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Title: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 11, 2013, 06:20:15 PM

Please only post selections here (no comments, analysis, etc).

Scoring: 
Round of 32:  1pt ea
Sweet 16:      2pts ea
Elite 8:           4pts ea
Final 4:           8pts ea
Final:            16pts ea
Champ:        32pts ea
     

LASTGUYOFFTHEBENCH ENTRY
ROUND OF 32
Rutgers-Camden
Lycoming
SIT
York
CMU
MSU
Rochester
SUNY Oneonta
Loras
Luther
GAC
Carleton
Trinity
Puget Sound
Wartburg
Hope
OWU
PS-B
Dickinson
F&M
Wheaton IL
Kenyon
Salisbury
Messiah
Brandeis
Rutgers-Newark
Williams
WNEC
SLU
Plattsburgh St
Amherst
Gordon

SWEET 16
Rutgers-Camden
SIT
MSU
Rochester
Loras
GAC
Trinity
Wartburg
OWU
F&M
Wheaton IL
Messiah
Rutgers-Newark
Williams
SLU
Amherst


ELITE 8
Rutgers-Camden
MSU
Loras
Trinity
OWU
Messiah
Williams
Amherst


FINAL FOUR
Rutgers-Camden
Loras
Messiah
Amherst


MESSIAH OVER LORAS 3-1
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Jim Matson on November 11, 2013, 10:37:34 PM
last, are you going to keep track of this? Great idea, and always fun over on the BB boards.

Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 12, 2013, 12:46:29 AM
Hey everyone,

I formerly posted as OWUSoccer, but since I've written a few things now figured a real name is probably more appropriate.  I actually have an Excel spreadsheet that I've used in bracket pools before that I could just plug entries into if nobody else wants to take the time to do so.  last, since this was your idea I'll leave that up to you.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Puerco Espin on November 12, 2013, 09:00:49 AM
Not to step on anyone's toes, but DuhawkFutbol has also made an online bracket if anyone wants to join...

http://duhawkfutbol.com/bracket-challenge-ncaa-tournament-men
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 12, 2013, 09:28:35 AM
Quote from: Puerco Espin on November 12, 2013, 09:00:49 AM
Not to step on anyone's toes, but DuhawkFutbol has also made an online bracket if anyone wants to join...

http://duhawkfutbol.com/bracket-challenge-ncaa-tournament-men

Works for me - saves time/effort on everyone's part if nobody actually has to tally and anybody can post standings by just checking the website.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: ldahoSoccer on November 12, 2013, 01:31:47 PM
Quote from: Puerco Espin on November 12, 2013, 09:00:49 AM
Not to step on anyone's toes, but DuhawkFutbol has also made an online bracket if anyone wants to join...

http://duhawkfutbol.com/bracket-challenge-ncaa-tournament-men

This is great.  Thank you for setting it up.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Sirius90 on November 12, 2013, 06:44:49 PM
Thanks for setting that up. It's super easy, and anyone who doesn't know who will win can just check my perfect, no-mistake bracket. It's guaranteed. ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Puerco Espin on November 14, 2013, 03:17:32 AM
Just as a reminder, if you'd like to join the bracket challenge, you have until 12pm on Thursday to do so.

http://duhawkfutbol.com/bracket-challenge-ncaa-tournament-men
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Sirius90 on November 14, 2013, 05:00:07 PM
I just perused a few of the predictions--especially from the more recognizable D3 prognosticators. I'm now more confident than ever that my picks are stone-cold mortal locks. Never mind that in every other year I have ended up at the bottom of the heap. Past failures are no guarantee of future results! This is my year! I can feel it!
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 14, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
How many just had their perfect scores blown up by Rose Hulman?
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: ldahoSoccer on November 14, 2013, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
How many just had their perfect scores blown up by Rose Hulman?

+1
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 14, 2013, 11:40:08 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
How many just had their perfect scores blown up by Rose Hulman?
Yup
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 15, 2013, 07:56:52 AM
Can we start over???
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: willchar on November 15, 2013, 09:13:24 AM
Round of 64
Camden -bye
king's
Stevens
York
Carnegie
MSU
Rochester
Oneonta

Loras - bye
Lake
St. S.
Carleton
Trinity
Puget Sound
Dominican
Oshkosh

Ohio W - bye
Penn St
Dickinson
Catholic
Wheaton
Kenyon
Salisbury
Messiah

J&W
Rutgers
Williams
WNE
St. L.
Plattsburg
Amherst
Gordon

Round of 32
Camden
Stevens
MSU
Rochester

Loras
St. S.
Trinity
Oshkosh

Ohio W
Catholic
Kenyon
Messiah

Rutgers
WNE
St. L.
Amherst

Round of 16
Stevens
MSU

Loras
Trinity

Ohio W
Messiah

Rutgers
Amhurst

Round of 8
Stevens
Loras
Ohio W
Amherst

Semis
Stevens
Ohio W

Final
Stevens
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Sirius90 on November 15, 2013, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
How many just had their perfect scores blown up by Rose Hulman?

+3.

I'm stunned. I went into this fully expecting not to miss ONE match. Now I have to hope for a typical Messiah-like performance, where I throw an early match and then run the table. It'll happen. Mark my words!
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2013, 01:58:05 PM
Of course I lost as well.  Plenty of time for me to choke over this weekend.  I'll be happy with only 7 blemishes on the bracket...

Rolling with Hope over UWO, Kenyon over ONU, Wheaton over Thomas More, Wartburg over Dominican (sure to go 2-2 on these selections)

Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2013, 01:59:00 PM

Also a big fan of willchar late submission, still going a perfect 0-3 on the day!   
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 15, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
4 pretty good games tonight.  Getting ready for streaming 4 games simultaneously throughout the day tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 15, 2013, 10:23:48 PM
Well with ONU getting trounced and Oshkosh dominating yet unable to score my bracket is completely fudged!
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 15, 2013, 10:31:02 PM
D- for Wheaton for hosting.  No video again for last 15 and when there was video it was of the Wheaton night sky.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2013, 11:11:09 PM

Small trend: teams with the stronger SOS according to Massey Ratings are 7-0 in tournament thus far.  Teams with higher ranking are 3-4.

                       SOS        Massey Rank
Lycoming         113                119 
Kings               196                104
------------------------------------------------
Rose-Hulman   222                145
PSU-Behrend   278                118
------------------------------------------------
Luther                11                 27
Lake Forest      246               125
------------------------------------------------
Wartburg             2                 11
Dominican        178                 88
------------------------------------------------
Wheaton IL        30                14
Thomas More   236                 78
------------------------------------------------
Hope                  12                 21
UW-Oshkosh      75                 15
------------------------------------------------
Kenyon               29                 25
Ohio Northern   114                 23
------------------------------------------------
 
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 16, 2013, 09:01:52 AM
Lastguy, well played.  4 for 4 last night?
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2013, 11:35:21 AM

So much for Greensboro showing up!  Getting pounded 3-0  30 min in...

Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 16, 2013, 12:40:47 PM
Yeah, I guess the "real" South isn't very strong.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Sirius90 on November 16, 2013, 02:31:16 PM
DuhawkFutbol: listen to me very carefully. I need you to temporarily re-open the bracket predictions--I need to make a small amendment to my bracket--nothing big. I need special dispensation because I was not aware that Hope was going to slip roofies in Osh Kosh's breakfast cheese. This messes me completely up, and make is no fun for anyone here. Please PM me immediately so we can arrange this.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 16, 2013, 02:35:06 PM
LOL Sirius.  I am officially withdrawing from the competition.  The GAC win was the final nail.  I had both Oshkosh and CSS winning a couple of rounds.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2013, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2013, 11:11:09 PM

Small trend: teams with the stronger SOS according to Massey Ratings are 7-0 in tournament thus far.  Teams with higher ranking are 3-4.

                       SOS        Massey Rank
Lycoming         113                119 
Kings               196                104
------------------------------------------------
Rose-Hulman   222                145
PSU-Behrend   278                118
------------------------------------------------
Luther                11                 27
Lake Forest      246               125
------------------------------------------------
Wartburg             2                 11
Dominican        178                 88
------------------------------------------------
Wheaton IL        30                14
Thomas More   236                 78
------------------------------------------------
Hope                  12                 21
UW-Oshkosh      75                 15
------------------------------------------------
Kenyon               29                 25
Ohio Northern   114                 23
------------------------------------------------


Meaningless trend update again:  Teams with stronger SOS in Massey Ratings now 12-1.     Teams with higher rankings are 8-5.

                             SOS        Massey Rank
Carnegie Mellon     28                  20
VA Wesleyan        129                  40
------------------------------------------------
GAC                        26                  10
CSS                      296                  65
------------------------------------------------
Salisbury              109                  13
Greensboro          175                  98
------------------------------------------------
WNEC                  154                   86
MIT                      169                   85
------------------------------------------------
SLU                        89                  22
Thomas More       335                  78
------------------------------------------------
Gordon                256                   53
ECSU                   253                 138
------------------------------------------------

Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2013, 03:47:42 PM

http://athletics.cmu.edu/live

Tune in to watch MSU vs Miseri....

MSU takes lead with 2:05 left, Miseri scores a header off corner with 1:25 left.  Heading to OT.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 17, 2013, 02:51:30 PM
OWU gone from tourney
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 17, 2013, 03:33:35 PM
D3 soccer bracket saying sectional is at Rose Hulman.  Is that really possible???  Assumed would go to Messiah, or Dickinson/F&M winner.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on November 17, 2013, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 17, 2013, 03:33:35 PM
D3 soccer bracket saying sectional is at Rose Hulman.  Is that really possible???  Assumed would go to Messiah, or Dickinson/F&M winner.

No, the brackets only indicate seedings.  Just because Rose-Hulman (congratulations!) upset Ohio Wesleyan does not mean that RH gets to host.  The committee will make the hosting calls and announce it Monday morning.

Going to Messiah certainly is not a given.  If Messiah (or the Dickinson-F&M winner) is asked to host, that would require a flight from Terre Haute, IN, to central PA.  [MapQuest says it 615 miles to Grantham for rural western IN.]  With the NCAA's disdain for paying for flights, the only location that would mean the other three travel by bus would be Gambier, OH, home of the Kenyon Lords.  But, would the NCAA save the extra coins by having an unrated team host?  Maybe the almighty dollar will again prevail.  Huh, if Kenyon does host, I wonder if there will be any Ohio Wesleyan sightings at the tournament ... 

All of a sudden, "the bracket of death" includes two unrated teams and two rated teams who reside in the SAME Pennsylvania county (Messiah and Dickinson, about 15 miles apart) or two rated teams that are in neighboring counties (Messiah and F&M).
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 17, 2013, 05:46:53 PM
Not sure what you men by unrated.  Unranked?  Kenyon likely ended up #3 in Great Lakes. 

BTW, F&M up 3-0 on Dickinson still in 1st half.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 17, 2013, 05:49:15 PM
Is the Rose Hulman win the biggest upset in D3 tourney history?  OWU is #1 seed in entire tournament.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on November 17, 2013, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 17, 2013, 05:46:53 PM
Not sure what you men by unrated.  Unranked?  Kenyon likely ended up #3 in Great Lakes. 

BTW, F&M up 3-0 on Dickinson still in 1st half.

Since this board is part of D3.com, I was just referring to the D3.com rankings (aka ratings).  Kenyon wasn't in the Top 25.  Yes, Kenyon is #3 in the NCAA regional rankings.

Like I said, the NCAA call will be verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting (according to Sgt. Schultz).  Save flight dollars, or allow two remaining teams within an hour of each other to be able to have an opportunity to host.

Actually, Messiah has proven through the years that it plays better on the road in NCAA tournaments than it does at home.  Its fans will definitely what their Falcons to play at home, but I don't think Messiah's coaches would mind an excursion to central Ohio.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Wormburner on November 17, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: cciwrabblerouser on November 17, 2013, 05:58:41 PM

Like I said, the NCAA call will be verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting (according to Sgt. Schultz).

Comedy Fact Check...

Sgt. Schulz from Hogan's Heroes' tag line was "I see nothing, nothing!"

Arte Johnson playing a German soldier on Rowan & Martin's Laugh In had the tag line of "Very interesting..."

OK, back to soccer!
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 17, 2013, 06:50:36 PM

Less than 10 to go... York looking like the more dangerous side.   Thinking this one heads to PKs, though.

Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 17, 2013, 07:09:42 PM

Welp, looks like it's gonna be York vs Rutgers-Camden.  I would give the nod to Camden as host, but never know with NCAA.

Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on November 17, 2013, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: Wormburner on November 17, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: cciwrabblerouser on November 17, 2013, 05:58:41 PM

Like I said, the NCAA call will be verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting (according to Sgt. Schultz).

Comedy Fact Check...

Sgt. Schulz from Hogan's Heroes' tag line was "I see nothing, nothing!"

Arte Johnson playing a German soldier on Rowan & Martin's Laugh In had the tag line of "Very interesting..."

OK, back to soccer!

Wormburner remembers his comedy much better and more accurately than I do ... that's for sure.  I got the fact that the comment was made by an incompetent German military man ... but otherwise I swung and missed on this one.

Thanks for setting the record straight, Wormburner!
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 17, 2013, 07:36:01 PM
I assume everyone has sustained major damage to their brackets by this point. 

Westminster started season 0-5-1, and some of those were blowouts.

OWU out even with a bye and massive home field advantage against a team no one thought about once.

Loras fortunate to advance.

Trinity pulling away right now and sets up intriguing matchup with Wartburg.

New England suddenly interesting with heavyweights all advancing.  Brandeis gets rematch with Williams with Brandeis probably a slight favorite on this go round.  Amherst vs SLU could be the match of the tournament.  Anybody have any insight on the 8-0 win over a good Wheaton team?

Franklin and Marshall has had a great day.  Big convincing win over Dickinson and OWU out of the way.  Messiah vs Kenyon may be more interesting than some would assume.

Rutgers-C vs York another great matchup and Montclair vs Rochester pretty good too.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: convict on November 17, 2013, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: cciwrabblerouser on November 17, 2013, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 17, 2013, 05:46:53 PM
Not sure what you men by unrated.  Unranked?  Kenyon likely ended up #3 in Great Lakes. 

BTW, F&M up 3-0 on Dickinson still in 1st half.

Since this board is part of D3.com, I was just referring to the D3.com rankings (aka ratings).  Kenyon wasn't in the Top 25.  Yes, Kenyon is #3 in the NCAA regional rankings.

Like I said, the NCAA call will be verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting (according to Sgt. Schultz).  Save flight dollars, or allow two remaining teams within an hour of each other to be able to have an opportunity to host.

Actually, Messiah has proven through the years that it plays better on the road in NCAA tournaments than it does at home.  Its fans will definitely what their Falcons to play at home, but I don't think Messiah's coaches would mind an excursion to central Ohio.

I'll just say it was always better to go away being in the tournament. It makes it feel like that much more of an event. Hosted once and it just wasn't the same. NCAA pays for a tournament bus for fans some do end up making the trek depending how far away it is for schools. 
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Christan Shirk on November 17, 2013, 09:37:08 PM
The sectional host sites that were showing on the D3soccer.com brackets for a period of time were the result of a programming error--nothing more, nothing less.  It was not an attempt to predict the hosts nor was it based on any advanced insider information. 

Sincere apologies for the confusion caused and that we did not catch it and correct it sooner.

If there is any positive in an error of this nature, it is that it lets us know how much people go to our website for their D-III soccer information.  We are so thankful for the growing number of people that visit the site as we strive to build credibility and earn trust.  Thus we truly regret mistakes that undermine that aim.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 17, 2013, 09:57:01 PM
Christan, thanks for the clarification, but no worries.  The errors seemed unlikely, especially when the second one showed up, and the only real problem would be if any travel plans were confirmed which I highly doubt. 

The site is great.  As a relatively new person here I appreciate all of the information available, integrity with respect to lack of bias, and passion for D3 collegiate soccer.  I know first-hand that the players are committed to their sport and their teammates as much or more so than athletes in any other segment of sports, and so it is much appreciated to have a site and folks like yourself dedicated to focusing on D3 soccer.  I enjoy seeing the passion that other posters have for their teams, and the schools also seem to be investing in providing more coverage with better and more frequent video, regular interview shows, profiles of student-athletes, etc.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Christan Shirk on November 18, 2013, 12:24:07 AM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 17, 2013, 05:49:15 PM
Is the Rose Hulman win the biggest upset in D3 tourney history?  OWU is #1 seed in entire tournament.

How about Neumann beating Messiah two years ago in the same situation: top overall seed gets first round bye and gets upset by winner of mediocre-to-weak conference in second round?

Close call.  On one hand, Rose-Hulman might have been less expected to pull off the upset than Neumann.  They didn't win their conference regular season title and were carrying more losses and ties coming in (11-5-5) than Neumann (13-4-1) who did win both the conference reg. season and tournament.  Also Neumann in beating Salisbury in the 1st round already raised eye-brows and gave notice in a way that Rose-Hulman's win of PSU-Behrend in round 1 did not.

On the other hand, while Ohio Wesleyan was the #1 overall seed and undefeated, Messiah was all that and more, riding a 42-game unbeaten streak and the three-time defending champions (eight of previous eleven) and a team that had never been upset in a tournament game in their history (tied or lost to a top team or a better team, but never truly upset).

So, I think Messiah was the bigger giant than Ohio Wesleyan, but maybe Rose-Hulman is a smaller David than was Neumann.  Either way, both very shocking, both very huge upsets.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: PaulNewman on November 18, 2013, 07:35:41 AM
Also interesting that OWU won the title 2 years ago, and that year and this year we don't get to see a Messiah vs OWU matchup.  These are the top 2 programs in D3 history, correct?  Messiah with far more titles, but OWU with most NCAA appearances and coach with most wins in collegiate soccer regardless of division.  Would have been nice to see them play.  If memory serves Messiah in 2011 handed OWU one of its only losses of the  year in the first game of the season.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 18, 2013, 09:51:43 AM
I only have 9 of remaining 16 correct.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Madhatter5 on November 18, 2013, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 18, 2013, 09:51:43 AM
I only have 9 of remaining 16 correct.

I only have 10 of mine remaining...woof... but my Final Four is surprisingly intake.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 18, 2013, 03:56:36 PM

Messiah vs Kenyon at 7:00.   F&M vs Rose-Hulman is listed at 7:30.  So which is it?


Rutgers-Camden plays York at 5:00, Montclair St vs Rochester at 7:30. 
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 18, 2013, 08:29:42 PM
Messiah v Kenyon at 5:00
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Christan Shirk on December 08, 2013, 08:48:22 AM
So, what's the prize for the co-winners of the duhawkfutbol bracket challenge?

Congrats to lastguyoffthebench who got the most picks correct even if losing the points lead when Rutgers-Camden fell to Messiah in the final.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 08, 2013, 12:03:50 PM

A high five...  Nice job, Christian.   

Congrats to Messiah.
Title: Re: 2013 Bracket Challenge
Post by: Puerco Espin on December 09, 2013, 10:49:59 AM
Umm...karma?

Thanks everyone for participating this year. And of course, congrats to Messiah. Once again, they've shown the country that they are the elite program in Division III.