D3 SOCCER
2015 MEN'S PLAYERS OF THE YEAR
Midfielder of the Year: Marshall Hollingsworth (Jr.), Wheaton (Ill.)
Defender of the Year: Conor Lanahan (Jr.), Brandeis
Goalkeeper of the Year: Sam Clougher (So.), Kenyon
2014 MEN'S ALL-AMERICANS with 2015 STATS
FIRST TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
M Marshall Hollingsworth * Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 6g 1a
M Logan Andryk Jr. Milwaukee Engr. 9g 9a
D Conor Lanahan Jr. Brandeis 1g 0a (6 SO)
GK Sam Clougher So. Kenyon 6 SO 4 GA
SECOND TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
F Stephen Golz Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 1g 0a (GS 2 of 5) Injured?
M Dylan Williams Jr. Oneonta State 1g 1a
D Harry Copeland * Jr. St. Lawrence 1g 0a (8 SO)
THIRD TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
F Lucas Terci Jr. Montclair State 3g 3a
D Matt Sherr Jr. Emory 2g 1a (4 SO)
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2014 NSCAA ALL AMERICANS
First Team
Pos Name Class School Hometown
D Harry Copeland Jr. St. Lawrence 1g 0a (8 SO)
D Bill Kerr So Lycoming N/A
M Logan Andryk ** Jr. Milwaukee Engineering 9g 9a
M Marshall Hollingsworth* Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 6g 1a
M Dylan Williams Jr. SUNY Oneonta Monroe, N.Y. 1g 1a
Second Team
Pos First Class School Hometown
D Tom Carwile Jr. Trinity (Texas) Tulsa, Okla. 3g 1a (6 SO)
D Conor Lanahan Jr. Brandeis Avon, Conn. 1g 1a (6 SO)
D Daniel Peckham Jr. SUNY Morrisville Webster, N.Y. 0g 1a (5 SO)
M Elliot Borge Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) Western Springs, Ill. 1g 3a
M Caleb Cole So Gordon Coatesville, Pa. 5g 2a
F Bastian Jedliczka Jr. Birmingham-Southern N/A
F Jake Sutherland Jr. SUNY Oneonta Syracuse, N.Y. 3g 1a
F Lucas Terci* Jr. Montclair State Union, N.J. 3g 3a
Third Team
Pos First Class School Hometown
K Niko Giantsopoulos Jr. Calvin Markham, Ont. 6 SO 3 GA
F Anthony Amolo So Kenyon Lagos, Nigeria 9g 4a
F Greg Conrad So Middlebury Peabody, Mass. 2g 2a
F Stephen Golz Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) River Forest, Ill. 1g 0a
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2015 Candidates (not listed above)
M Austin Juniet Thomas More 8g 7a
F Mike Ryan Rutgers-Camden 11g 3a
M Connor Hurff Rutgers-Camden 6g 9a
F Patrick Burns CNU 7g 3a
M Nico Pascuel-Leone Amherst 2g 2a
GK Greg Sydor Middlebury 5 SO
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Not saying these are necessarily all All-American type players (but some will be), but they are players to pay attention if watching a game...
Carmona, a frosh for Kenyon. Not going to score a ton because playing holding mid mostly, but very skilled and technical and did get 2 goals in last game. Barnes (when healthy) and Eudy (transfer from Providence) also both from Kenyon.
Schaefer for OWU.
Julian Gonzalez, Musa, Ables, and EJ Moore for DePauw.
Obviously Kayne and Majumder for Tufts.
Pascual-Leone for Amherst.
Robbie Lynch for Brandeis.
John Ingham for Oberlin.
Patel for Tufts.
I watched a good part of the SLU-Plattsburgh and was VERY impressed with Copeland for SLU. Can't imagine many defenders better than him.
Forgot William Webb for CMU.
Kerr (Lycoming) transferred to UMBC after last season. UMBC was a D1 final four team last year. Has started every game this year for them.
Quote from: NCAC New England on September 29, 2015, 01:35:11 PM
Not saying these are necessarily all All-American type players (but some will be), but they are players to pay attention if watching a game...
Carmona, a frosh for Kenyon. Not going to score a ton because playing holding mid mostly, but very skilled and technical and did get 2 goals in last game. Barnes (when healthy) and Eudy (transfer from Providence) also both from Kenyon.
Schaefer for OWU.
Julian Gonzalez, Musa, Ables, and EJ Moore for DePauw.
Obviously Kayne and Majumder for Tufts.
Pascual-Leone for Amherst.
Robbie Lynch for Brandeis.
John Ingham for Oberlin.
Patel for Tufts.
Pretty spot on picks....
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on September 29, 2015, 01:18:57 PM
D3 SOCCER
2015 MEN'S PLAYERS OF THE YEAR
Midfielder of the Year: Marshall Hollingsworth (Jr.), Wheaton (Ill.)
Defender of the Year: Conor Lanahan (Jr.), Brandeis
Goalkeeper of the Year: Sam Clougher (So.), Kenyon
2014 MEN'S ALL-AMERICANS with 2015 STATS
FIRST TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
M Marshall Hollingsworth * Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 6g 1a
M Logan Andryk Jr. Milwaukee Engr. 9g 9a
D Conor Lanahan Jr. Brandeis 1g 0a (6 SO)
GK Sam Clougher So. Kenyon 6 SO 4 GA
SECOND TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
F Stephen Golz Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 1g 0a (GS 2 of 5) Injured?
M Dylan Williams Jr. Oneonta State 1g 1a
D Harry Copeland * Jr. St. Lawrence 1g 0a (8 SO)
THIRD TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
F Lucas Terci Jr. Montclair State 3g 3a
D Matt Sherr Jr. Emory 2g 1a (4 SO)
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2014 NSCAA ALL AMERICANS
First Team
Pos Name Class School Hometown
D Harry Copeland Jr. St. Lawrence 1g 0a (8 SO)
D Bill Kerr So Lycoming N/A
M Logan Andryk ** Jr. Milwaukee Engineering 9g 9a
M Marshall Hollingsworth* Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 6g 1a
M Dylan Williams Jr. SUNY Oneonta Monroe, N.Y. 1g 1a
Second Team
Pos First Class School Hometown
D Tom Carwile Jr. Trinity (Texas) Tulsa, Okla. 3g 1a (6 SO)
D Conor Lanahan Jr. Brandeis Avon, Conn. 1g 1a (6 SO)
D Daniel Peckham Jr. SUNY Morrisville Webster, N.Y. 0g 1a (5 SO)
M Elliot Borge Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) Western Springs, Ill. 1g 3a
M Caleb Cole So Gordon Coatesville, Pa. 5g 2a
F Bastian Jedliczka Jr. Birmingham-Southern N/A
F Jake Sutherland Jr. SUNY Oneonta Syracuse, N.Y. 3g 1a
F Lucas Terci* Jr. Montclair State Union, N.J. 3g 3a
Third Team
Pos First Class School Hometown
K Niko Giantsopoulos Jr. Calvin Markham, Ont. 6 SO 3 GA
F Anthony Amolo So Kenyon Lagos, Nigeria 9g 4a
F Greg Conrad So Middlebury Peabody, Mass. 2g 2a
F Stephen Golz Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) River Forest, Ill. 1g 0a
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2015 Candidates (not listed above)
M Austin Juniet Thomas More 8g 7a
F Mike Ryan Rutgers-Camden 11g 3a
M Connor Hurff Rutgers-Camden 6g 9a
F Patrick Burns CNU 7g 3a
M Nico Pascuel-Leone Amherst 2g 2a
GK Greg Sydor Middlebury 5 SO
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Please add some worthy candidates to this forum...
I have to disagree with some of these.. No one from Tufts??? No Kayne or Majumder? Some of the players cited play for teams that have "cake" schedules and not much competition. I think that is a factor that you have to consider..... And, obviously NESCAC teams play less games so numbers are lower.....
Quote from: Brother Flounder on September 29, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on September 29, 2015, 01:18:57 PM
D3 SOCCER
2015 MEN'S PLAYERS OF THE YEAR
Midfielder of the Year: Marshall Hollingsworth (Jr.), Wheaton (Ill.)
Defender of the Year: Conor Lanahan (Jr.), Brandeis
Goalkeeper of the Year: Sam Clougher (So.), Kenyon
2014 MEN'S ALL-AMERICANS with 2015 STATS
FIRST TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
M Marshall Hollingsworth * Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 6g 1a
M Logan Andryk Jr. Milwaukee Engr. 9g 9a
D Conor Lanahan Jr. Brandeis 1g 0a (6 SO)
GK Sam Clougher So. Kenyon 6 SO 4 GA
SECOND TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
F Stephen Golz Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 1g 0a (GS 2 of 5) Injured?
M Dylan Williams Jr. Oneonta State 1g 1a
D Harry Copeland * Jr. St. Lawrence 1g 0a (8 SO)
THIRD TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
F Lucas Terci Jr. Montclair State 3g 3a
D Matt Sherr Jr. Emory 2g 1a (4 SO)
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2014 NSCAA ALL AMERICANS
First Team
Pos Name Class School Hometown
D Harry Copeland Jr. St. Lawrence 1g 0a (8 SO)
D Bill Kerr So Lycoming N/A
M Logan Andryk ** Jr. Milwaukee Engineering 9g 9a
M Marshall Hollingsworth* Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 6g 1a
M Dylan Williams Jr. SUNY Oneonta Monroe, N.Y. 1g 1a
Second Team
Pos First Class School Hometown
D Tom Carwile Jr. Trinity (Texas) Tulsa, Okla. 3g 1a (6 SO)
D Conor Lanahan Jr. Brandeis Avon, Conn. 1g 1a (6 SO)
D Daniel Peckham Jr. SUNY Morrisville Webster, N.Y. 0g 1a (5 SO)
M Elliot Borge Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) Western Springs, Ill. 1g 3a
M Caleb Cole So Gordon Coatesville, Pa. 5g 2a
F Bastian Jedliczka Jr. Birmingham-Southern N/A
F Jake Sutherland Jr. SUNY Oneonta Syracuse, N.Y. 3g 1a
F Lucas Terci* Jr. Montclair State Union, N.J. 3g 3a
Third Team
Pos First Class School Hometown
K Niko Giantsopoulos Jr. Calvin Markham, Ont. 6 SO 3 GA
F Anthony Amolo So Kenyon Lagos, Nigeria 9g 4a
F Greg Conrad So Middlebury Peabody, Mass. 2g 2a
F Stephen Golz Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) River Forest, Ill. 1g 0a
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2015 Candidates (not listed above)
M Austin Juniet Thomas More 8g 7a
F Mike Ryan Rutgers-Camden 11g 3a
M Connor Hurff Rutgers-Camden 6g 9a
F Patrick Burns CNU 7g 3a
M Nico Pascuel-Leone Amherst 2g 2a
GK Greg Sydor Middlebury 5 SO
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Please add some worthy candidates to this forum...
I have to disagree with some of these.. No one from Tufts??? No Kayne or Majumder? Some of the players cited play for teams that have "cake" schedules and not much competition. I think that is a factor that you have to consider..... And, obviously NESCAC teams play less games so numbers are lower.....
Flounder, you do realize that LGOTB was simply taking last year's AA teams (D3soccer.com and NSCAA) and removing the graduated seniors to provide a starting point for some players to take a look at?
Haha, well I nailed a couple. Juniet scores first for TMC, and then Gonzalez scores for DePauw. 1-1 at half.
Quote from: Flying Weasel on September 29, 2015, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: Brother Flounder on September 29, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on September 29, 2015, 01:18:57 PM
D3 SOCCER
2015 MEN'S PLAYERS OF THE YEAR
Midfielder of the Year: Marshall Hollingsworth (Jr.), Wheaton (Ill.)
Defender of the Year: Conor Lanahan (Jr.), Brandeis
Goalkeeper of the Year: Sam Clougher (So.), Kenyon
2014 MEN'S ALL-AMERICANS with 2015 STATS
FIRST TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
M Marshall Hollingsworth * Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 6g 1a
M Logan Andryk Jr. Milwaukee Engr. 9g 9a
D Conor Lanahan Jr. Brandeis 1g 0a (6 SO)
GK Sam Clougher So. Kenyon 6 SO 4 GA
SECOND TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
F Stephen Golz Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 1g 0a (GS 2 of 5) Injured?
M Dylan Williams Jr. Oneonta State 1g 1a
D Harry Copeland * Jr. St. Lawrence 1g 0a (8 SO)
THIRD TEAM
Pos. Player Year School
F Lucas Terci Jr. Montclair State 3g 3a
D Matt Sherr Jr. Emory 2g 1a (4 SO)
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2014 NSCAA ALL AMERICANS
First Team
Pos Name Class School Hometown
D Harry Copeland Jr. St. Lawrence 1g 0a (8 SO)
D Bill Kerr So Lycoming N/A
M Logan Andryk ** Jr. Milwaukee Engineering 9g 9a
M Marshall Hollingsworth* Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) 6g 1a
M Dylan Williams Jr. SUNY Oneonta Monroe, N.Y. 1g 1a
Second Team
Pos First Class School Hometown
D Tom Carwile Jr. Trinity (Texas) Tulsa, Okla. 3g 1a (6 SO)
D Conor Lanahan Jr. Brandeis Avon, Conn. 1g 1a (6 SO)
D Daniel Peckham Jr. SUNY Morrisville Webster, N.Y. 0g 1a (5 SO)
M Elliot Borge Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) Western Springs, Ill. 1g 3a
M Caleb Cole So Gordon Coatesville, Pa. 5g 2a
F Bastian Jedliczka Jr. Birmingham-Southern N/A
F Jake Sutherland Jr. SUNY Oneonta Syracuse, N.Y. 3g 1a
F Lucas Terci* Jr. Montclair State Union, N.J. 3g 3a
Third Team
Pos First Class School Hometown
K Niko Giantsopoulos Jr. Calvin Markham, Ont. 6 SO 3 GA
F Anthony Amolo So Kenyon Lagos, Nigeria 9g 4a
F Greg Conrad So Middlebury Peabody, Mass. 2g 2a
F Stephen Golz Jr. Wheaton (Ill.) River Forest, Ill. 1g 0a
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2015 Candidates (not listed above)
M Austin Juniet Thomas More 8g 7a
F Mike Ryan Rutgers-Camden 11g 3a
M Connor Hurff Rutgers-Camden 6g 9a
F Patrick Burns CNU 7g 3a
M Nico Pascuel-Leone Amherst 2g 2a
GK Greg Sydor Middlebury 5 SO
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Please add some worthy candidates to this forum...
I have to disagree with some of these.. No one from Tufts??? No Kayne or Majumder? Some of the players cited play for teams that have "cake" schedules and not much competition. I think that is a factor that you have to consider..... And, obviously NESCAC teams play less games so numbers are lower.....
Flounder, you do realize that LGOTB was simply taking last year's AA teams (D3soccer.com and NSCAA) and removing the graduated seniors to provide a starting point for some players to take a look at?
my mistake Weasel..... I seem to be making alot lately... lol...
Dylan Hottsmith -- UW-W
GK T Bull--Amherst
Gotta throw Waso from Etown in the mix - even though he is a freshman - kid is the real deal
MSOE Braden Andryk Sophomore
Younger brother of soon-to-be 4-time All-American Logan Andryk. The two of them together are tough to handle.
13 goals 1 assist through 10 games.
10 goals in last 4 games.
Quote from: Jump4Joy on October 01, 2015, 07:37:13 AM
GK T Bull--Amherst
I think Bull was at his best his Frosh and Soph years. He is still a top level GK in D3 but he is starting to make some mistakes I never saw him make his first two years. Lately he is flying out of net out to the 18 to deal with balls with his feet or head. He also has been dropping an occasional ball or 2 off corners and set pieces that he would normally catch. Who could forget the ball he dropped in the 2014 season opener against Midd. Also he seems a little more awkward getting down almost like a 1/4 step slower doing so. Even with all this nitpicking I still feel he is a top D3 keeper.
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 01, 2015, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: Jump4Joy on October 01, 2015, 07:37:13 AM
GK T Bull--Amherst
I think Bull was at his best his Frosh and Soph years. He is still a top level GK in D3 but he is starting to make some mistakes I never saw him make his first two years. Lately he is flying out of net out to the 18 to deal with balls with his feet or head. He also has been dropping an occasional ball or 2 off corners and set pieces that he would normally catch. Who could forget the ball he dropped in the 2014 season opener against Midd. Also he seems a little more awkward getting down almost like a 1/4 step slower doing so. Even with all this nitpicking I still feel he is a top D3 keeper.
Right, I agree with this analysis. I have watched him over the last 4 years and, so far, his first 2 years were his best. Yes, he is still a top echelon D3 keeper.....
GK may be the strongest position in the NESCAC. At least 4 or 5 good enough to be All-Americans.
Quote from: casualfan on October 01, 2015, 11:55:28 AM
MSOE Braden Andryk Sophomore
Younger brother of soon-to-be 4-time All-American Logan Andryk. The two of them together are tough to handle.
13 goals 1 assist through 10 games.
10 goals in last 4 games.
These are very good players... Sometimes I wonder though how they would perform in tougher conferences... would the numbers be so high..... That said, they are excellent players...
Quote from: Brother Flounder on October 01, 2015, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: casualfan on October 01, 2015, 11:55:28 AM
MSOE Braden Andryk Sophomore
Younger brother of soon-to-be 4-time All-American Logan Andryk. The two of them together are tough to handle.
13 goals 1 assist through 10 games.
10 goals in last 4 games.
These are very good players... Sometimes I wonder though how they would perform in tougher conferences... would the numbers be so high..... That said, they are excellent players...
Do you know anything about them? And if not, why would you suggest that they are very good or excellent players?
Mr.Right, how would you rank top 5 GKs in NESCAC?
Quote from: NCAC New England on October 01, 2015, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: Brother Flounder on October 01, 2015, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: casualfan on October 01, 2015, 11:55:28 AM
MSOE Braden Andryk Sophomore
Younger brother of soon-to-be 4-time All-American Logan Andryk. The two of them together are tough to handle.
13 goals 1 assist through 10 games.
10 goals in last 4 games.
These are very good players... Sometimes I wonder though how they would perform in tougher conferences... would the numbers be so high..... That said, they are excellent players...
Do you know anything about them? And if not, why would you suggest that they are very good or excellent players?
I have seen them a few times. More importantly, is my other point about schedules...
Quote from: Brother Flounder on October 01, 2015, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on October 01, 2015, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: Brother Flounder on October 01, 2015, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: casualfan on October 01, 2015, 11:55:28 AM
MSOE Braden Andryk Sophomore
Younger brother of soon-to-be 4-time All-American Logan Andryk. The two of them together are tough to handle.
13 goals 1 assist through 10 games.
10 goals in last 4 games.
These are very good players... Sometimes I wonder though how they would perform in tougher conferences... would the numbers be so high..... That said, they are excellent players...
Do you know anything about them? And if not, why would you suggest that they are very good or excellent players?
I have seen them a few times. More importantly, is my other point about schedules...
We know your point about conferences and schedules. You've made that point a few times. Which games did you watch involving the the MSOE brothers?
Quote from: NCAC New England on October 01, 2015, 01:09:38 PM
Mr.Right, how would you rank top 5 GKs in NESCAC?
Ranking based on THIS year alone, not career or potential. I will copy and paste on Nescac board as really this is a Nescac issue
1. Midd- Greg Sydor
2. Amherst- Tom Bull
3. Tufts- Scott Greenwodd
4. Wesleyan Jack Katkavich
5. Williams Christian Alcorn
Stevie Van Siclen is one of the best goalies in the league but has not quite played up to potential this year. Also, I was kind of harsh in my critique at the beginning of the year of Conn's Austin Dacunha as he is beginning to wear on me and I have seen him make some tremendous saves this year.
Trinity's Zabala makes some great saves but also makes some grave mistakes. That also goes for Bates GK Polito.
Not a fan of Pollack of Hamilton and Colby cannot figure out themselves who to start week in and week out.
Quote from: NCAC New England on October 01, 2015, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: Brother Flounder on October 01, 2015, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on October 01, 2015, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: Brother Flounder on October 01, 2015, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: casualfan on October 01, 2015, 11:55:28 AM
MSOE Braden Andryk Sophomore
Younger brother of soon-to-be 4-time All-American Logan Andryk. The two of them together are tough to handle.
13 goals 1 assist through 10 games.
10 goals in last 4 games.
These are very good players... Sometimes I wonder though how they would perform in tougher conferences... would the numbers be so high..... That said, they are excellent players...
Do you know anything about them? And if not, why would you suggest that they are very good or excellent players?
I have seen them a few times. More importantly, is my other point about schedules...
We know your point about conferences and schedules. You've made that point a few times. Which games did you watch involving the the MSOE brothers?
NCAC, do I really have to keep justifying everything for you? Really?
No, you don't, but do you see how it makes a difference? You want to reach conclusions on players you know literally nothing about just because they are not playing in the NESCAC or some other conference you are more familiar with that you respect. Advocate for your guys to your heart's content, but please don't make judgments about others for whom you have no basis to make a judgment. Does that make any sense?
Quote from: NCAC New England on October 01, 2015, 03:00:54 PM
No, you don't, but do you see how it makes a difference? You want to reach conclusions on players you know literally nothing about just because they are not playing in the NESCAC or some other conference you are more familiar with that you respect. Advocate for your guys to your heart's content, but please don't make judgments about others for whom you have no basis to make a judgment. Does that make any sense?
It doesn't make sense because I have watched them play... Does that make sense? Please....... I really can't believe I am getting into it again with you. FYI I saw the older one play with Patrick Hodan of Notre Dame when they played for FC Milwaukee at the USSDA Academy Showcase in Florida for 3 years. Now, I won't justify myself to you again. Does that make sense???
Quote from: Brother Flounder on October 01, 2015, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on October 01, 2015, 03:00:54 PM
No, you don't, but do you see how it makes a difference? You want to reach conclusions on players you know literally nothing about just because they are not playing in the NESCAC or some other conference you are more familiar with that you respect. Advocate for your guys to your heart's content, but please don't make judgments about others for whom you have no basis to make a judgment. Does that make any sense?
It doesn't make sense because I have watched them play... Does that make sense? Please....... I really can't believe I am getting into it again with you. FYI I saw the older one play with Patrick Hodan of Notre Dame when they played for FC Milwaukee at the USSDA Academy Showcase in Florida for 3 years. Now, I won't justify myself to you again. Does that make sense??? I should smite you but I am above that.....
Quote from: Brother Flounder on October 01, 2015, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on October 01, 2015, 03:00:54 PM
No, you don't, but do you see how it makes a difference? You want to reach conclusions on players you know literally nothing about just because they are not playing in the NESCAC or some other conference you are more familiar with that you respect. Advocate for your guys to your heart's content, but please don't make judgments about others for whom you have no basis to make a judgment. Does that make any sense?
It doesn't make sense because I have watched them play... Does that make sense? Please....... I really can't believe I am getting into it again with you. FYI I saw the older one play with Patrick Hodan of Notre Dame when they played for FC Milwaukee at the USSDA Academy Showcase in Florida for 3 years. Now, I won't justify myself to you again. Does that make sense
OK BF, sure. Try to remember that YOU brought up the comparisons and initiated this with sweeping generalizations. One might think you could have described why the brothers (plural) didn't measure up for you.
NCAC New England, when did Brother Flounder ever say that they didn't measure up?
What he said was . . .
Quote from: Brother Flounder on October 01, 2015, 01:01:48 PMThese are very good players... Sometimes I wonder though how they would perform in tougher conferences... would the numbers be so high..... That said, they are excellent players...
I don't read or infer any "didn't measure up" in there at all.
He does ask a very valid question about what there stats would look like playing in a tougher conference. And I'm here to say that their stats would almost certainly be lower in a conference where there were more challenging, tight, low scoring games and fewer gimmees. Simple math: less blow-outs, lower scoring for the team = fewer goals and assists for the players. Nothing controversial in that.
And you seemed at first to be asking a similarly valid question, but I'm not sure any more. I thought you wanted to know which games/opponents Brother Flounder had seen them play in/against to know if he saw them play against weak/average/strong opposition. For example, if someone had a glowing report on a player but it was based upon a blow-out game against a significantly inferior opponent, you might understandably not take the glowing report at face value. And similarly, if someone wasn't impressed with a player, but here he watched them playing a Top 10 team, you might think it only fair to give the player another chance to show what he can do as top teams and top players can stale-mate each other.
In conclusion, not sure why the argument between you two. I'm confused. Did I miss a post in there?
Notwithstanding the history between the said posters regarding exaggerations or very generalized reactions fitting in with the "what about us over here in the NESCAC" theme, which I believe you commented on directly in response to BF just a few weeks ago, you may recall that in this instance you actually responded first to BF, in fact correcting him, after he wrote the following in this very thread...
"I have to disagree with some of these.. No one from Tufts??? No Kayne or Majumder? Some of the players cited play for teams that have "cake" schedules and not much competition. I think that is a factor that you have to consider..... And, obviously NESCAC teams play less games so numbers are lower....."
Now obviously I can't be 100% who in the original posted list he was referring to, but just one page later in the thread, after a poster mentions the Andryk brothers positively, BF is then the first poster to jump in and question (I think it's reasonable to suggest was intending to counter the post), and then offered what you noted above. Perhaps "not measuring up" was too strong, but after already raising the question on the legitimacy of some players being on the actual end-of-the-season real lists from last year, and then chiming in here on the Andryk brothers, I think we could ask "well, who else was he referring to in that first post?"
At any rate, it was clear to me if not to you (as he basically confirmed in his first response to me), he wanted to reiterate a point about tough conferences and players [perhaps getting too much credit] who might otherwise not have the stats in a tougher conference. Well, if that's all he was intending, we all know that already, don't we. But what does that infer, if anything. IMHO he intended inferences, given, again his first reaction in the thread and the nature of this thread itself. IMHO these other players from conferences and regions that do not get a lot of attention here should get even more....NOT have their mere mention countered by how incredible the NESCAC is. And I believe that is very close to the point you made, ironically to BF, about the NESCAC getting plenty of recognition. Now it's true he didn't use "NESCAC" in what you quoted, but would you think that might be the conference (or one of the conferences) in his head as he's writing that and by association downgrading the stats of those players?
And you're right. Based on past posting, I was asking him what he was basing his opinion on, given that he did, nonetheless offer an opinion on the players...."very good....still excellent players, though" or words to that effect. He was more than ready to jump into the discussion but then did not want to answer the basis of his judgments. I don't think he's seen these brothers in college and I've seen similar opinions offered with no basis other than assuming his favored players have to be better. I don't think he's seen these players play at MSOE. I sure haven't yet. He initially ignored that and then later said he had seen the older brother at showcases, so even if true, what, like 4, 5, 6 years ago?? Not really a basis of an assessment of a player in his junior and senior years college seasons or his brother.
Let me know if that still doesn't make sense.
I read his post literally (the same way I try to write and prefer to be read) and didn't see the big deal. I didn't even realize he was the same person who I corrected a page early (another post which I did not see any big deal with; my correction was not about what he wrote but about his apparent misunderstanding of the post he was responding to). Whether due to indifference or preoccupation (probably good measures of both), I really don't keep track of the who's and what's of these on-going spits and spats, so in my "ignorance is bliss" fog the spat didn't make sense and seem like it could be diffused as I attempted to do. <Man, did I really just waste a whole post on non-soccer stuff? Sheesh. 10 minutes I'll never have back.>
Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 01, 2015, 07:24:55 PM
I read his post literally (the same way I try to write and prefer to be read) and didn't see the big deal. I didn't even realize he was the same person who I corrected a page early (another post which I did not see any big deal with; my correction was not about what he wrote but about his apparent misunderstanding of the post he was responding to). Whether due to indifference or preoccupation (probably good measures of both), I really don't keep track of the who's and what's of these on-going spits and spats, so in my "ignorance is bliss" fog the spat didn't make sense and seem like it could be diffused as I attempted to do. <Man, did I really just waste a whole post on non-soccer stuff? Sheesh. 10 minutes I'll never have back.>
Fair enough. I knew you were ONLY correcting him, although that post was pretty clearly marked as last year's AA lists. In any case, having now read this from that first post you corrected.....
"I have to disagree with some of these.. No one from Tufts??? No Kayne or Majumder? Some of the players cited play for teams that have "cake" schedules and not much competition."
....can you see I how I might have read the second one the way I did?
I wouldn't disagree that you may have wasted your time, but I would disagree that you wasted it on non-soccer stuff. 90% of posts, even the really good ones, are at least indirectly tied to soccer allegiances...which seems to be what really drives the site, mostly in a good way...and I would suggest that SO FAR the site, both in terms of formal site content AND forum content....is having its best year ever.
FW, maybe this will jog your memory from a weeks ago when BF complained about "No love for NESCAC from Hero Sports" in the context of which he again was complaining about specific players -- included and omitted -- and noting the same points about strength of conferences, NESCAC having less games, etc.
You wrote in response to him, in part...."Finally, try being less hypersensitive to any perceived lack of recognition for being the absolute best. It's unbecoming for you and a turn-off (to say the least) to the rest of us." That was pretty direct, I'd say.
But I don't want my memory jogged. I don't keep score. And I certainly don't care to be pulled into any riff between posters. For the most part I don't remember whose posts I have responded to. I respond to posts, not to posters. I mainly respond to what is written, not who wrote it. I honestly had no idea BF was the poster I responded to up-thread or who I responded to in a different thread a couple week ago. And guess what? I. Don't. Care. I enjoy the boards much more not worrying about such things. That's my approach. Works for me. (Disclaimer: I wasn't always this way. I had my "moments" back in the good old days of BlueJayFan's D3 Soccer Message Board in the 2000's; I liked mixing it up with the E-town and Trinity fans. Good memories!)
Now, about the Andryk brothers? Who HAS seen them play for MSOE? I've been intrigued by Logan Andryk seeing his stats and how MSOE has improved in recent years.
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Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 01, 2015, 09:16:37 PM
But I don't want my memory jogged. I don't keep score. And I certainly don't care to be pulled into any riff between posters. For the most part I don't remember whose posts I have responded to. I respond to posts, not to posters. I mainly respond to what is written, not who wrote it. I honestly had no idea BF was the poster I responded to up-thread or who I responded to in a different thread a couple week ago. And guess what? I. Don't. Care. I enjoy the boards much more not worrying about such things. That's my approach. Works for me. (Disclaimer: I wasn't always this way. I had my "moments" back in the good old days of BlueJayFan's D3 Soccer Message Board in the 2000's; I liked mixing it up with the E-town and Trinity fans. Good memories!)
Now, about the Andryk brothers? Who HAS seen them play for MSOE? I've been intrigued by Logan Andryk seeing his stats and how MSOE has improved in recent years.
Thanks for your candor and honesty. i won't be drawn into it either as I didn't create the spat and don't really feel obligated to justify anything. I didn't make the post to create argument but some like to drum it up. Other posters had similar issues in the past. FW, there is no spat or malicious intent on my part..Oh, maybe i made a mistake in a post that I lived up and admitted. Big Woof!.. I look forward to your continued analysis and candor. I don't know the score either..So, instead of giving NCAC a smite, I'll give you and applaud.......Thanks FW...
Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 01, 2015, 09:16:37 PM
But I don't want my memory jogged. I don't keep score. And I certainly don't care to be pulled into any riff between posters. For the most part I don't remember whose posts I have responded to. I respond to posts, not to posters. I mainly respond to what is written, not who wrote it. I honestly had no idea BF was the poster I responded to up-thread or who I responded to in a different thread a couple week ago. And guess what? I. Don't. Care. I enjoy the boards much more not worrying about such things. That's my approach. Works for me. (Disclaimer: I wasn't always this way. I had my "moments" back in the good old days of BlueJayFan's D3 Soccer Message Board in the 2000's; I liked mixing it up with the E-town and Trinity fans. Good memories!)
Now, about the Andryk brothers? Who HAS seen them play for MSOE? I've been intrigued by Logan Andryk seeing his stats and how MSOE has improved in recent years.
Moving aside from the little "spat" we just think differently, which obviously is fine. I read the site as a text, and have the view that text is inseparable from the author. Thus I see patterns, how one responds to things and processes them in his mind, like how you handled your recap of the Messiah game last night. Certainly whenever you personally, or Mr.Right, or whoever, posts readers notice that the post is coming from you, and they appreciate it in part because it is coming from you. You are well-identified as having allegiance to Messiah but very skilled in how you think and poster and consider your allegiance and take that into account in your offerings. This is actually interesting to me, because I would not even begin to know how to read content with no consciousness of where it was coming from.
FW, I have seen the Andryks play in person, on internet feeds, and when they were high schoolers.
These two are smooth operators. Logan is more of the creator while Braden is the chaos player. Both require attention for 90 minutes as they have the ability to change a match in the snap of a finger. They're always hungry, always in the mood for a good match. I feel they also have the intangible of making those around them better- a true measure of an exceptional player.
These brothers give their best effort every time they're on the pitch, from what I've heard they do well in their studies, and in talking with them briefly they have been nothing but polite, standup gentlemen.
Isn't that what being an all-american is about?
I've also had the privilege of seeing the Andryks operate on the field a number of times.
Logan does just about everything for the Raiders. Every corner, free kick, long throw-in, penalty kick, you name it...which is a major reason why he has so many assists year to year. But every serve is 100% perfect and his teammates do an excellent job attacking his services. He's one of the most athletic players on the field in every game to go along with his outstanding technical abilities.
Braden is a streaky little guy who has a freakishly good knack for the goal. Always pops up in the right situation and can finish anywhere from 30 on in, usually with finesse and ease. He's quick and works very hard off the ball to create for himself and his teammates. It will be very interesting to see how he can perform in the next 2 seasons once Logan graduates.
But for now, the Andryks are rolling and will give any team fits for 90+ minutes.
Also just FYI for those not around the Midwest, MSOE's home field is located ON TOP of a Parking Garage. Pretty sweet venue.
http://www.go-raiders.com/facilities/viets_field
Quote from: casualfan on October 02, 2015, 12:48:25 AM
I've also had the privilege of seeing the Andryks operate on the field a number of times.
Logan does just about everything for the Raiders. Every corner, free kick, long throw-in, penalty kick, you name it...which is a major reason why he has so many assists year to year. But every serve is 100% perfect and his teammates do an excellent job attacking his services. He's one of the most athletic players on the field in every game to go along with his outstanding technical abilities.
Braden is a streaky little guy who has a freakishly good knack for the goal. Always pops up in the right situation and can finish anywhere from 30 on in, usually with finesse and ease. He's quick and works very hard off the ball to create for himself and his teammates. It will be very interesting to see how he can perform in the next 2 seasons once Logan graduates.
But for now, the Andryks are rolling and will give any team fits for 90+ minutes.
Also just FYI for those not around the Midwest, MSOE's home field is located ON TOP of a Parking Garage. Pretty sweet venue.
http://www.go-raiders.com/facilities/viets_field
Add Cvecko to the list. He didn't score in the game I saw - against Capital - but the tenacity and competitiveness he demonstrated (CWRU was down a man for close to 70 minutes) is second to none.
http://athletics.case.edu/sports/msoc/2014-15/bios/cvecko_chris_10kw
Brenton Desai of UChicago should get some recognition this year. All-UAA First Team last year as a sophomore and has 7 goals in 11 games so far this season and 4 GWG
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/msoc/2015-16/bios/desai_brenton_t7aa?view=bio
Chris Cvecko -- Case Western
Having a NESCAC bias and watching many games I will second both Pascal-Leone and Kayne for what they mean to their respective teams, one a scorer-NPL, and one who can control the tempo and direction of a game and who may be the best passer in D3, a complete 2 way player-Kayne. Yes, you may not see high numbers, but they perform in a knock down drag out low scoring league...would be interesting to see the two play on the same team....