I will be updating this as we go along. Best of luck, everyone.
Venue:
Irwin Field. Tyler, Texas.
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Regional Website:
http://uttylerpatriots.com/ncaabsb/
Teams:
1. Texas-Tyler (34-10)
2. Linfield (30-13)
3. Millsaps (28-12)
4. Whitworth (28-13)
5. Trinity (TX) (33-12)
6. La Verne (24-18)
Team Stats:
Whitworth: .305 Batting Average, 4.02 ERA, .969 Fielding %
Trinity (TX): .324 Batting Average, 2.95 ERA, .963 Fielding %
La Verne: .291 Batting Average, 4.55 ERA, .969 Fielding %
Texas-Tyler: .298 Batting Average, 3.27 ERA, .970 Fielding %
Millsaps: .324 Batting Average, 3.73 ERA, .954 Fielding %
Linfield: .286 Batting Average, 2.93 ERA, .972 Fielding %
Round One:
#1 Texas-Tyler vs. #6 La Verne
La Verne wins 2-0.
#2 Linfield vs. #5 Trinity (TX)
Trinity wins 5-1.
#3 Millsaps vs. #4 Whitworth
Millsaps wins 7-6.
Round Two:
#1 Texas-Tyler vs. #2 Linfield
Linfield wins 9-6.
#6 La Verne vs. #4 Whitworth
La Verne wins 10-3.
#5 Trinity (TX) vs. #3 Millsaps
Trinity wins 5-3.
Round Three:
#6 La Verne vs. #5 Trinity (TX)
Trinity wins 7-4.
#2 Linfield vs. #3 Millsaps
Linfield wins 6-2.
Round Four:
#2 Linfield vs. #6 La Verne
Linfield wins 7-0.
#2 Linfield vs. #5 Trinity (TX)
The first West Regional team is set. The Whitworth Pirates knocked off PLU to win the NWC Tournament. Whitworth made it look easy as they defeated Linfield in their first game, and then beat PLU twice in a row. Somewhat surprisingly, it was the Pirate's pitching that carried them to the championship.
This is a cool story for the Whitworth seniors. They made it to the CWS as freshman, and now they have a chance in their final year. I am really excited to see Scheibe pitch on the national stage again. He was special on their run to the World Series a few years back, and he has been nothing short of dominant this year. In terms of pure pitching "stuff", he has the best in the NWC, hands down. There is a reason he leads the country in strikeouts (100 in 75.2 innings). When he is on, like he was against Linfield, Whitworth can beat anyone in the country.
It looks like the Trinity Tigers are the second team to secure a spot in the West Regional. They join Whitworth as #3 seeds to win their conference tournament. The Tigers battled back from the loser's bracket to defeat Centenary in back-to-back games and secure their bid. Trinity was just 14-10 away from home this season, but they got hot at the right time on their way to the title. While they are down a bit from previous teams, Trinity is as dangerous as ever. And they present a formidable team that has a chance to win the wide open West.
The La Verne Leopards are team number three to make it in. They are the first true wildcard team as they enter with an average 24-18 record. The Leopards squeaked into the SCIAC tournament as a #4 seed after going 18-10 during their league schedule. Clearly, it is best to be an underdog in the West Region, as they are the third low-seeded team to win their conference tournament. They are riding a hot hand as they took down the favorite, Cal Lutheran, to advance to the West Region.
Does the fact that Tyler has a real grass field have any impact on the teams? Weather?
I have enjoyed the past tournaments in McMinnville, but am thrilled not having to go back there.
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 05, 2015, 10:45:10 PM
Does the fact that Tyler has a real grass field have any impact on the teams? Weather?
I don't think it has that much impact on La Verne. Most of the SCIAC is grass (maybe all of it?), and they already get the hot weather as well.
Same goes for Trinity and the ASC schools.
I think the biggest impact will come from whichever NWC school(s) make it in. As far as I know, there are three turf fields in the NWC... Whitworth, PLU, and Linfield. So all three of these potential regional teams would go from playing on turf to dirt (unless they practice on a different field to prepare). It isn't a huge difference, but these three teams had the top fielding % in the NWC. So it could be noticeable.
The weather, meanwhile, should have a positive impact for NWC schools. I know, as a former pitcher, they are going to be a lot more excited to pitch in mid 80's weather as opposed to the 50 degree days they are accustomed to. Again, it isn't much, but it could be the difference between Whitworth's Scheibe being 92 instead of 89 (random example).
And who knows about any potential non-West region schools that they could fly in.
Who knows what will happen with bids but I am pretty sure that PLU and either Concordia or UTT will get a bid depending on who wins the ASC. That should fill out the West with West teams, which will be a welcomed change. That assumes CTX and UTT get to the championship game, which, while likely, is not a foregone conclusion. Regional rankings will be out later today so we will see.
I just checked the long range forecasts and they show some rain, it will be ironic to have rain be an issue after complaining about the potential for it for two years at McMinnville and having beautiful weather there.
Isn't CTX's field turf?
Still shouldn't have a big impact, since they're used to playing most of their road games on grass.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 07, 2015, 01:21:49 PM
Isn't CTX's field turf?
Still shouldn't have a big impact, since they're used to playing most of their road games on grass.
because of weather, they have only played 12 games away from their field this year.
It will be really interesting to see what happens on Monday. With the regional rankings and recent records I am pretty sure that PLU will be in and Linfield will not based on their last 7 games. If CTX and UTT go to the championship game then I imagine both of them will be in, particularly if CTX wins it. I am sure Linfield and CLU are rooting for an early exit by CTX!!! However there is a bunch of baseball to be played in TX this week. Let the gnashing of teeth begin.
1 Pacific Lutheran 27-10-0 ( 0.730) 30-12-0 ( 0.714)
2 Texas-Tyler 29-9-0 ( 0.763) 30-10-0 ( 0.750)
3 Linfield 28-12-0 ( 0.700) 30-13-0 ( 0.698)
4 Cal Lutheran 32-12-0 ( 0.727) 32-12-0 ( 0.727)
5 Concordia (TX) 29-10-0 ( 0.744) 29-10-0 ( 0.744)
6 Whitworth 27-12-0 ( 0.692) 28-13-0 ( 0.683)
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 07, 2015, 08:06:13 PM
It will be really interesting to see what happens on Monday. With the regional rankings and recent records I am pretty sure that PLU will be in and Linfield will not based on their last 7 games. If CTX and UTT go to the championship game then I imagine both of them will be in, particularly if CTX wins it. I am sure Linfield and CLU are rooting for an early exit by CTX!!! However there is a bunch of baseball to be played in TX this week. Let the gnashing of teeth begin.
1 Pacific Lutheran 27-10-0 ( 0.730) 30-12-0 ( 0.714)
2 Texas-Tyler 29-9-0 ( 0.763) 30-10-0 ( 0.750)
3 Linfield 28-12-0 ( 0.700) 30-13-0 ( 0.698)
4 Cal Lutheran 32-12-0 ( 0.727) 32-12-0 ( 0.727)
5 Concordia (TX) 29-10-0 ( 0.744) 29-10-0 ( 0.744)
6 Whitworth 27-12-0 ( 0.692) 28-13-0 ( 0.683)
Very interesting the CTX dropped to 5 this week. They went 2-1 with loss to MHB. Linfield went 2-1, losing to PLU in 10 innings. CLU 3-2 losing in SCIAC final to LV 2x.
I was thinking about this and really have no idea if it would even be considered due to the West being so small (in numbers) but would the NCAA make it an 8-team regional? Last year there were 5 flights, all to the West. If there was an 8-team West Regional there would also be 5 flights. Just a though?
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2015, 10:33:19 AM
I was thinking about this and really have no idea if it would even be considered due to the West being so small (in numbers) but would the NCAA make it an 8-team regional? Last year there were 5 flights, all to the West. If there was an 8-team West Regional there would also be 5 flights. Just a though?
Very interesting thought. As a CLU aficionado, I like the idea.
Even if they awarded the West an 8-team regional, it would not have any effect on who was chosen. The Pool B/C bids are awarded nationally, not regionally. So a larger west regional does not mean more west teams invited. You still need to be one of the top 14 teams on the table in the eyes of the committee when selections are awarded.
+1 you are correct BP, we keep thrashing about talking only about West teams, but there are a number of teams, Birmingham Southern for example, that are ranked higher.
We will know a lot more about the make up in the West in about 3 hours after the CTX and UTT game.
Late add: I just flipped over the the prior game is still going due to rain delays, so not sure when the game will start.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 08, 2015, 06:48:28 PM
Even if they awarded the West an 8-team regional, it would not have any effect on who was chosen. The Pool B/C bids are awarded nationally, not regionally. So a larger west regional does not mean more west teams invited. You still need to be one of the top 14 teams on the table in the eyes of the committee when selections are awarded.
Agreed, but I don't think my point was that there would be 8 West teams invited, just that all of the travel (by air) would/could be in one regional. I can see where my questions sounded as if there would be 8 West teams but that is not what it was supposed to sound like. The West makes up about 10% of D3 and there is no way they would get 8 teams in.
Just got home from dinner and checked the UTT /CTX game and watched Wilson's of UTT hit a 3 run HR in the top of the 9th with 2 out, to go up 6-5 and hold on for the W. They go to the championship game.
It's a long way from here, but Oberlin's (18-26) shocking NCAC championship means Wooster (36-9) will likely get a pool C bid, making it that much harder for a CTX to get one if they don't win the ASC. The Tornadoes face elimination against UT-D this morning, the winner of that game will have to defeat UT-Tyler twice to claim the ASC championship.
BTW, Oberlin had NEVER won a men's NCAC title - in ANY sport - since joining the conference in 1984. They made it to the NCAC championship (defeating Wooster in the process), lost to Wooster 23-6 in their first attempt prior to pulling off the upset in the rubber game, 11-5.
Even though this it is early I am postulating on some seedings:
Assuming UTT wins the ASC.
1. PLU
2. UTT
3. TBD
4. Whitworth
5. Trinity
6. LaVerne
Whitworth could move up to 3 depending on who they bring in. With so many top national seeds getting knocked off I doubt CTX, CLU or Linfield end up in the West, this will really depend on what happens nationally the next two days.
If CTX wins the ASC.
1. PLU
2. UTT
3. Whitworth
4. CTX
5. Trinity
6. LaVerne
With what is happening with the weather and forecasts, (thunderstorms) teams with the deepest pitching should have an advantage with lots of stops and starts possible.
Well things get interestinger....
CTX loses 9-8 in a wild game to TD.
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 09, 2015, 05:14:25 PM
Well things get interestinger....
CTX loses 9-8 in a wild game to TD.
Wild game. I was going to wait on my prediction for the West but I think Concordia losing makes it possible for me to do so right now.
1. UTT or PLU (I think UTT gets it if they win the ASC Championship in 1 game)
2. UTT or PLU
3. UW Stevens Point
4. Whitworth
5. Trinity
6. La Verne
Concordia doesn't get in after adding 2 losses this weekend. They were already behind Cal Lu in the regional rankings and with CLU not getting in, there is no way Concordia would jump them. The reason for UWSP is so the WIAC doesn't have 3 teams in the same regional and thats why Linfield isn't sent to Tyler, if they make it at all, to avoid 3 NWC teams in the same regional. I could also see Birmingham Southern getting shipped to Tyler but I'm pretty sure they would go to Piedmont since it's a bus ride. It will be interesting to see what happens.
And if per chance UTD takes two for the AQ, who stays home, UTT or PLU?
Quote from: Whatagame on May 09, 2015, 05:40:55 PM
And if per chance UTD takes two for the AQ, who stays home, UTT or PLU?
Oh geez, I hadn't even thought about it. I would say neither of them stays home, someone wouldn't be shipped in and it would be an all West regional.
1. PLU
2. UTT
3. Whitworth
4. Trinity
5. La Verne
6. UT Dallas
I would hope that would be the case Jack, and that seeding would feature at least two two fabulous first game pitching match ups- PLU/UTD and Whitworth/Trinity
With UTT winning the ASC, here is my guess:
1. PLU
2. UTT
3. Millsaps
4. Whitworth
5. Trinity
6. LaVerne
I am not sure about rankings so Whitworth and Millsaps they could swap places, but that won't matter with first games.
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 09, 2015, 09:00:53 PM
With UTT winning the ASC, here is my guess:
1. PLU
2. UTT
3. Millsaps
4. Whitworth
5. Trinity
6. LaVerne
I am not sure about rankings so Whitworth and Millsaps they could swap places, but that won't matter with first games.
Millsaps would be a good match since they could bus in but being #5 in the regional rankings plays against them. There have been a lot of upsets in conference tournaments and I'm not sure a #5 RR will be good enough to get them in. However, the NCAA not releasing the final RR's would make an easy way for them to slip Millsaps in and if so, I think it shows that the bean-counters made the decision. I would also think they could be more of a 3-4 seed if they did go there. Here is my updated prediction.
1. UTT
2. PLU
3. UW Stevens Point
4. Whitworth
5. Trinity
6. La Verne
If Millsaps got in, I could see it like this:
1. UTT
2. PLU
3. Millsaps or Whitworth
4. Millsaps or Whitworth
5. Trinity
6. La Verne
It really is a toss-up for the 3-4 seeded teams but I am pretty confident UTT and PLU will be 1-2 (in either order) and Trinity will be 5 and ULV 6. I'll make my prediction on who wins the West once they announce the bracket.
Why would Milsap, if they are #5 I'm their region, earn a pool C bid?
Are we saying the other 4 ahead of them from their region also get in?
And as a #5 they are ranked higher than #4 West?
I agree Linfield will get a Pool C outside of West. They won't have three NWC in same regional pool.
As a regional #5 in west, CTX loss and inability to make finals will drop them out of Top 6.
Or, at the very least drop them to 6.
If TT doesn't get pool A,
TT would drop to #3 or #4 in region.
PLU would get one Pool C bid.
Linfield would get Pool C in another region.
Highest regional rank between TT and CLU gets in as second Pool C.
West 3 seed will be higher ranked than other regions comparable 3&4 seeds.
If TT does get Pool A,
PLU gets one Pool C. Linfield as 3rd in region gets sent out.
CLU would then be west #4 but will be outside looking I as i don't thing the super secret rankings would take #4 in west.
This means another region would get flown in as second Pool C.
So, basically, only Pool A and Pool C from west 1-3 would get in.
Another wrench in the plan is Webster (#1 in Central) losing the SLIAC title. They are a lock for a Pool C now and will likely bump another bubble team out.
BP is correct in that the committee will be looking at National seeds, and then they will look at logical locations. In SOS Millsaps is:
67 Millsaps 27-11 .711 .5376 (111) .5529 0.543
and CLU is:
180 Cal Lutheran 32-12 .727 .5162 (183) .5198 0.517
Millsaps will likely get the nod as they have played a much tougher schedule.
I agree that Linfield will be shipped somewhere other than the West.
I am pretty sure they will seed it like:
1. PLU
2. UTT
3. Millsaps
4. Whitworth
5. Trinity
6. LaVerne
They might give UTT the top seed due to winning their conference, but I am thinking that PLU's SOS will give them the nod.
You know, it's sad enough that we don't get a selection show from the NCAA, but then they issue the release at midnight. If the association wanted to say "we don't give a d*** about a major Division III sport," they've done a fine job.
There's a selection show for freaking Division III ROWING, for crying out loud. Three Pool A bids, three pool B/C bids. Woo.
West Region Hosted by Texas-Tyler, Tyler, Texas
La Verne
Linfield
Millsaps
Texas-Tyler
Trinity (Texas)
Whitworth
PLU is seeded fifth in the South Region (where Birmingham Southern is seeded #1 despite not winning the SAA).
The teams are layed in alpha order...not the actual seeds. The press release that was leaked was the one sent to schools so they can start making travel arrangement. Seeds should hopefully be released today.
Example...there is no way Cortland is the 8 seed in their regional. Haha
every region but one is listed alphabetically in the press release.
Thanks for pointing that out. I was wondering why sub-.500 Oberlin was a middle seed in their region. :o
108- Great call on Millsaps being shipped in.
My thoughts on the seeding and matchups.
1. UT Tyler
2. Linfield
3. Millsaps
4. Whitworth
5. Trinity
6. La Verne
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 09, 2015, 07:34:22 AM
It's a long way from here, but Oberlin's (18-26) shocking NCAC championship means Wooster (36-9) will likely get a pool C bid, making it that much harder for a CTX to get one if they don't win the ASC. The Tornadoes face elimination against UT-D this morning, the winner of that game will have to defeat UT-Tyler twice to claim the ASC championship.
BTW, Oberlin had NEVER won a men's NCAC title - in ANY sport - since joining the conference in 1984. They made it to the NCAC championship (defeating Wooster in the process), lost to Wooster 23-6 in their first attempt prior to pulling off the upset in the rubber game, 11-5.
Apocalyptic, to say the least. LOL
Signs of the end times!
The NCAA has finally posted the exact same information as was posted by d3baseball.com earlier today - only they have put seedings in despite it still bring organized alphabetically (except Curry). What a bunch of idiots.
http://on.ncaa.com/1QBrCVu
Jack I agree with you on the seeding. From a practical standpoint they will not want Linfield and Whitworth to match up in game one and they have shifted seeding in the past so this does not happen. In the last regional ranking Tyler was above Linfield and would move up after winning their regional for the top seed. That seeding would reward UTT for winning their conference. The rest is logical to achieve the first game match ups.
I wonder what the logic was shipping PLU off to the South? I would think that it would be advantageous to stay in your region vs shipping Linfield to the South. Certainly from a travel standpoint it is more difficult to go to the South. I will be curious where they seed them in the South.
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 09, 2015, 11:02:43 PM
I agree Linfield will get a Pool C outside of West. They won't have three NWC in same regional pool.
As a regional #5 in west, CTX loss and inability to make finals will drop them out of Top 6.
Or, at the very least drop them to 6.
If TT doesn't get pool A,
TT would drop to #3 or #4 in region.
PLU would get one Pool C bid.
Linfield would get Pool C in another region.
Highest regional rank between TT and CLU gets in as second Pool C.
West 3 seed will be higher ranked than other regions comparable 3&4 seeds.
If TT does get Pool A,
PLU gets one Pool C. Linfield as 3rd in region gets sent out.
CLU would then be west #4 but will be outside looking I as i don't thing the super secret rankings would take #4 in west.
This means another region would get flown in as second Pool C.
So, basically, only Pool A and Pool C from west 1-3 would get in.
I must say I'm surprised they sent PLU to South.
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 11, 2015, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 09, 2015, 11:02:43 PM
I agree Linfield will get a Pool C outside of West. They won't have three NWC in same regional pool.
As a regional #5 in west, CTX loss and inability to make finals will drop them out of Top 6.
Or, at the very least drop them to 6.
If TT doesn't get pool A,
TT would drop to #3 or #4 in region.
PLU would get one Pool C bid.
Linfield would get Pool C in another region.
Highest regional rank between TT and CLU gets in as second Pool C.
West 3 seed will be higher ranked than other regions comparable 3&4 seeds.
If TT does get Pool A,
PLU gets one Pool C. Linfield as 3rd in region gets sent out.
CLU would then be west #4 but will be outside looking I as i don't thing the super secret rankings would take #4 in west.
This means another region would get flown in as second Pool C.
So, basically, only Pool A and Pool C from west 1-3 would get in.
I must say I'm surprised they sent PLU to South.
They broke up the NWC triplets. As a Pool C, PLU was more "flexible".
D3Baseball.com prognostications had Linfield being flown out of the West Regional, to the Mid-East.
Quick look at basic stats for the teams.
Whitworth: .305 Batting Average, 4.02 ERA, .969 Fielding %
Trinity (TX): .324 Batting Average, 2.95 ERA, .963 Fielding %
La Verne: .291 Batting Average, 4.55 ERA, .969 Fielding %
Texas-Tyler: .298 Batting Average, 3.27 ERA, .970 Fielding %
Millsaps: .324 Batting Average, 3.73 ERA, .954 Fielding %
Linfield: .286 Batting Average, 2.93 ERA, .972 Fielding %
Ralph I get that they were going to fly a team out of NWest. It seems to me that it would have been more advantageous to play in the West than vs the South, but maybe they committee thought it the other way around. From a parent, family, fan perspective it will create a nightmare to get there on short notice. Maybe they thought the South was weaker?
Seems like any team not named Linfield out the NWest gets the shaft.
The other thing I do not like is the West - South pool match up at the CWS. Not sure if others noticed this.
Can we finally get an ASC team in the World Series. We (2002 College World Series team) are getting old. :)
The latest update on the site here says:
West Region Hosted by Texas-Tyler, Tyler, Texas
No. 3 Millsaps vs. No. 4 Whitworth
No. 2 Trinity (Texas) vs. No. 5 Linfield
No. 1 UT-Tyler vs. No. 6 La Verne
Have to say that seed for never-RRO Trinity comes as a surprise.
Well their reward as the #2 seed would be getting to face Haddeland off that bat. Maybe Trinity can exact some revenge after he pretty much stopped them from making the World Series two seasons ago.
*EDIT* Ron, the NCAA site shows Linfield as the home team for that matchup. Are you sure they aren't the #2 and Trinity is #5?
I believe Trinity would be the 5 seed based on previous regional rankings.
Likely pitching match ups for game 2. Should be a great game.
Haddeland, Chris.... 1.64 7-2 13 13 4 3/1 0 99.0 80 28 18 19 61 13 0 0 353 .227 4 10 0 1 8
Ryan Gray........... 1.81 7-0 12 7 0 0/2 2 54.2 28 13 11 19 61 1 1 2 189 .148 8 2 0 0 5
Those rankings are just alphabetical order... The actual seeding should be:
1. Texas-Tyler
2. Linfield
3. Millsaps
4. Whitworth
5. Trinity
6. La Verne
Maybe an underrated regional rivalry starting to brew...although somewhat one sided...Linfield has knocked Trinity out of the Regional in 2011, 2013, and I believe last year in 2014 as well. Trinity will really want to get a little payback and their first game gives them a chance to do just that.
True that. And Whitworth knocked them out in the regional championship in 2012...
Trinity could have multiple chances to exorcise some demons.
I think Trinity just wants revenge on the NWC in general since they have dominated the regional ever since the regression of Chapman
Here is link to Regional Website:
http://uttylerpatriots.com/ncaabsb/
I have also updated the first page of this post, where you can find most info.
Anyone know how the UTT field drains? I watched some of the ASC championship games and they were start/stop due to rain and lightning, I suspect the same thing for at least Weds/Thursday. Curious how the field holds up to a rain burst.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2015, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 11, 2015, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 09, 2015, 11:02:43 PM
I agree Linfield will get a Pool C outside of West. They won't have three NWC in same regional pool.
As a regional #5 in west, CTX loss and inability to make finals will drop them out of Top 6.
Or, at the very least drop them to 6.
If TT doesn't get pool A,
TT would drop to #3 or #4 in region.
PLU would get one Pool C bid.
Linfield would get Pool C in another region.
Highest regional rank between TT and CLU gets in as second Pool C.
West 3 seed will be higher ranked than other regions comparable 3&4 seeds.
If TT does get Pool A,
PLU gets one Pool C. Linfield as 3rd in region gets sent out.
CLU would then be west #4 but will be outside looking I as i don't thing the super secret rankings would take #4 in west.
This means another region would get flown in as second Pool C.
So, basically, only Pool A and Pool C from west 1-3 would get in.
I must say I'm surprised they sent PLU to South.
They broke up the NWC triplets. As a Pool C, PLU was more "flexible".
D3Baseball.com prognostications had Linfield being flown out of the West Regional, to the Mid-East.
Ralph,
My surprise wasn't that they sent a NWC out of region. I had predicted they would for some time now.
My surprise is that they didn't leave the NWC regular season winner (PLU) in the West and ship the lowest Pool C NWC team out.
PLU was #1/#2 in the West. Shipping the #1/#2 team PLU out and keeping lower seeded Linfield in West wasn't an intuitive move.
Doing so has weakened the West region.
Before anyone objects: by default, shipping #1 or #2 out and keeping #3 means you have shipped what the West thinks is top 2 team out and kept a lower ranked team that is 1-4 against PLU. To me, that means the stronger team was shipped out and the weaker of 2 was kept.
Given both are Pool C, flexibility wasn't the reason.. so what was?
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 11, 2015, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2015, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 11, 2015, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 09, 2015, 11:02:43 PM
I agree Linfield will get a Pool C outside of West. They won't have three NWC in same regional pool.
As a regional #5 in west, CTX loss and inability to make finals will drop them out of Top 6.
Or, at the very least drop them to 6.
If TT doesn't get pool A,
TT would drop to #3 or #4 in region.
PLU would get one Pool C bid.
Linfield would get Pool C in another region.
Highest regional rank between TT and CLU gets in as second Pool C.
West 3 seed will be higher ranked than other regions comparable 3&4 seeds.
If TT does get Pool A,
PLU gets one Pool C. Linfield as 3rd in region gets sent out.
CLU would then be west #4 but will be outside looking I as i don't thing the super secret rankings would take #4 in west.
This means another region would get flown in as second Pool C.
So, basically, only Pool A and Pool C from west 1-3 would get in.
I must say I'm surprised they sent PLU to South.
They broke up the NWC triplets. As a Pool C, PLU was more "flexible".
D3Baseball.com prognostications had Linfield being flown out of the West Regional, to the Mid-East.
Ralph,
My surprise wasn't that they sent a NWC out of region. I had predicted they would for some time now.
My surprise is that they didn't leave the NWC regular season winner (PLU) in the West and ship the lowest Pool C NWC team out.
PLU was #1/#2 in the West. Shipping the #1/#2 team PLU out and keeping lower seeded Linfield in West wasn't an intuitive move.
Doing so has weakened the West region.
Before anyone objects: by default, shipping #1 or #2 out and keeping #3 means you have shipped what the West thinks is top 2 team out and kept a lower ranked team that is 1-4 against PLU. To me, that means the stronger team was shipped out and the weaker of 2 was kept.
Given both are Pool C, flexibility wasn't the reason.. so what was?
I am guessing the flexibility would still be the reason. This is purely speculation on my part...
PLU will be flying out of Seattle-Tacoma Airport. They likely will go direct to Georgia. They could go direct anywhere.
Linfield will be flying out of Portland airport. They likely will go direct to Texas. They likely can't go direct anywhere.
Seattle airport is much larger than Portland. There is a good chance Linfield would've required two flights to Georgia whereas PLU can fly direct.
It is likely much cheaper to send PLU to the South and keep Linfield in the West.
In summation... it's all about them dollars.
Disclaimer, I could be completely off here.
Quote from: Westside on May 11, 2015, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 11, 2015, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2015, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 11, 2015, 09:56:20 AM
I must say I'm surprised they sent PLU to South.
They broke up the NWC triplets. As a Pool C, PLU was more "flexible".
D3Baseball.com prognostications had Linfield being flown out of the West Regional, to the Mid-East.
Ralph,
My surprise wasn't that they sent a NWC out of region. I had predicted they would for some time now.
My surprise is that they didn't leave the NWC regular season winner (PLU) in the West and ship the lowest Pool C NWC team out.
PLU was #1/#2 in the West. Shipping the #1/#2 team PLU out and keeping lower seeded Linfield in West wasn't an intuitive move.
Doing so has weakened the West region.
Before anyone objects: by default, shipping #1 or #2 out and keeping #3 means you have shipped what the West thinks is top 2 team out and kept a lower ranked team that is 1-4 against PLU. To me, that means the stronger team was shipped out and the weaker of 2 was kept.
Given both are Pool C, flexibility wasn't the reason.. so what was?
I am guessing the flexibility would still be the reason. This is purely speculation on my part...
PLU will be flying out of Seattle-Tacoma Airport. They likely will go direct to Georgia. They could go direct anywhere.
Linfield will be flying out of Portland airport. They likely will go direct to Texas. They likely can't go direct anywhere.
Seattle airport is much larger than Portland. There is a good chance Linfield would've required two flights to Georgia whereas PLU can fly direct.
It is likely much cheaper to send PLU to the South and keep Linfield in the West.
In summation... it's all about them dollars.
Disclaimer, I could be completely off here.
Sounds reasonable and much better than any other possible reason for #1/2 in West to be #2 in SE.
Delta has only 3 non-stops PDX to Atl on Tuesday, including only 1 early am. but, chances there were enough available seats are remote.
Delta has only 3 non-stops ATL to PDX on Sunday, including early am. But, again, chances there were enough available seats are remote.
There are 7 non-stops SEA to ATL on Tuesday, including 3 in early am.
There are 8 non-stops ATL to SEA on Sunday, including 3-4 in late am/noon.
Westside, the bean counters do have an impact. I think that was the reason that Millsaps came to Tyler. One fewer flight and it broke up a SAA Trifecta (BSC, Rhodes and Millsaps.)
In the West and South Regionals, I think that the "weakest" team might be Methodist, and they were #12 in last weeks NCBWA/D3baseball.com Poll. Go figure.
I believe that the West Region has about 15-17 teams that were playoff quality this year and that same number in most years. We are a very broad region with depth and talent well distributed.
ASC _ UTT, CTX, UTD and maybe LeTU
NWC PLU, Linfield, Whitworth and maybe George Fox
SCAC Trinity TX, Centenary LA, TLU and even Southwestern had quality wins
SCIAC 5-6 deep CLU, Pomona-Pitzer, Redlands, La Verne Redlands, Oxy and maybe Chapman.
The season goes on! I remember how tough it was in 2009 and 2010 that very good, 30 win PLU teams were (31 and 30 respectively) left off the invite list for the regionals. In 2009, PLU tied George Fox for the title, and lost a one game playoff (soundly) at George Fox. The next year, the lost at Linfield to end the seasons. Both really tough ways to end the season, even at the hands of talented teams. The door is open...Never know how seeding and locations will make a difference. I say...enjoy the ride. It isn't often, and all these teams are very good! Should be a great West Regional.
For PLU, there are some very good teams playing in Georgia as well. The baseball field and Piedmont College looks amazing. If I were going, I would be very interested in checking out the Johnny Mize displays on campus. The Chicago style Pizza place in town has great reviews. Bring your camera, take some time to see a new part of the country. It looks to be warm on the 13th, and good to have an earlier game on the schedule. Like I say, enjoy the ride!
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 09, 2015, 11:02:43 PM
My surprise is that they didn't leave the NWC regular season winner (PLU) in the West and ship the lowest Pool C NWC team out.
PLU was #1/#2 in the West. Shipping the #1/#2 team PLU out and keeping lower seeded Linfield in West wasn't an intuitive move.
Doing so has weakened the West region.
Before anyone objects: by default, shipping #1 or #2 out and keeping #3 means you have shipped what the West thinks is top 2 team out and kept a lower ranked team that is 1-4 against PLU. To me, that means the stronger team was shipped out and the weaker of 2 was kept.
Given both are Pool C, flexibility wasn't the reason.. so what was?
I agree with SoCalSox and think the team and fans of PLU got the shaft, I am sure families are now re booking and looking for hotels, cars, etc. While it is exciting and fun it is also very expensive.
I personally think that the committee gave Linfield the presidence based on their history, and name, which is unfortunate.
Oh well, play on, it gives me one more team to root for outside of the region.
Quote from: BamColt on May 11, 2015, 10:41:24 AM
Can we finally get an ASC team in the World Series. We (2002 College World Series team) are getting old. :)
Or instead...2 NWC teams punching tickets to Appleton...I like the sound of that ;D
Quote from: Westside on May 11, 2015, 01:42:45 PM
I am guessing the flexibility would still be the reason. This is purely speculation on my part...
PLU will be flying out of Seattle-Tacoma Airport. They likely will go direct to Georgia. They could go direct anywhere.
Linfield will be flying out of Portland airport. They likely will go direct to Texas. They likely can't go direct anywhere.
Seattle airport is much larger than Portland. There is a good chance Linfield would've required two flights to Georgia whereas PLU can fly direct.
It is likely much cheaper to send PLU to the South and keep Linfield in the West.
In summation... it's all about them dollars.
Disclaimer, I could be completely off here.
+1! Thanks for the travel check. RJT
A little insider info for you all. Linfield and Whitworth are both flying from Portland to Tyler tonight, on the same plane. Could make for an interesting flight! ;D
Linfield played some early season games in Arizona against both LaVerne and UTDallas. They went 4-0, beating LaVerne 13-5 & 10-7, and UTD 6-0 and 22-10. Although the games were very early in the season, it is interesting that UTD did pretty well in the ASC tournament. It is going to be fun seeing how this all plays out. On their second trip to AZ, the Wildcats beat Wesleyan and Concordia-Chicago, who are in the New England and Midwest brackets respectively.
Looking at the other regionals, it certainly seems like the South and West regionals are pretty loaded with ranked and 30+ win teams. Both the New England and NY regionals look very weak in comparison, and that is even with the NCAA shipping three ranked teams out of the South.
LINFIELD happy to be invited. :-*
I think the WEST will be a tough regional and I feel like a few teams could win it but I am going with UT Tyler as the champion. I also think Trinity has a very good shot if their offense arrives with their pitching. If Trinity puts both together, I see them walking away and earning a trip to Appleton. Should be a lot of great baseball played in East Texas.
Speaking of East Texas, safe travels to those going to watch and enjoy the scenery East Texas has to offer while driving<sarcasm>.
Seriously though, does everyone here realize how amazing the last two West regionals have been?? Take a quick look at all the scores from the games... I will highlight the one-run games.
2014: 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, 3-2, 4-1, 5-2, 3-2, 2-1, 9-7 (12 innings), 4-2.
2013: 2-0, 1-0, 4-3 (11 innings), 4-3, 8-3, 4-2, 4-3, 3-2, 3-1, 3-2, 3-1.
Literally every game but one has been decided by three runs or less over the last two regionals :o
As far as tomorrow goes:
Texas-Tyler vs. La Verne: La Verne looks like a clear underdog... UTT should take care of business.
Linfield vs. Trinity: This should actually be the first time Haddeland starts against Trinity, as every other appearance has been in relief.
Millsaps vs. Whitworth: I think that Scheibe can beat anyone in the country right now. And I think he keeps on rolling.
Good luck to all the teams competing.
A few "ifs" regarding Whitworth, that could make them a real contender..... If Scheibe can collect an economical W in game one, allowing him to log more innings at near full strength later in the regional......
If Cory Mack can perform to the level of pure stuff that he shows, more in line like he started flashing again late in the season......
I'm betting there will be more offense overall this year over previous West regionals, the new balls have seemed to make a difference.
I am not going to make any predictions other than the weather will likely be a problem for the first couple of days. There could be some start/stops in some of the games that may complicate pitching the last games could be very late at night. (or not depending...)
I agree that La Verne could surprise Tyler as it does not look like Tyler has a number 1 who is dominant.
Linfield vs Trinity will be a battle likely decided by one run.
If Millsaps is like any other Millsaps team I have seen Scheibe will not have an economical game, they will battle him to the last out.
Looking forward to some great baseball.
PS: I am still shaking my head <rattle... rattle... rattle> that PLU got shipped to the South and has to face Emory, BMS, Rhodes, & Marietta. So this is the reward for being the top rated team in the West? Give me a break.
Hmmm ...
Pine Trees, overcast skies, temperature in the mid 60's, rain and sprinkles...
Am I in McMinnville, Texas?
http://(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1108.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh402%2Fjoebush266%2F246b85b1-c5af-4c5c-98ec-a3bb9c48afa9.jpg&hash=44c756aedf12b91703755f9f5833dfa0265619b1) (http://s1108.photobucket.com/user/joebush266/media/246b85b1-c5af-4c5c-98ec-a3bb9c48afa9.jpg.html)
McMinnville TX
Crash can just squint and pretend. OK start complaining.....
Ha ha the Mcminville forcast is dry all weekend, the pine tree covered hillsides, the wineries...
Quote from: Whatagame on May 12, 2015, 09:51:35 PM
Ha ha the Mcminville forcast is dry all weekend, the pine tree covered hillsides, the wineries...
Kiepersol Estates is the local winery in Tyler.
Oenophiles should check it out. I understand it is a good winery.
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 12, 2015, 07:10:39 PM
PS: I am still shaking my head <rattle... rattle... rattle> that PLU got shipped to the South and has to face Emory, BMS, Rhodes, & Marietta. So this is the reward for being the top rated team in the West? Give me a break.
If the West region is as good as West-region-followers all claim it is, then PLU actually caught a break by being shipped out. Thinking otherwise is admitting the West isn't as strong from the outside as those on the inside feel it is.
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 12, 2015, 09:05:22 PM
http://(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1108.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh402%2Fjoebush266%2F246b85b1-c5af-4c5c-98ec-a3bb9c48afa9.jpg&hash=44c756aedf12b91703755f9f5833dfa0265619b1) (http://s1108.photobucket.com/user/joebush266/media/246b85b1-c5af-4c5c-98ec-a3bb9c48afa9.jpg.html)
McMinnville TX
Crash can just squint and pretend. OK start complaining.....
I chuckled a little when I saw the weather report. I'm sure Crash is going to be fine with the weather in Texas...it's a "dry rain", you know.
On a more somber note, the weather in east Texas has been severe at times.
Van, Texas is 25 miles west of Tyler on I-20.
http://www.tylerpaper.com/TP-News+Local/219551/friends-remember-couple-killed-in-van-tornado
For those of you who may have been jaded by decades of urban life and the cynicism that it breeds, east Texas is still a lot like Mayberry. We take care of our own.
(Team building experience for the teams coming to Tyler...
putting on work gloves and helping to fill the dumpsters with the debris from the tornado.
The citizens of Van will appreciate it. In fact you might get some real home cooking.)
QuoteFrom the article...
In the immediate aftermath of Sunday's tornado, 14 year old Emmanuel Vasquez had joined his father and brother to a field near the Tapley's home.
"[It was] shocking," Vasquez said. "I couldn't move at all. All I did was yell."
He was hoping to find his neighbors alive. But several yards from where the couple's home once stood, Vasquez said he found their remains.
"I saw something and I got close to it," he said. "And it was the lady and then the man. So I just froze for a moment. And then I screamed for my dad."
Mayo said it was almost a relief that the couple passed away together, just as they'd lived so much of their life.
Miraculously, Vasquez said, one of their dogs had survived the ordeal and was alive in David's arms. Even more amazing was that David's Bible was open to a page out of the book of James which cautions believers not to be discouraged by the trials of life. It says they're a test of endurance on the way to heaven. ...
La Verne leads UT-Tyler after 5 innings, 1-0.
Both pitchers have looked solid, though La Verne has been playing with fire lately. UT-Tyler continues to get men on base, but they have been unable to score.
Does anyone know why La Verne is the home team, as the #6 seed? I feel like other regionals have their #1 seeds as the home team.
Quote from: Westside on May 13, 2015, 02:09:49 PM
Does anyone know why La Verne is the home team, as the #6 seed? I feel like other regionals have their #1 seeds as the home team.
according to the LIVE stats on the d3baseball scores page, UT-Tyler is the home team.
http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2015/regionals-schedule?date=2015-05-13
Well I am watching the game, and La Verne is definitely the home team :)
2-0 La Verne leads after 7 full.
^^^ I believe you, that's just odd though. Usually the NCAA hand book is pretty clear on all of those things.
By the way, if anyone is in tyler watching the games, hope you have your umbrella handy. I live in Fort Worth and it's raining like crazy here, and heading your way. should be there in a few hours, if not sooner. Good luck!
I knew ULV had no interest in what I said about them
The 4th place SCIAC team just won 2-0
From the handbook.. The West must not have been a seeded regional..
Determination oF home teams
For first-round games during regional competition when teams are seeded, the highest-seeded team shall be designated as the home team. If there are no seeds, the home team shall be determined by a coin flip.
Also of note from the handbook given the weather conditions.
If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by Monday, May 19, one team will be selected by the committee.
Quote from: Bmo on May 13, 2015, 03:51:24 PM
From the handbook.. The West must not have been a seeded regional..
Determination oF home teams
For first-round games during regional competition when teams are seeded, the highest-seeded team shall be designated as the home team. If there are no seeds, the home team shall be determined by a coin flip.
Also of note from the handbook given the weather conditions.
If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by Monday, May 19, one team will be selected by the committee.
So every Regional was seeded except the West? That's really dumb, and funny.....who makes that decision?
Quote from: Whatagame on May 13, 2015, 04:01:50 PM
Quote from: Bmo on May 13, 2015, 03:51:24 PM
From the handbook.. The West must not have been a seeded regional..
Determination oF home teams
For first-round games during regional competition when teams are seeded, the highest-seeded team shall be designated as the home team. If there are no seeds, the home team shall be determined by a coin flip.
Also of note from the handbook given the weather conditions.
If the regional representative cannot be determined on the field of play by Monday, May 19, one team will be selected by the committee.
So every Regional was seeded except the West? That's really dumb, and funny.....who makes that decision?
More to the point it was the
absence of a decision that created this situation...
Our good friends in the NCAA not doing their job again, surprise, surprise.
Linfield (Haddeland) v Trinity (Gray) about to start, and Trinity is the home team giving more credence to the NCAA not seeding. Live video/stats: http://portal.stretchinternet.com/uttyler/stats.htm?eventId=217248&streamType=stats
Quote from: Purple Heys on May 13, 2015, 03:10:41 PM
I knew ULV had no interest in what I said about them
The 4th place SCIAC team just won 2-0
Congrats to LV.
During CLU's closing 12-3 stretch, their only 3 losses were to LV.
We know what their top starters and their freshman closer can do!
After two innings, Trinity up 4-0 on Linfield. All the damage was done in the opening inning.
Kudos to Trinity for those early runs but dang that was unfortunate for Haddeland. Neither team has hit a single ball hard.
Linfield's offense not quite like it was in the past few seasons ;D
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 13, 2015, 04:40:24 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on May 13, 2015, 03:10:41 PM
I knew ULV had no interest in what I said about them
The 4th place SCIAC team just won 2-0
Congrats to LV.
During CLU's closing 12-3 stretch...
...in other words right after getting dumped twice in a row by WC 8-)
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Our good friends in the NCAA not doing their job again, surprise, surprise.
Linfield (Haddeland) v Trinity (Gray) about to start, and Trinity is the home team giving more credence to the NCAA not seeding. Live video/stats: http://portal.stretchinternet.com/uttyler/stats.htm?eventId=217248&streamType=stats
If the teams were not seeded, how were the match-ups decided?
Quote from: Whatagame on May 13, 2015, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Our good friends in the NCAA not doing their job again, surprise, surprise.
Linfield (Haddeland) v Trinity (Gray) about to start, and Trinity is the home team giving more credence to the NCAA not seeding. Live video/stats: http://portal.stretchinternet.com/uttyler/stats.htm?eventId=217248&streamType=stats
If the teams were not seeded, how were the match-ups decided?
Coin flip? Random draw? Number of vowels combined in pitcher's last names?
All games suspended until 10AM Thursday. Gray has a no-no going thru 5, too bad the rains came.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: Whatagame on May 13, 2015, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Our good friends in the NCAA not doing their job again, surprise, surprise.
Linfield (Haddeland) v Trinity (Gray) about to start, and Trinity is the home team giving more credence to the NCAA not seeding. Live video/stats: http://portal.stretchinternet.com/uttyler/stats.htm?eventId=217248&streamType=stats
If the teams were not seeded, how were the match-ups decided?
Coin flip? Random draw? Number of vowels combined in pitcher's last names?
All games suspended until 10AM Thursday. Gray has a no-no going thru 5, too bad the rains came.
Yes, I was watching some of the LIN/TU game, Gray looked very, very tough - really impressive. BTW, PLU came from behind to defeat Emory 9 - 6. I really enjoyed the South Region broadcast, the Piedmont pitching coach was doing the color commentary and he's great - quite insightful. Garret Brown was absolutely nails for PLU in long relief.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 13, 2015, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 12, 2015, 07:10:39 PM
PS: I am still shaking my head <rattle... rattle... rattle> that PLU got shipped to the South and has to face Emory, BMS, Rhodes, & Marietta. So this is the reward for being the top rated team in the West? Give me a break.
If the West region is as good as West-region-followers all claim it is, then PLU actually caught a break by being shipped out. Thinking otherwise is admitting the West isn't as strong from the outside as those on the inside feel it is.
Congratulations on PLU defeating Emory 9-6 after falling behind 3-0 and 5-3; Good luck tomorrow.
Quote from: Whatagame on May 13, 2015, 07:48:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: Whatagame on May 13, 2015, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Our good friends in the NCAA not doing their job again, surprise, surprise.
Linfield (Haddeland) v Trinity (Gray) about to start, and Trinity is the home team giving more credence to the NCAA not seeding. Live video/stats: http://portal.stretchinternet.com/uttyler/stats.htm?eventId=217248&streamType=stats
If the teams were not seeded, how were the match-ups decided?
Coin flip? Random draw? Number of vowels combined in pitcher's last names?
All games suspended until 10AM Thursday. Gray has a no-no going thru 5, too bad the rains came.
Yes, I was watching some of the LIN/TU game, Gray looked very, very tough - really impressive. BTW, PLU came from behind to defeat Emory 9 - 6. I really enjoyed the South Region broadcast, the Piedmont pitching coach was doing the color commentary and he's great - quite insightful. Garret Brown was absolutely nails for PLU in long relief.
Speaking of broadcast quality, you really should check out Wartburg's KnightVision streams. Best feed quality I've ever seen from a D3 broadcast...
The weather forecast for Tyler is pretty ominous through the weekend. Accuweather is calling for thunderstorms every day, and Saturday is the only day with less than three hours of storms forecast. If this is accurate, it could make for a very fractured and haphazard regional. Is it too late to relocate to McMinnville, Tacoma, or the LA area?
UPDATE:
Gray loses the no hit bid to the leadoff hitter in the 8th inning. Pretty impressive coming back after throwing a decent amount yesterday and trying to finish the game off today.
Impressive?? Kudos to him, but that is straight negligence to let a kid throw 70+ pitches and come back and start the next day. Especially when the kid is a fringe prospect with a chance to play pro ball. I get it if this is his last game ever, but he will likely throw again this year and he is only a junior. I know how many great arms Trinity has in their bullpen. It seems silly that they would allow that to happen.
Also, it appears that the tournament director didn't realize that the seeds were supposed to determine the home and away... So while every single other region did it right, the west did a coin flip before the games.
Quote from: Westside on May 14, 2015, 11:58:09 AM
Impressive?? Kudos to him, but that is straight negligence to let a kid throw 70+ pitches and come back and start the next day. Especially when the kid is a fringe prospect with a chance to play pro ball. I get it if this is his last game ever, but he will likely throw again this year and he is only a junior. I know how many great arms Trinity has in their bullpen. It seems silly that they would allow that to happen.
Also, it appears that the tournament director didn't realize that the seeds were supposed to determine the home and away... So while every single other region did it right, the west did a coin flip before the games.
Add to that the simply unwatchable quality of the video feed the last two days.
I'm against it too, but it is no different than what Brosius did with Haddeland two years ago in the Regional. Was Brosius negligent then?
Agreed with the feed starting and stopping every 5 seconds makes it nearly unwatchable
Quote from: Johnny Wholestaff on May 14, 2015, 12:06:56 PM
I'm against it too, but it is no different than what Brosius did with Haddeland two years ago in the Regional. Was Brosius negligent then?
The two situations are similar, but you can't say they are the same.
For Gray:
Day 1: 70 pitches (guessing)
Day 2: 70 pitches (guessing)
In 2013, for Haddeland, it was:
Day 1: 112 pitches
Day 2: 0 pitches
Day 3: 19 pitches
Day 4: 63 pitches
So Haddeland never started back to back days. He had a day off after his start and then came in in relief two days in a row.
Quote from: CAK72B on May 14, 2015, 12:07:46 PM
Agreed with the feed starting and stopping every 5 seconds makes it nearly unwatchable
Yep, there is no excuse for not getting that right.
Congrats to Trinity. Ballgame.
The "first" day is taking a bit longer than usual, but hopefully the regional will have smooth sailing from here.
Whitworth and Millsaps coming up next.
Quote from: Westside on May 14, 2015, 12:15:42 PM
Quote from: Johnny Wholestaff on May 14, 2015, 12:06:56 PM
I'm against it too, but it is no different than what Brosius did with Haddeland two years ago in the Regional. Was Brosius negligent then?
The two situations are similar, but you can't say they are the same.
For Gray:
Day 1: 70 pitches (guessing)
Day 2: 70 pitches (guessing)
In 2013, for Haddeland, it was:
Day 1: 112 pitches
Day 2: 0 pitches
Day 3: 19 pitches
Day 4: 63 pitches
So Haddeland never started back to back days. He had a day off after his start and then came in in relief two days in a row.
That's a fair point about the off day, but I don't think it is fair say it fair to call what Gray did "starting back-to-back day", since it was the same game and he threw 3+ innings the second day. That is more like coming back out of the bullpen. Per the live stats he threw 126 total, so 56 today. IF he is done for the tournament (and the tournament finishes on time), I'm not sure it is fair to say one is fine and one is bad. Both are not ideal, but I would bet both wanted the ball and it's hard to say no to your number one.
Quote from: Johnny Wholestaff on May 14, 2015, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 14, 2015, 12:15:42 PM
Quote from: Johnny Wholestaff on May 14, 2015, 12:06:56 PM
I'm against it too, but it is no different than what Brosius did with Haddeland two years ago in the Regional. Was Brosius negligent then?
The two situations are similar, but you can't say they are the same.
For Gray:
Day 1: 70 pitches (guessing)
Day 2: 70 pitches (guessing)
In 2013, for Haddeland, it was:
Day 1: 112 pitches
Day 2: 0 pitches
Day 3: 19 pitches
Day 4: 63 pitches
So Haddeland never started back to back days. He had a day off after his start and then came in in relief two days in a row.
That's a fair point about the off day, but I don't think it is fair say it fair to call what Gray did "starting back-to-back day", since it was the same game and he threw 3+ innings the second day. That is more like coming back out of the bullpen. Per the live stats he threw 126 total, so 56 today. IF he is done for the tournament (and the tournament finishes on time), I'm not sure it is fair to say one is fine and one is bad. Both are not ideal, but I would bet both wanted the ball and it's hard to say no to your number one.
Solid points. To be fair, I never said the Haddeland situation was fine, just different. I guess if I was Trinity, I don't understand why I would've wanted him to re-start this game. If they don't bring him in, he can likely come back later in the tournament a la Haddeland in 2013. Besides it being likely not good for the arm, it just seemed like a waste while facing an impotent offense.
In other words, I would rather have Gray available to pitch the regional championship game instead of burning him on day two to win a game that was in hand already. It would be better for his arm and for the team!
Quote from: Westside on May 14, 2015, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: Johnny Wholestaff on May 14, 2015, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 14, 2015, 12:15:42 PM
Quote from: Johnny Wholestaff on May 14, 2015, 12:06:56 PM
I'm against it too, but it is no different than what Brosius did with Haddeland two years ago in the Regional. Was Brosius negligent then?
The two situations are similar, but you can't say they are the same.
For Gray:
Day 1: 70 pitches (guessing)
Day 2: 70 pitches (guessing)
In 2013, for Haddeland, it was:
Day 1: 112 pitches
Day 2: 0 pitches
Day 3: 19 pitches
Day 4: 63 pitches
So Haddeland never started back to back days. He had a day off after his start and then came in in relief two days in a row.
That's a fair point about the off day, but I don't think it is fair say it fair to call what Gray did "starting back-to-back day", since it was the same game and he threw 3+ innings the second day. That is more like coming back out of the bullpen. Per the live stats he threw 126 total, so 56 today. IF he is done for the tournament (and the tournament finishes on time), I'm not sure it is fair to say one is fine and one is bad. Both are not ideal, but I would bet both wanted the ball and it's hard to say no to your number one.
Solid points. To be fair, I never said the Haddeland situation was fine, just different. I guess if I was Trinity, I don't understand why I would've wanted him to re-start this game. If they don't bring him in, he can likely come back later in the tournament a la Haddeland in 2013. Besides it being likely not good for the arm, it just seemed like a waste while facing an impotent offense.
In other words, I would rather have Gray available to pitch the regional championship game instead of burning him on day two to win a game that was in hand already. It would be better for his arm and for the team!
Yeah, that would be the primary reason why I was against it. That said I never feel safe against Linfield, so making sure the go to the loser's bracket is nice. I have some experience with them...
Alright, after a week of hyping up Scheibe, it is game time. Hoping he doesn't lay an egg, but I am convinced he is as good as it gets at the D3 level.
It will be fun to see how Whitworth does. They have flown under the radar pretty much all season.
Millsaps has quite the impressive middle of the order...
2. Shumaker: .395 BA
3. Glenn: .446 BA
4. Chenoweth: .366 BA
5. Etheridge: .384 BA
Jim Page of MIllsaps is one of the very best hitting coaches anywhere, at any level. It does not matter what year or who is on the mound, they are usually 9 tough outs.
Millsaps starts the game, walk, HBP, double, fly out, single, single.
Scheibe got roughed up pretty good the first.
Yea. Ouch. 4 walks already.
And the stream... it worked fine for the whole pregame part. And now it freezes every single pitch then it will jump ahead :'(
I am having no issues with the feed?
I noticed for the game now its working. Maybe they saw our posts and realized something was wrong.....
Yea, mine is working fine now. It is a solid stream when it actually works!
3rd: Whitworth has guy on 3rd with no outs and they don't bring him in... that's not the way to win a playoff game.
4th: Now Whitworth has bases loaded with no outs and they don't bring him in...
5th: Whitworth 1st and 3rd with one out and they hit into a double play...
Talk about not clutch.
Part of the stream probably depends on houw many people are using it, or if their are any issues on the network between your workstation (destination) and Tyler-Tx (source).
Schiebe chased after 5 2/3 after allowing 6 hits, 5 walks, 4K, 6 runs. Millsaps up 7-3 with Whitworth down to its final three (now two) outs.
Millsap's Etheridge goes 150 pitches before being pulled in the 9th.
Whitworth has the bases loaded, down 7-4. :o
Four straight hits make it 7-4 and the load the bases. Millsaps finally relieves Smokey Ethridge.
The center fielder slips on a line drive hit to him... called a double.
7-6 Millsaps, bases loaded with one out...
Haha... are you kidding Whitworth?
Double play ends it. Millsaps wins 7-6.
Soft line drive to 2nd base and the runner at first gets doubled off.
Round Two:
#1 Texas-Tyler vs. #2 Linfield (Loser is out)
#6 La Verne vs. #4 Whitworth (If Whitworth loses, they are out)
#5 Trinity (TX) vs. #3 Millsaps (Winner is 2-0)
Linfield's bats are now coming alive. They are up 9-6 over UT Tyler in T7, but the game is on hold, again, for a lightning delay. Two days in a row...
Thomasson started off well, but got roughed up for 10 hits, and six runs in 5.1 innings. Most of the damage came in the 6th. But, to Linfield's credit, their bats are responding, now with 9 runs on 8 hits.
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Two days in a row...
Crash is working on a post about how all post season games should be held in a Southern California and in a dome. BTW, it's a BEAUTIFUL day in the Pacific Northwest.
The feed at the moment has awesome clouds and thunder claps. It's pretty cool from a meteorological point of view, but not so much for baseball....
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Quote from: Wildcat17 on May 14, 2015, 06:40:32 PM
Two days in a row...
Crash is working on a post about how all post season games should be held in a Southern California and in a dome. BTW, it's a BEAUTIFUL day in the Pacific Northwest.
In Empathy for West Regional teams, it's raining in SoCal today and more expected for tomorrow.
Of course, the rain here isn't as heavy as in Texas... more like off & on showers; But we'll take it.
It doesn't look like they will get started soon. Check out the radar picture:
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/tyler-tx/75702/weather-radar/331126
They may be done for today. If so; could they call the current game after 5 innings?
Quote from: wildcat11 on May 14, 2015, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: Wildcat17 on May 14, 2015, 06:40:32 PM
Two days in a row...
Crash is working on a post about how all post season games should be held in a Southern California and in a dome. BTW, it's a BEAUTIFUL day in the Pacific Northwest.
The central region has also been rained out (2 on, one out, bottom of the first in a scoreless game between Carthage and Greenville). They'll resume tomorrow (hopefully!).
BTW, it was also a beautiful day in southeast Michigan - especially at Comerica Park where the Tigers destroyed the Twins, 13-1! ;D My favorite player, Miguel Cabrera, broke out of a slump with a stat line of 5 3 3 5!
Baseball is done for today. UTT website indicates the UTT-Linfield game resumes at 10am tomorrow.
This also means the Millsaps-Trinity game won't be starting sometime after 10pm tonight.
While it is possible the conference separation has reduced the rivalry, I am betting not. Coach Page and Coach Scannell and their staffs know each other well, like each other a lot, and love to win. That game could be fierce with wonderful pitching on one side and tenacious hitters on the other.
OK; I am confused. Tyler tournament website says all games have been moved to Friday. D3Baseball indicates Trinity/Millsaps will be played at 11pmEDT tonight. Accuweather indicated that it stopped raining at about 8:30CDT.
Does anyone know what the schedule is?
OK; I am confused. Tyler tournament website says all games have been moved to Friday. D3Baseball indicates Trinity/Millsaps will be played at 11pmEDT tonight. Accuweather indicated that it stopped raining at about 8:30CDT.
Does anyone know what the schedule is?
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Linfield and Trinity will restart on Friday at 10. Game 5 & 6 will follow. I'm not sure what they will do for games 7-10, but presumably they will extend into Sunday on those.
Other options might be to play some games simultaneously on other fields. Or possibly to play by KC rules, but that would be horrible.
The Tyler weather forecast is showing at least some thunderstorms every day between Friday and Wednesday.
UTT vs Linfield game restarts tomorrow morning at 10:00AM then the LV vs Whitworth game and then the Trinity vs Millsaps. Then back on schedule. (hopefully). It may roll into Sunday but it will depend on weather. I have heard of no plans to play elsewhere and field is wet but holding up and we should be able to get the games in by Sunday if needed.
Not a good week for baseball in SoCal. Rain. Texas is fine. Loved watching the games in Abilene regional several years ago. Linfield was also great in 2009 with great weather.
As far behind as they are now, you wonder why they don't start at 8AM. Yeah, that's not ideal, but neither is playing games past midnight as would have been the case yesterday had they been able to get the games in, and now there are more games backed up.
or 8:30 or 9:00 to get these games moving. The problem is that the unstable air heats up in the afternoon and causes thunderstorms. the weather has been better in the mornings. Hopefully we can work through some games today.
Just like Wednesday, there's a big complex of storms that started out around Eagle Pass/Laredo overnight, have gotten to Central Texas during rush, and is headed that way - plus development on the NE side of the cluster which is already in the Tyler area. I'll be surprised if they can do more than complete Linfield-UTT today.
As the storms continue, what's the likelihood that the games can't be finished in time and the Regional winner is picked by committee?
I think that we can get to the "single-eliminaton" championship game in Game 7.
I think that we will have enough good weather thru Sunday to finish Game 7
Final: Linfield 9 - 6 Texas-Tyler.
The host, #1 seed is the first team eliminated. Congrats on a great season.
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PS: I am still shaking my head <rattle... rattle... rattle> that PLU got shipped to the South and has to face Emory, BMS, Rhodes, & Marietta. So this is the reward for being the top rated team in the West? Give me a break.
If the West region is as good as West-region-followers all claim it is, then PLU actually caught a break by being shipped out. Thinking otherwise is admitting the West isn't as strong from the outside as those on the inside feel it is.
Congratulations on PLU defeating Emory 9-6 after falling behind 3-0 and 5-3; Good luck tomorrow.
PLU continues to represent very well for West as they defeated Birmingham-Southern 7-2 yesterday. BS now plays Rhodes in an elimination game while PLU awaits the winner. PLU only undefeated team in South Region.
According to the broadcast launch page, Whitworth/La Verne was moved up to an 11:20 start, Millsaps/Trinity to 2:50. A big blob of mostly light rain is approaching the area but is shrinking in coverage as the afternoon progresses.
La Verne leads 4-1 in the top of the fourth, and has just chased Whitworth starter Spencer Ansett with two down and one on.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2015, 01:28:40 PM
According to the broadcast launch page, Whitworth/La Verne was moved up to an 11:20 start, Millsaps/Trinity to 2:50. A big blob of mostly light rain is approaching the area but is shrinking in coverage as the afternoon progresses.
La Verne leads 4-1 in the top of the fourth, and has just chased Whitworth starter Spencer Ansett with two down and one on.
Congrats LV on 10-3 victory over Whitworth... sending Whitworth home.
Great job representing SCIAC, 2-0.
Radar looking better, too. Just a few light scattered showers in the vicinity and the big blob that is left isn't going to get up there. May be able to get in three more if nobody goes extras. According to the web site, what's left today are
G6: Millsaps-Trinity 2:50 (winner still undefeated)
G7: La Verne-MC/TU Winner 6:05 (brutal for whoever that is, normally this game would have been the next morning; winner still undefeated), winner to championship round
G8: Linfield-MC/TU Loser 9:20 (losing team still eliminated)
Maybe they can swap G8 and G9? Why penalize the winner of G6 instead of the loser?
Tomorrow:
G9: G8 winner vs G7 loser (losing team eliminated)
G10: G9 winner vs G7 winner
G11 (if G9 winner wins G10): Same teams,
Edit: the NCAA site has the following
WEST REGION
GAME DATE/TIME (ET) MATCHUP RESULT
Host: Texas-Tyler Watch/Live Stats
1 May 13, 1 p.m. Texas-Tyler vs. La Verne - La Verne, 2-0
2 May 14, 10 a.m. Linfield vs. Trinity (Texas) - Trinity (Texas), 5-1
3 May 14, 1 p.m. Millsaps vs. Whitworth - Millsaps, 7-6
4 May 15, 10 a.m. Texas-Tyler vs. Linfield - Linfield, 9-6
5 May 15, 1:15 p.m. La Verne vs. Whitworth - La Verne, 10-3
6 May 15, 4:30 p.m. Trinity (Texas) vs. Millsaps
7 May 16 La Verne vs. Winner Game 6
8 May 16 Linfield vs. Loser Game 6
9 May 16 Winner Game 8 vs. Loser Game 7
*10 May 17 Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 9
*11 May 17 Winner Game 10 vs. Loser Game 10
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2015, 03:38:41 PM
Radar looking better, too. Just a few light scattered showers in the vicinity and the big blob that is left isn't going to get up there. May be able to get in three more if nobody goes extras. According to the web site, what's left today are
G6: Millsaps-Trinity 2:50 (winner still undefeated)
G7: La Verne-MC/TU Winner 6:05 (brutal for whoever that is, normally this game would have been the next morning; winner still undefeated), winner to championship round
G8: Linfield-MC/TU Loser 9:20 (losing team still eliminated)
Maybe they can swap G8 and G9? Why penalize the winner of G6 instead of the loser?
Tomorrow:
G9: G8 winner vs G7 loser (losing team eliminated)
G10: G9 winner vs G7 winner
G11 (if G9 winner wins G10): Same teams,
Edit: the NCAA site has the following
WEST REGION
GAME DATE/TIME (ET) MATCHUP RESULT
Host: Texas-Tyler Watch/Live Stats
1 May 13, 1 p.m. Texas-Tyler vs. La Verne - La Verne, 2-0
2 May 14, 10 a.m. Linfield vs. Trinity (Texas) - Trinity (Texas), 5-1
3 May 14, 1 p.m. Millsaps vs. Whitworth - Millsaps, 7-6
4 May 15, 10 a.m. Texas-Tyler vs. Linfield - Linfield, 9-6
5 May 15, 1:15 p.m. La Verne vs. Whitworth - La Verne, 10-3
6 May 15, 4:30 p.m. Trinity (Texas) vs. Millsaps
7 May 16 La Verne vs. Winner Game 6
8 May 16 Linfield vs. Loser Game 6
9 May 16 Winner Game 8 vs. Loser Game 7
*10 May 17 Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 9
*11 May 17 Winner Game 10 vs. Loser Game 10
That would require applying competitive logic...that is a repressed gene in the NCAA DNA.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2015, 03:38:41 PM
Radar looking better, too. Just a few light scattered showers in the vicinity and the big blob that is left isn't going to get up there. May be able to get in three more if nobody goes extras. According to the web site, what's left today are
G6: Millsaps-Trinity 2:50 (winner still undefeated)
G7: La Verne-MC/TU Winner 6:05 (brutal for whoever that is, normally this game would have been the next morning; winner still undefeated), winner to championship round
G8: Linfield-MC/TU Loser 9:20 (losing team still eliminated)
Maybe they can swap G8 and G9? Why penalize the winner of G6 instead of the loser?
Tomorrow:
G9: G8 winner vs G7 loser (losing team eliminated)
G10: G9 winner vs G7 winner
G11 (if G9 winner wins G10): Same teams,
Thanks for the schedule update. It will be harder to follow this during the weekend... since I won't be at work with LiveFeeds in the background.
I will say this for the entire West Regional.....running the bases has been absolutely awful all around. Whitworth was gifted an opportunity and gifted it right back. How they can let that happen twice in the same game is beyond me. Does their first base coach not pay attention to his main purpose for being there? Way too many mistakes all around.
The announcer said that the loser bracket game will be next... Not sure if he knows for sure or not.
So Linfield vs. Millsaps/Trinity is next...
http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2015/boxscores/20150515_bpo0.xml
Okay, who won?
Linfield or UT-Tyler?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2015, 04:58:01 PM
http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2015/boxscores/20150515_bpo0.xml
Okay, who won?
Linfield or UT-Tyler?
The UT Tyler schedule shows that they lost 9-6, but agree... that box score is baffling.
True box is up here
http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/uttylerpatriots/1F2852B4-AB22-4600-BF75-65896B668D91/wreg-04.htm
Looks like whomever/however it got submitted to D3 transposed the teams. Maybe because of the lack of proper seeding? ???
Trinity defeats Millsaps 5-3.
So we have:
#6 La Verne (2-0) vs. #5 Trinity (2-0)
#2 Linfield (1-1) vs. #3 Millsaps (1-1)
Trinity 5-3 over Milsap.
SoCal native Nick Griffith with the 2.2 innings of relief to close the game.
Next will be battle of the 2-0 teams; LV vs Trinity
Round One:
#1 Texas-Tyler vs. #6 La Verne
La Verne wins 2-0.
#2 Linfield vs. #5 Trinity (TX)
Trinity wins 5-1.
#3 Millsaps vs. #4 Whitworth
Millsaps wins 7-6.
Round Two:
#1 Texas-Tyler vs. #2 Linfield
Linfield wins 9-6.
#6 La Verne vs. #4 Whitworth
La Verne wins 10-3.
#5 Trinity (TX) vs. #3 Millsaps
Trinity wins 5-3.
Round Three:
#6 La Verne vs. #5 Trinity (TX)
#2 Linfield vs. #3 Millsaps
According to @Trinity_Sports they play La Verne at 6:30. Makes utterly no sense to force an undefeated team to play a doubleheader with no rest but hey it's the NCAA.
It is a lot better situation for Trinity than La Verne, don't know why you are complaining. Trinity gets to stay warm and ready for their game. La Verne has to sit around for 3 hours and then play a game.
And you can't blame the NCAA for two days being washed out... The schedule is set in a specific order and it all gets messed up with the rainouts.
I agree Westside, advantage TU, teams are used to DH from conference play. After a big win, the players are hungry to get right back on the field. They'll get a bit of food and get out there, no biggie
Trinity trailed almost the entire game, but a five-run outburst in the bottom of the eighth elevates them to the championship round, 7-4 over La Verne. Only three of Trinity's runs were earned as they benefited from three wild pitches, three walks, and two errors in that frame.
Anyone know if the Regional site is correct and there are 2 more games tonight?
LInfield vs Millsaps and that winner vs LaVerne?
There is no way they play two... right? That would mean they start a game after 1 AM...
I doubt it. Trinity twitter feed says the first championship game is set for 4:30 tomorrow which would allow for the final loser's bracket game in the early afternoon. Second, if necessary game would be Sunday.
Edit: Trinity game writeup (http://trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2014-15/releases/150515_bb_wreg) says the same.
Quote from: Westside on May 15, 2015, 06:34:01 PM
Trinity defeats Millsaps 5-3.
So we have:
#6 La Verne (2-0) vs. #5 Trinity (2-0)
#2 Linfield (1-1) vs. #3 Millsaps (1-1)
Thanks for the update with W-L. Glad no games in SoCal. Would have been rained out Th. I just DON'T like the combination of COLD, WIND, SIDEWAYS RAIN and playing it after get soaked in the dugout for over 1 hour of rain with no cover. But I am over it. That was 2010 and I have moved on. Why? 4 trips to Appleton in 5 years. Who else can say that on this board? Heck I have a small investment in the Wooden Nickel Sports bar in Appleton. Chapman will not be back anytime soon.
Is this the year TRINITY finally makes it out of TEXAS to Wisconsin?
I think it is... No team left has any pitching depth unless some unknown just throws the game of their life. But hey, it could happen.
Good one going on late right now. Linfield and Millsaps tied 2-2 in the 6th.
Haddeland is lurking in the dugout, ready to throw 18+ scoreless on two days rest... :)
Linfield knocks out Millsaps, 6-2. Sr. Garrett Miller comes in in the 4th inning and doesn't allow a hit the rest of the way. That really saves the pitching for tomorrow.
Linfield vs. La Verne in the morning with Trinity facing the winner.
Round One:
#1 Texas-Tyler vs. #6 La Verne
La Verne wins 2-0.
#2 Linfield vs. #5 Trinity (TX)
Trinity wins 5-1.
#3 Millsaps vs. #4 Whitworth
Millsaps wins 7-6.
Round Two:
#1 Texas-Tyler vs. #2 Linfield
Linfield wins 9-6.
#6 La Verne vs. #4 Whitworth
La Verne wins 10-3.
#5 Trinity (TX) vs. #3 Millsaps
Trinity wins 5-3.
#6 La Verne vs. #5 Trinity (TX)
Trinity wins 7-4.
#2 Linfield vs. #3 Millsaps
Linfield wins 6-2.
Round Three:
#2 Linfield vs. #6 La Verne
Millsaps was undone by 2 innings in the tourney. I think that the Majors had 3 DP's to start the game.
A potential DP shuffle from the 2B to the SS that was not handled cleanly let Linfield break away from Millsaps in the ugly 6th inning
Could be Tigers year to break thru. We shall see tomorrow. they have the arms Gray Speer Rape Walker and Tindall damn good. Turner is quality closer. Bats doing job. Need to fix base running blunders.
Hopefully Trinity can get it done today (which will be difficult if Haddeland pitches; I fully expect Linfield to hold him for a potential championship rematch). Tomorrow's weather looks abysmal.
I imagine Linfield starts Justin Davis against La Verne; and if they happen to sneak past them, Haddeland will go against Trinity.
Linfield and LaVerne played two games in AZ to start the season. Linfield won both 13-5 and 10-7, and faced ten or so LaVerne pitchers over the two games. Thomasson and Justin Davis were the starters, fwiw.
My guess is that Linfield will start Davis for this one, Haddeland against Trinity and Thomasson in a third game if necessary.
Seriously!? ??? No audio commentary on the web stream today...what a joke. I guess I shouldn't be surprised with the way this whole regional has been going.
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I guess they heard me ::)
In the South Regional, #2 seed Pacific Lutheran is tied with #5 seed Emory 5-5 in the top of the 7th.
Winner will face Birmingham Southern later this afternoon for a trip to Appleton.
Pac Lu beat BSC on Thursday and lost to them last night. They're responsible for Emory's previous loss as well.
Would be cool to get two West Regional teams to Appleton.
Count me in the camp that would love to see the Tigers finally break through. This is a resilient Tigers team.
PLU is now up 6-5 in the 8th. It would be great to see them make it as well.
Linfield leads La Verne 4-0 early in the West Regional.
PLU loses a heartbreaker to Emory, 7-6. All-American closer Konopaski gives up a 2-run triple in the 8th.
Great season for the Lutes. And they return nearly everyone so they will be even better next year.
Linfield up 5-0 with La Verne (who have only three hits on the day) batting in the bottom of the seventh.
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
PLU loses a heartbreaker to Emory, 7-6. All-American closer Konopaski gives up a 2-run triple in the 8th.
Great season for the Lutes. And they return nearly everyone so they will be even better next year.
Great season indeed for the Lutes. I expect them to be right back in the mix next season with the return of Mahlum and the next incoming recruiting class from Coach Loomis.
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2015, 12:23:23 AM
I think it is... No team left has any pitching depth unless some unknown just throws the game of their life. But hey, it could happen.
Good one going on late right now. Linfield and Millsaps tied 2-2 in the 6th.
Looks like it just did happen!
Go 'Cats!
Quote from: Whatagame on May 16, 2015, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2015, 12:23:23 AM
I think it is... No team left has any pitching depth unless some unknown just throws the game of their life. But hey, it could happen.
Good one going on late right now. Linfield and Millsaps tied 2-2 in the 6th.
Looks like it just did happen!
Major kudos to freshman Cal Neely for a complete game shutout in his 1st career start. Keeps the Cats alive and gives them a rematch against Trinity in the Regional Championship.
Year after year it seems the Cats are able to throw a starter out there who has had limited time during the regular season and he comes up clutch. Last year Davis went 5+ while giving up just 1 run in the Regional Championship verse UW-Stevens Point (he had 12 IP on the year heading into that game) and in 2013 Stevick went 6+ while giving up 3 runs against Trinity (even though the Cats lost) in Game 1 of the Regional Championship (he had less than 20 IP on the year heading into that game).
Just a complete guess, but I would imagine Game 1 between Linfield and Trinity will feature Davis vs. Walker. If Walker gets the start for TU it will be interesting to see if he repeats his performance from 2013 (7.2 IP, 0 ER) or 2014 (2.2 IP, 3 ER) against the Cats....I'm hoping for the latter ;D
Quote from: Whatagame on May 16, 2015, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2015, 12:23:23 AM
I think it is... No team left has any pitching depth unless some unknown just throws the game of their life. But hey, it could happen.
Good one going on late right now. Linfield and Millsaps tied 2-2 in the 6th.
Looks like it just did happen!
Hah, yup yup. Love seeing stuff like that. Freshman making his first career start and he goes complete game, shutout. I expect Neely to be a stalwart in Linfield's rotation going forward. I remember Haddeland telling me, in the fall, that Neely had the best velocity on the team. Nice to see him control it and get a chance.
Go Wildcats!
Truly a great performance by Cal Neely. And very solid hitting throughout the lineup.
Keep it going for two more games!!
Looks like Haddeland is going for Linfield and Tindall going for Trinity.
Trinity is definitely in the driver's seat.
Congratulations to Chris Haddeland and on an amazing career for the Cats.
Quote from: CAT BAT 22 on May 16, 2015, 07:27:41 PM
Congratulations to Chris Haddeland and on an amazing career for the Cats.
The understatement of the month, at least.
Trinity scores 5 in bottom of sixth and now leads 7-3 in 8th. Definitely looking good for Trinity
Three more outs and a decade of regional frustration (of which the insanely great Mr. Haddeland played a starring role) can finally end. Wouldn't mind a couple more runs here in the bottom of the eighth.
EDIT: Four runs will have to be good enough after a TU runner gets caught off first.
I won't understate how poorly we ran the bases. Heck, why stop there... we kicked it, dropped it and threw it away. If I'm being honest, we're slow and our outfielders have noodle arms. The relay throw into the net, the cf throw to home that bounced four times then rolled to the plate. The hit into the LCF gap where our runner inexplicably stopped at first on an easy double... gets doubled up in the 4-6-3 right after. The first and third play where our runner at third doesn't read the throw down and gets picked.
Other than that... We were solid.
I never understood how a #5 seed could be the most likely to disappoint, but on to the D3 world series! :-)
Congrats to my 'Cats fighting all year long. Proud to be a 'Cats.
Congrats to Trinity! Represent the West well in Appleton.
Great season Cats! Congrats to Trinity as well. I'd imagine they will represent the region well in Appleton.
Yes, TU was clearly the best and deepest team in the west regional, they had high quality pitchers, like T. Rape, who I believe never saw the mound waiting in the wings. Great week for them, now go to Appleton and bring back the Trophy for the West!!
Quote from: Whatagame on May 16, 2015, 08:25:41 PM
Yes, TU was clearly the best and deepest team in the west regional, they had high quality pitchers, like T. Rape, who I believe never saw the mound waiting in the wings. Great week for them, now go to Appleton and bring back the Trophy for the West!!
Rape started yesterday against La Verne. Got hit a bit, but yea, their staff is deep. I imagine their coaches don't even take a sniff at guys unless they are 6'0+ and can touch 90mph.
Congrats to Trinity. Now bring some hardware back to the West!
My bad on Rape's innings. As I understand, Trinity is adept on recruiting guys that project, but are definitely sub 90 guys in HS, then they evidently are good at developing. If you're touching 90 in HS, virtually all those guys are going D1, D2 or even JC.
Thanks, guys. The pitching staff has really come on strong the since the SCAC championships,and they'll need that and more to do well in Appleton. :)
It has been a long time coming for Trinity and I hope they enjoy it. Solid program that finally got over the hump and they will have most of this team back next year, but I don't think they care about next year yet. Good luck to the Tigers in Appleton, it's a ride you will never forget.
Jack, it has been a long time coming. For those of us with son's who could not get passed that last game, and there are many, this is a wonderful day to celebrate before a new challenge begins tomorrow. While I personally don't think getting to Appleton was needed to justify just how good this program has been for many, many years, I know many of those who post here do, and I have grown to respect those views and perspectives.
Our son's first college game was at Emory so it is a bit of irony for me that Trinity will start the CWS with Emory. I have a pretty good feeling the Coaches will make sure the team knows today was not an end but the beginning.
So was Freimuth a graduate transfer? If so, that would be an interesting subplot to the World Series..
Not sure if he actually graduated, but he only played two years at TU so has eligibility remaining. He certainly has fared better this year at Frostberg than he ever did at TU.
According to the NCAA bracket, Trinity's first game will be against 2014 NCAA runnerup Emory, 4:30pm on Friday.
Couldnt be happier for Trinity, well deserved. Especially the pitching coach Smith. His pitching coach would be proud right now.
Coming up for air here in Tyler and thought I would add a few comments regarding the West Regional:
Congrats to the Trinity players and the coaching staff for a job well done. Finally getting the monkey off Coach Scannell's back regarding not making it to Appleton (as well as for all of the other great players who have come through the program). No better way to do this than soundly beating Haddeland and Linfield not once - but twice. Trinity was clearly the best team there - led with great pitching and defense and some timely hitting and scrappy AB's. We saw this team's talent last fall when they went toe to toe with OU and it was frustrating to watch the team at times this season knowing its talent. In retrospect the best thing that happened to this them was losing the conference game and having to come back through the loser bracket there. They are peaking at the right time and will be a formable opponent, in some ways it is built for a CWS with how deep the pitching staff is.
I can't say enough about LaVerne and how scrappy that team was. They don't have the size of a typical Regional team, but they can they play! Congrats to them on a fine showing and representing the SCIAC well. Millsaps was what you would expect from a Millsaps team, good size, speed and they can hit, and of course well coached. I did not see UTT nor Whitworth, but saw UTT early in the season and they were solid, but without a big ace pitcher and that clearly hurt them. Linfield was good, but nothing like the CWS championship team from two years ago. They are young and it is a credit to their coaching staff (and hard work from the players) to get them to yet another Regional championship game. I wish I could say the same things about some of their fans, they were arrogant and obnoxious and personally I could not be happier sending them back to the PNW with the tail between their legs. Good riddance.
The Tyler location was perfect for a Regional, great facility, lots of hotels and restaurants, (Stanley's BBQ!!!) and it was well run by the baseball program. The weather was dicey but they did a great job of working in all of the games, as well as preparing the field for play. Job well done by the UTT program.
The Tigers are off and will represent the West well in Appleton. They're not done. Go TIGERS!
Quote from: BamColt on May 17, 2015, 11:11:19 AM
Couldnt be happier for Trinity, well deserved. Especially the pitching coach Smith. His pitching coach would be proud right now.
BamColt, I wish I could applaud this thought multiple times. Thank you for remembering Coach Meccage and all he did for Dave and so many members of those teams. Got to think he is already waiting in Appleton spending the next few days with #12, both with very proud smiles.
Get 'er done, Trinity.
Watching the air go out of the LINFIELD game Saturday was a little deflating ( 8-) ) but you could see Trinity finally standing up and stretching.
Way to claw all season 'CATS.
I think everyone would agree that this was long overdue for Coach Scannell. This year was very interesting year for the Tigers this year. It started with having to replace arguably 2 of the best players in Trinity history (Hirschberg and Muscarello). It got to a point halfway through the season where this Trinity team was 4th in the conference standings and having guys fighting in the dugout during games. All of a sudden it seemed to finally click with their back facing the wall in the first game of the conference tournament against TLU down 1 in the 8th and figuring out a way to win the ballgame. Watching the Trinity program for over 10 years now most people I think would agree that this team may not have been the most talented (2013, 2010, some of the early 2000s) but this team figured out a way to get it done. I believe that this will go down as one of Scannell's best coaching jobs and maybe due to the fact he had to do more coaching this year than previous ones.
One fact I think that was different for this team than others was the fact they really didn't have a set rotation all year so about 5 or 6 guys got a decent amount of starts where as previous teams seemed to only have about 3 or 4 guys get a majority of the starts. Maybe this is a strategy that Trinitt will implement more in the future.
A second thing I noticed is if you look at the regional winners since 2011. Chapman won on a dirt field at McMurry. 2012-2014 were won by NWC teams on turf fields. This year Trinity wins on a dirt field in Tyler. Ironic that the teams winning the regionals are playing on surfaces that they are more accustomed to. Thought it was an interesting observation.
Quote from: CAK72B on May 17, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
I think everyone would agree that this was long overdue for Coach Scannell. This year was very interesting year for the Tigers this year. It started with having to replace arguably 2 of the best players in Trinity history (Hirschberg and Muscarello). It got to a point halfway through the season where this Trinity team was 4th in the conference standings and having guys fighting in the dugout during games. All of a sudden it seemed to finally click with their back facing the wall in the first game of the conference tournament against TLU down 1 in the 8th and figuring out a way to win the ballgame. Watching the Trinity program for over 10 years now most people I think would agree that this team may not have been the most talented (2013, 2010, some of the early 2000s) but this team figured out a way to get it done. I believe that this will go down as one of Scannell's best coaching jobs and maybe due to the fact he had to do more coaching this year than previous ones.
One fact I think that was different for this team than others was the fact they really didn't have a set rotation all year so about 5 or 6 guys got a decent amount of starts where as previous teams seemed to only have about 3 or 4 guys get a majority of the starts. Maybe this is a strategy that Trinitt will implement more in the future.
A second thing I noticed is if you look at the regional winners since 2011. Chapman won on a dirt field at McMurry. 2012-2014 were won by NWC teams on turf fields. This year Trinity wins on a dirt field in Tyler. Ironic that the teams winning the regionals are playing on surfaces that they are more accustomed to. Thought it was an interesting observation.
Congrats to Trinity. A great program every year. I wish them well in Appleton.
NCAA flew us from Austin to Chicago and bused us up to Appleton, such a beautiful area.
Furguson Jenkins was the guest speaker who kicked things off. These kids will have a blast.
Probably cheaper to get last minute tix to Chicago than Milwaukee (or Green Bay).
Sure wish I could get up there this week, but half of my team already took Friday off, so I'm stuck here. Airfares are surprisingly inexpensive given the timeframe (~$450 from SAT to ORD on Delta).
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A second thing I noticed is if you look at the regional winners since 2011. Chapman won on a dirt field at McMurry. 2012-2014 were won by NWC teams on turf fields. This year Trinity wins on a dirt field in Tyler. Ironic that the teams winning the regionals are playing on surfaces that they are more accustomed to. Thought it was an interesting observation.
+1! Great Observation!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2015, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: CAK72B on May 17, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
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A second thing I noticed is if you look at the regional winners since 2011. Chapman won on a dirt field at McMurry. 2012-2014 were won by NWC teams on turf fields. This year Trinity wins on a dirt field in Tyler. Ironic that the teams winning the regionals are playing on surfaces that they are more accustomed to. Thought it was an interesting observation.
+1! Great Observation!
Interesting, but, when Whitworth won in 2012, they played on an all natural grass surface at home. They did not upgrade to turf until 2014. The only turf fields in the NWC, prior to 2014 season, were PLU and Linfield. Now there are three.
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Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2015, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: CAK72B on May 17, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
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A second thing I noticed is if you look at the regional winners since 2011. Chapman won on a dirt field at McMurry. 2012-2014 were won by NWC teams on turf fields. This year Trinity wins on a dirt field in Tyler. Ironic that the teams winning the regionals are playing on surfaces that they are more accustomed to. Thought it was an interesting observation.
+1! Great Observation!
Interesting, but, when Whitworth won in 2012, they played on an all natural grass surface at home. They did not upgrade to turf until 2014. The only turf fields in the NWC, prior to 2014 season, were PLU and Linfield. Now there are three.
Thanks for the clarification.
I certainly understand that due to weather teams have to go to all turf fields to get games in during the season, but IMO championship games should be played on grass and dirt. There is no question, (IMO) that the "real" surface is more difficult and I saw fielding "errors" over the weekend because of the inability of infielders to adapt to the surface. I do not like the homogenized fields as infielders can get away with sub par skills on the turf fields, but they get exposed on a natural surface.
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 18, 2015, 08:49:17 PM
I certainly understand that due to weather teams have to go to all turf fields to get games in during the season, but IMO championship games should be played on grass and dirt. There is no question, (IMO) that the "real" surface is more difficult and I saw fielding "errors" over the weekend because of the inability of infielders to adapt to the surface. I do not like the homogenized fields as infielders can get away with sub par skills on the turf fields, but they get exposed on a natural surface.
That makes sense when you get to a professional or D1 level, because all of the fields are extremely nice and taken care of... but at this level, every single dirt and grass field is different. It is such an advantage to the team that plays on their own field if it is dirt and grass. I would rather have a field that equalizes the teams instead of giving teams advantages.
I mean it's always going to be an imperfect system. Teams with better defensive infielders would have an advantage on the dirt fields where teams without it would benefit from hiding a weakness on turf fields, which I would classify as an "advantage" since it helps a subpar fielding team. I also agree with 108s observation that this regional seemed like there were more unearned runs and errors than more recent ones. Stats may prove otherwise since I haven't looked them up. However I don't think it's fair to say a team has an advantage since they play on a dirt and grass field since that's the surface the game was designed to be played on. With weather playing a factor in some regions it's make sense to have the turf field but a game played on turf I believe is a way different game than one played on dirt/grass.
Another thing from the West Regional was the fact that there were 0 HR's hit. I don't think many West teams rely on a lot of power but the balls would hit the grass and stop, not allowing them to get to the wall for extra bases. The weather and field conditions really helped the pitching out a lot but I do feel like the most complete team there was Trinity. I also think Trinity has a very legit shot at creating some noise up in Appleton.
Quote from: Westside on May 18, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 18, 2015, 08:49:17 PM
I certainly understand that due to weather teams have to go to all turf fields to get games in during the season, but IMO championship games should be played on grass and dirt. There is no question, (IMO) that the "real" surface is more difficult and I saw fielding "errors" over the weekend because of the inability of infielders to adapt to the surface. I do not like the homogenized fields as infielders can get away with sub par skills on the turf fields, but they get exposed on a natural surface.
That makes sense when you get to a professional or D1 level, because all of the fields are extremely nice and taken care of... but at this level, every single dirt and grass field is different. It is such an advantage to the team that plays on their own field if it is dirt and grass. I would rather have a field that equalizes the teams instead of giving teams advantages.
Funny how the home team went two and out ;-)
Because of how well Trinity played in its 1st game of its 1st Regional, after a nearly 30 day layoff, I pretty much rejected the time from the end of the SCAC tournament to the Regional as any reason for not making it to Appleton. However, when we realize this team had 10 days from the SCAC tournament until the 1st day of the Regional, pretty much like every other team in the Regional and unlike all the previous years, others may have been better and more objective than I have been about the time from ending the SCAC until the 1st day of the Regional as a very real factor in why Trinity could not break through before 2015.
I have no issue at all saying that Trinity has the best staff at the WS. I really hope they perform like they did at the Regional. They will be fun to watch (even though I will miss the entire thing :()
Quote from: infielddad on May 19, 2015, 12:15:19 AM
Because of how well Trinity played in its 1st game of its 1st Regional, after a nearly 30 day layoff, I pretty much rejected the time from the end of the SCAC tournament to the Regional as any reason for not making it to Appleton. However, when we realize this team had 10 days from the SCAC tournament until the 1st day of the Regional, pretty much like every other team in the Regional and unlike all the previous years, others may have been better and more objective than I have been about the time from ending the SCAC until the 1st day of the Regional as a very real factor in why Trinity could not break through before 2015.
I didn't even think about that point at all. Maybe that was a huge difference for them rather than having to live at the dorms on an empty campus for 3 weeks. I'm sure it was not a "major" reason but every little bit counts.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2015, 06:54:58 PM
Quote from: Whatagame on May 18, 2015, 06:52:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2015, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: CAK72B on May 17, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
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A second thing I noticed is if you look at the regional winners since 2011. Chapman won on a dirt field at McMurry. 2012-2014 were won by NWC teams on turf fields. This year Trinity wins on a dirt field in Tyler. Ironic that the teams winning the regionals are playing on surfaces that they are more accustomed to. Thought it was an interesting observation.
+1! Great Observation!
Interesting, but, when Whitworth won in 2012, they played on an all natural grass surface at home. They did not upgrade to turf until 2014. The only turf fields in the NWC, prior to 2014 season, were PLU and Linfield. Now there are three.
Thanks for the clarification.
Didn't Linfield win the 2013 regional at Concordia's home field? I thought that is grass.
Concordia is a turf field
To add a little more depth to the grass vs. turf:
Linfield over the last 5 seasons (in which they were #1 or #2 in the NWC in fielding % each season):
2010 Regional (turf): 4 errors in 5 games. [.8 errors per game]
2010 World Series (grass): 9 errors in 5 games. [1.8 errors per game]
2011 Regional (grass): 10 errors in 4 games. [2.5 errors per game]
2013 Regional (turf): 8 errors in 5 games. [1.6 errors per game]
2013 World Series (grass): 7 errors in 5 games. [1.4 errors per game]
2014 Regional (turf): 5 errors in 4 games. [1.25 errors per game]
2014 World Series (grass): 5 errors in 2 games. [2.5 errors per game]
2015 Regional (grass): 4 errors in 5 games. [.8 errors per game]
The 2011 team got exposed on grass...
The 2013 team did better on grass than turf...
The 2010 and 2014 teams struggled on grass...
The 2015 team played great on grass and still lost...
(The 2012 team... we don't talk about them :-X)
So... this pretty much just tells me that good teams win no matter what their defense on a field is like :P
So if my math is correct 1.07 per game on grass vs 1.67 on turf....so about an extra error every two games. Not massive but if that error is at the wrong time, like in the TU game, that could be a game changer.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 17, 2015, 08:27:40 AM
Not sure if he actually graduated, but he only played two years at TU so has eligibility remaining. He certainly has fared better this year at Frostberg than he ever did at TU.
According to the NCAA bracket, Trinity's first game will be against 2014 NCAA runnerup Emory, 4:30pm on Friday.
Freimuth (8-2, 2 Sv, 1.62 ERA, 77.5 IP, 27BB, 97K, .193 OBA) and Gray (1.72, 8-0, 2 Sv, 1.72 ERA, 62.2 IP, 22BB, 70K, .136 OBA) both named First Team All-America by D3baseball. Would be fun if they could meet up in the finals, and they're on opposite sides of the bracket so it *could* happen.
Connor Bertsch 1st team All American. I really thought Cox would slide in but gets 2nd team.
Both had a hell of a year.