Time to start the thread. We've got teams in the dance now.
Neumann (CSAC)
Richard Stockton (NJAC)
Baruch (CUYNAC)
Emory (UAA)
Alvernia (MACC)
Albertus Magnus (GNAC)
Endicott (CCC)
Colby-Sawyer (NAC)
Skidmore (LL)
Sage (SKY)
Misericordia (MACF)
LaGrange (USAC)
Keene State (LEC)
Westfield State (MASCAC)
Medaille (AMCC)
Concordia WI (NACC)
Scranton (LAND)
St. John Fisher (E8)
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 28, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Time to start the thread. We've got teams in the dance now.
Neumann (CSAC)
Richard Stockton (NJAC)
Emory (UAA)
as well as Baruch (CUNYAC)
Neumann (CSAC)
Richard Stockton (NJAC)
Baruch (CUYNAC)
Emory (UAA)
Alvernia (MACC)
Albertus Magnus (GNAC)
Endicott (CCC)
Colby-Sawyer (NAC)
Skidmore (LL)
Sage (SKY)
Misericordia (MACF)
LaGrange (USAC)
Keene State (LEC)
Westfield State (MASCAC)
Medaille (AMCC)
Concordia WI (NACC)
Scranton (LAND)
St. John Fisher (E8)
Oswego State (SUNYAC)
Whitewater (WIAC)
Salisbury (CAC)
Regis (NECC)
E Texas Baptist (ASC)
Dickinson (CC)
St. Norbert (MWC)
DePauw (NCAC)
Mt. Union (OAC)
St. Vincent (PAC)
Calvin (MIAA)
Dubuque (IIAC)
Augustana (CCIW)
Spalding (SLIAC)
Northwestern (UMAC)
Whitworth (NWC)
CMS (SCIAC)
Wesleyan (NESCAC)
Babson (NEWMAC)
Randolph-Macon (ODAC)
Hendrix (SAA)
SUNY-Cobleskill (NEAC)
Defiance (HCAC)
St. Thomas (MIAC)
Texas Lutheran (SCAC)
That Dickinson/William Patterson group is pretty stacked. Glad the East finally got to enjoy one of those.
If you seed pods 1,2,3,4 and using KS's RPI sheet.
1. Augustana
1. Washington
4. DePauw
Not being able to get Washington to Ohio hurt this pod and the next one
Mt Union Pod
2. Mt. Union
4. Neumann
3. Calvin
4. Oswego
Mt. Union is ok as a 1 I suppose, but Neumann and Oswego are pretty solid 4's. Calvin is a solid '3'. This pod is missing a '2'.
If mileage weren't an issue Washington at the Mt. Union pod and Calvin playing DePauw would be a better seed.
William Patterson pod
1. William Patterson
4. Suny-Cobleskill
1. Va Wesleyan
3. John Carroll
Va Wesleyan is a pretty solid one, having them here is a result of the annual geography problem in the South. I have East Texas Bapitist as '2'.
Emory pod
1. Emory
4. Spalding
3. Whitworth
4. LaGrange
This is all because of geography
Are there any early 2nd round games on Saturday or are they all basically 7 pm local time?
Handbook mandates 7pm unless permission from the committee. So, I doubt you will get an earlier game.
Just finished up putting together PER metrics and published the top 100 players in the nation this year. I'll narrow this to include just the NCAA eligible players later this week.
It does seem that the figures skew slightly higher than I would have expected but that could be attributed to the larger variance between players in D3 vs the NBA.
I love seeing Tyler Gaffaney at #3 - he should be a 1st Team All American this year!
http://stag44.blogspot.com/2015/03/ncaa-division-3-per-rankings-march-2.html
Of conferences with multiple bids, they did a good job separating them, for the most part.
Looks like the NCAC got the short end though. Wooster, DePauw and Ohio Wesleyan are all in the same sectional. Wooster and Ohio Wesleyan could meetbin the Sweet 16 with DePauw possibly in the next round.
Elmhurst and IWU could meet in the Elite 8 and play Augie in the Final.
Wash U and Emory are on opposite sides; as is TGHIJGSTO and William Paterson. Stevens Point and Whitewater. Dicky and John's Hopkins. Catholic and Scranton. St. Thomas and St. Olaf.
Mount Union and Marietta could meet in the Elite 8 to play John Carroll in the Final.
Bayes and Trinity could meet in the Sweet 16, then playing Wesleyan in the Elite 8 to play Amherst in the Final. The 4-team sectional could have 3 NESCAC teams for the right to go to the Final Four.
Springfield and WPI could play in the Elite 8 and then see Babson in the Final.
RMC amd VWU could meet with a Final Four berth on the line. Same with Eastern Connecticut and Keene St.
So who are legitimate title contenders and what bracket is the toughest?
Top Left
Augustana
Whitewater
Washington U.
Marietta
Ohio Wesleyan
Wooster
Mount Union
Bottom Left
Babson
TGHIJGSTO
E. Connecticut
Trinity
Top Right
RMC
Amherst
VWC
Bottom Right
St. Thomas
Emory
IWU
Stevens Point
RANK?
Top Left
Bottom Right
Top right
Bottom Left
Bolded are Massey Top 10 teams. Non-bolded are 11-20.
Top Left
Augustana
Washington U.
-
Mount Union
Calvin
-
Whitewater
St. Olaf
-
Marietta
Bottom Left
Babson
Top Right
Randolph-Macon
-
Albertus Magnus
-
Virginia Wesleyan
John Carroll
Bottom Right
St. Thomas
St. Norbert
-
East Texas Baptist
-
Stevens Point
Illinois Wesleyan
-
Emory
Whitworth
Not in Tournament: Bethel (#18)
Yeah, but Massey is used only if I want it quick and dirty, right? ;D :D
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2015, 11:20:21 AM
Yeah, but Massey is used only if I want it quick and dirty, right? ;D :D
No, only if you want to use Massey's SOS values as a proxy for the NCAA's. Otherwise Massey is the most accurate ranking system out there ;) :)
Quote from: KnightSlappy on March 04, 2015, 11:09:03 AM
Bolded are Massey Top 10 teams. Non-bolded are 11-20.
Top Left
Augustana
Washington U.
-
Mount Union
Calvin
-
Whitewater
St. Olaf
-
Marietta
Bottom Left
Babson
Top Right
Randolph-Macon
-
Albertus Magnus
-
Virginia Wesleyan
John Carroll
Bottom Right
St. Thomas
St. Norbert
-
East Texas Baptist
-
Stevens Point
Illinois Wesleyan
-
Emory
Whitworth
Not in Tournament: Bethel (#18)
Looks like Babson has a nice path; hopefully, that will change on Saturday ;D
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2015, 02:58:19 PM
Are there any early 2nd round games on Saturday or are they all basically 7 pm local time?
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2015, 03:47:10 PM
Handbook mandates 7pm unless permission from the committee. So, I doubt you will get an earlier game.
R-MC's game hosting the Catholic/Alvernia winner has been changed to 4 p.m. (ET) on Saturday. I haven't heard a reason for the change. There is a post over on the ODAC board from Pat Coleman offering some possible reasons.
There's probably a little flexibility for weather, and even more so for games that follow byes, where nobody is playing the night before.
Curious what people think is the best 1st game is.
I think St. Norbert has a lot to prove and this is their chance. A home game vs a good team from a power conference.
VWU and John Carroll could be another good game.
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot afyafter knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Curious what people think is the best 1st game is.
I think St. Norbert has a lot to prove and this is their chance. A home game vs a good team from a power conference.
VWU and John Carroll could be another good game.
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot afyafter knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
Your first two are pretty good candidates. I'd add WPI @ SJF, OWU v. Olaf @ UWW, Albertus v. Springfield @ Dickinson, and DePauw @ WashU. Seems like far more quality first-round games than usual this year.
St. Olaf/Ohio Wesleyan and IWU/Dubuque as well.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2015, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Curious what people think is the best 1st game is.
I think St. Norbert has a lot to prove and this is their chance. A home game vs a good team from a power conference.
VWU and John Carroll could be another good game.
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot afyafter knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
Your first two are pretty good candidates. I'd add WPI @ SJF, OWU v. Olaf @ UWW, Albertus v. Springfield @ Dickinson, and DePauw @ WashU. Seems like far more quality first-round games than usual this year.
Yeah, yeah, what he said.
One of the things that I LIKE about this bracket is that, though there are several quality, intriguing games in round 1, they are, by and large, atypical match-ups and though there are a few tough round 2 match-ups, there isn't a "Bracket of Death" and it isn't like things are weighted heavily in certain directions and lightly in others.
Of course, Wash U/Augustana and St. Norbert/St. Thomas might disagree... but with the exception of some pretty seemingly unavoidable difficult match-ups like these (if you swap one team out, then it's going to be a tough match-up for somebody else) the bracket is very well balanced and it should be a very entertaining tournament.
Biggest favorite vs underdog?
Mount Union vs Neumann?
Wooster vs Misericordia
Whitworth vs LaGrange
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Curious what people think is the best 1st game is.
I think St. Norbert has a lot to prove and this is their chance. A home game vs a good team from a power conference.
VWU and John Carroll could be another good game.
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot afyafter knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
I'll choose what Pat referred to as an 8-9 game: Catholic-Alvernia
Per RMC 4pm game: They moved the game because they felt it made no sense for teams, especially the Catholic/Alvernia winner, to be sitting around hotel rooms and such all day Saturday for a night game that they will most likely stay at a hotel that night for as well. Allows teams to get home that night.
The only reason the casual fan may think St. Norbert is getting hosed is because they have to play St. Thomas in the 2nd round, provided they win, as the host team. But we all know that the only reason they are hosting is because St. Thomas' women are hosting. The Tommies are still neing treatwd as the #1 seed in that regional with a 1st round matchup against Northwestern, a team from arguably the worst league in the Midwest (geographically speaking), if not the nation.
Let's also remember... there is a chance St. Norbert would have been sent elsewhere if St. Thomas could have hosted. It isn't like they just pick up a pod and move it to another location. When they lose the chance to host where they want the game... it has an affect that can be felt in many pods.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot afyafter knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
I'm not sure how hot Concordia really is. Massey has them at 117, right behind Eau Claire and River Falls (who they lost to in game #3 by 16). They also lost to Dubuque in the first game of the year.
They did beat Edgewood twice (who Point squeaked by in OT at home early in the year) but the NAthCon didn't have a single hot team. Aurora and Benedictine shared it with Concordia a game behind in a real meat grinder. The NACC only had one real signature win in the non-conference... Benedictine over IWU in the first game of the year. The next best win was either Aurora's win over La Crosse or their won over Millikin (though, like Edgewood's *almost* against UWSP, both Aurora and Benedictine lost close games to North Central as well). The NACC was 22-32 in non-conference, compared to WIAC's decidedly down 46-35. As a conference, the NACC was #33 with a conference SOS of #34 (out of 47, including independents). That's just 5 worse than their neighbors the Midwest conference, who was just 23-31 (the conference's signature win being Ripon's win over Calvin? The next closest is St. Norbert over Oshkosh or North Park?).
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2015, 03:01:01 PM
Let's also remember... there is a chance St. Norbert would have been sent elsewhere if St. Thomas could have hosted. It isn't like they just pick up a pod and move it to another location. When they lose the chance to host where they want the game... it has an affect that can be felt in many pods.
I guess it's likely that Stevens Point was the beneficiary there? SNC has been sent to Point before (10-11, 09-10, the latter being more like this team than the former).
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2015, 02:50:17 PM
Per RMC 4pm game: They moved the game because they felt it made no sense for teams, especially the Catholic/Alvernia winner, to be sitting around hotel rooms and such all day Saturday for a night game that they will most likely stay at a hotel that night for as well. Allows teams to get home that night.
That doesn't make any sense. Washington DC (Catholic) to Ashland, VA is 2 1/2 hours away. Reading, PA (Alvernia) to Ashland is 3 1/2 hours away.
Back about 10 years ago, the Lawrence fans were complaining about driving 7 1/2 hours to Storm Lake, IA to play Buena Vista on Thursday, get back at the crack of dawn Friday and then play a 7 pm game on Saturday. (I think it was BV).
Why not play a 7 pm game at RMC so the other team doesn't have to get up so early. Who cares if you get home late!
Well, unless I'm completely missing something here.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2015, 02:50:17 PM
Per RMC 4pm game: They moved the game because they felt it made no sense for teams, especially the Catholic/Alvernia winner, to be sitting around hotel rooms and such all day Saturday for a night game that they will most likely stay at a hotel that night for as well. Allows teams to get home that night.
If that is the reasoning (and no weather issues), the earlier poster has a right to be pissed that they sold tickets for a 7pm game, THEN changed the time.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2015, 02:50:17 PM
Per RMC 4pm game: They moved the game because they felt it made no sense for teams, especially the Catholic/Alvernia winner, to be sitting around hotel rooms and such all day Saturday for a night game that they will most likely stay at a hotel that night for as well. Allows teams to get home that night.
That doesn't make any sense. Washington DC (Catholic) to Ashland, VA is 2 1/2 hours away. Reading, PA (Alvernia) to Ashland is 3 1/2 hours away.
Back about 10 years ago, the Lawrence fans were complaining about driving 7 1/2 hours to Storm Lake, IA to play Buena Vista on Thursday, get back at the crack of dawn Friday and then play a 7 pm game on Saturday. (I think it was BV).
Why not play a 7 pm game at RMC so the other team doesn't have to get up so early. Who cares if you get home late!
Well, unless I'm completely missing something here.
I highly suspect Catholic or Alvernia (especially Alvernia) may be arriving the day/night before so they can have a shoot around that day at RMC. They might be arriving on Friday to practice. This decision isn't made without the other school(s)' input. And every year is different.
Quote from: John Gleich on March 05, 2015, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2015, 03:01:01 PM
Let's also remember... there is a chance St. Norbert would have been sent elsewhere if St. Thomas could have hosted. It isn't like they just pick up a pod and move it to another location. When they lose the chance to host where they want the game... it has an affect that can be felt in many pods.
I guess it's likely that Stevens Point was the beneficiary there? SNC has been sent to Point before (10-11, 09-10, the latter being more like this team than the former).
The committee looked back at four years of match-ups in the NCAA tournament... there is a good chance they didn't want to have St. Norbert go to a place they had played at often.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2015, 02:50:17 PM
Per RMC 4pm game: They moved the game because they felt it made no sense for teams, especially the Catholic/Alvernia winner, to be sitting around hotel rooms and such all day Saturday for a night game that they will most likely stay at a hotel that night for as well. Allows teams to get home that night.
That doesn't make any sense. Washington DC (Catholic) to Ashland, VA is 2 1/2 hours away. Reading, PA (Alvernia) to Ashland is 3 1/2 hours away.
Back about 10 years ago, the Lawrence fans were complaining about driving 7 1/2 hours to Storm Lake, IA to play Buena Vista on Thursday, get back at the crack of dawn Friday and then play a 7 pm game on Saturday. (I think it was BV).
Why not play a 7 pm game at RMC so the other team doesn't have to get up so early. Who cares if you get home late!
Well, unless I'm completely missing something here.
Not quite Storm Lake. It was St. Peter, Minnesota... so 5 1/2 instead of 7 1/2.
They played Gustavus Adolphus on Thursday night and then came back to Stevens Point on Saturday. That was the infamous "Drunk Viking/General Admission" game where LU fans were out tailgating until 5 minutes before the game... and then wanted front row seats right under the basket on the LU end. Quandt was as full that night as it has been since the Dick Bennett/Terry Porter days when Eau Claire was still relevant and Point's biggest rival.
That was SP vs. LU #2... could have been SP vs GAC #3.
Quote from: John Gleich on March 05, 2015, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot after knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
I'm not sure how hot Concordia really is. Massey has them at 117, right behind Eau Claire and River Falls (who they lost to in game #3 by 16). They also lost to Dubuque in the first game of the year.
Really, John? It's tourney time and I claim they're hot because they've won 7 games in a row including 2 on the road against higher seeded teams. You counter by telling me they lost the 1st game of the season...27 games ago. I'm sure their confidence is high and they are obviously playing well.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 04:01:28 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on March 05, 2015, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot after knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
I'm not sure how hot Concordia really is. Massey has them at 117, right behind Eau Claire and River Falls (who they lost to in game #3 by 16). They also lost to Dubuque in the first game of the year.
Really, John? It's tourney time and I claim they're hot because they've won 7 games in a row including 2 on the road against higher seeded teams. You counter by telling me they lost the 1st game of the season...27 games ago. I'm sure their confidence is high and they are obviously playing well.
Six games, and those were all close games against medium-to-bad opponents.
Yeah. Like I said, I thought it was BV but it was still a trek. In the back of my mind I thought GAC, but didn't feel like looking. ;D
You guys are missing my point. I'm not saying they ran through CCIW/WIAC/UAA quality opponents. They played their conference schedule and won 2 tourney games on the road. Beating Aurora on the road was big since they hadn't beaten them yet. That can't hurt their confidence.
I'm sure it doesn't, Tom.
But the pertinent question concerns the Falcons' competence, not their confidence.
Concordia isn't as good as Marian was last year. I don't think that game will be particularly close.
And Point isn't as good as last year either. ;D
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2015, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Curious what people think is the best 1st game is.
I think St. Norbert has a lot to prove and this is their chance. A home game vs a good team from a power conference.
VWU and John Carroll could be another good game.
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot afyafter knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
Your first two are pretty good candidates. I'd add WPI @ SJF, OWU v. Olaf @ UWW, Albertus v. Springfield @ Dickinson, and DePauw @ WashU. Seems like far more quality first-round games than usual this year.
I would not be surprised to see Washington win that game by 25.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
And Point isn't as good as last year either. ;D
I dunno.... they both had the same conference record!
This Concordia team isn't senior laden. They've got a lot of juniors (7) and the leading scorer is a sophomore, followed by 4 juniors, so they might be a team to watch next year. I guess they did beat Aurora, who had 7 seniors, but Benedictine seems like they're a year away too (7 juniors, though leading scorer is one of the two seniors, and the other started half the games this year).
If you think about the NACC teams that have caused some troubles or been highly regarded (at least high enough to host, like Concordia in '11-'12, or who have either won a game like Edgewood @ UWRF also in '11-'12, or came darn close, like Marian last year), they've all been senior laden teams with very good records (Concordia was 21-5, Edgewood was 22-6, Marian was 21-6). When Concordia loses, it will be loss #10. It's a good season... but it doesn't show the trajectory like those other teams (who went a combined 1-3 in the tournament anyway).
But maybe I'm wrong and they'll beat Point. More likely if Lutz can't go. And even then I'll end up eating my shoe, drenched in crow sauce.
For anyone interested, I simulated the tournament using Massey ratings. You can see the full results in the attached PDF file (won't let me upload so here is a link to it)
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxkM2Jhc2tldGJhbGxpbmRleHxneDoxZjUwMWM4YTE1Yzg5ZWM5
The way to read the spreadsheet is value is the probability of the team reaching a certain round (last column is probability of winning it all).
Top Chances of Winning Tourney
St. Thomas 17.3%
UW-Whitewater 14.9%
UW-Stevens Point 8.8%
Randolph-Macon 8.7%
Babson 8.6%
Augustana 8.6%
From this simulation, I can compare it to a "properly seeded" (according to Massey) tournament to rank the "Easiest" and "Hardest" roads to the Final Four. Here they are below:
Easiest
Richard Stockton
Trinity (CT)
Endicott
Eastern CT
Salisbury
Dickinson
Johns Hopkins
Hardest
Elmhurst
Ohio Wesleyan
Wash U
IWU
St. Olaf
St. Norbert
CMS
Quote from: John Gleich on March 05, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
And Point isn't as good as last year either. ;D
I dunno.... they both had the same conference record!
You know as well as I do the conference was also down this year.
Quote from: David Collinge on March 05, 2015, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2015, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Curious what people think is the best 1st game is.
I think St. Norbert has a lot to prove and this is their chance. A home game vs a good team from a power conference.
VWU and John Carroll could be another good game.
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot afyafter knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
Your first two are pretty good candidates. I'd add WPI @ SJF, OWU v. Olaf @ UWW, Albertus v. Springfield @ Dickinson, and DePauw @ WashU. Seems like far more quality first-round games than usual this year.
I would not be surprised to see Washington win that game by 25.
Then again, I guess DPU is on a roll. They lead WUSTL 40-35 at the half.
Quote from: David Collinge on March 05, 2015, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 05, 2015, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2015, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Curious what people think is the best 1st game is.
I think St. Norbert has a lot to prove and this is their chance. A home game vs a good team from a power conference.
VWU and John Carroll could be another good game.
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot afyafter knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
Your first two are pretty good candidates. I'd add WPI @ SJF, OWU v. Olaf @ UWW, Albertus v. Springfield @ Dickinson, and DePauw @ WashU. Seems like far more quality first-round games than usual this year.
I would not be surprised to see Washington win that game by 25.
Then again, I guess DPU is on a roll. They lead WUSTL 40-35 at the half.
David, David, David. If I say it will be a good game, there is
at least a 40% chance it will indeed be a good game! ::)
(Sorry about the opening. My older son is David, so I got used to saying ....)
Quote from: David Collinge on March 05, 2015, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2015, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Curious what people think is the best 1st game is.
I think St. Norbert has a lot to prove and this is their chance. A home game vs a good team from a power conference.
VWU and John Carroll could be another good game.
Concordia at Stevens Point could be good. Concordia is hot afyafter knocking off the #1 and #2 NACC seeds on the road. Point still rememberS their struggles in the tourney last year and they just dropped one at home to middle-of-the pack Oshkosh.
Your first two are pretty good candidates. I'd add WPI @ SJF, OWU v. Olaf @ UWW, Albertus v. Springfield @ Dickinson, and DePauw @ WashU. Seems like far more quality first-round games than usual this year.
I would not be surprised to see Washington win that game by 25.
So, is it fair to say you're surprised - or is that a logical fallacy?
Or lose. Not looking good. 79-73 DePauw with 15 seconds left.
DePauw 83
Washington (MO) 73
Fun game to watch until the free-throw parade at the end. DePauw center Tommy Fernitz was huge down the stretch.
DePauw, who was pretty thoroughly mediocre all season (9-9 in the NCAC), has now beaten three ranked teams in a row, all on the road (one neutral but overwhelmingly pro-Wooster site). #6 Augustana is next, in Rock Island. Wow.
First big upset only 2 games in. Massey had Washington U., winning 64% to 36% but only 72-68.
Pat,
I enjoyed reading your tourney preview...except that part where you keep talking about the Pointers. :'(
If they get past Concordia tonight, I'm not confident of beating IWU, even at home. Sweet 16? We couldn't beat Emory at home, so we aren't going to do it on a neutral floor. And we were better last year. Final 4 on the line in St. PAul vs St. Thomas? They always seem to beat us in the tourney. I appreciate your optimism though, this coming from a self-proclaimed Pointer pessimist!
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 06, 2015, 11:58:02 AM
Pat,
I enjoyed reading your tourney preview...except that part where you keep talking about the Pointers. :'(
If they get past Concordia tonight, I'm not confident of beating IWU, even at home. Sweet 16? We couldn't beat Emory at home, so we aren't going to do it on a neutral floor. And we were better last year. Final 4 on the line in St. PAul vs St. Thomas? They always seem to beat us in the tourney. I appreciate your optimism though, this coming from a self-proclaimed Pointer pessimist!
The issue with the Emory game last year was the same as the St. Olaf and Oshkosh (#3) games this year. If you let a team stay in the game, you give them the opportunity to make a "miracle" type play (or two, as the case was against Emory). Point didn't put anybody away in the tournament last year and squeaked by in the first two rounds before finally succumbing to Emory.
Northwestern 71
St. Thomas 70
Porter Morrell hit a lunging trey at the buzzer to pull off the upset. Northwestern's first-ever tourney win, and, if I'm not mistaken, the UMAC's first-ever tourney win as well.
That was a fun finish to watch!
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2015, 08:04:29 PM
Northwestern 71
St. Thomas 70
Porter Morrell hit a lunging trey at the buzzer to pull off the upset. Northwestern's first-ever tourney win, and, if I'm not mistaken, the UMAC's first-ever tourney win as well.
That was a fun finish to watch!
That just devastated a huge portion of my "pick'ems" bracket!
And St. Olaf is close to beating Ohio Wesleyan.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2015, 08:08:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2015, 08:04:29 PM
Northwestern 71
St. Thomas 70
Porter Morrell hit a lunging trey at the buzzer to pull off the upset. Northwestern's first-ever tourney win, and, if I'm not mistaken, the UMAC's first-ever tourney win as well.
That was a fun finish to watch!
That just devastated a huge portion of my "pick'ems" bracket!
Yours and a lot of other people's, Ralph.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2015, 08:08:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2015, 08:04:29 PM
Northwestern 71
St. Thomas 70
Porter Morrell hit a lunging trey at the buzzer to pull off the upset. Northwestern's first-ever tourney win, and, if I'm not mistaken, the UMAC's first-ever tourney win as well.
That was a fun finish to watch!
That just devastated a huge portion of my "pick'ems" bracket!
My bracket is ruined too... I had them winning it all. :o
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2015, 08:18:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2015, 08:08:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2015, 08:04:29 PM
Northwestern 71
St. Thomas 70
Porter Morrell hit a lunging trey at the buzzer to pull off the upset. Northwestern's first-ever tourney win, and, if I'm not mistaken, the UMAC's first-ever tourney win as well.
That was a fun finish to watch!
That just devastated a huge portion of my "pick'ems" bracket!
Yours and a lot of other people's, Ralph.
I'm not sure even AO would've had the guts to pick Northwestern!
Ralph and Griz, count your blessings. You think you have it bad? Imagine how MIACMIAC feels right now. This is what he posted on the MIAC board the day before yesterday:
Quote from: MIACMIAC on March 04, 2015, 10:13:33 PM
Illogical to travel to DePere to play that game, yes. Also, just completely pointless to have Northwestern in the field. UMAC team in the tourney, really? Can't say I like the Tommies, but I can't wait to see them blowout Northwestern by 30+ and show that no UMAC team deserves to be in the tourney.
Stockton leading by 20+ with 5 mins left in first half. Blamon and Cane already contributing 30 plus fantasy points!! ;D
Quote from: TheOsprey on March 06, 2015, 08:38:08 PM
Stockton leading by 20+ with 5 mins left in first half. Blamon and Cane already contributing 30 plus fantasy points!!
This is one ugly game.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 06, 2015, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: TheOsprey on March 06, 2015, 08:38:08 PM
Stockton leading by 20+ with 5 mins left in first half. Blamon and Cane already contributing 30 plus fantasy points!!
This is one ugly game.
Hoops-- your like a good luck charm in Pomona!! ;)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
Ralph and Griz, count your blessings. You think you have it bad? Imagine how MIACMIAC feels right now. This is what he posted on the MIAC board the day before yesterday:
Quote from: MIACMIAC on March 04, 2015, 10:13:33 PM
Illogical to travel to DePere to play that game, yes. Also, just completely pointless to have Northwestern in the field. UMAC team in the tourney, really? Can't say I like the Tommies, but I can't wait to see them blowout Northwestern by 30+ and show that no UMAC team deserves to be in the tourney.
Insert foot
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2015, 08:04:29 PM
Northwestern 71
St. Thomas 70
Porter Morrell hit a lunging trey at the buzzer to pull off the upset. Northwestern's first-ever tourney win, and, if I'm not mistaken, the UMAC's first-ever tourney win as well.
That was a fun finish to watch!
Hoping someone will post a link to the shot, maybe on buzzerbeaters, Pat?
Point up 48-25 over Concordia. Only shooting 79.2%
Midway through the 2nd and Defiance leads UWW 54-51... could both my finalists lose in the first round? Go Yellow Jackets... represent the HCAC ;D
With just over 5 to go, UWW's opponent is showing great DEFIANCE! Defiance 66, UWW 55. :o
Two words: Travis Shoemaker!
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 06, 2015, 10:08:04 PM
With just over 5 to go, UWW's opponent is showing great DEFIANCE! Defiance 66, UWW 55. :o
No repeat for UWW!! :o
SNC 66, Elmhurst 64. EC ball 9.2 to go.
http://23.82.149.11:1935/flash2/_definst_/sncvideohd/playlist.m3u8?
Elmhurst fumbles on the drive but EC big man picks it up off the floor and lays it in. 66-66, three seconds. SNC ball.
Last shot off the mark. OT.
Elmhurst/SNC going to OT.
Congrats to Defiance for their win today!
SNC up 5, but EC hits a 3. 76-74, SNC with the ball. 34 seconds.
EC will get a shot to tie down 81-78 with 6.6 to go.
They hit it! Double OT in DePere! The most exciting first round site has to be this one.
#2 Whitewater loses... #3 St Thomas loses... #5 St Norbert now in double OT... it's definitely March Madness
SNC-Elmhurst link: http://23.82.149.11:1935/flash2/_definst_/sncvideohd/playlist.m3u8?
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 06, 2015, 10:42:25 PM
#2 Whitewater loses... #3 St Thomas loses... #5 St Norbert now in double OT... it's definitely March Madness
:o ??? :o
EC cut it to two at 92-90, but then SNC threw it away. EC ball 30 seconds left.
Tied again at 92. SNC ball 4.2 seconds must go full court.
SNC drives coast to coast makes they layup.... After the buzzer. TRIPLE OT!
Quick 6 point lead for Elmhurst in OT3. 98-92.
Elmhurst by 8. 104-96 with 1:15 to go.
EC can close it out with FTs.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 06, 2015, 08:44:23 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2015, 08:04:29 PM
Northwestern 71
St. Thomas 70
Porter Morrell hit a lunging trey at the buzzer to pull off the upset. Northwestern's first-ever tourney win, and, if I'm not mistaken, the UMAC's first-ever tourney win as well.
That was a fun finish to watch!
Hoping someone will post a link to the shot, maybe on buzzerbeaters, Pat?
Here you go: http://t.co/o5BZMJBopI (http://t.co/o5BZMJBopI)
And: https://t.co/ii3XkiWuGS (https://t.co/ii3XkiWuGS)
Elmhurst closes out SNC 110-98 in triple OT. Whew.
Elmhurst dominated the third OT, wins 110-98.
Unless Northwestern can pull back-to-back miracles, they should be good for the Sweet Sixteen.
No one "should" be in any further round... didn't tonight teach you anything? LOL ;D
Six of the Top 25 lose... three of the Top 6 lose with two of them having byes. Nuts... nuts.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 06, 2015, 11:13:18 PM
Elmhurst dominated the third OT, wins 110-98.
Unless Northwestern can pull back-to-back miracles, they should be good for the Sweet Sixteen.
Triple overtime for Elmhurst in the late game...may not take a miracle. The Blue Jays are going to be tired.
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
Elmhurst closes out SNC 110-98 in triple OT. Whew.
Whew is right.
Thanks for the updates Just Bill...
(But I thought as I was following your posts that I was dreaming of wonderful days and tournaments long gone by; your referring to Elmhurst as "EC" takes this Blugold back to the days when there was actually a WSUC school with the same initials that did have a pretty good men's basketball team... What ever happened to them? ;) )
Quote from: WUH on March 06, 2015, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 06, 2015, 11:13:18 PM
Elmhurst dominated the third OT, wins 110-98.
Unless Northwestern can pull back-to-back miracles, they should be good for the Sweet Sixteen.
Triple overtime for Elmhurst in the late game...may not take a miracle. The Blue Jays are going to be tired.
Did you end up catching a game up in Cheesehead land?
Quote from: WUH on March 06, 2015, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 06, 2015, 11:13:18 PM
Elmhurst dominated the third OT, wins 110-98.
Unless Northwestern can pull back-to-back miracles, they should be good for the Sweet Sixteen.
Triple overtime for Elmhurst in the late game...may not take a miracle. The Blue Jays are going to be tired.
Good point. At least they get their fouled-out players back - if there had been a fourth OT, both teams were about down to playing the cheerleaders!
Quote from: John Gleich on March 06, 2015, 11:24:02 PM
Did you end up catching a game up in Cheesehead land?
Unfortunately, our trip to the Northwoods was pushed back one week...
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 06, 2015, 11:24:58 PM
Good point. At least they get their fouled-out players back - if there had been a fourth OT, both teams were about down to playing the cheerleaders!
Very true.
Quote from: WUH on March 06, 2015, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on March 06, 2015, 11:24:02 PM
Did you end up catching a game up in Cheesehead land?
Unfortunately, our trip to the Northwoods was pushed back one week...
Well, if things shake out the right way, especially with St. Norbert and St. Thomas losing, UWSP may just be hosting next weekend as well. Gotta get by the Green Weenies first though...
I just got back from Stockton. Quite a night all around. Losses everywhere. Great games.
I went through my list tonight - we've got congratulations in store for six schools who won their first NCAA Division III Tournament games tonight:
Defiance
St. Olaf
Skidmore
Bates
Northwestern
East Texas Baptist
Great work all.
It's one of those years...
Updated odds after round 1 yesterday:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxkM2Jhc2tldGJhbGxpbmRleHxneDoyZjE0NzYwY2VkYjVjZjg5
Big increases for some teams as the top 2 most probable to win it all go down (St. Thomas & UWW).
The most likely to win remaining:
Augustana 12.7%
Randolph-Macon 12.1%
Babson 11.4 %
UW-Stevens Point 9.6%
St. Olaf 7.4%
Marietta 6.2%
Mount Union 4.4%
So, if the trend continues today, look for a few of these to lose tonight. Should be another great night of games!
Luckily I missed the pick em with my wrist this year my brackets would be completely obliterated.
Quote from: bulk19 on March 06, 2015, 11:22:58 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
Elmhurst closes out SNC 110-98 in triple OT. Whew.
Whew is right.
Thanks for the updates Just Bill...
(But I thought as I was following your posts that I was dreaming of wonderful days and tournaments long gone by; your referring to Elmhurst as "EC" takes this Blugold back to the days when there was actually a WSUC school with the same initials that did have a pretty good men's basketball team... What ever happened to them? ;) )
That's funny. I kept thinking of Edgewood College.
Quote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 06, 2015, 11:22:58 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
Elmhurst closes out SNC 110-98 in triple OT. Whew.
Whew is right.
Thanks for the updates Just Bill...
(But I thought as I was following your posts that I was dreaming of wonderful days and tournaments long gone by; your referring to Elmhurst as "EC" takes this Blugold back to the days when there was actually a WSUC school with the same initials that did have a pretty good men's basketball team... What ever happened to them? ;) )
That's funny. I kept thinking of Edgewood College.
Eureka for me. (No, not really, but I just wanted to through that in there. I also occasionally think of Eau Claire.)
Quote from: bulk19 on March 06, 2015, 11:22:58 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
Elmhurst closes out SNC 110-98 in triple OT. Whew.
Whew is right.
Thanks for the updates Just Bill...
(But I thought as I was following your posts that I was dreaming of wonderful days and tournaments long gone by; your referring to Elmhurst as "EC" takes this Blugold back to the days when there was actually a WSUC school with the same initials that did have a pretty good men's basketball team... What ever happened to them? ;) )
Ken Anderson retired.
Quote from: WUH on March 06, 2015, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 06, 2015, 11:13:18 PM
Elmhurst dominated the third OT, wins 110-98.
Unless Northwestern can pull back-to-back miracles, they should be good for the Sweet Sixteen.
Triple overtime for Elmhurst in the late game...may not take a miracle. The Blue Jays are going to be tired.
Both physically and emotionally. Triple OT takes an incredible toll
But, how much does Northwestern have left in its tank?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 06, 2015, 11:22:58 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
Elmhurst closes out SNC 110-98 in triple OT. Whew.
Whew is right.
Thanks for the updates Just Bill...
(But I thought as I was following your posts that I was dreaming of wonderful days and tournaments long gone by; your referring to Elmhurst as "EC" takes this Blugold back to the days when there was actually a WSUC school with the same initials that did have a pretty good men's basketball team... What ever happened to them? ;) )
That's funny. I kept thinking of Edgewood College.
Eureka for me. (No, not really, but I just wanted to through that in there. I also occasionally think of Eau Claire.)
Endicott.
Randolph-Macon is the first team into the Sweet 16 as they defeat Catholic 78-65.
Two Wisconsin venues; no Wisconsin participants. Who will win the great (non)attendance battle - Defiance v St. Olaf @ Whitewater or Elmhurst v Northwestern @ SNC??
Worthy successors to the two Wisconsin teams in Oregon a decade ago (though I doubt either can come close to that 'game no one saw' :P). But I WILL bet that there will be over three times as many fans @UWSP tonight as at both the other venues combined!
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 04:22:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 06, 2015, 11:22:58 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
Elmhurst closes out SNC 110-98 in triple OT. Whew.
Whew is right.
Thanks for the updates Just Bill...
(But I thought as I was following your posts that I was dreaming of wonderful days and tournaments long gone by; your referring to Elmhurst as "EC" takes this Blugold back to the days when there was actually a WSUC school with the same initials that did have a pretty good men's basketball team... What ever happened to them? ;) )
That's funny. I kept thinking of Edgewood College.
Eureka for me. (No, not really, but I just wanted to through that in there. I also occasionally think of Eau Claire.)
Endicott.
Earlham. They did not receive a bid this season.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2015, 06:19:43 PM
Two Wisconsin venues; no Wisconsin participants. Who will win the great (non)attendance battle - Defiance v St. Olaf @ Whitewater or Elmhurst v Northwestern @ SNC??
Worthy successors to the two Wisconsin teams in Oregon Tacoma, Washington a decade ago (though I doubt either can come close to that 'game no one saw' :P). But I WILL bet that there will be over three times as many fans @UWSP tonight as at both the other venues combined!
Those are at least driving distances, Washington isn't. ;D
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2015, 06:19:43 PM
Two Wisconsin venues; no Wisconsin participants. Who will win the great (non)attendance battle - Defiance v St. Olaf @ Whitewater or Elmhurst v Northwestern @ SNC??
Worthy successors to the two Wisconsin teams in Oregon Washington a decade ago (though I doubt either can come close to that 'game no one saw' :P). But I WILL bet that there will be over three times as many fans @UWSP tonight as at both the other venues combined!
Northfield to WW is about 4.5 hrs. Defiance is about 5. Not impossible for there to be people who come just for one game... Though not that likely. But that was STO's first NCAA win... Might get people excited
NW to SNC is 4.5 hrs, Elmhurst is 3. Also Northwestern's first NCAA win... I think it's more likely that they may scoot over. And Elmhurst isn't that far.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 04:22:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 06, 2015, 11:22:58 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
Elmhurst closes out SNC 110-98 in triple OT. Whew.
Whew is right.
Thanks for the updates Just Bill...
(But I thought as I was following your posts that I was dreaming of wonderful days and tournaments long gone by; your referring to Elmhurst as "EC" takes this Blugold back to the days when there was actually a WSUC school with the same initials that did have a pretty good men's basketball team... What ever happened to them? ;) )
That's funny. I kept thinking of Edgewood College.
Eureka for me. (No, not really, but I just wanted to through that in there. I also occasionally think of Eau Claire.)
Endicott.
Elmhurst for me, but I can understand someone else going with Edgewood, or Eureka, or Endicott, or Elmira, or Earlham, or whatever.
As for the Blugolds, they're UWEC to me. I always think of the WIAC schools in terms of "UW
XY" or "UW-whatever" or "Wisconsin-whatever".
Quote from: David Collinge on March 07, 2015, 06:21:26 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 04:22:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 06, 2015, 11:22:58 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
Elmhurst closes out SNC 110-98 in triple OT. Whew.
Whew is right.
Thanks for the updates Just Bill...
(But I thought as I was following your posts that I was dreaming of wonderful days and tournaments long gone by; your referring to Elmhurst as "EC" takes this Blugold back to the days when there was actually a WSUC school with the same initials that did have a pretty good men's basketball team... What ever happened to them? ;) )
That's funny. I kept thinking of Edgewood College.
Eureka for me. (No, not really, but I just wanted to through that in there. I also occasionally think of Eau Claire.)
Endicott.
Earlham. They did not receive a bid this season.
Oh, yes, you know it's true!
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 07, 2015, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2015, 06:19:43 PM
Two Wisconsin venues; no Wisconsin participants. Who will win the great (non)attendance battle - Defiance v St. Olaf @ Whitewater or Elmhurst v Northwestern @ SNC??
Worthy successors to the two Wisconsin teams in Oregon Tacoma, Washington a decade ago (though I doubt either can come close to that 'game no one saw' :P). But I WILL bet that there will be over three times as many fans @UWSP tonight as at both the other venues combined!
Those are at least driving distances, Washington isn't. ;D
Oh, right, Tacoma. 2004 was the era of UPS, before Whitworth took over. I should have remembered that since we had to beat UPS at Lawrence in 2006. (And even if I forgot, Whitworth is ALSO Washington! :-[)
Despite the driving distances and first-time excitement for teams in Whitewater and De Pere, I'm holding to IWU @ UWSP having several times the fans as the other two combined.
East Texas Baptist is the second team into the Sweet Sixteen, with a come-from-behind win over feisty upstart CMS.
Regarding the EC jokes, has Earlham EVER made the postseason?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2015, 07:28:44 PM
East Texas Baptist is the second team into the Sweet Sixteen, with a come-from-behind win over feisty upstart CMS.
Regarding the EC jokes, has Earlham EVER made the postseason?
They've never made the NCAA playoffs, but in the late 60s-early 70s they made the NAIA playoffs almost every year with a best of 25-3 in 67-68.
Since they joined the HCAC in 2010-11 they haven't even made the conference tournament (which takes 6 out of 10). They've finished 10th, 10th, 9th, T9th, 10th in their 5 years. Last winning season appears to be 2002-03 when they went 13-12. Just three winning seasons since 76-77 and an all-time record of 911-2247
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2015, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 07, 2015, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2015, 06:19:43 PM
Two Wisconsin venues; no Wisconsin participants. Who will win the great (non)attendance battle - Defiance v St. Olaf @ Whitewater or Elmhurst v Northwestern @ SNC??
Worthy successors to the two Wisconsin teams in Oregon Tacoma, Washington a decade ago (though I doubt either can come close to that 'game no one saw' :P). But I WILL bet that there will be over three times as many fans @UWSP tonight as at both the other venues combined!
Those are at least driving distances, Washington isn't. ;D
Oh, right, Tacoma. 2004 was the era of UPS, before Whitworth took over. I should have remembered that since we had to beat UPS at Lawrence in 2006. (And even if I forgot, Whitworth is ALSO Washington! :-[)
Despite the driving distances and first-time excitement for teams in Whitewater and De Pere, I'm holding to IWU @ UWSP having several times the fans as the other two combined.
Smaller crowd than usual at Quandt with Pointer hockey hosting the WIAC championship and the #1 ranked high school boys basketball is playing Sectionals.
QuoteOh, yes, you know it's true!
That will never not be funny! The original TGHJIGSTO!
Speaking of which, TGHJIGSTO! is now in overtime with Bates.
>:( Not cool, but still dancing. ???
Emory tops Whitworth on 2 fts with 5 secs left. Whitworth missed a 3 at the end.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 07, 2015, 08:55:37 PM
Emory tops Whitworth on 2 fts with 5 secs left. Whitworth missed a 3 at the end.
Emory baby!
Emory trailed for most of the second half, but finally managed to catch the Pirates with three minutes left.
Stockton's out >:(!! Oh, fudge >:(
Think they had more TO than points in ot!! >:(
This has been a fun tournament! Several teams are advancing to new heights!
Dickinson beats Albertus Magnus with a last second basket 74-72. After Big Vic hits a basket to tie the game for Albertus with 11 seconds to go, the Red Devils come down and take a 3 pointer with 5 seconds left that is partially blocked by Sledge. It ends up in Ted Hinnenkamps hands right near the basket and he lays it in at the buzzer. Tough way to go down for the Falcons as it looked like it was headed to overtime when Sledge got his hand on the 3 point attempt.
Quote from: magicman on March 07, 2015, 09:13:48 PM
Dickinson beats Albertus Magnus with a last second basket 74-72. After Big Vic hits a basket to tie the game for Albertus with 11 seconds to go, the Red Devils come down and take a 3 pointer with 5 seconds left that is partially blocked by Sledge. It ends up in Ted Hinnenkamps hands right near the basket and he lays it in at the buzzer. Tough way to go down for the Falcons as it looked like it was headed to overtime when Sledge got his hand on the 3 point attempt.
Thanks. I misread the Dickinson LiveStats!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2015, 09:15:06 PM
Quote from: magicman on March 07, 2015, 09:13:48 PM
Dickinson beats Albertus Magnus with a last second basket 74-72. After Big Vic hits a basket to tie the game for Albertus with 11 seconds to go, the Red Devils come down and take a 3 pointer with 5 seconds left that is partially blocked by Sledge. It ends up in Ted Hinnenkamps hands right near the basket and he lays it in at the buzzer. Tough way to go down for the Falcons as it looked like it was headed to overtime when Sledge got his hand on the 3 point attempt.
Thanks. I misread the Dickinson LiveStats!
It was really a tough spot. The Albertus guy lost the ball and didn't seem to know there was still one Dickinson player behind him. Easy lay in at the buzzer. Nuts.
If DePauw pulls this off it saves the NCAA a flight.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 09:35:57 PM
If DePauw pulls this off it saves the NCAA a flight.
Well, by golly, then we better all root for old DePauw! Goooooooo Tigers!
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 09:35:57 PM
If DePauw pulls this off it saves the NCAA a flight.
Not to be. Augie pulls it out. Marietta and Mt Union flying to Augie.
Augustana defeats Depauw 68-66. Depauw has the ball and a chance to win with the score tied at 66 and 14 seconds left. They turn it over with 7 seconds left without getting a shot off and foul Jawan Slaughter with 5 seconds remaining. He makes both free throws and Depauw goes the length of the court but their shot sticks in the crotch of the basket and backboard to end the game.
Great games all around.... Fun tournament, let's keep it going over the next few weeks.
So, we're going to have Macon, Point, Babson, and Augustana all hosting (likely). They'll have to fly Emory and E Texas Baptist to Point and they'll have to fly Marietta and Mt. Union to Augustana. Should be fun.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
So, we're going to have Macon, Point, Babson, and Augustana all hosting (likely). They'll have to fly Emory and E Texas Baptist to Point and they'll have to fly Marietta and Mt. Union to Augustana. Should be fun.
Ironically enough, there are still teams in each bracket who can drive to Salem. If you're the NCAA, you're rooting for anybody but St. John Fisher in one bracket, Emory, Hopkins, or either of the Ohio schools.
Two flights from or to Ohio whether Marietta or Augie hosts. Since Augie got a bye, I assume they probably were seeded higher than Marietta, but do we know that for sure?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2015, 09:59:51 PM
Two flights from or to Ohio whether Marietta or Augie hosts. Since Augie got a bye, I assume they probably were seeded higher than Marietta, but do we know that for sure?
Actually pretty sure that Mount Union ended up the GL#1 in the final rankings and would've been in line to host over Marietta if DePauw had won.
Regardless, Augustana clearly the "higher" #1 and I'd be extremely surprised if next week's sectional isn't in Rock Island.
Cinderella game is ETBU versus Northwestern MN.
BIG contrast in styles of play!
ETBU speed will be interesting to see against the standard midwestern style of NW's game.
Considering not only their (and their conference's) history but WHO they beat, can anyone think of a more unlikely Sweet Sixteen team than Northwestern? (Oh, and they owe SNC a 'thank you' card for totally draining Elmhurst! ;D)
Some interesting looks:
The Atlantic Region is completely out of the tournament now. East is represented by 1 team, NE by 3, MA by 2, GL by 2, South by 4, Central by 2, and West by 2.
The NESCAC, ODAC, Centennial, and OAC all have two teams remaining. Five other teams come from consistent multi-bid conferences (power of near power conferences): Augustana (CCIW), St. Olaf (MIAC), Babson (NEWMAC), Point (WIAC), and Emory (UAA).
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
Considering not only their (and their conference's) history but WHO they beat, can anyone think of a more unlikely Sweet Sixteen team than Northwestern? (Oh, and they owe SNC a 'thank you' card for totally draining Elmhurst! ;D)
The ETBU-Northwestern game looks like no better than a #14 vs #16 (or #16 vs #14) but I am not sure whom I would rank #15 of the Sweet 16. ???
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2015, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
Considering not only their (and their conference's) history but WHO they beat, can anyone think of a more unlikely Sweet Sixteen team than Northwestern? (Oh, and they owe SNC a 'thank you' card for totally draining Elmhurst! ;D)
The ETBU-Northwestern game looks like no better than a #14 vs #16 (or #16 vs #14) but I am not sure whom I would rank #15 of the Sweet 16. ???
Conceivably Bates, but I think they are probably #15 v #16! Congratulations to ETBU, but beating Hendrix and CMS is not exactly beating St. Thomas and Elmhurst. I think it is likely ETBU will make the Elite Eight, but then be decimated by UWSP or Emory. But his year, who knows?!
Quote from: magicman on March 07, 2015, 09:13:48 PM
Dickinson beats Albertus Magnus with a last second basket 74-72. After Big Vic hits a basket to tie the game for Albertus with 11 seconds to go, the Red Devils come down and take a 3 pointer with 5 seconds left that is partially blocked by Sledge. It ends up in Ted Hinnenkamps hands right near the basket and he lays it in at the buzzer. Tough way to go down for the Falcons as it looked like it was headed to overtime when Sledge got his hand on the 3 point attempt.
Honestly, that wasn't a partial block... that was a 5-9 guy in Sledge who fully blocked that shot ... it didn't go but a foot out of the shooter's hand before it was heading straight up because of the physics put on the ball by the block. That block was impressive... but then Cox snuck a hand in as Sledge came down with the ball and popped it loose right into the waiting hands of Hinnenkamp who told me glanced at the clock and then turned and laid it in. Unbelievable finish!
Here is the interview afterward with Hinnenkamp: http://youtu.be/f-kH57b3vcc (http://youtu.be/f-kH57b3vcc)
Here is the final sequence of plays: http://youtu.be/EFEaRIoBRF0 (http://youtu.be/EFEaRIoBRF0)
Quote from: magicman on March 07, 2015, 09:50:38 PM
Augustana defeats Depauw 68-66. Depauw has the ball and a chance to win with the score tied at 66 and 14 seconds left. They turn it over with 7 seconds left without getting a shot off and foul Jawan Slaughter with 5 seconds remaining. He makes both free throws and Depauw goes the length of the court but their shot sticks in the crotch of the basket and backboard to end the game.
That... is simply unbelievable. Watched it live and couldn't take it!
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
So, we're going to have Macon, Point, Babson, and Augustana all hosting (likely). They'll have to fly [...] Mt. Union to Augustana. Should be fun.
A few years ago, Wooster was sent (by bus) to Augustana for a first-round game. Ergo Mount must be very, very close to the 500 mile threshold.
Quote from: David Collinge on March 08, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
So, we're going to have Macon, Point, Babson, and Augustana all hosting (likely). They'll have to fly [...] Mt. Union to Augustana. Should be fun.
A few years ago, Wooster was sent (by bus) to Augustana for a first-round game. Ergo Mount must be very, very close to the 500 mile threshold.
The NCAA calculator says Mount is 551 miles to Augustana... but it also says Wooster is 501.
So just for fun, would someone smarter than me like to rank the last 16?
Maybe grouping of 4.
Stevens Point - 2
St. Olaf - 3
Randolph Macon -5
Babson -6
Augustana - 7
Marietta -8
Mount Union - 9
Virginia Wesleyan - 10
Emory - 11
John's Hopkins - 14
ETBU - 15
Dickinson - 20
St. John Fisher - 32
Bates - 30
Trinity - 41
Northwestern - 98
These are Massey ratings. Interesting that all the UMAC schools are listed as independent. Whats up with that?
I think the top 4 is closer to:
Augustana
RMC
Stevens Point
Emory
Bottom 4
Trinity
ETBU
Bates
Northwestern
Quote from: David Collinge on March 08, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
So, we're going to have Macon, Point, Babson, and Augustana all hosting (likely). They'll have to fly [...] Mt. Union to Augustana. Should be fun.
A few years ago, Wooster was sent (by bus) to Augustana for a first-round game. Ergo Mount must be very, very close to the 500 mile threshold.
Well Mount Union in WBB decided to take a bus to the final four several years ago and Dickinson MBB last year went by bus to Wheaton... that isn't the determining factor and usually that is up to the school. The NCAA's mileage rule just dictates whether they have to change things to keep the costs down. If it is on paper as a flight... it is considered a flight... because they won't know if a bus will be used until after they make a decision on hosting.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 08, 2015, 11:19:24 AM
So just for fun, would someone smarter than me like to rank the last 16?
Maybe grouping of 4.
Stevens Point - 2
St. Olaf - 3
Randolph Macon -5
Babson -6
Augustana - 7
Marietta -8
Mount Union - 9
Virginia Wesleyan - 10
Emory - 11
John's Hopkins - 14
ETBU - 15
Dickinson - 20
Richard Stockton -29
Bates - 30
Trinity - 41
Northwestern - 98
These are Massey ratings. Interesting that all the UMAC schools are listed as independent. Whats up with that?
I think the top 4 is closer to:
Augustana
VWU
Stevens Point
Emory
Bottom 4
Trinity
ETBU
Bates
Northwestern
TGHIJGSTO!!! A second life!
Actually, you want Fisher here.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 12:07:23 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 08, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
So, we're going to have Macon, Point, Babson, and Augustana all hosting (likely). They'll have to fly [...] Mt. Union to Augustana. Should be fun.
A few years ago, Wooster was sent (by bus) to Augustana for a first-round game. Ergo Mount must be very, very close to the 500 mile threshold.
Well Mount Union in WBB decided to take a bus to the final four several years ago and Dickinson MBB last year went by bus to Wheaton... that isn't the determining factor and usually that is up to the school. The NCAA's mileage rule just dictates whether they have to change things to keep the costs down. If it is on paper as a flight... it is considered a flight... because they won't know if a bus will be used until after they make a decision on hosting.
It seems a little out of character for the NCAA to take the chance that a team will fly for a first-round game when it is not absolutely necessary. With the thick population of tournament-worthy teams in the midwest, another destination for Wooster could have been found that removes the possibility of flying from the analysis. I think it is more likely that the mileage program has been adjusted since then and read <500 at the time of that Woo/Augie matchup.
I think it is pretty likely that Mount will bus to Rock Island this weekend, regardless of the mileage. It's a pretty easy drive, and would be a difficult flight without a charter plane.
Greek Tragedy, interesting that you put VWC in your top four ahead of RMC. Is that because if they meet again RMC would have to beat them four times in one year to advance??
Quote from: David Collinge on March 08, 2015, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 12:07:23 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 08, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
So, we're going to have Macon, Point, Babson, and Augustana all hosting (likely). They'll have to fly [...] Mt. Union to Augustana. Should be fun.
A few years ago, Wooster was sent (by bus) to Augustana for a first-round game. Ergo Mount must be very, very close to the 500 mile threshold.
Well Mount Union in WBB decided to take a bus to the final four several years ago and Dickinson MBB last year went by bus to Wheaton... that isn't the determining factor and usually that is up to the school. The NCAA's mileage rule just dictates whether they have to change things to keep the costs down. If it is on paper as a flight... it is considered a flight... because they won't know if a bus will be used until after they make a decision on hosting.
It seems a little out of character for the NCAA to take the chance that a team will fly for a first-round game when it is not absolutely necessary. With the thick population of tournament-worthy teams in the midwest, another destination for Wooster could have been found that removes the possibility of flying from the analysis. I think it is more likely that the mileage program has been adjusted since then and read <500 at the time of that Woo/Augie matchup.
I think it is pretty likely that Mount will bus to Rock Island this weekend, regardless of the mileage. It's a pretty easy drive, and would be a difficult flight without a charter plane.
I don't disagree... but when you get over the 500 mile barrier... then the right to fly kicks in. So if a team wants to fly, that is the expense. If the team wants to bus, that is the expense. That is why I was saying on paper the NCAA will view the decision as a flight and thus...
... let's say for hypothetical you get a scenario where the top ranked teams is a few miles over the 500 mile, but there is a team in the middle that can host everyone even though they aren't close to the top ranked team. One scenario comes to mind was Middlebury, St. Mary's, Rochester, and Buffalo State about five years ago (though 542). The NCAA isn't going to consider whether a team would bus or not before they decide on a host. So, instead of asking Middlebury or SMC if they would bus to the other site... they chose Rochester to host since all teams could get there without the flight. Maybe Middlebury or SMC would have been happy to bus instead of, for Middlebury, driving to Albany, flying to Baltimore, and bussing to SMC and vise versa for SMC (easier to just bus the entire distance). It didn't matter... it was over 500 miles and the bus decision is after the fact.
By the way, Augie to Wooster: 501; Wooster to Augie: 500. Both over the limit... but that's how the mileage system calculates the trips.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: magicman on March 07, 2015, 09:13:48 PM
Dickinson beats Albertus Magnus with a last second basket 74-72. After Big Vic hits a basket to tie the game for Albertus with 11 seconds to go, the Red Devils come down and take a 3 pointer with 5 seconds left that is partially blocked by Sledge. It ends up in Ted Hinnenkamps hands right near the basket and he lays it in at the buzzer. Tough way to go down for the Falcons as it looked like it was headed to overtime when Sledge got his hand on the 3 point attempt.
Honestly, that wasn't a partial block... that was a 5-9 guy in Sledge who fully blocked that shot ... it didn't go but a foot out of the shooter's hand before it was heading straight up because of the physics put on the ball by the block. That block was impressive... but then Cox snuck a hand in as Sledge came down with the ball and popped it loose right into the waiting hands of Hinnenkamp who told me glanced at the clock and then turned and laid it in. Unbelievable finish!
Here is the interview afterward with Hinnenkamp: http://youtu.be/f-kH57b3vcc (http://youtu.be/f-kH57b3vcc)
Here is the final sequence of plays: http://youtu.be/EFEaRIoBRF0 (http://youtu.be/EFEaRIoBRF0)
Any word on the condition of Sledge? Sketchy reports of him seriously injuring himself right after the game when he punched a glass case or something like that. Heard he was taken to hospital with serious cut to his arm. Nothing about it today though.
That is pretty much what I was told and I didn't pursue much more (having a doctor for a father... I just don't push HIPPA stuff). He apparently bunched a trophy case on his way to the locker room (in frustration)... the glass broke and apparently he did a pretty serious job to his hand. He was treated on site by emergency personal, who were very quick on the scene, and was taken to the local hospital. I heard it was a bad injury, but I didn't see it or see the aftermath.
Men's hosts: Augustana, Randolph-Macon, Babson, and UW-Stevens Point.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 12:36:03 PM
That is pretty much what I was told and I didn't pursue much more (having a doctor for a father... I just don't push HIPPA stuff). He apparently bunched a trophy case on his way to the locker room (in frustration)... the glass broke and apparently he did a pretty serious job to his hand. He was treated on site by emergency personal, who were very quick on the scene, and was taken to the local hospital. I heard it was a bad injury, but I didn't see it or see the aftermath.
Thank you!
Quote from: David Collinge on March 08, 2015, 12:07:53 PM
TGHIJGSTO!!! A second life!
Actually, you want Fisher here.
Oops. Not sure how I did that! Thanks. Edited.
Quote from: donho on March 08, 2015, 12:15:25 PM
Greek Tragedy, interesting that you put VWC in your top four ahead of RMC. Is that because if they meet again RMC would have to beat them four times in one year to advance??
I meant RMC. Late night.
Worthy of taking note: http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/sectional-hosts-announced?t=1425838998807&t=1425839002455 (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/sectional-hosts-announced?t=1425838998807&t=1425839002455)
Babson 52% and Augie 24% lead the way not to advance.
Below is from the ODAC board. Does anyone know the answer?
Quote from: algernon on March 08, 2015, 04:10:05 PMQuote from: marlinpg10 on March 08, 2015, 09:49:54 AMVwc advances to its 5th straight sweet 16. Wow that is impressive As a program and a coach. Macedo gets it done year in and year out.
Wow. Can any other team in the country make that claim, that they've made it to the Sweet Sixteen 5 years in a row?!!! Tremendous accomplishment, for sure.
Updated odds of advancement:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxkM2Jhc2tldGJhbGxpbmRleHxneDoyYTFlNDI1OTljZWUwNzU1
Top Odds Of Winning Championship
UW-Stevens Point 17.0%
Babson 14.5%
Augustana 13.1%
Randolph-Macon 12.8%
St. Olaf 7.7%
VA Wesleyan 5.9%
ETBU 5.8%
Marietta 5.7%
The Augustana sectional is the most "wide-open" with all 4 teams being of relatively equal strength. The home court advantage puts Augustana over the top. Should be some great games on Friday and Saturday
From Babson's website:
"Staake Gymnasium is home of the Babson basketball and women's volleyball teams. Named after Babson Athletics Hall of Fame member and former Athletics Director Paul C. Staake, this beautiful facility features two full basketball courts, six hoops, and bleacher seating for 650 people."
How do they get the opportunity to host when the NCAA manual says you need seating for 1000?
They bring in extra seating and thus their minimum when they fill out paperwork with the NCAA is far higher.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2015, 01:45:49 PM
They bring in extra seating and thus their minimum when they fill out paperwork with the NCAA is far higher.
;) Possibly the etiology phrase, "cheap seats" ...
Quote from: neverwas725 on March 09, 2015, 01:43:55 PM
From Babson's website:
"Staake Gymnasium is home of the Babson basketball and women's volleyball teams. Named after Babson Athletics Hall of Fame member and former Athletics Director Paul C. Staake, this beautiful facility features two full basketball courts, six hoops, and bleacher seating for 650 people."
neverwas -- did you finish reading the page or just stop there? :)
QuoteThe bleachers at Staake Gymnasium seat up to 650 people while additional standing room areas and alternate seating options can accommodate up to 1500 total spectators. Areas for handicap seating are also available near each entrance. There are no admission fees for any of Babson's regular season contests in Staake Gymnasium, although admission fees may aply for NEWMAC, ECAC, and NCAA Tournament games. Those fees will be advertised on the front page of the athletics site when applicable.
Home teams were 13-3 in the first round. Washington U., Whitewater and St. Norbert lost.
Home teams were 12-2 in the 2nd round with both bye teams winning. Richard Stockton lost to Bates and William Paterson lost to Virginia Wesleyan.
Augustana, Babson, Randolph Macon and Stevens Point all host.
I think Point has the toughest opening game as a host, playing Emory.
Pat, I read the overview from the Webster center part of their website. I need to learn to investigate further before posting here. Thanks!!
Quote from: neverwas725 on March 09, 2015, 06:52:27 PM
Pat, I read the overview from the Webster center part of their website. I need to learn to investigate further before posting here. Thanks!!
I recognized it because I'd read the same page. But I knew the committee wouldn't put a sectional there if that was all there had, so I kept reading. The paragraph I quoted is from the bottom of the same page.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/03/09/women-men-ncaa-tournament-airplane-travel/24662287/
QuoteThe jigsaw puzzle has gotten more complicated over the past two years because of a pronounced drop in the availability of charter airplanes large enough to accommodate NCAA tournament travel parties, which typically include school administrators, families, pep bands and cheerleaders.
QuoteSan Diego State coach Steve Fisher railed on the NCAA at his postgame news conference, calling it disgraceful that a better travel situation couldn't have been found given the massive revenues generated by the tournament each year.
[Mark] Lewis [NCAA vice president for championships], however, was adamant that the issue with New Mexico State and any subsequent problems that may come up this year have nothing to do with money, noting the NCAA has spent as much as $250,000 chartering a jumbo-sized 747 to take a team home. It's simply a problem of supply and demand, both for planes and pilots.
"We have standards for safety we'll never drop below, but anyone that's in that pool of operators and equipment; if they have a solution for us, we'll put it on the table," Lewis said. "We've put deposits down earlier than ever before. We've pre-paid for use of aircraft just to make sure we have as much availability as we could. We've never refused an opportunity because of cost."
Let me add on to the end of that quote, ".... in Division I."
Those poor D-I basketball programs. There's just not enough chartered airplanes for everyone! And they can't fit their administrators, pep bands and cheerleaders on the planes! My heart weeps.
We live on the same planet, but we are living in different worlds, man.
Yeah. It's tough. With all that money schools make (and the NCAA), why don't they just buy their own planes? ;D
According to Massey
Augie 59%
Mt. Union 41%
St. Olaf 62%
Marietta 38%
Babson 63%
Johns Hopkins 38
Bates 53%
Trinity 47%
Randolph-Macon 69
St. John Fisher 31%
Virginia Wesleyan 65%
Dickinson 35%
East Texas Baptist 72%
Northwestern 28%
Stevens Point 74%
Emory 26%
Anyone else reflexively want to root against the computer?
Quote from: Team First on March 11, 2015, 08:24:59 AM
Anyone else reflexively want to root against the computer?
I'll take Dickinson, Marietta, Northwestern, and Emory - the computers can go 4-4 like the rest of us.
I'm surprised most about the St. Olaf pick and the gap between Point and Emory.
Updated Massey ratings
Augie 6
Mount Union 10
St. Olaf 2
Marietta 7
Babson 3
JHU 13
Bates 20
Trinity 38
RMC 4
SJF 25
Dickinson 18
VWU 8
Northwestern 59
ETBU 14
Stevens Point 1
Emory 11
13 of 16 teams are ranked in the last d3hoops.com poll.
#20 SJF at #1 Randolph Macon
#15 JHU at #4 Babson
#19 Mount Union at #6 Augustana
#11 Emory at #8 Stevens Point
#9 Virginia Wesleyan vs #10 Dickinson
#24 St. Olaf vs #12 Marietta
Northwestern vs #24 ETBU
Bates vs Trinity (CT)
Virginia Wesleyan 75
Dickinson 65
Boy, East Texas Baptist is not only breaking Northwestern's Cinderella slipper, it's grinding it into a fine powder.
With sixteen minutes left, ETBU is up by a 53-29 score.
Trinity pulling away. 65-52, 3:38 to go.
36-29 St. Olaf over Marietta at halftime.
I didn't want to say anything, but I did not think that Northwestern had the athletes to run with the ETBU/ASC style of play. Unless ETBU completely lays an egg for the last 9 minutes of the game, this one is over.
64-40 with 8:00 left
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2015, 07:20:45 PM
I didn't want to say anything, but I did not think that Northwestern had the athletes to run with the ETBU/ASC style of play. Unless ETBU completely lays an egg for the last 9 minutes of the game, this one is over.
64-40 with 8:00 left
I don't a problem expressing that opinion prior to the game.
Trinity (CT) 79
Bates 62
East Texas Baptist 70
Northwestern 46
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 13, 2015, 07:22:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2015, 07:20:45 PM
I didn't want to say anything, but I did not think that Northwestern had the athletes to run with the ETBU/ASC style of play. Unless ETBU completely lays an egg for the last 9 minutes of the game, this one is over.
64-40 with 8:00 left
I don't a problem expressing that opinion prior to the game.
It's what typically happens to a Cinderella that makes it out of the first weekend. The sectionals are a very unforgiving place to be if you've been getting by thus far on a wing and a prayer.
Marietta and St. Olaf are knotted up at 61-all with 6:08 to go. A.J. Edwards of Marietta has come off the bench and scored 13 points over the past four and a half minutes.
Pioneers up 7 65 seconds left.
Marietta wins 79-72
Marietta 79
St. Olaf 72
So, I feel safe saying I know more about d3 basketball than 99.99% of people on earth - yet in the first four games tonight, I picked exactly one correctly.
Randolph-Macon 64
St. John Fisher 57
Babson 49
Johns Hopkins 47
Very exciting finish!
Anyone that thought Augie had a tough time last weekend! Babson woof, and Trinity will put them in the defensive grinder again tomorrow. First to 50 might win both games
Augustana 82
Mt. Union 69
UWSP 73
Emory 53
So tomorrow night in the Elite Eight, we've got:
Trinity (CT) @ Babson
Virginia Wesleyan @ Randolph-Macon
Marietta @ Augustana
East Texas Baptist @ UW-Stevens Point
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2015, 10:52:31 PM
So tomorrow night in the Elite Eight, we've got:
Trinity (CT) @ Babson
Virginia Wesleyan @ Randolph-Macon
Marietta @ Augustana
East Texas Baptist @ UW-Stevens Point
I'd say Babson & RMC are the most likely to lose. How many times do you play and beat a team 4 times in 1 season?? When's the last time that happened??
Quote from: 7express on March 13, 2015, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2015, 10:52:31 PM
So tomorrow night in the Elite Eight, we've got:
Trinity (CT) @ Babson
Virginia Wesleyan @ Randolph-Macon
Marietta @ Augustana
East Texas Baptist @ UW-Stevens Point
I'd say Babson & RMC are the most likely to lose. How many times do you play and beat a team 4 times in 1 season?? When's the last time that happened??
In 2003-2004 Stevens Point played Oshkosh 4 times. Point played them in a Las Vegas holiday tourney as a non conference game, beat them twice during the conference season and a 4th time in the conference tournament.
I think Albertus would've matched up a lot better against VWC. Dickinson played well, not to take anything away from them, but they have been less than consistent this year. I picked their off game one round too early.
If today was their off-game, they wouldn't make the Final Four as you predicted.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 14, 2015, 10:06:59 AM
If today was their off-game, they wouldn't make the Final Four as you predicted.
I thought last game would be their off night, which is why I had Albertus in the Championship game. Last game they fooled me into thinking four fantastic games in a row meant they were buckled down for the stretch run. I think they're certainly better than they played last night, but consistency does matter in March. It's one of the good things about a tournament like this - the best team might not win, but the winner will always deserve it.
Umm. Ok. I thought you were talking up whomever won that game would go to the Final Four. My apolozies.
Quote from: 7express on March 13, 2015, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2015, 10:52:31 PM
So tomorrow night in the Elite Eight, we've got:
Trinity (CT) @ Babson
Virginia Wesleyan @ Randolph-Macon
Marietta @ Augustana
East Texas Baptist @ UW-Stevens Point
I'd say Babson & RMC are the most likely to lose. How many times do you play and beat a team 4 times in 1 season?? When's the last time that happened??
I'm pretty sure that it happens more often than a scenario in which a team beats an opponent three times and then loses to that opponent in the fourth contest between them.
Randolph-Macon beat Virginia Wesleyan by eight @ VWC, by three @ RMC, and by seven @ the Salem Civic Center in the ODAC championship game. All three games were close, but, when you get the same outcome three times in three tries, it tells you something about the comparative abilities of the two teams. At this point, RMC has clearly demonstrated that it's a better team than VWC. If the Marlins win tonight, it will have to be seen as a significant upset -- especially since the game will be played at RMC's Crenshaw Gym.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 14, 2015, 12:08:32 PM
Umm. Ok. I thought you were talking up whomever won that game would go to the Final Four. My apolozies.
Well it's sort of more a wish than anything else. I do think Dickinson and Albertus both have higher ceilings than any other team in that bracket - if everybody's playing their best game, I think Albertus is the best team in the country. The problem is they don't always do it. Randolph-Macon is by far the most consistent team in the country - it makes sense to pick them #1 and to go to the Final Four. I rarely win bracket competitions, because I tend to go with the team that is better in a vacuum. Sometimes it just seems unfair games aren't played in a vacuum.
It's a really dysfunctional way of looking at the world. I'm a recovering perfectionist.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 14, 2015, 02:14:31 PMI rarely win bracket competitions, because I tend to go with the team that is better in a vacuum. Sometimes it just seems unfair games aren't played in a vacuum.
I guess that I just don't see the attraction in watching teams play basketball in spacesuits.
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Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2015, 02:08:09 PM
Quote from: 7express on March 13, 2015, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2015, 10:52:31 PM
So tomorrow night in the Elite Eight, we've got:
Trinity (CT) @ Babson
Virginia Wesleyan @ Randolph-Macon
Marietta @ Augustana
East Texas Baptist @ UW-Stevens Point
I'd say Babson & RMC are the most likely to lose. How many times do you play and beat a team 4 times in 1 season?? When's the last time that happened??
I'm pretty sure that it happens more often than a scenario in which a team beats an opponent three times and then loses to that opponent in the fourth contest between them.
Randolph-Macon beat Virginia Wesleyan by eight @ VWC, by three @ RMC, and by seven @ the Salem Civic Center in the ODAC championship game. All three games were close, but, when you get the same outcome three times in three tries, it tells you something about the comparative abilities of the two teams. At this point, RMC has clearly demonstrated that it's a better team than VWC. If the Marlins win tonight, it will have to be seen as a significant upset -- especially since the game will be played at RMC's Crenshaw Gym.
I suppose it's fair to call it an upset, but I wouldn't apply any adjectives to it. The ODAC tournament win was in OT. And so far VWC has not been adversely affected by Pat Coleman picking them to win it all. :)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2015, 07:38:22 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 13, 2015, 07:22:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2015, 07:20:45 PM
I didn't want to say anything, but I did not think that Northwestern had the athletes to run with the ETBU/ASC style of play. Unless ETBU completely lays an egg for the last 9 minutes of the game, this one is over.
64-40 with 8:00 left
I don't a problem expressing that opinion prior to the game.
It's what typically happens to a Cinderella that makes it out of the first weekend. The sectionals are a very unforgiving place to be if you've been getting by thus far on a wing and a prayer.
I am glad to have an ASC team this far, but we are so isolated from the rest of D3. The men have never hosted a Round of 16/8.
Is ETBU the only team that was flown in the "8"? At least they are seeing the court for the second time.
UWSP demolished a UAA team, arguably a conference in the first tier/upper 2nd tier at worst. The ASC only has one Final Four and only 3 previous Elite 8 appearances since the conference began receiving bids, about 1999.
Most likely to lose? Wow! ETBU is up against the most formidable challenge.
(Are we still calling the first tier conferences, WIAC, NESCAC, UAA, CCIW, ODAC?)
It does seem to be the general consensus that those five leagues are the top tier.
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Is ETBU the only team that was flown in the "8"? At least they are seeing the court for the second time.
What exactly does this mean?
Emory flew into Point as well. Didn't Marietta and Mount Union fly into Rock Island?
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Is ETBU the only team that was flown in the "8"? At least they are seeing the court for the second time.
What exactly does this mean?
Emory flew into Point as well. Didn't Marietta and Mount Union fly into Rock Island?
We should cut Ralph some clack. He's been away for a while. Now that McMurry is coming back where it belongs, he might need a bit to catch up. :)
I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. I didn't understand the whole "flown in the 8". Obviously they get flown as the Sweet 16 and if they win, they stay over. They don't fly somewhere else. That's what I didn't understand.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 14, 2015, 05:26:51 PM
I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. I didn't understand the whole "flown in the 8". Obviously they get flown as the Sweet 16 and if they win, they stay over. They don't fly somewhere else. That's what I didn't understand.
And so the answer to Ralph's question..".Is ETBU the only team that was flown in the "8"?"....is... no, Marietta is the other team in the "8" that was flown in. :D
Quote from: magicman on March 14, 2015, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 14, 2015, 05:26:51 PM
I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. I didn't understand the whole "flown in the 8". Obviously they get flown as the Sweet 16 and if they win, they stay over. They don't fly somewhere else. That's what I didn't understand.
And so the answer to Ralph's question..".Is ETBU the only team that was flown in the "8"?"....is... no, Marietta is the other team in the "8" that was flown in. :D
Thanks. I had not heard the final "flight" count.
(Thanks for the kind regards. The real challenge over the last 2-3 years has been with my "day job". It is gratifying, productive, mentally and professionally stimulating but definitely time-consuming. In fact, I would love to do it for another 15 years!)
It's not the NCAA tournament but the NCCAA tournament... Lancaster Bible responded after losing the NEAC title game to SUNY-Cobleskill by winning the NCCAA D2 title 78-65 over Hillsdale FWB... they finish 28-3 for the year and it was also the 400th win in program history.
Final score Virginia Wesleyan defeats Randolph-Macon 49-47. Apparently the 4th time's a charm. :D
Virginia Wesleyan 49
Randolph-Macon 47
Va Wes wins 49-47. Great look, just fell off for Hamilton of RMC. RMC did finish 3-1 but tough time to lose the first.
Quite a contrast in the two midwestern games. At the half, UWSP leads ETBU in a score more appropriate to a football half, 23-8. And, also at the half, Augustana is performing a vivisection of Marietta, 50-20.
Augustana didn't get the memo that it's supposed to be low scoring today... they have 50 at halftime... neither Virginia Wesleyan or Randolph-Macon reached 50 for the whole game... UWSP and ETBU combined for just 31 in the first half. If it was UWSP+ETBU+Marietta vs Augustana it'd be a 1 point game at halftime
Trinity (CT) and Babson are going to overtime.
Vwc beats rmc by 2
"Lightning Crashes" by Live seems like a really poorly timed song selection at that particular moment in the Babson/Trinity game.
I'm really having a hard time comprehending Point putting up a mere 23 1st Half points, and still leading by 15. In fact, 31-17 with 11 mins left is still rather inexplicable to me. A hoop is still worth 2 points right? Or is it scoring by ones, make it take it?
Babson 76
Trinity (CT) 69
Final score: Babson advances to the Final Four with a 76-69 win over Trinity in overtime. Trinity should have won this game in regulation. They didn't play well in the final few minutes of regulation.
Quote from: GoPerry on March 14, 2015, 09:17:38 PM
I'm really having a hard time comprehending Point putting up a mere 23 1st Half points, and still leading by 15. In fact, 31-17 with 11 mins left is still rather inexplicable to me. A hoop is still worth 2 points right? Or is it scoring by ones, make it take it?
Its understandable, Point is down this year.
Quote from: GoPerry on March 14, 2015, 09:17:38 PM
I'm really having a hard time comprehending Point putting up a mere 23 1st Half points, and still leading by 15. In fact, 31-17 with 11 mins left is still rather inexplicable to me. A hoop is still worth 2 points right? Or is it scoring by ones, make it take it?
Maybe they forgot which sport and played football? ;D
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Quote from: GoPerry on March 14, 2015, 09:17:38 PM
I'm really having a hard time comprehending Point putting up a mere 23 1st Half points, and still leading by 15. In fact, 31-17 with 11 mins left is still rather inexplicable to me. A hoop is still worth 2 points right? Or is it scoring by ones, make it take it?
Its understandable, Point is down this year.
Ha! Good one.
Both teams scored 70+ last night. Maybe its a Pi day thing . . .? Like they're only allowed to make 1 out of every 3.1415 shots . . .?
Stevens Points defeats East Texas Baptist by a 45-28 final score. I think they did away with the shot clock for this one and used Dean Smith's 4 corner offense in his memory. When was the last time a game in the Great 8 didn't have 75 total points scored?
UWSP 45
East Texas Baptist 28
Augustana buries Marietta 100-51
Augustana 100
Marietta 51
Quote from: magicman on March 14, 2015, 09:42:54 PM
Augustana buries Marietta 100-51
So, in one elite 8 game we have 2 teams scoring a combined 73 points, in another elite 8 game we have a winning margin of 49 points. Weird.
Quote from: magicman on March 14, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
Stevens Points defeats East Texas Baptist by a 45-28 final score. I think they did away with the shot clock for this one and used Dean Smith's 4 corner offense in his memory. When was the last time a game in the Great 8 didn't have 75 total points scored?
UVa beat Rutgers 45-26 in December. :-\
Augustana scored 50 points in each half... in full games today Marietta had 51, Virginia Wesleyan 49, Randolph-Macon 47, UW-Stevens Point 45, E Texas Baptist 28, and Babson-Trinity went to OT.
Unbelievable night for Augustana. There aren't many words needed to describe that effort on both ends of the floor tonight. Just one of those special nights. Congrats to the team on a great accomplishment of making the Final Four and good luck. See you in Salem!!!
Quote from: augie_superfan on March 14, 2015, 09:49:57 PM
Unbelievable night for Augustana. There aren't many words needed to describe that effort on both ends of the floor tonight. Just one of those special nights. Congrats to the team on a great accomplishment of making the Final Four and good luck. See you in Salem!!!
62% from the field, 72% from 3pt....? Send the game film of this one to Babson and dare them to show up . . .
If they're smart, they won't even look at it.
This marks four straight years that the CCIW has sent a representative to the Final Four. My initial scan of the Final Four records shows that this is only the second time that a league has had a Final Four rep for four straight seasons, with the CCIW doing it from 1978 thru 1981 as well.
What's really remarkable is that the league's been repped in Salem over the past three years now by three different schools: North Central two seasons ago, Illinois Wesleyan last season, and Augustana this season.
This just goes to show you that it pays to trust your instincts. At the beginning of the year, the two teams I thought has the best chance to put together a great year: Augustana and Virginia Wesleyan. Maybe the regular season doesn't count for much?
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2015, 09:41:55 PM
UWSP 45
East Texas Baptist 28
Point was up 23-8 at halftime. Wow.
Quote from: GoPerry on March 14, 2015, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: augie_superfan on March 14, 2015, 09:49:57 PM
Unbelievable night for Augustana. There aren't many words needed to describe that effort on both ends of the floor tonight. Just one of those special nights. Congrats to the team on a great accomplishment of making the Final Four and good luck. See you in Salem!!!
62% from the field, 72% from 3pt....? Send the game film of this one to Babson and dare them to show up . . .
If they're smart, they won't even look at it.
Point, VWC and Babson should just save their money and give Augie the Championship now, right?
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 15, 2015, 12:18:02 AM
Quote from: GoPerry on March 14, 2015, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: augie_superfan on March 14, 2015, 09:49:57 PM
Unbelievable night for Augustana. There aren't many words needed to describe that effort on both ends of the floor tonight. Just one of those special nights. Congrats to the team on a great accomplishment of making the Final Four and good luck. See you in Salem!!!
62% from the field, 72% from 3pt....? Send the game film of this one to Babson and dare them to show up . . .
If they're smart, they won't even look at it.
Point, VWC and Babson should just save their money and give Augie the Championship now, right?
If I was the coach of any of those teams I'd call up North Park and ask to see the game film of the January 31st 76-69 loss that the Parkers put on Augie that night. :D
Quote from: magicman on March 15, 2015, 01:29:16 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 15, 2015, 12:18:02 AM
Quote from: GoPerry on March 14, 2015, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: augie_superfan on March 14, 2015, 09:49:57 PM
Unbelievable night for Augustana. There aren't many words needed to describe that effort on both ends of the floor tonight. Just one of those special nights. Congrats to the team on a great accomplishment of making the Final Four and good luck. See you in Salem!!!
62% from the field, 72% from 3pt....? Send the game film of this one to Babson and dare them to show up . . .
If they're smart, they won't even look at it.
Point, VWC and Babson should just save their money and give Augie the Championship now, right?
If I was the coach of any of those teams I'd call up North Park and ask to see the game film of the January 31st 76-69 loss that the Parkers put on Augie that night. :D
I don't know which game he watched, but last night in the postgame news conference Babson's Joey Flannery said he'd watched an Augustana game online. Knew Hunter Hill by name.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2015, 10:23:53 PM
This marks four straight years that the CCIW has sent a representative to the Final Four. My initial scan of the Final Four records shows that this is only the second time that a league has had a Final Four rep for four straight seasons, with the CCIW doing it from 1978 thru 1981 as well.
What's really remarkable is that the league's been repped in Salem over the past three years now by three different schools: North Central two seasons ago, Illinois Wesleyan last season, and Augustana this season.
Quite an amazing feat, definitely, especially with 3
different teams in 3 years.
Unfortunately, things having gone too well for the CCIW, going 0-3 the last 3 years in the semis (obviously, not counting this year).
2014 IWU lost to eventual champ Whitewater in semis
2013 NCC lost to eventual champ Amherst in semis
2012 IWU lost to eventual runner-up Cabrini in semis
I suppose if Augustana loses to Babson, they have 2 in 3 shot of winning it then! :D
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Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2015, 09:41:55 PM
UWSP 45
East Texas Baptist 28
Point was up 23-8 at halftime. Wow.
The UWSP announcers thought that the "ETBU meltdown" (I believe that was their words in the 2nd half) when the score was 9-6 favor of UWSP that lasted until the end of the half was the difference. ETBU re-grouped at halftime. The announcers said that the 2nd half ETBU effort over 40 minutes would have made a great game.
I guess we can sum up this game as a team that "knows" how to get there beating a team that is learning.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2015, 01:22:21 PMI guess we can sum up this game as a team that "knows" how to get there beating a team that is learning.
That's one way to sum it up. Another would be to say that the team that "knows" how to get there knows that offense wins games, but defense wins championships. What UWSP has done at the defensive end of the floor over the past two weeks has been nothing short of amazing.
In their WIAC tourney first-round game, which UWSP lost, the Pointers held a UW-Oshkosh team that otherwise averaged 63.5 ppg to 50 points. But the Pointers were just getting warmed up. Here's what they've done in the D3 tourney thus far:
| opponent | ppg before UWSP game | vs. UWSP |
| Concordia (WI) | 76.3 | 56 |
| Illinois Wesleyan | 78.4 | 53 |
| Emory | 80.7 | 53 |
| East Texas Baptist | 76.2 | 28 |
That's just insanely good team defense.
Almost had a game today that surpassed the 73 point scorcher of UWSP-ETBU last night... the Sun Belt championship game today was Georgia St 38 Georgia Southern 36 for a grand total of 74.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 15, 2015, 03:03:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2015, 01:22:21 PMI guess we can sum up this game as a team that "knows" how to get there beating a team that is learning.
That's one way to sum it up. Another would be to say that the team that "knows" how to get there knows that offense wins games, but defense wins championships. What UWSP has done at the defensive end of the floor over the past two weeks has been nothing short of amazing.
In their WIAC tourney first-round game, which UWSP lost, the Pointers held a UW-Oshkosh team that otherwise averaged 63.5 ppg to 50 points. But the Pointers were just getting warmed up. Here's what they've done in the D3 tourney thus far:
| opponent | ppg before UWSP game | vs. UWSP |
| Concordia (WI) | 76.3 | 56 |
| Illinois Wesleyan | 78.4 | 53 |
| Emory | 80.7 | 53 |
| East Texas Baptist | 76.2 | 28 |
That's just insanely good team defense.
UWSP's effort against the Tigers tied a 31 year old record set originally by coach Dick Bennett's team led by Terry Porter when they surrendered only 28 points to UW Milwaukee.
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So tomorrow night in the Elite Eight, we've got:
Trinity (CT) @ Babson
Virginia Wesleyan @ Randolph-Macon
Marietta @ Augustana
East Texas Baptist @ UW-Stevens Point
I'd say Babson & RMC are the most likely to lose. How many times do you play and beat a team 4 times in 1 season?? When's the last time that happened??
I'm pretty sure that it happens more often than a scenario in which a team beats an opponent three times and then loses to that opponent in the fourth contest between them.
Randolph-Macon beat Virginia Wesleyan by eight @ VWC, by three @ RMC, and by seven @ the Salem Civic Center in the ODAC championship game. All three games were close, but, when you get the same outcome three times in three tries, it tells you something about the comparative abilities of the two teams. At this point, RMC has clearly demonstrated that it's a better team than VWC. If the Marlins win tonight, it will have to be seen as a significant upset -- especially since the game will be played at RMC's Crenshaw Gym.
It may be rare, but just last season Amherst beat Williams by double-digits three straight times, before Williams absolutely demolished them in Salem.
(Sorry to respond so belatedly - just arrived back in town and am catching up on the boards.)
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 15, 2015, 05:35:50 PM
Almost had a game today that surpassed the 73 point scorcher of UWSP-ETBU last night... the Sun Belt championship game today was Georgia St 38 Georgia Southern 36 for a grand total of 74.
In 1999 the Wisconsin Badgers lost to SW Missouri St 43-32 for a total of 75.
Massey has Augustana winning 63% - 37% (67-64 score) and Stevens Point winning 65% - 35% (63-59 score)
Is it NCAA.com doing the semis and CBS Sports doing the Final? All-Star game?
NCAA is doing the semifinals and all-star game... CBS Sports Network is doing the championship. We will have links to the first three... unless something changes with CBS Sports' stance, that will not be video webstreamed, but we will have an audio broadcast on D3hoops.com.
Because I make poor decisions in how to use my free time (Have you met the BeltTM?) I wondered what the first two rounds of the D-I tournament would look like if you applied D-III principles. So here was the method...
1. Take 1-64 from the official NCAA D-I seed list. Sorry 65-68, you're out.
2. Avoid as many flights as possible (500 mile rule)
3. Allow no conference teams to play in the first round
4. Place the top 16 teams as pod hosts
5. Pair up the bottom 16 teams with a host (1 flight)
6. Assign 17-32 to a host site (2 flights)
7. Assign 33-47 to a host site (2 flights)
I was able to do the whole thing with only 5 flights (the state of Utah proved to a geographic island). That should help solve those charter airplane problems they've been whining about. I'm pretty sure I avoided all first round conference rematches and I avoided a lot of second round possible rematches too, although with all the realignment I might have missed one.
Not that you asked, or cared, but here it is...
At Lexington, Ky.
#1 Kentucky vs. #57 UAB
#23 Butler vs. #43 Ole Miss
At Philadelphia, Pa.
#2 Villanova vs. #63 Lafayette
#31 North Carolina St. vs. #48 Buffalo
At Durham, N.C.
#3 Duke vs. #64 Coastal Carolina
#29 Cincinnati (flight) vs. #47 Wyoming (flight)
At Madison, Wis.
#4 Wisconsin vs. #51 Valparaiso
#20 Northern Iowa vs. #46 Dayton
At Charlottesville, Va.
#5 Virginia vs. #58 Albany
#28 VCU vs. #39 Ohio St.
At Tucson, Ariz.
#6 Arizona vs. #59 New Mexico St.
#32 San Diego St. vs. #42 UCLA
At Spokane, Wash.
#7 Gonzaga vs. #53 Eastern Washington
#30 Oregon vs. #45 Boise State
At Lawrence, Kan.
#8 Kansas vs. #54 UC-Irvine (flight)
#27 Iowa vs. #34 Oklahoma St.
At Ames, Iowa
#9 Iowa State vs. #62 North Dakota St.
#26 Wichita State vs. #36 Purdue
At Waco, Texas
#10 Baylor vs. #61 Texas Southern
#21 SMU vs. #35 LSU
At Norman, Okla.
#11 Oklahoma vs. #50 Stephen F. Austin
#18 Arkansas vs. #41 Texas
At South Bend, Ind.
#12 Notre Dame vs. #60 Belmont
#25 Michigan State vs. #44 BYU (flight)
At Chapel Hill, N.C.
#13 North Carolina vs. #55 Georgia St.
#19 West Virginia vs. #40 Georgia
At College Park, Md.
#14 Maryland vs. #56 Northeastern
#22 Providence vs. #38 Davidson
At Louisville, Ky.
#15 Louisville vs. #49 Wofford
#24 Xavier vs. #37 Indiana
At Washington, D.C.
#16 Georgetown vs. #52 Harvard
#17 Utah (flight) vs. #33 St. John's
Quote from: Just Bill on March 18, 2015, 11:35:35 PM
Because I make poor decisions in how to use my free time (Have you met the BeltTM?) I wondered what the first two rounds of the D-I tournament would look like if you applied D-III principles. So here was the method...
1. Take 1-64 from the official NCAA D-I seed list. Sorry 65-68, you're out.
2. Avoid as many flights as possible (500 mile rule)
3. Allow no conference teams to play in the first round
4. Place the top 16 teams as pod hosts
5. Pair up the bottom 16 teams with a host (1 flight)
6. Assign 17-32 to a host site (2 flights)
7. Assign 33-47 to a host site (2 flights)
I was able to do the whole thing with only 5 flights (the state of Utah proved to a geographic island). That should help solve those charter airplane problems they've been whining about. I'm pretty sure I avoided all first round conference rematches and I avoided a lot of second round possible rematches too, although with all the realignment I might have missed one.
Not that you asked, or cared, but here it is...
At Lexington, Ky.
#1 Kentucky vs. #57 UAB
#23 Butler vs. #43 Ole Miss
At Philadelphia, Pa.
#2 Villanova vs. #63 Lafayette
#31 North Carolina St. vs. #48 Buffalo
At Durham, N.C.
#3 Duke vs. #64 Coastal Carolina
#29 Cincinnati (flight) vs. #47 Wyoming (flight)
At Madison, Wis.
#4 Wisconsin vs. #51 Valparaiso
#20 Northern Iowa vs. #46 Dayton
At Charlottesville, Va.
#5 Virginia vs. #58 Albany
#28 VCU vs. #39 Ohio St.
At Tucson, Ariz.
#6 Arizona vs. #59 New Mexico St.
#32 San Diego St. vs. #42 UCLA
At Spokane, Wash.
#7 Gonzaga vs. #53 Eastern Washington
#30 Oregon vs. #45 Boise State
At Lawrence, Kan.
#8 Kansas vs. #54 UC-Irvine (flight)
#27 Iowa vs. #34 Oklahoma St.
At Ames, Iowa
#9 Iowa State vs. #62 North Dakota St.
#26 Wichita State vs. #36 Purdue
At Waco, Texas
#10 Baylor vs. #61 Texas Southern
#21 SMU vs. #35 LSU
At Norman, Okla.
#11 Oklahoma vs. #50 Stephen F. Austin
#18 Arkansas vs. #41 Texas
At South Bend, Ind.
#12 Notre Dame vs. #60 Belmont
#25 Michigan State vs. #44 BYU (flight)
At Chapel Hill, N.C.
#13 North Carolina vs. #55 Georgia St.
#19 West Virginia vs. #40 Georgia
At College Park, Md.
#14 Maryland vs. #56 Northeastern
#22 Providence vs. #38 Davidson
At Louisville, Ky.
#15 Louisville vs. #49 Wofford
#24 Xavier vs. #37 Indiana
At Washington, D.C.
#16 Georgetown vs. #52 Harvard
#17 Utah (flight) vs. #33 St. John's
I think I prefer this tournament. D1 proves every year that there isn't much difference between a 5 seed and a 12 seed, might as well bracket nearby teams to create some atmosphere in the arena.
Thank you for taking the time to put this together. It is very interesting. What it does for me is to create a tournament that really favors the seeded teams playing at home. It would make getting one of the those first and second round games crucial. I looked at what would happen if all sixteen hosts advanced to the third round. The advantage becomes even more apparent for the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight rounds. As I said, very interesting.
So who's actually considered the favorite? Augustana, they did have a bye. Babson, least amount of losses of the 4 and ranked the highest. VWC because they just knocked off #1 RMC. Point because...?
Won't be any perfect brackets this year :P
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
So who's actually considered the favorite? Augustana, they did have a bye. Babson, least amount of losses of the 4 and ranked the highest. VWC because they just knocked off #1 RMC. Point because...?
* When you have #4 vs #6, and #8 vs #9, I don't think you can determine a favorite on the basis of rankings, as the positions could probably be reversed. Just too close to call on the basis of rankings alone.
* In expected close games I still like to bet my win money on the team that turns the ball over the fewest times, and that makes the highest percentage of its free throws.
* Many might think they aren't things having any baring on the final outcome, but one factor I think often plays a role is which team has the
strongest weakness. Let's say team A's biggest problem is poor FT shooting, and team B's is high turnovers. I think whichever team perfroms best in its weakest area is very often the winner. Lastly, what team has
luck on it's side that night.
Who gets the bad bounce, the obviously incorrect call, or an injury during the game?
That really didn't answer my question. ??? ;D :)
Too many flights, AO. The NCAA would never approve unnecessary travel.
You can do a pod at Utah with BYU and Wyoming both driving, then fly UC-Irvine in.
You move VCU-Ohio St to Duke and put Georgetown and St. John's at Virginia.
Harvard to Villanova, Buffalo to South Bend and then either N Iowa or Wichita State at Kansas.
Yes, it makes the Kansas pod a bit too loaded, but you're only looking at a potential second round game in the first round, which isn't terrible, plus it makes only one flight nationally - which you can't help because there's five teams orphaned in the Southwest.
Now, if Colorado State had been in, instead of Dayton, they could just drive to Utah and Irvine could fly to Kansas and everything would work out better, but alas, the committee had other ideas.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 20, 2015, 08:16:40 AM
Too many flights, AO. The NCAA would never approve unnecessary travel.
I was saying I preferred that D1 move to the D3 method. The biggest games of the year should be played in front of the best crowds. Bracketing doesn't have to be "fair". There are very few big tournaments that even allow the true #1 and #2 teams to meet only in the championship game.
Quote from: AO on March 20, 2015, 09:18:25 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 20, 2015, 08:16:40 AM
Too many flights, AO. The NCAA would never approve unnecessary travel.
I was saying I preferred that D1 move to the D3 method. The biggest games of the year should be played in front of the best crowds. Bracketing doesn't have to be "fair". There are very few big tournaments that even allow the true #1 and #2 teams to meet only in the championship game.
Not even this one - Kentucky and Wisconsin should be able to meet in the final.
How would it be changed if instead of ignoring 65-68 (since they won their conference's bid) you took out the last four at large teams (Boise St, Dayton, BYU, Ole Miss)?
So why are we talking D1? LOL :-)
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 20, 2015, 12:20:56 PM
How would it be changed if instead of ignoring 65-68 (since they won their conference's bid) you took out the last four at large teams (Boise St, Dayton, BYU, Ole Miss)?
Not having Boise State would really mess with things - they can drive to Gonzaga and Utah - it really helps with options.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
So why are we talking D1? LOL :-)
We're just putting d1 teams into a d3 style bracket. I'm not sure what that bracket would mean for sectionals, though.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 20, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
So why are we talking D1? LOL :-)
We're just putting d1 teams into a d3 style bracket. I'm not sure what that bracket would mean for sectionals, though.
Better yet - how about redoing the d3 bracket into d1 style! Straight seeds - 500-mile limit be damned!
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2015, 03:22:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 20, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
So why are we talking D1? LOL :-)
We're just putting d1 teams into a d3 style bracket. I'm not sure what that bracket would mean for sectionals, though.
Better yet - how about redoing the d3 bracket into d1 style! Straight seeds - 500-mile limit be damned!
That would great!
Earlier this week I saw articles featuring Augustana, Babson and VWC. Did I miss a Pointers article or wasn't there one?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2015, 03:22:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 20, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
So why are we talking D1? LOL :-)
We're just putting d1 teams into a d3 style bracket. I'm not sure what that bracket would mean for sectionals, though.t
Better yet - how about redoing the d3 bracket into d1 style! Straight seeds - 500-mile limit be damned!
Shame on you Ypsi. You are making entirely too much sense.
Having a
true DIII national championship tournament is something the NCAA has demonstrated they are not really interested in by virtue of:
A. Their insistence on allowing a team to have four home games thus affording those teams a tremendous advantage as opposed to either allowing 2 home games at most or holding all games at neutral sites.
B. Their refusal to spend more than a very small percentage of their immense funds on the D3 tournament. And yes, I know D3 contributes only a minute percentage of the NCAA's fortune, but they could have a true national tournament and still have more than enough to spend on the D1 tournament and they would still rake in millions and millions in TV revenue.
This category includes the no flight rule unless the distance is over 500 miles. Instead, the powers that be at the NCAA insist that a team spend up to approximately 7 1/2 hours riding on a bus to reach their game site. This is a tremendous advantage to the home team. If its not, it should be.
In summary I know this is asking a lot, isn't realistic, and isn't ever gonna happen. However, if the NCAA wants to have a true national championship it would be nice to include the best 62 or whatever number of teams, and to give all of the teams as much of an equal chance as possible to be the true national champion.
The first finalist is Augustana, 68-48, over Babson. Do not be fooled by the final score into thinking it was a 'no contest' - Augie closed out the game on a 22-1 run! :o
Augustana 68
Babson 48
Augie ended the game on a 22-1 run.
Babson went down big early and fought all the way back to take a lead with six minutes to go. Really proud of that outing for Babson. D3 represented well by both teams tonight.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Earlier this week I saw articles featuring Augustana, Babson and VWC. Did I miss a Pointers article or wasn't there one?
I didn't see one
And Stevens Point will take on Augustana in tomorrow's Championship Game as the Pointers defeat Virginia Wesleyan by a final score of 68-59.
UWSP vs. Augie = WIAC vs. CCIW.
The midwest represents again!
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2015, 10:07:37 PM
UWSP vs. Augie = WIAC vs. CCIW.
The midwest represents again!
With all the titles won by the two conferences, this is amazingly enough the first time ever that they have met in the title game. :o
And, Greg, it is no longer just the 'midwest' - it is specifically the Central Region. ;D
Point is "down" this year.
Amazing team effort by this Pointers squad. No All-American candidates but they play really well together. I am sure that I am not the only fan that did not see this coming. This team was motivated by last years loss at home to Emory, and this group of seniors deserve a ton of credit. Great job by Coach Semling. 40 more minutes to go. BTW, the local high school team plays for a state championship tomorrow as well.
Quote from: SgtPaul on March 20, 2015, 10:24:41 PM
Amazing team effort by this Pointers squad. No All-American candidates but they play really well together. I am sure that I am not the only fan that did not see this coming. This team was motivated by last years loss at home to Emory, and this group of seniors deserve a ton of credit. Great job by Coach Semling. 40 more minutes to go. BTW, the local high school team plays for a state championship tomorrow as well.
Win or lose, he's got to be National Coach of the Year, right?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2015, 10:12:41 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2015, 10:07:37 PM
UWSP vs. Augie = WIAC vs. CCIW.
The midwest represents again!
With all the titles won by the two conferences, this is amazingly enough the first time ever that they have met in the title game. :o
As I said in CCIW Chat, Chuck, it's not amazing at all. D3 tourney brackets have been geographically constructed going right back to the very first one in 1975.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2015, 10:12:41 PMAnd, Greg, it is no longer just the 'midwest' - it is specifically the Central Region. ;D
Lots of other good midwestern teams that have repped well over the last twenty years aren't Central Region members: St. Thomas, Calvin, Otterbein, etc. That's why I was more inclusive.
Quote from: sac on March 20, 2015, 10:18:00 PM
Point is "down" this year.
Blame Tom for getting that so Greek-Tragically wrong. ;)
Incidentally, a quick correction to D-Mac, who said on the air that the women's championship game tomorrow between George Fox and Thomas More will be the first-ever D3 title match between undefeated teams. He should've specified gender, since it will be the first women's basketball title game in D3 that features two unbeatens. UW-Platteville and Manchester were both undefeated going into the 1995 men's basketball championship game, in which the Pioneers knocked off the Spartans for the Walnut & Bronze.
It will, however, be the first-ever championship game between two schools that each bear the name of an English religious leader. ;)
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Earlier this week I saw articles featuring Augustana, Babson and VWC. Did I miss a Pointers article or wasn't there one?
Yeah, sorry -- unfortunately there was a communication problem and I failed to assign the story. Sorry.
Quote from: Titan Q on Today at 08:47:14 am
One team in Division III has wins over both Augustana and UW-Stevens Point -- North Central (both on the road).
Cardinals continue to look like a great Pool C pick.
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North Central's road win over Stevens Point was achieved primarily due to the fact that the Cardinals absolutely pounded the Pointers on the boards, winning the rebounding battle by a ridiculously lopsided 43-25 margin. Four Cardinals had at least 6 rebounds. The second most important factor was NCC's blanketing defense, particularly on the interior. Joe Ritchay was the only Point player in double figures (21), but he was only 9 for 22 from the field. Overall, NCC limited UWSP to 32.5% shooting (20 for 62)
The NCC win at Augie was especially noteworthy due to the fact that it was gained despite the Cardinals playing without 15.7 point per game scorer Jayme Moten, the Card's best guard and primary outside threat. For the season Moten made 82 of 181 three point shots (45.3%). The primary factor in the victory was the total domination of the Cardinal bigs, over the Augie bigs. The 4 NCC big men outscored their Augie counterparts by a hard to believe 60-13 margin. Charlie Rosenberg had 24, and Jack Burchett and kevin Honn both had 16. NCC also out rebounded Augie, a superior rebounding team, by 2.
As TQ pointed out, Augie has a distinct size/inside advantage. If they can combine this with good perimeter defense, they should be in good shape.
I could very well be wrong, but if Augie gets 10+ points behind, I think they have the ability to come back. If UWSP suffers the same fate, I don't think a comeback is gonna happen.
Boy, I was really off with regard to my prediction about Augie's ability to come back if they got 10+ points down.
Congrats to UWSP. Dominant pretty much throughout.
12 of 18 from 3 will do that.
Can anyone post the All-tourney team please. Guessing Richard got tourney MOP?
Read that Ryf got Final Four MOP and Pelkofer and Ritchay made it. Not sure who else.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 21, 2015, 07:40:05 PM
12 of 18 from 3 will do that.
Can anyone post the All-tourney team please. Guessing Richard got tourney MOP?
Read that Ryf got Final Four MOP and Pelkofer and Ritchay made it. Not sure who else.
it is on D3Hoops.com (of course ;D) under the tournament coverage
Augustana's Hunter Hill; Babson's Joey Flannery
When I read that, it was very brief and I don't recall reading that at the end. Thanks though.
Quote from: AndOne on March 20, 2015, 04:49:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2015, 03:22:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 20, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
So why are we talking D1? LOL :-)
We're just putting d1 teams into a d3 style bracket. I'm not sure what that bracket would mean for sectionals, though.t
Better yet - how about redoing the d3 bracket into d1 style! Straight seeds - 500-mile limit be damned!
Shame on you Ypsi. You are making entirely too much sense.
Having a true DIII national championship tournament is something the NCAA has demonstrated they are not really interested in by virtue of:
A. Their insistence on allowing a team to have four home games thus affording those teams a tremendous advantage as opposed to either allowing 2 home games at most or holding all games at neutral sites.
B. Their refusal to spend more than a very small percentage of their immense funds on the D3 tournament. And yes, I know D3 contributes only a minute percentage of the NCAA's fortune, but they could have a true national tournament and still have more than enough to spend on the D1 tournament and they would still rake in millions and millions in TV revenue.
This category includes the no flight rule unless the distance is over 500 miles. Instead, the powers that be at the NCAA insist that a team spend up to approximately 7 1/2 hours riding on a bus to reach their game site. This is a tremendous advantage to the home team. If its not, it should be.
In summary I know this is asking a lot, isn't realistic, and isn't ever gonna happen. However, if the NCAA wants to have a true national championship it would be nice to include the best 62 or whatever number of teams, and to give all of the teams as much of an equal chance as possible to be the true national champion.
You are missing a major point... per the NCAA constitutions, Division III is allocated 3.18% of the entire NCAA operating budget/revenues. The division brings in roughly $400k-$450k in revenue itself via dues (rough math) and yet had a $25 million dollar operating budget last year. This coming year, they have already budgeted for a $31 million dollar budget (roughly) and the dues did not increase. By the way, 75% of the Division III operating budget is dedicated to all of the division's championships and heading into this academic year, the division was operating with a $2 million dollar deficit.
Some other points:
- To change the 3.18% number to something higher, all three divisions would have to approve it at a convention (each January). It may be a hard sell to tell Division I who brings in a vast majority of the revenue with the basketball, lacrosse, baseball, softball, Frozen Four, and other (not football) TV contracts that they should give up the money they are bringing in to other divisions (whether it seems fair or not - they are the ones with the contracts and Division III doesn't have any).
- Division II, which is smallest of the three divisions, has a roughly 5% piece of the pie - which again was approved when the constitution was put together basically in the 80's I believe.
- Division III needs to find some more revenue to show the rest of the NCAA that it is willing to pony up more money before it can reasonably ask for more piece of the pie. There is strong indication that raising dues - potentially doubling from $900 per school where they have been since the 1980s - will be the answer. However, on the basis of how it works: if Division III elects to raise dues, all three divisions again have to approve it and the division would still only get 3.18%. There is talk that they may be able to find some language in a "bill" to allow Division III to keep all of the extra money raised through raising the dues, but that is well behind-the-scenes right now so there isn't much to discuss until more is figured out.
Division III has had a very regional nature to their brackets along with a vast majority of sports in ALL three divisions. However when you see the basketball tournaments in Division I, there can be an understandable thought that all of Division I works that way. They don't. The sports who bring in the money certainly have the ability to do things differently. The rest, in all three divisions, then play by the same rules that dictate travel and expenses - even other Division I sports (same is true with scholarships, by the way).
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2015, 10:38:23 PM
Incidentally, a quick correction to D-Mac, who said on the air that the women's championship game tomorrow between George Fox and Thomas More will be the first-ever D3 title match between undefeated teams. He should've specified gender, since it will be the first women's basketball title game in D3 that features two unbeatens. UW-Platteville and Manchester were both undefeated going into the 1995 men's basketball championship game, in which the Pioneers knocked off the Spartans for the Walnut & Bronze.
It will, however, be the first-ever championship game between two schools that each bear the name of an English religious leader. ;)
If you heard me once say it without a gender... you missed me saying it at least a half dozen other times where I specifically said women's. I know it was women's only.
In case you missed Salem, here are some of the time lapse videos we shot: http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/salem-civic-center-timelapse (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/salem-civic-center-timelapse)
VERY cool. 8-)
Thanks. ;D
I think I saw myself, looks like the camera added ten pounds.
I'm pretty sure that in the last 10 NCAA Tournaments we've had 221 different D3 schools make the tournament.
Only 3 qualified for all 10
St. Thomas
Wooster
Va. Wesleyan
St. Thomas has won the last 10 MIAC regular season titles as well. Not sure about tourney titles though.
Quote from: sac on March 23, 2015, 06:01:34 PM
I'm pretty sure that in the last 10 NCAA Tournaments we've had 221 different D3 schools make the tournament.
Only 3 qualified for all 10
St. Thomas
Wooster
Va. Wesleyan
And of those three, only Wooster went 0 for 10. :(
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 23, 2015, 07:50:16 PM
St. Thomas has won the last 10 MIAC regular season titles as well. Not sure about tourney titles though.
I have St. Thomas as a Pool C in 2010 and 2014. I don't have Pool C's for 06 or 07.
Carleton in 2010 and St. Olaf in 2014 as the MIAC Tournament Champions
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 23, 2015, 02:54:08 PM
In case you missed Salem, here are some of the time lapse videos we shot: http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/salem-civic-center-timelapse (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/salem-civic-center-timelapse)
That's pretty awesome. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: sac on March 23, 2015, 06:01:34 PM
I'm pretty sure that in the last 10 NCAA Tournaments we've had 221 different D3 schools make the tournament.
Only 3 qualified for all 10
St. Thomas
Wooster
Va. Wesleyan
I keep a spreadsheet with teams who've won a game in the tourney each year. Right now, Whitworth and Wooster are the consecutive years leaders, with seven straight years winning at least one tourney game. IWU and VWC both have six years running; Amherst has five. Stevens Point loss game 1 in 2012, or else it would be nine straight.
Oh, and in case you're wondering - 248 schools have won at least one game in the d3 men's tournament since its inception.
Also, with their win this year, IWU finally caught Wittenberg at 20; they are tied for the most total year winning at least one tournament game.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 24, 2015, 06:51:06 AM
Quote from: sac on March 23, 2015, 06:01:34 PM
I'm pretty sure that in the last 10 NCAA Tournaments we've had 221 different D3 schools make the tournament.
Only 3 qualified for all 10
St. Thomas
Wooster
Va. Wesleyan
I keep a spreadsheet with teams who've won a game in the tourney each year. Right now, Whitworth and Wooster are the consecutive years leaders, with seven straight years winning at least one tourney game. IWU and VWC both have six years running; Amherst has five. Stevens Point loss game 1 in 2012, or else it would be nine straight.
Oh, and in case you're wondering - 248 schools have won at least one game in the d3 men's tournament since its inception.
Also, with their win this year, IWU finally caught Wittenberg at 20; they are tied for the most total year winning at least one tournament game.
Does that include wins when they used to play loser's games in the first weekend?
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Quote from: hopefan on March 24, 2015, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 24, 2015, 06:51:06 AM
Quote from: sac on March 23, 2015, 06:01:34 PM
I'm pretty sure that in the last 10 NCAA Tournaments we've had 221 different D3 schools make the tournament.
Only 3 qualified for all 10
St. Thomas
Wooster
Va. Wesleyan
I keep a spreadsheet with teams who've won a game in the tourney each year. Right now, Whitworth and Wooster are the consecutive years leaders, with seven straight years winning at least one tourney game. IWU and VWC both have six years running; Amherst has five. Stevens Point loss game 1 in 2012, or else it would be nine straight.
Oh, and in case you're wondering - 248 schools have won at least one game in the d3 men's tournament since its inception.
Also, with their win this year, IWU finally caught Wittenberg at 20; they are tied for the most total year winning at least one tournament game.
Does that include wins when they used to play loser's games in the first weekend?
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I don't think so. I populated it from the results on d3hoops.com and I don't recall those being listed there. I don't think I'd include those anyway - once you're out, you're out.
We do list the regional third-place games, but as a measure of how meaningless they are, we list them in paragraph form instead of one per line.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
We do list the regional third-place games, but as a measure of how meaningless they are, we list them in paragraph form instead of one per line.
Just to regale you with how it was... those consolation games were or weren't meaningful to the actual teams depending on the given situations...
I was the assistant coach at RPI when our teams made the first two D3 tourneys in 1975 and 1976.
In 1975, we traveled to Brockport the first weekend... I had scouted Brockport the prior weekend and came back feeling they were quicker, bigger, and 'meaner' than us... we frustrated them for about 15 minutes running a very slow, disciplined offense, but once they got going, they ran and boarded us out of the gym and ended up beating us by 13. So the 2nd night we matched up against Albany State (now D1 Albany), a team we were located very close to, played just about every year, and rarely beat. Private school that felt looked down on by the state school year after year.... We were pumped, they weren't, we clobbered them, and had a great 5 hour bus ride home that night...
In 1976, the tables turned.. we had 4 starters back, and had high expectation.. we matched up vs Plattsburgh, had them scouted, felt better than them,.... and got beat... 2nd night, we play RIT, whom we had already beaten twice during the regular season.. you know what happened, we were awful, they beat us... THEY had the fun ride home, our kids went back to the frats with their tales between their legs....
I figured someone would probably say that, but in all honesty, it shouldn't count as an NCAA Tournament game since the teams were already eliminated from the bracket. Your story about Albany is exactly why the game shouldn't count on an NCAA Tournament record. Just like the national third-place game or an ECAC game -- you never know if both teams are actually interested in playing. That's not the case in an NCAA Tournament game.
Pat, I bet that for the Seniors on any D3 team that whether it would be a third place game, an ECAC game or a league All-Star game, that they'd be thrilled to hit the court one last time!
kate - believe it or not... that isn't actually the case. I am running into less and less who want to hit the court, especially in a third-place game, to play a meaningless game. I was a big supporter of it, but one team in particular didn't want to play in it so clearly... it was hard to miss and it soured me on the game(s). We have seen senior-laden teams who just go through the paces. The days of competitive third-place games are long, long gone. And to be honest, I am no longer a fan of the ECAC for the very same reason (along with the financial BS that goes with it). I also think the ECAC loses its luster if you keep playing in it. How excited as D1s when they are constantly in the NIT? Not very when schools start pulling their interest.
The NABC did a terrific job in getting the NCAA (Division III) to replace the third-place game with the all-star game and I promise you there hasn't been one complaint from any team or any senior. They aren't given another game at any other round and they really aren't interested in an exhibition game, either. Now for the women to figure it out. There are many complaining, but apparently not many listening on their side of things. Hopefully that changes.
Although, without that third place game for the women, we'd have one less 2k-1k player out there - I'm guessing it mattered to her.
I'm with you on the ECACs - even though an ECAC championship in the mid-90's (a year we lost the conference final) is the highlight of my alma mater's men's basketball program. It means something to small school without a strong tradition, but those stories come along so infrequently, I don't think the whole thing is worth it.
Even a team like Southern Vermont, which could be in that scenario, brings back a strong core and fully expects to get to the NCAAs next year. I can't imagine ECAC success is super meaningful to them.
Being in Salem and watching consolation games, I can say it's boring. I don't think any of the players care or have that much fun. How can you have fun after spilling your guts in a losing effort the night before.
On the other hand, the players seem to have fun during the all-star game...and even the announcers and refs. The ref actually took the last shot of the all-star game.
Quote from: kate on March 24, 2015, 03:51:11 PM
Pat, I bet that for the Seniors on any D3 team that whether it would be a third place game, an ECAC game or a league All-Star game, that they'd be thrilled to hit the court one last time!
Not always. An ECAC game is still a chance to win a championship (on some level anyway). An All-Star game is just for fun and a nice honor. A third place game? I can't speak for all of them, but in my experience many would rather not.
I used to work at state hockey tournament games where they had a consolation bracket. Many of those turned into chippy, cheap shot contests with seniors who were pissed about losing the night before and knew there was no real consequences to their actions. I've seen that in basketball too.
Quote from: kate on March 24, 2015, 03:51:11 PM
Pat, I bet that for the Seniors on any D3 team that whether it would be a third place game, an ECAC game or a league All-Star game, that they'd be thrilled to hit the court one last time!
Yeah, as Dave says, it's just not true. Lots of cases, kids are bumming because they didn't advance and view a consolation game as exactly that.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2015, 03:29:46 PM
I figured someone would probably say that, but in all honesty, it shouldn't count as an NCAA Tournament game since the teams were already eliminated from the bracket. Your story about Albany is exactly why the game shouldn't count on an NCAA Tournament record. Just like the national third-place game or an ECAC game -- you never know if both teams are actually interested in playing. That's not the case in an NCAA Tournament game.
Perhaps they
shouldn't count, but they
do. If you're citing individual or team records, or all-time W-L marks for various schools, you have to include those consolation games.
I'm not fond of their presence on the historical record, either. Gerald Reece of William Penn went off for 47 points against North Park in a 1981 regional conso, and that stupid scoring record was a millstone around NPU's neck in the NCAA record book until Ben Strong of Guilford (bless him) snapped Reece's record eight years ago. Reece still holds the D3 tourney record for most field goals in a game with the 21 that he made against North Park that night.
(William Penn beat North Park, 85-81, so it wasn't a blowout. It was the final career game of North Park's legendary 2,000-point superstar Michael Thomas, and he scored 38 or something to reasonably counter Reece.)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 25, 2015, 12:01:40 AM
Perhaps they shouldn't count, but they do. If you're citing individual or team records, or all-time W-L marks for various schools, you have to include those consolation games.
I'm perfectly happy referring only to games that occur in the championship bracket. Thankfully most of these games were so long ago that it isn't an issue.
Any word if CBS Sports will be replaying the Championship game or if the NCAA website will be posting the full replay? I know they have the all-star game up and I remember last year watching Whitewater's win online on the NCAA website. To my dismay, my dvr didn't record the game. :'(
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2015, 01:09:42 AM
Any word if CBS Sports will be replaying the Championship game or if the NCAA website will be posting the full replay? I know they have the all-star game up and I remember last year watching Whitewater's win online on the NCAA website. To my dismay, my dvr didn't record the game. :'(
Would be good if it was the case... I was somewhere in Tennessee and Georgia and didn't get to watch it yet.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2015, 03:29:46 PM
I figured someone would probably say that, but in all honesty, it shouldn't count as an NCAA Tournament game since the teams were already eliminated from the bracket. Your story about Albany is exactly why the game shouldn't count on an NCAA Tournament record. Just like the national third-place game or an ECAC game -- you never know if both teams are actually interested in playing. That's not the case in an NCAA Tournament game.
I think I agree with the first bolded part. Being eliminated from a bracket, it seems kind of odd that you're part of the tournament still.
But, whether they
should be part of the tournament or not, they are. So as far as not considering them because one team may not care about playing, eh, so what? Do regular season games not count because some team has been eliminated from contention, and they're just playing out the string, and you can tell from their body language they don't want to be out there?
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Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2015, 01:09:42 AM
Any word if CBS Sports will be replaying the Championship game or if the NCAA website will be posting the full replay? I know they have the all-star game up and I remember last year watching Whitewater's win online on the NCAA website. To my dismay, my dvr didn't record the game. :'(
I didn't have CBS Sports as one of my channels on the day of the game but on Thursday afternoon I upgraded my cable package because they moved the MLB Network into the next tier and by purchasing that tier to get MLB I also got CBS Sports. I went to the program guide to see if they would be showing the DIII Championship game anytime soon.
I was able to advance the programming for that channel all the way through next Thursday April 2nd. They will be showing in the next week, the championship game of the women's Division II NCAA tournament, 2 or 3 games from the CBI Division I tournament (that tournament is a best of 3 finals for schools that didn't get an NIT invite) and will have Louisiana (Monroe) and Loyola (Chicago) playing for the tournament title, several games from a tournament called The College Insider.com Basketball Championship and a host of NCAA Division I replays. There was no mention however of a Division III game. :P Maybe they already replayed it the one time they were going to. ???
I'm hoping Pat or Dave can come on and give us a link that will allow us to watch a replay of the title game. I thought that Pat said earlier there would be a time shortly after the game that we would be able to see a replay, but I may be wrong about that.
I actually emailed them and got a response. The guy didn't think they were planning on re-airing it. I asked if I could get a copy, but no response on that request yet.
I do remember (unless I mis-remembered) watching last year's final on the NCAA website a few days after the Final was played. I haven't found anything except the All-Star game full replay and of coures, the full replays of the semis.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 27, 2015, 08:26:09 AM
I actually emailed them and got a response. The guy didn't think they were planning on re-airing it. I asked if I could get a copy, but no response on that request yet.
I do remember (unless I mis-remembered) watching last year's final on the NCAA website a few days after the Final was played. I haven't found anything except the All-Star game full replay and of coures, the full replays of the semis.
GT, Could I trouble you to let me know what comes of you trying to get a copy of the game?? I'd love to get a copy myself, I wasn't able to watch it due to technical difficulties...was only able to listen to it.
Quote from: tomt4525 on March 27, 2015, 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 27, 2015, 08:26:09 AM
I actually emailed them and got a response. The guy didn't think they were planning on re-airing it. I asked if I could get a copy, but no response on that request yet.
I do remember (unless I mis-remembered) watching last year's final on the NCAA website a few days after the Final was played. I haven't found anything except the All-Star game full replay and of coures, the full replays of the semis.
GT, Could I trouble you to let me know what comes of you trying to get a copy of the game?? I'd love to get a copy myself, I wasn't able to watch it due to technical difficulties...was only able to listen to it.
No problem.
As much as I was amazed to see Stevens Point win the National Championship this year, what makes it even more amazing is how they did it in the tournament. Dating back to Point's first title in 2004, this year's Point team won by an average of 18.5 points a game, 2nd to only Point's 2nd championship in 2005 when they averaged a MOV (margin of victory) of 21.2.
Margin of victory starting with 1st game and ending in the Final. You may want to check my math. LOL
2004-Point: 26, 11, 21, 1 (OT), 25, 2: 14.33 MOV average
2005-Point: 35, 18, 6, 23, 24: 21.2
2006-VWC: 8, 1, 11, 2, 3: 5
2007-Amherst: 17, 23, 12, 7, 13: 14.4
2008-Wash U.: 5, 3, 8, 11, 15, 22: 10.67
2009-Wash U.: 2, 3, 3, 15, 19, 9: 8.5
2010-Point: 1, 15, 7, 16, 12, 5: 9.33
2011-St. Thomas: 10, 8, 2, 16, 2, 24: 10.33
2012-Whitewater: 15, 29, 11, 15, 3: 14.5
2013-Amherst: 17, 27, 19, 8, 17: 17.6
2014-Whitewater: 24, 19, 18, 23, 8, 2: 15.67
2015-Point: 32,17, 20, 17, 9, 16: 18.5
If it's any consolation, Greek, I was also amazed Point won. ;)
However, what might be even more amazing is that in the 12 years you reference, only 6 different teams have won the championship.
Quote from: AndOne on March 27, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
If it's any consolation, Greek, I was also amazed Point won. ;)
However, what might be even more amazing is that in the 12 years you reference, only 6 different teams have won the championship.
Yeah. That is pretty crazy with 4 teams having won it at least twice in just that span.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 27, 2015, 09:20:31 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 27, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
If it's any consolation, Greek, I was also amazed Point won. ;)
However, what might be even more amazing is that in the 12 years you reference, only 6 different teams have won the championship.
Yeah. That is pretty crazy with 4 teams having won it at least twice in just that span.
Obviously UW-Stevens Point should move up to D2 :D
/sarcasm
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 27, 2015, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 27, 2015, 09:20:31 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 27, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
If it's any consolation, Greek, I was also amazed Point won. ;)
However, what might be even more amazing is that in the 12 years you reference, only 6 different teams have won the championship.
Yeah. That is pretty crazy with 4 teams having won it at least twice in just that span.
Obviously UW-Stevens Point should move up to D2 :D
/sarcasm
How about they get to stay in D3, but they have to double their tuition. ;) :o ;D
Only if Whitewater and Mt. Union do the same for football. :-)