It is October 1 - thought I would welcome the Bear for once.
Monon Bell game tickets are on sale at the Wabash bookstore for this year's game against the lost tribe of Dan. What are the odds that Wabash sells more tickets than DePauw?
Check out the blog entry below:
http://blogs.wabash.edu/thegrunge/2013/09/30/monon-bell-game-tickets/ (http://blogs.wabash.edu/thegrunge/2013/09/30/monon-bell-game-tickets/)
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 01, 2013, 10:22:58 PM
Monon Bell game tickets are on sale at the Wabash bookstore for this year's game against the lost tribe of Dan. What are the odds that Wabash sells more tickets than DePauw?
Zilch. Despite the rough start, this is a young team led by an extremely able coach/motivator that could easily be 2-1 (Wittenberg is a monster and I wish you guys luck). The Tigers, who start a lot of freshmen, also have a bunch of injuries (which is not an excuse, just a fact). Change takes time, but the change has begun.
Agree. Lynch did a great job during his last stint with DPU but he had a lot more talent to work with. Give him a couple of years (and if the admin will stay out of his way) and that team will be back to its usual standard.
Nothing against Lynch's bonafides, but this is this year's team. And the Dannys are, well, um...not good.
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 02, 2013, 11:03:59 AM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 01, 2013, 10:22:58 PM
Monon Bell game tickets are on sale at the Wabash bookstore for this year's game against the lost tribe of Dan. What are the odds that Wabash sells more tickets than DePauw?
Change takes time, but the change has begun.
This is welcomed news.... I don't think my liver can withstand too many more blowouts.
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 02, 2013, 11:03:59 AM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 01, 2013, 10:22:58 PM
Monon Bell game tickets are on sale at the Wabash bookstore for this year's game against the lost tribe of Dan. What are the odds that Wabash sells more tickets than DePauw?
Zilch. Despite the rough start, this is a young team led by an extremely able coach/motivator that could easily be 2-1 (Wittenberg is a monster and I wish you guys luck). The Tigers, who start a lot of freshmen, also have a bunch of injuries (which is not an excuse, just a fact). Change takes time, but the change has begun.
If the seating at the new Blackstock could be configured similar to Hollett, then I think Wabash would give you a run for the money from an attendance standpoint. Unless the schools can sell an unlimited number of tickets, we will never know. The policy of limiting attendance has been debated at length in previous years and will most likely come up again. Does anyone have any information regarding the number of tickets Wabash was issued - more, less or same as before?
When I went by Blackstock in late August, there were no visitors stands, at least none that I saw. If that is indeed the case, then the stands are not permanent, which means that they can be moved and expanded based on anticipated demand, much like the temporary stands used for the Bell games at Hollett. In the back of mind, I am thinking that DePauw may not be too motivated to maximize the seating for the Wabash fanbase at this time.
While Lynch was a great hire, the cupboard is barren right now. The Denison game will be a good barometer of where the team is headed this year. A competive game would be a very positive sign.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 02, 2013, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 02, 2013, 11:03:59 AM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 01, 2013, 10:22:58 PM
Monon Bell game tickets are on sale at the Wabash bookstore for this year's game against the lost tribe of Dan. What are the odds that Wabash sells more tickets than DePauw?
Zilch. Despite the rough start, this is a young team led by an extremely able coach/motivator that could easily be 2-1 (Wittenberg is a monster and I wish you guys luck). The Tigers, who start a lot of freshmen, also have a bunch of injuries (which is not an excuse, just a fact). Change takes time, but the change has begun.
If the seating at the new Blackstock could be configured similar to Hollett, then I think Wabash would give you a run for the money from an attendance standpoint. Unless the schools can sell an unlimited number of tickets, we will never know. The policy of limiting attendance has been debated at length in previous years and will most likely come up again. Does anyone have any information regarding the number of tickets Wabash was issued - more, less or same as before?
When I went by Blackstock in late August, there were no visitors stands, at least none that I saw. If that is indeed the case, then the stands are not permanent, which means that they can be moved and expanded based on anticipated demand, much like the temporary stands used for the Bell games at Hollett. In the back of mind, I am thinking that DePauw may not be too motivated to maximize the seating for the Wabash fanbase at this time.
While Lynch was a great hire, the cupboard is barren right now. The Denison game will be a good barometer of where the team is headed this year. A competive game would be a very positive sign.
The problem with the Hollett setup is almost an entire section of DePauw side seating is obstructed view (in the corner by the athletic center, our stands literally angle behind yours). As a result, the DePauw stands will *never* be filled -- even in the event of a sellout, those fans need to stand to see.
DePauw has lost 2 games by 5 points. As I said earlier, the Witt game was, well, the score says it all.
And be certain that DePauw welcomes Wabash fans. A strong showing on both sides is good for the rivalry.
1837 Tiger - I wholeheartedly agree that the layout at Hollett leaves a lot to be desired. The one set of stands to which you refer is worthless except for a few rows that the top that can see over endzone stands. Given the fact that the visitor stands at Hollett are "fixed", Wabash fits in extra stands where they can. My understanding is that they have to have a "seat" for every ticket they sell, so in order to provide the maximum number of tickets, they build seats where they can, even if people won't want to sit in them. I agree with you that one cannot assess the degree of fan support based on whether all of the seats allocated to the school are filled at Hollett.
If there are not permanent stands on the visitors side of Blackstock, my only point is that DePauw is not locked in to any kind of seating configuration which gives DePauw much more flexibility in determining seating capacity, etc.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 03, 2013, 08:27:34 AM
1837 Tiger - I wholeheartedly agree that the layout at Hollett leaves a lot to be desired. The one set of stands to which you refer is worthless except for a few rows that the top that can see over endzone stands. Given the fact that the visitor stands at Hollett are "fixed", Wabash fits in extra stands where they can. My understanding is that they have to have a "seat" for every ticket they sell, so in order to provide the maximum number of tickets, they build seats where they can, even if people won't want to sit in them. I agree with you that one cannot assess the degree of fan support based on whether all of the seats allocated to the school are filled at Hollett.
If there are not permanent stands on the visitors side of Blackstock, my only point is that DePauw is not locked in to any kind of seating configuration which gives DePauw much more flexibility in determining seating capacity, etc.
Gotcha, Hokie. And thanks!
There have never been as many seats at Blackstock as at Hollett. And, yes, some of those Hollett seats are obstructed. Attendance has always been way up at games in C'ville.
For the past several years, DPU has not come close to selling all its tickets. Last year, at Kickoff the DPU side was embarrassingly empty given the nature of the rivalry. Every Wabash fan on here has expressed the hope that DPU will improve and the Bell Game will be what it once was. There has just been too much instability in the football program for the past 6 or 7 years to give fans reason to get excited, particularly those whose interest is lukewarm except for the Bell Game. Every fan has predicted that Lynch will will coach 'em up. Wabash always wants to win, but it has been too easy recently.
It's true that two of the Tigers' losses this year could have been wins: 3 pts, and 2pts. Wittenberg, well, not there yet. DPU has Denison this weekend. The game should tell us whether Lynch is improving his available talent to win v. a team that upset OWU last week. A couple of wins would jack up Bell ticket sales, of course. And maybe the chance to see the new stadium will entice Tiger fans to the Bell Game.
As long as the DPU students (and alums) believe there is more action and interest in the parking lot -- then the stands will continue to be partially full. (I can recall games when the permanent stands were only 3/4 full.). The opportunity is not only to improve the product on the field,
but also to kindle some level of interest.
Let's not let the results of the last few years distort history. The stands for the 2008 game, at Wabash, were half-empty in the 3rd quarter when your fans realized tailgating is more fun that witnessing a thumping. It does work both ways, and DePauw always sells out its home allotment, as does W.
October 9, 1909 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21793/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LseSuUrSHA
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 05, 2013, 09:53:04 AM
Let's not let the results of the last few years distort history. The stands for the 2008 game, at Wabash, were half-empty in the 3rd quarter when your fans realized tailgating is more fun that witnessing a thumping. It does work both ways, and DePauw always sells out its home allotment, as does W.
Figuring respective game interest by looking at empty bleacher seats is not a really good gauge for either side. The "one seat per ticket" policy has practically guaranteed that both schools over the years have wasted plenty of money installing whole bleacher sections that go completely unused. If the purpose was to have a "full stadium" panorama to use in college marketing - this policy fails miserably. Sadly - the policy probably has more to do with the goals of limiting alcohol overconsumption, in-game and post-game fights, and vandalism that have marred contests in the recent past. Limiting ticket sales which effectively eliminate game-day ticket sales sharply reduce the ability of fans to leave (drink) and return to watch the end of the game. This means that even when the game is a sell out, every fan that chooses mingle, go to the port a john, or leave early is going to leave a nice two foot section of empty metal bleacher for the TV cameras. Throw in a cold or rainy day and you've got plenty of older fans who don't need to stick around until the bitter end. Both schools could probably sell tickets for 125% of available seating and there would still be some bare spots in the bleachers. I imagine both sides have decided, prudently, that creating a made-for-tv packed house game crowd atmosphere is just not worth the risk.
Outlawing Beer Pong at the tailgate still hurts.
A new book is coming out Oct. 29. I was sent a preview of the chapter on the '81 game; very thorough - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/30335/
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 10, 2013, 08:05:17 AM
A new book is coming out Oct. 29. I was sent a preview of the chapter on the '81 game; very thorough - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/30335/
1837 Tiger: Thanks for posting the link. I look forward to hearing more about the book. I would humbly suggest that the author provide a preview to someone from Wabash as well. Getting both sides to endorse the book would be something I would look for. To date, the works that I have read or seen about the Bell game have been well done and balanced, regardless of the school of origin.
Wabndy: As far as I know, both teams install portable bleachers that along with the permanent stands add up to the number of tickets printed. In other words, if every ticket is sold the stands (in theory) should be filled. The stands have to be erected far enough in advance that the schools can't wait to see how many tickets will sell. Now, some fans don't show up, some buy multiple tickets (yes, so that they can leave--to drink (?)-- at half time or at another time), some don't ever sit down; they stand on the track (more at Wabash that at DPU, where they enforce more strictly the idea that everyone should be in a seat except certain categories (cheerleaders, Sphinx Club, et.).
Last year, I think DPU returned as many as 1500 tickets from its share. I could be a bit off, but it was a big number. Think about it this way: a thousand returned tickets is a revenue downfall of $15,000. There have been years when both sides have not sold all their tickets. When the games were close, this was generally by a small number. You are certainly correct about the weather influencing attendance--and now that the Game is broadcast so effectively, those who don't want to sit in the wet and/or cold can stay home in comfort. And most years (not all, there have been times when the tickets are gone) but it's likely dangerous for fans to assume they can show up and get in. If I recall correctly (maybe not), DePauw announced two years ago that there would be no Game-day ticket sales. I can't recall whether Wabash has gone to a like arrangement.
At this point I am guessing that the schools have evaluated how many tickets to print and how many portable stands to put up. When the Game is sold out, or nearly so, it's about a break-even financial proposition for the schools. As last year, when the ticket sales are down, the host school will lose even more money than usual because it bears the burden of setting up the stands, hiring security, getting port-a-johns, etc.
By the way, plenty port-a-johns are inside the fence. No one has to leave to go to the bathroom. (Some may choose to because they don't like portables.) I know fans who purchase multiple tickets so that they can leave and re-enter. Frankly, if people have to go outside to drink, then, well, I'm not sorry they have to buy an extra tricket.
Those of us who have been around the Game for many years remember a time when the crowd was out of of control--and thought that being that way was part of the experience. Hence the beefed up security for over a decade. Hence the fencing and the separation of the two crowds. It's gotten better.
Yes, I know all the hype and insults, but it's a football game that was once close to being interrupted for a few years. Seriously. Watch the end of the game now and see how the teams themselves have helped make the rivalry better. I can tell you for a fact that the year of The Catch, how long ago, during the week of the Game the coaches and teams agreed to meet in the center of the field in the traditional manner to shake hands. That had not happened for a long time--too long. The DePauw team through all its disappointment stood in the middle of the field for the Wabash players to return, and the Wabash players did return for the handshake. When DePauw kicked a field goal on the Game's last play to pull out a victory, the Wabash players stayed to shake hands. Any trouble or potential trouble in recent years has been from students and some others who want to taunt the losing team. This is a heated, beautiful rivalry. Better now and in recent years than it used to be. Lynch will help return it to a more competitive contest--if not this year, we hope soon.
We probably all know fans who purchase both a red ticket and a gold ticket so that they can switch sides a halftime.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled animosity.
Regarding seating at Blackstock, when I drove past the field in August, I did not see any visitor stands - just flat track and open space on the east side of the grounds. If it is a given that there is no permanent visitor seating, is it fair to say that DePauw has the flexibility to provide more / better seating that before?
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 10, 2013, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 10, 2013, 08:05:17 AM
A new book is coming out Oct. 29. I was sent a preview of the chapter on the '81 game; very thorough - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/30335/
1837 Tiger: Thanks for posting the link. I look forward to hearing more about the book. I would humbly suggest that the author provide a preview to someone from Wabash as well. Getting both sides to endorse the book would be something I would look for. To date, the works that I have read or seen about the Bell game have been well done and balanced, regardless of the school of origin.
Pretty certain the publisher sent press materials to both schools, Hokie. The book appears to be right down the middle, as I agree it should be.
Monon Bell Game Ball Relay - the DePauw and Wabash chapters of Phi Delta Theta are going to join forces to raise money for ALS (Lou Gerhig's disease - Gehrig was a Phi Delt at Columbia). A commemorative game ball will be relayed from the steps of the Wabash Chapel and, following the path of the original Monon railroad, will travel backroads through Ladoga, Roachdale, and Bainbridge to Greencastle and Blackstock Stadium. Each of those towns were stops on the former Monon line.
Two companies headed by DePauw and Wabash alumni have tentatively agreed to sponsor the relay and both chapters are working with their respective schools get the details ironed out. Great example of cooperation between the two schools for the common good.
On this day in history --
Oct. 16, 1943 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19445/ & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuPfuIlTBq0
Oct. 16, 1983 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/18850/
DVD of the 120th Monon Bell Classic is planned - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/30363/
Despite not having a dog in the Monon Bell fight, this guy loves the Steuber story. It, along with a myriad of other items, adds heft to the rivalry.
P.S. The undefeated, untied, un-scored upon bit is also appreciated.
Oct. 19, 1895 -
http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21979/ ; video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBtCQu3by6Y
Oct. 19, 1943 (hi, Frank!)
http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/26470/
Oct. 20, 1894 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21998/
Oct. 20, 1913 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21714/
Oct. 21, 1944 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/20463/ ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH_aqUsBfMc
Where would be a good place to park a RV the night before the Monon Bell game?
Thank you in advance
Several years ago DePauw instituted new rules that included when vehicles could enter parking lots near Blackstock Stadium that had traditionally been used for tailgating. I can't recall; are they also charging to park? Cars can't be there before a certain hour Saturday morning, so obviously no overnight parking there. Best bet is to keep looking on the DPU site to see what they announce for this year. I don't guess they are going to go back to more open policies. Maybe even worth a call to Athletics there to see what's going to happen--although the answer might be Keep looking at the football or athletics site. I don't know what the G'castle police willl allow if you are there Friday in a public location.
Just another day in the kingdom to the south.
There's this -- http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/30312/
If you have parking ?'s, I'd call the athletic dept # at the bottom of that piece.
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 28, 2013, 11:07:57 AM
There's this -- http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/30312/
If you have parking ?'s, I'd call the athletic dept # at the bottom of that piece.
Thank you!
Quote from: bashgiant on October 27, 2013, 01:09:25 PM
Where would be a good place to park a RV the night before the Monon Bell game?
Thank you in advance
30 Miles to the north there is a great place to park.
Did you guys miss me?
I am really happy to see that the conversations I have missed involved stand configuration and those people who don't watch the game. The important issues. Just a quick thought, how many fans from each school attend the watch parties? Do you think that the number of people (specifically alumni) in the stands is related to the number that live within 100 or 200 miles of the schools?
DPUIrish1 and I were talking about DePauw this weekend, and specifically the 1933 Team. Not only was this the nation's last college football team to complete a season undefeated, untied, and unscored upon, but it was also the first time the Monon Bell was awarded to the winning team. That was 80 years ago. Can the Tigers stir the ghosts of Coach Raymond "Gaumey" Neal's Tigers for a win? I would like to think they can. (Interestingly, he went 7-1 in 1934, with PF=175 and PA=13; 7-1 in 1937, with PF=159 to PA=19; and, 5-0-1 in 1943 with PF=206 to PA=6).
Oh yeah, Dabash still Sucks.
BB
As to the publishing of a new book on the Monon Bell Rivalry, another book on the same topic, entitled "Scarlet Saturdays," was published in 2009. You can check it out at this link:
http://www.publishamerica.net/sc/productsearch.cgi?storeid=*24adc608a4d4335a1575c341fbaf7811634e6084
Quote from: smithp08 on October 30, 2013, 09:50:03 PM
As to the publishing of a new book on the Monon Bell Rivalry, another book on the same topic, entitled "Scarlet Saturdays," was published in 2009. You can check it out at this link:
http://www.publishamerica.net/sc/productsearch.cgi?storeid=*24adc608a4d4335a1575c341fbaf7811634e6084
That one is decidedly partisan, which is great for your side. I can say after scanning Tyler's new work that it should please both sides.
That brings us to This Day in History - 10/31/1896 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21969/ ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utMTskGJXs4
Just saying, the idea for a book about Wabash vs. Depauw was done 4 yrs. ago.
Quote from: smithp08 on November 01, 2013, 11:53:52 AM
Just saying, the idea for a book about Wabash vs. Depauw was done 4 yrs. ago.
I'm pretty sure there was a book done several years before that as well. And then probably even a book many years before that I'm not aware of. And there will be other books written about it down the road.
Yeah, I have a book in my collection about it from about a decade ago or so....
Gaumey Neal is an amazing story. He graduated from Wingate High School (which won two Indiana basketball championships in the teens), about 15 or so miles northwest of Crawfordsville, with Pete Thorn. Together, they enrolled at Wabash. Though neither played football at small Wingate, they both lettered four years at Wabash. In fact, Thorn is the only athlete in Wabash history to earn 16 varsity letters. Somehow (I've never been able to figure out EXACTLY how--though rules were more lax in those days) Gaumey then turned up at Washington and Jefferson College, where after playing football for four years at Wabash, he competed on the W & J team that played in the 1922 Rose Bowl.
The first Monon Bell Game ended in a tie. DePauw won the second: how fitting, a Wabash guy coaches the DePauw team that earns the first Monon Bell victory. So, Neal played at Wabash and coached at DePauw (for 15 or 16 years if am recalling correctly). He is in the Wabash Hall of Fame, the DePauw Hall of Fame, and the Washington and Jefferson Hall of Fame.
Probably because of situations like Neal's do we have the four years of eligibility rule.
Yes, I agree. Does anyone know--anyone from Wabash, anyone from DePauw--know how Gaumey got to W & J? I see only his coaching record, but he was obviously a great coach. Jake Martin, a Wabash alumnus, is the HC in baseball at DPU. Matt Walker hired him (well, I'm sure he had to have the consent of the DePauw administration), and it's been a good hire. He took the helm when Walker departed as baseball coach.
Walker is Head football Coach at UW River Falls. His team continues to struggle in the tough WIAC. This is fantasy: I wonder what would happen if he leaves River Falls and is interested in staying in football. Is there a chance he might be interested in returning to C'ville as an assistant coach for a couple of years--at Wabash. He parents and brother still live in the Athens of the Midwest. Of course, this fantasy presupposes a lot of decisions by Matt and Wabash. Would Matt consent to being an assistant? Would Wabash hire a guy from DePauw? Etc, etc. I know this--the guy can coach.
Personally, I'd love to look down and see him in Scarlet, looking across at Old Gold and Black. I'm supposing many of his supporters would as well. Fantasy, but fun to contemplate.
November 4, 1907 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHG2Wln2BW8
November 5, 1892 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/22043/
First look at the 10-day forecast in Greencastle on game day: cloudy and 49 degrees, 10% chance of rain (isn't there always), and winds of 9 mph. With the new rug in Blackstock, rain won't be an issue for the running game. If you adhere to the adage that bad weather helps the underdog, put one more check in the Wabash column.
I think Lynch will have the resurgent Tigers primed and ready. If Wabash beats Witt this week, all sorts of theories will be exposited this week, especially if there are any injuries coming out of that game. With a win, Wabash is in the playoffs no matter the outcome of the Bell game. Not that it should matter - the Bell game is the Bell game. A Wabash loss to Witt makes next week's game a MUST MUST win for Wabash.
In prior years, both teams have come into this game undefeated with a playoff spot guaranteed only to be whacked by the underdog.
This year, unless Wabash's defense misses the bus to DePauw, Wabash wins this game. The health and performance of the offense will determine whether this is a win, a beatdown, or a complete monkey-stomp. Given the Tigers performance this year, at least there is reason for hope on the home side, more so that in the past three years.
Quote from: sigma one on November 02, 2013, 08:47:01 AM
Walker is Head football Coach at UW River Falls. His team continues to struggle in the tough WIAC. This is fantasy: I wonder what would happen if he leaves River Falls and is interested in staying in football. Is there a chance he might be interested in returning to C'ville as an assistant coach for a couple of years--at Wabash. He parents and brother still live in the Athens of the Midwest. Of course, this fantasy presupposes a lot of decisions by Matt and Wabash. Would Matt consent to being an assistant? Would Wabash hire a guy from DePauw? Etc, etc. I know this--the guy can coach.
That ain't gonna happen.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 07, 2013, 07:32:39 AM
This year, unless Wabash's defense misses the bus to DePauw, Wabash wins this game. The health and performance of the offense will determine whether this is a win, a beatdown, or a complete monkey-stomp. Given the Tigers performance this year, at least there is reason for hope on the home side, more so that in the past three years.
Wabash is beatable. Last year DePauw had next to no chance. I thought it had go 100% perfectly for DePauw to even be in that game late. That obviously did not occur. Wabash's offense has had some struggles. It's possible they fight that battle again against DePauw. If that happens and DePauw doesn't give points away to Wabash's D and specials, then they'll be in it. DePauw won't score three or four times against Wabash's defense, even with the large improvement DePauw has shown throughout this season. I'm just calling a spade a spade there. Wabash's defense is just too good for anbody to get to 24 or 28. DePauw may not score twice, frankly. All that said, it's a pretty typical game plan for any underdog - control the turnovers & specials and make Wabash beat you the old fashioned way by making 10 yards in 3 tries. Either DePauw makes stops or they don't.
Wes
I have great respect for Coach Lynch and the job he is doing in breathing life into the program at DePauw. As they say, anything can happen on any given Saturday. However, Wabash will be the most difficult opponent that they will face this year, and brings it on every play on offense, defense, and special teams.
Unlike 1998, when Slick Nick did his signal stealing gambit, Coach Lynch is a gentleman. Just in case, Wabash uses different signals each week anyway.
Quote from: firstdown on November 07, 2013, 10:45:30 AM
However, Wabash ... brings it on every play on offense, defense, and special teams.
Two of those things are true. One of them has not been entirely true at all times during this season. That's my point. This is not an unbeatable team. It's a really good team. I've said that on the North Coast board a lot this year. I like their offensive scheme. I like the Q. I like what they're doing, they just get in funks where they don't execute offensively. If DePauw can get them in a funk, they can win. They have to make Wabash beat them by driving the ball down the field and putting it in the end zone. It's possible Wabash can still do that against DePauw. If Wabash can't move the football for big yards and points, DePauw doesn't turn it over deep in their own end or for scores, and doesn't give a score in the specials, they'll be there at the end. I'd say the chances that all three of those things actually happen aren't that great. DePauw turns it over. They aren't overwhelmingly spectacular in the specials. But, if they do those three things, they can defintely win.
Wes
Wabash has been very good with all 3 phases of the game in every game. If you are referring to the game with Oberlin, the "funk" that day was that the team was either down with or recovering from the flu, and a number of starters out with injuries. Everyone is now healthy, and with the exception of the season ending injuries, will be a full strength as well. Due to its next man up spirit, and the fact all lot of players have gotten a playing time this year, Wabash has developed a good amount of depth as well. The loss of two 1,000 yard plus running backs would devastate most teams, but Stella, Klembara, Porter, and Gibson have stepped in and are averaging 170 yards per game. Finally, it is the Monon Bell Game, and while Wabash is focused totally on this Saturday, they won't be in a "funk" next week for the Bell Game.
Wes, I know that ain't gonna happen. That's why I used the word "fantasy."
Quote from: firstdown on November 07, 2013, 11:26:52 AM
they won't be in a "funk" next week for the Bell Game.
You can't possibly predict that. I can't predict that they will be, either. I haven't predicted anything. DePauw has to do three things to win. Answering that with "well lol nope" isn't really saying much. I know that Wabash is good. I know that they are better than DePauw. This will be the third time I've said that to you. That doesn't mean that if they play 1000 times, Wabash wins all 1000. There's a game plan to beat this football team. You don't need to be bigger, faster, or stronger to do it, either. Make them start their drives from their own side of the field, don't turn the ball over, and kick the football out of bounds. I think those 3 probably holds Wabash under 20. I don't think Wabash is good enough offensively to start 5 scoring drives from their own 20. I just don't see it. They haven't called nearly enough explosive plays for my liking against the decent opponents, mostly because they don't need to. Their opponents give them enough scoring through turnovers and specials that it's just not necesary. Make Wabash uncomfortable on offense. Make them 60 yards over and over again. Then you're in the game. That's my point. DePauw can either do those things and hang around or get their brakes beat off again.
Just a quick drive by here...I'll have plenty of Wabash/DePauw talk after Saturday. But the ol' "they're the best team you've played this year" yarn is not a particularly good take. Everything about that might be true, but none of it precludes the team who is playing "the best they've seen this year" from winning. Not sure how many times we've seen the dog in this game pull off such a feat (2007, 2008, 2010 immediately spring to mind). Heard that same talk building up to the North Central playoff game in 2011. I'm hearing some of it this week. Doesn't matter. Playing the best you've seen this year doesn't mean you can't win.
There are 219 reasons why DePauw is losing a fifth straight Monon Bell Game in 9 days. One of them is not that Wabash is better than anybody else that they've seen this year.
Wally
I tried to select my words carefully. Wabash will be a "difficult" team to play because DePauw will have to play all three phases of the game flawlessly in order to win.
DePauw has already already played a very good Wittenberg team that had something to prove after the Butler game. DePauw came away with less than favorable results. So much for all of this, and, as I said, this Saturday is the only game that matters.
Quote from: Old Pal Wes on November 07, 2013, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: sigma one on November 02, 2013, 08:47:01 AM
Walker is Head football Coach at UW River Falls. His team continues to struggle in the tough WIAC. This is fantasy: I wonder what would happen if he leaves River Falls and is interested in staying in football. Is there a chance he might be interested in returning to C'ville as an assistant coach for a couple of years--at Wabash. He parents and brother still live in the Athens of the Midwest. Of course, this fantasy presupposes a lot of decisions by Matt and Wabash. Would Matt consent to being an assistant? Would Wabash hire a guy from DePauw? Etc, etc. I know this--the guy can coach.
That ain't gonna happen.
I agree. It might have to be the last coaching position available, in all sports, at all levels, for Walker to take it.
One week out until I make my yearly trip back for the best game of the season. It will be good to get back and see all the changes that DePauw has made on the athletic front.
Anyone else traveling to make the game? What is your attendance number of Bell games? Any traditions?
Before the trash talking starts, I also wanted to invite everyone (Even Cave Boyzz) to stop by our yearly tailgate. It was great to meet a few of the people on this board in person last year, even the knuckle draggers from Crawfordstucky.
It is almost Monon week. Can you feel it?
I am back again to say that the "fantasy" about Walker was just that--I was messing around. Now, about it having to be the last job on earth, as someone says, "not so fast, my friend." Yes, it's not gonna happen. But the thought of it sure made you guys edgy.
Matt has not yet found success at UW River Falls. He probably still has some time left up there. I wish him well, always have, and hope he can build his current team to competitiveness in arguably the nation's toughest DIII conference.
If RFalls is not the place for him over the course of time, I hope he finds a place where he can lead a competitive team. The problem is that he may be in purgatory for a few years, and if he has to look for a HC job, the doors begin to close. He always has baseball on his resume, but all indications are that he prefers coaching football.
Again and again and again so that this is clear: the guy can coach, and my fantasy about his coming to Wabash was in good fun and a nod to that and to his whatever years ago at DePauw.
I am a Walker supporter and a DPU antagonist--and they seem to meld nicely in this case.
This Day in History, November 8:
1919 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21449/
1980 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13705/
1986 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13881/
Quote from: sigma one on November 08, 2013, 10:17:26 AM
I am back again to say that the "fantasy" about Walker was just that--I was messing around. Now, about it having to be the last job on earth, as someone says, "not so fast, my friend." Yes, it's not gonna happen. But the thought of it sure made you guys edgy.
Matt has not yet found success at UW River Falls. He probably still has some time left up there. I wish him well, always have, and hope he can build his current team to competitiveness in arguably the nation's toughest DIII conference.
If RFalls is not the place for him over the course of time, I hope he finds a place where he can lead a competitive team. The problem is that he may be in purgatory for a few years, and if he has to look for a HC job, the doors begin to close. He always has baseball on his resume, but all indications are that he prefers coaching football.
Again and again and again so that this is clear: the guy can coach, and my fantasy about his coming to Wabash was in good fun and a nod to that and to his whatever years ago at DePauw.
I am a Walker supporter and a DPU antagonist--and they seem to meld nicely in this case.
I think Walker was a great coach (Baseball and Football) at DPU, and is a really great guy. Personally, I think DePauw dumping him was a mistake, and he could have become a life long coach in Greencastle. I wish him only the best, and I am sure he will eventually find success. I thought the NCAC was the toughest conference? ;)
Before the mud starts flying, here is some good Monon Bell warm up reading. The two Sports Illustrated articles about the Monon Bell rivalry are must reads for me every year. I doubt that anyone on this board has not read them but, it not, for your reading pleasure, I present to you....
From September 1973 - Sports Illustrated article by John Underwood:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1087757/index.htm (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1087757/index.htm)
From November 1993 - Sports Illustrated article by John Garrity:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138786/1/index.htm (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138786/1/index.htm)
2013 - One for the Thumb - let's make it five in a row.
Anybody home? My fellow alum with the rainbow avatar and I are pretty goddang excited about this football game. Y'all done with the funeral service for yesterday's game or what?
November 10 in Monon Bell History --
1917 - http://t.co/HCPmTfVgsG
1973 - http://t.co/WzZCDuUDtS
1979 - http://t.co/v7ZAxbs5yB
1984 - http://t.co/jsLPP0xG4P
1990 - http://t.co/qf7rCXUa7r
2001 - http://t.co/p3OCnfapbH
2007 - http://t.co/RBVLkAOLIh
Quote from: Old Pal Wes on November 10, 2013, 05:40:34 PM
Anybody home? My fellow alum with the rainbow avatar and I are pretty goddang excited about this football game. Y'all done with the funeral service for yesterday's game or what?
We're done wasting tears of the Old Tigers. Off to blast the New Tigers.
Quote from: Old Pal Wes on November 10, 2013, 05:40:34 PM
Anybody home? My fellow alum with the rainbow avatar and I are pretty goddang excited about this football game. Y'all done with the funeral service for yesterday's game or what?
Wes: The only thing that that loss did for Wabash is to ensure that there will be no "sleeping giant" next weekend. I too am excited because Wabash will be incented to make the Monon Bell game a statement game. The question is - how emphatic will that statement be? Wabash has the capability of hanging another 47-0 on DPU, just like Wittenberg did earlier in the season. We will see on Saturday.
Now - where is the Bear, his caustic wit, and his keyboard that lacks a "w"? Can't seem to spell Wabash too well.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 10, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
Wes: The only thing that that loss did for Wabash is to ensure that there will be no "sleeping giant" next weekend.
One Saturday is not connected to the next. Nothing is certain as far as effort or drive goes. It's a must win for Wabash next week. Both DePauw and Wabash have had those games in this rivalry recently and both have lost in some of those situations.
If anything, Wittenberg was kind enough to show the rest of us how to stop Wabash's offense. That's not "golly we just had a bad day" type stuff that happened yesterday. There are serious issues on the offensive line for Wabash right now with their zone blocking scheme and in their 5 man pass protection. That's a problem that needs to be rectified if they're going to beat anybody, be it DePauw or, heaven forbid, a playoff caliber team. Can't win if you can't block 'em.
Witt did the same thing in 2010. Seven days later....47-0 and three hours of Robby Long face. You know the one.
It's possible that happens again. I have not ruled that out. But, I feel a lot better about it after watching a pretty vanilla Wittenberg defense put the spurs to Wabash's offense. There's good players on Witt's D, don't get me wrong. But, it's not like they were re-inventing the wheel schematically.
As much I appreciate the Monon Bell game and everything that comes with it, I cannot, for the life of me, understand when people say "Yeah well now we're mad because we lost last week so you guys are in real trouble!" You can tell me Wabash just didn't show up yesterday. That's fine. I think it's something different. But if you really think they didn't show up in a game that would guarantee a playoff spot and win the conference outright, what the heck ARE they gonna show up for? If it's a motivation issue, then that's a systemic problem. That's as big as it gets. You're at home facing the team you've fought for titles for a decade in a game to punch your ticket. If you're "not ready" or "didn't show up" or whatever we call it, that's a serious problem that needs to be addressed in that locker room ASAP.
I don't think it had anything to do with not showing up. They played poorly against a good team. If they play poorly again next Saturday, Wabash seriously could get beat. If they play great, they probably don't get beat. But, that same scenario was probably true yesterday. What's the difference other than the team you're playing this week isn't as good? DePauw's defense isn't all that far off from Wittenberg's in most of the major categories. We've had this argument when DePauw was in the SCAC, but now it's validated because it's against the same opponents. I'm not sure you can put Witt's defensive numbers next to DePauw's defensive numbers and truthfully say that Wabash should have a 400 yard, 40 point day. DePauw won't score in the 30s without about a dozen Wabash turnovers. However, Wabash could just as easily struggle on offense as bad as they did yesterday. Then what? It's a Knott-to-Short-tips-to-Casper, a Jordan Havercamp FG, a Frank Knez safety on Spud Dick, or a Robbie Doyle late TD pass to Mark McConnell type play to win the game.
Quote from: Old Pal Wes on November 10, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
They played poorly against a good team. If they play poorly again next Saturday, Wabash seriously could get beat. If they play great, they probably don't get beat.
I'm sure we'll spend a good deal of board space this week talking about all kinds of other stuff and factors and what not...but seriously, what you said right there is the whole enchilada. It's hard to win when you play poorly. Wabash experienced this on Saturday. So did Franklin. I'm sure there are scores of other examples from Division III this year.
I think we can agree that Wabash's good is better than DePauw's good at the moment. But bad-to-average Wabash up against average-to-good DePauw is anybody's game.
Wes, while I have a ton of respect for your knowledge of Div. III football, the Monon Bell, your interest in watching and studying Wabash football from week to week, and your loyalty and excitement for Depauw being able to win 2 more games then they did last season...... But, Come on Man..... Your post:
Quote from: Old Pal Wes on November 10, 2013, 10:47:04 PM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 10, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
Wes: The only thing that that loss did for Wabash is to ensure that there will be no "sleeping giant" next weekend.
There are serious issues on the offensive line for Wabash right now with their zone blocking scheme and in their 5 man pass protection. That's a problem that needs to be rectified if they're going to beat anybody, be it DePauw or, heaven forbid, a playoff caliber team. Can't win if you can't block 'em.
- is a little outside of reality. First of all, it is easy to watch a team play another team that is really good and pull out specific problems with being over matched. But when we look at results against common opponents.... we are quickly brought back to reality:
OpponentHiram - Wabash - W 66-0 Depauw - W 24-13
Wooster - Wabash - W 48-14 Depauw- L 24-27
Gheny - Wabash - W 65-0 Depauw - W 23-7
OWU - Wabash - W 38-13 Depauw - W 23-21
Oberlin - Wabash - W 27-10 Depauw - W 45-11
Denison - Wabash - W 50-13 Depauw - L 21-42
Kenyon - Wabash W 48-7 Depauw - L 26-28
Witt - Wabash - L 17-35 Depauw - L 0-45
Sorry, but Wabash's not so good.... is
still considerably better than your Tiger's good. Que the "Throw the records out the window" or the "Wabash is vulnerable IF" It just doesn't add. Depauw is better this year...(which I am glad to see) but Saturday will show.... they still have a ways to go. Barring a "Franklin Meltdown" with turnovers.... I believe this one will be a tough one again for Depauw faithful.
It's Monday... officially
Monon Bell Week! http://youtu.be/xW74vxcnskw (http://youtu.be/xW74vxcnskw)
Wabash being unable to block anybody against a defense that's similar to the defense you'll face this week is hardly grasping at hope. There is some stuff that needs to get fixed up front before Wabash plays again. That offense would have struggled against a lot of teams Saturday because the OL totally let them down. A repeat performance is going to make things a lot closer than they should be.
DePauw's defense really isn't that bad. They don't blitz a lot, which concerns me. DePauw isn't schematically similar to Wittenberg, but they are pretty similar statistically. Witt did it by playing man and blitzing the heck out of Wabash. DePauw probably can't sit in zone and hope to win.
On the other hand, we all know how good Wabash's defense is. Look at the differences in your post about how many points Wabash gives teams compared to DePauw. It's drastic. They're first in the conference in everything. This game won't be won on the battle between the DPU O and the Wabash D, because we all already know how that's going to go. There will be lots of punts. I just hope some of them are by Wabash. It will be won or lost on DePauw's defense. They can give you a Witt-esque effort. Heck, Witt is second in the conference in most categories and DePauw is third. If you get that same level of defense from DePauw, they can win the thing. If Wabash doesn't figure out how to block the zone, they're in for a long day. That doesn't have much to do with DePauw. There are issues there. I watched linemen whiff all afternoon against Witt. The blitzes and line games gave them fits. Now, if Wabash fixes that, gets the run game going, and DePauw can't get to the Q, it could be a 50 burger. No doubt about it. I'm not ignoring that possibility. If Wabash's O gets rolling, DePauw is going to get buried early.
Go back a couple of pages where I talked at length about it. Go back to the start of that same post you quoted where I said DePauw might get beat 47-0 again. I'm not Mr. Positivity when it comes to DePauw's team. Y'all been around me long enough to know that. I accused them of quitting in 2009. I wasn't very glowing after the 2005 game, either. I don't need to grasp at hope. I'm aware of where we're at here. I'm not saying DePauw is going to win and you're all dumb. I don't think that. I do think this thing can be a heckuva lot more competitive than y'all are giving DePauw credit for.
Fair enough... As always, we shall see...
November 11 in Monon Bell History :
1893 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/22029/
1901 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21952/
1916 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21660/
1967 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13704/
1972 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/18635/
1978 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/18374/
1989 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13708/
2000 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13699/
2006 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/18443/
Look who's beatable.
Losing a game sometimes brings a team that has been on a tear back to earth. That team can either rebound, or feel sorry for themselves, and continue to lose. We can argue records, stats, PPG, special teams, sacks allowed, etc . . . until we are blue in the face, but we all know none of that matters in this game. It is the Monon Bell game.
This is the last chance for many of these players to ever walk onto that field again. Add to that the rivalry, the current losing record in Bell games for Depauw, the new facilities at DePauw, Dabash's most recent failure, Depauw's desire to turn around the program, and any of the other hundreds of story lines, and this game is what it always is, a chance for either team to win. As always, we can just hope Dabash doesn't show up, and Depauw hits on all cylinders.
It is Monon week. Best time of the year.
Failure? Come on. Y'all lost to freaking Kenyon. Don't bring that "failure" noise here.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 11, 2013, 11:04:56 AM
Failure? Come on. Y'all lost to freaking Kenyon. Don't bring that "failure" noise here.
You wouldn't consider a loss in an attempt to go undefeated a failure? I am sure number of Cave Boyzz started the season looking at which games they would lose.
If so, we have a far better chance than I expected.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 01, 2013, 10:22:58 PM
Monon Bell game tickets are on sale at the Wabash bookstore for this year's game against the lost tribe of Dan. What are the odds that Wabash sells more tickets than DePauw?
Check out the blog entry below:
http://blogs.wabash.edu/thegrunge/2013/09/30/monon-bell-game-tickets/ (http://blogs.wabash.edu/thegrunge/2013/09/30/monon-bell-game-tickets/)
Wabash Bookstore reports less than 200 tix remain and going fast. Hope that DePauw fans show up in force. Looking forward to seeing the new field at Blackstock.
Whenever DPU next wins the Bell, they won't be able to hide it under the rug. ;)
Here's a fun fact.
DePauw has lost 11 NCAC conference games (after Saturday, obviously). They will have played 16 total NCAC games.
Wabash lost their 11th NCAC game in their 11th season in the league.
Wally, you fact-finder, you.
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Here we go again! Also, don't know if any of you Depauw "Fans" saw these scoreboards yet.... after leaving early and all. Anyway.. here they are for your viewing pleasure.
I will admit, they are getting better. You may want to try to score a few though... I heard it helps.
first off -- good to be back....it's been awhile. and, like all of you, I'm ecstatic that it's Monon Week.
I've read through all 6 pages of this, as I always do. There are facts and stats and a whole bunch of other stuff that stand out.
But, I'm very encouraged by what Bill Lynch has done in year one after being left with a cupboard full of nothing following Robby Long. Yes, the team started 0-4, with brutal losses to brutal teams (minus Wittenberg). But, they've won 4 of 5, with a freshman quarterback (which by the way, WILL win Bells), and what I like most is that Bill Lynch has re-instilled a program thirsting for a re-boost of tradition and pride.
.....and Lynch knows what it takes to win a Bell....
I'm not predicting a win by any means....I just feel confident where the program is heading.....and am excited about this weekend.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 11, 2013, 03:56:01 PM
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Here we go again! Also, don't know if any of you Depauw "Fans" saw these scoreboards yet.... after leaving early and all. Anyway.. here they are for your viewing pleasure.
I will admit, they are getting better. You may want to try to score a few though... I heard it helps.
Glad you have those memories from sitting in the stands.
One of my favorites from my time with the team: http://vimeo.com/31460010
All 119 Monon Memories (and some other goodies) are available here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7132D62E7C8E99EE
November 12 in Monon Bell History :
1900 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21962/
1938 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/20514/
1949 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19786/
1955 (a real classic) - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13676/
1960 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19169/
1966 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/18901/
1977 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13706/
1983 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13888/
1988 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13892/
1994 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13883/
2005 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/16625/
2011 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/27877/
Quote from: Old Pal Wes on November 10, 2013, 10:47:04 PM
If anything, Wittenberg was kind enough to show the rest of us how to stop Wabash's offense. That's not "golly we just had a bad day" type stuff that happened yesterday. There are serious issues on the offensive line for Wabash right now with their zone blocking scheme and in their 5 man pass protection. That's a problem that needs to be rectified if they're going to beat anybody, be it DePauw or, heaven forbid, a playoff caliber team. Can't win if you can't block 'em.
Sorry Wes, I beg to differ. There WERE serious issues with Wabash's offensive line ... against Witt. I'll let the previous eight games speak for themselves. Witt brought it on Saturday and I think the O line and D line just weren't ready in the first half to play with the size and speed in display. Adjustments were made at the half and we were hanging tough. Witt then did a solid job protecting their lead, holding onto the ball, and milking the clock - preventing any sort of comeback.
As you have noted yourself in the past, what DePauw has lacked these last three years especially is that size and speed. Unless Bill Lynch was able to recruit up (he wasn't) to cover this gap - I don't think DePauw will be able to execute Witt's playbook this year. If the dannie administration can figure out how to leave the football program alone, I don't expect the mismatch to be there in a couple of years. For saturday? ding ding
Quote from: Old Pal Wes on November 10, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
DePauw's defense isn't all that far off from Wittenberg's in most of the major categories. We've had this argument when DePauw was in the SCAC, but now it's validated because it's against the same opponents.
Let the court of opinion judge the above. The evidence:
Stat | DePauw | Nat'l Rank | Witt | Nat'l Rank |
Rush D | 150.30 | 109 | 83.40 | 8 |
Pass Eff. D | 135.42 | 175 | 120.16 | 100 |
Total D | 343.20 | 91 | 291.10 | 28 |
Scoring D | 22.70 | 93 | 17.60 | 45 |
TO Margin | 0.60 | t-59 | -0.60 | 172 |
Pass D | 192.90 | 93 | 207.70 | 132 |
Sacks | 1.78 | 132 | 3.22 | 21 |
TFL | 5.40 | 174 | 8.20 | 30 |
3rd Down D | 0.379 | 119 | 0.341 | 64 |
RZ Defense | 0.828 | 204 | 0.586 | 15 |
I guess it depends on what one's definition of "not that far off" is, but I don't think the Tiger defenses are quite as interchangeable as you might think.
The PPG is 5 points. 5. Less than 1 score per. It's only that high because both teams didn't play their own offenses. Depauw's PPG is higher because they played Witt's O and not their own. The opposite is true of Wittenberg.
50 total yards per. I don't have the number of plays in front of me, but I bet DePauw's D is on the field more than Wittenberg's, judging by their offenses. I'll look that up.
And DPU is positive in turnover margin, which is a big deal for Saturday.
EDIT: And frankly, other than rush D & RZ D, are those numbers glaringly different? DePauw isn't a huge blitz team to this point, so TFL & sacks make sense. But aren't all those other numbers within a stone's throw of each other?
Witt has actually played 30 more snaps of defense than DePauw. And while Witt didn't have to play Witt, Witt did have to play Butler instead of Sewanee so there's that. I really think we (and I absolutely include myself here) kind of dismissed Wittenberg's defense after the first quarter of their first game which was totally unfair. When I posted a tale of the tape last week I found out that they have a way better unit nationally than I had expected. That's my bad.
And you're right about the turnover thing. That part matters. DePauw has done a pretty good job of hanging on to that thing and they've gotten on a ton of fumbles this year.
Quote from: Old Pal Wes on November 12, 2013, 10:43:17 AM
EDIT: And frankly, other than rush D & RZ D, are those numbers glaringly different? DePauw isn't a huge blitz team to this point, so TFL & sacks make sense. But aren't all those other numbers within a stone's throw of each other?
That's a judgement call. People are going to draw that line between what's close enough to be basically the same and what's not. For me personally, taking that table as a whole, I can't talk myself into the idea that the Tiger defenses are more or less the same thing. Some people will, and that's fine.
I would be concerned about the total lack of sacks and TFL. If you don't get significant TFL against this Wabash team, there will be another boatrace on Saturday.
Another question is how many yards has Witt given up in "Garbage time" when they were up by 40+..... (total 2nd team defense's time on the field) Definitely not worth looking up, as the answer in defensive strengths between Witt & Depauw will materialize on Saturday.
Hey, there is part of me that hopes Saturday is close..... It is good for the Monon Bell; the tradition of the rivalry. I just don't see how it will be.
I agree they're good. I never said Witt wasn't good. But when I look at the numbers side by side, DePauw is pretty good, too. They're not identical. DePauw isn't as good or better. But when looking at the whole picture, I do think they are similar. I still think that after your post. Over the course of a season, all things being equal, they put out approximately the same totals in many categories. I don't think 5 pts over a year is very telling. I don't think 15 passing yards is very telling. Same goes for 3rd down. It's 3%. Relatively the same when you try to predict a sample of 12-15 3rd downs on Saturday. I do think the rushing D is important, though.
Therefore, I think I can say that DePauw can get Wabash into a similar offensive day. Maybe not quite as bad. I don't think Wabash's offense will be running around like a chicken with their head cut off like they did in the 1H Saturday. But, looking at your table, I think 14-20 pts is in the conversation if it goes according to plan. If it doesn't, it'll be a billion to zero again. That's been the whole point. DePauw's defense can do this. Then it'll be on the O to find a way. If they don't, don't even bother turning DePauw's side of the scoreboard on.
DPU's only chance is to go on mammoth 10 minute drives and keep the ball away from Wabash.
Quote from: smedindy on November 12, 2013, 01:46:37 PM
DPU's only chance is to go on mammoth 10 minute drives and keep the ball away from Wabash.
They're not doing that unless they get 80 second play clocks.
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Been wearing this since last Saturday.
a lot of stats filling up the chatter here...and that's fine...they're pretty one-sided....
where's the fun?
like the fact that red has been removed from all closets in our house this week? My son asking just what IS a Little Giant? and what possibly could 800 men do on a Friday and Saturday night?
I simply tell him, son, not all questions have reasonable answers.
Let's mix it up....
Go Tigers!
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Been wearing this since last Saturday.
Ah the good old days. You should send your boys playing this weekend an email and tell them how it felt to actually score a point against Wabash. Nobody there currently knows. :(
November 13 in Monon Bell History -
1937 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/20557/
1948 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19805/
1954 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19448/
1965 (Operation Frijoles) http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/18863/
1971 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13696/
1976 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/15258/
1982 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/15257/
1993 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13703/
1999 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/17545/
2004 (coached by Bill Lynch) - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/14918/
2010 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/26135/
What's that old saying about lies, damn lies, and statistics. In general, there are just too many variables of play and situations to compare defenses that are not separated by a lot of space; eg. Wittenberg and Hiram, or Mt Union and Wilmington. Those passing against numbers for Witt are inflated by teams being well behind, usually early, and having to throw, reference Wabash last week as one example. The most telling number for me is the lack of separation in the points surrendered. It's the scoreboard that counts. You can take out Witt's defensive futility v. Butler (49pts) and that entertaining (but unusual) track meet v. Wooster (66-39) that inflate their pts against average. But you can also subtract DePauw's 45 pts against to Witt.
Etc. Etc.
In all other games, DePauw has surrendered 42 to Denison, a capable offensive team, but one that had no points production v. Wabash/Denison (50-13). Absent that result, the Tigers have allowed 10, 28, 11, 21, 7, 27, and 13. That's pretty darn respectable. They have not blown out anyone but Oberlin, a team Wabash struggled against offensively.
I'm rather more inclined to pay attention to the teams' offenses. Wabash has produced 47 points a game. DePauw has struggled against a lot of defenses, not any of them except Witt's nearly equal to Wabash's. DPU got 26 against Kenyon, 21 against Denison, 23 against OWU, 23 against Allegheny, 24 against Hiram.
On the other hand, throw away Witt's 35, which for them was not a ton of points, and Wabash's defense has been so dominant that there is the biggest advantage this week of anything I can point to about the two teams. Lynch will be smart about protecting his young QB, but will the Wabash's blitzes unnerve him so much that the DPU passing game sputters. He's about 5'11'' and the Wabsh front is 6'6", 6'5", 6'3, and in situation when they use 4 dlinemen add 6'2". As to the running game, Wabash gives up around 60 yd./game, so Sansone will struggle.
Despite DePauw's seemingly average run defense, we know the Wabash running game has struggled recently. I think the passing game is better than it has often shown because running has carried so much of the burden.
I've just reread this. Throw it all out. It's the Bell Game.
&*%& Depauw..... You took away some of our recent Monon Bell Week fun by hiring a coach that most, if not all of us respect. I miss the good ole' days of Robbie Long, covert cover ups within the athletic department.... ("Just give it time.... everyone will move on without an explanation") We can't even hammer your facilities anymore..... oh and speaking of the Bell itself, it just registered for permanent residence in Crawfordsville.
What to talk about..... Let's recap the week thus far:
We've covered that your D is as good as Witt's
We've briefly chatted about how anything can happen... IF Wabash's entire 1st team is called for targeting and ejected.
We've seen a medallion that Breck has worn....since last Saturday (Feel good story of Monon Bell Week thus far)
We've seen the 2012 Version of the Ballad.... I personally liked the prior version that cut away to the real game coverage... but it is pretty good with some new footage.
We've taken a look at the last three scoreboards
A few stats.... some videos of year's past...
Tic Toc.... Tic Toc. Ding.. Ding.. It's Wednesday.
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Hate to say it, but this rivalry needs a close game.
A video that may help...... (Warning...some language. Dannies please get your parents permission before viewing) http://youtu.be/q7vtWB4owdE (http://youtu.be/q7vtWB4owdE)
Quote from: sigma one on November 13, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
What's that old saying about lies, damn lies, and statistics. In general, there are just too many variables of play and situations to compare defenses that are not separated by a lot of space; eg. Wittenberg and Hiram, or Mt Union and Wilmington. Those passing against numbers for Witt are inflated by teams being well behind, usually early, and having to throw, reference Wabash last week as one example. The most telling number for me is the lack of separation in the points surrendered. It's the scoreboard that counts. You can take out Witt's defensive futility v. Butler (49pts) and that entertaining (but unusual) track meet v. Wooster (66-39) that inflate their pts against average. But you can also subtract DePauw's 45 pts against to Witt.
Etc. Etc.
In all other games, DePauw has surrendered 42 to Denison, a capable offensive team, but one that had no points production v. Wabash/Denison (50-13). Absent that result, the Tigers have allowed 10, 28, 11, 21, 7, 27, and 13. That's pretty darn respectable. They have not blown out anyone but Oberlin, a team Wabash struggled against offensively.
I'm rather more inclined to pay attention to the teams' offenses. Wabash has produced 47 points a game. DePauw has struggled against a lot of defenses, not any of them except Witt's nearly equal to Wabash's. DPU got 26 against Kenyon, 21 against Denison, 23 against OWU, 23 against Allegheny, 24 against Hiram.
On the other hand, throw away Witt's 35, which for them was not a ton of points, and Wabash's defense has been so dominant that there is the biggest advantage this week of anything I can point to about the two teams. Lynch will be smart about protecting his young QB, but will the Wabash's blitzes unnerve him so much that the DPU passing game sputters. He's about 5'11'' and the Wabsh front is 6'6", 6'5", 6'3, and in situation when they use 4 dlinemen add 6'2". As to the running game, Wabash gives up around 60 yd./game, so Sansone will struggle.
Despite DePauw's seemingly average run defense, we know the Wabash running game has struggled recently. I think the passing game is better than it has often shown because running has carried so much of the burden.
I've just reread this. Throw it all out. It's the Bell Game.
Thank you. Let us move beyond the stats and get on to the real issue, how bad we hate each other, and how horrible it must feel to be an alumni of the Crawfordstucky School of Furnace Repair and Air Conditioning Maintenance.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 13, 2013, 12:10:41 PM
&*%& Depauw..... You took away some of our recent Monon Bell Week fun by hiring a coach that most, if not all of us respect. I miss the good ole' days of Robbie Long, covert cover ups within the athletic department.... ("Just give it time.... everyone will move on without an explanation") We can't even hammer your facilities anymore..... oh and speaking of the Bell itself, it just registered for permanent residence in Crawfordsville.
What to talk about..... Let's recap the week thus far:
We've covered that your D is as good as Witt's
We've briefly chatted about how anything can happen... IF Wabash's entire 1st team is called for targeting and ejected.
We've seen a medallion that Breck has worn....since last Saturday (Feel good story of Monon Bell Week thus far)
We've seen the 2012 Version of the Ballad.... I personally liked the prior version that cut away to the real game coverage... but it is pretty good with some new footage.
We've taken a look at the last three scoreboards
A few stats.... some videos of year's past...
Tic Toc.... Tic Toc. Ding.. Ding.. It's Wednesday.
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Hate to say it, but this rivalry needs a close game.
Dabashbrother, it is not a medallion, but a Conference Championship Ring. And you are right, it does feel good to wear. We had the Bell and a #4 put on it because that was more important than the Conference Win.
I agree, this rivalry needs a close game. We have closed the gap in coaching, facilities, etc... and I miss the old days of ripping on Long as well, but things have turned a corner at DePauw. I have a feeling that Coach Lynch and the boys will be up for this game, after all he knows what a Bell win feels like.
Just got word that ESPN College Gameday might be doing a piece or giving a mention on the Monon Bell on Saturday morning......
It was told to me that it would be between 10 and 10:30 am.... would be cool if it happens.
I am wondering if after this Bell game, I will remember one DePauw player??? The last few Bell games I have walked away and not one player stood out. The talent from Greendingle has been flat out brutal. I am hopeful that I see a player that at least looks like a player. I am not sure that will happen. I remain hopeful.
The Stag is tonight - a Wednesday vs the traditional Thursday...why? Of course the Depauw brass had a conflict on Thursday... Figures. In year's past this has been a great event - I hope the turn out is good tonight.
SigmaOne - just when I think you have finally turned the corner and are on track, you throw out the "its the Bell game, throw out the stats..." Good Lord. Barf.
As of 2:39PM on Wednesday before the Bell game...I am going with...
Wabash 52
Dannies 7
#freeHouston
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Would it help if the Dannies dressed the women's field hockey team? It would right? Hopefully they won't think of that. Stevie Baker-Watson-Jones-Smith-Jones-Lewis-Jackson-Smith would LOVE that though...
What's the status of Nikko Sansone? Is he hurt?
Matt Hunt could be an OK player if he had a better name --- say, Turnip or Rutabaga. I kind of miss Spud Dick (now that we are all getting nostalgic about the good old days of competitive Bell Games).
Don't know if I mentioned this before or not - the only guy I can recall in many years to be on both sides of this rivalry is in action tonight. Ben Needham played at DePauw under Lynch. He went on to be a GA at Wabash under Creighton. Now he's Paul Haynes DL coach at Kent State. Hosting Miami OH on ESPNU tonight.
Quote from: Schwami on November 13, 2013, 04:39:35 PM
What's the status of Nikko Sansone? Is he hurt?
Matt Hunt could be an OK player if he had a better name --- say, Turnip or Rutabaga. I kind of miss Spud Dick (now that we are all getting nostalgic about the good old days of competitive Bell Games).
I do not miss Spud Dick. That kid couldn't graduate fast enough. Not sure what happens in 2009 if he doesn't get dinged up there. He could sling it.
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Quote from: Schwami on November 13, 2013, 04:39:35 PM
What's the status of Nikko Sansone? Is he hurt?
Matt Hunt could be an OK player if he had a better name --- say, Turnip or Rutabaga. I kind of miss Spud Dick (now that we are all getting nostalgic about the good old days of competitive Bell Games).
Speaking of nostalgia, check out these old cartoons found in the Depauw Archives.
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Check out these articles. Once again, all found in the Depauw Archives.
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Check out this article. Once again, found in the Depauw Archives.
http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/26135/
Below is the to Wabash's game notes for Bell Game.
http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2013/11/13/ReleaseNov132013.pdf?id=226 (http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2013/11/13/ReleaseNov132013.pdf?id=226)
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The board has been so quiet this week. It's depressing. Heard good things about last night's Stag! Can't wait to be back in Greencastle tonight...the clock on this wall just keeps getting slower, and slower, and slow.....
November 14 -
1936 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/20559/
1942 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13678/
1953 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13710/
1959 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/18169/
1964 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/18295/
1981 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/15256/
1987 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13893/
1992 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13707/
1998 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/17546/
2009 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/24396/
About to hop on my flight back to the middle east for this weekends festivities. Can't wait. As always, come by our tailgate and say hello.
Depauw Never Quits, and I still hate Dabash.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 14, 2013, 06:07:47 PM
About to hop on my flight back to the middle east for this weekends festivities. Can't wait. As always, come by our tailgate and say hello.
Depauw Never Quits, and I still hate Dabash.
Yeah, we hate you too. Have a safe flight.
BreckenDouche.
Those are actually pretty funny! I've never heard butt-darts...
WAF
Signed,
Pinkie House
Article from today's "The DePauw":
The tailgating venue for Monon Bell Classic will look a lot different to those who remember it from 2011, the last time DePauw hosted the match up between the Tigers and the Wabash College Little Giants.
Changes to DePauw's campus due to construction have led to changes in how tailgating before the 1 PM game will be arranged.
One change is that instead of side-by-side tailgating between DePauw and Wabash fans as in past years, the fan bases of the opposing teams will be separated.
While DePauw students, faculty, alumnae and fans have been designated the Blackstock parking lot, Wabash supporters will have tailgating space in the parking lot of the Intramural fields.
"When we went to Wabash last year they had designated a field for us, so that's what we're doing for them here," Athletic Director Stevie Baker-Watson said. "I remember going to a meeting last year at Wabash and being told, '[DePauw has] this lot, just south of the fine arts center, that's where [DePauw will] tailgate. All that parking that's over there by the stadium, don't go over there.'"
Though Baker-Watson admitted the Intramural fields are not as closely situated to Blackstock Stadium as would be ideal, she feels the overall tailgating experience will be better for the change.
"We intentionally separate [Wabash and DePauw fans] from a game perspective," she said. "So seating is separate, concession stands are separate, and now the tailgating will be separate."
However, there will still be opportunities for game attendees with a foot in both camps to intermingle.
"We actually have a combo DePauw and Wabash family gathering in the Olin Lot," Baker-Watson said. That will allow Wabash and DePauw fans to meet without crossing into each other's space."
Another change was to have parking presold. Those who purchased tickets online were sent emails alerting them that parking was being sold at 10 dollars per space, with up to two spaces being sold per transaction.
"The Blackstock lot is actually already sold out as of last Tuesday the fifth," Director of Public Safety Angie Nally said.
This choice to move to presale parking was made to help things run smoothly on the day of Monon itself.
"That way, the morning of I don't have someone standing there with a wad of cash in their pocket and I don't have people waiting in line thinking they're going to get in only to get turned away when they're that last car," Baker-Watson said.
Those who purchased parking were given hangtags for their mirrors and will be allowed into the parking lot at staggered times after 9 a.m. on Saturday morning.
"Athletics has really taken the lead on reserving tailgates and trying to make it less of a parking lot and more of an event space," Nally said.
Aside from the Wabash and DePauw tailgating separation, the presale of tickets and what is sure to be an "influx" of people, according to Nally, this tailgate is not very different from those earlier in the year. All tailgating rules will still be in place and the DePauw tailgating community will remain in the Blackstock Lot.
"For anybody whose come to any of the games thus far it will probably look similar to that from a DePauw standpoint," Baker-Watson said.
She also added that though she hopes the tailgate goes well, it is not the focal point of the weekend.
"I always like to remind people that we're here for a football game. I really hope that parking lot is fun, but I really hope they come in the game."
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See the BOLD above. I know that Wabash had designated the Fine Arts Center parking lot for DePauw parking but they were not limited to that space only. Fans should be able to tailgate wherever they want to as long as they either pay or find the space. Ms. Hyphenated Name soujnds like a victim here - "since they did this to me, I will do this to them". What a load of crap. As usual, Administrators cannot let common sense prevail. I don't know any other school with any other rivalry that does this. I know the Bell rivalry is unique but this is stupid. I cannot fathom that further segregation of the participants is good for the long-term health of this rivalry.
A pox on DPU for this. Indeed, for many years Wabash has Held (caps and emphasis) a parking lot for DPU tailgaiters. That has been so that DePauw fans were Assured spaces in a crowded situation. But to my knowledge no one ever told the DePauw fans that this was the Only (caps and emphasis) place they could set up camp. There has always been an intermingling of fans before the game, with people wandering around to find friends and be with family (many of whom had backgrounds with both schools).
First, it was charging for entry into a common tailgate lot for those who wanted to be close to the stadium and setting a time when the lot would be open. Now, it's charging for the spaces, and don't come back with the idea that this will make things easier for fans because they know they can find a spot. The DePauw AD, what's her name, and the administration decide to further ostrasize Wabash fans. By the way, when she says that Wabash designated a "field" for DPU tailgating, she's wrong. The parking lot south of the Fine Arts Center is paved. And about 100 or so yards from Little Giant Stadium. One more thing: DPU student-buses are unloaded near the Fine Arts Center and students can congregate there or near there and walk the short distance to the stadium. Wabash students are unloaded directly outside a Blackstock stadium gate and herded into the stadium at that point by security, denying them the chance to find their family and friends who may be tailgating.
She was an assistant AD (maybe an associate) at North Central two years ago when the Cardinals came south to C'ville for a playoff game (29-28, Stevie). She was a royal pain in the Butkus, who apparently could not understand why the mighty CCIW Cards were shipped out to the hinterlands to play. Do they have motels in Montgomery County? Attitude. Attitude--here reflected in a tone I believe I hear in her remarks.
All thinking about whatever is happening with construction aside, another mistake on the part of a tone-deaf DPU, practically guaranteed to increase hard feelings in an era when the schools have often worked to make this game a better experience for everyone who attends. Pre-sale of parking spots for anyone who purchased game tickets on line--did this apply to both Wabash and DPU? I've not heard that this is so from anyone I know. Many Wabash folks don't purchase their tickets on line--and what a way to advantage a certain segment of buyers.
I'm eager to see how the grandstands are arranged this time around. (I'm also positively eager to see the new surface in Blackstock.) We're coming, Stevie. We're coming.
After many years of trying to understand, I am now officially just p---ed.
November 15 in History
1941 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/20036/
1947 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19918/
1952 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19754/
1958 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19404/
1969 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/18576/
1975 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/15259/
1997 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13702/
2003 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13068/
2008 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/22486/
So I assume that since the two sides are separated Satruday morning (and not just by some barricades but by a non-negligible amount of Earth...literally not even within shouting distance) that I won't have Greencastle's finest wandering through my tailgate every 3 minutes to keep the peace? No? Yeah, I didn't think so either.
Lot of thoughts on this...almost none exist within the site's Terms of Service so I have to end it here.
Power trip..... The Emperor of Greendingle has Spoken!
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I'm not a big fan of this at all. As someone who has friends on both sides of the aisle, this is stupid. Am I even allowed in to the Wabash tailgate to visit friends or do I have to stay on my own side of the tracks?
"Hey, come meet me in the demilitarized zone which is half a freaking mile from both of us."
If the temps stay mild and there's moisture on or before Saturday AM, I'm not holding out a lot of hope for the state of that field once everything clears out in the afternoon. Of course that's only going to encourage SBW to do something even more punitive in 2015.
That's the part that gets me about this. There's been remodeling and what not down there and we're all trying to make do with a giant event in a space that just isn't designed to have that many people all at once. And it's not just in Greencastle, it's a headache in Crawfordsville as well. But to purposefully shove all of the Wabash traffic way away from the venue and away from the stadium just to stick it to Wabash? That's really, really sad.
SBW says the overall tailgating experience will be better because of this. I'm going to try and keep an open mind, but I'm guessing it won't. The overall tailgating experience is probably going to feel isolated and weird. I mean, we're going to have our fun, but it won't be the same- and not for the better.
From a DePauw perspective, it's tough to disagree with you guys. We've never had issues with dual tailgating in the past. A little 'friendly-fire' on Saturday morning has always been fun, and there have been numerous years where the two sides have had pregame beers together. I'm not a fan of this either. No need to fix something that's not broken. I've never once minded the Fine Arts lot at DeBash. Always been accommodating and the location is great. Don't get this one.
Wow... she is really letting this power get to her head.... This is a little over the top don't you think? (Click on Photo to enlarge)
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Disclaimer - This is not really the actual location of the Wabash tailgate.
SigmaOne - best post ever, nice work! She truly is unbelievable. What a crock of crap to completely separate the lots like this... Brutal. I'm trying to figure out where the Wabash lot will be?
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 15, 2013, 11:35:14 AM
If the temps stay mild and there's moisture on or before Saturday AM, I'm not holding out a lot of hope for the state of that field once everything clears out in the afternoon.
This. Weather says 40s and High 80s on humidity. Add in a few spilled coolers or TWR, and you could see cars making big ruts in the field. If a couple cars get stuck in heavy traffic lanes, you could have a real mess.
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 15, 2013, 01:09:23 PM
SigmaOne - best post ever, nice work! She truly is unbelievable. What a crock of crap to completely separate the lots like this... Brutal. I'm trying to figure out where the Wabash lot will be?
I'm too lazy to draw on that map bashbro posted. The IM field USED to be right where he's put that missile facility in the middle of the map. Probably just to the east or northeast of the missile.
I just wish they put the Dabash tailgate outside of Greencastle City Limits. Maybe Fincastle or Raccoon. Not only would it do away with that terrible stench tomorrow, but it would cut down on crime for the next 24 hours.
I do agree, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Bbear, even if all you say about Wabash is correct--it may be--that's no reason for this.
Quote from: sigma one on November 15, 2013, 02:21:36 PM
Bbear, even if all you say about Wabash is correct--it may be--that's no reason for this.
Wabash is Worst
As of yesterday, DPU has 1000 tickets left - and they were sold online. . .
http://www.thedepauw.com/news/monon-ticket-sales-almost-on-track-1.3119514 (http://www.thedepauw.com/news/monon-ticket-sales-almost-on-track-1.3119514)
Guess the paranoid Depauw AD isn't too worried about feckless Wabash fans buying up home-side tickets online. http://2013mononbellgame.brownpapertickets.com/ (http://2013mononbellgame.brownpapertickets.com/) Or - more likely - one of her hired goons will probably try to toss anybody who wears red and white trying to enter on their side. That being said - it would be awesome if we could flip one of their (empty) bleacher sections to the good guys.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 15, 2013, 03:31:53 PM
Quote from: sigma one on November 15, 2013, 02:21:36 PM
Bbear, even if all you say about Wabash is correct--it may be--that's no reason for this.
Wabash is Worst
QuoteDabashbrother, it is not a medallion, but a Conference Championship Ring. And you are right, it does feel good to wear. We had the Bell and a #4 put on it because that was more important than the Conference Win.
Ah, another annual rant and opportunity for Bear Baiting... appears an aforementioned (quoted/pictured) marital aid continues to stifle flow necessary for cerebral creativity. ;D Travel safely and may all enjoy, even those closeted offsite at SBW's "cave laager." WAF and "WaPauw" Never Quits ________!
Quote from: wabndy on November 15, 2013, 05:10:24 PM
As of yesterday, DPU has 1000 tickets left - and they were sold online. . .
http://www.thedepauw.com/news/monon-ticket-sales-almost-on-track-1.3119514 (http://www.thedepauw.com/news/monon-ticket-sales-almost-on-track-1.3119514)
Guess the paranoid Depauw AD isn't too worried about feckless Wabash fans buying up home-side tickets online. http://2013mononbellgame.brownpapertickets.com/ (http://2013mononbellgame.brownpapertickets.com/) Or - more likely - one of her hired goons will probably try to toss anybody who wears red and white trying to enter on their side. That being said - it would be awesome if we could flip one of their (empty) bleacher sections to the good guys.
The ticket distribution at DePauw is cluster. And, by their own admission, they did NOT sell their allotment in 2011 and they "think" they sold out in 2009 but the records don't exist. This is not rocket science Stevie Hyphenated-Name. The chick with the big stick should get the highly touted "management fellows" from DPU to organize this but maybe figuring out how to distribute 6000 tickets and 300 parking spots is beyond the scope of party school to the south. Glad to see that they are "almost on track" given they have one day to go. Lastly, nice reference to "Wabash University" in the article. Just one more example of inept Dannie-hood.
Next year, the Wabash folk will go to great lengths to show Ms. Hyphenated-Name the right way to host a Bell game. We will welcome DPU with open arms and then shove the ball right up their arse for a 6th straight time.
If I listen real hard, I can hear the Bell all the way out here in Central Washington.
I'll hear it all the way down 231, and I'll hear it all the way back on 231.
Just posted --- preview http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/30498/
History on this day
1914 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/21707/
1935 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/20658/
1940 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13889/
1946 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19949/
1957 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/19356/
1963 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13695/
1968 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/15260/
1974 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13680/
1991 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13887/
1996 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/13677/
2002 - http://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/12351/
Happy game day, all!
Liked this quote, which shows that Dannies may indeed have some minimum level of analytical ability:
Link offered a possible explanation as to why the tailgating spots sold quicker than tickets. "I think the difference is with the tickets, you have about 6,000 and with the parking spots, because they only have about 250, they went a lot quicker just because of the quantity for each," Link said.
Ring-a-ding-ding!
#FreeHouston
WAF
Go Wabash! Beat DePauw!
Wabash Monon Tailgate Participants - Hope all is going well! Ding Ding and WAF!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H3KbLBwQFW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H3KbLBwQFW4)
DePauw to Hell - Five Straight with the Bell?
Safe and enjoyable game and travels for all participants!
Nevermind about that defense thing I said
I was really surprised DePauw didn't pack their side of the stands, what's up with that?
Quote from: bashgiant on November 16, 2013, 08:47:07 PM
I was really surprised DePauw didn't pack their side of the stands, what's up with that?
We stink. Not sure we fill the stands when we're actually good.
Watched the game at a telecast party and then watched it again tonight.
Well played three quarters. Wabash's passing offense was a pleasant surprise - but DPU's defense was not very good. Hard to tell how well the passing offense is working when your guys are so wide open.
Way too many penalties - again. And again, the same character acting like a dumbass. Can't simply play better and beat the other team - have to woof and posture. Not cool. Reflects very poorly on the team and the school and the coaches. Didn't see anyone sitting after taking the unsportsmanlike penalties.
DPU played about as well as they can play. Just got beat by a better team - didn't make too many mistakes and only had a couple of penalties. QB missed some wide open receivers but he is young. DPU will be much better next year. They played a lot of freshmen and sophomores today.
I think if you're running plays and route combos that get WRs wide open on the regular, then the passing game is working...working well. You know which passing game works when the receivers are always covered up? There isn't one.
And on to some more 120th Monon Bell thoughts...
- I think when pressed into it last week against Witt, Wabash found that they could throw the ball with some efficiency. Is it perfect? Nah. But it's not a deficiency.
- I thought the Wabash defense was fantastic today. Completely wiped out Depauw's run game. Sansone got loose for a 44 yard run in the 3rd quarter. The rest of his day was 21 carries, 11 yards. After that, you've got a freshman QB who's only good option is to chuck it up to the 6-5 dude which will work occasionally, but not often enough to keep you in a game.
- Love to see seniors have big games in the Bell game. As such it was great to see Sean Hildebrand have a monster day. 10 catches, 125 yards, 1TD, and one more TD on a rush. Great to see him out there today (that wasn't a given) and then to see him have that kind of game.
So it's five in a row for the good guys, but there were some signs of life from DePauw today. They didn't fold up in the second half like they did in 2010 and 2011. They're young, they've got some stability now, and they'll be better going forward. Can they win next year? TBD...Wabash is going to be really, really good next year as well (that defense....they're pretty much all back). And the good football god's willing, they'll get to week 10 with all of their tailbacks healthy. So my early lean for 2014 is Wabash getting #6 in a row. In 2015 I think this thing starts to get really interesting again.
I think the best point that was made on the broadcast was that DePauw has to find a way to stay in the game in the first half. They haven't done it in four years now (the 2012 game didn't get way out of hand, but while Wabash didn't light up the score board, Depauw never got within 48 yards of the end zone). The next step for DePauw is to just get to halftime and have the thing still be a ball game.
Wes & Depauw faithful
In the 2nd half, your Tigers fought hard... Hit hard and made some good plays.... This is something we have not seen from a Depauw football team in awhile... Lynch has them definitely moving in the right direction.. Depauw will be better next year... But unfortunately so will Wabash.
Congrats to Depauw on a real step forward...Congrats to the Wabash Seniors for not knowing what it feels like to lose a bell game.
WAF!
DePauw has wheel issues, apparently. I hadn't noticed that through the 1st 9 games - but it gave them fits yesterday. Curl/wheel/bubble on the long TD pass to make it 14-0. Post/wheel/bubble on the one right after it to make it 21-0. It's a tough concept to defend, especially when you motion from a 2x2 set to trips. That really puts flat players in a bind. Lots of eye stimulation for the safeties as well. It's easy to come up and bite on the curl, which is what happened on the one to make it 14-0. So then you turn around and run the same look, where the safety vacates to cover the wheel, and you throw the post in behind him. That's really, really good offensive football.
I'm obviously surprised at how poorly DePauw played on defense. I didn't see anything earth shattering from Wabash aside from the reverse (good play call, btw.) Not sure why DePauw seemed confused in the secondary so much. It's not like Wabash is throwing stuff at you that you haven't seen on tape.
DePauw's offense was about what I expected. They battled. They were able to put some drives together. Not getting that 4th down by 6 inches probably took them out of the game. I hadn't seen them run that zone play to a tight bunch yet this year. Witt ran it last week against Wabash and it worked well. Points on that drive would have been a big momentum builder. EDIT: 2 of 11 on 3rd down stinks.
At the end of it, DePauw costs themselves 21 because they can't handle wheel routes and a dropped snap on a punt. That's the difference. Can't bust coverages and screw up in the specials against good teams. No doubt Wabash is better, but I would have at least like to see DePauw play their best ball. Didn't play well at all in the first half and it was 35-7.
Probably beating a dead horse here but I'm still so frustrated with where they "stuck" the Wabash tailgating lot. It definitely impacted the day in a negative way and that's so not cool. I felt like we were waiting for hay rides or pony rides. It was so far from the stadium too, it didn't even feel like a tailgate and it certainly didn't feel like we were there for a football game.
I hope we stick the DePauw fans over at the Elston softball fields next year and I hope the creek floods. Maybe we can also shuttle the Dannie fans over to the stadium in long wagons pulled by John Deere tractors...
...just a low blow and I hope the Wabash fans continue to voice their displeasure. Not cool.
Lastly, the security, the police, and campus officials were so over-the-top it was a joke. Teetering on harassment throughout the day. A quick story: at about 10am our sons were checking stuff out around the lot. These guys are between 14 and 16 years old. They come across a No Trespassing sign that had been run over and the end was rotted out. They bring it back to our tailgate and stick it in to the ground. 10 minutes later 2 police officers pull 2 of the boys out and walk them 50 yards away. The dads followed to see what the issue was. Literally 6 cops and campus officials (armed with clipboards) discussed this serious crime. One of the officers returns and asks the boys for ID. He then grabs IDs from both dads and returns to the pow wow. He says that they are determining what to do and wasn't sure if "anyone would have to leave!" Seriously!??? They saw a "downed" sign in the woods and grabbed it - was Down for so long that the base was rotted! More and more people are now watching and wondering how many kilos of cocaine have been confiscated. A captain finally informs us that the University would be sending a bill and they had witnesses! Guys - I promise I'm not making this up!! The boys explain that they didn't chop it down (like they have axes and chainsaws). They complete the "report" and the Captain did seem to help get things resolved. 30 minutes later the IDs are returned... Is this really necessary? Wabash and DePauw people are solid people. Its a college football game between 2 very proud schools... Seriously.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 17, 2013, 12:57:50 AM
Watched the game at a telecast party and then watched it again tonight.
Well played three quarters. Wabash's passing offense was a pleasant surprise - but DPU's defense was not very good. Hard to tell how well the passing offense is working when your guys are so wide open.
Way too many penalties - again. And again, the same character acting like a dumbass. Can't simply play better and beat the other team - have to woof and posture. Not cool. Reflects very poorly on the team and the school and the coaches. Didn't see anyone sitting after taking the unsportsmanlike penalties.
DPU played about as well as they can play. Just got beat by a better team - didn't make too many mistakes and only had a couple of penalties. QB missed some wide open receivers but he is young. DPU will be much better next year. They played a lot of freshmen and sophomores today.
I must be old school or something because I rather enjoy watching a defense play with such great intensity. These young men walk a fine line and sometimes step over that line. For you to come on this board and call a young man a dumbass says a lot about you and I think this definition fits you to a tee.
hyp·o·crite
noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs
Just saying seems to fit pretty good. I believe you could get your point across without name calling.
I saw Wabash do some things early on in the passing game yesterday that I have not seen all year. They simply confused the DPU secondary, caught them off guard. Having not seen anything like what Wabash was doing, they were ill-prepared in those early moments. And Putko and his receivers were sharp.
BB#16: ugh! Actually, I believe that we should continue to offer DPU fans hospitality and respect when they come to Crawfordsville. The difference between the two venues would then establish the true nature of the two schools' attitude about and respect for their guests who when they leave the Game talk to their friends and associates.
Yesterday just did not have the same atmosphere (and I am not referencing the game only). The stimulation that was present in years' past was gone. It was sterile. Part of this was that the game itself was decided so early, part was because the DPU students didn't appear in their usual numbers (however late they arrived), and part was that the energy generated by the tailgates directly adjacent to Blackstock was gone.
Quote from: bashgiant on November 17, 2013, 01:41:54 PM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 17, 2013, 12:57:50 AM
Watched the game at a telecast party and then watched it again tonight.
Well played three quarters. Wabash's passing offense was a pleasant surprise - but DPU's defense was not very good. Hard to tell how well the passing offense is working when your guys are so wide open.
Way too many penalties - again. And again, the same character acting like a dumbass. Can't simply play better and beat the other team - have to woof and posture. Not cool. Reflects very poorly on the team and the school and the coaches. Didn't see anyone sitting after taking the unsportsmanlike penalties.
DPU played about as well as they can play. Just got beat by a better team - didn't make too many mistakes and only had a couple of penalties. QB missed some wide open receivers but he is young. DPU will be much better next year. They played a lot of freshmen and sophomores today.
I must be old school or something because I rather enjoy watching a defense play with such great intensity. These young men walk a fine line and sometimes step over that line. For you to come on this board and call a young man a dumbass says a lot about you and I think this definition fits you to a tee.
hyp·o·crite
noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs
Just saying seems to fit pretty good. I believe you could get your point across without name calling.
I did not call the player in question a dumbass - I wrote that the player acted like a dumbass. There is a distinct difference. When you step on the field there is a level of
controlled fury that fuels many defensive players - I get it. I thrived on it. I am all for aggressive defensive play. As you said, there is a line that sometimes gets stepped over. The keyword is "sometimes". The actions and facts speak for themselves as do their frequency and impact.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 17, 2013, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: bashgiant on November 17, 2013, 01:41:54 PM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 17, 2013, 12:57:50 AM
Watched the game at a telecast party and then watched it again tonight.
Well played three quarters. Wabash's passing offense was a pleasant surprise - but DPU's defense was not very good. Hard to tell how well the passing offense is working when your guys are so wide open.
Way too many penalties - again. And again, the same character acting like a dumbass. Can't simply play better and beat the other team - have to woof and posture. Not cool. Reflects very poorly on the team and the school and the coaches. Didn't see anyone sitting after taking the unsportsmanlike penalties.
DPU played about as well as they can play. Just got beat by a better team - didn't make too many mistakes and only had a couple of penalties. QB missed some wide open receivers but he is young. DPU will be much better next year. They played a lot of freshmen and sophomores today.
I must be old school or something because I rather enjoy watching a defense play with such great intensity. These young men walk a fine line and sometimes step over that line. For you to come on this board and call a young man a dumbass says a lot about you and I think this definition fits you to a tee.
hyp·o·crite
noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs
Just saying seems to fit pretty good. I believe you could get your point across without name calling.
I did not call the player in question a dumbass - I wrote that the player acted like a dumbass. There is a distinct difference. When you step on the field there is a level of controlled fury that fuels many defensive players - I get it. I thrived on it. I am all for aggressive defensive play. As you said, there is a line that sometimes gets stepped over. The keyword is "sometimes". The actions and facts speak for themselves as do their frequency and impact.
That's fine you said what was on your mind I said what was on mine.
Quote from: sigma one on November 17, 2013, 02:31:54 PM
I saw Wabash do some things early on in the passing game yesterday that I have not seen all year.
What did you see?
Old Pal: Wabash was getting Putko out of the pocket more than previously, a lot more. In earlier games he would roll out occasionally, but it was not featured in the Wabash offense. Most importantly for your question, Wabash has tried to live on the quick throws to the outside all season (whatever you want to call them, bubble, etc.). They wanted to get Hodges loose if they could. Saturday they threw several of those in the first half to Christen. But they set up the throws down field by essentially baiting DPU into aggressively trying to stop the action to the outside. They then hit behind the dbs. This was just something that Wabash had not done before--or not done very often. It appeared they hd tucked away some of those routes for the Bell Game.
As we all know, DPU had to be committed to stopping the run. Those Wabash throws to the outside had all year been part of its "running game." Wabash just fooled them early.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1mk3pkEKXo