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The regional is being held in a great little ball park. Should be a fun ticket.
I'm confused. I think the d3baseball scoreboard (and probably live stats) has the score backwards in the TCNJ/Rowan game right now. The announcers are talking like Rowan is winning 3-1, but the scoreboard says 3-1 TCNJ. Does anyone know anything about this?
Quote from: baseballislife6 on May 18, 2008, 12:52:26 PM
I'm confused. I think the d3baseball scoreboard (and probably live stats) has the score backwards in the TCNJ/Rowan game right now. The announcers are talking like Rowan is winning 3-1, but the scoreboard says 3-1 TCNJ. Does anyone know anything about this?
It was fixed. Never mind!
Congratulations to Kean!
It should be an interesting time at the Lakewood, NJ (Mid-Atlantic) Regional. I assume it will be an 8-team tournament with 6 Pool A bids (Centennial/Hopkins, NJAC/William Patterson or TCNJ, AMCC/Flipacoin, CASC/probably Keystone, MAC Freedom/Flipacoin2, MAC Commonwealth/Elizabethtown), 1 or 0 Pool B (York), and 1 or 2 Pool C (Kean, Montclair State, PSU Behrend, or Keystone if they lose). No real room for imports here.
Kind of quiet here so far but I thought I would get this topic started as a new discussion for 2009.
You can also join us on the Daily Dose for discussion of all eight regionals. Follow along with us or contribute items from games you're following.
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2009/05/13/regionals-underway/
Not to squelch discussion here at all, please continue! Just hoping to get occasional contributions from those following the games.
Not a banner day for the two Penn State teams as they managed 6 hits combined – while TCNJ and Kean scored 23 runs.
Their lone run on the day scored on a TCNJ balk.
Alright everyone-
We have to get some discussion going....here is my guess for the regional that comes out tonight:
1. JHU
2. Kean
3. Widener
4. Alvernia
5. Rowan
6. PS-Behrend
7. Moravian
8. Manhattanville
I think Keystone will get shipped to the NY region. And don't be surprised if they win it.
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 16, 2010, 11:37:31 AM
Alright everyone-
We have to get some discussion going....here is my guess for the regional that comes out tonight:
1. JHU
2. Kean
3. Widener
4. Alvernia
5. Rowan
6. PS-Behrend
7. Moravian
8. Manhattanville
I think Keystone will get shipped to the NY region. And don't be surprised if they win it.
Here's my guess:
First Round Mid-Atlantic Regional
#1 Johns Hopkins vs. #8 Moravian
#2 Kean vs. #7 Manhattanville
#3 Widener vs. # 6 Frostburg State/Penn State-Behrend
#4 Alvernia vs. #5 Keystone
Rowan to NY
Yea, that's very possible.
It will probably be one of the two. I dont think that messes with the overall structure of the seedings though. You know?
Hopkins plays at 1:15 on Wed.
If they win: 4:30 Thurs
if they lose: 1:15 thurs.
schedule is in the handbook and is standard across all 8-team regionals.
Some hot teams come into the Mid-Atlantic Regional:
#1 Hopkins - 32-1 in last 33 games
#2 Kean - 18-1 in last 19 games
#5 Keystone - 22-2 in last 24 games
Let's go Hop!!
Keystone clocks Alvernia 13-3 in game #1. You saw that coming, didn't you, Nut?
I'm not getting live stats from Trenton.
I have been but am not now.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2010, 04:28:17 PM
I have been but am not now.
I had them after the third inning. The Hopkins-Moravian game just ended. They may be on break.
Quote from: RSSmith on May 19, 2010, 01:29:51 PM
Keystone clocks Alvernia 13-3 in game #1. You saw that coming, didn't you, Nut?
Humbly, yea i did.
I would have taken keystone to win the NY region if they got sent there.
Should be a great game tomorrow with JHU and Keystone. I will be there to see it!!
I was there to watch the Alvernia Vs Keystone game and i was very impressed. They played a great game and smacked the ball around. I also got see the hopkins game and i can not wait to see the keystone hopkins game tomorrow
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 19, 2010, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: RSSmith on May 19, 2010, 01:29:51 PM
Keystone clocks Alvernia 13-3 in game #1. You saw that coming, didn't you, Nut?
Humbly, yea i did.
I would have taken keystone to win the NY region if they got sent there.
Should be a great game tomorrow with JHU and Keystone. I will be there to see it!!
Give my kid a pat on the head for me.
Quote from: Mr.Baseball on May 19, 2010, 06:01:18 PM
I was there to watch the Alvernia Vs Keystone game and i was very impressed. They played a great game and smacked the ball around. I also got see the hopkins game and i can not wait to see the keystone hopkins game tomorrow
Me too.
Two great pitchers, two great offenses.....let's get it on >:(
Will do, RSSMith. You going to be able to make it this weekend if we are still around?
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 19, 2010, 08:52:57 PM
Quote from: Mr.Baseball on May 19, 2010, 06:01:18 PM
I was there to watch the Alvernia Vs Keystone game and i was very impressed. They played a great game and smacked the ball around. I also got see the hopkins game and i can not wait to see the keystone hopkins game tomorrow
Me too.
Two great pitchers, two great offenses.....let's get it on >:(
Will do, RSSMith. You going to be able to make it this weekend if we are still around?
Unfortunately, no, unless it goes into Sunday, and I'm not praying for rain.
I hear Sean Murphy is pitching for Keystone. He was a weekend starter at High Point in NC 2 years ago and transferred last year to Keystone. He is pretty solid. Did you guys hear who is throwing for Johns Hopkins? I may be going to the game later today and am excited for this matchup.
Quote from: bcbleep on May 20, 2010, 11:41:24 AM
I hear Sean Murphy is pitching for Keystone. He was a weekend starter at High Point in NC 2 years ago and transferred last year to Keystone. He is pretty solid. Did you guys hear who is throwing for Johns Hopkins? I may be going to the game later today and am excited for this matchup.
I would guess that Sam Eagleson is pitching for Hopkins. It should be a great matchup.
Wow, he is 10-0. Is he they're number 1? I haven't seen Hopkins yet this year, but I hear they are dynamite. Should be a good one.
JHU v Keystone should be a good match. Long rostered sides with almost as many "players" in the stands as in the dugout. Keystone fills it's roster with a significant number of transfers and JHU just fills it roster. Lots of good players on both sides. Edge here goes to JHU 12 - 8.
By "players" I'm assuming you mean scouts? You heard it hear first, I'm calling upset in a tight one, Keystone 5 JHU 4. Keystone has nothing to lose, they need to leave it all on the field today to beat a team of this caliber, and I think they will.
Not scouts - student-athletes on the rosters but not allowed to dress because of conference or NCAA rules. I believe there are 24 eligible players allowed in the dugout and a certain number (6 or 8) of other people, coaches included. Keystone has 40+ on its roster and JHU has 50+. Leaving many to watch from the stands.
There was one radar gun present yesterday. And for the 1st game only.
Quote from: bcbleep on May 20, 2010, 01:26:50 PM
By "players" I'm assuming you mean scouts? You heard it hear first, I'm calling upset in a tight one, Keystone 5 JHU 4. Keystone has nothing to lose, they need to leave it all on the field today to beat a team of this caliber, and I think they will.
Not taking anything away from JH but Keystone is a team of significant caliber as well. If either team holds back they're done. Keystone had a lot of problems early on by pitchers getting them on changeups because they did nothing but swing for the fences. If Keystone plays like they have been I think they win this game 7-3.
And before I get ripped no i'm not a keystone Homer just a guy looking to make some interesting conversation.
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 20, 2010, 02:30:05 PM
Not scouts - student-athletes on the rosters but not allowed to dress because of conference or NCAA rules. I believe there are 24 eligible players allowed in the dugout and a certain number (6 or 8) of other people, coaches included. Keystone has 40+ on its roster and JHU has 50+. Leaving many to watch from the stands.
There was one radar gun present yesterday. And for the 1st game only.
Hammerball what is their conference roster limit? I know of teams with 45-50 guys who travel everywhere including the early spring trip with their whole team.
JH 9 Keystone 4, close for a while, but the better team won today. Keystone had the lead until the 5th inning, but started booting and throwing the ball around. If I'm not mistaken, I think they had 4 errors which is way too many in a game like this. I'll be surprised if anyone beats JH. I felt JH was much more fundamentally sound than Keystone. I was extremely impressed, they were good in all aspects of the game. Does anyone think that Kean or any other team in this region for that matter can match up with JH? I am looking forward to the next few days, should get interesting.
Oh and thanks for the clarification earlier Hammer. You were on point with your JH prediction!
I have unfortunately not had the pleasure of seeing JH play..As you said 4 errors in any game this late in the season will never get the job done. Is don't think anyone will be able to come back from the losers bracket if JH stays the way they are.
Keystone pitcher threw a double play ground ball back to him into center field in the 6th inning with one out and no runs across. 3 runs scored shortly thereafter. Then a ground ball double play ball was hit to the third baseman in the seventh inning with one out and no runs across, third baseman threw the ball into right field. 4 runs scored shortly thereafter. If these two plays were made, could have been a different story. However, I get the feeling that JH was the superior team and that they would have still found a way to win. However, these two plays were crucial mistakes in the game. Keystone seemed deflated after the seventh, just my observation.
Keystone was spirited early but untimely miscues and JHU timely hitting, solid defense and sound pitching won out in the end. Rumors flying around Waterfront Park that some Keystone players ineligible. Just rumors but I (over)heard more than one person (unrelated) discussing the topic. Keystone is a lively, strong and talented side that seemed to have a couple of bad sequences that a team cannot have against a team as sound as JHU. If they have the pitching I expect them back against JHU Saturday. But would now be surprised if JHU loses a game.
Quote from: Heat23 on May 20, 2010, 03:39:44 PM
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 20, 2010, 02:30:05 PM
Not scouts - student-athletes on the rosters but not allowed to dress because of conference or NCAA rules. I believe there are 24 eligible players allowed in the dugout and a certain number (6 or 8) of other people, coaches included. Keystone has 40+ on its roster and JHU has 50+. Leaving many to watch from the stands.
There was one radar gun present yesterday. And for the 1st game only.
Hammerball what is their conference roster limit? I know of teams with 45-50 guys who travel everywhere including the early spring trip with their whole team.
No idea of CC roster limits.
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 20, 2010, 11:42:00 PM
Quote from: Heat23 on May 20, 2010, 03:39:44 PM
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 20, 2010, 02:30:05 PM
Not scouts - student-athletes on the rosters but not allowed to dress because of conference or NCAA rules. I believe there are 24 eligible players allowed in the dugout and a certain number (6 or 8) of other people, coaches included. Keystone has 40+ on its roster and JHU has 50+. Leaving many to watch from the stands.
There was one radar gun present yesterday. And for the 1st game only.
Hammerball what is their conference roster limit? I know of teams with 45-50 guys who travel everywhere including the early spring trip with their whole team.
No idea of CC roster limits.
The only limitation is the following from the Conference Handbook:
"M. Travel Squad. Teams may not travel with more than 29 players. Those who do not make the travel squad may not use athletic department-sponsored transportation to attend the contest as a manager, scorekeeper or statistician. An institution that is in violation of this regulation shall automatically forfeit the competition. (Adopted 5/27/09)"
Hammer, did you hear of any specific names for the ineligibility? If Keystone loses any of their big bats in the middle of the lineup, it could be disastrous. Were they using an ineligible player in the game yesterday? If so, do you think they would get the boot from the tourney?
Quote from: bcbleep on May 21, 2010, 09:22:45 AM
Hammer, did you hear of any specific names for the ineligibility? If Keystone loses any of their big bats in the middle of the lineup, it could be disastrous. Were they using an ineligible player in the game yesterday? If so, do you think they would get the boot from the tourney?
I heard one name, twice, but will not repeat. I have no idea as to your other questions. I hope it is all not true.
Congrats, Blue Jays. Good Luck in Appleton!
2010 NCAA Division III Mid-Atlantic Region All-Tournament Team.
Chuck Nicholas, Alvernia University
Greg Harbeck, Johns Hopkins University
Dave Kahn, Johns Hopkins University
James Teta, Johns Hopkins University
Ken Gregory, Kean University
Nick Nolan, Kean University
Stephen Montalbano, Kean University
Jordan Marsch, Rowan University
Jeff White, Rowan University
Dan Sieracki, Widener University
Most Oustanding Player
Alex Eliopoulos, Johns Hopkins University
Message board for the 2011 Mid-Atlantic Regional hosted by Kean at FirstEnergy Park.
This is based only on In Region Win% + In Region SOS (from info on D3Baseball.com)
Team In Region Win% + In region SOS
Kean 1.496
Rowan 1.405
Alvernia 1.381
Keystone 1.324
New Jersey 1.31
Ramapo 1.303
Moravian 1.275
Haverford 1.261
Neuman 1.258
Montclair State 1.251
Team Win% SOS Win%+SOS
Kean .926 .57 1.496
Rowan .796 .6 1.396
Alvernia .833 .525 1.358
New Jersey .7 .61 1.31
Ramapo .793 .512 1.305
Keystone .708 .59 1.298
Haverford .778 .497 1.275
Neumann .724 .529 1.253
Johns Hopkins .724 .51 1.234
Penn State-Altoona .72 .501 1.221
The Mid-Atlantic Teams in the ABCA Coaches Poll are:
4. Kean (N.J.)
11. Alvernia (Pa.)
20. Rowan (N.J.)
26. Haverford (Pa.)
1 Kean 1.498
2 Rowan 1.396
3 Alvernia 1.36
4 New Jersey 1.34
5 Ramapo 1.306
6 Keystone 1.298
7 Moravian 1.291
8 Misericordia 1.286
9 Haverford 1.274
10 Neumann 1.255
11 Pen St-Altoona 1.231
12 Johns Hopkins 1.229
13 Scranton 1.193
14 Rutgers-Newark 1.186
If the above are the rankings by In Region Win% + In Region SOS, how does the committee come up with the below Rankings?(Did Rutgers-Newark really jump 5 spots, or are my calculations off? (The latter is a real possibility)):
1 Kean
2 Rowan
3 Keystone
4 Alvernia
5 New Jersey
6 Ramapo
7 Moravian
8 Misericordia
9 Rutgers-Newark
The Committee is constituted as listed below:
Jack McKiernan, Kean University, chair
Bob Altieri, Deleware Valley College
Dave Beccaria, Haverford College
Kevin Kime, Mount Aloysius College
Yogi Lutz, Alvernia University
Vincent Masco, Drew Universit
Mark Rizzi, Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey, Newark
Jamie Shevchik, Keystone College
I think while your numbers are excellent help and proved out quite well, they're not going to be totally accurate.
Winning percentage has a higher level of variability than does SOS, especially among regional caliber teams. Regional caliber teams could have anywhere from like a .650 to a (realistically) .900 percentage. The worst regionally ranked SOS was .493, and the best in the country only .609, so a simple addition of the two favors a better record against worse competition.
You might try weighting SOS a bit more or record a bit less, and see if you can get a formula that matches the regional rankings (then try that for every other region :) ). I suspect there is no magic bullet, but you could probably get a little closer.
Still appreciate the work you have done.
Heaven - tx for the suggestion - below is a weighted (1/3 win%, 2/3 sos) attempt. Closer but not quite there.
Kean 0.68882
Rowan 0.66196
New Jersey 0.64654
Keystone 0.62894
Alvernia 0.62594
Ramapo 0.6054
Misericordia 0.60016
Moravian 0.59705
Neumann 0.59469
Haverford 0.58906
Rutgers-Newark 0.58212
Johns Hopkins 0.57727
Penn State-Altoona 0.57283
Scranton 0.56267
Although I have them up to 11, R-N's jump still does not compute for me. Would it be cynical for me to point to the presence of 2 NJAC coaches on the committee as a possible explanation?
It seems the committees have put a lot (maybe too much) emphasis on schedule strength. It's a tough balance...teams can't help who is in their conference, but in a case like Haverford they just haven't played much of anyone in or out of league.
Obviously RU-Newark's strong schedule was deemed more worthy than Neumann and Haverford's wins over weaker competition.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 29, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
It seems the committees have put a lot (maybe too much) emphasis on schedule strength. It's a tough balance...teams can't help who is in their conference, but in a case like Haverford they just haven't played much of anyone in or out of league.
Obviously RU-Newark's strong schedule was deemed more worthy than Neumann and Haverford's wins over weaker competition.
For the newbies, coaches know what they have to do with their non-conference schedule.
The Mid-Atlantic (and the Northeast) have the most opponent-rich environments. It is easy to find solid above average teams that will good have OWP/OOWP's.
In the case of Haverford, it looks like they beat Rowan, at Rowan. I understand from scouts in the area, the pitcher they beat, Arsi, is getting serious looks. Does that get considered?
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 02, 2011, 07:51:39 AM
In the case of Haverford, it looks like they beat Rowan, at Rowan. I understand from scouts in the area, the pitcher they beat, Arsi, is getting serious looks. Does that get considered?
That one game, which meets the criteria for "results vs in-region ranked opponents", is "one piece of the puzzle" for Haverford. :)
Rutgers-Newark beat Penn State- Abington (distance between the 2 is about 90 minutes depending on traffic) is this in-region?
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 02, 2011, 08:44:54 AM
Rutgers-Newark beat Penn State- Abington (distance between the 2 is about 90 minutes depending on traffic) is this in-region?
I believe it is, as it falls under the within 200 mile rule. Institutions within 200 miles of one another are considered "in-region" to my knowledge...
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 02, 2011, 08:44:54 AM
Rutgers-Newark beat Penn State- Abington (distance between the 2 is about 90 minutes depending on traffic) is this in-region?
PSU-Abington is in year #2 of its provisional status. Games versus Provisional Schools only count in years #3 and #4. The game does not count in the regional records this year.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2011, 09:42:34 AM
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 02, 2011, 08:44:54 AM
Rutgers-Newark beat Penn State- Abington (distance between the 2 is about 90 minutes depending on traffic) is this in-region?
PSU-Abington is in year #2 of its provisional status. Games versus Provisional Schools only count in years #3 and #4. The game does not count in the regional records this year.
Did not know PSU-Abington was provisional...makes sense. Thanks Ralph
How many teams make the Mid-Atlantic regional. And of those, how many slots are taken by AQ qualifying conferences. Stated differently, how many at large bids are there for the Mid-Atlantic region, and given its size would a worthy school possibly be sent to another region?
Quote from: cs2to6 on May 02, 2011, 10:13:47 AM
How many teams make the Mid-Atlantic regional. And of those, how many slots are taken by AQ qualifying conferences. Stated differently, how many at large bids are there for the Mid-Atlantic region, and given its size would a worthy school possibly be sent to another region?
The Mid-Atlantic regional is one of the largest along with New England. Usually a team or two ends up being shipped off to either New York or the South regional. The same can be said for New England though usually when an NE team is sent out of region, it goes to New York.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2011, 09:53:01 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 29, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
It seems the committees have put a lot (maybe too much) emphasis on schedule strength. It's a tough balance...teams can't help who is in their conference, but in a case like Haverford they just haven't played much of anyone in or out of league.
Obviously RU-Newark's strong schedule was deemed more worthy than Neumann and Haverford's wins over weaker competition.
For the newbies, coaches know what they have to do with their non-conference schedule.
The Mid-Atlantic (and the Northeast) have the most opponent-rich environments. It is easy to find solid above average teams that will good have OWP/OOWP's.
Weighting IRSOS heavier than IRWin% presents 2 questions: 1st - Would'nt any weighting factor be arbitrary and thus unreliable?; and 2nd - are'nt you applying SOS twice if you weight it and then add it to Win%?
My head hurts.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 29, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
It seems the committees have put a lot (maybe too much) emphasis on schedule strength. It's a tough balance...teams can't help who is in their conference, but in a case like Haverford they just haven't played much of anyone in or out of league.
Obviously RU-Newark's strong schedule was deemed more worthy than Neumann and Haverford's wins over weaker competition.
I took a look at the In Region/Out of Conference SOS for the 3 Schools you mentioned:
.512 14-3 (2 Rain Outs)
.513 7-4 (2 Rain Outs)
.531 7-1 (3 Rain outs)
Without looking match them up.
My head hurts when I see that stuff, too. :)
As I call it now, Haverford won't get a Pool C bid.
They weren't in the Regional Rankings the first time around.
They lost in the Conference tourney.
I will be surprised if they show up in the Regional Rankings for the next 2 weeks.
My inquiry, and resulting analysis, was generated by confusion as to how Rutgers-Newark could be ranked as high as they were when the numbers did not seem to support such a jump. The discussion that followed brought in some of the teams R-N may have jumped, including Haverford and Newman. Teams such as Johns Hopkins, Penn State Altoona, La Roche and Montclair State may be deserving of an explanation as well.
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 02, 2011, 12:26:19 PM
My inquiry, and resulting analysis, was generated by confusion as to how Rutgers-Newark could be ranked as high as they were when the numbers did not seem to support such a jump. The discussion that followed brought in some of the teams R-N may have jumped, including Haverford and Newman. Teams such as Johns Hopkins, Penn State Altoona, La Roche and Montclair State may be deserving of an explanation as well.
Thanks, and let me look at it tonight.
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 02, 2011, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 29, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
It seems the committees have put a lot (maybe too much) emphasis on schedule strength. It's a tough balance...teams can't help who is in their conference, but in a case like Haverford they just haven't played much of anyone in or out of league.
Obviously RU-Newark's strong schedule was deemed more worthy than Neumann and Haverford's wins over weaker competition.
I took a look at the In Region/Out of Conference SOS for the 3 Schools you mentioned:
.512 14-3 (2 Rain Outs)
.513 7-4 (2 Rain Outs)
.531 7-1 (3 Rain outs)
Without looking match them up.
You're really going to say that RU-Newark playing in year-in, year-out the toughest league in the country doesn't matter?
I really wish there was a way to track how many times teams in good conferences see the other team's ace in a non-conference game with their like #5 going or something.
According to Rutgers Newark website, they lost to Alvernia on Sunday May 1st.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2011, 06:35:04 PM
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 02, 2011, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 29, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
It seems the committees have put a lot (maybe too much) emphasis on schedule strength. It's a tough balance...teams can't help who is in their conference, but in a case like Haverford they just haven't played much of anyone in or out of league.
Obviously RU-Newark's strong schedule was deemed more worthy than Neumann and Haverford's wins over weaker competition.
I took a look at the In Region/Out of Conference SOS for the 3 Schools you mentioned:
.512 14-3 (2 Rain Outs)
.513 7-4 (2 Rain Outs)
.531 7-1 (3 Rain outs)
Without looking match them up.
You're really going to say that RU-Newark playing in year-in, year-out the toughest league in the country doesn't matter?
I really wish there was a way to track how many times teams in good conferences see the other team's ace in a non-conference game with their like #5 going or something.
Never said any team "doesn't matter", especially R-N (wife's school). And only looking at 2011 and trying to understand how R-N was placed where they were in the first regional rankings. Nothing more.
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 03, 2011, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2011, 06:35:04 PM
Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 02, 2011, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 29, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
It seems the committees have put a lot (maybe too much) emphasis on schedule strength. It's a tough balance...teams can't help who is in their conference, but in a case like Haverford they just haven't played much of anyone in or out of league.
Obviously RU-Newark's strong schedule was deemed more worthy than Neumann and Haverford's wins over weaker competition.
I took a look at the In Region/Out of Conference SOS for the 3 Schools you mentioned:
.512 14-3 (2 Rain Outs)
.513 7-4 (2 Rain Outs)
.531 7-1 (3 Rain outs)
Without looking match them up.
You're really going to say that RU-Newark playing in year-in, year-out the toughest league in the country doesn't matter?
I really wish there was a way to track how many times teams in good conferences see the other team's ace in a non-conference game with their like #5 going or something.
Never said any team "doesn't matter", especially R-N (wife's school). And only looking at 2011 and trying to understand how R-N was placed where they were in the first regional rankings. Nothing more.
I didn't say that either. But the comparison you made eliminates the strongest part of RU-Newark's schedule, the NJAC, which is by far and away the best conference in the region. It's simply a comparison that doesn't tell the story.
I am certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed but the Mid-Atlantic Rankings do not make sense to me. Purely by numbers (In-region Win% + In-Region SOS with no arbitrary weighting) the top 3 are on target but after that the numbers seem to lose importance. The numbers for the top 15 would read(actual rank in parens):
Kean(1) 1.446
Rowan(2) 1.371
Alv(3) 1.362
Ram(6) 1.314
Mor(7) 1.313
Key(5) 1.311
NJ(4) 1.307
JHU(NR) 1.255
Frbg St.(8) 1.270
Hav(NR) 1.246
Neu(NR) 1.24
PSA(NR) 1.209
La Ro(NR) 1.195
PSB(NR) 1.164
RN(9) 1.158
(Yet to be factored in are the Playoff games and other season ending tilts. As an aside TCNJ's No.1 did not start in either playoff game, both of which they lost.) Again I do not understand the jump of RN. It can't be their record against in-region ranked opponents(the only other stat I can find published by the NCAA in this area) as it is .364 and, although better then the teams between it and F. St., only marginally so. Also if that is the recognizing factor how does Key jump Mor. Key has a .250 win% against in-region ranked opponents and Mor has .500. Is this like electing the Pope? We just trust they will get it right and wait for the white smoke without getting an explanation as to how they came to their decision? The new corporate buzzword "transparency" has not made it to the NCAA(or the Vatican.)
It's been mentioned on other threads of this sort that the regional rankings are not a formula. They're the result of the committee analyzing and synthesizing that data, then reconciling it with their baseball knowledge and coming to a consensus. AT least that's what I assume it is, what it seems like it should be.
It is worth mentioning that Rutgers-Newark is still in the NJAC tournament, where Ramapo and New Jersey aren't. They've won 2 of 3 against Ramapo, split with Rowan, swept New Jersey, split with Redlands (not that that's included in the regional games).
They seem, like St. Thomas, to have taken some lumps early against an ambitious schedule, but have improved and done well in the last 25-30 games. Sweeps are hard to come by in the NJAC, especially against someone other than RU-Camden and New Jersey City.
If RU-Newark beats Montclair, they will play either Rowan or Kean for the right to play the other. If they get in the next two days a win over Montclair, and 2 of 3 over Rowan/Kean, I could see them making a case for a regional bid. Heck if they get 1 of 2 against those, they might be tough to deny. If they lose to Montclair, I think they're probably out.
Hammer Ball, Good Morning.
The Presidents of the NCAA have voted on the criteria. The whole division has wanted to keep a human factor in the committee deliberations.
I fully expect arguments about the last 1-2 selections on the table in the committee meeting at the regional and national level. However, you are inviting contentious debates from the losers of those arguments, either mathematical or subjective.
I think that Newark gets its "props" from in-region "results". If you have 10-15 games in a season against regionally ranked opponents, then you have a very good idea of how that team has played. Going 5-10 against the Keans, Rowans, and TCNJ's of the region tells you more than the raw number in a formula (.333) suggests.
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Ralph,
I was wondering if participation has been down on these boards over the year...
If anyone (as I) were not on hear before you may not know how to get here after the changes on d3baseball.com. I finally saw the tab on the front but its not obvious. Just a though. I think there are a lot of people out there that would participate more if they had an easier time finding it.
Besides that... Mid Atlantic look like a pretty competitive region with Kean, Rowan, Alvernia and JHU. Thoughts on the most difficult region to get through?
Fan to remain anonymous and objective,
-123youreout
Quote from: 123youreout on May 16, 2011, 03:00:26 PM
Ralph,
I was wondering if participation has been down on these boards over the year...
If anyone (as I) were not on hear before you may not know how to get here after the changes on d3baseball.com. I finally saw the tab on the front but its not obvious. Just a though. I think there are a lot of people out there that would participate more if they had an easier time finding it.
Besides that... Mid Atlantic look like a pretty competitive region with Kean, Rowan, Alvernia and JHU. Thoughts on the most difficult region to get through?
Fan to remain anonymous and objective,
-123youreout
They are attempting to eliminate the un-educated poster ;D Congrats on passing the first test.
What do people think about the Alvernia JHU matchup?
Quote from: ArkRiverSnake on May 16, 2011, 04:11:44 PM
What do people think about the Alvernia JHU matchup?
Could be the best matchup of the first round (in the country) - Kirk vs. Eliopolous
Quote from: 123youreout on May 16, 2011, 03:00:26 PM
Ralph,
I was wondering if participation has been down on these boards over the year...
If anyone (as I) were not on hear before you may not know how to get here after the changes on d3baseball.com. I finally saw the tab on the front but its not obvious. Just a though. I think there are a lot of people out there that would participate more if they had an easier time finding it.
Besides that... Mid Atlantic look like a pretty competitive region with Kean, Rowan, Alvernia and JHU. Thoughts on the most difficult region to get through?
Fan to remain anonymous and objective,
-123youreout
Ahem, we can see your school-issued e-mail address on your profile.
haha good call. Either way, I do believe the Mid Atlantic is really strong in pitching. The Kirk kid was exceptional as was Alex. It will be interesting to see how the playoffs play out.
The not so inconspicuous,
123youreout
Is anyone at this regional that's on the board?
If so, could someone explain how both of Kean's runs in the third are unearned?
1B, IF 1B/E5 to put runners on 2nd and 3rd. Back to back RBI SAC bunts (one where an out was not recorded). Then F9, BB, 3U.
Seems like even without the error, there should have been one earned run on the two sacs, and 2 if the fly ball to right was deep enough.