Yes, you read that right.
In an attempt to alleviate some of the trouble we go through at the end of the year to recall items worthy of making the ATN year in review, I thought it wise to give myself and all D3 readers a chance to jot down things as they happen this year. In theory, if we all make note of the things we see each week that are likely to be memorable enough at the end of the year to make the YIR, then a bunch of the research for the project would be in the bag and I can get the first installment out before the Stagg Bowl.
It's an open thread to anyone who sees, hears or reads about anything peculiar or amazing which is likely to be memorable. I'll start it off by recopying part of the Team of the Week post off the front page. These two things strike me as YIR type stuff.
QuoteChris Baldwin turned out to be a quick study in his return to the defensive side of the ball for Johns Hopkins. The senior, who spent 2007 as a running back, scored three touchdowns as a defensive back for the Blue Jays, returning interceptions 28 and 45 yards for scores and bringing back a fumble 32 yards for a touchdown in a 34-3 win against St. Lawrence.
Scott Haneberg kept Menlo in the game against UW-Stout, blocking two field goals, including one with 20 seconds left in the fourth quarter. UW-Stout won 13-10 in overtime.
Anyone else notice anything interesting in Week 1?
Obviously three losing streaks of 20 games or longer kicking the bucket on the same day.
Quote from: K-Mack on September 09, 2008, 03:05:59 AM
Anyone else notice anything interesting in Week 1?
I heard a huge collective sigh of relief from the St John Fisher folks at the end of the MUC/SJF game when it fully sunk in that Nate Kmic won't be making the trip to NY for the 2009 opener ;D
The CCIW just put up 147 pts in its 3 games against the MIAA today. CCIW teams also went 2-0 against top 20 teams that may have playoff implications down the road.
In week 2, 4 quarterbacks threw for 6 TD's--two of them in the CCIW against the MIAA. Carthage's Evan Jones, IWU's Kraig Ladd, Wabash's Matt Hudson and Illinois College's Mitch Niekamp all tossed 6 td's. That has to be some kind of record???
Week 2 gives us an early leader for Least Bang for the Buck:
" Westminster (Pa.) pitched its way past Allegheny 6-2 in a rainy game that was scoreless through 53 minutes. "
I included that on the front page with you in mind, in fact. :)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2008, 03:21:01 PM
I included that on the front page with you in mind, in fact. :)
The synergy here is amazing. Now let's see if we can make this podcast go as smoothly :)
Quote# repete Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I'll offer this up here just because things have slowed down and I can't be smited here for admitting to listening to the James Madison/UMass game (hey I was lost driving around in the woodsy wilds of McLean).
But anyway, JMU scores twice in a 34-second span in the final minute of the 1st half. At one point, the Dukes get a boost with a "clock moment" and the announcers says something like ... "Hey this isn't Rowan-Bridgewater... "
Quote from: usee on September 14, 2008, 09:13:28 AM
In week 2, 4 quarterbacks threw for 6 TD's--two of them in the CCIW against the MIAA. Carthage's Evan Jones, IWU's Kraig Ladd, Wabash's Matt Hudson and Illinois College's Mitch Niekamp all tossed 6 td's. That has to be some kind of record???
There might have been more than that. But I think Carthage was the only one to hang 70 on someone.
Quote from: K-Mack on September 17, 2008, 06:01:00 PM
Quote from: usee on September 14, 2008, 09:13:28 AM
In week 2, 4 quarterbacks threw for 6 TD's--two of them in the CCIW against the MIAA. Carthage's Evan Jones, IWU's Kraig Ladd, Wabash's Matt Hudson and Illinois College's Mitch Niekamp all tossed 6 td's. That has to be some kind of record???
There might have been more than that. But I think Carthage was the only one to hang 70 on someone.
from saturday those were the only ones. I looked at all the scores and checked the boxscores of all teams that scored at least 36pts to see who threw 6 td's.
Regardless of what happens the rest of the season, Hiram has to be the 'feel good' story this year. They have already matched their win total from the last SIX seasons combined!
Totally tongue-in-cheek poke at Kickoff:
#5 Bethel, 1-2
#233 Hiram, 2-0. ;D
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2008, 11:58:26 PM
Regardless of what happens the rest of the season, Hiram has to be the 'feel good' story this year. They have already matched their win total from the last SIX seasons combined!
Totally tongue-in-cheek poke at Kickoff:
#5 Bethel, 1-2
#233 Hiram, 2-0. ;D
Hey, I'm game ... but also I think we'd have to acknowledge that Bethel's played a slightly tougher schedule so far :)
Week 3
Oles and the Tommies play 6 OT game.
Quote# repete Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I'll offer this up here just because things have slowed down and I can't be smited smote here for admitting to listening to the James Madison/UMass game (hey I was lost driving around in the woodsy wilds of McLean).
But anyway, JMU scores twice in a 34-second span in the final minute of the 1st half. At one point, the Dukes get a boost with a "clock moment" and the announcers says something like ... "Hey this isn't Rowan-Bridgewater... "
YES! I heard that broadcast as well! I was a few miles south of you, in Fairfax City--GMU territory, and I nearly fell out of my driver's seat. But continuing the tenuous thread:
- JMU broadcast cites Division III classic, and
- GMU's club football team played (and lost to) Newport News yesterday,
maybe there's something afoot in the University of Virginia system regarding Division III athletics. Hmmmm, . . .
Quote from: redswarm81 on September 21, 2008, 01:47:07 PM
Quote# repete Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I'll offer this up here just because things have slowed down and I can't be smited smote here for admitting to listening to the James Madison/UMass game (hey I was lost driving around in the woodsy wilds of McLean).
But anyway, JMU scores twice in a 34-second span in the final minute of the 1st half. At one point, the Dukes get a boost with a "clock moment" and the announcers says something like ... "Hey this isn't Rowan-Bridgewater... "
YES! I heard that broadcast as well! I was a few miles south of you, in Fairfax City--GMU territory, and I nearly fell out of my driver's seat. But continuing the tenuous thread:
- JMU broadcast cites Division III classic, and
- GMU's club football team played (and lost to) Newport News yesterday,
maybe there's something afoot in the University of Virginia system regarding Division III athletics. Hmmmm, . . .
The only recourse for the UVA system to play D-III is to dismantle all D-1 and D-II programs and move to D-III.
In the Texas, the University of Texas System has two D-III participants: UT-Tyler and UT-Dallas.
The Texas State University System (San Marcos, the former Southwest Texas State, is the main campus) has one campus in D-III, i.e., Sul Ross State. All other state schools are D-I FBS, D-I FCs or D-II.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2008, 03:09:55 PM
Quote from: redswarm81 on September 21, 2008, 01:47:07 PM
Quote# repete Says: September 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
JMU scores twice in a 34-second span in the final minute of the 1st half. At one point, the Dukes get a boost with a "clock moment" and the announcers says something like ... "Hey this isn't Rowan-Bridgewater... "
YES! I heard that broadcast as well! I was a few miles south of you, in Fairfax City--GMU territory, and I nearly fell out of my driver's seat. But continuing the tenuous thread:
- JMU broadcast cites Division III classic, and
- GMU's club football team played (and lost to) Newport News yesterday,
maybe there's something afoot in the University of Virginia system regarding Division III athletics. Hmmmm, . . .
The only recourse for the UVA system to play D-III is to dismantle all D-1 and D-II programs and move to D-III.
In the Texas, the University of Texas System has two D-III participants: UT-Tyler and UT-Dallas.
The Texas State University System (San Marcos, the former Southwest Texas State, is the main campus) has one campus in D-III, i.e., Sul Ross State. All other state schools are D-I FBS, D-I FCs or D-II.
Okay, I'm a tad confused--but it's probably my fault.
I might have confused the issue by not explicitly pointing out that James Madison University (JMU) and George Mason University (GMU) are Virginia state schools--I was referring to both both JMU and GMU as part of "the University of Virginia System," although technically they are not affiliated with UVA.
That said, is there any reason why the state of Virginia couldn't keep UVA (Charlottesville) as D-1 and let say, James Madison University participate in D-III, as it appears the UT system has done with UT-Tyler and UT-Dallas? I mean, the UT system didn't dismantle all of its D-1 and D-II systems in order to permit UT-Tyler and UT-Dallas to participate in D-III, did they?
Hello, redswarm!
I think that we are saying the same thing
GMU and JMU would need to become D-III completely and with the Final Four in recent memory, I don't think that we will be seeing GMU move to D-III for the sake of non-scholarship football.
In Texas, each campus in the four systems (UT, A&M, Texas Tech and Texas State) has governed its own athletic fortunes.
UT-Dallas started as a research institute by some Texas Instruments folks and competed in NAIA in its early years.
UT-Tyler was an upper level college (Jr/SR and grad schools) until recently and has moved from NAIA to D-III.
The only University of Virginia campus that I can see moving to D-III is Wise, but against whom would they compete and in which conference?
:)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2008, 07:48:15 PM
Hello, redswarm!
I think that we are saying the same thing
The only University of Virginia campus that I can see moving to D-III is Wise, but against whom would they compete and in which conference?
:)
Gotcha, Ralph. I just didn't realize I already understood. :D ??? ;D
Since you've stretched this tenuous thread even thinner, and since I actually know where the heck Wise is, I suppose they could try and get into the ODAC or the USA South Conference, if I were to answer logically. However, since this subject ariz when I made a complete out-of-left-field speculation, I'd figure that were UVA-Wise to enter D-III, it would catalyze several regional schools to follow suit, and the
Lincoln League would be formed by schools hailing from Kentucky, West Virginia, and western Virginia.
As far as legitimate 2008 Year-in-Review items, that decision by UofRochester to accept the personal foul penalty against St. John Fisher, thus voluntarily relinquishing a field goal for a 1st and goal on the 5 (that Rochester failed to convert), might qualify as a 2008 watershed moment--not that UofR was going to go much of anywhere anyway.
Quote from: redswarm81 on September 21, 2008, 08:13:52 PM
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As far as legitimate 2008 Year-in-Review items, that decision by UofRochester to accept the personal foul penalty against St. John Fisher, thus voluntarily relinquishing a field goal for a 1st and goal on the 5 (that Rochester failed to convert), might qualify as a 2008 watershed moment--not that UofR was going to go much of anywhere anyway.
Or, that might be the turning point that permits SJF to get a Pool C bid!
We've got it noted for K-Mack to cite it in his season-ending review. :)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2008, 08:48:39 PM
Quote from: redswarm81 on September 21, 2008, 08:13:52 PM
We've got it noted for K-Mack to cite it in his season-ending review. :)
I was starting to wonder if we'd ever get back to said subject ... although I was thoroughly enthralled by the side discussion, admittedly. :)
redswarm, you've never been to
Wise, have you? Somewhere past Galax ...
Quote from: K-Mack on September 22, 2008, 11:22:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2008, 08:48:39 PM
Quote from: redswarm81 on September 21, 2008, 08:13:52 PM
We've got it noted for K-Mack to cite it in his season-ending review. :)
I was starting to wonder if we'd ever get back to said subject ... although I was thoroughly enthralled by the side discussion, admittedly. :)
redswarm, you've never been to Wise, have you? Somewhere past Galax ...
No, I've never been to Wise, VA, although an erstwhile (and deserving) object of my affections hails from there.
I'm currently wooing a stunning former D-II athlete from sort-of-near-Wise Bristol Virginniessee. If I score a date with her, we'll have a 2008 Year-in-Review item for the ages!
red,
Somebody said that your "wooing" of her probably draws her "stunning"ness into question.....
j/k
Here's one for the strange play department.
I'm sure most of us have seen a qb catch his own pass and have seen punters make the tackle on the return, but has anyone seen a punter down his own punt?
If you had been paying attention at Saturday's Wooster-Denison game you would have seen Dension's punter, #9 Caleb McFerren, in the third quarter hit what looked like a decent punt only to see it land with backspin worthy of a Tiger Woods wedge and come bouncing back towards the los. McFerren stopped it before it made it all the way back, but it ended up an 11 yard punt.
Quote from: cwru70 on September 29, 2008, 09:22:46 PM
Here's one for the strange play department.
I'm sure most of us have seen a qb catch his own pass and have seen punters make the tackle on the return, but has anyone seen a punter down his own punt?
If you had been paying attention at Saturday's Wooster-Denison game you would have seen Dension's punter, #9 Caleb McFerren, in the third quarter hit what looked like a decent punt only to see it land with backspin worthy of a Tiger Woods wedge and come bouncing back towards the los. McFerren stopped it before it made it all the way back, but it ended up an 11 yard punt.
Can you get a Youtube of it and post it on the boards? :)
I wish I could, but I don't know of any available video of the game. I found a youtube clip of Wester v Denison and several Denison clips from 2006 and 2007 though.
Quote from: cwru70 on September 29, 2008, 09:55:08 PM
I wish I could, but I don't know of any available video of the game. I found a youtube clip of Wester v Denison and several Denison clips from 2006 and 2007 though.
Talk to the SID...
Does the UAA exchange "game films"?
Quote from: cwru70 on September 29, 2008, 09:22:46 PM
Here's one for the strange play department.
I'm sure most of us have seen a qb catch his own pass and have seen punters make the tackle on the return, but has anyone seen a punter down his own punt?
If you had been paying attention at Saturday's Wooster-Denison game you would have seen Dension's punter, #9 Caleb McFerren, in the third quarter hit what looked like a decent punt only to see it land with backspin worthy of a Tiger Woods wedge and come bouncing back towards the los. McFerren stopped it before it made it all the way back, but it ended up an 11 yard punt.
Ugh. That's a post-traumatic stress inducer. During my team's doldrums, our punter wasn't even
that good. The only time you could be certain he'd boom a punt is when we were punting from the opponent's 40--then he'd put it out of the end zone, so we'd net 20 yards on the punt.
Did you hear about the punter that was so bad that even though his punt appreared to be blocked in the backfield they could not give the defensive player credit for it. ???
Seems the referee said the punt was already on the way down!! ::)
McFerran is a good punter. He averaged 40.1 last year and 39.3 on his other six punts v Wooster. Although Denison does use another punter when attempting to put the ball close to the goal line.
An interesting stat from last weekend's Cortland-Kean game that I didn't really take notice of until somebody pointed it out to me today. Cortland kicker/tight end Jeffrey Lang recorded a touchdown, a field goal, a two-point conversion and three PAT kicks in the game. He is the first player at Cortland since at least 1964 to register each of those four stats in the same game (in fact, no Cortland player has even had a TD, FG, 2-pt conv. and PAT kick in the same season, let alone one game).
The records I have here only go back to 1964, so I have to eventually check archives for games from 1958-63 to see if Lang is the only Cortland player ever to record all four of those scoring plays in a game (the NCAA started two-point conversions in 1958).
I don't know if this worthy for end-of-the-year review, but I thought I'd throw it out there just in case.
Fran Elia
Cortland SID
Wesley had a player who scored a td almost every conceivable way in one year. He scored on an interception, a kickoff return, rushing ,receiving, and recovering one of Wesley's kickoffs in the end zone on a ball that evaded the receiving team. I don't recall if he returned a punt for a td or not.
As mentioned on the front page, Hartwick's 31 - 28 win at St. John Fisher raises the possibility of a three-way tie in the Empire 8, between Hartwick, St. John Fisher, and Ithaca. Thus, yesterday was a potential 2008 Year-in-Review moment.
Potential. Although the H/SJF/I 3-way tie is a real possibility, there are a gazillion scenarios that could derail the blessed event. First off, there are two undefeated teams in E8 conference play:
- Utica (1-0 E8) wins out, uncontested E8 Champion. Seems unlikely though, with Utica's 1-3 overall record.
- Alfred (2-0 E8) wins out, uncontested E8 Champion. Hardly impossible, as Alfred's playing well.
Were one of the above to happen, we'd be left muttering "never mind," a la Emily Litella.
The fun starts if either Alfred or Utica beats 1 or 2 of Hartwick, St. John Fisher, and Ithaca. If Utica loses to all three and Alfred beats only 1 of H/SJF/I, then there's a tie between the remaining 2, but one that would be broken by head to head competition. For example, if Alfred beats Hartwick but loses to Ithaca and SJF, then SJF has a head-to-head win against Ithaca, so SJF is champion (as long as head-to-head is a tiebreaker).
Thus, if this scenario happens, three more potential 2008 Year-in-Review moments loom: the moment that Alfred breaks the potential H/SJF/I 3-way tie in the E8.
At the same time, it shows Alfred (and Utica) how it does them no good at all to beat only one of Hartwick, Ithaca, and St. John Fisher. So, what happens if Alfred beats two of the three, and Utica again loses out? In that case, the team that beat Alfred head-to-head wins the 2 team tie that includes Alfred.
So beating
two of Hartwick, Ithaca, and St. John Fisher also does Alfred (and Utica) no good. In order to break the H/SJF/I 3-way tie AND win the conference, Alfred (or Utica) has to run the gauntlet and win all three games. That's a heck of a gauntlet to run.
There are other potential 2008 Year-in-Review moments if both Alfred and Utica beat one or two of Hartwick, St. John Fisher, and Ithaca, but I'm going to need to get in a good pre-analysis brain stretch before I start playing that what-if game.
Quote from: redswarm81 on October 05, 2008, 12:06:41 PM
As mentioned on the front page, Hartwick's 31 - 28 win at St. John Fisher raises the possibility of a three-way tie in the Empire 8, between Hartwick, St. John Fisher, and Ithaca. Thus, yesterday was a potential 2008 Year-in-Review moment.
Potential. Although the H/SJF/I 3-way tie is a real possibility, there are a gazillion scenarios that could derail the blessed event. First off, there are two undefeated teams in E8 conference play:
- Utica (1-0 E8) wins out, uncontested E8 Champion. Seems unlikely though, with Utica's 1-3 overall record.
- Alfred (2-0 E8) wins out, uncontested E8 Champion. Hardly impossible, as Alfred's playing well.
Were one of the above to happen, we'd be left muttering "never mind," a la Emily Litella.
The fun starts if either Alfred or Utica beats 1 or 2 of Hartwick, St. John Fisher, and Ithaca. If Utica loses to all three and Alfred beats only 1 of H/SJF/I, then there's a tie between the remaining 2, but one that would be broken by head to head competition. For example, if Alfred beats Hartwick but loses to Ithaca and SJF, then SJF has a head-to-head win against Ithaca, so SJF is champion (as long as head-to-head is a tiebreaker).
Thus, if this scenario happens, three more potential 2008 Year-in-Review moments loom: the moment that Alfred breaks the potential H/SJF/I 3-way tie in the E8.
At the same time, it shows Alfred (and Utica) how it does them no good at all to beat only one of Hartwick, Ithaca, and St. John Fisher. So, what happens if Alfred beats two of the three, and Utica again loses out? In that case, the team that beat Alfred head-to-head wins the 2 team tie that includes Alfred.
So beating two of Hartwick, Ithaca, and St. John Fisher also does Alfred (and Utica) no good. In order to break the H/SJF/I 3-way tie AND win the conference, Alfred (or Utica) has to run the gauntlet and win all three games. That's a heck of a gauntlet to run.
There are other potential 2008 Year-in-Review moments if both Alfred and Utica beat one or two of Hartwick, St. John Fisher, and Ithaca, but I'm going to need to get in a good pre-analysis brain stretch before I start playing that what-if game.
+1 redswarm81! :D
That post is Prime A #1 D3 geek-dom! (Use of BBC posting aids and everything!) :D :D :D 8)
I wish I had read that post before recording the podcast.
Awesome stuff.
Ralph,
You rock.....GO ALFRED
As originally reported by
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 04, 2008, 08:58:57 PM
Susquehanna, once down 28-7 with over 9 minutes left in the 3rd quarter to the Merchant Marine Academy, rallies for 23 points in the 4th quarter -- at one point, the score was 35-34 with :22 left in favor of USMMA, when Susquehanna missed an extra point. Susquehanna, instead of onside kicking normally, kicked deep as USMMA had nobody deep and beat USMMA to the ball. Susquehanna had the ball on the USMMA 10. Pass interference from the endzone made it 1st & Goal from the 2 with :17 left. Susquehanna ran the ball for no gain but spiked the ball with :01 left. The ensuing 19-yard field goal was good, leading to a 37-35 final in favor of Susquehanna. Unbelievable finish.
This has made the front page, and I think that the comeback alone might be worthy of inclusion on the 2008 "highlight reel," but that pooch kick and recovery was brilliant coaching and execution.
Speaking of front page, . . .
. . . not the kind of Year-in-Review moment you want to see in the headlines:
7 (Including 5 Salisbury U football players) Arrested in Salisbury Nightclub Brawl (http://www.wboc.com/global/story.asp?s=9131140)
Keith, since this is your board--and given your profession, you might know a good copy editor that they could use down at WBOC-TV 16, the DelMarVa's News Leader? ;)
Quote from: redswarm81 on October 07, 2008, 09:51:05 PM
. . . not the kind of Year-in-Review moment you want to see in the headlines:
7 (Including 5 Salisbury U football players) Arrested in Salisbury Nightclub Brawl (http://www.wboc.com/global/story.asp?s=9131140)
Keith, since this is your board--and given your profession, you might know a good copy editor that they could use down at WBOC-TV 16, the DelMarVa's News Leader? ;)
I just read the story and then looked at the schools web site. 3 of the 5 started on Defense in the Del Valley game and a 4th had 5 tackles in the game. That is a serious blow to the defense.
Quote from: mhb8904 AKA Toby Taff on October 08, 2008, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: redswarm81 on October 07, 2008, 09:51:05 PM
. . . not the kind of Year-in-Review moment you want to see in the headlines:
7 (Including 5 Salisbury U football players) Arrested in Salisbury Nightclub Brawl (http://www.wboc.com/global/story.asp?s=9131140)
Keith, since this is your board--and given your profession, you might know a good copy editor that they could use down at WBOC-TV 16, the DelMarVa's News Leader? ;)
I just read the story and then looked at the schools web site. 3 of the 5 started on Defense in the Del Valley game and a 4th had 5 tackles in the game. That is a serious blow to the defense.
I counted four defensive starters and a fifth who got significant burn. Add that to Chandler being out with injury, and ... well if you have depth, this is the time for it to shine.
Red, not sure you want to know what I think of small-town TV news.
While I'm sure these guys were out of line -- what were they doing at the Monkey Barrel anyway? -- the accounts of what happened are pretty uneven, as they often are when football players get arrested.
1) I doubt these guys were fighting themselves ... how come everyone arrested seems to be friendly with each other? No one from the other side was escalating the situation?
2) Oh, the poor helpless officers were attacked by the mean football players! Give me a break. Police from six departments come swarming in to stop a bar fight, certainly with whatever weapons they need to diffuse the situation at the ready, and they're adding on 'assaulting an officer' charges? I wasn't there, but that charge always seems sketchy to me.
3) The one mug shot/glamour shot is comical.
Kudos to Sherman Wood for taking swift action and sending a message to his team and the community that that stuff doesn't fly. While they might or might not be guilty of everything they are charged with, certain being at a bar during the season is exercising poor judgement, and as a player, even though it's in your nature to kick butt, you have to get the heck out of there if you feel things getting out of hand, because you have much more to lose than the drunken townie who likes to start stuff.
To me, college kids drinking isn't really that abnormal, and people who've been drinking getting in fights isn't either. I'm not saying it's excusable, I mean I managed to avoid getting in trouble in college, but I certainly wasn't above a fistfight, so I don't want to sound holier-than-thou either.
If nothing else it demonstrates that football players have to hold themselves to a higher standard than the general student body, and that's not necessarily an easy thing to do. Maybe this is a blip on the screen on a slow-news day if these are just Salisbury students getting in a tussle at a bar/club on a weekend night ... but once it's a football team -- and this goes for everywhere -- it's a story, and frankly the "team players" are generally presumed guilty.
Having been to Salisbury recently, the town of, it also seems like a place where race could ignite a small incident into a bigger one. Not saying that from any particular experience while there, the campus seems pretty cool, I'm not trying to damage their recruiting or anything ... just saying that it reminds me of another small college town in this part of the country that feels the same way.
Feature (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=38457) at NCAA about the rule changes on the 40/25 clock and safety of the player.
(Archived for future reference.)
Quote from: K-Mack on October 09, 2008, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: mhb8904 AKA Toby Taff on October 08, 2008, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: redswarm81 on October 07, 2008, 09:51:05 PM
. . . not the kind of Year-in-Review moment you want to see in the headlines:
7 (Including 5 Salisbury U football players) Arrested in Salisbury Nightclub Brawl (http://www.wboc.com/global/story.asp?s=9131140)
Keith, since this is your board--and given your profession, you might know a good copy editor that they could use down at WBOC-TV 16, the DelMarVa's News Leader? ;)
I just read the story and then looked at the schools web site. 3 of the 5 started on Defense in the Del Valley game and a 4th had 5 tackles in the game. That is a serious blow to the defense.
Red, not sure you want to know what I think of small-town TV news.
Hey, who better to save the day, than SuperCopyNerd!
* :D Wherever redundancies or oxymorons stand in the way of liberty and literacy, . . . look! By the pasteboard! It's a bird! It's a plane! . . .
* See Top 25 Board (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5930.msg951833#msg951833)
Quote from: K-Mack on October 09, 2008, 01:54:58 PM
While I'm sure these guys were out of line -- what were they doing at the Monkey Barrel anyway? -- the accounts of what happened are pretty uneven, as they often are when football players get arrested.
1) I doubt these guys were fighting themselves ... how come everyone arrested seems to be friendly with each other? No one from the other side was escalating the situation?
2) Oh, the poor helpless officers were attacked by the mean football players! Give me a break. Police from six departments come swarming in to stop a bar fight, certainly with whatever weapons they need to diffuse the situation at the ready, and they're adding on 'assaulting an officer' charges? I wasn't there, but that charge always seems sketchy to me.
3) The one mug shot/glamour shot is comical.
Kudos to Sherman Wood for taking swift action and sending a message to his team and the community that that stuff doesn't fly. While they might or might not be guilty of everything they are charged with, certain being at a bar during the season is exercising poor judgement, and as a player, even though it's in your nature to kick butt, you have to get the heck out of there if you feel things getting out of hand, because you have much more to lose than the drunken townie who likes to start stuff.
Good points all around. I did wonder why there were peace officers from 6 different jurisdictions involved, but ultimately, Coach Wood appears to understand what you describe: these guys had multiple opportunities to avoid this scene, and they apparently chose not to take advantage of a single one, making the wrong choice every time. Sigh.
Quote from: K-Mack on October 09, 2008, 01:54:58 PM
To me, college kids drinking isn't really that abnormal, . . .
It's not only normal, it's physics:
Newton's first law of motion states that a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Newton's fifth law of motion states that a body in college tends to drink beer.
Quote from: K-Mack on October 09, 2008, 01:54:58 PM
Having been to Salisbury recently, the town of, it also seems like a place where race could ignite a small incident into a bigger one. Not saying that from any particular experience while there, the campus seems pretty cool, I'm not trying to damage their recruiting or anything ... just saying that it reminds me of another small college town in this part of the country that feels the same way.
Does it always have to be about race? Can we at least be happy that one white boy was partying (and getting busted) with the brothers? ;)
I think I'll respond on the press coverage thread, since that was largely the source of my rant.
Capital having 9 turnovers and only losing 13-3 to John Carroll (1 yard in 2nd half?) is YIR worthy.
Some great finishes:
Wabash vs. Witt this week (10 pointsin final 4:30)
St. Thomas in-but-not-in vs. St. John's (who beat their rivals 12-7)
This is from Week 6, not 7, but:
QuoteA Loras touchdown by Alex McGrew with 0:00 on the clock gave the Duhawks a 23-21 victory over Coe. McGrew finished with three touchdowns on the day.
k-Mack,
this is the week to look at Muhlenberg-, a homecoming battle that will define how good the
Mules really are and whether they deserve to be no 2 in the nation, the AFCA opinion.Let's
keep an open mind......and not get hung up on the Devils 3 losses....they are a strong team with a good
coach....definitely a test...GO MULES!!!!!!!!
A #2 team shouldn't be "tested" by a 4-3 squad that's managed to lose to 2-5 McDaniel already.
^^ Very true.
Muledaddy's constant drivle is getting a little old. We'll find out exactly how good, or not so good, Muhlenberg is come playoff time.
Until then, just take a deep breath and enjoy the fact you don't need to be ranked 1 or 2 to have a shot at a mythical title. We get to settle it on the field.
Ron and Coach,
Let's score the test on Monday.i agree the playoffs are where we really get to assess talent and teams best.Just staying unbeaten until then is always a reasonable goal.The drivel continues.,,,like deja vu all over again.Enjoy the Phillies parade.
Is it a test when you get 70 points just for showing up? 8)
A player from Gallaudet wearing #54 played guard,tailback and quarterback (under center) yesterday against Wesley.
My 2 cents for the Year in Review (apologies if I should have figured this out 2-4 years ago):
If the Chair of the NCAA will go on the record saying that there are no regions, but 4 top seeds and pools 1, 2, 3, and 4, then we should go ahead and dispell this b.s. of there being an East, North, South and West Region.
Although geographically correct, there is no validity of regions being considered (other than avoiding travel costs by the NCAA), as part of the championship format - which is what the regular season is about setting up in the first place.
Quote from: TGP on November 16, 2008, 10:04:57 PM
My 2 cents for the Year in Review (apologies if I should have figured this out 2-4 years ago):
If the Chair of the NCAA will go on the record saying that there are no regions, but 4 top seeds and pools 1, 2, 3, and 4, then we should go ahead and dispell this b.s. of there being an East, North, South and West Region.
Although geographically correct, there is no validity of regions being considered (other than avoiding travel costs by the NCAA), as part of the championship format - which is what the regular season is about setting up in the first place.
This is definitely a topic worth reviewing. Hadn't seen it stated very clearly in my scattered following along the past two days.
The Week 11 carnage might be the story of the year.
Let's see:
Rivalry upsets:
Ithaca > Cortland State
DePauw > Wabash
Randolph-Macon > Hampden-Sydney
Moravian > Muhlenberg
Head-to-head showdowns for conf titles & bids:
St. John's > Carleton
CNU > Ferrum
Aurora > Lakeland
B: LaGrange > Huntingdon
Blew a solid chance at a Pool C bid:
Montclair State (Kean)
Redlands (Cal Lu)
RPI (USMMA)
H-SC (R-MC)
- Northwestern (Minn.) lost it's Pool B chance
Controlled Pool A destiny and lost:
St. John Fisher
Catholic
Albright
Won & backed into a Pool A bid:
Ithaca
Randolph-Macon
Lycoming
Blew a chance at a No. 1 seed/undefeated season or first-round home game:
Cortland State
Wabash
Had no almost chance at the beginning of Saturday, ended up in playoffs:
Wheaton
Am I forgetting anything?
Quote from: TGP on November 16, 2008, 10:04:57 PM
Although geographically correct, there is no validity of regions being considered (other than avoiding travel costs by the NCAA), as part of the championship format - which is what the regular season is about setting up in the first place.
Playing devil's advocate, is that not reason enough?
It's not like the NCAA is claiming they have balanced brackets and then backdoor us with the travel costs thing. It's understood and relevant to many limited-budget D3 schools.
Bob Gregg listed the 2-loss teams.
The first team listed is the primary loss that kept the team from earning the "A" or "B" bid. The second loss is the one that prevented the team from consideration as a "one-loss Pool C", Wheaton excepted.
| Team.................................. | Primary Loss..................... | Second Loss............................. |
| Adrian (8-2) MIAA | Trine 0-9 | Capital 14-34 |
| Cal. Lutheran (7-2) SCIAC | Oxy 21-24 | Willamette 17-31 |
| Catholic (8-2) ODAC | RMC 20-32 | Bridgewater 26-37 |
| DePauw (8-2) SCAC | Millsaps 13-55 | Trinity TX 32-45 |
| H-SC (8-2) ODAC | RMC 21-31 | Catholic 21-33 |
| Hartwick (7-2) E8 | Ithaca 42-69 | Springfield 31-45 |
| Huntingdon (8-2) SLIAC | LaGrange 17-27 | H-SC 34-38 |
| Johns Hopkins (8-2) CC | Muhl 23-28 | Moravian 10-33 |
| Montclair St (8-2) NJAC | Cortland St 17-23 | Kean 17-21 |
| Moravian* (8-2) CC | Dickinson 7-16 | Gettysburg 41-48 |
| Redlands (7-2) SCIAC | Oxy 15-28 | Cal Lu 17-24 |
| Ripon (8-2) MWC | Monmouth 35-38 | OW-Oskkosh 13-14 |
| RPI (7-2) LL | Hobart 17-20 | USMMA 21-23 |
| Rowan (8-2) NJAC | Cortland St 20-27 | Montclair St 14-30 |
| Trinity (8-2) SCAC | Millsaps 27-56 | Centre 17-26 |
| Wheaton (8-2) CCIW | NCC 21-44 | Elmhurst 23-37 |
| Wooster (8-2) NCAC | Wabash 24-45 | CWRU 7-28 |
| Salisbury (8-2) ACFC | Wesley 21-36 | Del Valley 27-41 |
| Husson (7-2) NAC | D-2 Merrimack 7-42 | D-2 American Int'l 7-35 |
*Moravian gave Centennial Conference champion Muhlenberg the Mules' only loss. "Primary" and "secondary" loss are arbitrary.
Thanks to Bob Gregg for compiling the list.
http://www.wjpa.com/allinone08.pdf
OTTERBEIN
Picked to finish 4th by the coaches and 6th by the media in the OAC, But finished the year with a 9-1 record, 2nd place in the OAC, 10th in the DIII polls and the first trip to the NCAA DIII football playoffs in the schools history. Good luck to the OTTERBEIN CARDINALS on November 22nd. :)
Quote from: tv112 on November 17, 2008, 01:53:45 PM
OTTERBEIN
Picked to finish 4th by the coaches and 6th by the media in the OAC, But finished the year with a 9-1 record, 2nd place in the OAC, 10th in the DIII polls and the first trip to the NCAA DIII football playoffs in the schools history. Good luck to the OTTERBEIN CARDINALS on November 22nd. :)
Hmm, picked to make the playoffs by one D3 prognosticator I know.
My Kickoff prediction would've been right too if the committee hadn't shuffled the rankings the last week.
No matter how well they do on Saturday, I think (OK I am a little biased ;) ) the success of the LaGrange College program this year is good one when reflecting on this year.
In only their third year, they were 0-20 the first two seasons and picked to finish only 4th in the conference. Coach Mooney, his staff, and a solid group of young men who stayed with the program from the beginning have really done a great job. They are now 9-1 conference champions and prepping for the first round of the playoffs.
I hope their story will move other D3 schools in the south and especially Georgia to start football programs.
Jason Bowen has covered the team well in his Around the South columns this season.
:)
Forgotten Man, you have every right to be "bustin' your buttons" proud. Of the new programs in the South, considering all of the resources and characteristics of each, I thought that your 0-20 would be the hardest to overcome to establish a program.
I agree with programs starting in the South.
What we need is for at least three more schools to move to the GSAC! How those schools handle football, and if they add football is another discussion.
(It looks like Covenant may be the next one for the GSAC.)
I hope that LaGrange/Huntingdon can help build it! :) (Of course, Maryville is an affiliate in the USA South.)
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on November 16, 2008, 02:21:13 PM
A player from Gallaudet wearing #54 played guard,tailback and quarterback (under center) yesterday against Wesley.
He also played defensive line. His name is Joshua Doudt (I believe.)
Quote from: The Forgotten Man on November 20, 2008, 08:38:19 AM
No matter how well they do on Saturday, I think (OK I am a little biased ;) ) the success of the LaGrange College program this year is good one when reflecting on this year.
In only their third year, they were 0-20 the first two seasons and picked to finish only 4th in the conference. Coach Mooney, his staff, and a solid group of young men who stayed with the program from the beginning have really done a great job. They are now 9-1 conference champions and prepping for the first round of the playoffs.
I hope their story will move other D3 schools in the south and especially Georgia to start football programs.
Jason Bowen has covered the team well in his Around the South columns this season.
:)
LaGrange is one of the great stories to come out of D3 this season. Win or lose on Saturday, they have already overachieved in every sense of the word. Congratulations and good luck!
Just a reminder to self:
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2008, 09:46:51 PM
Between the d2 game and the ECAC game, I wonder if there has ever been a day in football where two teams scored 68 - and lost?! :o
QuoteGaret Lynch rushed for a record-setting 429 yards and seven touchdowns as Brockport defeated host Hartwick 70-68 in the ECAC Northwest Bowl.
Lynch set a NCAA Division III record for rushing yards in a half, gaining 370 before the break. He also broke the Brockport records for rushing yards in a game, touchdowns in a game and rushing yards in a season with 1,665.
Also:
Franklin beat Otterbein 62-45 in a game that was 0-0 after the first quarter and 14-all at the half.
Griz at one point had over 500 yards of passing and -1 yard rushing.
Logan Deffner caught 5 or Chad Rupp's 7 TD passes.
I have lifted
this post (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3803.msg1005328#msg1005328) from "headlinesman", an ASC poster, who gives his interpretation of the UMHB-UWW second half kickoff that went backwards!
UMHB recovered the kickoff on its own 24 and was flagged for an illegal touching penalty.
Quote
...
What I wanted to address, however, is the opening kickoff of the 2nd half. We all know the rule that says the ball has to travel 10 yards before a member of the kicking team can legally touch the ball. The Field Judge (FJ) (the guy with the F on his back) was straddling the 40 yd line, also known as the kicking team's restraining liine. His main job is to make sure the ball travels 10 yards. Here's where it gets hinky. Any restraining line is treated as a line, not as a plane, as the goal line is treated. A kicked ball, by rule, is deemed not to have crossed a line until it touches the ground, a player, or an official on or beyond that line. In all the confusion, you miay not have noticed, but the FJ had dropped his bean bag on the UMHB 39, signifying that being the spot where the kick first touched the ground. Of course, we all know that once the ball hit the ground, it looked like a Tiger Woods wedge shot, and shot back toward the UMHB goal line, so the ball, by rule, never crossed the restraining line, hence it never traveled the required 10 yards, hence when the CRU recovered, it constitited illegal touching, giving Whitewater the ball at the spot of the illegal touching. If the FJ was right, the call was absolutely correct, inasmuch as the home crowd protested.
Some of the confusion occurred up in our part of the stands when some folks started sayint that the ball actually hit the ground at the 42, not the 39. If that were the case, then the ball crossed the restraining line, and the Cru should have been allowed to keep the ball. However, without replay, the only way to know will be to look at the game film much after the fact.
...
Quote from: K-Mack on November 27, 2008, 03:42:29 AM
QuoteGaret Lynch rushed for a record-setting 429 yards and seven touchdowns as Brockport defeated host Hartwick 70-68 in the ECAC Northwest Bowl.
Lynch set a NCAA Division III record for rushing yards in a half, gaining 370 before the break. He also broke the Brockport records for rushing yards in a game, touchdowns in a game and rushing yards in a season with 1,665.
Also:
Franklin beat Otterbein 62-45 in a game that was 0-0 after the first quarter and 14-all at the half.
Griz at one point had over 500 yards of passing and -1 yard rushing.
Logan Deffner caught 5 or Chad Rupp's 7 TD passes.
Along the vein of starting slow......
Kmic vs. Wheaton:
1st quarter: 7 carries for 8 yards
Rest of game: 22 carries for 302 yards.
Was gonna say ... Last call for '08 items!
Glass-ceiling awards:
Wheaton 9-6 playoff record; all six losses to Mount Union, including in this year's semifinals. (Even won the N bracket when MUC's bracket hosted mostly E teams)
UMHB 0-4 vs. UW-W, including in 2007 and 2008 semifinals.
HSU vs. UMHB?
SCIAC vs. NWC in first round?
Things to change next year:
-Come up with a standard for online broadcasts so watchers aren't constantly downloading new programs before the kickoff of each game.
-Get all playoff games online w/ video
-Allow staggered starts (Noon starts are easy-peasy, no discussion needed, but for exposure it would be cool to be able to watch more than one when 16 are going on nearly simultaneously)
-Something about the MUC haters that show up on the board each year ... then morph into decent contributors to the discourse on the site. :)
Quote from: K-Mack on December 14, 2008, 06:20:43 PM
...
-Allow staggered starts (Noon starts are easy-peasy, no discussion needed, but for exposure it would be cool to be able to watch more than one when 16 are going on nearly simultaneously)
That probably needs to go thru the Championship Committee and addressed by legislation.
Good luck!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on December 14, 2008, 06:20:43 PM
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-Allow staggered starts (Noon starts are easy-peasy, no discussion needed, but for exposure it would be cool to be able to watch more than one when 16 are going on nearly simultaneously)
That probably needs to go thru the Championship Committee and addressed by legislation.
Good luck!
Yeah, I usually just suggest it in writing then take credit for it four or five years later when it actually happens, a la building brackets around No. 1 seeds :)
Quote from: K-Mack on December 14, 2008, 06:20:43 PM
...
-Something about the MUC haters that show up on the board each year ... then morph into decent contributors to the discourse on the site. :)
At least Ralph's only required going to the Championship Committee and creating legislation. This one would require altering human nature! :o ;D
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 06:23:59 AM
I have lifted this post (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3803.msg1005328#msg1005328) from "headlinesman", an ASC poster, who gives his interpretation of the UMHB-UWW second half kickoff that went backwards!
UMHB recovered the kickoff on its own 24 and was flagged for an illegal touching penalty.
Quote
...
What I wanted to address, however, is the opening kickoff of the 2nd half. We all know the rule that says the ball has to travel 10 yards before a member of the kicking team can legally touch the ball. The Field Judge (FJ) (the guy with the F on his back) was straddling the 40 yd line, also known as the kicking team's restraining liine. His main job is to make sure the ball travels 10 yards. Here's where it gets hinky. Any restraining line is treated as a line, not as a plane, as the goal line is treated. A kicked ball, by rule, is deemed not to have crossed a line until it touches the ground, a player, or an official on or beyond that line. In all the confusion, you miay not have noticed, but the FJ had dropped his bean bag on the UMHB 39, signifying that being the spot where the kick first touched the ground. Of course, we all know that once the ball hit the ground, it looked like a Tiger Woods wedge shot, and shot back toward the UMHB goal line, so the ball, by rule, never crossed the restraining line, hence it never traveled the required 10 yards, hence when the CRU recovered, it constitited illegal touching, giving Whitewater the ball at the spot of the illegal touching. If the FJ was right, the call was absolutely correct, inasmuch as the home crowd protested.
Some of the confusion occurred up in our part of the stands when some folks started sayint that the ball actually hit the ground at the 42, not the 39. If that were the case, then the ball crossed the restraining line, and the Cru should have been allowed to keep the ball. However, without replay, the only way to know will be to look at the game film much after the fact.
...
Isn't the sideline another situation where it is a plane not a line, at least as far as a punt is concerned. I'm not sure the rule for kickoff. If it lands out of bounds past the goal line, but crossed the plane of the sideline at the one is it a touchback? Might have time to consult the rule book.
This from NCAA Football Rules seems to contradict the assertion regarding restraing lines v planes:
Rule 6/1 Touching and Recovery of a Free Kick
ARTICLE 3. a. No Team A player may touch a free-kicked ball until after:
1. It touches a Team B player (Exception: Rules 6-1-4 and 6-5-1-b);
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B's restraining line
(Exception: Rule 6-4-1) (A.R. 2-11-2-I);
The language that seems to apply to the UMHB kickoff is "and remains beyond."
My take would be that the sideline is a line not a plane. If you catch the ball with one (or both depending on what league) foot in bounds, it's a catch even if the ball itself is out of bounds.
But it is a plane for a punt. The punt is ob where it crosses the plane of the sideline. I qualified my statement with "as far as a punt."
Quote from: cwru70 on December 14, 2008, 11:00:17 PM
But it is a plane for a punt. The punt is ob where it crosses the plane of the sideline. I qualified my statement with "as far as a punt."
and yet a punted ball is not a touchback until it touches the ground or player
Quote from: headlinesman on December 14, 2008, 10:40:07 PM
No disrespect intended, but why didn't you include number three in your rule recitation? 6-1-3-a of the NCAA football rules says that "No Team A player may touch a free kicked ball until after:
1. It touches a Team B player (with certain exceptions);
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B's restraining line (with certain exceptions), OR,
3. It touches any player, the ground, an official or anything else beyond Team B's restraining line.
Thereafter, all players of Team A become eligible to touch, recover or catch the kick.
Had it struck the ground at the 42, it would have been the Cru's ball. period.
Updated from the ASC board... :)
Thanks to headlinesman.
We need a YouTube of that kickoff.
Those of us that were late getting back after halftime would really like to see that play.
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Quote from: KitchenSink on December 15, 2008, 08:38:27 AM
We need a YouTube of that kickoff.
Those of us that were late getting back after halftime would really like to see that play.
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
The streaming video from the NCAA won't help you. The videographer missed it, too.
Maybe one of the school videos caught it.
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on December 14, 2008, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on December 14, 2008, 11:00:17 PM
But it is a plane for a punt. The punt is ob where it crosses the plane of the sideline. I qualified my statement with "as far as a punt."
and yet a punted ball is not a touchback until it touches the ground or player
Approved Ruling 2-11-1
I. Team A's untouched scrimmage kick strikes the ground in the field of
play and breaks the plane of Team B's goal line. While the ball is in
the air, A81, who is on the one-yard line, bats the ball into the field of
play. RULING: Violation. Team B's option: touchback or possession
of the ball where declared dead (Exception: Rule 8-4-2-b).
I have seen it in the pro's where a player leaps and knocks the ball back and no touchback was awarded..
Uhh, the pro's don't play by NCAA rules.
I don't remember if there is an overcoming injury topic for teams. And I know UMHB had lots of injuries, but did any other playoff team have ten starters miss one or more complete games due to injury like CWRU?
Quote from: cwru70 on December 15, 2008, 09:49:13 PM
I don't remember if there is an overcoming injury topic for teams. And I know UMHB had lots of injuries, but did any other playoff team have ten starters miss one or more complete games due to injury like CWRU?
I think that UMHB lost 10 RBs' alone this season, nor counting the other positions! :D
From the ASC Board...
Quote from: Toby Taff on December 16, 2008, 06:25:13 AM
And on post-game review... The ball was not illegally touched. It hit at the 41. The Temple-daily Telegram has still shots from the game showing the kickoff and there's a Crusader player and an official standing between the 38 and 39 and the line judge standing on the 40 with the ball well in front of them.
http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2008/12/16/54432 (http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2008/12/16/54432)
The article has a bit of a bitter tone, and has Fredenburg calling for instant replay, but also has him saying that the big difference in the game was the superior physicality of the Warhawks. My favorite quote:
Quote"We have to judge everything on the physicality of our guys," he said. "If there was a smidgen of difference in the game, that's what it was. I would see our running backs and our quarterbacks getting really hit. We tackled, but they really punished you.
Here are the images showing the ball hitting on the UMHB 41-yd line. The Temple Daily Telegram captions are noted in the quotes. Going to the original article will allow one to "click" on the photos to enlarge them. Here is the link.
http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2008/12/16/54432
(Images and links are valid as of time and date of this posting.)
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QuoteSpecial to the Telegram Still-frame photographs from the game film of Mary Hardin-Baylor's national semifinal against Wisconsin-Whitewater shows the second-half kickoff falling from the sky.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tdtnews.com%2Fimg-small%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2F3809.jpg&hash=c8dc5cfe30d2e6bcf1c7986c9cb9dfb4acc871ef)
QuoteThe ball hit the ground at the UMHB 41-yard line.
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QuoteThen the ball bounced over a Crusaders' head. The officials incorrectly ruled that the ball hit at the 38 and was immediately touched by a UMHB player.
Needless to say, this game goes into the lore of D3football! :)
If I read your buddy headlinesman correctly, it doesn't matter since the ball did not stay 10 yards beyond the line.
QuoteApproved Ruling 2-11-1
I. Team A's untouched scrimmage kick strikes the ground in the field of
play and breaks the plane of Team B's goal line. While the ball is in
the air, A81, who is on the one-yard line, bats the ball into the field of
play. RULING: Violation. Team B's option: touchback or possession
of the ball where declared dead (Exception: Rule 8-4-2-b).
I think you need to bring in the best officials to figure this out...quick somebody put in a call to San Antonio for the refs who work Trinity games... :D
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 16, 2008, 07:17:59 PM
If I read your buddy headlinesman correctly, it doesn't matter since the ball did not stay 10 yards beyond the line.
I think the remaining beyond has to do with the ball before it touches the ground. A Team A player can catch the ball beyond 10 yards and retain possession even if the ball has not touched a player or the ground. Once the ball touches beyond 10 yards, the ball is live and the team that covers gets it.
Sorry I didn't quote the whole rule before.
Touching and Recovery of a Free Kick
ARTICLE 3. a. No Team A player may touch a free-kicked ball until after:
1. It touches a Team B player (Exception: Rules 6-1-4 and 6-5-1-b);
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B's restraining line
(Exception: Rule 6-4-1) (A.R. 2-11-2-I); or
3. It touches any player, the ground, an official or anything beyond Team B's
restraining line.
Thereafter, all players of Team A become eligible to touch, recover or catch the
kick.
2 is what the ruling was based upon. 3 is the ruling it seems should have been made based on photo showing the ball touching the ground at the 41.
Well,
I am lost ... at least as to where to include this in the YIR and what to make of it.
Eric Drennan (Kickoff '08 contributor BTW) did a pretty good examination of it (mentioned above) in the Temple Daily Telegram, except for the editorializing in the lead.
("UMHB got hosed" -- I suppose one could argue this is true, but if it would have come to me like that, as an editor, I would let the reader get the facts and make up his or her own mind whether it was "hosed," an "honest mistake" or as is being argued on this board, the correct interpretation of the rule.)
UMHB's video dept. was kind enough to send their video. Haven't had time to watch yet, but if there's anything on it that will help, I will see if I can get it posted.
OK, nobody notice anything else cool that happened ... research is officially complete. :)
Friday I think.
Pretend like you're on the edges of your seats, thanks.
Quote from: K-Mack on December 17, 2008, 06:14:58 PM
OK, nobody notice anything else cool that happened ... research is officially complete. :)
Friday I think.
Pretend like you're on the edges of your seats, thanks.
Year in review coming out before the Stagg Bowl!
NO WAY!!!
:D
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2008, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on December 17, 2008, 06:14:58 PM
OK, nobody notice anything else cool that happened ... research is officially complete. :)
Friday I think.
Pretend like you're on the edges of your seats, thanks.
Year in review coming out before the Stagg Bowl!
NO WAY!!!
:D
Well, the season IS 1,239/1,240ths over.
But there is a second installment coming by the end of the year, which will include Stagg Bowl stuff. No way am I ignoring it!
I just can't drag it into January this year. I feel extra-compelled to keep 2008 in 2008.
We shall see.