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     It's altogether to early to really concentrate on the Bell. There are conference games to be played yet, which (hopefully not) might result in injuries. Bash's opponent doesn't appear to be threatening, but DPU has Rhodes which might give anyone a game. A week hence we can see what Wes and the others have to say about the #2 team in d3.

How about "overrated" ?

Quote from: wab64 on November 04, 2008, 11:05:05 PM
A week hence we can see what Wes and the others have to say about the #2 team in d3.

Not sure why North Central is relevant here. :)

Quote from: Fripp52 on November 06, 2008, 08:26:18 PM
How about "overrated" ?

Maybe, maybe not.  Either way, "overrated" is probably still preferable to "not rated at all".   ;)

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2008, 09:51:09 PM

Quote from: wab64 on November 04, 2008, 11:05:05 PM
A week hence we can see what Wes and the others have to say about the #2 team in d3.

Not sure why North Central is relevant here. :)

Ding, ding - we have our winner for the first day of 'Monon Bell'. :D

Alright Dannies.  We're now even on last second miracles.  We had the tip-pass in `01, you've got your field goal from last year (and might I add, I hope that kid got laid on campus that night...I don't know how he couldn't have).  This year we've got a kicking game (or at least more so than historically) so I hope you've been working on your last second crazy plays.  I wanna see some fireworks.  Well, fireworks immediately followed by your dejected faces.

(insert general Wabash insult here - i.e. blah blah blah you don't have any chicks at your school blah blah blah stereotypically we're all significantly richer than any of you due mainly to our parents being inherently wealthy blah blah blah I go to many parties in J. Crew apparel with hot sorority girls because I don't care about football as much as you do blah blah blah etc etc so on and so forth)

That feels better.  Just had to get that off my chest.  Felt like the right way to get this thread started this year.

QuoteAlright Dannies.  We're now even on last second miracles.  We had the tip-pass in `01, you've got your field goal from last year (and might I add, I hope that kid got laid on campus that night...I don't know how he couldn't have).  This year we've got a kicking game (or at least more so than historically) so I hope you've been working on your last second crazy plays.  I wanna see some fireworks.  Well, fireworks immediately followed by your dejected faces.

Can't put last year's game into the last second miracles category...nothing about that was a weird bounce, ricochet, triple lateral or fluke. The Tigers drove the ball into position for a FG and the kid nailed a 47 yarder down the middle that would have been good from 55. It was an amazing finish...but in my view certainly not in the lucky category...although I do agree with you about the laid part... :o

I'm still waiting for Havercamp to make another one like that.  It was lucky.  Almost every 47-yard field goal at this level is lucky, let alone one from a guy who had never played a down of college football in his life in the biggest game of the year with the game on the line. 

Don't take that the wrong way...points scored thanks to a little bit of luck count just as much as any other points scored.  All I'm saying is that if we have to have a game that depends on your kicker (or any D-III kicker for that matter) making a 47-yard field goal to win, I'm taking that chance 100 times out of 100.  Sure, some of those are going to go through, but I'm going to win that game more than I'm going to lose it. 

QuoteI'm still waiting for Havercamp to make another one like that.  It was lucky.  Almost every 47-yard field goal at this level is lucky, let alone one from a guy who had never played a down of college football in his life in the biggest game of the year with the game on the line. 

Don't take that the wrong way...points scored thanks to a little bit of luck count just as much as any other points scored.  All I'm saying is that if we have to have a game that depends on your kicker (or any D-III kicker for that matter) making a 47-yard field goal to win, I'm taking that chance 100 times out of 100.  Sure, some of those are going to go through, but I'm going to win that game more than I'm going to lose it. 

The kid's got a great leg...and he has a 45 yarder among his 8-11 FG performance this year. The kid made a huge play and has demonstrated that he has some ability. Guess it depends on your definition of luck. As in Wabash was lucky it even came down to a last second field goal.  :)

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 07, 2008, 01:16:59 PM
Guess it depends on your definition of luck. As in Wabash was lucky it even came down to a last second field goal.  :)

I won't refute that...Wabash was definitely fortunate to be in a position to have an overtime session.  As has been said ad nauseum since last year, the Tigers just played a way better game than the LGs did last time around. 

QuoteI won't refute that...Wabash was definitely fortunate to be in a position to have an overtime session.  As has been said ad nauseum since last year, the Tigers just played a way better game than the LGs did last time around. 

Got it...and I don't disagree with that finish being in the amazing category--kid's wearing a duplicate jersey and jogs on the field for his first attempt---crazy. I thnk most DePauw fans are hoping the Tigers will be in the game that late this year...promises to be an incredible challenge for sure...

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2008, 09:51:09 PM

Quote from: wab64 on November 04, 2008, 11:05:05 PM
A week hence we can see what Wes and the others have to say about the #2 team in d3.

Not sure why North Central is relevant here. :)

I don't know if you know this, Pat, but there IS another poll. You can't blame me for quoting the one that makes Bash mobetta. I must confess that the coaches come up with some quirky results. ?Assuming, for the sake of argument, that it is Coach Kehres with the "missing first place vote", you have to admire his honesty for not giving it to his nephew.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 07, 2008, 12:40:35 PM
Almost every 47-yard field goal at this level is lucky, let alone one from a guy who had never played a down of college football in his life in the biggest game of the year with the game on the line. 

That's not entirely true - the kid did blow an extra point on Marks' first TD early in the third quarter, so it wasn't even the first down of his Monon Bell career.  ;)

You Wabash folks are likely to disagree, but I don't believe I'm going to see a better game in my life than that Bell game last year.  Marks was absolutely superhuman, and Pynenberg was every bit as good. Two of the best ever to play for their schools putting up performances for the ages in their final game. Add that to the great plays (Pynenberg's hit on Claxton, Mulligan stretching for a fourth-down conversion on the game tying drive, and of course, The Kick - and that's just a few) and the Bell will be hard pressed to live up to last year for as long as there are Bell games.

Of course, I thought that same thing about the 05 game, which in my four years was the most even matchup on paper and was a lively slugfest. So I'm fully prepared for this year's game to end on a missed field goal returned 109 yards for a game winning touchdown.

If I didn't have state championship football in Wyoming to broadcast, I swear I'd be jumping on I-90 on Friday afternoon and not stopping until kickoff in Crawfordsville. Alas, the HDNet broadcast (and WGRE's audio, natch) will have to suffice.

Again, you won't get disagreement from this Wally, Lefty.  The result was disappointing last year, but the 114th edition of our game may have been the best all around game that I've seen in the rivalry (which for me goes back to 1996).  2005 is pretty close. 

Agree with last year's game being pretty damn good, win or lose.  I cannot comment on the others as I did not see them.  Just getting back into this rivalry as of last year.  I played in the 83 game which was pretty good.  Anyway, hope this game is just as good.  Good luck to both teams.  The key to this game is one thing - DePauw's defense.  If they cannot stop Wabash, it will be a shootout and I suggest Wabash wins.  DePauw goes into a lull offensively in the second quarter and sometimes parts of the third quarter.  By the time they wake up, if DePauw's defense cannot stop Wabash, it may be over.  Or coming from behind may be too hard.  DePauw will score.  Can their defense stop Wabash more often than not ?  Stop by our tailgate.  We will be parking on Friday night somewhere close.  Start serving between 8 and 9.

I really loved the 2004 game.  Although, I'm partial to defensive slugfests.  Just two teams hitting each other right in the mouth for 60 minutes.  I'm probably also partial to it because I had the honor of being a part of it.

2001 was of course a great one.  Yeah, the Short to Casper tip and all that, but that was a terrific second half leading up to that final play. 

I also vividly remember the Ice Bowl in 95.  Can't remember if it was on TV that year or not.  I was only a youngster, 11 or 12 at the time.  We might have left the house in that awful weather to try to find a place to watch it.  Do remember watching that one from somewhere, though.

Fripp52 - "overrated" - I love it.  We'll see won't we?  Please keep that up all week...please!

I'll go on record to say...this may be the best O-line we have ever had...
I'll go on record to say...this may be the best D-line we have ever had...

Key to the game...my opinion, CAN WABASH RUN THE BALL VS THE DEPAUW D?  Here's a clue, if we can, you are in for a long day brother.  If I were you, throw 8 in the box and see if you can stop us.

I know, I know......"but we play Millsaps so we are tougher then you think" - (like that matters?) even though we have NEVER beaten Trinity in something like 12 years....but, you are right, you play Millsaps.  That should help this Saturday.

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS! 

5 P.M. Saturday night - overall series...November 15, 2008...Wabash 54, DePauw 52, 9 ties

WallyWabash sets the line on the official NCAC pick'em page at Wabash -13.5...

Hmmmm.

It just never gets old.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhKtrOYJcB0

This is a great revision from 2007.

Hearing the Bell ring is enough to get anyone interested up for the game .   Gonna be a long week.

Here's a quick stats table comparing the two teams through 9 games...I've bolded the numbers where one team has a distinct advantage. 

		Wabash		Wabash Opp		DePauw		DePauw Opp
Points	|	411	|	107	|	278	|	246
Pointspergame	|	45.7	|	11.9	|	30.9	|	27.3
FirstDowns	|	215	|	125	|	183	|	182
RushYPG	|	208.1	|	79.9	|	102.8	|	144.9
RushYPC	|	5.0	|	2.7	|	2.9	|	3.9
TDsRushing	|	28	|	4	|	13	|	12
PassYards	|	2409	|	1474	|	2743	|	1976
Att-Comp-Int	|	243-165-6	|	291-144-15	|	327-216-12	|	307-175-10
TotalOffense	|	4282	|	2193	|	3668	|	3280
KickReturnAvg	|	27.8	|	19.0	|	17.7	|	21.5
PuntRetrunAvg	|	6.6	|	6.3	|	7.7	|	4.7
Fumbles-Lost	|	13-8	|	21-6	|	17-12	|	18-12
Penalties-Yards	|	71-578	|	56-498	|	69-627	|	60-563
Punts-Yards	|	23-805	|	56-2034	|	38-1327	|	39-1391
TOP	|	31:25	|	28:25	|	29:10	|	24:10
3rdDownPct.	|	51%	|	28%	|	42%	|	41%
4thDownPct.	|	54%	|	39%	|	57%	|	52%
Sacks-Yards	|	18-114	|	5-24	|	14-103	|	12-61
TDsScored	|	57	|	15	|	37	|	35
RedZone	|	45-52	|	16-23	|	28-36	|	21-38
1stQPoints	|	92	|	10	|	51	|	45
2ndQPoints	|	138	|	39	|	99	|	83
3rdQPoints	|	95	|	10	|	66	|	43
4thQPoints	|	86	|	48	|	59	|	75

Wow.  If you're a DePauw fan, it's a damn good thing that these games aren't played on paper. 

Been quite a few years since DePauw entered this game with a more potent passing attack than the LG's.  Probably back to the Jeff McMartin era.  It is a considerably more balanced LG offense from years past, though.

Offenses are pretty close.  You're talking about 60 yards per game difference or so.  Defenses aren't close, but I think the DePauw D, like last year, has improved some over the past couple of weeks.  Lot of folks threw that unit under the bus before last year's game and they held strong.

I think DePauw's offense is the best group that the LG's will see in the regular season.  No other NCAC team is in the Top 50 in scoring, with DePauw coming in somewhere in the mid 40's.  I still give the LG's a pretty big checkmark on the defensive side.

Wes - did you look at the numbers Wally posted?  Bro, dunk your head in a bucket of ice water, emerge, then re-group....are you serious...try it 1 more time!

I think DPU is in serious trouble............

WAF!

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 09, 2008, 09:12:18 PM
Been quite a few years since DePauw entered this game with a more potent passing attack than the LG's...

May want to rethink the wording of "more potent," Wes.  Granted, as a simple science type, I haven't adequate command of language, but 84 more attempts and 51 more completions for 332 yds (both below the 8.4 yds per attempt and 12.7 yds per completion) to yield 6 more interceptions and 2 fewer touchdowns doesn't equate to 1) physically powerful, 2) having great authority, or 3) capable of influencing greatly; very convincing according to my "Funk and Wagnalls".

Granted Spud, Mulligan, and company are extremely competent and GOK tough competitors, but don't believe them to be more potent, much less lethal than the Men in Red in that department. ;) Now, back in my era of Don van Duerson and Max Urick - maybe so...  :D

BTW, WAF! and DePauw Swallows  ;D

Chill out, dude.  It's only Sunday.  Save that crap for at least Thursday.  Going to be a LONG week if you're going to talk me like that for the next 5 days.

I do think it's going to be an uphill battle.  No doubt about it.  The best counter for the good Wabash offense is DePauw's own offense.  This system is so West Coast-y (for lack of a better term) that they can put together 10 and 11 play drives that chew up 5 and 6 minutes.  I posted about the system in the SCAC thread on Saturday night.  They've got to stay on the field.  Wabash is probably going to get theirs, DePauw just has to match 'em enough to keep it close until late.

DePauw HAS to win the TOP by a wide margin on Saturday.  They just have to.  If Hudson is on the field, that ain't good news.  This DePauw offense can and will score points on the Hard Hats on Saturday.  They have had a great year, but the best offense they've faced is the 69th ranked Wittenberg offense.  I do think DePauw can move the fooball.  That's not the issue for me.  Hasn't been for that group on 8 of the 9 Saturday's so far this season.  Particularly on Saturday against an exceptional Rhodes defense.  Question is whether or not that DPU defense can keep the team within earshot.

I think it's got to be last year for DePauw to win.  Keep it close until late and hope you get a break or two to go DePauw's way.  Hudson hasn't made a lot of mistakes this year, but maybe they can coax one out of him. 

Don't think there's much of a chance of DePauw winning this thing going away.  Wabash is probably going to score more than 17, but DePauw can score more than 20.  Ideally, I think it can't get much more than 30 or so for DePauw to have a real good shot at it.

Quote from: cave2bens on November 09, 2008, 10:04:46 PM

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 09, 2008, 09:12:18 PM
Been quite a few years since DePauw entered this game with a more potent passing attack than the LG's...

May want to rethink the wording of "more potent," Wes. 

It's been a quite a few years since DePauw entered this passing game WITH MORE TOTAL PASSING YARDS THAN WABASH. 

You knew what I meant.  You guys know me well enough to know that I'm far from an English major.  In fact, Putnam County is a language of it's own.  Give me a break, will ya?

Can't even say that right.

Screw you guys.  I'm going home. 

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I was actually a little bit surprised to see that DPU had more passing yards on the year than Wabash does.  But then again, Wabash, in this new bizarro era of Wabash offensive football, runs the ball to the tune of 200+ yards per game.  The LGs have been running like crazy all year (save the Witt game) and in 2 months of watching I'm still not quite used to it. 

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2008, 11:02:47 PM
I was actually a little bit surprised to see that DPU had more passing yards on the year than Wabash does. 

ER's more balanced philosophy and the main reason, as you know,  is that we have pretty much shut it down and ran the ball after half in 5 of our 9 games.  Saturday, I was a little surprised that Wabash didn't even throw 1 pass in the 2nd half.

Depauw has been in a few more 4th qtr. dog fights and doesn't have Marks in the backfield this year.

I hope that Sobecki gets lots of touches on Saturday. He has looked stronger and stronger as the season has gone on. I was puzzled why he didn't get more carried in the Witt game as his one long carry accounted for most of our rushing yards. Nothing against Kimp and Yoder...they've been great. I just think for this game and in this weather...Evan may have a break out game.

About the passing game...the first team O has only played half of the last two games...and since we were so far ahead...the second/third teams just ran the ball. A nice problem to have.

Wabash Always Fights!!!

Smitten and umbrella-thwacked across the nose like a bad puppy - in 30 seconds!  :o
Duly chastised and unrepentent, my cursory apologies for offending sensitivities, Wes.  For some of the era of painted columns, heists, no playoffs, and mixed results afield, it is Thursday ALL week! 

"Nitpicky?" Though located south of the Mason-Dixon, rest assured there are no lice on this head - not enough hair for potential colonization.  ;D

Quote from "Wabash '71" - with the infamous "Fire in the Lake" cover

"1st and ten:  Vandy picks up three; 2nd and seven:  Garby picks up three more;
  Three yards and a cloud of dust - Chuck Johnston ... PUNT"

Season of promise ends at 3-3-2, with a 14-13 loss to Mont and DePauw at home. ???

Saturday marks the 40th Bell game of interest, since the 1968 edition attended in C'ville as a potential Wally, and a band fill-in for Fred Eisenbach!  So, DePauw to Hell, Let's Get the Bell.  ;)

I think it's entirely a waste of time to speculate as to the outcome of the Bell game on Saturday. As anyone who has followed the series well knows, the first nine games of the season can be thrown out the window. However, I think the key to a Wabash win will be a good running game: keep the DPU O off the field.

Let's go Wabash!

Quote from: Sturdybeggar on November 10, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
I think it's entirely a waste of time to speculate as to the outcome of the Bell game on Saturday. As anyone who has followed the series well knows, the first nine games of the season can be thrown out the window.

What would we talk about all week if we didn't speculate as to how severe the beatdown Wabash is going to put on DePauw on Saturday?   ???

;D

Welcome to Monon week. This is the best time of the year. Can't wait for Saturday.

Depauw Never Quits.

Sorry to beleagur the board with such a mundane item, but I have one extra ticket to the titanic struggle in C'ville this Saturday. If you want it let me know by emailing me, and we can make arrangements. Only want face value.

On old man like me should know how to spell beleaguer.

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Cave,
Yes...for some of us old codgers...it's ALWAYS Thursday/Friday of Bell week. Yes...the days of painted columns...or...grass/weed killer heavily applied to Blackstock a couple of weeks before the game...so the large W in the middle of the field shows up in time for game day....not that I would know anything of the above activities.  But I digress.

DPU has been cracking on the strength of their schedule verses Wabash's. Just a couple of comments. True...Wabash did not play anyone of the caliber of Millsaps this year. But Trinity being such a powerhouse?..c'mon...they get beat by Centre. Also, few outside the Wabash/Witt game understand the intensity and rivalry that game has become. In my day...we had the DPU game for the ultimate game. Now, Wabash has two games a season that are rivalry quality....though I would hope that the DPU game would still take priority.  So, while Witt may not have had a normally great year...when playing them on their field...it's a dog fight...a "throw out the records" type of game. And...too...which was so impressive about Wabash's win there this year...Wabash turns it over 5 times...and still wins.
I know ER will approach this game like any other...but with he and the offensive coordinator being in their first year at Wabash...I wonder what game day will be like for them?

MONKEY STOMP   MONKEY STOMP   MONKEY STOMP the umbrella carriers

Sturdy,
I agree with about talking about the outcome of the game...but as you mentioned...discussing the keys to the game seems like good conversation....as well as the inherent superiority of Wabash men when it comes to the affections of DPU women.

QuoteDPU has been cracking on the strength of their schedule verses Wabash's. Just a couple of comments. True...Wabash did not play anyone of the caliber of Millsaps this year. But Trinity being such a powerhouse?..c'mon...they get beat by Centre.

You're actually making the case for a much, much tougher schedule in the SCAC. It's about much more than Millsaps. What's wrong with Centre? They're a respectable 6-3 and beat Rhodes on the road as well. Centre's win over Trinity, while surprising, is evidence that the Colonels, especially in Danville, can play some football. Austin, a bottom feeder in recent years, is playing good football. BSC, playing at home, put up 49 on Sewanee this week, etc. You're not going to win this one with anyone not wearing red and white colored glasses.  ;D         

I think the biggest key for Wabash is to not turn the ball over.  With an even turnover margin, despite Mr. Anderson's supreme confidence that his Tigers are going to score a multitude of points on the LG defense, I can't see DePauw being able to match the LGs drive for drive.  

I think the point about Centre/Trinity is that, with apologies to Dennis Green, they are not who you thought they were.  Centre might not be terrible, but Centre certainly isn't in the same tier as Trinity...or so we thought.  Trinity probably isn't as good as you'd like to believe.  You want to get a pass for losing to Trinity every year.  Wrong.  You don't get to lose that game every year and say "that doesn't really count...they're Trinity".  Trinity is beatable.  The only teams that get a pass for getting routinely squashed by one team are those that play Mount Union.  Other than that, you don't get a pass. 

Rankings, strength of schedule etc are all pretty meaningless come Saturday.  I anticipate that it will be another exciting Bell Game.  I have no doubt that the Little Giants will be watching last year's game a few times this week to remind themselves what happens when you take the your eyes off the prize.  This year the seedings will be critical. The playoffs will be all the sweeter with the Bell ringing at Hollett to signal two or more home victories.  Oh, by the way, what will Depauw being doing next Saturday November 15th?  NOTHING.

QuoteI think the point about Centre/Trinity is that, with apologies to Dennis Green, they are not who you thought they were.  Centre might not be terrible, but Centre certainly isn't in the same tier as Trinity...

Might not be terrible? Brilliant analysis.. ??? 

QuoteTrinity probably isn't as good as you'd like to believe.  You want to get a pass for losing to Trinity every year.  Wrong.  You don't get to lose that game every year and say "that doesn't really count...they're Trinity".  Trinity is beatable. 

Who is "you"? Who wants a "pass" for losing to Trinity every year? Of course Trinity is beatable.  The point of the earlier post had to do not with Millsaps or Trinity but the conference as a whole...

I do agree with you, however, that DePauw does not want to be in the position of needing to match Wabash score for score Saturday...I'll be interested to see what the LG's running game looks like...

Quote from: firstdown on November 10, 2008, 01:44:32 PM
Oh, by the way, what will Depauw being doing next Saturday November 15th?  NOTHING.

Good luck with that by the way.  Haven't mentioned that.  That was kind of a dick thing for you to say, but I do sincerely mean my well wishes.  Pulling for you guys and for Trine next week.  Really think you guys can continue to do a lot to imrpove's Indiana image on the D3 radar. 

You guys really need this win to push Mount and NCC further out in the bracket, assuming that all 3 of you stay in the North.  Even if you don't, think you'd rather be the 2 in the North than the 4 or the 5 if you lose on Saturday.

Quote from: firstdown on November 10, 2008, 01:44:32 PM
Oh, by the way, what will Depauw being doing next Saturday November 15th?  NOTHING.

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but did that make it OK to lose last year?

Quotewhat will Depauw being doing next Saturday November 15th?  NOTHING.

Really? Don't know about Wabash, but DePauw will be playing some tackle football on November 15.  ??? :o ;D

D3_DPUFan - I didn't think you Depauw types could count!  ;D

Seriously, it should be a good game.  If Depauw can develop a running game and use an attack similar to Wooster, then it could be very interesting.  Otherwise, the Little Giant D will make Spud's day less than enjoyable.

Weather for Saturday looks a bit iffy. 

QuoteSeriously, it should be a good game.  If Depauw can develop a running game and use an attack similar to Wooster, then it could be very interesting.  Otherwise, the Little Giant D will make Spud's day less than enjoyable. 

DePauw has finally gotten their running backs healthy...Jon Ellis has been running well the past couple of weeks...but is a freshman playing in his first Bell game.

A question and a comment:

Question ... what is the best / most accurate weather report for Saturday?

Guys:  Trine is the meat of this year's North bracket playoffs, like drawing a pass to the next game.  The every year Hope, if you will, of the playoffs.  Roars through the MIAA (if one truly roars through the MIAA) and then coughs up blood.  There are some good schools there:  Hope, Albion, K College ... but  somehow they have lost their football talent.  They like to complain about the big ole bad Grand Valley taking their athletes.  That is bogus ... big ole bad Wabash takes a number of talented people from Michigan as well - as I am sure - do others.  Their problems are due to aging/sedentary coaches and of course K College thinks tennis is football.  I look for Trine to be the romper through MIAA for a while into the future.

QuoteQuestion ... what is the best / most accurate weather report for Saturday?

I tend to like weather.com...but don't really pay close attention until Wednesday. Locally in Indianapolis, Channel's 6, 8, 13 and 59 all have competent people who I think tend to be hit and miss... 8)

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 10, 2008, 03:34:52 PM

QuoteSeriously, it should be a good game.  If Depauw can develop a running game and use an attack similar to Wooster, then it could be very interesting.  Otherwise, the Little Giant D will make Spud's day less than enjoyable. 

DePauw has finally gotten their running backs healthy...Jon Ellis has been running well the past couple of weeks...but is a freshman playing in his first Bell game.

Having never seen one single down of football that involves Jon Ellis, I feel 100% comfortable in saying that you sir, John Ellis, are no Jeremiah Marks. 

Healthy backs or not, there's nothing in that department that is as potent as what Marks brought to the game last year. 

QuoteHaving never seen one single down of football that involves Jon Ellis, I feel 100% comfortable in saying that you sir, John Ellis, are no Jeremiah Marks. 

Your analysis continues to be stellar.
Sincerely,
Mr. Obvious
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Jon Ellis                  6  119  455   25  430   3.6   5   18  71.7


Wow.

Thanks DPUF for weather lead.  It is going to be clod, rainy and purly Sh***& up here in Michigan.  Was hoping for some 5 hour south hope for better weather.  Reminded of the announcer at the 500 ... as it rains and you run out of beer in the stands ... announcing that is is "clearing up over Terry Hote" (phonetic).

Great stat line from Ellis.  I'm sure Coach Gilbert is pulling his hair out this week trying to figure out how he's not going to let that guy beat him. 

He's not going to beat them.  That hasn't been the plan at any point this season.  I don't understand why that's not abundantly clear.

There's a reason DePauw's thrown for 4000 yards, but feel free to ignore that at your own leisure.  Ellis probably won't win or lose this football game.  Spud probably will.

Wabco,

Well...the forecast for Saturday is somewhat rotten...but who knows...weather people have the greatest jobs...they can be wrong  75% of the time and still be employed...so we'll see.

Well...I'm glad to see that DPU at least HAS a running back. But all kidding aside, that Marks kid was a stud. I just hope Ellis is no comparison.

I would imagine our running backs individually don't have great stats either...but that's because they are the three headed monster. Put one in, take one out, put another in...all different styles but all three get the job done. Just out of curiosity...D3, Wes and anyone else from DPU...how is your run defense at dear old DPU?

Weather this time a year can change drastically, (UW-W mess)  When I got on the plane in Florida last year the forecast was for a 20% chance of snow in Whitewater.  Many of us know how that tuned out.)

But here is what I am seeing for C-Ville, as of today.
   
Saturday

Colder. Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain and snow. Highs around 40.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 10, 2008, 04:50:42 PM
He's not going to beat them.  That hasn't been the plan at any point this season.  I don't understand why that's not abundantly clear.

There's a reason DePauw's thrown for 4000 yards, but feel free to ignore that at your own leisure.  Ellis probably won't win or lose this football game.  Spud probably will.

I think it's on DePauw's defense.  There's only so much Dick can do.  The Tiger defense will need to play a very good game.  Stop the run, force some turnovers...that's the key.

DePauw's rush D:  They give up 144.9 yards per game & 3.9 yards per carry...BUT they played Millsaps (kind of)   ;D

QuoteGreat stat line from Ellis.  I'm sure Coach Gilbert is pulling his hair out this week trying to figure out how he's not going to let that guy beat him.  

Why are some of you guys (not all) so insecure? You're making fun of Ellis' stat line? Come on, man...that's high school stuff. What stats have the Wabash backs put up against a schedule full of weak sisters? The only competitive game you had this year was against an injury-riddled Witt team...how many yards did you grind out in that one?  ;)

Back to a more mature level of discourse...regarding the DPU rush D, wabco...it started out very strong...then became a bit of a concern in the middle of the season...has looked much better the past couple of weeks, including against a good rushing team in Austin...part of it, I think, is they've been banged up...the Tigers will obviously need to play their best game of the season defensively Saturday to be in the game...

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 10, 2008, 03:00:02 PM

Quote from: firstdown on November 10, 2008, 01:44:32 PM

Good luck with that by the way.  Haven't mentioned that.  That was kind of a dick thing for you to say, but I do sincerely mean my well wishes. 

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 10, 2008, 04:50:42 PM
He's not going to beat them.  That hasn't been the plan at any point this season.  I don't understand why that's not abundantly clear.

There's a reason DePauw's thrown for 4000 yards, but feel free to ignore that at your own leisure.  Ellis probably won't win or lose this football game.  Spud probably will.

ok...i'm confused. from a danny perspective is dick good or bad?

Bashbro...As long as it doesn't rain/snow/sleet, I think we'll be ok. Are you making the trek up from Florida...or are you waiting for playoff time to come?

I agree Wally...I think it'll be whichever D steps up to the plate is who will win. What I like about the Little Giants is the fact that we are not one dimensional. Hudson's numbers are down for passing this year...because we actually run the ball. However, when we do put it up...I'll take Hudson over most anyone...including Dick. And those DPU boys will have their hands full with our receivers, should we decide to throw. It's going to be a lot of fun Saturday in C'ville.
Wes...too bad you aren't going to be there.

Yikes, the Dannies gave up 296 yards to Austin College.  243 to Colorado College...

J-MO & Co. will be ready to roll.  He has had a great senior season.

I hope its a nice day for football but if its a factor to the passing game, I think that is another big obstacle for DePauw.

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 10, 2008, 05:10:49 PM
What stats have the Wabash backs put up against a schedule full of weak sisters?

You mean the four backs who average 5.1, 4.6, 7.4, and 6.4 yards per rush? The four backs who have 1600 yards and 24 touchdowns? You mean those four backs. That backfield. You mean them.

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Hello there little fella! Let's Dance.

J-MO

Maybe one of the best to ever play the position at Wabash.

(Another Great shot from the Wabash SID Dept.)

QuoteYou mean the four backs who average 5.1, 4.6, 7.4, and 6.4 yards per rush? The four backs who have 1600 yards and 24 touchdowns? You mean those four backs. That backfield. You mean them.

Didn't mean to send you scrambling to the website for stats to validate...  :D

I hope your d-line's that clever and quick witted.

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 10, 2008, 05:37:42 PM

QuoteYou mean the four backs who average 5.1, 4.6, 7.4, and 6.4 yards per rush? The four backs who have 1600 yards and 24 touchdowns? You mean those four backs. That backfield. You mean them.

Didn't mean to send you scrambling to the website for stats to validate...  :D

Don't worry about it, DPUFan, every year the Wabash folks have a variation on the theme: "Hey, we can really run the ball this year! No, seriously!" And hey, maybe this year they've got a bit more of a case, but every year it's Harbaugh/Huff/Hudson chucking it 30 times. And really, against a DPU secondary that was highly suspect against the two best QBs they saw this year, that would be the best move for them.

I'll say this: you are more likely to see a "Saved by Zero" ad on the HDNet broadcast of the game than a 100+ yard day on the ground for the Wallies.

That's right... you can say whatever you want, but I got the "Saved By Zero" song in your head for the rest of the day, and it's really gonna piss you off. Suck it.  ;)

I think the matter of the Wabash offensive line is one that deserves some attention.  I know that quarterbacks and running backs almost always deflect much of the praise they get and pass it on to their blockers as the real reason for their success...and do a degree that's fair, but sometimes I think it's overdone.  This year more than any year that I can remember, the OL for the Little Giants have been quite obviously THE difference.  I'd vote for that group as the NCAC OPOY because I don't think anybody has been better on that side of the ball. 

Here's some numbers...Allegheny was the #8 rushing defense in the nation coming into their game vs. Wabash.  Whoopsie...Wabash runs for 239 yards.  Against Wooster who came in with the 33rd ranked rush defense in the nation Wabash posts another 239.  So say what you will about running on bad teams....Wabash has put up huge numbers on some pretty good defenses as well. 

Wabash has rushed for at least 200 yards in six of their last seven games.  It's not an anomaly anymore...it's an identity. 

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 10, 2008, 05:55:20 PM

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 10, 2008, 05:37:42 PM

QuoteYou mean the four backs who average 5.1, 4.6, 7.4, and 6.4 yards per rush? The four backs who have 1600 yards and 24 touchdowns? You mean those four backs. That backfield. You mean them.

Didn't mean to send you scrambling to the website for stats to validate...  :D

Don't worry about it, DPUFan, every year the Wabash folks have a variation on the theme: "Hey, we can really run the ball this year! No, seriously!" And hey, maybe this year they've got a bit more of a case, but every year it's Harbaugh/Huff/Hudson chucking it 30 times. And really, against a DPU secondary that was highly suspect against the two best QBs they saw this year, that would be the best move for them.

I'll say this: you are more likely to see a "Saved by Zero" ad on the HDNet broadcast of the game than a 100+ yard day on the ground for the Wallies.

That's right... you can say whatever you want, but I got the "Saved By Zero" song in your head for the rest of the day, and it's really gonna piss you off. Suck it.  ;)

It is different this year.  Hudson hasn't thrown 30 times in a game in a month.  In fact, he hasn't thrown 20 times in a game in a month.  I'll go ahead and say now that if Hudson throws 30 times on Saturday, that's probably a GOOD thing for DePauw...of course, that could also come straight from the "be careful what you wish for" file. 

And I watched the NFL all day yesterday...that stupid saved by zero jingle has been embedded in my brain for well over 24 hours now.  ;)

QuoteDon't worry about it, DPUFan, every year the Wabash folks have a variation on the theme: "Hey, we can really run the ball this year! No, seriously!" And hey, maybe this year they've got a bit more of a case, but every year it's Harbaugh/Huff/Hudson chucking it 30 times. And really, against a DPU secondary that was highly suspect against the two best QBs they saw this year, that would be the best move for them.

I'll say this: you are more likely to see a "Saved by Zero" ad on the HDNet broadcast of the game than a 100+ yard day on the ground for the Wallies.

That's right... you can say whatever you want, but I got the "Saved By Zero" song in your head for the rest of the day, and it's really gonna piss you off. Suck it. 

;D ;D ;D

QuoteAnd I watched the NFL all day yesterday...that stupid saved by zero jingle has been embedded in my brain for well over 24 hours now. 

You too? ;D

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 10, 2008, 06:06:51 PM

QuoteAnd I watched the NFL all day yesterday...that stupid saved by zero jingle has been embedded in my brain for well over 24 hours now. 

You too? ;D

It's an epidemic!

Save us from 'Saved by Zero,' TV watchers complain (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gLHlYbnhuANpXVn0z3MntM1retcAD948UTAO0)

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2008, 05:01:43 PM
I think it's on DePauw's defense.  There's only so much Dick can do.  The Tiger defense will need to play a very good game.  Stop the run, force some turnovers...that's the key.

I agree.  Should have clarified that by saying "offensively".  Ellis isn't Marks and I think that front 5 is really hurting from the loss of Joeckel.  Running game just hasn't been there very much this year.  Kinda ironic, seems like these two teams have flipped offensive systems to a degree.  Wabash is now incredibly balanced and DePauw is leaning on the pass.

Spud's got to be great.  Not that much of a reach, because he's been great all season.  So has Hudson - they're both in the Top 25 in efficiency.  Spud broke the career passing record this week and he's only a junior.  

I'm not sure how much the weather is going to impact DePauw's passing, honestly.  A very, very high percentage of it is short dink-and-dunk stuff.  Have to be some really nasty weather to cause a problem with those.

Well..what's nice about the Little Giants this year is...if we have trouble on the ground...we WILL put it up...and for big yards. So...if that's DPU's weakness...then we'll look to exploit it. But...before the Wooster game...everyone told us how we couldn't run on them...and we ran all over them. So...we'll see.

I think the weather tends to be an overrated topic when it comes to football.  In 2006 Wabash was able to throw effectively against DePauw in bad weather and on an absolutely awful surface.  Wind more than anything else effects a passing game with respect to elements.  We'll have to wait until we get closer to gameday to know if we can expect high winds.  Wind played a HUGE factor in the 2005 game (remember CC burning timeouts at the end of the first quarter to force DPU to kick a field goal against the wind...which they missed....in a game that ended up being decided by 3 points). 

And speaking of the surface at Hollett...no need to worry about a repeat of the nonsense that happened in 2006.  Wabash's turf has looked as good as I can remember it looking this year.  And then when the game returns to C'ville in 2010 an artificial surface will be down so good sod vs. bad sod will never be an issue again. 

Quote from: WAF78 on November 10, 2008, 06:30:38 PM
But...before the Wooster game...everyone told us how we couldn't run on them...and we ran all over them. So...we'll see.

That is true.  Not sure I can recall Wabash rushing for more yards in a game in recent times.  But, then the Wittenberg game happened.  So, I ask, as a legitimate question, which is it?  Those two teams are fairly close in rushing defense (Witt 77 per, Woo 94 per).  Why do the LG's run for 240 on 50 carries against one, but only 33 on 20 in the other?  What was the magic solution that let them leave cleat marks on the backside of the Scots?

That point aside, I think that if Wabash is going to have success, it's going to be through the air.  That's been the problem for DePauw this year.  Millsaps threw it for 388.  Trinity threw it for 295.  Hasn't really been anybody that torched DePauw on the ground except Austin's stupid modified wing-t thingymajigger.  Maybe it's that doggoned weird formation, or maybe it's because that's the only team in our conference that will line up and run it right at you.  Millsaps and Trinity and everyone else are running the football from the spread.  Maybe that's a factor.  I just don't know, I guess.

Wittenberg was awesome on that particular Saturday.  They have very good players on defense, particularly their MLB Brad McKinley who is the best defensive player (probably by far) that Wabash will see in the regular season.  They absolutely brought it that day and Wabash really didn't.  Since that game Wabash is running for just over 289 yards per game.  I think the OL got their wake up call. 

Witt's front is very good and their LB's are nasty led by Brad McKinley (Zach Hurtt was really impressive too) who is an All American caliber of player.  Its been well documented that it was Witt's best D performance of the season.  At least that is my take on why we struggled to run the ball at Witt.

Bet you we see balance on Saturday for the Bash O and one will set up the other.  Sobecki, Kimp, and Yoder are running really hard and downhill and behind one of the better O-lines we have had in a long time.

Call Jon (see below) if interested...Thursday night is the Annual Monon Bell Stag, it is a great event and a lot of fun to see roasters from both schools take shots at one another. I would encourage you to attend...alums, former players, current parents, etc. Here is the invite:

The Indianapolis Association of Wabash Men
And
The Men of the DePauw Indianapolis Alumni
Invite You To The
Annual Monon Bell Stag
"The Traditional Celebration of the Monon Bell Experience"

Celebrating Our Schools' Shared Tradition In
The Best Small College Football Rivalry In The Galaxy

Thursday, November 13, 2008
The Marriott Hotel
350 West Maryland Street, Indianapolis

Cocktails at 5:45 P.M. and Dinner at 6:45 P.M.

Entertaining and Edifying Speakers (i.e., the Wabash speakers)

Greetings From Wabash President Pat White
Pregame Report by Jim Amidon '87
"Spirit of the Monon Bell" Awards Presented To Chris Braun W'81
And Mark Dinwiddie D'71
Wabash Roaster, David Timmerman, Professor of Rhetoric
DePauw Roaster, Mark Ford '71
Cost: $50.00 per person
$40.00 for Classes of 2004-2008

Make your reservation NOW. Please no walk-ins.
But please no later than November 10, 2008!
Questions? Contact Jon Pactor '71. See contact information below.

Please encourage others to attend.

Jon Pactor
One Indiana Square, Suite 2410
Indianapolis, IN 46204
Tel.: (317) 636-0686
e-mail: pactorlaw@iquest.net

This is just a hunch but look for Wabash to throw early to set up the run late.

All year we have been balanced and used the run to set up the pass.  I would not be surprised to see coach Raeburn mix it up this week knowing that Depauw is going to come out and try to shut down the run early.

Look for Wabash to loosen up the Defense with the pass probably some deep ones early to back the safties up and back up the linebackers then come back to the run to finish off the game.

Raeburn definitely has plenty of options.  I wouldn't be surprised to see what you're talking about.  I also wouldn't be surprised if ER comes out and runs 8 straight times right into the endzone not unlike the Wooster game.  Want to set a tone that you are not and will not be as physical as we are?  That's how you do it...Wooster got shoved around all game by the Wabash OL and it started from the first snap. 

QuoteI think the weather tends to be an overrated topic when it comes to football.  In 2006 Wabash was able to throw effectively against DePauw in bad weather and on an absolutely awful surface.  Wind more than anything else effects a passing game with respect to elements. 

Absolutely...wind is a much bigger factor than rain in the passing game. Hopefully we'll have neither Saturday :)...

QuoteAnd speaking of the surface at Hollett...no need to worry about a repeat of the nonsense that happened in 2006.  Wabash's turf has looked as good as I can remember it looking this year.  And then when the game returns to C'ville in 2010 an artificial surface will be down so good sod vs. bad sod will never be an issue again.

Good! As you suggest the field was ridiculous two years ago.

Anyone have a read on ticket sales?

If you have a minute or two...go over to the East Region board and read the posts for the 2008 Cortaca Jug. Funny stuff.

D3...have no idea on the ticket sales....but it'll be a good crowd for sure. The biggest hazard of the day for many Wabash fans will be the last minute rush from the tailgate area into the stadium right at 1:05.

QuoteD3...have no idea on the ticket sales....but it'll be a good crowd for sure. The biggest hazard of the day for many Wabash fans will be the last minute rush from the tailgate area into the stadium right at 1:05.

yep...i hope it's packed...was a great crowd at wabash two years ago, but a few empty areas...perhaps because of the crappy weather...

D3_DPUfan,

Unofficially...have "heard" Wabash has less then 800 tix and expecting to sell out by mid-week.  DePauw has less then that left.

Any of you DPU guys attending the Stag on Thursday?

Found the following story on the DPU website and a link to a nice piece in the South Bend Trib...the LG's have quite a few players from the SB area...


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=22460

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081111/SPORTS10/811110395/1001/Sports

That is a really good article in the South Bend Trib.  It's Bell week, I'm in a good mood...you're getting some karma for posting that link.   :)

Suggest all Wallies on this list serve email to Bambrey the concerns about the crush at the gate to get in at game start.  Mummert had no clue.  Hope if Tom is informed about the past crush situation he will be pro-active and alleviate it with perhaps another gate next to the Allen Center and/or putting ticket takers outside the gate so it can flow more freely ...

I may have a few extra trickets.. Had planned on bringing four footballers from our area down but they all are in the playoffs on Sat so I have their tickets.  If it sells out or you need one, I will have a couple ... just want to get ticket price back for the kids.  Look for red Dodge Ram truck with red tent in front next to House's extravaganza

QuoteUnofficially...have "heard" Wabash has less then 800 tix and expecting to sell out by mid-week.  DePauw has less then that left.

That's good!

QuoteAny of you DPU guys attending the Stag on Thursday?

Have not heard of attendees from the Indy area....

Quote from: WAF78 on November 11, 2008, 09:45:22 AM
If you have a minute or two...go over to the East Region board and read the posts for the 2008 Cortaca Jug. Funny stuff.

There is some funny stuff there. The state school/academic smack would get a bit old after a while.

This from the Wabash website today

QuoteTickets are $15 each and only about 600 tickets remain for the Wabash side of the field.

I'm sure there will be a good crowd...but depends so much on the weather.

Depauw Fans, Alumni, and Friends,

I would like to remind you all of the importance of this game. As you know only one game counts every year. In preparation for the week, I would like you all to remember a few things.   

Let us remember this game is for those great classes who have played on the sacred field at Blackstock. Such as the Depauw team of 1973 who rushed against Wabash for 80 plays to win the game 28-21; or, the team who played from 1997-2000, winning 4 Monon Bells, including a 42-7 stomping in 1998; or, that team, who on November, 22, 1890 started the Monon tradition with an ass-kicking against Wabash, by beating the Wally's 34-5 in Crawfordsville; or, the 1914 team who in the middle of a snowstorm, wins 3-0, with a dropkick by the fullback; and let us never forget the class of 1933 who under Gaumey Neal went on to a 7-0 record having not lost, tied, or been scored upon during the whole season.

Let us remember this game for its historic players who have had so much success wearing the Black and Gold.  Players like Bart Simpson, who from 1971-1974 rushed for 2941 yards; or, Spud Dick, who will go down as one of DePauw's most prolific passers, a living legend; or Dan Ryan, who had three receptions for touchdowns in 4 different games between 2001-2002; or what about, Alan Hill with four interceptions for 159 yards against St Norbert on September 5, 1981; or, Jordan Havercamp, a backup kicker, who had never made a kick in college, nailing a 47 yarder for the win against the cavemen in 2007, becoming a legend; or who can forget, Tyler Kelley, who only had 71 receptions during his career from 1996-1999, but looked damn sexy while he was doing it. These men had hatred for those cavemen from Crawfordsville.  These are the men who the game is played for today.  These men are those who we should remember.   

Let us remember the shame that has fallen upon those classes who have lost to an all male college, those teams who have not shown their faces since losing to the cavemen. Personally, I would off myself if I ever lost to Wabash.

Wabash. A College of only men, governed by the "Gentleman's Rule". An all male (i.e. Boys) college where a student's only interaction with a female, during four years of college, is when they hug their mother (or, motherly figure in their father's partnership), see their sister during a break from college, or when they speak to the clerk at the local Kroger. Remember these boys of Wabash are not men (we all know when you become a man, these boys never get to experience that in college), they are weak humans scared of the fairer sex. This segregation from women does not make these "men" better, but puts them at a disadvantage. Not only are they socially awkward, but they grow up wondering why they have problems conceiving children, what a date is, and why they can not apply for employment benefits for their spouse (Mass., and Cal. Excluded). You must ask yourself, "What kind of world would we live in if Wabash was the norm?". I will tell you it is not a world I want to live in.

Not only is DePauw's maintaining the Bell at stake (36-34-6 Depauw lead), or the series record (53-52-9, Wabash lead), but the way of life for all men at co-ed Universities. A win for Depauw is a win for all men in the world who enjoy fraternity parties with women and beer in abundance, not just a Saturday night with the guys playing tummy-sticks. A win for Depauw is a win for all man who has hooked up with two, three, or even more women in one night/weekend. A win for Depauw is a win for ever man who has not worn a condom, because without a condom, it feels better.

For some of you, I do not need to explain the importance of Monon Week.  This is that time of year when you are allowed to eat only bloody, read meat for three meals a day and wash it down with ice cold domestic beer. This is the week where you get to fight random strangers for "bad eyeing" you, or merely for the fact that you didn't like the Crimson and Red in their tie, or that they drive a red car.  This is the week where showering with soap is purely optional. This is the week where any conversations with others must either concern, 1) discussions about beer, women, Depauw football, meat, or fighting; 2) a comparison of Spud Dick, Bernie Haskins, and Jason Lee; or, 3) your hatred for the color red. This is the week where human life becomes cheap, and only those who deserve it, are allowed to survive.

This is Monon Week. Ding Mother-****ing Dong.

In the words of a great man, UGOTTAWANNA

that was spirited.

Good for you, bear.  That right there, in just over 800 words, accounts for 98% of the spirit that the DePauw community collectively has for this game.  I'm just glad it got shared here...otherwise we'd all just keep on thinking that you guys just don't care about it.  At least you do, and that's gotta count for something.  I'm not sure what yet, but it's something. 

That was absolutely slanderous! DePauw to hell-get the bell.

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"Over?! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Breckenridgebear...epic...somebody needs to prop that effort up with more karma :)

Long before the cannonball travelled through her towns
The state of Indiana owned the jewel of the crown
The train, they called the Monon, the stories they still tell
The Cavemen and the Tigers playing for her bell


It rode like a masthead on engine ninety-nine
Crawfordsville to Greencastle, then further down the line
The Cavemen came from Wabash, the Tigers from DePauw
Since eighteen-ninety they have played the last game ev'ry fall


Many years they played for pride, oh the stories they could tell
Then in thirty-two the Monon train gave up her precious bell
They said, "Here take this symbol of smoke and fire and grit
And give it to the winner, a symbol not to quit."


Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall


Suddenly the boys of autumn had fire in their eyes
Blood and spit, but never quit, fighting for the prize
The medal to the victor, the symbol to the school
Wabash and DePauw became a yearly duel


Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall


Now history has recorded the players and their games
And to this day they still play for the Bell in Monon's name
Those who've gone before return each November day
Swapping stories and the legends for those who did not play


Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall

Even though he went to DePauw, I really do like Jimmy Ibbotson's recording of "The Ballad of the Monon Bell."

To reiterate, I have an extra ticket to the game. Look for me at Wabco's red truck.

BB16 - I am not going to be at the Stag, but I will be at the HoF dinner friday night.

Geezer

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 11, 2008, 01:01:03 PM
A win for Depauw is a win for ever man who has not worn a condom, because without a condom, it feels better.

Boy, that's just about the best argument I've ever heard right there.  THEN WE BETTER FREAKING WIN ON SATURDAY.


I'm ready to run through a freaking wall after reading that in its entirety.

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 11, 2008, 01:54:35 PM
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall

I gotta tell you, I like Bill Lynch's version of this song the best - he really sang the crap out of it.

Also, cosign everything in your prior post. One of the best things about being a DePauw alum is that, when we have the Bell, there is no best thing about being a Wabash alum.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 11, 2008, 02:41:30 PM
I gotta tell you, I like Bill Lynch's version of this song the best - he really sang the crap out of it.

Not sure Coach Lynch ever completely learned the words, but it sure did get him cranked up.  I will certainly agree that it's far and away my favorite rendition, partner. 

You going to get out to the middle-of-nowhere Wyoming viewing party?

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 11, 2008, 02:41:30 PM
One of the best things about being a DePauw alum is that, when we have the Bell, there is no best thing about being a Wabash alum.

Classic sign of a great rivalry...

I don't mind giving up the Bell every now and then because, for me at least, the two-fer I get when I see Wabash win the game and see DePauw lose possession of the bell trumps the feeling I get when Wabash simply wins and retains possession.  Watching y'all have to hand over the prize just amplifies the experience.  I'm sure the feeling is mutual. 

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 11, 2008, 02:52:46 PM
You going to get out to the middle-of-nowhere Wyoming viewing party?

Was not aware of one, but I'm actually gonna have to DVR the game - got a state title football game to call in Burlington, WY (pop. 250 - cattle pop. much higher) on Saturday. My thanks to Mark Cuban and the Dish Network.

Should be another great game....

Interesting stats on the DPU redzone defense...

Division III National Team Report
Red Zone Efficiency - Defense

Year: 2008 Thru: 11/08/08 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 
Rank Name Gm Drives Scores Points Rush TD Pass TD FG Pct
1 Redlands 8 12 5 31 1 3 1 .42
2 Ripon 10 24 11 59 3 4 4 .46
3 Wilkes 9 30 14 82 7 3 4 .47
4 Adrian 9 24 12 68 2 6 4 .50
4 Aurora 9 8 4 24 2 2 0 .50
6 Luther 9 23 12 75 5 5 2 .52
7 Plymouth St. 10 28 15 93 9 3 3 .54
7 Ferrum 9 24 13 80 6 5 2 .54
9 DePauw 9 38 21 139 9 11 1 .55
9 Albright 9 31 17 95 7 5 5 .55
9 N.C. Wesleyan 9 29 16 106 11 4 1 .55
9 Cal Lutheran 8 20 11 60 5 2 4 .55
13 Juniata 10 41 23 137 14 4 5 .56
13 Curry 10 27 15 88 6 5 4 .56
13 Endicott 10 18 10 63 5 4 1 .56
16 Wesley 8 21 12 73 6 4 2 .57
17 Eureka 9 41 24 163 15 9 0 .59
17 Bethel (Minn.) 9 32 19 110 7 7 5 .59
17 Husson 9 27 16 107 8 7 1 .59
17 Montclair St. 9 22 13 83 5 6 2 .59
17 Wis.-Stevens Point 9 22 13 78 4 6 3 .59
17 Alfred 9 22 13 75 9 0 4 .59
23 McDaniel 9 40 24 145 14 5 5 .60
23 Gallaudet 8 40 24 157 16 7 1 .60

I'll admit this is rather absurd and kind of proves a point that the Dannies have been making about us Wabash guys.  :-\  Last night I actually dreamed I was at the game this Saturday.   Can't tell you much about the game, other than that Sobecki busted a 70+ run that was called back  >:(, and that the score at the half was 0 - 0.   ::)

Top Ten Reasons why DePauw not making the playoffs every year isn't the worst thing in the world:

10.   They don't have to lose to Millsaps or Trinity again.
9.     Much more time to prepare for Thanksgiving.
8.     With Football over, they can finally attend - Winter Storytime at the Putnam County
        Public Library.
7.     It is too cold to play outside sports in December.
6.     Killer sales start the day after Thanksgiving at Abercrombie & Fitch - duh, TURTLENECKS!
5.     You don't miss the first couple of weeks of basketball season.
4.     Icy roads loaded on Zima is very dangerous.
3.     The football team will have more time to meet with designers on the next season's uniforms.  Do you think we can
        add more Paw prints, those are cool!  
2.     Somebody needs to be available to hit fungos (or is it fungoes, Mr. Quayle?). 
1.     Making the playoffs does not fit into DePauw's program philosophy of "adequate   
        management".

;D

Quote from: Schwami on November 11, 2008, 03:32:42 PM
I'll admit this is rather absurd and kind of proves a point that the Dannies have been making about us Wabash guys.  :-\  Last night I actually dreamed I was at the game this Saturday.   Can't tell you much about the game, other than that Sobecki busted a 70+ run that was called back  >:(, and that the score at the half was 0 - 0.   ::)

Dammit, Schwam.  You need to get your subconcious in order.  It's all about positive vibes this week!   :)

Quote from: bashbrother on November 11, 2008, 03:35:41 PM
2.     Somebody needs to be available to hit fungos (or is it fungoes, Mr. Quayle?). 

There's why you guys can't win a baseball game.  Walk's spending 2 or 3 extra weeks with the baseball team.

Although, that wouldn't explain 16 straight losses.  You haven't been to the football playoffs 16 straight years.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 11, 2008, 03:48:55 PM

Quote from: bashbrother on November 11, 2008, 03:35:41 PM
2.     Somebody needs to be available to hit fungos (or is it fungoes, Mr. Quayle?). 

There's why you guys can't win a baseball game.  Walk's spending 2 or 3 extra weeks with the baseball team.

Although, that wouldn't explain 16 straight losses.  You haven't been to the football playoffs 16 straight years.

Quick tangent from the gridiron, then right back to it.  I'd expect the Wabash/DePauw baseball series to get a little more even soon enough.  Wabash's baseball team has been getting better under Coach Stevens and now with plans to build a dedicated facility for the team (looooooong overdue), Coach Stevens should be able to make his program look a little more attractive to potential recruits.  I like the direction that program is headed in...I'm pretty sure we'll get you guys sooner rather than later.   :)

DPULefty22 -

To me, one of the best things about being a Wabash grad is the fact that I am not a Depauw grad.

Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 11, 2008, 03:20:59 PM
Should be another great game....

Interesting stats on the DPU redzone defense...

Division III National Team Report
Red Zone Efficiency - Defense

Year: 2008 Thru: 11/08/08 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 
Rank Name Gm Drives Scores Points Rush TD Pass TD FG Pct
1 Redlands 8 12 5 31 1 3 1 .42
2 Ripon 10 24 11 59 3 4 4 .46
3 Wilkes 9 30 14 82 7 3 4 .47
4 Adrian 9 24 12 68 2 6 4 .50
4 Aurora 9 8 4 24 2 2 0 .50
6 Luther 9 23 12 75 5 5 2 .52
7 Plymouth St. 10 28 15 93 9 3 3 .54
7 Ferrum 9 24 13 80 6 5 2 .54
9 DePauw 9 38 21 139 9 11 1 .55
9 Albright 9 31 17 95 7 5 5 .55
9 N.C. Wesleyan 9 29 16 106 11 4 1 .55
9 Cal Lutheran 8 20 11 60 5 2 4 .55
13 Juniata 10 41 23 137 14 4 5 .56
13 Curry 10 27 15 88 6 5 4 .56
13 Endicott 10 18 10 63 5 4 1 .56
16 Wesley 8 21 12 73 6 4 2 .57
17 Eureka 9 41 24 163 15 9 0 .59
17 Bethel (Minn.) 9 32 19 110 7 7 5 .59
17 Husson 9 27 16 107 8 7 1 .59
17 Montclair St. 9 22 13 83 5 6 2 .59
17 Wis.-Stevens Point 9 22 13 78 4 6 3 .59
17 Alfred 9 22 13 75 9 0 4 .59
23 McDaniel 9 40 24 145 14 5 5 .60
23 Gallaudet 8 40 24 157 16 7 1 .60

This is a funny stat, kind of the 'bend don't break' stat, because it disregards the number of trips to the red zone in favor of how successful the defense is stopping a team from scoring once there. 

Here are the Wabash numbers, which show the LGs are better at keeping teams away from the red zone, but not as good at stopping them once there.

79t Wabash 9 23 16 100 4 10 2 .70

So DPU has allowed 20 TDs (and 139 pts) from the red zone, Wabash only 14 (and 100).

In other stat fun, Wabash has only allowed 107 pts all year - and only one TD from beyond the 20, that's impressive. 

DePauw has allowed 246 points (and 35 TDs), but probably 100 of that was Millsaps.   ;) 

If DePauw gets to see the unit(s) that has surrendered a good percentage (about 40% by my math) of those 107 points, the Tigers have had a bad, bad day. 

i was in the kazoo band... and you are right, WAF78 it was still a good day to be a bash MAN!!!

whenever we lose to dpu... i always remind myself "at least, i am not a danny!!!"

WAF78 - Typical story from a caveman.

You talk about how great the game was, but you do not address the fact that Da'Bash lost to Depauw. How can that be such a great day for you and your esteemed boys school? Did you win? No. Did you ring the bell that day? No. Did anyone from Da'Bash enjoy the embrace of a woman that evening? No. Sounds like a horrible day to me.

I am happy that your best memories from Da'Bash are about your school mates blowing plastic pipes on the field, instead of winning a football game. I am happy that you experienced the only tail that any Wally got on a Monon Saturday, when he ran across the field with a tigers tail. In my four years at Depauw, all of my Monon memories involve us keeping the bell. I was not concerned about any of the extracurricular activity that was secondary to the game.

Monon is about the game, the players, the coaches, and the alumni who played the game. You can keep you memories of tomfoolery and juvenile behavior. Depauw men focus on the game and keeping the bell. We know that when we get back to campus there are plenty of women and good times awaiting.

Depauw Never Quits, ***k Da'Bash
 

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 11, 2008, 05:28:10 PM
Monon is about the game, the players, the coaches, and the alumni who played the game.  

This is the most ridiculous statement of the week.  Monon Bell is about way more than just players and coaches and guys who played in the game in the past.  For one, it's the only game of the year that gets DePauw students off their spoiled duffs and out to a football game on Saturday afternoon and I know most of those haven't and won't actually play in the game.  Official attendance for last week's game in the Dingle: 1000.   While no attendance figures are available, I'm pretty confident in saying that Wabash drew at least that for their scrimmage this year.  That's right...Wabash draws better than DePauw for practice.  I don't know how Monon Bell week goes at DePauw, but at Wabash it is a week long celebration of the team, the rivalry, and the prize.  The entire community gets behind the team and the event and the entire community sincerely cares about the outcome. 

It's totally unfair to say that it's only about the present and former players coaches. 

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 11, 2008, 05:46:57 PM

For one, it's the only game of the year that gets DePauw students off their spoiled duffs and out to a football game on Saturday afternoon and I know most of those haven't and won't actually play in the game.  Official attendance for last week's game in the Dingle: 1000.   While no attendance figures are available, I'm pretty confident in saying that Wabash drew at least that for their scrimmage this year.  That's right...Wabash draws better than DePauw for practice. 

Forgive me for asking, but, so what?  Does that mean something?  None of us here are "average" fans for our school anyway, so what bearing does it have on the discussion?  If we give enough of a crap to read these boards 10 times a day, then insulting each other for not caring doesn't make a damn bit of sense.  You were at yours on Saturday.  I was at mine.  Yes, average DePauw fan doesn't show up like average Wabash fan.  Fine.  We're spoiled.  We're also busy with chicks.  Distractions, I tell ya.  Get the best of you if you aren't careful. 

But, even with that said, why does it matter?  The Bell is in the Raymond "Gaumey" Neal Fieldhouse, men.  Go ahead and be a better fan.  Care more than we do.  Have a strictly heterosexual, manly-man Wabash twelveteen hour tailgate.   Pack the house.  Help yourself.  I can't hear your cheering anyway.  The ringing of OUR Monon Bell is drowning you out.

wally_wabash - You and your Da'Bash Bro's are always talking about getting "behind" your team. Now you accuse the whole community of this? I would like to say that what you and all your boys (and apparently the whole town) do up in C'ville in your free time has no place on this board.

You know what your little speech about attendance shows me? C'ville and Da'Bash are so boring that the only thing for you boys to do is to go watch other boys roll around. What are your attendance stats for the locker room following practice? By the way, practice? Seriously, practice? You are talking about practice. Come on.

I bet that there are so many of you and your Da'Bash alumni friends that still live in C'ville that your weekly entertainment, besides playing tummy-sticks and sheep wrangling, is to go over and watch them Da'Bash boys get muddy together.

We can't help that at Depauw we have world renowned speakers (http://www.thedepauw.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=1ed960f7-5b02-474b-aebd-9cf570357bfb), a one of a kind music department, a priceless art museum and collection, top notch concerts and performances, a first rate Greek system, and WOMEN to occupy our time. As WAF78 pointed out, you guys have plastic pipe blowing practice, stuffed animal chasing, and, a brief search shows that you have speakers like this: http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=6362. It is no wonder everyone goes to watch football games. I bet you boys also watch a lot of swimming?

Attendance shows me that you have nothing going on up at the Da'Bash, nothing more.

No, you're right.  Greencastle is a hub of social activity and culture.  Puh-lease.  When has anybody had the conversation "What should we do this weekend?  Indy?  Broad Ripple? Chicago?  Nah...those places suck.  We're going to Greencastle."?  Never.  That conversation has never happened. 

The girls thing is getting tired fellas...the vast majority of Wabash men that I know are doing just fine in that department.  It's amazing how women can be drawn to well-educated gentlemen...even, gasp!, women who went to DePauw.  In fact, there are more than enough of your own DPU alumnae that have seen the light and settled down with Wabash men to make your point pretty invalid.  And the ones that aren't interested in Wabash men...well, you can keep them (and whatever they might be carrying) for yourselves. 

Wes, the whole point about attendance was to rebuke the notion that the game only matters to the players and coaches.  My bringing up DPU's attendance was to point out that even to a base of people that couldn't care less about their football team, the Bell brings them out.  The game is a big deal to a lot of people outside of the respective programs. 

Quote from: bashbrother on November 11, 2008, 03:35:41 PM
Top Ten Reasons why DePauw not making the playoffs every year isn't the worst thing in the world:
2.     Somebody needs to be available to hit fungos (or is it fungoes, Mr. Quayle?). 

Actually, it is fungoes. So you know.  ;)

And again with the Zima cracks? What is this, 1996? Do they even manufacture that stuff anymore? Gotta update your schtick more than once a decade, Wallies - ya bunch of macrame-jean-short wearing Coldplay fans.

Breckenridgebear....you have heated up the discussion. Still reeling from that earlier classic post... ;D

Nauseating gay joke aside, I'll give you some credit for the 40YOV reference.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 11, 2008, 06:43:00 PM
The girls thing is getting tired fellas...

Tell your boys to quit with the Zima jokes and I'll gladly can it.  

It's a two way street, hoss.

With Zima out of production, we're scrambling for a substitute (as I'm sure all of you are as well, just in a more tangible manner).  I'm sure we'll be back on the weak malt liquor beverage of choice jokes in earnest next year.   :)

DPULefty22

Your question about Zima intrigued me, so I did a little research. It appears that Zima is being discontinued according to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27282131/. I guess we are just going to have to drink, what is the other one that the cavemen like to use, Boone's?

You know how I know Da'Bash likes Coldplay?

I spent a night in the Putnam County Jail over this game in 1978.  A Dannie chick named Leslie or Wendy Gates was in the cell next to mine.  She was leaving a Halloween party dressed like a hockey player, oblivous to the near riots on the DPU campus.  Cop immediately comes up to her demanding to confiscate her hockey stick.  She tells the cop "Eat me" and got tossed into the hoosegow.

Nice girl.

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 11, 2008, 05:28:10 PM
Depauw men focus on the game and keeping the bell. We know that when we get back to campus there are plenty of women and good times awaiting.

Depauw Never Quits, ***k Da'Bash
 

Stern, unwavering focus if I recall.

"Depauw Never Quits Unless We're Down at Half and It's Too Cold Out and We're Not Gonna Win Anyway and Our Quarterback is Actually a Left Tackle and It's too Cold Out"

Wow... bears don't just defecate in the woods, do they?   ;D 

Perhaps lay off the Metamucil and consider some beta-blockers before you land in ICU by Saturday - doubt most health facilities subscribe to HDNet.   ;)

Speaking of "chilling" Wes, you really shouldn't disparage Putnam County, even if Greendangle is the county seat - Putnams' in OH and TN are far worse.  WOMEN?  At my age, more of an obstacle than a benefit.  Any clue as to required services rendered just to spring a party on Saturday or a day astream with Bash Brother?  And before you even think it, we WON'T be admiring each others' rods and flies.  ;D

Wabash Always Fights - DePauw to Hell, We'll Get The Bell

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 11, 2008, 01:01:03 PM
Depauw Fans, Alumni, and Friends,

I would like to remind you all of the importance of this game. As you know only one game counts every year. In preparation for the week, I would like you all to remember a few things.   

Let us remember this game is for those great classes who have played on the sacred field at Blackstock. Such as the Depauw team of 1973 who rushed against Wabash for 80 plays to win the game 28-21; or, the team who played from 1997-2000, winning 4 Monon Bells, including a 42-7 stomping in 1998; or, that team, who on November, 22, 1890 started the Monon tradition with an ass-kicking against Wabash, by beating the Wally's 34-5 in Crawfordsville; or, the 1914 team who in the middle of a snowstorm, wins 3-0, with a dropkick by the fullback; and let us never forget the class of 1933 who under Gaumey Neal went on to a 7-0 record having not lost, tied, or been scored upon during the whole season.

Let us remember this game for its historic players who have had so much success wearing the Black and Gold.  Players like Bart Simpson, who from 1971-1974 rushed for 2941 yards; or, Spud Dick, who will go down as one of DePauw's most prolific passers, a living legend; or Dan Ryan, who had three receptions for touchdowns in 4 different games between 2001-2002; or what about, Alan Hill with four interceptions for 159 yards against St Norbert on September 5, 1981; or, Jordan Havercamp, a backup kicker, who had never made a kick in college, nailing a 47 yarder for the win against the cavemen in 2007, becoming a legend; or who can forget, Tyler Kelley, who only had 71 receptions during his career from 1996-1999, but looked damn sexy while he was doing it. These men had hatred for those cavemen from Crawfordsville.  These are the men who the game is played for today.  These men are those who we should remember.   

Let us remember the shame that has fallen upon those classes who have lost to an all male college, those teams who have not shown their faces since losing to the cavemen. Personally, I would off myself if I ever lost to Wabash.

Wabash. A College of only men, governed by the "Gentleman's Rule". An all male (i.e. Boys) college where a student's only interaction with a female, during four years of college, is when they hug their mother (or, motherly figure in their father's partnership), see their sister during a break from college, or when they speak to the clerk at the local Kroger. Remember these boys of Wabash are not men (we all know when you become a man, these boys never get to experience that in college), they are weak humans scared of the fairer sex. This segregation from women does not make these "men" better, but puts them at a disadvantage. Not only are they socially awkward, but they grow up wondering why they have problems conceiving children, what a date is, and why they can not apply for employment benefits for their spouse (Mass., and Cal. Excluded). You must ask yourself, "What kind of world would we live in if Wabash was the norm?". I will tell you it is not a world I want to live in.

Not only is DePauw's maintaining the Bell at stake (36-34-6 Depauw lead), or the series record (53-52-9, Wabash lead), but the way of life for all men at co-ed Universities. A win for Depauw is a win for all men in the world who enjoy fraternity parties with women and beer in abundance, not just a Saturday night with the guys playing tummy-sticks. A win for Depauw is a win for all man who has hooked up with two, three, or even more women in one night/weekend. A win for Depauw is a win for ever man who has not worn a condom, because without a condom, it feels better.

For some of you, I do not need to explain the importance of Monon Week.  This is that time of year when you are allowed to eat only bloody, read meat for three meals a day and wash it down with ice cold domestic beer. This is the week where you get to fight random strangers for "bad eyeing" you, or merely for the fact that you didn't like the Crimson and Red in their tie, or that they drive a red car.  This is the week where showering with soap is purely optional. This is the week where any conversations with others must either concern, 1) discussions about beer, women, Depauw football, meat, or fighting; 2) a comparison of Spud Dick, Bernie Haskins, and Jason Lee; or, 3) your hatred for the color red. This is the week where human life becomes cheap, and only those who deserve it, are allowed to survive.

This is Monon Week. Ding Mother-****ing Dong.

In the words of a great man, UGOTTAWANNA

Depauw Fans, Alumni, and Friends,

I would like to remind you all of the importance of this game. As you know only one game is attended every year. In preparation for the week, I would like you all to remember a few things.

Let us remember this game is for those great classes who have played on the sacred field at Blackstock. Such as the Depauw team of 1998 which used ill gotten signals to cheat their way to victory!  And the valiant defense of the 1910 team who struggled to barely contain Ralph Lee Wilson!  And the heroic towel snapping that lifted the spirits and blushed the buttocks of the 2001 team in the locker room, following the game!

Let us remember the shame that has fallen upon those classes who have lost to an all male college, those teams who have not shown their faces since losing to the cavemen. Personally, I would off myself if I ever lost to Wabash.  As I sit behind the video monitor in the booth, controlling scroll wipe after fade for the DVD production team, I often fantasize that I'm a player on the field.  I stride up to the line and hunch double.  Spud Dick relays the play rhythmically on my inner thigh, pausing...lingering...as he indicates a drive up the middle.  Time slows as the play starts, and I watch beads of sweat drip down the facemask of the Wabash defender.  I thrust the ball through my legs into Spud's groping hands and am quickly sandwiched between the linesman and my own teammates.  Slowly we pry an opening in the man-sea and the back squirts through to victory.  Spent, I collapse and I quickly disappear under a pile of musky bodies, the air pressed from my burning lungs.  Then we're back from commercial, and I have to go get a coffee for Ken Owen.  If I was playing, I wouldn't lose.  I couldn't lose.

Wabash. A College of only men, governed by the "Gentleman's Rule".  What a joke.  Everyone knows that it's far better to be governed by a nanny-like administrative institution that requires no effort or thought.  Turning all responsibility and difficult decision making over to authority is the only thing that can prepare a man for the burdens of life in the real world.  An all male college where a student's only interaction with a female, during four years of college, is when they hug their mother (or, motherly figure in their father's partnership), see their sister during a break from college, or when they speak to the clerk at the local Kroger, debate in class with their outstanding female professors, interact with female parishoners at their local church, work with a local woman on a Habitat for Humanity house, help a female teacher at a Crawfordsville middle school tutor students, visit Purdue, IU, Ball State, or entertain carloads of female visitors from colleges on most weekends, or make love in a passionate yet tender manner to a DePauw co-ed.  Other than that, they never even see a woman!

Not only is DePauw's maintaining the Bell at stake (36-34-6 Depauw lead), or the series record (53-52-9, Wabash lead), but the way of life for all men at co-ed Universities, which is clearly threatened by the three all-male colleges in the country.  A win for Depauw is a win for all men in the world who are so insecure in their masculinity that they can't acknowledge that some people don't have to constantly surround themselves with women and homophobia in order to cover up how numbingly dull and effete they are!

For some of you, I do not need to explain the importance of Monon Week.  This is that time of year when you are allowed to eat only bloody, read meat, misspell homonyms (although I prefer soundthesameonyms, as it doesn't contain the word "homo"), and wash it down with ice cold domestic malt beverage. This is the week where you get to fight random strangers for "bad eyeing" you (I know this is not an actual phrase, but I didn't want to use "stink eye" for fear that someone might think I enjoyed the loving embrace of other men), or merely for the fact that you didn't like the Crimson and Red in their tie, or that they drive a red car or Rascal scooter, or they don't cry after sex.  This is the week where showering with soap is purely optional, but exfoliating with body wash and a buff-puff is absolutely required. This is the week where any conversations with others must either concern, 1) discussions about beer, women, Depauw football, meat, or fighting to show how incredibly gay you are not; 2) a comparison of Spud Dick, Bernie Haskins, and Jason Lee, (but not their prowess in bed); or, 3) your hatred for the color red, and your joy at tipping over elderly men in red Rascal scooters and kicking the crap out of them (I know I mentioned this twice, but it is the thing that makes me feel most manly!). This is the week where human life becomes cheap, and only those who deserve it, are allowed to survive, and I eat iron and crap bullets and I'm so goddamned manly I may even give myself the vapors.

This is Monon Week.  Dong.

By the way, did I mention how not gay I am?  Boobs!  Monster trucks!  Mamet!

"Mamet!" Hilarious.

Outstanding work, gobash.  Clearly somebody is ready for Thursday's Monon Stag. 

Boy, it sure is true what they say about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 01:15:34 AM
Boy, it sure is true what they say about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery.

...Just ask all those high schools who share your affinity for paw prints. grrr.

gobash grows stronger

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Classic!!!

Quote from: BashDad on November 12, 2008, 01:29:01 AM

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 01:15:34 AM
Boy, it sure is true what they say about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery.

...Just ask all those high schools who share your affinity for paw prints. grrr.

Or all those teams in our own freaking conference who share the very same nickname.  ;)

I'd suggest having all those Tigers in the SCAC have to play some sort of tournament for the right to keep the nickname but then Trinity would keep it wouldn't they?

QuoteI'd suggest having all those Tigers in the SCAC have to play some sort of tournament for the right to keep the nickname but then Trinity would keep it wouldn't they?

Maybe not... ;)

Well done, gobash!!!!

If I could dole out +karma, I would.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 11, 2008, 03:44:30 PM

Quote from: Schwami on November 11, 2008, 03:32:42 PM
I'll admit this is rather absurd and kind of proves a point that the Dannies have been making about us Wabash guys.  :-\  Last night I actually dreamed I was at the game this Saturday.   Can't tell you much about the game, other than that Sobecki busted a 70+ run that was called back  >:(, and that the score at the half was 0 - 0.   ::)

Dammit, Schwam.  You need to get your subconcious in order.  It's all about positive vibes this week!   :)

Wally, thanks for the pep talk!  The dream resumed last night.  I was wrong, the score wasn't 0-0 at the half, that was the score at the first HDNet TV timeout!  Wabash was ahead at the half 24-0, and won 45-0!   ;D

There was some good news for depauw, however.  Their red zone defense statistics actually improved.  Wabash was only in the red zone twice --- kicked a field goal at the end of the first half, and finished the second half in the Victory Formation  ;D

But what does it all mean?  ???

DEPAUW TO HELL, WE'RE RECLAIMING THE BELL!

Before I go into my post...WHAT THE HELL IS READ MEAT?!?!?!  Should it really surprise me that a Depauw grad doesn't know how to spell simple words like red or potato?

With that said, I find it funny that he claims no women are ever at Wabash.  Because after Wabash's 23-20 victory in 2006, the Depauw football manager actually was at Wabash partying.  It really is funny how many Depauw girls feel the need with gas prices upwards of $3.50 a gallon to still come to Wabash just about every weekend and party at Wabash.  Even as an alum, I know a number of Depauw graduates are going to go party at Wabash after the game.  I wonder why Depauw men can't keep the girls at their campus if after all they are hooking up with 2, 3, or even more girls a weekend.  Perhaps they aren't but compensating for something else.

So I ask Depauw to please remember our bell, if they can find it, and if they want to avoid serious injury just turn around and go home.  If not, I'm sure Wabash can use an easy tune up game for the play-offs.  Btw, when does Depauw have its first play-off game?

QuoteIt really is funny how many Depauw girls feel the need with gas prices upwards of $3.50 a gallon to still come to Wabash just about every weekend and party at Wabash.

Dude, don't know where you call home...but gas here in Indiana is well below $2 a gallon. And it's a good thing...any chick who would leave DePauw for Wabash needs the extra cash for make up... :D

gobash - Thank you for reiterating my point in language that your fellow De'bash boyfriends could understand. I should have understood that for your lesser brain function and substandard reasoning skills I would need to speak in simpler terms and language. I apologize for attempting to speak in a way that grown men would understand. From now, I, speak so you can know, what I say. Better? 

I also apologize for my misspelling of the word "red". I have determined that the mistake is either attributed to my hatred for the color, and therefore I intentionally misspelled it, or that as I dictated the message to my secretary, she misspelled it. Don't worry I have fired my secretary, and I hope this does not happen again.

By the way gobash, is your hatred for DePauw based upon you never having the bell during your time at the boys school? I know that when I was at DePauw we won the bell all four years. Man, the times we had with that thing.

BashDad, during those cold games, who do you boys cuddle up with in the student section? Just a thought.

For the rest of you who think that the DePauw Women love visiting Da'Bash bash, I think you are wrong. In my four years at DePauw I never knew one woman to go up to Da'Bash for a party or event. My guess is that if anything you got the dredges of DePauw visiting your campus, if in fact any DePauw women ever visited your boy's school. In all probability, you fell for the townies acting like they were from DePauw. After all I know you boys don't have much of a choice so you take what you can get.

DePauw Never Quits

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 12, 2008, 11:48:53 AM
From now, I, speak so you can know, what I say. Better?

Looks like you'd better fire your new secretary.

You understood what I was saying!!! I had no idea she was fluent in caveman.

So tell me, superfan, why isn't your screen name related to DPU?  What is it actually in reference to?  Are you a flamboyant burly man in black chaps who hangs out at ski resorts?

Some alternative names that might work:

Breckenridgebear-paw

Brokenridgebear

Duckfepauwbearpawswallows

Readmeatridgebear (with or without a paw, it would work)

Depauwbreckenridgeswallowsbear

Gobash -

Do you want me to be a burly man in black chaps hanging out at ski resorts?

You are a twisted individual.

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 12, 2008, 12:49:46 PM
Do you want me to be a burly man in black chaps hanging out at ski resorts?

Would your daddy keep you on on at the law firm if you were?

Maybe you should post that on Craigslist instead.

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I don't know Li'l Giant.

Do you think you would have any clients in Texas if they knew you went to a boys college?

I'll ask each one and I'll get back to you. It may take a while because I have a have a couple of hundred of them. We'll be celebrating a win by the time I'm done making those phone calls.

Hey guys, mind if we get back on subject?

31 Yrs ago today, Jim Lampley was calling the game from Blackstock:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13706

and ESPN2 on this very day in 1994:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13883

Quote from: Li'l Giant on November 12, 2008, 01:17:56 PM
I'll ask each one and I'll get back to you. It may take a while because I have a have a couple of hundred of them. We'll be celebrating a win by the time I'm done making those phone calls.

Well if you cut down on the small talk and sweet nothings, it wouldn't take you at least two years to make a couple hundred phone calls.

Quote from: 1837Tigers on November 12, 2008, 01:20:27 PM
and ESPN2 on this very day in 1994:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13883

Tons of big plays in that game.

That's one thing DePauw has done very well, build a great Monon Bell section on their website.  Good show.

bashbrother

I agree. I think that collection of Monon Memories is one of the best records of small college football available to the general public.

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 12, 2008, 01:34:34 PM
bashbrother

I agree. I think that collection of Monon Memories is one of the best records of small college football available to the general public.

Yes it sure is.  It helps those new to the rivalry take a good look at why it is so special to so many.

Quote from: bashbrother on November 12, 2008, 01:38:14 PM

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 12, 2008, 01:34:34 PM
bashbrother

I agree. I think that collection of Monon Memories is one of the best records of small college football available to the general public.

Yes it sure is.  It helps those new to the rivalry take a good look at why it is so special to so many.

Cosign. I never get tired of watching those, particularly the 2004 Monon Memory where, if you watch the sideline during Wiethoff's TD run, you'll see a young, inexperienced, overexuberant sideline reporter (some would say unprofessional, but hey, the guy learned from his mistakes ;)) getting his first taste of just how much beating Wabash means.

http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/2002.mov

my favorite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CszeIv00TkM

I have a tie for my personal favorites:

1986 (http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13881)--Despite this game being played nearly a decade before I stepped on campus, it's just a great finish.

and

The Catch (http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=11760)--yeah, it's an easy one to have as a favorite but I never get tired of seeing it.

I think as much as we, on both sides, love seeing our team win convincingly, what has made this rivalry so compelling is the close finishes.

3 -

Personally, my favorite single "moment" of all was in the 2005 game when it was 4th and goal from the 5 for Wabash in the closed end at Blackstock.....  You got under center - then raised up... and turned to the DePauw crowd and asked them to get loader.... you then got back under center and proceeded to run the option to Ogden for the TD.

That was bad arse!

First, because I never thought they'd ever let you run an option and secondly, because it was so wide open. ( I don't think DePauw thought they would let you either ;))

Yikes...that's twice this week somebody has conjured up the 2004 game.  The 2004 game was easily the most forgettable Bell game that I've seen and I can't imagine that there are many others in the previous 114 games that could have been more of a snoozer than that particular game was.  And it's not even about the result of that game for me.  That game stunk like a foot regardless of the outcome.

I move that we never speak of that yawnfest ever again. 

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 01:40:55 PM

Cosign. I never get tired of watching those, particularly the 2004 Monon Memory where, if you watch the sideline during Wiethoff's TD run, you'll see a young, inexperienced, overexuberant sideline reporter (some would say unprofessional, but hey, the guy learned from his mistakes ;)) getting his first taste of just how much beating Wabash means.

Sorry, wally.  Can't help it.  I like watching the '04 game just so I can do my Rob Blackmon impression - "Playaction to McMahon, Ahwiethoff is looking.  Says he'll keep it himself.  Has first down yardage AND THEN SOME.   HE'LL TURN IT UP THE RIGHT SIDE AND HE'LL TAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE HOUSE.  NO PENALTY MARKERS ON THE FIELD  DEPAUW DRAWS FIRST BLOOD.  AHROSS AHWEEETAWF!"

The guy just can't say Ross Wiethoff without some nature of emphasis on the first syllable of each word.  Hilarious.

The crazy thing about The Catch is that The Catch probably wasn't even the best catch made in that game.  Obviously the timing of The Catch makes it legendary, but I believe it was Matt Piechocki who made a ridiculous snag on a ball intended for Kurt Casper that Kurt kept alive and off the ground just long enough for Matt to come in and snag it.  I think that was down by the goal line sometime in the first half.  That play was amazing (It looked a lot like the Nebraska catch against Colorado some years ago).

It's a lot of game to watch for just one highlight.  That's all I'm saying.  There was exactly one play made in that entire game and DePauw made it.  Game, set, and match.  Aside from Weithoff's scramble for a TD, there isn't a single redeemable second of football to be watched in that game. 

BashBro - 2005 TD that you reference.........Speed Option...TOUCHDOWN #32 CHRIS OGDEN!!!  Wide open, untouched.  Clutch call by CC.

I dunno, Wally.  I thought that HB pass that LaFitte threw was a really nice play and an even better play call.  The effort from the Hard Hats in the second half was one of the best defensive halves I've ever seen by any team. 

I popped that game in the other day and watched Pynenberg make about 32 tackles as a freshman.

QuoteThat play was amazing (It looked a lot like the Nebraska catch against Colorado some years ago).

I thnk you mean the Nebraska-MISSOURI game? The one where the bill tipped off the Mizzou player's foot.

We can agree to disagree here, Wes.  DPU had a "drive" in the fourth quarter of that game that was 12 plays, covered a distance of an entire 20 yards, and ate up over 7 minutes of game clock.  To this day, I have no idea how that is even possible even though I watched it happen.  Just not an enjoyable game from a viewer's standpoint...or at least this viewer's standpoint. 

That game was just the crappy culmination of a crappy back half of the 2004 season. 

And yes, DPUFan it was Nebraska-Missouri.  I tend not to focus too hard on any team that wears black and gold.  Prolonged exposure to that color combination does bad things for my otherwise pleasant demeanor.   :)

    2004!  DePauw was something like 2 for 9 passing; the legendary Jamarcus Shepard never got a kick-off out of the coffin corner; Josh Foster had an INT in his breadbasket with nothing but grass ahead and dropped it; Adi was out there calling defensive signals as a freshman; Adi put Weithoff down 1 on 1 with nobody behind him; and another freshman named Marks, I believe, ended up 2nd and short every time he touched the ball, which ruined the day. Even though it was the seventh consecutive lost Monon Bell  that I watched in person- it was the epitome of smashmouth football.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 11, 2008, 08:08:14 PM
With Zima out of production, we're scrambling for a substitute (as I'm sure all of you are as well, just in a more tangible manner).  I'm sure we'll be back on the weak malt liquor beverage of choice jokes in earnest next year.   :)

Hilarious

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Letter from President Casey and President White

November 11, 2008
Dear Members of the DePauw and Wabash Communities,
The Monon Bell game is a great rivalry between two great schools. We both look forward to a fiercely competitive game, and we know that all associated with Wabash and DePauw will have a wonderful time cheering on their teams.
At Byron P. Hollett Stadium, the Wabash community will extend a hearty and welcoming Little Giant hand of hospitality to the DePauw Tigers and DePauw students, alumni, faculty and staff, families and friends.

DePauw University in turn comes to Wabash as welcomed and respectful guests. The eyes of all of Wabash and DePauw will be on us as alumni of of both schools gather in 58 locations all over the country and beyond — and a national television audience will also be witness — as we celebrate the game and this storied rivalry.

The long history of this game makes the rivalry significant; the close win-loss record makes the rivalry intense. What makes this tradition truly great, however, is the deep respect DePauwUniversity and Wabash College have for one another.

Our two storied academic institutions, with our loyal alumni and students, meet each fall for the Monon Bell, and we together are proud of the history we share.
We join together, today, to ask all of you — students, alumni, and friends — to respect one another and each school. Please be safe, and please take care of one another.
We look forward to a great game and a great day for both DePauw and Wabash. We both know that our football teams will compete with passion and spirit and that all our fans will help make the day a time of pride and honor for our teams and both of our institutions.

We look forward to seeing you in Crawfordsville.

Go Tigers, Go Little Giants,

Brian Casey Pat White
President, DePauw University President, Wabash College

Why you would want to hang a DPU pennant behind your toilet when the only purpose it would serve would be to double your feelings of inadequacy every time you unzip is beyond me. You're a sadder bunch than I thought.

Breckenridgebear, thanks for that Public Service Announcement.  Now back to our regularly scheduled programming . . . .  :)

No Problem Schwami. I do what I can.

In other news, I just had a chance to read a copy of the Belcher (http://bachelor.wabash.edu/issues/2008f/Issue%2081.pdf) and would like to point out a few things.

Page 2. WTF is with the Grow a mustache advertisement? The only time a mustache looked good was when it was on Tom Selleck in Magnum P.I.  If this is your boys college idea of how to attract women, keep it up. I am sure a lot of those 1980 camaro driving townies will love it.

Page 10. Style by Kevin Billups. You have got to be kidding me. HHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAHA
BBBBBBBBBBBAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH. And his pal Josh Lopez hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAA.BBBBAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHA

And what about page 4?  Reginald does have some talent. Is this what goes on up in C'ville when you guys are supposedly attracting girls from IU, Purdue, DePauw, Ivy Tech?

I would also like to point out that during the whole section on a week in the life of a Da'Bash player, not once does it show Wally Watson studying for school or in class. It is great to see what high regards you cavemen place on education up at Da'Bash.

BashBro, I'm so disappointed in you.  ;)

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Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 12, 2008, 04:54:36 PM
It is great to see what high regards you cavemen place on education up at Da'Bash.

Says the guy who misspelled "red".

My ex-secretary misspelled red. Pay attention goda'bash.

Wabash press release and game notes:  http://www.wabash.edu/sports/docs/ReleaseNov1220081.pdf

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 12, 2008, 07:05:20 PM
Sorry if this is late, but what is this DePauw Never Quits slogan?  Did you guys start that last month?  Seriously...

Been around since at least the Coach Nick years, I believe. We just don't feel the need to compulsively chant it all the time.

"WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS! UNITY IS STRENGTH! WAR IS PEACE! WE LIKE CHICKS... REALLY!"

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 12, 2008, 07:05:20 PM
Do you guys think President Casey wanted to meet President White (alone) to work out the details??

Hmmm.

Sorry if this is late, but what is this DePauw Never Quits slogan?  Did you guys start that last month?  Seriously...

Hmmm.  "DNQ" = DePauw Never Quits or "Did Not Qualify" as in football playoffs?  ;D ;)

Quote from: cave2bens on November 12, 2008, 07:57:29 PM

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 12, 2008, 07:05:20 PM
Do you guys think President Casey wanted to meet President White (alone) to work out the details??

Hmmm.

Sorry if this is late, but what is this DePauw Never Quits slogan?  Did you guys start that last month?  Seriously...

Hmmm.  "DNQ" = DePauw Never Quits or "Did Not Qualify" as in football playoffs?  ;D ;)

:D :D :D

This is fun!   ;)

Quote from: cave2bens on November 12, 2008, 07:57:29 PM

Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 12, 2008, 07:05:20 PM
Do you guys think President Casey wanted to meet President White (alone) to work out the details??

Hmmm.

Sorry if this is late, but what is this DePauw Never Quits slogan?  Did you guys start that last month?  Seriously...

Hmmm.  "DNQ" = DePauw Never Quits or "Did Not Qualify" as in football playoffs?  ;D ;)

Ooh, caveman, that was cold!  +k

I love reading this stuff (the Cortaca Jug banter ain't bad, either), especially as an outsider with no dog in the fight! ;D  (Though the homophobic slurs get awfully old - surely posters can be more creative [and classy] than that. :()

It seems like a lot of you Da'Bash boys are concerned about the playoffs. Yes the Playoffs. You need to focus on Monon first. Without winning the bell, do the playoffs even matter?  

Mr. Ypsi - no slurs here, only the truth.

Breck,

THAT was unclassy. :(  -k

Quote from: bashbrother on November 12, 2008, 12:48:54 PM
Some alternative names that might work:
Breckenridgebear-paw
Brokenridgebear
Duckfepauwbearpawswallows
Readmeatridgebear (with or without a paw, it would work)
Depauwbreckenridgeswallowsbear

Benchwarmer58?

Quote from: gobash on November 12, 2008, 08:20:50 PM

Quote from: bashbrother on November 12, 2008, 12:48:54 PM
Some alternative names that might work:
Breckenridgebear-paw
Brokenridgebear
Duckfepauwbearpawswallows
Readmeatridgebear (with or without a paw, it would work)
Depauwbreckenridgeswallowsbear

Benchwarmer58?

In light of his 'slur' about no slurs, might I suggest: Brokebackridgebear. ;)

I believe DNQ stands for "Did Not Qualify academically or financially to attend DePauw, so settled for Boys Town in Crawfordsville instead."

See how far you have fallen Mr. Ypsi? It is a shame, I thought you were better than that.

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 12, 2008, 08:41:28 PM
See how far you have fallen Mr. Ypsi? It is a shame, I thought you were better than that.

au contraire, freshman.  You see, the difference is I don't think 'gay' is a slur, whereas you obviously do.  The homophobic jokes about Wabash got old years before you arrived, and haven't gotten any fresher since then.  Got any less tired material?

I'm not sure you're ready for the big leagues yet, son.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2008, 08:30:22 PM

Quote from: gobash on November 12, 2008, 08:20:50 PM

Quote from: bashbrother on November 12, 2008, 12:48:54 PM
Some alternative names that might work:
Breckenridgebear-paw
Brokenridgebear
Duckfepauwbearpawswallows
Readmeatridgebear (with or without a paw, it would work)
Depauwbreckenridgeswallowsbear

Benchwarmer58?

In light of his 'slur' about no slurs, might I suggest: Brokebackridgebear. ;)

Really? What was that post about than grandpa?

By the way, am I wrong or isn't Ypsilanti where the headquarters of N.A.M.B.L.A. is located? Is that why you are on a board concerning Da'Bash? Searching for some recruits? 

Bring it on gramps!

Wow, Breckenridgebear, you just hit a new low. Ignore the troll, folks.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 08:36:48 PM
I believe DNQ stands for "Did Not Qualify academically or financially to attend DePauw, so settled for Boys Town in Crawfordsville instead."

wait, what? but its your motto. it's yours.

let's at least keep our quips compliant with basic logic, yeah?

Quote from: BashDad on November 12, 2008, 09:16:34 PM

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 08:36:48 PM
I believe DNQ stands for "Did Not Qualify academically or financially to attend DePauw, so settled for Boys Town in Crawfordsville instead."

wait, what? but its your motto. it's yours.

let's at least keep our quips compliant with basic logic, yeah?

Our motto is DePauw Never Quits. Somebody then asked what DNQ stood for. I responded. Let's at least keep our weak comebacks compliant with the flow of the threat, huh?

Quote from: smedindy on November 12, 2008, 09:09:57 PM
Wow, Breckenridgebear, you just hit a new low. Ignore the troll, folks.

Aw, smeds, aren't the freshmen just s-o-o-o cute?

I think I'll take your advice - run-of-the-mill homophobes can be engaged and occasionally even enlightened (and, sometimes, freshmen even grow up ;)), but he-whose-name-I-will-not-type is probably best ignored.

You can keep your motto Lefty.

Jim Amidon stated it succinctly in a speech in the Wabash Chapel on October 18, 2007:

"Wabash - Always - Fights.  Three positive, uplifting words that celebrate all that's good and right with Wabash College - on the field, in the classroom, and in life.

Contrast that with: DePauw - Never - Quits.

You get the idea."

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 09:24:20 PM

Quote from: BashDad on November 12, 2008, 09:16:34 PM

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 08:36:48 PM
I believe DNQ stands for "Did Not Qualify academically or financially to attend DePauw, so settled for Boys Town in Crawfordsville instead."

wait, what? but its your motto. it's yours.

let's at least keep our quips compliant with basic logic, yeah?

Our motto is DePauw Never Quits. Somebody then asked what DNQ stood for. I responded. Let's at least keep our weak comebacks compliant with the flow of the threat, huh?

whatever, dude. depauw swallows.

Jim Amidon?  The Director of PR for your University?    That's your ace in the hole?  THAT'S who you quote?  Not Matt Hudson, not Coach Raeburn, not Tom Bambrey, not Patrick White, but your public relations guy. 

Impressive source you've got there.  Got any good Brent Harris quips while you're in there?

Oh, Wes. Some things you just do not understand...

Quote from: BashDad on November 12, 2008, 09:45:47 PM

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 09:24:20 PM

Quote from: BashDad on November 12, 2008, 09:16:34 PM

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 08:36:48 PM
I believe DNQ stands for "Did Not Qualify academically or financially to attend DePauw, so settled for Boys Town in Crawfordsville instead."

wait, what? but its your motto. it's yours.

let's at least keep our quips compliant with basic logic, yeah?

Our motto is DePauw Never Quits. Somebody then asked what DNQ stood for. I responded. Let's at least keep our weak comebacks compliant with the flow of the threat, huh?

whatever, dude. depauw swallows.

Oh yeah? Your mother.  :P

And that Amidon quote is pretty lame. More examples of that devastatingly clever and overpoweringly witty Wabash humor, I presume? The kind of stuff that made Boys Town oh-so-irresistible? ::)

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 12, 2008, 09:46:06 PM
Jim Amidon?  The Director of PR for your University?    That's your ace in the hole?  THAT'S who you quote? 

Absolutely.  You got that right.  After all, the quote is definitive.  Unchallengable.  Although I am not surprised that a Danny doesn't get it.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2008, 09:53:05 PM

And that Amidon quote is pretty lame. More examples of that devastatingly clever and overpoweringly witty Wabash humor, I presume? The kind of stuff that made Boys Town oh-so-irresistible?

Yes, actually. Stuff like that.

That and that their football program didn't feel like high school II, which your flat-lining, lackluster, paw-printed program did and does.

Have only seen two items with more kitty spoor than a DPU football program:  1) a cheetah-killed, springbok carcass in Krueger in '83  :o, and 2) my grand niece's flannel, crib (the bed, not your "dress for success" notes) sheets.  ;)

Sometime reader, first time poster.

The Greatest Time of the Year has finally prompted me to join the discussion.  I will embark at 8 am tomorrow morning on an annual pilgrimage.  It is one many of my peers here in the great frozen tundra of our nation do not understand.  "Wait," they say.   "You're going to drive ten straight hours to watch a division III football game?"  I could try to tell them.  I could outline the tradition.  I could paraphrase the passion.  I could explain the emotion.  It wouldn't matter.  They wouldn't understand.  They wouldn't comprehend the difference between black and red.  They wouldn't understand that a 300 lb piece of molded metal carries far more weight than that.  They wouldn't understand coming off the bus ready for war, both as a player and as a fan.   They'd rather watch the B(C)S.  We're a few days from the greatest day of the year and I for one am ready to plant a black and gold flag in the ground, shotgun some domestic, and let the the good times roll.

Also, are there any Wallies on here that aren't on the AARP mailing list?  I feel a little bad about hurling insults at guys who hear Walker and think "mode of transportation" instead of "coach who will beat me on Saturday".

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 12, 2008, 08:08:26 PM
It seems like a lot of you Da'Bash boys are concerned about the playoffs. Yes the Playoffs. You need to focus on Monon first. Without winning the bell, do the playoffs even matter?  

Ignoramus.  Yes, the playoffs matter.  The "playoffs" is a general term for the "Division III Football Championships."  Wabash will have the opportunity to, and will, win the Bell again.  We get that chance every single year.  We do not get the chance to win a national championship every year.  In fact, there's no guarantee that we get that chance in any year.  So, yes the playoffs matter.  If, for some reason unbeknowst to your diety of choice, that Wabash doesn't win the Bell this year and goes on to win a national championship, then all things in the universe are right.  Wabash will win that Bell again.  Probably on Saturday, but if not then it will be on this Saturday next year or the year after.  But a national championship....you don't get that chance every year.  Or if you're DePauw, you don't get that chance in any year. 

So, yes, the playoffs matter.  In a way that you as a DePauw fan cannot possibly understand because the playoffs are still a dream and a myth to you all.  All you understand is that you're going to take your yearly arse kicking from Trinity and now Millsaps as well, and that your entire season boils down to the Bell.   Wabash has evolved...our seasons now happen in three stages.  Regular season...Monon Bell...Playoffs.  Maybe someday you'll join us.  But it's doubtful.   

Maybe someday you'll join us.  
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You mean there's a chance we too could join a relatively weak conference that would allow us to build sugarplum delusions of superiority before being beaten in the playoffs each year?

Quote from: ChiefChiefChief on November 13, 2008, 03:32:35 AM
You mean there's a chance we too could join a relatively weak conference that would allow us to build sugarplum delusions of superiority before being beaten in the playoffs each year?

That's the best you can do?  We suck because you can't win your own conference?  Surely you can do better than that. 

I hate to break up the banter.

I have a handicapped aunt who will be attending the game on Saturday.  Does anyone know what the handicapped seating accommodations are at the stadium ?  Thanks

Quote from: ChiefChiefChief on November 13, 2008, 02:07:11 AM
Also, are there any Wallies on here that aren't on the AARP mailing list?  I feel a little bad about hurling insults at guys who hear Walker and think "mode of transportation" instead of "coach who will beat me on Saturday".

No.  Actually, when I hear Walker, my first thought is of Johnny Walker Blue.  Which I plan to be enjoying after the succesful recovery of the bell on Saturday afternoon.  Then, on to the playoffs.

You boys enjoy your offseason.

Can we focus on the great thing we share (these 114 games) and away from sniping that makes us look like two small town, small time high schools?

On November 13s past:

For DP fans (watch Wiethoff "take it to the house"):

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=14918

For our W pals:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13703

Quote from: Fripp52 on November 13, 2008, 07:17:27 AM
I hate to break up the banter.

I have a handicapped aunt who will be attending the game on Saturday.  Does anyone know what the handicapped seating accommodations are at the stadium ?  Thanks

Fripp, with all the modifications made to the stadium for this game, it's hard to tell what the accomodations will be.  I'd contact Brent Harris in the Athletics Administration.  His e-mail's harrisb@wabash.edu.  

Lest we forget Operation Frijoles, and the game played 43 years ago today:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=18863

Joe Wally

Not sure exactly concerning handicap accomodations for this game.  Suggest you email Tom Bambrey.  While he is obviously very busy, I am sure not so busy as to fail to take care of this need.  If temperature is an issue, I suspect you can sit in the Allen Center.  Not the best view but a warm one.  I know there is a golf cart which I think is used to assist in transport of those needing a little assistance.  As for seating, regretably, I believe we (like DePauw) are not as adequate in accomodation as we should be.  That, in fact, is something I am going to try to work on in the off season ... anyone who wishes to join my merry band (of one so far) in the to work toward this end is welcome.  

And - for you Dannies out there: no I am not walker bound - except - to drink it a little later on Saturday, and do think Walker is better suited for baseball, and do wonder where Dannie Boy Quayle is these days especially when you umbrella carriers need a speller like him for the hard words like "potatoe" on the SAT.   Hmmm bet he was one of the "Rector" Scholars.  

Thanks for the response on the handicapped situation.  I did email Bambrey and he responded.  There are accommodations in the West endzone with a ramp.  Thanks for the idea on the indoor option.

Carry on...............

Morrison, Long, Neymeiyer, Morris, Liska, Rode, Lemond, Graham, Hudson, Sobecki, Kinp, Yoder ...... can you Danny Quayle Boys spell F-O-O-T-B-A-L-L T-S-U-N-A-M-I?  (Go ahead ... if it makes your all more comfortable, add an "e" at the end.)

Quote from: wabco on November 13, 2008, 08:52:25 AM
Morrison, Long, Neymeiyer, Morris, Liska, Rode, Lemond, Graham, Hudson, Sobecki, Kinp, Yoder ...... can you Danny Quayle Boys spell F-O-O-T-B-A-L-L T-S-U-N-A-M-I?  (Go ahead ... if it makes your all more comfortable, add an "e" at the end.)

Can you spell J-O-R-D-A-N H-A-V-E-R-C-A-M-P?

Seriously, Dan Quayle smack is still fresh? Dan Quayle and Zima jokes? Do you cackle to yourself while typing those on your Apple IIe before taking a satisfying swig of Crystal Pepsi?

Edit: Upon further review, I'm not even sure why you're asking us if we can spell if you can't even get Bobby Kimp's name right.

Don't knock Crystal Pepsi, that stuff was really good.

1837Tigers--- +k

Quote from: Danimal814 on November 13, 2008, 09:32:44 AM
Don't knock Crystal Pepsi, that stuff was really good.

You kidding me? There are probably salt domes in East Texas that are filled with that crap that Pepsi couldn't sell.

Hello my beloved DePauw Men and repugnant Da'Bash Caveboyzz.  Guess who is back for some more pre-monon fun?

ChiefChiefChief - Where are you coming from for the game? I am making my journey from Denver later tonight .

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 13, 2008, 11:24:02 AMHello my beloved DePauw Men

And you were casting aspersions on our heterosexuality? The only thing missing from that greeting was the jazz hands.

Me thinkest thou doth protest too much.

Li'l Giant -

Something you caveboyzz have not learned is that you can hold another man in high regard and respect, i.e. beloved, without actually "loving" him.

I have no idea what jazz hands are, so I have nothing for you on that.

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 13, 2008, 12:30:36 PMSomething you caveboyzz have not learned is that you can hold another man in high regard and respect, i.e. beloved, without actually "loving" him.

If you are mature enough to recognize that, can you knock the gay stuff off?

Quote from: Li'l Giant on November 13, 2008, 12:37:16 PM

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 13, 2008, 12:30:36 PMSomething you caveboyzz have not learned is that you can hold another man in high regard and respect, i.e. beloved, without actually "loving" him.

If you are mature enough to recognize that, can you knock the gay stuff off?

This coming from somebody who will gleefully tell a DePauw grad that they 'swallow' on a regular basis. Hypocrisy - so easy, even a Caveman can do it.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 13, 2008, 01:02:50 PM
This coming from somebody who will gleefully tell a DePauw grad that they 'swallow' on a regular basis.

In fairness, DePauw's swallowing is not limited to graduates.  The swallowing is most certainly applicable to undergrads and pretty much anybody else with ties to the university as well as graduates. 

My first Bell Game was my freshman year in 1978.  I have not missed one since.  Wabash is 15-13-2 since then.  After I attend the 31st straight (yes I said STRAIGHT... vbg) Bell Game this weekend, I will have attended 27% of all the Wabash/DPU games ever played.

As the years go by, it sometimes just kills me to think back on all the stuff that I've seen.  It all got kicked off for me a month before my first Bell Game when I was tossed into the Putnam County Jail for trying to steal a DPU sign with my pledge brothers.  I've "hated" Dannies ever since.  vbg.

The fights, the heists, the great plays (Dave Kennedy's KO TD in '79, the stop the DPU guy made in the endzone in '83,  Dave Kogan's single mindedness in getting the Bell back in '91, Casper in '01, Havercamp and Pynie last year), the great games (Wabash's pasting of DPU in '82 to go undefeated,  Wabash's upset win in '85 that kept DPU from the playoffs, Coach Nick not saving a timout after Wabash's epic come from behind win in '86, the Centennial game, the -94 game in which each team started with a KO TD return, the '02 game that sent Wabash on to eventual champ Mt Union....).

I have sat (or stood) through all kinds of weather, from warm sunny days in the low 80s to frigid temps in the teens amidst ice and snow.....

I have seen each team dominate for stretches at a time.... only to wind up essentially even anyway.

I have seen the crowd and the atmosphere change over time....... it started very loose and dangerous.  No need for an advance ticket.  No security fencing.  So many Wabash fans showed up for the '79 game that many of us sat on the DPU side at Blackstock.  Of course, the fights on the endzone track were an annual occurence, and part of the game's charm.

Of course, as trial lawyers and insurance companies took over more and more of all our daily lives, security fencing and the like has steadily advanced.  To this day, I chuckle every year when I overhear a surprised Wabash alum bemoan the fact that he needs a ticket to get into the game... and that they are all sold out!!!.

Both teams, I think, have ridden the trajectory that has taken all of D3 football up a few nothes.  Both left Indiana based conferences to take up residence in tougher conferences with national exposure.... DPU to the South, and Wabash to Ohio and PA.

Money has flowed to both programs during the era, and the goal of each program has changed............ not only to win the Bell, but to go much farther than that.

This is all the product of what I call teh ESPNization of college football.  College football is fast becoming our national pasttime........  with the internet and satellite coverage and ESPN...... D3 and Wabash and DPU are going along for the ride.

10,000 + sellouts are the norm now.

The game itself is bigger than it ever was.... and commands national attention now.   It has been broadcast nationwide for about 10 years.

This year, as has been the pattern the last few years..... both teams are very good, obviously.  Both programs have much to offer good HS talent in the way of scholarship, athletics, life-long connections and networks, a fine brand, and the opportunity to play the best in D3 over 4 seasons.

Yup..... I've seen it all...... and I have no doubt that in the next 31 years, I will see even more.  And I can't wait.

My prediction is that although we all hear about throwing out the records for this game, I don't think that will hold true this year.

Wabash has been absolutely blowing away the competition.  (Avg score of 46-12).  Wabash has a lot to atone for given last year's result.  DPU is very good, but got blown out on the road vs. #4 Millsaps.

Wabash will do the same to DPU this Saturday.  No prisoners, and no doubt by halftime.

Wabash 52
DePauw 17

Li'lest Giant-

You are assuming a lot from my posts. I merely make references to Da'Bashes lack of women, how you are awkward around women, how there is not a chance any attractive women with half a brain would ever want to spend time at Da'Bash, and how an outside observer would believe that you enjoy the comfort of being around other men.

What you boyzz do behind closed doors is your own business.

Quote from: bayernfan on November 13, 2008, 01:39:54 PM
Wabash 52
DePauw 17

Great post, even coming from a Wally. And I'll take the points if that's the spread you're offering, thanks.

Based upon bayernfan's post, I was wondering who else was making a trip back for Monon and who else has consecutive game streaks?

I have been at every Monon Bell Classic since 1997 (This will be my Twelfth)
This will be my fifth time traveling from Denver.
I traveled to three games from Tulsa, Oklahoma. 

QuoteWabash has been absolutely blowing away the competition.

Given the discussion on this thread, a poor choice of words, don't you think?  :D

Bayern,
I hope you're right, but I can't see that point spread.  These teams are too evenly matched for a blow out of that proportion.

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 13, 2008, 01:51:01 PMYou are assuming a lot from my posts. I merely make references to Da'Bashes lack of women, how you are awkward around women, how there is not a chance any attractive women with half a brain would ever want to spend time at Da'Bash, and how an outside observer would believe that you enjoy the comfort of being around other men.

I've assumed nothing. You've spelled out quite clearly (albeit incorrectly) what your "beliefs" are.

Keep on trollin'.

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 13, 2008, 02:30:17 PM

QuoteWabash has been absolutely blowing away the competition.

Given the discussion on this thread, a poor choice of words, don't you think?  :D

I am beginning to think that all you Dannies think about is sex.   :o

For what reason, I can only speculate ::)

bayernfan, has there been a more somber day for both teams than the '80 game at Hollett that ended in a tie?  Wabash got to keep the Bell that day on a technicality.

Quote from: Schwami on November 13, 2008, 02:46:16 PM
bayernfan, has there been a more somber day for both teams than the '80 game at Hollett that ended in a tie?  Wabash got to keep the Bell that day on a technicality.

I remember as a junior wondering what was going to happen in the case of a tie.  For a few minutes there a rumor circulated that it would have to go to DPU for half the year, then Wabash!!! 

So when I found out that Bell-less team has to WIN it to get it back, I felt a LOT better!!!

And when the tie happened in 1992, one of my frat brothers was on the bell wagon, gleefully ringing the Bell as the DPU players trudged back to their locker room...... all the while yelling at them.... "That's right Dannies...... it's as good as a win.... you LOST!!!  No Bell for you!!!!"   

That was funny. 

But not as funny as the pep talk he gave the team after the '91 win the year before when he (an inebriated ALUM mind you.... older than ME)  went into the Wabash locker room with the team after their return from Greencastle.  He had all the players take a knee.... the coaches looking on..... as he climbed a table and told them how PROUD he and Wabash nation was of their effort on the enemy gridiron!!!!   It was a pretty good speech!!!  GAWD that was funny.

He'll be there, too.  His attendance streak is 4 years longer than mine.  Always wearing his Sphinx pot... as do I.

Quote from: Joe Wally on November 13, 2008, 02:32:07 PM
Bayern,
I hope you're right, but I can't see that point spread.  These teams are too evenly matched for a blow out of that proportion.

I understand your point. But I don't think that they are all that evenly matched.  At home this year, only one team (Wooster) has scored more than 7 points.  Wabash has scored no less than 45 points, and averages 51 points and gives up 11 points.

DPU has done OK.  They are a fine team.  However, while Wabash has been destroying its competition at home and on the road, DPU has been beating .500 and below teams by on the road by only 13 and 3 points in its two wins.  When they went on the road to play teams at Wabash's level (#4 Millsaps and Trinity), they got hammered 55-13 by Millsaps and gave up.... guess what?...... 45  to Trinity in a 45-32 loss.

Even at home against OK and sub .500 competition.... DPU has only won by 7 against 2-7 Sewanee, 10 against 3-6 Birmingham, and  3 in OT against 0-8 Colorado, and 16 against 3-6 Rhodes.  They did very well in their first game against 5-4 Anderson, beating them 55-13.  But that was their first game. 

In trying to find something comparable to this game... one can look at DPU going on the road at Millsaps and getting crushed.  Also, Wabash dominated Wash U on the road, which lost to Rhodes on the road by 18.  DPU beat Rhodes at home by 16.  So is DPU about as good as Wash U?

Or maybe Wooster, another 7-2 team (5-1 in conference to DPU's 5-2)?  A team that Wabash dominated at home..... putting 45 on the board in its worst home game offensive performance..... and giving up 24?

Either way, I think that either DPU is facing Millsaps again on the road.... or.....

Wabash is hosting another Wooster.

What I think really favors Wabash this weekend is the sense of mission at getting even for last year.  The guys know that a decent seed can be lost with a loss, just like an awesome seed last year was lost.  I just don't think that will happen this year.   They are pretty much a coiled machine with real clear goals ever since the Witt game.  The Dannies are just another stepping stone.  Remember, in 2002 DPU came in 7-2 (5-1) as well, and had their hats handed to em 35-7, and it wasn't that close.  I think Wabash is better now than then.

As for the margin...... this is the Bell Game...... and although both sides are up for it...... there have been blowouts before.  Given Wabash's offense and scoring margins this season (especially at home), I think that the Bell Game will be no different.  Look for Wabash to put not just 45 points, but over 50 on the Dannies.  That is what the Bell Game/Playoff motivation for Wabash will do.

We shall see.

I can't believe I agree with a Danny on something.

Fortunately, it only was Crystal Pepsi. Mark me for the 'pro' Crystal Pepsi column!

//Zima's still stanky...

Remember 1998? Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 13, 2008, 05:20:53 PM
Remember 1998? Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Never mind '98. I'm starting to wonder if they remember '07.  ;D

As much as I have enjoyed my time with you Da'Bash boyzz and DePauw Men, I am off to catch a flight to the midwest for this weekends activities. Hopefully we can continue our conversation before and after the game. Come by the DePauw R.V. lot, I will buy you all a drink, friend and foe alike.

Go DPU

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 13, 2008, 05:26:57 PM
As much as I have enjoyed my time with you Da'Bash boyzz and DePauw Men, I am off to catch a flight to the midwest for this weekends activities. Hopefully we can continue our conversation before and after the game. Come by the DePauw R.V. lot, I will buy you all a drink, friend and foe alike.

Go DPU
             - Thank Goodness!!!!  He can hit on the flight attendants.

What I think really favors Wabash this weekend is the sense of mission at getting even for last year.  The guys know that a decent seed can be lost with a loss, just like an awesome seed last year was lost.  I just don't think that will happen this year.   They are pretty much a coiled machine with real clear goals ever since the Witt game.  The Dannies are just another stepping stone.  Remember, in 2002 DPU came in 7-2 (5-1) as well, and had their hats handed to em 35-7, and it wasn't that close.  I think Wabash is better now than then.

bayernfan,

i agree 100%...
i think the team does remember 2007.
i think they are still embarassed about the bell.
i think they still have a home winning streak to protect.
i think all these things favor bash being the fired-up team on sat.
and they have performed well... especially when they played with fire in their bellies.


GET THE BELL!!!!!!!

I don't think and Wally or Danny forgets Bell losses. So that's not an issue.

What is an issue is that Wabash can't lose the battle up front.

I find the notion that any one team will be more fired up than the other for the FREAKING MONON BELL to be patently absurd.

And smed, you're right - that was exactly what happened last season, and even though DPU will be much more pass-heavy than last year, if you aren't knocking Dick in the dirt, he's going to have a big day. And as has already been stated, the Tiger passing attack almost functions like a running game in that they'll take the 4-5 yard gains and chew up clock on their way down the field.

I don't mean to alarm you guys, but the Cortaca Jug discussion is already on page 21.  You'd better step it up if you wanna remain THE rivalry game! ;)

Quote from: smedindy on November 13, 2008, 07:52:39 PM
I don't think and Wally or Danny forgets Bell losses. So that's not an issue.

What is an issue is that Wabash can't lose the battle up front.

smeds,

i did not mean to imply any one had amnesia.
i mean i think bash has had a bitter taste in its mouth since last year...
and when you corner something that "always fights" you about to have a real fight on your hands!!!
the tiggers better be ready

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 13, 2008, 08:00:15 PM
I find the notion that any one team will be more fired up than the other for the FREAKING MONON BELL to be patently absurd.

And smed, you're right - that was exactly what happened last season, and even though DPU will be much more pass-heavy than last year, if you aren't knocking Dick in the dirt, he's going to have a big day. And as has already been stated, the Tiger passing attack almost functions like a running game in that they'll take the 4-5 yard gains and chew up clock on their way down the field.

i think sometimes the team with the fire surprises the "better" team.
having seen about 25 bell games, i'm not sure the better team always wins.
certainly the team that plays better ON THAT DAY usually wins that game.

Quote from: old wabash on November 13, 2008, 06:08:32 PM
What I think really favors Wabash this weekend is the sense of mission at getting even for last year.

Agree with that wholeheartedly.  Also think that Raeburn is going to want to make a good impression in his first bell matchup.

The Cortaca Jug has about 19,148 implications to it this year. Lots of interested third parties. Here, it's just a team that has met and exceeded some expectations against a team that has fallen short a bit. Frankly, I thought this game would be against two playoff contenders this season. I know DPU is 7-2, but going to OT to beat an 0-fer team at home, well, that's not stellar.

Quote from: smedindy on November 14, 2008, 12:36:45 AM
The Cortaca Jug has about 19,148 implications to it this year. Lots of interested third parties. Here, it's just a team that has met and exceeded some expectations against a team that has fallen short a bit. Frankly, I thought this game would be against two playoff contenders this season. I know DPU is 7-2, but going to OT to beat an 0-fer team at home, well, that's not stellar.

VERY reasonable, except I haven't seen many 'interested third parties' - it's almost all just Ithaca and Cortland guys going hammer and tongs!  Can't 'umbrella-wielders' and 'cavemen' keep up with 'em? :D

The Toughest Day

I attempt to maintain a certain sense of professional decorum in my office at all times, but the Friday before the Bell game is without question the day I find it most difficult to keep it together.  So many sophomoric opportunities, so little time!

Luckily, I don't have any meetings with any Dannies today.  That wouldn't be very productive today.

I do have a fairly contentious meeting this morning with a broker who I am going to assume was "educated" in greendingle.

After I've put his head on a pike outside my office,  I think I'll head home, crank up the fight song, and begin drinking heavily.

Cold with flurries tomorrow.  Great day to run the ball right up the black and gold gut.

GO WABASH!   BEAT DEPAUW!!!!

The forecast for tomorrow appears a bit blustery.  It might be a challenge for the well-coiffed, linen-slacked, chablis (with a twist)-sodden, canape passers from Greendingle to maintain lit chafing dishes, properly aligned silk cravats, and spotless stemware.   :D 

Safe travels to all, and for those of us stuck in "Sodom on the 'Hooch", we'll be yelling in Georgia - if only to keep the UGa-Auburn trolls at bay like last year.  SEC football-factory fans didn't know what to make of the Bell or the fanaticism. "Where's Indiana?"

"Impede them - Impede them!  Make them relinquish the ball."

Eat Zucchini!  ;D We need the Band and "the Head" as in 1971 @ Blacksnot!   WAF.

God Almighty, how does any Wabash (or the occasional DPU) fan get anything done at the office today?! Nobody here has an inkling of the importance of this game, so I feel like I'm about to burst wanting someone to chew the fat with over the match-up! I can't wait to get to the telecast party tomorrow. (Anyone else in the Philadelphia area going to Conshohocken?). Only wish I could make the trip back to dear old Wabash!

Come on, LGs! Bring it home!

WAF!!

Quote from: Sturdybeggar on November 14, 2008, 09:13:49 AMGod Almighty, how does any Wabash (or the occasional DPU) fan get anything done at the office today?

I've been as worthless as tits on a bull so far today at the office. I'm glad there are no deadlines I need to meet.

Also, had Old Wabash in my iPod playing in the car on the way here. I can't wait for tomorrow.

Today??  I've been pretty worthless all week.  A couple of years ago I decided to do the company a favor and just take Thursday and Friday off before the game. 

Monon Stag was a great time last night.  It's good to see the two sides come together for some good natured ribbing and roasting in anticipation of our game and a celebration of the rivalry. 

24 hours until kickoff!!!

Anybody have stag highlights from last night?

- from those of us who live too far away

Yeah - I believe that my day is effectively over.

From: http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2008/11/14/News/Four-Hundred.Monon.Tickets.Left-3544726.shtml (http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2008/11/14/News/Four-Hundred.Monon.Tickets.Left-3544726.shtml)

The forecast for Saturday calls for snow and rain, and DePauw sophomore Mara Weber explained that both the cold weather and the location of the game affected her decision to go to the game.

"I don't feel like driving 45 minutes and paying $15 to sit in the cold," she said.

Quote from: wabndy on November 14, 2008, 02:19:43 PM

The forecast for Saturday calls for snow and rain, and DePauw sophomore Mara Weber explained that both the cold weather and the location of the game affected her decision to go to the game.

"I don't feel like driving 45 minutes and paying $15 to sit in the cold and lose," she said.

Fixed it for ya!   ;D

This is great:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2007/11/13/Opinion/Dear-Wabash.I.Hate.You.Love.Depauw-3097367.shtml?reffeature=recentlycommentedstoriestab

That really is typical of Dannies.  They are simply not as into the Bell Game as Wabash fans are.  To this day, I don't know of a single Dannie who actually goes to, or even cares about, the Bell Game.

If you want to see something priceless...

http://www.thedepauw.com/poll/index.cfm?event=displayPollResults

Sometimes they say it best themselves...

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2008/11/14/News/Monon.Locomotion.A.Year.In.The.Life.Of.The.Bell-3544808.shtml (http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2008/11/14/News/Monon.Locomotion.A.Year.In.The.Life.Of.The.Bell-3544808.shtml)

Luggage compartment!?!?!

Note how they don't even capitalize the word "Bell".

Dannies just don't deserve the Bell on SOOOO many levels.

Quote from: BashDad on November 14, 2008, 03:13:12 PM
This is great:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2007/11/13/Opinion/Dear-Wabash.I.Hate.You.Love.Depauw-3097367.shtml?reffeature=recentlycommentedstoriestab

Check the poll results - 86%, not interested.

Just because:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcrew1980.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F11%2Fno-bell-poster.gif&hash=5796f1bfb1a06dc842fae4842f883b6d4e4fa983)

Neither of these articles surprise me at all.  To be honest I always like to go to games in Crawfordsville because the atmosphere was so much better (probably because its a mostly dude crowd).  The student body and fans 'get it' more.  Only someone who has been to several games and palyed in one know what 'it' is.

At home in Greencastle if we are not in the game everyone leaves which always pissed me off.  I think if you look at the game tape, during the tip game in 01 our student section was fairly empty.

Wish I could be there but i get to watch a much better game...Tulane University vs. University of Alabama Birmingham.

DePauw Never Quits!

Quote from: DPU92 on November 14, 2008, 03:38:04 PM
At home in Greencastle if we are not in the game everyone leaves ...

DePauw Never Quits!

???

Quote from: Joe Wally on November 14, 2008, 03:27:41 PM

Quote from: BashDad on November 14, 2008, 03:13:12 PM
This is great:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2007/11/13/Opinion/Dear-Wabash.I.Hate.You.Love.Depauw-3097367.shtml?reffeature=recentlycommentedstoriestab

Check the poll results - 86%, not interested.

Wow. Surely like six people have voted, right? I mean I hate depauw as much as anyone else, but I don't want to be punching a pillow. If that's representative of the community at large, it's worse than I thought. I hope Wabash gets to take over those tickets...

Ugh. That effin' place.

Quote from: big_bash on November 14, 2008, 03:40:21 PM

Quote from: DPU92 on November 14, 2008, 03:38:04 PM
At home in Greencastle if we are not in the game everyone leaves ...

DePauw Never Quits!

???

Yeah, I wince a little when I see stuff like that internet poll. But actually that's one of the many pleasures I do take from DPU winning the Bell - it completely robs your lives as Wallies of all but the scarcest meaning, while win or lose, we Tigers still know we attended a superior academic institution and enjoyed a superior college experience.

Now are there going to be any predictions about this game or what? I think my DPU 28, WC 21 might have been 'closest to the pin' last year.

BYRON P HOLLETT STADIUM WILL BE A MORGUE IF:
-Spud Dick completes 60% or better of his passes.
-DePauw wins T.O.P. by a sizeable margin.
-The apparent maturity of the secondary since the Trinity game is no mirage.
-Wabash completes no offensive plays over 30 yards (the deep pass has been a part of seemingly every single Wabash scoring drive in the last two Bell games).

OH WELL, WE'LL STILL BEAT YOUR ASSES IN BASEBALL IF:
-Wabash runs for over 150 yards as a team.
-Wabash proves to be the more physical bunch in the trenches.
-DePauw's occasional (and inexplicable) turnover woes come back to haunt them.
-Juan Joseph is traded to the LG's for a player to be named later.
-Wabash leads by at least 10 at the halftime break.

And in the spirit of my prediction last year - three more hyper-specific predictions:
BOLD: The weather turns this one into a muddy, snowy slugfest.
BOLDER: Dick - 23-30, 206, 2 TD, 1 INT.
BOLDEST: Though it won't come in dramatic fashion, a Havercamp FG will be the difference... again. And I will laugh and laugh and laugh...

FINAL SCORE: DPU 17, WC 14

I'm sure I'll be back around to defend myself, but in the meantime, I'll say this now: here's to another well-played, hotly contested game that reminds all of us why we love football and our alma maters so damned much. Safe travels to everyone who will be attending - I'd give anything to be among you.

Who would a sloppy field favor?  I would guess DePauw, but am not for sure.  I dont see either QB going 20/30 passing for 200+ yards in poor conditions. 

I know what the numbers say, but how do each teams running games matchup against the others defense?

How is the surface at Byron P Hollett stadium?  I remember it being okay in 04 which was the last time i was at a game in Crawfordsville.   

Time for me to jump in the fray...

This game is going to be won by the big uglies up front.  DPU returns 4 out of their 5 OL that pushed the alleged Hard Hat D all over the Blackstock turf last year (not too bad for a school full of pansies, huh  :)).  We had a horse in Marks running behind them who is obviously not playing this year.  At the same time, Wabash lost their stud, Adi.  The DPU OL must play as well as last year to win this game.  DPU also returns the rest of their "skill" positions, but I don't know what the passing game is going to look like if there are 20mph winds tomorrow.

On the other hand, the amount of youth in the DPU defensive back 7 could be scary.  We have 6 sophomores and freshman starting on the defensive side of the ball who will be tested.  If the DPU veterans haven't prepared them for what to expect, then it could be a long afternoon.

Can the Wabash front 4 rebound from last year's performance?
Can Ellis or Karazsia step up in the biggest game of their life?
Will the Wabash air assault shred the DPU secondary?
How much pressure can the DPU front bring?

I can't wait to stand for three hours in beautiful football weather to find out.

Safe travels.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 14, 2008, 04:05:38 PMBut actually that's one of the many pleasures I do take from DPU winning the Bell - it completely robs your lives as Wallies of all but the scarcest meaning

Now THAT'S funny!

Prediction time.

On paper, Depauw's passing game seems to match up well against Wabash's cover 2 and all week I've been thinking Depauw's 3-step game could bleed long drives from that hard corner, middle open defense-- keeping the ball out of bash's hands for long periods of time and keeping the game relatively close. However, against that two-safety shell, the balls that kill us (and Wooster certainly attacked it) are the ones thrown in those pockets between corner/safety and safety/safety; slants are harder to hit, because of the face-up corner, and hooks don't gain much ground ( also, Spud's pretty effin' short and Kennon has been a monster at getting his hands up; I wouldn't be surprised to see several balls batted down when dick's not looking toward either sideline). I think, with the weather, those balls over our corners heads and the big play opportunities between the safeties-- I think those will be taken away unless Spud has hands that are twice as big as they should be (or if the weather forecast is wrong). I think if those throws are indeed gone, Depauw's options fall dramatically. I think we'll see a lot of screens, a lot of tailbacks trying to sit under the linebackers drop, etc. and I think that's when, if those plays start getting blown up, depauw will be in trouble.

So anyway, I don't think the weather bodes well for Depauw's offense. I think we'll see a couple picks early as the tigers try and run a game plan that doesn't take into account the weather ('cause I don't know what else they would do. try and run the ball early? Maybe, but that won't take...).

I think Wabash will run early and often, or at least I hope so. Hudson showed last year at UW-WW he can still throw beautiful deep balls in awful weather and I'd look for a couple of those shots as well.

Dick: 13-32 147 0 tds 3ints
Hudson: 12-20 245 2tds 0ints

WABASH 31 DEPAUW 7

Predicition Time

Wabash controls the clock with a dominant ground game.

Wabash 17
Depauw 13

Quote from: DPU92 on November 14, 2008, 04:31:53 PM
How is the surface at Byron P Hollett stadium?  I remember it being okay in 04 which was the last time i was at a game in Crawfordsville.   

Good in '04, yes.  It was craptacular in '06 (I'm being nice).  They were showing a huge reel of the Monon Memories that Ken Owen has put togeter during dinner at the Stag last night and when it got to the '06 game I cringed because that was downright embarrassing.  I know the weather had been bad (not too different from this week) that year, but even so the turf at Little Giant Stadium was wrecked before that game even started.  In '08, the turf at the Hollett has looked simply outstanding.  Augusta greenskeepers would be proud.  How it holds up after what has been a pretty steady soak over the last day and a half remains to be seen.  I'm guessing that it'll land somewhere between '04 and '06.  It won't be ideal, but there isn't a grass surface anywhere that would be ideal given this week's precipitation. 

Quote from: Werner99 on November 14, 2008, 04:33:37 PM
Can the Wabash front 4 rebound from last year's performance?

I don't think there's another unit on the Wabash team that is looking forward to this game more than the front 4.  I'll go ahead and say it....they got abused last year and as hard as it was to watch it had to be even more difficult to actually go through it.  I think that for some reason the coaches swapped Kennon and Lange last year for the Bell game (Kennon moved outside, Lange came inside) and that just didn't work at all.  That group has as much or more to prove than anybody tomorrow and I expect that they'll be bringing it with a renewed sense of purpose.  That will definitely be a fun matchup to watch. 

Thanks Wally_Wabash.  If i could give you a karma point for the use of 'craptacular' I would.  Love 'The Simpsons' references.

Quote from: Werner99 on November 14, 2008, 04:33:37 PM

Will the Wabash air assault shred the DPU secondary?

I think Werner is stuck on Wabash teams of the past under Creighton.  This year Wabash has been running the ball extremely effective with a lot more balance on offense.  In years past, Creighton ran the spread and Wabash definitely had to pass and pass often.  Now, Wabash can and probably will run the ball tomorrow and mix in the pass.  Wabash and Depauw have some what switched places in the fact that Depauw is a pass happy offense this time around with a suspect and young running game and Wabash is the more balanced team that would like to run the ball to set up the pass. 

I hope the errors Wabash committed last year are corrected like I really hope for the love of God we don't have our corners playing 10 freakin' yards off the Depauw WRs like last year.  Sorry but that has been bugging me and I thought was one of many game errors committed by Creighton last year that eventually cost us the game besides the stupid timeout taken after Marks gained 5 yards on first down. 

Finally, anyone know the result of the Keg Game?  I know it was at DPU and I heard a little earlier in the day than in years past.

Quote from: Danimal814 on November 14, 2008, 05:28:19 PM
I hope the errors Wabash committed last year are corrected like I really hope for the love of God we don't have our corners playing 10 freakin' yards off the Depauw WRs like last year. 

If that's happening it would be a total departure from the defense that Coach Raeburn and Coach Gilbert have been implementing all year long.  Gone is the soft corner, keep everything in front of you, cover 3 defense that we saw over the last couple of years.  In is the press coverage, hard corner, cover 2 defense that has really made the Wabash pass defense a LOT better than it was last year.  In 2007, Wabash was giving up 214 yards per game in the air, opposing quarterbacks completed nearly 60% of their passes and had a 120.7 PER, threw 17 TDs and just 12 INTs (through 13 games).  In 2008 those numbers are all dramatically better.  Wabash yields just 163 ypg in the air, quarterbacks complete not quite 50% of their passes (this number is outstanding), have a PER of just 93.4, and have just 10 TDs vs. 15 INTs (through just 9 games).  This year's group is probably more susceptible to letting a big play happen in the pass game than the ultra-safe scheme of 2007, but being more aggressive and taking some more chances has led to a more difficult time for opposing offenses to operate an effective pass game.  Some of that credit belongs to the defensive line creating problems in the backfield, but a lot of the credit goes to those kids in the secondary that have really picked up the new scheme well as the season has gone along. 

Also, on the record:

Wes Chamblee's gonna take a return to the house. I feel it. When was the last time that happened in a bell game?

Quote from: BashDad on November 14, 2008, 06:36:47 PM
Also, on the record:

Wes Chamblee's gonna take a return to the house. I feel it. When was the last time that happened in a bell game?

I'm looking this up and will update when I get an answer.  I don't recall if it has happened since I started watching this game in 1996.  I do know that the 101st game started with Wabash's George Lino returning the opening kick for a TD.  DePauw answered by returning the ensuing kick for a TD.  7-7 before an offense even stepped on the field.  Craziness.  Wabash went on to win that game.  :)

Alright...I'm hitting the archives.  I'll have an answer shortly. 

And the update...unless I whiffed on this, the aforementioned returns from the 101st edition of our great game were the last kick returns for touchdowns in the Monon Bell game. 

Quote from: Danimal814 on November 14, 2008, 05:28:19 PM

Quote from: Werner99 on November 14, 2008, 04:33:37 PM

Will the Wabash air assault shred the DPU secondary?

I think Werner is stuck on Wabash teams of the past under Creighton. 

Finally, anyone know the result of the Keg Game?  I know it was at DPU and I heard a little earlier in the day than in years past.

I believe, according to the Bachelor (sans the Debauch edition  ???), that the keg was being played under the lights this evening in Greendingle.  Here's to Will and the mates boning Dannies, running in a bushel of tries, and a couple of drop goals for good measure.

I'll do a Kamate haka after posting.

QuoteOn paper, Depauw's passing game seems to match up well against Wabash's cover 2 and all week I've been thinking Depauw's 3-step game could bleed long drives from that hard corner, middle open defense-- 

No disrespect meant...but DePauw's passing game is not a "3 step game"...certainly that's what the Tigers feasted on in last year's game...but it is just a titch more sophisticated this year... ;)

Quote from: cave2bens on November 14, 2008, 07:20:56 PM
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I'll do a Kamate haka after posting.

Euless Trinity HS Haka (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/euless-trinity-haka-on-cbs-evening-news/3823739925).

My brother lives in Euless, TX.  The Tongan community has really thrived in this metroplex city, and Euless Trinity plays great football.

Who wants to share their tailgate spread?  We've already heard from BB16 and his always stellar feast.  My crew will be preparing the following:

- beef brisket, slow-cooked overnight at the stadium
- pork loin, marinated and grilled
- 10 lbs. of burgers...stuffed...half are getting stuffed with swiss and 'shrooms, the other half stuffed with cheddar and bacon
- fried turkey (the bird is currently soaking in my special brine)

And more salads, chips, and cheese balls than is ever necessary.  It's going to be quite a feast.  I can't wait. 

Any body know if the game is being broadcast on Dish Network and on which channel?

Quote from: Danimal814 on November 14, 2008, 09:36:04 PM
Any body know if the game is being broadcast on Dish Network and on which channel?

HDNet, channel 362. Although I think that's only part of a certain HD programming package so if you don't have that, you're outta luck, I think.

The game is being carried by HDNet so as long as you're getting HDNet with your subscription package you'll be getting the game.  Looks like 362 is your channel but I'd double check that.  

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 14, 2008, 07:34:44 PM

QuoteOn paper, Depauw's passing game seems to match up well against Wabash's cover 2 and all week I've been thinking Depauw's 3-step game could bleed long drives from that hard corner, middle open defense-- 

No disrespect meant...but DePauw's passing game is not a "3 step game"...certainly that's what the Tigers feasted on in last year's game...but it is just a titch more sophisticated this year... ;)

Cool. Won't ammend what I said, though. No matter the drop, he'll be throwing toward the same secondary which, of course, will dictate the same places for an offense's attack.

Can't wait. Go Bash.

Since I arrived at Wabash in 1978, Wabash's record in leap year Bell Games is a paltry 1 win, 4 losses, and 2 ties.

DPU has won three straight leap year Bell games.

Wabash's lone leap year win was in 1984 which, incidentally, was the last time Wabash took the Bell from the Dannies at Little Giant Stadium.

Trying to get to sleep -- even I'm excited and I have no connection to the game. See you folks there.

Just rewatched last year's game. Yeah, I'm ready. Wabash to hell, we're keeping our bell!

Cortaca Jug, page 24.

Monon Bell, page 21.

C'mon guys - more banter! :D

Posting live from the Jennison St. parking lot outside Byron P. Hollett Little Giant Stadium. I'm holding the fort down at wally_wabash's tailgate until he shows up.

The brisket and pork loin are slow roasting and the spiced cider is keeping the night chill at bay.

11 hours till kickoff...

Countdown to Kickoff:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=22480

Thats crazy, bigbash.  You guys are in the parking lot at 2am??

Next time you post, I want a weather report.  Here in Cincinnati, wind is out of the North about 20 mph... and cold with rain.

Does Wabash have turf?

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2008, 01:03:41 AM
Trying to get to sleep -- even I'm excited and I have no connection to the game. See you folks there.

Pat,

how did you like CVG?  Thats a pretty boring drive once you leave Ohio on I-74. 

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 15, 2008, 01:12:44 AM
Just rewatched last year's game. Yeah, I'm ready. Wabash to hell, we're keeping our bell!

If only you could remember what cornfield you buried it in.

http://www.depauw.edu/utilities/mac_console/index.asp?source=http://www.depauw.edu/av/fball/ballad-bell-2007.mov&width=310&height=250

Enjoy!

Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 08:38:46 AM
Thats crazy, bigbash.  You guys are in the parking lot at 2am??

Next time you post, I want a weather report.  Here in Cincinnati, wind is out of the North about 20 mph... and cold with rain.

Does Wabash have turf?

I didn't drive by the field yesterday, but I'm sure the RV's were already jockeying for position for the prime tailgate spots!

Field is grass - turf to be installed as part of the next renovation (not sure if it will be in place for 2009 season).

Well, all set here in the press box with 45 minutes to go until kickoff. Doesn't look like I'll get out to the tailgate -- got in about 11:30 and had some stuff to do for the site. Enjoy the game.

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 13, 2008, 05:20:53 PM
Remember 1998? Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Talk about winning the Nostradamus Award for the day.

This felt exactly like 1998.

Depauw came out and dominated today. Despite the 22 point margin it doesn't even accurately reflect how badly Depauw beat Wabash today.

One of my favorite Monon's I've ever been a part of in my lifetime!  Isn't quite up there with the the blowout in '98, but this was really close.

I sincerely wish the LG's the best of luck in the playoffs.  I've said that before and I do mean it.  But, for tonight, the Bell rings in Greencastle for the 2nd straight year!!!!

EDIT: Yeah, what he said.

Wow. What a beating. An embarrassing, disappointing performance to say the least.

Spud is the real deal. I thought he was tremendous and Coach Walker's game-plan damn-near impeccable. It seemed like at least two of the Hudson's three picks were scheme picks with a safety/corner robbing the flats (something Hudson seemed completely unprepared for). Ugh. Everything for Wabash looked just awful.

Hats off to DPU; it's hard to continue our schedule argument as it seems pretty clear who's closer to the truth. Let's hope we can re-group and make a run in the tournament, though it's hard for me to hold this team in the same regard as I did even hours ago.

Wally and others: Witt seems less like an anomaly now, no?

When I watched DePauw play Trinity, I wondered why they went away from the over-the-top passes that kept killing Trinity's height-challenged DBs.  Had they stuck with the deep ball instead of trying the shorter patterns that TU *could* defend, they very well would wondering where their first playoff game would be today.

And if they were in the East Region instead of the South, 8-2 with today's dominating victory might have been good enough.    Congrats to DePauw, and good luck to Wabash next week.

And I will laugh and laugh and laugh...

Even the goldest-colored glasses wouldn't have shown me a game like this. The second half was a victory lap.

DePauw Never Quits... unless they get a 30-0 lead and the outcome isn't in doubt in the second half, in which case they do gear it back a bit. ;D

WHOO!

Good luck in the playoffs, Wallies - looks like you're going to need it...

Time to weigh in before I am too inebriated to do so. 

Men of DePauw, my congratulations.  Today we got boatraced on our own field.  One team came to play football and the other team...well, I'm still trying to figure it out.  This was without a doubt the worst game I've seen a Wabash team play in 10 years and that particular game has suspicions surrounding it.  Today's game....no suspicions.  That, as hard as it is to say, was a beating.  It was a 3-hour scene from Oz and nobody in red and white left happy today.  Last year I was actually ok with the game.  We played like doo and were a miracle field goal from going to OT and winning.  Today, we played like doo and got emabarassed the way that we probably should have last year. 

So one more time to the men of DePauw, well done.  You've more than earned the trophy this year.  This one hurts a lot more than last year.  Take solace in that.   We'll see you guys again on Nov. 14. 

Congratulations...you've earned it.

I'd give karma if I could, Wally - you're a classy poster and I always enjoy reading your insights. At least you have the chance to find some redemption next week, so enjoy getting to have at least one more game.

I'm sure that Matt Hudson would like to forget today, and the sooner he does, the better. 

I just couldn't understand why he played so poorly.  This is one of the best offenses in the country, and it was all but dominated by the DePauw defense.  You're talking about one of the 5 most efficient QB's in the country, and he was just terrible today.  Telegraphing throws, missing throws, the whole thing.  Wasn't just the defense, either.  None of his throws were on target.  Even his completions weren't all that accurate. 

Jon Ellis had a much better day that I could have hoped for.  Also, yet again, Spud was great (24-29 for 227), and really only had that one long throw down the sideline to Koors.  Everything else was fairly short and entirely too easy against that first-team Wabash defense that hadn't give ANYBODY anything all season. 

The more I think about it, I can't help but come to the conclusion that the Old Gold outplayed Wabash in all three phases and just flat out-hustled and out-efforted the LG's today.  This kind of result just doesn't happen in this game all that often.  I'm still completely stunned.  Can't believe this actually went down this way.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 15, 2008, 07:56:21 PM
I'd give karma if I could, Wally - you're a classy poster and I always enjoy reading your insights. At least you have the chance to find some redemption next week, so enjoy getting to have at least one more game.

Thanks, Lefty....it's been fun going back and forth this week.  I hope that the sentiment here is that both sides can rib each other mercifully and still have at the least a shred of respect for one another.  

Wabash does have a chance at redemption next week...and hopefully the week after and the week after and the week after...but I'm ok to say right now that next year the playoffs can take a back seat.  I want that Bell back.  Like I said, I was ok with it last year, but the sour taste in my mouth right now isn't likely to go away regardless of what happens in this year's playoffs or next year's regular season.  I want that Monon Bell perched back on top of the entrance to the Allen Center where it belongs.  Next season, nothing matters more to me.  

Again...congratulations.  115 games.....dead even.  Nothing beats that.   :)

Was not at the game but received about a hundred text message updates.  Sounds like a good showing by DPU and a no show by Wabash.  We got the bell, but Wabash plays another game....which is more important?  Depends on the team I guess...

It must have been a good game to get compliments on this board from the Wallies.  Congrats to our boys and Coach Walker....maybe he finally silenced some of his nay-sayers and critics.

Good luck to Wabash in the playoffs.

All is right with the world as the bell rings on through the night in Greencastle for a second staright year......

And again...DePauw Never Quits!!

Also, Pat, I'd love to hear your thoughts about your first Monon Bell game!

The game was kind of a snoozer, I know, but I'm sure you had a blast with the rest of the festivities.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 15, 2008, 08:02:16 PMJon Ellis had a much better day that I could have hoped for.

And this dude is a freshman? Yikes. He's going to be a pain in our D for years to come.

Quote from: DPU92 on November 15, 2008, 08:12:31 PMWe got the bell, but Wabash plays another game....which is more important?  Depends on the team I guess...

My answer to that question is quite different this year than it was last year. Maybe it's because of how thoroughly we got whupped.

Once again, congrats to Depauw. Y'all played a great game and earned the sweet sounds of the Bell for one more year.

365 days and counting.

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 15, 2008, 08:02:16 PM

I just couldn't understand why he played so poorly.  This is one of the best offenses in the country, and it was all but dominated by the DePauw defense.  You're talking about one of the 5 most efficient QB's in the country, and he was just terrible today.  Telegraphing throws, missing throws, the whole thing.  Wasn't just the defense, either.  None of his throws were on target.  Even his completions weren't all that accurate. 

Well, I'll offer he just didn't know what the hell he was lookin' at. The only other team he's seen that's rolled their coverage that extensively has been Witt and he threw three picks in that game.

By comparison, I thought Spud was awesome. Great mechanics, timing, the works. I was really impressed.

Quote from: BashDad on November 15, 2008, 08:22:02 PM

Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 15, 2008, 08:02:16 PM

I just couldn't understand why he played so poorly.  This is one of the best offenses in the country, and it was all but dominated by the DePauw defense.  You're talking about one of the 5 most efficient QB's in the country, and he was just terrible today.  Telegraphing throws, missing throws, the whole thing.  Wasn't just the defense, either.  None of his throws were on target.  Even his completions weren't all that accurate. 

Well, I'll offer he just didn't know what the hell he was lookin' at. The only other team he's seen that's rolled their coverage that extensively has been Witt and he threw three picks in that game.

By comparison, I thought Spud was awesome. Great mechanics, timing, the works. I was really impressed.

In regards to Spud... I don't think he was sacked but once today (though there was that fumble forced which almost looked like a forward pass deflected - definitely would have gone to review in the NFL). Even though Wabash was getting off the line quickly, they weren't pressuring Spud, and even when they did get in the backfield Spud didn't get rattled, instead simply rolling out and making good throws. Spud's poise is what most impressed me today.

That's two years in a row that DPU has really dominated the trenches, which has led to a T.O.P. landslide and a victory.

Hope you guys are full strength for the playoffs - I head Graham's concussion might be serious which would really be an unfortunate blow for WC. Kimp I believe was injured as well. Hope they can both go next week.

Finally, my final word on the whole 'schedule' argument - say what you will about the comparative strength of the two conferences, but I think DPU playing Trinity and Millsaps really prepares them well for Wabash's size and athleticism. I don't think WC has an opponent that similarly prepares them for DPU.

Quote from: DPU92 on November 15, 2008, 08:12:31 PM
We got the bell, but Wabash plays another game....which is more important?  Depends on the team I guess...

Frankly, being the best in the nation includes besting depauw. I'm not sure I want anything but that bell now, either-- at least on the way to the other trophy.

If today's any indication, I'm not convinced one can happen without the other, anyway.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 15, 2008, 08:27:11 PM
Finally, my final word on the whole 'schedule' argument - say what you will about the comparative strength of the two conferences, but I think DPU playing Trinity and Millsaps really prepares them well for Wabash's size and athleticism.

Yup.

Quote from: BashDad on November 15, 2008, 08:31:09 PM

Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 15, 2008, 08:27:11 PM
Finally, my final word on the whole 'schedule' argument - say what you will about the comparative strength of the two conferences, but I think DPU playing Trinity and Millsaps really prepares them well for Wabash's size and athleticism.

Yup.

I also think that Birmingham-Southern will take the SCAC up a notch, too.

With the excitement at Millsaps, Huntingdon, LaGrange and BSC, maybe D3 football will really take off in the Deep South.

What the Deep South needs is the appreciation of the quality and integrity of D3 football.  The South loves football, at all levels, and a personal appreciation, that we see in the Midwest for D3, will endear the game to the fans even more.

Quote from: BashDad on November 15, 2008, 08:28:35 PM
Frankly, being the best in the nation includes besting depauw. I'm not sure I want anything but that bell now, either-- at least on the way to the other trophy.

If today's any indication, I'm not convinced one can happen without the other, anyway.

QFT.

But I'll be damned if I'm giving up on walnut and bronze because of today.  I said all day today, "All we need is just one thing to go right."  It never happened.  We lost.  We could get scarlet and white hot in the next game or two and who knows what might happen.  I'm anxious to see to see how our draw gets affected.  Should be a slew of good teams in our path.    

With the loss, we may end up matched-up with Otterbein.

I actually want this game more than ever. A quality win like that would be would certainly give some credo to the season sans bell, as well as getting Hudson and co. some confidence back should they be able to pull it out.

It may be Otterbein on the road. I have a feeling it's going to be road trips for the LGs.

Well, I thought it would be a blowout and over by halftime.

I was right.  :-[

Just had the wrong team doing the blowout.  :'(

Congrats to DPU who came in like men, and kicked the crap out of a Top Five team on the road.

I ate my crow at the New Ross Steakhouse, so my day wasn't totally ruined.

Perhaps Wabash should consider turning down the automatic bid out of dignified pride..... as badly as they performed today.  I am not sure they deserve to be in the playoffs, period.

But if they do play in them, I'll be there.

By the way, DPU has won the last FOUR leap year Bell Games.  Last leap year Wabash won was in 1984.

Quote from: BayernFan on November 15, 2008, 09:20:22 PM

Perhaps Wabash should consider turning down the automatic bid out of dignified pride..... as badly as they performed today. 

I said this to my bro as we walked from the game, steaming.

Perhaps Wabash should adopt this as their own rule....... only go to the playoffs if they win the Bell.

I spoke with a player from the 70s at halftime.  He thought the playoffs were part of the problem, in that the players, once they qualify for them, don't have their head in the Bell Game as they should.  He said that he thinks the Bell Game is much more important than the playoffs.  I heard that sentiment a LOT today.

So maybe the rule I propose would solve the problem.  As in the Athletic Department making clear to the coaching staffs and teams (now and in the future) that we at Wabash don't give a rat's fart about the playoffs.  The Bell is more important.  Win the Bell FIRST.  If the NCAA says you qualify after that.... fine.

 "But actually that's one of the many pleasures I do take from DPU winning the Bell - it completely robs your lives as Wallies of all but the scarcest meaning..."



Well said Lefty...well said...

Nah. I don't buy that whole argument. The bell is the bell and getting beat is just getting beat. More heart in today's game wouldn't have changed the outcome.

I will say that it'd be nice if both schools were in the same conference. We'd solve both problems, that way. But as it is, jokes aside, i think it's hard to tell a team that has done all it should up to this point, to pack it in and call it a year. They've earned a spot in the tournament and they should take it. It just ain't as sweet.

I disagree with that, too.  There should be 2 priorities for both these football teams every season:

1. Win the National Championship
2. Win the Monon Bell

They should go in that order.  Period.  I love this football game more than anything else in the world.  It's been part of my life since I was old enough to understand it.  But, if you aren't playing Division III football to win the Stagg, then you aren't playing for the right reasons.  You have to go to the playoffs to win the whole thing.  Playoffs shouldn't be the ultimate goal.  The trophy at the end of that road should be.

Now, I'd rather have the Bell than a first round playoff loss.  I'd rather have the Bell than a loss in the round of 8.  I'd rather have the Bell than a loss in the National Championship game.  I firmly believe that.  Call me crazy if you want.  That's fine.  If I can't have the Walnut & Bronze, I want that 300 pound Bell in the Raymond "Gaumey" Neal Fieldhouse.  Gauging by today's response of you folks in red, I don't think I'm that far off.  DePauw can't win the National Championship this year, like past years, so this trophy works just fine for me. 

QuoteDick: 13-32 147 0 tds 3ints
Hudson: 12-20 245 2tds 0ints

BashDad...

You were VERY perceptive...but perhaps you flipped the QB's....by a LONG SHOT.... :D :D

tell me about it...

Congrats to Depauw for beating our butts.  .

Kind of like Whitewater last year, by the time we got our balance we were down 30+.

It was brutal.   

Spud is a special player.

Quote from: BayernFan on November 15, 2008, 09:34:40 PM
Perhaps Wabash should adopt this as their own rule....... only go to the playoffs if they win the Bell.

I spoke with a player from the 70s at halftime.  He thought the playoffs were part of the problem, in that the players, once they qualify for them, don't have their head in the Bell Game as they should.  He said that he thinks the Bell Game is much more important than the playoffs.  I heard that sentiment a LOT today.

So maybe the rule I propose would solve the problem.  As in the Athletic Department making clear to the coaching staffs and teams (now and in the future) that we at Wabash don't give a rat's fart about the playoffs.  The Bell is more important.  Win the Bell FIRST.  If the NCAA says you qualify after that.... fine.

Sound like this game went the same way the IC/Cortland game went.  Maybe the game should be played as the 3rd or 4th last game of the year?

I got a chance to run into Greg Carlson in Crawfordsville Saturday night.  He was in town for his induction into Wabash Athletic HOF induction ceremony.  I confirmed it was his first bell game since 2000. 

I told him that this year's game was eerily familiar with the 98 squad.  No I suggesting any sign stealing business this time around.  In both 98 and this year - we were thoroughly outplayed.  We agreed how unfortunate it was that the very good 98 team didn't have the opportunity to experience the playoffs.  Anybody who watched the 98 game against Hanover couldn't disagree.  I don't care who says otherwise - GC was and is a class act.

I guess my last comment will be to wish the Tigers the very best.  I hope they have a great offseason and lick their demons - Trinity and Millsaps - and roll into the bell game next year with a conference championship - or as they call it in the bell game - a disadvantage.  That thought leads to one other - the only thing that could top a bell game for D3 intensity - Wabash v. DePauw in a playoff game.  That would be cool.

Quote from: wabndy on November 16, 2008, 06:36:44 PM
That thought leads to one other - the only thing that could top a bell game for D3 intensity - Wabash v. DePauw in a playoff game.  That would be cool.

I immediately thought that when I saw Wheaton in the NCC bracket.  I kinda knew at that point that DePauw was probably out, and had it been the Old Gold instead, how about that potential second round match-up?

congrats to the tigers on keeping the bell.
i agree withn the consensus... we got monkey-stomped.
and i was wrong... as i thought if it was a ms it would be in favor of the ranked team!

my question (with absolutely no sarcasm) if you can play like that at bell time, why not trinity/ millsaps?
i just can not make sense of yesterday's game

Quote from: old wabash on November 16, 2008, 07:50:17 PM

my question (with absolutely no sarcasm) if you can play like that at bell time, why not trinity/ millsaps?
i just can not make sense of yesterday's game

The answer may be as easy as what many of us Wabash fans immediately thought upon looking in the mirror and reflecting Saturday evening; Possibly, Wabash is not as good as the rankings, record, points scored etc.........it may not have anything to do with Depauw vs. Millsaps or Trinity.

WAF...... Beat Case!!

I don't have to tell you guys that Wabash/DePauw is a huge rivalry - seem either team considers the season a success if all they can do is win (back) the Bell.   

DPU/Trinity only goes back about ten years, and the emotion's not nearly the same - not to mention that until DPU finally does get the Trinity monkey off its back, that string of losses will continue to play mind games with the DPU players.  There are several games in the series that DPU found creative ways to lose that they simply shouldn't have.

WRT Millsaps, I think you'll see that they have been transformed into one of the premiere programs in the country thanks to Coach Dubose over the next several weeks - heads and shoulders above anyone in the SCAC and by extension Wabash. 

I responded to that question on the NCAC board by pointing out that DPU fans have said all along that TU and Millsaps were better than us. I find it difficult today to argue with that.

Quotemy question (with absolutely no sarcasm) if you can play like that at bell time, why not trinity/ millsaps?
i just can not make sense of yesterday's game

The Tigers played a great game Saturday in all phases. Actually they've been playing that well offensively for most of the season and I think on the defensive side it was a matter of people getting healthy and some of the young guys stepping up...the secondary had 3 or 4 picks the week before (although the Rhodes passing game is not comparable to Wabash in any way). As someone else suggested, the Trinity/Millsaps comparison really doesn't have anything to do with this.

One of the things that interested me in Saturday's game was the battle up front...people on this forum were touting the OL and DL as perhaps the best ever at Wabash. Again this year, DePauw won that battle on both sides of the ball.

   

What a game. As I stated last week this game goes above and beyond records and schedules. Similar to 1998, Depauw focused on a Monon Win and didn't worry about the future. I truly believe that this had an impact on the outcome of the game.

I would like to point out that seeing the Da'bash stands empty during the 4th quarter was something I thought I would never see. At that point it really sunk in that Depauw had won the game.

On a personal note, on the field after the game, those few Da'bash fans and players I spoke with were realistic in their analysis of the game. Unlike those Depauw wins in the late 90's were the field turned into a war zone with flying bottles, bench equipment, and turf, making it impossible to step onto the field, it was good to be able to congratulate the Da'Bash players on a great season and wish them luck in the playoffs. Although overblown, I think that security did a great job.

Even with Depauw not making it to the playoffs, I think it was a good season for the team to learn how close they are to making the next step. Following a season with losses to only Trinity and the Majors (Two top 10 teams?), Depauw should realize how good their program is, and that beating one of those teams next year could propel them to the national stage.

Great game, good times.   

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 17, 2008, 11:04:49 AM
I would like to point out that seeing the Da'bash stands empty during the 4th quarter was something I thought I would never see. At that point it really sunk in that Depauw had won the game.

That makes two of us, and to me that was far more disappointing than the performance our team gave.

Quote from: gobash on November 17, 2008, 11:38:12 AM

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 17, 2008, 11:04:49 AM
I would like to point out that seeing the Da'bash stands empty during the 4th quarter was something I thought I would never see. At that point it really sunk in that Depauw had won the game.

That makes two of us, and to me that was far more disappointing than the performance our team gave.

three... i always thought WAF meant being a loyal fan, not a fair weather fan.

I thought I'd never hear of that. Fair weather Wabash fans? Ye Gods!

QuoteI would like to point out that seeing the Da'bash stands empty during the 4th quarter was something I thought I would never see. At that point it really sunk in that Depauw had won the game.

Actually, the exodus in the end zone began in earnest in the 3rd quarter. Surprising considering some of the bluster you see in this forum...

I remember our fans caught a LOT of flack around here for that same thing at the end of the 2006 game. 

Lot of folks, myself included, took off after Knez got the safety on Spud to put Wabash up 9 with about 5 minutes left.

With lofty records come lofty expectations and unfortunately when you raise that bar high enough and then faceplant, it gets tough to watch.  In fact, it gets almost impossible to watch.  So some people left. 

In 1998, which was eerily similar to this past weekend's game, our stands emptied a bit.  They would have emptied far more in 1998, but I think a lot of people were sticking around to get a piece of the inevitable riot that was going to (and did) happen as soon as that game got over with.  That, I think, is far worse than having some people leave the stadium early. 

It's also worth mentioning that I saw a fairly healthy number of our black and gold clad guests this weekend not make it through all four quarters.  Let's not have this discussion and pretend that every Tiger fan with a ticket stayed for the full pull either. 

QuoteIt's also worth mentioning that I saw a fairly healthy number of our black and gold clad guests this weekend not make it through all four quarters.  Let's not have this discussion and pretend that every Tiger fan with a ticket stayed for the full pull either.

Don't get me wrong, if the shoe were on the other foot, the DPU stands would have been depleted as well. My point is for all of the WAF chest thumping that goes on in here it was interesting to see basically the entire student section walk out long before the game was over...well, at least technically over. ;) 

Speaking for myself and my good friend gobash, we didn't leave early.  We stood there in the bleachers in the west end zone for every agonizing second of it.  All I'm saying is that the vast majority of that game was like standing there watching Ray Lewis have his way with your girlfriend.  It was awful.  I can understand if people wanted to look away or stop looking all together.  I don't like it, but I can understand it.  There are worse sins to commit than cutting short one of the worst three hour experiences of your life. 

QuoteSpeaking for myself and my good friend gobash, we didn't leave early.  We stood there in the bleachers in the west end zone for every agonizing second of it.  All I'm saying is that the vast majority of that game was like standing there watching Ray Lewis have his way with your girlfriend.  It was awful.  I can understand if people wanted to look away or stop looking all together.  I don't like it, but I can understand it.  There are worse sins to commit than cutting short one of the worst three hour experiences of your life. 

The Ray Lewis analogy...now that is descriptive! ;D

Unlike 1998, the Little Giants don't have to sit like Job on an ash heap contemplating until the following August.  Depauw won, and did so convincingly.  Fortunately Depauw won by playing hard, and without having to rely on stealing signals as occurred in 1998 which made  the time upon the ash heap all the more unbearable.

If the Little Giants ever needed a wake up call, they got one on Saturday.  However, all is not lost.  With a good week of practice and a good game next Saturday in Cleveland, they can take some big steps in the right direction.

Wabash Always Fights!

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 17, 2008, 03:50:45 PM

QuoteSpeaking for myself and my good friend gobash, we didn't leave early.  We stood there in the bleachers in the west end zone for every agonizing second of it.  All I'm saying is that the vast majority of that game was like standing there watching Ray Lewis have his way with your girlfriend.  It was awful.  I can understand if people wanted to look away or stop looking all together.  I don't like it, but I can understand it.  There are worse sins to commit than cutting short one of the worst three hour experiences of your life. 

The Ray Lewis analogy...now that is descriptive! ;D

Accurate...and funny.  Humor helps me cope.   ;)

Quote from: firstdown on November 17, 2008, 04:00:58 PM
Fortunately Depauw won by playing hard, and without having to rely on stealing signals as occurred in 1998 which made  the time upon the ash heap all the more unbearable.

When will the references to the sign "stealing" end?  First, DPU wasn't part of the conference so they were free to scout games in person.  Second, Wabash could have done what nearly any football team with an ounce of sense would have done and use two people to send in the signals or run a player into the huddle with the play.  DePauw was using four people to signal the offensive plays at the game on Saturday.  Third, it was evident to the Wabash students on the chain gang, the Wabash offense and anyone else on the field that DPU's defense was calling out the plays before they were run and Wabash never changed their method.  Fourth, the DPU offense rolled up close to 35 points in the first half without knowing any of the defense's signals.  Finally, the NCAA investigated it and found DPU not guilty. 

Good luck in the playoffs.

There is no question that DPU came out totally focused and driven.  For the entire game, it was clear that they, to use the old cliche, wanted it more.  By far.

This leads many Wabash fans to wonder how this could be?  How could Wabash appear so unfocused and out of it for the Bell Game, for crying out loud?  Add to this the way Wabash totally dominated its opposition all season long, and not a few Wabash fans left the game (and are still) scratching their heads.

A friend of mine who also went to the game picked up a copy of the Bachelor while he was there.  Of course, most of issue was devoted to the Delts.  He suggested that judging from the tenor and content of the articles about the Delt house, the students have been and are deeply affected by what happened on November 6th.   The College's terminating the Delt house so suddenly has thrown the campus for a loop.  Most of the guys are wondering whether their house will be next.  There is a lot of confusion and anger at the College for the way it was done.  Other student publications that I read question whether the College is using the students as a scapegoat for problems the College now has with regard to this issue. 

The death of the freshman at the Delt house and the College's sudden closing of the Delt house, followed by a week of wondering what will happen next, my friend suggests, may well have affected the team, its members (many of whom are probably Delts), and has so preoccupied them that it is no wonder that they appeared to mail it in for the first half.

What may have been inexplicable may have an explanation after all.  We adults who are removed from day to day campus life don't understand at first what drives young men who are there.  We show up for the Big Game, expecting our guys to perform well, without thinking about what problems they may be having in class, in their frats, with their girlfriend, or at home.  A team can cover for a guy having a down week, but when a whole team is having problems.... the same huge problem......  covering is not the issue anymore.  Can't be done.

Anyway, I just wanted to throw this out there.  After having read the Bachelor and the two other publications, I think the issue with the Delt house has affected the guys there a LOT more than we realize.  And it is no small leap from that to understanding that this may explain what the heck happened out there on the field this past Saturday.

DPU came to play, and it played well and deserved the Bell.  No question there.

But maybe our motto of WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS did not desert the team on Saturday.  For the team, and the campus, perhaps there is a more important fight going on than the Bell game.

The campus, and the team as it prepares for Case, have my best wishes and prayers that they all get through this huge mess.

Just a thought.

QuoteAfter having read the Bachelor and the two other publications, I think the issue with the Delt house has affected the guys there a LOT more than we realize.  And it is no small leap from that to understanding that this may explain what the heck happened out there on the field this past Saturday.

Well, there you have it.

QuoteThis leads many Wabash fans to wonder how this could be?  How could Wabash appear so unfocused and out of it for the Bell Game, for crying out loud?  Add to this the way Wabash totally dominated its opposition all season long, and not a few Wabash fans left the game (and are still) scratching their heads.

Are you serious? Do you really want answers to those questions? ???

Congrats to DPU on a great game on Saturday.  The 4 INT's were large, the blocked kick on Wabash's first possession was big, Ellis was better then expected, and Spud and his WR's were as good as advertised.  With that said, I don't know if I can sit and say DPU won the battle in the trenches...I think the DPU O-line did a nice job of protection but most times Spud dropped back and the ball was off.  When the Bash O was on the field, I wasn't sitting there thinking...someone needs to block someone.  I was disappointed Bash got away from Sobecki (and the run game) so early but we were down quick - and it continued to widen.  I was also surprised the Bash D didn't do more adjustments to try to make something happen...press the corners and force DPU WRs in, send a corner, send a safety....due to DPU's game plan, the Bash front just couldn't get pressure before the ball was gone.  It just seemed Bash's D backs and LB's were a step slow all afternoon...I am not sure why.

I would have never predicted this outcome but again congrats to DPU on a great win and great game plan.  It helps to know that Spud is a great kid with a bright future...from a great family - I just wished he would have picked Wabash.

Last, it does help to know that Spud was on a radio interview today on 1260 AM in Indy (JMV's) between 4-5 pm...while he was on his interview...Hudson was walking out to the practice field for another game in the NCAA playoffs.  Luckily, as Firstdown said, a playoff run (just like last year!) will go a long way and we have to turn the page...no other choice.

Wabash Always Fights!  Beat Case!

Da'Bash does play another game next week, but those seniors will never know what it feels like to ring the bell one last time in Da'Bash Red.

QuoteWith that said, I don't know if I can sit and say DPU won the battle in the trenches...I think the DPU O-line did a nice job of protection but most times Spud dropped back and the ball was off.  When the Bash O was on the field, I wasn't sitting there thinking...someone needs to block someone.

I liked the way DPU played up front...but I wouldn't disagree with your take on it...

No Bell? No National Championship? Sounds like a failure of a season to me.

I received notification that the Monon Bell DVD's have been mailed. This year's package is a 2-disc set that includes all of the "Monon Memories" as well as additional vintage Bell stuff...should be pretty cool...also look forward to taking a more critical look at the game...