I'm just saying...hard to believe that there isn't even a thread for this conference. They do have two teams in the dance, one of them hosting.
Maybe it will stay alive this time. I think it got eliminated in some automated purge years ago because it hadn't been posted on in 12 months, and never came back.
Well, that was fun.
See ya next year!
Just want to give a shout out the to Thomas More Saints and their senior class of Jill Brunsman, Katie Kitchen, and Allison Long. These 3 girls have done some incredible things these last four years and are looking to end their careers with a bang. Hope all goes well for you ladies and that you have a successful run in the NCAA tourney.
Just a few stats from this class:
4 year combined record of 108-11
Four straight conference regular season and tournament championships.
4 year conference record of 60-2 and undefeated at home in the conference.
Way to go ladies. Keep up the hard work and here's hoping to a successful tournament run.
Thanks for coming in and posting! Hopefully we can get a PAC conversation going, although there are schools in this conference who barely know we exist.
No problem. I have been visiting your sight for 4 years and finally decided to post. I really appreciate the efforts you make to promote the division 3 athletes and their spectacular efforts to play the sports they love! Keep up the good work!
Congratulations to Thomas More's Allison Long on being nominated as a finalist for the Josten's award. Way to go Allison!
Did you watch the Thomas More-Carthage game at all? What is it that the PAC teams lack that would help them compete better in the tourney?
I was at the game. This bracket was a terrible match up for Thomas More. Just the pure size of every team in the quad was going to give them problems with some of the things they try to do offensively and defensively. That said, the game was close until 5mins left in the game. Carthage just flat outplayed Thomas More down the stretch. I think there are plenty of quality teams in the PAC to allow for the top of the conference to be well prepared for tournament play.
The Saints have flourished this season by making a high percentage of 3's and Carthage did a very good job of taking that away. Like all tournaments, the games themselves come down to match ups. You see it at all levels. This particular game did not set up well for Thomas More but I don't think that is an indictment of the conference.
We've released our list of All-Americans. Congratulations to Allison Long.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/03/womens-all-americans
Congrats Alison! Great 4 years. The Saints will miss you.
Congratulations to former TMC Saints head coach Brian Neal who has been named interim head coach for Division 1 Xavier University Women's Basketball program. Go Coach! Know you will do well!
Nice start to the season Saints! Keep working hard and getting better!
Looks like the front court combination of Moss and Burgoyne has been a scoring dynamo for the Saints this year! Well done ladies. Keep up the good work and lets concentrate on the defense a little bit heading into conference play, Ok? ;)
Looks like the Saints have not missed a beat with conference play in full swing! Glad to see the defense picking up a little bit. Keep it going ladies! ;)
Congratulations to the Saints Devin Beasley for being named to the D3 hoops team of the week. Keep dropping those dimes! :D
Well done Saints! Way to stay focused and win the Conference. Now it's time to get busy. Get hungry and show what the Saints are all about!
Congrats Saints on the #1 Ranking. Now, go take it to them in the tourney and earn it on the court!!!!!!!! YOU CAN DO IT!
Good job Saints! Good luck out west. Tough travels but you can do it! Stay focused and play your hearts out! ;)
Congrats Saints on a tremendous season. Tough loss but you'll recover and move forward! Very proud of your efforts!
Congrats to the Saints Sydney Moss, Jenny Burgoyne and Devin Beasley on their all-region selections! :)
Congrats to the Saints and their first final four appearance! Well done ladies! Keep working hard and bring it home!!!!
I am so glad that you keep posting. Maybe we can find some more PAC fans to participate!
Congratulation Saints! Well done. To the seniors- Stephanie and Sydni, way to lead! The program was in good hands with you two. Savor the moment. What a great accomplishment!!!!!!!!
"The off-season is over. The basketball season has arrived, but it can't start without Hoopsville hitting the air! Tune in tonight as Dave talks to the two preseason number one teams, touches base with a major coaching change, checks in with the men's basketball National Committee chair, and previews the Northeast Region.
Show starts at 7PM ET! www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/nov12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/nov12)
Guests include:
- Grey Giovanine, head coach for #1 Augustana men
- Jeff Hans, head coach for #1 Thomas More women
- Brian Van Haaften, men's basketball committee chair and head coach for Buena Vista
- Trevor Woodruff, head coach for Scranton women
- Matt Noonan, Northeast Regional Reporter"
You can also catch up on the Hoopsville New Rules Special we did and published yesterday. We chatted with:
- Bill Raleigh, Southwestern Assistant Athletic Director and former men's basketball coach along with being on the men's rules committee
- Brad Duckworth, Alverno Athletic Director and women's head coach along with being the current chair of the women's rules committee
- Tim Fitzpatrick, Coast Guard Athletic Director
You can watch or listen to that show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/rules-special (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/rules-special)
AND BIG NEWS... Hoopsville has added Sunday shows to this year's November and December schedule. That means the show will air Thursdays and Sundays from the beginning of the season until the end. Each show will air at 7pm ET (unless noted) with a few shows in November and December being canceled due to holidays or other responsibilities (i.e. Gagliari Trophy and Stagg Bowl Week).
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Any word on what's up with Thomas More and Sydney Moss? Noticed she is not playing and a statement on TMC web site saying she is being held out pending an NCAA review. I hope whatever is up is resolved quickly, she is fun to watch!
Alright, folks -- the NCAA's first women's basketball regional rankings are posted. Check out the full list from D3hoops.com:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Acknowledging that I don't spend a lot of time tracking D-III women's hoops, I have to ask...
I think I'm looking at W&J finishing the year 22-5, losing only to the defending National Champion Thomas More (2x in PAC season, 1x in PAC championship game), and to Regionally ranked Carnegie-Mellon (opening night) & LaRoche (a team the Presidents also beat)....
And I'm hearing/reading that 22-5 with that resume won't get W&J in the field as an At-Large team, that the only path to the NCAA tournament for W&J is to win the PAC title....am I reading/hearing that right?
Guess I was hearing/reading that correctly...
Very sad. The conference with the greatest player in D3 history (men or women) can't generate more than a single post over her entire senior season. ::)
Folks, Sydney Moss will never come again. She was the MOST dominant player in the history of D3 (men or women) and there is NOTHING?
Very sad.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2016, 11:26:57 PM
Very sad. The conference with the greatest player in D3 history (men or women) can't generate more than a single post over her entire senior season. ::)
Folks, Sydney Moss will never come again. She was the MOST dominant player in the history of D3 (men or women) and there is NOTHING?
Very sad.
I would say I'm a bit surprised nothing has been said about Moss this season really (other than the sitting out at the beginning). But on the other hand I wouldn't call it a huge deal because she and her team get local coverage and their fan support looks to be great as well. Yes it would be nice for us all that hang out here on the message board to have more chatter but what she and her team is doing is by no means going unnoticed.
What a season of Division III basketball and it isn't quite over with yet! The men might have crowned their championship, but the women have one more game to go.
On this episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh looks back at the two championship weekends with help from Ryan Scott, Gordon Mann, and Adam Turer. We look at the championship for St. Thomas and the near perfect miss by Benedictine. We also take a look at the two semifinal games in women's basketball and the upcoming championship between St. Thomas and Tufts to be played in Indianapolis.
Dave also talks to Page Moir, head coach for Roanoke, who suddenly announced on Tuesday he is stepping down from the position and looking for something new to challenge him.
You can watch the show in its entirety or listen to the podcast above.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Page Moir, Roanoke men's coach
- Keith Bunkenburg, No. 2 Benedictine men's coach
- Steve Fritz, St. Thomas athletics director and former men's coach
- John Tauer, No 1. St. Thomas men's coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com Mid-Atlantic reporter
- Gordon Mann and Adam Turer, women's semifinals report
- Jeff Hans, No. 1 Thomas More women's coach
- Carla Berube, No. 7 Tufts women's coach
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Congrats to the Thomas More Saints. Well done ladies!!!!! What an accomplishment. You should be proud of the hard work and effort it took to achieve your goals. We fans are certainly proud of you!!!!!
Believe it not, the 2016-17 basketball season is just days away. But the season can't start without Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) hitting the air!
Tune in tonight starting at 7pm as Dave talks to the two preseason numbers one teams, finds out how the offseason went for the two defending national championships, and touches bases with the men's and women's basketball committee chairs.
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- Bobbi Morgan, women's basketball committee chair and head coach for Haverford
- John Tauer, head coach for No. 10 St. Thomas men
- Dave Hixon, head coach for No. 1 Amherst men
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Crazy story with a lot of details still coming out, but Thomas More is getting hit with sanctions for a "failure to monitor" violation. Early reports I've read say it stems from Sydney Moss living with an assistant coach during her rehab. Early @D3Hoops reports have the sanctions including a two year probation and vacating wins.
Here is the story: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/11/thomas-more-womens-basketball-ncaa-sanctions
We will update more after the Thomas More presser today.
Story references Moss' rent-free living.
School charged with MAJOR VIOLATIONS.
Ouch.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/othercolleges/2016/11/15/ncaa-announces-sanctions-against-thomas-more/93907266/
Quote from: Bob.Gregg on November 16, 2016, 10:03:03 AM
Story references Moss' rent-free living.
School charged with MAJOR VIOLATIONS.
Ouch.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/othercolleges/2016/11/15/ncaa-announces-sanctions-against-thomas-more/93907266/
The ouch here is for the kids. Because this was preventable, now the Saints get to hear quotes like above from folks who have been waiting to take shots at them.
I'm not saying this is you, Bob. But I do think you know who I am talking about.
Privately, I'll share some information with you that will have you feeling sorry for the kids, who were part of a team that won a Title on the court but you know... had to vacate that.
But just know the NCAA is full of hypocrisy on this one too. Remember Reggie Bush? Yep, USC had to vacate their entire 2005 schedule AND they also had to vacate only two wins from their 2004 National Title season, but NOT the actual National Title. The BCS refused to recognize them as champs, not the NCAA.
I'm pretty sure Reggie Bush received a few more benefits than Sydney Moss did.
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Bob.Gregg on November 16, 2016, 10:03:03 AM
Story references Moss' rent-free living.
School charged with MAJOR VIOLATIONS.
Ouch.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/othercolleges/2016/11/15/ncaa-announces-sanctions-against-thomas-more/93907266/
The ouch here is for the kids. Because this was preventable, now the Saints get to hear quotes like above from folks who have been waiting to take shots at them.
I'm not saying this is you, Bob. But I do think you know who I am talking about.
Privately, I'll share some information with you that will have you feeling sorry for the kids, who were part of a team that won a Title on the court but you know... had to vacate that.
But just know the NCAA is full of hypocrisy on this one too. Remember Reggie Bush? Yep, USC had to vacate their entire 2005 schedule AND they also had to vacate only two wins from their 2004 National Title season, but NOT the actual National Title. The BCS refused to recognize them as champs, not the NCAA.
I'm pretty sure Reggie Bush received a few more benefits than Sydney Moss did.
You shouldn't compare to Division I football... because the NCAA actually does NOT hand out a trophy in that sport. You will not see a walnut and bronze (gold) trophy in FBS football, so I do not know what championship you think the NCAA does or does not recognize. They don't even have one to recognize.
The NCAA certifies bowl games, makes sure the teams abide by all the rules, but do not get a single penny from FBS football. Not a cent. So sure, they don't hand out a trophy, but they are also the scapegoat for a lot of things they shouldn't even be in control of in the first place. Personally, the NCAA should wash their hands of FBS and let them run their own show (which they basically are moving towards).
Believe me, SaintsFan, I get the pain for the kids.
And I know exactly the kind of comments/feelings you're talking about.
But, as you said in the football thread, there is no excuse for an institution so committed to athletics, one rumored to be considering moving to DII, to NOT know this couldn't happen, and not know that once somebody up the chain found out didn't immediately self-report to the League and the AA.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Bob.Gregg on November 16, 2016, 10:03:03 AM
Story references Moss' rent-free living.
School charged with MAJOR VIOLATIONS.
Ouch.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/othercolleges/2016/11/15/ncaa-announces-sanctions-against-thomas-more/93907266/
The ouch here is for the kids. Because this was preventable, now the Saints get to hear quotes like above from folks who have been waiting to take shots at them.
I'm not saying this is you, Bob. But I do think you know who I am talking about.
Privately, I'll share some information with you that will have you feeling sorry for the kids, who were part of a team that won a Title on the court but you know... had to vacate that.
But just know the NCAA is full of hypocrisy on this one too. Remember Reggie Bush? Yep, USC had to vacate their entire 2005 schedule AND they also had to vacate only two wins from their 2004 National Title season, but NOT the actual National Title. The BCS refused to recognize them as champs, not the NCAA.
I'm pretty sure Reggie Bush received a few more benefits than Sydney Moss did.
You shouldn't compare to Division I football... because the NCAA actually does NOT hand out a trophy in that sport. You will not see a walnut and bronze (gold) trophy in FBS football, so I do not know what championship you think the NCAA does or does not recognize. They don't even have one to recognize.
The NCAA certifies bowl games, makes sure the teams abide by all the rules, but do not get a single penny from FBS football. Not a cent. So sure, they don't hand out a trophy, but they are also the scapegoat for a lot of things they shouldn't even be in control of in the first place. Personally, the NCAA should wash their hands of FBS and let them run their own show (which they basically are moving towards).
I forgot about the crystal; but I stand behind the ridiculousness of the wording in this case. A major violation is a car or something tangible. She still had her apartment and was paying the lease - she was staying with a family friend in absence of actual family being around.
Where TMC messed up is not asking about this. It's a lack of education and not a "Major Violation". Give me a break.
Yes TMC screwed up, but the major violation is NOT for the initial violation. The major violation is for the inability to monitor the program and keep it above it all. While the NCAA (the Division III committee members actually) who wrote the report said the major violation was the benefit and the length of the benefit, the true major violation was the lack of oversight.
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The head coach failed to monitor the former assistant coach and, once he knew of the arrangement, further explore its permissibility. He also failed to promote an atmosphere for compliance within his program. However, the institution and head coach asserted his failure was a secondary violation. The committee disagrees and concludes that the violation is major.
THAT is the part that is the hammer in this case. THAT is the part the infractions committee truly has a hard time with. While the punishment certainly falls on the initial violation as well, it is that last part that is a major no-no in the NCAA. Failure to maintain oversight of a program, failure to abide by compliance, failure to check to see if something is compliant are all major no-nos in the eyes of the NCAA.
TMC made a mistake, but instead of trying to make sure they were or were not okay with what was later deemed a mistake, they compounded the problem my simply moving on and without worrying about it. That is the part that has now bite them. Had they checked and then self-reported, they would have gotten a slap on the wrist, Moss probably would have had to sit out a few games (at worst), and she never would have been deemed ineligible for any games let alone an entire season. Had Jeff Hans simply asked a simple question to someone in the department... we wouldn't be talking about vacated games or a national title.
The opening day of the 2015-16 basketball season started with a bang. The NCAA announcing major violations by Thomas More which resulted in vacating the entire 2014-15 season including the national championship - the first time in the history of Division III basketball, men or women. Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), continuing coverage of the fallout of that decision including an exclusive one-on-one interview with Coach Jeff Hans of Thomas More.
Plus we take a look at the start of the season and talk with Claremont-Mudd-Scripps women's basketball who is no longer flying under the radar. We also talk to the Trine women who want to take control of the MIAA. Plus we hear from two men's coaches starting anew at Case Western Reserve and SUNY-Canton.
Hoopsville airs live starting at 7:00 PM ET. You can watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/nov17
Guests include:
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- Jeff Hans, No. 4 Thomas More women's head coach (exclusive interview)
- Kristen Dowling, No. 24 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps women's head coach
- Ryan Gould, Trine women's head coach
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IMHO, the NCAA screwed Thomas More over a 'Tempest in a Teapot'. If it is true that Sydney Moss was still paying rent on her apartment during this period, then the only 'benefit' was board - and I'd imagine her childcare and other help more than covered that. And if it is also true that she couldn't stay in her apartment because she couldn't handle the stairs, then I salute the coach (who was a family friend since long before Moss went to TM) for having the decency to provide her with an alternative. This reminds me of when Indiana had to play Kentucky (the most penalized bball team in D1 history) without Steve Alford, because he was suspended for posing (free) for a sorority calendar (proceeds to charity). I've rarely seen any evidence that the NCAA enforcement folks have ANY common sense.
Thank goodness my mom was not an athlete. She attended college during The Depression. She came from a family in Iowa which never had many resources, yet which sent all four of her older brothers to college. There is no way she could have afforded college except that a U. of Maine professor gave her 'free' room and board in return for some childcare and some housekeeping - sound familiar? (And thank goodness he did - otherwise there is little chance my dad from Maine and my mom from Iowa would have ever met! :D) I suppose even the NCAA enforcement folks might have let that one slide since the professor was one of her older brothers, but the scenario is not THAT dissimilar.
What really comes out of this is the notion that D3 needs different rules for athletes. Yes, rules like this exist because people do abuse them, but if you're going to spend all the time and money doing an actual investigation, perhaps you could charge those people with figuring out motive, too, right? The spirit of d3, in the vast majority of member schools, is that we don't treat athletes any different than any other student. This is the kind of thing many professors, coaches, etc, would do for any student - and it's the kind of thing I'd hope we'd want to promote, not prevent.
The holidays brought us many presents in Division III basketball. From upsets to impressive performances, many teams made an impression. As a result, there is plenty to recap as Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) returns to the air after the holiday break.
Join Dave as he talks to guests around the country and recaps an incredible few weeks - or tries to recap. From an assistant coach who made a life saving decision, a women's coach who has been fighting cancer without missing time with his team, to coaches around the country who have teams that have many wondering ... just how good are they?
With the midseason return of Hoopsville comes with it some of the more structured aspects of the show. For starters, Thursday nights are dedicated primarily to the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions for guests. Tonight also sees the season debut of the "WBCA Center Court" which is a segment that allows viewers to learn more about coaches and what they are involved in outside of basketball.
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Guests include (in order of appearance):
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- Brian Newhall, Occidental men's coach
- Guy Rancourt, No. 6 Lycoming men's coach
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Women's first regional rankings of the season are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third
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The Road to Rochester and Salem are nearly complete. Only thing left is to actually hit the road and get the teams, media, fans, and others to their respective championships.
It was a thrilling and, maybe, shocking Sectionals Weekend in Division III. For the women, quite a few exciting games, but four of the top five teams in the country advanced to the Championship Weekend.
Not so much on the men's side. Only one ranked team is headed to Salem. Two weren't even receiving votes in the last Top 25 poll. And two have never been to the final four. Only one host got out of their own gym by cutting down their own nets. It was crazy.
On Sunday night's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave and guests try and break down what happened this weekend and what we might be able to expect in Rochester and Salem. Who came up big, who had the bounces go their way, and more. Guests from four of the eight teams will also discuss their roads and initial thoughts on knowing they are two wins away from a national championship.
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Seems like not too many tears have been shed with the announcement of Thomas More joining that bandit organization also known as the NAIA.
If and when they join ... they are accepted and have already announced it wouldn't happen until at least 2019-20... giving them a final year to try and find a new home.
But the PAC wasn't shedding a tear when they left the conference LOL
#1 - Heard 3rd hand that the PAC kicked them out and allowed them to resign to save face - really not something the PAC wants to air out anyway - probably just ready to be done with it for many reasons. Time, money, ridiculous competitive disadvantage competing against an NAIA program LoL
#2 - Could it be that the NCAA came down so hard on them because the whole apartment/Moss thing was just what they could most easily prove?
Your No. 1 seems to be the understood-but-unofficial story of what happened.
2 is pure speculation. Who knows?
They are in a black hole, geographically-speaking. The NCAC and SAA see themselves as high-academic conferences, so not an option. Gotta believe that they tried the HCAC and OAC and must have been turned down-because we would have heard about it long ago otherwise. SLIAC already has an outlier in Spalding and no one would ever again play in the NCAA Tournament in any sport from the SLIAC if they let TMC in anyway, plus no football in the SLIAC. The USA-South already has 1.2 million member schools and, after the short trips to Berea and Maryville, the next closest schools are probably Brevard at 5.5 hours and Agnes Scott (can't wait for THAT WBB matchup!) at 6.
OAC and HCAC are literally their only options for remaining a D-III institution - and it's a real stretch to imagine either one giving it anything more than a chuckle.
Philosophically, doesn't D-II make more sense for TMC? They want to be seen as an elite school - and sports is the driving force behind trying to forge that identity. The NAIA has been bleeding schools for years. Hell, I'll bet 90% of all D-II schools were NAIA prior to 1988. The NAIA just whittled basketball down from two divisions to one and tried to spin it as a good thing. I've always thought of today's NAIA as being made up of basically three types of schools:
- Church schools that want to avoid playing on Sundays and don't care if their athletes miss class to do so (take your pick)
- Schools that cannot pass muster with the NCAA due to academic and/or financial reasons (Rust, Voorhees, Edward Waters, Florida Memorial)
- Schools that are isolated either geographically (USC Beaufort) or have nowhere else to go (apparently Thomas More)
And the HCAC members have had their chance to include Thomas More in the past and have declined.
The financial outlay to participate in NCAA Division II is fairly significant, and they would need a D-II conference to sponsor them in order for them to apply for membership. One of the best possibilities just gave an open spot to Benedictine, instead.
Another question is what kind of candidate for D-II Thomas More would make while it's on probation in Division III.
The OAC should want Thomas More for competitiveness purposes, but of course, the OAC has 10 schools and an 11th would cause all sorts of problems in terms of scheduling.
Thomas More just has baggage that I can see would cause conferences to think twice.
Enginerd:
Good points but I think Pat is correct...NCAA DII is still the NCAA and they will continue to make T. More's life uneasy for as long as they can.
In all honesty, Thomas More probably started their audition for NAIA membership about 8 years ago.
Schools in Kentucky sure have a thing for testing the NCAA & it never does quite work out for them.
Speaking of KY schools. It will be interesting to see how long it takes Berea to start winning big (and pissing everyone off) due to the fact that everyone goes there for free. I didn't pay much attention but I think they were probably the best team in the USA South this year by far but were ineligible. When a school goes D-III there is always a noticable drop-off in talent (see Covenant, Pfeiffer and Brevard) but you won't see that at Berea. They will win a national championship in SOMETHING sooner rather than later. I wouldn't be surprised to hear they tried the OAC and HCAC as well. That's a BRUTAL drive from Berea to Raleigh, NC.
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The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.
Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathonThis year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.
The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.
Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):
- Conner Delaney, Johns Hopkins men's senior
- Frank Marcinek, Susquehanna men's coach
- Dan Krikorian, Chapman men's coach and Co-Host of "Slappin' Glass" podcast
- Minority Coaches Panel:
- Larry Anderson (MIT men's coach)
- Kam Gissendanner (La Roche women's coach)
- Jason Harris (UMass-Boston men's coach)
- Gary Stewart (Stevenson men's coach)
- Gary Stewart, Stevenson men's coach and NABC Board member
- National Committee Chairs:
- Michael Schauer, Wheaton men's coach and men's committee chair
- Megan Wilson, Luther Associate AD and women's committee chair
- Dan Kenny, John Jay men's sophomore and volunteer firefighter
- Jina DeRubbo, Washington & Jefferson women's coach
- Cameron Hill, Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Stephen Gabel, Nazareth men's senior
- State of DIII with Louise McCleary, Interim Vice President for Division III
- Jim Haney, Division III Men's Officiating Coordinator
- Fred Roggin, NBC4 LA Sports Anchor and AM570 LA Sports Host
- Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Gordon Mann and Scott Peterson
- "Happy Hour" with friends of Hoopsville and D3 basketball