Participating NCAA North Region Schools and Matchups
Regional based @ Loras
Luther @ Lake Forest
Luther/Lake Forest @ Loras
Regional @ GAC
GAC vs. St. Scholastica
Carleton vs. Westminster
Regional @ Wartburg
Wartburg vs. Dominican
UWO vs. Hope
Predictions? Analysis?
1st Round
@ Lake Forest
Luther vs. Lake Forest......Luther 2-0
@ GAC
GAC vs. St. Scholastica......GAC 1-0
Carleton vs. Westminister.....Carleton 3-0
@ Wartburg
Wartburg vs. Dominican...... Dominican 2-1
UWO vs. Hope.............UWO 2-1
2nd Round
@ Loras
Luther vs. Loras.........Loras 3-1
@ GAC
GAC vs. Carleton......GAC 2-0
@ Wartburg
Domincan vs. UWO.....UWO 1-0
1st Round
@ Lake Forest
Luther vs. Lake Forest......Luther 2-1
@ GAC
GAC vs. St. Scholastica......GAC 2-1 OT
Carleton vs. Westminister.....Carleton 3-0
@ Wartburg
Wartburg vs. Dominican...... Wartburg 2-1
UWO vs. Hope.............UWO 3-1
2nd Round
@ Loras
Luther vs. Loras.........Loras 3-1
@ GAC
GAC vs. Carleton......Carleton 2-1 OT
@ Wartburg
Warburg vs. UWO.....UWO 2-1
1st Round
@ Lake Forest
Luther vs. Lake Forest......Luther 2-0 - Lake Forest has kept games close, but not won against teams of Luther's ability.
@ GAC
GAC vs. St. Scholastica......GAC 1-0 - GAC comes into this match seeking revenge of a lose where they outplays CSS. If GAC scores early, it could get ugly.
Carleton vs. Westminister.....Carleton 2-0 - The Knights are the heavy favorite. A couple of early goals for CarlEton...
@ Wartburg
Wartburg vs. Dominican...... Dominican 2-1 - While its been a bit of a down year by typical DU standards, I think they beat the Burg...
UWO vs. Hope....UWO 2-1 - MIAA is a tough conference. I think Hope is probably better than we all expect. But I think UWO still wins this one.
2nd Round
@ Loras
Luther vs. Loras.........Loras 2-1 - Luther keeps it close on the scoreline, but I would be absolutely shocked if they pull off the upset.
@ GAC
GAC vs. Carleton......GAC 1-0 - Another rematch for the Gusties from the regular season. I watched the first game, and CarlEton could not keep up with the pace of the GAC midfield. I don't think GAC looks as dominate this time around, but still comes out the victor.
@ Wartburg
Dominican vs. UWO.....UWO 1-0 - IMHO, UWO is the strongest team in this quadrant.
Regional based @ Loras
Luther vs. Lake Forest: should be a very tightly contested match. They have very similar results against comparable opponents. Rumor has it celebrity Lake Forest alum Tim Duncan will be at the game to give the Demon Deacons an added boost. Lake Forest hasn't dropped a home game since mid September so I think they keep their winnings ways going vs. the Norse. 1-0 Lake Forest.
Lake Forest @ Loras: Loras will be too much to handle at home vs. whichever team they play. They have already trashed Luther once, and I can't imagine they would have a problem with Lake Forest. Loras 2-0
Regional @ GAC
GAC vs. Scholastica: GAC should be able to take care of business at home vs. CSS. The teams met early in the season with GAC dominating but not scoring and losing on a PK. GAC 2-0
CarlEton vs. Westminster: Could CarlEton lose in the 1st round to a team slightly over .500 for the second consecutive season? Nah..... 3-1 CarlE's.
GAC vs. CarlEton: There's only one Zach Brown. 2-1 GAC.
Regional @ Wartburg:
Wartburg vs. Dominican: The Stars have gone on a nice run as of late but have played no one of note during that stretch. The Warts are battle tested and should be able to handle their first round matchup. 2-1 Wartburg
UWO vs. Hope: UWOhnnnoooo two consecutive losses to end the season. Hope 1-0
Wartburg vs. Hope: Hope ends the Warts season. Hope 2-1 (OT).
Regional based @ Loras
Luther @ Lake Forest >>> Luther 2-0
Luther @ Loras >>> Loras 2-0
Regional @ GAC
GAC vs. St. Scholastica >>> GAC 2-1
Carleton vs. Westminster >>> Carleton 3-0
GAC vs. Carleton >>> 1-0 GAC
Regional @ Wartburg
Wartburg vs. Dominican >>> Wartburg 2-0
UWO vs. Hope >>> UWO 1-0
Wartburg vs. UWO >>> Wartburg 2-1
Sweet 16/Elite 8
Loras
GAC
Wartburg
Trinity (TX)
Regional based @ Loras
Luther @ Lake Forest >>> Luther 2-1
Luther @ Loras >>> Loras 1-0
--Pregame jitters for the Duhawks and only able to capitalize for 1.
Regional @ GAC
GAC vs. St. Scholastica >>> GAC 1-1 (OT)
Carleton vs. Westminster >>> Carleton 2-1
---Westminster gets crushed but holds on defensively like they have all year.
GAC vs. Carleton >>> 2-2 GAC (PK's)
Regional @ Wartburg
Wartburg vs. Dominican >>> Wartburg 2-2 (OT)
UWO vs. Hope >>> UWO 2-0
Wartburg vs. UWO >>> UWO 2-0
Loras Regional
Luther @ Lake Forest -- Lake Forest 2-2 (PK's)
Lake Forest @ Loras -- Loras 2-0
Gus Davis Regional
GAC vs CSS -- GAC 2-1 (OT)
Carleton vs Westminster -- CAR 2-0
CAR vs GAC -- CAR 2-1
Wartburg Regional
Warts vs Dominican -- Wartburg 2-1
UWO vs Hope -- Hope 1-0
Wartburg vs Hope -- Wartburg 1-0
Sweet 16/Elite 8
Loras
Carleton
Wartburg
Trinity (TX)
Regional based @ Loras
Luther @ Lake Forest - Lake Forest 2-1
Lake Forest @ Loras - Loras 4-1
Regional @ GAC
GAC vs. St. Scholastica - GAC 2-0
Carleton vs. Westminster - CAR 2-1
GAC vs. CAR - 1-1 (CAR in PKS)
Regional @ Wartburg
Wartburg vs. Dominican- Wart 1-0 (only because it is at Wart)
UWO vs. Hope- 1-1 (UWO in PKS)
UWO vs. Wart- UWO 1-0
In the regionals at Wartburg and GAC - look for low scoring and a couple PK shootouts because of grass fields (not sure as to their condition), the cold, and subpar teams.*
* Just kidding about the third factor.
GAC's field is almost always top class. Carleton similarly has a great natural grass field. Maybe two of the best natural grass surfaces and soccer stadiums in the Midwest as far as D3 goes.
It's certain to be pretty frozen though, so the ball may bounce more like it does on a turf field??
The wind is going to be the real element to factor in at GAC. It's pretty rare that there isn't a strong wind up on the hill.
Should be a great weekend. Excited to see who comes out to play. I think with the exception of Loras and maybe Trinity (?) the rest of the teams in this side of the bracket are all pretty even and capable of upsetting the favorites.
From some of the images online, it seems like the GAC field was able to handle the first snow in MN. I guess the real question is can it sufficiently handle three games in two days? Hopefully it doesn't rain or snow (forecast says it might), otherwise Sunday's game might be pretty sloppy.
Looking forward to Luther vs Lake Forest tomorrow. A lot of even matchups in this first round...
For a field to handle three games in a short spell at this time is a lot for any natural surface, but it's hard to imagine any field at this latitude being in much better shape than GAC's --- at least according to the photos I've seen.
I've been to Bell Field .... great atmosphere. GAC looks nice, but having a track around it costs aesthetic points in my book. I'll hype SJU (surprise, I know), but Haws Field, aka "Get Your Hips Dirty Pitch," has the potential to be one of the league's better soccer-only venues. They built it the right way, stayed off the turf for a year, but it will take a few years to see how the grass/topsoil mix settles in and seasons.
http://vimeo.com/46038931 (http://vimeo.com/46038931)
I hate the fact that there is a track around the GAC field. It is more entertaining as a player and a fan when the fans are 5 feet from the field (in my opinion).
Regional based @ Loras
Luther @ Lake Forest >>> Luther 2-1
Luther @ Loras >>> Loras 1-0
Regional @ GAC
GAC vs. St. Scholastica >>> GAC 2-1 OT
Carleton vs. Westminster >>> Carleton 3-0
GAC vs. Carleton >>> 1-0 GAC OT
Regional @ Wartburg
Wartburg vs. Dominican >>> Wartburg 2-0
UWO vs. Hope >>> UWO 1-0
Wartburg vs. UWO >>> UWO 2-1
Sweet 16/Elite 8
Loras
GAC
UWO
Trinity (TX)
I see St Scholastica winning 2 games and then losing a tight one to Loras.
I don't think CSS is getting by GAC. GAC didn't play well in their conf tourney, but I think that will be sorted out before the CSS match.
The only thing that would surprise me from this weekends regional at GAC is if Westminster advances to play Loras/Luther.
oshkosh absolutely dominating hope except for hope has the longest throw in i have ever seen by far. they have scored both of their goals off it and almost a third
Quote from: Durantula on November 15, 2013, 09:55:28 PM
oshkosh absolutely dominating hope except for hope has the longest throw in i have ever seen by far. they have scored both of their goals off it and almost a third
TRUTH. FROZEN ROPE.
does anyone know how many assists that kid has or how many of their goals have been created by that??? it looks like thats their only offense!! kick it off them and get throws!!
Quote from: Durantula on November 15, 2013, 10:03:45 PM
does anyone know how many assists that kid has or how many of their goals have been created by that??? it looks like thats their only offense!! kick it off them and get throws!!
only 1 before this match? weird.
Can UWO pull it off?
Guess not...
http://www.nscaa.com/news/2013/12/2013-nscaa-continental-tire-ncaa-division-iii-men-s-all-north-region
meh
Five All-Region picks for the Du's. Not too shabby.
Hard to believe that there were no UW-Whitewater players honored at all after a 14-6-1 season. I understand they fell off towards the end, but there were some very good players that deserved recognition. You would think one of them would get at least a 3rd team nod. Anyway, congratulations to those honored.
Loras @ Whitewater is a little more than two weeks away. Let the chatter begin
How will Lake Forest be this season as they try to assert themselves as the best team in the Midwest Conf?
Lake Forest will be irrelevant this year in my mind as they have to find a new strategy soccer. Give it to Mehir and let him beat up on lesser teams is no longer an option.
Quote from: wiacwatcher on August 12, 2014, 10:32:23 AM
Loras @ Whitewater is a little more than two weeks away. Let the chatter begin
I don't know much about Whitewater's squad this season, but they are always a side with talent. I do know the DuHawks are once again an impressive group this year. The have some big losses in Cavers and Figura, both All-Americans with Cavers our C-mid and Figura being the Defensive POY are a big set of boots to fill. Good news is Coach Rothert has arguably the deepest squad in the country so I suspect this was not a surprise and there were replacements being molded last season.
Loras just returned from a preseason trip to Costa Rica where they trained, played competitive matches against local clubs, and happily served the communities in which they stayed.
Loras left their trip un defeated against some very talented oppostion. I am expecting more high level soccer out of these men in 2014.
Prediction for LOR v UWW: Loras 2-0.
It is always difficult to play away on a grass field. Im going to say the duhawks will win this one 2-1, goals from Bradley and Rummelhart. While being challenged on grass, I feel the duhawks just have too much talent for UWW. The Hawk Cup will return to Dubuque where it belongs.
I imagine Loras will benefit from the preseason trip to Costa Rica. The added practices and matches against quality opposition prior to the season should only add to the firepower that they already possess. I am curious why this game is held in UWW once again this year. After it was played in Whitewater last season, I expected this to be played at the Rock Bowl. Also, with the game being played opening night rather than later in the season, there may be some kinks to work out for both squads. UWW hasn't played opposition of this caliber on opening night for years.
In my opinion the key players in this game are Tom Fluegel for the Duhawks and Ryan Reid for the Warhawks. Both actually come from the same high school and know each other very well. With Fluegel playing in an attacking role and Reid in the back, this matchup could determine the outcome.
The extra practices and games will prove to be too much for UWW. The depth of Loras should give them fits as well. I think UWW steals one early, but Loras comes back for the victory.
I'm going to go with 2-1 to Loras.
So by "years" do you mean three casualfan? UWW played Pac Lutheran and Whitworth on the opening weekend 3 years ago. And from the archives it seems as though five projected starters for the Warhawks got significant time that weekend. UWW will be ready opening night with no more rust than Loras has. UWW returns two fifth year seniors in Ty McCoy and John Gottwald who will be roaming the middle with many years of experience under their belt. Sam Novak returns up top for the Warhawks. He gave the DuHawks problems last year on the counter with his speed and strength. Loras is the favorite in my mind but I do not think UWW should be counted out so easily. Loras will dominate the game but lose 1-0 on a Ty McCoy goal in the first half.
Who did Loras play on their trip?
Quote from: wiacwatcher on August 14, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
So by "years" do you mean three casualfan? UWW played Pac Lutheran and Whitworth on the opening weekend 3 years ago. And from the archives it seems as though five projected starters for the Warhawks got significant time that weekend. UWW will be ready opening night with no more rust than Loras has. UWW returns two fifth year seniors in Ty McCoy and John Gottwald who will be roaming the middle with many years of experience under their belt. Sam Novak returns up top for the Warhawks. He gave the DuHawks problems last year on the counter with his speed and strength. Loras is the favorite in my mind but I do not think UWW should be counted out so easily. Loras will dominate the game but lose 1-0 on a Ty McCoy goal in the first half.
Pacific Lutheran made the tournament and had a 4-1 first round loss to the Redlands in 2011 while Whitworth did not make the tournament at all. Hardly comparable to the Back-to-Back Final Fours of Loras. I still believe that UWW will struggle to score as neither McCoy and Gottwald are huge scoring threats. Novak has had a total of 7 goals in 2 years. Will there be a recruit that comes in that can score some goals since you know so much about UWW?
A team's form at the start of the season is a lot different from their form at the end of the season. Looking at last year, Loras went up to the Advantage Emblem Cup and did not come home with the trophy. Something Whitewater did the previous year. My previous post was simply stating that Whitewater will not be as far behind the ball as you are making it seem. I also never said that McCoy, Gottwald and Novak would be big goal scorers this year. I said that the two fifth years would help control the middle while Novak would cause the Loras backline (or whatever you call it) problems. All in all to end this rant I also never said Whitewater was going to win in a offensive slugfest.
As for recruits I am not close enough to the situation to know who is coming into the program. So it looks like you and I will have to wait to see who the new faces will be for the Warhawks.
I never stated that you said those three would be big goal scorers. Just said that imo, they will struggle to score goals once again this season. Those three are solid players, but not true goal scorers by definition. If UWW can add a pure goal scoring threat, they could be dangerous.
Besides UWW and Loras. I hear UWO will be without All Conference forward Kirby Allen this year. Can anyone confirm this?
Rumor has it, UWO is playing the Milwaukee Sport Club Majors team on Thursday night. MSC won the highly competitive Majors League this pas fall over the Croatian Eagles. Will be a great test for UWO early on in preseason. Aside from this, I have no insight on the Titans.
Looking at UWW's 2014 roster a couple things jump out at me. They lost two starters from the previous year in Shone and Sundby. This years team has added two field players and one goalie who are 6' 6" or 6' 7" tall (wonder how many inches they added to each of those guys). And lastly the 6' 7" forward is a transfer from Loyola. As Casual Fan said if this kid is a pure goaling scoring threat, they could be dangerous.
Looking at UWP 2014 roster two major things come to my attention. They will be very young this year and Emilo Lopez who was one bright spot for the team last year is not on the roster this year.
surprised not to see Shone on the roster. I'm guessing an injury maybe the cause and will verify. Saw him play a few times this summer and was looking strong and from what I understand was planning to return to UWW.
Stanko, the transfer fom Loyola is definately tall, although I don't know that he's actually 6'7 (unless he's grown in the last year). Strang to see him listed as a forward, he's traditioanlly played center back. He's got a canon for a leg, pretty strong technically and certainly a threat in the air. It will be interesting to see how he tranitions to the forward role.
Looking at past years statistics it seems as though last year was Shone's last year of eligibility
I guess we'll find out how UWW can fare on Friday then. Division I transfers rarely hurt a team so I'm sure Stanko should add a different dynamic to the team that's been missing. Shone was a senior last year so he's gone. I'm sure McCoy can step in and fill the void that Shone's graduation leaves. Shone was a very consistent player for UWW, but he wasn't going to take over a game. Can Stanko provide that aspect? Who knows? Another DI transfer joins the Warhawks in Kevin Winters from UW-Green Bay. Could he shore up the backline and help out where Sundby will be missed? Guinn must have gotten some things right on the recruiting end of things.
UWP should be around the same as last year. They return key players in Streich and Sarr. Losing Lopez and McMahon from last season, who should have returned, will be hard to overcome I'm sure. Look out for impact newcomers from Sean Ryan, Babacar Kone, and Greg Michalski.
UWO has yet to post their roster so no real thoughts there.
Hey Gustie, just curious where you've seen Stanko and Shone play? I always wondered where Shone played during the summer and this Stanko guy intrigues me..
They both played youth club and U23 with Strikers Fox Valley SC. McCoy and Freshman GK Lucatoro from UWW also played with Strikers. I'd imagine Lucatoro won't see many minutes this year, as UWW has a Sr. Keeper this year, but Chris is very talented. Definitely a great pick up for the Warhawks.
Quote from: casualfan on August 27, 2014, 10:49:28 PM
I guess we'll find out how UWW can fare on Friday then. Division I transfers rarely hurt a team so I'm sure Stanko should add a different dynamic to the team that's been missing.
Word has it Stanko was only at Loyola because of his father being a professor/administrator and costing the program 0 money... he was brought in under the old coach who was fired. His stats were very forgettable in one year despite his size. Could be a stud or could have been a D3 type all along. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
Quote from: MidwestAficionado on August 28, 2014, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: casualfan on August 27, 2014, 10:49:28 PM
I guess we'll find out how UWW can fare on Friday then. Division I transfers rarely hurt a team so I'm sure Stanko should add a different dynamic to the team that's been missing.
Word has it Stanko was only at Loyola because of his father being a professor/administrator and costing the program 0 money... he was brought in under the old coach who was fired. His stats were very forgettable in one year despite his size. Could be a stud or could have been a D3 type all along. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
His dad does work at Loyola. Not sure of the circumstances surounding his inclusion in the team there however. Tough to judge by his Freshman year stats...Was listed as a Defender at Loyola - so not exactly put in positions to score/assist as much - plus very few freshman see immdiate, impact type minutes at the D1 level...
I'm sure he will make a fine D3 player. I believe he also intends to play Baseketball at UWW.
Quote from: gustiefan04 on August 28, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
They both played youth club and U23 with Strikers Fox Valley SC. McCoy and Freshman GK Lucatoro from UWW also played with Strikers. I'd imagine Lucatoro won't see many minutes this year, as UWW has a Sr. Keeper this year, but Chris is very talented. Definitely a great pick up for the Warhawks.
That makes sense as they're from the Tri-Cities area. Just by googling Lucatorto, you can tell he's had some accolades throughout his high school and club careers. Could be a great pickup for when Rohde graduates. To be honest, if Lucatorto is as talented as it seems, it may be smart for UWW to get him some time this year to see how he does. From the few games I saw, Rohde did not show much for me, giving up a few soft goals imo. Maybe it's the expectations that come with him as a Division I transfer, but I expected more from him at UWW.
The first regional rankings came out and St. Johns is ranked number 4. What did they do to deserve this? Weren't they a pretty average team last year besides doing well in the MIAC tourney?
St. John's were a decent team last year. Finished 4th in the MIAC and then upset GAC in the MIAC semi-finals only to lose to Carleton in the final 2-0. Maybe the fact that they won their opening two games while the teams below them either only played once or lost? Tough to really take any value from a ranking like this so early in the season...
Quote from: KnightRider23 on September 04, 2014, 11:25:25 AM
St. John's were a decent team last year. Finished 4th in the MIAC and then upset GAC in the MIAC semi-finals only to lose to Carleton in the final 2-0. Maybe the fact that they won their opening two games while the teams below them either only played once or lost? Tough to really take any value from a ranking like this so early in the season...
St. John's plays North Park on Saturday. North Park appears to be a better than last year so should be a good barometer check for St. John's - and North Park for that matter.
I didn't watch it, but from the stats, it looks like North Park really poured it on St. John's. NP won 3-0. NP had 17 shots to St John's 4.
Interesting week in the North Region..
1 Loras College 4-1-0 Wins @ Carrol and against Carleton, Loss against St. Thomas
2 Wartburg 3-1-0 Win @ Fontebonne, Loss @ Webster
3 University Of Wisconsin-Oshkosh 3-1-0 Win against WI Lutheran, Loss against St. Scholastica
4 Saint John's University 3-1-0 Win over Beloit, Loss to North Park (Both @ Concordia-Wisconsin)
5 Luther College 4-0-0 Wins @ Augsburg and @ Waldorf
6 Gustavus Adolphus College 3-2-0 Wins @ Bethany Lutheran & @ Pacific Lutheran, Loss at Puget Sound
7 University of St. Thomas 3-1-0 Wins against Lake Forest and @ Loras
8 University of Wisconsin-Whitewater 2-1-0 Win against Edgewood
9 Carleton College 2-2-0 Win against Rockford, Loss @ Loras
10 St. Olaf College 3-0-0 Wins against Knox and against Minnesota-Morris
Others:
St. Scholastica 2-1-0 Win @ UW-Oshkosh
St. Norbert 3-0-0 Wins @ Concordia-Wisconsin & @ Edgewood
UW-Superior 3-1-0 Wins @ Concordia-Moorhead & against Simpson
Hard to believe that Loras drops a game at home, but it's early and the Duhawks should still be #1 in the region due to the other top 3 teams dropping games. Wartburg picks up a BAD loss to Webster. Could St. Scholastica be a contender in the North or is UWO not quite up there? I could see Carleton dropping out of the regional rankings and St. Scholastica jumping in. Maybe St. Norbert tied for 10th with someone.
Key games to look out for this week are:
9/10 CSS @ Carleton
9/12 CSS @ GAC
9/12 St. Norbert @ Carthage
9/13 UST @ UWS
9/13 Loras @ St. Olaf
9/13 Wartburg @ St. Johns
9/14 UWO @ GAC
9/14 Loras @ St. Johns
Loras could get bumped by St. Thomas (although dominated statisically). Luther, being 4-0, will bump up over St. Johns... Wartburg will get the benefit of the doubt and still be 25 or RV.
Loras fired up about the loss and try to take it out and recover this weekend but frustrations will come again to a solid St. Olaf side.
Loras 1 OT
St. Olaf 1
PS I hope this doesn't happen but I've been there
funny story for north regioners to make fun of. Dominican player who received red card for fighting with Wartburg player in last years ncaa first round game transferred to Carthage and played in first two games. Carthage then had to forfeit those two games. Carthage AD received email about the player but didn't think it was important haha. That really puts a damper on their chances at an at large bid
WOW, I bet the coach is happy with both of these guys! :o Maybe the school needs a compliance director to help out the AD.
crazy week in the north, no idea what the regional rankings will look like after this weekend. St Norbert continues to be undefeated with an easy schedule besides an impressive carthage win, wartburg falling to carthage and then coming back the next day to stomp number one ranked st thomas who also lost to carthage today, loras squeaking by teams this week after giving up early leads and then tying oshkosh who went 0-2-1 on the week, luther barely gets by carleton and still has had a fairly easy schedule.
My nervous and very unsure predictions
Luther
Loras
St Norbert
Wartburg
St thomas
Gustavus
St scholastica
St Olaf
Superior
Simpson??? (since they just beat whitewater today haha last one is up for grabs idk)
Luther College
Loras College
St. Norbert College
Gustavus Adolphus College
Wartburg
St. Thomas
St. Olaf
CSS
It's always interesting to me how much SOS matters. St. Norbert plummets to 10th in the region after two ties even though still undefeated. Wartburg jumps Luther after their head to head win even though that is Luther's first loss.
Huge game tomorrow when Wartburg takes on #5 in the region St. Olaf. If Wartburg wins I predict three teams from the IIAC go to the NCAA tourney while only only the conference champ goes from the MIAC.
Quote from: Durantula on October 07, 2014, 01:55:16 PM
It's always interesting to me how much SOS matters. St. Norbert plummets to 10th in the region after two ties even though still undefeated.
Other than their win over Carthage, who have they beaten of any note?
UW Platteville is 4-5-3, Concordia Wisconsin is 3-8-1, and even Carthage is 5-6... to then go and tie two lowly mWC teams, they don't deserve to be ranked much higher. Although the plummet all the way to 10 is much, its not too far off.
Yes, I agree with you midwest, it just would be depressing to be an undefeated St. Norbert player and see that you are barely in the top ten of the region.
I don't see any team on St. Norberts schedule worth starting a conversation about. Therefore, they should not be expecting much of a ranking. Play the best to be the best.
St Norbert SOS: 331
Luther SOS: 213 (should finish out the year with only 3 blemishes)
Wrong region, but the same can be said for
Lycoming (one solid opponent out of 12 games) SOS: 218 (Won't make the tourney this year; Mid-Atlantic is too stacked; I imagine their NCAA ranking is about 6 or so. Behind Messiah, F&M, Dickinson, Muhlenberg, Scranton, Eastern who will get the auto bid)
Colorado College (only beat Kean 1-0, but only lost to Trinity 1-0... other than that haven't really played anyone) SOS: 209
NYU who is 10-1 has beaten alot of cupcakes; 7th in East region. SOS: 315
Let's say Luther does end the season with three blemishes-- would that be enough to get an at-large bid even though they do not have a signature win (best win is probably St. Olaf)? and St. Olaf could go down after they play Wartburg and St. Thomas anyway.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on October 08, 2014, 11:02:39 AM
St Norbert SOS: 331
Luther SOS: 213 (should finish out the year with only 3 blemishes)
Wrong region, but the same can be said for
Lycoming (one solid opponent out of 12 games) SOS: 218 (Won't make the tourney this year; Mid-Atlantic is too stacked; I imagine their NCAA ranking is about 6 or so. Behind Messiah, F&M, Dickinson, Muhlenberg, Scranton, Eastern who will get the auto bid)
Colorado College (only beat Kean 1-0, but only lost to Trinity 1-0... other than that haven't really played anyone) SOS: 209
NYU who is 10-1 has beaten alot of cupcakes; 7th in East region. SOS: 315
NYU will rise or fall in UAA play, nice win vs Rochester to start
I was thinking NYU falls hard in UAA. Three blemishes should be enough for Luther, and making the IIAC title would lock them in.
Quote from: Durantula on October 07, 2014, 03:05:57 PM
Yes, I agree with you midwest, it just would be depressing to be an undefeated St. Norbert player and see that you are barely in the top ten of the region.
It would be more depressing if you were on a 2 or 3 loss team who played a top 100 schedule and challenged themselves but got rewarded less than a ****e team who played a cupcake schedule and had a better record. It's a very simple fix, Norbert's should schedule harder to prove they belong.
I believe Norbert's will have their first real test of the season when they host UWW on sunday, after playing Lake Forest the day before.
After their win last night UWW is finally at the door knocking asking to be let in to the tournament discussion at 7-3-2. Do bad results hurt them?
I think that door opens up if they get to 9-3-2 and add wins of St. Norbert and UW Superior to their resume. At this point of their season they cannot afford to lose a conference game. Pool B bid or bust for UWW.
St. Norbert has to win against UWW or a blemish that leads to no automatic bid will see their SOS keeping them out of the Tournament (Depauw can testify).
Who are other Group B teams outside of Wisconsin?
And how many group bids are let in the tourney?
Quote from: Durantula on October 09, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
Who are other Group B teams outside of Wisconsin?
SAA does not receive an AQ: Berry, Birmingham Southern, Centre, Hendrix, Millsaps, Oglethorpe, Rhodes, Sewanee... Centre has tied Emory and OWU, lost to Kenyon and Thomas More. If they beat Berry and Birmingham Southern, they could possibly challenge a Wiscy team for that spot.
I think its 1 Pool B; and 20 Pool C (where Pool B teams can also qualify)
Check out my post in the National Perspective thread: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8213.msg1612588#msg1612588
The SAA DOES receive an AQ starting this year. Their 2-year waiting period is up.
Thus, by my count and math, there are 42 AQs, 1 Pool B berth, and 18 Pool C berths.
Also, by my count there are 10 Pool B teams, two of which will declare for other tournaments, meaning eight teams fighting for one Pool B berth.
Pool B teams in 2014:
Maine-Presque Isle
St. Joseph's College (Brooklyn)
Maranatha Baptist (I think they'll delare for the NCCAA tournament instead)
UW-Oshkosh
UW-Platteville
UW-Superior
UW-Whitewater
Findlandia
Nebraska Wesleyan (I think they'll delare for the NAIA tournament instead)
UC Santa Cruz
Watching Luther play a very average Platteville team. Can someone who's followed Luther all year tell me why they are so highly regarded? And please don't read me what they did in 2013, it's 2014.
So looking at those Pool B teams it is a four horse race.
UC Santa Cruz: 7-4-1 (Important Games Remaining: Chapman, Claremont, Trinity) (Best Win: North Park)
UW Whitewater: 7-3-2 (Important Games Remaining: UW Superior, UW Oshkosh, St. Norbert) (Best Win: North Park)
UW Superior: 8-4 (Important Games Remaining: UW Whitewater, St. Olaf, St. Scholastica) (Best Win: N/A)
UW Oshkosh: 8-5-1 (Important Games Remaining: UW Whitewater, St. Norbert) (Best Win: UW Superior)(Tied: @Loras)
What will make this interesting is if UW Superior beats UWW and then UWW beats UWO. Leaving a three way tie atop the WIAC.
Superior loses to St. Olaf 1-0
Oshkosh did not play this weekend
UWW beats St. Norbert 2-1
UC Santa Cruz loses to Claremont 2-1
It's pretty safe to say this is a 3 way race between the 3 UW teams. UC has too low of a strength of schedule relative to the Wisconsin schools. UWS and UWW face this weekend with serious implications for everyone involved.
Prediction for tomorrows regional rankings
1. Loras
2. Wartburg
3. Luther
4. Gustavus
5. St Olaf
6. St Scholastica
7. Oshkosh
8. St Thomas
9. Whitewater
10. Carleton
Quote from: Durantula on October 13, 2014, 06:12:05 PM
Prediction for tomorrows regional rankings
1. Loras
2. Wartburg
3. Luther
4. Gustavus
5. St Olaf
6. St Scholastica
7. Oshkosh
8. St Thomas
9. Whitewater
10. Carleton
Durantuala, I like that list. It matches up with mine pretty well!
1. Loras
2. Wartburg
3. Luther
4. GAC
5. St. Olaf
6. St. Scholastica
7. UW Oshkosh
8. UW Whitewater
9. St. Thomas
10. UW Superior
IIAC rules the rankings again
Really like these Midweek Roundups...
http://www.d3soccer.com/columns/midwest-roundup/2014/midwest-roundup-wk7
However, they only cover the same conferences every week, and leave out several important areas of the "Midwest". What about the IIAC, MIAC, CCIW, etc? While in the North Region, these are definately Midwest schools/conferences.
Excited to see how the final few weeks of the season play out in the North Region. Loras isn't as much a clear-cut front runner this year. Hoping to see things get shaken up a bit...
Quote from: gustiefan04 on October 15, 2014, 03:41:47 PM
Really like these Midweek Roundups...
http://www.d3soccer.com/columns/midwest-roundup/2014/midwest-roundup-wk7
However, they only cover the same conferences every week, and leave out several important areas of the "Midwest". What about the IIAC, MIAC, CCIW, etc? While in the North Region, these are definately Midwest schools/conferences.
The "Midwest Roundup" and the other write-ups (Upstate Update, Women's Watch) are being written by volunteer contributors. D3soccer.com is a two-person operation for the most part and in many respects a spare-time hobby. So we are dependent on volunteer contributors for new content, and all the more so as work and family commitments have left both Jim Matson and me with less time for the website in recent years (thus the absence of my Flyby columns).
The "Midwest Roundup" came about when someone contacted D3soccer.com in the off-season expressing interest in doing a column covering the SLIAC, NCAC, OAC, HCAC, and SAA. We accepted the offer and for lack of a better name,"Midwest" was used despite clearly not covering the entire Midwest. After a couple weeks of the column we were contacted by people wondering why such-and-such conference wasn't covered, and the dialogue that ensued resulted in new contributors providing coverage of the MIAA and MWC. As you mention we are missing some high level, high interest conferences (namely IIAC, CCIW, and MIAC) that reside in the broad Midwest region.
Despite being at my limit time-wise to proof and format the contributions, we would still welcome additional volunteer contributors to cover these and other regions/conferences. There are people on this forum that I know could do a good job, but I also know that its nice to write and share with the freedom and flexibility and informality that a forum provides versus the commitment, deadlines, and formality of doing so for a website. If someone is seriously interested and committed to submitting a weekly update for a conference or region not yet covered, please contact me via the contact info on the website.
Loras loses to UWP 1-0 in overtime. This gives Loras a 1-1-1 record against the WIAC this season. A blowout win against UWW, a comeback tie against UWO and now this loss against UWP.
With a win this weekend @Luther I still believe Loras would be worthy of the top spot in the regional rankings.
4 Big Games this Weekend Include (Prediction):
Loras @ Luther (Loras 3-2)
GAC @ Macalester (GAC 2-0)
UWW @ UWS (UWW 2-1)
Dubuque @ Wartburg (Wartburg 2-0)
This year has been the most unpredictable season that I can remember in the North Region. Teams are dropping games to below average opponents and then coming back to upset a higher ranked team more than a few times. There isn't a clear cut front-runner from the region so NCAA tourney time is sure to be exciting.
Early Predictions for NCAA Qualifiers
IIAC-Loras (AQ), Wartburg, Luther......all 3 get in, hard to bet against Loras still
MIAC-St. Olaf (AQ), GAC........a toss up between the two for the AQ, both should get in
MWC-Knox.....seems like they may be the best of a bad conference
UMAC-St. Scholastica (AQ)...........far above the rest
WIAC-UW-Whitewater......it'll be a tough test for any WIAC team to go unscathed through regular season & conference tourney
Other thoughts?
I have looked into this casual fan, and I might be wrong because I am still new to this, but I think you may be being a little optimistic. In the past 5 years:
1/5 years the North Region got 3 at large bids
2/5 years the North Region got 2 at large bids
2/5 years the North Region got 1 at large bids
Last year was the year that we got three at larges, and I think that can be explained by Luther beating Trinity in a non region game. Loras beating everyone in non region games, and Carthage getting beat by Wartburg and a MIAC team I think? We have not done nearly as well this year (Trinity beat St Scholastica, Carthage beat St Thomas and Wartburg). Also last year the central region got NO at large bids which I don't see happening again with the quality of teams they have this year. After next weeks top 25 polls, the North region might not even have anyone in the top ten because of the Loras loss!
I guess I would say that there is a small chance that we get three again this year which would mean no at large bid for the MIAC.
2013
Loras (AQ)
Lake Forest (AQ)
Luther
GAC
CSS (AQ)
Carleton (AQ)
Wartburg
UWO (Pool B)
Luther SOS at 235.... only have one more game vs a team over .500 (LORAS). Jamestown is NAIA so that will not count towards their regional ranking. Could their bubble burst if some of the big teams fail to win the AQ?
Good point, Durantula. I had only looked closely at last year's NCAA participants so that's why I went with 3 At-Large Pool C bids.
Take out the MIAC at-large for my predictions then.
Had the pleasure of watching UWW vs. UWS and boy it was a good one. UWW went ahead 2-0 in the second half only to surrender the go ahead pk with a minute and thirty seconds left. After it seemed as though UWS had won it with an amazing comeback UWW scores with thirty seconds left to stun the home crowd. The match ended in a 3-3 tie and the result was deserving for both sides.
UWW improves to 9-3-3 after this weekend and UWS goes to 9-5-1. UWS ends conference play with a 2-1-1 record. UWW has conference record of 1-0-1. A win for UWW against UWP will setup a fight for the #1 seed with Oshkosh on Nov. 2 @WW.
I think both UWW & UWS really needed the win, with UWS a bit more desperate. It sounds like UWS might be outta the race for the NCAA with 6 blemishes (5 losses). UWW continues a decent unbeaten streak but a win would've been huge.
Games Remaining for UWO & UWW
UWO 9-5-1: @St. Norbert, Finlandia, UWP, @UWW
UWW 9-3-3: Chicago, Marian, UWP, UWO
UWO should beat St. Norbert & Finlandia. UWP has been up & down so who knows. 3-0 going into the matchup withe UWW is most likely.
UWW has a tough test with Chicago and then a should be win with Marian. Same above with UWP. The Warhawks have all 4 at home so could that be the x-factor to finish the season to get the Pool B bid?
Then the rivalry game, UWO @ UWW, is sure to be a barn burner after the 4-0 win for Oshkosh last year. I'm sure the Warhawks haven't forgotten that match. With the game being played on grass at Fiskum Field, I'll go with UWW by a goal.
What do you think would occur if it comes down to UWW and UWO in the final game of the year and they tie? Let us just say for the sake of argument that UWO wins out and finishes 12-5-1 with a SOS of 115. And say UWW finishes either 11-4-3, 11-3-4, or 12-3-3 (because they still have Chicago who is always a tough game) with a SOS of 57. Is this when the conference tournament actually has a purpose?
Where do you get those SOS numbers from? Just curious.
If those SOS's are correct, you'd think UWW would probably get the bid no matter what with a solid SOS and a decent record. I'm sure the conference tournament could affect things though. Winning out and tied UWO would probably clinch it for UWW in my opinion. Should be an exciting last few weeks. Also, the NCAA Regional Rankings should tell us a lot about what they're thinking for Pool B.
Region WP SOS Record vs Ranked
UWW 53rd .700 81 (.596) 2-1 (W: MSOE 1-0, NP 1-0; L: Loras 0-3)
UWO 85th .567 107 (.633) 0-2-1 (L: MSOE 0-2, NP 2-2; T: Loras 2-2) If CSS ranked (1-2-1)
UWS 133rd
SOS number was pulled from Massey Rankings. SOS percentage is OWP (OOWP not calculated). It's interesting to see UWO SOS not as strong, but OWP is higher.
Common opponents:
UWW UWO
Loras 0-3 2-2
MSOE 1-0 0-2
North Park 1-0 0-2
Central 1-0 1-0
Concordia 1-1 4-1
UWS 3-3 1-0
3-1-3 3-2-1
Thanks for the stats lastguy.
How is it possible that UWO SOS is not as high, but OWP is? Do both/either stat take home & away matches into account? Just trying to wrap my head around that.
Hard to split them apart with UWW 3-1-2 record compared to UWO's 3-2-1. Most likely will come down to the finale like we are normally used to.
First Official Regional Rankings:
1. Loras
2. Luther
3. Wartburg
4. St. Olaf
5. UW Whitewater
6. Gustavus Adolphus
7. UW Oshkosh
What does everyone think?
Looks about right I'd say. One might argue that Luther & Wartburg could be flipped in rank, or UWW and GAC. But based on recent results, I think its a pretty solid/accurate ranking.
Something to keep in mind too is that no UMAC or MWC teams appear in the rankings. So if we operate under the assumption that the North will get 6 or 7 teams into the tournament. This is going to push the teams at the bottom of these regional rankings out of the dance, unless they win their confernce AQ or Pool B bid...
Seems about accurate. Plenty of games left for the rankings to change. Here's the remaining matches prior to conference tournaments.
1. Loras....vs. Wartburg, @ Coe
2. Luther....vs. St. Mary's, @ Central, @ Dubuque
3. Wartburg....@ Loras, vs. Buena Vista
4. St. Olaf....@ UST, @ Augsburg, @ Carleton
5. UWW....vs. Chicago, vs. Marian, vs. UWP, vs. UWO
6. GAC....@ Augsburg, vs. Bethel, @ Hamline
7. UWO....vs. Finlandia, vs. UWP, @ UWW
Not sure I can find another team deserving of being in this group. Knox & CSS have great records but in bad conferences.
GAC may be in need of the AQ in order to make the tourney.
UWW & UWO are Pool B or bust
Probably 2 out of the 3 IIAC's get in.
St. Olaf should be in with a strong finish to the year and make it to the conference tournament final.
Lot of season left...
If UWW beats Chicago this weekend and Wartburg and St. Olaf lose on the road to solid teams does UWW jump to third?
Does Loras hold on to the top spot with a loss at home to Wartburg?
Does UST jump into the #7 spot with a win against St. Olaf and UWO losing SOS with a game vs Findlandia?
I feel as though Loras are alone at the top with their strong SOS and Record. Luther and Wartburg are neck and neck for two and three. And then 4-7 is all a close race. Next weeks rankings will straighten a lot of things out.
Loras beats Wartburg 3-1
Luther beats Central
St. Olaf Ties St. Thomas
UWW beats Chicago in OT
GAC wins over Augsburg
UWO beats UWP
In my opinion St. Olaf lacks a quality win on their schedule. In big games they havent been able to get the job done. GAC on the other hand has two good wins over Scholastica and Oshkosh. I believe GAC should be the higher MIAC team, especially with having tied Olaf on the road.
As for Wartburg it seems as though this is the wrong time to start slumping. 0-1-2 in their last 3. Granted they played very good competition, these are the teams they need to beat to prove they are tournament worthy.
By your judgment, how should this weeks regional rankings look? And give me your overall thoughts with the week ahead. Please?
Projected Regional Rankings
1. Loras
2. Luther
3. UWW (Wins against North Park and Chicago and not having lost since 9/26 earn them this spot)
4. Wartburg (Recent form needs to be taken into consideration, they havent performed lately and that is why they drop a spot)
5. GAC (The better MIAC School)
6. St. Olaf (No big win drops them in my mind)
7. UWO (A win against UWW Sunday will do wonders for their tournament hopes)
Out of my element here in the North, but assuming both win last 2 games don't see how you can put GAC at 7-2-1 ahead of St Olaf at 8-0-2.
St. Olaf has not beat a team that has a tournament worthy resume. GAC has beaten a St. Scholastica team that will be in the tournament and be competitive and they have beaten Wisconsin Oshkosh who narrowly beat Loras and are a win Sunday away from being the top candidate for the pool b bid.
Looking at these quality wins along with the fact that they went to St Olaf and got a result is why I believe they are the more deserving side
My thoughts for the Regional Rankings
1. Loras
2. Luther
3. UWW
4. Wartburg
5. St. Olaf
Tied for 6. UWO
Tied for 6. GAC
I would argue that Luther would have the easiest schedule of the group, but they've come out with a pretty good record. A final match with a Dubuque squad who have been surprising in the IIAC. UWW & UWO come away from the week with important wins. UWO may be creeping a bit up the rankings imo. That showdown in Whitewater next weekend should be a good one. GAC should win out and finish right around 5-7 prior to the MIAC tourney. St. Olaf should have a telling match when they face Carleton.
Not too many surprise results since week 1 of the NCAA Regional Rankings.
Quote from: wiacwatcher on October 27, 2014, 01:07:03 PM
St. Olaf has not beat a team that has a tournament worthy resume. GAC has beaten a St. Scholastica team that will be in the tournament and be competitive and they have beaten Wisconsin Oshkosh who narrowly beat Loras and are a win Sunday away from being the top candidate for the pool b bid.
Looking at these quality wins along with the fact that they went to St Olaf and got a result is why I believe they are the more deserving side
Loras 2-2 UWOshkosh ;)
My mistake meant to add "narrowly ALMOST"
A point to note coming up to this big UWW vs. UWO game Sunday.
Whitewater plays Tuesday and Friday while Oshkosh has the whole week off
The game between Oshkosh and Whitewater have serious implications for the rest of the region. Whitewater may either be on a roll or exhausted and still should not overlook a spirited Platteville team. And Oshkosh could either be well rested or rusty.
I guess the NSCAA voters do not take a look at the NCAA regional rankings.
1. Loras
2. Luther
3. Wartburg
4. St. Olaf
5. GAC
6. Scholastica
7. UW Oshkosh
8. UW Whitewater
9. Macalester
10. Saint Johns
I want some of what the NSCAA voters are smoking
NCAA
North
1. Loras 13-2-1 13-2-1
2. Wartburg 10-3-4 10-3-4
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater 10-3-3 10-3-3
4. St. Olaf 11-3-2 11-3-2
5. Gustavus Adolphus 11-4-1 11-4-1
6. Wisconsin-Oshkosh 12-5-1 12-5-1
7. Saint John's (Minnesota) 9-6-0 9-6-0
geeze is that a mistake that Luther dropped all the way out??? They didn't even lose since the last rankings!!
How does the Luther SOS look?
That would be the only thing I could think that would drop them out.
Luther .493
http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankingsRedirect&sportCode=MSO®ion=10&division=3
it dropped under .500 so that must be the kicker
I did not know they had gone back to using that as a cut-off. But that would seem the only explanation. Such a litmus test or criteria is not stipulated in the Division III Soccer Pre-Championship Manual (http://d3soccer.com/ncaa-publications/2014/2014-Division-III-Soccer-Pre-Championships-Manual.pdf), so I do not know under what authority they are permitted to do that.
Take a look at who Luther has played in the last 7 days ...
10/22 ... Saint Mary's ... W 1-0 ... SMU Record 5-10-1 ... SOS - .344
10/25 ... Central ... W 3-0 ... CEN Record 4-11-0 ... CEN SOS - .267
10/28 ... Univ. of Dubuque ... W 4-3 (2OT) ... UD Record 6-7-3 ... UD SOS - .469
Luther can't control having to play Central or UD, but scheduling a weak Saint Mary's side hurts them big time in this case.
Those three games are the reason why they went from No. 2 (which they really shouldn't have been in the first place) to out of the region rankings.
In order for Luther to make the NCAA's at this point, they'll need to either win the IIAC Tournament or hope for a good showing in the conference tournament championship.
Their first round tournament game is against Central, which will again bump their SOS down.
Not looking good for the Norse.
(Updated to include records)
The opponents record is key, not their SOS.
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on October 29, 2014, 02:59:28 PM
The opponents record is key, not their SOS.
Well, yes and no.
The SOS formula that the NCAA uses includes the OWP of the team of interest (2/3 of SOS) and the OWP of all their opponents (1/3 of SOS).
So, no, it's not their opponents' SOS that matters, but it is more than just their winning pct., it is also their OWP (which is 2/3's of their SOS).
So there is a diffefrence between playing a 10-4-2 team whose OWP is .570 and a 10-4-2 team whose OWP is .430. Listing an opponent's SOS versus simply their winning pct. helps capture this somewhat. The best would be to list an opponent's OWP, but that is not provided in the regional data sheets that the NCAA releases while the SOS's are listed.
The fact that SOS weighs such a big part in the process is encouraging. I do feel as though Luther is still a tournament team. They will have to beat Wartburg in the conference tournament to make the tournament in my opinion. Doing that will ensure a second game against Loras which will put their SOS back above the .500 cliff.
As for the other teams.
1. Loras (Have clinched another tournament berth in my mind)
2. Wartburg (A loss in the semi finals will put this team on the hot seat)
3. UW Whitewater (Is Sunday a win or go home for the Warhawks? I do not see the NCAA giving a pool B team an at large)
4. St. Olaf (A tournament final berth should ensure them in the big dance)
5. GAC (Could the MIAC only get one team this year? They are a hot seat team for sure if they dont win the MIAC)
6. UW Oshkosh (What if they tie on Sunday and then win the tournament. Is that enough? I think so)
7. St. Johns (1-4 against the ranked opponents, this team needs the AQ
Thanks for the clarification FW!
The St Olaf vs carleton regular season game will be important. if St Olaf ties or loses it will be hard for them to get an at large bid.
Also Wartburg beating St Olaf and Gustavus head to head will make it hard for them to get the bid over Wartburg
We've focused on Luther being dropped out of the regional rankings. What about St Scholastica? Not a great SOS but wins over two of the UWs and also Carleton and only losses to Trinity (TX) and GAC. A 16-2 team that is 12-0 in the their conference.
The problem with St. Scholastica is that their conference is probably one of the worst in the nation. Secondly, of the 3 regionally ranked opponents they have faced, they lost two of them. The only real win they have is against Oshkosh, who themselves are looking from the outside in. But with Scholastica's case, they will receive an AQ for winning their conference, so truthfully regional rankings for them aren't a concern.
St. Scholastica has an even lower SOS than Luther.
And speaking of Luther's SOS, it's only going to go down with this week's games against Dubuque and Central. Not getting the #2 seed wasn't especially bad for them as it means an extra game against a sub-.300 Central. Ouch! Sure, maybe most of their previous opponents have winning weeks to compensate some, but they're adding two sub-.500 opponents and that's gonna keep their SOS under .500. And, no, I'm not ready to buy the NCAA committee's denial of an SOS threshold (OK, I'm sure there's no official policy they are bound to follow--that would be in the Pre-Championships Manual, but it could be more of a general, informal, non-binding, verbal agreement among committee members). Luther dropping like that has no other reasonable explanation.
Anyway, if Luther wasn't gonna get the #2 seed, it may have been better to have tied Dubuque on Tuesday night so they would have dropped to the #4 seed getting Simpson and their .667 winning pct. in the conference semifinals which may have helped Luther's SOS get back over .500 or at least would have kept it very close so that a semifinal game vs. #1 Loras would have gotten them over .500.
But as it is, Luther, needs to beat Wartburg in the semifinals, not so much for the win and the win vs. ranked, but for the extra game versus Loras and the .861 winning pct. which combined with the Wartburg's win pct. from the semifinal should more than compensate for this week's games and get their SOS back over .500. That combined with the additional win vs. ranked from the semifinal could be their ticket to an at-large berth if they wouldn't win in the final.
UWO-UWW tied 1-1 in a bit of an unexciting affair for this rivalry. The strong wind was a factor most of the game with each team putting one in while attacking with the wind at their backs. Hard to tell who was the stronger team because of this factor. UWW keeps the edge over UWO for the Pool B bid, but UWO gets the #1 seed for the conference tournament. The basically meaningless WIAC Tournament may actually have some meaning if UWW & UWO meet for a second time.
Although the IIAC teams had off this weekend, there were still some games.
1. Loras (13-2-1)
2. Wartburg (10-3-4)
3. UWW (12-3-4) - Beat Marian 3-0, Beat Platteville 2-0, and tied Oshkosh 1-1
4. St. Olaf (12-4-2) - Beat Augsburg 2-1, Lost at Carleton 3-2
5. GAC (13-4-1) - Beat Bethel 7-1, Beat Hamline 4-0
6. Oshkosh (12-5-2) - tied at Whitewater 1-1
7. St. Thomas (11-6)- Beat Superior 1-0, Beat Concordia 3-0.
Thoughts?
UWW should jump Wartburg in Wednesday's rankings. GAC & and possibly UWO jump St. Olaf. Curious if Luther will be left off again..
Luther only played Central, so they will have an even worse SOS. It would be pretty inconsistent by the committee to go back and rank them
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on November 02, 2014, 08:36:35 PM
Although the IIAC teams had off this weekend, there were still some games.
1. Loras (13-2-1)
2. Wartburg (10-3-4)
3. UWW (12-3-4) - Beat Marian 3-0, Beat Platteville 2-0, and tied Oshkosh 1-1
4. St. Olaf (12-4-2) - Beat Augsburg 2-1, Lost at Carleton 3-2
5. GAC (13-4-1) - Beat Bethel 7-1, Beat Hamline 4-0
6. Oshkosh (12-5-2) - tied at Whitewater 1-1
7. St. Thomas (11-6)- Beat Superior 1-0, Beat Concordia 3-0.
Thoughts?
Yeah, don't ever confuse SJU with USTd ....
Santa Cruz just lost to Trinity Texas, making them 1-3-0 against Ranked Opponents. Looks like it's between Whitewater and Oshkosh for the pool B bid.
Had the chance to see UWW play UWO on Sunday and like Casual Fan pointed out it was a boring game. There might have been 2 or 3 shots from the run of play. Everything else came from set pieces. UWW every chance they get sends their big guys forwards and wants to battle for headers in the box. UWO sat in and wanted to play a counter attacking style that did not seem to bother the UWW defense. UWW gave up a bad goal on a miscommunication between the center back and goalie. UWW should have won 1-0.
Overall I do believe UWW is the better team and in the drivers seat for the NCAA Tournament. They have figured out their problems on defense for the most part and they create a lot of opportunities to get the ball in the box through their long throws and long free kicks. This style is not the most appealing but come tournament time when you need to win games pretty doesnt always do it. I think the Loras faithful can attest to this.
UC-Santa Cruz going down was exactly what UWW & UWO needed. As I was watching the live stats, it was a bit worrying that it was 0-0 with 15 minutes left. That should take the Banana Slugs out of the Pool B running with a 11-6-1 overall record, 7-4 in D3, and a 1-3 record vs ranked opponents.
Taking a closer look between UWW & UWO at the time of the Oct. 29th rankings...
Wis.-Oshkosh 12-5-1 Wis.-Whitewater 10-3-3
( 0.694) ( 0.719)
Record vs. RO's 0-2-1 Record vs. RO's 3-1-0
( 0.167) (0.750)
SOS 0.558 SOS 0.568
And then current records...
Wis.-Oshkosh 12-5-2 Wis.-Whitewater 12-3-4
( 0.684) ( 0.737)
Record vs. RO's 0-2-2 Record vs. RO's 3-1-1
( 0.250) ( 0.700)
SOS is too complicated for me to calculate.
WIAC Tournament Schedule
#4 UW-Platteville @ #1 UWO
#3 UW-Superior @ #2 UWW
UWO should easily get by UWP especially without Platteville's starting GK who was red carded against UWW.
UWW will have trouble with UWS. If they lose to UWS, is 12-4-4 enough? I'm not sure especially if UWO wins the final 2 to go 14-5-2.
Thoughts?
Record vs. Ranked Opponents appears really hurts UWO. I think UWW has it pretty locked up, unless they lose early in the WIAC touney and UWO wins the whole thing. Then maybe UWO has a shot to steal the Pool B. But right now, UWW should be feeling pretty good about their chances of making the NCAA's, especially given then higher NCAA Regional Ranking as of last week.
There is also a very slight chance that one of these teams could steal a Pool C bid. Let's say UWW loses to Superior, and Oshkosh wins the conference. UWW goes to 12-4-4 with still a 3-1-1 record vs ranked and Oshkosh gets to 14-5-2 but still has the 0-2-2 record vs ranked. So Oshkosh would grab the Pool B, would UWW qualify for a Pool C or even with these loses does their resume look better than Oshkosh's for the Pool B? Very interesting.
A little off topic but I wanted to discuss a call in UWW vs. UWP game Friday. UWW played a through ball that left senior captain John Gottwald racing towards a bouncing ball vs the UWP goal keeper. A late whistle to acknowledge offside left little time for Gottwald to get out of the way from the on coming goalie. Even though the AR raised his flag immediatly this hesitation casued a bang bang play which led to the goal keeper jumping up to grab the ball with a knee raised that ultimately hit Gottwald in face. Now down on the ground with blood everywhere the head ref issued the UWP goalie a red card. It was proper goal keeper form but the play was called intentional and malicious. From the stands this seemed like a bang bang play and a rash red card.
Thoughts on this play?
Shouldn't be a red card unless the ref thought it was intent to injure.
I assume that UWW wasn't given a PK as a result of the foul and the result of the play was a free-kick for UWP from the spot of the offsides call.
I'd usually give the benefit of the doubt to the goalie in that situation, but apparently he's done this before. UW-Superior had a player get a broken cheek after Sibik did the same thing (again after the whistle was blown and the play was dead).
Predictions for tomorrows rankings:
1. Loras
2. Wartburg
3. UWW
4. GAC
5. St. Olaf
6. UWO
7. St. Johns
So not much different, just see GAC jumping Olaf because of the loss. Don't think Whitewater or Oshkosh will move with their ties to one another. I think Scholastica is sitting on the 8th spot with their 20th win of the season coming today.
St. Scholastica has the same problem as Luther though, too poor of an SOS. Their only chance for an NCAA spot is to win their conference tournament.
Quote from: WarhawkFan on November 05, 2014, 12:43:53 AM
St. Scholastica has the same problem as Luther though, too poor of an SOS. Their only chance for an NCAA spot is to win their conference tournament.
....which they could probably do with 9 on the field.
1. Loras
2. Wartburg
3. Luther
4. UWW
5. GAC
6. St. Olaf
7. UWO
Just have a funny feeling the Norse will be back in this week..
If (and its a big IF) Luther cracks back into the ranking, it will bein the 6th or 7th position. SOS is so heavily weighted by the committee, there is no way they get ranked 3rd. Especially considering their SOS has dropped further with their match against Central.
I think Dontshootthegoose is spot on.
1. Loras
2. Wartburg
3. UWW
4. GAC
5. St. Olaf
6. UWO
7. St. Johns
Another big IF is if UWW jumps Wartburg for the number two spot. Now I don't think they will, but Wartburg had an off week where UWW played 3 games. UWW will be 12-3-4 vs. Wartburg's 10-3-4, I should also mention that UWW will have a higher SOS than Wartburg.
Rankings posted...
1. Loras
2. Wartburg
3. UWW
4. St. Olaf
5. GAC
6. CarlEton
7. UWO
Seems about right, only thing that I could of seen different is GAC and St. Olaf flip flopped. Oshkosh with the slide to 7 is interesting, as well as Luther remaining out. Safe to say Luther's only way to the NCAA's is of winning the conference tournament.
Thoughts on the final rankings.
Loras & Wartburg are in no matter what. Hopefully they meet in the final to keep the rest of the ranked teams in play for Pool C.
UWW probably has about a 75-80% chance of taking the Pool B. Only shot against them would be a loss to UWO in the WIAC tourney final.
St. Olaf/GAC/Carleton is very interesting. Hopefully St. Johns doesn't throw a wrinkle in and win the AQ. 2 out of these 3 should make it.
UWO's only hope is that they beat UWP and UWW beats UWS setting up a UWO-UWW final. Then, UWO would need to beat UWW. A record of 14-5-2 for UWO & 13-4-4 for UWW would be hard to choose between.
Final thoughts... If Luther beats Wartburg and Loras beats UD, Luther would then play Loras in the IIAC tourney final. Luther's SOS would surely go up by playing Wartburg & Loras in the final two matches. Even with a loss to Loras, a record of 16-3 with their SOS over 0.500 would therefore put them in place to get a Pool C bid.
Quote from: casualfan on November 05, 2014, 02:23:36 PM
Final thoughts... If Luther beats Wartburg and Loras beats UD, Luther would then play Loras in the IIAC tourney final. Luther's SOS would surely go up by playing Wartburg & Loras in the final two matches. Even with a loss to Loras, a record of 16-3 with their SOS over 0.500 would therefore put them in place to get a Pool C bid.
Are we certain this scenario gives Luther an SOS over .500? Their SOS would definately go up, but would it go up enough?
I think Loras, Wartburg are locks. UWW is a lock for Pool B, even with a lose to UWO, I don't think UWO has the Results vs. Ranked Opponents to bump UWW.
Looking like the MIAC can get two teams in, especially if its Olaf and GAC in the MIAC final...
Then we have MWC Champ and UMAC champ thrown in the mix in the North Region with AQ's as well.
So let's play something out with the WIAC then:
UWW beats Superior and loses to Oshkosh- Oshkosh has a chance of making the tourney
UWW beats Superior and beats Oshkosh- UWW is in
But what happens if UWW loses or draws against Superior.... Oshkosh wins conference but then they don't receive a win against a ranked opponent... What occurs then?
Quote from: gustiefan04 on November 05, 2014, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: casualfan on November 05, 2014, 02:23:36 PM
Final thoughts... If Luther beats Wartburg and Loras beats UD, Luther would then play Loras in the IIAC tourney final. Luther's SOS would surely go up by playing Wartburg & Loras in the final two matches. Even with a loss to Loras, a record of 16-3 with their SOS over 0.500 would therefore put them in place to get a Pool C bid.
Are we certain this scenario gives Luther an SOS over .500? Their SOS would definately go up, but would it go up enough?
Just looking at it very roughly, I believe it does. Loras and Wartburg combined are a bit further above .500 than Dubuque and Central combined are below .500, so that should bring Luther's SOS which was at .493 before last week above .500. So if that scenario does play out (Luther beating Wartburg, then losing to Loras) and Luther is given an at-large berth, for me that would be further evidence that indeed a .500 SOS threshold is being used by the committee.
Sorry Gustiefan04, didn't see you post that..
But I am in complete agreement with everything you said. The MIAC is the only grey area with so many teams competing, but I see GAC and Olaf coming out.
Here are the Tournament locks: Loras, Wartburg, Scholastica (considering they win their AQ), MWC champ (Knox, Norberts, Lake forest, Carroll). And then MIAC team. (Olaf, GAC, Carleton, St Johns)- Depending on tournament, I'm predicting Olaf or GAC.
Most Likely: These will overlap, the loser of the MIAC (either Olaf or GAC). UWW for the pool B.
Need help: Carleton, St. Johns, Luther, and UWO.
So that is four AQ's, 2 pool C's, and the pool B
Luther's SOS is currently 0.488 according to the data sheet. Two games against teams with winning percentage of (0.722) & (0.853) combined with their SOS's that are (0.537) & (0.575) should push Luther's SOS above 0.488. Probably in the 0.505-0.510 range.
If UWW loses or draws tonight, it may not give UWO a chance to get the win over a ranked opponent that they need.
While I would love to think that UWW is safe no matter the results of the WIAC tournament, we have to remember that we're dealing with a subjective committee.
A tie/loss in PKs vs Superior should be good enough to get UWW in, but a win vs UWS and loss to UWO or a loss to UWS with UWO beating UWS would put UWW's fate in the hands of a committee that nobody can truly predict (just take a look at the confusion over the rankings in the National Perspective board).
UWW needs to get a win versus UWS and then a tie or win against UWO in order to take the decision out of the hands of the committee and be assured a spot in the NCAA tournament.
Predictions for this weekend:
Wartburg wins 2-1 over Loras
UWW wins 2-1 in OT against UWO
GAC wins 3-1 against St. Johns
If this holds true. Loras will get a Pool C and UWW will get the Pool B. Still do not see how the NCAA could choose UWO over UWW if they beat UWW at home.
IIAC: Loras over Wartburg on penalties 4-3 after a 1-1 draw.
WIAC: UWO over UWW on penalties 3-2 after a 0-0 draw.
MIAC: GAC over SJU 1-0.
UMAC: St. Scholastica over UM-Morris 4-0
MWC: Lake Forest over Knox 2-1
Low-scoring weekend.
IIAC: Loras 2 - Wartburg 0
WIAC: UWW 1 - UWO 0
MIAC: GAC 2 - SJU 1
UMAC: CSS 3 - UMM 0
MWC: CC 2 - Knox 0
IIAC: Loras 1 - Wartburg 2
WIAC: UWO 1 - UWW 0
MIAC: GAC 1 - SJU 1 (SJU in kicks)
UMAC: CSS 3 - UMM 1
MWC: LF 1 - Knox 0
Two huge Conference Finals tomorrow in the IIAC and MIAC.
St. Johns @ Gustavus. Interesting to see the Johnnies make to final 2 years in a row after a very up and down year. They are on a 7 game win streak currently, red hot. The experienced Gusties and Zach Brown will be too much to handle for St. Johns.
Gustavus 3, St. Johns 0.
Wartburg @ Loras. Interesting year for Wartburg. Quality wins against Gustavus, St. Johns, St. Olaf, Luther (Twice) but some bad results against a few sub .500 teams. Loras got the best of Wartburg in the regular season but I don't see that happening again.
Wartburg 2, Loras 1.
On a roll tonight Sir Victor, where were you all season?
I don't see GAC beating SJU 3-0 and I am about as homer as it gets. SJU is playing well and GAC is just starting to regain their form. I think it will be a one goal Gustie victory. I'd love to see Brown find the back of the net a couple times tomorrow. The big thing for the gusties tomorrow is putting forth a strong defensive effort, a shutout would be ideal.
The Wartburg - Loras game will be a good one. I'm thinking Loras is too much for Wartburg again.
In hiding. Regular season doesn't excite me.
Interesting result tonight in Oshkosh with the Titans defeating UWW 1-0 at home. It makes for a close call between the two for the Pool B bid while the other remains on the bubble. It would be great to see both get in. I think UWW has proven that they can play with most of the region's better teams but seem to struggle against Oshkosh. UWW looked like a different team on turf as a few players did not play up to par tonight. Oshkosh looked okay and took advantage of their chance. Their backline looked solid with the return of Cheaney, he may be their best player.
The good news for UWW (if they get snubbed for the Pool B bid) is that the MIAC tournament went about as perfect as it could for them. With GAC getting the AQ and the other two teams (that were already ranked below UWW in the region) losing in the semis, I can't see any MIAC team getting a Pool C bid over them.
Still think they should get the Pool B bid, but even if they don't a Pool C still looks like a legitimate option for the Warhawks.
Here's what we know so far in the North Region:
IIAC: Wartburg
MIAC: Gustavus
UMAC: St Scholastica
MWC: Carroll
Pool B: UWW (maybe UWO, but unlikely)
Pool C: Loras
Based on the fact that no team has made the tournament in the last 3 years if they don't appear in the 3rd NCAA rankings (thanks FW for the stat!), this leaves only St Olaf, Carleton and UWO, In ranked order, as other possibly Pool C choices.
What are everyone's thoughts, can the North snag one more pool C bid? If so, it looks like a toss up between the Oles and UWO. They have identical records of 1-3-1 against regionally ranked opponents and very compatible SOS- Olaf at .550 and UWO at .560 in last weeks rankings. Olaf has been ranked higher than UWO in all 3 NCAA Rankings.
It will be very interesting to see how these 2 teams stack up nationally with the other pool c candidates.
I see the only way UWO gets in is with the pool B. St. Olaf will have trouble with a pool C but it could happen. If UWO snags the pool B, then I see UWW grabbing a pool C.
Too many upsets going on right now. Especially if the Trinity score holds. I think Loras is the only pool B out of the north. If there happens to be two I think it'd be the Wisconsin school that misses on TE pool C. Just do not see it happening though
You mean Loras is only pool C bid, and the pool B goes to either UWW or UWO. Which I assume UWW.
Yes. Sorry that's what I mean. Loras only pool C.
It's all good futbol17.
General Consensus from the National Perspective board: UWW is in and UWO is out.
Only way UWO is in is if they receive pool B, and then UWW is a shoo-in for a pool C.
Overall, Loras is most likely only pool C bid at the moment, unless the situation above takes place.
North Region Bid Predictions
Pool A
Wartburg via IIAC
Carroll via MWC
GAC via MIAC
St. Scholastica via UMAC
Pool B
UWW
Pool C
Loras
Unfortunately, I think that's all we'll end up with unless the committee decides to give the Pool B to UWO and a Pool C to UWW.
Loras and Wartburg are the best bets at hosting the first rounds. Wheaton and Calvin are likely to host as well just for reference of where the North squads could be sent. Here's my pod predictions
@ Loras College
Loras v. Westminster
Chicago v. St. Scholastica
@ Wartburg
Wartburg v. Carroll
UWW v. GAC
Last year Wartburg had two central region teams in the pod (hope and dominican) I could see them doing that again to at least try to get some variety on who teams play. Who are some central region teams that qualify?
Also it will be interesting if Trinity is in out quadrant because then they would host sweet 16 and elite 8 I can't think of anyone else unless they give like wheaton one of the top four seeds
Good point. I didn't realize right away that I put 4 North region teams in the Wartburg pod, which is unlikely.
The Central teams that are in are Calvin, Chicago, MSOE, Westminster, Wheaton. Maybe Kalamazoo gets in but it's likely these are the only 5.
Updated predictions
Loras Pod
Loras v. Westminster
Chicago v. St. Scholastica
Wartburg Pod
Wartburg v. MSOE
UWW v. GAC
Trinity Pod
Trinity v. Pomona Pitzer
Whitworth v. Hardin-Simmons
Wheaton Pod
Wheaton v. Carroll
Thomas More v. Rose-Hulman
Calvin pod in another sectional..
you don't think trinity will get one of the three buys? Although then I wouldn't know where to put that fourth texas team so youre prolly right
It's a possibility for sure that they earn one of the 3 byes. It makes sense geographically and the matchups are pretty spot on so I could definitely see them with a first round match.
It's too bad there are still 3 byes. There could easily be three more NCAA deserving teams added. I know there's a formula which explains why there's 61 teams but just an observation.
Where are thomas more and rose hulman from? like what region?
Both from the Great Lakes Region.
Thomas More (Presidents) in Kentucky.
Rose Hulman (Heartland) in Indiana.
The match ups are going to be setup with as little air travel as possible in the first 2 rounds, much more affordable to put a team on the bus than round trip flights for 24 in the first two rounds. I think we are going to see some very unexpected match ups. The NCAA has had a pretty clear position on trying to save $$.
like what gustiefan?
Out of the four pods in my predictions, only Pomona Pitzer & Whitworth would fly. And that's always the case for the West Coast schools.
Trinity usually hosts a Texas school initially and they send the SCAC winner and the NWC champion their way.
Although, Redlands did head to the Midwest a few years ago.
for example, I wouldnt be surprised if the 2 west coast teams face off before heading east. The winner to play trinity with a bye in the first round.
Teams from Ohio and Michigan have been paired up with central region teams in the past as well.
And I think the wartburg pod is loaded. I also wouldn't be surprised if GAC hosts. They have done so a few times in the last few years while stacking up very similarly in the north region.
I think Olaf or UWO will be in the field as well.
Fair points gustiefan04. I'm sure they wouldn't have Whitworth and Pomona Pitzer play before hand though as they're 18 hour drive away from each other.
I'm hoping the North get one more in, but I just don't see it happening with the other Pool C eligible teams out there.
St. Olaf has no chance in my opinion. Their record against regionally ranked opposition is poor. They beat no one outside of the conference. UWO probably needs Pool B.
Christian leaning towards UWW over UWO for the Pool B as expected. Though he did say he wouldn't be surprised if Oshkosh nips them because of the head to head. Also mentioned that whoever does not receive the Pool B will be right in the thick of things for a Pool C bid.
I wonder if he realizes he got UWW record vs regionally ranked opponents wrong (its 3-2-1 not 2-2-1) and whether that would make a difference for his prediction?
On second thought, I doubt it changes his prediction at all since he did say he thinks UWW will get the B bid anyway
Quote from: gustiefan04 on November 09, 2014, 09:13:45 PM
And I think the wartburg pod is loaded. I also wouldn't be surprised if GAC hosts. They have done so a few times in the last few years while stacking up very similarly in the north region.
The only strike again GAC hosting would be the polar vortex snow fall expected tonight and tomorrow. 12" to 14" of white stuff would be hard to deal with.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 09, 2014, 11:29:54 PM
Quote from: gustiefan04 on November 09, 2014, 09:13:45 PM
And I think the wartburg pod is loaded. I also wouldn't be surprised if GAC hosts. They have done so a few times in the last few years while stacking up very similarly in the north region.
The only strike again GAC hosting would be the polar vortex snow fall expected tonight and tomorrow. 12" to 14" of white stuff would be hard to deal with.
Truth. Although they had mounds of snow shoveled off the field last year. Personally I'm hoping they travel a little closer to IL, then I might get to catch a game or two.
Wheaton, Dubuque, or Waverly and we make the trip Gustie fan? ;D
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on November 09, 2014, 11:38:07 PM
Wheaton, Dubuque, or Waverly and we make the trip Gustie fan? ;D
That's what I'm thinking.
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on November 09, 2014, 11:38:07 PM
Wheaton, Dubuque, or Waverly and we make the trip Gustie fan? ;D
Waverly or Dbq and I can finally get you your 6 pack GG.
Here's my predictions:
Loras Pod
Loras v. MSOE
Westminster v. St. Scholastica
Wartburg Pod
Wartburg v. UWW
Chicago v. GAC
*Chicago and UWW played in the regular season, but the same goes for Chicago/Loras and Chicago/Wheaton.
Wheaton Pod
Wheaton v. Carroll
Thomas More v. Rose-Hulman
My only hesitation to identify a Trinity pod comes from their Elite 8 game last year in which they received two red cards at the end, one to a player and one to what I presume to be the players' father.
RC-TUTX #10 (90:00); RC-TUTX #TM (90:00)
Red cards post game to D. McAfee and S. McAfee
(abusive language)
I don't remember seeing S. McAfee listed as a member of the coaching staff for Trinity last year, so I can't say for certain, but I wonder if they received additional punishment for that.
I have not seen that in writing, but don't be surprised if Trinity is passed over for hosting, which would surely throw a wrench into the works in terms of travel for those west coast schools.
Sorry Puerco, Loras will not have that easy of a road to the Sweet 16. MSOE, Westminster, and St. Scholastica are all arguably worse than Wartburg, UWW, Chicago, & GAC. I'd have a hard time believing they would put that many good teams in one pod while another nearby is a cakewalk.
Interesting thought on Trinity. Is there any history of other schools being punished for incidents from years prior?
Also, Christian went with UWO making it as one of the last few in. I wonder where they'd be thrown in. Possibly substitute for Westminster and have them shuffle over to Wheaton with one of Thomas More or Rose Hulman with Calvin?
KICKIN,
I suppose we should probably drink a few beers after years of banter so hopefully GAC can head to IA next weekend. That would be a fitting end to my time as a D3 soccer message board poster. Gustiefan, I am holding you to your travel commitment for next weekend if GAC plays close!
It looks like regardless of who is hosting in the Midwest it is going to be cold... 25-35 degrees in Minnesota and Iowa next weekend. Unfortunate.
I've already got my "hall pass" lined up. As long as we are looking at a saturday/sunday match up, I'm good to go!
From seeing UWW play in the past I know that they are praying to go Wartburg. They need the grass field since they are half the team on turf
Tasty draw in the north.
I don't think anyone expected Dominican to get in. Will be a great weekend in Dubuque.
Loras Pod
Loras vs. Westminster
GAC vs. Dominican
Wartburg Pod
Warburg vs. MSOE
Chicago vs. St. Scholastica
Wheaton Pod
Wheaton - Bye
UWW vs. Carroll
UWW has to be happy with that matchup. Their starting center back Justin Stanko received a red card in the conference championship. They avoid a hard first match up and get to play on grass.
Stanko is playing in the back again? I thouht he'd been playing up top. He'd always been a center back through HS and Club, so not too surprising. He's a huge physical presence that will be missed.
I don't know much about this year's Carroll squad, but have to believe that UWW is really liking that match up. Whomever comes out of that game, will no doubt have their hands full with Wheaton. They are probalby the best team I've seen play this season.
Stanko started out as a forward and got moved backed to center back as UWW went from the sweeper system back to the 4-5-1. The change in formation really turned UWW's season around.
Interesting point though: UWW is very dangerous on a set piece anywhere past the half line. They play tight defensively and win close games on long throws and free kicks (how they beat Chicago and NPU). If and i know this is a big if, they can hold Wheaton to one goal they may be able to at least force overtime with the pre tournament final four favorite. In 12 of their last 13 games UWW has let up 1 goal or fewer.
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on November 10, 2014, 10:32:02 AM
KICKIN,
I suppose we should probably drink a few beers after years of banter so hopefully GAC can head to IA next weekend. That would be a fitting end to my time as a D3 soccer message board poster. Gustiefan, I am holding you to your travel commitment for next weekend if GAC plays close!
It looks like regardless of who is hosting in the Midwest it is going to be cold... 25-35 degrees in Minnesota and Iowa next weekend. Unfortunate.
Looks like we may be sharing a few on Saturday night. What's your poison for the 6 pack I owe you, no Spotted Cow, it's out of my jurisdiction!
Forget the 6'er we can grab a drink at a bar pre-game!
Gustiefan and I are staying at the Hampton Inn Saturday. What are some decent locations to grab a pint or 10 prior to the match?
Champps Sports Bar is just East down Hwy 20, you will pass it on your left on your way to the hotel. If you want something a little less sports bar and more pub there are some great places downtown on main st. The Busted Lift is a great Irish pub with ambiance or the Mason Dixon Line is also a good place a bit less "pubby". There are close to 100 bars in the town if not over so....
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 10, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
Champps Sports Bar is just East down Hwy 20, you will pass it on your left on your way to the hotel. If you want something a little less sports bar and more pub there are some great places downtown on main st. The Busted Lift is a great Irish pub with ambiance or the Mason Dixon Line is also a good place a bit less "pubby". There are close to 100 bars in the town if not over so....
Lot One - 100 Main St, Dubuque, IA 52001 http://lotonedbq.com (http://lotonedbq.com)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Anybody heard from the UWO faithful today? Needless to say that can't be happy about being bumped by Dominican (same record, lower SOS, worse record against regionally ranked opponents, and only ranked in 1 out of 3 weeks). Seeing UWW get the B bid after beating them in the WIAC championship (even though most everybody agreed UWW had the better resume) had to be salt in the wound.
Looking at the UWO athletics Twitter page, they were shocked they did not receive a bid. A few of Oshkosh's players had some choice words for the NCAA as well. They seem more bitter with the fact that UWW made it over them than anyone else, which is expected. But since the Pool B went to UWW, it was actually difficult for UWO to make it in over one of the questionable choices (North Park). Dominican was also a head scratcher but I don't have an issue with them choosing the Stars over the Titans. Heartbreaker for UWO, the WIAC, and the North Region, but life goes on.
I understand their frustration, but I think it's misdirected. Yes, they beat UWW head-to-head, but both UWW and UWO had better resumes than Dominican so in reality they both should have made it if they let Dominican in (UWW pool b, UWO pool c). Still don't think they have as much to complain about as say JCU who was ranked #2 in all three weeks of the Great Lakes region and was inexplicably left out.
That being said, GAC has to watch out. Dominican may not have had their normal dominant year (looking at their record) but most of their blemishes came early to tough opponents (Chicago and Wheaton in particular) in 1 goal losses. They were on an 11 game win streak before bowing out to a talented MSOE squad in the conference final. They are sure to be eager to get redemption after their early (and embarrassing) exit last year to Wartburg. That GAC/Dominican game should be a good one!
I don't think GAC will be looking past anyone considering their record over the last 2 seasons in the NCAA tournament (1-1-1).
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 10, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
Champps Sports Bar is just East down Hwy 20, you will pass it on your left on your way to the hotel. If you want something a little less sports bar and more pub there are some great places downtown on main st. The Busted Lift is a great Irish pub with ambiance or the Mason Dixon Line is also a good place a bit less "pubby". There are close to 100 bars in the town if not over so....
Busted may have a cover charge if they have a band that night and knowing you both have some years on me you may want to stay out of Mason Dixon as it may be filled with a much younger crowd, which actual might be what you are looking for now that i think about it ;D. First and Main is a pretty good new bar, across from Lot 1 but with more space than Lot 1 and a 23-35 aged crowed.
Don't know much about Westminster, but was surprised Dominican got in. If Loras advances I don't know who I'd like to see them play. Always enjoy a MIAC team but would like to see some redemption for the '09 loss to Dominican in the tourny.
Quote from: Madhatter5 on November 11, 2014, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 10, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
Champps Sports Bar is just East down Hwy 20, you will pass it on your left on your way to the hotel. If you want something a little less sports bar and more pub there are some great places downtown on main st. The Busted Lift is a great Irish pub with ambiance or the Mason Dixon Line is also a good place a bit less "pubby". There are close to 100 bars in the town if not over so....
Busted may have a cover charge if they have a band that night and knowing you both have some years on me you may want to stay out of Mason Dixon as it may be filled with a much younger crowd, which actual might be what you are looking for now that i think about it ;D. First and Main is a pretty good new bar, across from Lot 1 but with more space than Lot 1 and a 23-35 aged crowed.
Don't know much about Westminster, but was surprised Dominican got in. If Loras advances I don't know who I'd like to see them play. Always enjoy a MIAC team but would like to see some redemption for the '09 loss to Dominican in the tourny.
Whichever watering hole has the best local craft beer list...that's where I want to be!
Craft beer Gustiefan? I suppose your years in Lacrosse turned you into a bit of a beer snob.
Mason Dixon it is Madhatter. ;)
Let's get to some quadrant predictions for the North Region teams...
Wheaton quadrant:
UWW 2 Caroll 0
Wheaton 2 UWW 1
Wartburg quadrant:
Warts 1 MSOE 0
Chicago 1 CSS 1 (Chicago in PK's)
Warts 2 Chicago 1
Loras quadrant:
Loras 2 Westminster 0
GAC 1 Dominican 0
GAC 3 Loras 2
Wheaton quadrant:
UWW 3 Carroll 1
Wheaton 1 UWW 0
Wartburg quadrant:
Warburg 2 MSOE 1
Chicago 2 CSS 0
Chicago 1 Wartburg 0
Loras quadrant:
Loras 2 Westminster 0
Dominican 2 GAC 0
Dominican 1 Loras 1 (DU in penalties)
Wheaton quadrant:
UWW 2 Carroll 1
Wheaton 1 UWW 1 (UWW in PKS) (UWW gets one off a long throw and sits in for pks)(Have to support the North Region???)
Wartburg quadrant:
Warburg 3 MSOE 1
Chicago 1 CSS 0
Wartburg 1 Chicago 0 (Wartburg lets Chicago pass in the middle third all day and then counters for the winners)
Loras quadrant:
Loras 3 Westminster 1
GAC 2 Dominican 1
Loras 3 GAC 1 (Loras shows why they are the number one team in the region)
Wheaton quadrant:
UWW 2 Carroll 1
Wheaton 2 UWW 0
Wartburg quadrant:
Warburg 2 MSOE 0
Chicago 0 CSS 1
Wartburg 1 CSS 0
Loras quadrant:
Loras 2 Westminster 1
GAC 2 Dominican 1
Loras 2 GAC 1
Wheaton quadrant:
UWW 2 Carroll 0
UWW 1 Wheaton 0
Wartburg quadrant:
Warburg 2 MSOE 0
Chicago 1 CSS 0
Chicago 1 Wartburg 0
Loras quadrant:
Loras 2 Westminster 0
GAC 1 Dominican 1 - GAC on PKs
Loras 1 GAC 0
I think it's interesting that a lot of people on these boards are picking Wartburg as a team that can make it to the Elite 8 or even the Final Four...
Is all this coming from a draw against Loras?
Wartburg enters the NCAA Tournament with 12-3-5 record ... Their signature win? A 2-1 win over GAC.
The Knights played two teams that made the tournament this year and came out with a 1-1-1 record.
And before anyone jumps on me, this is not a post coming from a sour Loras fan. I just don't know where everyone is coming from giving Wartburg a ton of credit.
Actually I think it's a positive reflection off of Loras....meaning that it appears they can go toe to toe with Loras, and therefore, based on Loras' well-earned reputation, Wartburg must be able to play and a formidable squad. Didn't they take Trinity to the wire last year too?
The GAC game was early in the season and GAC had the run of play while Wartburg scored on two counters.... I guess I am a bit confused at the Wartburg love as well. Wartburg is a good team but they could certainly meet their match vs. MSOE.
I think many people also thought that Luther should be a tourney team... who Wartburg beat twice
I watched good portions of Wartburg against Luther and then the final against Loras. I really like all of those Iowa teams, but in my opinion Wartburg is a real threat. Did I have that right about them putting Trinity to a real test last year as well?
Yes, they were up 1-0 on Trinity and then lost in OT
Yeah I'm not all that convinced on Wartburg either. Luckily for them, they are hosting which should play to their advantage. Chicago is a very good squad. I can definitely see them breaking the UAA reputation of not making it to the Sweet 16.
As for MSOE, they have two very good players. They are brothers, Logan & Braden Andryk, and they're dangerous at any given time. Their goalkeeper is suspect. Some decent players aside from the brothers, but they can easily be beaten if you shut them down. One point to mention though is that they are very good on set pieces. So if Wartburg doesn't prioritize defending the Andryks, I could easily see the Knights being upset.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 11, 2014, 09:30:13 PM
I watched good portions of Wartburg against Luther and then the final against Loras. I really like all of those Iowa teams, but in my opinion Wartburg is a real threat. Did I have that right about them putting Trinity to a real test last year as well?
Yes they did, but it was Loras who were down 1-0 to Trinity as in the Elite 8 last year and came back to win 2-1.
It's tourney time and this is when the Duhawks make their move.
I guess I don't understand Iowa soccer politics. Can't both be really good? I'm a Kenyon supporter but bitter rival OWU is a great team and I love to watch them play and occasionally will even root for them, but maybe that's just me.
I can't see Loras or Wartburg ever rooting for each other, but I agree, they're both really good teams in their own right. That being said, I think Wartburg needs to show some consistency (which they seemed to have lacked this year) if they are going to have a chance to make a run in the tournament.
IMO Wartburg is very hot right now (Hansel, so hot right now) and very talented in the attack. But MSOE has players that really can play and they were only shutout once this year (UWW). I could honestly see it going either way, Wartburg will struggle defending Logan Andryk but MSOE will struggle with Dan and his little fiery friends that feed off of him up top. MSOE 2- Wartburg 2 (Wartburg in PKS)
Chicago is obviously a beautiful team to watch, they posses the ball and are so fluid. Their center back (i think number 3) is an absolute stud and their center mids are second to none. It's hard to judge CSS because they practically played against co-ed teams up north. They have 3 players that rank highest among active players for goal scorers in the NCAA. I think it's safe to say Chicago wins this game, just too much possession and beautiful soccer. Chicago 2-CSS 1
With the bracket hosted by Loras, I know they are banged up right now but what the Rock Bowl does to players knees is what they will do to Westminster's hope and spirit, crush it. I think its 3-0 Loras. Too much raw talent and anger from their pk loss to Wartburg will overflow in this game.
GAC and Dominican. GAC won their conference and are the only team representing it (hard to believe but that's how it ended up). I've liked GAC for a while and they are my darkhorse for the tournament. Dominican (should be UWO) was given a life raft by the NCAA committee but I think that's about it. As most of us know, Dominican has had a down year and I think GAC is just too good. Dominican has some players but not the same as they have had in years past. GAC 3-Dominican 1
St. Scholastica is a wild card team... I wouldn't want to play them because they are a bit of an unknown at this point in the season. Scholastica started the season by playing 7 away games... They went to Trinity and lost 3-1. Lost at GAC 3-0, GAC went up 1-0 then the Saints went down to 10 men a minute later. They beat CarlEton and UWO away 2-0. That is four teams that were ranked in the NCAA regional rankings by seasons end. The UMAC is the worst conference in the nation, hands down, but these guys will compete.
Quote from: Puerco Espin on November 11, 2014, 08:43:20 PM
I think it's interesting that a lot of people on these boards are picking Wartburg as a team that can make it to the Elite 8 or even the Final Four...
Is all this coming from a draw against Loras?
Wartburg enters the NCAA Tournament with 12-3-5 record ... Their signature win? A 2-1 win over GAC.
The Knights played two teams that made the tournament this year and came out with a 1-1-1 record.
And before anyone jumps on me, this is not a post coming from a sour Loras fan. I just don't know where everyone is coming from giving Wartburg a ton of credit.
My observation is obviously only from the game they played against Loras, though I only have them going to the Sweet 16. I would have to agree with NCAC that it is more of a compliment to Loras seeing that they controlled the game, didn't buckle under giving up the lead twice and could have put that game away in the second half if Roloff would not have made that save on the break away to push the ball to the post. Game would have been 3-1, nail in the coffin. That being said Loras is a NCAA tournament team who find ways to win and so is Trinity so Wartburg will eventually fall to them.
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on November 11, 2014, 11:57:01 PM
St. Scholastica is a wild card team... I wouldn't want to play them because they are a bit of an unknown at this point in the season. Scholastica started the season by playing 7 away games... They went to Trinity and lost 3-1. Lost at GAC 3-0, GAC went up 1-0 then the Saints went down to 10 men a minute later. They beat CarlEton and UWO away 2-0. That is four teams that were ranked in the NCAA regional rankings by seasons end. The UMAC is the worst conference in the nation, hands down, but these guys will compete.
They are a bunch of UK and other international imports up in Duluth. Haven't played a high-quality opponent in two months, although Morris isn't horrible like the rest of the league and Superior has played some good sides close. They gave GAC a pretty good run last year and I'd expect a decent game vs. Chicago.
Also need to ask:
1) What's with this "fitting end" as a poster, GG33? Did I miss something? Going into coaching or find an extra, long-lost year of eligibility???
2) The front-page poll references Oles complaining about not making the field. Didn't they get knocked off the bubble by getting one win in their final four games, including the 4-1 playoff flameout? And going 0-for-Iowa didn't help their case either.
Alright, here goes nothing...
Wheaton quadrant:
UWW 1 Caroll 0
Wheaton 2 UWW 1
Wartburg quadrant:
Warts 2 MSOE 0
Chicago 1 CSS 0 (Chicago in PK's)
Warts 2 Chicago 1
Loras quadrant:
Loras 2 Westminster 0
GAC 2 Dominican 0
GAC 2 Loras 1
repete,
I think this is a good time to end my D3 soccer input after this season. I play summer ball with 6-7 of the current Gustie players with a handful of them graduating after this year. My ties to the program are declining slowly, so it is a good time to hang up the d3 soccer message board boots... It has been a long 10 year run on d3soccer.net, d3kicks.com, d3futbol, and d3boards. I may change my mind, but that is where I am leaning. What would Barry Sanders do?
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on November 12, 2014, 06:06:31 PM
repete,
I think this is a good time to end my D3 soccer input after this season. I play summer ball with 6-7 of the current Gustie players with a handful of them graduating after this year. My ties to the program are declining slowly, so it is a good time to hang up the d3 soccer message board boots... It has been a long 10 year run on d3soccer.net, d3kicks.com, d3futbol, and d3boards. I may change my mind, but that is where I am leaning. What would Barry Sanders do?
weak sauce.
First round match tonight with Carroll @ UWW. Not much has been said about Carroll on the boards. Any insight on the Pioneers? Will UWW overlook Carroll with a matchup with Wheaton looming?
Carroll has played a fairly difficult schedule this season playing against 3 NCAA tournament teams (GAC, Loras, Dominican, and UWO). Unfortunately for the Carroll's they haven't beaten anyone of NCAA tournament quality. If you overlook anyone in the NCAA tournament you are likely in for a shock. I can't imagine UWW not winning this game though...
UWW scores a majority of their goals of set pieces and tonight they are without their target man on those set pieces due to a red card. It is hard to replace a man that stands 6 foot 7 inches and draws double and even some triple teams. Carroll might have dodged a bullet with that one but the problem is senior captain John Gottwald is healthy again after taking a knee to the face against UWP in the conference tournament. The soon to be WIAC offensive player of the year will find his name on the score sheet tonight. And to imagine this kid got cut his freshman year WOW!
GG33,
If you go, best of luck and you will be missed. After years on the football side of this board, I got involved late. The chance to watch SJU on the web, plus seeing guys I've coached play college ball in the East and Mid-Atlantic sparked my interest. And it looked this season like I might be moving back to Minny.
I hope the North/MIAC boards grow. One thing I've noticed on the MIAC FB board: As more parity came to the league, the discussions improved substantially. The wide-ranging ages and backgrounds there enhance it. (Through all of it, however, it remains a solid source for craft beer info.)
Best o' luck to the Gusties going forward.
1-0 UWW. Off a corner. Who would have guessed that
2-0 UWW off another set piece. Ryan Reid with his 9th goal of the year from center back
UWW gets a 3-1 victory over Carroll to advance to the 2nd round match against Wheaton on Saturday.
UWW scores 3 goals in the first half. All three goals scored off set pieces (corner or long throw). Centerback Ryan Reid gets his 8th and 9th goals of the season, very impressive. Carroll pulls one back in the 2nd half to make things a bit interesting but UWW was able to ride out the storm and finish off the victory.
The Wheaton coaching staff made the trip to get a scouting report so we'll see if they can find a way to shut down the UWW set piece attack. Getting Stanko back will surely help UWW.
I'm still sticking with a Wheaton win 1-0.
2-1 UWW.
Set piece offenses are extremely legal and dangerous in the tournament and in general (see: Loras Duhawks).
I'm picking the upset.
I'm with you Cheesehead ... I'm picking the Warhawks to pull the upset.
Call it what you want, but goals aren't easy to come by in the NCAA Tournament. I don't care if you score through the flow of play or if you score via CK/Throw-Ins, it's about playing to your strengths.
Lethal*. Of course they are also legal too ;D
Looks like this beautiful polar vortex is changing some game times. Wartburg Pod has moved games up to 1 and 3:30. Would suspect some others would be affected as well.
Loras/Westminster and GAC/Domincan game times moved up to Noon and 2:30 I believe.
Let's be honest, why the heck would you schedule night games when it is 20 degrees out anyways. Change of schedule due to suspected snow tomorrow evening.
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on November 14, 2014, 12:24:47 PM
Loras/Westminster and GAC/Domincan game times moved up to Noon and 2:30 I believe.
Let's be honest, why the heck would you schedule night games when it is 20 degrees out anyways. Change of schedule due to suspected snow tomorrow evening.
This is good news. Looks like the Sunday match is still on for 5 pm though. Would love to see that one moved up to 2:30 as well.
Hopefully the Sunday match is of relevance to us gustiefan.... It doesn't make sense to keep the Sunday match at 5pm though.
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on November 14, 2014, 01:35:02 PM
Hopefully the Sunday match is of relevance to us gustiefan.... It doesn't make sense to keep the Sunday match at 5pm though.
Well you can't have it at noon, that would mean the players would have to miss Mass! ;)
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 14, 2014, 03:40:21 PM
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on November 14, 2014, 01:35:02 PM
Hopefully the Sunday match is of relevance to us gustiefan.... It doesn't make sense to keep the Sunday match at 5pm though.
Well you can't have it at noon, that would mean the players would have to miss Mass! ;)
hallelujah!! Brother :o
Bundle up ladies and gentlemen it's gonna be ccccccooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllld :'(
Congrats to Wartburg and Loras on advancing to the Sweet 16. Sorry for the late post, I am just getting rid of my hangover from my weekend in Dubuque. Kickin, it was a pleasure meeting you this weekend, unfortunate we didn't have time to grab a beer!
Here is my recap of the GAC vs. Loras match...
GAC came out flying the first 15 or so minutes possessing the ball nicely throughout the midfield but couldn't convert on a few nice opportunities early. Loras settled in after absorbing GAC's initial pressure and then the long balls started a flying... I didn't watch any Loras games online this season, I wish I would have so I knew what to expect when watching the game. As an opposing fan it is difficult to watch this brand of Loras soccer. I can admit I didn't give the Loras teams in the past enough credit for their style of play, this Loras team, not so much. As noted previously by Loras posters, this team plays a style that is effective for it's personnel. Loras is big and strong, they don't lose a lot of aerial battles but they do not string together more than 3 or 4 passes in any given possession. The GAC backline did just fine at minimizing the Loras opportunities up until the first Loras goal was scored. Average marking and the GAC keeper may have come out for a ball he shouldn't have resulting in the first goal. The first half in general I would say was controlled by GAC for the most part. I didn't think the goal would be that detrimental to Gustavus' chances going into the second half, but I was wrong. Loras came out the stronger of the two sides in the second half and did well at creating dangerous opportunities throughout the opening 10-15 minutes of the half. Your team is only as strong as your weakest link and the weak link for GAC was their backline. A major error by the GAC center back gifted the Duhawks their second goal. GAC possessed the ball for the last 10-15 minutes of the game pushing numbers forward trying to find a goal but it wasn't meant to be. A pretty quiet game for Zach Brown up top. The GAC center mids (Lilly and Adams) had excellent games I thought and they proved why they are both deserving of first team all-region honors. Pizello in the middle for Loras was a beast, but, I don't think he was used to being walked around as much as he did in that match. Adams/Lilly were dribbling past him at will. If I had to put a number on it I would say that Charlie Adams dribbled 27-28 Duhawks throughout the match while losing possession only maybe twice. Adams looked like the best player on the field for either team in this particular game. The weather conditions for the game certainly worked in the Duhawks favor, it was frigid... I am still uncertain why the game wasn't played at 1PM. Maybe if Loras had more than one guy groundskeeper working on clearing the field this could've been done???? I walked by the field at approximately 2PM and the field was completely cleared of snow with one guy doing some shoveling. Why have the game at 5PM when it was 5-10 degrees cooler? This Loras team will have a chance at beating Trinity in Wheaton this coming weekend as long as the temperatures stay cold and borderline unplayable. If Loras matches up against a strong possession team with an excellent backline we could see the Duhawks bow out of the tournament with a 3 goal defeat. If Loras can nick a goal early or continue to score on their set pieces in any of their remaining games this season they may pull off some big upsets in route to a Final 4 appearance.
Here are my predictions for this weekends Wheaton (Il) quadrant:
Wheaton 2 Wartburg 1 --- This could be one of the more entertaining games of the Sweet 16.
Loras 1 Trinity 0 ---- Too cold for the Tigers
Wheaton 3 Loras 0 ---- Hopefully skilled soccer wins out in this one.
Temperature at game time in Wheaton is looking to be mid to lower twenties! Hope everybody brings their parkas and wind masks....
I agree with your assessment of the match, except there were at least 20 people there to clear off the field that day. If the match up between Loras and Wheaton happens it will certainly not be a 3-0 Thunder victory, The Duhawks are 4-2-1 in their last 7 meetings with Wheaton and more importantly 2-0 with a 4 to 0 goal differential rhe last 2 seasons, so Loras has had their number in the most recent of matches that may have involved any of these current players. They haven't given up 3 to anyone this season and I don't see that happening in a tournament game. I know Wheaton is running hot right now, but I am not so sure Wartburg won't be stealing their "Thunder" (yes!)
Wartburg1-1 Wheaton Wartburg adv 5-3 Pks
Loras 2--1 Trinity
Loras 2-1 Wartburg
By the way, don't leave the board just yet, you are the only one left thats held on from the previous 3 sites I have to argue and banter with. I am about to start singing "All by myself"
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 19, 2014, 12:40:02 AM
By the way, don't leave the board just yet, you are the only one left thats held on from the previous 3 sites I have to argue and banter with. I am about to start singing "All by myself"
I've seen this Karaoke performance and it is truly abysmal...
Quote from: Wormburner on November 19, 2014, 08:18:09 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 19, 2014, 12:40:02 AM
By the way, don't leave the board just yet, you are the only one left thats held on from the previous 3 sites I have to argue and banter with. I am about to start singing "All by myself"
I've seen this Karaoke performance and it is truly abysmal...
I have no defense for that statement.
Looking forward to the great games @Wheaton Sectionals this weekend..Come on IIAC!!
Duhawks comin' back Home!!
"Being is Chicagoland is our 2nd home, we are hoping you can come out and support us this weekend and give us a "homefield" crowd! If you can't make it, you can watch online at http://portal.stretchinternet.com/wheaton/
Loras will also be hosting a pregame Happy Hour at 5 pm in downtown Wheaton at Muldoon's (133 W Front St, Wheaton, IL 60187
(630) 668-8866) for any alumni, family, fans and friends of our program. Cash Bar and Menu to die for"
Go Duhawks.
Wheaton vs Wartburg - 2-1 (1OT)
*Wartburg is good but their inconsistency comes out in the first OT and they let one slip by
Loras vs Trinity - 2-0
*Too cold for Trinity
Loras vs Wheaton - 2-1
*Not allowed to dance in Wheaton so they can't dance to the Final Four. Loras breaks the program cycle of missing out on the Final Four after going their two years in a row.
Would like to see a Loras Wartburg clash in the Elite 8 though. Might make the drive up if that happened...
Madhatter5, every time I read your posts I am absolutely convinced that you are Jack Nicholson. Very effective whatever you call those things. Who knew Jack cared about the IIAC???
Wheaton vs. Wartburg....... 2-0
Loras vs. Trinity........ 1-2
Wheaton vs. Trinity........3-1
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 19, 2014, 09:30:31 PM
Madhatter5, every time I read your posts I am absolutely convinced that you are Jack Nicholson. Very effective whatever you call those things. Who knew Jack cared about the IIAC???
I hope while you read my posts you are reading them in a Jack voice as well. Preferably Jack from The Departed.
I personally know Jack and I know he keeps up with every IIAC throughout the year. True story.
http://www.nscaa.com/news/2014/12/2014-nscaa-continental-tire-ncaa-division-iii-men-s-all-north-region
No Charlie Adams from GAC on the All-Region teams... mind blowing
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on December 11, 2014, 03:49:57 PM
http://www.nscaa.com/news/2014/12/2014-nscaa-continental-tire-ncaa-division-iii-men-s-all-north-region
No Charlie Adams from GAC on the All-Region teams... mind blowing
Definitely a surprise omission. He was clearly the most skilled center mid in the first and second round NCAA games at Loras.
I would agree no Charlie Adams is a surprise...
Biggest shock to me was seeing 5 Luther players make the All-Region teams. 5?!?! THEY DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE TOURNAMENT! Yes Gednalske deserved it, but the other 4 were a shock. 2 of them weren't even 1st team all conference in the IIAC.
Quote from: Sir Victor on December 12, 2014, 12:30:27 PM
I would agree no Charlie Adams is a surprise...
Biggest shock to me was seeing 5 Luther players make the All-Region teams. 5?!?! THEY DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE TOURNAMENT! Yes Gednalske deserved it, but the other 4 were a shock. 2 of them weren't even 1st team all conference in the IIAC.
Don't forget that Luther's omission from the
NCAA Tournament (and the
NCAA Regional Rankings) was an
NCAA decision, not an NSCAA decision. The
NSCAA All-Region teams are done by the
NSCAA, not the NCAA. Luther was in the NSCAA's final North Region rankings (http://www.nscaatv.com/rankings/3951/NCAADivisionIII/men/North/Poll11) at No. 4.
Don't be surprised to observe a disconnect between things not connected.
GAC was #3 in the regional rankings and they placed two players in the All-Region team while Luther was #4 and they placed 5. Crazy. Not as crazy as omitting GAC from the Top 25 of the D3soccer.com rankings, but pretty close. ;D
2 players from Grinnell
4 from St. Scholastica
Where is Stockman-Willis? UST had a rough year but he is a very good player (played 7 matches at NIU as a sophomore then transferred to UST). Both Stockman-Willis and Charlie Adams would start for any team in the North Region no questions asked.
Ya I'm rather surprised that there wasn't more recognition of the MIAC, Scholastica getting four players in is a big ?. They don't play anybody and can rack up goal and give up hardly any. Relative to the MIAC schools that are highly competitive. Also, with Luther getting 5 players in is a joke.
With regard to All-Conference selections, those are completely political. Ex, WIAC. Oshkosh and Superior players had 9 players first team and UWW only had 2. Basically coaches can sway the votes and get there players awarded, even if not deserving. Hence, the All-Region team had 3 UWW players, 1 Oshkosh player, 0 Superior players. And one of the UWW players was second team conference, then got second team All-Region.
Loras places 3 1st teamers and not a single one makes any of the AA's. Pizzello scores 14 goals as a defensive midfielder, leads the IIAC in scoring and is Defensive POY in the Conference and nothing? BS!
Ya I am completely disgusted with the omission of Pizzello. I honestly thought he would be first or second team, to not have a Loras player.... and a lack of north players on the AA team is a joke. I do believe Pizzello was the only player from Loras deserving of the award however.
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on December 13, 2014, 07:32:06 PM
Ya I am completely disgusted with the omission of Pizzello. I honestly thought he would be first or second team, to not have a Loras player.... and a lack of north players on the AA team is a joke. I do believe Pizzello was the only player from Loras deserving of the award however.
I would agree with that