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I'd say that's pretty tough.
Nothing like CSS vs. WW and Carthage vs. UWO to get things started.
Wednesday
10 a.m.: St. Thomas vs. Knox
1:15 p.m.: Whitewater vs. St. Scholastica
4:30 p.m.: Carthage vs. Oshkosh
Good news is Dude won't have to skip class to see UWO.
YOW! That's a tough regional. Oddly enough taking Stevens Point AWAY from the regional may have strengthened a bit now that they added Carthage. Whichever way you look at it, I think this (with the exception of lowly Knox) is undoubtedly the most difficult regional in the couple. The Central regional is very tough too though.
Kummet (RHP) or Burg (LHP) for CSS? I'd go with Kummet. Some good LH bats for WW, although WW beat Demmin and lost to Thrun. Hard to judge that. Carthage always crushes fastballs, so Burg might be better in game two. If it's Oshkosh in round two, the Titans have a lot of left-handed bats like CSS does. Burg makes sense there, too. Plus Burg cruised past UWO earlier this year. The drawback is Kummet threw on Saturday, making Burg the preferred choice based on rest.
Dominick (RHP) or Dott (LHP) for WW? Makes sense to have Claugherty, Eller, Gaub, Marshik and Kraushaar face a LHP. Is that the logic or do you go with the more experienced No. 1 (Dominick) no matter what? I'd roll the dice with the younger Dott. Dominick is a nice guy to fall back on in game two.
Demmin (LHP) or Rubens (Perlewitz as a sleeper pick) for UWO? Gotta be Ryno, right? He's been iffy lately, but Acevado could use a LHP coming at him. Acevado will probably hit no matter what, but I'd rather take my chances with a LHP. And Rube is valuable as a reliever for the whole tourney. Rube might pitch in every game but start none of them. Perle, Matson, Kuepper and Hendricks (if UWO makes it to Friday) could eat innings to bridge the gap to Rube in the perfect scenario.
Any doubts that Husing starts for Carthage? I have no doubts about that, but maybe a Carthage fan knows something I don't. Maybe, maybe use Perez to face all of UWO's LH bats, but I highly doubt anyone but Husing goes in game one.
Any reason for St. Thomas to throw Robinson or Schuld against Knox? I think the Tommies plan for the future and start either Fahey or Olson (and maybe even deeper in the staff to Gibbs, Kramer or Bruchu) and save Robinson and Schuld by going with a committee at worst, and a CG from one of those guys at best. If the Toms get away with that, they're sitting pretty.
Knox will probably go with Ball on short rest, although everyone is on short rest for Knox after the gauntlet it went through to win the MWC Pool A. Could be Davis, though.
As much as I'd like to pick Oshkosh to win, I think St. Thomas will beat Whitewater in the final. I'm throwing the first jinx this time. Any other predictions? Anyone doubt that there are five legit contenders? Stacked as usual ...
Point has a tough matchup in the opener down south. Win that one and I like Point's chances for Appleton with Nix against either Augie or Wartburg in game two. I'm assuming Nix doesn't pitch the first game.
I'm surprised people aren't complaining more that UWSP got into an easier regional. I was happy as hell this morning when I seen they don't have to play Carthage, St. Thomas, Oshkosh, or Whitewater. Not saying their regional is a cakewalk but it's nowhere near as tough as the Oshkosh regional IMO.
Oshdude, I'd guess you're right on your assumption Husing will start. He's been Carthage's ace all year, although Ruffie has been equally impressive. Since Chris Krepline went down about a month ago (needs arm surgery), Perez has stepped in and done a nice job in the #3 spot as a freshman for the Redmen. Krepline was a tall hard throwing righty who was having a great year. He played for the first year summer team out of green bay last summer (forget the name) and had a nice season for them as well. Augie and Lechnir going at it in both teams first game, gotta love it!!
5 first things that came to my mind
1. Tough regional as usual
2. STP very happy to be in the central
3. I thought Carthage was given a gift to get the 3 seed after going 5-7 in the last 12 games
4. CSS doesnt get much love again with a 5 seed
5. UST will be able to say their top 3 guys in the first game
Quote from: OshDude on May 12, 2008, 05:19:52 AM
Kummet (RHP) or Burg (LHP) for CSS? I'd go with Kummet. Some good LH bats for WW, although WW beat Demmin and lost to Thrun. Hard to judge that. Carthage always crushes fastballs, so Burg might be better in game two. If it's Oshkosh in round two, the Titans have a lot of left-handed bats like CSS does. Burg makes sense there, too. Plus Burg cruised past UWO earlier this year. The drawback is Kummet threw on Saturday, making Burg the preferred choice based on rest.
Dominick (RHP) or Dott (LHP) for WW? Makes sense to have Claugherty, Eller, Gaub, Marshik and Kraushaar face a LHP. Is that the logic or do you go with the more experienced No. 1 (Dominick) no matter what? I'd roll the dice with the younger Dott. Dominick is a nice guy to fall back on in game two.
Demmin (LHP) or Rubens (Perlewitz as a sleeper pick) for UWO? Gotta be Ryno, right? He's been iffy lately, but Acevado could use a LHP coming at him. Acevado will probably hit no matter what, but I'd rather take my chances with a LHP. And Rube is valuable as a reliever for the whole tourney. Rube might pitch in every game but start none of them. Perle, Matson, Kuepper and Hendricks (if UWO makes it to Friday) could eat innings to bridge the gap to Rube in the perfect scenario.
Any doubts that Husing starts for Carthage? I have no doubts about that, but maybe a Carthage fan knows something I don't. Maybe, maybe use Perez to face all of UWO's LH bats, but I highly doubt anyone but Husing goes in game one.
Any reason for St. Thomas to throw Robinson or Schuld against Knox? I think the Tommies plan for the future and start either Fahey or Olson (and maybe even deeper in the staff to Gibbs, Kramer or Bruchu) and save Robinson and Schuld by going with a committee at worst, and a CG from one of those guys at best. If the Toms get away with that, they're sitting pretty.
Knox will probably go with Ball on short rest, although everyone is on short rest for Knox after the gauntlet it went through to win the MWC Pool A. Could be Davis, though.
As much as I'd like to pick Oshkosh to win, I think St. Thomas will beat Whitewater in the final. I'm throwing the first jinx this time. Any other predictions? Anyone doubt that there are five legit contenders? Stacked as usual ...
Point has a tough matchup in the opener down south. Win that one and I like Point's chances for Appleton with Nix against either Augie or Wartburg in game two. I'm assuming Nix doesn't pitch the first game.
UST- will use a #4 against Knox Probably start Ryan Fahey or Jake Kraemer
UWW- probably goes with Dott, CSS- goes with Burg hes been pitching way than Kummet
Carthage -Husing UWO- Demmin, use Rubens from closer role
A couple of things...
Even though I love the fact UWW is staying in the Oshkosh Regional, I'm sort of suprised that Stevens Point was the WIAC team shipped out to Rock Island.
I guess I thought the same thing when the UWW football team was placed in the North instead of the West last Fall.
Does UWSP get a break by not having to play in the Oshkosh region?
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2008, 08:30:27 AM
3. I thought Carthage was given a gift to get the 3 seed after going 5-7 in the last 12 games
How is a game against the host team a gift?
WOW... Carthage getting shipped out is a shock to me. They were the #2 CCIW team and it only makes sense that the #3 CCIW team should be shipped. Augustana did not get shipped as they are the host for the Central regional. UWO did not get shipped as they are the WIAC's #3 and the host school.
It feels as if it is better to be the #3 school in the WiAC/CCIW than the #2. Both #2s got shipped to different regions.
The pre-determined regional sites clearly had an bearing on the regionals.
That depends who you are for if you are happy to get shipped out. If I am Point, I am happy to go and bring on the central. If I am Carthage, I am not as happy. In the Midwest, with the exception of Knox (no offense, congrats on making the tournament) but the rest of the teams are powerhouses year in and year out.
Quote from: mwunder on May 12, 2008, 12:09:03 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2008, 08:30:27 AM
3. I thought Carthage was given a gift to get the 3 seed after going 5-7 in the last 12 games
How is a game against the host team a gift?
Not talking about who they are playing just their ranking! they should of been 5. Yes UWO is the host but UWW is the best team with STT right behind them. So Im more happy to be playing UWO if Im Carthage then CSS having to play UWW.
Stevens Point gets a huge break not having to play in the Midwest and has to be the favorite to win the Central. Looks like the WIAC could possibly have 2 teams in the world series
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2008, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: mwunder on May 12, 2008, 12:09:03 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2008, 08:30:27 AM
3. I thought Carthage was given a gift to get the 3 seed after going 5-7 in the last 12 games
How is a game against the host team a gift?
Not talking about who they are playing just their ranking! they should of been 5. Yes UWO is the host but UWW is the best team with STT right behind them. So Im more happy to be playing UWO if Im Carthage then CSS having to play UWW.
How can you talk about one and not the other? If Carthage is a 5 as you indicate they should be, then it's not as bad as having to play the host school. As for them being a 5, are you serious? They're 35-8...only 8 teams in DIII have 35 wins or more.
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Stevens Point gets a huge break not having to play in the Midwest and has to be the favorite to win the Central. Looks like the WIAC could possibly have 2 teams in the world series
Wow....talk about making the baseball gods angry! You realize they could just as easily have none.
One has to assume that every #1 seed has to be the favorite to win it's regional. Still, with that being said I think that UWSP caught a break by moving to the Central and Carthage gets unlucky by moving to the Midwest.
The Cathage/UWO and the Whitewater/CSS matchups are going to be great first round games.
As much as I love Point I'm going to not get too far ahead of myself. Let's not forget that Point's success has come at Witter Field and their not going to be there this year. Point tends to play to their level of competition some times which has hurt them during the regular season the past 3 years. What are the field dimensions where they are playing? Like I've said in the past if Point's not hitting home runs they struggle to score because their not the best team at stringing hits together. Let's also not forget that there really are some quality teams in their regional but obviously not as talented as the Midwest regional. I'm going to pick St. Thomas to win the regional primarily because I don't believe anyone will be hitting Lonnie Robinson any time soon. If Nix can perform like he did against Whitewater I'll pick Point in their regional but if he doesn't than I'll take Wartburg.
Quote from: mwunder on May 12, 2008, 02:13:22 PM
How can you talk about one and not the other? If Carthage is a 5 as you indicate they should be, then it's not as bad as having to play the host school. As for them being a 5, are you serious? They're 35-8...only 8 teams in DIII have 35 wins or more.
Wow....talk about making the baseball gods angry! You realize they could just as easily have none.
Dude I was just talking about the seed thats all give it a rest, they are not as good as UWO or CSS. Overall record doesnt mean that much, CSS and STT would have 35 wins too if they played all their games. They enter the regional going 5-7 in their last 12, hardly the sign of a 3rd seed.
I dont know what that last quote means either just saying they have the potential to get 2 teams since they are in 2 different conferences. Heck I hope they get none
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2008, 02:18:23 PM
One has to assume that every #1 seed has to be the favorite to win it's regional. Still, with that being said I think that UWSP caught a break by moving to the Central and Carthage gets unlucky by moving to the Midwest.
The Cathage/UWO and the Whitewater/CSS matchups are going to be great first round games.
Agreed! And two good matchups early
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2008, 12:27:50 PM
WOW... Carthage getting shipped out is a shock to me. They were the #2 CCIW team and it only makes sense that the #3 CCIW team should be shipped. Augustana did not get shipped as they are the host for the Central regional. UWO did not get shipped as they are the WIAC's #3 and the host school.
It feels as if it is better to be the #3 school in the WiAC/CCIW than the #2. Both #2s got shipped to different regions.
The pre-determined regional sites clearly had an bearing on the regionals.
It's maybe comparing apples and volleyball, but the Whitewater women won the WIAC regular season and the WIAC tourney, were the No. 2 ranked team in the region and were still shipped to St. Thomas (the other regional was down the road in Kenosha). Even after that movement, two WIAC teams faced each other in the opening round.
I think the movement among the regions is for competitive balance. It appeared that way in volleyball anyway. Read whatever you want into the NCAA's thinking about which was made stronger or weaker. I don't really know which region got a break in the swap, but others may have an opinion. But I think that's why the move was made.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2008, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: mwunder on May 12, 2008, 12:09:03 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2008, 08:30:27 AM
3. I thought Carthage was given a gift to get the 3 seed after going 5-7 in the last 12 games
How is a game against the host team a gift?
Not talking about who they are playing just their ranking! they should of been 5. Yes UWO is the host but UWW is the best team with STT right behind them. So Im more happy to be playing UWO if Im Carthage then CSS having to play UWW.
Stevens Point gets a huge break not having to play in the Midwest and has to be the favorite to win the Central. Looks like the WIAC could possibly have 2 teams in the world series
I'm not so sure Point is the favorite to win its first game.
Hey Oshdude, how many teams ended up being shipped out of their own region? and how many are flying? I figured you might know and this way I dont have to look up every team to see their exact location. Thanks if you dont know thats alright
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2008, 07:27:44 PM
Hey Oshdude, how many teams ended up being shipped out of their own region? and how many are flying? I figured you might know and this way I dont have to look up every team to see their exact location. Thanks if you dont know thats alright
Flights (5): Linfield, Chapman, George Fox, East Bay, La Verne.
There were five flights last year as well.Movers ( 8 ): Carthage, Johns Hopkins, Grove City, Ohio Wesleyan, ECSU, Montclair, Stevens Point, Linfield (I just eyeballed those. May have missed one).
Last year there were three movers, by my count.
If you have never been to EJ, I replied to a question on the CCIW board detailing the field.
As for fans, I advise you to set up camp far down the third base side, where there are no pipes, fences or screens to obstruct your view. The other seats provide cover (and poorer sight lines) or are directly behind the plate (and traffic in front of you), but trust me. The far reaches of the third base line is where it's at. Either that or the first row, and all the way to the right, of the one section of seating next to the first base dugout. You'll thank me later.
Please save me a seat. You can have it right back as I shuttle back and forth to class.
Saw on the coaches' info link on the regional page that Knox and Whitewater don't have a scheduled Tuesday practice at UWO's home field. The other four do. School conflicts for Knox and WW? Hard to imagine UWO wouldn't have the field available before 3 p.m., when the first team, Oshkosh, is scheduled for practice.
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2008, 12:32:37 AM
Saw on the coaches' info link on the regional page that Knox and Whitewater don't have a scheduled Tuesday practice at UWO's home field. The other four do. School conflicts for Knox and WW? Hard to imagine UWO wouldn't have the field available before 3 p.m., when the first team, Oshkosh, is scheduled for practice.
Some teams just choose to not practice at the field. They might have practice schedule at another field so they can get their entire practice in. Since you only get an hour, its only enough time to do some infield/outfield work and cant get any BP in. 1 or 2 teams did it last year as well
School conflicts could be a problem as well
Augustana's field is 325 down the lines and 395 to center. I don't remember for sure what it is in the gaps (370 or 375 I think). It is a great complex and is only 5 years old. The field is great. It has a great atmosphere for baseball. Here are some pics.
http://www.augustana.edu/x3976.xml
http://www.augustana.edu/x3977.xml
http://www.augustana.edu/x3980.xml
"Dude I was just talking about the seed thats all give it a rest, they are not as good as UWO or CSS."
The second part of that statement caught my attention. Have you seen all 3 teams play? If so then I guess you are qualified to make that statement. Obviously all 3 teams are top tier, but to say Carthage isn't as good as those two teams after winning 20 something in a row last year and advancing to the WS, and winning 24 in a row this year, I just think that's not a very smart thing to guess or assume. Momentum plays a huge part in baseball, and with seniors Krepline and Baitinger going down (Baitinger is now back playing with a brace on his wrist) that was a big blow to the the Redmen that took a while to adjust to. You may very well be right that UWO and CSS are better than Carthage, but I'd wait til this weekend to make that statement, especially basing it on the last 2 weeks of the season.
Quote from: knarocky22 on May 13, 2008, 10:49:48 AM
Augustana's field is 325 down the lines and 395 to center. I don't remember for sure what it is in the gaps (370 or 375 I think). It is a great complex and is only 5 years old. The field is great. It has a great atmosphere for baseball. Here are some pics.
http://www.augustana.edu/x3976.xml
http://www.augustana.edu/x3977.xml
http://www.augustana.edu/x3980.xml
Nice looking facility. Not much different down the lines from Wittier Field (5 feet) but center is about 20 feet deeper (375 ft - Wittier) and if the gaps are 370-375 ft they'll be deeper to. Point definitely benefits when the fences are short.
Quote from: REDMENFAN on May 13, 2008, 11:14:27 AM
"Dude I was just talking about the seed thats all give it a rest, they are not as good as UWO or CSS."
The second part of that statement caught my attention. Have you seen all 3 teams play? If so then I guess you are qualified to make that statement. Obviously all 3 teams are top tier, but to say Carthage isn't as good as those two teams after winning 20 something in a row last year and advancing to the WS, and winning 24 in a row this year, I just think that's not a very smart thing to guess or assume. Momentum plays a huge part in baseball, and with seniors Krepline and Baitinger going down (Baitinger is now back playing with a brace on his wrist) that was a big blow to the the Redmen that took a while to adjust to. You may very well be right that UWO and CSS are better than Carthage, but I'd wait til this weekend to make that statement, especially basing it on the last 2 weeks of the season.
I apologize you are right I might be making assumptions, I havent seen Carthage play but have seen all the MIAC/WIAC/UMAC play...Big win streaks are nice, but when there isnt much competitiion in those games its not as impressive (Take Hawaii in football). I hope Carthage beats Oshkosh (sorry Oshdude) so I hope they are as good as you say they are
Time for some predictions
UST vs Knox--------UST
UST vs Carthage---UST
UWW vs CSS-------CSS UST vs UWO----UST
CSS vs UWO--------UWO
Carthage vs UWO-UWO UST vs UWW-----UST
Losers bracket
UWW vs Knox-----UWW
UWW vs CSS-----UWW
UWW vs UWO---UWW
Hopefully everyone can follow my bracket--in the end I think it will be St. Thomas
I dont see CSS getting past UWW. I think itll be between UST and UWW for who moves on.
QuoteIt's maybe comparing apples and volleyball, but the Whitewater women won the WIAC regular season and the WIAC tourney, were the No. 2 ranked team in the region and were still shipped to St. Thomas (the other regional was down the road in Kenosha). Even after that movement, two WIAC teams faced each other in the opening round.
IMO, Whitewater got a very lucky break going to St. Thomas, which was a very tough region but not as tough as Carthage was.
Which, with that being said, Whitewater was able to survive St. Thomas, and lose in the Championship game to Wash U. (who barely beat Oshkosh in the second round).
So if the end of this Baseball season is going to be anything like Volleyball, I guess you might like Point's chance of playing for a Championship. Is Point a strong enough team to make it that far? I don't know.
But the UWO regional is a classic example of whoever wins that region will be the most prepared to go the rest of the way and win it all.
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on May 13, 2008, 03:02:35 PM
But the UWO regional is a classic example of whoever wins that region will be the most prepared to go the rest of the way and win it all.
...or will have spent the most energy and not have enough in the tank for the World Series.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2008, 01:20:16 PM
Quote from: REDMENFAN on May 13, 2008, 11:14:27 AM
"Dude I was just talking about the seed thats all give it a rest, they are not as good as UWO or CSS."
The second part of that statement caught my attention. Have you seen all 3 teams play? If so then I guess you are qualified to make that statement. Obviously all 3 teams are top tier, but to say Carthage isn't as good as those two teams after winning 20 something in a row last year and advancing to the WS, and winning 24 in a row this year, I just think that's not a very smart thing to guess or assume. Momentum plays a huge part in baseball, and with seniors Krepline and Baitinger going down (Baitinger is now back playing with a brace on his wrist) that was a big blow to the the Redmen that took a while to adjust to. You may very well be right that UWO and CSS are better than Carthage, but I'd wait til this weekend to make that statement, especially basing it on the last 2 weeks of the season.
I apologize you are right I might be making assumptions, I havent seen Carthage play but have seen all the MIAC/WIAC/UMAC play...Big win streaks are nice, but when there isnt much competitiion in those games its not as impressive (Take Hawaii in football). I hope Carthage beats Oshkosh (sorry Oshdude) so I hope they are as good as you say they are
Don't be. If anything, your hope is based in logic. Carthage is the favorite with Husing on the mound. If Rubens were to start, that would be different. But I think Demmin starts tomorrow with Rube in perpetual relief. UWO needs Ryno to gut one out and go deep. If he throws, that is.
If you're in WI, I'm sure it's windy where you are today. Wunderground says it will be windy tomorrow, too. If my compass is correct, the predicted NW midday winds will blow toward the RF gap or straight-away CF. *Gulp* (Again, IF my compass is correct, and I'm no geography major). Decent chance of rain on Friday and Saturday, according to Wunderground.
OshDude,
I was hoping you would be able to enlighten me on the dimensions of EJ Schneider field such as dimensions of the ballpark (I didnt see it on the regional website). Sounds like a great place, wish I could make it to watch.
Quote from: dukes on May 13, 2008, 05:31:00 PM
OshDude,
I was hoping you would be able to enlighten me on the dimensions of EJ Schneider field such as dimensions of the ballpark (I didnt see it on the regional website). Sounds like a great place, wish I could make it to watch.
I wrote a bit about it here.
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4399.2295 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4399.2295)
Potential audio links. The only one I'm 99% positive will be there is CSS. Worth a shot anyway. Add to it if you have other potential audio options. I'm assuming everyone knows live stats are available from the regional site.
CSS: http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp (http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp)
UWO: http://www.1490wosh.com/ (http://www.1490wosh.com/)
WW: http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp)
UWO (student): http://www.uwosh.edu/wrst/index.php (http://www.uwosh.edu/wrst/index.php)
WW (student): http://www.wsuw.org/ (http://www.wsuw.org/)
Mr. Downtown could confirm or deny the UWO student one.
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2008, 05:46:50 PM
Potential audio links. The only one I'm 99% positive will be there is CSS. Worth a shot anyway. Add to it if you have other potential audio options. I'm assuming everyone knows live stats are available from the regional site.
CSS: http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp (http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp)
UWO: http://www.1490wosh.com/ (http://www.1490wosh.com/)
WW: http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp)
UWO (student): http://www.uwosh.edu/wrst/index.php (http://www.uwosh.edu/wrst/index.php)
WW (student): http://www.wsuw.org/ (http://www.wsuw.org/)
Mr. Downtown could confirm or deny the UWO student one.
CSS will be there. Can always find them through the link below and click listen live before game time, they usually do a pre-game show. This is a just a quicker way to get to it, Oshdudes link will get you there also
http://www.fan560.com/main.php
I am planning on being a horrible teacher tomorrow and listening to the games in my classroom while my students work. I have even converted a few west coast Chapman siblings into Carthage fans! Teaching and coaching in the middle of Chapman territory (8 miles from the campus) makes it tough to hear about any other d3 program in the nation. I have no idea of what i would do without this site!
Quote from: Slinger45 on May 13, 2008, 02:46:49 PM
I dont see CSS getting past UWW. I think itll be between UST and UWW for who moves on.
Yea I agree thats why I have both those teams playing each other. I think CSS might get past them with Burg and they play solid defense. Burg has been perfect this year with solid wins over UWO, UST, Alvernia.
Its going to be some good baseball though
I would agree, along with two of the last three years CSS has beaten very talented Point teams in the first round.
I would assume CSS would start Burg also and then have Kummet in the pen if they need him for the first day.
Do you think UWW will start Dott, for the lefty matchups of CSS hitters, or Dominick as they did to start the WIAC tourney?
Quote from: dukes on May 13, 2008, 07:44:41 PM
I would agree, along with two of the last three years CSS has beaten very talented Point teams in the first round.
I would assume CSS would start Burg also and then have Kummet in the pen if they need him for the first day.
Do you think UWW will start Dott, for the lefty matchups of CSS hitters, or Dominick as they did to start the WIAC tourney?
CSS-I would be shocked if Burg didnt start. Kummet out of the pen for maybe an inning or 2. They need Kummet in their next game. Burg is pretty efficient and throws with ease so expect him to go 9.
UWW- I think the smart move is to go with Dott to face CSSs 5 lefties
Has anyone else had the thought of Oshkosh-Point in the World Series final with a bench clearing brawl ? Then Point wins the title goes immediately to Hooter's to pick up some chicks and party at the Paper Valley Hotel. I don't care what happens as long as Point makes the World Series.
St. Thomas is indeed going with Fahey to start against Knox.... Knox will counter with Davis however instead of Ball.
Oshkosh Regional Live Stats:
http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/livestats3/xlive.htm
UST leading Knox 8-0
10-0 now
R H E
Knox 1 4 7
UST 15 17 0
Ouch 7 errors
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 14, 2008, 01:09:50 PM
R H E
Knox 1 4 7
UST 15 17 0
Ouch 7 errors
Is that a final? Not that it matters much.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2008, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 14, 2008, 01:09:50 PM
R H E
Knox 1 4 7
UST 15 17 0
Ouch 7 errors
Is that a final? Not that it matters much.
Yea its a final.
Chris Bullis was 2-4 with a 3-run HR
Matt Pexa 4-5
Eric Fleming 3-5
Ryan Fahey W 7ip 0 runs, 3 hits, 3 Ks, 0 BBs
CSS and UWW are now on the radio! For anyone who has nothing better to do at work or has the day off enjoy Saints radio broadcast. click listen live at the top of the website
http://www.fan560.com/main.php
UWW up 2-0 after one. Both runs unearned after 2 errors. Both pitchers have thrown a lot of pitches so far.
UWW up 3-0 after 5. Zalnis solo HR in 3rd
3-0 after Zalnis BOMB.
"He looks like a strong human being." -CSS announcer of Zalnis.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 14, 2008, 03:20:51 PM
3-0 after Zalnis BOMB.
"He looks like a strong human being." -CSS announcer of Zalnis.
Yea they said it went of the roof of a two story apartment building.
CSS makes it 3-1 with a run in the top of 6 on an RBI double by Claugherty (3-3 on the day). Still top of 6 with runners on 1st & 3rd with 1 out.
This lead announcer is great:
"Theres a long drive! Theres a tree! And its over the tree and over the fence!"
CSS 4 UWW 3 lewis 3r hr
3-run HR for Lewis, and CSS now leads 4-3.... I wonder if Dott is auditioning for a spot with the Brewers, since they always seem to struggle in the middle innings.
Mike Lewis hits a 3 run homer for the Saints to make it 4-3...not surprising to hear him hit a homer after his blast he hit off Zimmerman last year.
Got to wonder what both coaches are going to do, pitchers have been throwing a lot of pitches. Maybe see Kummet and Dominick
Never count out CSS in the first round...what a game so far. Both pitchers getting hit but still doing enough not to make it a blow out
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 14, 2008, 03:37:18 PM
This lead announcer is great:
"Theres a long drive! Theres a tree! And its over the tree and over the fence!"
CSS 4 UWW 3 lewis 3r hr
Haha yea his homerun call always changes...I just liked his recap of national scores "Heidelberg takes a BITE out of Translyvania 10-3"
Dott is out Reik in!
The sixth inning has been a tough one for Dott his last two games.....6 runs allowed vs. UWSP and now 4 against CSS. In the UWSP game, it wasn't all Dott's fault. Vodenlich left Dott in way too long. I'll bet he threw 30-some pitches in the sixth inning alone. Not sure if that has any connection to what's happening today.
Zalnis hits a 3 run homer on a 3-0 count to right field up 6-4
sounds like the short fences and the wind played a factor in that bomb
UWW adds another solo bomb by Trepanier. Sounded wind aided again as it was hit out to right. Going to the top of 9 7-4
Quote from: bigbadbaseballman on May 14, 2008, 04:14:39 PM
sounds like the short fences and the wind played a factor in that bomb
solid outing for berg. Poor defense and a couple "home runs" hurt the CSS...7,8,9 coming up for CSS.
End of 8; UWW 7, CSS 4.
Good signal from "560 The FAN"
CSS up to bat in the top of the 9th.
AMDRO Ant Block commerical on the Duluth radio station on May 14th? ???
Global warming...
I agree about the wind-aided HR!
6-4-3 DP. One out remaining.
I dont want to stir up the short fence WIAC field topic but....
It's a final... UW-W 7 CSS 4
The way I see it is both teams played on the same field with the same wind factor, and its not like UWW has played at that field all year.
I thought UWW capitalized better on their chances. Two at bats that killed CSS was Carlson swinging at a first pitch against a brand new pitcher with runners on 1st and 3rd to end the inning.
The second was marshik grounding into a DP, that basically killed their chances to get it to Claugherty who was on fire.
Yeah, it can be frustrating when good pitches go for homeruns due to either the wind or a short fence. I knew the field was short in left by OshDudes description, but I thought right field was longer? And the wind cant be controlled anywhere I suppose.
I was surprised to see the few errors for CSS as they are as skilled defensively. As with all regional games, a few key plays can make the difference and any of the top teams can win games.
Is there an audio feed for the Carthage/ UWO game?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2008, 05:22:46 PM
Is there an audio feed for the Carthage/ UWO game?
You could try these for any of the games, not sure if they will work (from Oshdude)
CSS: http://www.csssaints.com/Sports/gen/2007/Webcast.asp
UWO: http://www.1490wosh.com/
WW: http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
UWO (student): http://www.uwosh.edu/wrst/index.php
WW (student): http://www.wsuw.org/
Thanks. The student link is working.
Stevens Point gets out of a BIG JAM in the top of the ninth against Linfield.
With the game tied 1-1, Linfield loads the bases with nobody out. The next batter flies out to left and replacement Joel Hojnacki throws out the go ahead run at the plate for the double play. The next batter files out to center to end the inning.
Carthage up 5-3 on UWO in the 6th.
Linfield blows a chance in the Top of the 10th as well.....
Linfield has a man on third with one out and decides to attempt a suicide squeeze. The batter pops it up to the third baseman, who then doubles up the runner on third.
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2008, 06:52:25 PM
Linfield blows a chance in the Top of the 10th as well.....
Linfield has a man on third with one out and decides to attempt a suicide squeeze. The batter pops it up to the third baseman, who then doubles up the runner on third.
Teams that execute in crucial situations win big games. Looks like Linfield may have shot themselves in the foot today.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2008, 06:14:30 PM
Thanks. The student link is working.
They need some work.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2008, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2008, 06:52:25 PM
Linfield blows a chance in the Top of the 10th as well.....
Linfield has a man on third with one out and decides to attempt a suicide squeeze. The batter pops it up to the third baseman, who then doubles up the runner on third.
Teams that execute in crucial situations win big games. Looks like Linfield may have shot themselves in the foot today.
Agree. The 'Cats had two PRIME chances to bust it open in the 9th and 10th. Coming through the losers bracket after the first game is a damn hard thing to do.
Credit to the Pointers for making the plays to pull it out.
Quote from: mwunder on May 14, 2008, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2008, 06:14:30 PM
Thanks. The student link is working.
They need some work.
I agree. It is like listening to two junior high buddies narrate a video game. Still, it is much better than no game at all.
Point takes step one in their quest for Appleton....
In the bottom of the tenth Point gets runners on second and third with one out following a sac bunt. Linfield decides on an intentional walk to Schiedler to load the bases and set up the double play, even though it means facing Coe. Coe responds with a RBI single to score the winning run.
Point 2
Linfield 1 FINAL/10 innings
-Thrun goes 8.0+ solid innings, and Zielke comes in and gets out of two jams to get the win.
Point will now face the winner of Augustana/Wartburg tomorrow at 7:00 pm.
Sorry guys.... Just noticed I posted the updates in the wrong thread..... I thought I was on the WIAC page..... :-[
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2008, 07:14:03 PM
Sorry guys.... Just noticed I posted the updates in the wrong thread..... I thought I was on the WIAC page..... :-[
No problem. Many of us are interested in both the Central and Midwest regions anyway.
What is the Oshkosh score? Live update is frozen for me at 5-3 CC starting the bottom of the sixth
Quote from: Barber Greene on May 14, 2008, 07:27:01 PM
What is the Oshkosh score? Live update is frozen for me at 5-3 CC starting the bottom of the sixth
6-3, bottom of the 8th
It's been a great pitcher's duel for the most part....
It was 5-3 after three innings, and stayed that way up until Kannenberg's error in the 8th to make it 6-3.
Huising really had one bad inning, which cost him two runs, while Demmin had one bad inning, which cost him four runs, ALL of which came after he retired the first two batters in the inning.
Rough week for Kannenberg....
-Boots a DP ball in the WIAC Tournament aginst Whitewater which allows the winning run to score and eliminates UWO.
-Commits another error in the opening round of the Regional which allows Carthage to extend their lead from 5-3 to 6-3.
-Goes 0x4 at the plate with 3 K's....
Why do I have feeling he will have a BIG game tomorrow against St. Thomas at 1:00 pm? I guess we'll see....
Carthage wins 6-3. Complete game for Husing.
so much for predictions....
Carthage 6
Oshkosh 3
Quote from: mwunder on May 14, 2008, 07:45:35 PM
so much for predictions....
Care to elaborate?
If you are talking about the post that said the WIAC could possibly put two teams in the World Series, I don't see what the issue is. Not that it matters, but he isn't even a WIAC guy. So the WIAC went 2-1 the first day of the tournament instead of 3-0. It happens. Who knows, if Wartburg beats Augustana tonight, the CCIW is 1-2, with their #1 seed taking a loss.
Regardless, you really come across like an ass right now..... ::)
Am I missing something? I though Point and Whitewater both got W'S today. I thought the WIAC was 2-1.
Thats why they are called predictions and not what actually happens because if it was I would be the richest person alive haha....yes the WIAC are 2-1
Looks like some of the best players showed up today with nice days
Zalnis
Claugherty
Bullis
Pexa
Demmin
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2008, 07:47:49 PM
Quote from: mwunder on May 14, 2008, 07:45:35 PM
so much for predictions....
Care to elaborate?
Regardless, you really come across like an ass right now..... ::)
Opinions are like buttholes....everyone has one and they all stink. Regardless, of your OPINION about how I came across...I will elaborate since you asked.
I'm not the one who said that Carthage should be a 5 seed, said that Carthage was not as good as UWO and CSS (who both lost today). Not predictions here...statements.
I also wasn't arrogant enough to predict the entire Midwest region and go 1 or 3 (tough to get the first one wrong when Knox isn't even a .500 team).
Elaborate enough?
Quote from: mwunder on May 14, 2008, 09:04:47 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2008, 07:47:49 PM
Quote from: mwunder on May 14, 2008, 07:45:35 PM
so much for predictions....
Care to elaborate?
Regardless, you really come across like an ass right now..... ::)
Opinions are like buttholes....everyone has one and they all stink. Regardless, of your OPINION about how I came across...I will elaborate since you asked.
I'm not the one who said that Carthage should be a 5 seed, said that Carthage was not as good as UWO and CSS (who both lost today). Not predictions here...statements.
I also wasn't arrogant enough to predict the entire Midwest region and go 1 or 3 (tough to get the first one wrong when Knox isn't even a .500 team).
Elaborate enough?
Hey have you ever filled out an NCAA basketball tourney--maybe not but wow thats pretty arrogant of the millions that due! I did it for fun and thought others might join in but guess not. Based on their resume they should of been a 5, doesnt mean they suck and will go 0-2. Thats all I stated which is my opinion. I predicted/guessed the region for fun and I most likely will lose minutes of sleep over going 1-2 and not being perfect since I knew I was going to be exactly right.
Talk about someone that cant let it go, enjoy your teams win and move on!
Yes, the WIAC did go 2-1 today. As I think everyone would expect, the games that were predicted were close, and easily could have gone either way.
Of course it is easy to look back and make statements...the games are already played. I applaud those who make predictions, as they are based on the knowledge of those teams and looking ahead, and they are fun to see. Dont be mean and make fun of someones predictions, but you are more than welcome to make some of your own with the support for them. They are fun to read, and isnt that part of the fun of these boards? Maybe just my opinion...besides, if you are like OshDude you hope people pick your team to lose so to not jinx them :)
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2008, 07:00:19 PM
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Thanks. The student link is working.
They need some work.
I agree. It is like listening to two junior high buddies narrate a video game. Still, it is much better than no game at all.
Its a new generation of broadcasters at UWO. Also, Baseball broadcasts were brought back last year after a long hiatus. I'm sure they'll turn the corner and get better (or at least I hope so).
Seeing that I have been trying to land myself a full-time broadcasting gig, I haven't been paying much attention to the baseball side of things, and I noticed that today David Hermes hit a home run for Carthage. I started next to him in Centerfield back in our Fort Atkinson days, and I never played beside someone who had his power and came through in the clutch. Always had a positive attitude, and always came to play. Honestly one of my favorite teammates I ever had during my playing days, and I'm glad he had some success today. Way to go David!
Again, I hope the broadcasters are better tomorrow. I know if I was on the call, and got comments like that, I would be on my A-game the next time.
Then again, Wisconsin Folks are used to Uecker and Powell, which doesn't get much better then that in the booth.
So are we looking at a Robinson-Rubens matchup tomorrow with USt and UWO?? Both guys posted shutouts in the DH split earlier this year (at 6:45am!!). Looks/sounds like Rubens doesn't get a lot of starts but when he does he makes the most of them. Only 37k in 83 innings is a little surprising for a guy with his record and era; Robinson is the exact opposite, 66k in 55 innings.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 14, 2008, 09:51:16 PM
So are we looking at a Robinson-Rubens matchup tomorrow with USt and UWO?? Both guys posted shutouts in the DH split earlier this year (at 6:45am!!). Looks/sounds like Rubens doesn't get a lot of starts but when he does he makes the most of them. Only 37k in 83 innings is a little surprising for a guy with his record and era; Robinson is the exact opposite, 66k in 55 innings.
I would agree Robinson vs Rubens for UST/UWO, Dominick vs Ruffie for UWW/Carthage, Lanari/Gerten vs Knox try to save Kummet for next game possibly
Quote from: ShineTime on May 14, 2008, 08:47:15 PM
Am I missing something? I though Point and Whitewater both got W'S today. I thought the WIAC was 2-1.
I'm an idiot...... I edited my previous post. Sorry Guys!!!!! :-[
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 14, 2008, 09:15:27 PM
Based on their resume they should of been a 5, doesnt mean they suck and will go 0-2.
Another stupid statement....people who know a hell of a lot more than you said they should be a 3 and they proved that today, but you're too arrogant to admit that you were wrong. It's one thing to stand behind your comments, but when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's probably a duck. And, by the way, you did say that Carthage would go 0-2, but did stop short of saying they sucked. Good restraint on your part.
Quote from: dukes on May 14, 2008, 09:16:32 PM
I applaud those who make predictions, as they are based on the knowledge of those teams
You must love watching Terry, Boomer, and Howie every Sunday before kick-off too right? Seriously, no one calls them out when they're so off base, so, you're right, why should I do it here.
I'm sorry baseballfan...it won't happen again.
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on May 14, 2008, 09:34:12 PM
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Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2008, 06:14:30 PM
Thanks. The student link is working.
They need some work.
I agree. It is like listening to two junior high buddies narrate a video game. Still, it is much better than no game at all.
Its a new generation of broadcasters at UWO. Also, Baseball broadcasts were brought back last year after a long hiatus. I'm sure they'll turn the corner and get better (or at least I hope so).
Seeing that I have been trying to land myself a full-time broadcasting gig, I haven't been paying much attention to the baseball side of things, and I noticed that today David Hermes hit a home run for Carthage. I started next to him in Centerfield back in our Fort Atkinson days, and I never played beside someone who had his power and came through in the clutch. Always had a positive attitude, and always came to play. Honestly one of my favorite teammates I ever had during my playing days, and I'm glad he had some success today. Way to go David!
Again, I hope the broadcasters are better tomorrow. I know if I was on the call, and got comments like that, I would be on my A-game the next time.
Then again, Wisconsin Folks are used to Uecker and Powell, which doesn't get much better then that in the booth.
Actually, it seemed like more than two guys were calling the game. I realize it's student radio, but take a little pride in your work. Go talk to the SID's from each school and get proper pronunciation for tough names (or listen to the PA announcer), keep a book, take notes, etc...Also, the score is always announced with the larger number first. I don't know how many times I heard today.."the Titans trail the Red Men 3-5."
That being said, there was at least one kid who did a really good job and was easy on the ears. He wasn't a total homer, gave the count and the situation pretty regularly, and actually praised Husing from time to time. He's probably a former player who knows the game well or listens to Powell (Uecker is terrible at calling a game if you really listen).
The Robinson-Rubens matchup (hopefully) will be a good one. Does anybody else think that the 6 team format isnt the greatest? I know UWO lost the first game, but now they only need to win 2 games in a row to make the championship? Of all the teams that lost the first day, I think it favors them the most.
Dominick and Ruffie would make sense for that game. I am not sure how I would approach the CSS vs Knox game. On the one hand, I think you definitely throw off (maybe 3,4,5 pitchers--obviously with a short leash) but also do you really risk not throwing one of your aces in Kummet. I suppose you have to look at the big picture, and if you dont win the tourney, 2nd place doesnt matter. Either way you have to hope the bats come alive so you only burn one pitcher.
On a side note...you are right mwunder, and those NFL analysts make a lot more money and have a lot more research than our "best guesses", and they are lucky to be .500 on predictions!
And in regards to the broadcasts, at least they are nice to hear. So far, I would say the Scholastica probably has the best flow and most interesting commentary.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2008, 09:08:05 AM
UST- will use a #4 against Knox Probably start Ryan Fahey
UWW- probably goes with Dott, CSS- goes with Burg hes been pitching way than Kummet
Carthage -Husing UWO- Demmin, use Rubens from closer role
Well I was wrong they deserve a 3 seed!!! Im glad Carthage won! I guess I dont know what you want from me, part the red sea, walk on water, or come up with some lame-o sayings.
Well to show Im not 'stupid' take a look at who i said would be starting, oh wait i was right!
I wouldnt bash other peoples picks when you dont do it yourself. Well hopefully you can bring something purposeful to the board
Oshdude did you make it to all the games today or just Oshkosh? If you did how did all the teams look
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2008, 07:45:01 PM
Rough week for Kannenberg....
-Boots a DP ball in the WIAC Tournament aginst Whitewater which allows the winning run to score and eliminates UWO.
-Commits another error in the opening round of the Regional which allows Carthage to extend their lead from 5-3 to 6-3.
-Goes 0x4 at the plate with 3 K's....
Why do I have feeling he will have a BIG game tomorrow against St. Thomas at 1:00 pm? I guess we'll see....
And he broke the back window of a car with a foul ball. Never saw a truck window destroyed like that before.
mwunder-
So are you saying BaseballFan was totally off base with his prediction?
I'll take an impartial look at things.....
1. Carthage went 5-7 over their last 12 games. While they did put together a great streak to start the season, it didn't appear they were playing their best ball towards the end of the season.
2. Injuries.... Carthage lost arguably their #1 or #2 pitcher Chris Krepline. That is going to hurt any team to lose one of their top guns. Add in another injury to their starting CF and lead-off hitter Boe Baitinger (the guy who gets on base to set the table for the meat of the order.) There had to be questions on how his wrist injury would affect his play.
While it turned out today that Carthage showed they were worthy of a Top 3 seed, I don't think it was "off-base" to say that they received a pretty good seed with how they finished the season. I honestly believe that BOTH Oshkosh (3-3 in their last six games) and Carthage benefitted from their strong conferences, and Scholastica was hurt by their weak schedule.
In the end, do I think Scholastica deserved a better seed than Carthage or Oshkosh? No.....
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 14, 2008, 10:34:09 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2008, 09:08:05 AM
UST- will use a #4 against Knox Probably start Ryan Fahey
UWW- probably goes with Dott, CSS- goes with Burg hes been pitching way than Kummet
Carthage -Husing UWO- Demmin, use Rubens from closer role
Well I was wrong they deserve a 3 seed!!! Im glad Carthage won! I guess I dont know what you want from me, part the red sea, walk on water, or come up with some lame-o sayings.
Well to show Im not 'stupid' take a look at who i said would be starting, oh wait i was right!
I wouldnt bash other peoples picks when you dont do it yourself. Well hopefully you can bring something purposeful to the board
I'm not arrogant enough to think that I know all there is to know about the Midwest region and the teams that are participating in the tourney...so I won't make any stupid predictions that are worthless to even the person who made them. Nice call on the starting pitchers though...you've redeemed yourself in my eyes.
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2008, 10:43:05 PM
mwunder-
So are you saying BaseballFan was totally off base with his prediction?
No, I'm saying that his
statement about Carthage being a 5 seed was flat out dumb. If they'd gone 2 and out in the CCIW tourney, then maybe they deserve a 4, but look at the rest of the field before you stick your foot in your mouth. No 5 seed had more than 32 wins and all of them had double digit losses except for CSS who was 32-4.
As far as his predictions go...they weren't too hot either, but then again...who really cares right?
ok its finally settled
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 14, 2008, 10:35:35 PM
Oshdude did you make it to all the games today or just Oshkosh? If you did how did all the teams look
Yeah, I busted tail in and out of exams today. I missed the 3rd-5th innings of WW/CSS.
Random thoughts from Day 1:
GAME 1
--Bullis's 3-run homer to right was the farthest I ever I saw a ball hit to RF at EJ. It landed in the middle of the road, for crying out loud. I estimate it was 435-ish.
--The wind was blowing out to CF, and for whatever reason the ball was jumping to RF. That's very rare at EJ.
--I wanted to give the Knox SS a hug, in an understanding kind of way. He booted three grounders, couldn't catch a line drive (justly ruled a hit) and threw one in the dugout on a routine play. Rough day to say the least for that kid.
--Fahey was a machine. He probably went ball-one to two or three guys in 7 IP. Great mix as well.
--Dan Leslie made four
great plays at 3B. McQuillan and Boland both flashed the leather as well.
--the Knox SP threw about 73 mph.
--Knox's Paul Bennett could start for any team in the MW. Very impressed with him.
--If you didn't know, St. Thomas is really, really good ;).
GAME 2 (I missed a few innings while taking a final, but I only missed two runs)
--Zalnis's go-ahead opposite field 3-run HR was crushed about 400 feet. He is a strong human, indeed. Never would have predicted so many RF smashes. An update on my previous dimension "misrememberings": It's 318 to LF, 402 to CF and 346 to RF.
--After that HR, a WW player, referencing Lewis's earlier go-ahead 3-run bomb, said "I bet that one hurt more!" Ouch ...
--CSS seemed like it shut 'er down after that HR. Sucked all the air out of that side. That'll happen, I guess.
--Reik was lights out.
GAME 3
--Like Cubs pointed out, UWO couldn't get off the field. That 4-spot was hard to watch (for me). I think it was bases empty and two out that inning, too. The McGuire 2-run 2B changed everything, including Husing, or so it appeared.
--Husing was strug-gling through two. I've seen him a handful of times before, and I don't think he had his best stuff. A more knowledgable Carthage fan could deny that. After that 4-spot, he started dealing even if he was laboring. I don't know ... he just made big pitches when he had to. His slider got him through a gutty, gutty outing. After the 2nd inning, I didn't think Husing would see the 5th. In many ways that start was better than the ones I've seen where he dominated. Awfully impressive 9 IP.
--The play on which Kanny committed the error was after Leighton backhanded a smash three steps on the LF grass and threw an off-balance dart from his knees before falling down. Just a strange play. If Kanny didn't get a glove on it, it would have hit him in the knee.
--The strangest play was a 7-8 putout in the bottom of the 8th. I'll try my best ... the UWO LF and CF went to the wall on a for-sure 2B off the L-C wall. The LF did his best Spiderman impersonation while simultaniously climbing and crashing into the wall. The chainlink fence rattled and bowed, and the ball never hit the ground. The CF was a half step behind the LF in crashing and climbing the wall, ultimately snagging the ball in the air (debatable, to say the least. The ump was in a good position, but how in the world did that ball
not hit the fence?). The umps said the LF got his glove between the ball and the wall and tipped it back toward the field. The CF raised his arms right away to sell the "catch." I don't know about that ... Three Carthage coaches took their turns "chit-chatting" with the ump. If the game was 3-3 instead of 6-3, that play would have gone down in Wisconsin baseball lore and probably would have left a depleted Carthage coaching staff. Now it's just one of the weirdest plays I've ever seen.
Anyone going to the games tomorrow?
Quote from: mwunder on May 14, 2008, 10:23:27 PM
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Thanks. The student link is working.
They need some work.
I agree. It is like listening to two junior high buddies narrate a video game. Still, it is much better than no game at all.
Its a new generation of broadcasters at UWO. Also, Baseball broadcasts were brought back last year after a long hiatus. I'm sure they'll turn the corner and get better (or at least I hope so).
Seeing that I have been trying to land myself a full-time broadcasting gig, I haven't been paying much attention to the baseball side of things, and I noticed that today David Hermes hit a home run for Carthage. I started next to him in Centerfield back in our Fort Atkinson days, and I never played beside someone who had his power and came through in the clutch. Always had a positive attitude, and always came to play. Honestly one of my favorite teammates I ever had during my playing days, and I'm glad he had some success today. Way to go David!
Again, I hope the broadcasters are better tomorrow. I know if I was on the call, and got comments like that, I would be on my A-game the next time.
Then again, Wisconsin Folks are used to Uecker and Powell, which doesn't get much better then that in the booth.
Actually, it seemed like more than two guys were calling the game. I realize it's student radio, but take a little pride in your work. Go talk to the SID's from each school and get proper pronunciation for tough names (or listen to the PA announcer), keep a book, take notes, etc...Also, the score is always announced with the larger number first. I don't know how many times I heard today.."the Titans trail the Red Men 3-5."
That being said, there was at least one kid who did a really good job and was easy on the ears. He wasn't a total homer, gave the count and the situation pretty regularly, and actually praised Husing from time to time. He's probably a former player who knows the game well or listens to Powell (Uecker is terrible at calling a game if you really listen).
I didn't listen to the game, but I'm 95% sure who you are talking about, and that would probably be Jake Timm, who just recently won the National Award for Best Sports Play by Play with me and another poster TitansRus (Yes, I know, I haven't updated my signature). He's Grade A material.
I think CSS throws Gerten after seeing the USt-Knox score yesterday. They certainly shouldn't expect to put up a 15 spot, but I think they can throw their #3 and be confident they'll get a W.
Oshdude, thats a surprising distance for Bullis to hit the ball, he's not known for his power.
Its really too bad Leslie and Bullis haven't been able to pitch for USt this year, especially Leslie. He was a #1/#2 pitcher.
I'm not a fan of 6 team regionals either, Dukes.
Here is a little something to ponder for everyone while we are waiting for the games to start today.....
UWO has qualified for 13 Regional Tournaments under Head Coach Tom Lechnir. Interestingly enough, they have won the Regional nine times and finished runner-up the other four times.
Another way of looking at it, is that UWO has played in the Regional Chmapionship every year they have qualified under Coach Lechnir.
So with that said, will UWO keep the "streak" alive, or do they finally bow out early?
css will most likely go with gaub or hawkins against knox....kummet the next game with lanari in relief then gerten. Berg will most likely follow on short rest.
CSS will win big over Knox
The Robinson/Ruebens matchup will be a good one. Ill go with UST
Oshdude, I was getting updates during the game, and heard Carthage head coach Augie went absolutely bonkers on that play you were talking about. From what I was told, the ball absolutely hit the fence, and I agree with you if it was a tie game at that point, Carthage really would've been in trouble. In the paper today Augie stated "I only one who'll ever know what really happened is that center fielder. Track him down and ask him."
If the starter for UWW is what some are predicting, what can you tell me about him. I assume Carthage will go with the Sophomore Ruffie. Ruffie isn't an overpowering pitcher, but hits his spots and throws several pitches for strikes, which he'll throw at any time no matter what the count is.
Here's the link to the article from the Carthage/UWO game in the Kenosha News. There's another article that's not online, but it talks about how Carthage is quite familiar with Kenosha Native Billy Johnson of UWW, who's having a great year, as well as their starting 3rd baseman, and a pitcher (forget the name). Johnson and Carthage outfielder David Hermes have played for the Kenosha Kings together the past 3 summers. When asked what the best way to throw to Johnson is, Hermes replied in the article "off speed stuff is your best shot to get him out."
http://kenoshanews.com/article_comments/view_comments.php?articleNum=2971135
My last comment on all the prediction stuff:
I have absolutely no problems with people making predictions on this site. Baseballfan, I just think the way you stated that those 2 teams (I think it was UWO and USS) were better than Carthage hit a few people the wrong way, which probably weren't your intentions, it just came out the wrong way. Clearly Carthage was the complete opposite of last year, a team that was 17-11 at one time and then went on to win 20 in a row heading into the world series. This year, they were 24-0, and then lost some key guys, and really struggled the last 2-3 weeks of the season. IMO, seeding is over-hyped big time. Whether you're a 1 or a 6, you still have to beat great teams and get lucky. For a team that was ranked 2nd in the country for most of the season, and was 10th in the latest poll, I do think they got it right with Carthage as 3. I really could've cared less though if they were a 2 or a 5 as well. To me, UWO is just as good as the other teams in the regional, depending on the day, so its not like Carthage caught a break the way I see it. Okay, I'm done, no more talk of predictions for me!! :D
Quote from: OshDude on May 14, 2008, 10:37:49 PM
[And he broke the back window of a car with a foul ball. Never saw a truck window destroyed like that before.
I have a name for those who park their vehicles along the baselines within range of foul balls. I call them "track parents." Didn't see it but I heard it and you could tell by the sound something was smashed.
Oshdude or Downtown, can you tell me if the Titan played at EJ Schneider field prior to building the current ballpark?
Saints are back on the radio today games at 10. CSS starting with Matt Lewis but Coach Baggs basically said he was on a short leash. I would agree with the pitching decision need to save Kummet/Gerten/Lanari.
http://www.fan560.com/main.php
As I head out to the ballpark, I'll relay a few more Day 1 observations.
The Hermes HR was majestic, if I can get pretty and poet-y on you. It was like a well-struck iron pitching wedge – about 380 feet long and 200 feet high. Just a no-doubter that stayed in the air for--ever.
The Legend of Nolan Fadness has made its rounds. I heard about five different descriptions of what happened against Point, none of them quite right but all improvements on the legend, if anything. In the retellings, some guys are throwing punches, some guys are getting pummeled, some guys are instigating, some guys are reacting. In alternate tellings, Fadness bowled Warwick over without sliding and on and on ... Apparently everyone reads the boards.
The Point slumber party also had its own treatments. I wasn't there for that one ;), so I don't know which of the different tellings was correct.
People also read the main site. One parent suggested the Oshkosh Regional predictions be posted in every player's room and on the bus as motivation.
Can't wait for Rubens vs. Robinson.
Oshdude-
Could you tell a big difference between Husing's velocity in the first few innings compared to later in the game? The article said he was struggling to touch 82mph in the 1st inning, and was consistently right at 90mph in the 7th.
Quote from: REDMENFAN on May 15, 2008, 10:13:33 AM
Oshdude, I was getting updates during the game, and heard Carthage head coach Augie went absolutely bonkers on that play you were talking about. From what I was told, the ball absolutely hit the fence, and I agree with you if it was a tie game at that point, Carthage really would've been in trouble. In the paper today Augie stated "I only one who'll ever know what really happened is that center fielder. Track him down and ask him."
If the starter for UWW is what some are predicting, what can you tell me about him. I assume Carthage will go with the Sophomore Ruffie. Ruffie isn't an overpowering pitcher, but hits his spots and throws several pitches for strikes, which he'll throw at any time no matter what the count is.
Dominick who is a big senior righty who will strike out a lot of batters but walk very few. they have two #1 having pitched Dott yesterday. You wont see too many pitchers better than him
Haha, the CSS announcers are commenting on our posts, apparently they read the board.
Keep up the great calls guys!
CSS 2 Knox 0
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 15, 2008, 11:03:50 AM
Haha, the CSS announcers are commenting on our posts, apparently they read the board.
Keep up the great calls guys!
CSS 2 Knox 0
Claugherty with a 2 run homer out to center in the first
Anybody know if the Carthage -Whitewater game will have an audio feed today?
BW - Since I have been paying attention to Oshkosh (2003) I don't think they have played games their before. I could be wrong, but I checked some old box scores and didn't see anything.
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on May 15, 2008, 11:27:27 AM
BW - Since I have been paying attention to Oshkosh (2003) I don't think they have played games their before. I could be wrong, but I checked some old box scores and didn't see anything.
UW-O's "new" field is actually their old field with tons of renovations. They have played on campus as far back as I can remember and that goes back into the early 80s when I can remember attending games there. Possibly much longer.
CSS up 6-1 over Knox
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 15, 2008, 11:54:26 AM
CSS up 6-1 over Knox
Knox fans are starting to get out the grill for the two and barbeque.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 15, 2008, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 15, 2008, 11:54:26 AM
CSS up 6-1 over Knox
Knox fans are starting to get out the grill for the two and barbeque.
Looks like they packed the grills back up and are making it interesting...6-3 CSS
Quote from: bigbadbaseballman on May 15, 2008, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 15, 2008, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 15, 2008, 11:54:26 AM
CSS up 6-1 over Knox
Knox fans are starting to get out the grill for the two and barbeque.
Looks like they packed the grills back up and are making it interesting...6-3 CSS
I think they might of got the grill and charcoal set up...now 8-3 Blake Eller 2 rbi single
9-6 CSS now after a 2 run homer by Knox...CSS might have to bring one of their top 2 or 3 guns that they have left if this keeps up
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 15, 2008, 01:06:27 PM
9-6 CSS now after a 2 run homer by Knox...CSS might have to bring one of their top 2 or 3 guns that they have left if this keeps up
Inning?
Bottom of 7, Knox has guys on 1st and 2nd with 2 out. Lanari came in for CSS, most likely did not want to have to use him but they did.
CSS gets out of it, now CSS us threatening in the 8th with 2 guys on with 1 out
Sounds like the bbq started, now 14-6 CSS in bottom of 8.....Knox put up a good fight but just ran short on pitching
Marshik 4-4 4rbis 3 runs
Eller 4-6 5 rbis
CSS now up 14-6 after 5 runs in the top of the 8th (Gaub 2 rbi, Marshik 2 rbi, Eller rbi triple).
It would have been nice to have that a few innings ago so Lanari would not have been used.
Final Score CSS 15 - 7 over Knox.
A combined 17 walks, and 5 errors sounds like the effects of throwing down in the rotation and saving some of the top pitching. It sounded like a long game, and would have been frustrating to see all those walks with a lead, but in the end they get the win.
The next game should be exciting....Oshkosh win could put them back to within a game of the championship.
Intersting.... Rubens is not starting for Oshkosh. Freshman Evan Matson instead.
Quote from: cubs on May 15, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
Intersting.... Rubens is not starting for Oshkosh. Freshman Evan Matson instead.
Very interesting...and very stupid. There is no reason to "save" Rubens for relief or a start in the next game if St. Thomas jumps on this freshman right away. I think that is a verrrry poor choice by Oshkosh's coaching staff. Pitching any freshman over one of the better pitchers in the country against probably one of the best hitting teams in the country in essentially a do-or-die game? Come on. That's unbelievable. I hope St. Thomas tears them apart just for doing that.
Quote from: supermiac on May 15, 2008, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 15, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
Intersting.... Rubens is not starting for Oshkosh. Freshman Evan Matson instead.
Very interesting...and very stupid. There is no reason to "save" Rubens for relief or a start in the next game if St. Thomas jumps on this freshman right away. I think that is a verrrry poor choice by Oshkosh's coaching staff. Pitching any freshman over one of the better pitchers in the country against probably one of the best hitting teams in the country in essentially a do-or-die game? Come on. That's unbelievable. I hope St. Thomas tears them apart just for doing that.
Wow if they dont throw Rubens you think they would of went with Hendricks....well Oshkosh is already down 2-0
Quote from: supermiac on May 15, 2008, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 15, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
Intersting.... Rubens is not starting for Oshkosh. Freshman Evan Matson instead.
Very interesting...and very stupid. There is no reason to "save" Rubens for relief or a start in the next game if St. Thomas jumps on this freshman right away. I think that is a verrrry poor choice by Oshkosh's coaching staff. Pitching any freshman over one of the better pitchers in the country against probably one of the best hitting teams in the country in essentially a do-or-die game? Come on. That's unbelievable. I hope St. Thomas tears them apart just for doing that.
Tell me this..... What is the difference between going two and out or 2-2? Neither gets you to Appleton, so why not roll the dice? I'm not going to question a guy that has won 600 games AND a National Championship during his career.
Quote from: cubs on May 15, 2008, 03:29:05 PM
Quote from: supermiac on May 15, 2008, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 15, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
Intersting.... Rubens is not starting for Oshkosh. Freshman Evan Matson instead.
Very interesting...and very stupid. There is no reason to "save" Rubens for relief or a start in the next game if St. Thomas jumps on this freshman right away. I think that is a verrrry poor choice by Oshkosh's coaching staff. Pitching any freshman over one of the better pitchers in the country against probably one of the best hitting teams in the country in essentially a do-or-die game? Come on. That's unbelievable. I hope St. Thomas tears them apart just for doing that.
Tell me this..... What is the difference between going two and out or 2-2? Neither gets you to Appleton, so why not roll the dice? I'm not going to question a guy that has won 600 games AND a National Championship during his career.
Well, I personally think there is a difference. Yes, neither earns you the right to Appleton, but in my opinion when you are playing an elimination game and you KNOW you are seeing the St. Thomas ace, I think you should bring the same. If you do save Rubens for the "next game", if you make it chances are you are matching him up against the UWW #3 or Carthage #3, which then you know runs should be on the board more than when facing an ace. And you are right, to their credit they have won a lot of games and it is their choice to go about it this way. If it works...genius, if not I think it would be a crappy feeling leaving the regional without throwing your top guy.
Maybe he's sick or has a sore arm?
Quote from: janesvilleflash on May 15, 2008, 03:39:54 PM
Maybe he's sick or has a sore arm?
Maybe, but in my opinion, as a player (especially the team ace) neither would matter when it came to regionals and playoffs. But maybe...
Tell me this..... What is the difference between going two and out or 2-2? Neither gets you to Appleton, so why not roll the dice? I'm not going to question a guy that has won 600 games AND a National Championship during his career.
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The difference is, you have to win an extra game if you lose one games in regionals. Knowing that, I would take ZERO chances, especially against a team like St. Thomas, who arguably is the best hitting team in the regional. You try to get to the winner's side of the regional as fast as you can THEN worry about pitching because you have two games to get a win.
One other thing that I want to add.....
Oshkosh will return EVERY player on their roster except their #3 pitcher next season (Hendricks.) Maybe the thought is also to get a young guy some experience so that gains some REAL experience for next season and you won't have to "overwork" guys like Rubens and Demmin like this season.
Man, Lechnir not afraid to publicly let his players have it. Here's the article in the milwaukee journal sentinal today. Towards the end of the article he lets the pitcher from yesterday have it pretty good. Not saying whether him doing this is good or bad, just making a factual statement.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751192
Posted On the Rockland Regional Board
Linfield-5
IWU-4
IWU OUT...
Quote from: supermiac on May 15, 2008, 03:45:43 PM
The difference is, you have to win an extra game if you lose one games in regionals. Knowing that, I would take ZERO chances, especially against a team like St. Thomas, who arguably is the best hitting team in the regional. You try to get to the winner's side of the regional as fast as you can THEN worry about pitching because you have two games to get a win.
Oshkosh already has a loss, so your point is kind of moot.... They have to win EVERY game in order to win the Regional, so the "two games to get a win" isn't really true.
Lonnie Robinson with a Perfect Game through four innings, with St. Thomas leading 2-0. (Both runs unearned in the 1st inning)
Quote from: cubs on May 15, 2008, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: supermiac on May 15, 2008, 03:45:43 PM
The difference is, you have to win an extra game if you lose one games in regionals. Knowing that, I would take ZERO chances, especially against a team like St. Thomas, who arguably is the best hitting team in the regional. You try to get to the winner's side of the regional as fast as you can THEN worry about pitching because you have two games to get a win.
Oshkosh already has a loss, so your point is kind of moot.... They have to win EVERY game in order to win the Regional, so the "two games to get a win" isn't really true.
Yep, mixed them up with UWW for a minute there; oops. Still however, are you honestly going to leave your ACE on the bench for the entirety of regionals? That's absolutely silly.
Quote from: cubs on May 15, 2008, 03:46:40 PM
One other thing that I want to add.....
Oshkosh will return EVERY player on their roster except their #3 pitcher next season (Hendricks.) Maybe the thought is also to get a young guy some experience so that gains some REAL experience for next season and you won't have to "overwork" guys like Rubens and Demmin like this season.
Regarding this point, although they will have a strong group next year, I think it is tough to play for the next year because you never know what it will bring.
Honestly, in hindsight if I were Oshkosh, they should have thrown this freshman in the first game (assuming he is there #4). If you win, great you still have you top 3 guys. If you lose, you still have you top three guys but because of the 6 team regional format, 3 wins in a row gets you the championship. Gutsy, but why not? Its playoffs.
I guess it doesnt matter who you pitch if Robinson ends up throwing a one hitter.
I see everyones point, pitch Rubens now need the win and facing a really good pitcher. Pitch a young guy to give him playoff experience. If you get the win still have your #1 and #3. Or since like someone pointed out Hendricks is the only senior so maybe he should get the nod.
But thats why Im not a D3 baseball coach and getting paid to make those decisions.
edit>>>>>Well just noticed that hendricks has been in there for 3 innings now
Oshkosh walks in a run. Now 3-0 in the seventh.
Final score:
St. Thomas 3
Oshkosh 1
Titans eliminated.
UW - W V Carthage updates will be appreciated..
Quote from: Z71Warhawk on May 15, 2008, 05:30:50 PM
UW - W V Carthage updates will be appreciated..
Oshkosh Midwest Regional Live Stats: http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/livestats3/xlive.htm
Live audio feed for Carthage/Whitewater:
http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp)
UWW has put up a 7 spot in the bottom of 3 including a Joe Munn grand slam. 7 runs on 3 hits
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 15, 2008, 06:47:00 PM
UWW has put up a 7 spot in the bottom of 3 including a Joe Munn grand slam. 7 runs on 3 hits
Tack on two more hits and still only one out (and another error on Carthage).
Looks like wheels might be falling off for Carthage here in the third. Now 8-0. Going to be tough to come back against Dominick who is looking good so far
Carthage HAS to pull Ruffie. Unless Augie figures this game is out of reach and is saving pitching for tomorrow.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 15, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
Carthage HAS to pull Ruffie. Unless Augie figures this game is out of reach and is saving pitching for tomorrow.
He probably should of been pulled and sacrifice a guy from the bottom of the rotation to fill in. He could of still used Ruffie on saturday if they got there.
This game is painful to follow. Carthage has imploded.
At least the UWW radio guys are much better than UWO guys yesterday.
UW-W 8 Carthage 0 middle of the 4th..
14-0 in the 4th
If this was a boxing match, the ref would of stopped it
22-0 in the 7th
Thanks for the information guys. We were just wondering and no one seemed to know for certain.
22-3 in the bottom of the 8th.
Thank god UWW is the home team so they can't score more runs in the 9th. 24-3 after 8.
All I can say is wow..............
I thought trotting Schebler out there to kick that 48-yard field goal in the eighth was unnecessary.
Quote from: REDMENFAN on May 15, 2008, 10:49:09 AM
Oshdude-
Could you tell a big difference between Husing's velocity in the first few innings compared to later in the game? The article said he was struggling to touch 82mph in the 1st inning, and was consistently right at 90mph in the 7th.
He had nothing on his FB the first two or three innings. He did get better, mostly thanks to improved slider location IMO, but I have a hard time believing he was throwing 90 at any point. Whatever it was was good enough, but Robinson was throwing much harder for St. Thomas today and the gun had him at 86. No big deal, but Husing's improved velocity is what mattered. Whether it went from 80 to 83 or higher numbers is debatable. He was great no matter the gun reading.
Quote from: OshDude on May 15, 2008, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: REDMENFAN on May 15, 2008, 10:49:09 AM
Oshdude-
Could you tell a big difference between Husing's velocity in the first few innings compared to later in the game? The article said he was struggling to touch 82mph in the 1st inning, and was consistently right at 90mph in the 7th.
He had nothing on his FB the first two or three innings. He did get better, mostly thanks to improved slider location IMO, but I have a hard time believing he was throwing 90 at any point. Whatever it was was good enough, but Robinson was throwing much harder for St. Thomas today and the gun had him at 86. No big deal, but Husing's improved velocity is what mattered. Whether it went from 80 to 83 or higher numbers is debatable. He was great no matter the gun reading.
I wasnt there, so I have no basis for this comment, just a thought. But its possible also that by having improved offspeed, whether it was location, movement, or a better mix, it could make his fastball seem like it was that much increased. Physiologically speaking, there would be no reason to think his velocity would increase as the game went on, but an inside fastball following a good offspeed mix can seem like it was much improved. But again, I was not there.
I'm sorry, but if Robinson is hitting 86, no one in the Midwest Region is touching 90.
God forbid I throw out the word 'predictions' in this thread, so what are peoples 'thoughts' on starting pitchers tomorrow?
USt- Schuld
UWW- Munn? Jacobsen?
CSS- Gerten? Kummet? Does Coach Baggs assume his offense will be able to score against whomever Carthage throws and save Kummet?
Carthage- Perez? Someone with more knowledge of CC comment please.
Random Day 2 thoughts:
--The SE wind was the inverse of yesterday's NW, which meant it was coming in from CF. EJ played longer today.
CSS/KNOX
--Runners ... runners everywhere! There was action every inning. The problem for Knox was CSS put up crooked numbers. The P Fire put up sticks.
--Today's Knox pitchers had much better stuff than yesterday.
--After Knox's Bennett (the MWC South POY) walked in the 9th, he was lifted for a pinch runner. Classy move and classy response from the Knox faithful. Well-deserved standing O for that guy. Wish I would have seen him more than twice. Fine ballplayer.
--CSS isn't in the worst shape, facing Carthage's frosh LHP with Kummet.
StT/UWO
--Woah, Lonnie Robinson. Through 8 IP, he threw nine pitches out of the stretch (my unofficial count). Up-down, in-out, FB-slider-split. Check. You could tell he was feeling it too. Perfect tempo and presence. He dictated everything out there, almost always ahead in the count.
--The Tommies had three solid hits all game, but it was Bullis's check-swing blooper to LF and Wippler's 15 hopper through the right side that put StT up 2-0. Good ol' baseball ...
--Hendricks got loose in the bottom of the 1st.
--Hendricks almost got out of that bases loaded, none out jam. If there could have ever been a spark, that would have been it. But he was nowhere near on four straight.
--Even when UWO got the tying run to the plate, I felt it was a matter of time before Robinson closed it out. Gun had him at 86-87 to go along with good wrinkly stuff. That'll do.
--Leslie made another great play, this time on an over-the-shoulder snare of a foul ball on the dead run.
--Matson, Hendricks and Kuepper were great but got unlucky that Robinson was Robinson (better) and the Toms' hits had eyes. Although it should be noted that besides UWO's hits, the other balls put in play were harmless and routine.
--Did I mention that St. Thomas is really, really good? A day after muscling up, the Tommies showed off their small ball with bunt and infield hits, and flares. The constant is the pitching. I liked them going in. I like them even more now.
--If you're in the Green Bay TV station area, I think Channel 5 will give you an answer as to why Rube didn't go. Maybe not, but Lechnir gave CBS an interview after the game. I think Milwaukee JS writer Jeff Potrykus was there as well. May as well hear or read it from Lechnir himself.
WW/Carthage
--Munn started it with a full-extention diving catch 6ft into foul territory for the 3rd out in the 3rd. He capped it off with the absolute bomb to right for the grand slam. That thing went almost as far as Bullis's did yesterday. My estimate is 420ft.
--Not too many Red Men played after that. Arms were folded in the dugout until the end of the game and heads were down in the field. It was white flag time in the 3rd inning. And from a team that can rake. That's my impression, anyway. No fight after it was 8-0.
--When Carthage finally erased the shutout, a local Little League team, sitting in the front row on the CC side, gave the team a standing ovation.
--Ruffie effectively threw the kitchen sink for 2 IP (Does he throw seven pitches? I didn't see the catcher take off his glove to give signs, but it wouldn't surprise me if he takes his five best pitches that day to the bump. It was crazy how many speeds and angles his pitches had). Then, I have no idea ... rocket after rocket, after error, after rocket, after rocket. I didn't think it would ever end.
--Cool to see a WIAC veteran like Mike Jacobson get an AB. Jake responded with a rope the other way.
--Sam Petrasko may be the fastest dude in D3 baseball. Either that or he has awesome "baseball speed." He went and got one in L-C that had no right to be caught. He's always been fast, but I think he found another gear on that play.
--CC's Perez was great last time out, and it only counts as one loss blahblahblah. If any team in this regional can respond to that game, I think it's Carthage.
Quote from: dukes on May 15, 2008, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 15, 2008, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: REDMENFAN on May 15, 2008, 10:49:09 AM
Oshdude-
Could you tell a big difference between Husing's velocity in the first few innings compared to later in the game? The article said he was struggling to touch 82mph in the 1st inning, and was consistently right at 90mph in the 7th.
He had nothing on his FB the first two or three innings. He did get better, mostly thanks to improved slider location IMO, but I have a hard time believing he was throwing 90 at any point. Whatever it was was good enough, but Robinson was throwing much harder for St. Thomas today and the gun had him at 86. No big deal, but Husing's improved velocity is what mattered. Whether it went from 80 to 83 or higher numbers is debatable. He was great no matter the gun reading.
I wasnt there, so I have no basis for this comment, just a thought. But its possible also that by having improved offspeed, whether it was location, movement, or a better mix, it could make his fastball seem like it was that much increased. Physiologically speaking, there would be no reason to think his velocity would increase as the game went on, but an inside fastball following a good offspeed mix can seem like it was much improved. But again, I was not there.
For whatever reason, he was throwing noticably harder. It helped that he got his slider to better spots to give another look. I read this last night. Perhaps an insight as to the reason behind Husing's increased velocity.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751192 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751192)
Potrykus just had his freshest summary posted.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751484 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751484)
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 15, 2008, 10:48:50 PM
I'm sorry, but if Robinson is hitting 86, no one in the Midwest Region is touching 90.
God forbid I throw out the word 'predictions' in this thread, so what are peoples 'thoughts' on starting pitchers tomorrow?
USt- Schuld
UWW- Munn? Jacobsen?
CSS- Gerten? Kummet? Does Coach Baggs assume his offense will be able to score against whomever Carthage throws and save Kummet?
Carthage- Perez? Someone with more knowledge of CC comment please.
Could be the gun, but that's what it said. When someone asked me what I thought he was throwing, I said 85-87. So the eyeball and gun were similar, not that I'm the foremost expert on fastball speeds. Robinson had nice heat, but 90 mph has a look to it and is rare in D3. I'm sure he has touched 90 some days, but today wasn't the day. Some guns would maybe have him at 90 today, though. I just wouldn't believe it, but I'll take 86 on the black anyday.
After a 24-3 defeat, I am guessing that Augie told them to relax and come back ready to play tomorrow. I have a weird feeling that the Carthage players will not sleep tonight.
Nobody responds better when backed into a corner than Carthage. Time to put up or shut up.
gustie, Carthage will probably throw Mario Perez, Augie likes to keep the rotation in order. Out of the pen will probably be Maher and Richardson. And if Mario can go all 9 and get a victory then Richardson will probably start then next game.... If they get that far.
you can't say much after the pounding Carthage got today. Just forget about it and go out and play tomorrow!
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 15, 2008, 10:48:50 PM
I'm sorry, but if Robinson is hitting 86, no one in the Midwest Region is touching 90.
God forbid I throw out the word 'predictions' in this thread, so what are peoples 'thoughts' on starting pitchers tomorrow?
USt- Schuld
UWW- Munn? Jacobsen?
CSS- Gerten? Kummet? Does Coach Baggs assume his offense will be able to score against whomever Carthage throws and save Kummet?
Carthage- Perez? Someone with more knowledge of CC comment please.
Have a hunch it's Jake. If Vode planned to start Munn tomorrow, he would have probably pinch-hit for him like he did the other regulars, even especially the next day's probable SP. Then again, after Jake got a hit late in the game, he ran the bases. Because of the liberal subs, WW may not have had a pinch runner left, but another pitcher would have been fine. Munn staying in the game is more telling for me, so I'll go with Jake.
If Rubens didn't start for Oshkosh, assuming he's healthy – he was healthy enough to rake the mound at least – anything can happen. But I couldn't resist chiming in.
Here's the article from UWW's win over carthage yesterday in the Kenosha News. Augie stated that if a team loses by 20, it should count as 2 losses and they should be eliminated, HAHA! DH Ty Heegeman saw his first action on the mound this year, and I guess didn't do so bad. He struck out the kid who hit the grand slam, which the article states might have been the only high light for Carthage all day
http://kenoshanews.com/article_comments/view_comments.php?articleNum=2976705
Osh,
My comment wasn't a critique of your eyeball radaring abilities, what I meant was that no one in the region is throwing 4mph harder than Robinson. Call what Robinson throws 80, 86, 90, I don't care, no ones throwing harder.
Agreed, "90" gets bandied about too much, not many pitchers actually throw that hard. The worst was being a catcher when a pitcher thought they were throwing that hard and having to break the bad news to them.
You mentioned some examples of USt's slick fielding, but you failed to mention USt is No. 1 in the nation in fielding percentage. Here's how they rank vs the other regional particpants:
Knox: .929
CC: .955
UWW: .957
CSS: .966
UWO: .966
USt: .976
D is the reason guys like Boland and Salmen are playing. Denning could trot out players to SS and 2b that would hit much better than .246 and .283, but he wants their gloves up in the middle.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 15, 2008, 11:47:29 PM
Nobody responds better when backed into a corner than Carthage.
BP, did you just quote Dirty Dancing??? "Nobody puts Baby in a corner." :P
I'm not in the Milwaukee area, can someone enlighten me on Lechnir's decision not to start Rubens?
Game goes to extras, Schuld gives up a lead off single and in comes... Dan Leslie.
WW 4-1 bottom of 10th
That's the final.
WW 4 - St Thomas 1
UW-W advances to the championship round.... ;D
After getting off to a "tough" start this season, Mike Jacobson has really came on strong lately. Nothing like saving a 10 inning complete game for the 3rd day of Regionals!!! Impressive!!!
Quote from: cubs on May 16, 2008, 01:24:15 PM
After getting off to a "tough" start this season, Mike Jacobson has really came on strong lately. Nothing like saving a 10 inning complete game for the 3rd day of Regionals!!! Impressive!!!
I, like you, was really impressed with Jacobson....
Carthage down 3-0 early... Mario Perez falling apart on the hill. Back to back HBPs (one in the face).
5-0 now in the fifth, not looking good
make that 7-2 in the 7th.
Its rainy and windy...sounds like a great day
Final score: St. Scholastica 9, Carthage 4
CSS wins...kummet CG. Great defense for the saints. Great season for carthage
CSS/UST underway Steve Gerten vs Erik Olson
CSS batting in the bottom of 1, 0-0
CSS wins 7-1 over St. Thomas with a big CG from Gerten.
UWW (3-0) vs. CSS (3-1) at noon in a rematch of the first round game
CSS beats UST 7-1 advances to championship game through the losers bracket
Steve Gerten CG
Blake Eller 3-5 4 rbi HR
Oshdude did you make it to the games today? sounded like CSS pitching was pretty good today
And wasnt it a little weird having Leslie for UST pitch since he only threw 3 innings all year
Random Day 3 observations:
--If you start at 10 a.m., the host may not need lights. Never came close to turning on the lights in Oshkosh.
--I thought St. Thomas had the most pitching going into the tourney, but Kramer wasn't unavailable. In that case, I think all five top seeds had about equal pitching.
--On the Harwich board, Southern Maine has wowed fans with its size. Whitewater is the Oshkosh Regional version of that. I probably heard it said about 50 times in three days how large the WW guys are.
--The yard played small again today, with a lot of carry in the two later games.
--The truck that had its back window destroyed the first day by a UWO foul ball was a UWO player (I'm 97% sure).
UST/WW
--Jake (Jacobson) vs. Schuld was a treat. If you didn't know, Jake is a Jaime Moyer clone – "slow, slower, uh oh there went the fastball" kind of guy. He'll turn it over on you and get the ground ball when he's on.
--Leslie? Schuld was fine when he left. Leslie? Tough spot to put that guy. "I know you have not pitched since Florida, but could you get us to the championship?" The UST fans were hoping for the best while scratching their heads.
--WW isn't too shabby against the heater, either. That's Leslie – fastball. Schuld had a sweet change (and a less-than-stellar, show-me breaking ball) to go with the hard stuff. Leslie's fastball wasn't great. And how could it be? It was a shocker to me at least. Maybe a Tommie fan could shed more light on the Leslie decision.
--The 9 hole – Kenseth gets it done after Johnson failed to make a good bunt. Bullis made a huge mental error IMO on that play. He played a bloop single into a double after diving for a ball he had no chance to get. Play it on one hop and WW has bases loaded, no runs and one out. It appeared Vode was holding the runner at 3rd. And he should have; Bullis would have thrown him out easily IMO. It was 30 feet into the RF grass.
--Dominick is plenty available after throwing 50 pitches against Carthage. Only a matter of which game WW starts the WIAC pitcher of the year.
CSS/CARTHAGE
--CC's Perez may be the slowest worker ever. About 20 seconds between pitches and more than 2 seconds to home. CSS could have stolen as many bags as they wanted against Perez.
--Kummet never left the outside black all day. He came in just enough to keep CC honest. CC got to him late, but the CC approach took too long to adjust. If Perez is the epitomy of a slow worker (there's nothing wrong with working slow), Kummet is the opposite. CC asked for time quite often to get Kummet to slow down.
--CC's Hodges hit a pinch-hit, 2-run HR the opposite way to left that literally brought rain. There was a smattering of rain drops when he was up. When that ball landed, it was pouring. Kinda cool, anyway.
--The CSS radio guys are troopers. I'm sure they mentioned it on the broadcast, but they were the only guys on press row, which is basically a section of seating exposed to the elements, during the drizzle. No protection, either. After the Hodges HR, they busted out one of the larger umbrellas I've seen. It may be fairer to call it a parasol. But they still called the game in the rain, with garbage bags covering their boards. They should get hazard pay for going the extra mile.
--After a 15-minute (ish) steady rain, there was intense sunlight everywhere. It was like a film edit how quickly it changed.
--I'm sure the radio guys talked at length when Perez hit Kraushaar in the face. Scary stuff. Sounded gross – like throwing a piece of meat hard on the sidewalk. His shoulder caught it (and a bit of helmet) first, but no one breathed for a couple minutes. He was down for a long time, but he didn't get knocked out or anything. Sure sounded like it was worse than it was. Nothing was broken except for some skin near his nose and lip, which was bandaged. Between games Kraushaar got stitches and only missed the top of the first of the last game. Ah, technology. Of course Perez then missed his spot by four feet on the first pitch after the delay, hitting Claugherty in the middle of the back. I felt sorry for everyone involved. Perez looked stunned and didn't move the whole break. He appeared a bit shaken up.
--Eller's HR to left almost landed in a boat that was being towed down the street.
--CC's LF and RF play was amazingly bad. When they didn't drop pop flies, there were plays like when the RF broke hard, with a purpose, to his right. The correct play would have been to break hard to his left. He misjudged the path by a good 30 feet.
CSS/UST
--Olson very good. Gerten better (after he settled in; 5 straight balls to start). CSS clutch. UST sloppy.
--Who stole the UST unis and played CSS today? For three full games, UST played extremely well, nearly flawless. This one? Not at all, big and small things:
McQuillan thrown out at 2B after changing his mind on going to 3B. Out by a mile.
Schmitz dropped a towering flyball in LF. He could have made a phone call during the ball's flight.
Salmen didn't advance to 3B from 2B on a grounder up the middle.
McQuillan and Boland didn't communicate and a flare fell in.
Pexa forgot to tag Eller at home. Eller and the ump even hung out for a good 6-7secs before Eller knew what was up and touched home.
Salmen booted a routine grounder to lead off the inning Eller hit his laser drive 3-run HR. A "one-backer" if there ever was one.
Pexa tried to backhand a ball in the dirt with a runner on 2B, who advanced to 3B.
Leslie didn't get a jump on a pitch in the dirt that squirted 6ft from the catcher. No advance with no outs after his leadoff 2B.
Salmen had one go through the 5 hole.
Collins had an odd PB on an easy pitch (but that's after he destroyed a ball for a 2-run jack).
CSS made the last out by doubling a runner off second after a snared liner.
Every team has bad games, but UST had played so well that I didn't think regionals was the time to play so poorly.
--Kraushaar's LF replacement for the top of the 1st while he was getting stitches made two nice plays in his brief appearance. Funny how the ball finds the new guy.
--Denning didn't coach 3B the last five innings. Is that common?
--Lewis's HR landed across the road in LF. I estimate it at ~375ft.
Sorry these are so long ... hope someone gets something out of them. If not, they're easy to skip over. My last one like this anyway; I can't make it tomorrow. I like WW to win the second game, but I must say I'd be happy if CSS goes on. It's just a tough hill to climb. Those are the two best teams this week at the regional. That's all we can ask for. Either way, I seriously think we have a contender. Yes, I think CSS is that good and capable. I think both have the four SPs necessary to stay in the winner's bracket.
Thanks Dude for your "reports". I've found them entertaining and informative, and enjoyed them more than newspaper articles. If I could have a personal writer for baseball games, the job would be yours.
Quote from: janesvilleflash on May 16, 2008, 11:36:52 PM
Thanks Dude for your "reports". I've found them entertaining and informative, and enjoyed them more than newspaper articles. If I could have a personal writer for baseball games, the job would be yours.
It's too bad you're not someone in charge at the Chicago Tribune or MLB.com. My dream job (I'm graduating tomorrow with a journalism degree) is the Cubs beat writer, although I suppose I'd start out at a minor league team like the Brewers if I had to work my way up ;). I'm on my way. But I'm having a hard time getting in the MLB.com door even though a UWO grad is the NL East chief editor.
This whole week I was wishing I had WiFi. Would have been fun to blog along with the games and answered questions from folks who couldn't make it (or some other ideas ... there's really no end to the possibilities) instead of recapping a day of stuff you may not gleen from a box score or hear on a broadcast. Whenever I listen to a game, I always have questions that only people at the game could answer. And they're rarely answered because there's too much info to give and, to get sentimental about it, there's too little time to aurally describe everything that your senses take in during a game. You need a companion piece for even the best baseball broadcasters (radio
or TV) to get a better, if still incomplete, picture.
I was thinking about doing that at the World Series (if I'd get paid and credited, of course), but I won't be able to attend more than a game or two this year. First time since Appleton got the gig that I won't see every pitch. Bummer when life gets in the way of baseball.
Ditto Osh Dude.... Your writing is awesome and look forward to it.... Now can you go to Green Bay and to Packer training camp reports.....? ;D
CSS 2 UW-W 0 WW coming to bat at the bottom of the 1st.
UWW 2 CSS 2 in the bottom of 2.
They just said the All-Region teams were announced, does anyone have a list to post?
Bottom of the 3rd UW-W 8 CSS 2 NO outs
Through 3 complete innings... UW-W 8 CSS 2
UW-W 8 CSS 3... UW-W coming to bat at the bottom of the 4th.....
Through 4 complete... UW-W 10 CSS 3
CSS now put up 7 runs in the top of 5 to make it tie game, 10-10.
Can you believe that? I can't.
At the way that it is going from listening on the radio, I will not be surprised by much at this time. I dont think either team would think this would be this type of game. A slugfest, yes, but not the errors and throwing the ball around. Sounds to me like some guys are trying to do a little too much with extra throws. We shall see...
Going into the top of the 6th, UW-W 13 CSS 10...
Going into the bottom of the 6th, UW- W 13 CSS 10... C'mon Warhawks score some insurance runs.
Going into the top of the 7th... UW-W 18 CSS 10.. We knew what happened tha last time UW-W had a 7 run lead...
Final Score. Whitewater 21 St. Scholastica 13.
Great tournament for everyone, best of luck to UWW to represent the region.
Congrats to UW-W for advancing to the D3 World Series.....
Congrats, 'Hawks, who get the Central winner (I think) in the opener with a well-rested Dominick, a confident Jacobson, a filthy Dott and a potent lineup. I'll take that against any other qualifier.
The WW bats reappeared after a little lull. I hope they keep that up against the best in the nation. I like their chances if the sticks stay hot.
Congrats to Whitewater and good luck at Appleton. The Warhawks will get Linfield in the first round. As the only team Point defeated in the central regional, Whitewater will have their hands full with this team. Pitching is outstanding as well as a defensively sound team. As good as Whitewater's pitching and hitting are, I don't think they have faced anyone as good as these guys are.
Definetly think Point was in a much tougher regional and thank you very much NCAA for putting them there. The field and complex at Augustana puts both Whitewater and Oshkosh to shame. Not only do they have lights, but batting cages and another field to warm up on. It was nice to face competiton that you have never seen before. There were no cupcake teams in the regional as after the second day only one team was eliminated. Pitching was simply amazing.
I think Point should have done better, but I think the jinx was in from the first day.
Zielke comes down with Pink eye on Wednesday morning and Warwick tore his ACL after hitting his homerun in the WIAC tournament. The team just didn't seem to have what it took to rebound this season like they have in the past. Starting pitching in the regional was the best the Pointer's could have asked for. Zielke gets all the decisions in relief.
Any way, glad the Warhawks will represent the WIAC at Appleton this year. They are the right team to represent a very strong conference and one of the best in the country.
Quote from: szlongball on May 17, 2008, 07:33:00 PM
The team just didn't seem to have what it took to rebound this season like they have in the past.
What was one of the major differences between this seasons Regional and Regionals the past two years? Point was playing on a baseball field, and not the "little league" park in Rapids. While they have had some strong teams recently, I don't think it's a coincidence that Point has won EVERY WIAC Tournament since its move to Rapids, with this year probably being the most surprising.
Anyone else feel the same, or am I alone on an island on this one?
Do the fences in Rapids move back when the other teams hit? Is UWSP the only team in the WIAC that hits home runs? I find it amazing that UWSP is the only team that's been able to take advantage of the size of Witter Field (which is longer and has taller fences than UWW's field).
I think you're looking for the easy answer, but there's more to it than that.
Points season was doomed when Brandon Hemstead was declared out for the season. I personally think Point has had the best team the past 4 years with the exception of this year where they just got hot for a weekend and Whitewater struggled. As for regionals, It was truly a case of where the best team didn't win it but Point is the only one to blame. They just couldn't get it done with the sticks and had too many walks and hitter batters. Linfield is one of the best defensive teams in the nation but they don't hit really well. I would pick Whitewater in the 1rst round. Don't know if I'll get over Point choking before the series starts but probably will cheer on Whitewater this weekend.
Quote from: cubs on May 17, 2008, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: szlongball on May 17, 2008, 07:33:00 PM
The team just didn't seem to have what it took to rebound this season like they have in the past.
What was one of the major differences between this seasons Regional and Regionals the past two years? Point was playing on a baseball field, and not the "little league" park in Rapids. While they have had some strong teams recently, I don't think it's a coincidence that Point has won EVERY WIAC Tournament since its move to Rapids, with this year probably being the most surprising.
Anyone else feel the same, or am I alone on an island on this one?
If Witter Field is a "little league" park, how about using a "high school" field for the regionals hosted by your Oshkosh Titans? It sure didn't help them. And yes, you are alone on your island. And the quality of teams in each regional make a difference. Not sure Whitewater gets out of the central region(not saying they wouldn't) and sure Oshkosh would have gone 2 and out. At least Witter field is a great place to play ball. Not to mention the community really supports the WIAC tournament. And Point has won regional tournaments at other places besides Witter Field(look it up).
Quote from: Just Bill on May 18, 2008, 12:10:13 AM
Do the fences in Rapids move back when the other teams hit? Is UWSP the only team in the WIAC that hits home runs? I find it amazing that UWSP is the only team that's been able to take advantage of the size of Witter Field (which is longer and has taller fences than UWW's field).
I think you're looking for the easy answer, but there's more to it than that.
Cubs, I can introduce you to a whole bunch of people who feel that way. He's a long way from being alone on that island, szlong. Unless Point is the island being refered to. ;)
There is more to it than that, Bill. No they don't move the fences back ;) and Point isn't the only team to hit home runs. But they are the team that generally hits more of them than anyone else. I think other factors involved are being able to practice in your own facility and not have your team stuck in a motel for an extended period. But they deserve credit because they get it done when they have to and it shouldn't be a big enough factor that the rest of us can't overcome it. However there is no doubt in my mind that it is a factor.
Money is driving the decision to play in the Rapids. They guarantee the conference $9000. It could have been in Eau Claire but they only bid $6500. Not that it matters but the coaches voted 6-1 to return it to the regular season champion's field this year. A vote is taken annually and they've consistantly voted to return it to campus. Even Point voted for the return to campus. As I've said in the past I feel these events belong on campus but I doubt that is going to happen.
Anyway thanks for the well wishes. There's plenty of room on the bandwagon so hop aboard and cheer on the WIAC's rep. We'll do our best to represent the league.
Personally, I think they should have a regional at a MIAC or MWC site sometime in the near future. Most of the MIAC fields are a league above those in the WIAC and several MWC fields are very nice as well. Minneapolis is a nice venue also to hold it. Played several games at Parade Stadium and several at Midway or Bethel's Hargis Park. They are all very, very nice facilities that can accommodate a Regional. However, I think they use the WIAC as a sort of "halfway point" for the teams that travel from the south...errr Knox?? and the teams from the north...hmmm, St. Thomas and CSS. Personally, I think the advantage goes to WIAC teams who play there (shorter travel times, larger fan bases, knowledge of the playing surfaces...etc.) Honestly, I believe it would be a different situation if teams played on real fields as opposed to the bandboxes that alot of WIAC teams play at. Just a thought; but after seeing the regionals, I would think that traveling to Minneapolis for a regional wouldn't be a shabby idea.
I agree that St. Thomas has had to travel to Wisconsin too often in NCAA III Regional play.
I was wondering if MIAC schools such as St. Thomas actually submit a bid to the NCAA?
I agree that they most likely want to have it in a central location. If it were in Minneapolis, or Minnesota in general, all the teams would have to travel West and it would be out of the way for some. I like the idea of having it at a neutral location though. I think it is obvious that the home team has an advantage...as that is why most conference and tournaments are hosted by the 1 seed as advantage to them for earning the #1 seed. I would like to see it held in Madison, WI as it would be a central location with a large venue and a neutral field. If they are not going to have a central neutral location, then I think it should move between the regional contenders such as a WIAC site one year, a MIAC site another. With all the minor league stadiums and northwoods league stadium I would think there would be many facilities able to host.
Denning says he brought in Leslie for his superior defensive skills? Leslie is that much better than Schuld at picking up a rolling ball and throwing it to first? Would Schuld throw the ball into the parking lot on a bunt? Or does Leslie somehow have a knack for getting runners at second on a sac bunt? Did Leslie field bunts better than Schuld in Florida or something?
This is not the reasoning I expected. Does this make sense to Tommie or MIAC fans? It doesn't to me.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751851 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751851)
Quote from: dukes on May 18, 2008, 05:29:55 PM
I agree that they most likely want to have it in a central location. If it were in Minneapolis, or Minnesota in general, all the teams would have to travel West and it would be out of the way for some. I like the idea of having it at a neutral location though. I think it is obvious that the home team has an advantage...as that is why most conference and tournaments are hosted by the 1 seed as advantage to them for earning the #1 seed. I would like to see it held in Madison, WI as it would be a central location with a large venue and a neutral field. If they are not going to have a central neutral location, then I think it should move between the regional contenders such as a WIAC site one year, a MIAC site another. With all the minor league stadiums and northwoods league stadium I would think there would be many facilities able to host.
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Great idea, I would love to see games at Warner Park in Madison or any of the Northwood League Parks. I also like the idea of rotating between MIAC and WIAC sites.
Takes away the home field advantage(Point ONLY plays at Witter for the WIAC tournament and when the regional is there) and puts everyone on an even playing field. With the WIAC being such a strong conference, I'm guessing that is why they continually host the regional. Go Warhawks and make all of us in the WIAC proud!!!
You have to bid first. Hosting has nothing to do with being a strong conference. It has everything to do with submitting a winning bid. I think location helps but the WIAC is hosting because they're submitting the best bids. It's about money. The regional was held at Witter because Stevens Point bid for it and not Wisconsin Rapids. They used Witter because they would not have gotten the bid using their campus facility (no lights). How likely do you think it is that a neutral party, like Madison or Warner Park, will submit a bid? Personally I think it's more unlikely than likely.
Have to agree with you Badgerwarhawk. Has anyone ever approached any Northwoods League team about putting in a bid? And I get the part about Point winning the bid and using Witter Field. With the connections that WW has, couldn't they approach the Mallards about using Warner Park? I can't imagine anyone objecting to using Warner Park.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 19, 2008, 01:47:16 PM
You have to bid first. Hosting has nothing to do with being a strong conference. It has everything to do with submitting a winning bid. I think location helps but the WIAC is hosting because they're submitting the best bids. It's about money. The regional was held at Witter because Stevens Point bid for it and not Wisconsin Rapids. They used Witter because they would not have gotten the bid using their campus facility (no lights). How likely do you think it is that a neutral party, like Madison or Warner Park, will submit a bid? Personally I think it's more unlikely than likely.
Edgewood College has considered putting in a bid for a regional at Warner Park in the past. I don't know if it ever got beyond initial discussions.
And although the City of Madison owns Warner Park, the Mallards defend that piece of turf like its behind the Berlin Wall. They object to anyone else using it. Typically a handful of high school games are the only thing that takes place there prior to the end of the Mallards season. Not to say it couldn't happen, but the Mallards aren't exactly friendly tennants.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 19, 2008, 04:27:47 PM
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And although the City of Madison owns Warner Park, the Mallards defend that piece of turf like its behind the Berlin Wall. They object to anyone else using it. Typically a handful of high school games are the only thing that takes place there prior to the end of the Mallards season. Not to say it couldn't happen, but the Mallards aren't exactly friendly tenants.
Isn't that just ducky! :-\
:D ;D
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2008, 11:47:06 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 19, 2008, 04:27:47 PM
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And although the City of Madison owns Warner Park, the Mallards defend that piece of turf like its behind the Berlin Wall. They object to anyone else using it. Typically a handful of high school games are the only thing that takes place there prior to the end of the Mallards season. Not to say it couldn't happen, but the Mallards aren't exactly friendly tenants.
Isn't that just ducky! :-\
:D ;D
Nice...well, my only thought is that if it was presented in the right way they may consider it, as they always seem to be looking for a way to have an event at the stadium. And in my opinion, if they would host you know that Steve Schmitt and his crew would put on a superb weekend. I think I will run it by them and see if they have ever thought about it. What exactly is the process for submitting a bid for such an event?
The process is conducted by the NCAA and therefore must have an NCAA school or conference attached to it as a host. A third-party by themselves cannot submit a bid. (Edgewood College or the WIAC office would seem the most likely to me, but I suppose UWW or UWP could take it on too.)
There is a long, long, long form to fill out. Essentially you state how much money you'll require from the NCAA to run the tournament. If you're the least expensive and your field and city meet the other necessary criteria (fences, lights, seating, adequate hotel space, phone lines, staffing, etc.) you got a chance to win the bid. History of hosting events also plays into it so it can be difficult for a new bidder to break in, but if Wisconsin Rapids managed it I don't see why Madison couldn't.
As a MIAC alum I'd love to see the tournament come to Minneapolis/St Paul, but I don't see it happening in the near future.
Parade Stadium, Augsburg's home field, is owned and run by the city of Minneapolis, who has done some improvements lately, and begun charging more for the fields use. They recently started charging for parking and no longer host the Class A Amateur State Tournament because of $$$. It would be a far cry from the fields in WI it sounds like, because the field is MASSIVE.
Siebert Field, home field for the U of MN would be fun, but the Gophers have Big Ten obligations and I doubt they'd be willing to work around them for the Regional games. I don't believe any amateur teams play on it in the summer, which means its probably expensive to use. Last I heard the university was trying to raise money to build a new stadium on top of Siebert.
Midway Stadium is used by Hamline in the spring and a few amateur teams in the summer and would be available for rent I'd assume, but its primary obligations are to the St Paul Saints, so their schedule would take precedent (they start in late Apr). IMO its not a nice surface to play on, but the stadium is a lot of fun.
The MIAC has held its playoff tournament at fields 45 minutes south of Mpls St Paul every year of the tournament (9 years), so that should give you some idea about the feasibility of holding a tournament in the MSP area.
There was a murder this week across the street from EJ Schneider, your home for the 2009 Oshkosh Regional.
BigPoppa's Top 25: April 20th
01 Pomona-Pitzer... all they do is win
02 Millsaps... quickly becoming one of the nation's elite
03 Southern Maine... 8-0 this week. WOW!
04 St. Scholastica... might be the biggest sleeper in the nation, even at 24-2
05 Salisbury... 33-5 means they get it done day after day
06 Texas-Tyler... can they survive the ASC post-season or will they stumble again?
07 Trinity (Conn.)... poised to make another run?
08 Heidelberg... great team that is overlooked in its region
09 Kean... settling in after a tough west coast trip early in the year.
10 Eastern Connecticut... playing like the team everyone thought they were.
11 Wheaton (Mass.)... a tough week for them, but still good enough to hang around the top 10
12 Carthage... CCIW#1A...should have the CCIW #1 seed locked up this week.
13 George Fox... somehow, GF will not win it's own conference and will be a bubble team when the bids come out.
14 Ithaca... Bombers are back on track and pounding teams.
15 Wooster... playing well agains after a mis-step last week.
16 St. Thomas... MIAC #1 team
17 Cal Lutheran... Really needs Texas-Tyler to win the Pool A in the ASC... bubble team for Pool C
18 Shenandoah... not really sure about this team yet, but 31 wins speaks for itself.
19 Illinois Wesleyan... CCIW #1B... great team that is just hitting its stride
20 Keystone... Will be the next 30 win team
21 Curry... 7-1 last week! Impressive to say the least... deep staff to do that.
22 Pacific Lutheran... Controls the NWC
23 Mount St. Mary...19-4 right now... make or break week for them
24 Buena Vista... 23-6...showing cracks in their armor.
25 UW-Whitewater...18-9, but still winning games in the tough WIAC.
Dropped out:
UW-Oshkosh (no idea what to think of this team... most up and down team I have ever seen),
St. Olaf (Can they grab a second MIAC bid... I am not sure yet)
Marietta (Do you want to be a big dog or not?)
Thomas More ( It was fun while it lasted, huh?)
Linfield (Cannot lose a pair to lowly Willamette)
Quote from: OshDude on April 12, 2009, 10:18:08 AM
There was a murder this week across the street from EJ Schneider, your home for the 2009 Oshkosh Regional.
Platteville murdered the Titans across town, too. :'(
Midwest Regional Prediction
1) St. Thomas (sealed with win over CSS)
2) Stevens Point (WIAC Tourney Champ Prediction)
3) Whitewater (WIAC regular season Champs)
4) St. Scholastica (Seeded Low in Regionals past, staying with trend)
5) St. Olaf
6) NAC Champ (Good luck with the Tommies, does it really matter) ::)
Quote from: biggio34 on May 04, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
Midwest Regional Prediction
1) St. Thomas (sealed with win over CSS)
2) Stevens Point (WIAC Tourney Champ Prediction)
3) Whitewater (WIAC regular season Champs)
4) St. Scholastica (Seeded Low in Regionals past, staying with trend)
5) St. Olaf
6) NAC Champ (Good luck with the Tommies, does it really matter) ::)
I would agree NCAA has definately not given CSS any respect with their seeding in the past. I would probably put CSS 3rd, tough to put 2 WIAC teams ahead of them with how the season went in WIAC. Thomas has to be liking where they sit, but dont always assume that playing what appears to be an inferior opponent as a win. St. Thomas lost to Coe in 06' in the opening round.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 04, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
Midwest Regional Prediction
1) St. Thomas (sealed with win over CSS)
2) Stevens Point (WIAC Tourney Champ Prediction)
3) Whitewater (WIAC regular season Champs)
4) St. Scholastica (Seeded Low in Regionals past, staying with trend)
5) St. Olaf
6) NAC Champ (Good luck with the Tommies, does it really matter) ::)
If the WIAC Tournament turns out the way you thing it will (Point winning) I'm going to say that if Whitewater or Oshkosh were to make the Regionals, the winner of the game in the WIAC Tournament (if it happens) is your other WIAC team. It would be hard to put Whitewater in over Oshkosh if Oshkosh beats them again giving them four out of five on the season.
In my opinion, I just don't see a second WIAC team making it, although I hope I am wrong.
Quote from: cubs on May 04, 2009, 07:09:49 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 04, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
Midwest Regional Prediction
1) St. Thomas (sealed with win over CSS)
2) Stevens Point (WIAC Tourney Champ Prediction)
3) Whitewater (WIAC regular season Champs)
4) St. Scholastica (Seeded Low in Regionals past, staying with trend)
5) St. Olaf
6) NAC Champ (Good luck with the Tommies, does it really matter) ::)
If the WIAC Tournament turns out the way you thing it will (Point winning) I'm going to say that if Whitewater or Oshkosh were to make the Regionals, the winner of the game in the WIAC Tournament (if it happens) is your other WIAC team. It would be hard to put Whitewater in over Oshkosh if Oshkosh beats them again giving them four out of five on the season.
In my opinion, I just don't see a second WIAC team making it, although I hope I am wrong.
It all depends on if a 2nd WIAC team is worthy of getting one of the 14 C bids, im not sure if they are so that would mean a team most likely being shipped in from the west (Hendrix?). The 3 WIAC schools should hope for not many other upsets across the nation even tho there have been a few already.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 04, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
Midwest Regional Prediction
1) St. Thomas (sealed with win over CSS)
2) Stevens Point (WIAC Tourney Champ Prediction)
3) Whitewater (WIAC regular season Champs)
4) St. Scholastica (Seeded Low in Regionals past, staying with trend)
5) St. Olaf
6) NAC Champ (Good luck with the Tommies, does it really matter) ::)
Because you think the Tommies are so strong or because you think the NAC is bad? If that's the regional, I don't see a gimme anywhere. Those NAC teams can play.
I can see either Hendrix, Cal Lutheran or Millsaps being shipped into this region.
Quote from: OshDude on May 05, 2009, 03:44:45 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 04, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
Midwest Regional Prediction
1) St. Thomas (sealed with win over CSS)
2) Stevens Point (WIAC Tourney Champ Prediction)
3) Whitewater (WIAC regular season Champs)
4) St. Scholastica (Seeded Low in Regionals past, staying with trend)
5) St. Olaf
6) NAC Champ (Good luck with the Tommies, does it really matter) ::)
Because you think the Tommies are so strong or because you think the NAC is bad? If that's the regional, I don't see a gimme anywhere. Those NAC teams can play.
Concordia Chicago is a phenomenal hitting squad. Their pitching might wear down over the course of a tournament, but you don't want to get into an 18-16 game with CUC. Rockford and Aurora are very solid if not spectacular.
6) NAC Champ (Good luck with the Tommies, does it really matter) ::)
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Because you think the Tommies are so strong or because you think the NAC is bad? If that's the regional, I don't see a gimme anywhere. Those NAC teams can play.
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Having seen UST numerous times, believe me they are the team to beat. Whoever the 6 seed is will have their work cut out for them! UST has very good starting pitching, outstanding defense and their line-up is very good. In that sense I mean, each hitter knows his role and the situation and executes it very well. Classic Tommies squad.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 05, 2009, 09:30:36 AM
6) NAC Champ (Good luck with the Tommies, does it really matter) ::)
Because you think the Tommies are so strong or because you think the NAC is bad? If that's the regional, I don't see a gimme anywhere. Those NAC teams can play.
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Having seen UST numerous times, believe me they are the team to beat. Whoever the 6 seed is will have their work cut out for them! UST has very good starting pitching, outstanding defense and their line-up is very good. In that sense I mean, each hitter knows his role and the situation and executes it very well. Classic Tommies squad.
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Agreed! Combine the best fielding team in the nation with a quality staff (including Region pitcher of the year) and a line-up that does the small things, you will get a team that is tough to beat. Still wondering how they lost to St. Marys.
NAC teams may be able to play but they havent really demonstrated much against top teams and have pretty weak OWPs. But anything can happen especially if the tommies throw off and save Schuld. Who knows maybe the NAC autobid wont be the 6th seed :o
True. I think Aurora has a good argument for a Pool C bid even if they dont win the tournament. The WIAC has really backed themselves into a corner for a Pool C Bid. St. Olaf is probably the top team in the running, and Aurora right behind them
Trust me, the NAC champion will have something for St. Thomas. St. Thomas has lost 9 games to somebody....they can be beat.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 02:06:14 PM
True. I think Aurora has a good argument for a Pool C bid even if they dont win the tournament. The WIAC has really backed themselves into a corner for a Pool C Bid.
How is Aurora's 27-11 any more impressive than Point's 27-13 or Whitewater's 24-13 (with two today against Concordia-WI)? Aurora didn't play one WIAC school this season so it's hard to compare a whole lot. Point and Whitewater were a combined 3-1 against the Northern Athletics Conference, with two games yet to be played today.
Quote from: cubs on May 05, 2009, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 02:06:14 PM
True. I think Aurora has a good argument for a Pool C bid even if they dont win the tournament. The WIAC has really backed themselves into a corner for a Pool C Bid.
How is Aurora's 27-11 any more impressive than Point's 27-13 or Whitewater's 24-13 (with two today against Concordia-WI)? Aurora didn't play one WIAC school this season so it's hard to compare a whole lot. Point and Whitewater were a combined 3-1 against the Northern Athletics Conference, with two games yet to be played today.
I mean, its really not. But if the committee is going to draw differences in teams without much seen to be different, I guess we should start playing along....
Quote from: cubs on May 05, 2009, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 02:06:14 PM
True. I think Aurora has a good argument for a Pool C bid even if they dont win the tournament. The WIAC has really backed themselves into a corner for a Pool C Bid.
How is Aurora's 27-11 any more impressive than Point's 27-13 or Whitewater's 24-13 (with two today against Concordia-WI)? Aurora didn't play one WIAC school this season so it's hard to compare a whole lot. Point and Whitewater were a combined 3-1 against the Northern Athletics Conference, with two games yet to be played today.
Make that 3-3, CUW took 2 from UWW today 4-3 and 6-5.
Quote from: BoBo on May 05, 2009, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 05, 2009, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 02:06:14 PM
True. I think Aurora has a good argument for a Pool C bid even if they dont win the tournament. The WIAC has really backed themselves into a corner for a Pool C Bid.
How is Aurora's 27-11 any more impressive than Point's 27-13 or Whitewater's 24-13 (with two today against Concordia-WI)? Aurora didn't play one WIAC school this season so it's hard to compare a whole lot. Point and Whitewater were a combined 3-1 against the Northern Athletics Conference, with two games yet to be played today.
Make that 3-3, CUW took 2 from UWW today 4-3 and 6-5.
SEE!!!.....the NAC representative(s) will bring something to the regional tournament.....trust me
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: BoBo on May 05, 2009, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 05, 2009, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 02:06:14 PM
True. I think Aurora has a good argument for a Pool C bid even if they dont win the tournament. The WIAC has really backed themselves into a corner for a Pool C Bid.
How is Aurora's 27-11 any more impressive than Point's 27-13 or Whitewater's 24-13 (with two today against Concordia-WI)? Aurora didn't play one WIAC school this season so it's hard to compare a whole lot. Point and Whitewater were a combined 3-1 against the Northern Athletics Conference, with two games yet to be played today.
Make that 3-3, CUW took 2 from UWW today 4-3 and 6-5.
SEE!!!.....the NAC representative(s) will bring something to the regional tournament.....trust me
Dont get too excited over 2 games, especially since UWW probably didnt pitch any of their top 6 and they cant hit. They will bring something to the regional tournament, we will just have to see what tho, hopefully its a baseball team ;)
Bad losses though for UWW looks like they will need to be perfect in the WIAC tourney
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 05, 2009, 09:54:05 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: BoBo on May 05, 2009, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 05, 2009, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 02:06:14 PM
True. I think Aurora has a good argument for a Pool C bid even if they dont win the tournament. The WIAC has really backed themselves into a corner for a Pool C Bid.
How is Aurora's 27-11 any more impressive than Point's 27-13 or Whitewater's 24-13 (with two today against Concordia-WI)? Aurora didn't play one WIAC school this season so it's hard to compare a whole lot. Point and Whitewater were a combined 3-1 against the Northern Athletics Conference, with two games yet to be played today.
Make that 3-3, CUW took 2 from UWW today 4-3 and 6-5.
SEE!!!.....the NAC representative(s) will bring something to the regional tournament.....trust me
Dont get too excited over 2 games, especially since UWW probably didnt pitch any of their top 6 and they cant hit. They will bring something to the regional tournament, we will just have to see what tho, hopefully its a baseball team ;)
Bad losses though for UWW looks like they will need to be perfect in the WIAC tourney
In-region losses!
Concordia Chicago beat Carthage tonight 13-6. CUC is 30-13 with a 6-0 record over the CCIW and 4-0 against the CCIW's four tournament teams.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 02:06:14 PM
True. I think Aurora has a good argument for a Pool C bid even if they dont win the tournament. The WIAC has really backed themselves into a corner for a Pool C Bid. St. Olaf is probably the top team in the running, and Aurora right behind them
Trust me, the NAC champion will have something for St. Thomas. St. Thomas has lost 9 games to somebody....they can be beat.
Aurora is not that close to a Pool C bid. A .486 OWP isn't cutting it. I think UWSP will be the No. 2 team in the region tomorrow. The Pointers now have the best OWP (.572) in the region. UST's crazy OWP dropped quite a bit this week.
Oshkosh Regional web page:
http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/2009OshkoshBaseballRegional/index.html
I really do not think some of you give some teams in the NAC enough credit. Whitewater is swept by CUW who does not even make the confrence tournament in the NAC this weekend.
CUC beats IWU, Carthage and a few others and has made it 30 wins this season
Aurora is 27-11 and if you look at their schedule, beat some teams who at the top of their confrence such as Webster twice. and are batting over 350 as a team and has a pitching staff in the top ten in the nation in E.R.A.
Rockford is no push over either by any means. They are a scrappy ball club.
Quote from: high and inside on May 06, 2009, 07:31:15 PM
I really do not think some of you give some teams in the NAC enough credit. Whitewater is swept by CUW who does not even make the confrence tournament in the NAC this weekend.
CUC beats IWU, Carthage and a few others and has made it 30 wins this season
Aurora is 27-11 and if you look at their schedule, beat some teams who at the top of their confrence such as Webster twice. and are batting over 350 as a team and has a pitching staff in the top ten in the nation in E.R.A.
Rockford is no push over either by any means. They are a scrappy ball club.
The NAC should hope that everyone underestimates them and maybe teams will throw off and not have to face the aces of some teams (Schuld, Kummet, Dott, Burg, etc)
Platteville would win the NAC no doubt about it and they couldn't finish top 4 in the WIAC.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 07, 2009, 08:15:21 AM
Platteville would win the NAC no doubt about it and they couldn't finish top 4 in the WIAC.
How could you say that when CUW just swept Whitewater and they didnt even finish in the top four in the NAC.
You're underestimating the NAC a wee bit shinetime....I in no way think that any of them will be very competitive in the midwest regional, not with the WIAC and the MIAC around! BUT Platteville would not win the conference hands down...they would be top 4 yes, maybe top 3 but there are some good clubs in the nac with both concoridias, aurora, rockford...
as far as the amazing numbers from aurora, lets not forget that a good majority of the conference is worse than some of the good highschoool teams in the state, so a great team BA and low ERA is expected if you are even a remotely good team in that conference. If UWO, UWSP, or UWW played MSOE, Maranatha, and some of those teams regularly they would have ridiculous numbers! You don't get bids by having good team stats! And the reason I just mentioned is part of the reason why, play solid competition and put up W's and great numbers and then come back and ask for a bid! maybe it's not always fair (the bids) but the NAC just is not the caliber of the WIAC and the MIAC so teams with similar records from those conferences are going to see the MIAC and WIAC teams go through and leave the NAC at home...it's just part of playing in a weaker conference. You either need to win the automatic bid, or put up an absolutely ridiculous regular season record to get the bid, having similar numbers to a bigger more successful school (historically) is going to see the small guys left behind.
I believe this year however with the WIAC being in a slump that two teams from the NAC could represent the midwest as well as two teams from the WIAC could.
Quote from: high and inside on May 07, 2009, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 07, 2009, 08:15:21 AM
Platteville would win the NAC no doubt about it and they couldn't finish top 4 in the WIAC.
How could you say that when CUW just swept Whitewater and they didnt even finish in the top four in the NAC.
First of all, WW did not pitch anybody against them. They have a conference tournament coming up which if they don't win they are staying home this year...and secondly they are inconsistent this year with the bats. I don't believe platteville would win the NAC, I think they would be 3-4!
Quote from: ShineTime on May 07, 2009, 08:15:21 AM
Platteville would win the NAC no doubt about it and they couldn't finish top 4 in the WIAC.
Not a chance. Edgewood, the eighth place team in the NAC had Platteville down 6-2 after 8. EC's fourth starter had struck out 13 Pioneers. If not for a ninth inning bullpen implosion they would have won comfortably.
http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/baseball/2009/stats/2009bb33.htm
No way UWP finishes ahead of either CUC, Aurora or Rockford this year. ShineTime, the Master of Hyperbole, strikes again!
How about this for 2010? The WIAC/NAC shootout. Match the top with the top and the bottom with the bottom. Best overall record wins the series. I think the CCIW and SLIAC or MWC should do this as well. Would bring some regional rivalries together. Have a local complex host it in a one or two-day event with multiple games playing at once. It would be fun to watch and a fan could see everybody in one place.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 07, 2009, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 07, 2009, 08:15:21 AM
Platteville would win the NAC no doubt about it and they couldn't finish top 4 in the WIAC.
Not a chance. Edgewood, the eighth place team in the NAC had Platteville down 6-2 after 8. EC's fourth starter had struck out 13 Pioneers. If not for a ninth inning bullpen implosion they would have won comfortably.
http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/baseball/2009/stats/2009bb33.htm
No way UWP finishes ahead of either CUC, Aurora or Rockford this year. ShineTime, the Master of Hyperbole, strikes again!
I agree and do you know for a fact that CUW pitched their top guys too. You have to remember they just came off a four game weekend in which they were fighting for a spot in the NAC tournament, so i dont think there pitching staff was at full strength either.
Im not saying that the NAC is better then the WIAC, I just think that this season compared to the last one, the confrences seem pretty equal to me
I think the conferences this year are certainly about as equal as they have ever been! That's why I think the midwest region wouldn't be hurt by having one wiac and two NAC teams representing this year.
I think that the NAC has some great teams that can compete with anyone........ CUC is probably the best overall team in that conference, they can hit and they got 3 good starters............. For those of you who say they have played weak competition that is wrong....... CUC has beaten Illinois Wesleyan and Carthage by a good amount of runs..... They have also beat other schools like Augustana and Webster........ Their in region record is also very good....... As for Aurora and Rockford those are two good teams as well....... Aurora is a team with also good hitting and good pitching...... Yes the NAC does have some weak teams, but the top 6 teams in that conference can play with anybody.
Quote from: Dagger on May 07, 2009, 10:35:49 AM
Quote from: high and inside on May 07, 2009, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 07, 2009, 08:15:21 AM
Platteville would win the NAC no doubt about it and they couldn't finish top 4 in the WIAC.
How could you say that when CUW just swept Whitewater and they didnt even finish in the top four in the NAC.
First of all, WW did not pitch anybody against them. They have a conference tournament coming up which if they don't win they are staying home this year...and secondly they are inconsistent this year with the bats. I don't believe platteville would win the NAC, I think they would be 3-4!
UWW threw Dott (SP game 1), Hooper (SP game 2), Hanson, Lovera, Lee and Schmitz against CUW. That just may be their top six. If that's not their top six it's pretty close to it.
CUW didn't throw its ace (Pankow). The guy who beat UWW with a CG ... it was his first start of the year, according to CUW's stats. After the CG W his ERA is 7.50. CUW has one guy with an ERA under 5, and he didn't pitch against UWW.
Quote from: OshDude on May 07, 2009, 10:05:04 PM
Quote from: Dagger on May 07, 2009, 10:35:49 AM
Quote from: high and inside on May 07, 2009, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 07, 2009, 08:15:21 AM
Platteville would win the NAC no doubt about it and they couldn't finish top 4 in the WIAC.
How could you say that when CUW just swept Whitewater and they didnt even finish in the top four in the NAC.
First of all, WW did not pitch anybody against them. They have a conference tournament coming up which if they don't win they are staying home this year...and secondly they are inconsistent this year with the bats. I don't believe platteville would win the NAC, I think they would be 3-4!
UWW threw Dott (SP game 1), Hooper (SP game 2), Hanson, Lovera, Lee and Schmitz against CUW. That just may be their top six. If that's not their top six it's pretty close to it.
CUW didn't throw its ace (Pankow). The guy who beat UWW with a CG ... it was his first start of the year, according to CUW's stats. After the CG W his ERA is 7.50. CUW has one guy with an ERA under 5, and he didn't pitch against UWW.
It should be noted that Dott only went 5.0 innings in game one, gave up 2 hits, no runs or walks, with 6 SO's. In a normal (conference) game, he probably would've continued and been in position to take a win. The bullpen gave up 2 runs in each the 7th and 9th to take the loss. UWW's lack of offensive punch reared it's ugly head again by not putting away the competition and keeping the score within reach. This season long lack of offensive firepower is likely going to lead to their early exit in the WIAC tournament, IMO. Nevertheless, it's been a WIAC championship season - although going into the season, more was expected. But, a lot of things happened that were out of the ordinary (seemed to be a conference-wide affliction, however). ;)
I think it's fairly obvious this year that a WIAC team won't make it to Appleton. Like I stated all year if Whitewater wouldn't have had the bad luck with injuries and would've had all the guys back they were supposed to they would've been my favorite to win it this year. Oshkosh has also had horrible luck losing Demmin and Reubens. I'm not saying Point has no chance because they do have some solid pitchers but I just don't trust the consistency with the sticks. I'm really nervous about facing Dott tomorrow on his home field. Hopefully the defense will be sharp and we will only give up 1 maybe 2 runs.
Any thoughts if Bethany Lutheran win in UMAC vs. St. Scholastica will be enough to get them a bid to the regional? What if they win the UMAC tourney? And is St. Scholastica safe even if they lose the UMAC tourney?
I believe CSS is safe, and BLC only chance will be if they win the UMAC, as it has been stated before their OWP is bad. But with the WIAC down, and MIAC down, its possible.
Quote from: dukes on May 08, 2009, 12:07:18 AM
Any thoughts if Bethany Lutheran win in UMAC vs. St. Scholastica will be enough to get them a bid to the regional? What if they win the UMAC tourney? And is St. Scholastica safe even if they lose the UMAC tourney?
I believe CSS is safe, and BLC only chance will be if they win the UMAC, as it has been stated before their OWP is bad. But with the WIAC down, and MIAC down, its possible.
Doesnt matter that the WIAC and MIAC are down. It all depends on if CSS is one of the 6 best pool Bs. And going by years past, if you dont play well at the end of the year you dont make it and CSS is not playing well. The one thing they have going for them is a weak pool B class. If they lose the 1st or 2nd today its not looking good, if they force the if necessary game it looks better. If they win it they are in.
I have to believe that Point has a berth locked up regardless of how they do tomorrow unless they would get mercy ruled both games. Oshkosh is without question done for the year at least they better be after that performance today. Barely sqeaking by LaCrosse and getting blasted by Whitewater.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 08, 2009, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: dukes on May 08, 2009, 12:07:18 AM
Any thoughts if Bethany Lutheran win in UMAC vs. St. Scholastica will be enough to get them a bid to the regional? What if they win the UMAC tourney? And is St. Scholastica safe even if they lose the UMAC tourney?
I believe CSS is safe, and BLC only chance will be if they win the UMAC, as it has been stated before their OWP is bad. But with the WIAC down, and MIAC down, its possible.
Doesnt matter that the WIAC and MIAC are down. It all depends on if CSS is one of the 6 best pool Bs. And going by years past, if you dont play well at the end of the year you dont make it and CSS is not playing well. The one thing they have going for them is a weak pool B class. If they lose the 1st or 2nd today its not looking good, if they force the if necessary game it looks better. If they win it they are in.
WHoa whoa whoa....you are crazy if you think CSS hadnt clinched before this tournament even started......they were in no matter what...now they def are in.....this is a top 5 team and their record is incredible....what other pool b team are you taking over them????? not a chance dude...
I think they would of been in no matter what but you give the committee something to think about when you dont win your tourney.
I go by history of the committee, I dont go by opinion or just overall record. You have to weigh everything. You just need to relax a little bit baseballnut and see other peoples side of things. Ask Texas Tyler how their NCAA tourney experience was last year, a supposed lock.
But CSS is in and should still get the 2 seed unless Olaf wins the MIAC then they might get bumped to a 3.
Should be interesting what the seedings are going to be with Olaf sweeping Thomas.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 10, 2009, 06:38:28 PM
Should be interesting what the seedings are going to be with Olaf sweeping Thomas.
My guess:
1. St. Scholastica
2. St. Olaf
3. St. Thomas
4. UW Stevens Point
5. Concordia-Chicago
6. UW Whitewater
Its kind of sad that there has to be 6 pool B bids no matter if they are deserving.
As it turns out, there will be multiple Pool C eligible teams that won't get entry and Bethany Lutheran may get a shot purely because they have to find a 6th pool B team.
I do not see Bethany getting an invite.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 10, 2009, 10:14:06 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 10, 2009, 06:38:28 PM
Should be interesting what the seedings are going to be with Olaf sweeping Thomas.
My guess:
1. St. Scholastica
2. St. Olaf
3. St. Thomas
4. UW Stevens Point
5. Concordia-Chicago
6. UW Whitewater
Scholastica hasnt gotten any love the past 4 years, i dont think that will change
1. Olaf
2. Thomas
3. Scholastica
4. Point
5. CCU
6. UWW ( not sure if they make it)
Quote from: TheSportsFan on May 10, 2009, 10:26:01 PM
Its kind of sad that there has to be 6 pool B bids no matter if they are deserving.
As it turns out, there will be multiple Pool C eligible teams that won't get entry and Bethany Lutheran may get a shot purely because they have to find a 6th pool B team.
But remember these pool Bs dont have an automatic qualifier when all those pool Cs had a chance.
BLC wont make it
I do not think they necessarily deserve a Pool C bid, but I am getting a vibe from the d3baseball.com staff that Whitewater is going to sneak in......its just a hunch.
Why not put Aurora into the mix. They are 29-13 on the season and lost to CUC in the NAC final. CUC is def one of the hottest teams right now, and Aurora did beat them twice already this season.
I think that they should be compared to WW right now.
Quote from: high and inside on May 10, 2009, 11:22:27 PM
Why not put Aurora into the mix. They are 29-13 on the season and lost to CUC in the NAC final. CUC is def one of the hottest teams right now, and Aurora did beat them twice already this season.
I think that they should be compared to WW right now.
Thanks to Oshdudes blog stats, This is why Aurora is not in and its because of 3 letters OWP
on May 6th .486 for Aurora, UWW was .559 with very comparable in region records (couple games off)
Quote from: high and inside on May 10, 2009, 11:22:27 PM
Why not put Aurora into the mix. They are 29-13 on the season and lost to CUC in the NAC final. CUC is def one of the hottest teams right now, and Aurora did beat them twice already this season.
I think that they should be compared to WW right now.
Not gonna happen. The chances for a team to get in without appearing in the final regional rankings are almost non-existent.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 10, 2009, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: high and inside on May 10, 2009, 11:22:27 PM
Why not put Aurora into the mix. They are 29-13 on the season and lost to CUC in the NAC final. CUC is def one of the hottest teams right now, and Aurora did beat them twice already this season.
I think that they should be compared to WW right now.
Not gonna happen. The chances for a team to get in without appearing in the final regional rankings are almost non-existent.
Yea i agree with what your saying, but it just seems like WW is not deserving of that last spot.
They have lost quite a few games down the stretch to teams that were way sub-par. Plus i think the two loses to CUW after the last regional rankings hurts them as well. That has to be added in.
Quote from: high and inside on May 10, 2009, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 10, 2009, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: high and inside on May 10, 2009, 11:22:27 PM
Why not put Aurora into the mix. They are 29-13 on the season and lost to CUC in the NAC final. CUC is def one of the hottest teams right now, and Aurora did beat them twice already this season.
I think that they should be compared to WW right now.
Not gonna happen. The chances for a team to get in without appearing in the final regional rankings are almost non-existent.
Yea i agree with what your saying, but it just seems like WW is not deserving of that last spot.
They have lost quite a few games down the stretch to teams that were way sub-par. Plus i think the two loses to CUW after the last regional rankings hurts them as well. That has to be added in.
If UWW doesnt get the last spot then that spot will be going to a team outside of the midwest in my opinion.
1. St. Olaf (29-12)
2. St. Thomas (31-10)
3. St. Scholastica (35-5)
4. St. Norbert (23-13)
5. Wis.-Stevens Point (29-14)
6. Beloit (28-7)
UWW gets 3 seed in Central WOW
I think Olaf and CSS get nice first round matchups but will definately be interesting since Norbert and Beloit dont play the minnesota schools so they dont know each other that well
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 11, 2009, 02:23:29 AM
1. St. Olaf (29-12)
2. St. Thomas (31-10)
3. St. Scholastica (35-5)
4. St. Norbert (23-13)
5. Wis.-Stevens Point (29-14)
6. Beloit (28-7)
UWW gets 3 seed in Central WOW
I think Olaf and CSS get nice first round matchups but will definately be interesting since Norbert and Beloit dont play the minnesota schools so they dont know each other that well
The Toms get UWSP? Wow, what a horrible day for UST! No clue how SNC is ahead of UWSP. Anyone have an answer to that?
I was fairly certain about UWW. Shoulda trusted that same instinct and put Etta in there for the same reason: an awesome schedule with very good wins.
Glad Millsaps got shipped to Moline. At least it doesn't look like the Carthage Invite like it could have (without UWW and MC).
Quote from: OshDude on May 11, 2009, 02:51:20 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 11, 2009, 02:23:29 AM
1. St. Olaf (29-12)
2. St. Thomas (31-10)
3. St. Scholastica (35-5)
4. St. Norbert (23-13)
5. Wis.-Stevens Point (29-14)
6. Beloit (28-7)
UWW gets 3 seed in Central WOW
I think Olaf and CSS get nice first round matchups but will definately be interesting since Norbert and Beloit dont play the minnesota schools so they dont know each other that well
The Toms get UWSP? Wow, what a horrible day for UST! No clue how SNC is ahead of UWSP. Anyone have an answer to that?
I was fairly certain about UWW. Shoulda trusted that same instinct and put Etta in there for the same reason: an awesome schedule with very good wins.
Glad Millsaps got shipped to Moline. At least it doesn't look like the Carthage Invite like it could have (without UWW and MC).
Yea I dont know how St. Norbert got ahead of Point considering Point had a tougher schedule and better win percentage but thats the way it goes sometimes
The committee must have been doing crack-cocaine when they did the Midwest. How in the hell is Point not the number 1 seed? They won the WIAC(the best conference in D3) and are a f'n 5 seed. On top of it they get to play the 2nd best team in the region in St. Thomas. I thought the basketball bracket was a joke but this put me over the edge. I'll be hanging from a tree tonight over this one. This is the most embarrassing bracket and seeding I have ever seen in my lifetime. Did any of these people on the committee even graduate high school?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 10, 2009, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: high and inside on May 10, 2009, 11:22:27 PM
Why not put Aurora into the mix. They are 29-13 on the season and lost to CUC in the NAC final. CUC is def one of the hottest teams right now, and Aurora did beat them twice already this season.
I think that they should be compared to WW right now.
Not gonna happen. The chances for a team to get in without appearing in the final regional rankings are almost non-existent.
Yet Whitewater pulls it off this year, as they were not ranked in the final Regional Rankings....
Whitewater does not belong in regionals and yet got a #3 seed and Point gets a #5. Once again St. Scholastica plays no one all year and loses 5 games so they get a high seed. Is the committee every going to learn that they play cupcakes and are not a good team? How many years in a row does Point have to beat them?
Quote from: cubs on May 11, 2009, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 10, 2009, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: high and inside on May 10, 2009, 11:22:27 PM
Why not put Aurora into the mix. They are 29-13 on the season and lost to CUC in the NAC final. CUC is def one of the hottest teams right now, and Aurora did beat them twice already this season.
I think that they should be compared to WW right now.
Not gonna happen. The chances for a team to get in without appearing in the final regional rankings are almost non-existent.
Yet Whitewater pulls it off this year, as they were not ranked in the final Regional Rankings....
Someone did it last year, too. Though I cannot recall who it was. It rarely happens, but it is possible if the favorties win the Pool A bids.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 11, 2009, 10:21:15 AM
Whitewater does not belong in regionals and yet got a #3 seed and Point gets a #5. Once again St. Scholastica plays no one all year and loses 5 games so they get a high seed. Is the committee every going to learn that they play cupcakes and are not a good team? How many years in a row does Point have to beat them?
I agree that ranking UWSP under UWW after USWP won the WIAC is ludicrous. UWW went 3-2 the last weekend, lost the tournament, and that propelled them above the team that won the tournament and was originially ranked ahead of them????....logical?
CSS played St. Thomas x3, UW-Lacrosse, Penn State-Behrend, Manhattanville,etc... they made an effort to play some quality teams.
I'm sure Point would've been more than happy to travel to the easier regional and Whitewater could've came to Oshkosh. Point is basically a top 15 team in the country right now and their a 5 seed. D3 is almost getting to the point where it's not worth paying attention too. The committee screws things up in every sport. I still haven't gotten over that St. Thomas and Point played 2nd round for basketball. They've figured it out in high school that you need to seed properly so the best teams make the state tournament but they can't figure it out for college.
Seedings are always going to be questioned and scrutinized, either way, this regional is going to be extremely fun to watch!
Seedings a re pretty irrelavant... you have to be the best team there in order to move on.
Yup, the key decision for each program is to determine who they throw in game 1. If you can win Game 1 with your third or fourth starter and save 1 and 2, you are going to be in a very good position no matter what seed you go in as.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 11, 2009, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 11, 2009, 10:21:15 AM
Whitewater does not belong in regionals and yet got a #3 seed and Point gets a #5. Once again St. Scholastica plays no one all year and loses 5 games so they get a high seed. Is the committee every going to learn that they play cupcakes and are not a good team? How many years in a row does Point have to beat them?
I agree that ranking UWSP under UWW after USWP won the WIAC is ludicrous. UWW went 3-2 the last weekend, lost the tournament, and that propelled them above the team that won the tournament and was originially ranked ahead of them????....logical?
I think UWW or UWSP would have been the #3 in Moline and the #4 in Oshkosh. Just a matter of which was shipped. I think the real problem is SNC above UWSP. How is it even possible? I'm waiting until Wednesday to see if the NCAA says, "Sorry about that. We made a mistake."
I mean no disrespect to SNC. I saw that team play this year, and they're good. I have no doubts about that. I'm not predicting wins for SNC, just stating that I thought they were a quality squad. But every indicator that I have, um, points to Point having the better resume. I think all of the other seeds are correct, but SNC and UWSP should be flipped. Are there any SNC posters/lurkers out there who are not surprised at where they're seeded? If you're not surprised, could you state why?
For all of the people who think CSS gets hosed come regional time, considering the alternatives, I think you got a favorable draw this year.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 11, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
Yup, the key decision for each program is to determine who they throw in game 1. If you can win Game 1 with your third or fourth starter and save 1 and 2, you are going to be in a very good position no matter what seed you go in as.
UST was able to do that last year (first rd vs Knox) if I'm not mistaken. This year they'll probably have to throw Schuld the first game vs UWSP.
Quote from: PointerTime on May 11, 2009, 10:21:15 AM
Whitewater does not belong in regionals and yet got a #3 seed and Point gets a #5. Once again St. Scholastica plays no one all year and loses 5 games so they get a high seed. Is the committee every going to learn that they play cupcakes and are not a good team? How many years in a row does Point have to beat them?
History Lesson:1999 CSS 4 UWSP 3 (Ask Jesse Zimmer about burning a year of eligibilty to face one batter)
2005 CSS 5 UWSP 3
2006 CSS 4 UWSP 3 (Beat Zimmermann)
2007 CSS 3 UWSP 11 (Zimmermann beat them himself)
Advantage CSS 3-1
Quit whining! Everyone agrees they should have been higher. I honestly thought they would be the #2 seed.
Quote from: PointerTime on May 11, 2009, 09:35:27 AM
The committee must have been doing crack-cocaine when they did the Midwest. How in the hell is Point not the number 1 seed? They won the WIAC(the best conference in D3) and are a f'n 5 seed. On top of it they get to play the 2nd best team in the region in St. Thomas. I thought the basketball bracket was a joke but this put me over the edge. I'll be hanging from a tree tonight over this one. This is the most embarrassing bracket and seeding I have ever seen in my lifetime. Did any of these people on the committee even graduate high school?
Poing did not deserve a #1 seed, they deserved a #4 and got a 5 it happens. If they are the best team from what you claim then it wont matter cuz they will coast through the regional.
And Scholastica I believe did make the regional finals last year. And to say they are not ever a good team is pretty ignorant considering if they were that bad why was Bloom throwing Zimmermann against them 2 years in a row in the opening game of regionals (and when they went to the series in 06, Scholastica was the only team to beat them). Time to come out LaLa Land
Point does not deserve a 1-3 seed, but there is no logical explanation for st. norberts coming out ahead of them. I mean seriously, there is not one criteria (well maybe one or two) that norberts has in favor of UWSP this year! It is what it is, but I can't necessarily say that I would rather play CSS over the tommies. For some reason I always (and I believe the team as a whole) felt better playing UST than CSS. And no disrespect to UST because they are a perennial powerhouse for good reason, but the saints were always a very good team, that in my opinion just caved a little bit too much on the bigger stage of the NCAA tournament. They certainly have the ability to beat any and everyone in this regional! It will be very interesting to see how the midwest shakes out this year, hard to predict at this stage. Go Point! :)
Quote from: PointerTime on May 11, 2009, 10:21:15 AM
Whitewater does not belong in regionals and yet got a #3 seed and Point gets a #5. Once again St. Scholastica plays no one all year and loses 5 games so they get a high seed. Is the committee every going to learn that they play cupcakes and are not a good team? How many years in a row does Point have to beat them?
I played against CSS 3 times with the Pointers 05, 06, 07...they flat out know the game and can play...they are very well coached and are a hard working team...as far as not playing anybody, they don't choose who is in there conference, so that's out of their hands. I think its more along the lines of their track record is why they got the higher seed. Either way they'll have to beat a lot of good teams to be the regional champs.
I think Point will have the or one of the top 2 best pitching staffs in this regional though, which if the offense shows up may prove to be a very good thing for the pointers. I'm most afraid of the defense in such big games! Lots of young guys and guys playing new positions (cummings and thomas). I know they all have the ability, however they also havn't been 'here' before...we'll see, hopefully they all play like they have the past couple of weeks. They have been pretty sound here at the end, hopefully it stays that way!
What I like about each team
1. Olaf- Hitting!!! they will run out 9 guys that can swing it
2. Thomas- All around team including nations best defense, dominant ace
3. CSS- Best 1-2 pitching combo with depth and swinging it well at end of year
4. St. Norbert-Nothing flashy but Jared Yost will need to put up big numbers
5. Point- 3 good starters with a nice closer, always play well in postseason but need to hit better than .289
6. Beloit- Nice solid #1, play decent defense
No disrespect for SN but how do they get a 4 seed over Beloit when Beloits record is better and beat SN 4 of 6 times this season. SN had to be one of the last pool C teams taken, there are only two other teams in the tourney with worse records. I believe Point should have had the 4 seed, Beloit the 5 and SNC the 6 seed. I also think UWW should have been in the Midwest region with Beloit headed to the central.
I agree with that ranking, and I'm not totally convinced that SNC should even be a six seed honestly. There are teams in the NAC that deserve to still be playing, IMO more so than SNC! But then to get the 4 seed on top of it... ???
I disagree with the Midwest Regional Preview. From the preview:
Cinderella- UWSP
Bust- StO
Favorite- USt (slightly ahead of CSS).
With the way the bracket sets up, I think StO has to be the favorite, even if you don't like they're the best team in the region. They play the 6 seed to start out and if they win they play the loser of CSS-SNC. They could be in the 3rd rd winners bracket and have faced the 6 and 4 seeds.
Biggest potential to bust should be USt. They're not the #1 seed but they're considered the favorite and they'll have to beat UWSP and CSS back to back.
StO is a great team, but simply can not find a way to get through regionals! They are typically a highly ranked team coming into the tournament, and in my recollection have not made it out. I do not look for StO to make any noise in this regional. IMO the second round game versus CSS and the UWSP/UST winner will decide the champion of this regional. Either one of those three teams would be a fine representative of the region. I just don't see Olaf pulling it off this year, and the fact that they may walk into the third round game with almost no competition will only hurt them in my eyes! I'd be willing to bet that the winner of that second round game wins the tourney! :P
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 12, 2009, 11:13:24 AM
I disagree with the Midwest Regional Preview. From the preview:
Cinderella- UWSP
Bust- StO
Favorite- USt (slightly ahead of CSS).
With the way the bracket sets up, I think StO has to be the favorite, even if you don't like they're the best team in the region. They play the 6 seed to start out and if they win they play the loser of CSS-SNC. They could be in the 3rd rd winners bracket and have faced the 6 and 4 seeds.
Biggest potential to bust should be USt. They're not the #1 seed but they're considered the favorite and they'll have to beat UWSP and CSS back to back.
Olaf does have the easiest path towards the championship simply because they are the number 1 seed which is always a huge advantage. St. thomas is the favorite based on their team in my opinion. Best defense out there, deep staff, and every batter in their lineup knows their role.
CSS is the next best overall team
and Olaf has never made it to the World Series. In 06' they were 2-0 going against what seemed to be a favorable matchup against Ripon but lost to them and their next game.
All games involving UW-Whitewater in the Augustana Regional will be broadcast LIVE on KOOL 106.5.
The games will be streamed at: http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
The broadcast begins 15 minutes prior to game-time
Hope we can get the games in today. Not looking good here in Oshkosh, although it did stop sprinkling about 15 mins ago. Calling for 80% chance of rain from 10a-10p. Radar is all greens, yellows and reds. Hope the CSS radio crew packed their garbage bags and parasol this year ;).
Good luck Pointers
Quote from: voice on May 12, 2009, 05:33:39 PM
All games involving UW-Whitewater in the Augustana Regional will be broadcast LIVE on KOOL 106.5.
The games will be streamed at: http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
The broadcast begins 15 minutes prior to game-time
Thanks for the heads-up. Had no idea from looking at the various pages for the regional. Stay dry.
Anyone have any updates on Olaf/Beloit or if its delayed? apparently the stat crew isnt showing up til noon and Im having trouble accessing Olaf's radio broadcast.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 11:59:57 AM
Anyone have any updates on Olaf/Beloit or if its delayed? apparently the stat crew isnt showing up til noon and Im having trouble accessing Olaf's radio broadcast.
0-0 in 4th...
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 13, 2009, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 11:59:57 AM
Anyone have any updates on Olaf/Beloit or if its delayed? apparently the stat crew isnt showing up til noon and Im having trouble accessing Olaf's radio broadcast.
0-0 in 4th...
Thanks now 1-0 Olaf in 5th
You can also join us on the Daily Dose for discussion of all eight regionals. Follow along with us or contribute items from games you're following.
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/05/13/regionals-underway/
Not to squelch discussion here at all, please continue! Just hoping to get occasional contributions from those following the games.
Yeah, there's an AT&T issue at Oshkosh. Techs were called.
I've been calling the press box for updates, so that's what we're seeing on the Scoreboard. Calling every 20 minutes or so.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 13, 2009, 12:31:18 PM
You can also join us on the Daily Dose for discussion of all eight regionals. Follow along with us or contribute items from games you're following.
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/05/13/regionals-underway/
Not to squelch discussion here at all, please continue! Just hoping to get occasional contributions from those following the games.
Yeah, there's an AT&T issue at Oshkosh. Techs were called.
Thanks will do once live stats are available so i know whats going on.
Still 1-0 Olaf in the 8th
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 12:51:55 PM
Still 1-0 Olaf in the 8th
So what was the starting pitching match-up? I assume Beloit went with De George, but what about St. Olaf? Did they throw their #1?
Quote from: cubs on May 13, 2009, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 12:51:55 PM
Still 1-0 Olaf in the 8th
So what was the starting pitching match-up? I assume Beloit went with De George, but what about St. Olaf? Did they throw their #1?
I have no idea, just getting score updates and thats it
Gotcha..... Thanks anyway!!!
St. Olaf 1
Beloit 1
10th Inning
Quote from: cubs on May 13, 2009, 01:29:26 PM
Gotcha..... Thanks anyway!!!
St. Olaf 1
Beloit 1
10th Inning
Great opening round game. Having to burn up the bullpen early does not help either of these teams.
Live audio now on the scoreboard:
http://www.d3baseball.com/schedule/2009-05-13
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 13, 2009, 01:42:52 PM
Live audio now on the scoreboard:
http://www.d3baseball.com/schedule/2009-05-13
It could be just my computer but all I got was a page full of scrambled letters that looked like morse code from Jupiter
Good Stuff, I like it!
St. Olaf wins it 2-1 in 11 innings.....
when i click on live stats for the UST and UWSP game the box score from UWO and LAX pops up, any clue why that is? But the UST and UWSP logos are on the page in place of the other to teams logos. weird
IF the game hasn't started yet, that is probably why... once the game gets rolling, I think the old info will be replaced with live stuff, just a guess.
ya thats probably it, since the olaf game went into extras, they probably haven't started playing yet.
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 02:18:12 PM
when i click on live stats for the UST and UWSP game the box score from UWO and LAX pops up, any clue why that is? But the UST and UWSP logos are on the page in place of the other to teams logos. weird
Because the SID uploaded the new logos, but you can't activate the live stats until you have the starting lineups entered. So until he activates the live stats, it will display the last game played which is LAX and UWO, since BC vs. StO was never activated.
It's a good sign though that he was able to upload the logos. That likely means Live Stats will be working now.
I asked this on the daily dose too, but does anybody know who pitched in Game 1?
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2009, 02:28:11 PM
I asked this on the daily dose too, but does anybody know who pitched in Game 1?
On Beloits website to get an idea of what happened.
BUCCANEERS DROP NCAA OPENER IN 11
05/13/2009
Oshkosh, WI -- #1 seed St. Olaf College scored in the bottom of the 11th inning to defeat the Beloit College Baseball team 2-1 in the opening game of the NCAA Division III Midwest Regional in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, on Wednesday.
The Oles opened the scoring with an unearned run in the bottom of the fourth and made that stand up until the top of the ninth.
In the ninth, the Bucs loaded the bases with one out. A come-backer to the pitcher by Scott Slubowski looked like a game-ending double play but after St. Olaf got the second out at the plate the catcher threw the ball into right field, allowing pinch-runner Dan Edwards to score the tying run.
The teams traded scoring threats in the 10th before St. Olaf got men on first and third with one out. Tyler Jones then ended it with a single to center, scoring his brother, Carson Jones.
Hunter Nelson had three hits bfor Beloit while Ryan Schmitz and Jake Majeski each had two. But the Bucs, though out-hitting the Oles 11-6, stranded 13 on base, including eight in scoring position.
The Bucs now play the loser of the game between the University of St. Thomas and UW-Stevens Point on Thursday morning at 10:00 a.m.
Beloit College ip h r er bb so wp bk hbp ibb ab bf fo go
Rick Krajewski 8.1 4 1 0 1 4 0 0 0 1 26 30 7 14
Chris Welborn L,2-3 2.0 2 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 8 9 3 1
St. Olaf College ip h r er bb so wp bk hbp ibb ab bf fo go
Brandon Agneberg 7.1 6 0 0 1 7 0 0 0 0 28 30 7 7
Erik Olson 2.0 4 1 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 9 12 1 3
Pete Loizzo 0.2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 1
Todd Mathison W,6-4 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 1 2
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 02:51:49 PM
Beloit College ip h r er bb so wp bk hbp ibb ab bf fo go
Rick Krajewski 8.1 4 1 0 1 4 0 0 0 1 26 30 7 14
Chris Welborn L,2-3 2.0 2 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 8 9 3 1
St. Olaf College ip h r er bb so wp bk hbp ibb ab bf fo go
Brandon Agneberg 7.1 6 0 0 1 7 0 0 0 0 28 30 7 7
Erik Olson 2.0 4 1 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 9 12 1 3
Pete Loizzo 0.2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 1
Todd Mathison W,6-4 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 1 2
Be interesting to see what Olaf does tomorrow for pitching with Mathison pitching an inning today but would guess he would start tomorrow anyways since Alex Sommer just pitched 13 innings between Saturday/Sunday
is point and UST playing right now? live stats indicates no, but the radar looks pretty clear to me ???
Quote from: Dagger on May 13, 2009, 03:27:56 PM
is point and UST playing right now? live stats indicates no, but the radar looks pretty clear to me ???
I believe they started at 230, but oshkosh is having trouble with their live stats and wouldnt be available until at least 3
Points up 1-0, not sure on inning.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2009, 03:45:49 PM
Points up 1-0, not sure on inning.
Last report I got was Point leading 1-0 in the 3rd inning.
seriously with the live stats issues? I get the feeling all of these problems could have been fixed with a little preparation...two games and no live stats, sweet job UW0.
yah whats going on with this, the game is probably half over now, because i think it started at 1:30 CDT, because i believe all the games on the D3baseball.com website are listed in EDT.
Quote from: Dagger on May 13, 2009, 03:54:34 PM
seriously with the live stats issues? I get the feeling all of these problems could have been fixed with a little preparation...two games and no live stats, sweet job UW0.
You do realize you are getting on one of the two schools (Stout) that had live stats for EVERY regular season game.... ::)
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 03:58:47 PM
yah whats going on with this, the game is probably half over now, because i think it started at 1:30 CDT, because i believe all the games on the D3baseball.com website are listed in EDT.
A T&T isn't able to get the phone line fixed......
is this something that just happened today, or did UWO spend 0 time looking into any of this and just not realize that they weren't able to support live stats at EJ? Wasn't there issues up there last year with the same thing for regionals? If you're going to put in to host a regional tourney can you at least offer the basic amenities like a decent field, and support to those that can't be there...like EVERY other region does!
3-0 Point, 6th.
thanks for the updates I appreciate it
Ya, it sucks not having the live stats up and running... I'll keep em comings as I find out.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2009, 04:04:13 PM
3-0 Point, 6th.
thanks for the update!..where are you getting it from?
grand slam for st thomas...4-3 top 7
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2009, 04:04:13 PM
3-0 Point, 6th.
thanks for the update!..where are you getting it from?
a contact of a contact with a contact on site... fyi, the slam was after 2 UWSP errors
Quote from: Dagger on May 13, 2009, 04:03:54 PM
is this something that just happened today, or did UWO spend 0 time looking into any of this and just not realize that they weren't able to support live stats at EJ? Wasn't there issues up there last year with the same thing for regionals? If you're going to put in to host a regional tourney can you at least offer the basic amenities like a decent field, and support to those that can't be there...like EVERY other region does!
Christ did Shinetime steal your password or something? :)
I was able to follow Live Stats just fine last season, so there weren't any problems as far as I know. Weren't you busy playing at this time last year anyway?
As far as complaining about the field, someone else put in a better bid then if it's so bad... Obviously no one did, OR the majority of the people are just fine with how things have gone the first 19 times UWO/EJ ran the Regional.
4-4
I feel for the SIDs who are struggling with the Live Stats right now. It's terribly frustrating when you're trying to get things done the right way, but another entity stands in the way.
Three words every SID should know: Mobile Broadband Card.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 13, 2009, 04:37:10 PM
I feel for the SIDs who are struggling with the Live Stats right now. It's terribly frustrating when you're trying to get things done the right way, but another entity stands in the way.
Three words every SID should know: Mobile Broadband Card.
I agree....
Like I said before, I would be upset I suppose if it wasn't for the fact that UWO had live stats for every one of their games this season. Sometimes things happen that are out of your control, and this seems to be the case in this instance.
Quote from: cubs on May 13, 2009, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: Dagger on May 13, 2009, 04:03:54 PM
is this something that just happened today, or did UWO spend 0 time looking into any of this and just not realize that they weren't able to support live stats at EJ? Wasn't there issues up there last year with the same thing for regionals? If you're going to put in to host a regional tourney can you at least offer the basic amenities like a decent field, and support to those that can't be there...like EVERY other region does!
Christ did Shinetime steal your password or something? :)
I was able to follow Live Stats just fine last season, so there weren't any problems as far as I know. Weren't you busy playing at this time last year anyway?
As far as complaining about the field, someone else put in a better bid then if it's so bad... Obviously no one did, OR the majority of the people are just fine with how things have gone the first 19 times UWO/EJ ran the Regional.
haha...I'm a little irritable today, just ignore my random babbling! :)
I thought I heard some people complaining last year about this up here, guess I'm making it up!
There are better fields in the area, and no I don't think witter is better, and yes I know nobody else put in for it...haha I'm going to go take a nap! :D
I've always thought Warner Park in Madison would be a great site for a regional, either the Central or the Midwest. I've heard it's been suggested a couple of times, but the City of Madison is reluctant to kick out the high schools (children of taxpayers) who use it for five days.
that would be a great location, what about any of the northwoods league stadiums? Wausau is questionable, but Eau claire is awesome...
do we have an inning/ who was pitching for point to start (and if different for the slam)?
point had 2nd and 3rd with no outs, didn't score in the 8th
4-4, top of 9
defense...defense...defense...that's what will get you through regionals, and if you don't play good D, look what happens...grand salami...not over yet pointers! go get it in the 9th!
defense was my only real concern coming into regionals this year...so far for good reason.
but given our past late inning heroics, look out tommies (see ripon from 07) ;)
Quote from: Dagger on May 13, 2009, 05:09:22 PM
defense was my only real concern coming into regionals this year...so far for good reason.
but given our past late inning heroics, look out tommies (see ripon from 07) ;)
probably the best comeback i've ever been a part of or seen...all off of the same pitcher too...unbelievable
Quote from: Dagger on May 13, 2009, 04:55:06 PM
that would be a great location, what about any of the northwoods league stadiums? Wausau is questionable, but Eau claire is awesome...
I wouldn't do Wausau either (315, 360, 312 and no parking), but Eau Claire or La Crosse would be good too. I doubt UW-Eau Claire would want to host since they don't have a team. La Crosse would work though. Either Edgewood or UW-W could host in Madison. I haven't seen Green Bay's park for the Bullfrogs, but maybe St. Norbert could host there.
the bull frogs place is nice, but I think the mallards place would be the best overall atmosphere with all things considered
any news on the 9th for the UWSP/UST game?
4-4 bottom 10
nm...i see it has gone to extras....wish i was there!
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2009, 05:22:30 PM
4-4 bottom 10
Another game going extras, good start to the regional with teams having to use more arms
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2009, 05:22:30 PM
4-4 bottom 10
Another game going extras, good start to the regional with teams having to use more arms
yup, be prepared to see some slug fests later in the week!
Quote from: Just Bill on May 13, 2009, 05:13:47 PM
Quote from: Dagger on May 13, 2009, 04:55:06 PM
that would be a great location, what about any of the northwoods league stadiums? Wausau is questionable, but Eau claire is awesome...
I wouldn't do Wausau either (315, 360, 312 and no parking), but Eau Claire or La Crosse would be good too. I doubt UW-Eau Claire would want to host since they don't have a team. La Crosse would work though. Either Edgewood or UW-W could host in Madison. I haven't seen Green Bay's park for the Bullfrogs, but maybe St. Norbert could host there.
How many seats would be needed to host a regional? Marian just built a new park in Fond du Lac but I don't know if it has enough seating. Looking at pictures I would say 500-600.
1st and 3rd with 1 out, point grounds into double play
I'm not sure on the seating requirements if there are any, but the field needs to have lights, and two batting cages, and some other stuff too. The lights requirement is the biggest hurdle for many locations across the region, and the fields that do have lights are then not affiliated with any local schools so there's always a hassle with getting that all set up and everything.
what a game! this is what you go through all that crap all year long for...oh I can feel the adrenaline flowing on those guys right now!
Quote from: Dagger on May 13, 2009, 05:36:47 PM
I'm not sure on the seating requirements if there are any, but the field needs to have lights, and two batting cages, and some other stuff too. The lights requirement is the biggest hurdle for many locations across the region, and the fields that do have lights are then not affiliated with any local schools so there's always a hassle with getting that all set up and everything.
It has lights, I mentioned it because it is the only school owned field I can think of in the area that has lights. The batting cages I have no clue about. I haven't had a chance to see it since it has been built. And I don't think there are any locker rooms close. The soccer field might have some about a block away and if not then the gym is another block farther away.
FYI: Live stats are now up and running in Oshkosh
http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/livestats3/xlive.htm
locker rooms aren't needed, I think the lights and the double cages are what eliminate most schools from applying for their own field to host. That would be a good spot though, pretty central location (except for the miac schools and CSS)
looks like point is dominating the offensive side of things only to be tied...10 hits to 4, and an uncharacteristic 3 error performance from the tommies! interesting...
if point losses this game it will be absolutely crushing to take that lose under those circumstances. You hit the ball well all game, they dont and you play cleaner defensively...just make one mistake and give up a granny to tie it up...
This is just one of those games that could totally deflate a team, or it could totally jack them up also, guess we'll see...I mean Point is going to win anyway so maybe we wont see ;D
does matt schuld have a rubber arm?! 12 ip!!! i guess they don't plan on using him the rest of the week.
looks like arch is having a good day at the dish, good to see him get hot...that will be huge for the pointers.
that 12 innings is on 3 days rest...
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2009, 05:56:03 PM
that 12 innings is on 3 days rest...
well i guess he does have a rubber arm then.
13 LOB for steven point...that hurts
Burning pitchers.... :o
Tommies definately take a risk by keeping Edwards out there--he has only thrown 6 innings all year. But throwing well it looks like
Point and the Tommies are into the 16th!
What does that do their bullpens?
(Serious question... asking for strategies for what just became an 8-team bracket for those two pitching staffs.)
Correction...top of the 17th!
Wow!!! I just get done with my HS teams practice to come in and see the score is the same as when I left, and they have played another whole game.
AWESOME game!!!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 06:56:48 PM
Point and the Tommies are into the 16th!
What does that do their bullpens?
(Serious question... asking for strategies for what just became an 8-team bracket for those two pitching staffs.)
Correction...top of the 17th!
Tommies went with a different strategy than Point. Tommies picked a pitched not utilized much where Point uses their best. This game kills point because it knocks out 2 top pitchers, tommies are still ok for now.
Olaf, Scholastica, Norbert are loving this game though
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 07:02:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 06:56:48 PM
Point and the Tommies are into the 16th!
What does that do their bullpens?
(Serious question... asking for strategies for what just became an 8-team bracket for those two pitching staffs.)
Correction...top of the 17th!
Tommies went with a different strategy than Point. Tommies picked a pitched not utilized much where Point uses their best. This game kills point because it knocks out 2 top pitchers, tommies are still ok for now.
Olaf, Scholastica, Norbert are loving this game though
how do you know a low utilizer pitcher won't do the same for stevens point in a different game?
Anyone know the NCAA Tournament record for the longest game?
walk off homer to win it for the tommies...what a heart breaker for the pointers
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 07:02:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 06:56:48 PM
Point and the Tommies are into the 16th!
What does that do their bullpens?
(Serious question... asking for strategies for what just became an 8-team bracket for those two pitching staffs.)
Correction...top of the 17th!
Tommies went with a different strategy than Point. Tommies picked a pitched not utilized much where Point uses their best. This game kills point because it knocks out 2 top pitchers, tommies are still ok for now.
Olaf, Scholastica, Norbert are loving this game though
how do you know a low utilizer pitcher won't do the same for stevens point in a different game?
I do know because I checked my crystal ball ;D
You never know, thats why they play the game but just saying by looking at the stats
As important as this game is, I think St. Thomas has the right idea, and maybe both teams do. Either way, you live and die by the pitcher who is out there, as you know that you have more games to play, win or lose. You have to play to win the tournament, not just go farther. If it means you dont throw your best pitchers to win game one, so be it. In my opinion.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2009, 07:02:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 06:56:48 PM
Point and the Tommies are into the 16th!
What does that do their bullpens?
(Serious question... asking for strategies for what just became an 8-team bracket for those two pitching staffs.)
Correction...top of the 17th!
Tommies went with a different strategy than Point. Tommies picked a pitched not utilized much where Point uses their best. This game kills point because it knocks out 2 top pitchers, tommies are still ok for now.
Olaf, Scholastica, Norbert are loving this game though
how do you know a low utilizer pitcher won't do the same for stevens point in a different game?
I do know because I checked my crystal ball ;D
You never know, thats why they play the game but just saying by looking at the stats
oh i gotta get me one of those..haha....i understand why you said it..point definitely has their work cut out for them now....mentally, that game kills you if you lose.
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 07:07:47 PM
walk off homer to win it for the tommies...what a heart breaker for the pointers
Now I want to see the Pointers pick themselves up and win the Regional. ;)
This is great fun! :)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 07:07:47 PM
walk off homer to win it for the tommies...what a heart breaker for the pointers
Now I want to see the Pointers pick themselves up and win the Regional. ;)
This is great fun! :)
Wouldn't that be something?! Definitely be the story of D-3 regionals this year at the world series banquet!
Quote from: Just Bill on May 13, 2009, 07:05:03 PM
Anyone know the NCAA Tournament record for the longest game?
Answered my own question. It's the longest NCAA Division III Tournament game in history (in terms of innings.)
The previous record was 16 innings in the 2005 Finals. Wartburg 8, Rowan 6.
Division II had a 19-inning game in the 2008 Finals.
The Division I record is also 19 innings, done in a regional in 1988.
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 07:17:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 07:07:47 PM
walk off homer to win it for the tommies...what a heart breaker for the pointers
Now I want to see the Pointers pick themselves up and win the Regional. ;)
This is great fun! :)
Wouldn't that be something?! Definitely be the story of D-3 regionals this year at the world series banquet!
Are the Tommies set up for a huge letdown tomorrow?
Possibly, definately a long game and a lot of energy flowing through the body.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 07:19:47 PM
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 07:17:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 13, 2009, 07:07:47 PM
walk off homer to win it for the tommies...what a heart breaker for the pointers
Now I want to see the Pointers pick themselves up and win the Regional. ;)
This is great fun! :)
Wouldn't that be something?! Definitely be the story of D-3 regionals this year at the world series banquet!
Are the Tommies set up for a huge letdown tomorrow?
If anybody knows how to coach a team through the losers bracket it's Coach Bloom, he's done wonders with the teams in the past facing elimination, minus last year (huge let down by us).
Scholastica Norbert delayed due to rain, tarp is on the field
Game has been moved to 10am
Some random notes from today
• Was sitting near a guy doing book. He had Schuld at 185 pitches. For comparison's sake the Beloit SP Rick Krajewski threw well under 100 in game 1.
• Word is UST SP Brandon Stone is injured and is expected to miss the regional. There's supposedly another UST P who's iffy.
• Crazy bad at-bats all day. UST/UWSP was like an extra-inning Olympic softball game. Seemed like there was a runner on 2B with no out quite often. Of course it took a dong to get the mother over.
• Wind was blowing in hard from CF during the first game. Anything in the air was an out.
• Koback and Arch made some spectacular diving catches in the OF.
• Agneberg and Krajewski had awesome mixes. Neither light up guns, but Krajewski's fastball even look like it broke and Agneberg's curve tilt was nasty.
• Very little wind in game 2. The little wind that blew was toward the LF corner. Guess what? There were two oppo wall scrapers to LF (Arch's and Schmitz's HRs went about 325 apiece). Rahm's walkoff was a bomb – 380-ish to LF.
• UST turned some gutsy DPs, the most impressive of which was 1 out with runners on 1st and 3rd in the 8th. Thomas hit a semihard one-hopper to Schuld 5 feet in front of the mound. The runner broke from 3rd and was meat, but Schuld wheeled and got a bang-banger at 2nd and then another at 1st. Another was after Koback was on 2B with 0 outs in the 10th. And that was one after UWSP had a leadoff 2B in the 9th and failed to score (Spurney 5-3 ... not a bunt, Surman F9, Rennicke F9). UWSP had soooo many opportunities.
• To say UST had problems with the bats is understating it. Williams was just blowing batters away. Some guys, even in the middle of the UST order, were not even close to touching him, except when Schmitz dropped the barrel on one pitch of course. Was fairly certain the game would end whenever Point decided to clutch up and/or play situational ball. I'll be wrong again sometime soon.
• The matchup in game 3 was going to be Burg vs. Hillesheim. Pretty sure it was Hillesheim, anyway. Water in my face doesn't help my vision. Burg for sure, though.
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2009, 09:17:07 PM
Some random notes from today
• Was sitting near a guy doing book. He had Schuld at 185 pitches. For comparison's sake the Beloit SP Rick Krajewski threw well under 100 in game 1.
• Word is UST SP Brandon Stone is injured and is expected to miss the regional. There's supposedly another UST P who's iffy.
• Crazy bad at-bats all day. UST/UWSP was like an extra-inning Olympic softball game. Seemed like there was a runner on 2B with no out quite often. Of course it took a dong to get the mother over.
• Wind was blowing in hard from CF during the first game. Anything in the air was an out.
• Koback and Arch made some spectacular diving catches in the OF.
• Agneberg and Krajewski had awesome mixes. Neither light up guns, but Krajewski's fastball even look like it broke and Agneberg's curve tilt was nasty.
• Very little wind in game 2. The little wind that blew was toward the LF corner. Guess what? There were two oppo wall scrapers to LF (Arch's and Schmitz's HRs went about 325 apiece). Rahm's walkoff was a bomb – 380-ish to LF.
• UST turned some gutsy DPs, the most impressive of which was 1 out with runners on 1st and 3rd in the 8th. Thomas hit a semihard one-hopper to Schuld 5 feet in front of the mound. The runner broke from 3rd and was meat, but Schuld wheeled and got a bang-banger at 2nd and then another at 1st. Another was after Koback was on 2B with 0 outs in the 10th. And that was one after UWSP had a leadoff 2B in the 9th and failed to score (Spurney 5-3 ... not a bunt, Surman F9, Rennicke F9). UWSP had soooo many opportunities.
• To say UST had problems with the bats is understating it. Williams was just blowing batters away. Some guys, even in the middle of the UST order, were not even close to touching him, except when Schmitz dropped the barrel on one pitch of course. Was fairly certain the game would end whenever Point decided to clutch up and/or play situational ball. I'll be wrong again sometime soon.
• The matchup in game 3 was going to be Burg vs. Hillesheim. Pretty sure it was Hillesheim, anyway. Water in my face doesn't help my vision. Burg for sure, though.
Check that SNC was throwing Wotacheck not Hillesheim. As for the UWSP vs UST game, wow what an ugly last 9 innings. Not one player could clutch up in that game, besides the walk off bomb. How a team can have 4 hits through 15 innings is unreal, then to win on top of it! wow.
Quote from: Bump_and_Run on May 13, 2009, 10:42:03 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2009, 09:17:07 PM
Some random notes from today
• Was sitting near a guy doing book. He had Schuld at 185 pitches. For comparison's sake the Beloit SP Rick Krajewski threw well under 100 in game 1.
• Word is UST SP Brandon Stone is injured and is expected to miss the regional. There's supposedly another UST P who's iffy.
• Crazy bad at-bats all day. UST/UWSP was like an extra-inning Olympic softball game. Seemed like there was a runner on 2B with no out quite often. Of course it took a dong to get the mother over.
• Wind was blowing in hard from CF during the first game. Anything in the air was an out.
• Koback and Arch made some spectacular diving catches in the OF.
• Agneberg and Krajewski had awesome mixes. Neither light up guns, but Krajewski's fastball even look like it broke and Agneberg's curve tilt was nasty.
• Very little wind in game 2. The little wind that blew was toward the LF corner. Guess what? There were two oppo wall scrapers to LF (Arch's and Schmitz's HRs went about 325 apiece). Rahm's walkoff was a bomb – 380-ish to LF.
• UST turned some gutsy DPs, the most impressive of which was 1 out with runners on 1st and 3rd in the 8th. Thomas hit a semihard one-hopper to Schuld 5 feet in front of the mound. The runner broke from 3rd and was meat, but Schuld wheeled and got a bang-banger at 2nd and then another at 1st. Another was after Koback was on 2B with 0 outs in the 10th. And that was one after UWSP had a leadoff 2B in the 9th and failed to score (Spurney 5-3 ... not a bunt, Surman F9, Rennicke F9). UWSP had soooo many opportunities.
• To say UST had problems with the bats is understating it. Williams was just blowing batters away. Some guys, even in the middle of the UST order, were not even close to touching him, except when Schmitz dropped the barrel on one pitch of course. Was fairly certain the game would end whenever Point decided to clutch up and/or play situational ball. I'll be wrong again sometime soon.
• The matchup in game 3 was going to be Burg vs. Hillesheim. Pretty sure it was Hillesheim, anyway. Water in my face doesn't help my vision. Burg for sure, though.
Check that SNC was throwing Wotacheck not Hillesheim. As for the UWSP vs UST game, wow what an ugly last 9 innings. Not one player could clutch up in that game, besides the walk off bomb. How a team can have 4 hits through 15 innings is unreal, then to win on top of it! wow.
By ugly I mean the hitting aspect, I believe in the last 9 innings there was only one error, but UST had 4 for the game
Quote from: Bump_and_Run on May 13, 2009, 10:42:03 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2009, 09:17:07 PM
Some random notes from today
• Was sitting near a guy doing book. He had Schuld at 185 pitches. For comparison's sake the Beloit SP Rick Krajewski threw well under 100 in game 1.
• Word is UST SP Brandon Stone is injured and is expected to miss the regional. There's supposedly another UST P who's iffy.
• Crazy bad at-bats all day. UST/UWSP was like an extra-inning Olympic softball game. Seemed like there was a runner on 2B with no out quite often. Of course it took a dong to get the mother over.
• Wind was blowing in hard from CF during the first game. Anything in the air was an out.
• Koback and Arch made some spectacular diving catches in the OF.
• Agneberg and Krajewski had awesome mixes. Neither light up guns, but Krajewski's fastball even look like it broke and Agneberg's curve tilt was nasty.
• Very little wind in game 2. The little wind that blew was toward the LF corner. Guess what? There were two oppo wall scrapers to LF (Arch's and Schmitz's HRs went about 325 apiece). Rahm's walkoff was a bomb – 380-ish to LF.
• UST turned some gutsy DPs, the most impressive of which was 1 out with runners on 1st and 3rd in the 8th. Thomas hit a semihard one-hopper to Schuld 5 feet in front of the mound. The runner broke from 3rd and was meat, but Schuld wheeled and got a bang-banger at 2nd and then another at 1st. Another was after Koback was on 2B with 0 outs in the 10th. And that was one after UWSP had a leadoff 2B in the 9th and failed to score (Spurney 5-3 ... not a bunt, Surman F9, Rennicke F9). UWSP had soooo many opportunities.
• To say UST had problems with the bats is understating it. Williams was just blowing batters away. Some guys, even in the middle of the UST order, were not even close to touching him, except when Schmitz dropped the barrel on one pitch of course. Was fairly certain the game would end whenever Point decided to clutch up and/or play situational ball. I'll be wrong again sometime soon.
• The matchup in game 3 was going to be Burg vs. Hillesheim. Pretty sure it was Hillesheim, anyway. Water in my face doesn't help my vision. Burg for sure, though.
Check that SNC was throwing Wotacheck not Hillesheim. As for the UWSP vs UST game, wow what an ugly last 9 innings. Not one player could clutch up in that game, besides the walk off bomb. How a team can have 4 hits through 15 innings is unreal, then to win on top of it! wow.
Thanks for the correction, Bump. Dude was warming up 600 feet away from me through the rain. Could only tell for sure that he was a RHP and that it wasn't Jandron, who was at 1B. Thought I saw a 4 on his back. Musta been a 1. Who knows LOL.
Jeff Potrykus of the Milwaukee JS was covering the Oshkosh games. A couple of decent Bloom quotes here (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/statecolleges.html).
Something I overheard a UST senior say as he was putting his bag over a shoulder: "I can't imagine what it feels like to lose a game like that." Not a hint of glibness or a wink in his voice, either. Ten minutes after his team won a regional game on a walkoff HR in the 17th and he was already placing things in that perspective? Kinda cool.
I was completely dejected last night after that game! haha...I couldn't concentrate or nothing. Which by the way if you ever try to put up crown molding, make sure you're mentally prepared to tackle the job! My god i was ready to just burn the house down and start anew. it's definitely a patience tester! I digress...I'm interested to see how this years team handles not only a first round loss, but 'that' fist round loss. In the past we have used it as fuel and steamed through the rest of the games, but things change. Point needs a situation like the 06 (i think) regional where every team remaining had one loss and it was winner take all on the last day. (that might have been a four team regional though...idk) but if they could get into a deal like that then that will help out a team like point immensely.
Scholastica takes a 1-0 lead in the bottom of 1 with a leadoff HR by Brian Marshik
Would not be surprised to see a few HR's today, as the wind should be blowing straight out to LF.
CSS was my pick to win it, if nothing else but for sentimental reasons, so I'm gald to see them jump out to an early 2-0 lead. I would have liked to see more than two runs though, when you have the bases loaded and nobody out, with a run already in.
Go Saints!!!! ;D
How long do you stay with Wotachek if you are SNC? He obviously doesn't have much today, as he has only retired two of the first seven batters he's faced.
I know you don't want to run through your bullpen in your first game, but at the same time runs will likely be a premium off a pitcher like Burg, so if you get down three or four runs, it MAY be too late.
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2009, 09:17:07 PM
Some random notes from today
• Was sitting near a guy doing book. He had Schuld at 185 pitches. For comparison's sake the Beloit SP Rick Krajewski threw well under 100 in game 1.
• Word is UST SP Brandon Stone is injured and is expected to miss the regional. There's supposedly another UST P who's iffy.
• Crazy bad at-bats all day. UST/UWSP was like an extra-inning Olympic softball game. Seemed like there was a runner on 2B with no out quite often. Of course it took a dong to get the mother over.
• Wind was blowing in hard from CF during the first game. Anything in the air was an out.
• Koback and Arch made some spectacular diving catches in the OF.
• Agneberg and Krajewski had awesome mixes. Neither light up guns, but Krajewski's fastball even look like it broke and Agneberg's curve tilt was nasty.
• Very little wind in game 2. The little wind that blew was toward the LF corner. Guess what? There were two oppo wall scrapers to LF (Arch's and Schmitz's HRs went about 325 apiece). Rahm's walkoff was a bomb – 380-ish to LF.
• UST turned some gutsy DPs, the most impressive of which was 1 out with runners on 1st and 3rd in the 8th. Thomas hit a semihard one-hopper to Schuld 5 feet in front of the mound. The runner broke from 3rd and was meat, but Schuld wheeled and got a bang-banger at 2nd and then another at 1st. Another was after Koback was on 2B with 0 outs in the 10th. And that was one after UWSP had a leadoff 2B in the 9th and failed to score (Spurney 5-3 ... not a bunt, Surman F9, Rennicke F9). UWSP had soooo many opportunities.
• To say UST had problems with the bats is understating it. Williams was just blowing batters away. Some guys, even in the middle of the UST order, were not even close to touching him, except when Schmitz dropped the barrel on one pitch of course. Was fairly certain the game would end whenever Point decided to clutch up and/or play situational ball. I'll be wrong again sometime soon.
• The matchup in game 3 was going to be Burg vs. Hillesheim. Pretty sure it was Hillesheim, anyway. Water in my face doesn't help my vision. Burg for sure, though.
Oshdude have you EVER seen the type of pitching performances as yesterdays Point/Tommies game? Given the turnover on the Pointer team from last year, very proud of what they have accomplished this year. Hate to see it come to an end, but the offense has got to show up or they are done. Error free baseball wouldn't hurt either. Pitchers can only do so much, and I think Williams and Zielke went above and beyond what should be expected. Here's hoping the bats show up today.
Well, after allowing seven of the first ten Saints to reach base safely, it appears Wotachek has settled down, retiring the last five Saints in order, to keep things close with CSS leading 2-0 going into the 4th inning.
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 12:03:17 PM
Well, after allowing seven of the first ten Saints to reach base safely, it appears Wotachek has settled down, retiring the last five Saints in order, to keep things close with CSS leading 2-0 going into the 4th inning.
Probably happy to get out of bases loaded with one out including facing Claugherty
Looks like all of us in Wisconsin will get to see a showdown between CSS and St. Thomas later tonight, as the Saints have opened things up on SNC and lead them 5-0 after four innings.
Even though Mathison threw in relief yesterday, I would still expect to see Kummet -vs- Mathison later today for the right to stay unbeaten.
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 12:25:16 PM
Looks like all of us in Wisconsin will get to see a showdown between CSS and St. Thomas later tonight, as the Saints have opened things up on SNC and lead them 5-0 after four innings.
Even though Mathison threw in relief yesterday, I would still expect to see Kummet -vs- Mathison later today for the right to stay unbeaten.
If CSS wins they play St. Thomas, Mathison pitches for St. Olaf so Kummet vs Mathison wont happen today
If it did happen, it would be an interesting situation, not sure the NCAA would allow it, I think there are some rules about trades during the post season.... haha
Quote from: biggio34 on May 14, 2009, 12:28:49 PM
If it did happen, it would be an interesting situation, not sure the NCAA would allow it, I think there are some rules about trades during the post season.... haha
Probably a lot of paper work involved in trades
We got a ballgame folks!
Is there a reason SP didn't bring their full 35 man roster down? Kinda disappointing for the players to put in a whole season and then told to stay home when it comes tourney time.
I think there may be some NCAA rules on the roster size for tournament games. If that's not the case I don't know why you wouldn't bring them. It's only about an hour and a half from Point to Oshkosh.
Hickory is correct....
The NCAA sets a limit for the number of players that can be in uniform once Regional play begins. Part of it is due to the fact that the NCAA pays meal money and hotel accomodations for the tournament, and it would get quite expensive if some teams were suiting up 35-40 players.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 14, 2009, 12:27:19 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 12:25:16 PM
Looks like all of us in Wisconsin will get to see a showdown between CSS and St. Thomas later tonight, as the Saints have opened things up on SNC and lead them 5-0 after four innings.
Even though Mathison threw in relief yesterday, I would still expect to see Kummet -vs- Mathison later today for the right to stay unbeaten.
If CSS wins they play St. Thomas, Mathison pitches for St. Olaf so Kummet vs Mathison wont happen today
Yikes!!!! Talk about being embarassed!!! :-[
Sorry guys, I was thinking Stone, but for some reason typed Mathison not once, but TWICE!!!! Sorry!!! :-[
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 12:25:16 PM
Looks like all of us in Wisconsin will get to see a showdown between CSS and St. Thomas later tonight, as the Saints have opened things up on SNC and lead them 5-0 after four innings.
Even though Mathison threw in relief yesterday, I would still expect to see Kummet -vs- Mathison later today for the right to stay unbeaten.
Ooops!!!
That's what I get for looking ahead! Just like that, SNC has a big inning, andd cuts CSS's lead.
Now 6-5 heading to the 8th.... Kummett in relief if SNC threatens, or trust your senior Burg to get the job done?
Retka has been the guy all year they go to... they won't burn kummit unless they have to
Quote from: biggio34 on May 14, 2009, 01:22:07 PM
Retka has been the guy all year they go to... they won't burn kummit unless they have to
Good call!!!!
It's nice having guys who follow the teams on a consistent basis around here to give us an idea of what might happen.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 14, 2009, 01:22:07 PM
Retka has been the guy all year they go to... they won't burn kummit unless they have to
Or they will bring in Adams who has been closing all year
Not sure if the UMAC tourney performance for Adams will affect the coaching decision or not.
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 01:11:19 PM
Hickory is correct....
The NCAA sets a limit for the number of players that can be in uniform once Regional play begins. Part of it is due to the fact that the NCAA pays meal money and hotel accomodations for the tournament, and it would get quite expensive if some teams were suiting up 35-40 players.
You can play 24 players, 34 total dugout personnel which includes coaches (32 uniform, 2 non-uniform)
Quote from: biggio34 on May 14, 2009, 01:30:27 PM
Not sure if the UMAC tourney performance for Adams will affect the coaching decision or not.
True, I thought Adams pitched well just some bad breaks that game
Tie game, solo bomb, big game by Yost
WOW, what a tournament this is shaking out to be.. every game is outstanding, we have lots of baseball left over the next few days!
If Claugherty could have clutched up and got a hit one of the three previous AB's he had earlier, this game would likely be over. My prediction..... He gets another chance and comes through this time!!!
if we don't quit having these extra inning games they won't finish until after mignight tonight.
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
If Claugherty could have clutched up and got a hit one of the three previous AB's he had earlier, this game would likely be over. My prediction..... He gets another chance and comes through this time!!!
good prediction
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
If Claugherty could have clutched up and got a hit one of the three previous AB's he had earlier, this game would likely be over. My prediction..... He gets another chance and comes through this time!!!
Good call
Surprising to pinch hit for Lee your 4 hitter and a Senior. I dont know why Norbert isnt walking to load the bases
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
If Claugherty could have clutched up and got a hit one of the three previous AB's he had earlier, this game would likely be over. My prediction..... He gets another chance and comes through this time!!!
Looks like he did just about everything but get the run in!!!
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 02:10:59 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
If Claugherty could have clutched up and got a hit one of the three previous AB's he had earlier, this game would likely be over. My prediction..... He gets another chance and comes through this time!!!
Looks like he did just about everything but get the run in!!!
The next guy did... 1 for 6 is ok when your 1 is that one.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 14, 2009, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 14, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
If Claugherty could have clutched up and got a hit one of the three previous AB's he had earlier, this game would likely be over. My prediction..... He gets another chance and comes through this time!!!
Good call
Surprising to pinch hit for Lee your 4 hitter and a Senior. I dont know why Norbert isnt walking to load the bases
Probably because Jandron had walked 35 batters in 46 innings..... (Thanks DL!!!)
this will be nice if barry can go the distance in this game and save some arms for point. Zielke will back and ready to go for tomorrow.
Quote from: Dagger on May 14, 2009, 04:58:51 PM
this will be nice if barry can go the distance in this game and save some arms for point. Zielke will back and ready to go for tomorrow.
Lorenz to pitch for Barry in the 8th. I wonder if his pitch count was high, or if they're gonna try and save Barry for relief.
Point wins 8-2...do they play tomorrow at 10am now?
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 14, 2009, 05:39:24 PM
Point wins 8-2...do they play tomorrow at 10am now?
I think it depends on the outcome of SN and USO
Quote from: biggio34 on May 14, 2009, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: Brewers20 on May 14, 2009, 05:39:24 PM
Point wins 8-2...do they play tomorrow at 10am now?
I think it depends on the outcome of SN and USO
They should be playing in Game #8 which would be at 1pm regardless the outcome. Here is the schedule the rest of the way:
If St. Olaf wins Game 5:Friday
10AM Game 7—St. Olaf vs. St. Thomas/St. Scholastica Winner
1PM Game 8—Stevens Point vs. St. Thomas/St. Scholastica Loser
4PM Game 9—Loser Game 7 vs. Winner Game 8
Saturday
11AM Game 10—Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 9
2PM Game 11—If necessary, same teams as in Game 10
If St. Norbert wins Game 5:Friday
10AM Game 7—St. Olaf vs. St. Thomas/St. Scholastica Loser
1PM Game 8—Stevens Point vs. St. Norbert
4PM Game 9—St. Thomas/St. Scholastica Winner vs. Winner Game 7
If two teams remain:Saturday
11AM Game 10—Winner Game 8 vs. Winner Game 9
2PM Game 11—If necessary, same teams as in Game 10
If three teams remain:Saturday
11AM Game 10—Winner Game 8 vs. Loser Game 9
2PM Game 11—Winner Game 9 vs. Winner Game 10
And then there were four...
Olaf uses Mathison for 2, I would expect Sommer to pitch tomorrow
Kummet vs Gapinski is my guess
I have different sources... both reliable... telling me different result from the St. Norbet/St. Olaf game. Can someone confirm a final score?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2009, 10:14:40 PM
I have different sources... both reliable... telling me different result from the St. Norbet/St. Olaf game. Can someone confirm a final score?
Olaf won 8-4
Thanks... the D3Baseball scores page has it as 8-4 SNC.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2009, 10:21:47 PM
Thanks... the D3Baseball scores page has it as 8-4 SNC.
Yea I noticed that
CSS up 2-0 over Thomas in the bottom of 1
St. Scholastica vs St. Thomas is a game I have been wanting to see. Each team has beaten the other this year already.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 14, 2009, 10:28:12 PM
St. Scholastica vs St. Thomas is a game I have been wanting to see. Each team has beaten the other this year already.
CSS up 3-0 after 6. Kummet loses no hitter on a bad bounce over first baseman's head
CSS vs. UST is always an instant classic... I'll be tuned in till the end.
Sounds like Thomas is complaining every other play, 4-1 after 7
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 14, 2009, 11:44:25 PM
Sounds like Thomas is complaining every other play, 4-1 after 7
sounds like a crazy game, wish I was there
so, to pose a question, thoughts on taking out Kummet? A little too late, or a little to early? Should you let your senior stud pitcher have the ball?
Quote from: dukes on May 15, 2009, 12:02:09 AM
so, to pose a question, thoughts on taking out Kummet? A little too late, or a little to early? Should you let your senior stud pitcher have the ball?
very tough to second guess, especially when you are not there to see whats going on.
Anyone on hand to see UST's 7 run 8th inning? Sounded like a few singles with a couple walks, pb, and wp sprinkled in.
any projections on the pitching match-ups for tomorrow's games?
I am actually interested in the people who were there, or the people who know the CSS team best. And also just posing a question to see opinion....dont mean to second guess anyone. Obviously, there is never a right/wrong answer. Just ask Terry Francona and Pedro!
My next question though: who is in best position now? Olaf with 2 wins without a ton of pitching? St. Thomas who has used a lot of pitching through 2 games but playing well? Or someone from the backside of the bracket?
You see a game like CSS and UST where UST scored 7 (now) in the bottom of the 8th to go ahead 8-4 and it reminds me of the classic movie plot where the sword fight is hard and ferocious. One guy is winning and almost has put his enemy away. Then he gets hacked in the neck and blood starts spurting. He starts flailing, and the end is bloody quick and brutal! (Please forgive the lapse into adolescence...)
Final UST 8 CSS 4
QuoteUniv. of St. Thomas 8th
Salmen struck out.
Wartman walked.
McQuillan singled to pitcher; Wartman advanced to second.
McQuillan advanced to second on a passed ball; Wartman advanced to third on a passed ball.
Leslie singled to right field, advanced to second, 2 RBI; McQuillan scored; Wartman scored.
Adams, J. to p for Kummet, A..
Schmitz singled to right field; Leslie advanced to third.
Schmitz advanced to second on a wild pitch; Leslie scored on a wild pitch.
Larson popped up to ss.
Wippler singled to right field, RBI; Schmitz scored.
Means walked; Wippler advanced to second.
Jacobson pinch ran for Means.
M. Olson singled to right field, advanced to second, RBI; Jacobson advanced to third, scored on an error by rf, unearned; Wippler scored.
Salmen singled to center field, RBI; M. Olson scored.
Wartman flied out to rf.
7 runs, 6 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB.
Quote from: dukes on May 15, 2009, 12:24:51 AM
I am actually interested in the people who were there, or the people who know the CSS team best. And also just posing a question to see opinion....dont mean to second guess anyone. Obviously, there is never a right/wrong answer. Just ask Terry Francona and Pedro!
My next question though: who is in best position now? Olaf with 2 wins without a ton of pitching? St. Thomas who has used a lot of pitching through 2 games but playing well? Or someone from the backside of the bracket?
I'm liking the chances of CSS coming through the losers bracket actually... knock off UWSP, then USO, then two from UST.
This scenario is why I originally said StO should be the favorite, they've been able to save more pitching than USt.
They could come back with either Mathison or Sommer this morning, both of whom have Ws over USt this year (albeit, an ugly win in Mathison's case), while USt will have to counter with Stone, Gibbs, or Licht, all of whom have lost to StO this year.
Then add in that the USt-CSS game ended around midnight and they have to turn around and play again at 10am...
Not saying USt can't win it, but I think StO should be the favorite.
Quote from: dukes on May 15, 2009, 12:24:51 AM
I am actually interested in the people who were there, or the people who know the CSS team best. And also just posing a question to see opinion....dont mean to second guess anyone. Obviously, there is never a right/wrong answer. Just ask Terry Francona and Pedro!
My next question though: who is in best position now? Olaf with 2 wins without a ton of pitching? St. Thomas who has used a lot of pitching through 2 games but playing well? Or someone from the backside of the bracket?
Its a tough decision on whether to keep him in or take him out. Obviously being there would of helped because you dont know if he was laboring or anything or if his pitch count is excessively high. I believe this was Kummets longest outing of the year.
Me personally would of left him in which doesnt mean it would of turned out any different. Just my personal opinion and coaching philosophy is I am either going to win or lose with my best pitcher on the mound.
Have to like Olaf over Thomas, remember Olaf still has Mathison who has only pitched 3 innings and Sommer left.
Gotta like CSS to come through the losers bracket.
Big question to me is if/when Denning tries to bring Schuld back after going 12inn on Wednesday.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 15, 2009, 10:33:15 AM
Big question to me is if/when Denning tries to bring Schuld back after going 12inn on Wednesday.
I dont think so, probably tomorrow
St. Olaf 5, St. Thomas 1 in the 7th....
Gibbs vs. Sommer
Final - StO 5, USt 2.
Wow, this could be the year St. Olaf makes it through the regional and heads to Appleton! Whoever makes it to tomorrow will definitely have a tough task beating Olaf twice especially the way they've been playing. But I've seen it happen before, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Well, it appears errors have plagued the Pointers again, two errors in a row resulting in an RBI double and an RBI groundout. Clean it up boys!
The D is not looking good for either side right now...
Looks like Point pulled the old "Double Steal"
Gotta love seeing a 5 run inning all with 2 outs for the Pointers!!
Quote from: brewcrew2008 on May 15, 2009, 03:37:03 PM
Gotta love seeing a 5 run inning all with 2 outs for the Pointers!!
Huge momentum boost for Point...Looks like JD is throwing a gem, hopefully he can go the distance!
It would be nice if Richter started hitting like he can, he's been pretty cold so far this regional (2 for 14 w/6 k's). Hopefully he starts raking in the next few games, they will probably need all the runs they can get with the limited pitching they have left.
Hope Point makes it to Appleton so we can see all the Point hotties ::) ;)
Quote from: titan2000 on May 15, 2009, 05:36:56 PM
Hope Point makes it to Appleton so we can see all the Point hotties ::) ;)
It's not looking good...5-0 St Thomas in the bottom of the 8th. Looks like the MIAC will send a team to the Series this year, it's been awhile, I guess they were due.
Tis a longer post than I expected. Feel free to skip this.
Random notes from yesterday and today. Too tired last night. I gotta get in better baseball watching shape before the WS.
CSS vs. SNC
• Wind blowing toward LF corner again. Marshik eked out his leadoff oppo HR. If you didn't know it's only 318 down the LF line.
• Pitchers were ahead all day but struggled to put hitters away.
• The Yost HR in the 9th is due for reentry next Tuesday. Jeez, was that first-pitch FB crushed. If you know the park surroundings, it flushed the condo in LF about 2/3 of the way up. Probably 410-425 feet.
• Bot 11 Peterson's scorcher went in and out of 3B glove for a single. Then Claugherty drove him in when the LF had one go in and out on a diving attempt. Ballgame. Fraction of an inch on either or both and it's likely headed to the 12th.
• Yost was the best hitter at the regional, IMO. Dude can rake.
UWSP vs. BC
• Brisk wind toward LC all game.
• Top 2 Spurney hit one 400 feet foul. Only hit the next pitch 375-ish to LC, but it was fair.
• I think Surman's bomb to LC came down with some cloud on it.
• UWSP should just cede two outs every inning and start from there. All 8 UWSP runs were after 2 outs (I think ... that's what I wrote anyway). I didn't keep track of all, but I know the first 4 were after 2 outs and bases empty. It was obviously a case of BC not being able to get off the field.
• Barry was on cruise until the 7th. He was very sharp until a roped 1B and a destroyed oppo HR to LF.
• Koback's jack was a one-back lazer, almost Dante Bichette-like in quality.
SOC vs. SNC
• Hillesheim was nails early. Pretty deuce was working.
• Ever play anywhere on the left side at EJ during twilight hours? Fuerst got a nice introduction to it. Hughes had Yost looking at strike 3 with 2 outs and a runner on 2B. Called a ball. Two pitches later Fuerst lost a chopper in the sun. A while later Fuerst looked like he had more sun trouble on a smashed liner. The result was a hit and a dinged up throwing hand. It's scary at 3B when the sun is behind the stands for that 90 mins or so. Anyway, the pitch after trainers counted all five fingers on Fuerst's hand was a Gusick 3-run shot that barely cleared the LF wall.
• Top 5 Johnson got momentum back for SOC with his no-doubter to LF on a belt-high hanger.
• Bot 5 the mo really swung toward SOC. SNC had 1st/3rd with 2 outs. Gusick ripped one to the right side. Woulda been huge for SNC if it didn't hit the runner on his way to 2B. Inning over. SNC coach out of the dugout. SOC back in the dugout to eventually tie the game and score in every subsequent inning.
• SOC really got to Hillesheim the third time through. Many ropes thereafter.
UST vs. CSS
• Wish I would have made a post regarding the bleachers and bolded it in 25 point type. Last year a retaining board cracked on the top of the bleachers on the 3rd base side. Luckily the man saved himself from falling. Two years ago a seat board snapped on the 3rd base side, and after a few nervous moments all we had was a head-shaking moment. This year a UST father was leaning against the back railing and the board snapped, sending him about 18 feet to the ground on his back. I heard today that he somehow didn't break any bones or suffer a severe injury. Well, he was concussed. But man, that was scary and tense.
• As for the game, I'm assuming everyone tuned into Joe and Kenny for the detes. If you didn't, c'mon, what were you thinking?
• But I saw a Q, and my A is, IMO, Kummet had plenty left. Then again my opinions at regional games have never mattered.
• Murphy's Law in the 8th. Dunkers, flares, not catching the ball, not throwing the ball, a solid hit or two ... all that stuff.
SOC vs. UST
• Wind blowing in from CF again.
• Textbook baseball for the most part. The errors didn't much matter in the grand scheme. Great situational hitting and the coaches were pushing buttons. You could tell it was a game between conference rivals in that way. Seemed like runners were in motion most often in this game, and I'm guessing it was because of the familiarity.
• Bot 3 second batter after the pitching change and Nelson Sommer some room with a 360-foot 2-run shot to LF. The two-out magic – like Nelson's dinger – has decided most of these games.
• SOC squared up on a lot of balls against Gibbs.
• Top 5 the carpenters are in the house, placing new boards on the bleachers where the fan fell. A nice extra touch (as if the intermitent sounds of a cordless circular saw wasn't enough of a reminder of when our hearts were in our throats) was that nobody bothered to clean up the debris from last night. Granted, there was caution tape around the section of bleachers without backing, but there were hillbilly-toothpick sized pieces of wood on the ground where the accident took place.
• Sommer was in charge with his curveball.
• A few moments there when the game coulda swung to UST ... top 8, 1st/3rd no outs. Mathison got out of his/Sommer's mess with just one run.
UWSP vs. CSS
• Wind blowing hard from CF.
• Did you listen to Joe and Kenny?
• Once again CSS gives up a big inning. Bot 4 Arch flipped a one-handed dumper over SS on a 3-2 pitch to plate 2. Then it's 1st/3rd and Arch got picked, but he got in a rundown and Claugherty was late throwing home. Then CSS had a PB on a strike, etc. In all, I counted UWSP with six outs to work with that inning. It actually took a bailout call for CSS to get out of that one. Surman was "thrown out" at home after a WP went to the backstop. So safe ...
• I don't know the preferred diet of pointers, but I know Pointers like fastballs. They featsed on those today.
• Just a general observation from the three days: the faux hawk appears to be the bastard child of the playoff hockey beard, although there were some sweet beards on the field in Oshkosh this year. On the latter, SNC's Vater definitely won the "Most lLike Peter Griffin's Chin Full of Birds" award for his mass of manliness.
UWSP vs. UST
• UST shook up its lineup. It needed to be, and it worked.
• Rahm continued his lazer show. Dude gets the barrel on it more often than anyone at the regional not named Yost.
• Licht was the man. Knowing how UWSP appreciates fastball pitchers, Licht's consistent outside-FB performance was all the more impressive.
• I bet the UST 3B coach can do the best Willie McGee impersonation. I know it's a bizarre reference, but if you remember McGee, you know what I mean. It was uncanny.
• Bloom was a walking bobblehead in the Pointer coach's box. Whether it was toward the umps for blowing pitches/calls or toward his hitters for dumping ABs, his head was shaking all day.
• I don't claim to know what Tommies are, but I know they like to eat the same thing as Pointers: fastballs. Nix wasn't allowed to make a mistake with #1.
• Licht (and it must be stated, many of the Pointer bats) made sure that only one timely Nix mistake was needed.
Quote from: szlongball on May 14, 2009, 12:00:35 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2009, 09:17:07 PM
Some random notes from today
• Was sitting near a guy doing book. He had Schuld at 185 pitches. For comparison's sake the Beloit SP Rick Krajewski threw well under 100 in game 1.
• Word is UST SP Brandon Stone is injured and is expected to miss the regional. There's supposedly another UST P who's iffy.
• Crazy bad at-bats all day. UST/UWSP was like an extra-inning Olympic softball game. Seemed like there was a runner on 2B with no out quite often. Of course it took a dong to get the mother over.
• Wind was blowing in hard from CF during the first game. Anything in the air was an out.
• Koback and Arch made some spectacular diving catches in the OF.
• Agneberg and Krajewski had awesome mixes. Neither light up guns, but Krajewski's fastball even look like it broke and Agneberg's curve tilt was nasty.
• Very little wind in game 2. The little wind that blew was toward the LF corner. Guess what? There were two oppo wall scrapers to LF (Arch's and Schmitz's HRs went about 325 apiece). Rahm's walkoff was a bomb – 380-ish to LF.
• UST turned some gutsy DPs, the most impressive of which was 1 out with runners on 1st and 3rd in the 8th. Thomas hit a semihard one-hopper to Schuld 5 feet in front of the mound. The runner broke from 3rd and was meat, but Schuld wheeled and got a bang-banger at 2nd and then another at 1st. Another was after Koback was on 2B with 0 outs in the 10th. And that was one after UWSP had a leadoff 2B in the 9th and failed to score (Spurney 5-3 ... not a bunt, Surman F9, Rennicke F9). UWSP had soooo many opportunities.
• To say UST had problems with the bats is understating it. Williams was just blowing batters away. Some guys, even in the middle of the UST order, were not even close to touching him, except when Schmitz dropped the barrel on one pitch of course. Was fairly certain the game would end whenever Point decided to clutch up and/or play situational ball. I'll be wrong again sometime soon.
• The matchup in game 3 was going to be Burg vs. Hillesheim. Pretty sure it was Hillesheim, anyway. Water in my face doesn't help my vision. Burg for sure, though.
Oshdude have you EVER seen the type of pitching performances as yesterdays Point/Tommies game? Given the turnover on the Pointer team from last year, very proud of what they have accomplished this year. Hate to see it come to an end, but the offense has got to show up or they are done. Error free baseball wouldn't hurt either. Pitchers can only do so much, and I think Williams and Zielke went above and beyond what should be expected. Here's hoping the bats show up today.
Prophetic. Bats were MIA against UST.
As the marathon kept going I thought "Here is everyone's chance to see what Zielke would be like as a SP."
Heading to the park now, but if my internal compass is correct, the wind should be blowing out today. And it's blowing pretty hard. After days of hitting into head winds, today could finally be the hitters' day.
Interesting that St. Thomas bounced back Schuld...bold move. Anyones thoughts?
My opinion is he is your best pitcher (by far) and he wants the ball. If he feels able, let him go. For those of you that will jump on the fact of pitch counts and ruining his future, remember that no one is forcing the kid out there. I am sure it is his choice. And there is a certain psych boost for a team when you know you have your number one on the mound. Granted, I believe it is a coaches job to judge whether it is best for the team and the player, as I am sure everyone would agree no number one pitcher should want to give up the ball in the big game.
Not surprising at all considering Stone and Olson are out for the year. Pretty impressive pitching 19 innings in 3 days and contributing to 2 big wins though. I'm really interested in seeing how this second game goes. Leslie pitching?! geez, there's a pitching name from the past.. it's obvious the Tommie staff is running thin now considering he hasn't really pitched in 2 years.
I agree, it was interesting to see. But, with the momentum obviously on their side, put the ball in a seniors hand and say get after it. Comfortable 5-0 after 2nd for St. Thomas.
Random notes from today:
• Schuld threw 120 pitches today after 185 in the opener.
• SOC was unlucky all day. Fuerst hit a ground rule double in game 1 that kept a runner at 3B. Didn't score. Leadoff doubles were robbed by outstanding catches in the UST OF. The biggest one, though, was top 2, runner on 1st with two outs. Score was 2-0. Liner to Fuerst. Everyone but the ump saw it as a catch. Fuerst didn't throw to first because it was too late. Next batter hit a no-doubter 3-run bomb. 5-0. There were six umps in the championship. Third base ump blew the initial call. He talked to the second base ump who wrongly concurred with the original sin. Home plate ump didn't see it. Turning point to say the least. You can say if Mathison doesn't groove one there's no harm done, and I'd agree with that. But man, was that huge.
• Two-out magic won two games again today. Unreal how many runs were scored after two this whole regional.
• Some other questionable calls throughout the day. I think the umps got many of them right, but the biggest ones (the one mentioned above and in game 1 on a play at the plate in which the throw beat the UST runner by 5 feet yet called safe) went against SOC.
• Wind was howling out to CF all day.
• Last time Leslie pitched was at the '08 '07 (got a kind reminder that it was '07 and Leslie pitched a handful of innings in '08. Didn't take long for me to be wrong again) regionals. He was better this time.
• Scary moment top 9 of game 1. 3B Fuerst and 1B Nelson slammed into each other on a towering pop up. Huge thud. Nelson left the game. After the game medics were called. Nelson DNP game 2.
• I'm aware everyone knows how good UST plays D, but nearly every team played amazing D during the regionals. There were a few horrible errors, but most of them, including today, were on tough plays like backhanded one-timers that hit a heel or something.
• Rahm beat out Schuld for regional MVP? Interesting ... although as I posted yesterday, Rahm was stroking it.
• I'd really, really like UST's chances if the two injured pitchers were available. Now I merely like them. Just solid baseball.
Quote from: supermiac on May 16, 2009, 03:51:39 PM
Pretty impressive pitching 19 innings in 3 days and contributing to 2 big wins though.
Have you read about
this guy (http://www.campbellsvilletigers.com/article/513.php)? His feat is probably more impressive than the impressive performance you described. I read on ESPN or CNNSI that the guy "sacrificed his arm" for the team since it would be the last games he ever pitched!!
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this little bit of trivia...
The last time St. Thomas won the national title (2001), they won their first game of the Regionals with an extra-inning, walk-off home run at E.J. Schneider Field. That year Edgewood was the victim in the 11th inning.
An omen, perhaps.
Midwest Regional - Hosted by Wisconsin-Whitewater at Prucha Field
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2009/8/18/bball_081809_Prucha_Renovation.aspx
That page is just the facility page. Here's the link to the actual Regional Website:
http://www.uwwsports.com/custompages/baseball/2010/2010%20NCAA%20Baseball%20Regional%20Website/index.htm
Wow... that place is legit! Should be a great event!
We're really happy with the renovations. It's a fantastic facility. I think the teams are really going to like playing on the turf surface. You never get a bad bounce. Spectators will like it too because the view is completely unobstructed.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 23, 2010, 12:15:47 PM
We're really happy with the renovations. It's a fantastic facility. I think the teams are really going to like playing on the turf surface. You never get a bad bounce. Spectators will like it too because the view is completely unobstructed.
Conversely, if it rains they are completely unprotected. ;)
Quote from: Just Bill on April 23, 2010, 05:42:19 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 23, 2010, 12:15:47 PM
We're really happy with the renovations. It's a fantastic facility. I think the teams are really going to like playing on the turf surface. You never get a bad bounce. Spectators will like it too because the view is completely unobstructed.
Conversely, if it rains they are completely unprotected. ;)
...that's one of the reasons why the Chinese invented the umbrella...to protect us from the rain...!! ::)
I'm happy to report that the fiber optic upgrade to Miller Stadium has been completed and SIDs will have the ability to offer live stats during the regional tournament. Everything is up to date in Kansas City. ;)
Does Point need to win it again or will they get an at large with their recent slump?
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 09, 2010, 09:23:30 PM
Does Point need to win it again or will they get an at large with their recent slump?
I think they need to win the WIAC Tournament to get a Pool C bid. The losses to Lawrence and Stout over the past week, COULD knock them out of the Regional Rankings altogether this week.
Quote from: cubs on May 09, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 09, 2010, 09:23:30 PM
Does Point need to win it again or will they get an at large with their recent slump?
I think they need to win the WIAC Tournament to get a Pool C bid. The losses to Lawrence and Stout over the past week, COULD knock them out of the Regional Rankings altogether this week.
Thanks. ( I believe that you mean Pool A bid for the WIAC.)
Quote from: cubs on May 09, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 09, 2010, 09:23:30 PM
Does Point need to win it again or will they get an at large with their recent slump?
I think they need to win the WIAC Tournament to get a Pool C bid. The losses to Lawrence and Stout over the past week, COULD knock them out of the Regional Rankings altogether this week.
I have a hard time believing they will be out of the regional rankings. I'm not sure they should be ranked, but I'd be willing to bet they are.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2010, 09:47:26 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 09, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 09, 2010, 09:23:30 PM
Does Point need to win it again or will they get an at large with their recent slump?
I think they need to win the WIAC Tournament to get a Pool C bid. The losses to Lawrence and Stout over the past week, COULD knock them out of the Regional Rankings altogether this week.
Thanks. ( I believe that you mean Pool A bid for the WIAC.)
Ooops!!! I meant Pool A, as to be in the Pool C conversation would mean they would be picking up two more losses on their Regional record at the WIAC Tournament next weekend. Thanks for the correction!!!
Quote from: biggio34 on May 09, 2010, 09:52:24 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 09, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 09, 2010, 09:23:30 PM
Does Point need to win it again or will they get an at large with their recent slump?
I think they need to win the WIAC Tournament to get a Pool C bid. The losses to Lawrence and Stout over the past week, COULD knock them out of the Regional Rankings altogether this week.
I have a hard time believing they will be out of the regional rankings. I'm not sure they should be ranked, but I'd be willing to bet they are.
You are probably right now that I think about it...... Guess that says a bit about the strength of the Midwest Region this year after Whitewater, St. Thomas, and CSS.
Any projections on whose going to be in the Whitewater regional? I think it's a no brainer that St. Scholastica and St. Thomas will join Whitewater but will this be a 6 or 7 team regional? Ripon would make sense but I could see them going to Moline. St. Norbert and Point both have to be on the bubble and both could end up at Whitewater.
Aurora?
Bethany Lutheran?
I have to admit I absolutely love the projected midwest bracket. No St. Thomas would be great and make the odds of a WIAC team going to Appleton that much better. I was a little shocked that they had Point as the 2nd out of 15 pool c teams. I was guessing they would be in the 10-15 range and maybe not get in. I would have to assume their in for sure now.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 16, 2010, 10:36:42 PM
I have to admit I absolutely love the projected midwest bracket. No St. Thomas would be great and make the odds of a WIAC team going to Appleton that much better. I was a little shocked that they had Point as the 2nd out of 15 pool c teams. I was guessing they would be in the 10-15 range and maybe not get in. I would have to assume their in for sure now.
It certainly is a very interesting projection. I can't see it happening though. I think its more likely that Point will be the team that is shipped out of the Midwest. How could there be a midwest regional without a MIAC school? That doesn't seem right.
I would be more than happy to see Point go to Moline and have St. Thomas and Whitewater battle it out for Appleton. That would make Point's path a lot easier. Doesn't Carthage have a stud pitcher this year? I'm too lazy to look it up but I think his name is Mario Perez. Even though they've been down a little this year they still scare me because their Carthage.
What I do not understand is why, when UWW had about the same year last year as UWSP had, this year that UWSP would get to stay in the Midwest. Is there something about the length of travel with UWSP being a little further north? Or is it some more diabolical (political) that keeps them from sending UWSP out of the Midwest?
Quote from: formman on May 16, 2010, 11:33:26 PM
What I do not understand is why, when UWW had about the same year last year as UWSP had, this year that UWSP would get to stay in the Midwest. Is there something about the length of travel with UWSP being a little further north? Or is it some more diabolical (political) that keeps them from sending UWSP out of the Midwest?
Comparing two seasons - comparing what happened then to what happened now is a little like comparing apples and oranges. You have to compare everyone else, too, not just UWW and UWSP. The main difference in the WIAC from last year is that Oshkosh, Stevens Point and Whitewater shared the WIAC season crown in '09 and UWSP won the tournament to take the Pool A slot. UWW got sent to Moline, Point was at Oshkosh, and Oshkosh didn't make it. This year UWW won the season championship and the conference tournament - it's a little different. In '08, UWW won the WIAC season championship, lost the pool A at the conference tournament, but stayed in the midwest regional and UWSP traveled to Moline - again, a little different. IMO, there are too many variables involved to say it's something diabolical. Considering their less-than-steller performance the last time playing in Moline, Point probably would prefer to play at Whitewater (where they
usually play pretty well) - Whitewater probably would like them to play in Moline - for much the same reason(s). Just my opinion... ;)
Midwest Regional
Hosted by UW-Whitewater, Whitewater, Wis.
1. UW-Whitewater (38-5)
2. St. Thomas (33-7)
3. St. Scholastica (38-6)
4. UW-Stevens Point (29-15)
5. Carthage (28-16)
6. Aurora (27-14)
Here's a link to the schedule of games: http://www.uwwsports.com/custompages/baseball/2010/2010%20NCAA%20Baseball%20Regional%20Website/index.htm
It would probably be more practical to continue the conversation regarding this year's Midwest regional in only one of the two topics devoted to it.
Should be a great pitching match-up in Game #1 today with Salazar and Tincher getting the starting nods.....
Whitewater gets on the board early scoring an unearned run to take a 1-0 lead heading into the Top of the 2nd.
UWW/AU video is available free of charge from UWW TV and Penn Atlantic at the link HERE (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/2007/9/20/followthewarhawks_09202007.aspx).
1-1 after 1 1/2.
It appears they will only by doing video on the UWW games, and not all the games. Bummer.
Very nice production quality though.
Since giving up an RBI single in the 2nd inning, Tincher has gone on to retire 11 straight.
Whitewater leads 3-1 heading to the bottom of the 5th.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 19, 2010, 11:30:30 AM
It appears they will only by doing video on the UWW games, and not all the games. Bummer.
Yeah, that's pretty self-serving. Guess we were spoiled by basketball -- there was only one school that chose to do only its own game and not the others in a pod.
Whitewater 6
Aurora 1
FINAL
Rechlitz, Stine and Putnam combine to go 8x13 with 3 runs scored, 3 stolen bases and an RBI out of the 9, 1, and 2 spots to lead the way.
Quote from: cubs on May 19, 2010, 01:19:56 PM
Whitewater 6
Aurora 1
FINAL
Rechlitz, Stine and Putnam combine to go 8x13 with 3 runs scored, 3 stolen bases and an RBI out of the 9, 1, and 2 spots to lead the way.
Anytime you get production at the bottom of the order you have a great chance to win.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 19, 2010, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 19, 2010, 01:19:56 PM
Whitewater 6
Aurora 1
FINAL
Rechlitz, Stine and Putnam combine to go 8x13 with 3 runs scored, 3 stolen bases and an RBI out of the 9, 1, and 2 spots to lead the way.
Anytime you get production at the bottom of the order you have a great chance to win.
Also helps when your opponent can't catch routine fly balls, tag guys at the plate and 3B or keep from getting picked off. Aurora didn't play well at all. The Warhawks won, no doubt. And I take nothing away from a solid win. But the Spartans didn't give themselves much of a chance despite Salazar pitching OK.
Poppa, is Dahm starting Game 1 against UST a surprise to you or any other Carthage insider?
Quote from: OshDude on May 19, 2010, 01:49:39 PM
Poppa, is Dahm starting Game 1 against UST a surprise to you or any other Carthage insider?
I am as shocked as anyone. Perez lost 2-1 in ten to St. Thomas and really sut them down early in the season. I thought he'd go today. Maybe his arm troubles are worse than we heard. Happened to Ruffie lats year... hurt it in the post-season and Carthage's all-american never threw a pitch in the World Series.
BigPoppa's Redmen jumping on All American Matt Schuld early, putting up three runs in the Top of the 1st inning to take an early 3-0 lead over St. Thomas.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 19, 2010, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 19, 2010, 01:49:39 PM
Poppa, is Dahm starting Game 1 against UST a surprise to you or any other Carthage insider?
I am as shocked as anyone. Perez lost 2-1 in ten to St. Thomas and really sut them down early in the season. I thought he'd go today. Maybe his arm troubles are worse than we heard. Happened to Ruffie lats year... hurt it in the post-season and Carthage's all-american never threw a pitch in the World Series.
Agree 100% with BP here. I don't think Augie is the kind of manager that says "They've already seen him once, let's give them a different look this time."
Maybe Carthage hitters have a slight advantage having seen Schuld once already this season, but it's all about the performance the Red Men get out of Dahm.
You don't see many inning ending 5-3-6 double plays... ??? ??? ???
St. Thomas gets a 3-run HR from their #8 hitter to make things close again....
Carthage 4
St. Thomas 3
Top 3rd Inning
Good ol' Augie ... according to the UST blog, the error charged to Bauer was due to Augie arguing himself into a safe call. First base ump says out, Augie says safe, home plate ump agrees, thanks to Augie's persuasion.
Even more reason why we need video for these games. C'mon, Augie is bound to make a webcast worthwhile. The UWW students did a good job in the first game. Why not do more?
Is anyone watching USt-Carthage? Is it as ugly as it sounds? 4 errors, 4 walks, 10 runs, and not even out of the 3rd yet??
Pretty high scoring game for an opening round Regional game.... These scores are usually saved for Day #2 or #3 when teams have to go deeper into their pitching. I suppose in all fairness, Carthage is a little deeper though with Perez not on the mound.
7-4 through 3? Give me a break... Winner of this game wins the region; I'm going golfing.
Quote from: OshDude on May 19, 2010, 03:03:10 PM
Good ol' Augie ... according to the UST blog, the error charged to Bauer was due to Augie arguing himself into a safe call. First base ump says out, Augie says safe, home plate ump agrees, thanks to Augie's persuasion.
Even more reason why we need video for these games. C'mon, Augie is bound to make a webcast worthwhile. The UWW students did a good job in the first game. Why not do more?
He would be fun to watch on the screen. but nothing is better than watching/listening to him from the dugout. If you have never seen or heard it, you are missing out on a legend in college baseball.
Quote from: mwunder on May 19, 2010, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 19, 2010, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 19, 2010, 01:49:39 PM
Poppa, is Dahm starting Game 1 against UST a surprise to you or any other Carthage insider?
I am as shocked as anyone. Perez lost 2-1 in ten to St. Thomas and really sut them down early in the season. I thought he'd go today. Maybe his arm troubles are worse than we heard. Happened to Ruffie lats year... hurt it in the post-season and Carthage's all-american never threw a pitch in the World Series.
Agree 100% with BP here. I don't think Augie is the kind of manager that says "They've already seen him once, let's give them a different look this time."
Maybe Carthage hitters have a slight advantage having seen Schuld once already this season, but it's all about the performance the Red Men get out of Dahm.
MWUNDER??? Where have you been all season? Great to see you on here today!
Quote from: OshDude on May 19, 2010, 01:49:39 PM
Poppa, is Dahm starting Game 1 against UST a surprise to you or any other Carthage insider?
From the Carthage website:
Quoting Coach Augie Schmidt IV on the First-Round NCAA Loss to St. Thomas (Minn.): "We knew we were going to have to score some runs against St. Thomas," said Carthage coach Augie Schmidt IV. "We expended all of our top pitching in last weekend's CCIW Baseball Tournament, so we had to start Danny Dahm, one of our down-the-line guys, in this game. "Even though we jumped out 4-0, I knew we were going to have to score some runs. You just hope you can stay ahead of them long enough to put some pressure on. Matt Schuld is an All-American and a horse. He beat us in 10-inning game in the Metrodome in March, but we hit him a little bit today and made him work. Unfortunately, they got the three-run homer, and things sort slipped away after that. Danny Dahm pitched well, especially for a kid who's never even started a conference game. We got beat, and we didn't kick the ball all over the field. We were hoping to use Mario Perez in this game, but he just wasn't ready after pitching on Friday, and the other guys had even less rest. So, we went with the guy with most rest, and that decision looked good for awhile. Playing Aurora tomorrow will sort of like old times, since we've played them so many times in NCAA games."[/i]
Schuld will pitch again in regionals on Saturday mark my words. I know guys get tired but sometimes you have to suck it up especially when your playing to go to the world series. Whose better Mario Perez on 4-5 days rest or your #4 starter? Perez should've been pitching today no doubt and I'm guessing it would've mattered as St. Thomas generally has a difficult time putting up more than 2-3 runs against top notch pitchers.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 19, 2010, 11:24:07 PM
Schuld will pitch again in regionals on Saturday mark my words. I know guys get tired but sometimes you have to suck it up especially when your playing to go to the world series. Whose better Mario Perez on 4-5 days rest or your #4 starter? Perez should've been pitching today no doubt and I'm guessing it would've mattered as St. Thomas generally has a difficult time putting up more than 2-3 runs against top notch pitchers.
I looked at it differently. In my eyes, I thought Carthage was playing to win (the entire regional)by rolling the dice and hoping to steal a win from UST and having their #1-3 arms ready to go for the run from Thursday-Sunday. The Redmen are not very deep with arms and I think they know their best chance to win it was to get a win early and hope their arms hold out until Sunday.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 19, 2010, 11:24:07 PM
Schuld will pitch again in regionals on Saturday mark my words. I know guys get tired but sometimes you have to suck it up especially when your playing to go to the world series. Whose better Mario Perez on 4-5 days rest or your #4 starter? Perez should've been pitching today no doubt and I'm guessing it would've mattered as St. Thomas generally has a difficult time putting up more than 2-3 runs against top notch pitchers.
Schuld will probably only pitch if UST loses a game, if then. Edwards, Nelson and Gapinski should get the next three starts. If there are three more starts, that is.
Is Jack Licht in the rotation for St. Thomas? Point faced him last year in regionals when he was a freshman and he shut them out. I was thinking he may get the nod today. Either way Point will have to play flawless ball today to win.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 20, 2010, 09:24:35 AM
Is Jack Licht in the rotation for St. Thomas? Point faced him last year in regionals when he was a freshman and he shut them out. I was thinking he may get the nod today. Either way Point will have to play flawless ball today to win.
His friends may call him Jack, but John Licht hasn't started since early April. Former Warhawk Kris Edwards or Matt Nelson should start today. Depends whether Olean wants to go with a lefty or a righty.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 20, 2010, 08:17:23 AM
I looked at it differently. In my eyes, I thought Carthage was playing to win (the entire regional)by rolling the dice and hoping to steal a win from UST and having their #1-3 arms ready to go for the run from Thursday-Sunday. The Redmen are not very deep with arms and I think they know their best chance to win it was to get a win early and hope their arms hold out until Sunday.
I understand but entirely disagree with this logic. If you don't win the first game of the regionals you will not win the thing. You have to get through the first game and the best way to do that is throw your ace and hope that the other teams run out of arms, too.
Quote from: tommiegun on May 20, 2010, 10:00:38 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 20, 2010, 08:17:23 AM
I looked at it differently. In my eyes, I thought Carthage was playing to win (the entire regional)by rolling the dice and hoping to steal a win from UST and having their #1-3 arms ready to go for the run from Thursday-Sunday. The Redmen are not very deep with arms and I think they know their best chance to win it was to get a win early and hope their arms hold out until Sunday.
I understand but entirely disagree with this logic. If you don't win the first game of the regionals you will not win the thing. You have to get through the first game and the best way to do that is throw your ace and hope that the other teams run out of arms, too.
Agreed, but I am not sure that throwing Perez would have made much difference. He has struggled lately. Hopefully, he comes out firing today.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 19, 2010, 03:32:28 PM
MWUNDER??? Where have you been all season? Great to see you on here today!
Lurking baby...lurking.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 19, 2010, 11:24:07 PM
Perez should've been pitching today no doubt
What are your credentials to make this statement? You're more informed than a coach who has 700+ wins in his career?
I'm not sure if you're questioning the coaching move or Mario's toughness here. Either way, you're out of line.
Quote from: mwunder on May 20, 2010, 10:29:35 AM
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 19, 2010, 11:24:07 PM
Perez should've been pitching today no doubt
What are your credentials to make this statement? You're more informed than a coach who has 700+ wins in his career?
I'm not sure if you're questioning the coaching move or Mario's toughness here. Either way, you're out of line.
"Out of Line" will likely by his next username.
Just disappointing that's all. Here Carthage did what few teams do jump on 1 of the best pitchers in the history of D3 and they don't have their ace out their to take advantage. Carthage was very fortunate to get an at large as was Point and yet Point takes advantage of their 2nd life and throws their ace in Delorit. Of course they have a great coach and it's certainly not his fault that guys arms are tired. 1 things for sure Lechnir would've put his top pitcher out there even if he had thrown 9 the day before and that's why I still have respect for him. He'll do whatever it takes to win.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 20, 2010, 10:52:31 AM
Just disappointing that's all. Here Carthage did what few teams do jump on 1 of the best pitchers in the history of D3 and they don't have their ace out their to take advantage. Carthage was very fortunate to get an at large as was Point and yet Point takes advantage of their 2nd life and throws their ace in Delorit. Of course they have a great coach and it's certainly not his fault that guys arms are tired. 1 things for sure Lechnir would've put his top pitcher out there even if he had thrown 9 the day before and that's why I still have respect for him. He'll do whatever it takes to win.
Didn't Oshkosh get knocked out a regional a few years back and Lechnir never threw his ace?
You may be right about it because I was never able to verify what happened. I'm pretty sure your talking about Reubens and I was told he had an arm injury and could not go. I read your post about Perez and that he's been struggling lately and may have a tired arm so I'm fine with it that he didn't go yesterday. All I said was it was disappointing because if he were healthy I really believe Carthage would've won that game and made the regional very interesting.
Nice to see live stats are working well...... ::)
...remember, Sidearm is state of the art...!! ;)
...8 innings in 30 minutes has to be a new record...
Is Super Mario pitching for Carthage? Does Aurora have any other quality pitching besides Salazar?
Can anybody find a live stats or audio feed of Carthage/Aurora?
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 20, 2010, 10:52:31 AM
Just disappointing that's all. Here Carthage did what few teams do jump on 1 of the best pitchers in the history of D3 and they don't have their ace out their to take advantage. Carthage was very fortunate to get an at large as was Point and yet Point takes advantage of their 2nd life and throws their ace in Delorit. Of course they have a great coach and it's certainly not his fault that guys arms are tired. 1 things for sure Lechnir would've put his top pitcher out there even if he had thrown 9 the day before and that's why I still have respect for him. He'll do whatever it takes to win.
This is nothing like the disappointment of last year for Carthage when they went to the series with Ruffie getting hurt or in the off-season when they lost a player at the age of 19, or when Llanas and Ferro decided not to return to school for this season...
As for Point and their ace...obviously he wasn't hurt...easy decision.
As for Lechnir...I have heard nothing good about the man from people he has recruited and people who played for him. Total azzhat was one quote. Anyone who's willing to place winning above the health of a pitcher (as in your example) doesn't deserve respect...
stats just came up...Carthage up 4-1 in the top of the 4th.
Carthage up 7-2 on a Mike Petti 3 run HR in the 7th.
Carthage pulls Perez after 6 with a 7-2 lead and Rohe promptly loads the bases... now 7-3 with bases loaded and still only one out. Carthage is in trouble here.
Carthage hangs on to win 9-5.
Carthage plays at 1pm tomorrow vs. the loser of St. Thomas and Stevens Point. How odd is it that Carthage could face the Tommies again?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 20, 2010, 02:36:23 PM
Carthage plays at 1pm tomorrow vs. the loser of St. Thomas and Stevens Point. How odd is it that Carthage could face the Tommies again?
Depends who wins Game 5 first. If UWW wins, then Carthage will play the UST-UWSP loser as you said. If CSS wins, then Carthage will play CSS.
I just saw that on the Carthage website. Odd that the NCAA's bracket on its own page says nothing of a possible shift.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 20, 2010, 03:32:34 PM
I just saw that on the Carthage website. Odd that the NCAA's bracket on its own page says nothing of a possible shift.
Read the fine print on the bottom regarding "additional scenarios". The bracket only shows the way it would work if the tournament went "chalk". But you've been around long enough. You know that these six-team regional always have multiple scenarios depending on who wins certain games.
That's why drawing a bracket for this type of six-team tournament isn't very useful. Too many alternate possibilities.
This is sample (from 2009) of what the full bracket would look like: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/baseball/09bracket.pdf
Well, now it doesn't matter since CSS has been eliminated.
Further evidence that Augie deserves respect where a previously mentioned coach does not.
"We were hoping Mario (Perez) could throw (Wednesday), but he just couldn't," Schmidt said. "The other guys (senior right-handers Scott Danly and Chris Krepline), it would have been on two days rest. They wanted to do it. I wouldn't do it. I'm not putting any kid at risk for this. We went with the guy who had the most rest."
Is that the same Kris Edwards pitching for St. Thomas against Point that used to pitch for Whitewater? If so, I was impressed with his freshman year with the Hawks. I think he injured his arm going into his sophomore year. He's got a 1.83 ERA.
Quote from: Barber Greene on May 20, 2010, 05:28:51 PM
Is that the same Kris Edwards pitching for St. Thomas against Point that used to pitch for Whitewater? If so, I was impressed with his freshman year with the Hawks. I think he injured his arm going into his sophomore year. He's got a 1.83 ERA.
See post by OshDude on page 4....same kid.
Come on Point hold on for the W.
Isn't it funny that Whitewater, with it's lights, is the ONLY Regional that doesn't have games scheduled after 4 PM?
And that the WIAC wants their tournament played on campus and went to a 3 team tournament to be finished in 2 days, oh and nobody gets to play at night. What's the point of having lights and getting these tournaments, and
let's not use our lights. Is it just for show?
By the way Congrats Point on the great win. A little payback for last year. Get ready for the next round of Point vs Whitewater tomorrow at 10:00 am.
I agree with you but in this case we want the tourney stretched out so that Point can possibly throw Delorit again. I think Lorenz will get it done tomorrow he's pitched pretty well against Whitewater this year but a few passed balls the first time he faced them and the throw into right hurt him the 2nd game. Hopefully Point will face Leitner I think they will hit him this time around. What I'm really hoping for is for Point to silence the Warhawk dugout. I like that their dugout gets into the game but most of it is trash talking. I would like nothing more than to see Richter have a multi homer game with about 6 RBI'S.
ROTFLMAO
Talk to the NCAA. They selected the teams.
So Point and Whitewater are playing their eighth game of the season tomorrow and have a chance to meet for a ninth and tenth game, all of which have been/will be in Whitewater. Anyone ever remember a team playing 10 road games against the same team in the same season?
Funny how it's worked out. By now Point should feel almost as comfortable there as Whitewater.
EDIT: Just counted it up. If UWSP plays the maximum number of games possible from this point of the tournament, they would end up playing a total of 14 games at Whitewater, the same number of games they played at Stevens Point this year!
UW-Whitewater 6 V CSS 2
UW-SP 2 V Saint Thomas 1
(both are finals)
Was that Scott Williams or Jordan Zimmerman on the hill for the Pointers? What a clutch performance. If Point wins tomorrow morning with Lorenz will they go with Van Beck the first title game? I'm guessing so and they would split Delorit and Williams if need be.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 20, 2010, 09:20:06 PM
Was that Scott Williams or Jordan Zimmerman on the hill for the Pointers?
Scott Williams
Quote from: szlongball on May 20, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
Isn't it funny that Whitewater, with it's lights, is the ONLY Regional that doesn't have games scheduled after 4 PM?
And that the WIAC wants their tournament played on campus and went to a 3 team tournament to be finished in 2 days, oh and nobody gets to play at night. What's the point of having lights and getting these tournaments, and
let's not use our lights. Is it just for show?
By the way Congrats Point on the great win. A little payback for last year. Get ready for the next round of Point vs Whitewater tomorrow at 10:00 am.
Lights will be on today. Happy? ;)
Quote from: GBMAN on May 20, 2010, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 20, 2010, 09:20:06 PM
Was that Scott Williams or Jordan Zimmerman on the hill for the Pointers?
Scott Williams
Wow, GBMAN. You might want to switch away from the decaf coffee.
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–adjective
1.not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2.amusing; humorous.
3.lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.
Donovan getting the start for Whitewater against Point this morning. Will be interesting to see if he can shut them down for the second time in seven days.
Sidearm again MIA today...video working nicely...after 1 - UWW 1 UWSP 0
...live stats are now working...
Point already fairing better through three innings against Donovan than they did in 8.1 last weekend, as they lead 6-2 heading to the bottom of the 3rd. In Donovan's defense, a costly error by the Warhawks allow Point to tack on three unearned runs.
I'm going to predict right now however that six runs will not be enough to win this game....
Quote from: cubs on May 21, 2010, 11:46:42 AM
Point already fairing better through three innings against Donovan than they did in 8.1 last weekend, as they lead 6-2 heading to the bottom of the 3rd. In Donovan's defense, a costly error by the Warhawks allow Point to tack on three unearned runs.
I'm going to predict right now however that six runs will not be enough to win this game....
Donovan pulled after three, but stays in as a DH. Leitner pitching for UWW now. Saving innings for Donovan later I would assume.
Two more runs for Point (1 unearned) and it's 8-2 UWSP after 3 1/2 innings.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 21, 2010, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 21, 2010, 11:46:42 AM
Point already fairing better through three innings against Donovan than they did in 8.1 last weekend, as they lead 6-2 heading to the bottom of the 3rd. In Donovan's defense, a costly error by the Warhawks allow Point to tack on three unearned runs.
I'm going to predict right now however that six runs will not be enough to win this game....
Donovan pulled after three, but stays in as a DH. Leitner pitching for UWW now. Saving innings for Donovan later I would assume.
That's possible, but I was also wondering if maybe the hit-by-pitch he sustained while batting had something to do with it....
Watching that last play by Leavitt, it might have been better to put Donovan in at first. Warhawks defense putting them in a large hole.
I don't understand why Whitewater's dugout is so quiet. Their usually very loud.
Quote from: BoBo on May 21, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
Watching that last play by Leavitt, it might have been better to put Donovan in at first. Warhawks defense putting them in a large hole.
Had they done that they would lose their DH privildge and the pitchers would have to hit. That may not have been a good choice either.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 21, 2010, 12:07:35 PM
I don't understand why Whitewater's dugout is so quiet. Their usually very loud.
Seriously?
There is a certain individual you can hear in the other dugout above everyone else, and until recently, his playing time had been pretty limited. All he did was "chirp" the entire DH I watched earlier in the season.
Someone needs to tell the behind the plate camera operator that his lense has a smudge right at the right handed batters box. It's really beginnng to bug me! ;) Pull out a towel and clean it!!
Is there anything better in D3 sports than when Stevens Point is playing at their best offensively? It's certainly been a roller coaster ride this year as a fan. Haven't been able to make it down there yet and am afraid of jinxing them.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 21, 2010, 01:06:16 PM
Is there anything better in D3 sports than when Stevens Point is playing at their best offensively?
LOL ::)
Fine I'll throw in that Whitewater football is up there for excitement.
Quote from: cubs on May 21, 2010, 11:46:42 AM
Point already fairing better through three innings against Donovan than they did in 8.1 last weekend, as they lead 6-2 heading to the bottom of the 3rd. In Donovan's defense, a costly error by the Warhawks allow Point to tack on three unearned runs.
I'm going to predict right now however that six runs will not be enough to win this game....
Nice prediction genius!!!!
One win away from a trip to Appleton!!!! Amazing job by Tyler Lorenz and the rest of the Pointers!!!! 12-4 win against Whitewater puts Point in the drivers seat. I'll be the first to admit I didn't think they would make it this far. But you can NEVER count out the Pointers. Good Luck tomorrow!!!!!
Quote from: szlongball on May 21, 2010, 01:18:20 PM
But you can NEVER count out the Pointers. Good Luck tomorrow!!!!!
The same could be said about the other teams remaining in the regional. As evidence, think about what happened on the same diamond last week. ;)
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 21, 2010, 01:06:16 PM
Is there anything better in D3 sports than when Stevens Point is playing at their best offensively?
hy·per·bo·le [hahy-pur-buh-lee]
–noun Rhetoric.
1.obvious and
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2.an extravagant statement or figure of speech
not intended to be that the user likely believes to be taken literally, as "to wait an eternity."
I had to edit that one to account for the current user.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 21, 2010, 01:40:12 PM
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 21, 2010, 01:06:16 PM
Is there anything better in D3 sports than when Stevens Point is playing at their best offensively?
hy·per·bo·le [hahy-pur-buh-lee]
–noun Rhetoric.
1.obvious and unintentional exaggeration.
2.an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be that the user likely believes to be taken literally, as "to wait an eternity."
I had to edit that one to account for the current user.
"Just Bill" should
just change the name to "Noah Webster." ;)
too bad...looks like whitewater will have to win three in a row to advance..two being against UWSP. they put themselves in the same hole as the WIAC tourny. We'll see if they have it in them to pull it out again. Only this time we'll have to do it against St. thomas (more than likely), rather than Platteville, no offense against the Poineers ;)
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 21, 2010, 01:06:16 PM
Is there anything better in D3 sports than when Stevens Point is playing at their best offensively? It's certainly been a roller coaster ride this year as a fan. Haven't been able to make it down there yet and am afraid of jinxing them.
On an unrelated note...this is the dumbest thing i've heard all day. My guess is, he's never seen whitewater or mount union play football before. Or maybe even Point, they had a very good offense too last year.
Congrats to UWSP...hopefully the WIAC can get yet another NCAA championship!!!
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on May 21, 2010, 01:53:43 PM
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 21, 2010, 01:06:16 PM
Is there anything better in D3 sports than when Stevens Point is playing at their best offensively? It's certainly been a roller coaster ride this year as a fan. Haven't been able to make it down there yet and am afraid of jinxing them.
On an unrelated note...this is the dumbest thing i've heard all day. My guess is, he's never seen whitewater or mount union play football before.
The jumbo size print is worth repeating.
Thing is there's a huge difference between baseball and football. Not many teams have a lineup 1-9 where each and every guy can hurt you. It's pretty difficult to string 7-8 hits together in a row compared to scoring a TD 5 consecutive drives in football. I'm by no means saying that Whitewater's baseball lineup isn't spectacular because their pretty impressive. Bottom line is I'm probably overly excited about Point finally hitting their peak because their playing like I thought they would the entire season. There's nothing better than seeing a bunch of talented kids put it all together. Win or lose tomorrow I'll be satisfied with how the end of this season went although I wouldn't mind watching Point a few times in Appleton. Believe it or not I'm smart enough to realize this tournament is FAR from over. I'm guessing Point will more than likely have to use Delorit on short rest to win this thing.
Sam Spurney is on the D3 page rounding the bases after his home run. Spurney was a tremendous addition and didn't get the hype over the years that he deserved. Kind of lost in the shuffle behind other great players. How is Point going to replace Richter, Arch, Spurney, and Lorenz? I'm guessing Koback will be healthy next year and fill Lorenz's spot in the rotation. Surman will more than likely take over left field. Whose going to play 1rst? Gerber looked really good at times this year so that's my guess.
How about enjoying the ride this year? There will be plenty of time to worry about NEXT YEAR when THIS season is over.
UST eliminates Carthage 7-5.
UST vs. UWW coming up for the right to face UWSP tomorrow.
Oh I'm enjoying the ride this year but wish I would've been there today. Unfortunately I had a needle stuck in my back at 7:30 A.M. this morning and couldn't make it. I'm hoping to make the 3 hr drive down tomorrow.
Warhawks win, eliminate St. Thomas 5-4. We're going to have a new national champion. UWW/UWSP tomorrow for the regional crown and trip to Appleton.
Looks like the WIAC still has a shot at the trifecta of National Titles.
Quote from: szlongball on May 22, 2010, 02:08:00 AM
Looks like the WIAC still has a shot at the trifecta of National Titles.
The WIAC also has the current defending national champs of men's outdoor track (Oshkosh), women's gymnastics (La Crosse) and women's cross country (Eau Claire). Not too shabby.
Get it done today Point my wife wants to hit up Hooters before the World Series game next weekend.
Quote from: kirbypuckett on May 21, 2010, 02:47:06 PM
Thing is there's a huge difference between baseball and football. It's pretty difficult to string 7-8 hits together in a row compared to scoring a TD 5 consecutive drives in football.
Believe it or not I'm smart enough to realize]
Do you have anything resembling a clue?
Some of things that you come up with really makes a person wonder about that.
How many times have you seen a great baseball team string together 7-8 hits? Big innings tend to be from walks, errors, and hit batters.
How's the weather in Whitewater today? I haven't left Stevens Point and don't want to risk the game getting rained out. Looks like it's going to start pouring here.
No rain in the forecast about 78 degrees and sunny.
Quote from: boston pancake on May 22, 2010, 10:13:28 AM
How many times have you seen a great baseball team string together 7-8 hits? Big innings tend to be from walks, errors, and hit batters.
How many times do you see a football team score on five consecutive possessions?
I did a poor job of making my point clear. The point is that obviously both tasks are extremely difficult and happen infrequently.
The weather will be very nice. It's going to be warm and sunny. An excellent day for baseball. However we were thinking of postponing the games til tonight so we could use the lights. :D
...oh, I get it now, boston pancake was kirbypuckett, who was...
...your repertoire of names is never ending. ;) 8-) 8-)
It's simple to change your username so why not switch it up once in a while? Not like you guys can't figure out who I am. I certainly don't switch it to be sneaky. I'm just leaving I don't think I can get there by 1:00. Lucky thing I have a fuzz buster.
The game is scheduled to start at noon.
I'm sitting here, waiting for the game to begin and wondering what in the world a boston pancake is. So I looked it up and Whoa! Nelly, I wish I hadn't. I'm sorry, but that's downright sick. Whoever came up with that is seriously lacking in brain matter.
Riley.
Tincher.
Wow. Is he going to throw another one today? This is starting to reach Scott Hyde territory.
Warhawks hand Point their first loss of the regional by a score of 9-3. They force a deciding game for the regional championship and berth in Appleton.
Very impressed with Riley Tincher. Hell of a job. Congrats. Will Point show up in the Championship game? I sure hope so.
Lost the 106.5 radio feed over here. Anyone else? It went out during Bloom's visit to the mound. Getting this error: A network firewall might be preventing the Player from opening the file by using the UDP transport protocol.
UWSP's 1010AM is still up.
Penn Atlantic video is all good. Both teams escape jams in the 6th. On to the 7th at 3-3.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 22, 2010, 05:24:37 PM
Penn Atlantic video is all good. Both teams escape jams in the 6th. On to the 7th at 3-3.
Right on. My cheapskate ways allows for low-end DSL only on this computer. The Penn audio is fine for me, but the video lags too much. I'm fine with UWSP radio.
Pointers up 4-3 in the 9th. Beav you are my HERO!!! Pitching change for Whitewater.
POINTERS TO WORLD SERIES!!!!!!
The WW-SP championship game won by SP 4-3 should have been seen in the D 3 W Series. I know people want to see representation from around the country but that's not what D 3 athletics should be about. It should be about the best teams making it to the W Series. SP and WW are two of the best teams in D 3 athletics and the WIAC is a powerhouse in football (champions) basketball ( champions), and in baseball but the decision -makers like to see the teams that rarely receive recognition, get to the top level, even though both WW and SP on a typical day could wipe the floor with the majority of D 3 teams. Point should have been sent to another site with WW hosting. Surely someone will say.."I told you so" if SP doesn't win it all; but that is hardly the point here, right? It's about the best teams getting in.
Think everyone should get to see this championship game. Awesome job by BOTH teams. And I agree that the WIAC HAS TO BE THE BEST CONFERENCE IN THE COUNTRY!!!!
Quote from: szlongball on May 22, 2010, 06:34:25 PM
Think everyone should get to see this championship game. Awesome job by BOTH teams. And I agree that the WIAC HAS TO BE THE BEST CONFERENCE IN THE COUNTRY!!!!
In watching UWSP baseball over the years, UWSP hasn't been a team that rolls the dice. For Bloom to put the squeeze on ... the guy's got some stones. And Scott Williams? Doesn't get any better than that. Congrats.
Good luck in the Series Pointers! Bring it home to the WIAC!!
Thanks for the comment. Case in "point." ( That pun is bad I know !)...Both WW and SP played a common opponent this year in Ripon College and beat RC by a 4- game combined score of 41-8. So what does the D 3 board do? They send RC to Moline and conscously pit WW against SP for potentially the upteenth time to beat each other's brains out.... again.. We all know there is no real fairness, let alone equity, in many aspects of life, but when people have a choice in this world of D 3 baseball to at least ensure that the "best" teams in the U.S. are represented in the W series, then pull the trigger in the right direction..I feel badly for WW as I believe they would have cleaned house in their region if SP would have been sent to Moline. The decision was there to make and people made a bad one...
This is sad to say as a Pointer fan but I really felt bad for Whitewater after the game. I have no doubt that Whitewater and Point are 2 of the top 8 teams in the country along with St. Thomas and only 1 of them are in Appleton. Pretty impressive for Tincher to take the ball and go the distance I'm sure he was beat with the heat and all the innings. Great job by Point to get where they've gotten after struggling the last 2 weeks of the season and now have seemed to put things together. I will be the first to admit I was wrong, I stated there was no way Point would make it to the series without Koback and sure **** they made it. On a side note I want to say what a career for Jordan Stine and you have to give the guy a ton of credit with the injuries he had and he kept battling back. He is one of the best defensive center fielders in D3 history. Although it sucks for Whitewater losing today they had a great year and will be a top 5 preseason pick for next year with 3 stud pitchers returning. Finally, Scott Williams is the man. Give him the ball Friday morning at 10:00 A.M. and bring him back on Monday when we're 3-0 on short rest. Delorit also should be given credit coming back on short rest. He pitched great today and the ump behind the plate screwed him on at least 2-3 strikeouts. Lots of complaining by fans about the umps but I have to say it was equally horrible. I thought Donovan was going to body slam the 1rst base ump.
Congrats to the Pointers for their win in game #11 on Saturday and the regional championship. Good luck in Appleton, represent the WIAC and keep the walnut and bronze in the state!! I really thought the Warhawks were going to pull off the double win for the second weekend in a row, but it wasn't meant to be. Winning the game on a squeeze play is as exciting as it comes. A thrilling end for the winners; the agony of defeat for the Warhawks.
Okay, which is the fiercer rivalry?
Yankees vs. Red Sox
UWW vs. UWSP
:D
That's a great question. It's only going to get better next year as both teams are returning a lot of key players and the NCAA will likely put them in the same regional once again.
I forgot to add that I'm impressed with the Whitewater facility and fans. Did anyone else hear the chant, "Hooper, Hooper". They really get into the game and support their team. Same can be said for Point but I think the Whitewater fans are crazier. As for the facility some of the WIAC teams better step up to the plate or their going to be getting every stud WI recruit. Their football stadium in unreal. Is there a better AD job than at Whitewater? Can't imagine having that job with those facilities to work with.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2010, 10:55:18 PM
Okay, which is the fiercer rivalry?
Yankees vs. Red Sox
UWW vs. UWSP
:D
Yankees? Never heard of 'em. ;)
UWW vs STP NO CONTEST!!
Seeing Jeff Donovan cannot play football this fall could he opt to play for the Whitewater basketball team? I heard he is quite a basketball player too. That would be impressive if he could and made 1rst team all conference. I'm guessing there's not even a chance but just had to throw the idea out there. I can't imagine how great of a senior year he'll have in baseball now that he can just focus on 1 sport.
Quote from: Suicide Squeeze on May 23, 2010, 02:33:47 AM
Seeing Jeff Donovan cannot play football this fall could he opt to play for the Whitewater basketball team? I heard he is quite a basketball player too. That would be impressive if he could and made 1rst team all conference. I'm guessing there's not even a chance but just had to throw the idea out there. I can't imagine how great of a senior year he'll have in baseball now that he can just focus on 1 sport.
I don't know what Jeff's plans are but it would be cool if he was an assistant QB coach in the fall and played baseball next spring.
Jeff is focusing on baseball this summer. He'll play for the Green Bay team in the Northwoods League. I don't know about football coaching next year but he does plan on using his final year of baseball eligibility. I kind of doubt basketball is anywhere in his plans.
Message board for the 2011 Midwest Regionals at Prucha Field to be hosted by UW-Whitewater.
Let's hope either Oshkosh or Point assuming both make regionals are shipped out to another regional.
IF, and that is a big IF, both the CCIW and WIAC both get three teams in, I could see them swapping a team into each Regional. If not, I could see all three WIAC teams going to Whitewater I don't think there will be a surplus of Midwest Regional teams qualifying this season.
Quote from: cubs on April 24, 2011, 11:22:50 PM
IF, and that is a big IF, both the CCIW and WIAC both get three teams in, I could see them swapping a team into each Regional. If not, I could see all three WIAC teams going to Whitewater I don't think there will be a surplus of Midwest Regional teams qualifying this season.
I don't see that happening, at least based on last year's Central regional -- the CCIW had three teams qualify and all went to the same regional. I'm not sure it's even something that can be proposed.
Please remember that the South Regional is at Rhodes. The Virginia teams are more than 500 miles away from Memphis, so we might see some teams moved westward, all thru the brackets.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2011, 12:08:20 AM
Please remember that the South Regional is at Rhodes. The Virginia teams are more than 500 miles away from Memphis, so we might see some teams moved westward, all thru the brackets.
Google maps says Joliet to Millington is 506 miles. Nowhere in Iowa appears to be close enough. Dallas, Indianapolis and Cincinnati are less than 500 miles.
Significantly, so is Demorest, GA, which shows up as precisely 500 miles from Marietta by the shortest route. Every VA or NC possibility could go to Marietta. Methodist could only go to Marietta and stay under 500 miles, if they get a berth that is.
Teams that could be in the tournament that could go to Millington would be anyone in the SLIAC, Transylvania, Rose-Hulman, Franklin, Thomas More, University of Dallas, anyone in the ASC East still playing (Mississippi College could only go to Millington and stay less than 500 miles).
That's really not many possibility. SLIAC and Piedmont will most likely be there. Maybe 50-50 on HCAC champ or a Pool C, Thomas More maybe, and it seems likely that the ASC champ will go to the West unless it's Mississippi to help fill that regional.
The NCAA uses the TES mileage software, not Google.
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles)
Quote from: OshDude on April 25, 2011, 06:23:50 AM
The NCAA uses the TES mileage software, not Google.
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles)
Piedmont to Marietta is 505 miles.
If Piedmont is selected, then Piedmont can be flown anywhere that they are needed.
Quote from: mr_b on April 24, 2011, 11:49:16 PM
Quote from: cubs on April 24, 2011, 11:22:50 PM
IF, and that is a big IF, both the CCIW and WIAC both get three teams in, I could see them swapping a team into each Regional. If not, I could see all three WIAC teams going to Whitewater I don't think there will be a surplus of Midwest Regional teams qualifying this season.
I don't see that happening, at least based on last year's Central regional -- the CCIW had three teams qualify and all went to the same regional. I'm not sure it's even something that can be proposed.
It can and HAS been proposed.... Take a look at the 2008 Regionals.....
While there were three CCIW teams last year, there were only two WIAC teams. In 2008 when three WIAC and CCIW teams qualified, Carthage was "shipped" to the Midwest Regional, joining Whitewater and Oshkosh, while Stevens Point went to the Central Regional, joining Augustana and Illinois Wesleyan.
As you can see, things were shuffled as recently as three years ago, so it wouldn't surprise me to see it happen again.
Quote from: OshDude on April 25, 2011, 06:23:50 AM
The NCAA uses the TES mileage software, not Google.
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles)
Well they should use google because it's a helluva lot easier than navigating all that crap.
I am not looking up the zip code for every place that isn't a university.
Whatever...pretty sure they're not going to ask me anyway.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2011, 07:48:32 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 25, 2011, 06:23:50 AM
The NCAA uses the TES mileage software, not Google.
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles)
Piedmont to Marietta is 505 miles.
If Piedmont is selected, then Piedmont can be flown anywhere that they are needed.
Piedmont isn't more than 500 to Millington though, is it?
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2011, 07:48:32 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 25, 2011, 06:23:50 AM
The NCAA uses the TES mileage software, not Google.
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles)
Piedmont to Marietta is 505 miles.
If Piedmont is selected, then Piedmont can be flown anywhere that they are needed.
Piedmont isn't more than 500 to Millington though, is it?
You're right. Piedmont to Rhodes is only 460 miles.
If Piedmont gets a Pool B/C, then they are can go there.
the 2008 central region also had linfield in it, in addition to point.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2011, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2011, 07:48:32 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 25, 2011, 06:23:50 AM
The NCAA uses the TES mileage software, not Google.
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles)
Piedmont to Marietta is 505 miles.
If Piedmont is selected, then Piedmont can be flown anywhere that they are needed.
Piedmont isn't more than 500 to Millington though, is it?
You're right. Piedmont to Rhodes is only 460 miles.
If Piedmont gets a Pool B/C, then they are can go there.
Is the regional in Millington or actually at Rhodes campus?
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 26, 2011, 11:09:14 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2011, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2011, 07:48:32 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 25, 2011, 06:23:50 AM
The NCAA uses the TES mileage software, not Google.
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles)
Piedmont to Marietta is 505 miles.
If Piedmont is selected, then Piedmont can be flown anywhere that they are needed.
Piedmont isn't more than 500 to Millington though, is it?
You're right. Piedmont to Rhodes is only 460 miles.
If Piedmont gets a Pool B/C, then they are can go there.
Is the regional in Millington or actually at Rhodes campus?
At the stadium in Millington TN, hosted by Rhodes.
Anyone have an update on the games today? Was thinking about driving over for the first two games, but have no idea what the start times are now with the weather and such...
Anyone?? Anyone??
Besides the regional site, you might want to keep an eye on some Twitter feeds. You might get quicker information there...
@uwspathletics - UWSP's sports info feed
@csssaints - CSS sports info
@cpeterson_11 - I think he's a CSS player
@HUPipers - Hamline sports info
@AU_Spartans - Aurora sports info
and of course...
@d3baseball - for updates from around the country
Quote from: Just Bill on May 18, 2011, 09:42:53 AM
Besides the regional site, you might want to keep an eye on some Twitter feeds. You might get quicker information there...
@uwspathletics - UWSP's sports info feed
@csssaints - CSS sports info
@cpeterson_11 - I think he's a CSS player
@HUPipers - Hamline sports info
@AU_Spartans - Aurora sports info
and of course...
@d3baseball - for updates from around the country
Thanks JB. Appreciate the info.
Looks like we'll be underway on time...
@uwspathletics: No delays here in WW! Pointers and @AU_Spartans set for 10am first pitch in soggy Whitewater! Listen live at www.1010wspt.com
Scott Williams (UWSP) vs. Drew Gay (AU) in the opener
http://www.sidearmstats.com/uww/baseball/index.htm
Nine-hitter Garrett Gajewski singles home two for Aurora. 2-0 AU in the middle of the second.
Looks like Gay is pitching to contact, and letting his defense do the work thus far...
Fritz (groundout) and Douglas (single) drive in runs. 2-2 through five. Very different pitchers, both being effective. Williams has struck out eight, Gay none.
All tied up after five complete innings 2-2, as Point scores two runs in the bottom of the 5th. They could have had a bigger inning if not for having a runner thrown out on the bases with nobody out.
Williams with 8 K's through 5.0 Innings.
Gay with 0 K's through 5.0 Innings.
A rather clean game so far, as the teams have combined to play errorless ball through five innings.
Great minds think alike JB!!!!! ;D
Quote from: cubs on May 18, 2011, 12:07:12 PM
Great minds think alike JB!!!!! ;D
... and so do ours!
Heading tothe 9th, still tied 2-2.....
Williams with 2 BB's and 11 K's, while Gay has 0 BB's and 2 K's. Both pitchers have given up 6 hits through eight innings of work.
Thanks for the updates fellas....keep them coming. Is there a way I can listen to these games on webcast or something?
So if you are one of the other four teams at the Midwest Regional right now, what are you pulling for more?
A) Aurora to upset the #1 seed
B) Game to go about 15 innings and #1 seed Point wins, but has to use their top two guys?
Quote from: Strikeout on May 18, 2011, 12:41:44 PM
Thanks for the updates fellas....keep them coming. Is there a way I can listen to these games on webcast or something?
For goodness sakes, don't count on us. There's video (for UWW games only), audio and live stats all right here:
http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/2011/5/9/BSB_0509114021.aspx?id=684
Why not C) Aurora over Point, AFTER 15 innings? :)
On to extras!
Quote from: beejo on May 18, 2011, 12:46:42 PM
Why not C) Aurora over Point, AFTER 15 innings? :)
Because there would be nothing to debate then, making the question irrelevant... ;)
It's gotta be Iverson time soon, right?
I am going to predict that if Point doesn't win it here in the Bottom of the 10th, Aurora scores in the 11th to take the lead, with the top of the order due up.
Gotta bunt Surman over to 3rd with nobody out following the lead-off double don't you?
Quote from: cubs on May 18, 2011, 12:52:12 PM
Gotta bunt Surman over to 3rd with nobody out following the lead-off double don't you?
Not Bloom apparently. We watch too many UWO games.
Quote from: cubs on May 18, 2011, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: beejo on May 18, 2011, 12:46:42 PM
Why not C) Aurora over Point, AFTER 15 innings? :)
Because there would be nothing to debate then, making the question irrelevant... ;)
I'd take the Point loss... looks like that might not be the case though!
Then again, like UWO they squeeze at winning time.
Quote from: cubs on May 18, 2011, 12:52:12 PM
Gotta bunt Surman over to 3rd with nobody out following the lead-off double don't you?
Guess not, as Fritz singles to left to put runners on the corners with nobody out.
Considine with the squeeze bunt, and Point wins 3-2.
Quote from: OshDude on May 18, 2011, 12:54:53 PM
Then again, like UWO they squeeze at winning time.
Not going to lie..... That is my favorite play in baseball!!!!
Wow, what a surprising game.
Quote from: OshDude on May 18, 2011, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 18, 2011, 12:52:12 PM
Gotta bunt Surman over to 3rd with nobody out following the lead-off double don't you?
Not Bloom apparently. We watch too many UWO games.
I suppose..... Guess you don't have to bunt when you have guys in the line-up that can hit semi-consistently.
Sitting here watching the game, Point tried hard to give this one away.
Home plate ump had a huge zone and give credit to the Aurora starter, Gay, for staying outside all day long. He made two real mistakes in he game and Point hit both of them to the RC gap for extra bases.
Who is WW throwing vs UST?
Quote from: Strikeout on May 18, 2011, 01:17:28 PM
Who is WW throwing vs UST?
Live stats show Donovan vs. Franz
anyone getting the video feed to work? At least the UWW radio guys are tolerable...
UWW really wants this one. Fourth inning and Tincher is in on relief of Donovan.
2-2 after 4...Beyr scores from second on a ball that never left the IF. Pitcher made a terrible play on that one...
Interesting day so far. Williams for Point....Donovan and Tincher so far here for WW.....hats off to Franz from UST...he's done a pretty good job handling WW thus far.
I'm assuming that Vo plans to tag team with donovan and tincher again in the third...or perhaps even the second game if they lose this one. if their arms hold up that may be an effective use of them. Always sucked when teams would switch up the pitcher frequently during the game, and if you can bring in two studs it may very well prove to be successful for them! UST not playing sound defensive ball this game...killing them
Quote from: Dagger on May 18, 2011, 03:48:37 PM
I'm assuming that Vo plans to tag team with donovan and tincher again in the third...or perhaps even the second game if they lose this one. if their arms hold up that may be an effective use of them. Always sucked when teams would switch up the pitcher frequently during the game, and if you can bring in two studs it may very well prove to be successful for them! UST not playing sound defensive ball this game...killing them
Yeah that's an interesting strategy....both pitchers were touched up a little bit but no major damage done. I think you're right, WW will throw them again game 3 regardless of W or L here. UST shooting themselves in the foot.
UST is not built to come from behind and rely on offensive production, they never have been. They have always relied on executing the game on every level cleanly, and getting just enough run support to edge out the other team. Today their defense let them down, and their offense was what it is. Definitely missed several big opportunities, but they still win that game with clean defense even without the missed runs, because WW didn't hit well either.
Quote from: Dagger on May 18, 2011, 04:09:20 PM
UST is not built to come from behind and rely on offensive production, they never have been. They have always relied on executing the game on every level cleanly, and getting just enough run support to edge out the other team. Today their defense let them down, and their offense was what it is. Definitely missed several big opportunities, but they still win that game with clean defense even without the missed runs, because WW didn't hit well either.
That was why I picked UST to pull the upset. This isn't the same Whitewater offense of years past. You can pitch around a couple of guys and get away with it. You couldn't do that against some of the previous Warhawk teams. Congrats Whitewater and Point!!! WIAC 2-0 on Day #1, while Wisconsin is 3-0 with Ripon upsetting #1 seed Coe. Let's see if Carthage can make it a clean sweep for the state later today.
Not getting the audio feed for the CSS-Ham game.....anyone else having trouble?
Quote from: Strikeout on May 18, 2011, 05:09:32 PM
Not getting the audio feed for the CSS-Ham game.....anyone else having trouble?
I just got it to work now.
lost it again!
Thanks to a couple of double play balls, Hamline's Cass Kreitlow has faced the minimum through 6 innings. Hamline manufactures a run in the Top of the 1st Inning on a HBP and it has held up thus far as Hamline leads 1-0.
CSS musters only three base-runners through 8 innings against Hamline's Cass Kreitlow, but gets two base runners in the 9th inning and it results in a run to tie the game 1-1.
Still 1-1 as they head to the 11th inning, with both Lewis and Kreitlow still going strong.
Heading to the 12th inning, still tied 1-1.....
Lewis and Kreitlow still on the mound....
The Saints announcer gets really excited - they tied the score in the bottom of the 12th at 2...runner on first and two outs.
Hamline wins 3-2 in 13 innings.
15 total runs in 32 innings of play today. Think the new bats don't make a difference with good pitchers on the mound?
Day 1 is complete in Whitewater, with pitching ruling the day (usually the case on Day 1 of most Regionals) as we see a pair of extra-inning games and a total of 15 runs scored in three games (32 innings of baseball.)
Day #2 Match-ups
Aurora vs St. Thomas 10:00 am
Stevens Point vs St. Scholastica 1:00 pm
Whitewater vs Hamline 4:00 pm
Definitely think we could be seeing another round of Stevens Point/Whitewater in Game #7 Friday morning.....
I'm going to take Point vs Hamline Friday. Point better get the sticks going quickly.
UST eliminates Aurora.....CSS v. UWSP 2-1 CSS in the 4th. Delorit not looking very sharp for Point. Saints looking much more comfortable today.
CSS beats Point by a final of 3-2. Not a very pretty game but well fought.
UWW and Hamline tied at 6 going into the ninth. Warhawks appeared on their way to a win, but Hamline loaded the bases on 3 singles in the bottom of the eighth and scored 3 runs before the Hawks got out of it. 2-3-4 hitters coming up for Whitewater.
One out on a foul out to 3rd.
Pitching change...Hamline bringing in a righthander to face Rob Coe (3-4 HR 2 RBI). Donovan on deck.
Coe retired on easy fly to RF.
Donovan grounds out to 1st unassisted.
Hamline's 9th coming up (2-3-4 hitters due up for the Pipers). Coe's on the bump for the Warhawks.
A lead off single is wasted and we go to extra innings.
Matt Beyer with a 2-out, stand-up triple over the head of the centerfielder in the right field gap followed by a double by Dylan Friend and the Warhawks take a 7-6 lead going in to the bottom of the 10th for Hamline. The Hamline CF'er was shading Beyer to pull and wasn't able to catch-up to the opposite field drive, he had a little trouble picking up the ball, but Beyer was going for 3 all the way. Friend was behind in the count, but slapped a pitch over the head of the third baseman for his game winning, RBI double. 6-7-8 hitters coming up for the Pipers. Rob Coe on the hill for the Warhawks.
3 up and down and the Warhawks win in 10 innings, 7-6 over Hamline. Warhawks remain unbeaten. Hamline gets their first loss.
CSS with a big win over UWSP....UST eliminates Aurora.....Hamline takes WW to the wire.... Arms are starting to run thin....WW is unbeaten and has used a lot of arms thus far....Perhaps advantageous for them however, they've used most of them sparingly....Will we see any day 1 pitchers tomorrow? Another good day at Prucha Field! Predictions for tomorrow and the rest of the tourny?
Quote from: Strikeout on May 19, 2011, 08:12:56 PM
CSS with a big win over UWSP....UST eliminates Aurora.....Hamline takes WW to the wire.... Arms are starting to run thin....WW is unbeaten and has used a lot of arms thus far....Perhaps advantageous for them however, they've used most of them sparingly....Will we see any day 1 pitchers tomorrow? Another good day at Prucha Field! Predictions for tomorrow and the rest of the tourny?
IMO, UWW is sitting in the drivers seat because they haven't been beaten. I wouldn't be surprised to see Donovan starting tomorrow at 4pm. But, the way Tincher was hit today, can't take anything for granted. UWSP is riding shotgun and creeping over to the left. I've seen them in this position TOO many times to be comfortable. The close scores so far in the regional is a strong indication of the competitive nature of every team remaining. As it always does, pitching decisions will be critical in all remaining teams success...or lack thereof. Therefore, there is no clear-cut favorite after two days.
What an awesome game to witness...... UW-Whitewater wins 7 to 6 over Hamline...
Point has to ride Wendorf/Van Beck/Iverson tomorrow against Hamline and hope for a W without using Koback. IMO that's their only way of making it through and having a shot to beat Whitewater at 4. Whitewater will have Donovan/Tincher against Point and Point will have to have Koback on the hill to win that game. If Point can find a way to get to Saturday I'm confident Williams will be able to go at least 7. It's just unfortunate that the better team didn't win today. Stranding 14 is just unheard of.
I get what the Tommies have done to this point so far but CSS has shown no offense and I can't see that continuing. Is it time to finally use Edwards to get to Saturday? I think if they want to have a shot at winning it all you only use him to close if needed.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 19, 2011, 10:23:28 PM
Point has to ride Wendorf/Van Beck/Iverson tomorrow against Hamline and hope for a W without using Koback. IMO that's their only way of making it through and having a shot to beat Whitewater at 4. Whitewater will have Donovan/Tincher against Point and Point will have to have Koback on the hill to win that game. If Point can find a way to get to Saturday I'm confident Williams will be able to go at least 7. It's just unfortunate that the better team didn't win today. Stranding 14 is just unheard of.
At this point in the season its not about who is "better", its about who delievers. I wouldn't say either teams offsense delivered yesterday, but the Saints made a few less mistakes in the field and made a few great plays (Greening throw from left to get runner at the plate) and won the game.
I know you WIAC'ers think your teams are pretty special, but if you don't think the MN schools in this tournament aren't good enough to win this thing, then I'm not sure what games you have been watching.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 20, 2011, 09:29:32 AM
I know you WIAC'ers think your teams are pretty special, but if you don't think the MN schools in this tournament aren't good enough to win this thing, then I'm not sure what games you have been watching.
I wouldn't be in the group that thinks the MN schools can't win the Regional, but all I will say is this..... Outside of St. Thomas, the other MN schools haven't schown the ability to win a Regional Championship. It seems like the Midwest Regional Champion has been either Stevens Point, Whitewater, St. Thomas or Oshkosh every year for the past 30+ years. Lakeland is the only school I can think of that has stoppped the "fearsome foursome" from representing the Midwest Region at the World Series, when they won the Ragional in 2002. Until someone else does it, I can see why people doubt their ability to finish the job. :-\
Quote from: cubs on May 20, 2011, 11:46:40 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 20, 2011, 09:29:32 AM
I know you WIAC'ers think your teams are pretty special, but if you don't think the MN schools in this tournament aren't good enough to win this thing, then I'm not sure what games you have been watching.
I wouldn't be in the group that thinks the MN schools can't win the Regional, but all I will say is this..... Outside of St. Thomas, the other MN schools haven't schown the ability to win a Regional Championship. It seems like the Midwest Regional Champion has been either Stevens Point, Whitewater, St. Thomas or Oshkosh every year for the past 30+ years. Lakeland is the only school I can think of that has stoppped the "fearsome foursome" from representing the Midwest Region at the World Series, when they won the Ragional in 2002. Until someone else does it, I can see why people doubt their ability to finish the job. :-\
I think all that Biggio is saying is that no one has really looked that dominant in the tourney so far, just looking at this years tournament and not years past. But cubs is right, those four teams have ruled the midwest, CSS is the only other team to consistently make the regionals so until they can break through to the World Series people probably wont think otherwise. On the other hand, there is a feeling out there though that WIAC teams feel they are God's gift to baseball.
CSS eliminates the Tommies 2-1, and then there were 3! Get ready for a Point/WW war.
Quote from: Strikeout on May 20, 2011, 04:10:18 PM
CSS eliminates the Tommies 2-1, and then there were 3! Get ready for a Point/WW war.
Nice win for the Saints, especially with the Freshman on hill. I would guess Vogelgesang to throw the first game and if they win to come back with Lewis. Nice to still have your #2 pitcher to throw and then possibly come back with your #1. Not sure how many pitches Lewis threw but would think a Senior would be asking for the ball on two days rest (doesnt matter though unless you pick up the first game).
I agree with baseballfan. CSS did a similar thing when they had to beat WW twice in the championship a couple of years ago. They had Burg ready to go but they never made it to the second game.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
On the other hand, there is a feeling out there though that WIAC teams feel they are God's gift to baseball.
Your exaggeration is noted, but not entirely a fact. IMO, the long track record of success at this level fuels the confidence or many fans. I personally feel the two student announcers on the UWW TV (watching the stream on computer) are GOD's gift to baseball. ;) They are definitely raw.
Great pitchers dual going on. UWW just scored as Coe with a stolen base of 3rd base and an error on the catcher on the throw. 1-1 bottom of the 6th.
Fon rips a double to right center with two outs.
Matt Beyer continues the rally with a single to right scoring Fon.
6 complete from Whitewater 2-1 UWW
Quote from: BoBo on May 20, 2011, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
On the other hand, there is a feeling out there though that WIAC teams feel they are God's gift to baseball.
Your exaggeration is noted, but not entirely a fact. IMO, the long track record of success at this level fuels the confidence or many fans. I personally feel the two student announcers on the UWW TV (watching the stream on computer) are GOD's gift to baseball. ;) They are definitely raw.
Great pitchers dual going on. UWW just scored as Coe with a stolen base of 3rd base and an error on the catcher on the throw. 1-1 bottom of the 6th. Fon rips a double with two outs.
Yes, the WIAC has a great track record. Until a team other than UST gets through this regional, it'll most likely stay that away. As far as the announcers on UWWTV...I mean my god. Get a tee baller in there to commentate, I'm sure they understand the difference between a "point" and a run. Also, I have never heard an announcer refer to a lead-off walk as, "a smooth move."
Quote from: BoBo on May 20, 2011, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
On the other hand, there is a feeling out there though that WIAC teams feel they are God's gift to baseball.
Your exaggeration is noted, but not entirely a fact.
Of course its exaggerated and not entirely a fact but not entirely false either.
I followed one inning of the those 2 announcers and was questioning whether or not they thought they were watching a soccer match. Why doesnt UWW connect their radio guy to their video
Quote from: Strikeout on May 20, 2011, 06:18:09 PM
I have never heard an announcer refer to a lead-off walk as, "a smooth move."
Too funny!! Only a "smooth operator" can make "a smooth move."
Someone needs to give the guys a UWSP roster. I don't think they have mentioned a Pointer by name the entire game...it's always "the batter" or "fly ball to the centerfielder" etc.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: BoBo on May 20, 2011, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
On the other hand, there is a feeling out there though that WIAC teams feel they are God's gift to baseball.
Your exaggeration is noted, but not entirely a fact.
Of course its exaggerated and not entirely a fact but not entirely false either.
I followed one inning of the those 2 announcers and was questioning whether or not they thought they were watching a soccer match. Why doesnt UWW connect their radio guy to their video
Because it's "student" TV!! The radio guys are professional broadcasters.
Quote from: BoBo on May 20, 2011, 06:40:27 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: BoBo on May 20, 2011, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
On the other hand, there is a feeling out there though that WIAC teams feel they are God's gift to baseball.
Your exaggeration is noted, but not entirely a fact.
Of course its exaggerated and not entirely a fact but not entirely false either.
I followed one inning of the those 2 announcers and was questioning whether or not they thought they were watching a soccer match. Why doesnt UWW connect their radio guy to their video
Because it's "student" TV!! The radio guys are professional broadcasters.
Exactly so they should string a cord to their video feed, not difficult...UWW communications department must be hurting in general. CSS managed to do it during the UMAC playoffs, but I guess CSS was trying to put out a quality product.
UWW 2 Point 1. Great game - like all the games, very well played. Donovan complete game victory.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 06:45:05 PM
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Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: BoBo on May 20, 2011, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
On the other hand, there is a feeling out there though that WIAC teams feel they are God's gift to baseball.
Your exaggeration is noted, but not entirely a fact.
Of course its exaggerated and not entirely a fact but not entirely false either.
I followed one inning of the those 2 announcers and was questioning whether or not they thought they were watching a soccer match. Why doesnt UWW connect their radio guy to their video
Because it's "student" TV!! The radio guys are professional broadcasters.
Exactly so they should string a cord to their video feed, not difficult...UWW communications department must be hurting in general. CSS managed to do it during the UMAC playoffs, but I guess CSS was trying to put out a quality product.
You left the door open for a heck of a comeback, but I'll choose to keep it to myself.... Don't want my karma to get dinged too bad!!! :D
Quote from: cubs on May 20, 2011, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 06:45:05 PM
Quote from: BoBo on May 20, 2011, 06:40:27 PM
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Quote from: BoBo on May 20, 2011, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
On the other hand, there is a feeling out there though that WIAC teams feel they are God's gift to baseball.
Your exaggeration is noted, but not entirely a fact.
Of course its exaggerated and not entirely a fact but not entirely false either.
I followed one inning of the those 2 announcers and was questioning whether or not they thought they were watching a soccer match. Why doesnt UWW connect their radio guy to their video
Because it's "student" TV!! The radio guys are professional broadcasters.
Exactly so they should string a cord to their video feed, not difficult...UWW communications department must be hurting in general. CSS managed to do it during the UMAC playoffs, but I guess CSS was trying to put out a quality product.
You left the door open for a heck of a comeback, but I'll choose to keep it to myself.... Don't want my karma to get dinged too bad!!! :D
Cubs, I think we all know where this is leading...karma or no karma, what's left unsaid may be more powerful than what is said!! ;) {open mouth, insert foot ring a bell?}
Hats off to Donovan for a very well pitched game. I'm not sure I've seen more curveballs in my life.
IMO, UWSP taking out Wendorf when they did was the turning point (no pun intended) in this game. He had scattered only 3 hits in 5 1/3 innings & the Warhawks really hadn't hit anything hard all day. Then they really started to tee off on Iverson for a couple batters. The Pointers got a runner to third with one out in the 7th. But two easy ground balls ended the threat. UWSP didn't make any serious noise after that. Donovan was sharp, especially with that big spinner, but it seemed the Pointers were on the verge of a big inning a number of times. I'm sure it feels great to get that large monkey (or is it a gorilla) off their backs. But it means nothing without 1 win tomorrow. Is the weather going to hold out?
Quote from: Strikeout on May 20, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Hats off to Donovan for a very well pitched game. I'm not sure I've seen more curveballs in my life.
Thats why he is the curveball king.
So will UWW throw Lambert again in game 1 then come back with Tincher in 2 if needed?
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Hats off to Donovan for a very well pitched game. I'm not sure I've seen more curveballs in my life.
Thats why he is the curveball king.
So will UWW throw Lambert again in game 1 then come back with Tincher in 2 if needed?
I would throw Tincher, with the plan being to close the book in game 1. No need in making this too suspenseful or dramatic. ;)
Quote from: BoBo on May 20, 2011, 08:08:38 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 20, 2011, 07:25:13 PM
Quote from: Strikeout on May 20, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Hats off to Donovan for a very well pitched game. I'm not sure I've seen more curveballs in my life.
Thats why he is the curveball king.
So will UWW throw Lambert again in game 1 then come back with Tincher in 2 if needed?
I would throw Tincher, with the plan being to close the book in game 1. No need in making this too suspenseful or dramatic. ;)
I would too. CSS hasn't proven they can hit a left-hander all year. Siefken from BLC, Delorit from UWSP, and Mortenson from WW all shut them down.
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Quote from: Strikeout on May 20, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Hats off to Donovan for a very well pitched game. I'm not sure I've seen more curveballs in my life.
Thats why he is the curveball king.
So will UWW throw Lambert again in game 1 then come back with Tincher in 2 if needed?
I would throw Tincher, with the plan being to close the book in game 1. No need in making this too suspenseful or dramatic. ;)
makes sense just was not sure since he already threw twice with the last one being not so great
CSS needs to get that WW defense moving tomorrow with a lot of stealing and hit and runs. If CSS gets baserunners, they are an absolute pain to deal with.
Quote from: Strikeout on May 20, 2011, 09:50:56 PM
CSS needs to get that WW defense moving tomorrow with a lot of stealing and hit and runs. If CSS gets baserunners, they are an absolute pain to deal with.
You might agree Strikeout, that there's a simple solution then for the Warhawks (although easier said than done)...Tincher or whoever starts needs to throw a no-no!! Keep them boys off the base paths!! ;)
What an awesome game to witness UW-W 2 V UWSP 1..... I could see Larson getting the start too..
If the plan is to start Tincher one of the games tomorrow, I start him Game #1 if Lewis isn't throwing for CSS. If Lewis gets the nod in Game #1, I save Tincher for Game #2.
Quote from: cubs on May 20, 2011, 10:32:41 PM
If the plan is to start Tincher one of the games tomorrow, I start him Game #1 if Lewis isn't throwing for CSS. If Lewis gets the nod in Game #1, I save Tincher for Game #2.
UWW gave Lewis is only loss on the season on May 3. So confidence shouldn't be lacking with whoever CSS throws. At this stage, IMO the most judicious move is to go out with your best able arm to get the win without giving CSS a chance at a second game. I believe that's #35.
Good luck to WW tomorrow. Let's get the WIAC to the WS again.
Tincher v. Lewis....just what CSS needs.
CSS up 1-0 in the 4th. Touching Tincher up a little bit. Need to start cashing in these opportunities.
Tincher chased after 5+ innings of work....WW down 2-0. CSS in a good position to take this game. Lambert coming in runner on 2nd no outs.
Quote from: Strikeout on May 21, 2011, 02:10:52 PM
Tincher chased after 5+ innings of work....WW down 2-0. CSS in a good position to take this game. Lambert coming in runner on 2nd no outs.
surprised they brought Lambert in
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Tincher chased after 5+ innings of work....WW down 2-0. CSS in a good position to take this game. Lambert coming in runner on 2nd no outs.
surprised they brought Lambert in
Jinxed.
Brent Young 3-run HR puts Warhawks on top in bottom of 7th 6-3. One out.
Warhawks close it out behind the 4 innings of relieve pitching of Justin Lambert (3 H, 1 BB, 2 K's).
FINAL 6-3!!
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 21, 2011, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: Strikeout on May 21, 2011, 02:10:52 PM
Tincher chased after 5+ innings of work....WW down 2-0. CSS in a good position to take this game. Lambert coming in runner on 2nd no outs.
surprised they brought Lambert in
You wouldn't have been if you'd seen the way he's been pitching lately.
All MidWest Region Tournament Team
1. Ben Richardson, position player, Hamline University
2. Drew Cremisino, position player, University of Saint Thomas
3. Cody Koback, position player, UW-Stevens Point
4. Jordan Rennicke, position player, UW-Stevens Point
5. Brandon Peterson, position player, College of Saint Scholastica
6. Dylan Friend, position player, UW-Whitewater
7. Matt Beyer, position player, UW-Whitewater
8. Jeff Donovan, position player, UW-Whitewater
9. Rob Coe, position player, UW-Whitewater
10. Scott Williams, pitcher, UW-Stevens Point
11. Matt Lewis, pitcher, College of Saint Scholastica
Most Outstanding Player
Jeff Donovan UW-Whitewater
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 22, 2011, 03:39:17 PM
Most Outstanding Player
Jeff Donovan UW-Whitewater
Damn, is there anything this kid can't do? 8-) He has to be one of the better athletes this university has seen.
Keep it rolling 'Hawks!
what are everyone's thoughts on teams being able to host a regional if they are not the #1 seed? I would like to put a disclaimer that this has nothing to do with point losing...congratulations to the hawks, glad to see another wiac school representing, and WW was strong enough to win in a neutral site anyway...but I just really think it's absolutely ridiculous to allow a team that is not the #1 seed to host a regional! I mean seriously, what's the point of getting the #1 seed if a lower seed has home field advantage? It's just extremely unfair, and anyone that claims homefield advantage isn't that big of an advantage is a moron! Regionals should be played at a neutral site, and if WW was picked to host and they were not the #1 seed than they should have been moved to the central region or somewhere else. Those are just my thoughts, again I'm not saying that being at home won the hawks the regional, they are certainly a deserving team and I wish them the best, this is just about the concept of hosting teams that are low seeds being given a huge advantage after not earning it through regular season play! It happens all across D3 not just in our area, and it's unfair all across D3 to teams that earn #1 seeds and then have to go into another lower seeded team's homefield to advance.
Many #1 seeds do not have the facilities to host the tourney. Stevens Point, for example, does not have lights (unless I am mistaken).
Not all #1 seeds have a facility that should be a host... would you really want it played at a city park as many D3 school use city fields as their homes (with the exception of Chapman and Hart Park which is fantastic facility)?
Quote from: Dagger on May 23, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
I would like to put a disclaimer that this has nothing to do with point losing......Regionals should be played at a neutral site
I agree with BigPoppa...not all top seeds have the facilities to host a regional tournament. Every single post-season game can't be played at a neutral site. That would require every team to travel, and that isn't in the NCAA's budget.
I highly doubt you would post this message if UWSP advanced on.
In the West there are just small few facilities that have lights and a booth that is required. In recent years
Chapman, Linfield and McMurry have hosted. CTX new facility may also be one to host in the future. If Cal Lu added lights it also could host.
It's a predetermined site anyway. It has nothing to do with seeding.
Are you arguing that they should wait for the brackets and then award it to the #1 seed, like basketball? Or are you arguing that they host school should shipped to another site if they are not the #1 seed? I'm just not sure what you are arguing.
It should be like basketball if your a #1 seed there has to be an advantage and you should host. Point should've been the host and could have used Witter Field. Home field makes a huge difference. Congrats to Whitewater on making the series and they certainly appear to be sitting really good with their first two games. I'm just still in shock about Point and just wish they could've played even close to their A game. It's going to be a long time before we see another Point team that loaded from top to bottom. Lots of great seniors gone and Koback going pro surely won't help for next year.
Did Point even submit a bid to host?
Home field is an advantage but it isn't one that another team can't overcome. Point did it as recently as last year.
For baseball, I like the predetermined site. If you are going to have anywhere from five to eight visiting teams playing up to 15 games, in town for a three to five day period, in a sport that is subjected to outside weather, you need more time to prepare and more staff to be available.
Getting notice that you are hosting on Monday morning and expecting schools to run a well-staffed, smooth tournament that begins on Wednesday is not reasonable. (I'm not even sure the NCAA could ship the banners to decorate the field that fast). Yes, you could probably get it done, but there's no way it will have the "championship feel" and organization that an NCAA Regional site should have.
Basketball is far easier to pull off on short notice. There's only three visiting teams playing a total of three games, it's only two days, it's not subject to bad weather (unless it's icy driving), it's in a facility that the school likely has complete control over and a facility that is likely fully wired for internet, video, radio and live stats.
what I'm saying is that no team in the regional should play at their home field, #1 seed or not. If you're school is predetermined to host then you need to play somewhere else if you qualify for regionals. for any team that earns a #1 seed, it is a huge disadvantage to them to play against a lower seed that is at home. Anyone who disagrees must either A) have not played competitive athletics or B) never advanced to regionals had they played competitively.
I understand that not all schools have the amenities to host, that's not my quip! Point did not put in an bid for that very reason, and my whole topic has nothing to do with point or WW, I just put that disclaimer in there because I figured some would feel like I was upset that point lost and was looking for excuses...that's not at all the case here.
The game should be played on a neutral site period. Wisconsin has countless stadiums that could host regionals, any of the northwoods teams facilities would surely suffice...and I'm pretty sure that other regions could find over a dozen facilities each that could be held on a neutral site as well.
If point would have advanced I would have posted the same topic! I was already discussing it with numerous individuals before the games even started last week. Like I said I'm glad that WW moved on, at least the WIAC is representing the region again...
worst case scenario I think only a #1 seed should be able to play at home, if they were indeed selected before the season to host and then were able to make it into the regional as a the #1 seed...otherwise you ship them out for somebody else. I honestly cant see how you could look me in the eye and argue that the way it is now is fair!
Quote from: Dagger on May 23, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
worst case scenario I think only a #1 seed should be able to play at home, if they were indeed selected before the season to host and then were able to make it into the regional as a the #1 seed...otherwise you ship them out for somebody else. I honestly cant see how you could look me in the eye and argue that the way it is now is fair!
Schools won't bid to host if they aren't guaranteed to play at home. When it's been suggested in the past, that's exactly what they say.
Neutral sites would be nice, but even a neutral site needs a host school and staff to put in the work. From experience I'll tell you that hosting at a neutral site is much harder. Less control of the facility, volunteers have to drive further so they are harder to get, split concessions and profits with stadium owner, etc.
I don't buy the argument that any Northwoods park is adequate either. Have you seen what they've done to Warner Park in Madison? The new grandstand is awesome, but they've brought the fences in 15-20 feet down the lines. It's 297 feet down each line, no exaggeration.
How about at a place like Carson Park in Eau Claire. At least it would be a neutral site and a few teams could probably host from that location.
http://www.eauclaireexpress.com/carson_park/
Distance from 2011 Midwest Regional Participants: (approx)
St. Thomas - 85 miles
Hamline - 93 miles
St. Scholastica - 155 miles
Stevens Point - 110 miles
Whitewater - 213 miles
Aurora - 307
It would actually be nice to have a regional in MN for a change. Hamline could be a perfect host with Midway stadium.
Regional Sites since 2000 & Champion & #1 seed
2011 - Whitewater: UW Whitewater (#1 seed UW Stevens Point)
2010 - Whitewater: UW Stevens Point (#1 seed UW Whitewater)
2009 - Oshkosh: St. Thomas (#1 seed St. Olaf)
2008 - Oshkosh: UW Whitewater (#1 seed St. Thomas)
2007 - Stevens Point (Wisc Rapids): UW Stevens Point (#1 seed UW Stevens Point)
2006 - Stevens Point (Wisc Rapids) UW Stevens Point (#1 seed Ripon)
2005 - Whitewater: UW Whitewater (#1 seed UW Stevens Point)
2004 - Whitewater: UW Whitewater (#1 seed UW Whitewater)
2003 - Oshkosh: UW Oshkosh (#1 seed UW Whitewater)
2002 - Oshkosh: Lakeland College (#1 seed UW Stevens Point)
2001 - Oshkosh: St. Thomas (#1 seed St. Thomas)
2000 - Oshkosh: St. Thomas (#1 seed St. Olaf)
Have to agree a little with the home field advantage. The chart above shows a number of regionals in Oshkosh, but actually for quite a few of those Oshkosh did not even make the tourney.
I think a Midway Stadium regional would be awesome (TRAIN!!!). Tell Hamline to get on that and make a bid.
Midway Stadium is an average at best facility. Yes they have locker rooms and a grand stand, but the field itself is average. The infield is decent, but the outfield has rolling hills that keep getting bigger as they go. If the CF plays in the right spot, you can't see his feet or shins from the dugout. Eau Claire or another Northwoods facility is an interesting idea though. It would give Northwoods league GM's and front staff an up close look at some of the top D3 kids in the area who are often overlooked for D1 and D2 kids. Any D3 kid should appreciate and play their hearts out for a chance in the Northwoods League or other top collegiate summer league, and many of these individuals are just as if not more talented than some of the players teams have. Being a Minnesota guy, an option that intrigues me is Putz and Faber fields in St. Cloud. They have hosted numerous NSIC/NCC championships as well has this year's D2 central regional. How about a push for St. Johns to host the regional tournament in near by St. Cloud?
Those on the wrong end of the final score will always find something wrong with the process and want to change the status quo. With only one winner, they can attempt to, for they are in the majority.
This discussion reminds me of poet John Lydgate's famous line, "you can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."
These D3 players are playing their hearts out when their teams get to regional play. They are playing for a chance to win a national championship - something only a small number of kids can ever say. I'm not sure 10 or 11 games of a D3 Regional in a home ballpark of a Northwood League team would make them play their hearts out any more (is that possible?) - even if it's a pseudo-audition for a summer league, collegiate wood bat league.
Imagine, EC hosting a regional when their own school doesn't even sponsor the sport. That really doesn't make any sense. The NCAA moves in mysterious ways, but that seems to be an extreme long-shot. The nearest possible sponsoring institution would be, according to MIACLUV's numbers approx. 85 or more miles away, in another state. Setting up the infrastructure to host when it's in your park is one thing; the logistics of doing it under this scenario would be daunting to say the least. One that I bet no D3 school would even get within sniffing distance.
My point of all this, the current set-up, even with a few flaws, is probably the best thing we have going until a better on-campus solution comes forward.
St. Cloud would be a fine site too.
The sad truth is that most schools just don't want to host a baseball regional. It comes after school is out so it's a chore to get student workers and most athletic staff are looking to be done for the year. Because it's predetermined there's no guarantee your team will be participating. And like I said in my other post, it's just a bigger committment than a basketball pod or some other sport. This past year, the NCAA was practically begging for someone to host the South regional, until Rhodes begrundingly offered to host in Millington.
There's a very good reason why some regionals rarely or never move around. There's a very limited number of schools interested in the first place.
Placing the Midwest in Southern Wisconsin allows the NCAA to move teams from toher regions into that one with busses. Moving it to Eau Claire or the Twin Cities (my top choice) limits the flexibiltiy the NCAA has with teams from the MidEast region. If they are over 500 miles, it costs more to send them with a flight.
Quote from: Dagger on May 23, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
worst case scenario I think only a #1 seed should be able to play at home, if they were indeed selected before the season to host and then were able to make it into the regional as a the #1 seed...otherwise you ship them out for somebody else. I honestly cant see how you could look me in the eye and argue that the way it is now is fair!
I've been reading this board the past few days, and I haven't read anywhere that suggests UWW
didn't have an advantage. I think everyone agrees with you that there is a such thing as home-field advantage.
Not sure who you're trying to convince here.
I'm probably in the minority but in my opinion these events belong on campus.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 24, 2011, 09:41:52 AM
I'm probably in the minority but in my opinion these events belong on campus.
I'm in your camp. Countless reasons why, but I'll just say I agree with you.
Quote from: OshDude on May 24, 2011, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 24, 2011, 09:41:52 AM
I'm probably in the minority but in my opinion these events belong on campus.
I'm in your camp. Countless reasons why, but I'll just say I agree with you.
That makes three of us.. :)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on May 24, 2011, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: OshDude on May 24, 2011, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 24, 2011, 09:41:52 AM
I'm probably in the minority but in my opinion these events belong on campus.
I'm in your camp. Countless reasons why, but I'll just say I agree with you.
That makes three of us.. :)
Agree as well. Plus it is a great way for D3 schools to show off their facilities to potential recruits.
And I doubt Point fans would be bringing this up if UWSP ever hosted a regional with Point winning it.
Then maybe us UWW fans would be the ones making a big deal out of it... :-\
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 24, 2011, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on May 24, 2011, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: OshDude on May 24, 2011, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 24, 2011, 09:41:52 AM
I'm probably in the minority but in my opinion these events belong on campus.
I'm in your camp. Countless reasons why, but I'll just say I agree with you.
That makes three of us.. :)
Agree as well. Plus it is a great way for D3 schools to show off their facilities to potential recruits.
That makes five of us..... Have the event on campus, where games have been being played for the past two months.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 24, 2011, 09:02:33 AM
St. Cloud would be a fine site too.
The sad truth is that most schools just don't want to host a baseball regional. It comes after school is out so it's a chore to get student workers and most athletic staff are looking to be done for the year. Because it's predetermined there's no guarantee your team will be participating. And like I said in my other post, it's just a bigger committment than a basketball pod or some other sport. This past year, the NCAA was practically begging for someone to host the South regional, until Rhodes begrundingly offered to host in Millington.
There's a very good reason why some regionals rarely or never move around. There's a very limited number of schools interested in the first place.
And St. Cloud has TWO amazing fields right next door to each other... games could be staggered or even a second practice field for BP. I love taking my high school kids there to play.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on May 24, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
And I doubt Point fans would be bringing this up if UWSP ever hosted a regional with Point winning it.
Then maybe us UWW fans would be the ones making a big deal out of it... :-\
Dude get over yourself! This has nothing to do with point losing, I don't know how much more clearly I can say that! As I stated before I had already been discussing this topic well before games were even played, and I most certainly would have brought it up had point won too! It's not fair...now as we move forward there will be no mention of teams, because the names of the schools DONT MATTER, are you with me here...that a #1 seed earns the top spot and is rewarded with a disadvantage by playing a lower seed in their home field. That's all I was saying, and was simply asking for other people's opinions on the setup...pretty innocent and simple question...why this getting spun around as a point vs WW thing I have no idea! I'm a big boy now, and I can genuinely say that if point lost I'm happy that WW won to at least represent the WIAC.
As for the rest of the adults that have been commenting...I understand the whole picture and everything that it takes to put together a regional, and I also agree that keeping it on campus is a good idea, I'm just saying it's a flawed system that's all. I'm not a coach or an AD or anything, but if I'm a less successful school that rarely if ever makes regionals and I have amenities that would qualify me to host, I would be putting in bids every year to bring people to my facilities and campus! Would that not be a good chance to get your program some recognition?
Quote from: Dagger on May 24, 2011, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on May 24, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
And I doubt Point fans would be bringing this up if UWSP ever hosted a regional with Point winning it.
Then maybe us UWW fans would be the ones making a big deal out of it... :-\
Dude get over yourself! This has nothing to do with point losing, I don't know how much more clearly I can say that! As I stated before I had already been discussing this topic well before games were even played, and I most certainly would have brought it up had point won too! It's not fair...now as we move forward there will be no mention of teams, because the names of the schools DONT MATTER, are you with me here...that a #1 seed earns the top spot and is rewarded with a disadvantage by playing a lower seed in their home field. That's all I was saying, and was simply asking for other people's opinions on the setup...pretty innocent and simple question...why this getting spun around as a point vs WW thing I have no idea! I'm a big boy now, and I can genuinely say that if point lost I'm happy that WW won to at least represent the WIAC.
I guess in a perfect world, yea, teams with the #1 seed should get home field. But unfortunately it's not that easy, and it doesn't work that way. Just as Just Bill pointed out to you a couple of times....dude.
The system has its flaws...like most DIII post seasons do. As fans there's nothing we can do about it. Sometimes it'll give a team an advantage, sometimes it doesn't. Not sure what else we can tell you.
I'm not looking for somebody to comfort me...I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion about a topic that I think should be addressed at some point. Is it easy to change? Hell no...can it be changed, absolutely! Obviously it has been brought up before in the past to coaches and AD's so it is something that has just been brought up. There's a solution for every problem out there if you want it bad enough....I brought up the topic to see what other people thought about it, whether or not they liked it, and whether or not it was worth the headache to try and fix.
I think the Twin Cities give the NCAA a lot of room to manuever with the proximity of not only the Minnesota and Wisconsin teams, but also the Iowa and Illinois teams. I think the Wisconsin schools have done a tremendous job hosting these regionals and always do it with a lot of precision and class. Just being selfish in saying that it would be great to have it on the home turf for a change.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 24, 2011, 12:14:14 PM
I think the Twin Cities give the NCAA a lot of room to manuever with the proximity of not only the Minnesota and Wisconsin teams, but also the Iowa and Illinois teams. I think the Wisconsin schools have done a tremendous job hosting these regionals and always do it with a lot of precision and class. Just being selfish in saying that it would be great to have it on the home turf for a change.
Plus a flight and virtually no bus ride if they play it in the twin cities. Midway in St. Paul is really beat up by this time as it is home to MANY high schools and colleges in the spring. St. Cloud might be a better option... two stadiums similar to the World Series set up in Battle Creek for you old-timers.
Here is a preview: http://www.stcloudmac.com/stadiumpro.html (http://www.stcloudmac.com/stadiumpro.html)
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 24, 2011, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 24, 2011, 12:14:14 PM
I think the Twin Cities give the NCAA a lot of room to manuever with the proximity of not only the Minnesota and Wisconsin teams, but also the Iowa and Illinois teams. I think the Wisconsin schools have done a tremendous job hosting these regionals and always do it with a lot of precision and class. Just being selfish in saying that it would be great to have it on the home turf for a change.
Plus a flight and virtually no bus ride if they play it in the twin cities. Midway in St. Paul is really beat up by this time as it is home to MANY high schools and colleges in the spring. St. Cloud might be a better option... two stadiums similar to the World Series set up in Battle Creek for you old-timers.
Here is a preview: http://www.stcloudmac.com/stadiumpro.html (http://www.stcloudmac.com/stadiumpro.html)
I'm sorry, but the name "Dick Putz" sounds rather funny (maybe not to the real Dick Putz or his family), but it sounds funny nonetheless. I would demand to play on Joe Faber Field when in St. Cloud!! ;)
The WIAC had several all americans this year. 2nd team- Cody Koback, Daniel Putnam, Luke Westphal 3rd team- Jeff Donovan HM Dan Douglas, Scott Williams
Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 07:20:43 AM
The WIAC had several all americans this year. 2nd team- Cody Koback, Daniel Putnam, Luke Westphal 3rd team- Jeff Donovan HM Dan Douglas, Scott Williams
Is it safe to say that that Westphal and Koback were the Midwest Region Pitcher and Player of the Year respectively then? The Midwest Region didn't have a representative on the 1st Team, and Concordia DH Cam Stephens was the only other Midwest Region Player on the 2nd Team.
Quote from: cubs on May 25, 2011, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 07:20:43 AM
The WIAC had several all americans this year. 2nd team- Cody Koback, Daniel Putnam, Luke Westphal 3rd team- Jeff Donovan HM Dan Douglas, Scott Williams
Is it safe to say that that Westphal and Koback were the Midwest Region Pitcher and Player of the Year respectively then? The Midwest Region didn't have a representative on the 1st Team, and Concordia DH Cam Stephens was the only other Midwest Region Player on the 2nd Team.
D3Baseball doesn't pick regional teams. Only the ABCA does. Since it's two separate voting bodies, I wouldn't necessarily draw conclusions from one to the other. Finding the ABCA all-region teams is always such a chore since they aren't all released together.
St. Olaf and St. Scholastic each had a guy as well...
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 25, 2011, 11:24:44 AM
St. Olaf and St. Scholastic each had a guy as well...
I was only going off of the 1st and 2nd Teams......
Quote from: Just Bill on May 25, 2011, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: cubs on May 25, 2011, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 07:20:43 AM
The WIAC had several all americans this year. 2nd team- Cody Koback, Daniel Putnam, Luke Westphal 3rd team- Jeff Donovan HM Dan Douglas, Scott Williams
Is it safe to say that that Westphal and Koback were the Midwest Region Pitcher and Player of the Year respectively then? The Midwest Region didn't have a representative on the 1st Team, and Concordia DH Cam Stephens was the only other Midwest Region Player on the 2nd Team.
D3Baseball doesn't pick regional teams. Only the ABCA does. Since it's two separate voting bodies, I wouldn't necessarily draw conclusions from one to the other. Finding the ABCA all-region teams is always such a chore since they aren't all released together.
That's right.... I forgot that they were two completely different entities.
Where can i find the midwest all region teams?
Quote from: M_I_A_C_Bsbl on May 25, 2011, 12:16:04 PM
Where can i find the midwest all region teams?
Not released yet as far as I can tell. It's a terrible system. It's like they don't want to tell anyone.
The ABCA leaves it up to each individual region chair to distribute the selections, and they all seem to work on their own timetables. They usually just send it to that region's coaches so often the first sign that it's out is individual schools writing releases on their own selections. When they do that we sometimes only get to see their selections and not the whole list. The ABCA usually takes weeks before they publish them to their site.
So we often don't see the whole all-region team unless one of the schools reproduces the entire list on their website, or we wait until the ABCA gets around to posting it.
I'm bored so here we go with ShineTime's wish list for next season.
1. Koback gets drafted but decides to finish his career at UWSP and gets 1rst team all america.
2. Westphal, Schreiber, Mullendore, Eichstadt, and Running all decide to transfer to UWSP.
3. Marathon Senior Left hander Cody Hanke chooses UWSP over Whitewater.
4. Ripon Senior 2B/SS Michael Polcyn chooses UWSP over Ripon.
5. Cam Seidl and Eric Van Beck work hard all summer and find a way to consistently throw strikes.
6. Coach Bloom doesn't get hired as AD and returns for at least 1 more season.
Is this asking too much or not? In all reality if Koback somehow is back next year and Wendorf turns into what I think he can Point should be a top 15 team seeing their top 5 hitters would be Douglas, Koback, Jirschele, Gerber, and Barnes. I'm just very nervous about the bottom of the order and finding a legit #1 and #2 pitcher if Koback doesn't return. We also are going to need a solid catcher.
Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
I'm bored so here we go with ShineTime's wish list for next season.
1. Koback gets drafted but decides to finish his career at UWSP and gets 1rst team all america.
No chance he comes back after being drafted as a junior. This is the year he actually has some leverage when it comes to his contract and signing bonus. If he comes back, that leverage is gone.
2. Westphal, Schreiber, Mullendore, Eichstadt, and Running all decide to transfer to UWSP.
Keep dreaming.....
3. Marathon Senior Left hander Cody Hanke chooses UWSP over Whitewater.
VERY good possibility......
4. Ripon Senior 2B/SS Michael Polcyn chooses UWSP over Ripon.
I'd say it's 50-50 right now....
5. Cam Seidl and Eric Van Beck work hard all summer and find a way to consistently throw strikes.
One of these guys has all the physical abilities, but struggles with the mental side of things. Not sure that is something that is going to change over the summer....
6. Coach Bloom doesn't get hired as AD and returns for at least 1 more season.
Coach Bloom will be back as the Head Coach regardless of whether or not he gets the AD position...
Is this asking too much or not? In all reality if Koback somehow is back next year and Wendorf turns into what I think he can Point should be a top 15 team seeing their top 5 hitters would be Douglas, Koback, Jirschele, Gerber, and Barnes. I'm just very nervous about the bottom of the order and finding a legit #1 and #2 pitcher if Koback doesn't return. We also are going to need a solid catcher.
I'm going to wager that Iverson will see an increased role on the mound next season, instead of being a bullpen arm. Besides him, don't be surprised if Barnes sees the mound as wel next season. That solid catcher may already be on the roster as well!!!
WARHAWK FANS
If you're attending the World Series there will be a free tailgate on Friday 2:30pm - 4:30pm. The tailgate will take place in the parking lot on the first base side of the stadium. Along with all the fixin's there will be Tom Lange's favorite beer....free beer. If you're coming don't miss it.
Quote from: cubs on May 25, 2011, 11:23:36 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
6. Coach Bloom doesn't get hired as AD and returns for at least 1 more season.
Coach Bloom will be back as the Head Coach regardless of whether or not he gets the AD position...
I'm skeptical here. I don't think UWSP considers it possible to be the athletic director while coaching a sport. I think if he gets the AD job he'll have to surrender the coaching position. In a relatable, although not identical situation some years ago, UWSP asked their women's golf coach to surrender his coaching position as a condition of becoming a professor.
On the D3 page they ask the question what are your plans for Friday but there's no option to click drowning in sorrow that your favorite team didn't make the series. I've been depressed to the max ever since last Friday when Clarke grounded out ending Point's chances of getting to the world series. I was so confident Point was going that I had booked a hotel and bought tickets in advance. I have to say though I will be cheering for Whitewater and think it's pretty cool their having a free tailgate beforehand. How many Pointer fans are going to get hammered with Hawk fans?
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 26, 2011, 09:29:54 AM
WARHAWK FANS
If you're attending the World Series there will be a free tailgate on Friday 2:30pm - 4:30pm. The tailgate will take place in the parking lot on the first base side of the stadium. Along with all the fixin's there will be Tom Lange's favorite beer....free beer. If you're coming don't miss it.
Funny b/c I'm heading up to Green Bay this weekend....VERY tempted to swing by Appleton instead. I don't think the wife will go for it though.
Quote from: cubs on May 25, 2011, 11:23:36 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
1. Koback gets drafted but decides to finish his career at UWSP and gets 1rst team all america.
No chance he comes back after being drafted as a junior. This is the year he actually has some leverage when it comes to his contract and signing bonus. If he comes back, that leverage is gone.
After thinking about this a little more, there may be a better chance of Koback coming back next year than I thought. Why you may ask? I completely forgot that he received a medical hardship waiver last season, so he is actually only going to be a Junior eligibility wise next season, and not a senior like I originally thought. He will have quite a bit of leverage in this years draft, so if he doesn't get the money he is looking for, he can return and try to improve his draft stock next season. (I still feel he has played his last game in a Pointer uniform, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. ;D)
Quote from: cubs on May 27, 2011, 11:38:47 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
1. Koback gets drafted but decides to finish his career at UWSP and gets 1rst team all america.
No chance he comes back after being drafted as a junior. This is the year he actually has some leverage when it comes to his contract and signing bonus. If he comes back, that leverage is gone.
After thinking about this a little more, there may be a better chance of Koback coming back next year than I thought. Why you may ask? I completely forgot that he received a medical hardship waiver last season, so he is actually only going to be a Junior eligibility wise next season, and not a senior like I originally thought. He will have quite a bit of leverage in this years draft, so if he doesn't get the money he is looking for, he can return and try to improve his draft stock next season. (I still feel he has played his last game in a Pointer uniform, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. ;D)
A high schooler with a full scholarship in his pocket would have some leverage. Not so sure about a college junior to be who is paying his tuition. Unless of course he was a VERY high draft selection.
Quote from: BoBo on May 28, 2011, 12:44:30 AM
Quote from: cubs on May 27, 2011, 11:38:47 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
1. Koback gets drafted but decides to finish his career at UWSP and gets 1rst team all america.
No chance he comes back after being drafted as a junior. This is the year he actually has some leverage when it comes to his contract and signing bonus. If he comes back, that leverage is gone.
After thinking about this a little more, there may be a better chance of Koback coming back next year than I thought. Why you may ask? I completely forgot that he received a medical hardship waiver last season, so he is actually only going to be a Junior eligibility wise next season, and not a senior like I originally thought. He will have quite a bit of leverage in this years draft, so if he doesn't get the money he is looking for, he can return and try to improve his draft stock next season. (I still feel he has played his last game in a Pointer uniform, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. ;D)
A high schooler with a full scholarship in his pocket would have some leverage. Not so sure about a college junior to be who is paying his tuition. Unless of course he was a VERY high draft selection.
What do you consider "VERY high?" I've heard that he is being told he may go anywhere from the 5th-10th Round, which if true is very good signing bonus money.
I'm taking him in the 1rst round of my fantasy baseball draft when he's called up to player center for the brewers.
Quote from: cubs on May 28, 2011, 10:13:24 AM
Quote from: BoBo on May 28, 2011, 12:44:30 AM
Quote from: cubs on May 27, 2011, 11:38:47 PM
Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
1. Koback gets drafted but decides to finish his career at UWSP and gets 1rst team all america.
No chance he comes back after being drafted as a junior. This is the year he actually has some leverage when it comes to his contract and signing bonus. If he comes back, that leverage is gone.
After thinking about this a little more, there may be a better chance of Koback coming back next year than I thought. Why you may ask? I completely forgot that he received a medical hardship waiver last season, so he is actually only going to be a Junior eligibility wise next season, and not a senior like I originally thought. He will have quite a bit of leverage in this years draft, so if he doesn't get the money he is looking for, he can return and try to improve his draft stock next season. (I still feel he has played his last game in a Pointer uniform, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. ;D)
A high schooler with a full scholarship in his pocket would have some leverage. Not so sure about a college junior to be who is paying his tuition. Unless of course he was a VERY high draft selection.
What do you consider "VERY high?" I've heard that he is being told he may go anywhere from the 5th-10th Round, which if true is very good signing bonus money.
2010 Rd 1-10 Signing Bonus (http://www.angelfire.com/vt/prospectwatch/index8889.html)
IMO, top 6 would be high...Rd 6-10, the signing money varies considerably for whatever reason. Can be very good; can be quite low. Very few Wisconsin products are drafted in the top ten rounds...it does happen, but not real common. My main point, however, was your use of the word "leverage" - I don't believe he has enough to use in a negotiating position.
Congrats to Whitewater on a great season and making the world series. It's too bad we didn't see their best ball this weekend but at least the WIAC got a W. Looks like Marietta is going to take it.
Quote from: BoBo on May 28, 2011, 07:19:18 PM
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Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
1. Koback gets drafted but decides to finish his career at UWSP and gets 1rst team all america.
No chance he comes back after being drafted as a junior. This is the year he actually has some leverage when it comes to his contract and signing bonus. If he comes back, that leverage is gone.
After thinking about this a little more, there may be a better chance of Koback coming back next year than I thought. Why you may ask? I completely forgot that he received a medical hardship waiver last season, so he is actually only going to be a Junior eligibility wise next season, and not a senior like I originally thought. He will have quite a bit of leverage in this years draft, so if he doesn't get the money he is looking for, he can return and try to improve his draft stock next season. (I still feel he has played his last game in a Pointer uniform, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. ;D)
A high schooler with a full scholarship in his pocket would have some leverage. Not so sure about a college junior to be who is paying his tuition. Unless of course he was a VERY high draft selection.
What do you consider "VERY high?" I've heard that he is being told he may go anywhere from the 5th-10th Round, which if true is very good signing bonus money.
2010 Rd 1-10 Signing Bonus (http://www.angelfire.com/vt/prospectwatch/index8889.html)
IMO, top 6 would be high...Rd 6-10, the signing money varies considerably for whatever reason. Can be very good; can be quite low. Very few Wisconsin products are drafted in the top ten rounds...it does happen, but not real common. My main point, however, was your use of the word "leverage" - I don't believe he has enough to use in a negotiating position.
All he needs however is one team out of 30 to want him enough that they dont want to risk him going back into the draft next season and losing out on him. The point I was trying to make is that he will have some levarage this season as compared to being a senior and not having any other options but to sign.
Quote from: BoBo on May 28, 2011, 07:19:18 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 28, 2011, 10:13:24 AM
2010 Rd 1-10 Signing Bonus (http://www.angelfire.com/vt/prospectwatch/index8889.html)
IMO, top 6 would be high...Rd 6-10, the signing money varies considerably for whatever reason. Can be very good; can be quite low. Very few Wisconsin products are drafted in the top ten rounds...it does happen, but not real common. My main point, however, was your use of the word "leverage" - I don't believe he has enough to use in a negotiating position.
All he needs however is one team out of 30 to want him enough that they dont want to risk him going back into the draft next season and losing out on him. The point I was trying to make is that he will have some levarage this season as compared to being a senior and not having any other options but to sign.
Guess that shows just how talented Koback was to go in the Top 10 Rounds..... I'm going to say there is little chance of seeing him in a Pointer uniform next season.
Quote from: Just Bill on May 26, 2011, 09:31:57 AM
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Quote from: ShineTime on May 25, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
6. Coach Bloom doesn't get hired as AD and returns for at least 1 more season.
Coach Bloom will be back as the Head Coach regardless of whether or not he gets the AD position...
I'm skeptical here. I don't think UWSP considers it possible to be the athletic director while coaching a sport. I think if he gets the AD job he'll have to surrender the coaching position. In a relatable, although not identical situation some years ago, UWSP asked their women's golf coach to surrender his coaching position as a condition of becoming a professor.
Bloom has been a professor for several years since becoming the head baseball coach so I'm not sure your example is all that valid...
Quote from: cubs on June 07, 2011, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: BoBo on May 28, 2011, 07:19:18 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 28, 2011, 10:13:24 AM
2010 Rd 1-10 Signing Bonus (http://www.angelfire.com/vt/prospectwatch/index8889.html)
IMO, top 6 would be high...Rd 6-10, the signing money varies considerably for whatever reason. Can be very good; can be quite low. Very few Wisconsin products are drafted in the top ten rounds...it does happen, but not real common. My main point, however, was your use of the word "leverage" - I don't believe he has enough to use in a negotiating position.
All he needs however is one team out of 30 to want him enough that they dont want to risk him going back into the draft next season and losing out on him. The point I was trying to make is that he will have some levarage this season as compared to being a senior and not having any other options but to sign.
Guess that shows just how talented Koback was to go in the Top 10 Rounds..... I'm going to say there is little chance of seeing him in a Pointer uniform next season.
We'll see how badly he wants to join the Red Sox organization, or how badly they want him by the signing bonus offered/excepted. Could be as low as (approx) $25,000 or as high as $150,000 - give or take a few grand. Looking at last years signing bonus, it looks like the Red Sox were very generous compared to other clubs.
Quote from: Dagger on June 07, 2011, 05:17:10 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 26, 2011, 09:31:57 AM
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6. Coach Bloom doesn't get hired as AD and returns for at least 1 more season.
Coach Bloom will be back as the Head Coach regardless of whether or not he gets the AD position...
I'm skeptical here. I don't think UWSP considers it possible to be the athletic director while coaching a sport. I think if he gets the AD job he'll have to surrender the coaching position. In a relatable, although not identical situation some years ago, UWSP asked their women's golf coach to surrender his coaching position as a condition of becoming a professor.
Bloom has been a professor for several years since becoming the head baseball coach so I'm not sure your example is all that valid...
He's not a tenure-track Professor. He's an Instructor. Huge difference. Professors and Administrators generally can't coach at UWSP. They could make an exception, I'm sure, but I'll still be very surprised if Bloom gets to keep coaching if he gets the AD job.
You obviously have more of a clue than I do on the matter so I will respectfully bow out of this one...I still get the feeling that he's going to get the AD job and keep coaching though :)
Quote from: Dagger on June 08, 2011, 10:05:42 AM
You obviously have more of a clue than I do on the matter so I will respectfully bow out of this one...I still get the feeling that he's going to get the AD job and keep coaching though :)
He very well may. I'm not trying to say it's impossible. I'm just saying if that happens, it means UWSP will be making a change in the way they've done things in the past.
I have a funny suspicion all of this talk regarding the AD position will be for naught.....
Quote from: cubs on June 08, 2011, 10:16:35 AM
I have a funny suspicion all of this talk regarding the AD position will be for naught.....
I tend to agree because I don't think he's going to be their choice.
You'll know for sure Thursday at 2PM...that's when Stevens Point has a press conference scheduled to make their announcement.
Daron Montgomery from Detroit Mercy is the choice for UWSP AD:
uwspathletics Former @DetroitTitans senior associate AD Daron Montgomery introduced as the new UWSP AD. #ncaa #d3 http://yfrog.com/h36ohsij
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