Sydney Moss just completed a season in which she did the following:
* Was named Player of the Year by D3hoops; she's a finalist for the coaches' award and I assume she'll win that too
* Led her team to an undefeated season and national championship
* Was named the Tournament's Most Outstanding Player and scored more points in a tournament than any Division III women's player (and we think any NCAA women's player at any level)
* Notched a triple-double in the national championship game against an undefeated opponent
* Finished as the No. 1 scorer in the regular season and NCAA tournament
I'm going to do some research about who's numbers and accolades in a single season might compare on the women's side, but I'm guessing that's a list of one.
Is there anything comparable on the men's side at any point in D3 history?
Again, I'm just talking about a single season here, not greatest of all time over a career. Moss still has one more to go.
Quote from: gordonmann on March 22, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
Sydney Moss just completed a season in which she did the following:
* Was named Player of the Year by D3hoops; she's a finalist for the coaches' award and I assume she'll win that too
* Led her team to an undefeated season and national championship
* Was named the Tournament's Most Outstanding Player and scored more points in a tournament than any Division III women's player (and we think any NCAA women's player at any level)
* Notched a triple-double in the national championship game against an undefeated opponent
* Finished as the No. 1 scorer in the regular season and NCAA tournament
I'm going to do some research about who's numbers and accolades in a single season might compare on the women's side, but I'm guessing that's a list of one.
Is there anything comparable on the men's side at any point in D3 history?
Again, I'm just talking about a single season here, not greatest of all time over a career. Moss still has one more to go.
I don't know all the details but in terms of men's basketball I would definitely look at the season Greg Grant had for Trenton State in 1989. The Lions didn't win the title but he was the MOP of the tournament even while playing for the runner-up.
Found this for you, Gordon, in terms of scoring in a tournament (minimum three games - through 2014 tournament):
Division I - 177—Sheryl Swoopes, Texas Tech, 1993 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_final_four_records_book/2015/tournament.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_final_four_records_book/2015/tournament.pdf))
Division II - 149—Johannah Leedham, Franklin Pierce, 2009 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_champs_records/2014/d2/champs.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_champs_records/2014/d2/champs.pdf))
Division III - 162—Crystal Coleman, Bishop, 1986 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_champs_records/2014/d3/champs.pdf)
Jeff Gibbs, Otterbein 2002
23.2 pts, 16.3 rebounds per game
First player that came to mind.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2015, 04:06:00 PM
Found this for you, Gordon, in terms of scoring in a tournament (minimum three games - through 2014 tournament):
Division I - 177—Sheryl Swoopes, Texas Tech, 1993 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_final_four_records_book/2015/tournament.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_final_four_records_book/2015/tournament.pdf))
Division II - 149—Johannah Leedham, Franklin Pierce, 2009 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_champs_records/2014/d2/champs.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_champs_records/2014/d2/champs.pdf))
Division III - 162—Crystal Coleman, Bishop, 1986 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_champs_records/2014/d3/champs.pdf)
Right -- she broke all those records so I'm sure Gordon is aware of them. :)
Pat - I saw the...
Quote from: gordonmann on March 22, 2015, 12:47:58 PM(and we think any NCAA women's player at any level)
... and was trying to assist.
Thanks for confirming, Dave. I didn't know about d2 so that's helpful.
This gets more interesting, by the way:
Division I MEN: 184, Glen Rice, Michigan, 1989 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_final4/2015/3Tournament.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_final4/2015/3Tournament.pdf))
Division II MEN: 185—Jack Sullivan, Mt. St. Mary's, 1957 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_champs_records/2014/d2/champs.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_champs_records/2014/d2/champs.pdf))
Division III MEN: 177—Michael Nogelo, Williams, 1998 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_champs_records/2014/d3/champs.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_champs_records/2014/d3/champs.pdf))
She has shattered the records for all three divisions in both genders... amazing.
Dave or Gordon,
How many points did she score in the tournament?
211 from looking at the box scores for the six games.
How about Andre Foreman at Salisbury from the early 90s? Was a dominating scorer who also managed to be unselfish with the ball. Certainly one of the best I have ever seen.
Quote from: mailsy on March 23, 2015, 07:47:46 AM
211 from looking at the box scores for the six games.
Thanks mailsy, I was too tired too look up all 6 games at 4 AM. ;D Plus K.
Hmm... actually the total was 197.
Quote from: gordonmann on March 22, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
Sydney Moss just completed a season in which she did the following:
* Was named Player of the Year by D3hoops; she's a finalist for the coaches' award and I assume she'll win that too
* Led her team to an undefeated season and national championship
* Was named the Tournament's Most Outstanding Player and scored more points in a tournament than any Division III women's player (and we think any NCAA women's player at any level)
* Notched a triple-double in the national championship game against an undefeated opponent
* Finished as the No. 1 scorer in the regular season and NCAA tournament
I'm going to do some research about who's numbers and accolades in a single season might compare on the women's side, but I'm guessing that's a list of one.
Is there anything comparable on the men's side at any point in D3 history?
Again, I'm just talking about a single season here, not greatest of all time over a career. Moss still has one more to go.
Ronda Jo Miller, the All-American woman from Gallaudet in the late 1990's and All-Decade team.
( I came across her when I was doing some research on McMurry's Tara Richardson, the Josten winner in 2008. Tara had 2000 points and 1000 rebounds in her career.)
Is she in the picture for Greatest of all time?
Miller might be in the conversation for her career but I'm not aware if her having a single season like Moss did.
After doing some research and some interviews, here's the first piece in what became a series about Sydney Moss and other spectacular individual seasons in Division III women's basketball. I enjoyed talking to the first player to win Division III basketball's version of the triple crown and someone who coached two of the players on the list of elite seasons.
Plus we compiled the major award winners for men's and women's hoops with a quick thought on which player had the greatest season in men's Division III basketball history.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/05/greatest-season-of-all-time-awards
Gordon, a minor error in the article: in 2007, Olivia Lett was still in high school - IWU won the title in 2012.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 23, 2015, 12:05:14 AM
This gets more interesting, by the way:
Division I MEN: 184, Glen Rice, Michigan, 1989 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_final4/2015/3Tournament.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_final4/2015/3Tournament.pdf))
Division II MEN: 185—Jack Sullivan, Mt. St. Mary's, 1957 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_champs_records/2014/d2/champs.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_champs_records/2014/d2/champs.pdf))
Division III MEN: 177—Michael Nogelo, Williams, 1998 (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_champs_records/2014/d3/champs.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_champs_records/2014/d3/champs.pdf))
She has shattered the records for all three divisions in both genders... amazing.
Robinson took 6 games for his 184; Austin Carr, whom I watched play high school ball in DC, had the 2 highest averages-52.7(1970) and 41.7(1971).
Jack Sullivan was the Catholic U women's bball coach around the turn of the century.
Mr. Y:
Thanks.
Quote from: gordonmann on June 07, 2015, 11:44:57 PM
After doing some research and some interviews, here's the first piece in what became a series about Sydney Moss and other spectacular individual seasons in Division III women's basketball. I enjoyed talking to the first player to win Division III basketball's version of the triple crown and someone who coached two of the players on the list of elite seasons.
Plus we compiled the major award winners for men's and women's hoops with a quick thought on which player had the greatest season in men's Division III basketball history.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/05/greatest-season-of-all-time-awards
Awesome work! Thank you!
Sure, thanks for the note.
About 80 percent of the way through it, I felt like I wrote WAY too much about Sydney Moss. I hope the stories on Scranton and Wash U lessened any feeling of one-player overkill (though I do think she's a really special player).
Totally different topic: I just started putting together the 2015 Men's Conference Guidebook (http://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/index) . The UAA, which had the highest winning percentage against D3 opponents last year, had an even higher one in 2014-2015. Something like .740.
QuoteTotally different topic: I just started putting together the 2015 Men's Conference Guidebook . The UAA, which had the highest winning percentage against D3 opponents last year, had an even higher one in 2014-2015. Something like .740.
The NESCAC posted a .757 winning percentage against Division III non-conference opponents last season. Every team except Tufts was over .500 out of conference and the Jumbos were 7-7.