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I saw where there is some lively discussion in the West forum with the tournament as a separate topic. Hopefully, once the field is announced on Sunday/Monday, we can get some good discussion and some breakdown on teams here, too.
From reading the Pool C and South region posts, it appears likely (in spite of the lively debates between the MU and NCWC faithful) that the teams will line up like this:
Salisbury
Lynchburg
Piedmont
Emory
CNU
R-MC
If anyone has a link to a South Regional Tournament website, please post it. I know the USAS and ODAC are "co-hosts", but I have found nothing on either website about the tournament.
Here are your teams:
Hosted by USA South and Old Dominion, Danville, Virginia
1. Salisbury (38-2)
2. Johns Hopkins (34-5)
3. Piedmont (33-12)
4. Lynchburg (30-11)
5. Christopher Newport (28-12)
6. Randolph-Macon (25-15)
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2008/05/09/5273/2008-playoff-central.html
Quote from: A.G. on May 12, 2008, 05:31:04 AM
Here are your teams:
Hosted by USA South and Old Dominion, Danville, Virginia
1. Salisbury (38-2)
2. Johns Hopkins (34-5)
3. Piedmont (33-12)
4. Lynchburg (30-11)
5. Christopher Newport (28-12)
6. Randolph-Macon (25-15)
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2008/05/09/5273/2008-playoff-central.html
the winner of that regional will earn it...good luck to cnu, lc and rmc
Yep, the south is one tough field...
To me, the most intriguing match-up is the JHU-CNU game...
...one of the most explosive offenses in D3 against one of the best pitchers in Moreland.
This will be the first ever meeting between Johns Hopkins and CNU.
As a Hopkins fan, looking forward to a tough regional. Besides Moreland what can Christopher Newport Bring to that game?
Here is the link to the regional site.
http://www.usasouth.net/features/08NCAARegMain.htm
I must say Emory not getting in was a little bit of a shock...if there are two games which probably costs them:
1) The tie against Methodist..
2) The Loss at Oglethorpe...tough, tough loss.
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on May 12, 2008, 11:42:36 AM
Here is the link to the regional site.
http://www.usasouth.net/features/08NCAARegMain.htm
Thanks! Hope they can do the webcasts...the group that did the USAS Tourney did a great job with it.
Quote from: bluejayfan on May 12, 2008, 11:19:59 AM
As a Hopkins fan, looking forward to a tough regional. Besides Moreland what can Christopher Newport Bring to that game?
that's probably all they'll need...he's that good, but for good measure, they'll throw in ss trae bailey who hit .449 with 10 hr, 60 rbi and 8 sb...he's a big game, hitter, too
here are my predictions in this region...
salisbury, cnu, lynchburg win games 1, 2 &3
hopkins will beat rmc in game 4, salisbury will beat piedmont in game 5 and lynchburg will beat cnu in game 6
game 7 will be ssu over lc, game 8 will see cnu eliminated by jhu, game 9 will see hopkins eliminate their second team of the day as they beat the hornets and game 10 will crown salisbury champions
or i could be wrong :)
Quote from: Lou_Brown on May 12, 2008, 01:51:39 PM
I must say Emory not getting in was a little bit of a shock...if there are two games which probably costs them:
1) The tie against Methodist..
2) The Loss at Oglethorpe...tough, tough loss.
i would say the following games hurt emory much more than the tie vs. mu (28-15-1/.647)
loss to millsaps (29-18/.617)
loss to case western (13-29-1/.314)
loss to washu (15-14/.517)
loss to brandeis (19-19/.500)
loss to rhodes (28-15/.651)
loss to oglethorpe (which you mentioned...13-29/.309)
loss to udallas (19-17-1/.527)
if all other things are equal, a loss hurts more than a tie, and all but rhodes had a lower winning % than the monarchs (meaning, all other things WEREN'T equal) - all but the oglethorpe, case western and washu losses came at home, as well, which can't help in the eyes of the committee - that tie against mu actually counts as 1/2 of a win against a regionally ranked team...no way it hurt them
the losses above and the fact that the only real "wow" wins for the eagles were against depauw and mu were what kept me short of calling emory an absolute lock the last few weeks (although i did think they'd get in)
piedmont (twice), cnu (twice) and lynchburg (once) proved that losing to the monarchs would not preclude a team from getting a pool b or c bid :)
I am absolutely shocked that Emory didn't get in. All the numbers seemed to favor them getting the final pool B bid. It is frustrating that we will not be able to see The Eagles try and defend their South Region crown. We need to move to a field of 64 as soon as possible as this format is absolutely ridiculous.
Narch,
Will be interested to see Trae Bailey and of course Moreland. JHU will bring a couple of pretty good hitters of their own into the match-up. Will be interested to see if we get an offensive game or two dominating pitching performances.
Quote from: EnFuego on May 12, 2008, 03:43:59 PM
I am absolutely shocked that Emory didn't get in. All the numbers seemed to favor them getting the final pool B bid. It is frustrating that we will not be able to see The Eagles try and defend their South Region crown. We need to move to a field of 64 as soon as possible as this format is absolutely ridiculous.
I think that the number that "did Emory in" is the loss to WUSTL.
Emory went 1-1 vs the Bears; CSU-East Bay traveled to St Louis two weeks ago and swept the DH.
Give Emory one more win and one less loss, and I think that that neutralizes any factors in favor of CSU-East Bay, whom I thought got the 6th Pool B. :)
that's probably all they'll need...he's that good,
seriously?....hopkins isn't exactly bringing down an offense that is comparable to York, or Averett, or Hampden Sydney or some other poor school he beat up on this year...
Cutter,
Moreland has had an excellent career. Narch isn't even a CNU fan....
He also quieted NCWC (twice), Methodist and Greensboro this year.
I'm sure Hopkins pitching beat up on some less than stellar teams also.
Everyone knows Hopkins has some formidable offense.
Quote from: Cutter on May 13, 2008, 08:30:08 AMseriously?....hopkins isn't exactly bringing down an offense that is comparable to York, or Averett, or Hampden Sydney or some other poor school he beat up on this year...
forgive me if i'm not overly impressed with jhu's offensive output against washington college, mcdaniel, swat, muhlenburg, gettysburg, villa julie, dickinson, f&m, springfield, pitt-bradford and the likes...i could be dead wrong about moreland getting the best of the blue jays, but it's not as though the kid hasn't faced his fair share of quality teams in the usasac - his non conference starts included just 2 starts against teams with losing records (hsc at 17-25 and york at 14-27) - his lone no-decision of the season was against a tournament team, and he struck out 12 in 8 innings before turning it over to the bullpen in that game - he beat a d2 team that had a winning record - in all, 8 of his 12 wins (and 9 of his 13 starts) came against teams with winning records and he beat two teams that were at some point regionally ranked...i'm not sure i'd call that beating up on "poor" teams
his season line goes like this:
12-0, 1.70 era, 100.2 ip, 111 k, .192 opp ba
I get that the centennial conference isn't very strong, and fully respect CNU and Moreland for what he/they have accomplished. I only felt that saying all they needed was him was just a bit premature. I think it will be a great matchup!
For anyone who's interested, Piedmont has put together a nice little tournament page:
http://www.piedmontlions.com/Sports/baseball/2008/base_ncaa_central.asp?path=baseball
They also include a link to a webcast that is not included on the D3baseball.com site:
QuoteListen To Live Webcasts - Courtesy of PC's Student Radio Station WRFP
Piedmont College baseball fans will be able to listen to live webcasts of each of PC's game in the South Regional. The games will be webcast by Dr. Dale VanCanfort, Associate Professor of Mass Communications, through PC's student-run radio station WRFP. Fans can listen to live play-by-play by clicking on the "LISTEN LIVE" button at http://www.piedmont.edu/wrfp
The "LISTEN LIVE" link is compatible with Windows Media Player, REAL player, Yahoo, and several others.
Looks like all of CNU's games will be video streamed live on the web.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ncaasouthregionbase
Sweet. That's good stuff. Hopefully they'll have livestats for the all the games going.
Mr. Taylor,
Are you going to be there the entire tournament? I couldn't imagine a Hornet baseball game or tournament without you there?
Live stats are up and running for the first game.
http://livestats.internetconsult.com/cnu/baseball/
After a rough first two innings, Moreland has settled down and held JHU in check. CNU scores 4 in the 7th to tie the game at 5. Now in the 8th, JHU has brought Steppe into the game.
Free baseball here in Danville as score still tied at 5. Moreland has gone the distance for CNU.
CNU goes ahead 6 to 5, with runners still on the corners and 1 out in the 10th.
Quote from: A.G. on May 14, 2008, 05:40:54 PM
CNU goes ahead 6 to 5, with runners still on the corners and 1 out in the 10th.
Long delay here. Wiegand relieves Steffee
Matt McDaniel is scheduled to bat. He just needs to get it out of the infield.
Well, Cole scores on a wild pitch by Wiegand, Neal goes to second and then steals third. McDaniel whiffs. two outs, with Neal on third. CNU 7-5.
Medina triples to CF and scores Neal! CNU 8-5.
Giarizzi flies to CF for out #3. CNU leads 8-5. Kevin Morleand to relieve Ken Moreland.
Kevin Moreland in to close. CNU up 8 to 5.
Quote from: narch on May 12, 2008, 02:42:47 PMhere are my predictions in this region...
salisbury, cnu, lynchburg win games 1, 2 &3
hopkins will beat rmc in game 4, salisbury will beat piedmont in game 5 and lynchburg will beat cnu in game 6
game 7 will be ssu over lc, game 8 will see cnu eliminated by jhu, game 9 will see hopkins eliminate their second team of the day as they beat the hornets and game 10 will crown salisbury champions
or i could be wrong :)
3 for 3 so far...
Don't throw a shoulder out patting yourself on the back, Narch ;D
Great game by Devlin and the LC defense. I think there were 4-5 innings where Piedmont got the leadoff hitter on base only to have Devlin pitch out of it or LC turn a DP. Cruise and Litz with jacks put the game out of reach in the 8th.
Quote from: A.G. on May 14, 2008, 11:27:38 PM
Don't throw a shoulder out patting yourself on the back, Narch ;D
it's a little sore...i'm going to see a trainer this morning...hopefully i didn't tear the rotator cuff :)
macon is making it interesting!
Hopkins over Macon.
Looks like Narch is 4-4.
Quote from: Falcon2720 on May 15, 2008, 02:33:06 PM
Hopkins over Macon.
Looks like Narch is 4-4.
Aaaggh. Guess this ends it for us. But what a great year for a young team. Good luck to LC.
Piedmont over Salisbury 10 to 6! Narch falls to 4 and 1
LC and CNU in rain delay mode with field being tarped.
10 PM TENTATIVE start time...But radar not looking good.
950 PM start.
whoever wins the lc/cnu game will really be sitting pretty with everyone else playing for an elimination game from here forward...i'll take a 4-1 record to get my boys down at pc a win...peeps, rudy and scali will always be monarchs, to me
Looks like the winner of the South Region is going to have to go through the Hornets. Barring a 10-run or more ninth inning for CNU, LC will be the only team remaining without a loss.
Fine ball game by LC in all aspects. Nichols kept CNU off balance and the Hornets were solid in the field. For those who were there, though, the undoubted HIGHLIGHT of the evening/morning was the rain delay entertainment. Youtube video you just have to see forthcoming.
Rain delay fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXS7m8seJ0g
That was good entertainment. Such as that is another reason baseball is such a great game. ;D
Thanks for posting the video! Definitely the highlight for the CNU fans.....
Got a kick out of the entertainment.
jeff taylor...mad skillz (dancing, that is) :)
Great weather today for baseball .
SSU eliminates CNU 5 to1.
PC up 2 to 1 over JHU after 1.
Piedmont self-destructing on defense...JHU up 4-2 and still batting with one out in the 3rd.
Congrats to JHU on winning the South Region title. They are relentless on offense and had the pitching to get the job done twice, today.
hopkins gave trinity everything they could handle, didn't they...
Let's resume discussion of the 2009 Regional Tournament to be sponsored by Salisbury on this board.
Any idea how many ODAC and USAS teams could possibly make the regionals? I know the 2 tourney champions will go, but what is the maximum number of at-large bids?
Quote from: fightingquaker1 on February 18, 2009, 12:38:26 PM
Any idea how many ODAC and USAS teams could possibly make the regionals? I know the 2 tourney champions will go, but what is the maximum number of at-large bids?
There is no maximum number of at-large bids.
Check out the Handbook for Pool C bids and the process.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/baseball/2009/3_baseball_handbook.pdf
Thanks Ralph, great resource...
Ok....the field for the 2009 regional is set
Anything stand out to anyone? Good matchups? Bad matchups? Potentially interesting matchups?
I think the first round game btwn Hopkins and Shenandoah will be a great game. I think it is a relatively good draw for Hopkins.
Hopkins could do some damage in the region with the offense but the pitching doesen't seem to be that deep. Can any of the south region teams contend with Top seeded Salisbury?
I am a little confused by the fact d3baseball.com has labeled Hopkins "most likely to dissapoint".
In order to dissapont, don't ppl's expectations have to be high? I dont think ppl are expecting a #7 seed to do much. If they win one game, I would say that is exceeding expectations, not dissapointing.
That being said, somehow I dont think everyone knows how good their 1-2 starters are. They could make some noise early, and if they get a good deep pitching performance, you never know.
I just think a "most likely to dissapoint" team has to at least be ranked in the top half of the bracket
I think the most likely to disappoint statement was a bit much. They are a good team but not like last year. (So far) There lineup is explosive. The three pitchers with the most starts all have high era's. The batting average against is high also. But then again it is playoff time and good players rise to the top at this time of year. You just never know what could happen. I think they could wind up in the finals if the pitching performs.
ERA BAA
Dave Fioretti.... 3.90 .255
Chez Angeloni.... 4.57 . 296
Marco Simmons.... 7.08 .304
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 12, 2009, 08:25:42 AM
I am a little confused by the fact d3baseball.com has labeled Hopkins "most likely to dissapoint".
In order to dissapont, don't ppl's expectations have to be high? I dont think ppl are expecting a #7 seed to do much. If they win one game, I would say that is exceeding expectations, not dissapointing.
That being said, somehow I don't think everyone knows how good their 1-2 starters are. They could make some noise early, and if they get a good deep pitching performance, you never know.
I just think a "most likely to dissapoint" team has to at least be ranked in the top half of the bracket
I expect JHU does not see themselves as a number 7 seed. The expectations are so high for JHU that anything other than holding the trophy in Appleton is a disappointment.
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 12, 2009, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 12, 2009, 08:25:42 AM
I am a little confused by the fact d3baseball.com has labeled Hopkins "most likely to dissapoint".
In order to dissapont, don't ppl's expectations have to be high? I dont think ppl are expecting a #7 seed to do much. If they win one game, I would say that is exceeding expectations, not dissapointing.
That being said, somehow I don't think everyone knows how good their 1-2 starters are. They could make some noise early, and if they get a good deep pitching performance, you never know.
I just think a "most likely to dissapoint" team has to at least be ranked in the top half of the bracket
I expect JHU does not see themselves as a number 7 seed. The expectations are so high for JHU that anything other than holding the trophy in Appleton is a disappointment.
That's true. They definitely do not feel like they are the #7 in this matchup.
They have Angeloni vs. Shenandoah and Fioretti vs. York, if they win the first game. Id definitely think this regional sets up well for them.
Personally, I think JHU is the most dangerous #7 seed in the history of d3 baseball. I know that is a sweeping statement, but if you look at their experience, offense, and top starters, they have a lot of weapons.
Obviously,
as I can see you are counting NC Wesleyan out of this tournament before it starts. You have Fioretti going against York, which leads me to believe you think York can get by NCWC. For the record, the Bishops pour it 7-1 at Rocky Mount during their lone meeting this season, beating their number 2 and once they brought their number 3 guy, we hit him as well...this was while we threw our number 2 guy. Most likely, York will face a very hot Ben Moore who is 8-1. :P
Quote from: LTHSdad on May 12, 2009, 10:17:35 PM
Obviously,
as I can see you are counting NC Wesleyan out of this tournament before it starts. You have Fioretti going against York, which leads me to believe you think York can get by NCWC. For the record, the Bishops pour it 7-1 at Rocky Mount during their lone meeting this season, beating their number 2 and once they brought their number 3 guy, we hit him as well...this was while we threw our number 2 guy. Most likely, York will face a very hot Ben Moore who is 8-1. :P
True. You got me. Maybe I spoke to fast. I would not be surprised at all if NC wesleyan beats york, now that you mention it. And winning two straight wouldnt shock me either. Winning the USAS is impressive. I know they are hot. But their ERAs have got to be lower in this tournament than it was during the year
You can also join us on the Daily Dose for discussion of all eight regionals. Follow along with us or contribute items from games you're following.
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/05/13/regionals-underway/
Not to squelch discussion here at all, please continue! Just hoping to get occasional contributions from those following the games.
Hey I would join the other discussion if it didn't require yet another username and password. I've exhausted my supply.
CNU defeats Washington & Jefferson 5-3 in the first south regional game.
With regard to the "most likely to disappoint": that is the most disappointing prediction each year, or should I say discouraging. I believe CNU received that dubious honor last year. Don't pay it any mind.
looks like Washington and Lee is giving Salisbury a run for the money SU is up 3-2 in the 7th.
Yea, W&L pitcher has only given up 2 hits.
Shanandoah banged the ball. Hopkins didn't. SU wins it 8-2.
And the Hornets turned a couple double plays that saved their stingers....
One of them was with the bases loaded.
Quote from: vabaseball on May 14, 2009, 07:40:02 AM
And the Hornets turned a couple double plays that saved their stingers....
One of them was with the bases loaded.
Three inning-ending double plays actually. One with the bases loaded and the other two with runners on first and second. Absolutely murdered rallies on the one hand, or simply made up for the four errors on the other.
Yea,
Shenandoah came to play. They made big pitches, got big hits, and got it done in crunch time.
Hopkins didnt. That was the difference. They couldnt get the big play.
might hopkins come through the losers bracket again this year? they're up 8-1 through 2.1 vs. ncwc...
Quote from: narch on May 14, 2009, 02:25:17 PM
might hopkins come through the losers bracket again this year? they're up 8-1 through 2.1 vs. ncwc...
......they just pulled Fioreti him after 5 innings....he should be ready by saturday...probably not for tomorrow though.
Livestats on the front page has NCWC winning, so there may be some confusion.
The front page fixed the score but the livestats seems to be dead at this moment. The score stands JHU 12, NCWC 2 in the top of the 6th.
The Salisbury JHU game would be interesting tomorrow if CNU can hang on.
Salisbury burned Judson and Herbert Today. Judson could go on Sat, but I cant imagine tomorrow. Hopkins will see Wolfe who they hit up pretty well a few weeks ago.
Does Hopkins go with Simmons or Wiegand Tomorrow?
Salisbury/JHU rematch.....should be a good one tomorrow morning....
despite ncwc's early exit, the usasac is having a really nice tournament - i'm not surprised by cnu's success...they've been there/done that and played a really tough schedule, but su is a nice surprise
I was hoping NCWC would have a better showing, but am happy that the USA South is being well represented right now.
Shenandoah is fired up. CNU is hanging tough.
wow....
Hopkins takes down Salisbury. How many more wins do they have left in them??
wow is right. JHU dug their way out of a big early inning hole...
Good pitching by Wiegand, great pitching by Harbeck. One little 6-run belch in the 4th and 8 innings of scoreless ball. Nice game by all hands.
Shenandoah has put up a 7-spot in the bottom of the 8th, including 4 runs off harbeck and 3 runs off JHU's Fioretti, to go ahead 11-7.
Martone on the mound now for JHU.
Going to the top of the 9th for JHU.
Levac on the mound for Shen.
Congratulations to Shenandoah. Can doubt them no longer.
Congratulations to Shenandoah, They came to play and did a great job..certainly made a believer out of me... They are deserving,,Congrats to the players and coaches and good luck in Appleton.. GO HORNETS!!!!
Wow....what a regional. Congratulations to Shenandoah.
Hopkins made an incredible run through the loser's bracket as the #7 seed, proving they belonged in the conversation of the best teams in the country.
I was there the past few days and enjoyed it more than I can say. They lost in heartbraking fashion, but hats off to all the Hopkins players and coaches....it was a memorable run....
South Regional - Hosted by Methodist University at Armstrong Shelley Field
http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/facilities.htm
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2010, 01:44:25 AM
South Regional - Hosted by Methodist College University at Armstrong Shelley Field
http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/facilities.htm
corrected your post, Ralph :)
Can someone verify the following:
- What type of restroom facilities are there?
- How much seating is available?
- Do they have a concession stand?
Quote from: narch on April 23, 2010, 01:56:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2010, 01:44:25 AM
South Regional - Hosted by Methodist College University at Armstrong Shelley Field
http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/facilities.htm
corrected your post, Ralph :)
+1! ;)
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 23, 2010, 03:46:02 PM
Can someone verify the following:
- What type of restroom facilities are there?
men's and womens restroom's in a permanent facility (the men's room has 1 toilet and one sink...never been in the ladies room)
- How much seating is available?
enough for the regional...i'd estimate 500, but i could be off by as much as 100 either way...there are two large bleachers which could seat probably 200+ on either side of the press box/concession stand and probably 50 seat backs adjoining the two bleachers directly behind the backstop and in front of the press box/concession stand
- Do they have a concession stand?yes
and it's one of the most well-lit fields you'll see...night games are awesome for players (from what i understand) and fans
ralph...you've got an old facilities link, as well
this one gives you a better indication of what the armstrong-shelley looks like now...
http://www.mumonarchs.com/sports/2009/10/29/facilities_armstrongshelley.aspx?path=baseball
I will have to say that Methodist University has next to no consession stand, the bathroom facilities are poor at best and parking will be a nightmare. The field is ok but everything else is minimal at best
Quote from: ilikebaseball on April 23, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
I will have to say that Methodist University has next to no consession stand, the bathroom facilities are poor at best and parking will be a nightmare. The field is ok but everything else is minimal at best
Okay but what about these concerns?
Is the pitching rubber 60'6" from home plate?
Is it 90' from home plate to first base?
Are there appropriate receptacles for expectorated sunflower seed hulls?
;)
I liked Armstrong Shelley field. I think besides Bauer Field it is the best place to hold a on campus regional. Now if we had lights on Bauer Field it would be Bar-none the best place for a regional.
Quote from: ilikebaseball on April 23, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
I will have to say that Methodist University has next to no consession stand, the bathroom facilities are poor at best and parking will be a nightmare. The field is ok but everything else is minimal at best
parking won't be a problem whatsoever...mu put on a softball regional a few years ago and the "gate" was at the base of the hill before the tennis courts and golf course...this will give the entire lot beside the baseball field AND the lot between the tennis and golf facilities with overflow parking on the grass beside the softball field...plenty of parking
if they do what they did with the softball regional, there will be mobile concessions (if memory serves me right, there was a pizza place and funnel cakes, in addition to hot dogs, burgers, chips and drinks...but it's been a few years) and port-a-johns, in addition to the permanent facilities (which are, admittedly, small)...
seating is ok for regular season games but not for a regional. I doubt the stadium seating can hold more than 100 and that will be tight, just plain bench seating, not adequate for someone who likes to stay at the filed all day and watch every minute of baseball.
Quote from: narch on April 23, 2010, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: ilikebaseball on April 23, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
I will have to say that Methodist University has next to no consession stand, the bathroom facilities are poor at best and parking will be a nightmare. The field is ok but everything else is minimal at best
parking won't be a problem whatsoever...mu put on a softball regional a few years ago and the "gate" was at the base of the hill before the tennis courts and golf course...this will give the entire lot beside the baseball field AND the lot between the tennis and golf facilities with overflow parking on the grass beside the softball field...plenty of parking
if they do what they did with the softball regional, there will be mobile concessions (if memory serves me right, there was a pizza place and funnel cakes, in addition to hot dogs, burgers, chips and drinks...but it's been a few years) and port-a-johns, in addition to the permanent facilities (which are, admittedly, small)...
I know Monarch Nation will get a little peeved by this, but the South Region should not be held on this campus. Why didn't Methodist brass seek using the independent league's field (probably just up the road). At least there, you have a minor league ballpark and the type of facility this type of event should be held at. Salisbury did an outstanding job hosting the South Regional last year, and they were able to get Perdue Stadium for use (home to the Class A Delmarva Shore Birds). I had a great time there last season. Salisbury people were smart enough to not have such a big event on campus and where nothing, other than playing between the lines on the playing field, whould have worked.
If Methodist is having this at the Shelly, then it is a big mistake. The field might be attended to by major-league type groundskeepers and be in tip-top shape. I don't have a problem with the field, because I have seen it. That it is a "well-lit field" doesn't really impress me much (guess a lot of fields are that way).
I went down there in 2006 for a SU trip and maybe some things have improved since, but my God, you have to nearly do an obsticle course just to get back to the field. It is nestled deep in the campus of Methodist and trust me, I don't remember plenty of parking space. Baseball events, generally, have larger followings, anyway, by the way than do girls softball. (no problem, good time to rub elbows with heated rivals!!) ???
"Parking no problem"? WHAT?!!! Where are all these spaces at? And parking on the grass next to tennis courts? Way cool, my friend! There will not be adequate seating either. A crowd of 500 (ballpark figure) and two 'spacious' bleacher sections' might work, but I doubt it. They really should have had a park to play in that could hold 1,000 without much cramping. And people have to look forward to "one toilet with one sink"? Did the selection committee know this (and we know one member on that board)? Port-a-johns? Mobile concessions? WOW! :o
dk - i think all of your concerns are valid except the parking concerns...i think the parking that is available down there will easily accomodate everyone necessary - there is a large paved lot (probably 1.5 times bigger than the lot beside shelly field) between the tennis courts and golf course - if push comes to shove, there is lots of parking just a jump up the hill beside the newest on-campus apartments - it's really no further than parking would be @ most minor league stadiums i've been in (i park a LOT further away for every durham bulls game i've ever attended) - grass parking should only be necessary if attendance really swells beyond belief
when i say "well-lit" field, i mean it...apparently only 2 or 3 baseball fields in all of nc have more candle power than they measure at armstrong-shelly...seeing the ball is kind of important for ball players
what was the attendance at the salisbury regional games last year? the box score that i saw said 400 for a salisbury game - salisbury has a pretty strong following locally, and they played that in a really nice stadium...i would have expected more than 400 - if that number is correct, armstrong-shelly will be just fine
NCWC hosted a regional in 2006.
Ferrum hosted a regional in 2007.
Both regional tournaments went well. The facilities are very similar. Ferrum has a very nice grandstand but it doesn't sit 1000 people. Methodist has very similar seating as Wesleyan.
The Methodist regional will be run just as well. The water like always will be turned on. ;)
College's have to put in a bid to host a regional and then they have to be selected. This process cost alot of money, time and energy. Most schools don't want to put in a bid because of the overall effort that has to go into it
3 Teams in the South Region Tournament so far...
USA-South (Pool A)- Shenandoah University
CAC (Pool A)- University of Mary Washington
ODAC (Pool A)- Bridgewater College
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 25, 2010, 03:09:39 PM
NCWC hosted a regional in 2006.
Ferrum hosted a regional in 2007.
Both regional tournaments went well. The facilities are very similar. Ferrum has a very nice grandstand but it doesn't sit 1000 people. Methodist has very similar seating as Wesleyan.
The Methodist regional will be run just as well. The water like always will be turned on. ;)
I wanna say we have almost twice as much seating as MU.
Seating wasn't the point of my post. We can discuss who has the best facility if you want to. The point was to say that a regional does not have to be in a minor league stadium. It can be at an on-campus facility.
According to the stats,
The Championship game of the 2006 regional had 120 people (NCWC hosted and was in the game)
The Championship game of the 2007 regional had 610 people (Ferrum hosted and was in the game)
The Championship game of the 2008 regional had 108 people
The Championship game of the 2009 regional had 130 people
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 25, 2010, 07:36:47 PMAccording to the stats,
The Championship game of the 2006 regional had 120 people (NCWC hosted and was in the game)
The Championship game of the 2007 regional had 610 people (Ferrum hosted and was in the game)
The Championship game of the 2008 regional had 108 people
The Championship game of the 2009 regional had 130 people
i think armstrong-shelly can handle those numbers without issue...
I think the missed point is this: Regionals are something special, and while you don't get huge crowds, players appreciate the chance to play in out of the ordinary places, such as Delmarva's stadium, Legion Field in Danville-in short, minor league parks, if possible. You don't need seating for 15,000 as there won't be anything remotely approaching that number present, but a really nice setting is expected. Ferrum has a gorgeous field, certainly on the level of many minor league parks. NCWC and MU are comparable, certainly nice places, but neither has the feel of a minor league park. Methodist has two toilets, literally, one for males, one for females, which were both renovated for this year, a pretty small concession stand, and basically bleacher seating, except for the new chairs directly behind the plate. The playing surface seems fine and I'll take your word for the lights as we never saw them on. In between games this year, when 10 players and 15 fans are trying to use the same tiny bathroom, it won't be pretty. Porta-johns will be necessary, but ugly. The Methodist fans have always been great and I'm sure the folks working the game will be as friendly and hospitable as ever, but it just doesn't have the "feel' of a regional site.
Nice home field advantage however for MU, who looks to be a lock with each passing win. My Captains won't be there this year, so good luck to all...and go to the bathroom BEFORE you go to the games. ;D
If you need to play in a minor league stadium to get you pumped up for games then something is wrong.
I have played in 2 south regional tournaments and I didn't care where they were or what field we were playing on. The competition and the chance to play for a world series bid is what we players played for.
Teams have to place bids for the regional and the bid gets selected. The ability to get a minor league stadium cost a ton of money and the host school probably makes little to any money hosting a tournament. Like I said earlier, most schools don't put in bids because of the time, effort, and money required to go into the tournament.
Tell coach Harvell at CNU that you want them to host the regional tournament at War Memorial Stadium in Hampton, VA next year and see what he says. If you are hosting and you don't get in, that a huge risk to take.
Falcon, of course the players get cranked up for regionals wherever they might be played..duh.... and I'm sure it's a lot of work to host, certainly not as much fun, or as easy to get volunteers if your guys aren't in it. Maybe they should follow the D I example, and designate sites when the teams are selected, with teams being able to indicate ahead of time whether they are able/willing to host. It is a lot of work, but if a team has access to a facility, and rooms blocked off, the other logistics can be worked out within a week. The biggest thing would be the host securing commitments for the necessary hotel rooms before they offer to host.
CNU's players would have loved to have had a regional at Hampton, but I understand War Memorial, which I've never seen, might not be in the best of shape.
Perhaps Shenandoah can secure Front Royal's Bing Crosby Stadium and offer to host if they keep getting to regionals. Very nice new stadium with all new lights and facilities used by the Front Royal Cardinals of the Valley Baseball League and two local high schools.
Guys,
New to the site, been around college baseball for a long time. The Ferrum Regional in 2007 was the best hosted regional that I have attended. Large, unfilled minor league stadiums become too quiet and lack the energy that on campus sites offer. Just one man's thoughts.
i can see both sides of this...
i think for the FANS, the pomp and circumstance surrounding a regional in a nice minor league park is an advantage - good concessions, better parking, nicer/more comfortable seating, better restroom facilities
i think the PLAYERS care about different things - does the infield roll true, does the outfield have pot holes in it, is there a good hitting background, is it well lit
i can tell you that if i were a player, i'd prefer to play in front of 400 people in a facility that holds 700 vs. 400 in a facility that holds 5,200...arthur perdue stadium must have felt pretty empty last year...i think that "big time" feeling probably went away real quick for the players when they looked out and saw 5,000 or so empty seats, but maybe i'm wrong...
there is also the question of finances - i imagine someone has to pay to use an off-campus facility, no?
Quote from: hokieone on April 27, 2010, 11:32:49 AM
Perhaps Shenandoah can secure Front Royal's Bing Crosby Stadium and offer to host if they keep getting to regionals. Very nice new stadium with all new lights and facilities used by the Front Royal Cardinals of the Valley Baseball League and two local high schools.
my understanding is that if su wanted to host, they could put in a bid, even if the team was the worst team in the country...
and i've also heard that monarch players will be @ the regional regardless of what the selection committee thinks...they've got to work the event if they aren't playing in it...talk about motivation to win :)
hokie,
Your the one that said players appreciate the chance to play in minor league stadiums or out of the ordinary places. No, they appreciate the chance to play in a regional.
D3 chooses sites ahead of time for logistical purposes, so they can plan ahead. The NCAA pays for all regional teams. The NCAA doesn't want to pay money to fly teams to different sites at a last second notice. Some teams conference tournaments, pool A bids are the week before or end the day before regional selections. You can't have teams making a decision to host a regional tournament a couple days before it starts..duh...
BTW,
War Memorial host a CPL Pilots team that averages a couple thousand fans a game. The stadium is old but in the same shape as Burlington Stadium.
Whatever, no use beating the horse. Speaking just for the players, now former players,at my house, they enjoyed playing in the professional stadiums, 90% empty or no. Once the game starts, what or who is the stands doesn't much matter.
Burlington has been renovated since 2009-new sod throughout, new dugouts, new backstop, new infield. It's pretty sweet.
I would say that the players don't care where they are playing as long as it is a regional game. I can see and understand that players might enjoy playing at a professional stadium compared to a college field. But I also see the other side, last year in Salisbury the stadium was nice, but it was not packed or as loud as a college stadium. At SU we travel well and I think that the smaller bleachers can be helpful for us. At this stage in their career they have played at pretty much every level venue and it is still 60 feet from the rubber to the plate and 90 feet on the base paths.
As for Winchester/SU hosting a regional- I think that the Bing is a great stadium in Front Royal. The field and bleacher area is nice. The only bad part is that it is a band box. During the valley season I have seen a lot of homeruns with wooden bats, I can't imagine what it would be with aluminum during a regional setting. In my opinion it does not matter where you play now or what the field is like for regionals, the goal is to get to Appleton, where the stadium and field are in tip top condition.
Looks like we kind of shot ourselves in the foot with the loss to Stevenson the other night. I applaud Anderson for starting and playing the seniors on senior night. He did have to bring in the regulars in the 7th to see if they could pull out the win. My biggest concern from that game was the way the Van Sickler threw. He gave up 14 hits in 4 innings of work, his ball was up and very flat. Stevenson does have some good bats, but they teed-off on him like they were hitting in the cage. To me this was very discouraging after he was just voted pitcher of the year in the conference. He even struggled on the bump down in Burlington. He is going to have to get rested in order for SU to do anything game 1 at the regional. Looks like MU has made a great bid to get a look at the regional and with CNU losing their last 3 I don't see them getting a look.
GO HORNETS!!
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 27, 2010, 04:47:45 PMAs for Winchester/SU hosting a regional- I think that the Bing is a great stadium in Front Royal. The field and bleacher area is nice. The only bad part is that it is a band box. During the valley season I have seen a lot of homeruns with wooden bats, I can't imagine what it would be with aluminum during a regional setting.
didn't mu and su play in that stadium last year?...i kinda like the idea of using that place, if so...the monarchs put up 45 runs in 2 games :)
MU and SU had their "softball game" (or so the score seemed) in Winchester at Bridgeforth Field. The Front Royal stadium is about 15 miles away. It's a very nice practically new minor league-type stadium, although the playing surface at this point probably isn't quite as good as most college field playing surfaces. It just needs some TLC by folks that really know what they're doing, something hard to accomplish sometimes when there is public ownership and Parks and Rec Departments involved. The stadium is extremely nice, the nicest in the Valley League until Harrisonburg starts playing this summer at JMU's new field, although W&L's, where Rockbridge plays, is close.
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 27, 2010, 04:47:45 PM
My biggest concern from that game was the way the Van Sickler threw. He gave up 14 hits in 4 innings of work, his ball was up and very flat. Stevenson does have some good bats, but they teed-off on him like they were hitting in the cage. To me this was very discouraging after he was just voted pitcher of the year in the conference. He even struggled on the bump down in Burlington.
Yeah, I saw that Van Sickler got carved up pretty well and thought "How is Stevenson [the former Villa Julie] putting up this kind of offense against such a fanstastic pitcher?" That box was mind-boggling: 14 hits, seven earned! I might disagree with your statement on how GVS "struggled on the bump down at Burlington." Sure, he gave up 11 hits and four earned. But that was in a complete-game effort against one of the USA-South's top hitting teams in Methodist! He had 17 runs of support, so I don't think he had to be fine on every stinking pitch! I too have noticed that he has gotten the ball up some throughout the season and has lost some velocity on pitch No. 1. Keep in mind that he has a new catcher (albeit Neeb has done a very good job as a true freshman and made all-state in high school because of his receiver's tools more than his batting prowess), and in relation to that, had two D1 catchers at Front Royal last summer when he was one of the top five starting pitchers (any level) in the VBL. Van Sickler still has wicked off-speed stuff and is one of the more coachable players you will ever come across. Having nearly a month off between games might just hurt the Hornets, who knows? But that also gives Coach K time to fine-tune everything and get this staff ready for the haul at the Shelly. I don't think you're going to see Kevin or Taylor DuFrene tinker with Van Sickler's arm slot much or get him to work inside/out or up/down with location. Van Sickler will still be one of the best pitchers in Fayetteville. If you're an SU fan, hope more that Yokum can keep up his hot pitching or some other starter can eat innings if the Hornets continue to win. The fewer you play (towards a championship) the better you'll be.
Quote from: Diamond King on April 28, 2010, 09:13:27 AM
Keep in mind that he has a new catcher (albeit Neeb has done a very good job as a true freshman and made all-state in high school because of his receiver's tools more than his batting prowess).
That's pretty impressive, SU wins the USA-South Conference tourney championship with a freshman catcher.
And CNU did the exact same thing two years ago -- won the tournament championship (and the regular season) with a freshman catcher -- perhaps two freshman catchers splitting the time.
D.K. - I agree with you on Van Sickler being one of the best pitchers at regionals. We need him to throw well to get us off on the right foot towards the championship. I have noticed that he has lost velocity on the fastball this year, which could result in him living with his breaking stuff. I am just comparing what I see this year, to what I saw last year and in the VBL. Taylor and Anderson are not going to change anything with regards to Greg in the next month off from games, they will as you put it "fine tune things". I think that the month off is going to be good for both Greg and the rest of the pitching staff. I heard that Stefanowicz is back throwing; this could be helpful for the middle relief staff. This is a place that we have been shaky lately. From starter and closer perspective I feel comfortable, but for the middle relief it's a toss up. Yocum is going to have to stay hot for us in the #2 slot in the rotation. He did a nice job in Burlington, but as we all know regionals are the next step up and I hope he steps up like he did a couple of weeks ago. My biggest questions are who is going to be the #3 or #4 for us? Hopefully our bats continue to do what have done all season. Looking forward to seeing what will come over the next couple of weeks.
GO HORNETS!!
On a more serious note: SU Baseball Player/ 2008 Graduate Preston Tarleton was in a really bad car accident over the weekend, so keep both his family and the SU family in your thoughts and prayers.
Keaton has done one hell of a job behind the dish this year. I am very impressed with his ability to recieve the ball as well as he does. He has saved some games/ big innings for Hornets with his ability to block the ball as well as he does. He has been a great find from the SU coaching staff.
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 28, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
Keaton has done one hell of a job behind the dish this year. I am very impressed with his ability to recieve the ball as well as he does. He has saved some games/ big innings for Hornets with his ability to block the ball as well as he does. He has been a great find from the SU coaching staff.
The way Neeb handles a game is well beyond his years. Obviously, he has had good coaching. None of his last three in-season mentors (Todd Miller, Nick Sborz, or Kevin Anderson) have ever caught a game (beyond little league) to my knowledge, but I am sure they or someone on their staffs have taught Neeb how to play the position well (no diss meant here if Keaton learned the tools of the trade through summer ball). Neeb plays with a lot of confidence, at least when he is in the field. Just watch Neeb and you'll see he carries himself well. He was a three-sport athlete in high school, but baseball has always been far and above his best sport. Neeb still needs some work at the bat, just some mechanical stuff and the ability to transfer some of that confidence behind the dish to the plate. But that will come, I am sure. Getting Neeb in camp might have been Coach K's most promising pickup in the off-season. Neeb actually started out at D1 VMI but from I learned was told they had two schoalys ahead of him at catcher and he would be redshirted for 2010. Neeb wanted to play right away, and looked into coming to SU. Now you know!
About Preston: Sorry to hear he was in a car wreck. What exactly happened? Didn't know him very well, but I know he always played hard when given the chance. I'll never forget Tarleton going deep against CNU's Kenny Moreland (now playing High A ball in the Orioles' system) a few years back. He could always say he had a homer against a future pro player! My family will keep Preston in our prayers.
Quote from: hokieone on April 27, 2010, 11:32:49 AM
Perhaps Shenandoah can secure Front Royal's Bing Crosby Stadium and offer to host if they keep getting to regionals. Very nice new stadium with all new lights and facilities used by the Front Royal Cardinals of the Valley Baseball League and two local high schools.
First I'd like to say to all the naysayers, if I'm a college player and get a chance to play in a minor league park, filled or with a couple dozen, I'm pumped. For a lot of these guys, it's as close as they'll ever come to playing in a pro ballpark! :'(
I like hokieone's thought process when considering using Front Royal, Virginia's Bing Crosby Stadium. Yes, it is fairly new (opened in July 2006) and has been one of the most-liked fields in the Valley Baseball League ever since. I have some thoughts on the Bing and one other field of interest: A place known as "The Bridge."
If SU were to win a bid to host the South Region, wouldn't the Hornets first consider their home field of Bridgeforth Field, in Jim Barnett Park? After lots of years, some renovations have gotten under way, but I still don't know if this is a suitable fit. Before this season, the press box, getting worn by years of neglect, looked something like Fort Sumter from the outside! The field opened in 1979 (Coach K played in the first game there when he was a senior in high school) and it was a top-notch facility for years (Clemson, JMU, and UVa. all played games there the first two years). I know some improvements are in the works, and it's about time. I don't feel like going on with the shortcomings over there, but I'll just say it used to be a nice field.
As far as the Bing, there still is a lot of improvements that need be made. Yes, it has that minor league ballpark feel once you come in the stadium. It does have a big concession stand, good restroom facilities, plenty of seating (1,100, plus some standing room down along the field-level fences, just outside the dugouts) and is well-lit (thank you, narch!). My problem with the seating is it is aluminum bleachers that could use a good powerwash now and again. Plus at night, the overhang leaves for some dark spots in places. There are some chairbacks located just below the press box, and I would suggest using those at all cost. And no matter where you sit, you'd have a hard time seeing who is warming up in the bullpen. Why? Because of the big, brick clubhouse (on either side) that blocks your view! And the netting on the outfield walls is a little tiresome (high school games, hit it there and it is a homer. College or otherwise, ground-rule double. You have to CLEAR THE NET for a homer). You'd probably have a tough time getting the Parks & Rec to allow a college regional to take place there. Coaches from the Cardinals and the two high schools have a hard time getting keys from the folks that work there, and don't even think about holding practice there! The Parks & Rec there uses the attitude "This is OUR field and we decide who uses it and when."
1st NCAA DIII Regional Rankings
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/042910aaa.html
South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Shenandoah 26-7 34-8
2. Mary Washington 19-9 24-10
3. Millsaps 23-12 25-15
4. Methodist 23-10 27-11
5. LaGrange 24-16 26-17
6. York (Pennsylvania) 23-12 23-12
Biggest surprise... No Salisbury
Second biggest surprise...Mary Washington # 2?
LaGrange looks like they might get that Pool B bid over Huntingdon
The Methodist-York series this weekend has huge playoff implications
this is how i see the final regional rankings:
1. shenandoah
2. mary wash
3. millsaps
4. york
5. salisbury
6. methodist
i can't see lagrange, huntingdon or rhodes jumping over mu...all three have lower (or in huntingdon's case, equal) regional win % and all three have lower regional sos numbers - rhodes and huntingdon both have head-to-head wins vs. mu, but i'm not sure exactly how that plays into the situation...they had those head-to-head wins when the first rankings were released and they were below mu
if the monarchs are to get a bid, i think the ncaa will have to make the decision to make this an 8 team regional and bring in millsaps and perhaps trinity - the regional would then be the six schools listed above plus trinity and bridgewater – logistically, it makes OK sense...trinity and millsaps have to fly wherever they go – trinity is closest to the central regional at approx. 1180 miles (vs. approx. 1360 to fayetteville...180 miles by plane doesn't make much difference) and millsaps to fayetteville vs. millsaps to the central regional site (next closest for them) is about a wash (ohio is about 150 miles further) – here is me rooting for an 8 team regional :)
in theory, hopkins could also be brought into this regional, although they are only 140 miles or so from the mid-atlantic regional (vs. 365 miles from fayetteville)
NEW TO THE BOARDS.. figured i can jump on here now since i dont play anymore.....but anyways i just wanted to say that Methodist is not that bad of a field and the town of fayetteville isnt either..... i hate fayetteville more than anyone in the world but it really isnt that bad.... also i played highschool ball for 3 years in that area and Methodist field has come a long way. Last year when i pitched against Methodist at their place i enjoyed the mound and the fielding surface may not look good from first glance but the ball has no bad hops... well atleast it looked like it. Tom Austin is the best coach in the USA South and is a 1rst class guy... IM sure hell have that place looking nice and run the right way... i mean heck.. he should due to running the south regionals the last few years sooo no worries... ONly thing the other teams need to worrie about is Shan and Meth.... Shan is a team that when it comes to big games they show up... TRUST ME i watched them smack us in the 2nd round of the tourny last year... and when i threw agaisnt them in the conf champ game every single out is a tuff out. Van Sickler will be fine when he throws... and their bats will show up... no to mention they have a close argument for the best coach in the league as well... Anderson always has hes team ready espeically on the mental side of the game...... NOW Meth is at home... its there house... there field... there town..... how can you not pick them to go far...... and it helps to have that advantage... i mean my freshman year we won it at our house and there is no better feeling... it just makes you look at the field different. But Meth is going to make regionals i mean the guy that runs the dang thing is the Coach of the field its played at.... you really think they want get picked....... I dont see why if it was in Fay... they didnt play it at THE SWAMP home of the Fayetteville SwampDogs of the Coastal Plain League. Seats around 3,000 concessions would be great and parking is very good.... I played there for 3 years and loved every minute of it.... the city and that organization would have ran a very nice tournament... maybe in the future..... there is no field better to hold a regional in our conference other then the good ole B FIELD in Rocky Mount, but Meth the 2nd best i agree ..... Best of luck to both teams and i ll be sitting in the stands wishing them the best
Ben,
welcome to the board! Complete agree. Methodist will get in as a Pool C I believe. I am really surprised that they are not also using the Swampdogs field to have a few games. I believe between Methodist and the Swampdogs, they should be able to host all games.
Still can't forget last year at Aberdeen. Very beautiful field...just feels like a pro playing there.
latest regional rankings released - http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/050610aaj.html
South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Shenandoah 26-7 34-8
2. Mary Washington 19-9 26-10
3. York (Pennsylvania) 28-12 28-12
4. Millsaps 23-12 25-15
5. LaGrange 24-16 26-17
6. Methodist 24-13 28-14
lagrange over mu is confounding...mu is 2-0 head-to-head vs. lagrange with a better regional record, better overall record and mu has a stronger sos (83 vs. 166 per d3baseball.com) - mu is also 3-4 vs. in-region ranked teams, while lagrange is 1-5 vs. in-region ranked teams...it's a head scratcher, and not a good sign for the monarchs chances at a regional bid...not a good sign at all
and i still can't figure how salisbry, with a 22-8 regional record and a solid (but not spectacular) sos isn't ranked regionally
Ferrum (24-13) knocked off Mary Washington 7 to 3 on Tuesday and York, PA 17 to 7 today which has to throw a curve-ball into these at-large bids for teams fighting to get into South Region.
Ferrum completes their regular season tomorrow with York, PA.
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on May 06, 2010, 11:36:28 PM
Ferrum (24-13) knocked off Mary Washington 7 to 3 on Tuesday and York, PA 17 to 7 today which has to throw a curve-ball into these at-large bids for teams fighting to get into South Region.
according to this ncaa document (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank), ferrum was only 13-13 in region before the two games yesterday...they aren't even on the radar screen with a 15-13 in-region record
As a Millsaps fan, I've naturally been keeping a close eye on the York and Methodist games for the last week. I was really hoping for a 2-2 split between Piedmont, Methodist, and York last weekend, and have to give credit to York for going 4-0. Still, with the loss yesterday, one has to feel that today might very well be a NCAA play-in game for York since it seems like an 0-2 followup following that 4-0 might drop them back behind Millsaps--AND, it seems likely that the South Region will only get one Pool C bid.
GUYS,
FUSS all you want about whos over who and what is what.... trust me METH IS GETTING IN..... its at there park and AUSTIN is the butt that is in that chair that runs the south regional.... sorry to bust your lets play this car and lets play that card to see whos getting in.... METH IS IN as the 6th best team but mark my words theyll give them the 5 seed so SHAN and METH dont play each other in the first round.... WATCH AND SEEE
i could be wrong, but i don't think tom austin is on the south region committee this year...anyone know who is?
Quote from: frank_ezelle on May 07, 2010, 10:59:56 AM
As a Millsaps fan, I've naturally been keeping a close eye on the York and Methodist games for the last week. I was really hoping for a 2-2 split between Piedmont, Methodist, and York last weekend, and have to give credit to York for going 4-0. Still, with the loss yesterday, one has to feel that today might very well be a NCAA play-in game for York since it seems like an 0-2 followup following that 4-0 might drop them back behind Millsaps--AND, it seems likely that the South Region will only get one Pool C bid.
frank...i don't know...even with a loss, york would finish with a higher region win% and more wins vs. regionally ranked teams...i think they are a pretty safe bet to stay ahead of millsaps - then again, mu trumps lagrange in EVERY category that i've ever heard mentioned as selection/ranking criteria
Quote from: narch on May 07, 2010, 08:18:54 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on May 06, 2010, 11:36:28 PM
Ferrum (24-13) knocked off Mary Washington 7 to 3 on Tuesday and York, PA 17 to 7 today which has to throw a curve-ball into these at-large bids for teams fighting to get into South Region.
according to this ncaa document (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank), ferrum was only 13-13 in region before the two games yesterday...they aren't even on the radar screen with a 15-13 in-region record
Actually Ferrum wins are helping Salisbury, Millsaps and Methodist chances even more so.
Quote from: NCWC 4 on May 07, 2010, 11:02:38 AM
GUYS,
FUSS all you want about whos over who and what is what.... trust me METH IS GETTING IN..... its at there park and AUSTIN is the butt that is in that chair that runs the south regional.... sorry to bust your lets play this car and lets play that card to see whos getting in.... METH IS IN as the 6th best team but mark my words theyll give them the 5 seed so SHAN and METH dont play each other in the first round.... WATCH AND SEEE
You may be right, but Oshkosh hosted a regional last year. The players raked the field all weekend despite being the regular season tri-champs of the WIAC.
Methodist has a better shot than did Oshkosh, but I wouldn't look at hosting as a factor.
These regional rankings are hard to figure out but I do think the coaches have a good insight into where they stand. If that's the case, then maybe York is already a lock. I say that because the York pitching yesterday was more about getting work for pitchers instead of winning the game: starter goes 4 innings and then 5 pitchers went 1 inning each.
Personally, I hope York gets the rest of the staff into today's game, but I suspect that Jason Christenberry and Brandon Ullom might be the only ones on the mound today (based on the stats I find on the York website).
Quote from: OshDude on May 07, 2010, 12:58:51 PMYou may be right, but Oshkosh hosted a regional last year. The players raked the field all weekend despite being the regular season tri-champs of the WIAC.
Methodist has a better shot than did Oshkosh, but I wouldn't look at hosting as a factor.
bingo...for some reason there is this false concept that hosting a regional and being selected to play in the regional go hand-in-hand...not true
that being said, i hope mr. moore is correct, though :)
Quote from: frank_ezelle on May 07, 2010, 01:01:21 PM
These regional rankings are hard to figure out but I do think the coaches have a good insight into where they stand. If that's the case, then maybe York is already a lock. I say that because the York pitching yesterday was more about getting work for pitchers instead of winning the game: starter goes 4 innings and then 5 pitchers went 1 inning each.
Personally, I hope York gets the rest of the staff into today's game, but I suspect that Jason Christenberry and Brandon Ullom might be the only ones on the mound today (based on the stats I find on the York website).
York
(28-14) drops another one to Ferrum, 7 to 5 today.
Christenberry went 8.2IP and Ullom was tagged with loss in going final 1.1IP
http://www.ycpspartans.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/files/ycpbb42.htm (http://www.ycpspartans.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/files/ycpbb42.htm)
Quote from: narch on May 07, 2010, 11:25:48 AM
i could be wrong, but i don't think tom austin is on the south region committee this year...anyone know who is?
Jeff Cleanthes, Rhodes, is chair for the South.
Charlie Long, NCWC, is the USA South rep.
Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/baseball/2010/10_3_baseball.pdf)
Couple of observations......
1.) If the past is any indication, these regional rankings really mean very little at this particular juncture. There has been alot of movement in seasons past and I expect to see much the same in particular with next weeks rankings.
2.) La Grange in my opinion is not a top 6 regional team and I am pretty sure this will be seen in the next rankings.
3.) Salisbury needs one win this weekend to have a shot.
4.) Millsaps shouldn't really be in the mix as far as I'm concerned. Their numbers are not true in my opinion. The whole debacle with them and Trinity not playing that final series is bogus. Those games needed to be played. Had to. To me, Rhodes and Millsaps played a NCAA knockout game in the SCAC Tourney and Rhodes came out on top.
5.) Don't be surprised to see Rhodes climb into the mix. If they take 2 this weekend that puts them certainly in the discussion. Maybe Coach Cleanthes can work the same magic Coach Austin used in 2007 to get his Monarchs in ahead of Rhodes with a worse in-region record and a head to head loss. ::)
"4.) Millsaps shouldn't really be in the mix as far as I'm concerned. Their numbers are not true in my opinion. The whole debacle with them and Trinity not playing that final series is bogus. Those games needed to be played. Had to. To me, Rhodes and Millsaps played a NCAA knockout game in the SCAC Tourney and Rhodes came out on top."
It seems like there are some people who want to believe that the coaches really didn't want to play this Millsaps-Trinity series so they made no effort to get it in. If that's the case, then Coach Page of Millsaps really did a good acting job, having a bus show up at the campus Friday before it was decided that no games could be played on Saturday, and then the team was actually on the road Saturday when it was decided that there's was just no way to get in a DH on Sunday. The teams had check on alternative fields in Texas and Louisiana for a neutral site series and no field could be found that wasn't soaked or in use.
Then with the SCAC Tournament starting the following Thursday, there was no way to make up games, and Millsaps couldn't schedule additional games after the SCAC Tournament because they had reached their 15 weeks that are allowed for the regular season.
Yes, it was very unfortunate that Millsaps and Trinity did not play that series, but I have trouble seeing how anyone can call the situation bogus. Especially using it as a criticism of the visiting team (Millsaps) who had no control regarding the playing condition of the field and was also willing to make a 1,200 mile bus trip for a shortened series.
GUYS... LIKE I SAID METH IS IN.... i dont care whos in the chair this year..... but the USA SOUTH IS THE HOST CONF.... if you look up usa south baseball in the dictionary it has a pic of AUSTINS FACE AND BO LEGs.... the guys is the usa south... first coach i think of and first person i think of....... the past 100 years austin has run the south regional..... soo who cares who is in it this year.... its his town.... his schools field..... and his getting in.... ... and mr OSH whatever.... your osh boys are no methodist..... but them two on a see saw and you better give osh a prachute cause when meth sits on the other side they would throw osh to the moon..... so dont compare osh hosting and there chances compared to METH.... dont get me wrong i hated losing or meth but i respect them..... on the other hand... congrads to coach long....
and best wishes to shan and meth in regionals
bm - i just wish you were this nice to the monarchs when you were on the hill :)
Quote from: NCWC 4 on May 08, 2010, 09:17:58 PM
GUYS... LIKE I SAID METH IS IN.... i dont care whos in the chair this year..... but the USA SOUTH IS THE HOST CONF.... if you look up usa south baseball in the dictionary it has a pic of AUSTINS FACE AND BO LEGs.... the guys is the usa south... first coach i think of and first person i think of....... the past 100 years austin has run the south regional..... soo who cares who is in it this year.... its his town.... his schools field..... and his getting in.... ... and mr OSH whatever.... your osh boys are no methodist..... but them two on a see saw and you better give osh a prachute cause when meth sits on the other side they would throw osh to the moon..... so dont compare osh hosting and there chances compared to METH.... dont get me wrong i hated losing or meth but i respect them..... on the other hand... congrads to coach long....
and best wishes to shan and meth in regionals
Well stated. I assume you were not a history or english major.
was not a history or english major but i do know my baseball and my conference and i know that your little osh cosh sugar spice girls hold nothing against the history of my school or METH.... sooo zip it mullet man........ but sorry i hit a soft spot and called your wanta be south region power house team out....
bm/ncwc4 - uw-osh kosh is plenty good and has a couple of national championships to show for it...
with every day the monarch's hopes grow dimmer...2 more strong teams are now in pool c with cortland and westfield state (both 30 game winners) losing in their conference tourney's - cortland was the top ranked team in their region while westfield was ranked third in their region (of course, the usasac handed the top ranked team in that region, tufts, two of their five losses with mu and gc picking up convincing wins vs. the jumbos)
Quote from: narch on May 11, 2010, 01:32:11 PM
bm/ncwc4 - uw-osh kosh is plenty good and has a couple of national championships to show for it...
with every day the monarch's hopes grow dimmer...2 more strong teams are now in pool c with cortland and westfield state (both 30 game winners) losing in their conference tourney's - cortland was the top ranked team in their region while westfield was ranked third in their region (of course, the usasac handed the top ranked team in that region, tufts, two of their five losses with mu and gc picking up convincing wins vs. the jumbos)
Of course, that was Tufts opening trip of the season...
Mar. 19 3:00 PM at Lynchburg W, 15-11
Mar. 21 1:00 PM at Washington and Lee W, 9-5
Mar. 22 3:00 PM at Guilford W, 7-3
Mar. 23 1:30 PM at Averett W, 9-1
7:00 PM at Greensboro L, 17-3
Mar. 24 4:00 PM at Methodist L, 16-8
Mar. 25 3:00 PM at North Carolina Wesleyan W, 11-4
Mar. 26 3:00 PM at Randolph-Macon
Game #6 on Day #6 of the Tufts' season versus game #23 for Methodist. ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2010, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: narch on May 11, 2010, 01:32:11 PM
bm/ncwc4 - uw-osh kosh is plenty good and has a couple of national championships to show for it...
with every day the monarch's hopes grow dimmer...2 more strong teams are now in pool c with cortland and westfield state (both 30 game winners) losing in their conference tourney's - cortland was the top ranked team in their region while westfield was ranked third in their region (of course, the usasac handed the top ranked team in that region, tufts, two of their five losses with mu and gc picking up convincing wins vs. the jumbos)
Of course, that was Tufts opening trip of the season...
Mar. 19 3:00 PM at Lynchburg W, 15-11
Mar. 21 1:00 PM at Washington and Lee W, 9-5
Mar. 22 3:00 PM at Guilford W, 7-3
Mar. 23 1:30 PM at Averett W, 9-1
7:00 PM at Greensboro L, 17-3
Mar. 24 4:00 PM at Methodist L, 16-8
Mar. 25 3:00 PM at North Carolina Wesleyan W, 11-4
Mar. 26 3:00 PM at Randolph-Macon
Game #6 on Day #6 of the Tufts' season versus game #23 for Methodist. ;)
And the three significant pitchers in those two games (DeGoti, Higgins and Crawford) pitched a total of 45 innings over the entire season.
Quote from: RSSmith on May 11, 2010, 04:30:46 PM
And the three significant pitchers in those two games (DeGoti, Higgins and Crawford) pitched a total of 45 innings over the entire season.
and the monarchs pitched freshman for 6.1 innings in the 16-8 win...
congrats to all of the teams that made the south regional tournament...i hope you enjoy fayetteville and the time you spend on the mu campus!
i'll be sure to post some places to stay/eat/etc. on this site in the next few days
Should be an outstanding tournament. Who do you think will take it?
South Regional
Hosted by Methodist, Fayetteville, N.C.
1. Shenandoah (34-8)
2. Salisbury (27-11)
3. Mary Washington (26-12)
4. York (Pa.) (28-14)
5. LaGrange (26-17)
6. Bridgewater (Va.) (23-18-1)
With only 1 USA-South team advancing into the Regionals, the USA-South had a down year overall, in my opinion.
Anyone could expect Salisbury and Shenandoah to be fighting it out, but who knows, anything is very much possible in baseball.
Quote from: Stargell on May 17, 2010, 08:41:46 AM
Should be an outstanding tournament. Who do you think will take it?
my order of favorites...salisbury, shenandoah, york...any of those three could win this thing...should be great baseball
some local knowledge for those visiting...fayetteville has almost every possible chain restaurant, but there are some really good local places
near campus:
scrub oaks (http://www.scruboaks.com/) - right beside campus...really good, upscale pub food...great atmosphere...smallish and service can be slow - owned by mu grads and booster club members
pierro's pizzeria (http://www.pierrositalianbistro.com/) - right beside scrub oaks...solid food...pizza by the slice or pie and other italian fare...service can be really slow...don't go there in a hurry, but you'll get a good meal - the downtown location has much better atmosphere
mi casita (http://www.micasitamexrest.com/index.htm) - great cheap, quick authentic mexican...try the pechuga de pollo...you won't be sorry!
downtown:
huske hardware house (http://www.huskehardware.com/) - my favorite place to eat in the 'ville - good drinks, good food, great atmosphere
pierro's pizzeria – see above
beef o'bradys (http://www.beefobradys.com/Default.aspx) – it's a chain, but good food, good atmosphere
mall area:
luigi's (http://www.luigisnc.com/): GREAT Italian food
mash house brewery (http://www.themashhouse.com): good drinks, good atmosphere...I'm not a huge fan of the food, but lots of folks like it
carabba's: another chain, but owned by a mu grad and always a safe choice
316 oyster bar: I don't usually eat seafood more than an hour from the coast, but the times i've eaten there, i've been pleased
I like the Bridgewater vs. Shenandoah match-up. All this talk about how great Shenandoah is will finally be put to the test against a very good team with a very good pitching staff. They will likely see Alex Foltz, a guy with a 90 mph fastball and nasty breaking stuff. Shenandoah has knocked around some mediocre pitching all year but im really interested to see how they do against very good pitching. Should be a good game
I like for Shenandoah to come out of the South just because they hit so well. Van Sickler will have to pitch well and Yocum will have to contribute as well. Not sure if Rabung would be available this late in the year or if Cory Nelson's elbow is better to throw a few innings.
My dark horse pick to come out of South will be Mary Washington. Very good hitting team (team BA .332) 9 players hit over .300 and they also have Junior Pitcher Eric Rehbein.
Quote from: BaseballFan10 on May 18, 2010, 10:41:30 AM
I like the Bridgewater vs. Shenandoah match-up. All this talk about how great Shenandoah is will finally be put to the test against a very good team with a very good pitching staff. They will likely see Alex Foltz, a guy with a 90 mph fastball and nasty breaking stuff. Shenandoah has knocked around some mediocre pitching all year but im really interested to see how they do against very good pitching. Should be a good game
foltz's line today...4.2 ip, 12 h, 7 er, 6 r, 4 bb, 5 k's...he didn't have it today and su has a 9-0 lead through 7
perhaps the question should have been "how will foltz do against very good hitting" (he didn't see a lot of that in the odac)
R H E
01 - 08 - 01 ... Bridgewater
11 - 19 - 00 ... Shenandoah
Quote from: BaseballFan10 on May 18, 2010, 10:41:30 AM
I like the Bridgewater vs. Shenandoah match-up. All this talk about how great Shenandoah is will finally be put to the test against a very good team with a very good pitching staff. They will likely see Alex Foltz, a guy with a 90 mph fastball and nasty breaking stuff. Shenandoah has knocked around some mediocre pitching all year but im really interested to see how they do against very good pitching. Should be a good game
Glad to see that Bridgewater got into the tournament, after the showing today they will be back in Harrisonburg tomorrow night. As for Foltz, I have never heard someone get hyped up like this and only 4.2. I guess the wiffle ball league of the ODAC is a little bit different than the USA South. If he throws 90, Van Sickler is going closer to 100 as regards to the comparison above. Narch you might be right, he is not used to seeing hitting like that. The big question I have is Alex Foltz fitting into the mediocre category?
I am glad to see that the big hitters for SU showed up today with 19 hits. It took a little bit to get the rust off, but once it was off they looked like they did back in the USA South Tournament. Greg threw a nice game and Jesse Henry was hot from the start. Looks like Yocum will get the nod tomorrow. As for now it's back to the filed to watch some good baseball.
Well ill be the first to admit i was wrong but Foltz was way off his game. Ill give Shenandoah credit that they are a better hitting team then i thought and they proved that today. Nobody hyped up foltz, all i was saying is that the USA south conference was VERY weak this year with pitching. So dont hype of the USA South like they are something great because honestly both conferences were pretty miserable this year as far as talent goes. You must not know anything about baseball if you think van sickler throws much harder than Foltz...they were both right around the mid 80's maybe touching upper 80's. Everybody has a bad game...tough to have a bad game tho when your playing the worst teams in the country like shenandoah and the USA south teams do just to run their record up...Shenandoah should just schedule a game next year vs a team with some good pitching for example...Lynchburg... who was top 5 in the nation last year in team ERA....
Great reading..lol I love all the excuses..May the best team win...GO SU. noone thought you could do it once let alone twice...lol
bridgewater is heading home after 2...looking forward to york/shenandoah in a few minutes...should be a good game
so far, armstrong shelley is holding up just fine...no long lines @ the restrooms, parking is no problem and the bleachers are more than capable of holding every fan interested in the game (and then some)...in fact, most of the mu games i've seen over the last few years have had more fans
best of all...great weather and good baseball! the only thing that would make it better for me is if the monarchs were playing, rather than serving as the grounds crew
man, the su bats were really dialed in yesterday...those guys hit every mistake and lots of good pitches
The SU bats were dialed in yesterday with 17 hits, with Henry Holcomb and Neeb all getting 3 hits apiece. Jesse has been looking good all week so far, hopefully its stays this way today. My only concern is now where do we go with pitching. Our main 2 have gotten us this far, the only question is WHO is Kevin Anderson going to turn to now?
I would have to say the biggest surprise for the Hornets to this point is Brashears' lack of production. He had a great USA South Tourney and great regional last year, but has yet to get the offense started off on the right foot like he has all season long.
MWC is going to be no push over today for the Hornets, hopefully our bats keep showing up and we get a couple of good innings out of each pitcher that throws. It's going to be a great day for baseball.......GO HORNETS!!!
Shenandoah hitting is relentless... They are certainly in good position to win the south now.
SU gets a CG out of Hendrickson which was a huge boost for Hornets pitching staff.
The Hornets are swinging the bat pretty darn well with 19, 17 and 16 hits in their first three games.
The Hornets bottom-half of the line-up has been coming up big. Looks like many different players are stepping up in each game so far.
Impressive 3-0 start in the South Reg'l.
Keep represent'n the USA-South!
ohh aww, do I read maybe a couple of posts that might be close to becoming believers...One more SU... then repeat and return to the WS...hahaha
Quote from: vwgma10 on May 21, 2010, 02:54:02 PM
ohh aww, do I read maybe a couple of posts that might be close to becoming believers...One more SU... then repeat and return to the WS...hahaha
i think it's great for the conference when the 3rd place regular season team can do what su has done to this point (and did last year as the 4th place regular season team) - su is not a team without faults, but they've made up for any faults i've seen with stellar hitting across the lineup and defense that has been at times spectacular (which seems to be exactly what they did in the regional last year)
Quote from: vwgma10 on May 21, 2010, 02:54:02 PM
ohh aww, do I read maybe a couple of posts that might be close to becoming believers...One more SU... then repeat and return to the WS...hahaha
I've been critical of Shenandoah's schedule and the end-result of padding the stats by leaving starters in blowout games till the 8th inning. That critique is independent of whether one "believes" in their ability.
I can't deny those guys can hit all the way through the lineup. They hit like no other team in the USA South, and consistently.
They definitely deserve a repeat trip to Appleton.
Shenandoah is up 6-0 over Salisbury going into the bottom of the 5th.
Congratulations Shenandoah on your Regional win today!!!
Good luck in Appleton!!
Nice job Hornets!! Your fans in Winchester are smiling for you. I wish I could had been at today's game to watch you return to the Div. 3 World Series. Congratulations guys!
congrats, hornets...rep the usasac well in appleton!
Will all of the schedule banter, I thought for sure someone would bring up Shenandoah's opponent in the championship round, the Central Region rep.
I kid. Good luck, Hornets. And welcome back.
EDIT: No kidding around over in smiterland, huh? Stay serious, OK?
Congratulations to Shenandoah. There are no weak schedules in regionals so none of that matters as they purely and simply got the job done in pretty convincing style.
Double congratulations to SS Jesse Henry on getting tournament MVP. Well-deserved obviously and Jesse is one of the nicest and most respectful young men you'd ever want to meet. I suspect his wonderfully supportive family is still grinning. Way to go!!!
The Hornets got a pretty good draw game one at Appleton with Illinois Wesleyan. If I were in Anderson's shoes I would start Yocum in game 1. IWU is 27-20 and it looks like the Hornets hit much better than they do. When the Hornets get past IWU they could possibly play Johns Hopkins with Van Sickler on the mound. That could be a big game in a whole number of facets (Bragging rights, 2-0 in the WS, and for recruiting). I know that you are only suppose to take it one game at a time this point in the season. Anderson will make the right decision as he has all year long. Hokieone, you are right about Jesse Henry, he did a great job in Fayetteville leading the charge back to Appleton. Van Dusseldorp and Van Sickler have continued to do what they did all season, and I see much of the same in Wisconsin. The one with the big bat right now is Cory Nelson. Earlier on this season he had trouble hitting his hat size but here in Winchester we were not concerned and he has gotten hot at the right time.
I say this to all over the haters out there: You might not like who we play, our cupcake schedule or even how we win in certain games. The bottom line is this, we are still playing and your teams' kids are preparing for the adult softball leagues back in what ever towns they come from. It is going to take me 839 miles and 14 hours of drive time to get from Winchester to Appleton, and trust me I am going to be "HATING" every mile of it as I drive Back to Appleton for the 2nd year in a Row. We have unfinished business to take care of boys...
GO HORNETS!!
Richard,
Nice first paragraph. Classless second paragraph, speaking for all the fathers of now former players getting ready for the adult softball leagues.
Good luck to SU.
Richard,
I have some news for you. 99% of all the kids at the regional tournament will be getting ready for adult softball leagues at some point. If your kid is a senior he gets one more week, if not he gets another year or two. The Hornets are not the first South region team to make it to the series back to back and nor will they be the last. Please try to keep things in perspective. Good luck to the SU kids in Appleton. I hope they represent the south region and our brand of baseball very well.
Like I have stated in the past, I graduated from SU back when Geoff Williams and Jeremy Schutt were playing. That was the best SU had ever been in baseball until now. To be honest with you, if you look at the SU over all sports scene, we truly have nothing to brag about other than this sport. Football has won what 5 games combined over the last 4 seasons. I never stated that we were the only team to go back to back from the South I was just stating that SU caught a lot of grief for their lack of schedule and once again in a regional setting they were capable of going 4-0. I also understand that its more like 99.9% of the guys playing this coming weekend will not play professional baseball.
I can't quite figure out how Heidelberg University and Johns Hopkins are playing vs each other in the first round. Do they seed the games in Appleton like they do in regionals?
Any predictions on All Americans? Looks like the Kahn kid from Hopkins might be National Player of the Year.
Thank you Stargell.
The manner in which one plays the game is always important.
And perhaps one day (or even this summer) playing baseball (or softball) purely for the fun of it -- that's what it's all about.
For now, SU has earned their place in Appleton. I'm pretty sure they won't be scoring 35 runs in any of the games.... But good luck!
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on May 25, 2010, 09:41:05 AMI can't quite figure out how Heidelberg University and Johns Hopkins are playing vs each other in the first round. Do they seed the games in Appleton like they do in regionals?
i believe the pairings are pre-determined (ie: south vs. central, etc.)
The nice thing for Shenandoah and JHU in 2010 is that they were sent to different brackets, unlike the 2008 Regional in Danville where Salisbury, CNUn and JHU all met in a 6-team regional.
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5843.0
That link provided a trip down memory lane. I didn't follow JHU in their regional this year. Did they mow down the competition?
Quote from: vabaseball on May 25, 2010, 08:31:46 PM
That link provided a trip down memory lane. I didn't follow JHU in their regional this year. Did they mow down the competition?
It took the Blue Jays two games to beat Kean, but they won four games quite handily.
I would like to congratulate Kevin Brashears and Greg Van Sickler for making First Team All American tonight on d3baseball.com. They have worked extremely hard over the last 2 seasons and now they have some impressive hardware to show for it. The only other first team winner from school is Jeremy Schutt, so these two have put themselves in a category all over their own. SU also had a big day with All Region rankings: Anderson was named coach of the year, Van Sickler Player of the Year, with Brashears and Scallion rounding out the first team. Van Dusseldorp was named 2nd team and Jesse Henry and Yocum on honorable mention. Seems like the Hornets have some good karma right now as they are preparing to head northwest. See you in Appleton guys.
I also wanted to say congrats to Justin Franklin of Ferrum on first team All American.
Go Hornets!!
Congrats to all the south region players who made all-american. quite an accomplishment. Was anyone else surprised the cac got no all Americans?
Will Wright didnt make it? He was the cac player of the year and made the all regional tournament team. For the year he hit 471 with 82 hits, 18 2bs, 6 3bs, 6 hrs, 55 rbi, 747 slugging, and 8 sbs.
What about there being none of the three preseason all americans from Salisbury, kyle judson, mike celenza, andrew miller, making it? pretty disappointing for the cac, no all americans this year
for those who were in attendance at the south regional at methodist, i'd love to read your thoughts...there was much debate about the appropriateness of armstrong-shelley field prior to the tournament...i'd like to get an opinion from someone who doesn't look at the world through green and gold glasses (like myself)
Great work by all the players honored by both the D3baseball and ABCA all american teams. It was great to see such a variety of names. Congrats, you did an awesome job of representing the caliber of baseball that the south region has been known for.
Hey Guys,
Its been awhile since I have posted. I was wondering about Indy Ball. My son played at the Division 3 level and was all region player 3 times and an all conference player as well. He had very good college stats.....averaging a .350-.380 BA every year with alot of RBIs and 4-5 Home Runs. I know its a tough answer since you prob havent seen him play but do you think he has a shot at playing Indy ball? Whats the level like at Indy ball....does an above average college D3 Player have a chance to excel there? He is been trying to contact teams via email but they seem to invite him to tryouts....are these tryouts worth it? Hope someone knows more than me!
Thanks
The FLY
2011 South Regional ... who is hosting?
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 18, 2011, 01:41:31 PM
2011 South Regional ... who is hosting?
SOURCE: http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2011/01/07/7660/marietta-to-host-regional.html
The Regional Sites for the 2011 D-III baseball playoffsNew England Regional: Whitehouse Field (hosted by the Eastern College Athletic Conference)
New York Regional: Falcon Park (hosted by Cortland State)
Mid-Atlantic Regional: FirstEnergy Park (hosted by Kean)
South Regional: TBAMideast Regional: Don Schaly Stadium (hosted by Marietta)
Central Regional: Horenberger Field (hosted by Illinois Wesleyan)
Midwest Regional: Prucha Field (hosted by Wisc.-Whitewater)
West Regional: Walt Driggers Field (hosted by McMurry)
The eight regionals will be held May 18-22 with each regional champion advancing to the Championship round the following week in Appleton, Wis
What sites are being considered for South Reg'l host?
The NCAA has selected Rhodes College to host the South regional of the 2011 NCAA Division III Baseball Championship. The regional will be held at USA Stadium in Millington, Tenn.
This will be the first time Rhodes has hosted a regional for baseball. USA Stadium was the official training site for the United States Olympic baseball team from 1986-1996. More information on USA Stadium can be found at www.usabaseballstadium.org.
Message board for the 2011 South Regionals which will be hosted by Rhodes College.
It will be very interesting to see what the NCAA will do with the top two south region teams being 14+ hours away from Memphis. Conventional wisdom is that CNU will make the trip as the USA South champion, with Shenandoah going somewhere else. I know it's early and this is a real swag, but here's my guess of the teams so far - assuming a 6 team region - happy to be corrected by the more enlightened:
1) CNU
2) Piedmont
3) Rhodes (Would they ship Trinity TX to Memphis if there is a TX regional?)
4) Salisbury
5) Randolph-Macon
6) Methodist
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 24, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
It will be very interesting to see what the NCAA will do with the top two south region teams being 14+ hours away from Memphis. Conventional wisdom is that CNU will make the trip as the USA South champion, with Shenandoah going somewhere else. I know it's early and this is a real swag, but here's my guess of the teams so far - assuming a 6 team region - happy to be corrected by the more enlightened:
1) CNU
2) Piedmont
3) Rhodes (Would they ship Trinity TX to Memphis if there is a TX regional?)
4) Salisbury
5) Randolph-Macon
6) Methodist
i don't see rhodes getting a bid, let alone a #3 seed...and the monarchs are on the bubble without at least 2 more wins
Anyone within 500 miles of Memphis can be sent to the Rhodes regional. ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2011, 11:04:37 PM
Anyone within 500 miles of Memphis can be sent to the Rhodes regional. ;)
SLIAC champ says hi.
Copied from my post on another board...
Google maps says Joliet to Millington is 506 miles. Nowhere in Iowa appears to be close enough. Dallas, Indianapolis and Cincinnati are less than 500 miles.
Significantly, so is Demorest, GA, which shows up as precisely 500 miles from Marietta by the shortest route. Every VA or NC possibility could go to Marietta. Methodist could only go to Marietta and stay under 500 miles, if they get a berth that is.
Teams that could be in the tournament that could go to Millington would be anyone in the SLIAC, Transylvania, Rose-Hulman, Franklin, Thomas More, University of Dallas, anyone in the ASC East still playing (Mississippi College could only go to Millington and stay less than 500 miles).
That's really not many possibilities. SLIAC and Piedmont will most likely be there. Maybe 50-50 on HCAC champ or a Pool C from there, Thomas More maybe, and it seems likely that the ASC champ will go to the West unless it's Mississippi to help fill that regional.
I knew I'd get more enlightened input.
So based on what I've heard:
1) CNU
2) Piedmont
3) SLIAC Winner
4) Salisbury
5) Randolph Macon
6) Methodist/Thomas Moore
Mississippi has 16 losses and seems a stretch.
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 25, 2011, 09:05:57 AM
I knew I'd get more enlightened input.
So based on what I've heard:
1) CNU
2) Piedmont
3) SLIAC Winner
4) Salisbury
5) Randolph Macon
6) Methodist/Thomas Moore
Mississippi has 16 losses and seems a stretch.
Miss. College would have to be an automatic qualifier, yes. Methodist and/or T-M might not get a bid either. Or Salisbury. Still a lot to be decided. That's a pretty weak region if the SLIAC champ is a 3 seed.
If Franklin, Rose-Hulman or Transy wins the HCAC or someone (most likely Transy) gets a Pool C berth, or Wabash wins the NCAC, they could be headed south as well. I would go so far as to say if Transy is in, they will go to Millington. There are really only 5 teams in the HCAC that are real contenders, so this is a lot more than a minimal chance. 50-50, maybe better, plus the chance that Transy gets a Pool C berth. Any of these would be preferable distance-wise to Methodist and Salisbury. Methodist would most likely to go to Marietta if they were in. Salisbury could go to Marietta, New Jersey or Auburn.
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 25, 2011, 09:05:57 AM
I knew I'd get more enlightened input.
So based on what I've heard:
1) CNU
2) Piedmont
3) SLIAC Winner
4) Salisbury
5) Randolph Macon
6) Methodist/Thomas Moore
Mississippi has 16 losses and seems a stretch.
this looks better, but i'm not convinced that the ncaa is going to send a team which is presumably the top seed in the south (cnu) 882 miles and send the presumed #2 seed in the south (shenandoah) to a different (and closer) regional site
i also don't think that rmc would be ranked ahead of any of these teams, other than perhaps thomas more
Well you know the NCAA hiccuped (again) when only 12 of 38 teams in the South region are within 500 miles of Millington Tn.
When you factor that ineptitude with the normal NCAA efficiency...you could get all the South teams sent 800 miles packing.
Hopefully they disperse the highest rated teams so that they don't all knock each other out in the regionals.
Quote from: narch on April 25, 2011, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 25, 2011, 09:05:57 AM
I knew I'd get more enlightened input.
So based on what I've heard:
1) CNU
2) Piedmont
3) SLIAC Winner
4) Salisbury
5) Randolph Macon
6) Methodist/Thomas Moore
Mississippi has 16 losses and seems a stretch.
this looks better, but i'm not convinced that the ncaa is going to send a team which is presumably the top seed in the south (cnu) 882 miles and send the presumed #2 seed in the south (shenandoah) to a different (and closer) regional site
i also don't think that rmc would be ranked ahead of any of these teams, other than perhaps thomas more
I think they will because Shenandoah is unlikely to be a 1 seed wherever they go -- be it Marietta or New Jersey. By season's end I'm not sure they would be a 1 seed even in New York. The polls done here are not ground truth at all and Shenandoah's schedule will be scrutinized with regard to seeding. I find it less likely that the NCAA would send CNU to another regional (ESPECIALLY Marietta or New Jersey, which would be ridiculously stacked at that point) and let Shenandoah be a 1 seed in a weaker region.
I agree that putting the regional at Millington was odd, especially when they had regionals in Texas and downstate Illinois. If the region was at Augustana or Carthage, it would make slightly more sense. Did anywhere else in the South region submit a package for it though?
I imagine the South regional will be in Birmingham and/or Demorest at some point in the future. I'm not sure if Demorest has an enclosed facility or not, come to think of it. Not certain if that is a requirement, but I imagine it's certainly a preference. NCAA likes to make money.
Salisbury?????....How do they figure in the regional this year. Frostburg won the conf. tourney wouldn't they figure in the regional or are they ineligible this year. If not, UMW should be ahead of Salisbury ...they beat them twice ,knocked them out of the tourney and defeated boh CNU and Randolh -Macon and have a better record ....I think.
Quote from: nelfox on April 25, 2011, 09:51:58 PM
Salisbury?????....How do they figure in the regional this year. Frostburg won the conf. tourney wouldn't they figure in the regional or are they ineligible this year. If not, UMW should be ahead of Salisbury ...they beat them twice ,knocked them out of the tourney and defeated boh CNU and Randolh -Macon and have a better record ....I think.
frostburg is in, but they aren't a south region team, to my knowledge...also, i think most assume that they will be sent to a regional closer to them in proximity (which could be a dangerous assumption)
as for salisbury vs. mary wash...i give salisbury the edge - salisbury has a SOS ranked 98th nationally, while umw is at 184...salisbury has a higher regional winning % at .677 vs. .649 for umw and salisbury actually split the season series with umw at 2-2 (and umw was out scored 36-21 in those 4 games) - i also see some bad losses on umw's resume...2 losses to wesley, 1 to ncwc and 2 losses to york (all sub .500 teams) won't look good
this won't necessarily have anything to do with the regional tournament, but here is my guess at the regional rankings (as of today)
1. cnu
2. shenandoah
3. piedmont
4. emory
5. salisbury
6. methodist
7. maryville
8. mary washington
Yeah, I'll be very surprised if Shenandoah goes to TN...I think and hope they go to the Kean(mid-athlantic) region..if they are sent to the marietta region that would have to be classified as the toughest region with Marietta, Heidelberg and SU.
Is there any chance that they might move one of the texas teams over to Millington such as Texas-Tyler?
Quote from: mrmom on April 25, 2011, 02:22:10 PM
Well you know the NCAA hiccuped (again) when only 12 of 38 teams in the South region are within 500 miles of Millington Tn.
When you factor that ineptitude with the normal NCAA efficiency...you could get all the South teams sent 800 miles packing.
Hopefully they disperse the highest rated teams so that they don't all knock each other out in the regionals.
I'm guessing that no one else put in a legitimate bid for the regional(when NCAA announced all the regional sites the south was TBA for a decent amount of time) i hope the NCAA took into consideration the travel distances for majority of south region teams and gave the regional to Millington as a last option.
There are so many excellent venues in the southeast that would make more geographical sense and shame if they didnt but a bit in. i.e. Piedmont, emory, Washington & Lee, CNU if they got lights, and not to mention the teams that could host with the help of a minor league stadium...Salisbury, Averett, Lynchburg, Greenboro, Roanoke
The Frostburg/Salisbury/MW comment brings up a question for you veterans...when a conference is split between regions how do they consider it? Frostburg is Mid-Atlantic while Salisbury and MW are South?
Also, SU IMO would best be served to go to Auburn NY rather than New jersey. If the rankings mean anything Cortland state is the highest rated NY region team and they aren't even in top 10 so putting a strong team in that regional would just make sense.
That said, I would think the NCAA would be obliged to send all POOL A qualifiers to their respective regions or why have them in the first place. If they don't they'll look stupid for having the regional in Millington, Tn.
Quote from: mrmom on April 26, 2011, 07:46:14 AM
The Frostburg/Salisbury/MW comment brings up a question for you veterans...when a conference is split between regions how do they consider it? Frostburg is Mid-Atlantic while Salisbury and MW are South?
Also, SU IMO would best be served to go to Auburn NY rather than New jersey. If the rankings mean anything Cortland state is the highest rated NY region team and they aren't even in top 10 so putting a strong team in that regional would just make sense.
That said, I would think the NCAA would be obliged to send all POOL A qualifiers to their respective regions or why have them in the first place. If they don't they'll look stupid for having the regional in Millington, Tn.
The evaluation process is done by regions.
The seeding of the brackets is done by other factors including regional rankings, proximity, travel expenses with respect to plane flights. Various committees have tried to split conference members into separate brackets.
D3baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25 ranking has no bearing or impact on the rankings by the regional evaluation committees.
there are at least six teams which are above .600 and within 500 miles of millington, tn - i think any of these are strong candidates for this regional if they get an aq or are selected as a pool b/c candidate
http://img543.imageshack.us/i/regional.jpg/
Narch - cool graphic. Based on this, it would seem that Emory may be a stronger choice than Salisbury for the south region. Here's my latest guess:
1) CNU
2) Peidmont
3) Emory
4) Methodist/Salisbury
5) SLAIC Winner
6) Randolph-Macon
+1 Narch!
Well, we have 4 Pool B's, Transy from the HCAC and TMore from the Pres AC.
Webster from the SLIAC may show up in Millington as a Pool A.
D3 is gonna be spending a lot of money on plane flights this year.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 06:55:08 PM
Quote from: narch on April 25, 2011, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 25, 2011, 09:05:57 AM
I knew I'd get more enlightened input.
So based on what I've heard:
1) CNU
2) Piedmont
3) SLIAC Winner
4) Salisbury
5) Randolph Macon
6) Methodist/Thomas Moore
Mississippi has 16 losses and seems a stretch.
this looks better, but i'm not convinced that the ncaa is going to send a team which is presumably the top seed in the south (cnu) 882 miles and send the presumed #2 seed in the south (shenandoah) to a different (and closer) regional site
i also don't think that rmc would be ranked ahead of any of these teams, other than perhaps thomas more
I think they will because Shenandoah is unlikely to be a 1 seed wherever they go -- be it Marietta or New Jersey. By season's end I'm not sure they would be a 1 seed even in New York. The polls done here are not ground truth at all and Shenandoah's schedule will be scrutinized with regard to seeding. I find it less likely that the NCAA would send CNU to another regional (ESPECIALLY Marietta or New Jersey, which would be ridiculously stacked at that point) and let Shenandoah be a 1 seed in a weaker region.
I agree that putting the regional at Millington was odd, especially when they had regionals in Texas and downstate Illinois. If the region was at Augustana or Carthage, it would make slightly more sense. Did anywhere else in the South region submit a package for it though?
I imagine the South regional will be in Birmingham and/or Demorest at some point in the future. I'm not sure if Demorest has an enclosed facility or not, come to think of it. Not certain if that is a requirement, but I imagine it's certainly a preference. NCAA likes to make money.
Sure looks like forheaven has a connection to a higher power - Shenandoah just lost to Frostburg 2-1.
Quote from: SUball on April 25, 2011, 11:19:46 PM
Yeah, I'll be very surprised if Shenandoah goes to TN...I think and hope they go to the Kean(mid-athlantic) region..if they are sent to the marietta region that would have to be classified as the toughest region with Marietta, Heidelberg and SU.
Is there any chance that they might move one of the texas teams over to Millington such as Texas-Tyler?
If there is an upset in the ASC tournament, and Chapman gets a bid...maybe. Then you might have Trinity, ASC champ, HSU, UTT, Linfield, Redlands, Chapman and UT-Tyler could go to Millington. If that surprise ASC champ was Louisiana or Mississippi, then they might go instead.
I think if Shenandoah goes to another region that region is automatically going to look pretty tough on paper. But right now Shenandoah's only 2-4 against teams that are locks or clinched to be in the tournament (CNU, Cortland, Frostburg). Sometimes records can be deceiving. Either Marietta or New Jersey are likely to be strong regionals regardless of whether Shenandoah is there or not. Heidelberg could theoretically go to Bloomington, as could Adrian. Impossible to say whether that will happen or not.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 26, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: SUball on April 25, 2011, 11:19:46 PM
Yeah, I'll be very surprised if Shenandoah goes to TN...I think and hope they go to the Kean(mid-athlantic) region..if they are sent to the marietta region that would have to be classified as the toughest region with Marietta, Heidelberg and SU.
Is there any chance that they might move one of the texas teams over to Millington such as Texas-Tyler?
If there is an upset in the ASC tournament, and Chapman gets a bid...maybe. Then you might have Trinity, ASC champ, HSU, UTT, Linfield, Redlands, Chapman and UT-Tyler could go to Millington. If that surprise ASC champ was Louisiana or Mississippi, then they might go instead.
I think if Shenandoah goes to another region that region is automatically going to look pretty tough on paper. But right now Shenandoah's only 2-4 against teams that are locks or clinched to be in the tournament (CNU, Cortland, Frostburg). Sometimes records can be deceiving. Either Marietta or New Jersey are likely to be strong regionals regardless of whether Shenandoah is there or not. Heidelberg could theoretically go to Bloomington, as could Adrian. Impossible to say whether that will happen or not.
Majority of those teams are 500+ from millingon...
Trinity 515
HSU 649
Linfield, Redlands, Chapman 1,500 plus
On the other note, I'm a little bit concerned about SU against tough competition...however, the 2-4 record doesnt tell the whole story...in the sample you have to put in RMC, MU, Salisbury along with the three teams that you mentioned, making their record 6-4
The offense has dropped off a bit and especially against the top tier teams....In those 10 games SU batting .264, 4.8 runs per game(if u take the 12 runs they put up on cnu out it would be in the 3s) and 2.4 XBHs per game
Quote from: SUball on April 26, 2011, 10:52:40 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 26, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: SUball on April 25, 2011, 11:19:46 PM
Yeah, I'll be very surprised if Shenandoah goes to TN...I think and hope they go to the Kean(mid-athlantic) region..if they are sent to the marietta region that would have to be classified as the toughest region with Marietta, Heidelberg and SU.
Is there any chance that they might move one of the texas teams over to Millington such as Texas-Tyler?
If there is an upset in the ASC tournament, and Chapman gets a bid...maybe. Then you might have Trinity, ASC champ, HSU, UTT, Linfield, Redlands, Chapman and UT-Tyler could go to Millington. If that surprise ASC champ was Louisiana or Mississippi, then they might go instead.
I think if Shenandoah goes to another region that region is automatically going to look pretty tough on paper. But right now Shenandoah's only 2-4 against teams that are locks or clinched to be in the tournament (CNU, Cortland, Frostburg). Sometimes records can be deceiving. Either Marietta or New Jersey are likely to be strong regionals regardless of whether Shenandoah is there or not. Heidelberg could theoretically go to Bloomington, as could Adrian. Impossible to say whether that will happen or not.
Majority of those teams are 500+ from millingon...
Trinity 515
HSU 649
Linfield, Redlands, Chapman 1,500 plus
On the other note, I'm a little bit concerned about SU against tough competition...however, the 2-4 record doesnt tell the whole story...in the sample you have to put in RMC, MU, Salisbury along with the three teams that you mentioned, making their record 6-4
The offense has dropped off a bit and especially against the top tier teams....In those 10 games SU batting .264, 4.8 runs per game(if u take the 12 runs they put up on cnu out it would be in the 3s) and 2.4 XBHs per game
Why would be why I said "UT-Tyler could go to Millington" not those other teams. I'm glad you felt you needed to say that Linfield, Redlands and Chapman are more than 500 miles from Tennessee. Hardin-Simmons is in the same city as the regional, making them a damn unlikely candidate to be moved. I love when people add things I've already covered.
Methodist hasn't clinched crap. Neither has Salisbury. The South is so weak this year that I don't see being on the bottom of the regional rankings as meaning very much.
Randolph-Macon is in, and technically should have been counted, though I hardly think anyone from the ODAC was a quality win this year.
On another board, it was mentioned that Concordia IL has a dearth of quality wins, and their schedule looks fairly similar to Shenandoah's if you ask me. Shen is in a better league, but this was a really off year for the USAS from the looks of things. Whither Ferrum and NC Wesleyan?
Quote from: SUball on April 25, 2011, 11:19:46 PM
Yeah, I'll be very surprised if Shenandoah goes to TN...I think and hope they go to the Kean(mid-athlantic) region..if they are sent to the marietta region that would have to be classified as the toughest region with Marietta, Heidelberg and SU.
Is there any chance that they might move one of the texas teams over to Millington such as Texas-Tyler?
With the West Regional in Texas this year and the West Region not having a strong year, I don't see any West Region teams being shipped to other regions. In fact I believe it is possible for a Pool C team outside the West Region to be shipped to the West Region in Abilene, TX. Teams will already be flying into Abilene already from CA, and Oregon(Redlands, Linfield and possibly Chapman). UTT, HSU on the bus. IF UDallas happens to sweep Chapman you could have UDallas also on the bus to Abilene.
Linfield is over 1800 miles from Abilene Texas. Chapman over 1200 and Redlands over 1100
UDallas is a good example of how tough the ASC is.
Against a representative schedule of ASC teams (3 teams from each division, and 2 of the 6 foes making the ASC tourney), UDallas is only 9-6. They went 3-3 against ASC tourney teams, East #2 UT-Dallas and West #3 Texas Lutheran. They might have qualified for the ASC East, where there was a 3-way tie for 2nd at 11-7 with UT-Dallas, Louisiana College and Mississippi College.
SU played without 2 of its all-conference players yesterday due to finals, and Frostburg pitched their ace showing it was a big game for them! Seeing how he shut down SU I'd say he was a quality pitcher and his stats back that up......But all credit to Frostburg!
Today is senior Day at SU so I suspect alot of starters will sit in deference to seniors (as it should be). Coach A stays with his prorities and it shows that school and commitment to his seniors takes precedence over winning games.
SU will give a good account of themselves wherever they play.
Quote from: mrmom on April 27, 2011, 09:43:39 AM
SU played without 2 of its all-conference players yesterday due to finals, and Frostburg pitched their ace showing it was a big game for them! Seeing how he shut down SU I'd say he was a quality pitcher and his stats back that up......But all credit to Frostburg!
Today is senior Day at SU so I suspect alot of starters will sit in deference to seniors (as it should be). Coach A stays with his prorities and it shows that school and commitment to his seniors takes precedence over winning games.
SU will give a good account of themselves wherever they play.
Although it wasn't due to "finals," it was due to a few kids having to take tests...(Not knocking ya mrmom, just helping ya out a bit...people on here will call you out because SU's final dates are posted on their official website.)
Nevertheless, true statement from mrmom....After I checked the boxscore and noticed who was missing, I talked to one of the guys who couldn't make the trip and he informed me it was due to these tests. Unfortunate, but like i've said all along.....KA is a good guy and although he comes across as a "win at all cost" kinda guy....he values academics and producing quality student athletes.
SU will be fine when school is out of the way and it's tourney time!
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: SUball on April 26, 2011, 10:52:40 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 26, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: SUball on April 25, 2011, 11:19:46 PM
Yeah, I'll be very surprised if Shenandoah goes to TN...I think and hope they go to the Kean(mid-athlantic) region..if they are sent to the marietta region that would have to be classified as the toughest region with Marietta, Heidelberg and SU.
Is there any chance that they might move one of the texas teams over to Millington such as Texas-Tyler?
If there is an upset in the ASC tournament, and Chapman gets a bid...maybe. Then you might have Trinity, ASC champ, HSU, UTT, Linfield, Redlands, Chapman and UT-Tyler could go to Millington. If that surprise ASC champ was Louisiana or Mississippi, then they might go instead.
I think if Shenandoah goes to another region that region is automatically going to look pretty tough on paper. But right now Shenandoah's only 2-4 against teams that are locks or clinched to be in the tournament (CNU, Cortland, Frostburg). Sometimes records can be deceiving. Either Marietta or New Jersey are likely to be strong regionals regardless of whether Shenandoah is there or not. Heidelberg could theoretically go to Bloomington, as could Adrian. Impossible to say whether that will happen or not.
Majority of those teams are 500+ from millingon...
Trinity 515
HSU 649
Linfield, Redlands, Chapman 1,500 plus
On the other note, I'm a little bit concerned about SU against tough competition...however, the 2-4 record doesnt tell the whole story...in the sample you have to put in RMC, MU, Salisbury along with the three teams that you mentioned, making their record 6-4
The offense has dropped off a bit and especially against the top tier teams....In those 10 games SU batting .264, 4.8 runs per game(if u take the 12 runs they put up on cnu out it would be in the 3s) and 2.4 XBHs per game
Why would be why I said "UT-Tyler could go to Millington" not those other teams. I'm glad you felt you needed to say that Linfield, Redlands and Chapman are more than 500 miles from Tennessee. Hardin-Simmons is in the same city as the regional, making them a damn unlikely candidate to be moved. I love when people add things I've already covered.
Methodist hasn't clinched crap. Neither has Salisbury. The South is so weak this year that I don't see being on the bottom of the regional rankings as meaning very much.
Randolph-Macon is in, and technically should have been counted, though I hardly think anyone from the ODAC was a quality win this year.
On another board, it was mentioned that Concordia IL has a dearth of quality wins, and their schedule looks fairly similar to Shenandoah's if you ask me. Shen is in a better league, but this was a really off year for the USAS from the looks of things. Whither Ferrum and NC Wesleyan?
My mistake i misead ur post....easy bro...I agree Methodist and Salisbury havent secure a spot in the regions but are in the talking..so i think justifies them being used
Quote from: SUball on April 27, 2011, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: SUball on April 26, 2011, 10:52:40 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 26, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: SUball on April 25, 2011, 11:19:46 PM
Yeah, I'll be very surprised if Shenandoah goes to TN...I think and hope they go to the Kean(mid-athlantic) region..if they are sent to the marietta region that would have to be classified as the toughest region with Marietta, Heidelberg and SU.
Is there any chance that they might move one of the texas teams over to Millington such as Texas-Tyler?
If there is an upset in the ASC tournament, and Chapman gets a bid...maybe. Then you might have Trinity, ASC champ, HSU, UTT, Linfield, Redlands, Chapman and UT-Tyler could go to Millington. If that surprise ASC champ was Louisiana or Mississippi, then they might go instead.
I think if Shenandoah goes to another region that region is automatically going to look pretty tough on paper. But right now Shenandoah's only 2-4 against teams that are locks or clinched to be in the tournament (CNU, Cortland, Frostburg). Sometimes records can be deceiving. Either Marietta or New Jersey are likely to be strong regionals regardless of whether Shenandoah is there or not. Heidelberg could theoretically go to Bloomington, as could Adrian. Impossible to say whether that will happen or not.
Majority of those teams are 500+ from millingon...
Trinity 515
HSU 649
Linfield, Redlands, Chapman 1,500 plus
On the other note, I'm a little bit concerned about SU against tough competition...however, the 2-4 record doesnt tell the whole story...in the sample you have to put in RMC, MU, Salisbury along with the three teams that you mentioned, making their record 6-4
The offense has dropped off a bit and especially against the top tier teams....In those 10 games SU batting .264, 4.8 runs per game(if u take the 12 runs they put up on cnu out it would be in the 3s) and 2.4 XBHs per game
Why would be why I said "UT-Tyler could go to Millington" not those other teams. I'm glad you felt you needed to say that Linfield, Redlands and Chapman are more than 500 miles from Tennessee. Hardin-Simmons is in the same city as the regional, making them a damn unlikely candidate to be moved. I love when people add things I've already covered.
Methodist hasn't clinched crap. Neither has Salisbury. The South is so weak this year that I don't see being on the bottom of the regional rankings as meaning very much.
Randolph-Macon is in, and technically should have been counted, though I hardly think anyone from the ODAC was a quality win this year.
On another board, it was mentioned that Concordia IL has a dearth of quality wins, and their schedule looks fairly similar to Shenandoah's if you ask me. Shen is in a better league, but this was a really off year for the USAS from the looks of things. Whither Ferrum and NC Wesleyan?
My mistake i misead ur post....easy bro...I agree Methodist and Salisbury havent secure a spot in the regions but are in the talking..so i think justifies them being used
There's no winning with him SUball...give up before you start going in circles.
Quote from: SUball on April 27, 2011, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: SUball on April 26, 2011, 10:52:40 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 26, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: SUball on April 25, 2011, 11:19:46 PM
Yeah, I'll be very surprised if Shenandoah goes to TN...I think and hope they go to the Kean(mid-athlantic) region..if they are sent to the marietta region that would have to be classified as the toughest region with Marietta, Heidelberg and SU.
Is there any chance that they might move one of the texas teams over to Millington such as Texas-Tyler?
If there is an upset in the ASC tournament, and Chapman gets a bid...maybe. Then you might have Trinity, ASC champ, HSU, UTT, Linfield, Redlands, Chapman and UT-Tyler could go to Millington. If that surprise ASC champ was Louisiana or Mississippi, then they might go instead.
I think if Shenandoah goes to another region that region is automatically going to look pretty tough on paper. But right now Shenandoah's only 2-4 against teams that are locks or clinched to be in the tournament (CNU, Cortland, Frostburg). Sometimes records can be deceiving. Either Marietta or New Jersey are likely to be strong regionals regardless of whether Shenandoah is there or not. Heidelberg could theoretically go to Bloomington, as could Adrian. Impossible to say whether that will happen or not.
Majority of those teams are 500+ from millingon...
Trinity 515
HSU 649
Linfield, Redlands, Chapman 1,500 plus
On the other note, I'm a little bit concerned about SU against tough competition...however, the 2-4 record doesnt tell the whole story...in the sample you have to put in RMC, MU, Salisbury along with the three teams that you mentioned, making their record 6-4
The offense has dropped off a bit and especially against the top tier teams....In those 10 games SU batting .264, 4.8 runs per game(if u take the 12 runs they put up on cnu out it would be in the 3s) and 2.4 XBHs per game
Why would be why I said "UT-Tyler could go to Millington" not those other teams. I'm glad you felt you needed to say that Linfield, Redlands and Chapman are more than 500 miles from Tennessee. Hardin-Simmons is in the same city as the regional, making them a damn unlikely candidate to be moved. I love when people add things I've already covered.
Methodist hasn't clinched crap. Neither has Salisbury. The South is so weak this year that I don't see being on the bottom of the regional rankings as meaning very much.
Randolph-Macon is in, and technically should have been counted, though I hardly think anyone from the ODAC was a quality win this year.
On another board, it was mentioned that Concordia IL has a dearth of quality wins, and their schedule looks fairly similar to Shenandoah's if you ask me. Shen is in a better league, but this was a really off year for the USAS from the looks of things. Whither Ferrum and NC Wesleyan?
My mistake i misead ur post....easy bro...I agree Methodist and Salisbury havent secure a spot in the regions but are in the talking..so i think justifies them being used
Fair enough on the misread. Sorry to be so jumpy...some people on this board seem to be gunning for me so I'm probably a little defensive.
IIRC, there is a criteria for record against the teams in the tournament. I could be wrong about that...could be projecting that from some other sport or some other level. But that's what I was using. I don't think there's a Nitty Gritty sheet like in D-I basketball where any win over a top 100 team gets consideration.
I miss the days when almost everyone in the Dixie Conference was good. It would be a lot easier to tell more about teams like Shenandoah (and CNU and Methodist) from the conference tournament if the league had the depth it used to.
forheavendial4999...........You sure do no alot about the USA South and the ODAC for someone who hasn't seen a game all year........Im sure you get bored over there in South Korea but I dont look too far into your opinions personally.
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
forheavendial4999...........You sure do no alot about the USA South and the ODAC for someone who hasn't seen a game all year........Im sure you get bored over there in South Korea but I dont look too far into your opinions personally.
I live in the 2nd largest city in Asia and larger than any in the US. I don't lack for things to do. I'm sure it's not the thriving metropolis of Winchester, but then what is.
I haven't always lived in South Korea, you know. I've lived in several different places. It's also fortunate that baseball is a game that lends itself to being followed on paper...especially with the play by plays available through most school sites now.
It's off putting to some just how much you can glean from them if you know what you're doing, without ever having to be at the games...but you can and I often do.
As for what you decide to do with my comments...I really couldn't care less. If people enjoy, appreciate or are enriched by them, great, that's why they're there. If you don't, I really don't care but it's pretty poor form to say so.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
forheavendial4999...........You sure do no alot about the USA South and the ODAC for someone who hasn't seen a game all year........Im sure you get bored over there in South Korea but I dont look too far into your opinions personally.
I live in the 2nd largest city in Asia and larger than any in the US. I don't lack for things to do. I'm sure it's not the thriving metropolis of Winchester, but then what is.
I haven't always lived in South Korea, you know. I've lived in several different places. It's also fortunate that baseball is a game that lends itself to being followed on paper...especially with the play by plays available through most school sites now.
It's off putting to some just how much you can glean from them if you know what you're doing, without ever having to be at the games...but you can and I often do.
As for what you decide to do with my comments...I really couldn't care less. If people enjoy, appreciate or are enriched by them, great, that's why they're there. If you don't, I really don't care but it's pretty poor form to say so.
My friend, if you set there and watch each game play by play then I would have to say that you dont have too many things to do.
1.) CNU
2.) Shenandoah
3.) Piedmont
4.) Maryville
5.) Methodist
6.) Emory
7.) Rhodes
8.) Salisbury
Methodist and Maryville control their destinies. Salisbury looks to need some help. Piedmont can basically lock up their regional bid with a conference title. Emory can't do much so I think its safe to say they are out. Rhodes can maybe slide in if they can take care of Hendrix in 2 games this weekend and get some help by having Maryville go 2 and out in the GSAC and Methodist stumble in their matchup with Salisbury.
Also of note with regards to Millington being selected as a regional host site, there was not ONE South Regional institution that stepped up and offered to host the NCAA Regionals. It certainly is not ideal by any means geographically but what are you supposed to do when no one else steps up to the plate? I can assure you that the NCAA is well aware of the issues this site location causes but ultimately gave their stamp of approval on it.
One last note........Mucho Macho Man in the Kentucky Derby.
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
forheavendial4999...........You sure do no alot about the USA South and the ODAC for someone who hasn't seen a game all year........Im sure you get bored over there in South Korea but I dont look too far into your opinions personally.
I live in the 2nd largest city in Asia and larger than any in the US. I don't lack for things to do. I'm sure it's not the thriving metropolis of Winchester, but then what is.
I haven't always lived in South Korea, you know. I've lived in several different places. It's also fortunate that baseball is a game that lends itself to being followed on paper...especially with the play by plays available through most school sites now.
It's off putting to some just how much you can glean from them if you know what you're doing, without ever having to be at the games...but you can and I often do.
As for what you decide to do with my comments...I really couldn't care less. If people enjoy, appreciate or are enriched by them, great, that's why they're there. If you don't, I really don't care but it's pretty poor form to say so.
My friend, if you set there and watch each game play by play then I would have to say that you dont have too many things to do.
I do follow a decent number of games using live stats or radio, but a lot of times I'm at work too. :)
But what I was really referring to are post-game box scores that often times have the PBP attached. You can read through one of those in a few minutes. And there are a lot of games that I don't have much interest in because I know neither of the teams are going to be in the regionals.
I'm sure the options for things to do here in Seoul don't rival drinking beer in the Wal-Mart parking lot in Winchester, but I manage to make do and keep busy enough during the evening when, it should be noted, baseball is not happening back in the states. Even a noon game in the Eastern time zone is 1 a.m. here.
Quote from: Pauperboy on April 27, 2011, 11:30:02 PM
Also of note with regards to Millington being selected as a regional host site, there was not ONE South Regional institution that stepped up and offered to host the NCAA Regionals. It certainly is not ideal by any means geographically but what are you supposed to do when no one else steps up to the plate? I can assure you that the NCAA is well aware of the issues this site location causes but ultimately gave their stamp of approval on it.
This is quite instructive. Looks like a lot of lazy baseball coaches and athletic directors in the region. It is extra work to host, but one should want to do it and do a professional job. A well run regional is a treat and a memory for players. Some coaches may not have a facility available to host, but others do or can get access to a nearby one and simply don't put forth the effort to do it.
In that case, kudos to Jeff Cleanthes and Rhodes for stepping up to the plate. Millington should be a fine venue and from what I know of Rhodes they will do a good job.
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Quote from: SUball on April 27, 2011, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 12:27:34 AM
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Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 26, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
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Yeah, I'll be very surprised if Shenandoah goes to TN...I think and hope they go to the Kean(mid-athlantic) region..if they are sent to the marietta region that would have to be classified as the toughest region with Marietta, Heidelberg and SU.
Is there any chance that they might move one of the texas teams over to Millington such as Texas-Tyler?
If there is an upset in the ASC tournament, and Chapman gets a bid...maybe. Then you might have Trinity, ASC champ, HSU, UTT, Linfield, Redlands, Chapman and UT-Tyler could go to Millington. If that surprise ASC champ was Louisiana or Mississippi, then they might go instead.
I think if Shenandoah goes to another region that region is automatically going to look pretty tough on paper. But right now Shenandoah's only 2-4 against teams that are locks or clinched to be in the tournament (CNU, Cortland, Frostburg). Sometimes records can be deceiving. Either Marietta or New Jersey are likely to be strong regionals regardless of whether Shenandoah is there or not. Heidelberg could theoretically go to Bloomington, as could Adrian. Impossible to say whether that will happen or not.
Majority of those teams are 500+ from millingon...
Trinity 515
HSU 649
Linfield, Redlands, Chapman 1,500 plus
On the other note, I'm a little bit concerned about SU against tough competition...however, the 2-4 record doesnt tell the whole story...in the sample you have to put in RMC, MU, Salisbury along with the three teams that you mentioned, making their record 6-4
The offense has dropped off a bit and especially against the top tier teams....In those 10 games SU batting .264, 4.8 runs per game(if u take the 12 runs they put up on cnu out it would be in the 3s) and 2.4 XBHs per game
Why would be why I said "UT-Tyler could go to Millington" not those other teams. I'm glad you felt you needed to say that Linfield, Redlands and Chapman are more than 500 miles from Tennessee. Hardin-Simmons is in the same city as the regional, making them a damn unlikely candidate to be moved. I love when people add things I've already covered.
Methodist hasn't clinched crap. Neither has Salisbury. The South is so weak this year that I don't see being on the bottom of the regional rankings as meaning very much.
Randolph-Macon is in, and technically should have been counted, though I hardly think anyone from the ODAC was a quality win this year.
On another board, it was mentioned that Concordia IL has a dearth of quality wins, and their schedule looks fairly similar to Shenandoah's if you ask me. Shen is in a better league, but this was a really off year for the USAS from the looks of things. Whither Ferrum and NC Wesleyan?
My mistake i misead ur post....easy bro...I agree Methodist and Salisbury havent secure a spot in the regions but are in the talking..so i think justifies them being used
Fair enough on the misread. Sorry to be so jumpy...some people on this board seem to be gunning for me so I'm probably a little defensive.
IIRC, there is a criteria for record against the teams in the tournament. I could be wrong about that...could be projecting that from some other sport or some other level. But that's what I was using. I don't think there's a Nitty Gritty sheet like in D-I basketball where any win over a top 100 team gets consideration.
I miss the days when almost everyone in the Dixie Conference was good. It would be a lot easier to tell more about teams like Shenandoah (and CNU and Methodist) from the conference tournament if the league had the depth it used to.
Its alright.. im not gunning for anybody..just want to talk some d3 baseball
I agree, I think it was another down year for usa south..i can remember freshmen yr(2007) SU finished 27-15 and finished 6th in the conference and all 7 teams were at or over .500.. every weekend was a dog fight regardless of who you were playing...Watching some of the conference games this yr I just don't see the same competition level from top to bottom of the league.. some of the teams were over matched and it is hard to tell if its because teams like SU and CNU are that good or the teams that they were playing are that bad..same is true with the ODAC the couple teams that i did see did not impress me but I'll say I think the best team is going to the regionals from the ODAC
Quote from: SUball on April 28, 2011, 01:00:06 AM
I agree, I think it was another down year for usa south..i can remember freshmen yr(2007) SU finished 27-15 and finished 6th in the conference and all 7 teams were at or over .500.. every weekend was a dog fight regardless of who you were playing...Watching some of the conference games this yr I just don't see the same competition level from top to bottom of the league.. some of the teams were over matched and it is hard to tell if its because teams like SU and CNU are that good or the teams that they were playing are that bad..same is true with the ODAC the couple teams that i did see did not impress me but I'll say I think the best team is going to the regionals from the ODAC
Don't have much to add...there were times in the past that it was 6 pretty decent teams and then Greensboro :)
I think the guy to replace Naff at Ferrum isn't the guy for them, apparently, that or Abe was just better than it seemed. Never seemed like he had enough pitching to go the distance and his teams didn't seem that discliplined, but it seems in retrospect like he might have been doing better than it looked. Ferrum is not exactly the kind of place a lot of young people are likely to be hankering to go.
Wesleyan has been on a slow burn downwards since the players Coach Fox brought in left. Like frying a frog down there.
Hopefully Piedmont and LaGrange can pick the level back up because with Shenandoah leaving, it doesn't feel like a lot is left. Piedmont has a terrific looking facility (regional caliber and just a nice place to watch a ballgame) and is in a pretty area, even though it's a very small town. But it's not too too far from Atlanta and not far from Clemson either.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 11:57:31 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
forheavendial4999...........You sure do no alot about the USA South and the ODAC for someone who hasn't seen a game all year........Im sure you get bored over there in South Korea but I dont look too far into your opinions personally.
I live in the 2nd largest city in Asia and larger than any in the US. I don't lack for things to do. I'm sure it's not the thriving metropolis of Winchester, but then what is.
I haven't always lived in South Korea, you know. I've lived in several different places. It's also fortunate that baseball is a game that lends itself to being followed on paper...especially with the play by plays available through most school sites now.
It's off putting to some just how much you can glean from them if you know what you're doing, without ever having to be at the games...but you can and I often do.
As for what you decide to do with my comments...I really couldn't care less. If people enjoy, appreciate or are enriched by them, great, that's why they're there. If you don't, I really don't care but it's pretty poor form to say so.
My friend, if you set there and watch each game play by play then I would have to say that you dont have too many things to do.
I do follow a decent number of games using live stats or radio, but a lot of times I'm at work too. :)
But what I was really referring to are post-game box scores that often times have the PBP attached. You can read through one of those in a few minutes. And there are a lot of games that I don't have much interest in because I know neither of the teams are going to be in the regionals.
I'm sure the options for things to do here in Seoul don't rival drinking beer in the Wal-Mart parking lot in Winchester, but I manage to make do and keep busy enough during the evening when, it should be noted, baseball is not happening back in the states. Even a noon game in the Eastern time zone is 1 a.m. here.
I think you would be surprised if u were in Winchester this weekend...whole lot more would be going on with the Apple blossom festival where around 250,000 people are in town...probably nothing compared to Seoul but around here its a pretty big deal
Quote from: SUball on April 28, 2011, 01:26:04 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 11:57:31 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
forheavendial4999...........You sure do no alot about the USA South and the ODAC for someone who hasn't seen a game all year........Im sure you get bored over there in South Korea but I dont look too far into your opinions personally.
I live in the 2nd largest city in Asia and larger than any in the US. I don't lack for things to do. I'm sure it's not the thriving metropolis of Winchester, but then what is.
I haven't always lived in South Korea, you know. I've lived in several different places. It's also fortunate that baseball is a game that lends itself to being followed on paper...especially with the play by plays available through most school sites now.
It's off putting to some just how much you can glean from them if you know what you're doing, without ever having to be at the games...but you can and I often do.
As for what you decide to do with my comments...I really couldn't care less. If people enjoy, appreciate or are enriched by them, great, that's why they're there. If you don't, I really don't care but it's pretty poor form to say so.
My friend, if you set there and watch each game play by play then I would have to say that you dont have too many things to do.
I do follow a decent number of games using live stats or radio, but a lot of times I'm at work too. :)
But what I was really referring to are post-game box scores that often times have the PBP attached. You can read through one of those in a few minutes. And there are a lot of games that I don't have much interest in because I know neither of the teams are going to be in the regionals.
I'm sure the options for things to do here in Seoul don't rival drinking beer in the Wal-Mart parking lot in Winchester, but I manage to make do and keep busy enough during the evening when, it should be noted, baseball is not happening back in the states. Even a noon game in the Eastern time zone is 1 a.m. here.
I think you would be surprised if u were in Winchester this weekend...whole lot more would be going on with the Apple blossom festival where around 250,000 people are in town...probably nothing compared to Seoul but around here its a pretty big deal
I've seen such things. I really have nothing against Winchester, I've been there and it's actually a pretty nice town. But I do have something against the idea that Korea is somehow boring or that because I follow something I've followed for 20 years while I'm here, that I must not have much to do, especially coming from someone (not you) with connections to a place that isn't exactly hopping 24/7.
It's completely non-sensical.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 28, 2011, 01:30:33 AM
Quote from: SUball on April 28, 2011, 01:26:04 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 11:57:31 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
forheavendial4999...........You sure do no alot about the USA South and the ODAC for someone who hasn't seen a game all year........Im sure you get bored over there in South Korea but I dont look too far into your opinions personally.
I live in the 2nd largest city in Asia and larger than any in the US. I don't lack for things to do. I'm sure it's not the thriving metropolis of Winchester, but then what is.
I haven't always lived in South Korea, you know. I've lived in several different places. It's also fortunate that baseball is a game that lends itself to being followed on paper...especially with the play by plays available through most school sites now.
It's off putting to some just how much you can glean from them if you know what you're doing, without ever having to be at the games...but you can and I often do.
As for what you decide to do with my comments...I really couldn't care less. If people enjoy, appreciate or are enriched by them, great, that's why they're there. If you don't, I really don't care but it's pretty poor form to say so.
My friend, if you set there and watch each game play by play then I would have to say that you dont have too many things to do.
I do follow a decent number of games using live stats or radio, but a lot of times I'm at work too. :)
But what I was really referring to are post-game box scores that often times have the PBP attached. You can read through one of those in a few minutes. And there are a lot of games that I don't have much interest in because I know neither of the teams are going to be in the regionals.
I'm sure the options for things to do here in Seoul don't rival drinking beer in the Wal-Mart parking lot in Winchester, but I manage to make do and keep busy enough during the evening when, it should be noted, baseball is not happening back in the states. Even a noon game in the Eastern time zone is 1 a.m. here.
I think you would be surprised if u were in Winchester this weekend...whole lot more would be going on with the Apple blossom festival where around 250,000 people are in town...probably nothing compared to Seoul but around here its a pretty big deal
I've seen such things. I really have nothing against Winchester, I've been there and it's actually a pretty nice town. But I do have something against the idea that Korea is somehow boring or that because I follow something I've followed for 20 years while I'm here, that I must not have much to do, especially coming from someone (not you) with connections to a place that isn't exactly hopping 24/7.
It's completely non-sensical.
I just found it quite odd for someone so far away to know SO much about the USA South baseball and since you know SO much I figured that there wasnt much to do where you are currently living. I do know that if I was in South Korea where it is hopping 24/7 the last thing I would be doing is following play by plays. But I will say it shows you love for the game to be that far away and still keep up with it like you do.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 28, 2011, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: SUball on April 28, 2011, 01:00:06 AM
I agree, I think it was another down year for usa south..i can remember freshmen yr(2007) SU finished 27-15 and finished 6th in the conference and all 7 teams were at or over .500.. every weekend was a dog fight regardless of who you were playing...Watching some of the conference games this yr I just don't see the same competition level from top to bottom of the league.. some of the teams were over matched and it is hard to tell if its because teams like SU and CNU are that good or the teams that they were playing are that bad..same is true with the ODAC the couple teams that i did see did not impress me but I'll say I think the best team is going to the regionals from the ODAC
Don't have much to add...there were times in the past that it was 6 pretty decent teams and then Greensboro :)
I think the guy to replace Naff at Ferrum isn't the guy for them, apparently, that or Abe was just better than it seemed. Never seemed like he had enough pitching to go the distance and his teams didn't seem that discliplined, but it seems in retrospect like he might have been doing better than it looked. Ferrum is not exactly the kind of place a lot of young people are likely to be hankering to go.
Wesleyan has been on a slow burn downwards since the players Coach Fox brought in left. Like frying a frog down there.
Hopefully Piedmont and LaGrange can pick the level back up because with Shenandoah leaving, it doesn't feel like a lot is left. Piedmont has a terrific looking facility (regional caliber and just a nice place to watch a ballgame) and is in a pretty area, even though it's a very small town. But it's not too too far from Atlanta and not far from Clemson either.
Speaking about Ferrum..what happened to their field..they use to have one of the nicest fields in the usa south if not the best but after talking to the SU players after the series down there they said it was in worst condition than Bridgeforth and that is pretty hard to do. As for NCW, they aren't getting the talent they once got, their team speed doesn't even compare to what they once had. Piedmont and LaGrange are two good pick ups for the conference..Both should be able to recruit the GA area hot bed with success and get the conference back to where it used to be..too bad Shenandoah will not be apart of it.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 28, 2011, 01:30:33 AM
Quote from: SUball on April 28, 2011, 01:26:04 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 11:57:31 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 27, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 27, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
forheavendial4999...........You sure do no alot about the USA South and the ODAC for someone who hasn't seen a game all year........Im sure you get bored over there in South Korea but I dont look too far into your opinions personally.
I live in the 2nd largest city in Asia and larger than any in the US. I don't lack for things to do. I'm sure it's not the thriving metropolis of Winchester, but then what is.
I haven't always lived in South Korea, you know. I've lived in several different places. It's also fortunate that baseball is a game that lends itself to being followed on paper...especially with the play by plays available through most school sites now.
It's off putting to some just how much you can glean from them if you know what you're doing, without ever having to be at the games...but you can and I often do.
As for what you decide to do with my comments...I really couldn't care less. If people enjoy, appreciate or are enriched by them, great, that's why they're there. If you don't, I really don't care but it's pretty poor form to say so.
My friend, if you set there and watch each game play by play then I would have to say that you dont have too many things to do.
I do follow a decent number of games using live stats or radio, but a lot of times I'm at work too. :)
But what I was really referring to are post-game box scores that often times have the PBP attached. You can read through one of those in a few minutes. And there are a lot of games that I don't have much interest in because I know neither of the teams are going to be in the regionals.
I'm sure the options for things to do here in Seoul don't rival drinking beer in the Wal-Mart parking lot in Winchester, but I manage to make do and keep busy enough during the evening when, it should be noted, baseball is not happening back in the states. Even a noon game in the Eastern time zone is 1 a.m. here.
I think you would be surprised if u were in Winchester this weekend...whole lot more would be going on with the Apple blossom festival where around 250,000 people are in town...probably nothing compared to Seoul but around here its a pretty big deal
I've seen such things. I really have nothing against Winchester, I've been there and it's actually a pretty nice town. But I do have something against the idea that Korea is somehow boring or that because I follow something I've followed for 20 years while I'm here, that I must not have much to do, especially coming from someone (not you) with connections to a place that isn't exactly hopping 24/7.
It's completely non-sensical.
I didnt think that you had anything against Winchester..I was just getting a plug in for Apple Blossom :)...keep on following the game
I agree on the NCWC comment. Their team speed is not at all what is used to be. When they had Matt Smith, Chris Pecora, and Luke Wiliford (check my spelling there), they couldn't absolutely fly. If Smith got a single, in a span of 3-4 pitches it turned into a triple. They also had better qualtity arms, such as Blake Rice and Ben Moore.
Despite several teams being down in the USAS this year, I find it hard to consider it a down year for any conference when you have 2 teams in the Top 5 nationally. While I agree there aren't the major power hitters like there used to be (Brett Thomas-FC, Maloney-GC), I think the level of play between the conferences top teams is still high. While I believe the guy is a good hitter, I don't think double digit HR's from DeHaven quite strike someone like Thomas or Maloney did a while back. Those guys could flat hit any pitcher 450 feet, and I saw both do it off of Kenny Moreland.
No matter when either team ends up in regionals, CNU and SU will be in good shape to win a few games and potentially the tournament. Go Captains!
Quote from: Pauperboy on April 27, 2011, 11:30:02 PM
1.) CNU
2.) Shenandoah
3.) Piedmont
4.) Maryville
5.) Methodist
6.) Emory
7.) Rhodes
8.) Salisbury
Methodist and Maryville control their destinies. Salisbury looks to need some help. Piedmont can basically lock up their regional bid with a conference title. Emory can't do much so I think its safe to say they are out. Rhodes can maybe slide in if they can take care of Hendrix in 2 games this weekend and get some help by having Maryville go 2 and out in the GSAC and Methodist stumble in their matchup with Salisbury.
Also of note with regards to Millington being selected as a regional host site, there was not ONE South Regional institution that stepped up and offered to host the NCAA Regionals. It certainly is not ideal by any means geographically but what are you supposed to do when no one else steps up to the plate? I can assure you that the NCAA is well aware of the issues this site location causes but ultimately gave their stamp of approval on it.
One last note........Mucho Macho Man in the Kentucky Derby.
are these official regional rankings, or your best guess?
losing the rmc game really hurt mu...shenandoah jumped from 84 to 69 in SOS ranking playing frostburg and rmc
here is updated regional record information...i think i got all of the south region teams which are > .600 in region (just noticed that i left rhodes in, despite a sub .600 record...oops)
http://img580.imageshack.us/i/regional428.jpg/
looking at this, i think you could justify ranking mu 4th in the region...6 of the monarch losses came to cnu and shenandoah, who have combined for a 59-10 (.855) regional record
Quote from: narch on April 28, 2011, 01:29:34 PM
Quote from: Pauperboy on April 27, 2011, 11:30:02 PM
1.) CNU
2.) Shenandoah
3.) Piedmont
4.) Maryville
5.) Methodist
6.) Emory
7.) Rhodes
8.) Salisbury
Methodist and Maryville control their destinies. Salisbury looks to need some help. Piedmont can basically lock up their regional bid with a conference title. Emory can't do much so I think its safe to say they are out. Rhodes can maybe slide in if they can take care of Hendrix in 2 games this weekend and get some help by having Maryville go 2 and out in the GSAC and Methodist stumble in their matchup with Salisbury.
Also of note with regards to Millington being selected as a regional host site, there was not ONE South Regional institution that stepped up and offered to host the NCAA Regionals. It certainly is not ideal by any means geographically but what are you supposed to do when no one else steps up to the plate? I can assure you that the NCAA is well aware of the issues this site location causes but ultimately gave their stamp of approval on it.
One last note........Mucho Macho Man in the Kentucky Derby.
are these official regional rankings, or your best guess?
From The NCAA --
South
1 Christopher Newport 29-5 39-5
2 Shenandoah 29-5 33-5
3 Piedmont 25-11 27-13
4 Maryville (Tenn.) 21-10 24-13
5 Methodist 19-12 28-14
6 Emory 24-13 26-17
Link http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3
Well big weekend for the Monarchs this weekend. I think if they sweep they will be in.
Folks: I know this is all speculation (with the possible exception of CNU and RMC). I notice that everyone seems to be putting south region only teams in the regional forecast nowadays. I still think they may shift Shenandoah out of the region but that loss to FS sure didn't help in that regard. Here's my latest forecast -Blast away:
1) CNU
2) Piedmont
3) Salisbury
4) Methodist
5) SLAIC Winner
6) Randolph-Macon
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 28, 2011, 04:26:12 PMFrom The NCAA --
South
1 Christopher Newport 29-5 39-5
2 Shenandoah 29-5 33-5
3 Piedmont 25-11 27-13
4 Maryville (Tenn.) 21-10 24-13
5 Methodist 19-12 28-14
6 Emory 24-13 26-17
Link http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3
i was afraid the committee would be fooled by the m'ville winning percentage...with their proximity to millington, they're in if they don't go 0-2 in the gsac tourney
If Maryville gets in, what are the chanced the SLAIC Winner goes elsewhere? Them getting in does make sense if the NCAA starts pricing out travel and realizes that CNU and RMC are going to cost them a bit. Have to say, that does look like a nice South regional line-up:
1) CNU
2) Peidmont
3) Maryville
4) Salisbury
5) Methodist/Emory
6) Randoph-Macon
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 28, 2011, 09:38:40 PM
If Maryville gets in, what are the chanced the SLAIC Winner goes elsewhere? Them getting in does make sense if the NCAA starts pricing out travel and realizes that CNU and RMC are going to cost them a bit. Have to say, that does look like a nice South regional line-up:
1) CNU
2) Peidmont
3) Maryville
4) Salisbury
5) Methodist/Emory
6) Randoph-Macon
here's the thing about this...salisbury won't even be on the table unless they get into the regional rankings (which could happen if they sweep the monarchs)...if they do sweep the monarchs, then i don't see mu getting a bid
Ahhh .. Good point Narch. This is a sweep or go home weekend for the Monarchs AND the Seagulls. That would appear to make Maryville and Emory more likely.
1) CNU
2) Peidmont
3) Maryville
4) Emory
5) Methodist/Salisbury
6) Randolph-Macon
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 28, 2011, 09:38:40 PM
If Maryville gets in, what are the chanced the SLAIC Winner goes elsewhere?
I'd say darned near zero.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 29, 2011, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 28, 2011, 09:38:40 PM
If Maryville gets in, what are the chanced the SLAIC Winner goes elsewhere?
I'd say darned near zero.
Heaven makes a good point. You have sites in Millington, TN, Illinois Wesleyan and UW-Whitewater, and there may be 18 teams within 500 miles of those locations. Avoiding plane flights is a key budgetary constraint on the playoffs, so I think that the committee will be moving teams westward from the more densely "populated" areas of D-III.
There will be three brackets of 8, one bracket of 7, and four brackets of 6.
I think that the brackets of 6 go to the South, Central Midwest and West Regionals.
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 29, 2011, 07:44:33 AM
1) CNU
2) Peidmont
3) Maryville
4) Emory
5) Methodist/Salisbury
6) Randolph-Macon
the other problem i have with this is the ncaa sending the #1 seed in the south on an 800+ mile trip, while the #2 seed in the south gets a much closer trip - i think piedmont, m'ville and emory are virtual locks to be sent to millington if selected (only piedmont among these three is pretty much a lock, in my mind) - i don't know what the solution is, but i think you could see transylvania (#5 rank in the mideast) or washington U (#6 rank in the central region) slide into this regional in place of cnu if the ncaa is more concerned about cost than balancing regional strength - putting cnu or shenandoah in the mideast or mid atlantic (where they fit better geographically) makes either of those regions a complete BEAST
Narch,
I would say that CNU is a lock to go to Millington, don't see the NCAA sending tournament winners outside their region. At large bids I can see going to other regions, so get those Monarchs ready for this weekend!!!
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 29, 2011, 01:10:13 PM
Narch,
I would say that CNU is a lock to go to Millington, don't see the NCAA sending tournament winners outside their region. At large bids I can see going to other regions, so get those Monarchs ready for this weekend!!!
i'm not saying cnu won't go to millington, i'm saying that if cnu is a lock to travel 800+ miles, then i think it's fair to think that the committee would send shenandoah to millington, as well...just doesn't seem right to send the #1 ranked team (and tournament winner) on a long trip and keep the #2 ranked team (and tournament loser) closer to home...is there any historical indication that pool a winners are kept in their own region?
It is still too early to tell who will make it to the South Region. Look what happened last year. Below is the first 2010 regional ranking:
South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Shenandoah 26-7 34-8
2. Mary Washington 19-9 24-10
3. Millsaps 23-12 25-15
4. Methodist 23-10 27-11
5. LaGrange 24-16 26-17
6. York (Pennsylvania) 23-12 23-12
Here's who was actually selected to the South regional tournament in 2010:
1. Shenandoah (34-8)
2. Salisbury (27-11)
3. Mary Washington (26-12)
4. York (Pennsylvania) (28-14)
5. LaGrange (26-17)
6. Bridgewater (Virginia) (23-18-1)
Shenendoah and Salisbury made it to the regional championship.
Having said that- this is an important weekend for Salisbury and Methodist.
Quote from: narch on April 29, 2011, 01:16:49 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 29, 2011, 01:10:13 PM
Narch,
I would say that CNU is a lock to go to Millington, don't see the NCAA sending tournament winners outside their region. At large bids I can see going to other regions, so get those Monarchs ready for this weekend!!!
i'm not saying cnu won't go to millington, i'm saying that if cnu is a lock to travel 800+ miles, then i think it's fair to think that the committee would send shenandoah to millington, as well...just doesn't seem right to send the #1 ranked team (and tournament winner) on a long trip and keep the #2 ranked team (and tournament loser) closer to home...is there any historical indication that pool a winners are kept in their own region?
What are the alternatives, to ship the two best teams out of the South region? That doesn't seem very fair to any other regional, least of which the one in Marietta that almost certainly would get one of them? Whoever the default 1 seed in Millington is would be quite happy at that!
Would you give Shenandoah a 1 seed that they didn't really earn and give Christopher Newport a 2 seed (I think they would be ranked behind Marietta and Kean due to strength of schedule)?
Would you pay to travel both teams when you don't really have to?
They may very well pick the last option, but I think the most likely one is the one most have posited.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 29, 2011, 10:58:52 PM
What are the alternatives, to ship the two best teams out of the South region? That doesn't seem very fair to any other regional, least of which the one in Marietta that almost certainly would get one of them? Whoever the default 1 seed in Millington is would be quite happy at that!
Would you give Shenandoah a 1 seed that they didn't really earn and give Christopher Newport a 2 seed (I think they would be ranked behind Marietta and Kean due to strength of schedule)?
Would you pay to travel both teams when you don't really have to?
They may very well pick the last option, but I think the most likely one is the one most have posited.
[/quote]i think both will wind up in millington if cnu is in millington...and shenandoah isn't a #1 seed in any region, in my mind (unless they came to millington and cnu went elsewhere), but this is all speculation anyway...i could be 100% wrong
After reading the NCAA handbook today, I'm starting to think that neither of the two SU's (Salisbury and Shenandoah) will be heading to Millington. The handbook says that keeping teams on buses is a priority. If they are going to pay to fly CNU and RMC out - and I understand they are for CNU at least, they surely don't want to do that for 3 let alone 4 teams. I also think making two top 5 teams play each other potentially 6 times in a season, is flat out wrong.
Here's my latest guess:
1) CNU
2) Peidmont
3) Maryville
4) Emory
5) SLAIC Winner
6) Randolph-Macon
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 01, 2011, 03:19:22 PM
After reading the NCAA handbook today, I'm starting to think that neither of the two SU's (Salisbury and Shenandoah) will be heading to Millington. The handbook says that keeping teams on buses is a priority. If they are going to pay to fly CNU and RMC out - and I understand they are for CNU at least, they surely don't want to do that for 3 let alone 4 teams. I also think making two top 5 teams play each other potentially 6 times in a season, is flat out wrong.
Here's my latest guess:
1) CNU
2) Peidmont
3) Maryville
4) Emory
5) SLAIC Winner
6) Randolph-Macon
NoVa, Please consider how Maryville and Emory get their bids.
At this time, I am thinking that the 2 Pool B bids will come down to Piedmont, CWRU and Chapman.
Everyone else needs to look at the Pool C bids. I have posted my impression of the Pool C bids on the
Daily Dose (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3baseball/2011/04/28/first-2011-ncaa-regional-rankings/), but one big thing changed this weekend. McMurry eliminated UTT in 2 games in the first round of UT-Tyler. UT-Tyler Patriots seem to have lost much of their luster.
I had Maryville on the bubble, getting the 13th Pool C bid. We still have about 15 tourneys in which the upsets haven't occurred yet. UT-Tyler was the first "bubble-buster".
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 01, 2011, 03:19:22 PM
After reading the NCAA handbook today, I'm starting to think that neither of the two SU's (Salisbury and Shenandoah) will be heading to Millington. The handbook says that keeping teams on buses is a priority. If they are going to pay to fly CNU and RMC out - and I understand they are for CNU at least, they surely don't want to do that for 3 let alone 4 teams. I also think making two top 5 teams play each other potentially 6 times in a season, is flat out wrong.
Here's my latest guess:
1) CNU
2) Peidmont
3) Maryville
4) Emory
5) SLAIC Winner
6) Randolph-Macon
I don't think Emory makes it, but other than that, this makes sense.
I would watch the HCAC tournament. Your Emory replacement could come from there. Or UT-Tyler, if they are still in.
I doubt that the NCAA flies a team to the South Regional that can bus elsewhere. Unless it breaks just so and a flight is needed to fill the South (if that's even possible), I'd be surprised if CNU, Shenandoah and/or Randolph-Macon are in Millington.
My early guess is that CNU and RMC are at the Mid-Atlantic Regional and Shenandoah is at the New York Regional. The Millington Regional has the potential to be rather weak, but limiting flights probably supersedes that consideration.
Potential Millington teams that I see so far before the Pool C's start piling up:
Wabash
Piedmont
Texas-Tyler
Maryville
Emory
Washington
Isn't there precedent for that though from when they moved Linfield?
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2011, 01:30:34 AM
Isn't there precedent for that though from when they moved Linfield?
If I understand your question, the difference was Linfield had to fly somewhere, anywhere. The 2008 West Regional was in Abilene, and Linfield went to Moline instead. The 2011 teams already in from the South can bus to multiple regionals. If you can bus, chances are you're gonna bus.
Someone can correct me here, but I'm pretty sure the only flights the NCAA has granted were to teams that absolutely had to fly.
Quote from: OshDude on May 02, 2011, 02:29:24 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2011, 01:30:34 AM
Isn't there precedent for that though from when they moved Linfield?
If I understand your question, the difference was Linfield had to fly somewhere, anywhere. The 2008 West Regional was in Abilene, and Linfield went to Moline instead. The 2011 teams already in from the South can bus to multiple regionals. If you can bus, chances are you're gonna bus.
Someone can correct me here, but I'm pretty sure the only flights the NCAA has granted were to teams that absolutely had to fly.
So then no one in the West could have bussed anywhere? I guess that actually makes sense now that I think about it...
I can't imagine them sending a team to another region that would have been a 1 seed in their home region to not be a 1 seed. Though the way things are looking, Kean may not be a 1 seed over CNU anymore. But I hope the Millington regional doesn't end up too weak, and for that reason I hope they do pony up to send CNU out there.
this was on the usasac board, but i thought i'd post it here as the discussion about regional selection is more germane to this board
Quote from: focusandfire on May 02, 2011, 09:13:15 AM
Salisbury dominated the Monarchs this weekend. Salisbury's closer, Drew Baldwin, was outstanding- the Monarchs couldn't do anything with him- in game 1 he closed the game striking out two- in game 2, he came into the game in the 7th with bases loaded and 1 out- he struck out Inghram and Thigpen in the bottom of the 7th, 3 in the 8th and 1 in the 9th- he retired 8 straight. Brian Green hit two bombs in game 2. Salisbury deserves to be in the regionals.
i can't say that i disagree...they'll need to jump maryville and emory in the regional rankings (as well as mu, but i think that's a foregone conclusion) - the fact that both of those teams (emory and maryville) are pool b teams that are close to a regional site which might be difficult to fill without flights complicates the issue
comparing the three teams on merit alone, i think ssu gets the nod over the other 2:
m'ville: 22-12 (.647) vs. .548 OWP, 66 SOS rank
emory: 24-13 (.649) vs. .542 OWP, 70 SOS rank
ssu: 24-10 (.706) vs. .543 OWP, 85 SOS rank
ssu does have two big regional games left against hopkins (24-8 in region) and montclair (12-10 in region)...winning both i think would make ssu a slam dunk for a regional bid – win, lose or draw, hopkins will help ssu's OWP and montclair will help ssu's OOWP – maryville and emory both appear to be done (there is nothing more on their schedule)
Pool B watch for the South Region teams...
Chapman swept the UDallas series last weekend. They play one at home and a DH away versus Redlands this weekend.
So flood waters are apparently rising in Millington. Not to disregard the possible toll on life and property, but I wonder what the possible contingency plans might be for the regional. Not sure if the stadium is even close to the impacted area but google maps puts it on the river side of the city.
Quote from: Bmo on May 05, 2011, 11:20:59 PM
So flood waters are apparently rising in Millington. Not to disregard the possible toll on life and property, but I wonder what the possible contingency plans might be for the regional. Not sure if the stadium is even close to the impacted area but google maps puts it on the river side of the city.
Millington is definitely in a flood prone area.
The Naval base at Millington has been closed because of flooding and many residents evacuated.
I don't know how the stadium area is affected.
this is SO bogus...the south region committee should be ashamed
SOUTH
1 Christopher Newport 29-5 39-5
2 Shenandoah 30-5 34-5
3 Piedmont 29-11 31-13
4 Salisbury 24-10 25-11
5 Rhodes 23-17 24-20
6 Emory 24-13 26-17
rhodes has absolutely no merit on this list, let alone in front of emory...how can they substantiate the lynx in any way?
emory should be ahead of rhodes, and i think both mu and maryville should be, as well...
here is how the three stack up
methodist: 46 SOS rank, .576 win %, .565/.538/.556 (owp, oowp, owp+oowp)
maryville: 62 SOS rank, .647 win %, .550/.551/.550
rhodes: 77 SOS rank, .575 win %, .539/.545/.541
maryville beat rhodes head to head, as well
the ONLY thing that rhodes has vs. maryville or methodist is proximity to usa stadium...hmmmm
I'm getting kinda worried about the Millington Regional even being playable. Read an article today that says the river will crest at 48' on Wednesday and could stay at the crest level for 7 days. It also says the zip code of the stadium is going to be flooded. If this is true, I can't see how they can hold this regional when those poor folks are going to have lots more to worry about than baseball. Is there any precedent for this - has a regional had to move or worse, been cancelled and had teams dispersed to other regions?
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/may/05/forecast-of-water-damage-reduced/?partner=RSS
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 07, 2011, 11:03:06 PM
I'm getting kinda worried about the Millington Regional even being playable. Read an article today that says the river will crest at 48' on Wednesday and could stay at the crest level for 7 days. It also says the zip code of the stadium is going to be flooded. If this is true, I can't see how they can hold this regional when those poor folks are going to have lots more to worry about than baseball. Is there any precedent for this - has a regional had to move or worse, been cancelled and had teams dispersed to other regions?
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/may/05/forecast-of-water-damage-reduced/?partner=RSS
McMurry moved the Regional from Abilene to Hart Park (Chapman) in 2007 because of concerns for inclement weather.
A friend of mine is working at the Gulf South baseball tournament in Millington this week.
Forheaven: What's he saying about the conditions there? They are saying thousands may be living in tents after next week. I'm thinking hotels that aren't affected are going to swamped with these folks. It would be great if you could get your friend to post the situation or relay it through you. From what Ralph says, Rhodes could move the tourney to other fields nearby - any logical candidates?
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 08, 2011, 09:48:41 AM
Forheaven: What's he saying about the conditions there? They are saying thousands may be living in tents after next week. I'm thinking hotels that aren't affected are going to swamped with these folks. It would be great if you could get your friend to post the situation or relay it through you. From what Ralph says, Rhodes could move the tourney to other fields nearby - any logical candidates?
Good morning NoVa. Actually the NCAA moved the tourney from west Texas to southern California!
The logistics on flood and hotel/transportation/infrastructure makes me think that one would not like to spend time in that area if one could avoid it, which we have with 10 days notice.
i'm sure mu would be willing to host if they were assured a spot in the tournament :)
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 07, 2011, 11:03:06 PM
I'm getting kinda worried about the Millington Regional even being playable. Read an article today that says the river will crest at 48' on Wednesday and could stay at the crest level for 7 days. It also says the zip code of the stadium is going to be flooded. If this is true, I can't see how they can hold this regional when those poor folks are going to have lots more to worry about than baseball. Is there any precedent for this - has a regional had to move or worse, been cancelled and had teams dispersed to other regions?
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/may/05/forecast-of-water-damage-reduced/?partner=RSS
A few years back the West Regional was moved from Abilene, TX(McMurry Hosting) to Orange, CA(Chapman hosting) at the very last minute due to severe weather forecasted in Abilene, TX. I am sure the NCAA has a backup plan for who will host this. BUT they will not tell you until the last minute causing expensive changes to some people for traveling.
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 08, 2011, 09:48:41 AM
Forheaven: What's he saying about the conditions there? They are saying thousands may be living in tents after next week. I'm thinking hotels that aren't affected are going to swamped with these folks. It would be great if you could get your friend to post the situation or relay it through you. From what Ralph says, Rhodes could move the tourney to other fields nearby - any logical candidates?
There's plenty of flooding in and around the area, but they played the tournament. I would expect the regional will be played there unless the field is flooded or an emergency is declared. I expect by the time we get to regionals it won't be that much of a problem.
EDIT TO ADD: Apparently the only thing affected much right now are the routes into town from the south and west.
Quote from: narch on May 07, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
rhodes has absolutely no merit on this list, let alone in front of emory...how can they substantiate the lynx in any way?
emory should be ahead of rhodes, and i think both mu and maryville should be, as well...
here is how the three stack up
methodist: 46 SOS rank, .576 win %, .565/.538/.556 (owp, oowp, owp+oowp)
maryville: 62 SOS rank, .647 win %, .550/.551/.550
rhodes: 77 SOS rank, .575 win %, .539/.545/.541
maryville beat rhodes head to head, as well
the ONLY thing that rhodes has vs. maryville or methodist is proximity to usa stadium...hmmmm
Narch,
Are we to assume that you would like to see the NCAA dissolve each regional selection committee and have the NCAA select teams solely based on numbers with zero human input or discussion?
I included the below on a post in the National Regional rankings discussion. Maybe
you overlooked it. It shows validity to having Rhodes in the mix. I didn't even think to include MU with their 19 regional wins.
How about record vs. in-region common opponents as primary criteria? I think I got them all.
Rhodes 14-8 .636
Emory 10-6 .625
M'Ville 12-11 .521
Is there any value to how a team is playing down the stretch? I'm pretty sure LaGrange last year surged their way into the regional going 10-0 in their last 10.
Rhodes 7-4
Emory 5-6
M'Ville 3-8
Here is my .02 with regards to the Monarchs. I have them as 1-9 versus ranked South regional opponents. They were 0-6 vs. CNU and SU. 0-6. Not one win. Which combined with 1-9 shows me a team not capable of winning in a regional. But for me the biggest knock against them are the two late season losses at home vs. Salisbury. Here are two games that everyone in Monarchland had to recognize has crucial to their Pool C chances. They proceeded to go out and lose both games convincingly.
I also question their non-conference scheduling. Yes wins over Immaculata, PSU Abington, Swarthmore, Arcadia, and SUNY Purchase are great for adding to the win column but where do these help come selection time? Before you give me Keystone and Tufts, I can see through those wins....Keystone (it was their first game of the year vs. MU's 19th) and Tufts (playing their 6th game in 5 days in their 1st week of the season.) Maybe a few more games vs. out of conference South region opponents help their case.
Bottom line is that there is no clear cut #5 ranked South team. They all have their strong points and weaknesses. You could make an argument for any of them. I am a proponent of the human element involved with the selection of teams. I feel the coaches who see these teams day in and day out are capable of making better decisions than Joe the Casual Fan who may only see one side of the argument. Also, insinuating a team is ranked simply because of their proximity to a venue is short-sighted. ;)
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 10, 2011, 02:54:26 AM
Quote from: narch on May 07, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
rhodes has absolutely no merit on this list, let alone in front of emory...how can they substantiate the lynx in any way?
emory should be ahead of rhodes, and i think both mu and maryville should be, as well...
here is how the three stack up
methodist: 46 SOS rank, .576 win %, .565/.538/.556 (owp, oowp, owp+oowp)
maryville: 62 SOS rank, .647 win %, .550/.551/.550
rhodes: 77 SOS rank, .575 win %, .539/.545/.541
maryville beat rhodes head to head, as well
the ONLY thing that rhodes has vs. maryville or methodist is proximity to usa stadium...hmmmm
Narch,
Are we to assume that you would like to see the NCAA dissolve each regional selection committee and have the NCAA select teams solely based on numbers with zero human input or discussion?
I included the below on a post in the National Regional rankings discussion. Maybe
you overlooked it. It shows validity to having Rhodes in the mix. I didn't even think to include MU with their 19 regional wins.
How about record vs. in-region common opponents as primary criteria? I think I got them all.
Rhodes 14-8 .636
Emory 10-6 .625
M'Ville 12-11 .521
Is there any value to how a team is playing down the stretch? I'm pretty sure LaGrange last year surged their way into the regional going 10-0 in their last 10.
Rhodes 7-4
Emory 5-6
M'Ville 3-8
Here is my .02 with regards to the Monarchs. I have them as 1-9 versus ranked South regional opponents. They were 0-6 vs. CNU and SU. 0-6. Not one win. Which combined with 1-9 shows me a team not capable of winning in a regional. But for me the biggest knock against them are the two late season losses at home vs. Salisbury. Here are two games that everyone in Monarchland had to recognize has crucial to their Pool C chances. They proceeded to go out and lose both games convincingly.
I also question their non-conference scheduling. Yes wins over Immaculata, PSU Abington, Swarthmore, Arcadia, and SUNY Purchase are great for adding to the win column but where do these help come selection time? Before you give me Keystone and Tufts, I can see through those wins....Keystone (it was their first game of the year vs. MU's 19th) and Tufts (playing their 6th game in 5 days in their 1st week of the season.) Maybe a few more games vs. out of conference South region opponents help their case.
Bottom line is that there is no clear cut #5 ranked South team. They all have their strong points and weaknesses. You could make an argument for any of them. I am a proponent of the human element involved with the selection of teams. I feel the coaches who see these teams day in and day out are capable of making better decisions than Joe the Casual Fan who may only see one side of the argument. Also, insinuating a team is ranked simply because of their proximity to a venue is short-sighted. ;)
When teams are close in being selected past history shows the stronger SOS is the deciding factor right or wrong that is what happens most times. Also head to head or wins/losses over common opponents are factor in IMO. Being Regionally Rank never guarantees a Pool B or Pool C bid. But not being ranked almost always means you will not get a Pool B or Pool C bid.
Whenever there is controversy over regional rankings and someone wants to question the validity of those ranking you should look at who is on the south region committee. Last I checked Jeff Cleanthes (Rhodes Head Coach) is the chair of the committee. Here's a question, I wonder what Rhodes would be ranked if he wasn't the chair? My guess would not be fifth.
Pauperboy,
Obviously you want to do a comparison between MU and Rhodes. Maybe somebody has ruffled your feathers? If you don't feel MU is capable of winning a regional then I'm not sure how you feel Rhodes is capable of winning a regional. Methodist had their chances as did Rhodes.
Using the human element, Rhodes ended the season on fire, losing 3 of their last 4 games. 2 games to a Hendrix team that is one of the best in the country at 19-22. Using your logic the win over Wooster means nothing since it was Wooster's 4th game in 4 days to start the season while Rhodes was playing its 18th game. Wooster is also having a down year compared to their usually standards.
For every Immaculata, Swarthmore, and Purchase (All 3 teams over .500 BTW) I can point out MacMurray (3-33), Centre (13-23), and Sewannee (10-21). I guess MU should schedule bad south region teams to bulk up their in-region record like Rhodes.
Committee members who have a team up for consideration are not present during the discussion of their own team.
I know that. They still have a influence or friends "other coaches on the committee" to help fight for them. Its the human element as Pauperboy pointed out.
Quote from: Falcon2720 on May 10, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
I know that. They still have a influence or friends "other coaches on the committee" to help fight for them. Its the human element as Pauperboy pointed out.
I'd like to think the members have more integrity than that ;D
pauperboy - this is purely conjecture, but i think m'ville, emory and methodist could all have gone better than 7-4 in their last 11 if they had played 3 games vs. sewanee (10-21), 4 games vs. hendrix (19-22), 3 games vs. oglethorpe (18-24) and 1 vs. trinity (33-11)
if you want to compare records over the last 11 games, please also note owp in those games...mu played 9 games in their last 11 against teams at or above .500 while rhodes played 1 game vs. a team above .500...hardly an apt comparison
i'll get to your other points later :)
... and how a team is playing right now is not part of the selection criteria. They are evaluated on a whole season's body of work.
Quote from: Falcon2720 on May 10, 2011, 11:12:30 AM
Whenever there is controversy over regional rankings and someone wants to question the validity of those ranking you should look at who is on the south region committee. Last I checked Jeff Cleanthes (Rhodes Head Coach) is the chair of the committee. Here's a question, I wonder what Rhodes would be ranked if he wasn't the chair? My guess would not be fifth.
Pauperboy,
Obviously you want to do a comparison between MU and Rhodes. Maybe somebody has ruffled your feathers? If you don't feel MU is capable of winning a regional then I'm not sure how you feel Rhodes is capable of winning a regional. Methodist had their chances as did Rhodes.
Using the human element, Rhodes ended the season on fire, losing 3 of their last 4 games. 2 games to a Hendrix team that is one of the best in the country at 19-22. Using your logic the win over Wooster means nothing since it was Wooster's 4th game in 4 days to start the season while Rhodes was playing its 18th game. Wooster is also having a down year compared to their usually standards.
For every Immaculata, Swarthmore, and Purchase (All 3 teams over .500 BTW) I can point out MacMurray (3-33), Centre (13-23), and Sewannee (10-21). I guess MU should schedule bad south region teams to bulk up their in-region record like Rhodes.
Wasnt Tom Austin on the committee last year? Methodist was on the bubble and also were hosting the regional and that had to influence on whether or not they got in. I dont feel that having a coach on the committe gives you an advantage
So it appears the South Regional may be missed by the flooding. Hopefully it will miss a lot of Memphis as well. It also appears that CNU is heading that way. Given that what'd the latest thinking on the rest of the region? Don't know what the NCAA is going to do about 4 South region teams (I include RMC) that will need to fly to Millington. Assuming they may fly two teams in, here are my projections:
SOUTH
1 Christopher Newport 29-5 39-5 #1 seed in South Region tourney - air fare and all
2 Shenandoah 30-5 34-5 #Heading to another region or addl. NCAA air fare
3 Piedmont 29-11 31-13 #2 in South region tourney
4 Salisbury 24-10 25-11 Heading to another region or addl. NCAA air fare
5 Rhodes 23-17 24-20 Logical #4 if they make the South Region tourney
6 Emory 24-13 26-17 #3 in South Region Tourney
Unranked Randolph-Macon - Should be the #5 in the South Region, but will the NCAA pay to fly them?
Unranked SLAIC Champion - Logical #6 in South Region Tourney
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 10, 2011, 02:54:26 AM
Narch,
Are we to assume that you would like to see the NCAA dissolve each regional selection committee and have the NCAA select teams solely based on numbers with zero human input or discussion?
when there are clear-cut quantitative data which are supposed to be used as selection criteria, i would prefer to minimize human error...honestly, how many times do you think the committee members saw each team considered? i would rather the committee evaluate teams based on quantitative data that includes 30+ games vs. personal opinion which may be based on as few as zero games...
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 10, 2011, 02:54:26 AMI included the below on a post in the National Regional rankings discussion. Maybe you overlooked it. It shows validity to having Rhodes in the mix. I didn't even think to include MU with their 19 regional wins.
How about record vs. in-region common opponents as primary criteria? I think I got them all.
Rhodes 14-8 .636
Emory 10-6 .625
M'Ville 12-11 .521
how about we compare mu and rhodes in ALL of the primary and secondary criteria...i have (see below)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/rhodesvmu.jpg/
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 10, 2011, 02:54:26 AMHere is my .02 with regards to the Monarchs. I have them as 1-9 versus ranked South regional opponents. They were 0-6 vs. CNU and SU. 0-6. Not one win. Which combined with 1-9 shows me a team not capable of winning in a regional. But for me the biggest knock against them are the two late season losses at home vs. Salisbury. Here are two games that everyone in Monarchland had to recognize has crucial to their Pool C chances. They proceeded to go out and lose both games convincingly.
you're not going to get an argument from me here...i agree that mu spit the bit vs. ssu (and most other south region ranked teams), but i've got to say, cnu, su and ssu didn't lose many games against ANYONE this year...they were a combined 84-20 (.808) in region – there are a lot of (good) teams that might be 0-8 against those three – checking the primary and secondary criteria does confirm my suspicion that being "capable of winning in a regional" is not in the ncaa handbook for pool b/c consideration
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 10, 2011, 02:54:26 AMI also question their non-conference scheduling. Yes wins over Immaculata, PSU Abington, Swarthmore, Arcadia, and SUNY Purchase are great for adding to the win column but where do these help come selection time? Before you give me Keystone and Tufts, I can see through those wins....Keystone (it was their first game of the year vs. MU's 19th) and Tufts (playing their 6th game in 5 days in their 1st week of the season.) Maybe a few more games vs. out of conference South region opponents help their case.
hmm...tufts and keystone wins don't count? How about the fact that keystone was able to pitch their #1 vs. mu, while the monarchs started a frosh? also, mu played 33 regional games...a quick peek at most of the south region teams indicates that most played a similar number of games – keep in mind that mu had a game scheduled vs. rmc and rmc backed out of the game (despite the fact that they could have easily kept their pitching staff on a regular 5 day rotation - wednesday to monday – and didn't exactly burn up their staff in the odac tourney – 5 or 6 pitchers over 4 games)
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 10, 2011, 02:54:26 AMBottom line is that there is no clear cut #5 ranked South team. They all have their strong points and weaknesses. You could make an argument for any of them. I am a proponent of the human element involved with the selection of teams. I feel the coaches who see these teams day in and day out are capable of making better decisions than Joe the Casual Fan who may only see one side of the argument. Also, insinuating a team is ranked simply because of their proximity to a venue is short-sighted. ;)
i disagree that there isn't a clear-cut #5 seed...i think emory is clearly a better team when you look at the criteria, and i think that mu is clearly a better choice as a #6 seed (of the 14 primary and secondary criteria, mu is better than rhodes in 10, while rhodes is better than mu in 2...that's a landslide, if you ask me) – while you may think it is short-sighted to insinuate proximity as justification for ranking rhodes ahead of mu and/or emory and/or m'ville, i think it's a reasonable line of reasoning when the primary and secondary criteria don't seem to support the decision
I don't think you will see but three south region teams in Millington. I think CNU and RMC will be flown in since they are pool A qualifiers. I think the other will be Piedmont from pool B. After that I believe you will possibly see three others from either the Mideast or Central region.
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 10, 2011, 09:08:54 PM
So it appears the South Regional may be missed by the flooding. Hopefully it will miss a lot of Memphis as well. It also appears that CNU is heading that way. Given that what'd the latest thinking on the rest of the region? Don't know what the NCAA is going to do about 4 South region teams (I include RMC) that will need to fly to Millington. Assuming they may fly two teams in, here are my projections:
SOUTH
1 Christopher Newport 29-5 39-5 #1 seed in South Region tourney - air fare and all
2 Shenandoah 30-5 34-5 #Heading to another region or addl. NCAA air fare
3 Piedmont 29-11 31-13 #2 in South region tourney
4 Salisbury 24-10 25-11 Heading to another region or addl. NCAA air fare
5 Rhodes 23-17 24-20 Logical #4 if they make the South Region tourney
6 Emory 24-13 26-17 #3 in South Region Tourney
Unranked Randolph-Macon - Should be the #5 in the South Region, but will the NCAA pay to fly them?
Unranked SLAIC Champion - Logical #6 in South Region Tourney
Why would the NCAA fly teams to Millington when it doesn't have to?
This is from the 2011 Handbook:
Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the following guidelines should be followed:
• Once selected, teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographic proximity. A team may be moved to numerically balance the bracket if geographic proximity is maintained. Teams should be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity (within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained.
I don't think a team has ever flown to a regional when it could bus to others. Ever. If you find a team that fits the description, please let me know.
You may be correct that a team will fly to the South. I'm not discounting the possibility. But I find it hard to believe it will happen, especially considering the NCAA should have options to fill Millington with six teams via coach buses. It doesn't matter if a team is a Pool A from the South. That team can go anywhere it can bus.
Quote from: OshDude on May 11, 2011, 09:03:07 AM
Why would the NCAA fly teams to Millington when it doesn't have to?
This is from the 2011 Handbook:
Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the following guidelines should be followed:
• Once selected, teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographic proximity. A team may be moved to numerically balance the bracket if geographic proximity is maintained. Teams should be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity (within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained.
I don't think a team has ever flown to a regional when it could bus to others. Ever. If you find a team that fits the description, please let me know.
You may be correct that a team will fly to the South. I'm not discounting the possibility. But I find it hard to believe it will happen, especially considering the NCAA should have options to fill Millington with six teams via coach buses. It doesn't matter if a team is a Pool A from the South. That team can go anywhere it can bus.
I agree! Millington will be filled with teams that can be sent there by bus.
I am not sure I can wait until tomorrow's regional rankings come out... It's tourney time ;D
I get the whole money thing, but has a number regional seed ever been sent out of its' own region before? I just can't see them sending a number one away.
I meant #1 seed
Quote from: rolln2 on May 11, 2011, 10:01:21 AM
I get the whole money thing, but has a number regional seed ever been sent out of its' own region before? I just can't see them sending a number one away.
Quote from: rolln2 on May 11, 2011, 10:01:21 AM
I get the whole money thing, but has a number regional seed ever been sent out of its' own region before? I just can't see them sending a number one away.
In 2003, Carthage was the #1 seed in the Central and was sent to Mississippi (somehow was awarded the Central Regional that year). So, I guess they were not technically sent out of region, but for all intents and purposes there were four regionals closer than where they landed.
What you say is what leads me to believe that CNU will fly to Millington as the #1 south seed.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2011, 10:07:38 AM
Quote from: rolln2 on May 11, 2011, 10:01:21 AM
I get the whole money thing, but has a number regional seed ever been sent out of its' own region before? I just can't see them sending a number one away.
In 2003, Carthage was the #1 seed in the Central and was sent to Mississippi (somehow was awarded the Central Regional that year). So, I guess they were not technically sent out of region, but for all intents and purposes there were four regionals closer than where they landed.
Millington, from a geographic perspective, was a very poor choice for the south region location. very poor.
I find it hard to belive there were no other qualified locations more centrally located in the region than this.
Finding 6 teams from any region to fill this location will be tough. And then to send the #1 and #3 nationally ranked teams elsewhere is going to be met with some teeth gnashing not only from the CNU and Shennendoah folks but the folks in the other regions as well.
It seems like every year in some sport, at some level the NCAA makes a really dumb decision leaving the fans and participants scratching their head.
I see the south looking something like...
1. CNU A
2. Piedmont B
3. Rhodes/WashU/Emory/Texas-Tyler C
4. PrAC A
5. SLIAC A
6. Wabash A
Only one flight. The 3 seed will be weak but that's not TOO bad. I like that it will have teams from multiple regions. It wasn't an awful choice.
Quote from: narch on April 26, 2011, 01:15:51 PM
there are at least six teams which are above .600 and within 500 miles of millington, tn - i think any of these are strong candidates for this regional if they get an aq or are selected as a pool b/c candidate
http://img543.imageshack.us/i/regional.jpg/
i posted this about 2 weeks ago, but most of it still applies (m'ville dropped out of the regional rankings and won't be on the table unless they miraculously get back into the rankings)
piedmont is a lock for this regional, in my mind
wash u is .651 in region and ranked #6 in the central
emory is .649 in region and ranked #6 in the south
transy is .630 in region and ranked #5 in the mideast
thomas more is .774 and ranked #7 in the mideast
...oh, and rhodes is .575 and ranked #5 in the south, meaning they will be on the table when the committee makes decisions
unless i've missed a school (which is possible), i don't see any other regionally ranked teams that are within 500 miles of millington, tn - there may be a pool a which is not ranked and within 500 miles...i'm not sure
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 11, 2011, 11:46:28 AM
I see the south looking something like...
1. CNU A
2. Piedmont B
3. Rhodes/WashU/Emory/Texas-Tyler C
4. PrAC A
5. SLIAC A
6. Wabash A
Only one flight. The 3 seed will be weak but that's not TOO bad. I like that it will have teams from multiple regions. It wasn't an awful choice.
Wabash (already qualified) is 444 miles according to google maps, just within the limits. the only way the President's conference winner heads to Millington is if it is Thomas More from near Cincinnati, a 464 mile trip. W&J and Grove City are in that battle and will have something to say. Both of those schools are in Western PA, and would be well in excess of 700 miles to the Memphis area.
The HCAC champ, unless it is Anderson, would also be within 500 miles of Millington. Anderson is too far north.. Franlkin,Manchester, and Rose Hulman (terre Haute) are less than 500 miles.
The "worst" scenario when thinking in these terms is to have Anderson win the HCAC, and Grove City /W&J win their conference Pool A bids and force the NCAA to fly someone else to Millington.
I guess you could say it this way,
1. CNU
2. Piedmont (B)
3. Rhodes/Wash U/Emory/Texas-Tyler (C)
4. PrAC or HCAC champ
5. SLIAC Champ
6. Wabash (A)
CNU's official position is to play whomever is in the other dugout...
But, do you want to be the #1 seed, being flown to Millington with a bracket of
1) CNU
2) Thomas More
3) Webster/SLIAC Champ
4) HCAC Champ (not Anderson)
5) Piedmont Pool B/C
6) TBA
Or be sent to Rowan Kean or Marietta as a #2 or #3 seed, where you might also catch Shenandoah, again? ;)
My bad! The tourney is at Kean.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2011, 02:52:58 PM
CNU's official position is to play whomever is in the other dugout...
But, do you want to be the #1 seed, being flown to Millington with a bracket of
1) CNU
2) Thomas More
3) Webster/SLIAC Champ
4) HCAC Champ (not Anderson)
5) Piedmont Pool B/C
6) TBA
Or be sent to Rowan or Marietta as a #2 or #3 seed, where you might also catch Shenandoah, again? ;)
So are you saying that if CNU went to Rowan they would be the 2 seed? Marietta is a 50/50 chance for 1/2 but Rowan? Marietta has a lower SOS and has a better record but is ranked 1 and 2 in the polls. CNU better SOS and is 2 and 1 in the polls. So how is it they are automatic a 2 seed? SOrry I do not understand not questioning it so much as trying to understand.
Satellite photos of Memphis (http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=50549)...
April 21, 2011 and May 10, 2011
If I'm CNU, I would take the flight to Memphis. It could end up being the "easiest" path to Appleon.
I would just hope the NCAA selection committee would take some care to balance the regions if they can figure out the transportation. Sending CNU to Marietta to be with, the Co#1 team in the country, a top 10 nationally ranked Heidelberg, a top 20 rated Adrian would be MUCH more difficult.
(Of course if the south region were in somewhere north carolina, they would likely get to tangle with Shenendoah again too).
To do that, might look like this....
South Region (not in seed order, national ranking follows in parentheses)
1. CNU (South, 1/2)
2. Texas-Tyler (West, 11/16)
3. Thomas More (Mid east 24/27)
4. Piedmont (25/ORV)
MidEast
1/ Marietta (Mid East 1/2)
2. Heidelerg (Mid East 7/9)
3. Adrian (Mid East 13/18)
MNew York
1. Corltand (NY, 6/8)
2.Shenendoah (South 3/4)
Mid Atlantic
1. Kean (MA, 3/4)
2. Alvernia (Mid Atl 15/18)
3. Rowan (21/23)
IMHO - I see CNU going to Millingon and I do agree that provides them the best chance at Appleton. Marietta is hosting a really tough regional and I don't think anyone really wants to have to go there. I agree with Shenandoah going up to NY with Courtland but now I have never really understood how they (NCAA) determined regional assignments.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2011, 02:52:58 PM
CNU's official position is to play whomever is in the other dugout...
But, do you want to be the #1 seed, being flown to Millington with a bracket of
1) CNU
2) Thomas More
3) Webster/SLIAC Champ
4) HCAC Champ (not Anderson)
5) Piedmont Pool B/C
6) TBA
Or be sent to Rowan Kean or Marietta as a #2 or #3 seed, where you might also catch Shenandoah, again? ;)
My bad! The tourney is at Kean.
Webster is a solid program, but I am not sure that would deserve a #3 seed in region. They are currently unranked in the Central region.
Somebodies Flying in.
Actually had some fun mapping out the Auto qaulifiers...had to make a few guesses but really none of the guess schools were close anyway.
Notwithstanding POOL B/C teams of the 38 automatics only 4 are within 500 miles of millington Manchester In. (HCAC), crawfordsville, In. (NCAC) and SLIAC St Louis MO, and Bloomington, Il...but Bloomington (Ill wesleyan) is already a host.
Quote from: EttaFan1 on May 11, 2011, 02:30:14 PM
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 11, 2011, 11:46:28 AM
I see the south looking something like...
1. CNU A
2. Piedmont B
3. Rhodes/WashU/Emory/Texas-Tyler C
4. PrAC A
5. SLIAC A
6. Wabash A
Only one flight. The 3 seed will be weak but that's not TOO bad. I like that it will have teams from multiple regions. It wasn't an awful choice.
Wabash (already qualified) is 444 miles according to google maps, just within the limits. the only way the President's conference winner heads to Millington is if it is Thomas More from near Cincinnati, a 464 mile trip. W&J and Grove City are in that battle and will have something to say. Both of those schools are in Western PA, and would be well in excess of 700 miles to the Memphis area.
The HCAC champ, unless it is Anderson, would also be within 500 miles of Millington. Anderson is too far north.. Franlkin,Manchester, and Rose Hulman (terre Haute) are less than 500 miles.
Manchester is further north than Anderson. How are they within 500 miles?
Google maps says 471 miles when I type it in. Further west than anderson I suppose.
Quote from: EttaFan1 on May 11, 2011, 09:29:26 PM
Google maps says 471 miles when I type it in. Further west than anderson I suppose.
You must be using Manchester and not North Manchester.
TES shows 600 miles from Manchester College to Rhodes College. Millington's not 100 miles from Rhodes.
Good enough. I didn't do my research thoroughly enough. My bad.
I will clarify. Manchester or Anderson will either stay in the mid-east or be shipped to the cenral region (or mid west) should they win the HCAC. Rose Hulman or Franklin could go to Millington.
No problem, made that mistake a few weeks ago myself.
Caught it though because I knew Manchester was pretty far north.
Would be a bit ironical if former SCAC member Rose-Hulman won the HCAC and was at the Rhodes region and Rhodes and Trinity aren't.
Salisbury (South #4) won its finale to moves to 26-10, in-region.
That is a very strong number, against very representative competition.
With the drop in the regional ranking by CWRU, and a solid #3 ranking by Piedmont, I think Piedmont gets the second Pool B bid.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2011, 07:34:17 AM
Salisbury (South #4) won its finale to moves to 26-10, in-region.
That is a very strong number, against very representative competition.
With the drop in the regional ranking by CWRU, and a solid #3 ranking by Piedmont, I think Piedmont gets the second Pool B bid.
So now it looks like the south region teams to an NCAA regional will be CNU, SHEN, SAL, RMC, CATH, PIEDMONT. Although probably not to the south region tournament.
washu and transy, both within 500 miles of millington, both dropped out of the regional rankings...making air travel to millington more likely for someone
I'm now thinking CNU and RMC are flying in to the South Regional:
1 Christopher Newport 29-5 39-5 #1 seed in South Region tourney - air fare and all
2 Shenandoah 30-5 34-5 #Heading to another region
3 Piedmont 29-11 31-13 #2 in South region tourney
4 Salisbury 24-10 25-11 Heading to another region
5 Rhodes 23-17 24-20 Logical #4 if they make the South Region tourney
6 Emory 24-13 26-17 #3 in South Region Tourney
Unranked Randolph-Macon - Should be the #5 in the South Region
Unranked SLAIC Champion - Logical #6 in South Region Tourney
Quote from: narch on May 13, 2011, 02:09:47 PM
washu and transy, both within 500 miles of millington, both dropped out of the regional rankings...making air travel to millington more likely for someone
Transy failed to make the HCAC tournament, and is most likey done. Rose Hulman and Franklin are in the HCAC tourney and are within bussing distance to Millington, though. Franklin is in the championship game tomorrow, I believe.
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 13, 2011, 02:31:05 PM
I'm now thinking CNU and RMC are flying in to the South Regional:
1 Christopher Newport 29-5 39-5 #1 seed in South Region tourney - air fare and all Pool A bid
2 Shenandoah 30-5 34-5 #Heading to another region
3 Piedmont 29-11 31-13 #2 in South region tourney Pool B bid
4 Salisbury 24-10 25-11 Heading to another region Pool C bid on the bubble
5 Rhodes 23-17 24-20 Logical #4 if they make the South Region tourney
6 Emory 24-13 26-17 #3 in South Region Tourney if they make the South Region tourney
Unranked Randolph-Macon - Should be the #5 in the South Region
Unranked SLAIC Champion - Logical #6 in South Region Tourney
I think Salisbury gets the pool c bid and is sent to the Mid-Atlantic.
i want to preface my comments with this...i don't think mu should get a regional bid and i'm not sure that emory or rhodes will, either, but the fact of the matter is that emory and rhodes will at least be in the discussion, while mu and maryville will not...there may be other regions where this is problematic (i think i read that the central was a little "interesting", as well) and other teams that think they are deserving (mary washington?), but i'm focusing on the teams i feel most deserving and the region i am most familiar with - i don't want to beat a dead horse, but i can't comprehend how/why rhodes was ranked in the first place, and continues to be ranked - i've done some pretty comprehensive research including methodist, maryville, emory and rhodes...4 teams for 2 spots...and i simply can't see how the committee justifies rhodes as a regionally ranked team, let alone the #5 team in the region
here is my spreadsheet, and here is an overview of each of the 4 teams as measured by the primary and secondary criteria - take a look, and feel free to shoot holes in my research
https://spreadsheets1.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en&key=0Answ6eNPeBYddGR6R2J1ck5XOUMwWG1lVkpYTzJIX0E&hl=en&gid=7
ultimately, who does the committee answer to? how can they simply overlook the criteria that the ncaa has established?
Quote from: focusandfire on May 13, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
I think Salisbury gets the pool c bid and is sent to the Mid-Atlantic.
if salisbury doesn't get a bid, something is REALLY wrong with the system...+.700 regional winning % and a top 60 ncaa sos ranking...should be a virtual lock, in my mind
Any chance the south region tournament will be moved to a better location - one that is closer to the south region schools and is away from the flooding.
Well the tournaments are all but done. It looks like the south region will probably only have three teams from the south actually play in the south. I think we will see CNU, Piedmont, Randolph-Macon, Webster,Thomas More, and Wabash.
Quote from: rolln2 on May 15, 2011, 08:01:10 PM
Well the tournaments are all but done. It looks like the south region will probably only have three teams from the south actually play in the south. I think we will see CNU, Piedmont, Randolph-Macon, Webster,Thomas More, and Wabash.
I also forgot maybe Franklin if not Wabash.
Quote from: narch on May 13, 2011, 11:56:45 PM
i want to preface my comments with this...i don't think mu should get a regional bid and i'm not sure that emory or rhodes will, either, but the fact of the matter is that emory and rhodes will at least be in the discussion, while mu and maryville will not...there may be other regions where this is problematic (i think i read that the central was a little "interesting", as well) and other teams that think they are deserving (mary washington?), but i'm focusing on the teams i feel most deserving and the region i am most familiar with - i don't want to beat a dead horse, but i can't comprehend how/why rhodes was ranked in the first place, and continues to be ranked - i've done some pretty comprehensive research including methodist, maryville, emory and rhodes...4 teams for 2 spots...and i simply can't see how the committee justifies rhodes as a regionally ranked team, let alone the #5 team in the region
here is my spreadsheet, and here is an overview of each of the 4 teams as measured by the primary and secondary criteria - take a look, and feel free to shoot holes in my research
https://spreadsheets1.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en&key=0Answ6eNPeBYddGR6R2J1ck5XOUMwWG1lVkpYTzJIX0E&hl=en&gid=7
ultimately, who does the committee answer to? how can they simply overlook the criteria that the ncaa has established?
Rhodes didn't get in because of this spreadsheet done by narch. They were in until color was added to presentation.
If it wasn't for the color, then Rhodes would have been in.
Nice job Narch.
You have more power than Coach Cleanthes in the south committee.
Hope you sleep well at night.
With the NCAA waiting so long to get the bids out I have a feeling we are going to see some wacky regionals.
Quote from: rolln2 on May 16, 2011, 08:00:04 AM
With the NCAA waiting so long to get the bids out I have a feeling we are going to see some wacky regionals.
Seems as though all of the teams have been notified. It's a matter of releasing it to the public. Kean posted its regional long ago.
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 10, 2011, 09:08:54 PM
So it appears the South Regional may be missed by the flooding. Hopefully it will miss a lot of Memphis as well. It also appears that CNU is heading that way. Given that what'd the latest thinking on the rest of the region? Don't know what the NCAA is going to do about 4 South region teams (I include RMC) that will need to fly to Millington. Assuming they may fly two teams in, here are my projections:
SOUTH
1 Christopher Newport 29-5 39-5 #1 seed in South Region tourney - air fare and all
2 Shenandoah 30-5 34-5 #Heading to another region or addl. NCAA air fare
3 Piedmont 29-11 31-13 #2 in South region tourney
4 Salisbury 24-10 25-11 Heading to another region or addl. NCAA air fare
5 Rhodes 23-17 24-20 Logical #4 if they make the South Region tourney
6 Emory 24-13 26-17 #3 in South Region Tourney
Unranked Randolph-Macon - Should be the #5 in the South Region, but will the NCAA pay to fly them?
Unranked SLAIC Champion - Logical #6 in South Region Tourney
I take back everything. You were very correct. Unreal that the NCAA did something close to this. You have karma coming from me for a while.
So I guess the NCAA must be flush with cash cause it looks like they are now flying 3 teams to Millington. And CNU and SU may get to play each other a 5th or 6th time in a season. I can never figure out their thinking. They have definitely made the South the region of death again this year.
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on May 16, 2011, 08:35:28 AM
So I guess the NCAA must be flush with cash cause it looks like they are now flying 3 teams to Millington. And CNU and SU may get to play each other a 5th or 6th time in a season. I can never figure out their thinking. They have definitely made the South the region of death again this year.
I think the MIDWEST was the region of death last year:
2010 Midwest Regional.Stevens Point
Whitewater
St. Thomas
St. Scholastica
Carthage
Aurora
Looks like a good tough south region. Got to say I did not see the three flights coming. The region definitely has some particpants that will be very familiar w/ each other. Outside of Webster, and Wabash. The other four have all played each other, w/ CNU I believe having played Shen, Sal, and Pied this year. Should be fun especially if USA South rivals CNU/SHEN face off again for the 5th or 6th time.
While at Carthage, we once played North Central seven times in one season and none of them were in the NCAA post-season. 4 conference games, and three time in the CCIW tourney. They beat us five times that season and we only had a total of 8 losses. Sometimes a team just has your number.
Quote from: donotknowscac on May 16, 2011, 07:08:19 AMRhodes didn't get in because of this spreadsheet done by narch. They were in until color was added to presentation.
If it wasn't for the color, then Rhodes would have been in.
Nice job Narch.
You have more power than Coach Cleanthes in the south committee.
Hope you sleep well at night.
i normally sleep well...unless for some reason i don't – your concern for my sleep is commendable...there are a number of national medical studies which show that a good night's sleep is one of the most important components of a healthy lifestyle...you must have read the same studies i did! most of the time, complete strangers on a message board don't care so much about the health and well-being of those they are "posting" with...you are truly an incredible individual to be so concerned! i'll be sure to include you on my list of nice people and give you a karma point
to the broader point of your post, i think rhodes didn't get a bid because they were clearly not deserving...there were much better teams than rhodes left out of the tournament, including at least a couple from the south region
rhodes being ranked does bring up a question in my mind...did the committee do its membership schools a disservice by deviating from the ncaa criteria? i am not as intimately familiar with some of the other pool b/c choices nationally, but i think it's fair to say that maryville, for instance, with a 61st ranked sos, .647 rwp and 4 wins vs. regionally ranked opponents would have given the national committee more to consider than rhodes, with an 88th sos rank, .575 rwp and 1 win vs. regionally ranked opponents – i imagine rhodes was an easy choice to take off the table...and by default, emory came off the table, too, as they were ranked below rhodes – essentially, the south committee made it very easy for the national committee to dismiss two south region teams
would m'ville have recv'd a bid? probably not...but they never got the opportunity to find out because the south region committee flaunted the primary and secondary criteria and they were never considered – i, personally, think that this is problematic, and i don't think i need to color-code that :)
I still wonder what the NCAA is thinking w/ DIII baseball other than convenience usually. In several regions you have nationally ranked top ten teams playing each other in regionals. That is what I like more about DI. They separate the top teams throughout the regions in the hopes of the best teams making it to the championship round. Unlike DIII where top five teams are playing each other in a regional when they could possibly meet in a championship. I think this limits the best teams from getting to the finals.
Rolln2 - Could not have said it better. If D3 wants to get a World Series worthy of wider press coverage, they should make the effort to get the best 8 teams there. If they are flying 3 teams to the South Region, they may as well use the airfare to spread them around the country.
Please tell me if I am wrong about this, but it looks like the South Region games will have live stats and video for the duration of the tournament in Millington. I clicked on the video feed to see which video player would be used on my computer. It's going to cost $7.99 a game to watch or $9.99 for the month of watching games. Does anyone else think this is nuts?? Maybe I am just looking at this wrong.....
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on May 17, 2011, 11:12:24 AM
Please tell me if I am wrong about this, but it looks like the South Region games will have live stats and video for the duration of the tournament in Millington. I clicked on the video feed to see which video player would be used on my computer. It's going to cost $7.99 a game to watch or $9.99 for the month of watching games. Does anyone else think this is nuts?? Maybe I am just looking at this wrong.....
Welcome to a capitalist society ;)
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on May 17, 2011, 11:12:24 AM
Please tell me if I am wrong about this, but it looks like the South Region games will have live stats and video for the duration of the tournament in Millington. I clicked on the video feed to see which video player would be used on my computer. It's going to cost $7.99 a game to watch or $9.99 for the month of watching games. Does anyone else think this is nuts?? Maybe I am just looking at this wrong.....
Tell me why they should not charge you ? The equipment and people and services are not free.
Crash:
I think you and I are on the same page most of the time. I would dearly pay for a good video cast. However, too often you end up paying for an unmanned camera with audio limited to background noise. When this has happend to me; I go nuts. ;D
Millington is set up for a good video cast. The press box has very good high-speed internet, a high vantage point and clear site lines. Let's hope they take advantage of it and produce a quality video cast.
if the video broadcast is high quality (sound and video quality), it's worth $9.99 for sure ($7.99/game is for suckers...each team will play at least 2 games)...if not, then, well it's not - if you've got a playstation or some other streaming player or internet enabled tv, you can watch it on the big screen...probably won't be hd quality, though
here are my thoughts on the regional:
cnu - i like their pitching depth and offensive balance...i think they've got the best shot to win in millington
su - i like their experience and they've got a couple of studs who have been on the big stage...i'd rank them 2a
ssu - they had to play their backsides off just to ensure a spot in the tourney, so they're hot - i'd rank them 2b
piedmont - GREAT coaching, solid pitching and an offense that will manufacture runs - i give them an outside shot of winning the regional
rmc and wabash - each is likely to be 2 and done
Quote from: ILVBB on May 17, 2011, 01:40:21 PM
Crash:
I think you and I are on the same page most of the time. I would dearly pay for a good video cast. However, too often you end up paying for an unmanned camera with audio limited to background noise. When this has happend to me; I go nuts. ;D
Millington is set up for a good video cast. The press box has very good high-speed internet, a high vantage point and clear site lines. Let's hope they take advantage of it and produce a quality video cast.
The CNU/SU weekend set earlier this year had both games on live video. There were 3 cameras each manned + live audio broadcast. At the USA South tournament had 1 camera manned with live audio and nothing was charged. I was just taken back to see what it was going to cost for us to watch the games. If the quality of the video and audio is good then it will be well worth it.
To me CNU has to be the favorite by far. SU has been on this stage twice now, but I am not sure if they have the horses at every position to beat CNU. Right not SSU is playing good enough to get in the dance and I would not put it passed them to make a run at this, looks like Piedmont could be the sleeper for the USA South teams.....Should be good baseball for 4 days, looks like the weather will cooperate....
Quote from: narch on May 17, 2011, 02:04:28 PM
if the video broadcast is high quality (sound and video quality), it's worth $9.99 for sure ($7.99/game is for suckers...each team will play at least 2 games)...if not, then, well it's not - if you've got a playstation or some other streaming player or internet enabled tv, you can watch it on the big screen...probably won't be hd quality, though
here are my thoughts on the regional:
cnu - i like their pitching depth and offensive balance...i think they've got the best shot to win in millington
su - i like their experience and they've got a couple of studs who have been on the big stage...i'd rank them 2a
ssu - they had to play their backsides off just to ensure a spot in the tourney, so they're hot - i'd rank them 2b
piedmont - GREAT coaching, solid pitching and an offense that will manufacture runs - i give them an outside shot of winning the regional
rmc and wabash - each is likely to be 2 and done
Who is RMC? I believe Webster is the only team not mentioned here. If you meant to put Webster, then your prediction would be impossible because Wabash and Webster will play each other if they both lose their openers.
You'll have to forgive Narch. Unless it deals with numbers, percentages, isn't highlighted or color coded he has some difficulty comprehending it.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 17, 2011, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on May 17, 2011, 11:12:24 AM
Please tell me if I am wrong about this, but it looks like the South Region games will have live stats and video for the duration of the tournament in Millington. I clicked on the video feed to see which video player would be used on my computer. It's going to cost $7.99 a game to watch or $9.99 for the month of watching games. Does anyone else think this is nuts?? Maybe I am just looking at this wrong.....
Tell me why they should not charge you ? The equipment and people and services are not free.
I think that it is ridiculous that they are charging people to watch a Division 3 Regional unless the Video is legitimate which if its anything like any other games I have watched it isnt. And for them to charge 7.99 a game
? or 9.99 a month? Come on. Nobody is going to use this for a month. You will watch it for the 3 to 4 days that this tournament goes on. I think they have taken into consideration that this years tourny is far away for 4 of the teams and assume that fans wont be able to make the trip so they are taking advantage of us. Who gets the money? I havent looked at it yet
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 17, 2011, 05:03:16 PM
Who is RMC? I believe Webster is the only team not mentioned here. If you meant to put Webster, then your prediction would be impossible because Wabash and Webster will play each other if they both lose their openers.
rmc is randolph macon college, a south region team from the odac which many have talked about being in this region for the last few weeks...obviously, they aren't in this regional, though :) thanks for keeping me straight - i meant webster, but hadn't looked at the second round match-ups yet to see that regardless of who the 5 and 6 seeds are, they won't be done in 2 games - either way, i don't think that either of these teams will be around long and i don't think either will present much of a challenge to win this regional tournament
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 17, 2011, 07:43:55 PMYou'll have to forgive Narch. Unless it deals with numbers, percentages, isn't highlighted or color coded he has some difficulty comprehending it.
pauperboy - it seems to me that this is a bit personal to you - i'm sure you're the dad of a senior player at rhodes who desperately wants to see his boy to play another game, but if you really think that my color coded charts have anything to do with a 24-20 team being left out of the ncaa tournament...let's just say that the apple fell a long way from the tree
Webster appears to have a very solid ace. Wabash appears to um...not.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 18, 2011, 01:46:27 AM
Webster appears to have a very solid ace. Wabash appears to um...not.
Webster could be a little sneaky in this region... and maybe do alittle damage to some teams in the process, but I do not see them getting through it.
Live video is going to be free for the tournament.
"NCAA tournament games are free to view. Simply register, then watch."
http://www.collegetvticket.com/
Webster does have a history of pulling major upsets in the NCAA regionals and they seem to be underseeded (should be at least the #5 seed in my opinion). I think this Webster-CNU game may be a little more interesting that many people think. I guess we'll find out in about 30 minutes!
Wow Webster has 177 stolen bases on the year...that's mind boggling...
I'll give their coach credit...eith he just pitched his ace because or he knew CNU struggless against LH pitching. Either way right now CNU no match!!!!!!!!
cnu getting no-hit through 4.1...can't say i saw that coming!
Quote from: mrmom on May 18, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
Wow Webster has 177 stolen bases on the year...that's mind boggling...
I'll give their coach credit...eith he just pitched his ace because or he knew CNU struggless against LH pitching. Either way right now CNU no match!!!!!!!!
He went with their ace or at least their best pitcher statistical...1.98 era 68.1 innings 77k's and opponent's batting .195 thats pretty impressive
Definitely couldn't have predicted this.......although I did say earlier that we might be surprised.
Quote from: vabaseball on May 18, 2011, 12:32:55 PM
Live video is going to be free for the tournament.
"NCAA tournament games are free to view. Simply register, then watch."
http://www.collegetvticket.com/
+1 Thanks
The Webster kid must have some pretty nasty stuff...no hit/PG'd thru 6 (if the live stats are correct)...WOW
As soon as I say something, the ever so elusive first hit has been found. haha
So much for the early exit from Webster...CNU may be 2 and done if they don't get the bats rolling. Didn't expect this
Way to go Bossman........Everyone knows its in the unwritten rulebook of baseball to never bring that up....the baseball gods were reading the boards today haha
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 18, 2011, 03:20:30 PM
Way to go Bossman........Everyone knows its in the unwritten rulebook of baseball to never bring that up....the baseball gods were reading the boards today haha
Haha, I was thinking that as I was typing it...but I knew CNU was far too outta it at that point to come back...What's a hit when it's 7-0 in the 7th?? haha
"and the show goes on..." Maybe without the #1 after tmw ;)
It is almost a "smite-able" offense to talk about a no-hitter on the message boards!
Let this be your only warning! :D ;D ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2011, 03:28:38 PM
It is almost a "smite-able" offense to talk about a no-hitter on the message boards!
Let this be your only warning! :D ;D ;)
Haha, I know...Although I dislike CNU...maybe I just didn't wanna see a fellow USAS team get shown up toooo bad on the national stage...thats why I did it 8-) haha...see I was looking out for the ole Capt's!!
+1 for making me laugh this afternoon
Webster sure didn't look like a 6 seed today...note to other teams you better keep websters runners off base or it could be a long day.
Like I said before, Webster has a history of NCAA Regional upsets. They have been there 4 of the past 5 years and have knocked off the higher seed in their opener every time.
Everyone has an off day, CNU just picked the wrong time to have it. I'm going to blame the extremely long layoff between games (ask the Buckeyes how that works out in Bowl Games). Either way, CNU lost and is now facing elimination the rest of the way through. However, it can happen, as John Hopkins a few years back is a prime example.
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 18, 2011, 04:54:13 PM
Everyone has an off day, CNU just picked the wrong time to have it. I'm going to blame the extremely long layoff between games (ask the Buckeyes how that works out in Bowl Games). Either way, CNU lost and is now facing elimination the rest of the way through. However, it can happen, as John Hopkins a few years back is a prime example.
That's a helluva off day, losing 11-1. I'd blame it on a combination of a little rust from the layoff, poor mental preparation to face a "perceived" inferior #6 seed, and a ballsy pitching performance from a Webster freshman.
SU avoids the upset bug, in a much closer game than the 4-0 final tally indicates...nothing flashy about today's performance but they get the job done. Van Sickler improves to 11-1 on the year for the Hornets. Neeb goes 4-4 to pace the rather sluggish bats for SU. ;D
I was only able to follow over the net. It appeared that Swart had a good game overall, but got into some trouble due to mistakes in the field. Is that how those who actually saw the game viewed it?
I wouldnt say he got into trouble because of plays in the field. He threw well, and they had 3 errors with him making one of them. The big "game changer" was when SU has 2nd and 3rd one out with their 9 hole up and instead of it being an 0-2 count there was a catcher interference call. After that He hit the next guy to walk in a run. He then gave up a double to Van STUDler. He threw a good game but I wouldnt blame the loss on the defense behind him.
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 18, 2011, 04:54:13 PM
Everyone has an off day, CNU just picked the wrong time to have it. I'm going to blame the extremely long layoff between games (ask the Buckeyes how that works out in Bowl Games). Either way, CNU lost and is now facing elimination the rest of the way through. However, it can happen, as John Hopkins a few years back is a prime example.
PNeal, I will agree that the long layoff is to a disadvantage, I used to hate that. How long of a layoff did Webster have? I can see CNU getting back to the championship but I dont see them winning it. Today reminded me of NCWC in 09 when they won the Conference Tourny and then came out flat in the regional.
Yeah Wally...Back2Back's analysis of the late inning trouble is pretty accurate. The catcher inter. was huge, then the HBP, and Van Sickler had a great AB (falling behind 0-2 on 2 pitches....worked a full count and proceeds to rip a double down passed the 3bagger as the runners were in motion on the pitch)...Wabash's pitcher threw extremely well though, well enough to win in my opinion...just didnt come up with the timely hits with runners on. Good all around game.
Anyone know when the All Region teams come out? I'm thinking that the USAS should have a few representatives and possible Player of the Year
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 18, 2011, 04:54:13 PM
Everyone has an off day, CNU just picked the wrong time to have it. I'm going to blame the extremely long layoff between games (ask the Buckeyes how that works out in Bowl Games). Either way, CNU lost and is now facing elimination the rest of the way through. However, it can happen, as John Hopkins a few years back is a prime example.
Wednesday's game was the first for CNU since April 23, but "I'm definitely not going to use that as an excuse," Harvell said. "I felt like with the practices we had that we were prepared. We just came up against a team today that wanted it more than us."
Quote from: bossman on May 18, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
SU avoids the upset bug, in a much closer game than the 4-0 final tally indicates...nothing flashy about today's performance but they get the job done. Van Sickler improves to 11-1 on the year for the Hornets. Neeb goes 4-4 to pace the rather sluggish bats for SU. ;D
Neeb is a stud catcher!
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 18, 2011, 07:35:52 PM
I wouldnt say he got into trouble because of plays in the field. He threw well, and they had 3 errors with him making one of them. The big "game changer" was when SU has 2nd and 3rd one out with their 9 hole up and instead of it being an 0-2 count there was a catcher interference call. After that He hit the next guy to walk in a run. He then gave up a double to Van STUDler. He threw a good game but I wouldnt blame the loss on the defense behind him.
Thanks!
Quote from: D-BAT on May 19, 2011, 07:07:41 AM
Quote from: bossman on May 18, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
SU avoids the upset bug, in a much closer game than the 4-0 final tally indicates...nothing flashy about today's performance but they get the job done. Van Sickler improves to 11-1 on the year for the Hornets. Neeb goes 4-4 to pace the rather sluggish bats for SU. ;D
Neeb is a stud catcher!
That he is...We were sitting in my basement last weekend and he said he was going to have a big regional...Good start i'd say! Hope the guys can keep it rolling today against a pretty good looking Piedmont team from what I saw online yesterday...
I don't want to hear ANYTHING about a "lay off". Does it suck to go through that? Hell Yes, but Shenandoah did it in 09 and 10 and obviously had ZERO problems with it. I know both years they had roughly a 3 week lay off each time and came out and swept the Region both times. It's ok to say that Webster's pitcher was just on yesterday and CNU could do nothing about it. Best of luck to the Captains the rest of the way, for I would love to see an SU/CNU championship.
CNU is down early again and their bats still look lifeless.
Holy Cow! Wabash up 5-0!
How do you score from third on a bunt to the pitcher?
As we SU fans said earlier this year...everyone has a lil slump/off week. SU simply had there's during the Conf Tourney. Appears CNU picked the wrong time to not show up...they look sluggish.
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 19, 2011, 02:21:41 PM
Holy Cow! Wabash up 5-0!
How do you score from third on a bunt to the pitcher?
Bunt was fielded by the 3bagger, he looked to go home, hesitated and had no play...safe everywhere
Error on Sidearm Stats - they said the pitcher fielded the bunt.
7-0....looks like I picked the right inning to make a "look in."
Now 8-0 at the end of four.....back to work!
If I were in the CNU dugout, I'd be beating those bats against the wall to wake them up. 3 outs to go in your season fellas.
Here's a new topic, how terrible is this video announcer from Rhodes? He needs a color commentator to help him out.
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 19, 2011, 03:22:49 PM
Here's a new topic, how terrible is this video announcer from Rhodes? He needs a color commentator to help him out.
Who cares....CNU's season is almost over 8-) ;D :D
Not really surprising to me that Wabash is on the brink of defeating CNU. The NCAC is stronger than many on this site care to believe. The NCAC had a winning record this season against the highly touted OAC. Also, I read on here that CNU had a 25 day layoff from the conference tourney to the regional. Last year Woo scored 42 runs in the NCAC tourney and then had 18 days until the ME regional. We were flat and listless and out in two. It happens!!!!
Quote from: macdade77 on May 19, 2011, 03:33:00 PM
Not really surprising to me that Wabash is on the brink of defeating CNU. The NCAC is stronger than many on this site care to believe. The NCAC had a winning record this season against the highly touted OAC. Also, I read on here that CNU had a 25 day layoff from the conference tourney to the regional. Last year Woo scored 42 runs in the NCAC tourney and then had 18 days until the ME regional. We were flat and listless and out in two. It happens!!!!
Shenandoah's dealt with the same exact layoff the last two years...didnt seem to hurt them the previous two seasons...
Your exactly right, and I LOVE IT!!!!! All you CNU fans who talk smack all year, when it comes time to play baseball, your Captains NEVER show up. We took care of you in 09 in Salisbury, you were DEMORALIZED last year by us, and yes, you did get the best of us in conf tourny this year, but you can have your USA South championship cause this CNU team will be talked about as the biggest disappointment of the South Region, and all other Regions for a longggggggg time. Congrats on your conf championship, and also on your 2 and out of the South Region. All I have to say is when it comes time to play ball, Shenandoah shows up, CNU doesn't. You can have your USA South championship ring, Shenandoah has 2 Regional Championship trophies, one of those is courtesy of your Captains.
Glad to see Webster and Wabash were not 2 and done. Makes for good baseball.
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 19, 2011, 03:37:01 PM
Your exactly right, and I LOVE IT!!!!! All you CNU fans who talk smack all year, when it comes time to play baseball, your Captains NEVER show up. We took care of you in 09 in Salisbury, you were DEMORALIZED last year by us, and yes, you did get the best of us in conf tourny this year, but you can have your USA South championship cause this CNU team will be talked about as the biggest disappointment of the South Region, and all other Regions for a longggggggg time. Congrats on your conf championship, and also on your 2 and out of the South Region. All I have to say is when it comes time to play ball, Shenandoah shows up, CNU doesn't. You can have your USA South championship ring, Shenandoah has 2 Regional Championship trophies, one of those is courtesy of your Captains.
WOW! Way to stay classy. And I am certain that your anti-CNU rant makes your Shenandoah alums proud. You should be cheering for teams in your conference to do well as it helps your conference appear stronger in the eyes of the committee when selections are awarded.
Shenandoah comes to play ball, I don't want to hear ANYTHING about excuses cause I was on both teams from SU that went to Appleton and we had a 3 week lay off and all we did was come out and NOT LOSE A GAME in the region tournament either year. A lay off should not matter, when a World Series berth is on the line, you come out ready to play, no matter the lay off. Just goes to show you how well prepared Shenandoah is by Head Coach Kevin Anderson. Oh and those of you who were knocking Coach Anderson about his "tactitcs" at CNU, I don't care what that man did, he wins and you can NOT deny that. John Harvell is booking his teams plane tickets home, and SU is in the driver's seat for a 3rd straight South Region title.
I could NOT care less about my remarks BigPoppa. You don't cheer for a conference foe when you are in the same region as them. That is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Yea cause I'm sure North Carolina fans cheer for Duke to make it to the Final Four when they are both fighting for a National Championship. Good post.
Oh and those "SU alum" you speak of ALL know who I am and I KNOW I have their support in what I say. All the defending that CNU gets when they don't play well or lose is nonsense. I don't want to hear anything about a lay off, you either come to play or you don't, and obviously CNU didn't. Best of luck next year. The SU alum feel the same way that I do about CNU and seeing them go 2 and out. It's almost as good a feeling as winning the Region itself... wait, no it's not, but CNU wouldn't know about that from recent years.
Time and again, the only smacked being talked on this USA South board is by Shenandoah fans such as Cafe Bordeaux. Maybe your team will do well in this tourney, but you, my "friend", have zero class.
Welp, CNU goes 2 and out in Regionals. They certainly had an amazing season/run, and they just picked the wrong time to be sluggish. Either way, great season boys.
AND....although SU will say "we got farther," CNU did take 3 out of 4 from them ;)
I'm pretty sure not all SU fans are on here "talking trash"...but if I recall some CNU guys were pretty rowdy on here about that good ole USAS Conf tourney a few weeks back. CNU has had their fair share of SU bashing this season, this isn't a one way street where that's concerned...I'm not saying classless is the way to go at all, but don't act like it's all SU here...CNUs right there as well (I'm sure you don't need to be reminded of some recent actions by the CNU faithful)
CafeB...you are coming across a lil strong in regards to all this CNU situation (although I know how heated things can get between the two schools). We better hope the Hornets hold up their end of the deal tonight and tomorrow or we may be booking our flights as well.
Like the passion though Lefty...lol
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 19, 2011, 04:00:51 PM
Welp, CNU goes 2 and out in Regionals. They certainly had an amazing season/run, and they just picked the wrong time to be sluggish. Either way, great season boys.
AND....although SU will say "we got farther," CNU did take 3 out of 4 from them ;)
That is true...but what's it all about at the end of the day PNeal? 8-)
Ya had to of known I wasn't gonna let ya get away with that one
Ha-ha! That's all I have to say. When people berate SU baseball time and time again, and we get short changed year after year in all conference voting, and seedings in tournaments, it makes it that much more invigorating to see a team like CNU get bounced after 2 games. I have class, "my friend", I just get sick and tired of SU getting owned on the boards and in votings when all we do is win. Year after year. Everybody always talks how good CNU is and NC Wesleyan, but never SU, but what do we do other than back-to-back regional champions with a conference championship thrown in there.
And on a side note, Goldsmith is a hell of a pitcher, I will not deny that, but it just goes to show you how good Van Sickler is cause he allowed ZERO runs to the same Wabash team that put up 8 against Goldsmith.
You are correct though PNeal, nice season by CNU, thought they DEF would have done better in the regionals from what I saw in Newport News and in Burlington, but unfortunately they did not come to play this week. Hell of a run though and 39-7 is one heck of a season.
Why'd you go and open up this rant? The board was going along so well, but then you started this. BUT, if you really want to get into "coming to play," than we certainly do so. Both CNU and SU have made 2 trips to Appleton; hm, let's compare records of both teams why they are at Appleton. Who came to play while at the World Series? Yes, you did get us in Salisbury two years ago, as congratulations you smacked around a righty topping out at about 76 MPH. In recent years, SU has had the upper hand in the playoff tournaments. However, until you do something Appleton outside of going 1-2 and 0-2, please refrain from saying you "come to play." SU has had an outstanding 3 years, but man you sure make it sound like they are the Yankees with how good they are and past history. Once you obtain an even .500 overall record at the big dance, then we can compare apples to apples, b/c CNU's performance there BY FAR blows away your showing. I'm anxious to see what you guys do when Van Sickler, Brashears, Nelson, and those guys are gone. CNU has had CONTINUED success, as they replaced guys like Turner, Phaulp, and Elliot with excellant players for a decade now. When they dust clears, and your recent crop of excellant players (Henry, Van Dusseldorp, Brashears, Van Sickler, Davis) are gone, I am anxious to see how you are.
I don't enjoy getting into arguments or rants on the CNU/SU topic, b/c I work in Winchester and am very, very close with past players. However, I can't just let you bash on my boys now.
Your right Bossman, maybe I am, but I played in the SU/CNU rivalry for 2 years and I know how much each team hates the other (but respects what each one does). Just gets the best of me sometimes. I still stay by the things I said, but I do need to express my respect and appreciation for what CNU did this year. Too bad for them that it ended abruptly.
You do realize that this team is a completely different team from 09, with the exceptions of Brashears, Nelson and Van Sickler. And even a far different team than last year. So I think it's safe to say that SU has started its trend upwards and is replacing great players with good ones who, in four years, hope to be just as great as the ones who came before them. We lose Lambert, we bring in Neeb. Vernon leaves for CNU, they get Delauter from Allegany and Smith comes the year after from Pot State. Van Dusseldorp leaves, Nelson moves to 3rd and they get Beall at 1st. Henry leaves, they replace him with Krout who was 1st team all conf SS. Davis and Levac leave, they transform Scallion into the submarine closer. I know that CNU has been producing players year after year for longer than SU, but SU is showing that they are making the turn around and replacing the great players who have come through the program with ones who hope to pick up where they left off. So I see your point PNeal that CNU has been doing that "replacing" longer than SU has, but I believe that is changing and Coach Anderson is getting the players he deserves to uphold the program
While SU is showing that trend, I don't consider some of the players you mentioned to be "big-time" players, despite their numbers. Unfortunately, until this season, you must take SU numbers with a grain of salt due to their competition and they home field. While I know the argument can be "They had betters number than you did," which they both did, I do not consider Delaughter and Nelson to be that good of players. I've also heard through the grapevine that some players on this years squard aren't as good as their numbers state (I won't mention who)Henry, Van Sickler, Brashears, Van Dusseldorp, and Davis (just for you CafeBordeaux) were legit big time players. However, you can argue all of the recent guys have had great numbers, so you can easily have a rebuttal against my argument...
Either way, fine season by CNU; sad to see it end this early...I would say it, but I can't find it within me to wish a particular someone (SU) good luck...and I believe Back2Back, Bossman, and CafeBordeaux would be the same in the opposite situation.
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 19, 2011, 04:32:19 PM
While SU is showing that trend, I don't consider some of the players you mentioned to be "big-time" players, despite their numbers. Unfortunately, until this season, you must take SU numbers with a grain of salt due to their competition and they home field. While I know the argument can be "They had betters number than you did," which they both did, I do not consider Delaughter and Nelson to be that good of players. I've also heard through the grapevine that some players on this years squard aren't as good as their numbers state (I won't mention who)Henry, Van Sickler, Brashears, Van Dusseldorp, and Davis (just for you CafeBordeaux) were legit big time players. However, you can argue all of the recent guys have had great numbers, so you can easily have a rebuttal against my argument...
Either way, fine season by CNU; sad to see it end this early...I would say it, but I can't find it within me to wish a particular someone (SU) good luck...and I believe Back2Back, Bossman, and CafeBordeaux would be the same in the opposite situation.
Those guys may not be STUDS like a Brashears, Van Sickler, Henry and soon on but they fit into the system at SU. They're above average ball players that put the ball in play and are more students of the game than anything (especially the Deluagther kid....Nelson is more on the Stud side...he's put up some pretty good numbers all three years he's been there, just been overshadowed by two All Americans...tough to get much press time when you have that to compete with everyday....just my thoughts.
And yeah...I wasn't rooting for CNU all year long 8-)
I've been reading this board all year, but I've stayed away from it...primarily because I find message board "arguments" silly and pointless. However, I'm not going to allow the SU peeps to get on here and beat their chest about 3 years of success. Much like PNeal7 I'm friends with a couple former SU players and I think the world of them and their accomplishments. So with all due respect to those players...this is ridiculous...
When I first transferred CNU, we didn't give a crap about Shenandoah: we disliked Greensboro because, well, who does like Greensboro...playing Methodist was always annoying because you always felt they didn't 'beat' you but they won all the time...Averett college had an outstanding coach but his players had some busch-league antics...and the big rivalry was with NC Wesleyan because we were always seemingly competing against them for the top spot (and they were fun to have a couple cold ones with)...then SU and Ferrum were just long road trips that always seemed cold. I have no clue where the hatred/rivalry with SU came from. Maybe you were so tired of staring up at our a**es from the bottom of the standings you decided to dislike us.
10 years from now, will anybody know who SU is? Will they remember what they've done and what these current classes have worked so hard to accomplish? That depends on what the next generation of SU baseball does. You see, people defend schools like CNU because we've been there, done that (and yet we're still apparently fighting to get over the hump, but that's a different issue in my opinion). SU isn't respected that way yet and 3 years of success won't bring it. People view CNU/Methodist/NC Wesleyan in a different light because those 3 schools have experienced success for a sustained period of time.
"Coming to play" for the better part of a decade will bring that.
Baring some unforeseen event, it's known that in 2020 CNU will still be near the top of whatever conference they're in (provided it's still DIII) and still competing for regional championships (and hopefully more). The same bold statement can't be said for a school like SU.
Hats off to my Captains for a record-breaking season, and best of luck to the remaining schools in Tennessee.
Let me re-phrase...I did not mean Nelson, as in Cory Nelson...I meant Lambert, my mistake
Sorry PNeal7, as I didn't mean to stir the pot...I merely needed to get that off my chest. I doubt I post on here again...until Regionals next year ;)
Quote from: narch on May 17, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 17, 2011, 05:03:16 PM
Who is RMC? I believe Webster is the only team not mentioned here. If you meant to put Webster, then your prediction would be impossible because Wabash and Webster will play each other if they both lose their openers.
rmc is randolph macon college, a south region team from the odac which many have talked about being in this region for the last few weeks...obviously, they aren't in this regional, though :) thanks for keeping me straight - i meant webster, but hadn't looked at the second round match-ups yet to see that regardless of who the 5 and 6 seeds are, they won't be done in 2 games - either way, i don't think that either of these teams will be around long and i don't think either will present much of a challenge to win this regional tournament
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 17, 2011, 07:43:55 PMYou'll have to forgive Narch. Unless it deals with numbers, percentages, isn't highlighted or color coded he has some difficulty comprehending it.
pauperboy - it seems to me that this is a bit personal to you - i'm sure you're the dad of a senior player at rhodes who desperately wants to see his boy to play another game, but if you really think that my color coded charts have anything to do with a 24-20 team being left out of the ncaa tournament...let's just say that the apple fell a long way from the tree
Narch's predictions are pretty laughable thus far.
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 19, 2011, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: narch on May 17, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 17, 2011, 05:03:16 PM
Who is RMC? I believe Webster is the only team not mentioned here. If you meant to put Webster, then your prediction would be impossible because Wabash and Webster will play each other if they both lose their openers.
rmc is randolph macon college, a south region team from the odac which many have talked about being in this region for the last few weeks...obviously, they aren't in this regional, though :) thanks for keeping me straight - i meant webster, but hadn't looked at the second round match-ups yet to see that regardless of who the 5 and 6 seeds are, they won't be done in 2 games - either way, i don't think that either of these teams will be around long and i don't think either will present much of a challenge to win this regional tournament
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 17, 2011, 07:43:55 PMYou'll have to forgive Narch. Unless it deals with numbers, percentages, isn't highlighted or color coded he has some difficulty comprehending it.
pauperboy - it seems to me that this is a bit personal to you - i'm sure you're the dad of a senior player at rhodes who desperately wants to see his boy to play another game, but if you really think that my color coded charts have anything to do with a 24-20 team being left out of the ncaa tournament...let's just say that the apple fell a long way from the tree
Narch's predictions are pretty laughable thus far.
Looks pretty decent so far. Webster got beat 10-1 today with their #2 and Randolph-Macon lost their first game.
Well Thanks for your input CNUball25, but your opinion really doesnt matter much...so, as you stated...feel free to stay silent until next regionals.
Back to reality....SU's up 6-0 in the 2nd
Good start huh?
Wow...Piedmont has issued almost as many walks as they have hits...10 BB's 11 SU hits thru 7 complete....hard for any team to win a ball game under those circumstances,unreal stat...
SU in control again
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 19, 2011, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 19, 2011, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: narch on May 17, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 17, 2011, 05:03:16 PM
Who is RMC? I believe Webster is the only team not mentioned here. If you meant to put Webster, then your prediction would be impossible because Wabash and Webster will play each other if they both lose their openers.
rmc is randolph macon college, a south region team from the odac which many have talked about being in this region for the last few weeks...obviously, they aren't in this regional, though :) thanks for keeping me straight - i meant webster, but hadn't looked at the second round match-ups yet to see that regardless of who the 5 and 6 seeds are, they won't be done in 2 games - either way, i don't think that either of these teams will be around long and i don't think either will present much of a challenge to win this regional tournament
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 17, 2011, 07:43:55 PMYou'll have to forgive Narch. Unless it deals with numbers, percentages, isn't highlighted or color coded he has some difficulty comprehending it.
pauperboy - it seems to me that this is a bit personal to you - i'm sure you're the dad of a senior player at rhodes who desperately wants to see his boy to play another game, but if you really think that my color coded charts have anything to do with a 24-20 team being left out of the ncaa tournament...let's just say that the apple fell a long way from the tree
Narch's predictions are pretty laughable thus far.
Looks pretty decent so far. Webster got beat 10-1 today with their #2 and Randolph-Macon lost their first game.
His post was actually referring to the #5 and #6 seeds which are Wabash and Webster. He was making a point that neither of them would play much of a role in this regional (There is more in his previous posts which I didn't copy). In any case, Wabash and Webster combined to send home the #1 team in the nation today.
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 19, 2011, 05:24:13 PM
Narch's predictions are pretty laughable thus far.
isn't that the beauty of tournament baseball, though?
i don't recall seeing your predictions, but it's easy to sit back and predict games after the fact, isn't it :)
Quote from: cnuball25 on May 19, 2011, 04:50:03 PM
I've been reading this board all year, but I've stayed away from it...primarily because I find message board "arguments" silly and pointless. However, I'm not going to allow the SU peeps to get on here and beat their chest about 3 years of success. Much like PNeal7 I'm friends with a couple former SU players and I think the world of them and their accomplishments. So with all due respect to those players...this is ridiculous...
When I first transferred CNU, we didn't give a crap about Shenandoah: we disliked Greensboro because, well, who does like Greensboro...playing Methodist was always annoying because you always felt they didn't 'beat' you but they won all the time...Averett college had an outstanding coach but his players had some busch-league antics...and the big rivalry was with NC Wesleyan because we were always seemingly competing against them for the top spot (and they were fun to have a couple cold ones with)...then SU and Ferrum were just long road trips that always seemed cold. I have no clue where the hatred/rivalry with SU came from. Maybe you were so tired of staring up at our a**es from the bottom of the standings you decided to dislike us.
10 years from now, will anybody know who SU is? Will they remember what they've done and what these current classes have worked so hard to accomplish? That depends on what the next generation of SU baseball does. You see, people defend schools like CNU because we've been there, done that (and yet we're still apparently fighting to get over the hump, but that's a different issue in my opinion). SU isn't respected that way yet and 3 years of success won't bring it. People view CNU/Methodist/NC Wesleyan in a different light because those 3 schools have experienced success for a sustained period of time.
"Coming to play" for the better part of a decade will bring that.
Baring some unforeseen event, it's known that in 2020 CNU will still be near the top of whatever conference they're in (provided it's still DIII) and still competing for regional championships (and hopefully more). The same bold statement can't be said for a school like SU.
Hats off to my Captains for a record-breaking season, and best of luck to the remaining schools in Tennessee.
Case in Point...."SU ISNT RESPECTED".......That is why former SU players take this subject personal.......We feel that what we did the last two years and what they have done so far this year DESERVES that respect. We have been talked down apon on this board the last three years by many. "Our weak scheduales and inflated numbers" yet we won the region two years in a row. Yes, Bridgeforth is a short porch compared to most but what people dont realize 90% of the time the wind there is blowing across the field and knocks the ball down. I saw alot of balls that were crushed that would have been out of any ballpark but because of the wind they were caught. The other 10% of the time the wind is calm or like the 09 series with Methodist blowing straight out. In the end it all evens out. The deminsions of that field do not effect batting averages. Exactly how many regionals in a row does a team have to win to get that respect that you are speaking of? ONE MORE WIN BOYS!!!!!!!
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 19, 2011, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 19, 2011, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 19, 2011, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: narch on May 17, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 17, 2011, 05:03:16 PM
Who is RMC? I believe Webster is the only team not mentioned here. If you meant to put Webster, then your prediction would be impossible because Wabash and Webster will play each other if they both lose their openers.
rmc is randolph macon college, a south region team from the odac which many have talked about being in this region for the last few weeks...obviously, they aren't in this regional, though :) thanks for keeping me straight - i meant webster, but hadn't looked at the second round match-ups yet to see that regardless of who the 5 and 6 seeds are, they won't be done in 2 games - either way, i don't think that either of these teams will be around long and i don't think either will present much of a challenge to win this regional tournament
Quote from: Pauperboy on May 17, 2011, 07:43:55 PMYou'll have to forgive Narch. Unless it deals with numbers, percentages, isn't highlighted or color coded he has some difficulty comprehending it.
pauperboy - it seems to me that this is a bit personal to you - i'm sure you're the dad of a senior player at rhodes who desperately wants to see his boy to play another game, but if you really think that my color coded charts have anything to do with a 24-20 team being left out of the ncaa tournament...let's just say that the apple fell a long way from the tree
Narch's predictions are pretty laughable thus far.
Looks pretty decent so far. Webster got beat 10-1 today with their #2 and Randolph-Macon lost their first game.
His post was actually referring to the #5 and #6 seeds which are Wabash and Webster. He was making a point that neither of them would play much of a role in this regional (There is more in his previous posts which I didn't copy). In any case, Wabash and Webster combined to send home the #1 team in the nation today.
That's not what I read. I read that neither team would be much of a threat to win the tournament. Webster had a very solid freshman ace that I think most people saw being a threat, albeit not an 11-1 win threat.
Well, cnuball25, you can say what you want, but Piedmont decided to walk Van Sickler to load the bases to get to Nelson, who proceeded to hit a grand slam so say what you want, but Nelson puts up legit numbers. And in no way, shape, or form was Delauter a stud, but he did hit over .400 in the season in 2010 with mid 30's in RBI's from the 9 hole and also was key in that DEMORALIZING 14th inning walkoff win against you guys. Delauter was 2nd team all conf last year if I remember correctly, and would've been 1st team had Brashears not exploded in the final weekend. Not a stud in anyone's eyes, but a team guy who bought into Kevin Anderson's system, hence the reason they were able to win a 2nd straight region title last year.
And how can you sit there and say about CNU still being competitive in 2020??? How do u know what CNU will or will not be doing then??? How do u know what SU will or will not be doing then??? What if SU wins the region title for the next 9 years??? What if CNU/SU alternate region titles for the next 9 years??? You have no idea what the future holds, Nostradamus, so I'll go ahead and retract that asinine statement for you.
As far as continued success, I just looked up CNU history and under Coach Harvell, they were national runners up (congrats on that, well deserved) and a third place finish (congrats on that as well) other than that, there isn't much else to ride home about as far as regional/national competition is concerned. A conference title here and there, but like I said before, SU has turned that page and has shown we can play with the best. I expect nothing but greatness from SU here on out. People are starting to realize and see how great of a Coach Kevin Anderson is and they will start wanting to play with a Coach who knows how to prepare his players for big time series'.
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 20, 2011, 12:28:31 AM
As far as continued success, I just looked up CNU history and under Coach Harvell, they were national runners up (congrats on that, well deserved) and a third place finish (congrats on that as well) other than that, there isn't much else to ride home about as far as regional/national competition is concerned.
Hopefully after reading this, everyone knows not to listen to you about anything.
I mean really, what a dumb statement. "Aside from playing on the last day of the championship tournament twice, you haven't really done much."
About the only thing more they could do is win the championship, which I have a feeling still wouldn't shut you up.
God I miss Wesleyan and Methodist being really good in the South. Class programs with classy and knowledgeable fans who don't think D-III baseball started in 2007.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 20, 2011, 12:45:30 AM
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 20, 2011, 12:28:31 AM
As far as continued success, I just looked up CNU history and under Coach Harvell, they were national runners up (congrats on that, well deserved) and a third place finish (congrats on that as well) other than that, there isn't much else to ride home about as far as regional/national competition is concerned.
Hopefully after reading this, everyone knows not to listen to you about anything.
I mean really, what a dumb statement. "Aside from playing on the last day of the championship tournament twice, you haven't really done much."
About the only thing more they could do is win the championship, which I have a feeling still wouldn't shut you up.
God I miss Wesleyan and Methodist being really good in the South. Class programs with classy and knowledgeable fans who don't think D-III baseball started in 2007.
I believe what he was trying to say is that CNU has been to the world series twice under Harvell and SU has been to the world series twice under Anderson. I dont think he was downplaying the two world series appearances by CNU even though it could easily be taken that way. As far as Shenandoah fans and players not having any class, you couldnt be more wrong. I think this had kinda been building up on the former players and now that we are no longer playing we can actually get on here and debate. CNU historically has a better track record than Shenandoah. There is no arguement there. So I can see where CNU25 was coming from all except the comment on SU not deserving the respect. Anyone who personally knows the Shenandoah fans, players, and coaches know that we are a class act.
I think I just realized who CNU25 is...........perhaps this should be taken up on softballmania?? haha
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 20, 2011, 01:20:55 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 20, 2011, 12:45:30 AM
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 20, 2011, 12:28:31 AM
As far as continued success, I just looked up CNU history and under Coach Harvell, they were national runners up (congrats on that, well deserved) and a third place finish (congrats on that as well) other than that, there isn't much else to ride home about as far as regional/national competition is concerned.
Hopefully after reading this, everyone knows not to listen to you about anything.
I mean really, what a dumb statement. "Aside from playing on the last day of the championship tournament twice, you haven't really done much."
About the only thing more they could do is win the championship, which I have a feeling still wouldn't shut you up.
God I miss Wesleyan and Methodist being really good in the South. Class programs with classy and knowledgeable fans who don't think D-III baseball started in 2007.
I believe what he was trying to say is that CNU has been to the world series twice under Harvell and SU has been to the world series twice under Anderson. I dont think he was downplaying the two world series appearances by CNU even though it could easily be taken that way. As far as Shenandoah fans and players not having any class, you couldnt be more wrong. I think this had kinda been building up on the former players and now that we are no longer playing we can actually get on here and debate. CNU historically has a better track record than Shenandoah. There is no arguement there. So I can see where CNU25 was coming from all except the comment on SU not deserving the respect. Anyone who personally knows the Shenandoah fans, players, and coaches know that we are a class act.
I think I just realized who CNU25 is...........perhaps this should be taken up on softballmania?? haha
Shenandoah is one of 35 teams to have at least one World Series win in 2001-2010. They're also the only team that has been to more than one series that doesn't have at least two wins.
Hopkins, 2 trips, 5-4 record and a runner up plaque
Linfield, 2 trips, 3 wins
Illinois Wesleyan, 4-3 in 2 trips and a title
St. Thomas 9-2 in 2 trips and 2 titles
Wooster 6-4 in 2 trips and a runner up
Emory 5-4 in 2 trips and a runner up
Montclair State 5-4
Aurora 2-4
Rowan 2-4
Salisbury 2-4
Christopher Newport 7-4 in 2 trips and a runner-up
But according to Cafe, CNU's postseason record is nothing to write home about. Nah, they're only 7th in Appleton wins in the past decade, 3rd among teams with 3 trips or fewer. And they've got a plaque from the NCAA from one of their trips.
For the record, I'm able to find 6 schools that opened their ledger in the championship round with back to back appearances (or more) but didn't place in the top 2 in any of them.
They are, in order, Marietta, Oshkosh, NC Wesleyan, Carthage, Bridgewater State and Shenandoah. The latest of the first three was 1983. Carthage and Bridgewater State were not too long after the expansion to 8 teams in 1991 (Carthage was 1993-95, B-State 96-97). Neither of the latter two has yet made a championship game, B-State hasn't even made it back to the Series.
Teams that made the title game in one of their first two back-to-back trips are CS Stanislaus (won the first two titles), Rowan, ECSU, St. Thomas, Christopher Newport, Kean. Only CNU has not made it back since their first two appearances, though it took St. Thomas 8 years to get back after their 2001 title.
All just history, submitted for history's sake.
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-cnuadvance-0518-20110517,0,7389309.story
Wishful thinking I suppose, huh CNU25? 8-)
Game On, Salisbury!
A bit off subject, but pertinent nonetheless: I'm a CNU Parent and went to almost every game they played for 6 years. CNU25 pretty well described the rivalries and early on, SU wasn't really a factor, just someone you sure didn't want to lose to for embarrassment's sake. They have come a long long way and deserve a ton of credit, and Anderson is one of the best game coaches I've seen-he gets the most out of his guys and in the past 3-4 years is drawing in some very good talent. I would never have imagined that was possible at SU as the facilities weren't much and school was known for its music programs, not its sports, but SU's baseball program is a bright light and deserves much credit (and more funding ;D). And SU as a school is improving by leaps and bounds as well. It won't rank in the top academic schools in Virginia right now, but it's heading up and Rome wasn't built in a day.
As for fans: over my 6 years of CNU games, the clearly favorite rival was NCWC. The on field rivalry was intense, but off the field, a lot of the players were friends, they even hung out together at the USAS tournament, and the NCWC fans were just delightful. They'd root their guys on just as loud and faithfully as SU's...well, just as faithfully, maybe not as loud...but the fans of the two schools developed friendships as well. We looked forward to either going to Rocky Mount or having them visit as we enjoyed shooting the breeze with them. There was never any ugliness. We had some classic on field battles with them, all the more memorable because we genuinely liked their fans too. If they weren't playing CNU, we pulled for them too.
I don't know exactly how the CNU-SU rivalry turned ugly. Certainly on the field, they've played some wonderfully competitive games over the past 3 seasons, and it feels like SU is the biggest rival...but certainly not the "favorite". SU's fans are very faithful, very supportive, and they travel exceptionally well. If you listen to what they say, it's not vulgar or ugly, not obscene, they just root for their guys. Not a thing wrong with that. While they may have a fan or two that just seems annoying-you find those sometimes, clean but just for some reason annoying- it's not like that's the only annoying fan in the USAS-every school has one or two of those from time to time. And while I missed the USAS Tournament this year, I heard nothing but good things from some parents about the SU crowd-one guy said, "Heck, if it wasn't SU, I could almost like them." Kinda funny...
So, SU, now 2-0 in the NCAA regional, has regained the bragging rights for this year, however much further they go, and they get to hold those rights until 2012. CNU baseball will likely always be top notch-they have beautiful DI quality facilities, the school is highly rated academically (now #3 in Virginia among ALL schools for average GPA/SAT entering frosh), it's located in a baseball hotbed, Tidewater, a very personable and successful well-regarded head coach, and not insignificantly, the in state tuition is reasonably priced as it's a state school. SU could be at the threshold of long record of outstanding baseball-excellent coach, successful program, the school improves yearly, new academic buildings have gone up, and the baseball facilities have improved...but these guys do deserve their own field. So kudos to SU, they've earned them, and maybe over time, the rivalry will grow a bit "friendlier".
A D III college player from New York told me he followed CNU and SU all year as it was "just so cool that two rivals in the same conference could be so highly ranked". Interesting perspective.
Good luck to the Hornets, and maybe the day will come in the future where all of the rival fans of both schools really mean that.
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 19, 2011, 04:05:52 PM
Ha-ha! That's all I have to say. When people berate SU baseball time and time again, and we get short changed year after year in all conference voting, and seedings in tournaments, it makes it that much more invigorating to see a team like CNU get bounced after 2 games. I have class, "my friend", I just get sick and tired of SU getting owned on the boards and in votings when all we do is win. Year after year. Everybody always talks how good CNU is and NC Wesleyan, but never SU, but what do we do other than back-to-back regional champions with a conference championship thrown in there.
And on a side note, Goldsmith is a hell of a pitcher, I will not deny that, but it just goes to show you how good Van Sickler is cause he allowed ZERO runs to the same Wabash team that put up 8 against Goldsmith.
I was not berating Shenandoah baseball, I was berating you. I have tons of respect for the SU program, and very little for you. But, at the end of the day, the program is what really matters, right?!
Well, Delaughter, or should I say CafeBordeaux, it looks like you just exposed who you were. Congratulations on the .400 BA during your 1 season of success, as that is certainly commendable against any competition. Also, congratulations on your 2b in the 14th inning, which eventually led to the SU victory. I would say the pass ball was more demoralizing than your punching judy double, but it's your story so tell it how you want. Take that same inning, and we can compare true talent. We intentionally walked Brashears, because he truly is an amazing player, one who may have a chance at the next level. While SU truly has had guys who could hit any competition well (Henry, Brashears, Van Sickler, Van Dusseldrop), I would have to say you sir benefited from the "weak" schedule that is so talked about on the board. When you have the lefty from PSU-Nun School pumping it at about 68 (fastball with an arc on it), the majority of collegiate players can hit for a decent average. I'm dome arguing with this. I have some great friends who are SU former players or fans, and I think the world of them. I do not want to contiually write stuff like this and aggrevate them. BUT, as my last comment, I must say that CafeBordeaux, you were the LEAST of anyone's concerns when they played SU. Congratulations on a solid 1 year, and I wish you continued success in the remainder of your professional career.
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 20, 2011, 10:57:39 AM
Well, Delaughter, or should I say CafeBordeaux, it looks like you just exposed who you were. Congratulations on the .400 BA during your 1 season of success, as that is certainly commendable against any competition. Also, congratulations on your 2b in the 14th inning, which eventually led to the SU victory. I would say the pass ball was more demoralizing than your punching judy double, but it's your story so tell it how you want. Take that same inning, and we can compare true talent. We intentionally walked Brashears, because he truly is an amazing player, one who may have a chance at the next level. While SU truly has had guys who could hit any competition well (Henry, Brashears, Van Sickler, Van Dusseldrop), I would have to say you sir benefited from the "weak" schedule that is so talked about on the board. When you have the lefty from PSU-Nun School pumping it at about 68 (fastball with an arc on it), the majority of collegiate players can hit for a decent average. I'm dome arguing with this. I have some great friends who are SU former players or fans, and I think the world of them. I do not want to contiually write stuff like this and aggrevate them. BUT, as my last comment, I must say that CafeBordeaux, you were the LEAST of anyone's concerns when they played SU. Congratulations on a solid 1 year, and I wish you continued success in the remainder of your professional career.
PSU Nun School or not...SU doesn't seem to have any trouble come this time of year (I'm pretty sure there aren't any hellen keller type teams that you are describing in this years region, yet SU is still 2 wins away from getting back to Appleton for a 3rd straight year)... Seems like whoever's doing the scheduling knows what he/she is doing...One can make excuses about why SU players have such "inflated numbers," but I dont think you can make up/dismiss the 2 (soon to be 3) regional championship banners hanging on their right field wall. (Maybe the reason the dimensions at The Bridge are soo small is so opposing teams can get a good look at them??...who knows)
What does is matter if Delauter was just an average ball player or a stud...He did everything SU needed him to do to get to Appleton, that was his job and he did it pretty well. Not too sure what ya have against the guy other than his smack talk on here...either way this entire subject is irrelevant to most, there's still a regional title up for grabs for some.
Just my thoughts...
All this talk is doing is taking away from SU and their accomplishments in THIS regional!!! All this past talk is in the PAST!! Let it go boys!!
Agreed Bossman. I personally have nothing against the guy, except for it's ridiculous to get on a message and boast your own personal experiences/achievements. I also agree with SUBaseball Fan, as SU is 2-0 in the current regional and sitting pretty. However, I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch Bossman (the "soon" to be 3 comment). While it very well may be a 3rd upcoming champsionship, it's a bad omen, and against the rules of the baseball gods. You know that just as well as me :).
On to the more important note, you playing any softball this summer? lol
I have often found it easy to make a bold statement when you are not the one who has to answer for it on the field.
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 20, 2011, 11:46:02 AM
Agreed Bossman. I personally have nothing against the guy, except for it's ridiculous to get on a message and boast your own personal experiences/achievements. I also agree with SUBaseball Fan, as SU is 2-0 in the current regional and sitting pretty. However, I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch Bossman (the "soon" to be 3 comment). While it very well may be a 3rd upcoming champsionship, it's a bad omen, and against the rules of the baseball gods. You know that just as well as me :).
On to the more important note, you playing any softball this summer? lol
Lol, I know it's not the brightest of ideas to go and crown a champ before it's actually been done, maybe it's just a lil wishful thinking on my behalf...one can atleast always hope for the 3rd title...If not, oh well...is what it is.
Naa, Not playing any softball, dont get back in town early enough from work during the week and I don't feel like it on the weekends haha.
BigPoppa...Thanks for your 2 cents as well. Although I am not there "playing" to prove my point as you would like...One can always base an opinion on what they have seen or from past baseball experiences...After watching each team in this regional I'm pretty sure I'd say SU is the best team there and have the best shot to continue on from the south after the first two games...Call me crazy, but I'm sure many who have been in tune with this regional closely would have to agree...
The hot Salisbury(SSU) team comes in winners of 8 straight (or something like that) and they take one on the chin to open things up...we all know about CNU's regional appearance...the same piedmont team that waxed SSU got throttled by SU last night...Wabash has been beaten by SU...and Webster lost to SSU yesterday...
Call it what ya want, I just feel the Hornets are the best team left...now, will they go win it??? Who knows, I certainly hope so.
Oh yea you're right, I benefited from that so called "weak" schedule, but none of the other SU players did. Weak schedule or not, we still took the Region both years so say what you want, but I dont think you can say the "REGION TOURNAMENT" was weak. That weak schedule also consisted of what turned out to be 5 games against you guys, in which we took 4 of them. My hats off to Brinkman for throwing the way he did in game 1 of conf tourny, that was in all honesty unreal. But I'll leave it at the fact that we can agree to disagree PNeal.
The fact is SU is up 2-0 in the Region right now and if it plays out, they get the Webster/Piedmont winner and the winner of Salisbury/Wabash is moving on to tomorrow's championship game. So, hoping this doesn't happen, but if SU loses tonight, they will be 2-1, Webster or Piedmont will be 2-1 and wabash or salisbury will be 2-1, how the f*** does that work out for tomorrow? It almost seems as though its set up to where its "ok" to lose a game in the region cause you still have to win 4 to get the title. You just cant lose on day 1. Somebody explain this set up cuz i cant seem to figure it out. Doesn't seem like it favors the team that starts 2-0. Last year, we were 2-0 along with Mary Wash on day 3, and we beat them which forced them to play Salisbury later that night to see who played us in the Championship. But that was a scenario where TWO teams were 2-0, unlike this tournament. I'm not getting how this set up works just in case there are 3 teams that are 2-1 going into tomorrow.
Looks like if Shenandoah wins it's next game, then will be in the Championship game facing winner of Salisbury/Wabash.
If Shenandoah loses it's next game, then they must play the winner of the Salisbury/Wabash game to earn a spot in the Championship game. In this scenario, the team that beats Shenandoah would move on to the Championship game.
Definitely does not appear to be an advantage to start off 2-0 the way the bracket breaks down.
It's hard to follow even when in bracket format
http://scacsports.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/2011southregional/2011_south_region_bracket.pdf (http://scacsports.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/2011southregional/2011_south_region_bracket.pdf)
Quote from: hoopstermom on May 20, 2011, 02:19:52 PMDefinitely does not appear to be an advantage to start off 2-0 the way the bracket breaks down.
it is an advantage to be playing your third game of the weekend when anyone else is playing its fourth game of the weekend
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 20, 2011, 01:38:07 PMI'm not getting how this set up works just in case there are 3 teams that are 2-1 going into tomorrow.
if shenandoah loses to the webster/piedmont winner, they will play the salisbury/wabash winner - the winner of the shenandoah vs. salisbury/wabash game would then play the winner of the webster/piedmont game in a winner-take-the-title game
i'd like to comment on the cnu/su thing going back and forth right now...
my opinion of su has changed dramatically in the span of the last 12 months or so, some positive, some negative - on the field, i now believe (and did after the regional last year) that su is the real deal - i think they will be able to sustain success long-term (next year will be tough, though), especially moving into the odac, where they can win a lot of games even if they aren't as good - winning begets winning
my opinion of the su program as a class program has changed for the negative, due in large part to the comments on this board and the alleged actions of the coach during the cnu series...if you run a classy program, your former players shouldn't have to be on a message board talking about how classy the program is while making statements which are in direct contrast - like it or not, the things that people say and do on these boards are perception of a school/program for many of us (and i say this fully aware that there may be some who have a negative perception of mu because of some of my comments :))
piedmont eliminated webster winning 2-1...go lions :)
That makes sense that if three teams were 2-1 that there would just be a one game winner-take-all championship, but it doesn't seem to be an advantage for a Shenandoah team who is 2-0 to have to go that way. Hopefully my Hornets can avoid that scenario by taking care of business tonight and just let everybody else beat each other. 6 team set ups are stupid in my opinion. I like the way the Region was set up in 09 w the 8 teams that were at Salisbury. 2 wins away from a 3-peat, LET'S GO BOYS!!!
Sorry for keeping this going, but this 6 team format makes zero sense. Shenandoah who is 2-0 plays piedmont tonight who is 2-1. The winner of wabash/salisbury is automatically in the championship and obviously the loser of that goes home. so there will be a 2-1 team already in the finals, if SU loses tonight they will play Piedmont (I'm assuming) again tomorrow to see who plays the wabash/salisbury winner for a one game winner-take-all game. So that means that wabash and salisbury, who both lost on day 1, will only need to win 3 games to take the title if the three team's at 2-1 scenario occurs. The Wab/Salisbury winner should have to play piedmont tomorrow (if piedmont beats SU tonight) to see who goes to the championship. Not saying this cause I'm an SU guy, it just doesn't make sense to start 2-0 if you will have to win 4 games to take the title as opposed to 3 wins for the Wabash/Salisbury winner. Now all of this is irrelevant if SU takes care of Piedmont tonight, but still, in case they don't, this set up does not favor the team that starts 2-0. The NCAA just needs to go to a 64 team field and do 8 team Regions the whole way through.
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 20, 2011, 03:49:51 PM
Sorry for keeping this going, but this 6 team format makes zero sense. Shenandoah who is 2-0 plays piedmont tonight who is 2-1. The winner of wabash/salisbury is automatically in the championship and obviously the loser of that goes home. so there will be a 2-1 team already in the finals, if SU loses tonight they will play Piedmont (I'm assuming) again tomorrow to see who plays the wabash/salisbury winner for a one game winner-take-all game. So that means that wabash and salisbury, who both lost on day 1, will only need to win 3 games to take the title if the three team's at 2-1 scenario occurs. The Wab/Salisbury winner should have to play piedmont tomorrow (if piedmont beats SU tonight) to see who goes to the championship. Not saying this cause I'm an SU guy, it just doesn't make sense to start 2-0 if you will have to win 4 games to take the title as opposed to 3 wins for the Wabash/Salisbury winner. Now all of this is irrelevant if SU takes care of Piedmont tonight, but still, in case they don't, this set up does not favor the team that starts 2-0. The NCAA just needs to go to a 64 team field and do 8 team Regions the whole way through.
Let's not try to reinvent the wheel here.....it takes 4 wins to win this regional no matter what. If Shenandoah loses tonight, they will play the winner of Wabash/Salisbury tomorrow at noon. Piedmont would be in the finals at 3:30 tomorrow with a 3-1 record to face the winner of Wabash/Salisbury vs Shenandoah, either of whom would be 3-1 going into the finals.
If my explanation above doesn't suffice, you could always take a look at the bracket as well:
http://scacsports.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/2011southregional/2011_south_region_bracket.pdf
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 20, 2011, 03:26:30 PM
That makes sense that if three teams were 2-1 that there would just be a one game winner-take-all championship, but it doesn't seem to be an advantage for a Shenandoah team who is 2-0 to have to go that way. Hopefully my Hornets can avoid that scenario by taking care of business tonight and just let everybody else beat each other. 6 team set ups are stupid in my opinion. I like the way the Region was set up in 09 w the 8 teams that were at Salisbury. 2 wins away from a 3-peat, LET'S GO BOYS!!!
the problem that you're having is that there would not be three teams at 2-1 if piedmont wins tonight...pc would be 3-1 while su and the wabash/ssu winner would be 2-1, as pc is already 2-1 going into the game tonight (wins vs. ssu and webster, loss vs. su)
in the scenario that su loses to pc tonight, the wabash/ssu winner still needs two more wins - one vs. su and another vs. pc - it takes 4 wins to bring home a title in a 6 team regional any way you slice it
with the exception of the cnu meltdown, it seems that the cream has risen to the top in this regional...piedmont, salisbury and su left with a shot at the crown
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 20, 2011, 01:38:07 PM
Oh yea you're right, I benefited from that so called "weak" schedule, but none of the other SU players did. Weak schedule or not, we still took the Region both years so say what you want, but I dont think you can say the "REGION TOURNAMENT" was weak.
Compared to other regions? I sure would. South region baseball isn't what it used to be. The region has only had 1 champion win more than one game in Appleton since 2003 (Emory 2007, obviously). It was never the best region, but it was better than this. I'm hopeful that the changes in the USAS will help that, and the addition of Birmingham Southern to the mix.
Magic number...... 1
;D
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 20, 2011, 10:00:31 PM
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on May 20, 2011, 01:38:07 PM
Oh yea you're right, I benefited from that so called "weak" schedule, but none of the other SU players did. Weak schedule or not, we still took the Region both years so say what you want, but I dont think you can say the "REGION TOURNAMENT" was weak.
Compared to other regions? I sure would. South region baseball isn't what it used to be. The region has only had 1 champion win more than one game in Appleton since 2003 (Emory 2007, obviously). It was never the best region, but it was better than this. I'm hopeful that the changes in the USAS will help that, and the addition of Birmingham Southern to the mix.
I would agree that the South the past couple years hasnt been as strong in year pass but I do believe from top to bottom the south is better than a lot of regionals out there even in down years.
Is anyones live stats working or is it just my computer?
SU getting handled by Salisbury...winner take all on deck. Exciting day of baseball
Ultimate choke job by the Hornets today...Starting pitching let em down...too many free passes put them in a hole from the get go in both games...Tough pill to swallow. Good job to Salisbury though...Made enough plays to win
All the comments I have made about Shenandoah, let me be the first to say that they truly did NOT come to play today. Pitching let them down HUGE and thats something Coach Anderson prides his staff on, to not give up free passes and make the hitters get themselves out. That did not happen today. I must say, Van Sickler's double off the wall would've tied it had it gone out, but it didnt and that is fortunate for Salisbury, but that was one HELL of a comeback effort BOTH games by the Hornets. To come back after they were put in that big of a hole is a tribute to their character and their competitiveness. But unfortunately they came up just short both games. I am highly stunned at the outcome, but good luck to Salisbury in the World Series.
Some other USA-South News
Maryville has accepted conference membership. With Shenandoah leaving after the 2012 season, baseball will look like this
Averett
Christopher Newport
Ferrum
Greensboro
LaGrange
Maryville
Methodist
NC Wesleyan
Piedmont
Top-to-Bottom one of the best D3 baseball conferences.
Quote from: Falcon2720 on May 21, 2011, 07:21:12 PM
Some other USA-South News
Maryville has accepted conference membership. With Shenandoah leaving after the 2012 season, baseball will look like this
Averett
Christopher Newport
Ferrum
Greensboro
LaGrange
Maryville
Methodist
NC Wesleyan
Piedmont
Top-to-Bottom one of the best D3 baseball conferences.
falcon, i think it will look more like this, with cnu joining the cac...
congrats to the salisbury seagulls...rep the south well, boys
Quote from: narch on May 21, 2011, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on May 21, 2011, 07:21:12 PM
Some other USA-South News
Maryville has accepted conference membership. With Shenandoah leaving after the 2012 season, baseball will look like this
Averett
Christopher Newport
Ferrum
Greensboro
LaGrange
Maryville
Methodist
NC Wesleyan
Piedmont
Top-to-Bottom one of the best D3 baseball conferences.
falcon, i think it will look more like this, with cnu joining the cac...
+Birmingham Southern/Huntingdon? The SCAC looks like it's about to break up with Hendrix, Rhodes, Centre and Sewanee leaving in 2012, DePauw leaving after this year.
Anyone know why Van Sickler didn't come back for any longer than he did? Does he just not recover quickly (some guys don't)? When they went to Sears in the first game at 3-3, I would have been thinking Van Sickler right there, then hopefully he can get you to Scallion.
Gutsy work by Greiner and Herbert (especially Herbert, who started on the 19th and 21st!). Didn't fool too many people it doesn't look like but got it over the plate.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 21, 2011, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: narch on May 21, 2011, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on May 21, 2011, 07:21:12 PM
Some other USA-South News
Maryville has accepted conference membership. With Shenandoah leaving after the 2012 season, baseball will look like this
Averett
Christopher Newport
Ferrum
Greensboro
LaGrange
Maryville
Methodist
NC Wesleyan
Piedmont
Top-to-Bottom one of the best D3 baseball conferences.
falcon, i think it will look more like this, with cnu joining the cac...
+Birmingham Southern/Huntingdon? The SCAC looks like it's about to break up with Hendrix, Rhodes, Centre and Sewanee leaving in 2012, DePauw leaving after this year.
Yes, but those "former" SCAC teams would still be "South Region" teams.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2011, 11:14:02 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 21, 2011, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: narch on May 21, 2011, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on May 21, 2011, 07:21:12 PM
Some other USA-South News
Maryville has accepted conference membership. With Shenandoah leaving after the 2012 season, baseball will look like this
Averett
Christopher Newport
Ferrum
Greensboro
LaGrange
Maryville
Methodist
NC Wesleyan
Piedmont
Top-to-Bottom one of the best D3 baseball conferences.
falcon, i think it will look more like this, with cnu joining the cac...
+Birmingham Southern/Huntingdon? The SCAC looks like it's about to break up with Hendrix, Rhodes, Centre and Sewanee leaving in 2012, DePauw leaving after this year.
Yes, but those "former" SCAC teams would still be "South Region" teams.
I thought the discussion was about the USA South. I think the new USAS (especially sans CNU) makes more sense for those two schools than the ASC, though a new Millsaps/Miss Coll/Louisiana Coll/Centenary/B-SC/Huntingdon/Oglethorpe league might work also, though I have no idea if that's being discussed at all.
I agree that CNU probably moves to the CAC.
(I thought the discussion was moving towards the strength of the South Region. SU really helps the ODAC.)
As for a new conference in the south with the leftovers of the SCAC, Louisiana College has 5 schools within 220 miles: Mississippi College, Centenary, East Texas Baptist, LeTourneau and UT-Tyler. UT-Dallas and UOzarks, the rest of the ASC-East are 311 and 431 miles away.
Louisiana College to Birmingham-Southern and Huntingdon are 421 and 434 miles away. Centenary is right in the middle of the ASC-East. Mississippi College is about 250 miles away from both of those Alabama schools. Louisiana College, Centenary, ETBU and LeTourneau are roughly inside that driving radius
Where the dominoes fall in the South with this most recent move will be interesting.
Quote from: bossman on May 21, 2011, 07:06:43 PM
Ultimate choke job by the Hornets today...Starting pitching let em down...too many free passes put them in a hole from the get go in both games...Tough pill to swallow. Good job to Salisbury though...Made enough plays to win
I disagree 100%, some days, your pitching will not be on their A game.
The pitching staff will not be able to be on their A game every outing, just impossible, if so, then the Hornets would of be been undefeated.
SU didn't choke, Salisbury was the better team yesterday and did what they needed to do to win two games.
Congrats SU on a great season and for those SR's who experienced 111 wins over those years, much kudos to you guys and best of luck in your real world journey.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2011, 01:13:39 AM
I agree that CNU probably moves to the CAC.
(I thought the discussion was moving towards the strength of the South Region. SU really helps the ODAC.)
As for a new conference in the south with the leftovers of the SCAC, Louisiana College has 5 schools within 220 miles: Mississippi College, Centenary, East Texas Baptist, LeTourneau and UT-Tyler. UT-Dallas and UOzarks, the rest of the ASC-East are 311 and 431 miles away.
Louisiana College to Birmingham-Southern and Huntingdon are 421 and 434 miles away. Centenary is right in the middle of the ASC-East. Mississippi College is about 250 miles away from both of those Alabama schools. Louisiana College, Centenary, ETBU and LeTourneau are roughly inside that driving radius
Where the dominoes fall in the South with this most recent move will be interesting.
I was figuring that the other teams would not, if they could help it, to have UT-Tyler or UTD in the league, being public schools with different academic missions that are also on the fringes of the league geographically. I was also figuring, perhaps mistakenly, that no Texas schools would want to leave the ASC.
DIII prediction- "Most likely to dissappoint- Salisbury"- perhaps it should have been "Most likely to disappoint the Shenandoah fans- Salisbury" Congratulations to the Salisbury team for a great tournament- they clearly deserved to win! They were the better team!!
Quote from: D-BAT on May 22, 2011, 06:33:18 AM
Quote from: bossman on May 21, 2011, 07:06:43 PM
Ultimate choke job by the Hornets today...Starting pitching let em down...too many free passes put them in a hole from the get go in both games...Tough pill to swallow. Good job to Salisbury though...Made enough plays to win
I disagree 100%, some days, your pitching will not be on their A game.
The pitching staff will not be able to be on their A game every outing, just impossible, if so, then the Hornets would of be been undefeated.
SU didn't choke, Salisbury was the better team yesterday and did what they needed to do to win two games.
Congrats SU on a great season and for those SR's who experienced 111 wins over those years, much kudos to you guys and best of luck in your real world journey.
Never said you were going to get your "A" game from your staff every time out...but when it comes down to crunch time and a staff that yields only about 2-2.5 free passes a game goes out and walks 11 batters over a two game span with a trip to Appleton on the line, I think one could say they just didnt perform up to their abilities. With that being said and under the circumstances, one could infer that the staff let them down a bit...
Either way it was a good two game set to watch and Salisbury was better yesterday. They got em on, got em over, and got em in a little better than the Hornets. Good Luck to the SeaGulls in Appleton
How does the closer for Salisbury not make the All Region Team- outrageous!
stats: Drew Baldwin..... W/L 4-2 32 appearances 10 saves 43 innings pitched 14 walks 47 strike outs opposing team batting average .210 MVP of the South Regional Tournament All CAC
One more point about SU's closer- he ranks 5th in the NCAA for saves with 10.
Has any heard anything about where the 2012 regional sites may be played?