http://www.truthfornickhillary.com/
Quote from: Saint of Old on July 29, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
http://www.truthfornickhillary.com/
Thanks for posting this info, Saint. This case has many parallels to the Duke Lacrosse rape hoax. Really makes you question law enforcement's motives.
Rain = Nifong
Quote from: Saint of Old on July 29, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
http://www.truthfornickhillary.com/
Fascinating..land very circumstantial...
Very very circumstantial and a case most prosecutors without agendas wouldn't bring. The Duke lacrosse case has a number of parallels including a prosecutor trying to make a name and no inculpatory DNA or fingerprint evidence. The biggest difference is that in the Duke case there was substantial evidence that no crime was committed. In Potsdam there seems to be little doubt that a crime was committed, the question is by who? I would be surprised if the court doesn't dismiss at the close of the state's case unless there is some significantly incriminating piece of evidence that hasn't been made public. It is a tragic case for everyone involved whatever the outcome.
Other than the possibility of prosecutorial misconduct I do not see how you can compare these cases. The Duke "boys" hired some poor women to "entertain" them. The rape allegations proved false and all the Duke "boys" wanted was some fun humiliating women??? In the case of the coach apparently he was accused "out of thin air". While I am glad that no one was falsely convicted of rape I was, am and will continue to be saddened that the boorish behavior of the Duke "boys" was somehow legitimized by that case.
Quote from: 2xfaux on July 30, 2015, 04:31:10 PM
Other than the possibility of prosecutorial misconduct I do not see how you can compare these cases. The Duke "boys" hired some poor women to "entertain" them. The rape allegations proved false and all the Duke "boys" wanted was some fun humiliating women??? In the case of the coach apparently he was accused "out of thin air". While I am glad that no one was falsely convicted of rape I was, am and will continue to be saddened that the boorish behavior of the Duke "boys" was somehow legitimized by that case.
Are you serious??? You think the Duke lacrosse team somehow deserved what it got because a few kids behaved boorishly and ordered a stripper? While an extremely poor decision which I'm sure broke team rules, it was not illegal and they suffered far more than you obviously think. I'd suggest you look into the Duke case a little closer. While you may think facing significant prison time for rape, looking at their education and careers ruined, causing significant financial hardships for their families, being ostracized by their school, their own professors harass them, having their beloved coach fired and their season ended (while a legit National title contender) due to a completely made up charge of rape by a pathological liar who later committed murder (Yes, look it up) might be justified because the boys behaved "boorishly", I strongly disagree.
The Duke boys were framed by the police and DA and exculpatory evidence ignored because you know, they "deserved it for being privileged and white athletes" and it served a re-election platform.
It sure seems to me that Nick Hillary is being framed by the police and DA and exculpatory evidence ignored because you know, he "deserved it" for dating a white woman, and it also serves a re-election platform.
Seems pretty similar to me. Like Duke, I hope Hillary is vindicated.
I don't think I said anyone deserved anything. What I said was I do not see these cases as similar as you seem to and that I remain disturbed by the idea that college "men"and college "men" involved in athletics in particular...no matter their race or financial status...get a pass on (yes) boorish behavior. Yes, Ms. Mangum was a sex worker and yes she plead guilt to second degree murder. Perhaps, we can agree to disagree on this. I do appreciate the negative karma from the big "boys". It is a very convenient way to express your thoughts.
So you think the Duke Lacrosse team got a "pass?"
Corazon--This has really hit a nerve for you. I have not read you being so passionate about something since you were commenting on the Kenyon assistant..I am chuckling just a bit
The Duke case always has been incredibly polarizing. Yes, those kids were dragged through the mud and suffered some real damage as a result of the overzealous DA and extensive, prolonged media coverage. But let's not minimize what they actually did do. Excusing their
behavior as just routine frat-boy, white, privileged prep school partying is a little much.
Excuse me, but I don't see how anyone can rationally deem their coach being fired and their season being terminated as somehow minimizing their behavior or giving the team a "pass". Personally, I will reserve my outrage for actual laws being broken - you know, like framing innocent people for murder and rape.
Quote from: Corazon on July 31, 2015, 12:20:55 AM
Excuse me, but I don't see how anyone can rationally deem their coach being fired and their season being terminated as somehow minimizing their behavior or giving the team a "pass". Personally, I will reserve my outrage for actual laws being broken - you know, like framing innocent people for murder and rape.
At least the DA did suffer harsher punishment than the LaX team - he was disbarred and imprisoned (though, alas, for only one day - spent in solitary 'for his protection'). I suspect that Mike Nifong will rarely have a 'good day' the rest of his life - and I will not mourn that prediction. (As of 2014, investigators are checking every prosecution Nifong ever succeeded in to check for miscarriages of justice.)
Quote from: Corazon on July 31, 2015, 12:20:55 AM
Excuse me, but I don't see how anyone can rationally deem their coach being fired and their season being terminated as somehow minimizing their behavior or giving the team a "pass". Personally, I will reserve my outrage for actual laws being broken - you know, like framing innocent people for murder and rape.
Nobody said that they got a pass or that they weren't treated unfairly. They were treated very unfairly as it turns out (and I believe compensated). That said, not having any criminal culpability is a lot different than saying they had no culpability. It's not like nothing happened. If the police had never been involved many of those players still could have faced serious sanctions within the university. There could have been suspensions and a serious threat to their glorious season (how is THAT relevant??) with NO outside police or DA involvement. And they also still would have received massive negative media attention for their apparently "innocent" behavior.
http://amsterdamnews.com/news/2015/aug/19/college-soccer-coach-seeks-justice/?page=1
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/nyregion/murder-of-garrett-phillips-in-potsdam-new-york.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
This has been big news in our little town the last few years. I feel bad for Hillary. I'm not going to pretend like I know all the case details but I know enough to conclude that he's getting the short end of the stick here. The DA might be one of the worst DA's I've ever seen in my life. We had a very nasty gang rape case up here a while back and the DA mismanaged that one. That was always seen as the bench mark for the worst handled case, but I think the current DA has taken the cake. Hillary's always been treated as guilty until proven innocent. I'm confident he'll win this, but there's still a long road ahead.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/nyregion/potsdam-boys-murder-case-may-hinge-on-statistical-analysis.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fnyregion&action=click&contentCollection=nyregion®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0
After reading that article it seems to be a "witch hunt" by Ms. Rain to get a conviction that she basically promised during her campaign.
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/news05/did-police-rush-to-judge-nick-hillary-in-murder-of-garrett-phillips-video-20160819
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/nyregion/judge-rejects-dna-test-in-trial-over-garrett-phillipss-murder.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fnyregion&action=click&contentCollection=nyregion®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/nyregion/oral-nicholas-hillary-potsdam-murder-trial-garrett-phillips.html?action=click&contentCollection=nyregion®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront
A Righteous exoneration.
Saints stick together.
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/news05/former-st-lawrence-county-da-rain-has-law-license-suspended-by-state-appellate-court-20180629
Karma comes for Prosecutor.
Suspended for Framing a Saint!
Under these egregious circumstances a two year law license suspension is not enough. Prosecutors should go to jail themselves for conduct like this.
As a lawyer, I had been appalled by what I read about that case. Though relieved the prosecutor is being disciplined, I also feel like that is hardly recompense for the tribulations the Coach went through. At the same time, a substantial suspension will make it very hard for her to work anywhere as a lawyer, as most firms and communities would be reluctant to hire someone with that disciplinary record.
Quote from: deutschfan on July 02, 2018, 09:08:25 PM
Under these egregious circumstances a two year law license suspension is not enough. Prosecutors should go to jail themselves for conduct like this.
Great news for the coach! I agree that the 2 year suspension is not enough.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/nyregion/cuomo-prosecutors-oversight-commission.html
Crazy stuff.
So according to the New York Times, the attempted frame job against the D3 soccer coach was the catalyst for Oversight of Prosecutors in New York.
The first of its type in the entire country!!!
This will help many more innocents down the road.
Big props to former Saints and other members of the D3 community who helped to spread the story.
Glad to see some attempt at accountability. The St. Lawrence County DA has always been an institution not known for its competency (anyone familiar with the Casablanca would agree). Sad that he was forced to leave town as he was bringing the Clarkson program on the up.
HBO July 23 and 24th.
The Story of the attempted frame-job of former D3 standout player and Coach.
https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/who-killed-garrett-phillips/about
https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/who-killed-garrett-phillips
https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ny-who-killed-garrett-phillips-hbo-20190721-dx5ekszhundfnhcghdociwjcfy-story.html
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2019/07/hbo-spotlights-north-country-boys-bungled-murder-probe-in-who-killed-garrett-phillips.html
HBO 7/23/2019
https://www.wsj.com/articles/who-killed-garrett-phillips-review-a-breakdown-in-the-law-enforcement-machine-11563475142
https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/movies/2019/07/18/child-death-ruined-life-who-killed-garrett-phillips/gNRhbyVEa5xiU3b9oaJyGP/story.html
National Reviews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNqYyu_Fy9k
Could not stop watching this over the weekend. Astonishing, really, that it took five years for the coach to clear himself. By then his life had been ruined. Fascinating documentary.
Jarring, compelling watch. Found myself seething the whole time at the DA.
Quote from: d3d3d3 on July 29, 2019, 12:24:17 PM
Could not stop watching this over the weekend. Astonishing, really, that it took five years for the coach to clear himself. By then his life had been ruined. Fascinating documentary.
That's what I was thinking — people wrongfully charged (or convicted) get acquitted, but by then the damage is done: to their reputation
and livelihood. I remember seeing a documentary about a guy in Newfoundland (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/dalton-trying-to-rebuild-life-1.240728) who was acquitted (on appeal) 11 years after he was found guilty of his wife's murder, and I think the Province had to pay him $750,000 (CAD) but it did not give him the 11 years he spent behind bars (while his kids grew up) back.
In Hillary's case, the killer is still at large. Nobody wins, but it is good to know that Hillary got at least a sliver of justice.
Puts this entire thing of ours into perspective.
This thing we have is not just kicking around a soccer ball etc...
It is making life long friendships that are there (just in case you get framed) to assist you.
Saints/Cardinals/Ephs we stick together...
They did not take on Hillary ... They took on a brotherhood of hundreds.
Saint, I appreciate the regular updates you have provided on this case and admire the dedication and devotion you have displayed toward your fellow SLU alum. Thank you.
I made the time to watch this...and the entire police office interview scene is incredibly unsettling. I take it there's a Part 2...is that available yet?
I was also struck by the level headedness and solidity of the assistant coach. He comported himself so well while being questioned under baffling circumstances.