http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6i0YqJw1oc&feature=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6i0YqJw1oc&feature=fvwrel)
This young man breaks it down for you. ::)
interesting take from a player's perspective.
Four years at a D-3 school and apparently he still doesn't get it. ::)
I bet if a player from Mount Union or Wabash or Wheaton or UMHB addressed this topic, the tone and comparisons would be vastly different -- and lots more positive of Division III. As it is, the guy in the video went to Hiram, a team that got perennially beaten up in a mid- to lower-range D3 conference (in terms of strength).
I'm not surprised that he's going to complain about his team not being good top to bottom or about the facilities and equipment being to his liking. Division III schools are all different, and some programs pour more money and resources into their programs than others do. Hiram is not one of those programs, at least it wasn't while this athlete was playing. His primary fault is that he paints the whole of Division III with a broad brush, and his team's lack of success at this level certainly has clouded his perception.
His balance is also lacking when he compares the mentality and experience he had at Hiram with that of players from D1s like LSU or Texas. Maybe drawing comparisons with teams like New Mexico State or Washington State would have been more appropriate in terms of what those players felt after four years of college ball, during which wins were scarce.
I posted a comment on the young man's Video on YouTube this morning, basically summarizing what what Ryan said below, and now the video has been removed from YouTube...
:-\
Very well said, Ryan. +1
Bummer...I was curious what the fella said. Too bad it was taken down.
Sometimes student-athletes need to be reminded, it's Division III. Nothing is making you play. If you don't like it, leave.
What dlip finds so amazing about the D3 football player (D3 athlete in general) is the amount of commitment and responsibility these students make across the board. They get no money, very little fanfare/notoriety on more than a local level (not even that in some cases), they are many times held to higher moral standard than the average student, and they have to bust their tails on the field and in the classroom. Personally speaking, dlip didn't have that type of maturity during his college years and pissed away the opportunity to play a D3 sport. Dlip is not saying that no D1 athletes do this, but if you look at the picture a a whole, to dlip, these D3 student athletes are so special.
dlip, I certainly agree on the kudos to d3 athletes, but no need to bash d1 athletes to do this. There are not just some d1 athletes who 'bust their tails on the field (even more so, with longer seasons in most sports) and in the classroom', the great majority do that. All the attention goes to the (comparative) handful who do not. In football and men's basketball, all too many d1 schools are just minor leagues for the NFL and NBA, but even there a majority of the rosters are every bit as dedicated as d3 student-athletes, and in most other sports that is almost universal. (I taught my whole career at Eastern Michigan - and was a TA at U of Michigan before that - there were a handful of football and men's basketball players who were just simply not college material, but in 34 years at EMU I can't recall a single female soccer player who ever got below a B in any of my classes, and I was a very tough grader! ;))
Dlip does not think he bashed the D1 athlete at all in his post. If it came across that way that was clearly not his intention. Dlip reread what he wrote and can't seem to find his D1 "bashing" anywhere??? The only difference dlip touched upon was the lack of spotlight and attention many of the D3 get in comparison to their D1 bretheren. Union Hockey and football are perfect examples of this. Regardless, he stands by his respect and admiration of the D3 athlete. **** Ypsi, the only one dlip kind of insulted here was himself pal :).
Sorry if I misunderstood, dlip. I took "Dlip is not saying no d1 athletes do this" as meaning that very few do this.
Smed thinks that self-referential third person makes a message hard to read! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apa0nG1OfUc
Quote from: smedindy on August 02, 2012, 01:26:36 PM
Smed thinks that self-referential third person makes a message hard to read! ;)
I've always thought so too, but I gave up that fight a long time ago ;)
It's the Liberty League way.
Another big difference between DI and DIII is the amount of pressure head coaches receive to succeed. I don't think I've ever read a case where DIII coaches were fired solely on not producing a winning team. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but if it does...it's VERY rare in DIII. It seems to take a coach stepping down/retiring or taking another job elsewhere to produce any sort of turnover at the head coaching position at the DIII level.
Then you look at a DI school like Notre Dame where, since Lou Holtz retired, each coach seems to be given only 5 years to produce a winner. If they don't then they are shown the door. Then the next soon-to-be exFighting Irish head coach takes his place.
DIII coaches seem to have a MUCH longer leash when it comes to producing a winning program.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 16, 2012, 10:33:40 AM
Another big difference between DI and DIII is the amount of pressure head coaches receive to succeed. I don't think I've ever read a case where DIII coaches were fired solely on not producing a winning team. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but if it does...it's VERY rare in DIII. It seems to take a coach stepping down/retiring or taking another job elsewhere to produce any sort of turnover at the head coaching position at the DIII level.
Then you look at a DI school like Notre Dame where, since Lou Holtz retired, each coach seems to be given only 5 years to produce a winner. If they don't then they are shown the door. Then the next soon-to-be exFighting Irish head coach takes his place.
DIII coaches seem to have a MUCH longer leash when it comes to producing a winning program.
true, but at most D3's sports of any kind bring in tuition paying students. As far as football in D1(Especially ND) it pays the bills. Success keeps the crazy alums away from your door and the donations flowing.
Quote from: newcardfan on August 16, 2012, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 16, 2012, 10:33:40 AM
Another big difference between DI and DIII is the amount of pressure head coaches receive to succeed. I don't think I've ever read a case where DIII coaches were fired solely on not producing a winning team. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but if it does...it's VERY rare in DIII. It seems to take a coach stepping down/retiring or taking another job elsewhere to produce any sort of turnover at the head coaching position at the DIII level.
Then you look at a DI school like Notre Dame where, since Lou Holtz retired, each coach seems to be given only 5 years to produce a winner. If they don't then they are shown the door. Then the next soon-to-be exFighting Irish head coach takes his place.
DIII coaches seem to have a MUCH longer leash when it comes to producing a winning program.
true, but at most D3's sports of any kind bring in tuition paying students. As far as football in D1(Especially ND) it pays the bills. Success keeps the crazy alms away from your door and the donations flowing.
Great point. DI schools are paying for their football players to attend their institution. Unlike DIII where it's the other way around. So I can see why DI schools don't like to see their "investment" do poorly.