Loras completes their first preseason match back on US soil tonight with a convincing 2-1 victory against D1 Drake University. From the limited stats shown it had Loras leading in all offensive categories.
Easily could've been 3-1 Loras but it's only preseason but still embarrassing for Drake. Loras defense looked solid already.
Despite losing Figura in the back, this Loras defense is going to be rock solid once again.
I know Wartburg brought in a large recruiting class, but how many will make an impact this year?
Circle October 25 on your calendars and book your travel plans...Iowa Conference Championship will come down to that match between Loras and Wartburg in the Rock Bowl.
Quote from: Puerco Espin on August 27, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
Despite losing Figura in the back, this Loras defense is going to be rock solid once again.
I know Wartburg brought in a large recruiting class, but how many will make an impact this year?
Circle October 25 on your calendars and book your travel plans...Iowa Conference Championship will come down to that match between Loras and Wartburg in the Rock Bowl.
I beg to differ. I see the big game on that date will be in Storm Lake.
Quote from: Puerco Espin on August 27, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
Despite losing Figura in the back, this Loras defense is going to be rock solid once again.
I know Wartburg brought in a large recruiting class, but how many will make an impact this year?
Circle October 25 on your calendars and book your travel plans...Iowa Conference Championship will come down to that match between Loras and Wartburg in the Rock Bowl.
The recruiting class is just all quantity but short on quality. my source says only the kid from naperville il is decent. I saw him in state cup and he's quality.
But yep, wartburg will be strong this year. Loras 3 - 0 wartburg in the rock bowel.
What are other recruiting classes besides Wartburg looking like in the IIAC will any freshmen contribute for the other schools?
It'll be interesting to see if Wartburg's freshman class does anything this year. With as big of recruiting classes as Loras generally brings in, and Wartburg now bringing in class sizes of equal numbers, it can't be too far fetched to assume there are a couple strong players for both teams who can directly make an impact. But from what I've heard, Dubuque and Simpson are supposedly bringing in strong freshmen according to a few people I've been talking to. Anybody hear anything else similar, or different? I'm rather curious.
@Madhatter ... The Beavers come to the Rock Bowl this year ... Sadly, that means no trip to Storm Lake.
I see a lot of kids on the Wartburg roster that come from CVYSA club in Iowa. Anyone know if that's any good? Never heard of it before.
I find it very interesting that Wartburg's assistant coach has zero college soccer experience. Not saying that its an automatic dismissal, but awfully odd to see, unless you're brothers with the head coach...
Loras vs UWW this afternoon. 22 minutes in and Loras is in complete control of the match with a 2-0 lead with goals by Bradley and Rummelhart. Loras is leading 10-2 in shots and 4-0 in the S.O.G category.
The Duhawks make it 3-0 right before half time with a talley by Kyler Olson.
3-0 is the final score in a match Loras handled well from whistle to whistle. Nice start Duhawks!
Quote from: Puerco Espin on August 28, 2014, 08:45:00 PM
@Madhatter ... The Beavers come to the Rock Bowl this year ... Sadly, that means no trip to Storm Lake.
The game I was talking about was the BV vs Coe game...
Quote from: Puerco Espin on August 28, 2014, 08:45:00 PM
@Madhatter ... The Beavers come to the Rock Bowl this year ... Sadly, that means no trip to Storm Lake.
I see a lot of kids on the Wartburg roster that come from CVYSA club in Iowa. Anyone know if that's any good? Never heard of it before.
I find it very interesting that Wartburg's assistant coach has zero college soccer experience. Not saying that its an automatic dismissal, but awfully odd to see, unless you're brothers with the head coach...
https://www.luther.edu/sports/men/soccer/coaches/
Hiring siblings seems to be going around the IIAC....
Loras with another dominating win over Willamette today 3-0. This one could have been much worse.
is whitewater about the same as last year or are they weaker? 3-0 at half is pretty convincing
I think UWW is about the same, maybe down a bit.
Willamette is a middle to upper half team in the NWC and it kinda showed. Loras absolutely decimated these guys today, out shooting them 29-8 and 11-3 SOG and a 5 to 1 advantage in corners. Loras has looked good so far this season, the new comers are blending well and contributing throughout the match.
I thought Willamette was overpowered and overmatched all day long. They couldn't win 50/50's in the midfield and then when they'd try to play it short, their backs were faced with pressure, forcing a lot of sideways passing.
Good confidence boost for the Duhawks, but they still have some things to sort out offensively. I didn't see Friday's game against UWW, but yesterday's game should have been 3-0 by half at least.
Loras moves up 1 spot in the National Rankings to #2 after a strong showing in week 1 with two 3-0 victories.
two goals at the rock bowl?? are there cracks in the post figura defense?
I was thinking the same thing. I didn't have a chance to see the match, but heard it was another dominate performance by Loras with 2 hiccups that lead to wide open scoring opps for Carroll. Friday will be a highly anticipated match up between The top off the IIAC vs the top of the MIAC in Carleton. I expect the Loras back line to have their issues straightened away and the swarm in full effect.
Prediction Loras 2-0 over the Carly's.
Loras has a freshman starting? Must be the next Cavers....has anyone seen him play? The Duhawks have opened up strongly win 3-0 wins. Experience in this part of the season, especially for the young players is key in preparing for the season.
Wartburg has a HUGE recruiting class, hopefully there is at least one good player in that ???
Looking forward to seeing how this IIAC Championship race turns out
Let me know if anyone finds a good hotel for Kansas City.
Quote from: ldahoSoccer on September 03, 2014, 10:31:22 PM
Let me know if anyone finds a good hotel for Kansas City.
I see what you did there! But shouldn't you be checking for hotels in Greensboro . . . in 2017!
2005 - Sweet 16
2006 - early exit
2007 - Final Four
2008 - Final Four
2009 - Sweet 16
2010 - Sweet 16
2011 - early exit
2012 - Final Four
2013 - Final Four
2014 - Sweet 16
2015 - Sweet 16
2016 - early exit
2017 - Final Four
2018 - Final Four
2019 - Sweet 16
I don't think a freshman has started, but they are receiving regular minutes...Bruns, Moore, and Alfaro.
Carleton's defeat at Carthage last night has me a little puzzled...Carthage outshot Carleton 11-8, 5-3 SOG advantage to Carthage. Off day for the Knights? Regardless, Loras will be their "big" game of the year next to Gustavus and St. Olaf. They'll either come out fired up or find themselves in a deep hole by halftime.
Quote from: Flying Weasel on September 04, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
Quote from: ldahoSoccer on September 03, 2014, 10:31:22 PM
Let me know if anyone finds a good hotel for Kansas City.
I see what you did there! But shouldn't you be checking for hotels in Greensboro . . . in 2017!
2005 - Sweet 16
2006 - early exit
2007 - Final Four
2008 - Final Four
2009 - Sweet 16
2010 - Sweet 16
2011 - early exit
2012 - Final Four
2013 - Final Four
2014 - Sweet 16
2015 - Sweet 16
2016 - early exit
2017 - Final Four
2018 - Final Four
2019 - Sweet 16
You are quite clever yourself there Weasel!
Quote from: Puerco Espin on September 04, 2014, 09:23:51 AM
I don't think a freshman has started, but they are receiving regular minutes...Bruns, Moore, and Alfaro.
Carleton's defeat at Carthage last night has me a little puzzled...Carthage outshot Carleton 11-8, 5-3 SOG advantage to Carthage. Off day for the Knights? Regardless, Loras will be their "big" game of the year next to Gustavus and St. Olaf. They'll either come out fired up or find themselves in a deep hole by halftime.
Wasn't at the game but my source tells me that carleton looked horrible. Carthage is just an average team with an average coach so what does that make of carleton. It won't be pretty tomorrow night against Loras. Loras team that I saw last week plays at a different level than carleton.
According to my source Careltons def mid kept on passing backwards to nobody. he also said the outside mids kept dribbling to no where. Forwards were nonexistent. Defense was constantly under pressure until the latter part of 2nd half. I guess the goalie was cool though. Carthage center mid supposedly played very well along with outside mids. Carthage mids won basically every 50 50 ball. careltons outside backs very weak but carthage outside backs not really tested. Might be a massacre at the rock bowel. 5-0 loras.
CarlEton will be a middle of the pack MIAC team this season. I could see Loras winning this one by 3+ goals.
I was at Carthage-Carleton. Pretty uneventful game on both sides, but Carleton didn't look too good. McGarrity played around 40 mins so it seems like he is being eased into the season (he didn't play at all in the win vs Grinnell). I don't think Carleton connected more than four or five passes in a row and really couldn't get anything going offensively until the last 10-15 mins of the game. Goal was a brutal FK call right outside of the box even though our CB got the ball clean in a tackle. Guy scored directly from the FK. Other than that Carthage didn't create anything dangerous, but neither did Carleton. Too much dribbling, not enough passing made Carthage's defensive efforts a lot easier. Carthage's intensity in defense and transition to winning the ball back was impressive for most of the night.
Given that Loras would probably beat MIAC teams 8 or 9 times out of ten (GAC included), I would be surprised if Loras weren't comfortable winners.
Can anyone get the game?
Quote from: ldahoSoccer on September 05, 2014, 08:56:28 PM
Can anyone get the game?
It took some going, but I got it from the "Current Game" menu on the right side, but the video is extremely choppy, totally unwatchable.
Loras forgot there are 2 halves in this match. Came out flat and have not improved upon that status. Totally out of sorts snd no hustle in their game right now. Being out swarmed.
Loras with a 2-0 victory, but the first 40 minutes of the 2nd half would be best to forget. Very un Duhawk like play, letting them turn and playing a low pressure style was unexpected and doesn't suit their M.O.
Good teams find a way to win even when they're off their game. It seemed as though after the Duhawks tallied early on, they coasted the rest of the way. Carleton's best chance came when they caught Elvert scrambling, but Jimmy Ralph cleared the sure-winner off the end line.
I did not expect this game to be as close as it was, but am happy with the win.
Can't complain about the loss. A couple bounces go Carleton's way and it can easily be a 1-1 (or even 1-0 Carleton if that first goal doesn't deflect as much) game going into the last 20 minutes of that game. Very spirited performance but I'd expect nothing less after that poor Carthage performance midweek. A little more speed in the Carleton attack and they'd be a lock in the top 3 or 4 teams in the North region. Curious to see how Loras deals with St. Thomas on Sunday after a subdued performance tonight. The backlash might be pretty substantial for UST...
What is UST like this year? They come into Sunday's match at 2-1, with wins over MSOE and Lake Forest.
Through three games, they're led in scoring by Pierce Erickson (2G-0A), a freshman who checks in at 6-1. Five other Tommies have a single goal each.
Here we go Duhawks, let's make it a MIAC sweep this weekend
St Thomas scores on a easy ball to the keeper that was bobbled and fell to the feet of a tommie attacker. Duhawks dominant untik that point. Let's get 2 quick ones guys.
Tommies handball in the box, PK for Loras and it hits the post, still 1-0 Tommies. This match is still 70-30 Loras attack and possession.
Duhawks off the crossbar from 30 yds out.
Loras down 1-0 at half. Never a good thing to out shoot a team 10 to 1 and be down 1-0. This has been pretty much all Loras with nothing to show for it.
2 shots 2 goals for the Tommies on a counter. Loras down 2-0 after utter domination to the start of the 2nd half. Unbelievable to see this unfold.
Leading 19-3 on shots and 10-2 on corners and can't breach the goal
Duhawks get 1 back on another pk. Missed the shot but gets the put back.
Loras has their first loss at home in 3 yrs. Out shooting the Tommies 24-3 and 12-2 in corners. Missed a pk and hit the cross bar. Possession was a conservative 70-30, but the final score is all that matters. Time to dig deep and re focus, at the end of the day it's just a loss.
I was afraid of this type of result after Friday's showing against Carleton. The Loras squad from the first three games appears to have gone absent this week.
This game reminded me a lot of the 2012 loss to UW-Platteville...Frustrating to watch, but hopefully they can build from it. No midweek game for the Du's so they'll have plenty of practice time to get ready for St. Olaf and St. John's.
Beside the fact that Loras commanded the stats (although few shots were on goal), what did Loras fans think of UST as a team?
Not very good. #10 had speed and could create problems for opponents but he has very little support.
The first UST goal came when the Loras GK dropped the cross behind him to the only UST man in the box.
The second goal came following a Loras CK when they pushed all but one man forward. #10 played a big part in the second goal as he was able to get out wide and draw attention, leaving #18 open to score.
I see...I view this result as a NCAA upset game (similar to Westminster vs MIAC teams last year and Rose Hulman vs OWU). Great teams will find ways to dig these games out. I'm sure Loras will still go on to have a great year so in hindsight I think they will benefit from this. Early season losses can be a good thing if lessons are learned. Much better to lose early in the year than late!
Agreed ^^^
I think this proves that Loras needs a "go to" for situations like this. WHO is going to step up and be the hero?
'07 & 08' & '09 - Mejia & Bonilla
'10 - Bonilla
'11 & '12 & '13 - Cavers
'14 - Bradley? Lenke? Fluegel?
I think Bradley can be the "go to" for goal scoring and Fluegel can be the "go to" as far as taking over the duties of changing the pace of ths game. IMO Bradley needs to be more of a target player who is allowed to get the ball at his feet and turn to go 1 v 1 instead of trying to feed him long balls. Fluegel is superior in tight spaces and making the crucial passes. Lenke is a power type player who can receive on the run and make things happen. I think Rummelhart should be included because of his game breaking speed and tenacity. I see the Duhawks regrouping and taking each game as an individual test.
Loras 3
St Olaf 1
Loras 2
St John's 0
According to stats the Loras keeper dropped another ball for a walk in goal. This is the 2nd in as many games to start off the opponent with an early gift. 1-1 at half time after a header by Simon. Once again the Duhawks are dominating the stats in Shots 8-3 and Corners 5-0
Loras takes the lead on a Bradley goal
Loras with the 3-2 win and an absolute slaughter in stats. 18-6 shots, 10-5 SOG and the biggest lop sided stat was 13-0 on corners. Obviously the Duhawks are not taking advantage of their vast corner opportunities and they need to get the ball on goal more. The win is nice and IMO expected, but the play needs to tighten up and the D needs to be more assertive.
Another nice win and I look forward to tomorrows match.
@kickin95.. Exactly what happen to the keeper..Free kick lofted into the box..goalie goes up uncontested, perfect form and right through his hands into the back of the net.. about 5 min's later, Soph. Adam Roloff replace him in goal for rest of the game.
Rothert started the game with a new new back line and middle players just to keep the kids on their toes.
Duhawks pressed constantly..Olaf obviously was technically not as sound, but the did put quite a few passes together to mount an attack.
Their second goal should of never happened. Duhawks need to tighten that defense up as it gets later in the game.
Four goals in two games is definetely not a "No Goal Patrol" back line like in previous years.
Wartburg took the Johnnies today 4-1, let assume the Duhawks can do the same if not more damage on them.
RIP Rummelhart you'll be missed :( :(
o no did rummelhaet get injured badly?? hes one of the fastest guys ive ever seen play
I'm curious about Rummelhart too. Someone else has been given his # on the roster and he appears at the bottom of the roster without a #.
Early report is an ACL tear. Terrible news if it really is torn!
Loras once again gives up an early goal to fall behind 1-0. Defense seems to be quite unorganized at times. Attacks aren't coming with any numbers, way too many blind long balls when there's only 1 man up top to have a chance at it. The past 3 teams have started defending with 9 in the box on corners and stifling any chance of scoring.
Loras starts the 2nd by scoring the equalizer and again on the kick off to go up 2-1.
Must compliment St John's on their pitch, it looks gorgeous.
Loras was jyst robbed by the the sideline official of a goal, now hus pride wont let his clear lack of competence make the correct ruling.
Loras with the 3-1 victory, oh wait 2-1, well you could see how chippy SJU was with 15 left in the match
Still hard to believe the center and line overturned a clear goal.
Clearly a goal. The center originally signaled for a goal. The ball was touched by #13 and the keeper. It gets better.... the ruling was that the ball entered the goal directly from the throw-in..... There was no throw-in, Kyler Olson crossed the ball in to the box....Bummer.
How can they overturn such a completely obvious goal and then come up with an explanation that is so ridiculous it would be laughable if it wasn't true.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on September 14, 2014, 02:17:28 PM
Early report is an ACL tear. Terrible news if it really is torn!
Wow -that is terrible news. He (and that spiked Mohawk) and Cavers are the ones I remember most from that epic Messiah-Loras semifinal in 2012.
Heard it was torn. He will be returning for a 5th year. Really tough to see him have to sit out. He is the engine for the duhawks.
That's a big loss for the Duhawks. Rummelhart provided that tenacity that is just about impossible to handle. He was the key cog in their swarm defensive mentality. Obviously, Loras has others capable of filling in, but it could hurt the Duhawks later in the season without his experience.
Quote from: PickettStreetParty on September 14, 2014, 05:31:02 PM
Clearly a goal. The center originally signaled for a goal. The ball was touched by #13 and the keeper. It gets better.... the ruling was that the ball entered the goal directly from the throw-in..... There was no throw-in, Kyler Olson crossed the ball in to the box....Bummer.
Was at the match..started Yelling Kyler..your goal!! yeah.. AR2 on the side starts running up the field as you're suppose to do when there is a goal scored...Hold on..one of the Johnnies starts yelling "Hey that doesn't count..came off a throw in!!".. wtf. Loras just threw it in..kyler got it back on the second or third touch..he KICKS the ball towards the goal..goes under some feet..goalie runs by it..It crosses the the goal line Completely.." GOAL!!
I was livid yelling, parents telling me to shut up..said you can't have a cluster fux like that at this level of play..How do they forget the 10 seconds of play that just happened in front of them..OMG
I must say the AR2 was very young looking and seemed not to be in total confidence of his calls in his quadrant.. needless to say they believe the Johnnies explanation and not the Loras one on what happened.
Went to go watch the replay on Johnnies site..game doesn't exist :)
was the rummelhart injury before or after the st thomas loss?
Quote from: Durantula on September 15, 2014, 01:55:35 PM
was the rummelhart injury before or after the st thomas loss?
My first thought was that it happened in practice. I feel like on turf, injuries like that are bound to happen more than on grass. Is he confirmed coming back next year?
If it's an injury why would you so quickly take the guy's number and actually give it to someone, and then still keep the guy's name on the roster but without a number? Can't think of how that could make sense.
I would guess the number was given to someone else so quickly because they wanted to get him an injury redshirt and his number was given to a player from the reserves to show he is no longer on the active player roster. I suspect he was left on the list out of respect because he is still a team member and they aren't just going to drop him.
How does a senior do a "redshirt" injury year? Does he make sure he doesn't graduate, or does Loras have graduate programs?
Tom Fluegel is wearing #3 for the remainder of the season as a tribute to Rummelhart. The two have been roommates and best friends since they both arrived at Loras.
My guess is that Rummelhart will have surgery this fall with the hopes of being ready for spring season. As for his academics, he'll most likely enroll for another semester and can choose to either lighten his course load this spring or take a regular semester and then have the option to enroll in either 3 or 6 credits in the fall of 2015.
Quote from: Puerco Espin on September 15, 2014, 07:41:41 PM
Tom Fluegel is wearing #3 for the remainder of the season as a tribute to Rummelhart. The two have been roommates and best friends since they both arrived at Loras.
Thanks. That is an explanation that actually makes sense. And kudos to Fluegel for a class move.
Quote from: Puerco Espin on September 15, 2014, 07:41:41 PM
As for his academics, he'll most likely enroll for another semester and can choose to either lighten his course load this spring or take a regular semester and then have the option to enroll in either 3 or 6 credits in the fall of 2015.
Puerco, you must be enrolled in 12 credits to be considered full-time, therefore eligible for NCAA athletics. I would imagine he'll find a way to either lighten up both Spring 2015 & Fall 2015 or look into one of the graduate programs at Loras. Depending on the drop dates, another option could be to drop a class or two this semester so those are available to take in the coming semesters.
You hate to see someone go out with a season ending injury like that, even if he is from Loras.
Knees are tricky business, its pretty rare that an athlete ever makes a full recovery from a torn ACL, esspecially when their game relies so heavily on their dynamic and explosive movement; i.e. D. Rose, RG3, Torres. Hopefully Rummelhart can get back to his old form.
I'd be curious to know how the Redshirt process works with a mid-sesaon injury like this. Does he have to miss any games next season due to playing in a handful of contests this year? Unless his academic path already had him returning for a 5th year or he has legit interest in a post-grad degree, does it make sense to return for a partial season next year?
Not trying to stir the pot here, just kind of unique situation. While I'm sure its not unheard of in D3, its certainly got to be less common that a player comes back for a 5th season compared to other divisions.
You can play up to a certain percentage of your team's games before you can no longer request a medical redshirt. I'm not sure what the exact percentage is, but he will not have to miss any games next season.
After playing against four MIAC teams, how would the Loras fans who attended each game rate the teams they played? (UST, St. Olaf, SJU, and CarlEton)
Which teams gave them diffculty (and why?)? What were their weaknesses, etc.?
The MIAC teams just beat the crap out of each other...Very physical games.
Skill wise, here's how I would rank them:
1. Carleton
2. SJU
3. UST
I didn't see Loras vs. St. Olaf
Despite Carleton being shutout, I thought they had the most consistent attack, just couldn't break through.
The SJU GK has an powerful boot that, if used correctly, can spring forwards free. Their problem on Sunday was hitting frame...they created plenty of chances just couldn't find a way to put them on frame.
UST ... They got lucky. If the Loras GK doesn't drop the cross in the 5', they don't score then, and I don't believe they score the rest of the day. They played well with the lead. They hunkered down and with a little bit of luck, almost kept Loras off the scoresheet.
Quote from: Puerco Espin on September 16, 2014, 12:24:06 PM
You can play up to a certain percentage of your team's games before you can no longer request a medical redshirt. I'm not sure what the exact percentage is, but he will not have to miss any games next season.
It's 30%. Rummelhart competed in five matches this season, which is 28% of the Loras schedule (not including postseason). He's therefore eligible for a medical hardship waiver, aka a medical redshirt, pending the completion and approval of his documentation.
#8 Calbert did this exact move when he was injured in the Wheaton match in 2011 and came back in 2012 to lead the Duhawks to the Final 4. #saltnpeppa
Duhawks v. Chicago tomorrow..any thoughts? Chicago's results this year have been against some pretty weak teams so far.. 4-1 Win over Benedictine, 6-2 Win over Knox, 5-1 Win over Aurora. Add a bad loss to Kalamazoo 0-1 and I'm not sure what to expect from them.
I think we'll know in the first five minutes what the game will be like.
If Loras comes out fast and swarms the Chicago backline, I could see it being a 3-0/4-1/5-0/etc decision. However, if we're five minutes in and Chicago has moved into the attacking third and earned a long throw/corner, it'll play out to be a 2-0/2-1/1-0 decision.
Obviously, I'm hoping for the first option, but with how Loras has come out these last four games, who knows.
What seems to be a pattern anymore is Loras giving up another early goal to Chicago. The D just isn't on the same page.
Now down 2-0, time to reset.
Loras does reset in the 2nd half and tallies 2 quick goals to tie it up.
Best offense is the long throw in the 2nd half.
Duhawks win 3-2 in 2OT....
"Best offense is the long throw in the 2nd half" ....the long throw seems to be a go to for Loras. The times I've watched them they've always been very direct with that and free kicks. They certainly have the individual skill to break teams down, why settle for long throws and dumping it in the box?
The long throw in is a great weapon if you can convert on it. The Duhawks have had a terrible conversion rate on their corners and long throws. They have had around 75 corner kicks (counting tonights match) and at least as many long throw ins in to the box and have converted on 2 or possibly 3 of those ( .02% rate of conversion). If they can put 2 halves together like the have played their 2nd halves the last 2 games they will be nearly unstoppable! A little fire is needed under their butts and things start to happen. Glad to see them win, they earned it after their dominance in the 2nd half and both OT's.
Quote from: Midwest Soccer on September 18, 2014, 10:33:01 PM
"Best offense is the long throw in the 2nd half" ....the long throw seems to be a go to for Loras. The times I've watched them they've always been very direct with that and free kicks. They certainly have the individual skill to break teams down, why settle for long throws and dumping it in the box?
I have been asking that question lately myself, why just dump it all first half and then turn around and play a more controlled build up in the 2nd. It's obvious what works and what doesn't. Less dump and run and more pressure through build up from front to back. with Rummelhart out for the season they don't have the total burner up front who can run all those balls down. Lenke has pace, but not Rummelhart pace. Bradley is prototypical target material, use him.
Was at the game. Hard to watch. Loras first touch was pretty rough. Passing was brutal, often times to no one. Most times they tried to be too fancy with a back heel pass or flick on. Seemed content to make a short pass, kick it long, then pressure up top hoping that the defense would cough one up. Didn't work well in the first half but Chicago seemed to start slipping in the second half giving up the chances for the Loras goals. Don't know about the first half but counted only 2 or 3 times when Loras strung together more than 3 passes in the second half and OT's, I think the final goal was one of those times. Loras defense looked confused on who to mark in the first half, which is why Bradley was marking a forward or outside mid. Second half they looked like the figured it out. 11 and 16 looked like they were the main threat. I know Puerco might say that good teams find a way to win, but good teams don't find themselves in those position this often. But it is the first game I saw them play live so hopefully the game on Sunday against UW Oshkosh.
In my opinion cavers was the one who made all the possession happen in the past. I think the remaining duhawks might only be capable of being a boot and swarm team. giving up so much possession is letting other teams get chances. Did they allow this many goals all of last year combined??
I sat through some of the second half of this match. To me, it demonstrated the worst aspect of D3 soccer: that big, strong athletes with speed can win games by blasting the ball somewhere near the box and then smashing it home after it pinballs around the scrum. It's pretty effective, but ugly to watch. This is a game plan that's also popular in the NESCAC, which always has a couple of teams that make some noise in November. Ultimately, there are a couple of teams with enough skill and poise to handle that strategy (most notably Messiah), so it's unlikely that a national title can be won using it.
Bethany 1994 won the championship playing total football.
No team has won since without doing the same.
Smash and grab will get you to the dance, but no cigar.
Sounds made up.
;D
Messiah program is built to beat teams that either ping and press or to just take a relentless beating. They should really run the table this year with the talent on board.
Quote from: Saint of Old on September 19, 2014, 12:46:45 PMBethany 1994 won the championship playing total football.
I didn't see the 1994 Bethany team play, so I can't comment on their style of play, but here's their tournament run that landed them their national title, FWIW.
5 GP
2-0-3 (.700)
5 GF, 3 GA
five overtime games out of five
three advancements on PK's
QuoteNo team has won since without doing the same.
Could be, but it's not the first descriptor that comes to mind for Middlebury in 2007 (or TCNJ in 1996).
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on September 19, 2014, 07:28:24 PM
Messiah program is built to beat teams that either ping and press or to just take a relentless beating. They should really run the table this year with the talent on board.
We will know more about them over the next week after they play at Montclaire St and home against York. This is the toughest stretch of their season before tournaments.
Loras for the 3rd match in a row goes down 2 goals in the first. They get 2 back in the 2nd and neither team can find the winner after 2 OT. Can't continue this way if they want to achieve their ultimate goal of a National Championship.
Do Loras and Trinity (TX) always get put in the same region? Trinity doesn't get talked about much on this board where the focus tends to be on the Northeast (New Jersey, New York, New England) and the Midwest (mainly Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota and Iowa). Do Hope, Calvin, GAC, Luther, etc usually get placed in that same region? Any chance that Wheaton (Ill) would be placed in that region?
Anyone have eyes on the Luther vs. Wartburg match? Which team looked better? How far does Luther drop in the rankings?
Loras vs. Dubuque was pretty uneventful. UD GK basically tossed in a goal for Loras off a CK. Straight red card for Leo Lenthe for slapping/smacking a Loras player. That's his second red of the year, so he'll be out for three games.
A shutout is nice to see from Loras, but would've like to see more out of them against a Dubuque side. Maybe going down a man helped the Spartans, who knows.
Good bounce back win for Simpson against what appears to be another depleted BVU side.
I was at the luther wartburg match... very intense, hard-fought game. I would say Wartburg created more chances and looked like the better team. Besides the goal Luther scored, all of their chances came from free kicks with Genaldske trying to get headers. Wartburg just looked too athletic for Luther and seemed like they wanted it more. Wartburg also had a ball cleared off the line by Luther. Dan Nadeau continued his all-american type season by adding another goal, and I think is the favorite for winning the IIAC offensive MVP.
I think with how weak Luther's schedule has been (best win against St. Olaf?) they will drop to around the twenties in the national rankings. I'm not sure if Wartburg will jump them in the region, but it will be much closer. Even though St Norbert has also played a very easy schedule, I can't see Wartburg jumping them in the region yet.
How long did Dubuque play with 10 men? With the amount of firepower Simpson seems to have should Luther or Loras be on upset alert? The games are home for Luther and away for Loras.
Quote from: Puerco Espin on October 02, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Anyone have eyes on the Luther vs. Wartburg match? Which team looked better?
The feed was good, but the angle wasn't helpful since they seemed to have filmed from a corner of the field. As a result, I couldn't see one of Wartburg's goals because the camera was too panned out. But it appeared that both sides played really physical ball. I think both teams came to play and knew the severity of what this game meant, and it started really chippy with a Luther yellow card maybe 5 minutes in. After that, both teams exchanged fouls back and forth until a minor altercation broke out in the 1st half.
The second half seemed to be mostly Wartburg possession, especially considering Luther was pushing more guys forward to get that equalizer.
It was a great game, and I think Luther will drop to late teens (possibly 17th or 18th).
http://youtu.be/qEL_ZIqjcA0 (http://youtu.be/qEL_ZIqjcA0) Wartburg - Luther Highlights :P
Quote from: Durantula on October 02, 2014, 02:46:52 PM
With the amount of firepower Simpson seems to have should Luther or Loras be on upset alert? The games are home for Luther and away for Loras.
Firepower? Because they scored 8 against BVU. They should be worried they gave up a goal against that team. Besides the win against a mediocre Wis-Whitewater there's not much left on their schedule to be impressed with.
As for the Loras vs. UD game, I left at half. Loras seems too scared to mess up and are content with playing kick ball, even when they are in their attacking half... As I have said in previous posts, they look their best and get their best chances when they knock the ball around more than 3 passes. They made more passes in UD's 18 then they did in the middle of the field.
As to the reason they have so many corner kicks, they seem to enjoy taking the ball down the sideline and then kicking it as hard as they can into their defender so it will go for a corner. Instead they should be bringing it back and waiting for numbers to get in the box and fire off a less contested cross.
The shut out will hopefully give their defense and goalie a boost.
Maybe it's the loss of 4 or 5 starting players but I for one am going to be worried for almost every Conference game the rest of the year.
Good confidence builder for the Duhawks today. BVU is in for yet another long season.
9-0 Wartburg over Central ... Yowzers. Curious how long they kept their starters in for.
Simpson appears to be the one on the outside looking in this year after the 2-nil setback to Luther.
UD hands Coe a 5-2 loss, nothing too exciting there.
The Wartburg Central match was one of the weirder that I have watched. Central threw people forward and hardly played any defense. the Wartburg starters were only in for about 25 min and then did not even start the second half. I think BV might have a chance against the Dutch if it is on BV's field
Talk about a gameplan that completely backfired. Doesn't look to be a promising season in the land of the Dutch.
Knights with a solid 3-1 win over the Olies. Kyle Sprain the Waverly homegrown talent with his third collegiate goal. He has really stepped up as a left back who can join the attack when needed. This Wartburg team is on a hot streak, hopefully they can ride this out for the rest of the season.
Looked at the box score and saw Wartburg had 12 shots and nine on target. That's quite impressive.
Saw Simpson dominated the game against St. Mary's (MN), but could only muster one goal. As well as Luther yet again edging out over a questionable opponent in UW-Platteville in OT to keep there schedule unblemished with the exception of Wartburg. Any idea what these games looked like? Anybody watch them?
Why is the Loras vs. Western Illinois game cancelled ?
I would assume it is weather related.
Quote from: futbol117 on October 13, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
I would assume it is weather related.
Yep and will not be made up.. Bring on UW-Platteville on Wednesday ;D
Quote from: futbol117 on October 13, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
I would assume it is weather related.
Dang I was gona say that. You beat me to it!
Anyways, this should be a solid matchup for Loras to see how they fare now that things get down to the nitty gritty. Platteville has proved to be a fairly decent squad. They tied to Wartburg 0-0, as well as
narrowly losing 2-1 to Luther in OT. It will be interesting to see how Loras plays!
Should be a good match-up against platteville as they added legend to their coaching staff. Andy Filipiak aka Uncle Drew joined UWP this season. Smoothest player I have ever seen.
I think Loras rolls 3-0. The Pioneers struggled against a weak side in Maranatha Baptist. Even with the key pieces missing for Loras, they put up three easily and another shutout.
Anyone know why the Grinnel/Central match was postponed and not rescheduled? Checked Central website to see the result and the match had been deleted from their schedule with no mention of why. Its as though the match was never made and vanished into thin air. Grinnel website at least acknowledged the match had been made but did not elaborate beyond line one of my post. If cancellation was weather related seems odd neither school would mention that?
Loras loses 1-0 in OT against UWP? I watched Loras outplay UWP for a great majority of this game and have 2 goals ckeared off the line. Not the Duhawks best performance, but far from their worst just couldn't find the back of the net. Not a new problem but one that needs to be solved soon if advancing deep into the tournament is expected. Missing your 2 starting forwards doesn't help, but the bench is deep. Someone needs to step up and guide this team on the field.
Agreed completely. Definitely dominated UWP, they just couldn't find that net! Let's see how they rebound now that Loras has Luther on Saturday. Will they come out guns blazing and step up to the adversity, or curl up and implode?
I expect to watch a great game on Saturday between the Duhawks and Norse!
Prediction: 2-1 Norse.
The loss UWP is a bad one going in to next weeks Regional Rankings. UWP's record will definitely hurt the Duhawks chances at home field advantage come Tourney time. I have no doubt Loras will rebound and take down Luther and Wartburg to claim their rightful place atop the IIAC. The adversity Loras has had to endure so far this season with the loss of both their starting strikers and major defensive disrupters in Bradley and Rummelhart would have put many teams out off commission.
I'll eat crow...What a shocker last night. With just three regular season games left, you almost have to wonder when the Duhawks are going to figure it out.
Loras will be just fine. They are a talented, well coached squad with depth. Maybe this will wake them up. For Platteville, a great result regardless of the quality played. For some odd reason Platteville has had the duhawks number in recent years. This just shows that the pioneers can play with anybody if they actually show up.
Ill give the win to coach Andy Filipiak. Duhawks will bounce back. Last time they lost to UWP they advanced to the Final Four. If Loras wants to be successful they need to find a No Goal Patrol fast.
At this point, I would take a Cavers/Bonilla/Pucci/etc...Someone that puts the team on their back and gets the goal when no one else is breaking through.
I've been watching Loras since we moved to town six years ago and this is the weakest team I've seen. Early in the season it seemed they couldn't figure out how to play without Cavers and Figura to settle them down and actually possess the ball for any length of time. Then my Iowa City boy Rummelhart goes down, and then Bradley and suddenly they no longer look anything like past years. They still have some fine players but nobody of the caliber of Mejia/Bonilla/Cavers/Figura - guys who could really lead the team. I hope they can figure things out quick, though as a Luther grad I wouldn't mind seeing the Norse take the IIAC like back in the day.
Quote from: Cheesehead Henry on October 15, 2014, 10:17:59 PM
I expect to watch a great game on Saturday between the Duhawks and Norse!
Prediction: 2-1 Norse.
Seems like a good pick to me. Where Loras's biggest weakness is--luther has a proven goal scorer in Gedanalski. Im guessing Loras's best chances will be directly correlated to how many throw ins they have in the attacking third as that seems to be the best way for them to score.
Sidenote: If the IIAC somehow ends like last year with a three way tie, Loras has already only beaten central dubuque and simpson by one. Could come back to haunt them.
Durantula,
Also note that if that three way tie were to rear its ugly head like last year, Luther has that 2-0 victory over Simpson, compared to Wartburg's 4-3 win, versus Loras' 1-0 win. Obviously the IIAC's big 3 can take down teams like central and coe and get that 3 goal differential. But it could be that Simpson game that makes the difference!
If things persist as they are, that will go in favor of the Norse.
Loras v Luther Stream is so screwy...Blurry Camera & Muffled sound..come on guys figure this out
Loras with the 2-1 victory over Luther. Wartburg stumbles a bit with the tie against UD. This puts Loras in the drivers seat now for tournament seeding. Need to pick up the W at the Rock Bowl next weekend for the sweep.
29 hours until kickoff...I can hardly contain my excitement. This has all the makings of a game that will go down in history of these two programs.
No. 8 Loras vs. No. 13 Wartburg
Who ya got?
2-1 (2OT) Loras
1-1 draw with Wartburg scoring early and Loras snagging a goal late.
Gonna roll with Wartburg on this one...
Duhawks take their 9th IIAC Regular Season Title with a convincing 3-1 win over Wartburg. Loras started a bit hesitant and Wartburg made them pay with an early attention getter to go up 1-0. That was about all the motivation Loras needed because the Knights "poked the bear". Loras took the rest of the first half over with authority netting 2 goals to take the lead going in to halftime. The 2nd half was more of the Duhawks imposing their will with the Knights showing light spurts of resistance. The middle official seemed to loses his grip on the match for about 25 minutes when he became a model of inconsistency for both teams. The Duhawks has a couple great changes turned away by a sprawling keeper and a pesky crossbar. The final nail was driven in tight when Dillon Olson went beast mode on the Knights defense. He intercepted a pass at mid field and out hustled and out muscled 4 separate Wartburg defenders before taking the keepers near post pride away with a low screamer. Duhawks finish 3-1 and will host the Conference tourney starting next Saturday. I was happy to see the subs step up their game and decide tonight was going to be a Duhawk night. Let's keep the momentum Duhawks!
Beast mode fer sure..stiffed armed a couple defenders and finally had the finesse to place the ball instead of blasting it over the net!! great finish...great atmosphere at the match..
One thing that needs to be improved is the "Duhawk faithfuls"..
They need to step up their harassment of the opposing team's players!! ;D
Especially in a Wartburg-Loras match, It's tradition!
Highlights ;) via Wartburg
http://wartburgcircuit.org/loras-nabs-iiac-mens-soccer-title-with-win-over-wartburg/ (http://wartburgcircuit.org/loras-nabs-iiac-mens-soccer-title-with-win-over-wartburg/)
Predictions for this weekend's games for:
Simpson vs. UD
Central vs. Luther
I've got 2-1 UD
2-0 Luther
2-0 UD
4-1 Luther
3-1 UD
3-0 Luther
The only reason I say Luther only winning by 2 is because I can really see Central just sitting in and trying to hold on for dear life. Maybe attempting to go for a tie since they probably don't have the stuff to win it in regulation.
Central giving up 44 goals in 17 games doesn't bode well for IIAC tournament run..
Central has lost the last 3 meetings between them. 5-0 on goals
Does Central have the ability to put the ball in the back of the net??
Luther 4-0
Simpson 3-2 UD
;D ;D
I'm more curious as to what will happen with Wartburg and a probable re-match with Luther.
If Luther really has dropped out of the regional rankings, do they need to handle Wartburg and possibly Loras (or keep it close)?
If Wartburg can't get by Luther, are they out of an at-large bid?
At large selections from the North region will be interesting.
Although I do agree the at-large bids in the North will be interesting, I think Wartburg is sitting pretty, whereas Luther is practically out. The only way I could see things possibly changing is if Wartburg does lose to Luther and Luther wins it all. I should mention that it would be interesting if Wartburg loses, and then Luther loses, is Loras the only team to come out of the IIAC? Because there are so many other teams fighting for those at-larges. You have the Minnesota schools and both Oshkosh and Whitewater.
Does anyone have the formula they use for SOS?
Quote from: futbol117 on October 31, 2014, 02:10:57 PM
Does anyone have the formula they use for SOS?
You guys should read D3soccer.com more! ;)
You can check out the Strength-of-Schedule (SOS) calculation in the "Strength-of-Schedule" section on this D3soccer.com webpage (http://d3soccer.com/rankings/2014/about) or go right to the source, Appendix D (pg. 45) of the Division III Soccer Pre-Championships Manual (http://d3soccer.com/ncaa-publications/2014/2014-Division-III-Soccer-Pre-Championships-Manual.pdf).
Thanks for the Leg work there!!!
Quote from: Homegrown Harry on October 31, 2014, 12:20:45 PM
I'm more curious as to what will happen with Wartburg and a probable re-match with Luther.
If Luther really has dropped out of the regional rankings, do they need to handle Wartburg and possibly Loras (or keep it close)?
If Wartburg can't get by Luther, are they out of an at-large bid?
At large selections from the North region will be interesting.
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on October 31, 2014, 01:40:29 PM
Although I do agree the at-large bids in the North will be interesting, I think Wartburg is sitting pretty, whereas Luther is practically out. The only way I could see things possibly changing is if Wartburg does lose to Luther and Luther wins it all
I posted on this in the North Region thread, but will cross-post here.
You're right, Luther is in a very tough spot and this week isn't helping as their SOS is only going to go down with this week's games against Dubuque and Central. Not getting the #2 seed was especially bad for them as it means an extra game against a sub-.300 Central. Ouch! Sure, maybe most of their previous opponents have winning weeks to compensate some, but they're adding two sub-.500 opponents and that's gonna keep their SOS under .500. And, no, I'm not ready to buy the NCAA committee's denial of an SOS threshold (OK, I'm sure there's no official policy they are bound to follow--that would be in the Pre-Championships Manual, but it could be more of a general, informal, non-binding, verbal agreement among committee members). Luther dropping like that has no other reasonable explanation.
Anyway, if Luther wasn't gonna get the #2 seed, it may have been better to have tied Dubuque on Tuesday night so they would have dropped to the #4 seed getting Simpson and their .667 winning pct. in the conference semifinals which may have helped Luther's SOS get back over .500 or at least would have kept it very close so that a semifinal game vs. #1 Loras would have gotten them over .500 which, if that is what's keeping them from being #2 (or #3) in the region, might have been enough to grab an at-large berth even without making the IIAC final. But that scenario for getting an at-large berth would have been very iffy as the additional tie (vs. Dubuque) and loss (vs. Loras) on their record likely would have seen them further down the rankings even if their SOS was high enough to be included again.
But that's neither here nor there at this point. As it is, Luther, needs to win Saturday and then beat Wartburg in the semifinals, not so much for the win and the win vs. ranked, but for the extra game versus Loras and their .861 winning pct. which combined with Wartburg's win pct. from the semifinal should more than compensate for this week's games and get their SOS back over .500. That combined with the additional win vs. ranked from the semifinal could be their ticket to an at-large berth if they wouldn't win in the final and the AQ.
So, following that logic, Wartburg's game against Buena Vista this past Tuesdaywill drop their SOS as well.
Not recalling the exact win% (close to .300), how far does their SOS drop based on this?
Round 2 predictions
Loras 2, UD 0
Wartburg 1, Luther 0
Loras 3, UD 0
Wartburg 1, Luther 1. Luther advances on PK's 4-3
Loras 1, UD 0
Wartburg 2, Luther 1
Loras 2, UD 0
Wartburg 2, Luther 2 ... Luther advances on PK's
Loras 2-0 UD
Wartburg 2-1 Luther
11 hours and counting... ;D Duhawks!
www.duhawks.com/live (http://www.duhawks.com/live)
Letzzgo
Loras 3-2 UD (OT)
Wartburg 2-1 Luther (OT)
Very frustrating to see the Duhawks completely handling UD and be 0-0 at half. Loras has peppered the keeper and had several pills skim the post.
Any one able to get the live video for the Wartburg-Luther game?
Been loading for 45 minutes.
If Wartburg gets a bid, hope they don't host, their video is terrible even when it works.
Might be better to have it keep buffering as opposed to having to watch Loras switch cameras so rapidly or not following the play when it is in the final third... making me sick
Loras 2-1 in OT. This game was a beating from start to finish by the Duhawks, the score was the only thing close in this one. 33-9 shots with 17-7 S.O.G., UD keeper had 15 saves and 7 were outstanding reaction saves. Corners were around 15 to 4.
Well, spot on with my Wartburg-Luther score, thanks to a poorly placed PK.
I like this score and I'll go with it again, Wartburg 1, Loras 0.
I'll also go out on a limb and project the Wartburg goal will come from someone other than their two leading scorers.
Loras 2
Wartburg 1
2 OT
Loras 1
Wartburg 1
Loras 4-3 on penalties
Quote from: casualfan on November 06, 2014, 05:56:56 PM
Loras 1
Wartburg 1
Loras 4-3 on penalties
If it were to go to penalties who would be in net for the Duhawks?
If my memory serves me well, which I'm guessing it does not, then Elvert came in a time or two for the shoot out in the past. But with the way the merry-go-round went in the beginning of the season what could Rothert be thinking?
Big game to win. And don't give me that line that Loras will probably be in the NCAA's with a loss like the commentator on Wednesday. Any game against Wartburg on home turf is a big game, especially when it comes down to getting some hardware.
I'm guessing Elvert comes in. Kids a stud for PK's.
Good question. I'm not too familiar with Loras and going to penalties. I remember the Loras-Luther NCAA game going to pens but don't remember a GK switch, could be wrong.
Like you said, with the merry-go-round scenario from earlier in the season, it's very possible that Rothert goes with Elvert should that situation arise.
Dylan Milkent stayed in for the PK's against Luther last year.
Based on the fact that we haven't seen Elvert since October 4 against Buena Vista, my bet is Rothert stays with Roloff.
Bigger question is: who takes the shots for each team?
I don't know if a lot of Wartburg followers are on this board but it would be nice to hear some incite from them since this is an IIAC thread and not a Loras thread.
I'm guessing Wartburg will be playing angry this game. The last game they played had so many fouls that there was hardly a sustained amount of play. The key for Wartburg will be forcing Loras to play soccer and not let them play to their strength which is throwing free kicks and throw-ins into the box. Saying that, I am sure that it will still be an extremely physical game.
I thought the ref came into the game last time with the belief that it was going to be rough so he decided to call it ultra close right from the beginning. We'll see if it is the same this time around.
Quote from: Durantula on November 07, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
The key for Wartburg will be forcing Loras to play soccer ..
Hits it on the head right there...hard to sub 100 times if the ball is kept and not blasted out bounds. Good soccer is still looking for a home in the IIAC.
Quote from: OriginalStorm on November 07, 2014, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: Durantula on November 07, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
The key for Wartburg will be forcing Loras to play soccer ..
Hits it on the head right there...hard to sub 100 times if the ball is kept and not blasted out bounds. Good soccer is still looking for a home in the IIAC.
So your definition of "Good Soccer" apparently is knocking the ball around and looking pretty regardless of the outcome? Ask Jamaica how that works.
Good Soccer is in the eye of the beholder, Loras is consistently one of the best teams in the country and is the best team in the North region. Coach Rothert utilizes his players according to their strengths, in '07 & '08 they were a possession team that passed circles around their opponents. in '12 & '13 his team was a mix of skill and counters with high pressure. This year he plays with what he has, a few skilled players and a bunch of athletes that are good in the air. I think he has done an exceptional job in spite of all the injuries the team has incurred (5 starters out at any given time). This is why it is important to have a deep bench and that is exactly what he has. Bottom line is that his teams get the job done year after year and it is to his credit that he is able to do this with the vastly different styles of players that have stepped on his field. Talyor Swift quote of the day "Haters gonna hate, hate, hate & players gonna play, play, play ;D
No you hit the nail on the head with Loras playing to their player's strengths.
From what I've watched of Wartburg, I can't really say that is true.
But, to their credit they have found success the past two years and I think this is from the fact that they are tapping into some markets/club teams that are competitive at a regional if not national level.
If (and this is a big if) Wartburg could get it together this year they are a legit elite 8 maybe final 4 team.
But again, they have been inconsistent, great wins 4/3 to 1 then scoreless ties with sub par teams not to mention that bad early loss to Webster.
Wartburg 2, Duhawks 1
Azari and Nadeau score early..Fluegel puts a meaningless one in late.
Wartburg celebrates in the Rockbowl.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 07, 2014, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: OriginalStorm on November 07, 2014, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: Durantula on November 07, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
The key for Wartburg will be forcing Loras to play soccer ..
Hits it on the head right there...hard to sub 100 times if the ball is kept and not blasted out bounds. Good soccer is still looking for a home in the IIAC.
So your definition of "Good Soccer" apparently is knocking the ball around and looking pretty regardless of the outcome? Ask Jamaica how that works.
Nobody is doubting the success of Loras in the past year Kickin', so before you start spouting off how well they've played regardless of their kickball, that has nothing to do with the original post you quoted. He mentioned them playing a non-pretty type of soccer. Which is true in my eyes. Loras plays kick and run soccer which has worked very well for them in the past years. Nobody is doubting that in the least bit. They just don't play much possession and that bothers some soccer watchers that prefer the "Jamaican" style of play with the ball actually on the ground for most of the game.
[/quote] Talyor Swift quote of the day "Haters gonna hate, hate, hate & players gonna play, play, play ;D
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Nobody is hating on them at all. Durantula was pointing out something that everybody has been talking about for years: Loras' love of kickball. It's not hating on them if we're pointing out the obvious. Also how can we hate when there is such obvious success that they've had? We're spurring conversation here with points that are true. Before we start accusing people of hating, step back and look at it from a non biased point of view.
The loras faithful sometimes have trouble of doing that. Just my thoughts, not trying to turn this thread into a NESCAC board with personal insults to anyone...
I take offense to that Cheesehead. I've been down on the Loras all season. I've voiced it a few time but usually I keep it to myself as the Internet is negative as is without my help.
But I would have to agree with Kickin that Loras is playing with what they have whether it's hard to watch or not it's getting results.
I think what Durantula is saying though holds some truth but it's more stating the obvious, don't let the other team player their game. Any team looks to do that. At half they have not been able to do that really but they did get one at the end of the first with a few poor clearances with 6 seconds left.
Should be a interesting end to this second half/game.
Still trying to wrap my head around what we witnessed tonight ... Loras did not seem to have their "A-game". On the indirect free kick, it went 20 feet over the bar...then they weren't even close on the PK they earned minutes later.
Very physical and chippy game between two teams that clearly hate each other. Who knows, maybe these teams will meet again in the NCAA Tournament.
Very important fact in the loras v wartburg result is that the game goes down as a tie and not a loss. This will hurt much less than a regular time loss for selection purposes as well as hosting.
True loras didn't have their "A" game tonight, but that's tough to do with 4 starters out with injuries ( now 5 with Moore).
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Nobody is hating on them at all. Durantula was pointing out something that everybody has been talking about for years: Loras' love of kickball. It's not hating on them if we're pointing out the obvious. Also how can we hate when there is such obvious success that they've had? We're spurring conversation here with points that are true. Before we start accusing people of hating, step back and look at it from a non biased point of view.
The loras faithful sometimes have trouble of doing that. Just my thoughts, not trying to turn this thread into a NESCAC board with personal insults to anyone...
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Funny you says people have been pointing this out for years when last year was the first year they even started playing anything resembling "kickball". Before 2013 Loras was a possession team that played high pressure, I can direct you to plenty of links from past seasons matches that would more than validate this point.
I watched the Loras/Wartburg game.
It was a great game with both teams having a chance to win in regulation.
Why does it seem to me that the the Duhawk faithful seem to make excuses why they lost as opposed to give Wartburg some credit for playing a great game. ??
I watched the last 3rd of this game and was very impressed with both teams. High drama and tremendous competitive spirit. Wartburg going ahead twice on the home field of the bitter rival and almost putting the game away, and Loras TWICE coming back from a goal down to level. If I was a fan of either I would be touting both as great examples of how good these Iowa conference teams are. Similar to the Kenyon-OWU deal, Wartburg needed to pull through in a game of this magnitude, and Loras will be absolutely fine and very difficult to knock out of the tournament.
Sorry, great game Wartburg. You can call it a loss and I am sure everyone else will as well including me, but I must point out again that according to the rules it isn't a loss, it is a tie. I guarantee the players on both sides feel it as a win and a loss along with fans and parents, but I wasn't sticking my head in the sand, I was pointing out a very important fact now that the selection process is in motion and more importantly the hosting selection process. I didn't make the rule, I am the one relaying the info, this same thing created a poop storm in 2007 when Loras "tied" Middlebury in the final four in a penalty shootout. Loras finished the season 23-0-2, many people had a problem with that and somehow tried to blame Loras and get upset with them for the decision. These rules were put in place many years ago and for reasons I can't fully explain, but it is what it is and what it is is a tie.
As far as making excuses, well it's hard not to when you know a teams capabilities when running on all cylinders. Missing four starters is tough, it is a fact as much as an excuse. It doesn't make it any easier that it was Wartburg. I say that in a tone of respect and distain , I am positive the feeling is mutual from the Knights side as well. There is no love lost between these squads and for me it goes back more than 20 years to when I played against them. There are a few bonds between Loras and Wartburg, from former teammates becoming opposing coaches to best friends growing up playing against each other to friends found later in life that ironically played for them just after you graduated. These two teams are the text book "bitter rivalry" and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Kickin which starters were out other than rummelhart and bradley? And will they be back for the tourney? Also I saw that moore went down and did not come back in--do you know anything about that?
Rummelhart, Bradley, Paulino, and now Moore.
Not sure on the extent of the injuries to Paulino or Moore other than lower body. Hopefully with they're ready to go for Saturday.
Rummelhart, Bradley, Paulino, Burgmeier (very limited due to knee), now Spencer Moore. 3 forwards and the main marking back and now Moore as one of 2 true possession players things are going to be interesting to say the least. Jimmy Ralph, Tyler Cruikshank, and JoJo Schmidt are all coming off the bench after extended lengths missed due to injury. Ralph did play a large number of minutes yesterday and his form is nearly back to 100%. I know every team deals with injuries, but these were consistent impact starters. You have to play with the hand you're dealt and I guess we will see how this team reacts to another teammate out (Moore). Someone has to step up in a big way to try and fill his shoes.
Funny you says people have been pointing this out for years when last year was the first year they even started playing anything resembling "kickball". Before 2013 Loras was a possession team that played high pressure, I can direct you to plenty of links from past seasons matches that would more than validate this point.
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Do you think it changed to kickball when we went to play 18, 19, 20, 21+ players per game? Using a lot of subs creates no natural rhythm - natural start/stop/start/stop - no cohesiveness. It allows players to come on for 10 minutes and just run around and work hard and then rest - tough to do when subs are limited. Creates the dependence on set pieces, throw-ins, etc.
Having coaches against those the teams in 2008, 2009, and 2010 - they did play and possessed the ball well. Not doubting those teams.
Credit to both teams for the game on Saturday.
I think subbing that many players does have something to do with it. I also believe Coach Rothert is changing to best utilize the talent he has.
Certainly all the subbing can impact the continuity of play on the field.
It will be interesting to see how Loras sustains through all these injuries. Fewer available/capable players means less subbing.
Since most of the players are used to shorter spells on the field, will fitness be an issue for the DuHawks? Will they make a tactical adjustment and not pressure so high up the field, looking to save legs and utilize their athleticism to counter attack?
The DuHawks are definitely one of the most athletic group of players in D3, but may now have to settle in an play a bit more of the "beautiful game" and let their soccer skills do the talking. Admittedly, I've only seen a few games, but in those matches Loras' goals have come from scrappy plays in front of the goal, not really out of possession.
Will they even have to make any tactical changes at all? With so much depth (they do have a reserve squad) will the DuHawks just reload and keep rolling?
Quote from: Homegrown Harry on November 09, 2014, 08:37:59 AM
I watched the Loras/Wartburg game.
It was a great game with both teams having a chance to win in regulation.
Why does it seem to me that the the Duhawk faithful seem to make excuses why they lost as opposed to give Wartburg some credit for playing a great game. ??
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 09, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
As far as making excuses, well it's hard not to when you know a teams capabilities when running on all cylinders.
Going off both of these quotes I have to agree with Kickin as to why we make excuses for this team. But watching that game live with another person we noticed that Wartburg did not have one single chance in the first OT and maybe one in the beginning of the second OT, so it's hard to justify a lose when watching that.
It was one of the more entertaining games I have watched Loras play this year so yes credit to both teams for playing well.
Side-note, was talking with a friend who watched the game yesterday and commented that he hadn't seen a team complain to the ref more than Wartburg did that game and I didn't have a reason as to why that was. Until now. I remember the head coach getting talked to a few times and eventually getting a card. Half the time, and when he got the card, we didn't understand what he was complaining about. I'm hoping if we see them again or for years to come that this was a one time thing due to the game being so emotional, if not then it's going to start getting annoying to sit through games with Wartburg.
Wartburg's coach can get a bit excited, but that can be said about many coaches. He went ballistic about a few calls/no calls and I think the one that you are referring to specifically was about the placement of the ball after an offsides call on them. Very puzzled as to why he picked that time to blow his top. You could hear every word he was screaming and he didn't let up one bit after he was shown the card, I though for sure he was going to see the crimson. The Wartburg team itself was contesting almost every call with yelling and whining. I know all teams complain pretty much whenever a whistle is blown anymore, but this was above any beyond the normal wing flapping and head tossing that players are known to do. This was a very emotionally charged game and I personally understand how you can get caught up in the heat of the moment, at that point it is the job of the coaches and the ref to set things straight.
Watched the Wartburg-Loras highlights agiain.
I must say the Wartburg keeper doesn't get enough credit.
I like his agreesion.
^^Somebody has got a father on here.... ;D
Henry
No relation to the keeper.
As I said in the message, I've started watching Wartburg and IIAC about midway through.
I was injured at work and have been pretty limited in mobilty so I spend ALOT of time watching games online
Homegrown,
Wartburg's keeper is aggressive, that is true. Probably to counter the fact that he's only 5'8''....to me he looked a bit too aggressive in Loras' game against them for the championship. Perhaps if he would have stayed on his line the second goal could have been avoided.
What did you see?
I'll agree with you on that second goal, but you know, another second sooner and he makes that save.
A fine line between reacting too early and not soon enough.
Predictions for first round games?
Loras 4-0
Wartburg 2-1
Quote from: Homegrown Harry on November 10, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
Watched the Wartburg-Loras highlights agiain.
I must say the Wartburg keeper doesn't get enough credit.
I like his agreesion.
This is true, he did make the only save in the shoot out to get the win.
Loras 2-1
Wartburg 2-1
I know I'm a little late here but the Wartburg @ Loras game was as entertaining as any I've ever seen. While we can argue on here for days about Loras' style of play and what our opinions of it are...there is no doubt it is effective. I thought losing Figura and Cavers (and even Rummelhart) would leave the DuHawks in shambles this year but they have proven to be as strong as ever. As a Wartburg fan however, I was thrilled to see the Knights finally win in the Rock Bowl (first time for current seniors).
As always it was a thrilling year in the IIAC. With so many big time players graduating last year I think the conference was down at bit (Cavers, Figura, Berkowitz, Bob Brown, Garcia-Pratts..could be missing a few but off the top of my head that's all I could think of). Last year we had 3 get in the NCAA's and probably should've been 3 this year if Luther wouldn't have scheduled so many cake teams. But regardless, we only had 2 this year and as an observer it seemed overall the conference was down a bit.
That being said, I can easily see both these teams making a run in the NCAA's. Loras' is a matchup nightmare for basically anyone in the country with their size. And Wartburg has firepower...also things seem to be clicking quite well right now in Waverly.
The big 3 (Loras, Wartburg, and Luther) will probably be battling at the top for years it seems. Although Dubuque's facilities are unreal and I could see them attracting a few studs making things interesting for a few years. Central is crap. Simpson gets some talent but can't put it together. Coe is seemingly lost forever and BV is well, BV...
Predictions for COY, Offensive MVP, Defensive MVP? Or All-Conference? Durantula, I know you do as always ;)
Of course!
COY: Rothert for dealing with all these injuries (WorstCOY Garcia-Pratts for that schedule or sports info director or whoever thought that was a good idea)
Offensive MVP: Nadeau runs away with it. Gednalski is next closest but with the two h2h's against the burg Nadeau gets it. Loras doesn't have any one player who plays offense (except Pizello who we will get to later)
Defensive MVP: Pizello. I know this is a strange choice, but I feel like he could be considered a defensive center mid. They have been the best team defensively in the IIAC, and I just don't think its because of their center back (koening I think). Pizello is extremely good in the air and prevents balls from even getting close to the defense. Along with this, Pizello scores a ton of goals and is Loras's main offense. I know this is a defensive award but IIAC often gives defensive player of the week to a defender that scores so maybe I might be right!
1st team all conference:
Loras: Pizello, Fluegel, Koening, Simon??
Wartburg: Krueger, Nadeau, (I think Azari deserves it but probably wont give it to two wartburg forwards because of gednalski and white), Anderson, Martins
Luther: Gednalski, JW Slauson
Simpson: White
Dubuque: Hager, their goalie??
Hmm that was hard haha
Any bracket challenge this year? Good luck to your teams...
I've got the bracket started this year ... Hope to finish it up this afternoon. I'll post a link when it's ready.
http://brbrackets.com/d3-mens-soccer-bracket/
No need...Bennett Rank has a pretty good system in place.
Quote from: Puerco Espin on November 12, 2014, 03:24:58 PM
http://brbrackets.com/d3-mens-soccer-bracket/
No need...Bennett Rank has a pretty good system in place.
Awesome! I can do the women's bracket too! Can't wait! I'm freaking pumped
http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2014/11/13/MSOC_1113142620.aspx
IIAC Honors...
3 teams worth of all-conference selections. Interesting they award about a third of the starters in the conference a post season award. ::)
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on November 13, 2014, 03:50:25 PM
http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2014/11/13/MSOC_1113142620.aspx
IIAC Honors...
3 teams worth of all-conference selections. Interesting they award about a third of the starters in the conference a post season award. ::)
This way everyone gets a trophy!
Why are there 2 Goalkeepers on the first team?
Congrats to Pizzello on being voted the IIAC Defensive POY while also being the leading goal scorer for conference (Has this been done before in any other conferences?). One other tidbit that the article points out is that Pizzello is the first Loras player to receive this honor. Just last season Dan Figura won the National Defensive POY but failed to reel in the IIAC Defensive POY, tough crowd in the IIAC.
Quote from: PickettStreetParty on November 13, 2014, 04:35:35 PM
Why are there 2 Goalkeepers on the first team?
Why aren't there 3 keepers?