010 59° 41° Plenty of clouds with rain
Sun 5/23/2010 60° 40° Overcast with rain
Well...the good thing being in the PacNW is that by next Tuesday that forecast could be completely different. I think the Baseball weather gods will smile on the regional (I hope).
And the turf can take a good amount of rain...the only dirt they have to take care of is the mound.
What is the over/under of the numbers of hours in the tournament that the thermometer will register at higher than 60 degrees Fahrenheit for the entire tourney? ;D
What is the over/under of the numbers of hours in the tournament that the thermometer will register at higher than 60 degrees Fahrenheit for the entire tourney?
I'd put it at 9 hours
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2010, 01:40:44 PM
What is the over/under of the numbers of hours in the tournament that the thermometer will register at higher than 60 degrees Fahrenheit for the entire tourney?
I'd put it at 9 hours
that sucks.
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 11, 2010, 04:18:28 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2010, 01:40:44 PM
What is the over/under of the numbers of hours in the tournament that the thermometer will register at higher than 60 degrees Fahrenheit for the entire tourney?
I'd put it at 9 hours
that sucks.
Updated Weather forecast. Rain, Cold.....
http://www.accuweather.com/us/or/mcminnville/97128/forecast-month.asp
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2010, 07:55:33 AM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 11, 2010, 04:18:28 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2010, 01:40:44 PM
What is the over/under of the numbers of hours in the tournament that the thermometer will register at higher than 60 degrees Fahrenheit for the entire tourney?
I'd put it at 9 hours
that sucks.
Updated Weather forecast. Rain, Cold.....
http://www.accuweather.com/us/or/mcminnville/97128/forecast-month.asp
with all of the great weather places to play in the west region....what a shame.
I'm telling you crash, I bet that baby will be played in beautiful, sunny. so cal.
Quote from: diviiibbjunkie on May 12, 2010, 08:08:07 AM
I'm telling you crash, I bet that baby will be played in beautiful, sunny. so cal.
If they did, that would save one flight.....
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 12, 2010, 08:44:18 AM
Quote from: diviiibbjunkie on May 12, 2010, 08:08:07 AM
I'm telling you crash, I bet that baby will be played in beautiful, sunny. so cal.
If they did, that would save one flight.....
Save 2 flights(Pomona, Chapman).but add 1(Linfield).
.Also it has happen once before....2007 scheduled for Abilene @ McMurry at the last minute due to week long forecasted bad weather its was moved to Orange, CA..
.I just don't see that happening again since Field Turf can take the water...But rain, cold is no fun playing baseball in or watching it either..I hope it clears up and weather forecast changes for Oregon. Weather was beautiful last year after 1 day of rained out games. Warm weather and blue skies in Oregon. I am hoping the later in the week the weather forecast could be the same.
CA weather forecast
http://www.accuweather.com/us/ca/orange/92856/forecast-month.asp?view=table
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 12, 2010, 08:06:49 AM
with all of the great weather places to play in the west region....what a shame.
Please, the Linfield regional received nothing but high praise last year and the weather report is going to change as the week rolls along.
Quote from: diviiibbjunkie on May 12, 2010, 08:08:07 AM
I'm telling you crash, I bet that baby will be played in beautiful, sunny. so cal.
Crazy... table for one. Crazy? Crazy?
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 12, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 12, 2010, 08:06:49 AM
with all of the great weather places to play in the west region....what a shame.
Please, the Linfield regional received nothing but high praise last year and the weather report is going to change as the week rolls along.
I agree 100%...Linfield is outstanding venue and we do want the weather to change.......
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 12, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 12, 2010, 08:06:49 AM
with all of the great weather places to play in the west region....what a shame.
Please, the Linfield regional received nothing but high praise last year and the weather report is going to change as the week rolls along.
I am sure it did and will receive rave reviews, as long as it is not 50s and rainy.....
LOL, they had the soccer final four in San Antonio this year, partly because of complaints about cold weather at past final fours .... so of course there were flurries during the first game.
Weather's gonna be a factor no matter where games are held, sometimes you luck out, sometimes you don't, but it's the same for all the teams so why worry.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 12, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
LOL, they had the soccer final four in San Antonio this year, partly because of complaints about cold weather at past final fours .... so of course there were flurries during the first game.
Weather's gonna be a factor no matter where games are held, sometimes you luck out, sometimes you don't, but it's the same for all the teams so why worry.
That is funny....Soccer in rain/snow/cold flurries is not same as baseball. But your right you could get sunburned without your sunscreen in SoCal.
Quote from: bluesagehen4747 on May 11, 2010, 07:35:28 AM
As a Sagehen fan, speaking strictly on matchups, I personally would much rather see Redlands in a regional than Cal Lu. Redlands has been going through an awful stretch and seems quite vulnerable, while Cal Lu is surging with their horses on the mound finally coming around.
Can't say I know much about Pac Lu or Tex Lu, but they both seem to be playing solid ball right despite some slight falters at the end of the season. Regardless, the West regional appears to be as balanced as its ever been. While Chapman may be a clear 1 seed, they certainly don't stand out as much as they have in previous years, and I think 2-6 (whatever they end up being) are really fairly interchangeable.
This will be a oustanding regional. No dominate team. Chapman has beat and lost to Linfield and Pomona. Texas-Tyler has beat and lost to Mississippi College. Trinity has lost to McMurry which Chapman beat. Pac Lu if they get in as a #6 also beat and lost to Linfield.
Looks like who ever gets hot for a week can win this. Anyone can beat anyone....I think it will get down to who evers pitches the best after their #1 has thrown will win this.
Latest regional rankings.
West Region In-Region Overall Record
1. Chapman 25-5 30-9
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29-9
4. Texas-Tyler 31-9 35-10
5. Mississippi College 32-6 36-9
6. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7
If it stays like that, I think that is the best case scenario for TU. I know they would get champan in the first game, but I would like to see Klimesh go against Chapman's #1...we will know where TU stands after the first game.
I like the East meets West flair of the first round. West Coast teams have generally faired well in those matchups.
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 13, 2010, 04:06:50 PM
Latest regional rankings.
West Region In-Region Overall Record
1. Chapman 25-5 30-9
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29-9
4. Texas-Tyler 31-9 35-10
5. Mississippi College 32-6 36-9
6. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7
I don't agree with Pomona-Pitzer ahead of the two ASC teams, but other than that it's about how I thought it should go. I didn't agree with Linfield either a few weeks ago but they've earned it going 8-2 in their final ten games against Chapman, George Fox and Pacific Lutheran. I wonder who the #7 team would be?
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 13, 2010, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 13, 2010, 04:06:50 PM
Latest regional rankings.
West Region In-Region Overall Record
1. Chapman 25-5 30-9
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29-9
4. Texas-Tyler 31-9 35-10
5. Mississippi College 32-6 36-9
6. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7
I don't agree with Pomona-Pitzer ahead of the two ASC teams, but other than that it's about how I thought it should go. I didn't agree with Linfield either a few weeks ago but they've earned it going 8-2 in their final ten games against Chapman, George Fox and Pacific Lutheran. I wonder who the #7 team would be?
#7 could be real important and could move into the #6 seed if Mississippi gets sent to another region. Could make the matchups game 1 must different than you see here.
The west coast teams are all ranked ahead of the Texas and ASC teams in the region. The records don't necessarily indicate that ranking as Trinity and MC both have better in region records than all of the west coast teams except for Chapman. I am sure part of the reason is the lack of performance historically by the ASC and other Texas teams in the regional tournament. Until the ASC and Trinity proves they can actually win a regional tournamnet this will not change.
Quote from: TexasBB on May 14, 2010, 12:08:24 AM
The west coast teams are all ranked ahead of the Texas and ASC teams in the region. The records don't necessarily indicate that ranking as Trinity and MC both have better in region records than all of the west coast teams except for Chapman. I am sure part of the reason is the lack of performance historically by the ASC and other Texas teams in the regional tournament. Until the ASC and Trinity proves they can actually win a regional tournamnet this will not change.
Eh, I don't know if that's the line of thinking.
Trinity is runner up to George Fox in '04
TLU is runner up to Chapman in '05
TLU is runner up to Chapman in '06
Pac Lu is runner up to Chapman in '07
Trinity is runner up to Chapman in '08
George Fox is runner up to Chapman in '09
In the last five years
nobody save Chapman has proven they can win the West regional and the the ASC and the SCAC have represented just fine in comparison to the NWC. If any conference has yet to make a serious run it's the SCIAC.
JSG
I think that is changing this year.
This is the toughest West Regional in some time for Chapman.
A team besides Chapman is flying to Appleton
Quote from: TexasBB on May 14, 2010, 12:08:24 AM
The west coast teams are all ranked ahead of the Texas and ASC teams in the region. The records don't necessarily indicate that ranking as Trinity and MC both have better in region records than all of the west coast teams except for Chapman. I am sure part of the reason is the lack of performance historically by the ASC and other Texas teams in the regional tournament. Until the ASC and Trinity proves they can actually win a regional tournamnet this will not change.
Rankings don't take "reputation" or "history" into account; Trinity and the ASC teams lose out on OWP and OOWP. MC and TU actually have a better record against in-region ranked teams than any of the other ranked teams, but it's not enough to make up the OWP/OOWP disparity. Not playing the three games against Millsaps at the end of the season really hurt Trinity's OWP.
All that said, in this observer's eyes they are over-emphasizing OWP/OOWP; records and performance against regionally ranked teams should count as much but that surely doesn't seem to be the case. Here are the stats the NCAA used in this week's rankings:
Reg. Tot In Reg vs Reg.
# School W-L W-L OWP OOWP SOS* Ranked Teams
===================================================================
1. Chapman 25-5 30- 9 0.577 0.508 0.554 4-3-0 (.571)
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10 0.522 0.502 0.515 2-2-0 (.500)
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29- 9 0.501 0.515 0.506 1-2-0 (.333)
4. Texas-Tyler 31-9 35-10 0.538 0.497 0.525 3-4-0 (.429)
5. Miss College 32-6 36- 9 0.486 0.518 0.496 4-1-0 (.800)
6. Trinity (TX) 28-6 32- 7 0.446 0.518 0.470 3-1-0 (.750)
* - "Weighted OWP-OOWP"
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 14, 2010, 09:36:51 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 14, 2010, 12:08:24 AM
The west coast teams are all ranked ahead of the Texas and ASC teams in the region. The records don't necessarily indicate that ranking as Trinity and MC both have better in region records than all of the west coast teams except for Chapman. I am sure part of the reason is the lack of performance historically by the ASC and other Texas teams in the regional tournament. Until the ASC and Trinity proves they can actually win a regional tournamnet this will not change.
Rankings don't take "reputation" or "history" into account; Trinity and the ASC teams lose out on OWP and OOWP. MC and TU actually have a better record against in-region ranked teams than any of the other ranked teams, but it's not enough to make up the OWP/OOWP disparity. Not playing the three games against Millsaps at the end of the season really hurt Trinity's OWP.
All that said, in this observer's eyes they are over-emphasizing OWP/OOWP; records and performance against regionally ranked teams should count as much but that surely doesn't seem to be the case. Here are the stats the NCAA used in this week's rankings:
Reg. Tot In Reg vs Reg.
# School W-L W-L OWP OOWP SOS* Ranked Teams
===================================================================
1. Chapman 25-5 30- 9 0.577 0.508 0.554 4-3-0 (.571)
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10 0.522 0.502 0.515 2-2-0 (.500)
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29- 9 0.501 0.515 0.506 1-2-0 (.333)
4. Texas-Tyler 31-9 35-10 0.538 0.497 0.525 3-4-0 (.429)
5. Miss College 32-6 36- 9 0.486 0.518 0.496 4-1-0 (.800)
6. Trinity (TX) 28-6 32- 7 0.446 0.518 0.470 3-1-0 (.750)
* - "Weighted OWP-OOWP"
I agree with you on the OWP/OOWP/SOS.....Lower numbers are a product of having to play teams in conference with poor records and do not truly reflect the relative strength of a team.
I personally like record of against regionally ranked teams and in-region winning percentage to
to used before OWP/OOWP/SOS which should be more of a tie breaker type factor....but to use this number also does not make sense if teams have not played the same number games against regionally ranked teams.....In the example given teams could have additional losses if they played the same # of games against regionally ranked or more wins...A inexact science at best. I really like an earlier example of your record vs against 30, 25, 20 win teams.....but.....
BUT once your at the regional you can throw these numbers out the door since you have to win it on the field and honestly it dont matter if your a #1 seed or a #6 seed, you got to win it on the field to get to Appleton and nobody really cares about your reputation or history or what you have done in prior years.
So let's look at P-P (#3) and Trinity (#6):
In-region: P-P .794, TU .824
Overall: P-P .763, TU .821
In-reg SOS: P-P .506, TU .470
vs. Regionally Ranked: P-P .333, TU .750
So why is P-P ranked so much higher? a .036 differential in SOS outweighs everything else? Nuts. You can make a similar (and in some ways superior) comparison between MC and P-P.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 14, 2010, 10:11:46 AM
So let's look at P-P (#3) and Trinity (#6):
In-region: P-P .794, TU .824
Overall: P-P .763, TU .821
In-reg SOS: P-P .506, TU .470
vs. Regionally Ranked: P-P .333, TU .750
So why is P-P ranked so much higher? a .036 differential in SOS outweighs everything else? Nuts. You can make a similar (and in some ways superior) comparison between MC and P-P.
Math does not explain the why's in the cases cited. I always scratch my head too.....
It seems as always personal bias, opinions somehow gets in the way of what makes sense...Not sure if you can ever remove that with humans involved.
Once again I think the focus is get to the dance and prove where you belong. on the field..After its all done nobody cares if your ranked 6 or 1 if you dont go to Appleton..Look at last year rankings before the regional last year and look where they finished.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 14, 2010, 02:02:02 AM
I think that is changing this year.
This is the toughest West Regional in some time for Chapman.
A team besides Chapman is flying to Appleton
I was thinking about this last night, but there's certainly not a
clear candidate to win it. I think it'll be dependent on Ruah winning game #1 for them. I don't think they have the depth (i.e. the horses Klovstad, Drag, Kitchens, Yacko) to bring back later in order to win 2 in a row against 1 team the way they did against TLU in '05 and Pac Lutheran in '07.
McGee, Levitt, Osaki are all guys that these teams will be able to get to.
The thing is that most of these teams don't have a lot of depth after 2 guys.
Is Linfield the most likely to upset? Pomona wouldn't scare me at all, especially once Colvin is done. Tyler played well in the ASC tournament, but I don't think they have the pitching to get it done, and while TU has better sticks I'm not sure they do either. IF Mississippi's plane does land out west and Bennett thinks he can go and Seamen/Cowart are fresh and there's a hint of Prescott being back I think they have a chance. But that's a lot of "ands."
Should be a great regional.
JSG
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 14, 2010, 10:11:46 AM
So let's look at P-P (#3) and Trinity (#6):
In-region: P-P .794, TU .824
Overall: P-P .763, TU .821
In-reg SOS: P-P .506, TU .470
vs. Regionally Ranked: P-P .333, TU .750
So why is P-P ranked so much higher? a .036 differential in SOS outweighs everything else? Nuts. You can make a similar (and in some ways superior) comparison between MC and P-P.
Ron,
I agree with that. MC is behind PP because of a weaker schedule as well? Based on my understanding MC is actually 6-4 against regionally ranked teams, I don't know where where the 4-1 is from. And honestly, it's really 7-4 practically because they beat Birmingham Southern who does count as a regional game and everyone knows they are the #1 team in the South.
And that's not completely fair to PP because the eight games against Redlands and Cal Lutheran were tough, regardless if they are ranked. My problem is how MC can have such a weak SOS when the truth is that MC has played one of the tougher schedules in the country and probably has more wins against top teams than just about anybody.
And it's not anything against the CA teams, I know they will probably get the short end when national selection comes up along with TLU.
It gets harder every year to follow this stuff, it's like banging your head against a wall. I just can't decide if I get more frustrated with the actual process or its ambiguous implementation by different committees. It's probably both.
All of the MC vs PP vs TLU vs XYZ State vs anyone else comparisons say one thing... SoS is valued way above anything else in the committee's eyes.
Bodes well for teams with a solid SoS that fall into Pool C.
Weather looking better.. ;D
Hope it holds up or improves...
http://www.accuweather.com/us/or/mcminnville/97128/forecast-month.asp
ITS OFFICIAL ;D
Hosted by Linfield College, McMinnville, Oregon
1. Chapman (30-9)
2. Linfield (30-10)
3. Pomona-Pitzer (29-9)
4. Texas-Tyler (35-10)
5. Mississippi College (36-9)
6. Trinity (Texas) (32-7)
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 03:31:12 AM
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
Ahhh...most of it looks like showers...not a big deal this time of the year. :D
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 17, 2010, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 03:31:12 AM
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
Ahhh...most of it looks like showers...not a big deal this time of the year. :D
Here's a frightening quote from the handbook:
"If inclement weather is involved, the last possible time a
regional championship game will be permitted to start is 9 p.m. local time Monday,
May 24. If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by this
time, one team will be selected by the committee."
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 17, 2010, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 03:31:12 AM
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by this
time, one team will be selected by the committee ???
Ahhh...most of it looks like showers...not a big deal this time of the year. :D
"NOT THE COMMITTEE" . Let just play it on the field....
Yep wet and cold. We just pack a little more thats all......but its much better than staying home....Should be a great tournament, great teams, great venue, great area, great hosts, great wineries, great food...cant wait to get there.... ;D
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 17, 2010, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 03:31:12 AM
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by this
time, one team will be selected by the committee ???
Ahhh...most of it looks like showers...not a big deal this time of the year. :D
"NOT THE COMMITTEE" . Let just play it on the field....
Yep wet and cold. We just pack a little more thats all......but its much better than staying home....Should be a great tournament, great teams, great venue, great area, great hosts, great wineries, great food...cant wait to get there.... ;D
If you're going to eat brew pub type of food on 3rd street then don't get sucked in by the looks of Hotel Oregon...Golden Valley Brewery has MUCH better food. Hotel Oregon is great if you just want to get some drinks and hang out.
However, if you're really craving an awesome greasy burger then hit the Deluxe. Total dive bar but their Double with Fries is out of this world. Best part (for me at least) is Oregon is smoke free in all restaurants and bars.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2010, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 11, 2010, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 11, 2010, 12:14:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 10, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Yeah but what about the next Thursday!
Crap...I got my dates mixed up...too bad because it looks like perfect weather this week for it...
Linfield has a all turf infield so I dont see this being a problem getting games in:
Current McMinnville Weather Forecast
Wed 5/19/2010 68° 48° Periods of rain
Thu 5/20/2010 59° 39° Cooler with occasional rain
Fri 5/21/2010 59° 38° Rain at times
Sat 5/22/2010 59° 41° Plenty of clouds with rain
Sun 5/23/2010 60° 40° Overcast with rain
Well...the good thing being in the PacNW is that by next Tuesday that forecast could be completely different. I think the Baseball weather gods will smile on the regional (I hope).
And the turf can take a good amount of rain...the only dirt they have to take care of is the mound.
What is the over/under of the numbers of hours in the tournament that the thermometer will register at higher than 60 degrees Fahrenheit for the entire tourney? ;D
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 03:31:12 AM
ITS OFFICIAL ;D
Hosted by Linfield College, McMinnville, Oregon
1. Chapman (30-9)
2. Linfield (30-10)
3. Pomona-Pitzer (29-9)
4. Texas-Tyler (35-10)
5. Mississippi College (36-9)
6. Trinity (Texas) (32-7)
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
Right now the over/under looks to be about 3-4, all of those occurring on Sunday afternoon! ::)
Think single-ellimination. ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2010, 05:32:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2010, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 11, 2010, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 11, 2010, 12:14:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 10, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Weather Report for the McMinnville/Portland area is looking pretty dang good starting on Thursday.
Thurs: Mostly Sunny, high of 75
Friday: Times of Clouds, high of 71
Sat: Partly Sunny and breezy, high of 70
Sun: Partly Sunny, high of 68
Yeah but what about the next Thursday!
Crap...I got my dates mixed up...too bad because it looks like perfect weather this week for it...
Linfield has a all turf infield so I dont see this being a problem getting games in:
Current McMinnville Weather Forecast
Wed 5/19/2010 68° 48° Periods of rain
Thu 5/20/2010 59° 39° Cooler with occasional rain
Fri 5/21/2010 59° 38° Rain at times
Sat 5/22/2010 59° 41° Plenty of clouds with rain
Sun 5/23/2010 60° 40° Overcast with rain
Well...the good thing being in the PacNW is that by next Tuesday that forecast could be completely different. I think the Baseball weather gods will smile on the regional (I hope).
And the turf can take a good amount of rain...the only dirt they have to take care of is the mound.
What is the over/under of the numbers of hours in the tournament that the thermometer will register at higher than 60 degrees Fahrenheit for the entire tourney? ;D
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 03:31:12 AM
ITS OFFICIAL ;D
Hosted by Linfield College, McMinnville, Oregon
1. Chapman (30-9)
2. Linfield (30-10)
3. Pomona-Pitzer (29-9)
4. Texas-Tyler (35-10)
5. Mississippi College (36-9)
6. Trinity (Texas) (32-7)
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
Right now the over/under looks to be about 3-4, all of those occurring on Sunday afternoon! ::)
Think single-ellimination. ;)
Does this mean a double elimination tournament format can be changed by committee to
a single elimination tournament..because of weather.....Did not see that in the handbook but....
This what I did find..
If inclement weather is involved, the last possible time a regional championship game will be permitted to start is 9 p.m. local time Monday, May 24. If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by this time, one team will be selected by "
THE COMMITTEE" :o
The SUNYAC decided to award the title to Brockport when they finished the first round.
going to be interesting.......I hope TU shows up with a little fire in them.
Here's the West Regional website (http://www.linfield.edu/sports/ncaaregional.html). Looks like Live Stats for all games, and there are (inactive) links for webcasts for each.
What does this mean ??? Can any locals give us more accurate information.
Forecast for McMinnville area.
Wednesday Forecast
Chance of Rain 80% chance
Thursday Forecast
Chance of Rain 50% chance
Friday Forecast
Chance of Rain 50% chance
Saturday Forecast
Chance of Rain 30% chance
AN UNSEASONABLY STRONG LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL AFFECT NORTHWEST OREGON WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS THE AREA.
How does this impact the McMinnville area ?? Can they get in the 4 days of baseball and up to 11 games in ??
http://webct.linfield.edu/sports/release.php?id=3516
McMINNVILLE, Ore. – Chapman University will be looking to win its sixth straight trip to the NCAA Division III World Series, but four conference champions and one at-large team will be out to unseat the favorites in the six-team 2010 West Regional Baseball Tournament Wednesday-Sunday, May 19-23, here at Linfield College.
Wednesday's opening round has No. 1 seed Chapman (30-9, 6th in the NCBWA / D3baseball.com national poll) vs. No. 6 seed Trinity University (32-7, 9th nationally) at noon; host and No. 2 seed Linfield College (30-10, 16th nationally) vs. No. 5 seed Mississippi College (36-9, 15th nationally) at 3:30 p.m.; and No. 3 seed Pomona-Pitzer Colleges (29-9, 11th nationally) vs. No. 4 seed University of Texas-Tyler (35-10, 18th nationally) at 7:00 p.m.
All games are at Linfield's Roy Helser Field/Jim Wright Stadium, and all times listed are Pacific Daylight Time. An adult pass for all games is $25, and for students $15. Single day tickets are $10 for adults and $6 for students. The double-elimination tournament is scheduled to go through Saturday, with Sunday as a rain date. The winner advances to the eight-team World Series at Fox Cities Stadium in Appleton, Wis., Friday-Tuesday, May 28-June 1.
Chapman, coached by Tom Tereschuk, received one of four bids out of 'Pool B' for independents and conferences without an automatic berth. The Panthers, who always have one of the top pitching staffs in the nation, have a 3.27 team ERA, which ranks third nationally. Brian Rauh (10-0, 4 saves, 2.42, 89 K's) is the staff leader, while Jordan Sigman is 8-4 with a 2.72 ERA and 48 strikeouts. Offensively, the Panthers hit .328, led by Matt Luzar with a .400 average, 12 home runs, and 54 RBI. Ryan Prechtl hits .392 with five home runs and 34 RBI.
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/stats/teamcume.htm
Linfield, which went to the World Series in 2008 in Scott Brosius' first season as head coach, earned a 'Pool A' automatic bid by winning the Northwest Conference regular season title. The Wildcats are led by NWC Player of the Year Kelson Brown (Sr., La Canada, Calif.), who hit .453 with 22 doubles, seven home runs, and 53 RBI. Zach Boskovich (Soph., Central Point, Ore.) hit .421 with 16 home runs and 53 RBI, while Cole Bixenman (Jr., Federal Way, Wash.) is a .299 hitter with 11 home runs and 57 RBI. Linfield hits .332 as a team and is fifth nationally with 51 home runs. The pitching staff, with an ERA of 3.69, is paced by NWC Pitcher of the Year Ryan Larson (Soph., Beaverton, Ore) (9-3, 2.95, 54 K's). The Wildcats have the top fielding average in the nation (.974).
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/stats/bb/teamcume.htm
Pomona-Pitzer, coached by Frank Pericolosi, is making its second straight appearance in the playoffs after winning the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference regular season title to secure a 'Pool A' bid. The Sagehens are batting .361, with a trio of .400 hitters in Erik Munzer (.416), James Kang (.408), and Nick Gentili (.400), and another close in Nick Frederick (.397). Kang leads the Sagehens with 11 home runs, while Frederick is the top run producer with 50 RBI. Pitching ace David Colvin is 9-3 with a 2.51 ERA and ranks fifth nationally with 95 strikeouts, while closer James Kang has five saves and a 2.03 ERA.) The staff ERA is 3.82.
http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/men/bsb/2009-10/stats/teamcume.htm#TEAM.MLB
Texas-Tyler is also making its second straight regional appearance under coach James Vilarde after winning the American Southwest Conference Tournament to earn a 'Pool A' automatic bid. The Patriots are hitting .337 as team, led by Nathan Skeen with an even .400 average. Cody Jones is the Patriots' primary power threat, batting .355 with a team-leading nine home runs and 52 RBI. The Patriots lead the nation in sacrifice bunts (55) and are third in fielding (.970). Chase Willard (7-1, 5.05, 38 K's) is the top starter, but the Patriots have two top-notch relievers in Logan Chitwood (5-2, 5 saves, 3.52, team-leading 49 K's) and Matt Schimpf (4-0, 4 saves, 1.85, 38 K's).
http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2009-2010/baseball/teamcume.htm
Mississippi College, coached by Brian Owens, received a 'Pool C' at-large bid after finishing second to Texas-Tyler in the American Southwest Conference Tournament. Bo Bell leads the .354-hitting Choctaws with a .438 average, 10 home runs, and 56 RBI, and gets support from Stuart Magee, a .425 hitter, and Chase Herrin at .396. The Choctaws have scored the fourth-most runs in the nation (432). Tyler Seaman is the ace of the pitching staff, going 10-0 with a 3.18 ERA and 78 strikeouts, while closer Daniel Cowart is 2-1 with five saves, a 3.20 ERA, and 56 K's. MC's pitching staff has posted a 3.99 ERA with 327 strikeouts.
http://www.gochoctaws.com/custompages/baseball/2010/TEAMCUME.HTM
Trinity, coached by Tim Scannell, defeated DePauw to win the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference Tournament and a 'Pool A' automatic berth and is the hottest team entering the regional, riding a 13-game winning streak. The Tigers have the highest batting average of any team in the tournament at .380, which is third nationally. Evan Jones (.493, 13 home runs, 67 RBI) ranks eighth nationally in batting average and third in RBI. Kevin Jackson and Nick Pappas are also over .400 at .428 and .424 respectively. Trinity's 11.6 runs-per-game mark is tops in the nation. Ben Klimesh (7-0, 3.89, 71 K's) leads a pitching staff that has posted a 5.08 ERA.
http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/stats/teamcume.htm#TEAM.MLB
Any update on Weather
Wed Rain 80% :'(
Thur Rain 60% ; :'(
Fri Rain 40% ???
Sat only 10% chance ;D
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 18, 2010, 01:40:58 AM
What does this mean ??? Can any locals give us more accurate information.
Forecast for McMinnville area.
Wednesday Forecast
Chance of Rain 80% chance
Thursday Forecast
Chance of Rain 50% chance
Friday Forecast
Chance of Rain 50% chance
Saturday Forecast
Chance of Rain 30% chance
AN UNSEASONABLY STRONG LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL AFFECT NORTHWEST OREGON WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS THE AREA.
How does this impact the McMinnville area ?? Can they get in the 4 days of baseball and up to 11 games in ??
it means they shouldn't have a regional there anymore.....
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2010, 03:27:54 PM
Quote from: diviiibbjunkie on May 12, 2010, 08:08:07 AM
I'm telling you crash, I bet that baby will be played in beautiful, sunny. so cal.
Crazy... table for one. Crazy? Crazy?
Mmmmmmmmmmm..................
Are they any limits on what times games can be played ? Can we get some crazy game times if the rain breaks or lessens at night ???
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 18, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
Are they any limits on what times games can be played ? Can we get some crazy game times if the rain breaks or lessens at night ???
i wouldnt think so. I know TU started a game at 12:30am two years ago in the conference tournament.
HMMMM....
Special Weather Statement for Central Willamette Valley, OR
Updated 18 May 2010 6:55 am Local Time
Storm Watch
Issued by The National Weather Service
Portland, OR
AN UNSEASONABLY STRONG LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL AFFECT NORTHWEST OREGON WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THE ASSOCIATED COLD FRONT WILL BRING WINDY CONDITIONS TO THE COAST WEDNESDAY AND WEDNESDAY NIGHT ALONG WITH WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS THE AREA. MUCH COLDER AIR WILL MOVE ONSHORE BEHIND THIS FRONT WEDNESDAY NIGHT LOWERING SNOW LEVELS TO NEAR OR BELOW PASS LEVELS.
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 18, 2010, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 18, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
Are they any limits on what times games can be played ? Can we get some crazy game times if the rain breaks or lessens at night ???
i wouldnt think so. I know TU started a game at 12:30am two years ago in the conference tournament.
Crash, if I remember, some of the games at McMurray a few years ago started pretty late, no?
At least the infield appears to be all turf and it does have good lights. This years D2 tournament, the South Central Regional was washed out both Saturday and Sunday. They apparently received special NCAA approval to extend the tournament through Tuesday. I would rather see that sort of accommodation made over the "Decided by committee" clause invoked.
Quote from: RSSmith on May 17, 2010, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 17, 2010, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 03:31:12 AM
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
Ahhh...most of it looks like showers...not a big deal this time of the year. :D
Here's a frightening quote from the handbook:
"If inclement weather is involved, the last possible time a
regional championship game will be permitted to start is 9 p.m. local time Monday,
May 24. If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by this
time, one team will be selected by the committee."
I didn't read the rest of that section which appeared on the following page:
"Method of determining regional champion if play cannot be completed:
Six-team tournament:
a. Up until one team becomes 3-0, the highest-seeded team that has not been eliminated
will advance to the finals inAppleton.
b. If teams have an equal number of losses, the higher-seeded team, as determined by
the Baseball Committee before the start of regional play, will advance to the finals in
Appleton.
Seven- and eight-team tournament:
a. Up until the completion of game four the highest seeded team will advance to the finals
in Appleton.
b. Up until the completion of game 9, the highest-seeded undefeated team will advance
to the finals in Appleton.
c. After game 9, the undefeated team will advance to Appleton. If both teams have the
same number of losses the higher-seeded team will advance to Appleton."
Quote from: RSSmith on May 18, 2010, 10:15:19 AM
Quote from: RSSmith on May 17, 2010, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 17, 2010, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 03:31:12 AM
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
Ahhh...most of it looks like showers...not a big deal this time of the year. :D
Here's a frightening quote from the handbook:
"If inclement weather is involved, the last possible time a
regional championship game will be permitted to start is 9 p.m. local time Monday,
May 24. If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by this
time, one team will be selected by the committee."
I didn't read the rest of that section which appeared on the following page:
"Method of determining regional champion if play cannot be completed:
Six-team tournament:
a. Up until one team becomes 3-0, the highest-seeded team that has not been eliminated
will advance to the finals inAppleton.
b. If teams have an equal number of losses, the higher-seeded team, as determined by
the Baseball Committee before the start of regional play, will advance to the finals in
Appleton.
Seven- and eight-team tournament:
a. Up until the completion of game four the highest seeded team will advance to the finals
in Appleton.
b. Up until the completion of game 9, the highest-seeded undefeated team will advance
to the finals in Appleton.
c. After game 9, the undefeated team will advance to Appleton. If both teams have the
same number of losses the higher-seeded team will advance to Appleton."
As I read that again, I find it rather confusing for six-team tournaments. What happens after one team becomes 3-0 (I suppose that team goes to the finals, though the handbook doesn't say so). What happens if the higher seeded team is 1-1 and the lower seeded team is 2-0? Since no team has reached 3-0, doesn't the handbook say the higher seed advances? And if that is the case, doesn't that make section b. unnecessary?
Quote from: RSSmith on May 18, 2010, 10:23:57 AM
Quote from: RSSmith on May 18, 2010, 10:15:19 AM
Quote from: RSSmith on May 17, 2010, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 17, 2010, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2010, 03:31:12 AM
Rain predicted for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. :'( No rain on Sunday ;D
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/97128
Ahhh...most of it looks like showers...not a big deal this time of the year. :D
Here's a frightening quote from the handbook:
"If inclement weather is involved, the last possible time a
regional championship game will be permitted to start is 9 p.m. local time Monday,
May 24. If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by this
time, one team will be selected by the committee."
I didn't read the rest of that section which appeared on the following page:
"Method of determining regional champion if play cannot be completed:
Six-team tournament:
a. Up until one team becomes 3-0, the highest-seeded team that has not been eliminated
will advance to the finals inAppleton.
b. If teams have an equal number of losses, the higher-seeded team, as determined by
the Baseball Committee before the start of regional play, will advance to the finals in
Appleton.
Seven- and eight-team tournament:
a. Up until the completion of game four the highest seeded team will advance to the finals
in Appleton.
b. Up until the completion of game 9, the highest-seeded undefeated team will advance
to the finals in Appleton.
c. After game 9, the undefeated team will advance to Appleton. If both teams have the
same number of losses the higher-seeded team will advance to Appleton."
As I read that again, I find it rather confusing for six-team tournaments. What happens after one team becomes 3-0 (I suppose that team goes to the finals, though the handbook doesn't say so). What happens if the higher seeded team is 1-1 and the lower seeded team is 2-0? Since no team has reached 3-0, doesn't the handbook say the higher seed advances? And if that is the case, doesn't that make section b. unnecessary?
The NCAA despite its billions in revenue and access to brilliant people at outstanding universities does not seem to compose documents and policies, and rules with crystal clear clarity so all can understand along without document errors that are caught all the time in past years and current years.
I hoping for the games to be decided on the field and each day the weather is good enough to get all games in...so we dont resort to the rules of the NCAA and their "COMMITTEE"
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 18, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
Are they any limits on what times games can be played ? Can we get some crazy game times if the rain breaks or lessens at night ???
The New England Regional played into the wee hours of the morning (3 am?) about 2 years ago due to rain delays.
One tough regional - the west region has all 6 of its teams ranked in the top 20. I don't believe any other regional has such a tough mix.
Just snapped a photo from my office window. I think this is what you'll be seeing for most of the week.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi92.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl8%2Fcatdomealumni%2Foutside.jpg&hash=1fd4956a99bc1f5b2ebd99e71f7470c532714d90) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/catdomealumni/outside.jpg)
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 18, 2010, 06:03:13 PM
Just snapped a photo from my office window. I think this is what you'll be seeing for most of the week.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi92.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl8%2Fcatdomealumni%2Foutside.jpg&hash=1fd4956a99bc1f5b2ebd99e71f7470c532714d90) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/catdomealumni/outside.jpg)
And remind me why the regional is in oregon again??!!
Quote from: Bmo on May 18, 2010, 10:12:52 AM
At least the infield appears to be all turf and it does have good lights. This years D2 tournament, the South Central Regional was washed out both Saturday and Sunday. They apparently received special NCAA approval to extend the tournament through Tuesday. I would rather see that sort of accommodation made over the "Decided by committee" clause invoked.
Crazy stuff in that regional. Abilene Christian played at 7:30 last night in a game that went 13 innings and over four hours. They turned right around and played another game that STARTED sometime around 12:30 a.m. They finished around 3:30. ACU was in the loser's bracket and they won both games.
They turned around and played Central Missouri and beat them 11-5 in a 2 p.m. game and that forced the if game right after. They started at about 5:30 and finished around 8ish and ACU lost that game.
In a 25-hour period ACU played four games (one that went 13 innings). They ended up on the short end, but I bet they would rather have that experience than the one of sitting and watch it ran for three days and then letting the one seed advance because of a committee.
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 18, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 18, 2010, 06:03:13 PM
Just snapped a photo from my office window. I think this is what you'll be seeing for most of the week.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi92.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl8%2Fcatdomealumni%2Foutside.jpg&hash=1fd4956a99bc1f5b2ebd99e71f7470c532714d90) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/catdomealumni/outside.jpg)
And remind me why the regional is in oregon again??!!
Because Linfield has stand out facilities and did a fantastic job in hosting the regional last year.
It's a shame to have such a powerhouse field and the biggest concern is about the weather and being able to complete the regional. As a Millsaps fan, I'm fairly familiar with MS College and Trinity and it's hard for me to imagine that there's a tougher #5 and #6 combo in any other region. It's also hard for me to imagine that there's much of a gap between any of these 6 teams.
For MS College and Trinity, the NCAA rules force these teams to look at this regional as a single elimination tournament. With the forecast and time constraints making it a possibility of the regional failing to produce a winner, the lower seeded teams may not have a chance to win the championship once they get that first loss.
Personally, I think the winner of the opening game will be the winner of the regional. There's always the question mark of how Trinity will play after such a long layoff, but they were playing fantastic baseball at the end of the season. There pitching is better and deeper than what the stats sheet might indicate, and their hitting is going to be tough for anyone to stop. Admittedly, Chapman has a starter who is going to be tough to beat today, but if Trinity can get a good start (from Klimesh is my guess) and the bats aren't too rusty, I can see Trinity taking this game and then holding on for the regional championship.
I have anticipated Klimesh as the starter for TU, too. That should be a good game.
Not questioning the fact that Linfield can host and did a wonderful job....but given their location and the higher likely hood of precipitation in that area...it makes you second guess to have it there two years in a row. I know they cant predict the weather that far out, but I think you are flirting with this type of situation every time you give Linfield the regional.
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 08:49:52 AM
Not questioning the fact that Linfield can host and did a wonderful job....but given their location and the higher likely hood of precipitation in that area...it makes you second guess to have it there two years in a row. I know they cant predict the weather that far out, but I think you are flirting with this type of situation every time you give Linfield the regional.
Linfield does a wonderful job hosting. Everyone Agrees ;D BUTThey should rotate every year between CA, TX, OR, WA or a neutral site in AZ.
This way reduced the chance of bad weather. Last year the first day was rained out in Oregon but had wonderful weather all week long. Rolling the dice a 2nd year in a row with such a outstanding field of teams we hope all games get played so it is decided on the field and not by committee or rules due to a shortened tournament.
If the weather is forecasted to be bad all week NCAA should consider changing venues if possible. This was done in 2007 when the venue was McMurry but was switched to CA BEFORE everyone left due to a week long of forecasted bad weather. Too late this year...How is the weather in CA or TX this week.
RAIN/WIND 80% chance of rain forecasted for today....LETS PLAY BALL
Texas is just as hit or miss this time of year. California is the safest place to play. Can any of the other Cali teams host the regional besides Chapman?
Texas weather in late May is unpredictable but we normally do not get several days in a row of rain and the temps would range in the mid to upper 80s. I would be in favor of holding the tournament on a nuetral site such as a minor leage field. The DFW area has a couple of those as well as TCU which has a great facility. Even UTA has an upgraded facility that is superior to any DIII site. Flying in and out of DFW is easy. Three of the teams in the tournament could have taken bus rides to a site in the DFW area. It would have saved $$ and the weather would be more conducive to late spring baseball. Wind, rain and temps in the 50s is not conducive to great play IMO. ;)
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 08:49:52 AM
Not questioning the fact that Linfield can host and did a wonderful job....but given their location and the higher likely hood of precipitation in that area...it makes you second guess to have it there two years in a row. I know they cant predict the weather that far out, but I think you are flirting with this type of situation every time you give Linfield the regional.
You could say the same about Appleton (or any other regional site as well.) I was able to play in the series in '95 in Salem and all it did was rain, rain, rain. I think we had 2-3 days completely washed out . Weather is just part of the game... deal with it. With that argument, we should move
all of the regionals to CA and AZ...
Yes but all of the other regionals dont have the option to play in California or Arizona like we do. The CHANCE for it to be in the 40's and raining for the regional alone would make me put it in another option.
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 10:00:47 AM
Yes but all of the other regionals dont have the option to play in California or Arizona like we do. The CHANCE for it to be in the 40's and raining for the regional alone would make me put it in another option.
Right now the weather is nice in Oregon at 7:15 AM Wednesday. High clouds partial blue skies peaking through BUT rain coming..
And yes everyone will deal with it.. 8-).So why not schedule every year in the Northwest.
Facilties are great, country is beautiful, and people are friendly...My point is when you have options use them not just be blind to them. It will be a great week of baseball rain or not in my opinion.
They must be testing/playing around with the live stats, or else some very strange things are afoot in Oregon.
Quote from: Bmo on May 19, 2010, 10:40:59 AM
They must be testing/playing around with the live stats, or else some very strange things are afoot in Oregon.
You mean the starting pitchers for both squads aren't leading off? ;D
JSG
Looking at the hour-by-hour forecast, it's hard to believe that they will get 3 games played today. It's going to be a real advantage for both Chapman and Trinity if they complete a game today and the other 4 teams are pushed back a day or more. And while the hour-by-hour forecast seems to change hour by hour, at this moment it looks like there might be a small break in the weather around noon that would allow for the first game to be completed.
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 10:00:47 AM
Yes but all of the other regionals dont have the option to play in California or Arizona like we do. The CHANCE for it to be in the 40's and raining for the regional alone would make me put it in another option.
I am not aware of any Division III schools in Arizona.
The NWC should have its chance to host this regional as often as Texas and SoCal do. If you want to host, well, by all means, put together a better bid.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2010, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 10:00:47 AM
Yes but all of the other regionals dont have the option to play in California or Arizona like we do. The CHANCE for it to be in the 40's and raining for the regional alone would make me put it in another option.
I am not aware of any Division III schools in Arizona.
The NWC should have its chance to host this regional as often as Texas and SoCal do. If you want to host, well, by all means, put together a better bid.
Im sure other schools did put in a bid. There are venues in Arizona that could host (which was the point). And there are DIII schools in California last I checked.
Linfield campus webcam--looks like they have already had a heavy shower today:
http://www.linfield.edu/slide_show/webcam.php
Here's another webcam from McMinnville:
http://www.alltravelcams.com/mcminnville_oregon/hwy_18_at_valley_junction.php
In a delay already....awesome.
As if the rain wasn't enough...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PORTLAND HAS ISSUED A WIND ADVISORY... WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 4 PM THIS AFTERNOON TO 11 PM PDT THIS EVENING.
* WINDS: SOUTH WIND 20 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 45 MPH ARE EXPECTED.
I'll already be up late tonight watching Game 2 of the Lakers/Suns, followed by UT Tyler/Pomona-Pitzer. Gonna be a longggggg night. Time to make a run to the beer store ;)
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2010, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 10:00:47 AM
Yes but all of the other regionals dont have the option to play in California or Arizona like we do. The CHANCE for it to be in the 40's and raining for the regional alone would make me put it in another option.
I am not aware of any Division III schools in Arizona.
The NWC should have its chance to host this regional as often as Texas and SoCal do. If you want to host, well, by all means, put together a better bid.
Im sure other schools did put in a bid. There are venues in Arizona that could host (which was the point). And there are DIII schools in California last I checked.
No D-III schools in Arizona, though. They're not going to let a school host with a facility that's hundreds of miles away from campus.
My point is you have to let all three areas have chances to host. Apparently Linfield put the best bid in. And if you say you're rolling the dice by putting it there two years in a row, that's bull. It's no more likely to rain in 2010 than in 2011 or 2012 or 2009.
Read what I actually said: Put together *a better bid* if you want to host it.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2010, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2010, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 10:00:47 AM
Yes but all of the other regionals dont have the option to play in California or Arizona like we do. The CHANCE for it to be in the 40's and raining for the regional alone would make me put it in another option.
I am not aware of any Division III schools in Arizona.
The NWC should have its chance to host this regional as often as Texas and SoCal do. If you want to host, well, by all means, put together a better bid.
Im sure other schools did put in a bid. There are venues in Arizona that could host (which was the point). And there are DIII schools in California last I checked.
No D-III schools in Arizona, though. They're not going to let a school host with a facility that's hundreds of miles away from campus.
My point is you have to let all three areas have chances to host. Apparently Linfield put the best bid in. And if you say you're rolling the dice by putting it there two years in a row, that's bull. It's no more likely to rain in 2010 than in 2011 or 2012 or 2009.
Read what I actually said: Put together *a better bid* if you want to host it.
When you put it in a location that has a better chance for rain two years in a row, you are rolling the dice.....period. Thats not bull. Its just a shame that we have known about this weather for 2 weeks now...and instead of playing in 69 degrees and 6 MPH wind...we are going to let the conditions play more of a factor in who wins or losses. The 10 day forecast sure does look pretty in Orange, CA right now.
I think it is going to be a washout today and the extended forecast does not look good until Saturday when the probability of rain drops to only 30%. With extended rain the issue will be how well the outfield drains. The infield will be covered and so it should be fine. But unless the field drains well the outfield could be a problem. The forecast is down to 60% rain Thursday but back to 70% on Friday. No time for the field to dry.
Looks to me like the tournment will all have to played primarily on saturday and sunday if the field conditions allow. They may extend if into monday if that is allowed by the NCAA.
Quote from: TexasBB on May 19, 2010, 03:18:22 PM
I think it is going to be a washout today and the extended forecast does not look good until Saturday when the probability of rain drops to only 30%. With extended rain the issue will be how well the outfield drains. The infield will be covered and so it should be fine. But unless the field drains well the outfield could be a problem. The forecast is down to 60% rain Thursday but back to 70% on Friday. No time for the field to dry.
Looks to me like the tournment will all have to played primarily on saturday and sunday if the field conditions allow. They may extend if into monday if that is allowed by the NCAA.
Really irks me that we have known about this weather for a while and nothing was done to possibly change venues. I know a 2 week out forecast isnt that accurate, but still this is extremely unfortunate
Looks like they are pulling off the tarp. First couple innings will be dicey, but it should clear up a little in an hour or so.
Weather will test the mental side of the game more than the physical side today. How focused can guys stay while waiting? It is the key to the regional.
They are playing and Trinity got the first batter on with a walk. The Trinity webcast is working and the weather looks terrible--but they are playing and that's a plus.
If a D3 school wants to host and historically has weather that can/would/could affect the outcome of the game by forcing multiple games in a day, rain delays, slippery conditions that cause injuries, and the like, then that school should build a covered facility.
It is an absolute shame for the NCAA to knowingly allow this happen. There are plenty of schools throughout the region with historically good weather that could host. Maybe it was the best bid at the time, but extensive rain delays could cost more in the long run.
It will be interesting to see how the bids go next year, as I understand that the Linfield bid was for 2 years.
I am hoping the weather is not a factor.
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 19, 2010, 03:18:22 PM
I think it is going to be a washout today and the extended forecast does not look good until Saturday when the probability of rain drops to only 30%. With extended rain the issue will be how well the outfield drains. The infield will be covered and so it should be fine. But unless the field drains well the outfield could be a problem. The forecast is down to 60% rain Thursday but back to 70% on Friday. No time for the field to dry.
Looks to me like the tournment will all have to played primarily on saturday and sunday if the field conditions allow. They may extend if into monday if that is allowed by the NCAA.
Really irks me that we have known about this weather for a while and nothing was done to possibly change venues. I know a 2 week out forecast isnt that accurate, but still this is extremely unfortunate
I can tell you don't like it, but honestly, they weren't going to strip Linfield of hosting after awarding it to them.
I don't believe mandating a covered facility to play tournament games in the Pacific Northwest is a reasonable demand for the NCAA to make on any member school, especially one in Division III. You guys on the West Coast get screwed enough by the NCAA as it is come playoff time -- this would just be one more way to screw a part of the country that deserves its turn to host.
Two years in NWC country, two years in ASC/SCAC land and two years in SoCal seems like a reasonable rotation to me.
I did not imply that the NCAA should have changed the location after the bid was awarded. I am saying that the weather factor should be considered before awarding a bid.
Yes, I am a west coaster, but my philosophy is that if you want more respect, toughen your schedule and win more. Works everytime, even though it may take a few years.
Top of the 3rd, TU capitalizes on 2 Chapman errors to get an unearned run.
:)
(Gotta root for Texas. ;) )
Quote from: dahlby on May 19, 2010, 04:32:25 PM
I did not imply that the NCAA should have changed the location after the bid was awarded.
No, but I quoted dp643 and I kinda figured it was clear I was responding to that.
Play interupted with a 2-1 count on the batter in Linfield. Not good news for the batter or the pitcher!
Score knotted at 1, with Chapman at bat.
http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Trinity-University (http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Trinity-University)
Link is of Trinity's Live Video Stream
I see your concern, and raise you having to go play football semis at Whitewater after a couple good snowstorms and temps below freezing. ;D
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 19, 2010, 05:00:23 PM
http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Trinity-University (http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Trinity-University)
Link is of Trinity's Live Video Stream
Looks like they are getting the tarp off the mound again....
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2010, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 19, 2010, 03:18:22 PM
I think it is going to be a washout today and the extended forecast does not look good until Saturday when the probability of rain drops to only 30%. With extended rain the issue will be how well the outfield drains. The infield will be covered and so it should be fine. But unless the field drains well the outfield could be a problem. The forecast is down to 60% rain Thursday but back to 70% on Friday. No time for the field to dry.
Looks to me like the tournment will all have to played primarily on saturday and sunday if the field conditions allow. They may extend if into monday if that is allowed by the NCAA.
Really irks me that we have known about this weather for a while and nothing was done to possibly change venues. I know a 2 week out forecast isnt that accurate, but still this is extremely unfortunate
I can tell you don't like it, but honestly, they weren't going to strip Linfield of hosting after awarding it to them.
I don't believe mandating a covered facility to play tournament games in the Pacific Northwest is a reasonable demand for the NCAA to make on any member school, especially one in Division III. You guys on the West Coast get screwed enough by the NCAA as it is come playoff time -- this would just be one more way to screw a part of the country that deserves its turn to host.
Two years in NWC country, two years in ASC/SCAC land and two years in SoCal seems like a reasonable rotation to me.
If you are responding to me, then why are you responding to a covered facility requirement? Are we on a 2 year rotation or are we on the best bid? You are now contradicting yourself.
My thinking is that if you have to pick a venue that has a turf infield because it rains too much, maybe they shouldnt host one of the most important tournaments of the year when you have other options...
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 05:12:19 PM
My thinking is that if you have to pick a venue that has a turf infield because it rains too much, maybe they shouldnt host one of the most important tournaments of the year when you have other options...
Well...here's hoping Trinity only has to suffer only two games in some rain showers so they can head back to Texas.
Real mature wildcat...
Let me make this public knowledge. I have no skin in this game this tournament. I am a UMHB fan...and could really care less who wins this tournament. I just think its unfortunate that all 6 of these teams are forced to play on wet turf in windy and cold conditions for a regional tournament.
I complained forever when the regional was in Cali every year. Now I know why it was, and why it should be.
Trinity puts one across in the top of the 5th to make the count 3-2 Chapman.
Loving the live video..the resolution holds up well in full screen mode.
Quote from: dp643 on May 19, 2010, 05:12:19 PM
Are we on a 2 year rotation or are we on the best bid?
Either one is far more within the spirit of Division III than the "All SoCal, All The Time" model.
Chapman hangs on to win the opening game with a 4-3 victory over Trinity.
What a battle in McMinnville between No. 2 Linfield and No. 5 Mississippi College. A combined three hits between the two with the Choctaws clinging to a 1-0 lead in the bottom of the 7th thanks to a solo shot from Shane Bennett in the 2nd inning.
Two great games so far!!
Live stats:
http://webservices.georgefox.edu/athletics/livestats/baseball/xlive.htm (http://webservices.georgefox.edu/athletics/livestats/baseball/xlive.htm)
Wildcats push across six in the bottom of the 7th to go ahead 6-1. Loaded the bases with no outs, scored a run thanks to an error on Dakota Bodree and then got a two-RBI single from leadoff hitter Tyson Smith.
Now still working with two outs and the bases loaded again. Linfield has gotten the benefit of three costly Seamen walks and two errors now off Bodree. For a guy who runs his mouth nonstop and curses like a sailor, Bodree was responsible for four runs in the inning. Oops. :-X
After seven complete, Linfield 6...Miss. College 1.
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 19, 2010, 08:55:57 PM
Wildcats push across six in the bottom of the 7th to go ahead 6-1. Loaded the bases with no outs, scored a run thanks to an error on Dakota Bodree and then got a two-RBI single from leadoff hitter Tyson Smith.
Now still working with two outs and the bases loaded again. Linfield has gotten the benefit of three costly Seamen walks and two errors now off Bodree. For a guy who runs his mouth nonstop and curses like a sailor, Bodree was responsible for four runs in the inning. Oops. :-X
After seven complete, Linfield 6...Miss. College 1.
Just made it home from work and it looks like I missed a great one! Great job 'Cats!!!!!
First two games from McMinnville now in the books with one to play.
Game 1 - Chapman 4, Trinity (Texas) 3
Game 2 - Linfield 6, Mississippi College 1
Game 3 - UT Tyler vs. Pomona-Pitzer.....first pitch 7 p.m. PDT/9 p.m. CST
Thursday's Format:
Trinity vs. Mississippi College at Noon
Chapman vs. UT Tyler/Pomona Loser at 3:30 p.m.
Linfield vs. UT Tyler/Pomona Winner at 7 p.m.
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 19, 2010, 08:55:57 PM
For a guy who runs his mouth nonstop and curses like a sailor, Bodree was responsible for four runs in the inning. Oops. :-X
After seven complete, Linfield 6...Miss. College 1.
Funny how karma works isn't it?
Here were my comments after the ASC tournament:
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 10, 2010, 11:19:32 AM
MOST everyone exuded class save for one Miss SS.
JSG
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Funny how karma works isn't it?
I definitely learned some new words I've never heard before...
Gotta love the anonymity of a message board, classy comments. Ripping others behind a keyboard with a screenname is a lot lower on the totem pole than bad language IMO. And I've heard worse from good kids on the field, from all teams.
Hate how we lost today, six runs on two hits in the seventh. Seaman was great, he pitched good enough to get out of the only trouble he faced in the 7th. Worked a bases loaded groundball that would have kept the first run from scoring, and a double play ball up the middle. He dominated the game.
For ASC fans wondering about the California teams, I saw Chapman today and obviously Linfield. They are similar, I personally would compare them to TLU but a little more talent. Nobody jumps out at you but they play solid, fundamental baseball and make you beat them. Larson isn't overpowering, but he spots up three pitches and changes speeds. I didn't think he was very good early, and got away with some bad pitches, but he was outstanding from about the 4th inning on.
Also just FYI, Linfield's park is one of the shortest you'll find. It was 325 down the lines, 380 dead away, 365 to right-center and 355 to left-center. For comparison, I think TLU was 338 on the lines, 405 center and 380 in the alleys.
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Hate how we lost today, six runs on two hits in the seventh. Seaman was great, he pitched good enough to get out of the only trouble all game.
A great game indeed, up until that one inning. Seamen walked three batters at the wrong time and the two errors followed.
Sets up a great game tomorrow with MC and Trinity. Hopefully the Patriots can play well tonight, or both ASC teams will be facing elimination tomorrow. Again.
Has the 3rd game started yet?
Just underway. Bottom of the 1st no score.
Please be clear and do not hide behind the asterisk. Were you referring to just_some_guy, patriot_pride, or Wildcat11?
Suggest practice in the sprinklers before heading to Oregon in future. ::)
UT Tyler in trouble already....just pulled the starter Matt Sparks for Clint Sharp in the first down 3-0 with the bases loaded and no outs. :(
Check that....now 5-0 Pomona-Pitzer bottom 1st.
I see a run-rule in the horizon if we don't settle down. Reminds me of the Yankees/Red Sox game the other night when New York went up 5-0 in the first. Ended up being a great game with a walk-off though. We'll see....
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 19, 2010, 10:42:00 PM
Check that....now 5-0 Pomona-Pitzer bottom 1st.
I see a run-rule in the horizon if we don't settle down. Reminds me of the Yankees/Red Sox game the other night when New York went up 5-0 in the first. Ended up being a great game with a walk-off though. We'll see....
PP... better 5 happend in the 1st early...still time although Colvin has been tough all year
Quote from: CalCat on May 19, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 19, 2010, 10:42:00 PM
Check that....now 5-0 Pomona-Pitzer bottom 1st.
I see a run-rule in the horizon if we don't settle down. Reminds me of the Yankees/Red Sox game the other night when New York went up 5-0 in the first. Ended up being a great game with a walk-off though. We'll see....
PP... better 5 happend in the 1st early...still time although Colvin has been tough all year
PP is all over UTT. just pushed across another one, runner on 3rd with nobody out...
Touchdown Pomona, extra point is good. They now lead it 7-0 bottom 2nd.
Looks like we might be flying home on the same plane as MC again tomorrow.
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 19, 2010, 11:07:41 PM
Touchdown Pomona, extra point is good. They now lead it 7-0 bottom 2nd.
Looks like we might be flying home on the same plane as MC again tomorrow.
UTT with a safety...7-2
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 19, 2010, 10:01:09 PM
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Also just FYI, Linfield's park is one of the shortest you'll find. It was 325 down the lines, 380 dead away, 365 to right-center and 355 to left-center. For comparison, I think TLU was 338 on the lines, 405 center and 380 in the alleys.
LInfield had 51 HR's this season, whereas most of the ASC was averaging around 35 for the season except SRSU.
Alpine, TX anyone?
Now 8-2 Pomona bottom 3rd...new arm for UT Tyler. Third already.
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 19, 2010, 10:01:09 PM
Gotta love the anonymity of a message board, classy comments. Ripping others behind a keyboard with a screenname is a lot lower on the totem pole than bad language IMO. And I've heard worse from good kids on the field, from all teams.
To be clear. I could careless about bad language, especially in context. If you let one slip because you popped out on the infield and didn't drive a run in, in essence letting
your team down (team being the operative word, I hate selfish players), then I completely understand.
And your correct about the dimensions of TLU's field.
JSG
Solo shot for UTT...down 8-3 top 4th.
That looks cold! BRRRRRRR!
Like I said, that looks like February baseball in Texas!
Even worse for UTT, we'll have to play No. 1 seed Chapman tomorrow. Yay.
Now 12-3 Pomona...Patriots on pitcher number five.
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 19, 2010, 11:49:58 PM
Even worse for UTT, we'll have to play No. 1 seed Chapman tomorrow. Yay.
Now 10-3 Pomona...
Livestats hasn't worked for me since the top of the 3rd. Who's throwing for Tyler. If Schimpf doesn't toss today I think you have to start him tomorrow against Chapman who may try and get cute and save Sigman for a potential match-up with Linfield.
JSG
Dustin Wyble throwing for UTT now. Live stats will be back up shortly.
I figured there's no better time for my first post than regional baseball. Congrats to both Chapman and Linfield on their big wins today.
PP came out swinging hot bats tonight. Top of the order got on early (few walks and a couple knocks), got a big 1 out double from Brunswick. It's great to see that kind of production from the entire order. Pomona quick 7-0 lead before UTT responded with 2 of their own. Colvin seemed a little rushed for that inning but once he got back under control the junior flamethrower has looked good since. PP has pushed some more across and are looking fresh.
Patriots get two more back.....12-5 Pomona now Bot 6th.
Do the umpires have really tight zones or is the inclement weather adversely affecting the guys on the bump?
14 BBs in Game 1
Seamen had 4 BB in Game 2
Already 12 BBs in Game 3
JSG
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Do the umpires have really tight zones or is the inclement weather adversely affecting the guys on the bump?
I think honestly, it's just nerves and the unfamiliarity of playing out there with different conditions. This time of year in MS and TX its usually 90's and sunny. We get the crap weather in February. It's steady drizzle, but very light wind.
Bot 7th - Pomona 12, UT Tyler 6 (take away the first 2 innings its 6-5 UTT).
Patriot Pride, I agree with you that it's more these players settling in and getting comfortable than any tight zones or anything like that. For the most part, the strike zone has looked pretty comparable to what I've seen all year. And you are right, take away those first few innings and it's 6-5 UTT. Of course, take away the 5th and 7th innings and it's 12-4 PP. Colvin looked pretty good throughout. While I've seen him throw better, at this point in the year there is one thing that matters: getting a W.
Patriots put runners and 2nd and 3rd with one out in the 8th and go down on strikes looking and swinging to end the inning. There was our chance to make some noise. Ahhh.
Pomona wins it 12-6 to send UTT to an elimination game vs No. 1 seed Chapman tomorrow at 3:30 PDT.
I have to point out a gutsy performance by freshman Dustin Wyble for UT Tyler. The kid had thrown only 4.0 innings all year, and tossed the final 5 innings allowing no runs on just two hits. It reminds me of Shane Bennett for Miss. College throwing in the ASC Tournament after not throwing all year. Dang, these kids will surprise the heck out of you sometimes if you just give them the darn ball.
Good luck to ASC representatives UTT and Miss. College tomorrow.
Good win by the Sagehens. Colvin goes 6 and gets the win and Rooke-Ley throws a nice 3. Kind of a sloppy game with all the walks and errors on both sides, but at this point in the year it's about competing and finding a way to win. Freshman Mike Moyer made a nice playoff debut getting two knocks, while Frederick picks up 3 hits, Brunswick knocks in 3, and Mr. Consistent James Kang goes 2-4 with 3 runs scored and 2 rbi to pace the Sagehens.
Until tomorrow...
Welcome -- we get so utterly few Pomona-Pitzer fans in any sport that I hope you might find some interest in football or basketball and come join us on those boards as well!
Who starts game 2 for Pomona - Brunswick or Rosetti? This 2nd game is the one that PP has had trouble winning historically - don't remember them ever winning 2 in a row to start tourney play.
Welcome PP 4 MTaF.
Glad to have you posting.
Thanks Pat and Ralph, it's good to be on here supporting my Hens. Pomona alum, you are right. Last year PP dropped the second game to George Fox, and two years before they were also unable to win both of their first two. I think we're looking at a different team this year though. Look for the gritty senior James Brunswick on the mound. I've seen him throw some gems this year, and I expect the same today.
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2010, 12:29:57 AM
Do the umpires have really tight zones or is the inclement weather adversely affecting the guys on the bump?
14 BBs in Game 1
Seamen had 4 BB in Game 2
Already 12 BBs in Game 3
JSG
Baseball is played outside for a reason. The weather is just part of the game. It may not be the best situation, but the games were all played yesterday. If it rains, deal with it. It is tourney time... no excuses.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 20, 2010, 10:45:14 AM
Baseball is played outside for a reason. The weather is just part of the game. It may not be the best situation, but the games were all played yesterday. If it rains, deal with it. It is tourney time... no excuses.
Completely agree, but just wanted to hear from someone in attendance what might be causing the large amount of walks from a lot of highly touted #1s :)
JSG
Increased walks can also be due to disciplined hitters who, unlike weaker teams, do not chase balls just off the plate.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 20, 2010, 10:53:47 AM
Increased walks can also be due to disciplined hitters who, unlike weaker teams, do not chase balls just off the plate. Baseball is played outside for a reason. The weather is just part of the game. It may not be the best situation, but the games were all played yesterday. If it rains, deal with it. It is tourney time... no excuses.
Alot walks in day 1 in Oregon. Cold, Rain, Strong Winds, discipline hitters, tight strike zones by umpires along with rain delays and restarts with pitchers sitting then getting cold and going back out there after rain delays.
I can tell you for sure none of the players or coaches are making any excuses for the miserable weather and they are dealing with it and playing some excellent baseball despite it...
BUT for those sitting in the stands is a different story. I love being here and never went for cover despite the rains but is still cold, wet, windy and miserable weather....and yes it baseball..and would not trade it for a minute, lighting, hail,
snow flurries, 100 degree weather has not chased me away once yet.
With that being said..All dome baseball stadiums in MLB should be opened up for OUTDOOR baseball.
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I saw this on the board today. It's never to cold for baseball ;D
Any day that ends in Y is a good day for baseball...
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 20, 2010, 01:13:57 PM
I saw this on the board today. It's never to cold for baseball ;D
Any day that ends in Y is a good day for baseball...
+1
I'm just glad they don't move the MLB world series to AZ when the Red Sox, Philly, or Yankees are playing. Lord knows they seem to play just fine baseball in what can sometimes be cold and wet conditions. ;)
...and that would be why the only Major League team in the Great Northwest builds domes for their team?
Just bored until I can listen to a game :(
Bottom of 5 and Trinity is up 3-2 on MC.
MC has runners on 2nd and 3rd with nobody out. Trinity and MC are video streaming the game:
http://hwcdn.net/f6s6r4k5/wls/31450-trinitysports.asx (http://hwcdn.net/f6s6r4k5/wls/31450-trinitysports.asx)
MC just took the lead with a 2-run single (4-3 MC up).
Top of 6 and Trinity just tied it up at 4 off a Robusto single. Two down and runners on 1st and 2nd.
Weather factor, please.
Quote from: D O.C. on May 20, 2010, 04:49:52 PM
Weather factor, please.
Mix of clouds and blue sky. Report for today are occasional showers and breaks. I think they will be able to get all the games in today without much of a problem. Looks like TU and MC have had a nice day at the park so far. Play-by-Play guy called it a "lovely day for baseball so far"
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Weather factor, please.
There was a friggin hail delay...at least that's what I caught on the Trinity broadcast. Might have been talking about another site though. Looks beautiful now from the computer screen.
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 20, 2010, 04:53:52 PM
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Weather factor, please.
There was a friggin hail delay...at least that's what I caught on the Trinity broadcast. Might have been talking about another site though. Looks beautiful now from the computer screen.
There was at the very start of the game but they have caught a good run of weather since then....hope it carries the rest of the day.
Great game so far! 4-4 going into the 9th!
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 20, 2010, 05:24:28 PM
Great game so far! 4-4 going into the 9th!
If you're Miss that's the guy you want up with the game on the line, but after a great ASC tournament seems like he's had trouble getting it going so far in the regional.
JSG
Cowart has retired 14 straight TU batters. Bentz (12.79, 1-0, 6.1 IP) replacing Robertson at P for TU after a leadoff single in the bottom of the 10th. :o
Man...bringing out the Frosh to the bump in a pressure packed situation. Miss College has to be laying down the bunt here.
Oh boy, walked Walls who was having all sorts of trouble laying down a bunt and Bentz gets the hook. TU is in HUGE trouble here.
Edit: WOW! Great play by Solomon in fielding the bunt, sniping around and getting the force at 3rd. one down, runners on 1st and 2nd.
Edit: Glaze gets made to look bad by Solomon...two down.
Edit: Miss College might be thinking about this inning for a LONG time as a pop up to 2nd gets Trinity out of the 10th. Just missed a golden chance to finish it.
Why'd Bo Bell get pulled?
They got out of it but OMG what happened to the TU bats??
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 20, 2010, 05:58:23 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 20, 2010, 05:54:37 PM
but OMG what happened to the TU bats??
Daniel Cowart
Cowart in the ASC Regional:
1st appearance: 5.2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 10Ks
2nd appearance: 4.0 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 5 Ks
Opponents are hitting .217 against him on the season.
JSG
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2010, 06:02:34 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 20, 2010, 05:58:23 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 20, 2010, 05:54:37 PM
but OMG what happened to the TU bats??
Daniel Cowart
Cowart in the ASC Regional:
1st appearance: 5.2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 10Ks
2nd appearance: 4.0 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 5 Ks
Opponents are hitting .217 against him on the season.
JSG
Picked a great time to peak, that's for sure. 6.0 IP today and that was enough as MC just got the winning run. Congratulations (grr).
Great ending to a great game. Well played by both sides. Great start to Thursday.
Can we call the West Region the bracket of death?
No.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 20, 2010, 05:54:37 PM
They got out of it but OMG what happened to the TU bats??
I have to believe that the games yesterday and today are the ones where Kyle Felix being injured and not being in the line up makes a huge difference.
Not only is he a .450 type hitter, he helps make everyone else in the middle of that line up better against better pitching,and he always puts the ball in play and he gives TU the ability to go right/left up and down the order.
TU just left too many guys at 3B and that was the narrow margin in each game.
Have a feeling that, just like 2004 when all 6 teams were nationally ranked, there is very good chance the CWS champion will come from the West.
Having been off for nearly 30 days, TU showed up and played/competed well, very well against terrific teams.
Baseball can be a tough sport and it can be even tougher when you go at it without one of the nation's top hitters and little margin for error in the West Region this year.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 06:12:25 PM
Can we call the West Region the bracket of death?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 20, 2010, 06:14:06 PM
No.
My question and Pat's response goes back to the appellation given to one bracket in the
2007 Men's Basketball Playoffs (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2007/03/01/Men%27s+tourney+preview.html) where 7 of the Top 12 were in the UW-Stevens Point bracket.
We only had 6 of the Top 17 in our 6-team bracket.
Too many damn walks. You can't win a game like that. ALREADY five walks and a hit-by-pitch and we're in the top of the third. Absolutely embarassing.
Top 3rd - Chapman 3, UT Tyler 1
Schimpf has kept Chapman honest since their 3 run (on one hit 3rd), and UTT has tacked on two more to knot it at 3 all. Tyler hasn't been pretty on offense though, getting two runners caught stealing and having two consecutive K's with runners on 2nd and 3rd and 0 outs in the bottom of the 4th.
EDIT: Skeen draws a two out BB. Back to back singles to load the bases before Cody Jones hits a 2-run double giving UTT a 5-3 lead in the bottom of the 5th.
EDIT: UT Tyler 5 - Chapman 4 headed into the top of the 8th. I count 4 caught stealing for UTT so far. That's a lot of base runners.
FINAL: Schimpf with the win, Chitwood with the save at UT Tyler defeats Chapman, which means we'll still have 5 teams alive tomorrow in the West Regional.
JSG
I am out to dinner. Thanks for the updates.
Winner of next game will be looking good !
UTT has redeemed itself after a horrible first game. They started this one much the same way but rallied when it mattered. Beating Chapman is huge but having to face once again its Division and Conference rival in an ellimination game tomorrow is disappointing. UTT and MC have played each other 11 times in 2 years with UTT holding a slim 6-5 advantage. The last time they played was for the ASC tournament title and it went extra innings. Talk about evenly matched!!
Okay friends.
Who do we want to lose in the Pomona-Pitzer/Linfield game? ;D
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 10:27:57 PM
Okay friends.
Who do we want to lose in the Pomona-Pitzer/Linfield game? ;D
I think you
want Linfield to lose. They have the most depth on the mound, and they were my favorite to win the regional. After Colvin, PP is not terribly strong on the mound and I think you'd have a better chance of beating them twice if it came to that.
Linfield's #3 = Reese McCulley 3-2, 3.45 ERA, .257 against
#4 = Casey Cameron 2-0, 2.49 ERA, .164 against (maybe?)
Or maybe it's Hilberg (3-1, 5.56 ERA), Robert Vaughn (1-1, 3.14 ERA)
PP's #3 = Leo Rosetti 6-3, 4.62, .290 against
#4 = Rooke-Ley 5-0, 4.78, .304 against
Or maybe it's Gano (1-0, 4.44 ERA)
And they're up 6-2 after a 3 HR from James Kang & a solo shot from Eirc Munzer. ;)
JSG
I feel like there could not be a better time for my first post on these illustrious boards, as Pomona-Pitzer has come out firing in the nightcap against Linfield. Kang, or Kang Kong as the broadcast team prefer to call him, and Munzer are responsible for all six runs of the Sagehens, having hit two home runs a piece. Linfield seems to be battling and I am sure that this game will be fun until the end, but the way Pomona-Pitzer has come out the last two games, they seem like a driven and hungry team that is going to be tough to beat.
Quote from: PP 4 MTaF on May 20, 2010, 10:03:32 AM
Thanks Pat and Ralph, it's good to be on here supporting my Hens. Pomona alum, you are right. Last year PP dropped the second game to George Fox, and two years before they were also unable to win both of their first two. I think we're looking at a different team this year though. Look for the gritty senior James Brunswick on the mound. I've seen him throw some gems this year, and I expect the same today.
Great call on Brunswick, it seems. Really good performance in a huge game...pitching into the 9th with a 6 run lead. Given up some runners, but limited the damage, which is key in games like this.
Congratulations to the PPs.
Don't let the pressure get to you now that you're in the driver's seat. :o
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 21, 2010, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: PP 4 MTaF on May 20, 2010, 10:03:32 AM
Thanks Pat and Ralph, it's good to be on here supporting my Hens. Pomona alum, you are right. Last year PP dropped the second game to George Fox, and two years before they were also unable to win both of their first two. I think we're looking at a different team this year though. Look for the gritty senior James Brunswick on the mound. I've seen him throw some gems this year, and I expect the same today.
Great call on Brunswick, it seems. Really good performance in a huge game...pitching into the 9th with a 6 run lead. Given up some runners, but limited the damage, which is key in games like this.
6-run lead? Just throw strikes and let the defense take care of you.
Man....props to Pomona Pitzer tonight. They have some live bats in the line up and Brunswick was great as the game moved along. Those 4 HR's were no doubters to say the least.
'Cats have a huge mountain to climb but they have shown they are pretty dang good with their backs against the wall. Go 'Cats!
BTW...for all the bitching and crying about the weather it was a great day for baseball today. :D
Quote from: D O.C. on May 20, 2010, 09:37:28 PM
I am out to dinner. Thanks for the updates.
Come on D.O.C., don't disrespect your momma like that when she's taking you out to dinner! Get off the boards!
Ah, she's 91.
She's seen it all.
Besides, I was showing her how to input text.
glad to see a lot of fun going on in the west regional, PP hens are doing well, you all have to remember this is the third time the seniors have been to a regional, you better believe they are hungry, nom nom nom
Well today is the day the weather finally might have it's say...pretty crappy right now but we're still 5 hours away from Chapman/Linfield so there is a chance to catch a break but I have a feeling it's going to be hit or miss all day long.
It'll be a beautiful day for baseball for elimination. 49 and raining at game time for Chapman/Linfield.
Quote from: dp643 on May 21, 2010, 10:06:45 AM
It'll be a beautiful day for baseball for elimination. 49 and raining at game time for Chapman/Linfield.
Do you talk baseball or just complain about weather? Just sayin' because your last 9 posts have been about the weather.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 07:19:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 06:12:25 PM
Can we call the West Region the bracket of death?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 20, 2010, 06:14:06 PM
No.
My question and Pat's response goes back to the appellation given to one bracket in the 2007 Men's Basketball Playoffs (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2007/03/01/Men%27s+tourney+preview.html) where 7 of the Top 12 were in the UW-Stevens Point bracket.
We only had 6 of the Top 17 in our 6-team bracket.
And none of the top five.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2010, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 07:19:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 06:12:25 PM
Can we call the West Region the bracket of death?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 20, 2010, 06:14:06 PM
No.
My question and Pat's response goes back to the appellation given to one bracket in the 2007 Men's Basketball Playoffs (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2007/03/01/Men%27s+tourney+preview.html) where 7 of the Top 12 were in the UW-Stevens Point bracket.
We only had 6 of the Top 17 in our 6-team bracket.
And none of the top five.
JMO, but the baseball West Regional this year is about the equivalent of that basketball bracket, which was ridiculously loaded. There are eight regionals where there are only four basketball brackets. There are 14 teams in that bracket with seven on each side, and there were 5 ranked on one side and three on the other.
There might not be a top 5 team, but having all six teams ranked in the top 17 in one regional is also ridiculously loaded, not easy games anywhere. It has been great baseball though.
Apparently Ralph you must have a top 5 team from the northeast to have a respectable pool.
There might not be a top 5 team, but having all six teams ranked in the top 17 in one regional is also ridiculously loaded, not easy games anywhere. It has been great baseball though
Which may explain why 5 of the 6 teams are still playing and the team that is out lost by two 1 run games the second of which went extra innings!!
Quote from: dp643 on May 21, 2010, 01:39:26 PM
Apparently Ralph you must have a top 5 team from the northeast to have a respectable pool.
:) ;)
Most accurately, we fans who live outside "the CCIW, WIAC, Washington U StL/UChicago area and other occasional minor participants from the Midwest Conference and the MIAC" must pay homage to the part of the country that is within about a 4-hour drive north west and south of Chicago for all really good D-3 basketball. (Those schools are in the Men's Basketball Midwest Region and the eastern half of the West Evaluation Region.) :) ;)
In the northeast, it is usually the Williams/Amherst/NESCAC group that is genuinely that good. Unfortunately there is not as much competition in those brackets to make the run to the Final Four the knock-down/drag-out that we see in the Midwest Region.
We have had 2 champions from the West Baseball Region in the 2000's. George Fox and Chapman. we can proud of that.
Quote from: TexasBB on May 21, 2010, 01:43:05 PM
There might not be a top 5 team, but having all six teams ranked in the top 17 in one regional is also ridiculously loaded, not easy games anywhere. It has been great baseball though
Which may explain why 5 of the 6 teams are still playing and the team that is out lost by two 1 run games the second of which went extra innings!!
Yes.
TU goes home after falling 2 runs short in 20 innings of baseball.
Mississippi College and Linfield pitching staffs post goose-eggs in 15 of the 17 frames that they played.
Chapman has scored 8 runs and allowed 8 runs in its 2 games.
Only PP has put it together in the first two days. JSG thought that they might not have the pitching in the #3 and #4 guys relative to other squads. We check that out today.
UTT seems to have finally arrived in Oregon after a 4 inning "brain-delay" on Wednesday.
This year's west regional reminds me of days gone by.....the old black and blue central divsion of the NFL, when everyone beat up on everyone else, and sometimes beat up on themselves with mistakes.
Looking forward to the UTT/Miss. College outcome... 6th meeting this year between the two.
Coupled with a Pomona-Pitzer win at 7 p.m., the winner of that 3:30 p.m. game will play for a regional title on Saturday having to beat the Sagehens twice. Tough task ahead, but anticipating the challenge if it's the Patriots.
Finally.....cleared my schedule to be able to listen to the LINFIELD game tonight at 7 PM in the comfort of my home.
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Finally.....cleared my schedule to be able to listen to the LINFIELD game tonight at 7 PM in the comfort of my home.
You do realize you have to get through Chapman first, correct? Linfield 2-0 in the top 4th.
That game is live now...
D.O.C. you're projection is still looking good.
Linfield 3, Chapman 0 - Top 7th ...McCulley with a two-hitter so far and 7 Ks
Chapman down to its final 6 outs. Could they become the first #1 seed casualty?
Rain Delay....whadya know??
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 21, 2010, 04:49:43 PM
Chapman down to its final 6 outs. Could they become the first #1 seed casualty?
Rain Delay....whadya know??
Weren't we hoping to keep Linfield out of this one because of how strong their pitching staff was?
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Weren't we hoping to keep Linfield out of this one because of how strong their pitching staff was?
Most definitely. And the fact they're playing on their home turf fuels the fire even more to win the regional. But Chapman has the best team ERA at a 3.29, so I'm ok with them losing out. They've won this thing enough, time for someone new ;)
Patriot_Pride....Pat will be the first one to tell you, yes, I knew the biggest game of the season was at noon, just being a wise guy.
Choctaws all over UT Tyler, 9-4, in the bottom of the 4th.
Three, 2-run home runs for Mississippi College already and a 2-run shot for UTT.
Huge game....winner will play Pomona for the regional title if the Sagehens win @ 7 p.m.
Quote from: dp643 on May 21, 2010, 01:39:26 PM
Apparently Ralph you must have a top 5 team from the northeast to have a respectable pool.
No. But Bracket of Death is a
big step above "respectable" there, 643.
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 21, 2010, 12:52:41 PM
JMO, but the baseball West Regional this year is about the equivalent of that basketball bracket, which was ridiculously loaded. There are eight regionals where there are only four basketball brackets. There are 14 teams in that bracket with seven on each side, and there were 5 ranked on one side and three on the other.
And Chris -- perhaps you don't remember exactly what the 2009 basketball Bracket of Death contained. That Bracket of Death earned its name by containing No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, No. 5, No. 7 and No. 8. Let's not dishonor its memory by giving that name to a bracket that is merely stellar and not historically unbalanced.
MC hangs on to win 9-8...
Looks like PP will be playing MC tomorrow at noon, win or lose tonight. Win and it's for the right to advance to the national tourney. Lose and it's for the right to play Linfield in a winner-take-all game.
How many pitches did Colvin throw on Wednesday, and will he be ready to go tomorrow? The setup of league play means that pitchers don't often throw on "short rest" during the regular season.
Congrats to MC they get their revenge on UTT with a nail bitting 9-8 win. The UTT starters were their weakspot and too many runs early on could not be overcome. But once again the bullpen did its job and they kept coming back shutting down MC after the early earnings. Hand it to MC they could have folded under the late inning pressure but held it together. Now all us ASC fans have to pull for MC to keep finding a way to win the close ball games.
Has the PP/ Linfield game started yet?
MC had Seamon pitch on short rest and he threw 9 against UTT in the ASC conference championship game. That game ended up going 12 innings with UTT pulling it out. This was another of a series of close games these two teams have played. I expect MC to come back with Seamon again. He threw 135 pitches in the ASC championship after throwing over 8 innings two days prior agains TLU (a 30 game winning team that did not make the NCAA tournament). So he has done it before. The question is how effective will he be and how long can he go. The cummulative impact of that many pitches will wear down any pitcher even a horse like Seamon.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2010, 08:42:58 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 21, 2010, 01:39:26 PM
Apparently Ralph you must have a top 5 team from the northeast to have a respectable pool.
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No. But Bracket of Death is a big step above "respectable" there, 643.
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 21, 2010, 12:52:41 PM
JMO, but the baseball West Regional this year is about the equivalent of that basketball bracket, which was ridiculously loaded. There are eight regionals where there are only four basketball brackets. There are 14 teams in that bracket with seven on each side, and there were 5 ranked on one side and three on the other.
And Chris -- perhaps you don't remember exactly what the 2009 basketball Bracket of Death contained. That Bracket of Death earned its name by containing No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, No. 5, No. 7 and No. 8. Let's not dishonor its memory by giving that name to a bracket that is merely stellar and not historically unbalanced.
Forgot about the 09 bracket, that was just silly.
Got to tip your hat to Mississippi College, they got it done. You can't fall behind 9-2 and expect to win the game....although we almost stole it losing 9-8.
Unfortunately an ending to a great coaching career at UT Tyler, as Coach Vilade will end his 8-year stay with the Patriots with a loss to an ASC East rival. He ends his career an impressive 230-65 (.780) with five ASC East Titles, two ASC titles and two NCAA Appearances. Congratulations coach and good luck!!
Also, for MC, you are setup to win the whole thing now. I've got to think if Pomona wins, the Choctaws have what it takes to win two. Tyler Seamen will throw one and who knows for the other. Represent the ASC and win it all!!
...arranged my day tomorrow with a 4-5 foot south swell in the AM, mommy to lunch, the LINFIELD game after that. ;)
Not sure why this is not listed on the links page from scoreboard yet
http://www.stretchinternet.com/linschedule.html
LINFIELD up 7-0 in 2nd inning...and 5th inning...6th
(Here comes the rain 9:17 PM PDT/20" still playing/raining harder)
7-0 top of the 8th
Dennis...fold your chair...good night ;D
Top of 9th....10-0....good night, Irene.
(Oh yeah, the rain subsided)
It was a long but great day at Hesler field yesterday. Getting ready to go to one more game! It's wide open...Go 'Cats!
End of 4; MissColl 5, PP 0. With the bases loaded, the #3 and #4 batters strike out.
End of 5.
Middle of 6. PP's Frederick HR's to left. One LOB.
Top of the 7th Rain Delay; Kang on 3rd with 2 outs. Campbell at bat. After the delay, he walks. Pokorny out 5-3.
Fogarty on the mound for PP in the bottom of the 7th.
PP 000 001 4- 5 8 1
MC 102 200 X - 5 10 2
Linfield has to be rooting for this rain delay to go on long enough to force both pitchers out of the game...but not long enough to push the championship game until tomorrow.
What is the procedure for washing out a game...can it happen? Does it reset to the last full complete inning?
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 04:59:30 PM
Linfield has to be rooting for this rain delay to go on long enough to force both pitchers out of the game...but not long enough to push the championship game until tomorrow.
What is the procedure for washing out a game...can it happen? Does it reset to the last full complete inning?
I think that the deadline is some time tomorrow.
I'll bet Tyler Seaman wishes that the ump had called the game one batter earlier.
QuoteRegional Formats. The procedures outlined below shall be used in conducting the
regional competitions. All first-round games shall begin Wednesday, May 19, and will
be conducted over a four- or five-day period as outlined below. Except for reason of
inclement weather, the following formats will not be altered unless prior approval is
granted by the committee. If inclement weather is involved, the last possible time a
regional championship game will be permitted to start is 9 p.m. local time Monday,
May 24. If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by this
time, one team will be selected by the committee. Prospective host institutions must
submit recommended starting times for all games within the proposed budget material
for approval by the committee.
QuoteMethod of determining regional champion if play cannot be completed:
Six-team tournament:
a. Up until one team becomes 3-0, the highest-seeded team that has not been eliminated
will advance to the finals in Appleton.
b. If teams have an equal number of losses, the higher-seeded team, as determined by
the Baseball Committee before the start of regional play, will advance to the finals in
Appleton.
Seven- and eight-team tournament:
a. Up until the completion of game four the highest seeded team will advance to the finals
in Appleton.
b. Up until the completion of game 9, the highest-seeded undefeated team will advance
to the finals in Appleton.
c. After game 9, the undefeated team will advance to Appleton. If both teams have the
same number of losses the higher-seeded team will advance to Appleton.
For all rounds of competition, the committee will do its best to make sure that no
team plays more than two games in a day, barring unforeseen circumstances.
Play resumes...PP leaves runners on 2nd and 3rd, Seaman still in for MC.
Fogarty relieves Colvin...too bad, had cruised through the last couple of innings, but I don't think you can put him out there after the long top of the inning + rain delay.
5-5, heading for the top of the 9th. PP stranding runners all day, 1-13 w/ RISP.
Walk-off RBI single by Bo Bell to score Herrin from 2B.
MC 6, PP 5.
Rain is starting again.
MC is in the championship game!!! Conrgats!!
MC with the walkoff run. 6-5...2 out RBI single after an earlier batter reached on an error. Season comes to an end in the regionals again, one that the Sagehens were well set up for after wins in the opening 2 games. Too bad...but this was supposed to be a rebuilding year after losing Hedman, Mandelblatt and co.
Kang and Brunswick graduate, but most of the rest of the team returns next year.
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 06:04:36 PM
MC with the walkoff run. 6-5...2 out RBI single after an earlier batter reached on an error. Season comes to an end in the regionals again, one that the Sagehens were well set up for after wins in the opening 2 games. Too bad...but this was supposed to be a rebuilding year after losing Hedman, Mandelblatt and co.
Kang and Brunswick graduate, but most of the rest of the team returns next year.
Ehhhh, just re-loading.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2010, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 06:04:36 PM
MC with the walkoff run. 6-5...2 out RBI single after an earlier batter reached on an error. Season comes to an end in the regionals again, one that the Sagehens were well set up for after wins in the opening 2 games. Too bad...but this was supposed to be a rebuilding year after losing Hedman, Mandelblatt and co.
Kang and Brunswick graduate, but most of the rest of the team returns next year.
Ehhhh, just re-loading.
Great core in place...this program looks to be here to stay, just needs to break out of the regionals. Always had enough hitting for SCIAC, but not enough pitching to win in a compressed regional format against other good teams...this has been a problem dating back to the Cortez/Turner teams of earlier in the decade.
BTW - gutsy performance by Fogarty. Ended up being the LP, but 1 unearned run in 3 innings after pitching only 7 innings all year...
UTT had a rebuilding year as well. They return almost their entire team including their 94 mph closer unless he is drafted. However UTT looses its head coach. MC graduates alot of players including Tyler Seamon and Bo Bell who is their best hitter and got the game winning hit. The ASC will have some new contenders next year as some other teams that have young talent will be contending. We have a rough conference and it is very difficult to come through a season with a few blemishes. That is why we have only had two teams in 9 years to get a C level bid even though we have had multiple 30 game winning teams get passed over. We just have too many regional losses because we have alot of our "non-conference" games against conference teams from the opposing division. We make up almost 40% of the west division teams since our conference has 15 teams and will be expanding to 16 next year.
I hear you...SCIAC going to 4 conference games this year against each team instead of 3 changes the dynamics of region games. You can't play as many against the Spring Break snowbird teams, etc.
Two pretty solid teams in Cal Lu and Redlands got left at home this year after the SCIAC getting two bids last year (PP and Cal Lu)
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 06:28:23 PM
I hear you...SCIAC going to 4 conference games this year against each team instead of 3 changes the dynamics of region games. You can't play as many against the Spring Break snowbird teams, etc.
Two pretty solid teams in Cal Lu and Redlands got left at home this year after the SCIAC getting two bids last year (PP and Cal Lu)
Most of your snowbird games were not in-region.
Hey, LINFIELD fans....check out where the gals are playing if you haven't already.
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/w-softbl/champpage/w-softbl-div3-index.html
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2010, 06:30:50 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 06:28:23 PM
I hear you...SCIAC going to 4 conference games this year against each team instead of 3 changes the dynamics of region games. You can't play as many against the Spring Break snowbird teams, etc.
Two pretty solid teams in Cal Lu and Redlands got left at home this year after the SCIAC getting two bids last year (PP and Cal Lu)
Most of your snowbird games were not in-region.
I realize that most of the snowbird games are not in-region. Was commenting on the fact that there could be a shift to more in-region games with more league games, and with a competitive league, more in-region losses.
Key in SCIAC is not to lose to the Whittiers and Oxy's of the world. Redlands lost to both this year, etc.
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 06:28:23 PM
Two pretty solid teams in Cal Lu and Redlands got left at home this year after the SCIAC getting two bids last year (PP and Cal Lu)
Somebody will always get left home. Texas Lutheran is watching this year after they lost two extra inning games to Mississippi College in the ASC tournament. And now Mississippi is int he final. No reason to think that TLU team couldn't have been competitive out here as well.
JSG
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 06:35:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2010, 06:30:50 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 06:28:23 PM
I hear you...SCIAC going to 4 conference games this year against each team instead of 3 changes the dynamics of region games. You can't play as many against the Spring Break snowbird teams, etc.
Two pretty solid teams in Cal Lu and Redlands got left at home this year after the SCIAC getting two bids last year (PP and Cal Lu)
Most of your snowbird games were not in-region.
I realize that most of the snowbird games are not in-region. Was commenting on the fact that there could be a shift to more in-region games with more league games, and with a competitive league, more in-region losses.
Key in SCIAC is not to lose to the Whittiers and Oxy's of the world. Redlands lost to both this year, etc.
Ahh, yes.
But Menlo is leaving D-III. LaSierra, is going NAIA, too. CSU-East Bay left last year. Unless there is some arrangement to bring ASC or NWC teams to southern California or some other location, the isolation just gets more severe. :-\
SCAC teams have rarely shown interest in traveling outside their neighborhoods.
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 06:35:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2010, 06:30:50 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on May 22, 2010, 06:28:23 PM
I hear you...SCIAC going to 4 conference games this year against each team instead of 3 changes the dynamics of region games. You can't play as many against the Spring Break snowbird teams, etc.
Two pretty solid teams in Cal Lu and Redlands got left at home this year after the SCIAC getting two bids last year (PP and Cal Lu)
Most of your snowbird games were not in-region.
I realize that most of the snowbird games are not in-region. Was commenting on the fact that there could be a shift to more in-region games with more league games, and with a competitive league, more in-region losses.
Key in SCIAC is not to lose to the Whittiers and Oxy's of the world. Redlands lost to both this year, etc.
Trinity, Texas Lutheran, and even MAC Freedom Regular Season Champ
DeSales (http://www.d3baseball.com/school/DSAL) lost to
Schreiner (http://www.d3baseball.com/school/SCH) (8-32/6-15) this season.
The problem in the ASC, especially in the ASC-West where most games are 3+ hour bus trips, is that there is just enough good pitching that it is hard to sweep a series against the bottom half of the Division on the road.
HEY! save some those home runs.
LINFIELD with back to back to back HR's with 2 out.
(Fully expect negative talk about the distance to the walls. It's the RAILROAD tracks, folks.)
Up 12-3 on the Choctaws.(Chickasaw, Cherokee, Creek Seminole)
LINFIELD women win again. Yes!
Ralph, where does MC stand on the Native American mascot controversy?
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UTT had a rebuilding year as well. They return almost their entire team including their 94 mph closer unless he is drafted. However UTT looses its head coach.
To win 36 games in a rebuilding year was so unexpected from everyone on the staff.
We lose a big core of seniors and could lose more players if the coaching situation doesn't go as planned. Key losses are Newell, Duke and Jones in the outfield and Skeen behind the plate. We will bring back, however, the entire infield.
And on Logan Chitwood, our junior closer, he will undoubtedly leave if he is drafted. He's already said if he gets any offer, he's gone. He was awesome down the stretch after kind of a shaky start to the year and finished with a 6:1 strikeout to walk ratio.
Quote from: D O.C. on May 22, 2010, 09:05:59 PM
HEY! save some those home runs.
LINFIELD with back to back to back HR's with 2 out.
Up 12-3 on the Choctaws.(Chickasaw, Cherokee, Creek Seminole)
LINFIELD women win again. Yes!
Ralph, where does MC stand on the Native American mascot controversy?
The Mississippi band of Choctaws accepted the nickname and made recommendations that formalized guidelines for its use. I believe MC no longer uses the abbreviation "Chocs".
There may be other recommendations to and accommodations by Miss Coll of which I am not aware.
The MC SID Chris Brooks may have more information.
You wonder how much gas was left in the emotional tank for MissColl.
Linfield was fresh, at home field advantage and must have been sleeping in their own beds.
Just got back from our foray to the northwest. Thank you to the lovely people of Linfield; they did their best in running the tournament.
However; from my propective, the NCAA did almost everthing they could to insure that it was a total disaster. Travel arrangements that were insane, hotels that were an hour from the field, bus drivers taking teams on a two hour detour of northern Oregon. An playing games in rain that would make the Amazon seem like a desert.
It is not fair to the kids and their families for the NCAA to operate in such a manner. It is not fair to the wonderful people of Linfield when the teams are treated with calous indiffernce.
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You wonder how much gas was left in the emotional tank for MissColl.
Linfield was fresh, at home field advantage and must have been sleeping in their own beds.
It was simply the fact that MC had no pitching left. To even question if they had any gas left in their "emotional tank" is odd. Of course they were sky high and wanted to win that game just as bad as Linfield did...
MC won three straight games by 1-run after losing its opener, and had every right to be there fighting for the regional title. I'm hoping this will get the ASC a little more respect in years to come even though UTT went 1-2.
MC had just come off two very close one run games within 24 hours of playing Linfield. I am sure they were emotionaly spent since in both of those games they had blown leads and could have lost either of them. In both games the momentum had shifted to the opposing teams.
But you can't take anythng away from Linfield. Other than the one loss they had they had to PP they won all of their games by 5 runs or more and beat PP going away when it counted in a game they faced elimination. They also shut out Chapman 6-0. They were clearly the best team in a tournament that had alot of 1 run games. They played the same number of games as MC and faced the same pitching challenges but appeared to be deaper in that position.
Thanks, Chris.
I believe that it was JSG who recognized the pitching depth of Linfield.
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2010, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 10:27:57 PM
Okay friends.
Who do we want to lose in the Pomona-Pitzer/Linfield game? ;D
I think you want Linfield to lose. They have the most depth on the mound, and they were my favorite to win the regional. After Colvin, PP is not terribly strong on the mound and I think you'd have a better chance of beating them twice if it came to that.
Linfield's #3 = Reese McCulley 3-2, 3.45 ERA, .257 against
#4 = Casey Cameron 2-0, 2.49 ERA, .164 against (maybe?)
Or maybe it's Hilberg (3-1, 5.56 ERA), Robert Vaughn (1-1, 3.14 ERA)
PP's #3 = Leo Rosetti 6-3, 4.62, .290 against
#4 = Rooke-Ley 5-0, 4.78, .304 against
Or maybe it's Gano (1-0, 4.44 ERA)
And they're up 6-2 after a 3 HR from James Kang & a solo shot from Eirc Munzer. ;)
JSG
Congrats to Linfield. ;D They proved they were the best team in the West this year. 2nd time to Appleton in 3 years. Linfield will do well in Appleton and could be the one to bring a National Championship back to the West Region
Also all the teams in the West Region proved they belong this year and all were outstanding teams. .
Chapman will be back stronger than ever in 2011 returning ALL of their pitchers which were 3rd in the country in ERA in 2010.
CrashDavis has now retired....Its been a great 4 years.... ;D
CD thanks for keeping an even keel on the West boards.
(and I was half serious about practicing in the sprinklers ;D )
Quote from: ILVBB on May 22, 2010, 09:22:32 PM
Travel arrangements that were insane, hotels that were an hour from the field, bus drivers taking teams on a two hour detour of northern Oregon.
This part didn't make sense to me at all. I know the Crown Plaza in Lake O. is the NWC hotel (rate brake for all NWC teams that stay) but McMinnville has plenty of lodging options and those should have been used to house teams for the Tourney and not an hotel that's 45 minutes away and stuck at the corner of two of the busiest highways in the state (I-5/217).
I think that it just takes away from some of the experience these visiting teams and fans could have had in Mac area and save an additional 8 total hours of travel for the teams that had to go back and forth for 4 days.
On another note...huge congrats to Linfield. The 'Cats didn't hit a single HR until today but they really played a great regional tourney.
BTW, enjoyed the Mississippi College kids very much. Hard hitting, hard playing, and a fun group of kids.
A couple thoughts on this year's West Regional for people not there, particularly fans in the South wondering how we stack up.
I don't agree Linfield was clearly the best team, I thought they were the best of several close teams, but they clearly played the best baseball. They split with Pomona and MC had them down in the 7th inning of the first game. Want to know why Linfield wins? In MC's two losses to them, the Choctaws had six errors and ten walks, Linfield had one error and zero walks. They do not beat themselves, just a solid team top to bottom.
I thought earlier this year MC was a potential World Series team, then lost two very good starting pitchers to injury. For MC fans it will be hard not to think"what if" when they think about this season. Those arms would have come in handy today when Linfield had their ace going.
I have to at least partially agree with the poster about Linfield hosting regionals. The Linfield people did a great job and this isn't a knock on them, and this area of the country is stunning. But the weather was absolutely miserable all week (actually had a hail delay) with rain everyday and just about every game. MC's hotel was a good 1 hour to 1 1/2 hour one way drive, and I think a couple other schools had similar arrangements. If this is normal weather, it should be elsewhere. JMO
I agree Linfield can do well in the World Series and I wish them well. They are so fundamental and disciplined, I'm just not sure they have enough pitching to win it. Larson is very good, but I don't know after that. It would be nice for the West representative to go deep, and Linfield will definitely give themselves a chance to win.
Whats up everybody over from the Little East board. Wondering if you guys could tell me a little bout this linfield team. I ask beacause they will be playing Umass Boston out of the LEC and just want to know a little about the linfield squad. Because they are walking into a BUZZSAW in UMB... WELCOME TO BEACONVILLE LINFIELD 8-)
Welcome Jcon8958
What can we say about Linfield?
1) They are deep in pitching.
2) They do not make mistakes.
3) They are coached by former New York Yankee, Scott Brosius.
About Linfield:
They play in the strongest region top to bottom and coach Bro will have them well prepared for next weekend. They do have a lot of guys returning from the 08 team that was in Wisconsin and will be drawing from that experience.
This is not a team to be taken lightly.
Mr. Chris Brooks....hail and baseball do not agree. I agree.
Please bring those Choctaws out in September like HSU and MHB have done for a 'best team didn't win' football game. ;D
Quote from: D O.C. on May 23, 2010, 01:16:49 PM
Mr. Chris Brooks....hail and baseball do not agree. I agree.
Please bring those Choctaws out in September like HSU and MHB have done for a 'best team didn't win' football game. ;D
Fortunately, Mississippi College can get nearby D-III Football games that promote Mississippi College and D-III. They open with Millsaps, and Huntingdon always needs games.
I see but I have to disagree with you cat_fan_08 the new england region up and down is the best region in the country no doubt.
Quote from: D O.C. on May 23, 2010, 01:16:49 PM
Mr. Chris Brooks....hail and baseball do not agree. I agree.
Please bring those Choctaws out in September like HSU and MHB have done for a 'best team didn't win' football game. ;D
Didn't say the best team didn't win, I disagreed that there was one team head and shoulders better. It was a very competitive regional top to bottom, and Linfield deserved to win it.
But my comments on the weather and hotel arrangements shouldn't overshadow how well it was run under the circumstances. Great baseball fans and the atmosphere for the championship game was tremendous. Wish we could have kept it closer, it would have been fun.
Quote from: Jcon8958 on May 23, 2010, 02:30:13 PM
I see but I have to disagree with you cat_fan_08 the new england region up and down is the best region in the country no doubt.
No doubt! As is evidenced by.... well, your post!
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 23, 2010, 02:00:15 AM
A couple thoughts on this year's West Regional for people not there, particularly fans in the South wondering how we stack up.
I don't agree Linfield was clearly the best team, I thought they were the best of several close teams, but they clearly played the best baseball. They split with Pomona and MC had them down in the 7th inning of the first game. Want to know why Linfield wins? In MC's two losses to them, the Choctaws had six errors and ten walks, Linfield had one error and zero walks. They do not beat themselves, just a solid team top to bottom.
I thought earlier this year MC was a potential World Series team, then lost two very good starting pitchers to injury. For MC fans it will be hard not to think"what if" when they think about this season. Those arms would have come in handy today when Linfield had their ace going.
I have to at least partially agree with the poster about Linfield hosting regionals. The Linfield people did a great job and this isn't a knock on them, and this area of the country is stunning. But the weather was absolutely miserable all week (actually had a hail delay) with rain everyday and just about every game. MC's hotel was a good 1 hour to 1 1/2 hour one way drive, and I think a couple other schools had similar arrangements. If this is normal weather, it should be elsewhere. JMO
I agree Linfield can do well in the World Series and I wish them well. They are so fundamental and disciplined, I'm just not sure they have enough pitching to win it. Larson is very good, but I don't know after that. It would be nice for the West representative to go deep, and Linfield will definitely give themselves a chance to win.
To your point... they are disciplined, do not beat themselves... are fundamentally sound.. and that is exactly why they DO have enough pitching to win it. Our ace held you guys to 4 runs over two games... the second of which was on two days rest... the other two games were shutout performances by starters who are aces on most teams in the country. The one starter who got touched up a little bit in the tournament (Garrett Dorn) had an uncharacteristically bad outing... watch for him to bounce back next week. The 'Cats pitching, along with outstanding coaching is the cornerstone of this years squad. Well, that and their patience at the plate... good grief they are selective. I like their chances to take it. JMO
Quote from: CAT BAT 22 on May 23, 2010, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 23, 2010, 02:00:15 AM
A couple thoughts on this year's West Regional for people not there, particularly fans in the South wondering how we stack up.
I don't agree Linfield was clearly the best team, I thought they were the best of several close teams, but they clearly played the best baseball. They split with Pomona and MC had them down in the 7th inning of the first game. Want to know why Linfield wins? In MC's two losses to them, the Choctaws had six errors and ten walks, Linfield had one error and zero walks. They do not beat themselves, just a solid team top to bottom.
I thought earlier this year MC was a potential World Series team, then lost two very good starting pitchers to injury. For MC fans it will be hard not to think"what if" when they think about this season. Those arms would have come in handy today when Linfield had their ace going.
I have to at least partially agree with the poster about Linfield hosting regionals. The Linfield people did a great job and this isn't a knock on them, and this area of the country is stunning. But the weather was absolutely miserable all week (actually had a hail delay) with rain everyday and just about every game. MC's hotel was a good 1 hour to 1 1/2 hour one way drive, and I think a couple other schools had similar arrangements. If this is normal weather, it should be elsewhere. JMO
I agree Linfield can do well in the World Series and I wish them well. They are so fundamental and disciplined, I'm just not sure they have enough pitching to win it. Larson is very good, but I don't know after that. It would be nice for the West representative to go deep, and Linfield will definitely give themselves a chance to win.
To your point... they are disciplined, do not beat themselves... are fundamentally sound.. and that is exactly why they DO have enough pitching to win it. Our ace held you guys to 4 runs over two games... the second of which was on two days rest... the other two games were shutout performances by starters who are aces on most teams in the country. The one starter who got touched up a little bit in the tournament (Garrett Dorn) had an uncharacteristically bad outing... watch for him to bounce back next week. The 'Cats pitching, along with outstanding coaching is the cornerstone of this years squad. Well, that and their patience at the plate... good grief they are selective. I like their chances to take it. JMO
It's not a knock on the pitching staff, it was very good. But we're speaking national championship, I'm not sure it's that level. Larson is very good, I didn't see Vaughn. I hope they win the thing.
I'd chime in more on this topic but I really don't jack about baseball but I thought that our pitching on Friday was incredibly gutsy....Shutting out two teams that can really swing it was impressive to say the least. I have no idea how they stack up "nationally"...I'll leave that debate up to the folks that know.
going on the assumption that we all agreed.... the West bracket was the best out of the bunch... top to bottom. IF that is true... Linfield has enough pitching, assuming we continue to play that kind of shut down defense. I didn't get to see larson when they came to So Cal... I did see Dorn shut down Chapman. I play with ex Chapman guys down here in "Sunday league"... they were saying they can't remember Chapman ever getting shut out. May have to look that up.
Chris.. maybe you're right ... in an 8 team format, theoretically there could be more games than Linfield had to endure in the 6 team regionals. Back to my original point though... here's to hoping the disciplined defense can shorten some of these games. Go 'CATS
Quote from: CAT BAT 22 on May 23, 2010, 09:53:26 PM
going on the assumption that we all agreed.... the West bracket was the best out of the bunch... top to bottom. IF that is true... Linfield has enough pitching, assuming we continue to play that kind of shut down defense. I didn't get to see larson when they came to So Cal... I did see Dorn shut down Chapman. I play with ex Chapman guys down here in "Sunday league"... they were saying they can't remember Chapman ever getting shut out. May have to look that up.
Chris.. maybe you're right ... in an 8 team format, theoretically there could be more games than Linfield had to endure in the 6 team regionals. Back to my original point though... here's to hoping the disciplined defense can shorten some of these games. Go 'CATS
This is the thing. We probably overdo our expectations of other regions. For instance, I really had Linfield-Chapman built up to be the Yankees (fitting with Brosius there) just based on history and the numbers, then find out we (MS College) stacked up well. I thought we were a top program, but it was nice to confirm it against teams that have been there.
Similarly, I probably have too high expectations from other regions. No team is going to roll out 8 great arms. This is the only negative I saw about Linfield, at least this weekend. I thought they would have more power. They hit those three late jacks against us but it was already borderline blowout and they were free swinging. Other than that, there wasn't a lot of power.
I'm not 100% sure the pitching-defense is enough in combination with the offense. But again, we're talking World Series title so I'm being nitpicky. I hope they can get it done. They have a pretty good draw IMO. They play one of the weaker teams on paper and don't face Hopkins the first two days.
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 23, 2010, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: CAT BAT 22 on May 23, 2010, 09:53:26 PM
going on the assumption that we all agreed.... the West bracket was the best out of the bunch... top to bottom. IF that is true... Linfield has enough pitching, assuming we continue to play that kind of shut down defense. I didn't get to see larson when they came to So Cal... I did see Dorn shut down Chapman. I play with ex Chapman guys down here in "Sunday league"... they were saying they can't remember Chapman ever getting shut out. May have to look that up.
Chris.. maybe you're right ... in an 8 team format, theoretically there could be more games than Linfield had to endure in the 6 team regionals. Back to my original point though... here's to hoping the disciplined defense can shorten some of these games. Go 'CATS
This is the thing. We probably overdo our expectations of other regions. For instance, I really had Linfield-Chapman built up to be the Yankees (fitting with Brosius there) just based on history and the numbers, then find out we (MS College) stacked up well. I thought we were a top program, but it was nice to confirm it against teams that have been there.
Similarly, I probably have too high expectations from other regions. No team is going to roll out 8 great arms. This is the only negative I saw about Linfield, at least this weekend. I thought they would have more power. They hit those three late jacks against us but it was already borderline blowout and they were free swinging. Other than that, there wasn't a lot of power.
I'm not 100% sure the pitching-defense is enough in combination with the offense. But again, we're talking World Series title so I'm being nitpicky. I hope they can get it done. They have a pretty good draw IMO. They play one of the weaker teams on paper and don't face Hopkins the first two days.
But UMB plays in one of the the toughest conferences (WIAC, LEC. OAC, NJAC) in the country. They know what the tough games are, and they came out of one of the toughest regions, too.
Well thats why you have to play them. In DIII teams are not going to have the same pitching depth as the D-1 teams. From my perspective the biggest difference between D-I and D-III is the pitching depth. The team with the best defense and pitching depth will win. This is a trueism whether it is D-III or in the professional ranks. My team UTT had the weakest starting pitching but perhaps the best bullpen and closer. Not enough, you need good solid starters. Linfield appears to have that. I am not concerned with a lack of homerun power. They seem to be able to score plenty of runs. I think they have an excellent chance as long as their starters can pitch like they did in the regional. Some will have to come back on short rest if they are going to win it. How they perform with back to back weekends on short rest will be telling.
"Can't tell the players without a program."
Perhaps the people who were at the regionals knew this fun fact because it might have been in the program sold there but when LINFIELD'S solid coaching is spoken of, you have to take into account that one of the assistant coaches is the former head coach for 24 years (Brosius' coach) and athletic director, Scott Carnahan.
ADvantage Catdome = Linfield Baseball Wins Regional (video recap of final game) (http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com)
Maybe next year the west regional can be hosted in the Astrodome in Houston??
Quote from: dp643 on May 24, 2010, 03:08:59 PM
Maybe next year the west regional can be hosted in the Astrodome in Houston??
Who would be the host school if it went to Houston?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 24, 2010, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 24, 2010, 03:08:59 PM
Maybe next year the west regional can be hosted in the Astrodome in Houston??
Who would be the host school if it went to Houston?
Texas Lutheran?
As I understand the issues with hosting.
Texas Lutheran needs lights.
UTT needs an enclosed press box.
Mississippi College and Millsaps have state flag issues.
As stated here earlier, CTX's new facility should be a good one.
Centenary will have a good one when they are a full member.
McMurry is a quality facility.
UMHB would be a good candidate too if they could get some lights as well.
Hey Ralph you out there? Another great year in the D111 ranks, it looks like the west has a new champion and how the mighty has fallen. Hail Ceasar ;D I always liked Borsius as a player and IMHO quite a gentleman also.Last year up at Linfield I had a chance to talk to him a little bit and he represented Linfield well and had nothing but good to say about the Chapman team and coaches.
Anyway just thought I would ring in and say howdy from So. Cal sorry i wasn't on the boards that much this year but work really to it's toll and to be honest just wanted to step away for a little while but as a graduate from the 09 class I really am going to miss the Wooden Nickle and hopefully Linfield can take the banner and represent the west with talent pride and a walnut and bronze trophy that eluded us for the last 4 years. Wayde is in Michigan playing Independent and who knows hopefully will get his day in the sun ( keeping our fingers crossed ) take care and talk to you later
If there is any sense in rotating the regionals it would seem to be Southern California's
"turn." Chapman has lights and I know there are other venues also. Linfield worked hard to host well and were very accomodating. The college athletic facilities are absolutely gorgeous. The weather, however, was not great and hotel accomodations were somewhat limited. Hoping that someone will be able to put together a good bid from the land of sunshine.
While their program has been in some decline, the facilities at Southwestern in Georgetown, TX have been first rate.
In addition, there is plentiful air access into Austin and plentiful hotel/motel accommodations at moderate prices about 10 minutes away on I35.
When Coach Mallon was there. Southwestern hosted the Regional more than once. They were quite successful.
There is some discussion about possible upgrades at Trinity, also, to allow them to host, including the Press Box.
Quote from: ppfm on May 24, 2010, 05:10:36 PM
If there is any sense in rotating the regionals it would seem to be Southern California's
"turn." Chapman has lights and I know there are other venues also. Linfield worked hard to host well and were very accomodating. The college athletic facilities are absolutely gorgeous. The weather, however, was not great and hotel accomodations were somewhat limited. Hoping that someone will be able to put together a good bid from the land of sunshine.
JMO, but I would like to see the NCAA hold one regional site until after the season and selections are made. It would make sense, especially this year. With a terrible forecast at Linfield and 5 teams flying, the NCAA could have given Tyler the regional and only 3 teams would have flown. And if not Tyler, then another school in that area that would have saved two flights and had better weather.
Schools like Mississippi College and Millsaps would also be possibilities without predetermined status to that regional. Makes sense to me.
Welcome back to the boards, Chakote!
I hope that Wayde catches on and moves up thru the minors.
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 24, 2010, 06:24:29 PM
Quote from: ppfm on May 24, 2010, 05:10:36 PM
If there is any sense in rotating the regionals it would seem to be Southern California's
"turn." Chapman has lights and I know there are other venues also. Linfield worked hard to host well and were very accomodating. The college athletic facilities are absolutely gorgeous. The weather, however, was not great and hotel accomodations were somewhat limited. Hoping that someone will be able to put together a good bid from the land of sunshine.
JMO, but I would like to see the NCAA hold one regional site until after the season and selections are made. It would make sense, especially this year. With a terrible forecast at Linfield and 5 teams flying, the NCAA could have given Tyler the regional and only 3 teams would have flown. And if not Tyler, then another school in that area that would have saved two flights and had better weather.
Schools like Mississippi College and Millsaps would also be possibilities without predetermined status to that regional. Makes sense to me.
But Tyler doesn't have an enclosed pressbox!
Quote from: ppfm on May 24, 2010, 05:10:36 PM
If there is any sense in rotating the regionals it would seem to be Southern California's
"turn." Chapman has lights and I know there are other venues also. Linfield worked hard to host well and were very accomodating. The college athletic facilities are absolutely gorgeous. The weather, however, was not great and hotel accomodations were somewhat limited. Hoping that someone will be able to put together a good bid from the land of sunshine.
Cal Lutheran might be a solid host facility as well. Or maybe have Chapman host it at Cal State Fullerton (5 miles) or UC-Irvine (10 miles). Both are incredible D1 facilities.
big Poppa--good ideas. If there are conflicts, Mt. San Antonio College has a great field, could be hosted perhaps by SCIAC---lots and lots of options in Socal. MLB RBI has fields in Compton too. Not to mention tons of hotels and very easy flights. You can be sure there would be at least two that wouldn't need airplane rides to get to the game!
Chapman hosting at Hart Park is fine, but I cringe at the idea of the NCAA regional being played at a city park, which is what Hart Park is. I really like it at Linfield. They clearly do a great job hosting and the surface allowed the games to be played while other regions got less rain and were pushed into Sunday.
Bummer! The coeds waited for the baseball team to head north to freeze their....mitts off in the hail and THEN they did the Undie Run!
http://www.ocregister.com/news/text-249592-article-undie.html (http://www.ocregister.com/news/text-249592-article-undie.html)
Hey, Crash! Heard you retired? It was great reading your insights over the last few years. You guys had a great run for 4 years.
Looked forward to your daily e-mails. Who is going to tell us what is going on? Going to miss you! Good luck and "STAY THIRSTY MY FRIEND"! :'(
Quote from: D O.C. on May 24, 2010, 11:33:44 PM
Bummer! The coeds waited for the baseball team to head north to freeze their....mitts off in the hail and THEN they did the Undie Run!
http://www.ocregister.com/news/text-249592-article-undie.html (http://www.ocregister.com/news/text-249592-article-undie.html)
Gotta love Chapman's traditions! I wish Carthage would have had this event. It is a great stress reliever for Finals Week.
McMurry University's Walt Driggers Field is the site for the 2011 NCAA Division III Baseball West Regional. The tournament, held May 19-22
http://www.ascsports.org/news/2011/1/7/BSB_0107115537.aspx
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NWC: Linfield
SCAC: Trinity
SCIAC : Redlands
ASC: TBD May 8th
Pool B/C: TBA May 16th
Pool C TBA May 16th
Yes this is subject to change by the NCAA ;D.....But for now this is what it is looking like
If Mississippi College were to win the ASC, they're less than 500 miles from Millington but more than 500 from Abilene. So someone else other than the ASC champ might get shipped in if that happened.
Other than that, seems your assessment will be right unless Chapman does not get in or both Hardin-Simmons and UT-Tyler need Pool C berths and get them.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 24, 2011, 06:31:37 PM
McMurry University's Walt Driggers Field is the site for the 2011 NCAA Division III Baseball West Regional. The tournament, held May 19-22
http://www.ascsports.org/news/2011/1/7/BSB_0107115537.aspx
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ascsports.org%2Fimages%2F2011%2F1%2F7%2Frp_primary_driggersfieldWEB.jpg&hash=dde8fe2f936c8392dafcea547d326fd0a9dfcb4f)
NWC: Linfield
SCAC: Trinity
SCIAC : Redlands
ASC: TBD May 8th
Pool B/C: TBA May 16th
Pool C TBA May 16th
Yes this is subject to change by the NCAA ;D.....But for now this is what it is looking like
I see one and maybe two Pool C teams coming from the ASC this year. I do not see the NWC, SCIAC, or SCAC getting a Pool C bid. If Chapman does not get a Pool B/C bid the ASC could have 3 teams IMO in the Regional this year if Texas-Tyler does not win the ASC tourney
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 25, 2011, 06:21:08 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 24, 2011, 06:31:37 PM
McMurry University's Walt Driggers Field is the site for the 2011 NCAA Division III Baseball West Regional. The tournament, held May 19-22
http://www.ascsports.org/news/2011/1/7/BSB_0107115537.aspx
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ascsports.org%2Fimages%2F2011%2F1%2F7%2Frp_primary_driggersfieldWEB.jpg&hash=dde8fe2f936c8392dafcea547d326fd0a9dfcb4f)
NWC: Linfield
SCAC: Trinity
SCIAC : Redlands
ASC: TBD May 8th
Pool B/C: TBA May 16th
Pool C TBA May 16th
Yes this is subject to change by the NCAA ;D.....But for now this is what it is looking like
I see one and maybe two Pool C teams coming from the ASC this year. I do not see the NWC, SCIAC, or SCAC getting a Pool C bid. If Chapman does not get a Pool B/C bid the ASC could have 3 teams IMO in the Regional this year if Texas-Tyler does not win the ASC tourney
IMO the only two NCAA worthy teams in the ASC are H-SC and UTT. If H-SC wins the tourney, UTT will get a Pool C and that's it.
They're not going to pick a 3rd ASC team just because Chapman didn't get in to give the West more bids. They're going to pick the best teams in Pool C nationwide.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 25, 2011, 06:21:08 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 24, 2011, 06:31:37 PM
McMurry University's Walt Driggers Field is the site for the 2011 NCAA Division III Baseball West Regional. The tournament, held May 19-22
http://www.ascsports.org/news/2011/1/7/BSB_0107115537.aspx
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ascsports.org%2Fimages%2F2011%2F1%2F7%2Frp_primary_driggersfieldWEB.jpg&hash=dde8fe2f936c8392dafcea547d326fd0a9dfcb4f)
NWC: Linfield
SCAC: Trinity
SCIAC : Redlands
ASC: TBD May 8th
Pool B/C: TBA May 16th
Pool C TBA May 16th
Yes this is subject to change by the NCAA ;D.....But for now this is what it is looking like
I see one and maybe two Pool C teams coming from the ASC this year. I do not see the NWC, SCIAC, or SCAC getting a Pool C bid. If Chapman does not get a Pool B/C bid the ASC could have 3 teams IMO in the Regional this year if Texas-Tyler does not win the ASC tourney
IMO the only two NCAA worthy teams in the ASC are H-SC and UTT. If H-SC wins the tourney, UTT will get a Pool C and that's it.
They're not going to pick a 3rd ASC team just because Chapman didn't get in to give the West more bids. They're going to pick the best teams in Pool C nationwide.
I'm inclined to agree with ForHeaven here. I don't think there's any way you'll see 3 ASC teams. I actually think the ASC is down a bit this year. If Tyler doesn't win the tourney, they'll get a Pool C bid. If they do win it, I think HSU HAS to be in the championship against them. There's a good chance that the ASC tournament runner-up will have 3 more losses to their in-region games (if it takes them 3 games to win the 1st round).
I don't think it's unreasonable to think they'd fly teams from other regions to Texas if there's better candidates.
If U Dallas swipes a couple from Chapman, I think they have to be in the conversation. They've been pretty good on the mound this year. Michael Schweiss should be in any All-American conversations.
JSG
So I hear that the possible Pool B/C is Chapman/UDallas
Other possible Pool C is HSU/UTT or import from another region.
I dont see SCIAC, SCAC or NWC or what I hear from others a 3rd ASC team in the Regional.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 25, 2011, 10:45:19 PM
So I hear that the possible Pool B/C is Chapman/UDallas
Other possible Pool C is HSU/UTT or import from another region.
I dont see SCIAC, SCAC or NWC or what I hear from others a 3rd ASC team in the Regional.
The SCAC teams in the west region definitely wont get a pool C team. The others I do not know enough about.
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on April 25, 2011, 11:13:00 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 25, 2011, 10:45:19 PM
So I hear that the possible Pool B/C is Chapman/UDallas
Other possible Pool C is HSU/UTT or import from another region.
I dont see SCIAC, SCAC or NWC or what I hear from others a 3rd ASC team in the Regional.
The SCAC teams in the west region definitely wont get a pool C team. The others I do not know enough about.
None of the SCAC east teams are a threat to get a bid. Now, next year, when B-SC is finally eligible ...
Its a good bet you will find all teams that will be going to the West Regional's in the list below. Now who will be those 6. Linfield, Redlands, Trinity have clinched Pool A bids. Only a upset in the ASC tourney and Chapman's collapse in their remaining 6 games can cause some major shifts and a possibilty of a Pool C team coming from outside the region
Rk School (first) Last Rec. Pts
5 Texas-Tyler 6 33-4 497
6 Linfield 5 26-8 492
15 Chapman 11 24-10 228
18 Redlands 19 26-9 171
19 Trinity (Texas) 24 33-11 163
23 Pomona-Pitzer 23 27-10 124
Also receiving votes: Hardin-Simmons 21, George Fox 11, University of Dallas 7
What kind of scenario could play out (if any) where George Fox would make it? Even if they did make it, would they go to this regional or be shipped out elsewhere?
Quote from: playball on April 26, 2011, 11:43:05 AM
What kind of scenario could play out (if any) where George Fox would make it? Even if they did make it, would they go to this regional or be shipped out elsewhere?
I dont see a 2nd team from the NWC making any regional. Plus GF is sitting in 4th place in the NWC. Also its weak SOS (206) for George Fox will not help either. SOS = Strength of Schedule.
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 25, 2011, 08:19:56 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 25, 2011, 06:21:08 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 24, 2011, 06:31:37 PM
McMurry University's Walt Driggers Field is the site for the 2011 NCAA Division III Baseball West Regional. The tournament, held May 19-22
http://www.ascsports.org/news/2011/1/7/BSB_0107115537.aspx
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ascsports.org%2Fimages%2F2011%2F1%2F7%2Frp_primary_driggersfieldWEB.jpg&hash=dde8fe2f936c8392dafcea547d326fd0a9dfcb4f)
NWC: Linfield
SCAC: Trinity
SCIAC : Redlands
ASC: TBD May 8th
Pool B/C: TBA May 16th
Pool C TBA May 16th
Yes this is subject to change by the NCAA ;D.....But for now this is what it is looking like
I see one and maybe two Pool C teams coming from the ASC this year. I do not see the NWC, SCIAC, or SCAC getting a Pool C bid. If Chapman does not get a Pool B/C bid the ASC could have 3 teams IMO in the Regional this year if Texas-Tyler does not win the ASC tourney
IMO the only two NCAA worthy teams in the ASC are H-SC and UTT. If H-SC wins the tourney, UTT will get a Pool C and that's it.
They're not going to pick a 3rd ASC team just because Chapman didn't get in to give the West more bids. They're going to pick the best teams in Pool C nationwide.
I'm inclined to agree with Crash here. I don't think there's any way you'll see 3 ASC teams. I actually think the ASC is down a bit this year. If Tyler doesn't win the tourney, they'll get a Pool C bid. If they do win it, I think HSU HAS to be in the championship against them. There's a good chance that the ASC tournament runner-up will have 3 more losses to their in-region games (if it takes them 3 games to win the 1st round).
They have to fly the TX teams out west anyway so I don't think it's unreasonable to think they'd fly teams form other regions out west if there's better candidates.
If U Dallas swipes a couple from Chapman, I think they have to be in the conversation. They've been pretty good on the mound this year. Michael Schweiss should be in any All-American conversations.
JSG
I think you're confused. Crash is the one that said he could see 3 ASC teams. I said I didn't (unless there's a surprise champion).
Also the regional is in TX, so no flying TX teams should be necessary.
I see ASC getting 2 teams in Regional in 2011.
SCAC no, NWC no SCIAC no.
The only way the ASC will get two teams is if UTT does not win the conference tournament. The ASC is down this year and from what I am reading so are other conferences in the west. It would therfore not surprise me that a non-regional team is shipped in. Chapman is likely to make it IMO as I believe they sweep UD and win at least one of their final 3 games.
Texas BB
West doesn't seem likely to be short of teams as long as Chapman or University of Dallas makes it, or there is a surprise champ in the ASC. I think Hardin-Simmons should get in on a Pool C if they don't get blitzed in their tournament.
If neither get a bid, then there could be a fly-in, from just about anywhere really. If 2 or more of the above happen, then UD or UTT could be headed to Millington unless the champ of the ASC is Louisiana or Mississippi.
UDallas is a good example of how tough the ASC is.
Against a representative schedule of ASC teams (3 teams from each division, and 2 of the 6 foes making the ASC tourney), UDallas is only 9-6. They went 3-3 against ASC tourney teams, East #2 UT-Dallas and West #3 Texas Lutheran. They might have qualified for the ASC East, where there was a 3-way tie for 2nd at 11-7 with UT-Dallas, Louisiana College and Mississippi College.
They definitely would have qualified for the tournament in the west this year.
Regional Prediction
Linfield
Redlands
Texas-Tyler
Hardin Simmons
Trinity Texas
Chapman or UDallas or La Verne, or Cal Lutheran ???
TEAM R%+OWP
149 Linfield 1.350
274 Texas-Tyler 1.346
115 Redlands 1.317
152 Pomona-Pitzer 1.240
30 Chapman 1.237
245 Trinity (Texas) 1.199
240 Hardin-Simmons1.191
106 La Verne 1.187
181 Cal Lutheran 1.148
208 George Fox 1.148
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 27, 2011, 04:15:12 PM
TEAM R%+OWP
149 Linfield 1.350
274 Texas-Tyler 1.346
115 Redlands 1.317
152 Pomona-Pitzer 1.240
30 Chapman 1.237
245 Trinity (Texas) 1.199
240 Hardin-Simmons1.191
106 La Verne 1.187
181 Cal Lutheran 1.148
208 George Fox 1.148
One would expect HSU to move up with conference tournament play. If they meet up with UT-Tyler in the final they could end up above Chapman, but passing Pomona-Pitzer seems more likely.
My prediction for the regional rankings coming out later today...
Linfield
Redlands
Texas-Tyler
Chapman
Pomona-Pitzer
La Verne
Next 4:
Hardin-Simmons
Trinity (Texas)
Cal Lutheran
George Fox
It might be worth while for Ralph or someone else knowledgable to explain how the regional rankings are determined. Linfield in #1 and most people on this board predicted that. However they have less wins and more losses in the region than UT-Tyler does. The quality of their opponents must be deemed higher (more quality wins and losses to bettter quality opponents). Since most of UT-Tylers regional wens wins and all of its losses are against ASC teams it does not say much for the ASC.
Texas BB
West Region
1 Linfield 24-5 26-8
2 Texas-Tyler 30-4 33-4
3 Redlands 21-6 26-9
4 Chapman 15-8 24-10
5 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11
6 Hardin-Simmons 24-10 28-11
:)
Linfield went 4-0 in Arizona in February including decisive wins over UT-Dallas and Concordia, and LaVerne and Cal Lu. Tha Arizona tournament may be the difference! They also beat Chapman 3 games to 1. They have the strongest schedule in the West. Linfield Coach Scott Brosius knows whom and how to schedule! Linfield 2011 season (http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/Linfield/2011/index)
UT-Tyler went 1-2 versus UT-D, and they have no signature wins over non-ASC-East teams. This year, UMHB, Hendrix, Austin College and McMurry were just not strong, and did not help UTT.
Therefore, the committee had good reason to rank Linfield higher on common opponent(s).
UT-Tyler gets to play a lot of games at home. I think that the program should investigate a West Coast/Arizona trip, every other year, at the least.
This will help answer the WHY QUESTIONS
http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankingsRedirect&sportCode=MBA®ion=40&division=3
http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
West Region
1 Linfield 24-5 26-8
2 Texas-Tyler 30-4 33-4
3 Redlands 21-6 26-9
4 Chapman 15-8 24-10
5 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11
6 Hardin-Simmons 24-10 28-11
:)
Linfield went 4-0 in Arizona in February including decisive wins over UT-Dallas and Concordia, and LaVerne and Cal Lu. Tha Arizona tournament may be the difference! They also beat Chapman 3 games to 1. They have the strongest schedule in the West. Linfield Coach Scott Brosius knows whom and how to schedule! Linfield 2011 season (http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/Linfield/2011/index)
UT-Tyler went 1-2 versus UT-D, and they have no signature wins over non-ASC-East teams. This year, UMHB, Hendrix, Austin College and McMurry were just not strong, and did not help UTT.
Therefore, the committee had good reason to rank Linfield higher on common opponent(s).
UT-Tyler gets to play a lot of games at home. I think that the program should investigate a West Coast/Arizona trip, every other year, at the least.
Regarding the "toughest schedule in the West", the link to the SOS (provided by Crash Davis) lists the teams in the West with the toughest schedule as follows:
# 31 Chapman
#113 Redlands
#148 Linfield
#237 Hardin Simmons
#242 Trinity
#273 Texas Tyler
This helps explain the West Regional rankings, especially with regard to Texas-Tyler and Trinity. Redlands and Chapman's SOS will rise with their remaining games.
Quote from: El Hombre on April 29, 2011, 12:09:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
West Region
1 Linfield 24-5 26-8
2 Texas-Tyler 30-4 33-4
3 Redlands 21-6 26-9
4 Chapman 15-8 24-10
5 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11
6 Hardin-Simmons 24-10 28-11
:)
Linfield went 4-0 in Arizona in February including decisive wins over UT-Dallas and Concordia, and LaVerne and Cal Lu. Tha Arizona tournament may be the difference! They also beat Chapman 3 games to 1. They have the strongest schedule in the West. Linfield Coach Scott Brosius knows whom and how to schedule! Linfield 2011 season (http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/Linfield/2011/index)
UT-Tyler went 1-2 versus UT-D, and they have no signature wins over non-ASC-East teams. This year, UMHB, Hendrix, Austin College and McMurry were just not strong, and did not help UTT.
Therefore, the committee had good reason to rank Linfield higher on common opponent(s).
UT-Tyler gets to play a lot of games at home. I think that the program should investigate a West Coast/Arizona trip, every other year, at the least.
Regarding the "toughest schedule in the West", the link to the SOS (provided by Crash Davis) lists the teams in the West with the toughest schedule as follows:
# 31 Chapman
#113 Redlands
#148 Linfield
#237 Hardin Simmons
#242 Trinity
#273 Texas Tyler
This helps explain the West Regional rankings, especially with regard to Texas-Tyler and Trinity. Redlands and Chapman's SOS will rise with their remaining games.
Coach Brosius had 24 games in the NWC that he had to schedule. That left 16 open dates.
With those 16, he scheduled four games against 4 teams that finished in the top half of their conference/divisions. He beat Chapman 3 out of 4. He picked up 2 more game against the #3 and #4T teams in its conference. (He had no control over the 6 games with Whitman and Lewis & Clark)
Chapman does a good job with scheduling. They are not saddled with 3 games against Oxy and 3 games against Cal Tech, which would drop their SOS. This year, both McMurry and Wheaton IL were down. Chapman had the early season hiccup against
Whitman Whiitier.
Thanks and +1 to Jack Parkman for the correction of Whitman to Whittier. :)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
West Region
1 Linfield 24-5 (.828) 26-8
2 Texas-Tyler 30-4 (.882) 33-4
3 Redlands 21-6 (.777) 26-9
4 Chapman 15-8 (.652) 24-10
5 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 (.729) 33-11
6 Hardin-Simmons 24-10 (.705) 28-11
:)
In-region winning percentage
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2011, 12:48:54 AM
Quote from: El Hombre on April 29, 2011, 12:09:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
West Region
1 Linfield 24-5 26-8
2 Texas-Tyler 30-4 33-4
3 Redlands 21-6 26-9
4 Chapman 15-8 24-10
5 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11
6 Hardin-Simmons 24-10 28-11
:)
Linfield went 4-0 in Arizona in February including decisive wins over UT-Dallas and Concordia, and LaVerne and Cal Lu. Tha Arizona tournament may be the difference! They also beat Chapman 3 games to 1. They have the strongest schedule in the West. Linfield Coach Scott Brosius knows whom and how to schedule! Linfield 2011 season (http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/Linfield/2011/index)
UT-Tyler went 1-2 versus UT-D, and they have no signature wins over non-ASC-East teams. This year, UMHB, Hendrix, Austin College and McMurry were just not strong, and did not help UTT.
Therefore, the committee had good reason to rank Linfield higher on common opponent(s).
UT-Tyler gets to play a lot of games at home. I think that the program should investigate a West Coast/Arizona trip, every other year, at the least.
Regarding the "toughest schedule in the West", the link to the SOS (provided by Crash Davis) lists the teams in the West with the toughest schedule as follows:
# 31 Chapman
#113 Redlands
#148 Linfield
#237 Hardin Simmons
#242 Trinity
#273 Texas Tyler
This helps explain the West Regional rankings, especially with regard to Texas-Tyler and Trinity. Redlands and Chapman's SOS will rise with their remaining games.
Coach Brosius had 24 games in the NWC that he had to schedule. That left 16 open dates.
With those 16, he scheduled four games against 4 teams that finished in the top half of their conference/divisions. He beat Chapman 3 out of 4. He picked up 2 more game against the #3 and #4T teams in its conference. (He had no control over the 6 games with Whitman and Lewis & Clark)
Chapman does a good job with scheduling. They are not saddled with 3 games against Oxy and 3 games against Cal Tech, which would drop their SOS. This year, both McMurry and Wheaton IL were down. Chapman had the early season hiccup against WhitmanWhittier.
Just a quick fix for you.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
Chapman does a good job with scheduling. They are not saddled with 3 games against Oxy and 3 games against Cal Tech, which would drop their SOS. This year, both McMurry and Wheaton IL were down. Chapman had the early season hiccup against WhitmanWhittier.
If Chapman becomes a member of the SCIAC their SOS will definitely drop in the future which would make it more difficult road to the playoffs unless they won the SCIAC. Chapman has not done great against all SCIAC teams in recent years. Whittier and Pomona play Chapmav very tough recently. Cal Lu and Redlands have also had some success against Chapman.
Regional Rankings in West
1 Linfield 24-5 26-8 (Pool A)
2 Texas-Tyler 30-4 33-4
3 Redlands 21-6 26-9 (Pool A)
4 Chapman 15-8 24-10
5 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11 (Pool A)
6 Hardin-Simmons 24-10 28-11
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 29, 2011, 06:36:54 PM
Regional Rankings in West Records are thru last weekend
1 Linfield 24-5 26-8 (Pool A) 6 games left/5 in-region (4 PacLu and 1 GFU)
2 Texas-Tyler 30-4 33-4 Lost game #1 to McMurry ASC Semifinals
3 Redlands 21-6 26-9 (Pool A) CalTech and 3 games with Chapman left
4 Chapman 15-8 24-10 3-game series with UDallas and 3-game series with Redland (1 home/2 away)
5 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11 (Pool A) Season completed
6 Hardin-Simmons 24-10 28-11 Lost game #1 to Mississippi College in ASC Semifinals
South tough games left out there. Trinity may have a chance to float up a notch or 2 because they are done.
Final score: ASC-West #4 McMurry 5, ASC-East #1 Tyler 4. McMurry has won the series, 2-0. UTT has been eliminated from the ASC tourney.
UTT goes to Pool C.
Regional Rankings in West
1 Linfield (Pool A bid) Takes first 2 with PaLu. 1with PacLu and 1 GFU left
2 Texas-Tyler Season completed. Loses 2 to McMurry ASC Semifinals falls to Pool C
3 Redlands (Pool A bid) beats CalTech. 3 games with Chapman left
4 Chapman Chapman takes 2 from UDallas. 1 with UDallas. 3 with Redlands left
5 Trinity (Texas) (Pool A bid ) Season completed
6 Hardin-Simmons Wins 2 of 3 from Mississippi College in ASC Semifinals. Texas-Dallas next
Is there any way that any of these teams end up in another regional?
Quote from: playball on May 02, 2011, 12:57:19 AM
Is there any way that any of these teams end up in another regional?
A few years ago Linfield was placed in another region for the playoffs they won the region and made it to Appleton, WI along with West Region champion Chapman
This year I don't see this happening. The West Region is not as strong this year as prior years. The West will only get 6 teams in my opinion.
Right now it looks like the following teams will be there. Of course losses by Chapman or Hardin Simmons could knock them out
1. Linfield
2. Redlands
3. Texas Tyler
4. Trinity Texas
5. Chapman
6. Hardin Simmons
Hardin Simmons losing in the ASC tournament or Chapman losing to Redlands can change this list
Say McMurry goes 2 and out in the 2nd round of the ASC tournament, and Hardin Simmons losses in the finals to UT Dallas. UT Dallas gets the Pool A bid. Does HSU or Tyler get the Pool C? Or Neither?
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 09:44:13 AM
Say McMurry goes 2 and out in the 2nd round of the ASC tournament, and Hardin Simmons losses in the finals to UT Dallas. UT Dallas gets the Pool A bid. Does HSU or Tyler get the Pool C? Or Neither?
Too many variable to determine yet. A lot of it will be based on who lands Pool A bids in other conferences. I think we will have abetter feel for it once the new regional rankings arrive this Thursday. It will gives us a sense of where they are each sitting.
WEST
1 Linfield 27-5 29-8
2 Redlands 23-6 28-9
3 Chapman 18-8 27-10
4 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11
5 Texas-Tyler 30-7 33-7
6 Hardin-Simmons 27-11 31-12
If Chapman wins the Redlands series, which I think earns them one of the Pool B bids over the other contenders, then UTT is likely the first Pool C team at the table for the West. I think that it looks good for UTT.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
WEST
1 Linfield 27-5 29-8
2 Redlands 23-6 28-9
3 Chapman 18-8 27-10
4 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11
5 Texas-Tyler 30-7 33-7
6 Hardin-Simmons 27-11 31-12
If Chapman wins the Redlands series, which I think earns them one of the Pool B bids over the other contenders, then UTT is likely the first Pool C team at the table for the West. I think that it looks good for UTT.
If Chapman wins 2 or 3 over Redlands they get a Pool B bid. What happens if they win 1 or none ? Will they still be in contention for a Pool C bid ?
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 05, 2011, 06:05:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
WEST
1 Linfield 27-5 29-8
2 Redlands 23-6 28-9
3 Chapman 18-8 27-10
4 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11
5 Texas-Tyler 30-7 33-7
6 Hardin-Simmons 27-11 31-12
If Chapman wins the Redlands series, which I think earns them one of the Pool B bids over the other contenders, then UTT is likely the first Pool C team at the table for the West. I think that it looks good for UTT.
If Chapman wins 2 or 3 over Redlands they get a Pool B bid. What happens if they win 1 or none ? Will they still be in contention for a Pool C bid ?
I think Chapman is in great shape - I agree with the following assessment from JohnnyU. His post from another thread is as follows:
from JohnnyU: "I think unless they get swept, they're in. They will have, by far, the best SOS of contenders in the West and winning one game puts them at a .655 in-region win%. Getting swept and ending up with a .621 in-region win% is a little less safe, even with the great SOS.
**Even losing 2 out of 3 will put them in much better shape than UTT, who, by the time selection time comes around, I think will have the WORST SOS in the West. Not a good sign.**
The best SOS in the world doesn't mean diddly if you lost a bunch of 'em. Not sure I'd go as far as Johnny U on that one.
The West Regional Teams are almost set
1) Linfield
2) Chapman
3) Redlands
4) Trinity Texas
5) Texas Tyler
6) ASC Champion(Texas-Dallas or Concordia-Texas)
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 08, 2011, 04:31:33 AM
The West Regional Teams are almost set
1) Linfield
2) Chapman
3) Redlands
4) Trinity Texas
5) Texas Tyler
6) ASC Champion(Texas-Dallas or Concordia-Texas)
Agree with your new rankings.....I hope chapman jumps Redlands. While I would love for Trinity to give Rauh his first collegiate loss, I won't be upset if TU doesn't get to face him.
West Regional Prediction
1) Linfield(31-9) - Regular Season completed POOL A NWC Conference
2) Chapman(29-11) Regular season completed POOL B
3) Redlands(29-11) Regular season completed POOL A SCIAC Conference
4) Trinity Texas(33-11) Regular season completed POOL A SCAC Conference
5) Texas Tyler(33-6) Regular season completed POOL C
6) Concordia-Texas(28-15) completed POOL A ASC Conference
Six-Team (Four Days)
The format for the tournament where six teams participate:
Game 1—Team 1 vs. Team 6
Game 2—Team 2 vs. Team 5
Game 3—Team 3 vs. Team 4
Game 4—Loser Game 1 vs. Loser Game 2
Game 5—Winner Game 1 vs. Loser Game 3
Game 6—Winner Game 2 vs. Winner Game 3
If four teams remain after Game 6, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 7—Winner Game 5 vs. Winner Game 6
Game 8—Winner Game 4 vs. Loser Game 6
Game 9—Loser Game 7 vs. Winner Game 8
Game 10—Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 9
Game 11—If necessary, same teams as in Game 10
If five teams remain after Game 6, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 7—Loser Game 5 vs. Loser Game 6
Game 8—Winner Game 4 vs. Winner Game 5
Game 9—Winner Game 6 vs. Winner Game 7
If two teams remain after Game 9, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 10—Winner Game 8 vs. Winner Game 9
Game 11—If necessary, same teams as in Game 10
If three teams remain after Game 9, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 10—Winner Game 8 vs. Loser Game 9
Game 11—Winner Game 9 vs. Winner Game 10
In all six-team tournaments, Games 1, 2 and 3 will be played on the first day; Games 4, 5 and 6 will be played on the second day; Games 7, 8 and 9 will be played on the third day, and Games 10 and 11 will be played on the fourth day.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 08, 2011, 10:04:46 AM
West Regional Prediction
1) Linfield(31-9) - Regular Season completed POOL A NWC Conference
2) Chapman(29-11) Regular season completed POOL B
3) Redlands(29-11) Regular season completed POOL A SCIAC Conference
4) Trinity Texas(33-11) Regular season completed POOL A SCAC Conference
5) Texas Tyler(33-6) Regular season completed POOL C
6) Concordia-Texas(28-15) completed POOL A ASC Conference
Six-Team (Four Days)
The format for the tournament where six teams participate:
Game 1—Team 1 vs. Team 6
Game 2—Team 2 vs. Team 5
Game 3—Team 3 vs. Team 4
Game 4—Loser Game 1 vs. Loser Game 2
Game 5—Winner Game 1 vs. Loser Game 3
Game 6—Winner Game 2 vs. Winner Game 3
If four teams remain after Game 6, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 7—Winner Game 5 vs. Winner Game 6
Game 8—Winner Game 4 vs. Loser Game 6
Game 9—Loser Game 7 vs. Winner Game 8
Game 10—Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 9
Game 11—If necessary, same teams as in Game 10
If five teams remain after Game 6, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 7—Loser Game 5 vs. Loser Game 6
Game 8—Winner Game 4 vs. Winner Game 5
Game 9—Winner Game 6 vs. Winner Game 7
If two teams remain after Game 9, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 10—Winner Game 8 vs. Winner Game 9
Game 11—If necessary, same teams as in Game 10
If three teams remain after Game 9, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 10—Winner Game 8 vs. Loser Game 9
Game 11—Winner Game 9 vs. Winner Game 10
In all six-team tournaments, Games 1, 2 and 3 will be played on the first day; Games 4, 5 and 6 will be played on the second day; Games 7, 8 and 9 will be played on the third day, and Games 10 and 11 will be played on the fourth day.
I like your projected/implied seedings.
Linfield's Scott Brosius vs Cocncordia-Texas' Tommy Boggs.
UTT gets to see Chapman's Rauh.
Trinity and Redlands, too.
After several years of seeing these regional tournaments and most of the teams that are likely to be there in the west; what I have learned is the champion comes from the following:
1. Pitching depth; whomever sees Raugh in the first game will need to dig deep.
2. Experience; teams and programs that have been to the regionals before seem to do better. I firmly believe that Chapman comes every year expecting to win; that makes a difference.
3. Coaching; experienced teams with coaches that have been there before and can "convince" their team that they can "walk on water" have an advantage.
4. Depth; after the second game the team with the greatest depth wins. Hitters tend to eat up the second line pitchers.
I like; Linfield, Chapman, Trinity, Tyler, Redlands and Concordia in that order. But then again have been wrong most of the time.
I am curious to see if Linfield, Chapman or Redlands is sent to a different regional since the NCAA has to fly them anyway. Is there another team in the South that can make the drive to McMurry?
I can see one of them landing in either the Central or Midwest.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 09, 2011, 03:15:42 PM
I am curious to see if Linfield, Chapman or Redlands is sent to a different regional since the NCAA has to fly them anyway. Is there another team in the South that can make the drive to McMurry?
I can see one of them landing in either the Central or Midwest.
Big Poppa, you gotta come to Texas some time. We can drive 500 miles and still not get to all of the campuses in the ASC! :)
I think that the West Regional is pretty much set. Chapman is the Pool B, and I will be
very surprised if the ASC does not get a Pool C bid, which I think will be UT-Tyler.
I believe that Thursday's Regional Ranking will lock in the bracket. :)
Ralph- Funny! On Snelling Avenue alone in St. Paul there is Bethel, Northwestern, Hamline, Macalester, St. Thomas and St. Kate's... all within 4-5 miles.
Just for illustration purposes Sul Ross State is about 910 miles from Mississippi College. That is the extreme distance between the farthest west team in the conference and the farthest eastern team. A more represtantive average would be McMurry and UTT which are 280 miles apart. Still a good 4 1/2 to 5 hour drive. Concordia is in Austin a mere 220 miles from Abilene - 4 hours. The ASC, as Ralph has said many times, is isolated and spread out.
Texas BB
Teams in the West ;D
NCBWA/D3baseball.com Top 25 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Week 11, 2011
http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week11
Rk School (first) Last Rec. Pts
5 Linfield 3 31-9 519
11 Texas-Tyler 11 33-6 350
12 Chapman 14 29-11 324
17 Trinity (Texas) 19 33-11 203
19 Redlands 17 29-11 147
Also receiving votes:31) Concordia-Austin 21, 32) Pomona-Pitzer 20, 35) Hardin-Simmons 13,
Possible Round 1 Games in Abilene, TX
Linfield vs Concordia-Austin
Texas-Tyler vs Redlands
Chapman vs Trinity TX
Does Concordia get a spot in the rankings or will La Verne or Pomona sneak in there? I thought George Fox had a decent shot to move in with another win over Linfield. Didn't happen.
Quote from: OshDude on May 10, 2011, 12:01:36 PM
Does Concordia get a spot in the rankings or will La Verne or Pomona sneak in there? I thought George Fox had a decent shot to move in with another win over Linfield. Didn't happen.
not sure if it matters, since concordia is in with a Pool A. maybe i didnt understand your question.....
Quote from: OshDude on May 10, 2011, 12:01:36 PM
I thought George Fox had a decent shot to move in with another win over Linfield. Didn't happen.
That's what they get for always calling us "Sinfield". Damn Quakers. ;)
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 10, 2011, 12:04:31 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 10, 2011, 12:01:36 PM
Does Concordia get a spot in the rankings or will La Verne or Pomona sneak in there? I thought George Fox had a decent shot to move in with another win over Linfield. Didn't happen.
not sure if it matters, since concordia is in with a Pool A. maybe i didnt understand your question.....
That is the question. Does the Pool A team get in the rankings or does a Pool C team? And where does the new team get ranked?
Look at Chapman's spelling in the Week 2 regional rankings on the NCAA and D3baseball sites. Just noticed it today. They may be on to something there.
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3 (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3)
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3baseball/2011/05/05/second-2011-ncaa-regional-rankings/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3baseball/2011/05/05/second-2011-ncaa-regional-rankings/)
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 10, 2011, 07:38:36 AM
Teams in the West ;D
NCBWA/D3baseball.com Top 25 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Week 11, 2011
http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week11
Rk School (first) Last Rec. Pts
5 Linfield 3 31-9 519
11 Texas-Tyler 11 33-6 350
12 Chapman 14 29-11 324
17 Trinity (Texas) 19 33-11 203
19 Redlands 17 29-11 147
Also receiving votes:31) Concordia-Austin 21, 32) Pomona-Pitzer 20, 35) Hardin-Simmons 13,
Possible Round 1 Games in Abilene, TX
Linfield vs Concordia-Austin
Texas-Tyler vs Redlands
Chapman vs Trinity TX
Except the rankings are totally irrelevant when it comes to the NCAA picking and seeding playoff teams ...
There has been a disconnect between the rankings and the seedings in the west. There is a very good chance that Concordia Austin will be ranked higher than UTT in the final west region rankings. That is because they won the conference tournament even though they are not even ranked in the top 25.
In so far as picking which teams are really the best is all opinion either way. For example the division rankings rely on SOS but that is opinion based as well. The ASC teams play and beat each other and many do not play many games outside of the ASC except very early in the season. Thus they get low SOS. What we don't know is how good the ASC is as opposed to other confernces. How does a 33-6 UTT compare to Marrietta for example. At the end of the day you can't really tell so you go with the best you have and that is a percieved SOS for better or worse.
Texas BB
Concordia and UT Dallas both lost to Linfield and George Fox earlier in the year. That doesnt bode well for comparing the ASC right now to other conferences in region. McMurry got smoked by Chapman as well.
Quote from: dp643 on May 10, 2011, 10:20:15 PM
Concordia and UT Dallas both lost to Linfield and George Fox earlier in the year. That doesnt bode well for comparing the ASC right now to other conferences in region. McMurry got smoked by Chapman as well.
A cautionary tale...
Those games were 3 months ago. Let's see what happens at the end of the season.
I completely agree Ralph. Im just comparing all we have to go on at this point. Concordia is a much better team now than they were at the beginning in my opinion. Ive acknowledged that in the ASC thread.
anyone know when the west region starts?
The McMurry release says Thurs and the NCAA handbook says all regionals will start on the 18th (Wed.)
West Region final rankings are in:
Linfield
Chapman
Redlands
Trinity
Tyler
La Verne
Two things of note: CTX the ASC champ is not ranked and the published record for UTT is wrong. They are 33-6 with a 30-6 record in the West. The rankings have them 33-7 with a 30-7 record in the West. I don't know if that error on the loss side means anything.
What I also don't know is what this means for an at large C bid for UTT.
If they go with the A winners and Chapman and then pick the next highest ranked West Division team then Tyler is in. However .....
Texas BB
I wonder IF..... ???
West Regional is
Chapman
Redlands
Trinty Texas
Tyler Texas
La Verne
Concordia Texas
AND
Linfield's plane ride DOES NOT land in Abilene.......Has happen before.... :D
I can see Linfield filling a spot in Whitewater
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2011, 11:33:37 PM
I can see Linfield filling a spot in Whitewater
Linfield to Whitewater approximately 2000 miles
Linfiedl to Abilene approximately 1900+ miles...
I thing Big Poppa is correct....
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2011, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2011, 11:33:37 PM
I can see Linfield filling a spot in Whitewater
Linfield to Whitewater approximately 2000 miles
Linfiedl to Abilene approximately 1900+ miles...
I thing Big Poppa is correct....
How does LaVerne get the 15th Pool C bid with their record?
If the NCAA is going to fly a team someplace, Rhodes/Millington TN may need a 6th team, too. I think that CNU will be the #1 seed in Millington.
I would rather see UT-Tyler bussed to Millington, if a "LaVerne" is going to be flown to Abilene.
My reason for wanting to send UTT to Memphis is so the ASC has teams in 2 brackets.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2011, 12:20:22 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2011, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2011, 11:33:37 PM
I can see Linfield filling a spot in Whitewater
Linfield to Whitewater approximately 2000 miles
Linfiedl to Abilene approximately 1900+ miles...
I thing Big Poppa is correct....
How does LaVerne get the 15th Pool C bid with their record?
If the NCAA is going to fly a team someplace, Rhodes/Millington TN may need a 6th team, too. I think that CNU will be the #1 seed in Millington.
I would rather see UT-Tyler bussed to Millington, if a "LaVerne" is going to be flown to Abilene.
My reason for wanting to send UTT to Memphis is so the ASC has teams in 2 brackets.
How does La Verne get regionally ranked with their record is the bigger question ? ???
La Verne did beat 3 regionally ranked teams Kean, Chapman, Redlands ;D
BUT
SOS is 126 Regionally win % is 71 and OWP is 128
BUT
Redlands is even lower in SOS and OWP
SOS and OWP don't work in the West Region, and the regional and national committees (should) know it. SOS and OWP are a mathematical function of the population. (I hope that is the proper term for that statistical concept.) There are not enough teams in the area to create a schedule that will reflect a strong OWP, so all of the OWP's and OOWP's are around .500.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2011, 07:01:54 AM
SOS and OWP don't work in the West Region, and the regional and national committees (should) know it. SOS and OWP are a mathematical function of the population. (I hope that is the proper term for that statistical concept.) There are not enough teams in the area to create a schedule that will reflect a strong OWP, so all of the OWP's and OOWP's are around .500.
Then how in the heck do they come up with the west division rankings? I will use UTT as an example. They have a better win-loss regional record than any team in the region. Why then are they ranked below Trininty or Redlands for that matter? It has always mysitified me. So it really appears to boil down to "feel" or opinion.
At the end of the day the coaches and players at UTT don't care about the rankings etc. They just want to be invited to the dance and don't care where the dance is held.
Texas BB
Trinity and Redlands BOTH won their conferences. They are rewarded for that.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 13, 2011, 09:11:11 AM
Trinity and Redlands BOTH won their conferences. They are rewarded for that.
Understand that concept but why then wasn't CTX "rewarded" for winning the ASC. Why is La Verne ranked instead?
The logic, if there is any, breaks down at that point, thus opinion and feel come into play.
Texas BB
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 12, 2011, 12:00:22 PM
anyone know when the west region starts?
The McMurry release says Thurs and the NCAA handbook says all regionals will start on the 18th (Wed.)
TigerFan -
Good catch. I checked with McMurry - they confirmed the start date is May 18th.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 13, 2011, 09:11:11 AM
Trinity and Redlands BOTH won their conferences. They are rewarded for that.
Your argument works against you there when CTX is ranked behind LaVerne.
None of this makes any sort of sense. We just have to wait and see who makes it where.
Team Region Record Overall Record Conf. Champ
CTX 28-13 30-15 Yes
La Verne 24-12 25-14 No
The logic of ranking La Verne has to be a perception of a very weak ASC. That would also make sense for ranking a 33-6 UTT 5th. Back in 2009 Millsaps lost the first two games of its confernce tournament. It received a Pool C invitation and received the #2 seed in regional - Central I beilieve. Millsaps had a record that was similar to UTT. Perception of the conference strength. Those early season losses by a few ASC teams have haunted the conference the entire year.
Texas BB
Quote from: TexasBB on May 13, 2011, 11:53:24 AM
Team Region Record Overall Record Conf. Champ
CTX 28-13 30-15 Yes
La Verne 24-12 25-14 No
The logic of ranking La Verne has to be a perception of a very weak ASC. That would also make sense for ranking a 33-6 UTT 5th. Back in 2009 Millsaps lost the first two games of its confernce tournament. It received a Pool C invitation and received the #2 seed in regional - Central I beilieve. Millsaps had a record that was similar to UTT. Perception of the conference strength. Those early season losses by a few ASC teams have haunted the conference the entire year.
Texas BB
Whether or not the conference is truly weak, right or wrong, the perception persists.
Quote from: TexasBB on May 13, 2011, 11:53:24 AM
Team Region Record Overall Record Conf. Champ
CTX 28-13 30-15 Yes
La Verne 24-12 25-14 No
The logic of ranking La Verne has to be a perception of a very weak ASC. That would also make sense for ranking a 33-6 UTT 5th. Back in 2009 Millsaps lost the first two games of its conference tournament. It received a Pool C invitation and received the #2 seed in regional - Central I believe. Millsaps had a record that was similar to UTT. Perception of the conference strength. Those early season losses by a few ASC teams have haunted the conference the entire year.
Texas BB
You have to look at the other primary criteria.
Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed
will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). CTX listed before LaVerne
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
28-13 vs 24-12 (Basically 1/2 game advantage CTX)
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
Team Reg. Reg. OWP (rank) OOWP NCAA
record win %
131 La Verne 24-12 .667 0.530 (130) 0.523 0.528 288 Concordia (Texas) 28-13 .683 0.463 (314) 0.531 0.486 • See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
No games. They did not play each other in Arizona in Feb.• In-region results versus common regional opponents. (ULV one more win)
ULV (3-2) PacLu 2-0; Linfield 0-1; Whitman 1-0; GFU 0-1.
CTX (2-2) PacLu 1-0; Linfield 0-1; Whitman 1-0; GFU 0-1.• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
ULV Linfield (0-1); Chapman (1-2); Redlands (1-3). LaVerne has "more results", but not necessarily better.
CTX Linfield (0-1); HSU (1-2). (CTX did not play a game against Trinity this year, which might have helped.)• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
CTX gets hurt by Southwestern (13-20 in-region) and ETBU (9-22 in-region) not being as strong. I believe UOzarks (7-23 in-region) was the mandated crossover game. LaVerne has a "non-in-region" win over Kean. SOS found here.
I have found every bit of these data on the d3baseball.com webpages!http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template
Thanks Ralph. Therefore after looking at all of this the fact that a team wins its conference tournament does not give it any "bonus" points as BigPoppa seemed to imply in his earlier post. The bonus if any, it would appear, comes from beating the teams in the tournament which likely includes a ranked team or two.
Texas BB
The NCAA and its members who create the complex rules try to create fairness with their SOS, OWP, OOWP, and in region % BUT to me it just brings confusion and does not really make it any better.
Simplicity is the best....
The easy ones are the Pool A's....The win it on the field. Either by winning their conference or conference tourney AQ
PoolB/PoolC should be just a at large field. 17 spots.. Throw out SOS, OWP, OOWP IMO....Best in region winning percentage followed by best over D3 winning percentage. This is winning on the field and not by committee. Many teams and conferences do not have much control on WHO they play and it screws up their SOS, OWP, OOWP IMO.
Choose teams by region !
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 15, 2011, 01:46:20 PM
The NCAA and its members who create the complex rules try to create fairness with their SOS, OWP, OOWP, and in region % BUT to me it just brings confusion and does not really make it any better.
Simplicity is the best....
The easy ones are the Pool A's....The win it on the field. Either by winning their conference or conference tourney AQ
PoolB/PoolC should be just a at large field. 17 spots.. Throw out SOS, OWP, OOWP IMO....Best in region winning percentage followed by best over D3 winning percentage. This is winning on the field and not by committee. Many teams and conferences do not have much control on WHO they play and it screws up their SOS, OWP, OOWP IMO.
Choose teams by region !
I keep reminding everyone that the only problem that we have is the "problem" is the luxury of all of the Pool C bids.
Before the previous March Madness Contract, we only had 3 Pool C bids for baseball. We would not be having most of these conversations, because losing the Conference tourney AQ would shut down the conversation. In the West Region, there is very little difference between the #1 and #6 seed in the bracket.
We have 2 problems in the West.
1) We don't have a bunch of nearby teams that we can play in other conferences, as we see in the New England and Mid-Atlantic Regions. The statistical models cannot be made to reflect our situation for a simple comparison with the more populous regions. All of our OWP's are around .520 or less.
2) We have too much parity in the region. Because we are not seeing schedules with 5-6 games in a week that develop deep bullpens, we see a lot of games in the season with #1 and #2 starters. In a 40-game season, several teams in the West Region will have 3 pitchers with double-digit starts in the season. The 2008 McMurry team was
West Region quad-champs. They won the ASC Pool A bid. As the #6 seed in the West, they took eventual West winner Chapman to 12 innings. Mississippi College was the Pool C bid from the ASC in 2010 and lost to Linfield in the Regional Finals.
Ralph as always you are correct on all your points. That is why OWP, OOWP, SOS makes no sense in the West. It has benefited Chapman as a Independent in IMO only. It works against all other Pool C teams in the West. NCAA does have the money....March Madness is one of the many revenue streams the NCAA has. NCAA sports is a BIG business and make no mistake about it.
The West Regional will again showcase great teams with only 1 moving onto Appleton.
I think the west is set.....can't wait for first pitch.
Is the west set? There have been some good arguements for Linfield or UTT going to a different regional. I would favor that so the west region conferences have more than one shot at Appleton.
On to another topic.
It has always befuddled me as to why the south and west dominates every phase of baseball except DIV III. That includes JUCO, DIV I and DIV II and NAIA. Rarely does a northern team win a national championship in those other divisions primarily due to the weather and the fact that baseball is played nearly year around in the south and west. The top baseball states have been California, Texas, Florida, Georgia and Arizona in so far as producing top level talent. Those states have traditionally dominated all the other classes of baseball. But not DIV III. If you look at the bids coming from the south vs. north in DIV I it is a polar opposite of what happens in DIV III. Even though there are more schools playing baseball in DIV III in the north, I can't believe that the talent level is better. The pool of talent to draw from in Texas, for example is much greater than it is in PA or Ohio or even those states combined. There is just more baseball playeres who are playing year around in Texas. The number of DIV I teams in Ohio and PA combined is just as great if not greater than in Texas and there are much more DIV II and III programs. Thus the talent level up north should be watered down in comparison.
That is why the West region needs to have more of its teams picked up by other regional post season tournaments so it has the opportunity to send more than one team to Appleton.
Don't see Linfield being set anywhere but the west regional because they are the #1 ranked team in the West. UTT also will probably stay in state for the lower cost of travel. Yes, they are 5 hours away by driving but that isn't out of the question.
When Linfield was sent to the Central regional in '08 it was because they barely squeaked in by winning their conference on the last day and there were many other teams ranked ahead of them in region.
I do agree that the west should have more opportunities to showcase their talent in the finals.
Quote from: TexasBB on May 15, 2011, 09:25:30 PM
The pool of talent to draw from in Texas, for example is much greater than it is in PA or Ohio or even those states combined. There is just more baseball playeres who are playing year around in Texas. The number of DIV I teams in Ohio and PA combined is just as great if not greater than in Texas and there are much more DIV II and III programs. Thus the talent level up north should be watered down in comparison.
That is why the West region needs to have more of its teams picked up by other regional post season tournaments so it has the opportunity to send more than one team to Appleton.
You're kidding, right? A Texas team has never won a game in Appleton.
What regional would you advocate taking a bid from?
Quote from: TexasBB on May 15, 2011, 09:25:30 PM
Is the west set? There have been some good arguements for Linfield or UTT going to a different regional. I would favor that so the west region conferences have more than one shot at Appleton.
On to another topic.
It has always befuddled me as to why the south and west dominates every phase of baseball except DIV III. That includes JUCO, DIV I and DIV II and NAIA. Rarely does a northern team win a national championship in those other divisions primarily due to the weather and the fact that baseball is played nearly year around in the south and west. The top baseball states have been California, Texas, Florida, Georgia and Arizona in so far as producing top level talent. Those states have traditionally dominated all the other classes of baseball. But not DIV III. If you look at the bids coming from the south vs. north in DIV I it is a polar opposite of what happens in DIV III. Even though there are more schools playing baseball in DIV III in the north, I can't believe that the talent level is better. The pool of talent to draw from in Texas, for example is much greater than it is in PA or Ohio or even those states combined. There is just more baseball playeres who are playing year around in Texas. The number of DIV I teams in Ohio and PA combined is just as great if not greater than in Texas and there are much more DIV II and III programs. Thus the talent level up north should be watered down in comparison.
That is why the West region needs to have more of its teams picked up by other regional post season tournaments so it has the opportunity to send more than one team to Appleton.
Bids are not handed out because of quality. The D-III tourney is about equity of access. You win your conference, you get the bid.
I think that the Top 25 recognizes the quality of the teams. The same argument about quality occurs on the Midwest Region Men's basketball message boards in the talent rich CCIW/WIAC and other Midwest Conferences.
I don't think that enough pitching falls to D-III in the state.
There are too many pitchers who are in the JUCO system in Texas playing 60 games a year that we aren't getting them in D-III. After 2 years, they are either washed up or going to some scholarship program. IMHO, there are no strong JUCO systems in the northern states, as we have down here.
Another thing is the hotbeds of public school conferences in the north where an inexpensive education can be obtained. Specifically, great (state school) baseball conferences in D-III include the WIAC, the NJAC, the Little East and the SUNYAC. Other strong state school programs are found at Salisbury MD and Christopher Newport VA.
heaven is right. Only one Texas team has won a regional to get to Wisconsin.
CTX went in 2002 and lost a 1-run game in the opener to the eventual champion, ECSU, and then went 2-and-BBQ.
Hot off the press:
1. Linfield 2.Chapman 3. Redlands 4. Trinity 5. UT Tyler 6. Concordia.
Quote from: ChapFan on May 16, 2011, 02:03:17 AM
Hot off the press:
1. Linfield 2.Chapman 3. Redlands 4. Trinity 5. UT Tyler 6. Concordia.
Is that official?
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 16, 2011, 02:08:21 AM
Quote from: ChapFan on May 16, 2011, 02:03:17 AM
Hot off the press:
1. Linfield 2.Chapman 3. Redlands 4. Trinity 5. UT Tyler 6. Concordia.
Is that official?
Well nothing is official till posted but that was a text from a coach to his players who have to fly out tomorrow.
Quote from: ChapFan on May 16, 2011, 02:13:34 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 16, 2011, 02:08:21 AM
Quote from: ChapFan on May 16, 2011, 02:03:17 AM
Hot off the press:
1. Linfield 2.Chapman 3. Redlands 4. Trinity 5. UT Tyler 6. Concordia.
Is that official?
Well nothing is official till posted but that was a text from a coach to his players who have to fly out tomorrow.
Hrm, I wonder what coach? :)
Hopefully this means news is forthcoming soon.
Thanks. No surprises there, really. Rauh v. Sherman in Game 1?
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 16, 2011, 02:18:19 AM
Quote from: ChapFan on May 16, 2011, 02:13:34 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 16, 2011, 02:08:21 AM
Quote from: ChapFan on May 16, 2011, 02:03:17 AM
Hot off the press:
1. Linfield 2.Chapman 3. Redlands 4. Trinity 5. UT Tyler 6. Concordia.
Is that official?
Well nothing is official till posted but that was a text from a coach to his players who have to fly out tomorrow.
Hrm, I wonder what coach? :)
Hopefully this means news is forthcoming soon.
Thanks. No surprises there, really. Rauh v. Sherman in Game 1?
that will be a good game
It looks like Chapman vs. UT-Tyler with a great potential pitching matchup in the first game Rauh vs. Sherman. Sherman was lights out the first 3/4 of the year but was not as effective later. I believe it was a tired arm this year as he was coming off surgery and had not pitched in nearly 2 years. He was a D-I pitcher in the Soutwest Conference that lives in east Texas and grew up not far from Tyler. He came back home to pitch for the Patriots his senior year after surgery. He was absolutely dominating early on. UTT has had a long layoff since they were eliminated in the opening round of the ASC tournament and that means Sherman got some needed rest. However, there is a question as to how effective he will be. Will it be the Sherman of the first part of the year that was nearly unhittable or the Sherman of the last few starts that lost to McMurry and was hit by Mississipi College? Should be interesting. It it is the Sherman of the the early season UTT could make some noise in this tournament as they have 3 stout starters. The queston mark for the Patriots has been their bullpen and their inconsistant offense.
Chapman http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/files/teamcume.htm
VS
UT-Tyler http://www.uttylerpatriots.com/baseball/stats/
2011 NCAA West Region
start times and dates subject to change:
Wednesday, May 18
Game One: #6 Concordia-Texas (30-15) vs. #1 Linfield (31-9), Noon
Game Two: #5 Texas-Tyler (33-6) vs. #2 Chapman (29-11), 3:30 p.m.
Game Three: #4 Trinity (33-11) vs. #3 Redlands (29-11), 7 p.m.
Thursday, May 19
Game Four: Loser of Game One vs. Loser of Game Two, Noon
Game Five: Winner of Game One vs. Loser of Game Three, 3:30 p.m.
Game Six: Winner of Game Two vs. Winner of Game Three, 7 p.m.
If Four Teams Remain After Game Six:
Friday, May 20
Game Seven: Winner of Game Five vs. Winner of Game Six, noon
Game Eight: Winner of Game Four vs. Loser of Game Six, 3:30 p.m.
Game Nine: Loser of Game Seven vs. Winner of Game Eight, 7 p.m.
Saturday, May 21
Game 10: Winner of Game Seven vs. Winner of Game Nine, Noon Game 11 if necessary, 4 p.m.
If five teams remain after Game Six:
Friday, May 20
Game Seven: Loser Game Five vs. Loser Game Six
Game Eight: Winner of Game Four vs. Winner of Game Five
Game Nine: Winner Game Six vs. Winner Game
If two teams after Game Nine:
Saturday, May 21
Game 10: Winner of Game Eight vs. Winner of Game Nine, Noon Game 11 if necessary
If three teams remain after Game Nine:
Saturday, May 21
Game 10: Winner of Game Eight vs. Loser of Game Nine, Noon
Game 11: Winner of Nine vs. Winner of Game 10, 4 p.m.
Six teams headed to Abilene for NCAA III West Region Baseball Championships
http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/5/16/BSB_0516111821.aspx
Led by Rauh, three of the four Chapman starters have an ERA under 3. Four relievers (35 APP, 53IP) have a combined ERA of 0.85. The #5 reliever has an ERA of 3.38 in 21 IP.
Whomever faces Chapman's #4 starter (5-3, 4.94) better take advantage of the rare opportunity to score some runs because they're going to be very, very hard to come by otherwise.
Linfield's no slouch, either; their top starters go 1.92, 0.82 (!), 1.42, 1.30, 1.49 (tho some of the latter primarily pitch in relief). Team BA of .316, too.
More fun with numbers:
Pitching:
ERA: Linfield (2.59), UTT (2.63), Chapman (2.72), Trinity (3.50), Redlands (3.80), Concordia (4.33)
Fewest K's: Redlands (265); most, Trinity (340)
Fewest BBs: UT-T (85); most, Trinity (191)
Fielding: Best, UT-T (.973, 39 errors); worst, Trinity (.956, 76 E)
Batting:
BA, best: high, Redlands (.346); low, Chapman (.292)
Slugging: high, Redlands (.493); low, Concordia (.392)
OBP, highest: UT-T (.412); lowest, Linfield (.384)
SB, most: Trinity (110); least, Chapman (38)
Runs/game, most: Trinity (8.93); least, Concordia (6.467)
5 of the 6 teams in the tournament are ranked in the top 25. I wonder how the other regionals compare?
Answered my own question: No other region had more than 3. The West was 5 out of 6 for 84% the next best was the midwest with 3 out of 6 - 50%.
New England - 3 out of 8
New York - 1 out of 8
Mid Atlantic - 3 out of 8
Mideast - 3 out of 7
Central - 1 out of 6
South - 2 out of 6
Midwest - 3 out of 6
West - 5 out of 6
Quote from: TexasBB on May 16, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Answered my own question: No other region had more than 3. The West was 5 out of 6 for 84% the next best was the midwest with 3 out of 6 - 50%.
New England - 3 out of 8
New York - 1 out of 8
Mid Atlantic - 3 out of 8
Mideast - 3 out of 7
Central - 1 out of 6
South - 2 out of 6
Midwest - 3 out of 6
West - 5 out of 6
And the 3 in the Midwest are all in the top 10.
Link to West Regional Information
http://www.mcmurrysports.com/sports/2011/5/16/BSB_0516110009.aspx?id=88
Quote from: TexasBB on May 16, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Answered my own question: No other region had more than 3. The West was 5 out of 6 for 84% the next best was the midwest with 3 out of 6 - 50%.
New England - 3 out of 8
New York - 1 out of 8
Mid Atlantic - 3 out of 8
Mideast - 3 out of 7
Central - 1 out of 6
South - 2 out of 6
Midwest - 3 out of 6
West - 5 out of 6
Means nothing. Pomona-Pitzer was ranked most of the year even though they were middling in their own league. George Fox was ranked way too long. UT-Tyler was in the poll and ended up barely making the field. All it means is some teams got a bunch of wins while snow was still on the ground up north. They get ranked high early and then some people obviously don't do a good enough job of making adjustments to the poll once there have been a few.
Until the first poll is delayed until late March, the d3baseball.com poll will be skewed toward the south and west. Fact.
Quote from: TexasBB on May 16, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Answered my own question: No other region had more than 3. The West was 5 out of 6 for 84% the next best was the midwest with 3 out of 6 - 50%.
New England - 3 out of 8
New York - 1 out of 8
Mid Atlantic - 3 out of 8
Mideast - 3 out of 7
Central - 1 out of 6
South - 2 out of 6
Midwest - 3 out of 6
West - 5 out of 6
Part of the "skew" on the poll is that we have no "weak" conferences, whose AQ gets a chance in the tourney, in our part of the country,.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 17, 2011, 02:47:22 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 16, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Answered my own question: No other region had more than 3. The West was 5 out of 6 for 84% the next best was the midwest with 3 out of 6 - 50%.
New England - 3 out of 8
New York - 1 out of 8
Mid Atlantic - 3 out of 8
Mideast - 3 out of 7
Central - 1 out of 6
South - 2 out of 6
Midwest - 3 out of 6
West - 5 out of 6
Means nothing. Pomona-Pitzer was ranked most of the year even though they were middling in their own league. George Fox was ranked way too long. UT-Tyler was in the poll and ended up barely making the field. All it means is some teams got a bunch of wins while snow was still on the ground up north. They get ranked high early and then some people obviously don't do a good enough job of making adjustments to the poll once there have been a few.
Until the first poll is delayed until late March, the d3baseball.com poll will be skewed toward the south and west. Fact.
Valid comments, and it is what each pollster needs to do with his/her ballot.
I believe that it takes 60% of the season, regardless of the sport, to begin to figure out where a team stands.
The staggered starts in baseball make it even harder.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 17, 2011, 02:47:22 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 16, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Answered my own question: No other region had more than 3. The West was 5 out of 6 for 84% the next best was the midwest with 3 out of 6 - 50%.
New England - 3 out of 8
New York - 1 out of 8
Mid Atlantic - 3 out of 8
Mideast - 3 out of 7
Central - 1 out of 6
South - 2 out of 6
Midwest - 3 out of 6
West - 5 out of 6
Means nothing. Pomona-Pitzer was ranked most of the year even though they were middling in their own league. George Fox was ranked way too long. UT-Tyler was in the poll and ended up barely making the field. All it means is some teams got a bunch of wins while snow was still on the ground up north. They get ranked high early and then some people obviously don't do a good enough job of making adjustments to the poll once there have been a few.
Until the first poll is delayed until late March, the d3baseball.com poll will be skewed toward the south and west. Fact.
Why are you so effing angry all the time?
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HA!! I was wondering the same thing. Good lord buddy, relax!
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 17, 2011, 08:26:03 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 17, 2011, 02:47:22 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 16, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Answered my own question: No other region had more than 3. The West was 5 out of 6 for 84% the next best was the midwest with 3 out of 6 - 50%.
New England - 3 out of 8
New York - 1 out of 8
Mid Atlantic - 3 out of 8
Mideast - 3 out of 7
Central - 1 out of 6
South - 2 out of 6
Midwest - 3 out of 6
West - 5 out of 6
Means nothing. Pomona-Pitzer was ranked most of the year even though they were middling in their own league. George Fox was ranked way too long. UT-Tyler was in the poll and ended up barely making the field. All it means is some teams got a bunch of wins while snow was still on the ground up north. They get ranked high early and then some people obviously don't do a good enough job of making adjustments to the poll once there have been a few.
Until the first poll is delayed until late March, the d3baseball.com poll will be skewed toward the south and west. Fact.
Why are you so effing angry all the time?
I believe it is because in the West Region we dont have snow in February and March and we can play baseball outside. I would be angry too...
;D
Here is my very uneducated guess on how the West Regional will play out.
Game 1- Linfield over CTX
Game 2- Chapman over Tyler
Game 3- Redlands over Trinity (very tough game to choose)
Game 4- Tyler over CTX
Game 5- Linfield over Trinity
Game 6- Chapman over Redlands
Game 7- Linfield over Chapman
Game 8- Tyler over Redlands
Game 9- Chapman over Tyler
Game 10- Chapman over Linfield
Game 11- Linfield over Chapman
Linfield is the champ.
I think Game 3 could go either way but I just think the time-off for Trinity will hurt them and Johnson for Redlands has been lights out this year. Who knows.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 17, 2011, 02:35:01 PM
Here is my very uneducated guess on how the West Regional will play out.
Game 1- Linfield over CTX
Game 2- Chapman over Tyler
Game 3- Redlands over Trinity (very tough game to choose)
Game 4- Tyler over CTX
Game 5- Linfield over Trinity
Game 6- Chapman over Redlands
Game 7- Linfield over Chapman
Game 8- Tyler over Redlands
Game 9- Chapman over Tyler
Game 10- Chapman over Linfield
Game 11- Linfield over Chapman
Linfield is the champ.
I think Game 3 could go either way but I just think the time-off for Trinity will hurt them and Johnson for Redlands has been lights out this year. Who knows.
Redlands Johnson's loss to Chapman he gave up ZERO earned runs. His defense had 3 errors that allowed 2 runs with Redlands losing 2-0. I see Chapman's Rauh and Redland's Johnson throwing 2 games and would not be suprised to see them in relief if needed also.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 17, 2011, 08:26:03 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 17, 2011, 02:47:22 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 16, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Answered my own question: No other region had more than 3. The West was 5 out of 6 for 84% the next best was the midwest with 3 out of 6 - 50%.
New England - 3 out of 8
New York - 1 out of 8
Mid Atlantic - 3 out of 8
Mideast - 3 out of 7
Central - 1 out of 6
South - 2 out of 6
Midwest - 3 out of 6
West - 5 out of 6
Means nothing. Pomona-Pitzer was ranked most of the year even though they were middling in their own league. George Fox was ranked way too long. UT-Tyler was in the poll and ended up barely making the field. All it means is some teams got a bunch of wins while snow was still on the ground up north. They get ranked high early and then some people obviously don't do a good enough job of making adjustments to the poll once there have been a few.
Until the first poll is delayed until late March, the d3baseball.com poll will be skewed toward the south and west. Fact.
Why are you so effing angry all the time?
Tired of all the "look at the polls, look at the regionals, we should have more bids" silliness from some of the Western contingent. TexasBB being chief among them. The polls are not anywhere near ground truth. Pomona-Pitzer is STILL like 30th in votes received.
Nice summary of the six teams playing tomorrow courtesy of Linfield sports information:
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/release.php?id=4031
Here is a link to a PDF that has a great break down of each team,stats and nationally ranked stats.
http://chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/releases/BSB.Regional.Notes_2011.pdf
Todays Games West Regional
http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2011/west-schedule ;D
Concordia Texas vs Linfield
Texas-Tyler vs Chapman
Trinity-Texas vs Redlands
Times are listed in Eastern Timezone. 4 of the 6 teams played in the 2010 regional.
Hard to believe in these days of technology that all games do not have video feeds. ???
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 18, 2011, 08:50:52 AM
Todays Games West Regional
http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2011/west-schedule ;D
Concordia Texas vs Linfield
Texas-Tyler vs Chapman
Trinity-Texas vs Redlands
Times are listed in Eastern Timezone. 4 of the 6 teams played in the 2010 regional.
Hard to believe in these days of technology that all games do not have video feeds. ???
PREDICTIONS TODAY
Linfield over CTX
Chapman over UTT
Redlands over TT
I'll bit; I am a contrarian:
Linfield over Concordia
UTT over Chapman (Raugh can't win them all)
Trinity over Redlands
Quote from: ILVBB on May 18, 2011, 11:35:05 AM
I'll bit; I am a contrarian:
Linfield over Concordia
UTT over Chapman (Raugh can't win them all)
Trinity over Redlands
Looks like your see Chapmans Rauh(10-0 1.88 124K) and Redlands Johnson(12-2 2.48 98K) both getting beat on same day..... :o ::) ???
I pick Trinity today too.
Crash:
I like the 4-1 odds! ;D
Quote from: OshDude on May 18, 2011, 11:50:08 AM
I pick Trinity today too.
That was a coin-flip but I went with Redlands. I would not be surprised one bit if Trinity did the job today.
Well, we know Concordia can turn a double play.
1st LINFIELD hit in the 3rd inning.
Playoffs=pitching
LINFIELD= 5 errors
Good game Concordia.
Much thanks to (sorry) the Hardin Simmons announcer who handled the game on the I net radio.
Great game, Tornados!
I guess that despite the 20% chance of rain there was a 100% chance of Tornados. Congrats to young men from Concordia ... I hope the young men from just down the I-35 can play equally inspired ball today.
I'm pulling for an 'all-Texas' winners bracket! Thanks to CTX for setting this up!!
Check out the webcast from Harwich, MA.... www.d3cast.com That Tufts-ex really knows how to put on a professional first-class presentation... wow!
At least I mentioned it was my very uneducated guess.
Great game by Concordia, not so much by Linfield.
Concordia got 13 hits and 4 of the 5 runs were earned. I'd say they also earned their W today. :)
Rauh doing what Rahu does, allowing one hit in two innings. Chapman up 2-0 after two. Sherman pitching for Tyler.
If Rauh is his normal self those 2 runs may be all he needs today.
Quote from: ChapFan on May 18, 2011, 05:13:03 PM
If Rauh is his normal self those 2 runs may be all he needs today.
End of 5 Chapman 4 UTT 0
Top of 7
Chapman 6 UTT 0
Sherman's day is over...after 6+ innings in the 7th he gave up a homer and 2 singles before being replaced......11H 7R 5ER 3BB 6SO
Game over Chapman 7 UTT 0
UTT ran into a pitching buzz saw today
Rauh line:
IP 9 H 2 R 0 ER 0 SO 6 BB 0 BF 31 AB 29
Pretty sure this was Rauh best performance of the season
Quote from: ILVBB on May 18, 2011, 11:35:05 AM
I'll bit; I am a contrarian:
Linfield over Concordia
UTT over Chapman (Raugh can't win them all)
Trinity over Redlands
ILVBB is 0-2 on predictions so far....I was shocked by 5 Linfield Errors today.
So far Rauh is now 22-0 over 2 seasons as Chapman 7 UTT 0...Rauh gave up only 2 hits 6K's no WALKS. He just gets better as he goes like aged wine. Chapman had outstanding defense and timely hitting to go along with Rauh's performance. Chapman likes playing in Texas. They are 13-1 in Abilene over the past 14 games.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 18, 2011, 06:43:31 PM
Quote from: ILVBB on May 18, 2011, 11:35:05 AM
I'll bit; I am a contrarian:
Linfield over Concordia
UTT over Chapman (Raugh can't win them all)
Trinity over Redlands
ILVBB is 0-2 on predictions so far....
Third time is the charm?????? ;D
I've always been a proponent of live-and-die with your horse. Thoughts on Scannell going with Panozzo over Klimesh? Case of horse #2 being fairly comparable or case of knowing Johnson's tough and Klimesh gives you a good shot to get back on track if you lose the first one?
It's not so much the strategy behind the decision, but the fact that I think often times coaches make the wrong impression on some impressionable young guys. "I'm not convinced we can beat them with X so we're going to go with Y, and try to claw our way back."
JSG
UTT now has to tackle Linfield. One of them is going home after tomorrow.
Both teams will pull out all of the stops so it should be good game. I expect it to be close.
Well, I went 0-3 today. I will be back with my kiss of death tommorrow. >:(
Quote from: ILVBB on May 18, 2011, 10:09:34 PM
Well, I went 0-3 today. I will be back with my kiss of death tomorrow. >:(
Redlands 3-2 over Trinity.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2011, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: ILVBB on May 18, 2011, 10:09:34 PM
Well, I went 0-3 today. I will be back with my kiss of death tomorrow. >:(
Redlands 3-2 over Trinity.
Sounds like a great job by Redlands to get out of a couple of late jams.
Trinity did not throw Klimesh, correct?
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 18, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2011, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: ILVBB on May 18, 2011, 10:09:34 PM
Well, I went 0-3 today. I will be back with my kiss of death tomorrow. >:(
Redlands 3-2 over Trinity.
Sounds like a great job by Redlands to get out of a couple of late jams.
Trinity did not throw Klimesh, correct?
SoCal goes 2-0 today against Texas TODAY
BUT
TOMMOROW is a new day and things can change very fast
Rematch of Chapman vs Redlands...A replay of 3 game series a few weeks ago.
Thursday, May 19 PredictionsGame Four: Linfield over UT-Tyler
Game Five: Trinity over Concordia-Texas
Game Six: Chapman . Redlands, Too close to choose
Prior games Chapman/Redlands this year
Chapman won 2-0(2 unearned runs), 6-5(10 innings) Lost 9-8(Redlands came from behind in the 9th)
My predictions
UTT over Linfield - (from my heart but I believe they bounce back on offense and get good pitching plus Linfield still has the yips)
Concordia over Trinity (proves that first game was not a fluke)
Chapman over Redlands (still has their number)
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 18, 2011, 09:29:18 PM
I've always been a proponent of live-and-die with your horse. Thoughts on Scannell going with Panozzo over Klimesh? Case of horse #2 being fairly comparable or case of knowing Johnson's tough and Klimesh gives you a good shot to get back on track if you lose the first one?
It's not so much the strategy behind the decision, but the fact that I think often times coaches make the wrong impression on some impressionable young guys. "I'm not convinced we can beat them with X so we're going to go with Y, and try to claw our way back."
JSG
Panozzo had the best ERA of all TU starters (by nearly half a run) and was arguably a bit sharper late in the season. This is also exactly how Scannell started the SCAC tournament.
With the loss tonight, unfortunately, Trinity will have to start Klimesh tomorrow and hope for the run support Panozzo didn't get tonight.
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Brian Rauh(11-0) throws 2 hitter vs Texas-Tyler
ABILENE, Texas – Brian Rauh pitched No. 2 seeded Chapman University past No. 5 seed UT-Tyler with a two-hit shutout Wednesday at Walt Driggers Field as the Panthers took a 7-0 win in the opening day of the NCAA Division III West Region Baseball Championship Tournament.
Rauh moved to 11-0 on the year in a gem where he didn't walk a batter and struck out six to help the Panthers claim the victory. Adam Kordich homered and drove in three runs to help aide the win and Chapman (30-11) moves on to face the winner of Trinity and the University of Redlands Thursday at 7 p.m.
UT-Tyler (33-7) now faces elimination and will face Linfield College at Noon Thursday to stay alive. Chad Sherman gave up seven runs (five earned) in just his second loss of the season to fall to 8-2 on the year.
Nick Clifton and Jake Ashley were the only two Patriots to manage hits off Rauh in the second and third inning respectively. Rauh needed just 94 pitches, and Chapman is on track in Abilene once again to advance to the NCAA Division III World Series. The Panthers last played at Driggers Field for the regional championship in 2008 and defeated Trinity to advance.
http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/5/18/BSB_0518110906.aspx
Jeff Green
Buddy Klovstad
Scott Akamine
Jairo Ochoa
Devin Drag
Kurt Yacko
Wayde Kitchens
... and now Rauh.
I can't speak for other regions of the country. But I suspect in Texas, you'd lose at least 6 of these 8 to a Junior College/Smaller Div 1 School. Kudos to Chapman for being able to go out and get these arms year in and year out.
JSG
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 19, 2011, 08:58:04 AM
Jeff Green
Buddy Klovstad
Scott Akamine
Jairo Ochoa
Devin Drag
Kurt Yacko
Wayde Kitchens
... and now Rauh.
I can't speak for other regions of the country. But I suspect in Texas, you'd lose at least 6 of these 8 to a Junior College/Smaller Div 1 School. Kudos to Chapman for being able to go out and get these arms year in and year out.
JSG
Rauh this year broke the single season Chapmans strikeout record held by Wayde Kitchens. Rauh is 22-0 in 2 seasons.
In SoCal you have so many JC, D1, D2, NAIA and other D3 programs that Chapman competes against to get their players.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 19, 2011, 09:01:09 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 19, 2011, 08:58:04 AM
Jeff Green
Buddy Klovstad
Scott Akamine
Jairo Ochoa
Devin Drag
Kurt Yacko
Wayde Kitchens
... and now Rauh.
I can't speak for other regions of the country. But I suspect in Texas, you'd lose at least 6 of these 8 to a Junior College/Smaller Div 1 School. Kudos to Chapman for being able to go out and get these arms year in and year out.
JSG
Rauh this year broke the single season Chapmans strikeout record held by Wayde Kitchens. Rauh is 22-0 in 2 seasons.
In SoCal you have so many JC, D1, D2, NAIA and other D3 programs that Chapman competes against to get their players.
California has about 1/3 larger population than Texas.
I would like to see the real numbers of those baseball programs at those levels. Texas has at least 40 baseball- playing JUCO programs.
SoCal has just over 100 junior colleges with the majority of them having baseball programs. If you want a great day of talenmted baseball, attend the Junior College showcase at Loyola Marymount every fall in which most JCs send 1-2 unsigned players to workout for college coaches. (I always went looking for players and would bounce ideas off Big-time coaches in attendance (Fullerton, UCLA, Miami, UNC, Notre Dame, etc...) a great two days of baseball and an even better place to find top-notch arms.
Now, Chapman generally gets their arms right out of high school and that is partly because Coach Tereschuk was one of the regions most successful high school coaches and has a wide network of high school coaches helping him and guiding their players to Chapman.
Thanks, Big Poppa. I have not found the governing organization for the California JUCO's. They are not members of NJCAA, as the Texas Schools are. Region 1 in the NJCAA is Arizona and California, but all of the schools listed (14) look like they are in Arizona.
http://www.njcaa.org/colleges.cfm
There are 36 baseball-playing JUCO's, about 30 are scholarship*, in Texas this year, plus:
Non-scholarship
D-III -- 16 in Texas. 9 in CA.
Scholarship
NAIA -- 10 in Texas. 18 in CA. **
D-II -- 10 in Texas. 12 in CA. **
D-1 -- 17 in Texas. 22 in CA
It looks like the numbers are comparable.
*I don't think that NJCAA Division III offers scholarships. (Corrections appreciated)]
** I have not determined whether those scholarships have been fully funded to the limits of NAIA or D-II.
See later discussions including ILVBB's comments.
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 19, 2011, 08:58:04 AM
Jeff Green
Buddy Klovstad
Scott Akamine
Jairo Ochoa
Devin Drag
Kurt Yacko
Wayde Kitchens
... and now Rauh.
I can't speak for other regions of the country. But I suspect in Texas, you'd lose at least 6 of these 8 to a Junior College/Smaller Div 1 School. Kudos to Chapman for being able to go out and get these arms year in and year out.
JSG
I think JSG is exactly right about Rauh and what would happen in Texas.
It is pretty well known that California has far more talent than there are college slots available, far more. When Evan Longoria burst onto the scene, there were many articles about how he and many players get lost in the numbers and level of talent.
When you build in that JC's in Texas also offer scholarships and the quantity of DII programs, it is tough for a talent of the type of Rauh to fall through the cracks.
Coach Scannell at Trinity has a very similar feeling on his ability to attract quality players who can qualify academically from Texas, in light of the number of DI, DII and JC's with scholarship money. The fact that Trinity's roster since 2000, perhaps beginning with Mike Frost and some others, is filled with talented California players who also do well in the classroom, isn't an accident.
The Coaches know they can come to California and find talent that just falls through the cracks because of the sheer number and quality of players and more limited options which exist in California at the next level.
It's not like Longoria came out of nowhere. He was the starting shortstop at Long Beach State, aka... "Shortstop U." He came out of St. John Bosco High School, a true powerhoue program and landed at Rio Hondo JC, whic is a great SoCal Juco... in fact, they were so good that I often recruited their backups as the starters landed at D1 programs.
Big Poppa,
I was referring to Longoria out of HS. He didn't have any college interest and ended up at a JC, where the coaching staff at LBSU found him.
I forget which HS but it was one of those with ton's of talent.
Many scouts in the SoCal area were interviewed at that time and said Longoria was just a kid who got lost in the sheer volume and numbers of players they see.
Quote from: infielddad on May 19, 2011, 09:42:02 AM
Big Poppa,
I was referring to Longoria out of HS. He didn't have any college interest and ended up at a JC, where the coaching staff at LBSU found him.
I forget which HS but it was one of those with ton's of talent.
Many scouts in the SoCal area were interviewed at that time and said Longoria was just a kid who got lost in the sheer volume and numbers of players they see.
Completely agree... I was often overwhelmed recruiting that area. Plus, Long Beach already had a stud SS in Bobby Crosby and Longoria is the guy that replaced him after graduation. If a D3 coach is diligent enough and patient, there are D1 caliber guys that go unnoticed just looking for a place to play. If D3s were smart, they'd all contact the SoCal JCs right about this time and ask what they have left for unsigned players. Most of the coaches are happy to help you find players and many of these kids will travel across the country for the chance to continue theri playing careers.
If you are interested, message me and I can give you a list of JC coaches that I found to be the most helpful over the years.
In SoCal Coach Pickler at Cypress JC does a outstanding job finding 4 year schools for his players to transfer too. Every year it seems like all his starters and many backup players end up at 4 year schools. The numbers that transfer from Cypress JC is always in the double digits
Crash,
I have nothing but compliments for many JC coaches in CA. who place very good players.
The point JSG made, and I support, is someone like Rauh would not be at a DIII, if he played HS ball in Texas. With the number of DI's, DII's, and JC scholarship programs in Texas, contrasted with the amount of available talent in Texas, it is unlikely someone like Rauh falls to a DIII, unless he does it by choice.
By contrast, this happens all too frequently in California and good DIII coaches like those at Chapman and Trinity, and now Hendrix, Millsaps and a few others, are doing everything they can do to find the ones in CA. who fall through cracks, have very good academics and are looking for great baseball in a 4 year setting.
Chuck Huggins, from our area in Northern CA might be a good example as a pitcher. In HS, Chuck was the #2 guy on his HS team behind a 90mph lefty who committed to UCLA.
Chuck was an 85 to 87mph lefty with a lot of upside. He could not get a solid look from DI's in CA. Nothing. Followed our son's path and experience and Chuck went to Trinity. He progressed well as I expected he would, transferred(unfortunately a girlfriend) to UCSB, became the Friday night guy in the Big West and would have been picked in the 1st 10 rounds as a junior, except he would not sign.
Players like Rauh and Chuck would not fall through the cracks in Texas because there are more choices and less players.
California is a gold mine for talented players if a DIII coach works hard and uses his resources.
I agree completely with you and Big Poppa on that discussion!!!!
Rauh is just another example...but boy is he a good example.
The basic premise that Ralph pointed out was that the relationship between scholarship programs in Texas and California are comparable given the realative populations. The reality is that a good portion of the D2 programs and NAIA programs are less than fully funded. A number of the D2 programs only went D2 so that they could have other teams to play given the lack of D3 programs in California. It will be interesting in the next few years given the ongoing budget problems in California to see if the state will mandate athletics be non-scholorship.
Chapman has done a great job of recruiting in its back yard. It will be interesting to see how their membership in the SCIAC will impact their ability to maintain a strong SOS while playing a full SCIAC schedule.
Chapman entry into the SCIAC will cause their SOS to nose dive and could impact the ability to obtain a Pool B bid in transition and a Pool C bid once they are fully integrated into the SCIAC. Only winning the SCIAC will insure you get to go to the dance. Chapman has had a tough time with some SCIAC Teams(Whittier and Pomona comes to mind past few years).
Games with Cal Lu and Redlands are also been very tough for Chapman.
Lets see if Chapman can win today against SCIAC Champion Redlands. The past three game this year have been very close with errors playing a major part on who won those games
Linfield all over UTT, 5-0 after one complete inning. UT-T loaded the bases with one out in the bottom half of the inning but Linfield P Manley got two K's to preserve the early lead.
Tyler started Matt Schimpf (6-1, 2.47, 73.0 IP in 11 starts) Linfield's Manley is 5-0, 1.49 ERA, 36IP in 4 starts (11 total appearances).
Linfield had five singles and a double in the first inning. Looks like Schimpf is settling down in the second but that's a lot of runs to spot Linfield.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 19, 2011, 01:30:25 PM
Linfield all over UTT, 5-0 after one complete inning. UT-T loaded the bases with one out in the bottom half of the inning but Linfield P Manley got two K's to preserve the early lead.
Tyler started Matt Schimpf (6-1, 2.47, 73.0 IP in 11 starts) Linfield's Manley is 5-0, 1.49 ERA, 36IP in 4 starts (11 total appearances).
Linfield had five singles and a double in the first inning. Looks like Schimpf is settling down in the second but that's a lot of runs to spot Linfield.
Any visual on this game? UTT down 3 just had #2-hole single and the lead off guy got thrown out at the plate with 0 outs. 1st & 3rd with 3,4,5 coming up down 3 seems like a pretty decent scenario. Do you risk that down 3 runs?
*Edit
Shared this with a coach that knows the game that I respect and this was his response, "I dont care if it was 3 pitchers coming to the plate. Down 3, with no outs you play station to station unless the ball goes to the wall."
[Again. Couldn't see the play and everyone will have different opinions, but found his response humorous.]
JSG
No video :( Not sure I would have done that, either ...
Schimpf got the job done after the first ... Cleveland (7-1, 2.57, 11 app/7 starts) now in for UT-Tyler in top of seventh. Linfield has a runner at third w/two out. edit: who scored on a single. 6-2 with UTT to bat in the bottom of the eighth after two three-up, three downs.
Final -- Linfield 6, UTT 3. UT-Tyler is eliminated.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2011, 03:40:10 PM
Final -- Linfield 6, UTT 3. UT-Tyler is eliminated.
UTT gets 2 and BBQ. Must hurt to lose fast in ASC and West Regionals.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 19, 2011, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2011, 03:40:10 PM
Final -- Linfield 6, UTT 3. UT-Tyler is eliminated.
UTT gets 2 and BBQ. Must hurt to lose fast in ASC and West Regionals.
They haven't had much luck in the regionals going 2-6 in the last 3 years.
Even in '08 with the Campbell, Booher, Holland trio they lost 2 games to an okay Concordia squad to get beat out of the ASC tournament before getting to the regional.
Maybe there's something to the chatter re: playing a tougher schedule and more away games?
JSG
TU's Klimesh walks a guy on 4 pitches, hits a guy, walks the next guy on 4 pitches. Relieved for Solomon.
JSG
Ugh! I mean ugly...maybe both!
Trinity down 2-1 and Solomon trying to salvage the inning.
Now 4-1 Concordia after 2.5 with the Tornados coming to bat.
That's two of Klimesh's last three starts with major problems. Before this, he had a 9-1 CG victory in the SCAC championships; prior to that, he had to be pulled early against UDallas trailing 3-0 and after walking the first batter he faced in the second.
He can make another start if need be and if the pitching staff can figure out WTF is going wrong, but first they have to figure a way around the surging Concordia bunch. Pedro Maldonado (4.32, 4-2) is on the mound for CTX.
5-2 midway through the fifth.
Trinity loaded the bases with two out in the top of the third but had a baserunner caught attempting to steal home. CTX scratched out a run with a single, sac, and scored from second on a single with one out.
Trinity got that one back in the top of the fifth with a single, balk, and two sacs. They then got runners at first and second with two outs but couldn't get the key hit to bring one of them in.
Lucero (3.31, 5-1, 10 app/9 starts) now in at P for Trinity.
5-3 midway through sixth.
Concordia got a walk and a single in the bottom of the fifth, but had a baserunner try to advance on a (caught) fly ball and was thrown out at third for a double play.
Trinity started the inning with two singles, scored on a error by SS after a fly ball; the result was a runner at third with one out but who was left stranded.
Top of the ninth, still 5-3, Trinity's last chance. Maldonado still on at P for CTX. Trinity gets a leadoff single from the 9 hole and a HBP to start the inning.
Morrison (3.20, 3-0, 13 app, all in relief) in to pitch for CTX.
Morrison gets Hall to ground out, runners advance. Intentionally walks Felix to get to Pappas.
Pappas: GRAND SLAM HR! Trinity leads 7-5. CTX coming up in the bottom of the ninth.
Kyle Bieschke draws a walk to lead off the Tornado ninth. Bottom of the order up for Concordia.
Colton Gommert, down 0-2 in the count, draws another walk. Runners at first and second for Concordia
Kozole pinch hits for Riojas, lines into a double play. Runner at first, two out.
Spelbring pinch hits for Maldonado (who had moved to RF), strikes out swinging. Trinity survives for another day and knocks Concordia into the losers' bracket with a come-from-behind 7-5 win.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 19, 2011, 07:01:36 PM
Morrison gets Hall to ground out, runners advance. Intentionally walks Felix to get to Pappas.
Pappas: GRAND SLAM HR! Trinity leads 7-5. CTX coming up in the bottom of the ninth.
Aw c'mon! You didn't have to yell! The use of all caps is frowned upon on these boards. Look at the terms of service!
;)
THIS IS YELLING ;D
I'm just glad the guys figured out a way to win a game in the post-season. All these one-run losses get depressing after a while.
Winner of Redlands/Chapman is in the driver's seat as a result of this well...result.
You guys are a riot!!
With that said, what a day for Nick Pappas and Ryan Lucero.
Maybe today was just a bullpen for Klimesh and tomorrow is the real start??
They still need Felix and Jackson to get started with the bats. From this point, offense will be a priority.
Quote from: infielddad on May 19, 2011, 07:22:48 PM
You guys are a riot!!
With that said, what a day for Nick Pappas and Ryan Lucero.
Maybe today was just a bullpen for Klimesh and tomorrow is the real start??
They still need Felix and Jackson to get started with the bats. From this point, offense will be a priority.
I dunno if they will try to bring Ben back tomorrow or not, but they're going to need everything they can get against Linfield. Would be nice to see more hitting from the top third of the order without a doubt. A .206 BA (yes, that's the TU tourney average so far) ain't gonna win too many ball games.
Ron,
If Klimesh is healthy, it would surprise me if he does not start.
As long as I have known Coach Scannell and as many games as I have seen, my view is Coach is a huge believer in challenging his players and putting them in challenging situations so they get right back and prove something.
Unless a player quits in some way, Coach just doesn't quit on his players and he lets them know that in clear and direct language, as you probably know.
I think we see Klimesh tomorrow against Linfield unless today reflected an injury situation.
If history is a good educator about Coach Scannell and the way does things post-season, there could be be some line up surprise, though.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 19, 2011, 07:07:16 PM
Kozole pinch hits for Riojas, lines into a double play. Runner at first, two out.
Please, for the love of god tell me that they tried to bunt the runners over!!?? On the live-stats it says he lined out on an 0-1 count. I just do not see one bit of logic if they didn't try and bunt him over.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 19, 2011, 07:45:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 19, 2011, 07:07:16 PM
Kozole pinch hits for Riojas, lines into a double play. Runner at first, two out.
Please, for the love of god tell me that they tried to bunt the runners over!!?? On the live-stats it says he lined out on an 0-1 count. I just do not see one bit of logic if they didn't try and bunt him over.
Funny, I don't see a single thing wrong with this. :o
Listening to the video; they said that he pop/lined a bunt to the 3rd baseman who made the throw to double up the runner.
Quote from: ILVBB on May 19, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
Listening to the video; they said that he pop/lined a bunt to the 3rd baseman who made the throw to double up the runner.
Thank goodness, i will come off the ledge now.
Final
Chapman 8
Redlands 4
Chapman gave Sigmon the run support that he needed to have a good game!
Quote from: ChapFan on May 19, 2011, 10:50:54 PM
Final
Chapman 8
Redlands 4
Back-to-back CG's....Chapman is looking darn good right now!
I wonder if Klimesh starts tomorrow and how long his leash is going to be
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 19, 2011, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: ChapFan on May 19, 2011, 10:50:54 PM
Final
Chapman 8
Redlands 4
Back-to-back CG's....Chapman is looking darn good right now!
Chapman just
LOVES Abilene. Good thing McM is going D2, the rest of us won't have to worry about regionals there much longer.
Quote from: ILVBB on May 19, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
Listening to the video; they said that he pop/lined a bunt to the 3rd baseman who made the throw to double up the runner.
That had to be one terrible sequence of baseball. Don't get the bunt down, and get the runner doubled off? Jeez...don't deserve to win.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 19, 2011, 11:19:00 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 19, 2011, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: ChapFan on May 19, 2011, 10:50:54 PM
Final
Chapman 8
Redlands 4
Back-to-back CG's....Chapman is looking darn good right now!
Chapman just LOVES Abilene. Good thing McM is going D2, the rest of us won't have to worry about regionals there much longer.
Chapman has incredible record at Abilene. Chapman has played so many games there over the past few seasons it is really like a second home for them.
Great Pitching, good defense and also getting 8 runs a games gets them one step closer to returning to Abilene. Different players every day are stepping up to get the big hits. Career Win Leader Sigman adds another one to his win record BUT still a long way to go.
They need a win on Friday and one more on Saturday...Very good teams still around will making extremely difficult. Will the get to play Linfield or Redlands for a 5th time. Will Trinity get to revenge their losses in prior years to Chapman...Will CTX be the suprise team in the West. Lots of great baseball left. I miss being there.
May 19, 2011
Piro and Sigman lead Chapman to 8-4 win over RedlandsABILENE, Texas. – A three-run first inning triple by junior OF Charlie Piro and a complete game from P Jordan Sigman powered the Chapman University baseball team to an 8-4 come-from-behind win over the University of Redlands on Saturday evening at the NCAA Division III West Region Championships at Walt Driggers Field. With the win, Chapman (31-11) is the lone team left in the six-team West Region field without a loss. The Panthers face Redlands again or Concordia-Texas at 7 p.m. CST on Friday depending on who wins their game, which is at noon.
Sigman (8-2) got off to a rough start as Redlands (30-12) put a pair of runs on the board in the first inning. After allowing the first two batters of the inning to reach on a walk and a hit batter, Sigman gave up a sacrifice fly to junior IF Jon Cavender. Junior IF Ben Saunders then followed with an RBI single to give the Bulldogs a 2-0 lead.
The lead didn't last long as Redlands' starting pitcher Kyle Hart labored in the bottom of the first inning, giving up three walks, which set the stage for Piro, who came up with a three-run triple to right field to give Chapman a 3-2 lead. Piro finished 2-for-4.
The Panthers then added a run in the second on an RBI single by senior IF Tyler Hadzinsky and another in the third on a run-scoring double by sophomore IF Tyler Surnbrock to take a 5-2 lead.
In the top of the fourth inning, Redlands narrowed the lead to 5-4 after an RBI double from sophomore IF Jason Henning and a groundout by junior C Landon McMath that scored Henning. Sigman struggled at times giving up 11 hits, but Redlands left 13 runners on base, which proved to be costly. Sigman threw 133 pitches and is the second Chapman pitcher in as many games to pitch a complete game as sophomore P Brian Rauh went nine innings on Wednesday. Of the six West Region teams, Chapman has the lowest team ERA at 2.00.
Freshman IF Mark Saatzer gave Chapman some insurance in the sixth inning with a two-out, two-run double to right field, which pushed the lead to 7-4. Saatzer and Surnbrock each had two hits while Hadzinsky was 3-for-4.
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/releases/0519
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Charlie Piro
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Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 19, 2011, 11:33:19 PM
Quote from: ILVBB on May 19, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
Listening to the video; they said that he pop/lined a bunt to the 3rd baseman who made the throw to double up the runner.
That had to be one terrible sequence of baseball. Don't get the bunt down, and get the runner doubled off? Jeez...don't deserve to win.
It was actually a really nice play by the third baseman. It was a bunt that was a low liner, just too hard and the third baseman made a dive and catch right before it hits the ground. Tough situation for the runner he gets a good secondary and takes a step or two toward third. Kind of in no-man's land and then the 3B bounces throws a strike to second. It was a tough decision for the runner to try to go to third. Kid just made a great play on it.
Quote from: hsusid on May 20, 2011, 01:22:33 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 19, 2011, 11:33:19 PM
Quote from: ILVBB on May 19, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
Listening to the video; they said that he pop/lined a bunt to the 3rd baseman who made the throw to double up the runner.
That had to be one terrible sequence of baseball. Don't get the bunt down, and get the runner doubled off? Jeez...don't deserve to win.
It was actually a really nice play by the third baseman. It was a bunt that was a low liner, just too hard and the third baseman made a dive and catch right before it hits the ground. Tough situation for the runner he gets a good secondary and takes a step or two toward third. Kind of in no-man's land and then the 3B bounces throws a strike to second. It was a tough decision for the runner to try to go to third. Kid just made a great play on it.
Still a bad bunt. Little things mean so much this time of year.
Friday Predictions
CTX over Redlands
Linfield over Trinity
Chapman vs CTX ???
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 19, 2011, 09:01:09 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 19, 2011, 08:58:04 AM
Jeff Green
Buddy Klovstad
Scott Akamine
Jairo Ochoa
Devin Drag
Kurt Yacko
Wayde Kitchens
... and now Rauh.
I can't speak for other regions of the country. But I suspect in Texas, you'd lose at least 6 of these 8 to a Junior College/Smaller Div 1 School. Kudos to Chapman for being able to go out and get these arms year in and year out.
JSG
Rauh this year broke the single season Chapmans strikeout record held by Wayde Kitchens. Rauh is 22-0 in 2 seasons.
In SoCal you have so many JC, D1, D2, NAIA and other D3 programs that Chapman competes against to get their players.
Reviving an old discussion...
I think that we must give credit to Coach T for his success in recruiting high quality pitching. He has a track record of developing the pitching over the last decade.
(I have seen Klovstad, Drag, Yacko and Kitchens.)
Quote from: ILVBB on May 19, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
Listening to the video; they said that he pop/lined a bunt to the 3rd baseman who made the throw to double up the runner.
ILVBB -
Where can I find the link to the video and/or audio you reference above?
Thanks!
Try this; they have had some difficulty the past 2-days. The feed has not started on time.
http://trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/bball_live
If Redlands beats Concordia will this be the 1st time the SCIAC wasn't the first conference eliminated from the West Regional in quite some time? Or did the SCAC (Hendrix) duck out first one year recently?
JSG
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
If Redlands beats Concordia will this be the 1st time the SCIAC wasn't the first conference eliminated from the West Regional in quite some time? Or did the SCAC (Hendrix) duck out first one year recently?
JSG
I am not sure where you get that idea?
2010- Pomona 2-2
2009 Pomona 2-2
Cal Lutheran 1-2
2008 La Verne 1-2
2007 Redlands went 0-2 which would be the 1st team eliminated.
CTX is leading 12-6 and batting in the top of the 9th.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 20, 2011, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
If Redlands beats Concordia will this be the 1st time the SCIAC wasn't the first conference eliminated from the West Regional in quite some time? Or did the SCAC (Hendrix) duck out first one year recently?
JSG
I am not sure where you get that idea?
2010- Pomona 2-2
2009 Pomona 2-2
Cal Lutheran 1-2
2008 La Verne 1-2
2007 Redlands went 0-2 which would be the 1st team eliminated.
I didn't say the first team eliminated, I said the first conference eliminated. I'm piecing together from multiple schedules so if there's a good archive, please point me to it.
I *THINK* that the SCIAC has been eliminated first in 6 of the last 7 years ('04-'10).
In '08 George Fox went home first in the west regional (I think), but Linfield won their regional; therefore, the NWC outlasted the SCIAC. (Albeit, I don't know if that's a fair comparison since they weren't in the West. Presumable they would've performed relatively well).
In '09 I believe Hendrix went home first followed by Cal Lutheran, and then Pomona.
In '04 through '07 unless East Bay was the first team sent home one year, I think the SCIAC was first all 3 of those years as well.
JSG
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 20, 2011, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
If Redlands beats Concordia will this be the 1st time the SCIAC wasn't the first conference eliminated from the West Regional in quite some time? Or did the SCAC (Hendrix) duck out first one year recently?
JSG
I am not sure where you get that idea?
2010- Pomona 2-2
2009 Pomona 2-2
Cal Lutheran 1-2
2008 La Verne 1-2
2007 Redlands went 0-2 which would be the 1st team eliminated.
I didn't say the first team eliminated, I said the first conference eliminated. I'm piecing together from multiple schedules so if there's a good archive, please point me to it.
I *THINK* that the SCIAC has been eliminated first in 6 of the last 7 years ('04-'10).
In '08 George Fox went home first in the west regional (I think), but Linfield won their regional; therefore, the NWC outlasted the SCIAC. (Albeit, I don't know if that's a fair comparison since they weren't in the West. Presumable they would've performed relatively well).
In '09 I believe Hendrix went home first followed by Cal Lutheran, and then Pomona.
In '04 through '07 unless East Bay was the first team sent home one year, I think the SCIAC was first all 3 of those years as well.
JSG
I get what you are saying now, although I don't really think it is a valid argument since the SCIAC has only has 2 teams in a regional twice. Either way, I get what you are saying.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 20, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 20, 2011, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
If Redlands beats Concordia will this be the 1st time the SCIAC wasn't the first conference eliminated from the West Regional in quite some time? Or did the SCAC (Hendrix) duck out first one year recently?
JSG
I am not sure where you get that idea?
2010- Pomona 2-2
2009 Pomona 2-2
Cal Lutheran 1-2
2008 La Verne 1-2
2007 Redlands went 0-2 which would be the 1st team eliminated.
I didn't say the first team eliminated, I said the first conference eliminated. I'm piecing together from multiple schedules so if there's a good archive, please point me to it.
I *THINK* that the SCIAC has been eliminated first in 6 of the last 7 years ('04-'10).
In '08 George Fox went home first in the west regional (I think), but Linfield won their regional; therefore, the NWC outlasted the SCIAC. (Albeit, I don't know if that's a fair comparison since they weren't in the West. Presumable they would've performed relatively well).
In '09 I believe Hendrix went home first followed by Cal Lutheran, and then Pomona.
In '04 through '07 unless East Bay was the first team sent home one year, I think the SCIAC was first all 3 of those years as well.
JSG
I get what you are saying now, although I don't really think it is a valid argument since the SCIAC has only has 2 teams in a regional twice. Either way, I get what you are saying.
It wasn't intended as an attack on the conference, merely fuel for a conversation. Provided that the SCIAC representatives performed better in the regionals would the committee be more inclined to give them two teams? TLU made a couple of deep runs in '05 & '06, and I believe both Tyler and Mississippi (though in a different region) have also made solid runs for the ASC. George Fox, Linfield and even Pac Lu have performed pretty well in the past for the NWC.
JSG
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If Redlands beats Concordia will this be the 1st time the SCIAC wasn't the first conference eliminated from the West Regional in quite some time? Or did the SCAC (Hendrix) duck out first one year recently?
JSG
I am not sure where you get that idea?
2010- Pomona 2-2
2009 Pomona 2-2
Cal Lutheran 1-2
2008 La Verne 1-2
2007 Redlands went 0-2 which would be the 1st team eliminated.
I didn't say the first team eliminated, I said the first conference eliminated. I'm piecing together from multiple schedules so if there's a good archive, please point me to it.
I *THINK* that the SCIAC has been eliminated first in 6 of the last 7 years ('04-'10).
In '08 George Fox went home first in the west regional (I think), but Linfield won their regional; therefore, the NWC outlasted the SCIAC. (Albeit, I don't know if that's a fair comparison since they weren't in the West. Presumable they would've performed relatively well).
In '09 I believe Hendrix went home first followed by Cal Lutheran, and then Pomona.
In '04 through '07 unless East Bay was the first team sent home one year, I think the SCIAC was first all 3 of those years as well.
JSG
I get what you are saying now, although I don't really think it is a valid argument since the SCIAC has only has 2 teams in a regional twice. Either way, I get what you are saying.
It wasn't intended as an attack on the conference, merely fuel for a conversation. Provided that the SCIAC representatives performed better in the regionals would the committee be more inclined to give them two teams? TLU made a couple of deep runs in '05 & '06, and I believe both Tyler and Mississippi (though in a different region) have also made solid runs for the ASC. George Fox, Linfield and even Pac Lu have performed pretty well in the past for the NWC.
JSG
Don't mind me, I am just ready for the weekend!
CTX sends Redlands packing, 12-6. Linfield and Trinity pair off in a half hour to see who will be next.
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 03:52:28 PM
It wasn't intended as an attack on the conference, merely fuel for a conversation. Provided that the SCIAC representatives performed better in the regionals would the committee be more inclined to give them two teams? TLU made a couple of deep runs in '05 & '06, and I believe both Tyler and Mississippi (though in a different region) have also made solid runs for the ASC. George Fox, Linfield and even Pac Lu have performed pretty well in the past for the NWC.
JSG
That's okay. For the rest of the West Region, Chapman will be in the SCIAC in 2014!
Trinity going with Bentz (3.89, 4-2, 4 starts in 10 app, 34.2 IP) as today's starter. Gave up 2 runs in the first, 2-0 Linfield after one. An error and a balk resulted in the second run.
Zach Brandon (1.42, 5-0, 5 starts in 9 app, 38.0 IP) on the mound for Linfield and in control early, but back-to-back two-out doubles by Francke and Iacovella make a 2-1 game in the bottom of the second.
Turning into a pitchers duel ... 2nd 1-2-3 for Linfield in top of 3rd, Trinity gets another two-out double, this time by Felix (yay!). Pappas tried to repeat yesterday's heroics but his fly to deep left-center was caught on the warning track. Still 2-1 after three, as I'm typing this Linfield goes down 1-2-3 again in the top of the fourth.
Zach Brandon possibly running into a little trouble in the fourth ... after 8 straight balls (10 of 11 in the inning), Trinity has runners on 1st and 2nd with Iacovella and Early, the bottom of the order, coming to the plate. Crepeaux (2.59, 1-2, 14 app, 31.1 IP) in for Linfield. Iacovellia gets his second hit to tie the game at 2-all. Still runners at 1st/2nd with one out for Early, who takes an 0-2 pitch to center to give the Tigers their first lead. 3-2, runners at 1st/2nd, one out for Kevin Jackson. Jackson strikes out, Jonathan Hall strikes out as the top of the TU order continues to struggle. Top five batters today: 1-10 (.100). Bottom five: 4-6 (.667).
Clayton Truex strokes it out of the park to tie the game back up, 3-3.
Allen and Coleman get consecutive singles for Linfield, runners at the corner and nobody out.
Cederberg gets a triple after the fielder slips and just like that Linfield's back up by two. Clayton Freimuth (3.71, 1-1, 12 app, 17.0 IP) in for the Tigers. Things getting out of hand as Eric Evenson drives in the fourth run of the inning. 6-3 and still nobody out.
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Clayton Truex strokes it out of the park to tie the game back up, 3-3.
Allen and Coleman get consecutive singles for Linfield, runners at the corner and nobody out.
Cederberg gets a triple after the fielder slips and just like that Linfield's back up by two. Clayton Freimuth (3.71, 1-1, 12 app, 17.0 IP) in for the Tigers. Things getting out of hand as Eric Evenson drives in the fourth run of the inning. 6-3 and still nobody out.
Indeed. TU is a high powered offense so it's certainly not over, but Linfield has a lot of depth on the mound and if they can't get a DP ball or some consecutive outs, it's going to be a tough hole to dig out of.
JSG
Dustin Smith gets another hit. Franklin Bay (2.00, 0-0, 9.0 IP) takes the mound for Trinity.
After it's all said and done Bay limits the damage to another run. Going to be very difficult to come back from a four run deficit against the pitching-rich 'Cats. Kyle Felix does his part with a leadoff HR.
I'll let Ron tell about those 5 runs LINFIELD just scored.
Chapman's Maietta (4-2, 2.88 ERA, 56.1 IP) vs. Concordia's Janssen (2-1, 4.88 ERA, 31.1 IP) in the nightcap?
That's my best guess anyway.
JSG
Trinity gets another one back when Robusto drives in Muscarello, who had Trinity's fourth double. Now, can they find any pitching? 7-5 Linfield after five.
Is it my computer or is the live video not working very well?
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 06:05:41 PM
Chapman's Maietta (4-2, 2.88 ERA, 56.1 IP) vs. Concordia's Janssen (2-1, 4.88 ERA, 31.1 IP) in the nightcap?
That's my best guess anyway.
JSG
I definitely see Janssen getting the rock, but he hasnt gone deep in too many games. I think they will be very happy to get 5 innings out of him. Ullmann is going to have to throw a ton the rest of the way.
Quote from: dp643 on May 20, 2011, 06:11:21 PM
Is it my computer or is the live video not working very well?
Not just you. :(
Linfield gets Truex to second with one out after a walk and a WP. Advanced to third with a sac. Coleman strikes out to end the threat.
Truex was the first baserunner Linfield has stranded today. Six for Trinity.
Trinity goes down 1-2-3. 1, 2, and 4 spots in the order a combined 0-9 today.
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Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 06:05:41 PM
Chapman's Maietta (4-2, 2.88 ERA, 56.1 IP) vs. Concordia's Janssen (2-1, 4.88 ERA, 31.1 IP) in the nightcap?
That's my best guess anyway.
JSG
I definitely see Janssen getting the rock, but he hasnt gone deep in too many games. I think they will be very happy to get 5 innings out of him. Ullmann is going to have to throw a ton the rest of the way.
Ullmann should have another 4-5 innings in him. I have to think that Morrison should have 4-5 innings in his tank (at the very least), and that you could also go back to Hays for 1 or 2 IP if you had to close a game as well.
I think CTX would have a decent chance against McGee, but Maietta is going to be tough. He's better than most team's #3's.
In reality, everything they do from here on out is gravy. They've over-achieved and had a great season.
JSG
Chapman's Maietta has been very tough lately and if he gets in trouble Chapman's bullpen is outstanding. McGee has not been as effectively lately but I have seen guys like him have big games when it counts. So you never know.
As long as Chapman plays error free baseball and hits enough to support their pitching they will be hard to beat. Many games they lost this year were related to errors. Chapman has recently had great hitting, outstanding pitching and solid defense. If they continue to play this way they could go a long way.
Today is another day and the remaining teams are very very tought to beat.
Remember this Chapman team is very young. They will only lose the #2 pitcher, 2b and catcher from the starting lineup and they return the rest of their position players, pitching staff, bench and bullpen,
Linfield gets Evenson on with one out but Felix throws him out attempting to steal second. Still 7-5, Trinity at bat in the bottom of the seventh.
CTX was darn close to being 2-0 without throwing Colin Butschek last night. Now they must scramble, but the good news is after the Linfield Trinity game each team left only needs two wins to win it all.
Felix singles, Pappas HBP to start the Tiger half of the inning. Muscarello sacrifices them over, runners at 2nd/3rd with one out. Pitching change for the 'cats: Ryan Larson (2.15, his first appearance in relief after 14 starts [7-3]).
The pitching rich cats are bringing in Ryan Larson? Is that right?
Apparently so ...
Robusto grounds out but drives in one run. Larson gets Francke to fly out. Linfield leads, 7-6.
'cats start the eighth with a Tim Wilson single. Sac and FC picks him off at third, runner at first with two outs. Trinity gets out of the inning unscathed.
Can someone refresh me on what pitcher for Linfield is injured?
"ball hit to left in the gap, that one is gonna get down for a base hit .... NO, I"m sorry, that ball is outta here" ;D
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Can someone refresh me on what pitcher for Linfield is injured?
Not 100% sure but I haven't seen Robert Vaughn's name in the box in a long time and he was the 'Cats #2 during a good portion of the season.
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Can someone refresh me on what pitcher for Linfield is injured?
Not 100% sure but I haven't seen Robert Vaughn's name in the box in a long time and he was the 'Cats #2 during a good portion of the season.
Thats who it is. Im surprised to see Larson back, but I guess at this point theres no tomorrow
TU leadoff hitter Kevin Jackson breaks an 0-18 slump with a two-out single. Jonathan Hall gets his first hit of the day, and the runners advance to 2nd and 3rd on an error. Two out, Felix up and intentionally walked.
6 th E behind Larson in 7 IP
Felix intentionally walked for Pappas!
Pappas flied out. To the ninth.
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Felix intentionally walked for Pappas!
Holy cow...'Cats are just hanging onto this one...
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Pappas flied out. To the ninth.
Trinity always seems to come this close, and this could be another one of them.
Ouch. Cederberg hits a two-run shot from the nine hole (really!??) to make it 9-6 'cats. one out.
Great time to get your first round-tripper of the season ...
...and THAT'S why you want a Linfield football player on your team! GUNS with the huge bomb!
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Ouch. Cederberg hits a two-run shot from the nine hole (really!??) to make it 9-6 'cats. one out.
You are gonna need another grand slam!
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Holy cow...'Cats are just hanging onto this one...
The nine hole is where we prefer to play our football stars.
Klimesh in, gives up a single to Evenson. Strikes out Smith. Walks Wilson on four pitches. Hits Bixenman.
Lordy the wheels have come off for Ben. Walden to the mound. Gets the final out.
Two outs on three pitches to start the inning. Francke HBP, Iacovella singles.
Great job 'Cats! No idea if we have any arms left but damn proud of them battling after dropping the 1st game of the regional.
Larson comes up huge... after throwing 120+ pitches just two days ago comes in to shut down Trinity in the final 3IP today. Very hard to do ... great win. Wonder who will start tomorrow?
Losers bracket is too nerve wracking to be enjoyable.
congrats, 'cats .... 12 baserunners stranded, mumble mumble mumble
On 2 errors and stealing home, Chapman takes a 1-0 lead in the first.
Scott Weinschenk is starting for Concordia with a 6.61 ERA with opponents hitting .338 against him in 16 1/3 IP on the year. Id definitely say Chapman has an advantage in this one.
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Larson comes up huge... after throwing 120+ pitches just two days ago comes in to shut down Trinity in the final 3IP today. Very hard to do ... great win. Wonder who will start tomorrow?
They've shown they'll bring guys back so I wouldn't be surprised to see Manley or Hilberg out of the bullpen, but I think they might start Mueller (if he's healthy - looks like he hasn't thrown in awhile). From the looks of things he struggles a bit with command and has been prone to give up the big inning, but opponents are only hitting .218 against him.
Not having Vaughn really hurts in this tournament format.
JSG
If you're Tereschuk it's probably tempting to tell Maietta to go sit down and wait for Linfield tomorrow, but you have to presume he'd bring Rauh back if they lost the first game anyway. They've never been shy about running their #1 back out there on short rest or throwing Yacko til he borderline refuses to take the mound (Trinity '08).
JSG
Wow...CTX is just killing themselves on the basepaths.
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 08:56:26 PM
If you're Tereschuk it's probably tempting to tell Maietta to go sit down and wait for Linfield tomorrow, but you have to presume he'd bring Rauh back if they lost the first game anyway. They've never been shy about running their #1 back out there on short rest or throwing Yacko til he borderline refuses to take the mound (Trinity '08).
JSG
In 2008 Yacko had 25 appearances on the mound for Chapman. In 2007 Yacko had 24 appearances and Drag had 22 appearances 14 as a starter and 8 in relief 119 IP
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Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2011, 08:56:26 PM
If you're Tereschuk it's probably tempting to tell Maietta to go sit down and wait for Linfield tomorrow, but you have to presume he'd bring Rauh back if they lost the first game anyway. They've never been shy about running their #1 back out there on short rest or throwing Yacko til he borderline refuses to take the mound (Trinity '08).
JSG
In 2008 Yacko had 25 appearances on the mound for Chapman. In 2007 Yacko had 24 appearances and Drag had 22 appearances 14 as a starter and 8 in relief 119 IP
You can do that in as long a season as they play. Not really as crazy as it looks.
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Wow...CTX is just killing themselves on the basepaths.
There's 5 hits in the entire game. Also 5 errors.
Chapman 9 CTX 3...
Rematch for Chapman vs Linfield 5th time this year....Linfield 3-1 this year over Chapman
I would expect to see Rauh in one of the games on Saturday.
I guarantee that you will see Rauh tomorrow!
Oh look, all the Texas schools are out again. We need more bids for them to not win the regional with.
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Oh look, all the Texas schools are out again. We need more bids for them to not win the regional with.
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Why are you so effing angry all the time?
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I guarantee that you will see Rauh tomorrow!
Rauh should throw strikes, and let Chapman bats hit Linfield.
Maietta get +1 for that beard :D
Larson may pitch tomorrow too! Guessing they'll keep a short leash on him... no more than 240 pitches or 18 IP.. whichever comes first. ;)
What happened to Vaughn ?
What happened to Boskovich?
I know they're both hurt... curious what their injuries were.
Why did Chapman have to play Concordia? Shouldn't have Linfield of played them?
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Oh look, all the Texas schools are out again. We need more bids for them to not win the regional with.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 17, 2011, 08:26:03 AM
Why are you so effing angry all the time?
You've never mentioned something to prove a point?
I would expect nothing less in return if the shoe was on the other foot, as it might be soon enough.
Championship Saturday
Audio for Linfield/Chapman game 10 AM PT
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Quote from: wildthngvaughn on May 21, 2011, 12:43:47 AM
Why did Chapman have to play Concordia? Shouldn't have Linfield of played them?
I think this gets asked every year for the 6-team regionals.
I think the rationale is just that you don't want to have a team only having to win 3 games to win it all vs. someone coming out of the loser bracket having to win 5.
Ralph or Big Poppa might be able to shed more light on it as they're more "in the know" with respect to the hand book, and those types of parameters.
JSG
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Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 20, 2011, 11:11:51 PM
Oh look, all the Texas schools are out again. We need more bids for them to not win the regional with.
Not sure this comment is very warranted. The argument has always been that the asc probably deserves two teams based upon the number of teams in the conference. This year was likely the exception since everyone following the asc knows it wasn't as strong as years past. Concordia had a good showing and to put it into perspective, was not even the number one seed out of their division.
All Texas teams deserved to be there !
WOW...Travis Mcgee is getting the start for Chapman. I fully expected Coach T to go for the jugular and use Rauh.
Linfield is going with Zach Manley.
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 21, 2011, 11:39:59 AM
Quote from: wildthngvaughn on May 21, 2011, 12:43:47 AM
Why did Chapman have to play Concordia? Shouldn't have Linfield of played them?
I think this gets asked every year for the 6-team regionals.
I think the rationale is just that you don't want to have a team only having to win 3 games to win it all vs. someone coming out of the loser bracket having to win 5.
Ralph or Big Poppa might be able to shed more light on it as they're more "in the know" with respect to the hand book, and those types of parameters.
JSG
JSG, I believe that was the thinking in the Championship committee to balance the "elimination workload" among the best teams in a 6-team region. By now, you have "culled" the three weaker teams. Let the 3 stronger teams settle it aomngst themselves and not just in the consolation bracket.
The last 3 teams need to face one another one more time to win the bracket, to inflict the final loss to a team.
I also believe that Chapman is fortunate to be in 6-team bracket. They can get plenty of innings out of Rauh coming back on 2 days rest.
I wonder if Chapman has enough pitching to win an 8-team bracket. IMHO, Jordan Sigmon is not a great pitcher as Rauh seems to be, but you can get plenty of innings out of him. Sigmon can keep you in games as let your offense get to the weakness of the other pitching staff. That is what we saw in Game #2 for Chapman.
Quote from: ChapFan on May 21, 2011, 12:55:34 PM
WOW...Travis Mcgee is getting the start for Chapman. I fully expected Coach T to go for the jugular and use Rauh. Linfield is going with Zach Manley.
???
But unexpected starters have come up big in the past for Chapman in the Regionals.
Well lets hope that holds true.
It's not that Mcgee was unexpected....I just assumed he was slated for Game 2 if it was required.
Quote from: ChapFan on May 21, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Well lets hope that holds true.
It's not that Mcgee was unexpected....I just assumed he was slated for Game 2 if it was required.
Actually, Coach T usually saves the ace for the win-or-go-home game. See below:
If memory serves me right Chapman was so deep on the mound in '05 it didn't matter. I also think it was a 4-team regional.
In '06 TLU had to beat them twice on the last day and they started their #4 Kitchens (wow, a #4 - talk about a staff). After he lost, they brought back #1 Klovstad and #2 Drag to win the final game.
'07 is irrelevant because they had to beat Pac Lu twice. Both Drag & Kitchens came back on short rest.
'08 was just the Yacko show.
In '09 they had to beat GFU twice and threw Luzar first, lost, and then brought back their #1 that year (after Kitchens went down), Sigman to win the final game.
In '10 they weren't ever in the drivers seat.
So if '06 and '09 are any indication of Coach T's strategy. He usually doesn't go for the jugular in Game #1 and only brings back the #1 in a must win scenario.Hope this helps.
JSG
Poor execution for the 'Cats so far.... that will come back to bite us against a good team like Chapman.
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Quote from: ChapFan on May 21, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Well lets hope that holds true.
It's not that Mcgee was unexpected....I just assumed he was slated for Game 2 if it was required.
Actually, Coach T usually saves the ace for the win-or-go-home game. See below:
If memory serves me right Chapman was so deep on the mound in '05 it didn't matter. I also think it was a 4-team regional.
In '06 TLU had to beat them twice on the last day and they started their #4 Kitchens (wow, a #4 - talk about a staff). After he lost, they brought back #1 Klovstad and #2 Drag to win the final game.
'07 is irrelevant because they had to beat Pac Lu twice. Both Drag & Kitchens came back on short rest.
'08 was just the Yacko show.
In '09 they had to beat GFU twice and threw Luzar first, lost, and then brought back their #1 that year (after Kitchens went down), Sigman to win the final game.
In '10 they weren't ever in the drivers seat.
So if '06 and '09 are any indication of Coach T's strategy. He usually doesn't go for the jugular in Game #1 and only brings back the #1 in a must win scenario.
Hope this helps.
JSG
Kitchens was a freshman! That is why he was the #4!
McMurry saw him as a
reliever (http://www.mcmurrysports.com/custompages/baseball/2006/mcm-cu2.htm) early in the season. :)
Quote from: CAT BAT 22 on May 21, 2011, 01:40:56 PM
Poor execution for the 'Cats so far.... that will come back to bite us against a good team like Chapman.
2 double plays, getting picked off at 2nd, failure to get the bunt, wild pitch to allow a run. This is hurting Wildcats big time
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 21, 2011, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: ChapFan on May 21, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Well lets hope that holds true.
It's not that Mcgee was unexpected....I just assumed he was slated for Game 2 if it was required.
Actually, Coach T usually saves the ace for the win-or-go-home game. See below:
If memory serves me right Chapman was so deep on the mound in '05 it didn't matter. I also think it was a 4-team regional.
In '06 TLU had to beat them twice on the last day and they started their #4 Kitchens (wow, a #4 - talk about a staff). After he lost, they brought back #1 Klovstad and #2 Drag to win the final game.
'07 is irrelevant because they had to beat Pac Lu twice. Both Drag & Kitchens came back on short rest.
'08 was just the Yacko show.
In '09 they had to beat GFU twice and threw Luzar first, lost, and then brought back their #1 that year (after Kitchens went down), Sigman to win the final game.
In '10 they weren't ever in the drivers seat.
So if '06 and '09 are any indication of Coach T's strategy. He usually doesn't go for the jugular in Game #1 and only brings back the #1 in a must win scenario.
Hope this helps.
JSG
Thanks for the history lesson....as a freshman dad myself your knowledge is appreciated. My guess was based off of what my son had told me but now that I think of what he told me he didn't really specify what game Rauh would throw....my assupmtion was wrong obviously.
Welcome to the boards, ChapFan!
Add a 2nd failed bunt to the laundry list and the "double steal" that got thrown out at home. Frustrating to not be able to see it.... no video feed for Championship Saturday?
Quote from: CAT BAT 22 on May 21, 2011, 02:35:11 PM
Add a 2nd failed bunt to the laundry list and the "double steal" that got thrown out at home. Frustrating to not be able to see it.... no video feed for Championship Saturday?
I guess a Webcam and PC and High Speed Internet connection costs too much !
NOT
Linfield goes ahead 5 to 4 but had chances to blow this game open but mistakes have killed them.
Quote from: Panther Nation on May 21, 2011, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: CAT BAT 22 on May 21, 2011, 02:35:11 PM
Add a 2nd failed bunt to the laundry list and the "double steal" that got thrown out at home. Frustrating to not be able to see it.... no video feed for Championship Saturday?
I guess a Webcam and PC and High Speed Internet connection costs too much !
NOT
What is sad is that McMurry is set up for it. I watched all 3 Chapman/McMurry games earlier this season on video.
I watched Linfield vs. Trinity yesterday... but it was brutal... kept freezing. They probably just bagged it after that.
Manley pitched 4.1 on Thursday... wonder how much longer he can go today. Ah heck, he's young... going 9 today is probably no big deal to him. 8-)
Quote from: CAT BAT 22 on May 21, 2011, 02:51:51 PM
Manley pitched 4.1 on Thursday... wonder how much longer he can go today. Ah heck, he's young... going 9 today is probably no big deal to him. 8-)
LOL....they pulled him just after your post
Quote from: Panther Nation on May 21, 2011, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: CAT BAT 22 on May 21, 2011, 02:35:11 PM
Add a 2nd failed bunt to the laundry list and the "double steal" that got thrown out at home. Frustrating to not be able to see it.... no video feed for Championship Saturday?
I guess a Webcam and PC and High Speed Internet connection costs too much !
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No, but the NCAA licensing costs and the personnel do!The facilities were there. (McMurry ran a pay-per-view package again this season. For $70, we got 10 football games, 20+ men's and 20+ women's basketball games, 20+ baseball games and an assortment of about 20 more men's and women's soccer and women's volleyball games.)
Why did not Chapman buy the licenses to broadcast the Chapman games? I believe that PAWS, the parents and alumni crew from Trinity, paid the licenses.
One team is not better than the other, so Chapman has to be feeling pretty good.
Good question.
Enough with the small ball... we're ofer the tournament executing the friggin bunt. Just swing the sticks!
Great outing by McGee for Chapman!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2011, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 21, 2011, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: ChapFan on May 21, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Well lets hope that holds true.
It's not that Mcgee was unexpected....I just assumed he was slated for Game 2 if it was required.
Actually, Coach T usually saves the ace for the win-or-go-home game. See below:
If memory serves me right Chapman was so deep on the mound in '05 it didn't matter. I also think it was a 4-team regional.
In '06 TLU had to beat them twice on the last day and they started their #4 Kitchens (wow, a #4 - talk about a staff). After he lost, they brought back #1 Klovstad and #2 Drag to win the final game.
'07 is irrelevant because they had to beat Pac Lu twice. Both Drag & Kitchens came back on short rest.
'08 was just the Yacko show.
In '09 they had to beat GFU twice and threw Luzar first, lost, and then brought back their #1 that year (after Kitchens went down), Sigman to win the final game.
In '10 they weren't ever in the drivers seat.
So if '06 and '09 are any indication of Coach T's strategy. He usually doesn't go for the jugular in Game #1 and only brings back the #1 in a must win scenario.
Hope this helps.
JSG
Kitchens was a freshman! That is why he was the #4!
McMurry saw him as a reliever (http://www.mcmurrysports.com/custompages/baseball/2006/mcm-cu2.htm) early in the season. :)
I think it had less to do with classification and more to do with personnel.
He was a freshman, but Drag and Klovstad were still better pitchers as well.
Ruah was a freshman last year, but he still emerged as the #1 for them last year. He didn't give way to Sigman just because he was the upperclassmen.
JSG
Loser bracket=nervewracking :P
7 to 6 Linfield going into top of 9th ???
http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/linfield.portal#
announcer has no idea what is going on
Chapman ties it up at 7 in top of 9th ;D
http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/linfield.portal#
Chapman goes up 8 to 7 in the 9th
http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/linfield.portal#
Yup the annoucer thinks Velez plays for Linfield now.......SURNBROCK CLUTCH SINGLE!!!!
8-7 Chapman after 8 1/2
Brian Rauh coming in to close
Rauh goes in the 9th to try close it out
Rauh is in... g'night y'all!
Chapman is going back to Appleton
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Chapman comes from behind in 9th. Rauh strikes out 2 and gets the SAVE
Congrats Panthers... win it all in Wisconsin.
Good year 'Cats
Good goin' Chapman. Win 'em when they count.
At least we didn't lose to a SCIAC school. :-*
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 21, 2011, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2011, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 21, 2011, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: ChapFan on May 21, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Well lets hope that holds true.
It's not that Mcgee was unexpected....I just assumed he was slated for Game 2 if it was required.
Actually, Coach T usually saves the ace for the win-or-go-home game. See below:
If memory serves me right Chapman was so deep on the mound in '05 it didn't matter. I also think it was a 4-team regional.
In '06 TLU had to beat them twice on the last day and they started their #4 Kitchens (wow, a #4 - talk about a staff). After he lost, they brought back #1 Klovstad and #2 Drag to win the final game.
'07 is irrelevant because they had to beat Pac Lu twice. Both Drag & Kitchens came back on short rest.
'08 was just the Yacko show.
In '09 they had to beat GFU twice and threw Luzar first, lost, and then brought back their #1 that year (after Kitchens went down), Sigman to win the final game.
In '10 they weren't ever in the drivers seat.
So if '06 and '09 are any indication of Coach T's strategy. He usually doesn't go for the jugular in Game #1 and only brings back the #1 in a must win scenario.
Hope this helps.
JSG
Kitchens was a freshman! That is why he was the #4!
McMurry saw him as a reliever (http://www.mcmurrysports.com/custompages/baseball/2006/mcm-cu2.htm) early in the season. :)
I think it had less to do with classification and more to do with personnel.
He was a freshman, but Drag and Klovstad were still better pitchers as well.
Ruah was a freshman last year, but he still emerged as the #1 for them last year. He didn't give way to Sigman just because he was the upperclassmen.
JSG
True, but Kitchens did improve remarkably every year he was at Chapman!
WOW...CONGRATS to my Panthers.
What a game by Linfield and Chapman trading runs almost every inning.
Quote from: Panther Nation on May 21, 2011, 04:01:00 PM
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Chapman comes from behind in 9th. Rauh strikes out 2 and gets the SAVE
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Congratulations, Chapman!
No surprise here. They're always a worthy representative, and if you're the team facing Rauh in Game #1 in Appleton, have fun.
It was unfortunate for Linfield that they had some injuries to some key arms, but that's baseball. I'm not sure Chapman has enough depth on the mound to get through an 8 team tournament, but I'm looking forward to watching them try.
JSG
Congrats Chapman and to Linfield on a great season again.
Best of luck at the World Series!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2011, 04:03:38 PM
Congratulations, Chapman!
Ralph how's things going, it never ceases to amaze me on how Chpaman can find the way to win the big one. Wayde starts today with Evansville Otters. Still in the Frontier league but I feel this is his year.
Are you going to Wisconsin this year?
Quote from: chakote on May 21, 2011, 04:11:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2011, 04:03:38 PM
Congratulations, Chapman!
Ralph how's things going, it never ceases to amaze me on how Chpaman can find the way to win the big one. Wayde starts today with Evansville Otters. Still in the Frontier league but I feel this is his year.
Are you going to Wisconsin this year?
Hey chakote! How are things going? Glad to hear about your son.
No, I am working next weekend. Have a very busy week for work obligations that will require Memorial Day weekend to clean up.
It is clear that each of the conference champs deserved to be here. The West is so balanced!
May. 18 Concordia (Texas) 5 Linfield 2 Final (#6 seed beats #1 seed)
Division III West Regional @ Abilene, Texas
Texas-Tyler 0 Chapman 7 Final (Rauh throws a 2-hitter.)
Division III West Regional @ Abilene, Texas
Trinity (Texas) 2 Redlands 3 Final (Another TU 1-run loss)
NCAA Division III West Regional @ Abilene, Texas
May. 19 Linfield 6 Texas-Tyler 3 Final (Linfield scored 5 in the 1st.)
Division III West Regional @ Abilene, Texas
Trinity (Texas) 7 Concordia (Texas) 5 Final (TU grand slam in top of the 9th)
NCAA Division III West Regional @ Abilene, Texas
Redlands 4 Chapman 8 Final BX BX BX (Complete game by Sigmon)
NCAA Division III West Regional @ Abilene, Texas
May. 20 Concordia (Texas) 12 Redlands 6 Final CTX a 6-run 6th)
NCAA Division III West Regional @ Abilene, TX
Linfield 9 Trinity (Texas) 6 Final (Linfield up 7-6 going to the 9th)
NCAA Division III West Regional @ Abilene, Texas
Chapman 9 Concordia (Texas) 3 Final (Chapman in control)
Division III West Regional @ Abilene, Texas
May. 21 Chapman 8 Linfield 7 Final (Chapman scores 2 in top of the 9th then Rauh for the save.)
D-III Baseball West Regional @ Abilene, Texas
My MVPitcher -- Rauh!
10 innings, 34 batters, no runs, 2 hits, 2 HBP.
I can't say that I am totally shocked that Chapman won I guess I just lost a little faith which when it comes to the big games I should know better by now ;) I watched them play once this year against Cal State San Marcos and wasn't really that sure they would make it to the regionals but here they are again and guess what "GOING TO WISCONSIN" Ralph what are there chances in Appleton this year against the rest of the league you always seem to have the pulse on the teams that are in D3? I haven't followed this year and now it's May and I have May fever again. Go Panthers
WAY TO GO CHAPMAN!!!!!!!
Hello wooden nickel :D
Is it posted anywhere who made the Tournament Team? I can't locate it anywhere
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All Tournament
http://www.mcmurrysports.com/sports/2011/5/16/BSB_0516110009.aspx
Chapman wins West Regional Championship 8-7 over Linfield with ninth inning rally
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/releases/0521
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Respectfully for Chapman (they were my pick to win the West back in January), I don't think that they have the depth at pitcher to win an 8-team tourney.
This is how I think that they go...win, loss, win, loss.
Rauh vs. the winner in Lakewood will be another great matchup, whether it's Alvernia (Kirk) or Kean (Russo).
;D