Any changes in the rules this year? I believe the 3 point line distance is changing. Is it just for men, or both?
just for men
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=39151
Now we have two 3 pt. lines, which so far have had little effect on the men, but what has happened is that the women have subconsciously adapted to the men's line. Bad change. Second rule change has to do with Technical fouls. The misconduct T counts for 3 "bad points" whereas a rule violation T (like calling TO when you don't have any left) is 2 "bad points". Six "bad points" and you're out. This year any ball pinned on the board is considered on the way down -- hence goal tending. Other rules have to do with when the horn sounds after a player fouls out, area that teams must stay in, and some other minor stuff.
Stricter rules on elbows (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2010/association-wide/basketball+rules+committees+recommend+stricter+elbow+contact+penalties_05_05_10_ncaanews)
Just a question regarding rules changes. I had heard the other night watching the Louisville/Butler game that there was a new rule regarding possession after a technical. They said that it is not automatic two shots and possession anymore and that the only way you get possession after the two ft's is if your team was in possession of the ball when the technical was called. Is this rule across the boards in all divisions? I was at the Wooster game last night and there was a technical called on their opponent but I'm pretty sure Wooster had possession when the technical was called so they got the ball after the ft's.
I don't know how "new" it is. It's not a rule change for the 2010 season, but I don't recall when it was changed.
In most cases, resumption of play in the NCAA after the free throws for a technical foul goes to what they call "point of interrruption." That is, if the ball was live, the team with control gets a throw-in at the designated spot nearest the ball when the stoppage occurred. If they were about to shoot free-throws for a personal foul, they shoot free throws. If there was no team possession at the time of interruption, you use the alternating possession arrow.
As always, there are exceptions to this. "Single flagrant" and "single contact dead ball" technical fouls award a throw-in to the offended team at midcourt for men. For women, a technical foul for an "excessive timeout" awards the throw-in to the offended team at the designated spot nearest the ball at the point of interruption.
Should we try and rekindle this topic? Why not when there could be some MAJOR changes coming.
Here are my thoughts on the NCAA men's and women's basketball committee rule change proposals: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2665 (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2665)
You can find more about the men's changes here: http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/men-s-basketball-rules-committee-recommends-package-proposals-improve-game (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/men-s-basketball-rules-committee-recommends-package-proposals-improve-game)
More on the women's changes here: http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/rules-committee-recommends-moving-women-s-basketball-games-four-quarter-format (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/rules-committee-recommends-moving-women-s-basketball-games-four-quarter-format)
Who knows if anyone is reading this thread, but I will keep it updated... rules changes adopted - nearly all of them unfortunetly:
Men - highlights include 30-second shot clock, 4-foot restricted arc under basket (though, that won't appear until '16-'17 season in DIII), and 10 seconds total to advance ball over midcourt (some exceptions): http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game)
Women - highlights include four 10-minute quarters, team fouls to 5 before double-bonus shots (resetting every quarter), timeout changes, media timeout changes, advancing the ball past midcourt in final minute of game: http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-women/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-womens-basketball-adopts-new-rules-including-four-10 (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-women/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-womens-basketball-adopts-new-rules-including-four-10)
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 11, 2015, 11:58:37 AM
Who knows if anyone is reading this thread, but I will keep it updated... rules changes adopted - nearly all of them unfortunetly:
Men - highlights include 30-second shot clock, 4-foot restricted arc under basket (though, that won't appear until '16-'17 season in DIII), and 10 seconds total to advance ball over midcourt (some exceptions): http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game)
Women - highlights include four 10-minute quarters, team fouls to 5 before double-bonus shots (resetting every quarter), timeout changes, media timeout changes, advancing the ball past midcourt in final minute of game: http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-women/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-womens-basketball-adopts-new-rules-including-four-10 (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-women/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-womens-basketball-adopts-new-rules-including-four-10)
Allowing a total of only 10 seconds to advance the ball to the front court (with a few exceptions).
This is new?
Yes... if a team called timeout, the ball went out of bounds, etc., etc., etc. the count reset. Now it won't reset except for a few occasions like the defense knocks it out or there is a technical foul. So imagine a team is struggling to get it into the front court, they have to decide to waste a timeout (say in the first half) or save the timeout and risk it. Then on top of that, when they come out of the timeout, they have whatever time is still remaining in the count - say two seconds - to still get it across midcourt. This is a big change and one I am completely in favor.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Yes... if a team called timeout, the ball went out of bounds, etc., etc., etc. the count reset. Now it won't reset except for a few occasions like the defense knocks it out or there is a technical foul. So imagine a team is struggling to get it into the front court, they have to decide to waste a timeout (say in the first half) or save the timeout and risk it. Then on top of that, when they come out of the timeout, they have whatever time is still remaining in the count - say two seconds - to still get it across midcourt. This is a big change and one I am completely in favor.
The way it reads is that it does reset except for those 3 conditions-the opposite of how you state it.
I would have liked the continuation of the single bonus, maybe for the 1st 2 fouls over the limit and then go to the double bonus.
I see what you mean by the ten-second count reset. I need to research that with others since that will allow the count to still be reset for a timeout - and no one I have spoken with is under that impression. I will update when I get the chance.
And as far as foul shots - I like not continuing the 1-and-1... because now fouling costs you more - two shots. There isn't a ramp up from 5 to 7 (let's say) allowing ticky-tack fouls or an urge to foul just to get the ball back to now cost you more than maybe no points. Two shots can still cost you a point even if you miss the first free-throw. (By the way, it also keeps substitutions easy to figure out - before with the 1-and-1 there could be a substitution before the first shot AND the second shot - time wasting away while it happened.) Better be smart when playing defense.
How will the 10 second (non-reset on ball out of bounds) be calculated? Still in the ref's head? Or will there be a "10 second clock" along with a 30 second clock?
Or, if the shot clock gets to 20 before the ball crosses, then it's a violation?
And in terms of a reset... if it's following the shot clock, then items that would reset the shot clock would likely reset the 10 second clock too (ie foul on the defense).
The shot clock will determine the 10-second count in virtually all situations. That's not new, it's been that way for quite few years. In cases where the 10-second count resets, they will still use the shot clock. They'll just recalculate the 10 seconds from where the shot clock stands.
A little out of my depth here.....but....some input on rule changes.
First, heard from my best friend who follows UConn women BB. States that in the near future in an pre season exhibition gAme, the Huskies will play a game with many new rules applications...including some future ones! Like wider lanes and men size BBalls. seems Gino is behind many of the possible changes...future, etc.
Briefly asked the Amherst HC Hixon several weeks ago what he thinks the impact of any new rules on the men's game. He thought that there will be little impact. Realize that the men's team had a trip to Italy this past summer where thet the team played several club teams...assumed they played pro/European rules.
Hixon doesn't think there will be much impact because in the grand scheme of things, the men didn't change much. 30 second shot clock which will keep the games from dragging out (and an extra possession at the end of games) and got rid of the closely guarded rule (which I hate that change). Otherwise... status quo for the most part.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2015, 02:37:16 PM
Hixon doesn't think there will be much impact because in the grand scheme of things, the men didn't change much. 30 second shot clock which will keep the games from dragging out (and an extra possession at the end of games) and got rid of the closely guarded rule (which I hate that change). Otherwise... status quo for the most part.
I agree, I don't like the elimination for "closely guarded" either. Now, in late game situations, the only thing to do is to foul or try to get a jump ball. This also enables a team to have one player hold the ball in late game situations, instead of necessitating passes (which always have a chance of going out of bounds or being stolen).
Completely agree. I was basically told that since they were lowering the clock to 30 seconds they didn't need the closely guarded rule (WBB doesn't have it, but I have heard coaches were asking to add it - now they are frustrated because the men got rid of it). Nothing will keep an offense from simply dribbling the ball knowing they will have to be fouled to get the ball back - great, more fouling! Nothing rewards the defense for doing a good job! Fouling isn't a good job, but it will become an absolute necessity now and I hate that.
Nothing like lowering the clock to speed up the game while at the same time giving the offense the perfect stall tactic back.
Getting rid of the closely guarded rule has to be one of the strangest rule changes in NCAA history. What were they thinking?
Dave, I never did hear what happens if you are pressed to get the ball into the front court and you call a timeout to avoid the 10 second call. Is the clock reset or not? I assume it is if there is a foul called.
Clock does NOT reset if you call your own timeout. The only time it will reset will be an opponent's foul, tipped out of bounds (I think), items that are not the offense's fault. Though, to be honest I know that is the case on the women's side... I can't remember off the top of my head on the men's side. I am also writing this as I rush out the door to get to a client this afternoon. I will be putting together a Hoopsville rules special... we won't cover everything, but things like this will probably be on there.
2015-16 NCAA Men's Basketball Instructional Video (rule changes): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkm6mrpHpYk
Due to all the changes in basketball this year, I put a special Hoopsville show together. It isn't anything incredible visually, but I talk to members of the rules committees and an AD about the changes: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/rules-special (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/rules-special)
I saw this article about some new rules for the D1 NIT tournament. What are the chances these rules get implemented in the next couple of seasons?
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2019-02-22/college-basketball-experimental-rules-be-used-2019-nit?amp
Some potential extra costs to D3 institutions?
Honestly, I'd love to see college ball (and all basketball) move closer to the FIBA rules. Obviously, I'd want some compromise between the three (college, FIBA, NBA), but I think it's better to have a consistent set of rules at the highest level.
I love the free-flow out of bounds and goaltending rules from FIBA. Not sure I'd want to go to a full 16 foot lane, but maybe 14?
I presume they're experimenting with the FT reset to provide the advantage of quarters that coaches like, without sacrificing media timeouts that TV partners need. It could be a best of both worlds scenario.
A FIBA 3pt line is fine with me - and I suspect that won't be a real stretch for the NCAA at some point.
Resetting the shot clock feels like more headache for clock operators and more chances to slow the game down (with mistakes and referee corrections, etc). I'm not sure it would save much time in the long run.
The resetting of the fouls at 10 minutes feels like something that could happen soon. Lots of people want to move to quarters and this would be a good solution to the problem.