NCAA Tournament Win %
Tufts (9-4-3)........................NESCAC 5 2014 8-3-0 (.727) 0.727
Rutgers-Camden (13-7-2)......NJAC 5 2013 8-3-1 (.708) 0.708
Oneonta State (15-3-1).........SUNYAC 5 2014 8-3-1 (.708) 0.708
Trinity (Texas) (19-2-0).........SCAC 19 2014 36-16-3 (.682) 0.682
Loras (14-4-1)......................IIAC 11 2014 21-9-3 (.682) 0.682
Ohio Wesleyan (15-4-2).........NCAC 38 2014 63-32-6 (.653) 0.653
Brandeis (16-2-1).................UAA 13 2014 19-11-0 (.633) 0.633
Redlands (16-3-2)................SCIAC 10 2011 13-7-3 (.630) 0.63
Amherst (14-1-1).................NESCAC 14 2014 20-11-6 (.622) 0.622
UW-Oshkosh (11-3-3)...........WIAC 14 2013 19-11-3 (.621) 0.621
Stevens (15-3-2)..................Empire 8 14 2014 17-9-7 (.621) 0.621
Babson (12-6-2)...................NEWMAC 24 2014 30-18-3 (.618) 0.618
Ohio Northern (17-4-1)..........OAC 8 2013 10-6-1 (.618) 0.618
St. Lawrence (14-3-2)............Liberty 20 2014 27-17-2 (.609) 0.609
Wheaton (Ill.) (12-3-3)...........CCIW 36 2014 48-31-3 (.604) 0.604
Rowan (16-5-0).....................NJAC 25 2003 32-21-2 (.600) 0.6
Scranton (10-6-2).................Landmark 15 2012 21-14-0 (.600) 0.6
Whitworth (16-1-1)...............NWC 9 2014 11-7-2 (.600) 0.6
Washington U. (11-4-3).........UAA 22 2012 28-20-2 (.580) 0.58
Kenyon (17-1-0)...................NCAC 12 2014 14-11-0 (.560) 0.56
Franklin and Marshall (15-3)...Cent 6 2014 6-5-0 (.545) 0.545
Methodist (14-4-3)................USA-S 8 2012 8-7-0 (.533) 0.533
Calvin (20-0-1).....................MIAA 14 2014 14-12-6 (.531) 0.531
Macalester...........................MIAC 12 8-8-3 (.500) 0.5
Chicago (11-5-2)..................UAA 7 2014 4-4-3 (.500) 0.5
Montclair State (18-2-1)........NJAC 16 2014 14-14-3 (.500) 0.5
Haverford (16-3-0)...............Cent 5 2012 1-1-1 (.500) 0.5
Gordon (15-4-0)...................CCC 3 2013 1-1-1 (.500) 0.5
Lycoming (16-1-2)................MACF 2 2013 1-1-0 (.500) 0.5
Washington and Lee (15-3-2).ODAC 2 2000 1-1-0 (.500) 0.5
UW-Whitewater (14-3-1)........WIAC 13 2014 10-10-3 (.500) 0.5
Salisbury (13-3-3).................CAC 13 2014 8-10-5 (.457) 0.457
Bowdoin (10-3-4)..................NESCAC 7 2014 3-4-3 (.450) 0.45
Plattsburgh State (14-4-3).....SUNYAC 12 2013 5-8-5 (.417) 0.417
Carnegie Mellon (11-3-3).......UAA 12 2013 6-9-2 (.412) 0.412
Dickinson (12-4-3)................Cent 7 2014 4-6-0 (.400) 0.4
Westminster (Pa.) (11-5-4)....Pres 4 2008 2-3-0 (.400) 0.4
Westminster (Mo.) (17-2-0)...SLIAC 4 2014 2-3-0 (.400) 0.4
RPI (11-4-3)........................Liberty 7 2012 3-6-0 (.333) 0.333
MIT (16-2-1).......................NEWMAC 5 2013 2-4-0 (.333) 0.333
Morrisville State (13-4-2)......NEAC 3 2014 1-2-0 (.333) 0.333
St. Olaf (13-7-1)..................MIAC 7 2011 2-6-0 (.250) 0.25
Rose-Hulman (13-2-5)..........HCAC 5 2014 1-4-1 (.250) 0.25
Texas-Dallas (15-3-3)...........ASC 4 2014 1-3-0 (.250) 0.25
Bridgewater State (17-3-1)....MASCAC 5 2013 1-4-0 (.200) 0.2
DePauw (11-3-4)..................NCAC 11 2012 2-10-0 (.167) 0.167
Thomas More (16-2-1)...........Pres 7 2014 1-6-0 (.143) 0.143
Cabrini (15-2-3)....................CSAC 5 2012 0-3-1 (.125) 0.125
Eastern (16-2-2)...................MACF 5 2007 0-4-1 (.100) 0.1
Johnson and Wales (17-4-0)...GNAC 7 2014 0-6-0 (.000) 0
St. Scholastica (18-2-1).........UMAC 5 2014 0-4-0 (.000) 0
Lake Forest (13-6-1).............MWC 4 2013 0-3-0 (.000) 0
Thomas (13-4-1)..................NAC 4 2013 0-3-0 (.000) 0
CCNY (11-7-1).....................CUNYAC 3 2005 0-2-0 (.000) 0
Carthage (11-7-3)................CCIW 3 2011 0-2-0 (.000) 0
Daniel Webster (18-3-0)........NECC 3 2014 0-2-0 (.000) 0
Mass-Boston (16-4-0)............LEC 2 2014 0-1-0 (.000) 0
MSOE (14-4-1).....................NACC 2 2014 0-1-0 (.000) 0
Mt Aloysius..........................AMCC N/A
Sage...................................SKYLINE N/A
Millsaps...............................SAA N/A
NCAA TOURNAMENT TEAM SOS
Amherst.............0.573 4-0-0
MIT....................0.547 2-0-1
Tufts..................0.623 4-3-1
Plattsburgh St.....0.577 1-3-1
RPI....................0.564 2-1-0
F&M...................0.571 3-3-0
Dickinson............0.595 3-3-1
MSU...................0.584 6-2-1
Rowan................0.595 4-5-0
CMU...................0.579 3-2-0
DePauw..............0.570 3-3-2
Thomas More.......0.525 1-1-1
Ohio Wesleyan.....0.597 3-3-1
Washington U......0.585 2-2-0
Wheaton IL.........0.558 2-2-2
Chicago..............0.599 3-4-0
Macalester..........0.559 2-0-1
UW-Oshkosh.......0.565 2-3-2
SOS Avg: .575
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 09, 2015, 03:04:42 PM
NCAA Tournament Win %
Tufts (9-4-3)........................NESCAC 5 2014 8-3-0 (.727) 0.727
Rutgers-Camden (13-7-2)......NJAC 5 2013 8-3-1 (.708) 0.708
Oneonta State (15-3-1).........SUNYAC 5 2014 8-3-1 (.708) 0.708
Trinity (Texas) (19-2-0).........SCAC 19 2014 36-16-3 (.682) 0.682
Loras (14-4-1)......................IIAC 11 2014 21-9-3 (.682) 0.682
Ohio Wesleyan (15-4-2).........NCAC 38 2014 63-32-6 (.653) 0.653
Brandeis (16-2-1).................UAA 13 2014 19-11-0 (.633) 0.633
Redlands (16-3-2)................SCIAC 10 2011 13-7-3 (.630) 0.63
Amherst (14-1-1).................NESCAC 14 2014 20-11-6 (.622) 0.622
UW-Oshkosh (11-3-3)...........WIAC 14 2013 19-11-3 (.621) 0.621
Stevens (15-3-2)..................Empire 8 14 2014 17-9-7 (.621) 0.621
Babson (12-6-2)...................NEWMAC 24 2014 30-18-3 (.618) 0.618
Ohio Northern (17-4-1)..........OAC 8 2013 10-6-1 (.618) 0.618
St. Lawrence (14-3-2)............Liberty 20 2014 27-17-2 (.609) 0.609
Wheaton (Ill.) (12-3-3)...........CCIW 36 2014 48-31-3 (.604) 0.604
Rowan (16-5-0).....................NJAC 25 2003 32-21-2 (.600) 0.6
Scranton (10-6-2).................Landmark 15 2012 21-14-0 (.600) 0.6
Whitworth (16-1-1)...............NWC 9 2014 11-7-2 (.600) 0.6
Washington U. (11-4-3).........UAA 22 2012 28-20-2 (.580) 0.58
Kenyon (17-1-0)...................NCAC 12 2014 14-11-0 (.560) 0.56
Franklin and Marshall (15-3)...Cent 6 2014 6-5-0 (.545) 0.545
Methodist (14-4-3)................USA-S 8 2012 8-7-0 (.533) 0.533
Calvin (20-0-1).....................MIAA 14 2014 14-12-6 (.531) 0.531
Macalester...........................MIAC 12 8-8-3 (.500) 0.5
Chicago (11-5-2)..................UAA 7 2014 4-4-3 (.500) 0.5
Montclair State (18-2-1)........NJAC 16 2014 14-14-3 (.500) 0.5
Haverford (16-3-0)...............Cent 5 2012 1-1-1 (.500) 0.5
Gordon (15-4-0)...................CCC 3 2013 1-1-1 (.500) 0.5
Lycoming (16-1-2)................MACF 2 2013 1-1-0 (.500) 0.5
Washington and Lee (15-3-2).ODAC 2 2000 1-1-0 (.500) 0.5
UW-Whitewater (14-3-1)........WIAC 13 2014 10-10-3 (.500) 0.5
Salisbury (13-3-3).................CAC 13 2014 8-10-5 (.457) 0.457
Bowdoin (10-3-4)..................NESCAC 7 2014 3-4-3 (.450) 0.45
Plattsburgh State (14-4-3).....SUNYAC 12 2013 5-8-5 (.417) 0.417
Carnegie Mellon (11-3-3).......UAA 12 2013 6-9-2 (.412) 0.412
Dickinson (12-4-3)................Cent 7 2014 4-6-0 (.400) 0.4
Westminster (Pa.) (11-5-4)....Pres 4 2008 2-3-0 (.400) 0.4
Westminster (Mo.) (17-2-0)...SLIAC 4 2014 2-3-0 (.400) 0.4
RPI (11-4-3)........................Liberty 7 2012 3-6-0 (.333) 0.333
MIT (16-2-1).......................NEWMAC 5 2013 2-4-0 (.333) 0.333
Morrisville State (13-4-2)......NEAC 3 2014 1-2-0 (.333) 0.333
St. Olaf (13-7-1)..................MIAC 7 2011 2-6-0 (.250) 0.25
Rose-Hulman (13-2-5)..........HCAC 5 2014 1-4-1 (.250) 0.25
Texas-Dallas (15-3-3)...........ASC 4 2014 1-3-0 (.250) 0.25
Bridgewater State (17-3-1)....MASCAC 5 2013 1-4-0 (.200) 0.2
DePauw (11-3-4)..................NCAC 11 2012 2-10-0 (.167) 0.167
Thomas More (16-2-1)...........Pres 7 2014 1-6-0 (.143) 0.143
Cabrini (15-2-3)....................CSAC 5 2012 0-3-1 (.125) 0.125
Eastern (16-2-2)...................MACF 5 2007 0-4-1 (.100) 0.1
Johnson and Wales (17-4-0)...GNAC 7 2014 0-6-0 (.000) 0
St. Scholastica (18-2-1).........UMAC 5 2014 0-4-0 (.000) 0
Lake Forest (13-6-1).............MWC 4 2013 0-3-0 (.000) 0
Thomas (13-4-1)..................NAC 4 2013 0-3-0 (.000) 0
CCNY (11-7-1).....................CUNYAC 3 2005 0-2-0 (.000) 0
Carthage (11-7-3)................CCIW 3 2011 0-2-0 (.000) 0
Daniel Webster (18-3-0)........NECC 3 2014 0-2-0 (.000) 0
Mass-Boston (16-4-0)............LEC 2 2014 0-1-0 (.000) 0
MSOE (14-4-1).....................NACC 2 2014 0-1-0 (.000) 0
Mt Aloysius..........................AMCC N/A
Sage...................................SKYLINE N/A
Millsaps...............................SAA N/A
Lycoming is MACC not MACF.
Calvin didn't get to host, traveling down to Ohio Wesleyan for the pod there. Not sure if this is because of their 5th place in the 3rd regional ranking or because it was the women's turn to host (the Calvin women will be hosting a pod here in Grand Rapids).
I suspect it's the latter. Three of the teams ahead of Calvin in the regional ranking lost or tied in the last week, and the matchups in the pod suggest Calvin was the top seed of the four teams.
I like the pod. True, they have to get through their old nemesis Ohio Wesleyan if neither team is upset, but last year they tied at OWU, and this year Calvin is stronger than they were last year. And Ohio Wesleyan is weaker. Massey says Calvin 1.75 OWU 1.28, with Calvin's chance of winning 54% to OWU's 32%. Sounds about right to me.
Typo, MAC...
Thomas More at .525 and 1 ranked win is our geographical pick this year.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 09, 2015, 03:30:13 PM
Thomas More at .525 and 1 ranked win is our geographical pick this year.
Plus a pretty poor track record when they have made the NCAA tournament in the past with only 1 win out of 7 games if I read the above chart correctly.
LGOTB, it looks like you got that list from D3soccer.com because that's precisely the info we give for each team on our Tournament Participants pages, but I couldn't find any reference to MACF / Freedom for Lycoming. Was that a personal typo on your end?
It is. I deleted commonwealth and input F by mistake...
Upset Special of the Tournament... Cabrini over Amherst. Cabrini is organized and way under the radar... don't sleep on a potential PK game here... Also, Lycoming is a definite dark horse (if you could even call them that given their ranking).
RPI makes selection committee look good again, by winning the title just like Tufts did last year hahaha.
CSS finally has a path that could maybe see them reach the Elite 8...
Chicago a potential sleeper as well...
Trinity 6/1
Haverford 6/1
Oneonta St 6/1
Loras 6/1
MSU 6/1
Brandeis 10/1
Amherst 10/1
Oneonta St 10/1
Calvin 15/1
Kenyon 15/1
SLU 25/1
Tufts 30/1
Camden 30/1
Wheaton 30/1
F&M 40/1
OWU 40/1
Field 50/1
What do you have, Mr.Right?
Amherst at 10/1 because Amherst is... Amherst
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 09, 2015, 03:30:06 PM
Typo, MAC...
No worries just watching out for the regional teams! ;D ;) :D
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 09, 2015, 03:42:59 PM
It is. I deleted commonwealth and input F by mistake...
Upset Special of the Tournament... Cabrini over Amherst. Cabrini is organized and way under the radar... don't sleep on a potential PK game here... Also, Lycoming is a definite dark horse (if you could even call them that given their ranking).
RPI makes selection committee look good again, by winning the title just like Tufts did last year hahaha.
CSS finally has a path that could maybe see them reach the Elite 8...
Chicago a potential sleeper as well...
And yes if Lycoming can survive the weekend they can give Amherst some fits. Time will tell as you can never predict what will happen come tournament time.
Which pod does everyone think is the toughest/weakest? Which perennial top 10 team does everyone think has the most difficult/easiest path to the final 4?
Top to bottom I would say MSU's pod is the toughest. I would not be surprised to see any of a handful of teams to make it out of there (MSU, Kenyon, Carnegie, OWU, F+M, Calvin, and even chicago, TMC or tufts)The amherst pod is the most top heavy IMO. Brandeis, Trinity, and Amherst could all make strong cases as the top team in the country, and I would not have been surprised if any of the three received a bye. On the other hand, the Loras pod appears to be the weakest. I would rank the pods: MSU, Amherst, Haverford, Loras in terms of strength.
I would say pretty much whatever team that makes it out of the MSU pod will have to face 3, if not 4 very difficult opponents. Trinity also has a very difficult path out, having to face texas-dallas, whitworth/redlands, a potential rematch against brandeis, and possibly amherst in the elite 8.
Toughest - Montclair St Pod
Weakest - Loras Pod
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 09, 2015, 04:12:45 PM
Toughest - Montclair St Pod
Weakest - Loras Pod
I would put Haverford's Pod below Loras's
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 09, 2015, 04:08:20 PM
Which pod does everyone think is the toughest/weakest? Which perennial top 10 team does everyone think has the most difficult/easiest path to the final 4?
Top to bottom I would say MSU's pod is the toughest. I would not be surprised to see any of a handful of teams to make it out of there (MSU, Kenyon, Carnegie, OWU, F+M, Calvin, and even chicago, TMC or tufts)The amherst pod is the most top heavy IMO. Brandeis, Trinity, and Amherst could all make strong cases as the top team in the country, and I would not have been surprised if any of the three received a bye. On the other hand, the Loras pod appears to be the weakest. I would rank the pods: MSU, Amherst, Haverford, Loras in terms of strength.
I would say pretty much whatever team that makes it out of the MSU pod will have to face 3, if not 4 very difficult opponents. Trinity also has a very difficult path out, having to face texas-dallas, whitworth/redlands, a potential rematch against brandeis, and possibly amherst in the elite 8.
Montclair St has the toughest by far and the easiest goes to probably Loras followed closely by Haverford's pod.
top 10 team with toughest path is Montclair State if it pans out the way it could. Easiest for me would be Loras or Brandeis.
Haverford pod cannot be the easiest.
Potential sweet 16 match-ups.
Haverford vs SLU
Oneonta State vs MIT/Bowdoin
That Sweet 16 pod is deeper then others.
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on November 09, 2015, 07:14:41 PM
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 09, 2015, 04:08:20 PM
Which pod does everyone think is the toughest/weakest? Which perennial top 10 team does everyone think has the most difficult/easiest path to the final 4?
Top to bottom I would say MSU's pod is the toughest. I would not be surprised to see any of a handful of teams to make it out of there (MSU, Kenyon, Carnegie, OWU, F+M, Calvin, and even chicago, TMC or tufts)The amherst pod is the most top heavy IMO. Brandeis, Trinity, and Amherst could all make strong cases as the top team in the country, and I would not have been surprised if any of the three received a bye. On the other hand, the Loras pod appears to be the weakest. I would rank the pods: MSU, Amherst, Haverford, Loras in terms of strength.
I would say pretty much whatever team that makes it out of the MSU pod will have to face 3, if not 4 very difficult opponents. Trinity also has a very difficult path out, having to face texas-dallas, whitworth/redlands, a potential rematch against brandeis, and possibly amherst in the elite 8.
Montclair St has the toughest by far and the easiest goes to probably Loras followed closely by Haverford's pod.
top 10 team with toughest path is Montclair State if it pans out the way it could. Easiest for me would be Loras or Brandeis.
NCAC's Barber Shop Trash Talk (NCAA Selection Day Edition)
RPI? RPI?? RPI?????? Really? With a tip of the cap to LGOTB and with apologies to three generations of in-law graduates, you have got to be kidding me. I know, the selection already has been covered in spades, but we should continue to mention this travesty in every post for the next week. RPI over Middlebury? Over Colorado College (when the West did not get a single Pool C)? Over Elizabethtown? Over Brockport? Over Stockton? Over FIVE other Liberty League teams that finished ahead of the Engineers? RPI hasn't even played a game in about a month. Wow. Just wow.
No other selection comes close to the RPI pick, and I'm OK with the rest, although some of the stick-out-like-a-sore-thumb omissions are tough to swallow. The other two most questionable for my money are DePauw and Chicago, although neither is a big surprise. Maybe UW-Oshkosh... but I thought we were overlooking the Overalls all along in our predictions. Many will mention Thomas More because of the apparent squeeze play in Great Lakes, but the Thoroughbreds are a NCAA quality team and a sleeper choice to go deep. Other than RPI, there is not a single team that stands out as unworthy of a bid, but saying that provides no comfort for Middlebury, Elizabethtown, Brockport and Colorado College. Has any team that finished 2nd in the NESCAC ever been denied a bid, and especially when their SoS did not turn out to be a problem at all (even if we've criticized their out-of-conference schedule)??? I'm going to dub this one The Crime At Otter Creek. Just means way too much to the players to have a screw-up this bad, and you never know if you'll be in such a good position to get a bid again during your four years.
First round upsets, in order of likelihood: Gordon over Carnegie Mellon, Westminster (MO) over DePauw, Bridgewater State over MIT.
Most compelling First round games: Rowan vs Dickinson, Redlands vs Whitworth, Chicago vs Thomas More, Trinity (TX) vs Texas-Dallas, and in the honorable mention category, Washington & Lee vs Methodist and RPI vs Stevens.
Potential 2nd round blockbusters, in order of magnitude: Montclair St vs Tufts, OWU vs Calvin, Oneonta St vs Rutgers-Camden, Trinity (TX) vs Whitworth, Kenyon vs Thomas More.
Strange geography...the whole West group with the survivor possibly heading to Amherst or Brandeis, and Tufts potentially traveling to Kenyon, OWU or Calvin. Not so strange geographically, but odd that the only remaining unbeaten team in the country, Calvin, is road-tripping.
Hunches...presuming an OWU vs Calvin match-up I like the winner's chances of getting to the Elite 8, as I'm not sure F&M will even get to the Sweet 16, and if they do may be a "soft" heavyweight among projected Sweet 16 participants. OWU just has to be careful about looking ahead to Calvin as MSOE has firepower and with an early goal or two might park the bus and try to ride out the game. As already noted, Loras has a superb set-up and barring some malaise might not face a truly stern test until Wheaton (Ill) (if the Thunder can advance there). Amherst also should not be bothered at all until the Elite 8 and the Lord Jeffs have to be strong favorites to reach the Final Four, and honestly their road all the way to the championship game is very doable looking at the bracket below them. The winner of Plattsburgh vs Bowdoin has an excellent chance to advance to the Sweet 16, as I can see either handling MIT. My gut tells me that Haverford will have a tricky game with the winner of W&L vs Methodist, but the 'Fords may be just too hot for that to matter. Haverford vs St Lawrence would be a good match-up. The winner of that projected battle would be a good bet to reach Kansas City. Brandeis must be pretty happy with their draw. They had to think there would be no escaping Amherst, but I like their chances at home the first weekend and then playing a West team either at Amherst or Waltham. Watch out for Whitworth, although the Pirates are in a brutal pod and may not prevail vs Redlands.
RE: discussion about toughest quadrants...let's look at the projected Sweet 16 if form holds (which we know it won't)....
Amherst
Lycoming (Rowan/Dickinson)
Brandeis
Trinity (TX) (Whitworth)
Haverford
St Lawrence
Oneonta (RUC)
MIT (Bowdoin/Plattsburgh)
Montclair State (Tufts)
Kenyon
Franklin & Marshall
OWU (Calvin)
Loras
Wash U
Macalester (Oshkosh)
Wheaton (Ill) (UW-W)
I tend to agree with the sentiments expressed so far about the relative strength of the quadrants, while noting that one major upset can really open up a quadrant and change the dynamics and relative competitiveness (or lack thereof).
Toughest road to the Final Four....Thomas More. I'm sure TMC is extremely relieved to snag a bid many thought they would not get. The reward (potentially) is Chicago, Kenyon, Montclair/Tufts, OWU/Calvin.
Vote for toughest pod: Kenyon, Chicago, Thomas More, Westminster (PA).
Out of the D3soccer.com Top 25, the Montclair quad has #1, #3, #5, #7, #9, #13, and #17.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 09, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
What do you have, Mr.Right?
Amherst at 10/1 because Amherst is... Amherst
Not this year. They are to talented and to be quite honest if Serpone cannot guide them to the Final 4 and quite frankly a championship it would be considered a MAJOR disappointment. They are my favorite especially being at home against either Brandeis or Trinity TX / Whitworth.
Amherst 4/1
Loras 6/1
Oneonta St 8/1
Trinity TX 10/1
Montclair St 10/1
UW Whitewater 12/1
Brandeis 12/1
OWU 12/1
Haverford 16/1
Camden 16/1
Kenyon 16/1
SLU 20/1
Whitworth 20/1
F&M 25/1
Tufts 25/1
Calvin 30/1
Wheaton IL 30/1
Wash U 30/1
CMU 40/1
Lycoming 40/1
Stevens 60/1
Chicago 60/1
Rowan 75/1
MIT 75/1
Bowdoin 75/1
Macalester 75/1
St. Scholastica 75/1
Salisbury 100/1
Plattsburgh St 100/1
Dickinson 100/1
Redlands 150/1
Thomas More 150/1
MSOE 200/1
Lake Forest 200/1
DePauw 200/1
Rose-Hulman 200/1
RPI 300/1
UT Dallas 300/1
W&L 300/1
Eastern 300/1
UMASS Boston 300/1
Gordon 300/1
Babson 300/1
Field 1500/1
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 10, 2015, 09:38:49 AM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 09, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
What do you have, Mr.Right?
Amherst at 10/1 because Amherst is... Amherst
Not this year. They are to talented and to be quite honest if Serpone cannot guide them to the Final 4 and quite frankly a championship it would be considered a MAJOR disappointment. They are my favorite especially being at home against either Brandeis or Trinity TX / Whitworth.
Amherst 4/1
Loras 6/1
Oneonta St 8/1
Trinity TX 10/1
Montclair St 10/1
UW Whitewater 12/1
Brandeis 12/1
OWU 12/1
Haverford 16/1
Camden 16/1
Kenyon 16/1
SLU 20/1
Whitworth 20/1
F&M 25/1
Tufts 25/1
Calvin 30/1
Wheaton IL 30/1
Wash U 30/1
CMU 40/1
Lycoming 40/1
Stevens 60/1
Chicago 60/1
Rowan 75/1
MIT 75/1
Bowdoin 75/1
Macalester 75/1
St. Scholastica 75/1
Salisbury 100/1
Plattsburgh St 100/1
Dickinson 100/1
Redlands 150/1
Thomas More 150/1
MSOE 200/1
Lake Forest 200/1
DePauw 200/1
Rose-Hulman 200/1
RPI 300/1
UT Dallas 300/1
W&L 300/1
Eastern 300/1
UMASS Boston 300/1
Gordon 300/1
Babson 300/1
Field 1500/1
Is Messiah in the field section of the odds....?
Anyone not listed is in the Field section and if you do not agree with it I will be happy to take your sneakers if you are feeling lucky
I don't think Messiah has a chance at the title this year...what do you think?
Too soon? ;D
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 09, 2015, 04:12:45 PM
Toughest - Montclair St Pod
Weakest - Loras Pod
It is the weakest because Loras is the weakest 'high' seed.
SATURDAY:
M: 1:30 PM Dickinson at Rowan Live Stats Video
M: 1:30 PM Eastern at Rutgers-Camden Live Stats Video
M: 1:30 PM Thomas More at Chicago Live Stats Video
M: 1:30 PM Scranton at Mass-Boston Live Stats Video
Solid grouping of games, tough to decide which 2nd game to watch at the same time. Leaning Thomas More at Chicago
M: 5:00 PM Thomas at Brandeis
M: 5:00 PM Babson at Franklin and Marshall Live Stats Video
M: 5:00 PM Daniel Webster at MSU
My guess is Brandeis will have video? But definitely tuning into Babson at F&M
M: 7:30 PM Stevens at RPI
M: 7:30 PM Gordon at Carnegie Mellon Live Stats Video
M: 7:30 PM Salisbury at Tufts
Another solid grouping. Leaning towards watching the Gulls at Tufts
Other games I'll be watching:
Methodist at W&L 2:00 Thursday (don't sleep on the ODAC... if win, I'm expecting a great game vs the Fords)
Cabrini at Morrisville St 6:00 Thursday (Morrisville played Messiah well last year and Cabrini has been under the radar)
MSOE at OWU 5:00 Friday
CSS at Macalester 6:00 Friday
St. Olaf at UW-O 8:30 Friday
Rose-Hulman at UW-W 8:30 Friday
Plattsburgh St at Bowdoin TBA Saturday
Texas-Dallas at Trinity 12:00 Saturday
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 10, 2015, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 09, 2015, 04:12:45 PM
Toughest - Montclair St Pod
Weakest - Loras Pod
It is the weakest because Loras is the weakest 'high' seed.
What logic are you using to come up with that statement? The NCAA awarded Loras not only with the #1 seed, but also the bye due to their high SOS. LGOTB seems to disagree also by posting 6/1 odds at winning (second only to Amherst at 4/1).
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 10, 2015, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 10, 2015, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 09, 2015, 04:12:45 PM
Toughest - Montclair St Pod
Weakest - Loras Pod
It is the weakest because Loras is the weakest 'high' seed.
What logic are you using to come up with that statement? The NCAA awarded Loras not only with the #1 seed, but also the bye due to their high SOS. LGOTB seems to disagree also by posting 6/1 odds at winning (second only to Amherst at 4/1).
This is not as strong a Loras team as we've seen in recent years - I'm perplexed as to how they received a high seed and a bye, high SOS or no SOS.
As has been noted elsewhere, two of the teams that have already beaten them are in their pod and they had a loss to a very average St Thomas team.
Not to mention the fact that the D3Soccer poll has them in 19th place...so I'm not the only one wondering what is going on here.
Agreed, I've seen Loras a few times this year and the Loras teams of the past few years would have their way with the 2015 version Duhawks. With that said, they're playing well at the right time. I think they make it to the Sweet 16 and meet a good team in WashU/DePauw and the Duhawks fall there.
Lastguy,
1) Why were you so sure about RPI?
2) Do you give Eastern much of a shot again RUC, and do you think RUC will be looking ahead to Oneonta?
Gut feeling and the fact that they beat Oneonta St was huge... Respectable win percentage, RvR, and magic number SOS. Brockport slightly better win % and SOS, but two losses to Oneonta St did them in. They make the Conf final and RPI finishes 7th. Stings the nostrils, but RPI did enough out of conference early to boost their chances.
I am certain Camden will prep for Eastern without looking ahead. The staff will get to watch Oneonta St at 11. Of course Eastern will come prepared as well. I'm expecting a tight 1 goal game... 1-0, 2-1 range. Eastern has leveled off and Camden is starting to play better... Should be a good one.
Common opponent results:
RUC EU
Salisbury 0-1. 1-0
Swat. 0-1. 1-0
Manhattanville 3-2. 2-1
Miseri. 7-1. 2-0
Rosemont. 9-0. 2-0
I was also sure TMC wouldn't get a bid. I had Chicago as my last team in...
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 10, 2015, 09:46:14 PM
I was also sure TMC wouldn't get a bid. I had Chicago as my last team in...
Certainly can be confusing....and a very thin line. Chicago no doubt
had to win that Wash U game. Case with just a couple of OT bounces could have ended up from unranked to hosting the first weekend. Given where Calvin and Kenyon were regionally ranked, you have to wonder if just one loss could have put them out. And then there are teams that did lose, including with some frequency, and who weren't even still playing, who apparently were always in pretty good shape. I know, I know, it's the SoS, stupid, except when it isn't (Midd).
Amherst has the easiest road - Cabrini, Lycoming, Brandeis/Trinity.
Amherst could get to final 4 without conceding a goal
MSU 2nd easiest - Daniel "bye" Webster, Tufts, Kenyon, F&M/Calvin/OWU
This reminds me of 2011, Camden wins NJAC and loses Elite 8 to Oneonta St in 2OT at SLU; MSU makes it to Final 4. MSU too much fire power for the likes of Kenyon and Calvin.
Loras 3rd - ONU, Wash/DePauw, Wheaton
Loras gets perennial chokers UAA Conference team, Washington and 2-10 tourney DePauw. Wheaton is a serious threat to their chances. I think the Thunder buddies pull it off.
Haverford toughest - W&L, SLU, Oneonta/Camden/Bowdoin/Plattsburgh St...
Fords will have tough match ups each round, and this is the most wide open pod, IMO
I don't care what the "rankings" say, but MSU pod has weak conference champions; Salisbury, Gordon, Babson, MSOE. ---- C'monnnn. Battle tested teams with not enough to beat MSU; Tufts, CMU, Chicago, OWU, F&M. And of course you have Kenyon & Calvin - untested strong programs. Then you have TMC a non AQ from weak conference... It's the weakest in terms of SOS, IMO.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 11, 2015, 02:08:50 AM
Amherst has the easiest road - Cabrini, Lycoming, Brandeis/Trinity.
Amherst could get to final 4 without conceding a goal
MSU 2nd easiest - Daniel "bye" Webster, Tufts, Kenyon, F&M/Calvin/OWU
This reminds me of 2011, Camden wins NJAC and loses Elite 8 to Oneonta St in 2OT at SLU; MSU makes it to Final 4. MSU too much fire power for the likes of Kenyon and Calvin.
Loras 3rd - ONU, Wash/DePauw, Wheaton
Loras gets perennial chokers UAA Conference team, Washington and 2-10 tourney DePauw. Wheaton is a serious threat to their chances. I think the Thunder buddies pull it off.
Haverford toughest - W&L, SLU, Oneonta/Camden/Bowdoin/Plattsburgh St...
Fords will have tough match ups each round, and this is the most wide open pod, IMO
I don't care what the "rankings" say, but MSU pod has weak conference champions; Salisbury, Gordon, Babson, MSOE. ---- C'monnnn. Battle tested teams with not enough to beat MSU; Tufts, CMU, Chicago, OWU, F&M. And of course you have Kenyon & Calvin - untested strong programs. Then you have TMC a non AQ from weak conference... It's the weakest in terms of SOS, IMO.
Sorry but when did MSU become the program to beat? I'll take Kenyon/Chicago/TMC over them if they get past Tufts.
Midwest Soccer... For the sake of competition, I hope Kenyon squares up against MSU; instant classic potential.
LGOTB, nice work on the overnight shift.
I'm going to agree and disagree with your analysis, although that seems crazy while you're in the middle of your hot streak, and I'll probably see you re-posting this post in about 11 days as you bask in celebration of yet another predictions victory.
On the MSU pod, I won't argue with you much on the weakest SoS claim as the pod does have wild variability, BUT, there is still Tufts at .623, Chicago at .599, OWU at .597, MSU at .584, CMU at .579, and F&M at .571. Then there are Kenyon, Calvin, and TMC at the low end where IMHO their SoS does not parallel the challenge that they present. I would agree as a general statement that MSU may have too much firepower for the other teams in this field, and in my view MSU talent-wise is one of the top 2-3 teams in the country with as good an opportunity as anyone to win the national title. Here's the problem. If Tufts beats Salisbury (not a given with all the questions around the Jumbos but I think they'll find a way to get out of that one alive), MSU will be facing one of the few teams that can match them pound-for-pound and that will go into the game fully expecting to prevail. I can't imagine a more difficult 2nd round opponent for MSU. That is a 50/50 game IMO, and if Tufts gets ahead I think MSU will be in real trouble as the pressure in the game mounts. If I'm MSU, I'd rather play any other team in the pod than Tufts and they could get them 2nd round.
I think I know what you mean about Kenyon and Calvin being strong untested programs, but is that really true? Starting with Calvin you're talking about a program that is right there on the heels of Messiah and Wheaton, and who was in the national title game in 2011. I don't care who they've played, the Knights are 20-0-1 with 76 GF and 4 GA. If Calvin somehow survives OWU and then [F&M/CMU, etc] they will be playing well and a legitimate challenge....probably not enough to beat MSU but no cakewalk by any means. In the Sweet 16, MSU IMO would have too much for either TMC or Chicago, although TMC would have no fear and fights for a win like almost no team I've ever seen. I'll put it this way....underestimate TMC at your own risk. If MSU gets Kenyon I think the Lords are the second most difficult foe in the whole pod for them (after Tufts). Kenyon has played in a bunch of high-intensity, high pressure games over the past three years, and Kenyon probably prefers being in a bit more of an underdog role as long as they are playing anyone who doesn't have OWU on its jersey. I would expect a MSU-Kenyon game to be very similar to the Messiah-Kenyon game of 2013, with the difference being that Kenyon would go in fully expecting to win and much closer to even from a talent standpoint. That would be another great game, just as I think Tufts-Kenyon would be a very intriguing match-up. The winner of the projected OWU-Calvin game I'm guessing would be quite happy to see anyone other than MSU on the other side. And if OWU manages to get to the Elite 8, then just based on their pedigree, confidence, swag, and coaching they would be at a minimum 50/50 odds to advance regardless of who is on the other side. In short, MSU I agree goes in as a favorite, but only a slight favorite for me, as there are at least two and probably three games they definitely would have a strong risk of losing.
I disagree that Haverford faces the toughest road. If it's W&L I think the Generals will play well and give a good account of themselves, but based on watching them against Messiah I believe Haverford is just too strong. SLU would certainly be a test, and SLU reminds me of last year's OWU team....not necessarily one of the best SLU squads in recent memory but good enough and with enough pedigree to get to Kansas City. This would be another very intriguing game...that will NOT be played in Canton, NY, and compared to the challenges other top teams could face in the Sweet 16, SLU is not an unreasonably difficult challenge for the 'Fords at that stage. On the other side, Haverford wouldn't have to play ALL of those teams you listed....just one. They have too much for Plattsburgh/Bowdoin, although Bowdoin certainly could keep the game tight and give themselves a chance. And the 'Fords are already battle-tested for the likes of Oneonta and RUC. A couple of teams in this pod could beat Haverford, but I certainly don't see a team that they couldn't beat.
In the Loras pod, I feel the same way about the Duhawks as I do SLU this year and OWU last year, but even stronger...not one of Loras' all-time most talented teams but still with an excellent opportunity here. Especially if they stay in the Rock Bowl, I don't see a team outside of Wheaton that can take them out. Now someone is going to come in and say DePauw already beat them once, and I'm telling you DePauw would have a 10% chance of beating them again. Not going to happen. And Wheaton has got to get to the Elite 8 to have a shot at Loras, and that may be less than a 50/50 proposition in itself. Are we going to see the Thunder team that could run the table from here on out, or the one that can fail to prevail against a team that was something like 4-10-3?
Agree with you 95% on Amherst. The one team that could beat them, even if outshot and outplayed, is Brandeis, and in that regard I think it's no accident that Serpone reportedly was just scouting the Judges. Brandeis is battle-tested and possesses the right mentality to knock off Amherst (and relish doing so). The challenge for Brandeis will be getting to that game, as their pattern of 1-0 games suggests one of those could eventually go the wrong way on them and Trinity/Whitworth/Redlands would present Brandeis with a challenge that would not be so difficult for the Lord Jeffs.
[Just realized I had a complete amnestic episode in failing to mention F&M/Babson and CMU/Gordon. Just more evidence that the MSU pod is no joke. Corrected an error above.]
Nice write-up, NCAC.
I was a bit tired after darts last night, but definitely not drunk. Defensive first strong countering Tufts will cause MSU fits, but I still vote MSU. Hoping for Kenyon Calvin elite 8 matchup-up... In a pod of MSU, Kenyon, F&M, Calvin... Kenyon to host?
Who would host in a grouping of Haverford, SLU, Oneonta St/RUC, Bowdoin? You'd have to assume Oneonta St, correct? SLU if RUC beats Oneonta St or would it be Haverford with the nod?
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 11, 2015, 09:57:10 AM
Nice write-up, NCAC.
I was a bit tired after darts last night, but definitely not drunk. Defensive first strong countering Tufts will cause MSU fits, but I still vote MSU. Hoping for Kenyon Calvin elite 8 matchup-up... In a pod of MSU, Kenyon, F&M, Calvin... Kenyon to host?
Who would host in a grouping of Haverford, SLU, Oneonta St/RUC, Bowdoin? You'd have to assume Oneonta St, correct? SLU if RUC beats Oneonta St or would it be Haverford with the nod?
I think MSU hosts if they get by Tufts. Looks like they are the #1 seed in the pod (with OWU #2?). MSU also has the advantage of a nice turf field in case of bad weather, so MSU seems like a no-brainer to me.
And I would think Haverford would host over Oneonta but I could be wrong.
For those interested in the Greater Boston area, the Brandeis and MIT pods are operating at completely different times, so you could see both sets of games if you wanted:
Saturday:
11:00am - MIT vs. Bridgewater State
1:30pm - Bowdoin vs. Plattsburgh State
5:00pm - Brandeis vs. Thomas (ME)
7:30pm - Stevens vs. RPI
Sunday:
1:00pm - MIT pod R1 winners
5:00pm - Brandeis pod R1 winners
I got a little bored. I haven't looked up if they all have streaming video but in this day and age I hope so. If you don't you shouldn't be hosting ;D! The second round games are in bold.
November 12th Games
2pm – Washing and Lee vs Methodist
6pm – Morrisville State vs Cabrini
6pm - Ohio Northern vs Carthage
November 13th Games
5pm – Ohio Wesleyan vs Milwaukee Engr
6pm – Macalester vs St. Scholastica
6pm – Wheaton(Ill) vs Lake Forest
7:30pm – Calvin vs Mount Aloysius
8:30pm – Wis-Oshkosh vs St. Olaf
8:30pm – Wis-Whitewater vs Rose-Hulman
November 14th Games
11am – SUNY Oneonta vs CCNY
11am – Lycoming vs Johnson & Wales(R.I)
11am – St. Lawrence vs Sage
11am – MIT vs Bridgewater State
11am – Kenyon vs Wesminster(PA)
12pm – Trinity(Tx) vs Texas-Dallas
1:30pm – Rutgers-Camden vs Eastern
1:30pm – Mass-Boston vs Scranton
1:30pm – Rowan vs Dickinson
1:30pm – Plattsburgh St. vs Bowdoin
1:30pm – Chicago vs Thomas More
2:30pm – Redlands vs Whitworth
5pm – Montclair St vs Daniel Webster
5pm – Franklin and Marshall vs Babson
5pm – Brandeis vs Thomas(Maine)
5pm – Winner Ohio Wesleyan/Milwauke Engr vs Calvin/Mount Aloysius
5:30pm – Salisbury vs Tufts
6pm – Wash.-St. Louis vs Millsaps
6pm – Winner Wheaton/Lake Forest vs Winner Wis-Whitwater/Rose-Hulman
7:30pm – Carnegie Mellon vs Gordon
7:30pm – RPI vs Steven Inst
8pm – Winner Macalester/St. Scholastica vs Winner Wis-Oshkosh/St. Olaf
8:30pm – DePauw vs Westminster(Mo.)
November 15th Games
1pm – Haverford vs Winner Wash & Lee/Methodist
1pm – Winner Lycoming/John &Wales vs Winner Rowan/Dickinson
1pm – Winner St. Lawrence/Sage vs Winner Mass-Boston/Scranton
1pm – Winner SUNY Oneonta/CCNY vs Rutgers-Camden/Eastern
1pm – Winner MIT/Bridgewater State vs Winner Plattsburgh St./Bowdoin
1pm – Winner Kenyon/Westminster(PA) vs Winner Chicago/Thomas More
1:30pm Amherst vs Winner Morrisville St/Cabrini
2pm – Loras vs Winner Ohio Northern/Carthage
2pm – Winner Trinity/Texas-Dallas vs Winner Redlands/Whitworth
5pm – Winner Brandeis/Thomas vs RPI/Stevens
5pm – Winner F&M/Babson vs Winner Carnegie Mellon/Gordon
6pm – Winner Montclair St/Daniel Webster vs Winner Salisbury/Tufts
6pm – Winner Wash-St.Louis/Millsaps vs Winner DePauw/Westminster
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 11, 2015, 10:22:42 AM
I got a little bored. I haven't looked up if they all have streaming video but in this day and age I hope so. If you don't you shouldn't be hosting ;D! The second round games are in bold.
November 12th Games
2pm – Washing and Lee vs Methodist
6pm – Morrisville State vs Cabrini
6pm - Ohio Northern vs Carthage
November 13th Games
5pm – Ohio Wesleyan vs Milwaukee Engr
6pm – Macalester vs St. Scholastica
6pm – Wheaton(Ill) vs Lake Forest
7:30pm – Calvin vs Mount Aloysius
8:30pm – Wis-Oshkosh vs St. Olaf
8:30pm – Wis-Whitewater vs Rose-Hulman
November 14th Games
11am – SUNY Oneonta vs CCNY
11am – Lycoming vs Johnson & Wales(R.I)
11am – St. Lawrence vs Sage
11am – MIT vs Bridgewater State
11am – Kenyon vs Wesminster(PA)
12pm – Trinity(Tx) vs Texas-Dallas
1:30pm – Rutgers-Camden vs Eastern
1:30pm – Mass-Boston vs Scranton
1:30pm – Rowan vs Dickinson
1:30pm – Plattsburgh St. vs Bowdoin
1:30pm – Chicago vs Thomas More
2:30pm – Redlands vs Whitworth
5pm – Montclair St vs Daniel Webster
5pm – Franklin and Marshall vs Babson
5pm – Brandeis vs Thomas(Maine)
5pm – Winner Ohio Wesleyan/Milwauke Engr vs Calvin/Mount Aloysius
5:30pm – Salisbury vs Tufts
6pm – Wash.-St. Louis vs Millsaps
6pm – Winner Wheaton/Lake Forest vs Winner Wis-Whitwater/Rose-Hulman
7:30pm – Carnegie Mellon vs Gordon
7:30pm – RPI vs Steven Inst
8pm – Winner Macalester/St. Scholastica vs Winner Wis-Oshkosh/St. Olaf
8:30pm – DePauw vs Westminster(Mo.)
November 15th Games
1pm – Haverford vs Winner Wash & Lee/Methodist
1pm – Winner Lycoming/John &Wales vs Winner Rowan/Dickinson
1pm – Winner St. Lawrence/Sage vs Winner Mass-Boston/Scranton
1pm – Winner SUNY Oneonta/CCNY vs Rutgers-Camden/Eastern
1pm – Winner MIT/Bridgewater State vs Winner Plattsburgh St./Bowdoin
1pm – Winner Kenyon/Westminster(PA) vs Winner Chicago/Thomas More
1:30pm Amherst vs Winner Morrisville St/Cabrini
2pm – Loras vs Winner Ohio Northern/Carthage
2pm – Winner Trinity/Texas-Dallas vs Winner Redlands/Whitworth
5pm – Winner Brandeis/Thomas vs RPI/Stevens
5pm – Winner F&M/Babson vs Winner Carnegie Mellon/Gordon
6pm – Winner Montclair St/Daniel Webster vs Winner Salisbury/Tufts
6pm – Winner Wash-St.Louis/Millsaps vs Winner DePauw/Westminster
Never mind my bold did not take. You can tell the second round games though.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 11, 2015, 10:10:12 AM
For those interested in the Greater Boston area, the Brandeis and MIT pods are operating at completely different times, so you could see both sets of games if you wanted:
Saturday:
11:00am - MIT vs. Bridgewater State
1:30pm - Bowdoin vs. Plattsburgh State
5:00pm - Brandeis vs. Thomas (ME)
7:30pm - Stevens vs. RPI
Sunday:
1:00pm - MIT pod R1 winners
5:00pm - Brandeis pod R1 winners
6 games total in these 2 pods.
Over / Under Total Goals Scored: +6.5 -130
-6.5 +110
MIT -155
Bridgewater St +170 Over 2.5 +140
Draw +200 Under 2.5 -130
Bowdoin -120
Plattsburgh St +110 Over 1.5 -140
Draw +175 Under 1.5 +120
Brandeis -275
Thomas ME +280 Over 3 -120
Draw +220 Under 3 +110
Stevens -190
RPI +185 Over 1.5 -135
Draw +175 Under 1.5 +125
The Duhawks finished the season strong and look ready to make another deep run. With everyone finally healthy, beware of the Rockbowl.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 11, 2015, 02:08:50 AM
Amherst has the easiest road - Cabrini, Lycoming, Brandeis/Trinity.
Amherst could get to final 4 without conceding a goal
MSU 2nd easiest - Daniel "bye" Webster, Tufts, Kenyon, F&M/Calvin/OWU
This reminds me of 2011, Camden wins NJAC and loses Elite 8 to Oneonta St in 2OT at SLU; MSU makes it to Final 4. MSU too much fire power for the likes of Kenyon and Calvin.
Loras 3rd - ONU, Wash/DePauw, Wheaton
Loras gets perennial chokers UAA Conference team, Washington and 2-10 tourney DePauw. Wheaton is a serious threat to their chances. I think the Thunder buddies pull it off.
Haverford toughest - W&L, SLU, Oneonta/Camden/Bowdoin/Plattsburgh St...
Fords will have tough match ups each round, and this is the most wide open pod, IMO
I don't care what the "rankings" say, but MSU pod has weak conference champions; Salisbury, Gordon, Babson, MSOE. ---- C'monnnn. Battle tested teams with not enough to beat MSU; Tufts, CMU, Chicago, OWU, F&M. And of course you have Kenyon & Calvin - untested strong programs. Then you have TMC a non AQ from weak conference... It's the weakest in terms of SOS, IMO.
What have the monties done to deserve such high praise from you?
Don't understand how Kenyon and Calvin are untested programs while perennial under-achievers CMU and Chicago are "battle tested". Kenyon's been a tourney regular over the last few seasons and Calvin's tournament performance in the last 7 or 8 years is up there with anybody not named Messiah.
And I don't know why people think a 4 (err, 3) loss Loras team is a sure bet. They already lost two of their games to teams they'll potentially have to play in their pod!!
Can someone just appease this "wingnut" and say LORAS WILL LOSE and they have the BEST CHANCE TO LOSE over anybody.
So Calvin gets some kind of pass because they made the final in 2011? THEY HAVE NOT PLAYED A TOP 50 school all year (21 games)... Endicott and Gordon are borderline. If the NE didn't rank so many, Calvin RvR would be 0-0-0. So yes, their GD should be around 70 GF 8 GA. When they play a real team, I'll be satisfied.
MSU was final 4 2011, Elite 8 2013... They are also 6-2-1 RvR THIS season. Beat Haverford, lost last min to Oneonta St.
The NCAA scheduling committee has done it again. Another year of religious exceptions putting games on school days to avoid Sundays.
Why should some kids have to miss school so other kids don't have to miss church? Strange precedent for the NCAA to set...
What are some teams that should be on upset alert in the first round?
Quote from: Allsoccer7 on November 11, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
What are some teams that should be on upset alert in the first round?
Think Babson will give F&M a game, but I still think F&M will win it.
Bridgewater State is organized, big, and athletic and could give MIT problems.
Montclair State could be upset by Daniel Web...sorry, can't even say it with a straight face. ;D
Possible 1st round upsets:
DePauw vs Westminister (Mo)---DePauw should be careful in this one.
CMU vs Gordon---I still think CMU is overrated.
OWU vs MSOE---MSOE can score in bunches if OWU isn't ready for them...I would keep my eye on this one if I were you.
Calvin vs Mt. Aloysius---Can't underestimate a team with confidence...plus Calvin has to lose eventually...right?
MIT vs Bridgewater St.---The bridge is determined...watch out for a sweet 16 run by them.
Plattsburgh St. vs Bowdin---Not sold on Plattsburgh but I think they advance in this one.
Scranton vs Mass.Boston---Scranton is a tough, physical team clicking at the right time...could cause problems.
Lycoming vs J&W(RI)---3rd straight appearance for JW...still looking for that first NCAA win though. Is this the year?
Amherst vs Morrisville St(if MSU beats Cabrini)---MSU gave Messiah all sorts of trouble last year...expect this one to be somewhat close.
My picks for the above games:DePauw
Gordon
OWU
Calvin
Bridgewater
Plattsburgh
Scranton
Lycoming
Amherst
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 11, 2015, 11:37:08 AM
Can someone just appease this "wingnut" and say LORAS WILL LOSE and they have the BEST CHANCE TO LOSE over anybody.
With no logic to back up this statement.
I actually think the UAA is going to have their best year in the NCAA's this year in the early rounds.
4 teams all with a legit chance to make the Sweet 16.
CMU can dispatch of Gordon and F&M
Brandies can handle Thomas and Stevens
Chicago can upset Thomas More and Kenyon.
Wash U can certainly almost walk into the sweet 16 with wins over Millsaps and Depauw.
Chicago has the toughest road but I believe they are a better team than Wash U and CMU.
The question is can 1 of them get to the Final 4? The answer is NO
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 11, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
I actually think the UAA is going to have their best year in the NCAA's this year in the early rounds.
4 teams all with a legit chance to make the Sweet 16.
CMU can dispatch of Gordon and F&M
Brandies can handle Thomas and Stevens
Chicago can upset Thomas More and Kenyon.
Wash U can certainly almost walk into the sweet 16 with wins over Millsaps and Depauw.
Chicago has the toughest road but I believe they are a better team than Wash U and CMU.
The question is can 1 of them get to the Final 4? The answer is NO
The Thomas coach said that Tre Ming is "one of the top three players in Division III." Haven't seen much of him, what do you think Mr.Right? (I'm guessing that was a generous accolade, though to be fair the guy does have 6 goals and 20 assists.)
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 11, 2015, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 11, 2015, 11:37:08 AM
Can someone just appease this "wingnut" and say LORAS WILL LOSE and they have the BEST CHANCE TO LOSE over anybody.
With no logic to back up this statement.
The logic is in the fact that you've already lost to two teams in your pod.
I'm not saying you're certain to lose, just don't understand some individuals anointing them before a ball is kicked.
I'd have a better chance of subscribing to lgotb's stance on MSU than mr right's idea of Loras as untouchable favorite.
Quote from: Allsoccer7 on November 11, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
What are some teams that should be on upset alert in the first round?
OWU is always ready to drop a clanger.
Trinity could lose to UTD (though I hope it doesn't happen as I have a friend on the squad).
And the UAA squads are always ready to disappoint - my money is on Wash U being the first round victim this year.
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 11, 2015, 03:08:33 PM
Quote from: Allsoccer7 on November 11, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
What are some teams that should be on upset alert in the first round?
OWU is always ready to drop a clanger.
Trinity could lose to UTD (though I hope it doesn't happen as I have a friend on the squad).
And the UAA squads are always ready to disappoint - my money is on Wash U being the first round victim this year.
With senior center back Hoge injured andsenior back DiCesare sitting out a red card suspension (started all 21 games this year) OWU will be needed to make adjustments on defense. They dropped Lee back into his previous spot in CB versus DePauw later in the game, also had Barnes play CB in that game. They are NOT a tall squad either.
Quote from: swibbles on November 11, 2015, 12:00:37 PM
The NCAA scheduling committee has done it again. Another year of religious exceptions putting games on school days to avoid Sundays.
Why should some kids have to miss school so other kids don't have to miss church? Strange precedent for the NCAA to set...
That is an absolutely valid point. The logic escapes me. What would happen, say, if Yeshiva (they don't play on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath) made the tournament (ok, not going to' happen, I know, but it COULD) and was placed in a bracket with a team that did not play on Sunday? Friday-Monday games? For my money, if your faith is strong enough that you won't play when the rest of the field is playing, you take a forfeit and be happy that you stayed true to your faith.
A related observation. I once saw the coaches of a-not-to-be-named-school-that-does-not-play-on-Sundays scouting the upcoming opposition on the Sunday before their match.
Quote from: RetiredD3Fan on November 11, 2015, 03:34:35 PM
Quote from: swibbles on November 11, 2015, 12:00:37 PM
The NCAA scheduling committee has done it again. Another year of religious exceptions putting games on school days to avoid Sundays.
Why should some kids have to miss school so other kids don't have to miss church? Strange precedent for the NCAA to set...
That is an absolutely valid point. The logic escapes me. What would happen, say, if Yeshiva (they don't play on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath) made the tournament (ok, not going to' happen, I know, but it COULD) and was placed in a bracket with a team that did not play on Sunday? Friday-Monday games? For my money, if your faith is strong enough that you won't play when the rest of the field is playing, you take a forfeit and be happy that you stayed true to your faith.
A related observation. I once saw the coaches of a-not-to-be-named-school-that-does-not-play-on-Sundays scouting the upcoming opposition on the Sunday before their match.
Well, Yeshiva could get around it if they played on Saturday night after the sun went down (when the Sabbath ends.) However, if they went to the Final Four, then there could be real trouble. ;)
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 11, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
I actually think the UAA is going to have their best year in the NCAA's this year in the early rounds.
4 teams all with a legit chance to make the Sweet 16.
CMU can dispatch of Gordon and F&M
Brandies can handle Thomas and Stevens
Chicago can upset Thomas More and Kenyon.
Wash U can certainly almost walk into the sweet 16 with wins over Millsaps and Depauw.
Chicago has the toughest road but I believe they are a better team than Wash U and CMU.
The question is can 1 of them get to the Final 4? The answer is NO
All three of the favorites for the Amherst pod; Amherst, Trinity, and Brandeis (A UAA Team) are known for their unsuccessful post seasons despite having impressive regular seasons.
-Amherst's failure to reach the final four;
-Trinity's failure to make a deep run in the final four; and
-Brandeis, a UAA still can not crack the final four.
Good news for one of these teams is they may end their drought.
Quote from: CovensCorner on November 11, 2015, 03:43:13 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 11, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
I actually think the UAA is going to have their best year in the NCAA's this year in the early rounds.
4 teams all with a legit chance to make the Sweet 16.
CMU can dispatch of Gordon and F&M
Brandies can handle Thomas and Stevens
Chicago can upset Thomas More and Kenyon.
Wash U can certainly almost walk into the sweet 16 with wins over Millsaps and Depauw.
Chicago has the toughest road but I believe they are a better team than Wash U and CMU.
The question is can 1 of them get to the Final 4? The answer is NO
All three of the favorites for the Amherst pod; Amherst, Trinity, and Brandeis (A UAA Team) are known for their unsuccessful post seasons despite having impressive regular seasons.
-Amherst's failure to reach the final four;
-Trinity's failure to make a deep run in the final four; and
-Brandeis, a UAA still can not crack the final four.
Good news for one of these teams is they may end their drought.
I really don't think its fair to say that Brandeis is "known for their unsuccessful post season". Lets be clear, prior to 2012 Brandeis had not been in the tournament for decades. So to go through the last 3 years in the tournament:
2012: Lost to williams in the sweet 16Brandeis: 18-3-1; #10 in the final d3 rankings; #3 in the final NE rankings
Williams: 16-2-4; #4 in the final d3 rankings; #2 in the final NE rankings
Overall: Williams was the "favorite" so I would not consider 2012 an unsuccessful post season
2013: Lost to Williams in the sweet 16Brandeis: 14-4-1; #20 in the final d3 rankings; #2 in the final NE rankings
Williams: 12-6-0; RV in the final d3; #5 in the final NE rankings
Overall: Tough to say who was the favorite in this matchup, you could possibly say Brandeis, but given that both teams had nearly the same amount of blemishes and the game was played on a neutral field, I would say this game was a pickem' and I would not consider 2013 an unsuccessful post season
2014: lost to Oneonta state in the elite 8Brandeis: 17-2-0; #5 in the final d3 ranking
Oneonta state: 18-0-02; #3 in the final d3 ranking
Overall: Oneonta was the "favorite" in terms of their ranking, their record; and their receipt of the bye in the quadrant, so I would not consider 2014 an unsuccessful post season
Taking a look at these last 3 years after decades of absence from the tournament, and i could hardly say that Brandeis is "known for their unsuccesful post season". They are 6-0 in the last 3 years hosting when hosting the first 2 rounds, and have never truly been "upset". Sure, teams must win games they are not a favorite in in order to go as deep in the tournament as possible, but just because they failed to do so the last 3 years does not mean that they have developed a reputation for being unsuccessful. Instead, I would say that they met all realistic expectations for those 3 years, and would like to see them build on their success in the years to come.
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 11, 2015, 04:49:58 PM
Quote from: CovensCorner on November 11, 2015, 03:43:13 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 11, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
I actually think the UAA is going to have their best year in the NCAA's this year in the early rounds.
4 teams all with a legit chance to make the Sweet 16.
CMU can dispatch of Gordon and F&M
Brandies can handle Thomas and Stevens
Chicago can upset Thomas More and Kenyon.
Wash U can certainly almost walk into the sweet 16 with wins over Millsaps and Depauw.
Chicago has the toughest road but I believe they are a better team than Wash U and CMU.
The question is can 1 of them get to the Final 4? The answer is NO
All three of the favorites for the Amherst pod; Amherst, Trinity, and Brandeis (A UAA Team) are known for their unsuccessful post seasons despite having impressive regular seasons.
-Amherst's failure to reach the final four;
-Trinity's failure to make a deep run in the final four; and
-Brandeis, a UAA still can not crack the final four.
Good news for one of these teams is they may end their drought.
I really don't think its fair to say that Brandeis is "known for their unsuccessful post season". Lets be clear, prior to 2012 Brandeis had not been in the tournament for decades. So to go through the last 3 years in the tournament:
2012: Lost to williams in the sweet 16
Brandeis: 18-3-1; #10 in the final d3 rankings; #3 in the final NE rankings
Williams: 16-2-4; #4 in the final d3 rankings; #2 in the final NE rankings
Overall: Williams was the "favorite" so I would not consider 2012 an unsuccessful post season
2013: Lost to Williams in the sweet 16
Brandeis: 14-4-1; #20 in the final d3 rankings; #2 in the final NE rankings
Williams: 12-6-0; RV in the final d3; #5 in the final NE rankings
Overall: Tough to say who was the favorite in this matchup, you could possibly say Brandeis, but given that both teams had nearly the same amount of blemishes and the game was played on a neutral field, I would say this game was a pickem' and I would not consider 2013 an unsuccessful post season
2014: lost to Oneonta state in the elite 8
Brandeis: 17-2-0; #5 in the final d3 ranking
Oneonta state: 18-0-02; #3 in the final d3 ranking
Overall: Oneonta was the "favorite" in terms of their ranking, their record; and their receipt of the bye in the quadrant, so I would not consider 2014 an unsuccessful post season
Taking a look at these last 3 years after decades of absence from the tournament, and i could hardly say that Brandeis is "known for their unsuccesful post season". They are 6-0 in the last 3 years hosting when hosting the first 2 rounds, and have never truly been "upset". Sure, teams must win games they are not a favorite in in order to go as deep in the tournament as possible, but just because they failed to do so the last 3 years does not mean that they have developed a reputation for being unsuccessful. Instead, I would say that they met all realistic expectations for those 3 years, and would like to see them build on their success in the years to come.
The inclusion of Brandeis was not for their lack of tournament success but rather the lack of success among UAA teams and failure to reach the final four. I tried to emphasis the UAA in my post.
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 11, 2015, 02:47:08 PM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 11, 2015, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 11, 2015, 11:37:08 AM
Can someone just appease this "wingnut" and say LORAS WILL LOSE and they have the BEST CHANCE TO LOSE over anybody.
With no logic to back up this statement.
The logic is in the fact that you've already lost to two teams in your pod.
I'm not saying you're certain to lose, just don't understand some individuals anointing them before a ball is kicked.
I'd have a better chance of subscribing to lgotb's stance on MSU than mr right's idea of Loras as untouchable favorite.
This will be an interesting tourney for the almighty Duhawks. The squad easily has the potential to make it to Kansas City, but that potential has not been seen except a couple times this season (Luther, Wheaton?, Chicago?) and we have seen the downside as well. But hey, who cares....it is the "best time of the year" and when was the last time a team beat the Duhawks twice in a season??? When the Duhawks make it to KC, school will be postponed and all of Duhawk Nation will be on hand after making the "short" commute.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 11, 2015, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: RetiredD3Fan on November 11, 2015, 03:34:35 PM
Quote from: swibbles on November 11, 2015, 12:00:37 PM
The NCAA scheduling committee has done it again. Another year of religious exceptions putting games on school days to avoid Sundays.
Why should some kids have to miss school so other kids don't have to miss church? Strange precedent for the NCAA to set...
That is an absolutely valid point. The logic escapes me. What would happen, say, if Yeshiva (they don't play on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath) made the tournament (ok, not going to' happen, I know, but it COULD) and was placed in a bracket with a team that did not play on Sunday? Friday-Monday games? For my money, if your faith is strong enough that you won't play when the rest of the field is playing, you take a forfeit and be happy that you stayed true to your faith.
A related observation. I once saw the coaches of a-not-to-be-named-school-that-does-not-play-on-Sundays scouting the upcoming opposition on the Sunday before their match.
Well, Yeshiva could get around it if they played on Saturday night after the sun went down (when the Sabbath ends.) However, if they went to the Final Four, then there could be real trouble. ;)
If we are so worried about these players missing classes, maybe all weekday games and out of town" trips" during the season should be done away with too. If a student or team doesn't feel that they can get their academic work done, maybe they should just not play or they should forfeit the game and be true to their academic pursuit.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 11, 2015, 09:35:16 AM
LGOTB, nice work on the overnight shift.
I'm going to agree and disagree with your analysis, although that seems crazy while you're in the middle of your hot streak, and I'll probably see you re-posting this post in about 11 days as you bask in celebration of yet another predictions victory.
On the MSU pod, I won't argue with you much on the weakest SoS claim as the pod does have wild variability, BUT, there is still Tufts at .623, Chicago at .599, OWU at .597, MSU at .584, CMU at .579, and F&M at .571. Then there are Kenyon, Calvin, and TMC at the low end where IMHO their SoS does not parallel the challenge that they present. I would agree as a general statement that MSU may have too much firepower for the other teams in this field, and in my view MSU talent-wise is one of the top 2-3 teams in the country with as good an opportunity as anyone to win the national title. Here's the problem. If Tufts beats Salisbury (not a given with all the questions around the Jumbos but I think they'll find a way to get out of that one alive), MSU will be facing one of the few teams that can match them pound-for-pound and that will go into the game fully expecting to prevail. I can't imagine a more difficult 2nd round opponent for MSU. That is a 50/50 game IMO, and if Tufts gets ahead I think MSU will be in real trouble as the pressure in the game mounts. If I'm MSU, I'd rather play any other team in the pod than Tufts and they could get them 2nd round.
I think I know what you mean about Kenyon and Calvin being strong untested programs, but is that really true? Starting with Calvin you're talking about a program that is right there on the heels of Messiah and Wheaton, and who was in the national title game in 2011. I don't care who they've played, the Knights are 20-0-1 with 76 GF and 4 GA. If Calvin somehow survives OWU and then [F&M/CMU, etc] they will be playing well and a legitimate challenge....probably not enough to beat MSU but no cakewalk by any means. In the Sweet 16, MSU IMO would have too much for either TMC or Chicago, although TMC would have no fear and fights for a win like almost no team I've ever seen. I'll put it this way....underestimate TMC at your own risk. If MSU gets Kenyon I think the Lords are the second most difficult foe in the whole pod for them (after Tufts). Kenyon has played in a bunch of high-intensity, high pressure games over the past three years, and Kenyon probably prefers being in a bit more of an underdog role as long as they are playing anyone who doesn't have OWU on its jersey. I would expect a MSU-Kenyon game to be very similar to the Messiah-Kenyon game of 2013, with the difference being that Kenyon would go in fully expecting to win and much closer to even from a talent standpoint. That would be another great game, just as I think Tufts-Kenyon would be a very intriguing match-up. The winner of the projected OWU-Calvin game I'm guessing would be quite happy to see anyone other than MSU on the other side. And if OWU manages to get to the Elite 8, then just based on their pedigree, confidence, swag, and coaching they would be at a minimum 50/50 odds to advance regardless of who is on the other side. In short, MSU I agree goes in as a favorite, but only a slight favorite for me, as there are at least two and probably three games they definitely would have a strong risk of losing.
I disagree that Haverford faces the toughest road. If it's W&L I think the Generals will play well and give a good account of themselves, but based on watching them against Messiah I believe Haverford is just too strong. SLU would certainly be a test, and SLU reminds me of last year's OWU team....not necessarily one of the best SLU squads in recent memory but good enough and with enough pedigree to get to Kansas City. This would be another very intriguing game...that will NOT be played in Canton, NY, and compared to the challenges other top teams could face in the Sweet 16, SLU is not an unreasonably difficult challenge for the 'Fords at that stage. On the other side, Haverford wouldn't have to play ALL of those teams you listed....just one. They have too much for Plattsburgh/Bowdoin, although Bowdoin certainly could keep the game tight and give themselves a chance. And the 'Fords are already battle-tested for the likes of Oneonta and RUC. A couple of teams in this pod could beat Haverford, but I certainly don't see a team that they couldn't beat.
In the Loras pod, I feel the same way about the Duhawks as I do SLU this year and OWU last year, but even stronger...not one of Loras' all-time most talented teams but still with an excellent opportunity here. Especially if they stay in the Rock Bowl, I don't see a team outside of Wheaton that can take them out. Now someone is going to come in and say DePauw already beat them once, and I'm telling you DePauw would have a 10% chance of beating them again. Not going to happen. And Wheaton has got to get to the Elite 8 to have a shot at Loras, and that may be less than a 50/50 proposition in itself. Are we going to see the Thunder team that could run the table from here on out, or the one that can fail to prevail against a team that was something like 4-10-3?
Agree with you 95% on Amherst. The one team that could beat them, even if outshot and outplayed, is Brandeis, and in that regard I think it's no accident that Serpone reportedly was just scouting the Judges. Brandeis is battle-tested and possesses the right mentality to knock off Amherst (and relish doing so). The challenge for Brandeis will be getting to that game, as their pattern of 1-0 games suggests one of those could eventually go the wrong way on them and Trinity/Whitworth/Redlands would present Brandeis with a challenge that would not be so difficult for the Lord Jeffs.
[Just realized I had a complete amnestic episode in failing to mention F&M/Babson and CMU/Gordon. Just more evidence that the MSU pod is no joke. Corrected an error above.]
Nice!
Quote from: pad3fan on November 12, 2015, 03:27:27 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on November 11, 2015, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: RetiredD3Fan on November 11, 2015, 03:34:35 PM
Quote from: swibbles on November 11, 2015, 12:00:37 PM
The NCAA scheduling committee has done it again. Another year of religious exceptions putting games on school days to avoid Sundays.
Why should some kids have to miss school so other kids don't have to miss church? Strange precedent for the NCAA to set...
That is an absolutely valid point. The logic escapes me. What would happen, say, if Yeshiva (they don't play on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath) made the tournament (ok, not going to' happen, I know, but it COULD) and was placed in a bracket with a team that did not play on Sunday? Friday-Monday games? For my money, if your faith is strong enough that you won't play when the rest of the field is playing, you take a forfeit and be happy that you stayed true to your faith.
A related observation. I once saw the coaches of a-not-to-be-named-school-that-does-not-play-on-Sundays scouting the upcoming opposition on the Sunday before their match.
Well, Yeshiva could get around it if they played on Saturday night after the sun went down (when the Sabbath ends.) However, if they went to the Final Four, then there could be real trouble. ;)
If we are so worried about these players missing classes, maybe all weekday games and out of town" trips" during the season should be done away with too. If a student or team doesn't feel that they can get their academic work done, maybe they should just not play or they should forfeit the game and be true to their academic pursuit.
I think you're missing the point. All student-athletes must sacrifice a good deal of their time in order to participate in their sport - that is a given. The issue I wanted to bring to discussion was that in this specific situation, the missing of class time seems unnecessary and calls into question the NCAA's priorities. I understand that from time to time a student must miss a class in order to participate in his/her sport, it's the fact that they're forced to play on a weekday (and miss out on a day of class) so that another student-athlete can attend church on Sunday that rubs me the wrong way.
Quote from: swibbles on November 12, 2015, 10:28:17 AM
I think you're missing the point. All student-athletes must sacrifice a good deal of their time in order to participate in their sport - that is a given. The issue I wanted to bring to discussion was that in this specific situation, the missing of class time seems unnecessary and calls into question the NCAA's priorities. I understand that from time to time a student must miss a class in order to participate in his/her sport, it's the fact that they're forced to play on a weekday (and miss out on a day of class) so that another student-athlete can attend church on Sunday that rubs me the wrong way.
Been this way for a long time. But if it was me, I'd agree with you.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 11, 2015, 02:45:57 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 11, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
I actually think the UAA is going to have their best year in the NCAA's this year in the early rounds.
4 teams all with a legit chance to make the Sweet 16.
CMU can dispatch of Gordon and F&M
Brandies can handle Thomas and Stevens
Chicago can upset Thomas More and Kenyon.
Wash U can certainly almost walk into the sweet 16 with wins over Millsaps and Depauw.
Chicago has the toughest road but I believe they are a better team than Wash U and CMU.
The question is can 1 of them get to the Final 4? The answer is NO
The Thomas coach said that Tre Ming is "one of the top three players in Division III." Haven't seen much of him, what do you think Mr.Right? (I'm guessing that was a generous accolade, though to be fair the guy does have 6 goals and 20 assists.)
This is interesting. Where did you read he said that. The Thomas coach does not have a good reputation with his peers I can tell you that without getting into specifics. When it comes to Tre Ming its on the day. If he is fired up and playing his absolute best HE WILL BE the best player on the field against Brandeis and that is saying something. Tre Ming has that much skill and is a great technical player. His issue is he is a massive HEADCASE. If Brandeis whacks him a few times and frustrates him enough it will take him completely out of his game. If Brandeis gives him space and allows him time this will just build his confidence. Thomas does have some nice complimentary pieces around him for a side from such a weak conference. Brandeis will and should be concerned by this Thomas side which has something to prove IMO. They need to take this game seriously and get a quick goal or 2 and they will bury Thomas. However, Tre Ming does have the talent to score a goal or create a goal out of nothing. This can get very nervy for Brandeis especially the longer Thomas can stay in this game.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 12, 2015, 11:09:10 AM
This is interesting. Where did you read he said that. The Thomas coach does not have a good reputation with his peers I can tell you that without getting into specifics. When it comes to Tre Ming its on the day. If he is fired up and playing his absolute best HE WILL BE the best player on the field against Brandeis and that is saying something. Tre Ming has that much skill and is a great technical player. His issue is he is a massive HEADCASE. If Brandeis whacks him a few times and frustrates him enough it will take him completely out of his game. If Brandeis gives him space and allows him time this will just build his confidence. Thomas does have some nice complimentary pieces around him for a side from such a weak conference. Brandeis will and should be concerned by this Thomas side which has something to prove IMO. They need to take this game seriously and get a quick goal or 2 and they will bury Thomas. However, Tre Ming does have the talent to score a goal or create a goal out of nothing. This can get very nervy for Brandeis especially the longer Thomas can stay in this game.
There was an article in Thomas' local Waterville paper about them playing Brandeis. From recently, so you could go find it if you wanted. Interesting piece.
I agree that the Judges will take Thomas seriously, they've got some dangerous threats, but I also remember when Brandeis had to play Roger Williams and they completely took All-American Trevor Hoxsie out of the game by putting two center backs on him and shutting off his supply from midfield by playing 3 in the center and having the wing backs pressing to keep their outside backs from getting forward. Coven and Margolis are excellent at scouting opposing players and they'll know all about Ming, as well as LaBrie and Nicholas, and my guess is that they'll have a center mid man-mark Ming and ensure that Lanahan and Robinson stay home to combat their forwards. They'll also probably use their aggressive style of play and pressing to throw Ming out of his rhythm. The big issue with Thomas is that they seem to let up a ton of goals, and even with Brandeis' inconsistent offense I think the Judges will fancy their chances. That said, Thomas will likely come out high energy, so it's on Brandeis to make sure they do things right and get the job done.
Thomas I saw only once all season against Colby who they defeated. They are used to turf and night games. They are like a poor man's UMASS Boston. Some flair in midfield and up top but a total dysfunction in the back and in goal. Goalies are goalies though and all it takes is the GK to "have a good day" to frustrate Brandeis. Sometimes the more shots he sees the more confident he gets and that confidence can be contagious throughout the team. I remember them in 2012 in the NCAA's against Williams in Williamstown during the day and on grass against a SOLID Williams side. Williams out shot them 5:1 but were frustrated because they kind of played down to their level. This is a totally different Thomas side but I imagine they will look similar. The one thing I do remember is this Thomas side lacks SIZE and that stuck out to me when they played Colby.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 12, 2015, 11:41:31 AM
Thomas I saw only once all season against Colby who they defeated. They are used to turf and night games. They are like a poor man's UMASS Boston. Some flair in midfield and up top but a total dysfunction in the back and in goal. Goalies are goalies though and all it takes is the GK to "have a good day" to frustrate Brandeis. Sometimes the more shots he sees the more confident he gets and that confidence can be contagious throughout the team. I remember them in 2012 in the NCAA's against Williams in Williamstown during the day and on grass against a SOLID Williams side. Williams out shot them 5:1 but were frustrated because they kind of played down to their level. This is a totally different Thomas side but I imagine they will look similar. The one thing I do remember is this Thomas side lacks SIZE and that stuck out to me when they played Colby.
I give you props, Mr.Right. You have a quick mind. "Poor man's UMass-Bos" is perfect. I watched that same game Thomas vs Colby.
Quote from: swibbles on November 12, 2015, 10:28:17 AM
Quote from: pad3fan on November 12, 2015, 03:27:27 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on November 11, 2015, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: RetiredD3Fan on November 11, 2015, 03:34:35 PM
Quote from: swibbles on November 11, 2015, 12:00:37 PM
The NCAA scheduling committee has done it again. Another year of religious exceptions putting games on school days to avoid Sundays.
Why should some kids have to miss school so other kids don't have to miss church? Strange precedent for the NCAA to set...
That is an absolutely valid point. The logic escapes me. What would happen, say, if Yeshiva (they don't play on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath) made the tournament (ok, not going to' happen, I know, but it COULD) and was placed in a bracket with a team that did not play on Sunday? Friday-Monday games? For my money, if your faith is strong enough that you won't play when the rest of the field is playing, you take a forfeit and be happy that you stayed true to your faith.
A related observation. I once saw the coaches of a-not-to-be-named-school-that-does-not-play-on-Sundays scouting the upcoming opposition on the Sunday before their match.
Well, Yeshiva could get around it if they played on Saturday night after the sun went down (when the Sabbath ends.) However, if they went to the Final Four, then there could be real trouble. ;)
If we are so worried about these players missing classes, maybe all weekday games and out of town" trips" during the season should be done away with too. If a student or team doesn't feel that they can get their academic work done, maybe they should just not play or they should forfeit the game and be true to their academic pursuit.
I think you're missing the point. All student-athletes must sacrifice a good deal of their time in order to participate in their sport - that is a given. The issue I wanted to bring to discussion was that in this specific situation, the missing of class time seems unnecessary and calls into question the NCAA's priorities. I understand that from time to time a student must miss a class in order to participate in his/her sport, it's the fact that they're forced to play on a weekday (and miss out on a day of class) so that another student-athlete can attend church on Sunday that rubs me the wrong way.
Does the NCAA do the scheduling or is it up to the schools to negotiate play dates/times? Don't understand why either would want to send the message that school is less important, just asking the questoin....
Its not a big deal and it is better for fans as we can see more games because of the Friday games.
What was a problem was when Dave Brandt was taking advantage of the rule and scouting opponents on the Sunday after his pod was done. 10 years ago there was limited video so it was a massive advantage and complete manipulation of the rule. Finally, it caught up to him and I believe the NCAA told Messiah in 2008 no more and they started playing Saturday / Sunday. Not sure why the others are still allowed to though.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 12, 2015, 12:57:24 PM
Its not a big deal and it is better for fans as we can see more games because of the Friday games.
What was a problem was when Dave Brandt was taking advantage of the rule and scouting opponents on the Sunday after his pod was done. 10 years ago there was limited video so it was a massive advantage and complete manipulation of the rule. Finally, it caught up to him and I believe the NCAA told Messiah in 2008 no more and they started playing Saturday / Sunday. Not sure why the others are still allowed to though.
While I acknowledge that this is probably in the minority, I've heard stories of professors who won't allow students to make special arrangements for exams and they've had to stay at school and miss the game. The competitive advantage is a potential side-problem and it's good that Messiah isn't allowed to do that any more.
It's written into the NCAA bylaws that the NCAA can schedule around religious observance days if notified that it causes a hardship. Somewhere in one of the handbooks. It is not specific to any single religion or any single school.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 12, 2015, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 12, 2015, 11:41:31 AM
Thomas I saw only once all season against Colby who they defeated. They are used to turf and night games. They are like a poor man's UMASS Boston. Some flair in midfield and up top but a total dysfunction in the back and in goal. Goalies are goalies though and all it takes is the GK to "have a good day" to frustrate Brandeis. Sometimes the more shots he sees the more confident he gets and that confidence can be contagious throughout the team. I remember them in 2012 in the NCAA's against Williams in Williamstown during the day and on grass against a SOLID Williams side. Williams out shot them 5:1 but were frustrated because they kind of played down to their level. This is a totally different Thomas side but I imagine they will look similar. The one thing I do remember is this Thomas side lacks SIZE and that stuck out to me when they played Colby.
I give you props, Mr.Right. You have a quick mind. "Poor man's UMass-Bos" is perfect. I watched that same game Thomas vs Colby.
Thomas has another midfielder who seems to run the show as much or more than Ming: Willie Clemons, a sophomore also from Bermuda. Ming often pushes forward, and Clemons is the link from back to front. He also scored two goals against Colby, including a late one to send the game to OT. IMO Clemons is just as dangerous and talented as Ming.
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 12, 2015, 01:57:36 PM
Thomas has another midfielder who seems to run the show as much or more than Ming: Willie Clemons, a sophomore also from Bermuda. Ming often pushes forward, and Clemons is the link from back to front. He also scored two goals against Colby, including a late one to send the game to OT. IMO Clemons is just as dangerous and talented as Ming.
You're right, Clemons is good as well. From what I can deduce, Thomas plays somewhat of a 4-4-2 with Clemons and Ming in the center. The two up top will be closely marked by the Brandeis CBs, but Brandeis' 4-3-3 could overwhelm Thomas in the center of the park, especially with a player like Ming who seems very good attacking-wise but not superb defensively, whereas each of Brandeis' three center mids are equally good going forward as well as defending. That said, I'm curious to see if Thomas sets up to park the bus or not - regardless of Ming et al the consensus is still that Brandeis is the superior side and will retain the ball much better than Thomas will, meaning that Thomas will be on the defensive a large portion of the game. But as Mr.Right said, the longer the game goes on the more confident Thomas could become, and if Ming is given space to do damage that could be trouble for the Judges. The good thing for Brandeis is they have speed at the back, so they can feel comfortable going forward and yet getting back in time to stop opportunities.
The more interesting matchup in that pod at least on paper is Stevens vs. RPI. I see a lot of people picking RPI and I think they're the superior side but Stevens is very good offensively and I think that could shade it.
Washington and Lee's field looks atrocious
Methodist dominating in the early stages of the game.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 02:16:55 PM
Methodist dominating in the early stages of the game.
Darn, I knew I should have picked Methodist!
Lastguy, are revisions allowed to Friday 5:00 haha??
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 02:16:55 PM
Methodist dominating in the early stages of the game.
Shooter I agree about the field. But are we watching the same game? Methodist dominating?
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Methodist dominating in the early stages of the game.
Shooter I agree about the field. But are we watching the same game? Methodist dominating?
I didn't see the first 10 minutes but WL has 4 shots I have only seen the one golden chance they had a couple minutes ago. It's been all Methodist since I tuned in. W&L has only been in the offensive third once in the past 10 minutes.
Announcer just said WL had one hit the post. That was before I turned on the feed. What are your thoughts?
Right mid for Methodist is scorching down that sideline (Harrison I believe). Just whipped in a nice ball. Could have been a goal. Personally Methodist looks better since I have started watching.
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Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 02:16:55 PM
Methodist dominating in the early stages of the game.
Shooter I agree about the field. But are we watching the same game? Methodist dominating?
I didn't see the first 10 minutes but WL has 4 shots I have only seen the one golden chance they had a couple minutes ago. It's been all Methodist since I tuned in. W&L has only been in the offensive third once in the past 10 minutes.
I would agree with the last 5-7 in Methodist favor! The first part you missed was the opposite. W&L looked like they wanted to connect passes and this field is not going to allow it. Someone is going to lose this game on a bad bounce or miss kick. I really hope not though.
W&L was pinning them back in the first 10 minutes or so. Methodist was lucky not to get tagged. Since then it's been a much more even battle. Although Methodist is 5-1 in fouls...
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 02:24:26 PM
Right mid for Methodist is scorching down that sideline (Harrison I believe). Just whipped in a nice ball. Could have been a goal. Personally Methodist looks better since I have started watching.
This kid Harrison is going to give them fits. The left back is suspect with his feet and I can see Harrison picking his pocket and it looks like he won't be run down.
And W&L just misses. I see what you're seeing, but most of this game is being played in a very beat up mid-field. I don't see much scorching but I do see a lot of falling down, bouncing passes, and lost possession.
Kind of sad to say, but given the shape of this field, these teams would be better off reverting to Route 1. Too many games, too much rain, and the construction hasn't helped. But that field is killing this game. Sad to say for my alma mater.
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 02:35:46 PM
Kind of sad to say, but given the shape of this field, these teams would be better off reverting to Route 1. Too many games, too much rain, and the construction hasn't helped. But that field is killing this game. Sad to say for my alma mater.
Yes field is not helping at all. Even game for the most part. I saw Wash. Lee play Messiah. Bet they wish they were on the Falcons field right now! Not good quality for an NCAA tournament game. Looks like Muhlenberg's field last season in the elite 8 for the tufts messiah match. COW PASTURE!!!
And yes the construction probably isn't helping for the communication between players. I can hear those machines on the stream. It's loud.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 02:43:21 PM
And yes the construction probably isn't helping for the communication between players. I can hear those machines on the stream. It's loud.
It's a huge construction site too. So yeah, not helping. Going to be nice when it's done, but for this showcase moment, I'm a little aghast at my school.
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Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 02:43:21 PM
And yes the construction probably isn't helping for the communication between players. I can hear those machines on the stream. It's loud.
It's a huge construction site too. So yeah, not helping. Going to be nice when it's done, but for this showcase moment, I'm a little aghast at my school.
Yes I am assuming dorms/apartment housing from what it looks like? Will be great to watch a game from the living room or deck! And the field looks like it would be nice but when it gets this late in the season you have conference playoffs on it they probably shouldn't have cut it so short. A little longer blade then cut it short for the final but it definitely looks chewed up just about everywhere on the pitch.
If you look, W&L is playing into a pretty stiff breeze. I think the Generals have had the better of play except for about 10 minutes. So I wonder after half if W&L will have an easier time connecting.
It is new upper class housing. Going to be beautiful. The field took a beating in the ODAC tournament and both men's and women's teams played and practiced on it all season. It's just in poor shape all around.
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 02:48:37 PM
If you look, W&L is playing into a pretty stiff breeze. I think the Generals have had the better of play except for about 10 minutes. So I wonder after half if W&L will have an easier time connecting.
It is new upper class housing. Going to be beautiful. The field took a beating in the ODAC tournament and both men's and women's teams played and practiced on it all season. It's just in poor shape all around.
I see and yes that may be an advantage in the next half for WL. So they don't have a separate grass practice field to use? Most teams that have grass fields only play on it for game day.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 02:48:37 PM
If you look, W&L is playing into a pretty stiff breeze. I think the Generals have had the better of play except for about 10 minutes. So I wonder after half if W&L will have an easier time connecting.
It is new upper class housing. Going to be beautiful. The field took a beating in the ODAC tournament and both men's and women's teams played and practiced on it all season. It's just in poor shape all around.
I see and yes that may be an advantage in the next half for WL. So they don't have a separate grass practice field to use? Most teams that have grass fields only play on it for game day.
To be honest I don't remember how it is set up anymore. There used to be at least 2 grass fields up that way but it's been moved around a lot lately. I feel like the practice field area is currently being used for staging the construction vehicles and materials. I think they've been practicing on the turf fields when the grass looked iffy and again at season end when they were trying to preserve the grass field. But I'm not 100% sure.
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Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 02:48:37 PM
If you look, W&L is playing into a pretty stiff breeze. I think the Generals have had the better of play except for about 10 minutes. So I wonder after half if W&L will have an easier time connecting.
It is new upper class housing. Going to be beautiful. The field took a beating in the ODAC tournament and both men's and women's teams played and practiced on it all season. It's just in poor shape all around.
I see and yes that may be an advantage in the next half for WL. So they don't have a separate grass practice field to use? Most teams that have grass fields only play on it for game day.
To be honest I don't remember how it is set up anymore. There used to be at least 2 grass fields up that way but it's been moved around a lot lately. I feel like the practice field area is currently being used for staging the construction vehicles and materials. I think they've been practicing on the turf fields when the grass looked iffy and again at season end when they were trying to preserve the grass field. But I'm not 100% sure.
Just bad timing is all. It happens.
Yes. But it's really deteriorated just since the ODAC tournament. A shame for a game like this to be played on a field in that condition. Feel bad for both teams since it just doesn't lend itself to soccer.
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 02:59:22 PM
Yes. But it's really deteriorated just since the ODAC tournament. A shame for a game like this to be played on a field in that condition. Feel bad for both teams since it just doesn't lend itself to soccer.
Agreed.
W&L scraps a goal. They've dominated play in the second half so it was due, but it wasn't pretty.
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 03:13:35 PM
W&L scraps a goal. They've dominated play in the second half so it was due, but it wasn't pretty.
Only a matter of time until they get another.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 03:13:35 PM
W&L scraps a goal. They've dominated play in the second half so it was due, but it wasn't pretty.
Only a matter of time until they get another.
There's two. Too much pressure. W&L looks much better in the second half. Methodist is pinned back. I think the wind was playing a huge roll in the first half.
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
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Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 03:13:35 PM
W&L scraps a goal. They've dominated play in the second half so it was due, but it wasn't pretty.
Only a matter of time until they get another.
There's two. Too much pressure. W&L looks much better in the second half. Methodist is pinned back. I think the wind was playing a huge roll in the first half.
Great individual effort by Kim. Nice strike too. Game over. Keep me posted but I'm done watching this one ;D
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 03:20:41 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 12, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2015, 03:13:35 PM
W&L scraps a goal. They've dominated play in the second half so it was due, but it wasn't pretty.
Only a matter of time until they get another.
There's two. Too much pressure. W&L looks much better in the second half. Methodist is pinned back. I think the wind was playing a huge roll in the first half.
Great individual effort by Kim. Nice strike too. Game over. Keep me posted but I'm done watching this one ;D
There is the 3rd on a PK. Looked like a fould and the Methodist team didn't really put up a huge fight about it.
W&L wins 3-0. Wasn't pretty but got the job done. Be interesting to see them against Haverford. I think the second year coach has aspirations, so if nothing else he will get a yardstick. Hopefully the pitch will be better and the wind won't be howling and the teams can play soccer.
Nice job Generals. First NCAA win since 2000. Which was also the last appearance...
Anyone know if the Morrisville St game is going to be streamed? I can't find a video link.
Quick point of vexation, I think it's in poor taste that the ncaa allows a team with the name "Red Men" in the NCAA. An institution which receives major government sponsorship and in turn shares profits with the us government, in essence a governmental entity, allows a team with a mascot that has a derogatory phrase attached to it compete in its league. Especially after all of the hardship and injustice that the government instilled on the Native American people, I find it slightly offensive. That being said, I think that the red men will make a serious run in the tournament. With wins against some big time hitters, like Chicago, and winning their conference title, usually dominated by powerhouse Wheaton, I see them going a long way. My final prediction, elite eight. Strong senior class and unbelievable depth, they will be a force to be reckoned with.
Quote from: pelinho5 on November 12, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
Quick point of vexation, I think it's in poor taste that the ncaa allows a team with the name "Red Men" in the NCAA. An institution which receives major government sponsorship and in turn shares profits with the us government, in essence a governmental entity, allows a team with a mascot that has a derogatory phrase attached to it compete in its league. Especially after all of the hardship and injustice that the government instilled on the Native American people, I find it slightly offensive.
I hear you. And what about some of the other names:
Beavers - offensive to women
Saints, Lords - offensive to atheists
Red Devils - offensive to theists and deists
Polar Bears - why only white bears?
Jumbos - offensive to little people
The NCAA should take charge and mandate changes for all these potentially offensive names immediately !!
Quote from: Off Pitch on November 12, 2015, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: pelinho5 on November 12, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
Quick point of vexation, I think it's in poor taste that the ncaa allows a team with the name "Red Men" in the NCAA. An institution which receives major government sponsorship and in turn shares profits with the us government, in essence a governmental entity, allows a team with a mascot that has a derogatory phrase attached to it compete in its league. Especially after all of the hardship and injustice that the government instilled on the Native American people, I find it slightly offensive.
I hear you. And what about some of the other names:
Beavers - offensive to women
Saints, Lords - offensive to atheists
Red Devils - offensive to theists and deists
Polar Bears - why only white bears?
Jumbos - offensive to little people
The NCAA should take charge and mandate changes for all these potentially offensive names immediately !!
I hope someone gave you +K for this!
Quote from: Off Pitch on November 12, 2015, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: pelinho5 on November 12, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
Quick point of vexation, I think it's in poor taste that the ncaa allows a team with the name "Red Men" in the NCAA. An institution which receives major government sponsorship and in turn shares profits with the us government, in essence a governmental entity, allows a team with a mascot that has a derogatory phrase attached to it compete in its league. Especially after all of the hardship and injustice that the government instilled on the Native American people, I find it slightly offensive.
I hear you. And what about some of the other names:
Beavers - offensive to women
Saints, Lords - offensive to atheists
Red Devils - offensive to theists and deists
Polar Bears - why only white bears?
Jumbos - offensive to little people
The NCAA should take charge and mandate changes for all these potentially offensive names immediately !!
Good points! But the NCAA guidelines say we shouldn't have mascots that refer to particular people groups. There are lots of other teams with mascots that seem to violate this guideline:
Scots
Britons
Dutchmen
Engineers
Presidents
Knights
Fighting Irish (not D3)
These, and all similar, should be eliminated.
But we don't want to be speciesist. For similar reasons we should eliminate
Polar bears
Hornets
Beavers
Wolverines
Banana slugs
etc.
You're safe (for now) with vegetable matter (e.g. the Buckeyes) or things which no one understands (Hoosiers).
You're also safe with atmospheric disturbances, like the Thunder and the Hurricanes. Maybe other teams could take mascots like the Rainstorms, the Fog, the Light Sprinkles, the Flakes (as in snow), or maybe the Quarter-sized Hail.
Quote from: Dark Knight on November 12, 2015, 06:00:41 PM
Good points! But the NCAA guidelines say we shouldn't have mascots that refer to particular people groups. There are lots of other teams with mascots that seem to violate this guideline:
Scots
Britons
Dutchmen
Engineers
Presidents
Knights
Fighting Irish (not D3)
Judges
Lord Jeffs (?)
;)
Yes, remember Wheaton (Illinois) changed their name from Crusaders to Thunder, all the wins under the offensive name should be vacated.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 12, 2015, 06:05:43 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on November 12, 2015, 06:00:41 PM
Good points! But the NCAA guidelines say we shouldn't have mascots that refer to particular people groups. There are lots of other teams with mascots that seem to violate this guideline:
Scots
Britons
Dutchmen
Engineers
Presidents
Knights
Fighting Irish (not D3)
Judges
Lord Jeffs (?)
;)
My wife was on a team of 50-something women. I thought they should call themselves the "middle-aged dribblers" but she didn't go for that one.
So much for Cabrini. Morrisville played Messiah well last year... Can they upset Amherst?
Quote from: blooter442 on November 12, 2015, 06:05:43 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on November 12, 2015, 06:00:41 PM
Good points! But the NCAA guidelines say we shouldn't have mascots that refer to particular people groups. There are lots of other teams with mascots that seem to violate this guideline:
Scots
Britons
Dutchmen
Engineers
Presidents
Knights
Fighting Irish (not D3)
Judges
Lord Jeffs (?)
;)
Student Princes - an affront to the women of Heidelberg and/or future transgender male athletes
Just FYI Carthage changed from the "Redmen" with a logo that had a feather connotation to a Native American headdress, to the "Red Men" referring to their uniform color and changed their logo.
Quote from: WarhawkFan on November 12, 2015, 07:11:04 PM
Just FYI Carthage changed from the "Redmen" with a logo that had a feather connotation to a Native American headdress, to the "Red Men" referring to their uniform color and changed their logo.
It helped - they just took the lead at ONU 2-1
Quote from: WarhawkFan on November 12, 2015, 07:11:04 PM
Just FYI Carthage changed from the "Redmen" with a logo that had a feather connotation to a Native American headdress, to the "Red Men" referring to their uniform color and changed their logo.
Oh, well that's different. Never mind.
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 12, 2015, 07:18:45 PM
Quote from: WarhawkFan on November 12, 2015, 07:11:04 PM
Just FYI Carthage changed from the "Redmen" with a logo that had a feather connotation to a Native American headdress, to the "Red Men" referring to their uniform color and changed their logo.
It helped - they just took the lead at ONU 2-1
3-2 Carthage...have no idea how much time is left. No sound no time :P
Duhawks v Red Men @ Rock Bowl, 1pm CT
Good luck to the Bowdoin men's soccer team in the NCAA tournament.
GoUBears!!
Fantastic way to start the NCAA Tournament for UMASS Boston.
http://www.whdh.com/story/30507105/umass-boston-soccer-players-facing-discipline-for-insensitive-tweets
I agree with the players but you cannot go about disagreeing with Twellman like that.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 08:26:36 AM
Fantastic way to start the NCAA Tournament for UMASS Boston.
http://www.whdh.com/story/30507105/umass-boston-soccer-players-facing-discipline-for-insensitive-tweets
I agree with the players but you cannot go about disagreeing with Twellman like that.
I tweeted as well but wasn't as harsh. I think mine was like "And the US Youth Program(already behind) takes a shot and it goes out for a throw in!#Embarrassing". Now back to the tournament. Anyone think one of the bye teams can get upset after watching yesterdays matches?
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 08:26:36 AM
Fantastic way to start the NCAA Tournament for UMASS Boston.
http://www.whdh.com/story/30507105/umass-boston-soccer-players-facing-discipline-for-insensitive-tweets
I agree with the players but you cannot go about disagreeing with Twellman like that.
"The school says the players will face some type of disciplinary action that has not been announced yet..." doubt they will miss any NCAA tournament games.
I also agree that if people don't want concussions then don't play the game or avoid using your head. But you can get a concussion in any sport and I would like to see if it is more likely that one would get a concussion in soccer compared to football...so are the youth football players going to stop tackling each other too? Gotta teach fundamentals at some point...
Nah those 3 players are definitely not playing v Scranton. Depending on who the 3 ARE will be a deciding factor in the outcome of the game. UMASS Boston does not have any depth to deal with this type of disaster. I suppose it is a learning moment but let's wait and see who the players are first.
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 13, 2015, 08:34:51 AM
Anyone think one of the bye teams can get upset after watching yesterdays matches?
In my limited viewing I thought Carthage looked pretty good. No idea if they play on turf at home, but getting a game on ONU's turf will be good preparation for Loras. I don't see Amherst losing, but W&L will be battle-tested after the last few weeks and Haverford's open style of play could lead to a really good game.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 08:26:36 AM
Fantastic way to start the NCAA Tournament for UMASS Boston.
http://www.whdh.com/story/30507105/umass-boston-soccer-players-facing-discipline-for-insensitive-tweets
I agree with the players but you cannot go about disagreeing with Twellman like that.
Personally I can't stand Twellman, I think he's narcissistic as they come, but you can't do that. Another example of UMASS-Boston's lack of composure I've harped on! ;)
Update: it appears that two of the players have made a combined total of five appearances, so I don't think they'll be too concerned.
Ahh...Where are we getting who the players are? Link?
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 10:07:17 AM
Ahh...Where are we getting who the players are? Link?
Just went to Twellman's Twitter (https://twitter.com/taylortwellman), it only shows two though. Maybe there's a third lurking out there?
yea he is an annoyance but man he scored some great goals for the Revs. The ironic thing is his "head" made him such a great goalscorer. He had a knack of getting to where the ball was going and finishing with his head.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 10:23:26 AM
yea he is an annoyance but man he scored some great goals for the Revs. The ironic thing is his "head" made him such a great goalscorer. He had a knack of getting to where the ball was going and finishing with his head.
yes. But then retired young because of concussions. Concussions have been his pet project for many years, I'm not surprised he's very involved in this issue.
Ok. Where was he 10 years ago on the issue when he first begun to get them. Exactly. Nowhere because his career depended on it. Easier to attack the issue now with his playing career over and a stable TV job locked up.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 10:36:18 AM
Ok. Where was he 10 years ago on the issue when he first begun to get them. Exactly. Nowhere because his career depended on it. Easier to attack the issue now with his playing career over and a stable TV job locked up.
Well yeah. But that's how the world works. People don't generally cut off their nose to spite their face. His career was cut short, so now he feels passionate about concussions. Before his career was cut short, it wasn't an issue for him and arguing about it wasn't a smart career move.
Ugh....Forget it. I am actually mad that he has disrupted this fragile UMASS Boston side. After that bus ride up to Canton, NY those local city kids probably feel like they just drove to the middle of Saskatchewan. At some point boredom hit and this is the end result.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
Ugh....Forget it. I am actually mad that he has disrupted this fragile UMASS Boston side. After that bus ride up to Canton, NY those local city kids probably feel like they just drove to the middle of Saskatchewan. At some point boredom hit and this is the end result.
Easy there Mr. Wrong, the trip to Canton is long, but is absolutely beautiful. And the best part? They get to play on the nicest grass field east of the Mississippi!
If these "city kids" can't handle the ride, then they definitely can't handle playing on a 120x80 REAL GRASS field.
Quote from: Ryan Harmanis on November 13, 2015, 09:31:10 AM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 13, 2015, 08:34:51 AM
Anyone think one of the bye teams can get upset after watching yesterdays matches?
In my limited viewing I thought Carthage looked pretty good. No idea if they play on turf at home, but getting a game on ONU's turf will be good preparation for Loras. I don't see Amherst losing, but W&L will be battle-tested after the last few weeks and Haverford's open style of play could lead to a really good game.
Carthage plays on turf as well. I think they could pose a serious threat to Loras, but the Red Men can be so inconsistent that this game could be a close win for Carthage or a blowout win for Loras. Austin Bitta is a good player for Carthage that seems to be playing very, very well at the moment.
I'm thinking Carthage may squeak it out. 2-1 in overtime for me.
Quote from: SandyMac on November 13, 2015, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
Ugh....Forget it. I am actually mad that he has disrupted this fragile UMASS Boston side. After that bus ride up to Canton, NY those local city kids probably feel like they just drove to the middle of Saskatchewan. At some point boredom hit and this is the end result.
Easy there Mr. Wrong, the trip to Canton is long, but is absolutely beautiful. And the best part? They get to play on the nicest grass field east of the Mississippi!
If these "city kids" can't handle the ride, then they definitely can't handle playing on a 120x80 REAL GRASS field.
I am sure those kids were wide eyed the whole way up and appreciated and enjoyed and the "beautiful" ride as much as you on a Sunday stroll. Try on a different pair of shoes sometime it might help.
Pretty sure I'll be wearing this very same pair of shoes until the day I die.
But your point is well received. I hope that mess doesn't have an effect on the UMB team, and that we get some quality soccer up in Canton this weekend (and some good weather?)
First off no one likes Taylor Twellman...he's lucky Alexi Lalas is in broadcasting or he would be the most hated instead of Alexi.
Second off if you go and read some of Twellman's tweets he is firing right back at kids...why if you are a professional athlete and figure would you dip so low and play their game. If anything he should get reprimanded as well for some of the stuff I have read on his Twitter account today. What a jerk he is.
Have to come down on the side of the kids here.
They were unwise to send the tweets they did, but we are talking about college soccer guys, not NBA players who should know the dangers of social media.
What we have here are immature kids doing something knuckleheaded.
The response by a former professional player to then Disparage the kids and the "leadership" of the University is petty and shows a lack of maturity and self esteem.
This Twellman fellow knew quite well that by doing this these kids might miss out on a once in a lifetime opportunity to Dance.
Was that worth it?
Could he not have reached out to these kids and the University "quietly" perhaps used this as an opportunity to speak with college D3 players and High School Players from the region about his concerns for head injuries.
Had he approached this correctly, these very same kids would have been his disciples spreading the message after they became more educated on the matter (or not, as I don't, but could still have a civil conversation and show the kids by EXAMPLE the correct way for adults to disagree).
This was a big time political payback move pulled on college players by a small person.
P.S.
I know that Saint Nation does not want to face a weakened Umass squad because of this controversy.
Heres hoping the team will stick together and get stronger from this.
NJAC Predictions:
MSU: They reach the final 4 and possibly win it all. They have weapons all over the field and can get goals from everywhere. Wide guys are super dangerous and central mids can hurt you also. Teams are going to have a hard time stopping all the fire power. Hosting is always a positive but all of their blemishes have been at home interesting enough. If they get past Tufts which i think could be a difficult game, they are on their way to final 4. Only way i see them losing is if a teams sits in and defends all game and survives it by countering or PK's. Don't see many teams being able to go head-to-head with them.
Rowan: Similar to MSU with a lot of attacking talent but a notch below. They are a bit reckless creating a lot of fouls and yellow cards which could hurt if they play a team dangerous on set pieces. Youth and inexperience may catch up to them but They advance from this weekend and end their run in the sweet 16.
Camden: Not to offend LGOTB but Camden is probably the weakest soccer playing team if you look at top 7 in NJAC. They were outplayed badly in 2 of 3 NJAC playoff games but credit to them for advancing. They park the bus from the beginning and hope to score 1st goal. if they score 1st, they park 2 buses. Team is built on defense, set pieces and Ryan up front. Stop that and not much else to worry about. Teams in NCAA should be good enough to lock down one player and deal with long throws. They may get by Eastern but it ends at Oneonta.
Quote from: Gol2Gol on November 13, 2015, 02:37:40 PM
NJAC Predictions:
MSU: They reach the final 4 and possibly win it all. They have weapons all over the field and can get goals from everywhere. Wide guys are super dangerous and central mids can hurt you also. Teams are going to have a hard time stopping all the fire power. Hosting is always a positive but all of their blemishes have been at home interesting enough. If they get past Tufts which i think could be a difficult game, they are on their way to final 4. Only way i see them losing is if a teams sits in and defends all game and survives it by countering or PK's. Don't see many teams being able to go head-to-head with them.
Rowan: Similar to MSU with a lot of attacking talent but a notch below. They are a bit reckless creating a lot of fouls and yellow cards which could hurt if they play a team dangerous on set pieces. Youth and inexperience may catch up to them but They advance from this weekend and end their run in the sweet 16.
Camden: Not to offend LGOTB but Camden is probably the weakest soccer playing team if you look at top 7 in NJAC. They were outplayed badly in 2 of 3 NJAC playoff games but credit to them for advancing. They park the bus from the beginning and hope to score 1st goal. if they score 1st, they park 2 buses. Team is built on defense, set pieces and Ryan up front. Stop that and not much else to worry about. Teams in NCAA should be good enough to lock down one player and deal with long throws. They may get by Eastern but it ends at Oneonta.
I don't think Rowan gets by Dickinson in the first round...
Not offended at all, but they've won 4 of the last 5 NJAC Championships and have a few solid seniors that can lead the team on a run.... so we will see what happens. Whatever their style may be, it works. They are patient and organized. Eastern game is no guarantee... This team is capable of losing to Eastern OR making a run to KC.
I still agree with MSU reaching at least the Final 4. They just have to break down Tufts, which isn't easy. And on top of that...avoid getting countered.
I have Rowan losing to Dickinson...
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 13, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Gol2Gol on November 13, 2015, 02:37:40 PM
NJAC Predictions:
MSU: They reach the final 4 and possibly win it all. They have weapons all over the field and can get goals from everywhere. Wide guys are super dangerous and central mids can hurt you also. Teams are going to have a hard time stopping all the fire power. Hosting is always a positive but all of their blemishes have been at home interesting enough. If they get past Tufts which i think could be a difficult game, they are on their way to final 4. Only way i see them losing is if a teams sits in and defends all game and survives it by countering or PK's. Don't see many teams being able to go head-to-head with them.
Rowan: Similar to MSU with a lot of attacking talent but a notch below. They are a bit reckless creating a lot of fouls and yellow cards which could hurt if they play a team dangerous on set pieces. Youth and inexperience may catch up to them but They advance from this weekend and end their run in the sweet 16.
Camden: Not to offend LGOTB but Camden is probably the weakest soccer playing team if you look at top 7 in NJAC. They were outplayed badly in 2 of 3 NJAC playoff games but credit to them for advancing. They park the bus from the beginning and hope to score 1st goal. if they score 1st, they park 2 buses. Team is built on defense, set pieces and Ryan up front. Stop that and not much else to worry about. Teams in NCAA should be good enough to lock down one player and deal with long throws. They may get by Eastern but it ends at Oneonta.
I don't think Rowan gets by Dickinson in the first round...
I am not sure Rowan gets by Dickinson either. And then to get out of the weekend we would assume they face Lycoming which wont be an easy task. Rutgers-Camden seems to find a way to get it done. I do have them going far like LGOTB but if they "park the wrong bus" it could be 1 and done!
A few of you seem very confident that MSU is going to derail Daniel Webster's 16 game winning streak. Just so you know, DW packed their bags for 2 nights.
Gol2gol, post your tourney picks in the 2015 Bracketology thread...
Good luck to MSU in the quest for a run at the title.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 13, 2015, 03:28:38 PM
A few of you seem very confident that MSU is going to derail Daniel Webster's 16 game winning streak. Just so you know, DW packed their bags for 2 nights.
What are they wearing the 2nd day? Bathing suits?
MSU 4, DW 0.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 13, 2015, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 13, 2015, 03:28:38 PM
A few of you seem very confident that MSU is going to derail Daniel Webster's 16 game winning streak. Just so you know, DW packed their bags for 2 nights.
What are they wearing the 2nd day? Bathing suits?
MSU 4, DW 0.
Haha...."definitely a lack of respect....an opportunity to show everyone what we're all about."
http://athletics.dwc.edu/sports/msoc/2015-16/releases/20151111ik03qu
MSU....FIVE asst coaches? Really? MSU is one of these teams that beats you in warm-ups when you look across the field and see the fancy uniforms and guys doing ball tricks and drilling lasers top corner in a shooting drill. DWC just needs to come out and punch 'em in the mouth. Nashua, NH is like a "poor man's New Jersey."
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 13, 2015, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 13, 2015, 03:28:38 PM
A few of you seem very confident that MSU is going to derail Daniel Webster's 16 game winning streak. Just so you know, DW packed their bags for 2 nights.
What are they wearing the 2nd day? Bathing suits?
MSU 4, DW 0.
HAHA!! After these comments I might have to go watch this game. An hour drive doesn't sound bad.
Can one of those assistants do their stream this wknd?
MSOE keeper makes a poor error and Ohio-Wes goes up 1-0.
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 13, 2015, 05:08:09 PM
MSOE keeper makes a poor error and Ohio-Wes goes up 1-0.
2-0 now.
OWU 3 MSOE 1. OWU moves on to the second round.
OWU took the lead when the GK misjudged a short-hop cross (think baseball) in the first five. MSOE started strongly and man the Andryk brothers are quick, but OWU settled in. Second goal on a through ball and a great, great finish off the inside of the back post. MSOE's defenders are struggling with the speed of OWU's forwards - maybe having Lee in the back is a blessing here (?) - and OWU is crowding the Andryk brothers with 2-3 defenders any time one of them touch the ball.
Referee is calling the game touch-tight, so we've somehow seen 14 fouls even though it hasn't been overly physical. I'm guessing the game has more goals in it, and the third one will be crucial. If MSOE gets it, game on. If OWU gets it, game over.
Now 2-1, Braden Andryk scores for MSOE against the run of play. OWU had started the second half extremely well, but MSOE dragged a CB out of position and left Andryk 1v1. Took the ball toward the left side and a clinical finish to the back post. Here we go...
Game is on a knife's edge right now. The Andryk brothers are better than advertised, and any time they get someone 1v1 it's causing problems. On the other hand, MSOE is starting to commit too many men forward, and if you leave Baum and Schaefer 2v2 at some point they're going to burn you.
3-1 OWU, dagger. OWU's freshman CM has been great all game, cleans up a loose ball and plays a fantastic through ball for a breakaway goal.
Final thoughts: overall, pretty good performance from OWU. First half was professional, and weathered a storm from MSOE in the second half before closing up shop down the stretch. MSOE didn't even get a look at goal in the last 15 minutes of play. Tough one for MSOE, as the game was pretty even overall, but OWU had just a bit more quality in the back to control the Andryk brothers, whereas MSOE's defenders couldn't cope with OWU's attacking players.
OWU now gets a 3-year starter at CB back from suspension for tomorrow, which should help when they square off against (I assume) Calvin.
Well that should take the game off the knife's edge. Great pass and awareness to set up OWU's third goal.
WOW. Wheaton and Lake Forest now knotted at 2 after only 17 seconds in the second half. Lake Forest just drew even on a bomb from at least 30 yards out. That was the player's first goal of the season - he'd only taken five all year - and has to be the best of his career.
Quote from: Ryan Harmanis on November 13, 2015, 05:37:56 PM
OWU 3 MSOE 1. OWU moves on to the second round.
OWU took the lead when the GK misjudged a short-hop cross (think baseball) in the first five. MSOE started strongly and man the Andryk brothers are quick, but OWU settled in. Second goal on a through ball and a great, great finish off the inside of the back post. MSOE's defenders are struggling with the speed of OWU's forwards - maybe having Lee in the back is a blessing here (?) - and OWU is crowding the Andryk brothers with 2-3 defenders any time one of them touch the ball.
Referee is calling the game touch-tight, so we've somehow seen 14 fouls even though it hasn't been overly physical. I'm guessing the game has more goals in it, and the third one will be crucial. If MSOE gets it, game on. If OWU gets it, game over.
Now 2-1, Braden Andryk scores for MSOE against the run of play. OWU had started the second half extremely well, but MSOE dragged a CB out of position and left Andryk 1v1. Took the ball toward the left side and a clinical finish to the back post. Here we go...
Game is on a knife's edge right now. The Andryk brothers are better than advertised, and any time they get someone 1v1 it's causing problems. On the other hand, MSOE is starting to commit too many men forward, and if you leave Baum and Schaefer 2v2 at some point they're going to burn you.
3-1 OWU, dagger. OWU's freshman CM has been great all game, cleans up a loose ball and plays a fantastic through ball for a breakaway goal.
Final thoughts: overall, pretty good performance from OWU. First half was professional, and weathered a storm from MSOE in the second half before closing up shop down the stretch. MSOE didn't even get a look at goal in the last 15 minutes of play. Tough one for MSOE, as the game was pretty even overall, but OWU had just a bit more quality in the back to control the Andryk brothers, whereas MSOE's defenders couldn't cope with OWU's attacking players.
OWU now gets a 3-year starter at CB back from suspension for tomorrow, which should] help when they square off against (I assume) Calvin.
#8 was man of the match - solid from the beginning. Very impressive for a freshman!
As a not-so-neutral neutral, thought MSOE would have had a real chance with just a couple more players. For the most part the brothers just could not get on the ball enough to generate more chances as OWU did a great job smothering them. The older brother dropped deeper into the midfield and for some reason was even taking free kicks from his own end which I'm sure was fine with OWU. The older one also looked exhausted the last 15-18 minutes. He created one great chance that would have tied it up, driving to the touchline and putting in a cross that was drilled point-blank from probably the six (or closer) and Farynowski made a fantastic save. Looked like a sure goal. 2-2 would have allowed MSOE not to be so exposed the last 15 minutes. That was last real chance MSOE had. Will be interesting to see what Martin does with his other CB coming back, as Barnes and Lee together look like a formidable duo and they seem to have several players who can be just as effective together offensively as when they have Lee up top (and who of course they can still bring forward on set pieces). Bottom line is that OWU just had too much overall quality for the visitors from Milwaukee and of course going on the road and spotting a heavyweight a goal in the first 2-3 minutes with a GK gift sure doesn't help when you're going for the upset.
Macalester and CSS in a tight one. Looks like 1 goal will decide it (or PKs).
I just cannot figure Wheaton out. Every time I watch them I think they should never lose a game. So talented, so fast, so HUGE, so much (apparent) team love/chemistry, etc, etc and yet they are 2-2 with Lake Forest (not Wake Forest...Lake Forest).
BTW, the Wheaton video (HD quality and camera angle/proximity to field) is exceptional.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 13, 2015, 07:37:41 PM
Macalester and CSS in a tight one. Looks like 1 goal will decide it (or PKs).
I just cannot figure Wheaton out. Every time I watch them I think they should never lose a game. So talented, so fast, so HUGE, so much (apparent) team love/chemistry, etc, etc and yet they are 2-2 with Lake Forest (not Wake Forest...Lake Forest).
Not only that, Lake Forest could easily be up a goal or two. They've missed a sitter inside the six and two breakaways.
Wheaton's biggest issue for years, IMO, has been that they sometimes play and attack with such reckless abandon that they don't manage a game. Tonight's a great example. They dominate but lose focus at the wrong time and suddenly the other team gets a chance or two.
Quote from: Ryan Harmanis on November 13, 2015, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 13, 2015, 07:37:41 PM
Macalester and CSS in a tight one. Looks like 1 goal will decide it (or PKs).
I just cannot figure Wheaton out. Every time I watch them I think they should never lose a game. So talented, so fast, so HUGE, so much (apparent) team love/chemistry, etc, etc and yet they are 2-2 with Lake Forest (not Wake Forest...Lake Forest).
Not only that, Lake Forest could easily be up a goal or two. They've missed a sitter inside the six and two breakaways.
Wheaton's biggest issue for years, IMO, has been that they sometimes play and attack with such reckless abandon that they don't manage a game. Tonight's a great example. They dominate but lose focus at the wrong time and suddenly the other team gets a chance or two.
That's interesting. I've commented before that Wheaton always looks too frenetic, and for no good reason, but then I wondered if it was just the good video making the game looking much faster than other video. And the turf field with the very tight sidelines/corner areas and weird looking goals gives an impression of an indoor-type game. I've heard that the surface is very fast even for a turf field as well.
Good night St Scholastica. Thanks for ruining my perfect bracket.
Calvin playing direct ball as usual, but looking skilled enough to make it work deep into the tourney. Big props to the announcer (perhaps from OWU) who is the first commentator I have heard online that knows the game. Good job.
Quote from: Centennial1 on November 13, 2015, 08:43:52 PM
Calvin playing direct ball as usual, but looking skilled enough to make it work deep into the tourney. Big props to the announcer (perhaps from OWU) who is the first commentator I have heard online that knows the game. Good job.
Set pieces - monster back line. All their attack starts with their backs - many times bypassing their midfield. #26 does get on the ball some, but their back 4 are something. Mt Aloysius is a glorified HS team - most lack essential trapping and passing skills - YET it is 1-0 at half.
Per tomorrow's match up with OWU: if OWU keeps the ball on the ground and gets their forwards facing forward - if may be interesting. Calvin has many complementary players in the top two lines - I think OWU has the advantage there. Calvin's back 4 are fun to watch.
Quote from: Centennial1 on November 13, 2015, 08:43:52 PM
Calvin playing direct ball as usual, but looking skilled enough to make it work deep into the tourney. Big props to the announcer (perhaps from OWU) who is the first commentator I have heard online that knows the game. Good job.
I believe the announcer is actually a freshman at OWU, and yes he does a pretty good job.
Assuming Calvin holds on, tomorrow will be interesting and should be a good, open game. I wouldn't put much stock in Calvin's performance today either way, considering Mt. Aloysius lost 5-2 to the eighth place team in the NCAC. The only thing to take from it, truthfully, is that because the score has remained close for much of the game Calvin can't just yank the whole lineup to get extra rest.
Some history between Calvin and OWU, including last year's second-round PK win by OWU and the 2011 title game won 2-1 by OWU. Going farther back, 10 years ago Calvin upset a 20-0-0 OWU squad in the second round.
Calvin putting themselves at risk leaving Mt A in this game. Mt A GK has made some good saves but Calvin needs to put another one away. Calvin GK seems to think he is Pele and I can see him giving up a careless goal to OWU.
UW-W and RHIT looks like pretty even match-up.
Horrendous finishing from Calvin. OWU would be up 5-0, 6-0 right now.
RH is right. Calvin expending a tremendous amount of energy. Certainly a good team but don't look like the #1 team in the country.
Quote from: Ryan Harmanis on November 13, 2015, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 13, 2015, 07:37:41 PM
Macalester and CSS in a tight one. Looks like 1 goal will decide it (or PKs).
I just cannot figure Wheaton out. Every time I watch them I think they should never lose a game. So talented, so fast, so HUGE, so much (apparent) team love/chemistry, etc, etc and yet they are 2-2 with Lake Forest (not Wake Forest...Lake Forest).
Not only that, Lake Forest could easily be up a goal or two. They've missed a sitter inside the six and two breakaways.
Wheaton's biggest issue for years, IMO, has been that they sometimes play and attack with such reckless abandon that they don't manage a game. Tonight's a great example. They dominate but lose focus at the wrong time and suddenly the other team gets a chance or two.
I think you are both right. Wheaton arguably has the best D3 soccer talent in the country (with Hollingsworth still getting my vote for NPOY). And their team chemistry rivals some of the greats. But they do play and push forward with a frantic pace and as a result do seem to lose focus at critical junctures in games. That's something their coach will have to get a handle on if they are to make another deep run again this year as many, myself included, thought they would.
How about St Olaf? After the embarrassment of that hype video last year and blowing the season at the end, they have a pretty mediocre regular season but win the MIAC tourney and now up 2-0 on Oshkosh.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 12, 2015, 12:57:24 PM
Its not a big deal and it is better for fans as we can see more games because of the Friday games.
What was a problem was when Dave Brandt was taking advantage of the rule and scouting opponents on the Sunday after his pod was done. 10 years ago there was limited video so it was a massive advantage and complete manipulation of the rule. Finally, it caught up to him and I believe the NCAA told Messiah in 2008 no more and they started playing Saturday / Sunday. Not sure why the others are still allowed to though.
The notion that the NCAA forced Messiah to play on Sundays is absolutely not true.
This UW-W vs Rose-Hulman is a really, really good game. Rose-Hulman much better than I realized.
White Water advances on PK's
Wow! Sage takes 1-0 lead on St. Lawrence. Was multi-tasking and didn't get back to the video in time to see it, but seems it was a long-range effort over the keeper. Too bad there's no replay.
J&W holding their own with Lycoming from what I can tell.
SLU GK massive error. They will come back and beat Sage but they are not going far with that GK.
Bridgewater State goes 1-0 up on MIT against the run of play. Great cross from the right, Murtagh with a fantastic header into the bottom left.
MIT ties it 1-1, Bingham with his 20th goal of the year. 20 goals, 10 (now 11) assists, those are some impressive numbers.
Update: MIT now up 2-1, Freel from Bingham. MIT just did to Bridgewater what Babson did to them, scoring around 90 seconds apart.
CUNYAC living up to its year to year reputation as the absolute easiest W a team will have in the NCAA's if not all year. Oneonta up 5-0 at Half.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 13, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Gol2Gol on November 13, 2015, 02:37:40 PM
NJAC Predictions:
MSU: They reach the final 4 and possibly win it all. They have weapons all over the field and can get goals from everywhere. Wide guys are super dangerous and central mids can hurt you also. Teams are going to have a hard time stopping all the fire power. Hosting is always a positive but all of their blemishes have been at home interesting enough. If they get past Tufts which i think could be a difficult game, they are on their way to final 4. Only way i see them losing is if a teams sits in and defends all game and survives it by countering or PK's. Don't see many teams being able to go head-to-head with them.
Rowan: Similar to MSU with a lot of attacking talent but a notch below. They are a bit reckless creating a lot of fouls and yellow cards which could hurt if they play a team dangerous on set pieces. Youth and inexperience may catch up to them but They advance from this weekend and end their run in the sweet 16.
Camden: Not to offend LGOTB but Camden is probably the weakest soccer playing team if you look at top 7 in NJAC. They were outplayed badly in 2 of 3 NJAC playoff games but credit to them for advancing. They park the bus from the beginning and hope to score 1st goal. if they score 1st, they park 2 buses. Team is built on defense, set pieces and Ryan up front. Stop that and not much else to worry about. Teams in NCAA should be good enough to lock down one player and deal with long throws. They may get by Eastern but it ends at Oneonta.
I don't think Rowan gets by Dickinson in the first round...
I think it is a close call for Rowan all weekend but comparing schedules and results I am giving edge to rowan. That team has a lot of energy and enthusiasm right now under second year coach who has young team. Even though messiah was a bit down, to beat them 4-2 at messiah was impressive. I think they rise to occasion.
Thank goodness - SLU gets a goal back after constant pressure. 1-1.
Goal from a corner kick - first header saved and Short with the rebound.
Geez, Oneonta is crushing CCNY 6-0 already, they are passing circles around them.
SLU seemed to be sleeping the 1st half and still have their hands full.
Biggest surprise so far is the Kenyon match, very ugly soccer from both sides. I haven't seen either team string 2 passes together and the ball is just constantly being booted and headed everywhere.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 14, 2015, 12:37:44 PM
Geez, Oneonta is crushing CCNY 6-0 already, they are passing circles around them.
SLU seemed to be sleeping the 1st half and still have their hands full.
Biggest surprise so far is the Kenyon match, very ugly soccer from both sides. I haven't seen either team string 2 passes together and the ball is just constantly being booted and headed everywhere.
Kenyon is dominating. They keep trying to play through the crowded middle. Uhde should have scored off a cross.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 14, 2015, 12:37:44 PM
Geez, Oneonta is crushing CCNY 6-0 already, they are passing circles around them.
SLU seemed to be sleeping the 1st half and still have their hands full.
Biggest surprise so far is the Kenyon match, very ugly soccer from both sides. I haven't seen either team string 2 passes together and the ball is just constantly being booted and headed everywhere.
And Kenyon sends the big CB up front and Myers scores with a fantastic header from 15 yards.
SLU with a penalty kick conversion to go up 2-1.
Well, MIT comes back from 1-0 down to win 5-1 against Bridgewater. Impressive response from the Engineers, and they'll take that confidence into the winner of Bowdoin/Plattsburgh St. tomorrow.
MIT with the best result so far 5-1 over Bridgewater.
Lycoming, kenyon, and SLU all sneak by inferior opponents by one goal.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 14, 2015, 01:01:09 PM
Well, MIT comes back from 1-0 down to win 5-1 against Bridgewater. Impressive response from the Engineers, and they'll take that confidence into the winner of Bowdoin/Plattsburgh St. tomorrow.
Good comeback!!!
No video for Trinity??
And no live stats? Strange.
Found a link via Tex-Dallas website....Trinity up 3-0.
Chicago 1-0 up on Thomas More after 2 minutes.
Quote from: Letthekidsplay59 on November 14, 2015, 01:37:02 PM
Chicago 1-0 up on Thomas More after 2 minutes.
Make it 2-0 Chicago. Five minutes in.
:o am I missing something.. Can't seem to find a Rutgers-Camden stream....???
Page doesn't show any video
....ahh there it is (more coffee please)
Thomas More down to ten men against Chicago and still down2-0. Thomas More has been dominated. Expected Chicago to win but thought TM would be much better.
Quote from: Letthekidsplay59 on November 14, 2015, 02:13:59 PM
Thomas More down to ten men against Chicago and still down2-0. Thomas More has been dominated. Expected Chicago to win but thought TM would be much better.
Not just a red card, but TMC's All-American and best player. TMC always seems to play on a edge with a very chippy style. Ref missed a blatant hand ball by Chicago and Juniet must have used the wrong language in his dissent because didn't look like he did anything that merited a red.
I would say TMC has no chance to get back in this game without Juniet but if they somehow manage to pull one back this will still be a dogfight.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2015, 02:20:14 PM
Quote from: Letthekidsplay59 on November 14, 2015, 02:13:59 PM
Thomas More down to ten men against Chicago and still down2-0. Thomas More has been dominated. Expected Chicago to win but thought TM would be much better.
Not just a red card, but TMC's All-American and best player. TMC always seems to play on a edge with a very chippy style. Ref missed a blatant hand ball by Chicago and Juniet must have used the wrong language in his dissent because didn't look like he did anything that merited a red.
Happened 15 yards in front of us - choice words were in Spanish too! Per the handling - if it's the one by the center mid-back -more ball to hand. If I were TM I'd go after #10 - he's on the edge.
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 14, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2015, 02:20:14 PM
Quote from: Letthekidsplay59 on November 14, 2015, 02:13:59 PM
Thomas More down to ten men against Chicago and still down2-0. Thomas More has been dominated. Expected Chicago to win but thought TM would be much better.
Not just a red card, but TMC's All-American and best player. TMC always seems to play on a edge with a very chippy style. Ref missed a blatant hand ball by Chicago and Juniet must have used the wrong language in his dissent because didn't look like he did anything that merited a red.
Happened 15 yards in front of us - choice words were in Spanish too! Per the handling - if it's the one by the center mid-back -more ball to hand. If I were TM I'd go after #10 - he's on the edge.
So did you think the red was right call? Announcer saying ref has missed several calls.
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 14, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2015, 02:20:14 PM
Quote from: Letthekidsplay59 on November 14, 2015, 02:13:59 PM
Thomas More down to ten men against Chicago and still down2-0. Thomas More has been dominated. Expected Chicago to win but thought TM would be much better.
Not just a red card, but TMC's All-American and best player. TMC always seems to play on a edge with a very chippy style. Ref missed a blatant hand ball by Chicago and Juniet must have used the wrong language in his dissent because didn't look like he did anything that merited a red.
Happened 15 yards in front of us - choice words were in Spanish too! Per the handling - if it's the one by the center mid-back -more ball to hand. If I were TM I'd go after #10 - he's on the edge.
Red card because of bad language? I'm sorry, but that's an absolute joke, and should be a yellow at most. These are adults playing and letting some curse words dictate the outcome of a match is absurd.
Chicago up 3-0 now.
Rutgers Camdem and Eastern tied at 1-1. Eastern playing with 10 men. Defender saved a ball off the line with his harm/hand. A well deserved red. Then a poor PK(goalkeeper save) by Rutgers-Camden keeps it at 1-1. No bus today. Rutgers-Camden with the majority of possession.
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 14, 2015, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 14, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2015, 02:20:14 PM
Quote from: Letthekidsplay59 on November 14, 2015, 02:13:59 PM
Thomas More down to ten men against Chicago and still down2-0. Thomas More has been dominated. Expected Chicago to win but thought TM would be much better.
Not just a red card, but TMC's All-American and best player. TMC always seems to play on a edge with a very chippy style. Ref missed a blatant hand ball by Chicago and Juniet must have used the wrong language in his dissent because didn't look like he did anything that merited a red.
Happened 15 yards in front of us - choice words were in Spanish too! Per the handling - if it's the one by the center mid-back -more ball to hand. If I were TM I'd go after #10 - he's on the edge.
Red card because of bad language? I'm sorry, but that's an absolute joke, and should be a yellow at most. These are adults playing and letting some curse words dictate the outcome of a match is absurd.
To be quite honest, to say that that call dictated the outcome of the match is completely absurd. Chicago was up 2-0 and were completely dominating the game. There was no chance that TMC was coming back into that game. UAA teams are just a class above teams that come from weak conferences like TMC does.
Camden coming in wave after wave and cannot finish..Eastern working on about 10 lives to be still hanging on. If Camden does not finish this off they will be kicking themselves. However, from what I have seen the Eastern GK looks suspect so they might get it done in PK's.
Oneonta rooting hard for Eastern as they look absolutely GASSED. They will have nothing left tomorrow
Whitworth blows a 2 goal lead in 2nd half. 2-2 with Redlands. Back and forth action.
Brave effort from Eastern. RUC also is going to be tired if they prevail.
Quote from: pelinho5 on November 14, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
To be quite honest, to say that that call dictated the outcome of the match is completely absurd. Chicago was up 2-0 and were completely dominating the game. There was no chance that TMC was coming back into that game. UAA teams are just a class above teams that come from weak conferences like TMC does.
Certainly did not dictate the 2-0 lead, but to say Chicago was completely dominating is a little harsh. Not what I saw. TMC beat a UAA team btw. And whatever chance TMC had of coming back was lost when you lose your best player. That said, Juniet has got to do better in that situation controlling himself even if the ref overreached.
R-C wins 2-1 in OT2. It was just a matter of time.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2015, 04:02:37 PM
Whitworth blows a 2 goal lead in 2nd half. 2-2 with Redlands. Back and forth action.
Brave effort from Eastern. RUC also is going to be tired if they prevail.
I think Camden will be fine. They looked content with just possessing the ball... There was no real sense of urgency.
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Whitworth blows a 2 goal lead in 2nd half. 2-2 with Redlands. Back and forth action.
Brave effort from Eastern. RUC also is going to be tired if they prevail.
I think Camden will be fine. They looked content with just possessing the ball... There was no real sense of urgency.
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 14, 2015, 04:12:06 PM
R-C wins 2-1 in OT2. It was just a matter of time.
You are correct RUC did not have much urgency which is a bit concerning but eh. Even when they won it they did not seem to care to much. That will all need to change in 24 hours
I would say so.
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Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2015, 04:02:37 PM
Whitworth blows a 2 goal lead in 2nd half. 2-2 with Redlands. Back and forth action.
Brave effort from Eastern. RUC also is going to be tired if they prevail.
I think Camden will be fine. They looked content with just possessing the ball... There was no real sense of urgency.
Maybe. They certainly expended much more energy than Oneonta and that cold weather can take a toll. Should be a great game. I assume very similar to the last Montclair/RUC game.
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Whitworth blows a 2 goal lead in 2nd half. 2-2 with Redlands. Back and forth action.
Brave effort from Eastern. RUC also is going to be tired if they prevail.
I think Camden will be fine. They looked content with just possessing the ball... There was no real sense of urgency.
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 14, 2015, 04:12:06 PM
R-C wins 2-1 in OT2. It was just a matter of time.
You are correct RUC did not have much urgency which is a bit concerning but eh. Even when they won it they did not seem to care to much. That will all need to change in 24 hours
I would say so.
the celebration was there. I'll open it up to lack of celebration vs. a class act taught by Coach Oz? A lot of guys have been here before. Should be a good game tomorrow vs SUNY.
So UMass-Boston's best player was one of the players suspended. That's too bad. UMass also picked up a red in 81st minute.
OT looks likely out at Trinity.
Disappointing end of season for TMC. Entered tourney on a bad note, snuck into the draw, go down 2 goals in first 6 minutes, lose best player midway thru first half. Will still be good next year with a strong junior class returning but Juniet and Best leaving will hurt.
Probably a plus for Kenyon. Chicago may beat the Lords but I think Kenyon will be more comfortable playing the Maroons as opposed to an unpredictable and sometimes volatile TMC who took them to PKs in the same field last year.
My bracket looks horrible. The one year I go for a bunch of this "mid-major" equivalents are really biting me...
CSS, TMC, MSOE, etc...
My bracket has disintegrated. Whitworth loses in OT on an own goal.
All brackets are alive with the weighted, even system. If Kenyon beats SLU in the final, you'll win...
Here's to hoping Rutgers-Camden beats Oneonta St.... Haverford, SLU, Rutgers-Camden, Bowdoin most likely at Haverford (small chance it would be at SLU, but with Haverford bye I'd think they would host all the way through).
Last time Camden played a NESCAC school it was Wesleyan in 2011...
OWU already up on Calvin, 10 min in...
Almost 2-0 with a rip of the bar from 25 out for OWU...
OWU pressing here and could easily be 3-0... Gut check for Calvin.
Looks like Martin has finally found his line-up. The CB who is back from red card suspension isn't even on the field. Baum is killing Calvin. We'll see what Calvin is made of. Probably first time behind all season. Calvin plays some nice soccer but right now OWU looks like they have 13 men on the field.
Thomas scores a goal against the run of play and leads Brandeis 1-0 about 15 min in. They are sitting very compact but the kid Clemons received a beautifully placed ball and finished nicely.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2015, 04:42:45 PM
My bracket has disintegrated. Whitworth loses in OT on an own goal.
That was rough.
But they were lucky to get to OT as Redlands missed two one-on-ones with the GK.
Yeah. Judges passing around well but not once they are in and around the box.
Calvin has pretty good team speed but at least so far just not physical enough for OWU....losing a lot of 50/50s.
And F&M breaks through.
Babson down 2.
Brandeis absolutely dominating play. 1-1. This game could get ugly fast as that goal by Thomas really woke Brandeis up
Interesting that the Brandeis goal comes from a long ball served into the box instead of from the short game they seem to prefer.
You get the sense that the gate might have just opened.
Calvin registers their first shot 30 min in to the game off a weak header from a corner...
Calvin has settled down and is fully in charge now.
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Calvin has settled down and is fully in charge now.
Fully in charge? Sarcasm? That little left back (usually right back) for OWU is eating up one of Calvin's stars on the flank. All his bio said last year is that he "lettered" in high school soccer. Calvin has settled down but they play so open they are very vulnerable to OWU hitting them again.
Thomas with an ugly red card from their goal scorer Willie Clemons (kicking a player after the play). Game is starting to get scrappy and Brandeis appears to be dominating (despite the score).
Straight red to a Thomas player. I missed it. Almost a fight breaks out. Thomas down to 10. This game getting nasty fast. Thomas not working very hard and amazingly it is still 1-1. Both teams getting chippy
A lock for Brandeis now. Red card against a key Thomas player. Anyone see what the foul was?
Was that red card on Clemons deserved?
Got the info a couple of posts back. Slow typist. :P
Calvin will need to get more numbers forward and be more creative in the final third if they want to score here...
Quote from: Jump4Joy on November 14, 2015, 05:42:07 PM
A lock for Brandeis now. Red card against a key Thomas player. Anyone see what the foul was?
A red on one of their best players should really serve Thomas well.
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 14, 2015, 05:42:25 PM
Was that red card on Clemons deserved?
Yes, he kicked a brandeis player after the ball was well off his foot. Thomas coach went bezerk at his own player screaming at the top of his lungs at how selfish he was for that; so I would say it was deserved haha
Brandeis CM just sliced up 4 guys and then missed a 1 v. 1 with the keeper.
Calvin with the better possession but did not come close to scoring. OWU more dangerous every time they do get the ball. The physical size of OWU's new CB combo is formidable, and that outside back is having the game of his life.
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 14, 2015, 05:53:29 PM
Brandeis CM just sliced up 4 guys and then missed a 1 v. 1 with the keeper.
Thomas GK playing very well. It could / should be 4-1.
1-1 Halftime.
Yeah. Thomas keeper standing on his head.
Judges should spend less time diving in and around the box and more time shooting.
With the way they're possessing, and with having a man advantage, why the need to dive?
Thomas working much harder 2nd Half. So far they are doing ok. Better than Eastern w/10
Thomas is holding their own. For being down a man they look pretty compact.
Calvin's best chance in the 63rd off the post. OWU doing a great job of containing here. Calvin has only had 5 chances (2 were off restarts)
And Calvin ties it. Had great chance earlier.
Calvin equalizes! 20 to go...
2-1 Calvin...all of the sudden Calvin had intense, sustained pressure.... Now this is a GREAT game. Plenty of time.
And Daniel Webster knots up Montclair St. 2-2 with under 20 to go. Wow! It's one thing for a sever underdog to hang with the favorite and keep the game scoreless, but to come from behind 2-0 to be tied 2-2, that's impressive.
DW 2, MSU 2!
Wow! F&M score twice in 42 seconds to go up 5-1 on Babson.
brandeis scores in the last minute to win.... A player on thomas punched the reff in the face and got a red card. WOW
Brandeis goes up 2-1 with 45 seconds left in a tense game with Thomas. Ironically, Thomas GK who played so well misjudged the ball badly.
punched a ref?!?!? in the face?!?! crazy. stupid. unbelievable.
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 14, 2015, 06:53:39 PM
brandeis scores in the last minute to win.... A player on thomas punched the reff in the face and got a red card. WOW
I dont think he got the ref in the face but it was close....Thomas is as undisciplined as they come but they battled hard 2nd Half
Thought it was a great shot. (The goal, I mean.)
Gotta say, looked like Brandeis was trying to find ways to keep from winning in regulation.
Thomas could not keep the ball to save their lives, which, in the end, cost them their lives.
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brandeis scores in the last minute to win.... A player on thomas punched the reff in the face and got a red card. WOW
I dont think he got the ref in the face but it was close....Thomas is as undisciplined as they come but they battled hard 2nd Half
He most definitely made contact with him and the ref stumbled back and looked genuinely scared. Afterwards you could hear Coven saying "he punched/pushed the ref right in the face". Yikes.
It is very hard to keep the ball with 10 men. For their talent level I thought Thomas played Brandeis well because the way Brandeis played 1st Half that game should have been over at halftime.
Gutsy, courageous win for Calvin. Never thought they would win that game. They played phenomenally last 25 minutes. 21-0-1. Kids on both teams played their hearts out. Unbelievable game.
42nd game without a loss, now ties Messiah's streak for 5th best all-time...
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 10, 2015, 09:30:29 PM
Gut feeling and the fact that they beat Oneonta St was huge... Respectable win percentage, RvR, and magic number SOS. Brockport slightly better win % and SOS, but two losses to Oneonta St did them in. They make the Conf final and RPI finishes 7th. Stings the nostrils, but RPI did enough out of conference early to boost their chances.
I am certain Camden will prep for Eastern without looking ahead. The staff will get to watch Oneonta St at 11. Of course Eastern will come prepared as well. I'm expecting a tight 1 goal game... 1-0, 2-1 range. Eastern has leveled off and Camden is starting to play better... Should be a good one.
Common opponent results:
RUC EU
Salisbury 0-1. 1-0
Swat. 0-1. 1-0
Manhattanville 3-2. 2-1
Miseri. 7-1. 2-0
Rosemont. 9-0. 2-0
Midfield battle with Oneonta St and Rutgers-Camden... This one will get to OT
Wheaton with a relatively untroubled win over whitewater, 1-0. Looked in control and could have won by more.
Salisbury goes 1-0 up on Tufts early on a rebound. Tufts caught with too many men forward. Jumbos look better of the two sides, but Salisbury has had some good spells as well. Still plenty of the game left.
Black kid up top for Salisbury causing Tufts CB's problems with his speed.
1-1 Salisbury ole'd Tufts Danny Sullivan a header. Nice ball by Patel off a corner.
RPI takes the lead against Stevens. Looks like they're on a mission to prove the doubters wrong.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 14, 2015, 07:02:41 PM
42nd game without a loss, now ties Messiah's streak for 5th best all-time...
Do we have a top 10 list anywhere?
This RPI v Stevens match getting chippy..Not sure what game this ref is watching but he is missing every other call and losing complete control
Consecutive Games without a Loss
66 Wheaton (IL) (Sept. 1, 1996 to Nov. 14, 1998)
60 St. Lawrence (Nov. 19, 1997 to Nov. 12, 2000)
46 Messiah (Nov. 13, 2004 to Oct. 28, 2006)
43 Trinity (TX) (Aug. 29, 2003 to Nov. 19, 2004)
42 Calvin (Sept. 6, 2014 to present)
42 Messiah (Sept. 4, 2010 to Nov. 5, 2011)
40 Amherst (Sept. 8, 2012 to Nov. 23, 2013)
39 Wheaton (IL) (1984 to 1985)
37 Rutgers-Camden (Oct. 1, 2012 to Dec. 6, 2013)
34 Macalester (Oct. 9, 1996 to Sept. 27, 1998)
31 UC San Diego (Sept. 7, 1988 to Sept. 22, 1989)
31 Messiah (Sept. 27, 2000 to Oct. 20, 2001)
Looks like Stevens has had a goal waved off for the second time tonight, this time from a header. Not sure what the ref was doing there but it looked clean and onsides to me? ::)
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Consecutive Games without a Loss
66 Wheaton (IL) (Sept. 1, 1996 to Nov. 14, 1998)
60 St. Lawrence (Nov. 19, 1997 to Nov. 12, 2000)
46 Messiah (Nov. 13, 2004 to Oct. 28, 2006)
43 Trinity (TX) (Aug. 29, 2003 to Nov. 19, 2004)
42 Calvin (Sept. 6, 2014 to present)
42 Messiah (Sept. 4, 2010 to Nov. 5, 2011)
40 Amherst (Sept. 8, 2012 to Nov. 23, 2013)
39 Wheaton (IL) (1984 to 1985)
37 Rutgers-Camden (Oct. 1, 2012 to Dec. 6, 2013)
34 Macalester (Oct. 9, 1996 to Sept. 27, 1998)
31 UC San Diego (Sept. 7, 1988 to Sept. 22, 1989)
31 Messiah (Sept. 27, 2000 to Oct. 20, 2001)
Have to give a shout out to our fellow contributor Saint of Old, he played quite a prolific role in that SLU unbeaten streak!
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 14, 2015, 09:08:28 PM
This RPI v Stevens match getting chippy..Not sure what game this ref is watching but he is missing every other call and losing complete control
Agreed. Not sure what was wrong with either of those called-back Stevens goals. I also don't recall Coach Clinton yelling non-stop like tonight. That would be tough to play for . . .
Connor Brown puts Tufts up 2-1
Clinton is a notorious screamer.
Stevens gets its equalizer with 1:25 in regulation. Chip over the RPI keeper. Stevens has looked the better side especially going forward, although RPI looked like it was going to get away with a 1-0 for a while. Shouts for offsides, but Stevens had a goal waved off in dubious circumstances, so perhaps it was equal. Headed to OT.
Looks like Stevens deserved to pull even.
89' goal for Stevens and they win 3-1, errrgh, it's headed to OT.
Tufts seems to be in control, even though it's still only 2-1.
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 14, 2015, 09:35:36 PM
Tufts seems to be in control, even though it's still only 2-1.
Yep, Salisbury doesn't look like they would score another goal if they played for two more days straight.
RPI coach should get tossed.
Stevens ties it up 1-1 with about a minute to go. They have superior athleticism to RPI and deserved to tie it up. RPI works very hard but just do not have that talented striker or creative midfielder to be considered a real threat.
RPI coach should get tossed.
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He sure is trying!
Elsewhere, Gordon ties it up against Carnegie Mellon 1-1 with 5 to go in regulation. Caleb Cole on a rebound.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 14, 2015, 09:38:33 PM
Elsewhere, Gordon ties it up against Carnegie Mellon 1-1. Caleb Cole on a rebound.
Wow. What a day!
To be fair to Clinton this ref crew has been AWFUL.
Have there been no PK's yet in this tournament? If so, that has to be a record
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 14, 2015, 09:46:09 PM
Have there been no PK's yet in this tournament? If so, that has to be a record
If so, not for long! RPI wins it on a PK in OT, 2-1
SLU's game winner was a PK with 7 minutes left.
UW-Whitewater and Rose-Hulman went to PK's yesterday.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 14, 2015, 09:48:57 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 14, 2015, 09:46:09 PM
Have there been no PK's yet in this tournament? If so, that has to be a record
Not for long! RPI wins it on a PK in OT, 2-1
Not sure how that ref keeps getting called in for NCAA games. He has a howler every time out!
God that ref needs to rest his head and grab a drink. I mean it was a PK BUT he blows the whistle and then needs to ask the AR?
Does Majumder return for tomorrow against MSU? Just a one-game ban?
Macalester about to go down. St Olaf scored late.
Gordon wins!
Well, Gordon gave my bracket a bump at least.
Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 14, 2015, 09:58:12 PM
Gordon wins!
Pretty strong showing for New England soccer so far . . .
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 14, 2015, 09:52:40 PM
Does Majumder return for tomorrow against MSU? Just a one-game ban?
Yes...Plus MSU did not see him in that game. they might figure he is injured.
Quote from: stlawus on November 14, 2015, 09:49:55 PM
SLU's game winner was a PK with 7 minutes left.
Really? I switched games when SLU equalized figuring the floodgates would open. Sage held on till the 83rd.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 14, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 14, 2015, 09:52:40 PM
Does Majumder return for tomorrow against MSU? Just a one-game ban?
Yes...Plus MSU did not see him in that game. they might figure he is injured.
I'm sure one of those five assistants is supposed to research that stuff....or just look here for their info.
Goodbye Tartans!
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2015, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 14, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 14, 2015, 09:52:40 PM
Does Majumder return for tomorrow against MSU? Just a one-game ban?
Yes...Plus MSU did not see him in that game. they might figure he is injured.
I'm sure one of those five assistants is supposed to research that stuff....or just look here for their info.
Is there any more authoritative and informative source than these boards?
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 14, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: stlawus on November 14, 2015, 09:49:55 PM
SLU's game winner was a PK with 7 minutes left.
Really? I switched games when SLU equalized figuring the floodgates would open. Sage held on till the 83rd.
Hand ball in the box off of a corner. Converted with ease. Had a few other chances to put it away but once Sage was force to open up SLU held on in possession for the remaining game.
In Singapore on business...bad timing for this trip as it's tough to follow the games! Seems like a great start to the tournament. Any thoughts? I haven't been able to see any games this weekend. Who has been the most impressive team so far?
Westminster just hits crossbar. Still 0-0 with DePauw midway thru 2nd half.
You'd have to say most impressive at least by scoreline and opponent were Chicago, F&M, Trinity, and maybe MIT. I'd vote Calvin-OWU as best/highest quality game. And course 3 teams haven't even played yet. Kudos to Daniel Webster for putting a scare into Montclair.
DePauw goes up 1-0 off a corner. 20 min left.
DePauw is last remaining Great Lakes Pool C. TMC, OWU, CMU gone.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 14, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
You'd have to say most impressive at least by scoreline and opponent were Chicago, F&M, Trinity, and maybe MIT. I'd vote Calvin-OWU as best/highest quality game. And course 3 teams haven't even played yet. Kudos to Daniel Webster for putting a scare into Montclair.
DePauw goes up 1-0 off a corner. 20 min left.
DePauw is last remaining Great Lakes Pool C. TMC, OWU, CMU gone.
I would agree the Calvin v UWO match as being the most entertaining. It was back and forth fast paced soccer. The other matches lacked the sense of urgency that the afore mentioned game provided.
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Thomas More down to ten men against Chicago and still down2-0. Thomas More has been dominated. Expected Chicago to win but thought TM would be much better.
Not just a red card, but TMC's All-American and best player. TMC always seems to play on a edge with a very chippy style. Ref missed a blatant hand ball by Chicago and Juniet must have used the wrong language in his dissent because didn't look like he did anything that merited a red.
Happened 15 yards in front of us - choice words were in Spanish too! Per the handling - if it's the one by the center mid-back -more ball to hand. If I were TM I'd go after #10 - he's on the edge.
Red card because of bad language? I'm sorry, but that's an absolute joke, and should be a yellow at most. These are adults playing and letting some curse words dictate the outcome of a match is absurd.
Just getting back home after the OWU game. Great response by Calvin after falling behind - they took it to OWU and the front lines showed what they are capable of - kudos.
Sitting with three other refs - that red card in the Chicago game was a roughy call. Maybe the fact that the opposing player was Hispanic played into the ref's decision - but we all agree that a yellow would have been the better choice. But AL is a send-off offense - players have to know the rules!!!
From my distant days as a referee it mattered to me if the player cursed, or if he cursed at me. A curse about a play or at the ball I didn't care about but, for example, calling the referee a "piece of sh!t" or saying "only an a $$hole makes that call" in any langauge I knew got you tossed.
Domino, any impressions of Chicago or Chicago and TMC other than red card issue?
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 15, 2015, 08:12:54 AM
Domino, any impressions of Chicago or Chicago and TMC other than red card issue?
They're a very balanced team - I think similar to Calvin where all players on the field are competent and support each other well. We'll be there at one - I hope it is as good a game as was Calvin last night.
My college teammate's son is on the coaching staff at Chicago - he checks these boards occasionally - hi Pat - but they do get their best forward back today (sat out yesterday due to yellow card accumulation).
Very impressed with Calvin's second half last night. Don't know if they played down on Friday but the front two lines really stepped up their game. Liked # 11 on the left wing and #26 had a very good game in the middle of the field.
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 15, 2015, 08:22:52 AM
Very impressed with Calvin's second half last night. Don't know if they played down on Friday but the front two lines really stepped up their game. Liked # 11 on the left wing and #26 had a very good game in the middle of the field.
Calvin had a ton of good chances in the Aloysius game. With 32 shots (16 on goal) they would have scored almost 6 goals at their season-average rate. I give a lot of credit to Aloysius' keeper.
#11, Mitch Stark, is the team's lead table-setter. He has 16 assists to go with his 8 goals on the season. #5 Nick Groenewold on the back line (6 goals, 3 assists) was the league MVP, though.
oeonta st vs Rutgers-Camden is at 1:00 not 2:00
the winner of this game is headed to KC, IMO
Gorgeous day at Kenyon - bright sunshine, 60 degrees, light breeze!
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2015, 11:50:39 AM
oeonta st vs Rutgers-Camden is at 1:00 not 2:00
the winner of this game is headed to KC, IMO
Predictions for this game!
R-C wins on PKS. If not my bracket is busted.
Thoughts on Calvin-OWU:
-OWU should have and easily could have buried Calvin in the first half. The goal, one off the crossbar (that I think the GK may have tipped), a breakaway that just went over, a sitter from 8 yards out, and a few other very good chances. At a minimum the game should have been 2-0 in the first 30, and with how poorly Calvin reacted in the first half to going just a goal down - before recovering for the second half - I think the game would have been over at 2-0.
-Calvin was lucky to survive the first half, but they'll be better off for it in the long run. Calvin was on the edge, both from a scoreline and a composure perspective. The one CB for Calvin, who looked like an extremely talented player, shoved several OWU players during/after plays, finally picked up a yellow for just kicking someone 5 yards away from the ball, and was both lucky to stay on the field and probably one foul away from seeing red. But then again, that's probably the first real adversity Calvin has seen all year, so to come back and survive it bodes well going forward for two reasons. First, they won't be shell-shocked the way they were yesterday - the 10 minutes after OWU scored it looked like the game might get out of hand. Second, they know they can come back and will trust their style of play and keep their composure better in the later rounds. Kudos to the coaching staff for getting Calvin back to its style of play at halftime.
-OWU was going to need a second goal to ice the game. They saw out the first half with basically no problems, and I thought they started the second half well and had some half-chances. But with about 30 to go, Calvin started turning the screws and it looked like whoever scored the next goal would win. Calvin with the territory and a barrage of set pieces, long throws, and 1v1s from the wings with crosses into the box. OWU trying to hit on the counter.
-Calvin wore OWU down with the set pieces and long throws. I cannot stand long throws, but they're part of the game and you have to defend them. OWU handled the actually throws fine, but Calvin did a really good job picking up every second ball when OWU would try to clear it. From the 60 minute mark until Calvin's goals, I don't know if Calvin let OWU out of its end with possession. When Calvin is effective they basically play through their wingers, have them go 1v1 and try to play cutbacks and crosses into the box for finishes. That's how they scored the first goal.
-Calvin's second way to attack is set pieces. Their team is huge, especially when they bring the backs up, and they won both games this weekend on corner kicks. They also have a long throw that can basically get to the penalty spot from the sideline on a rope.
-That was a late-round game in terms of quality. It's a shame to watch two teams with Top-10 talent have to battle it out so early, but Calvin's schedule was terrible and OWU failed to win several big games in the regular season, so that's the way it goes. But that was a very, very good game.
-Finally, as an OWU alum (and with a brother on the team), I feel for the guys. Losing two starters to season-ending injuries really hurt the depth and flexibility, but when they were on (like in the first half) they were capable of beating anyone in the country. There's frustration because OWU basically went even with two Top-5 teams down the stretch without getting a win, but on the other hand I'd prefer to see OWU go out against a good team that comes to play than against a team that can't match up and packs it in.
Congrats to Calvin as well, that was a really good comeback. The opening game of the season next year is a rematch, Calvin @ OWU, so looking forward to doing it again.
Camden already in trouble, down 1-0 vs Oneonta St
Bowdoin hit the post against MIT on a penalty from Keefe. Still 0-0. Looked like a bit of a harsh call so perhaps it was fair.
Does Rutgers-Camden really not have a single shot? Or is the scorekeeper for the on-line broadcasts and electronic scoreboard at the field just not recording shots for the away team?
Oneonta St has been very impressive... Expect Camden to go 4-1-3-2 midway through 2nd half if they can hold this potent attack from Red Dragons.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2015, 01:23:01 PM
Camden already in trouble, down 1-0 vs Oneonta St
A goal against the run of play on a set piece. The first 8 minutes in R-C's favor and give up a foul 20yds out that the keeper can't hold onto. The rest of the half I think went to SUNY. It could be 3-0 SUNY. Some poor defending in the box by R-C.
I don't think they do, FW. Yesterday OWU held Calvin to 2 shots in the first half.
I can see a scrappy goal coming for Camden off a throw in...
Chicago up 1-0 against Kenyon at the half.
Kenyon only 4 shots vs Chicago. I wish this wasn't on same time as Camden game...
Trinity and Redlands just underway, https://new.trinity.edu/live
In the SUNYAC semi final, Plattsburgh St was held to 1 shot. ONE
Game over for Camden down 2-0 with no shots on goal...not surprising. They have to hope for a long series of throw-ins to back back in this game. If they actually open up and try to play it will get ugly for Camden. They are not anywhere near final 4 caliber team. A lucky run in NJAC's is what got them in.
Kenyon equalize on a counter attack.
What an effort by Amolo. Would have been goal of the season if that had gone in.
No such a thing as a lucky run in the NJAC
W&L pull one back with a little over 4 to play. Trail 2-1 to Haverford.
SLU with a comfortable 2-0 win.
Oneonta defends so well... Im expecting them to make the final...
Kenyon wins it on PKs 4-2. Great penalties by Kenyon, two of the kickers went top left and the first kick from Amolo was a great bottom-left shot. Not sure who scored the clincher but that was a great penalty to the right side-netting. Lords deserved to move on IMHO.
Looks like W&L gave Haverford everything they could handle. I missed the game, sadly, but looking at the stats seems like a decent contest. Difference was Haverford's first goal came on a PK. W&L had one fewer shot, but about the same on goal. 1 vs 3 corners. Anyone see the game and can offer feedback?
Proud of the Generals for this season. They represented well.
that oneonta team is a force to be reckoned with. they remind me a lot how Camden looked in 2013. would not be surprised if oneonta doesn't win the title with ease.
Obviously happy to advance....
Kenyon should have been down at least by 3 at the half. Clougher gifted a goal hitting a goal kick into Desai's back who turns around and puts the ball in an open net. Chicago dominated most of 1st half and missed a couple of very open looks in close, hit a crossbar, etc. Kenyon had to feel fortunate to just be down 1-0 but also worried that they played so poorly. The sun apparently was a huge factor and ref did not allow Clougher to wear a cap as he usually does in the sun.
Kenyon much better in 2nd half, and dominant, although probably not as dominant as Chicago had been in 1st half....although stats suggest otherwise as shots were 10 to 1 for Lords in 2nd half. Lords had several very good chances. Still gave the ball away with frequency, sometimes in bad spots, and some poor decisions at times as well. So played much better but not necessarily well. Chicago is quick, skilled and pretty physical for an overall smallish team....a lot of short, stocky kids with good speed, skill and toughness.
Not much happened in the OTs. I thought Chicago would have the edge in PKs because I know Bonin is a superb GK and frankly, after Amolo and Barnes, I had no idea who would even take a PK for Kenyon. Chicago also got to shoot first which I think is an advantage if your shooter buries that first one, which is exactly what Desai did. Clougher, though, again came up big, making a good save and then a second really good save, tipping one to the crossbar.
I did not think Kenyon looked like a title contender team, at least today, but they are still alive. Carmona, the stud frosh midfielder, did not play yesterday or today. They definitely missed him today when Chicago seemed to have a big advantage in the midfield and especially in the first half held the ball better than the Lords. No idea why he didn't play, and no clue if he will be available on Friday.
I caught the end of the Kenyon and Chicago game. last 30 minutes after the oneonta game. Kenyon is good but they do not look as superior as oneonta did. I also called Kenyon winning the shootout after I saw how crazy the goal keeper was. I guess the old saying is correct, a good keeper isn't right in the head.
Loras with a 3-1 victory over Carthage. Weird game overall. Loras dominated and scored easily (including a highlight reel one from Lenke) in the first half and then put it out of reach 1 minute into the 2nd when they scored their 3rd. Then the Duhawk intensity dropped and Carthage came close to getting back into it several times, finally scoring on a PK call. I'm not sure how many yellows were issued but it was getting a bit out of hand and then Carthage's limited composure exploded and they got 2 reds in the last 3 minutes. Loras was leaving huge amounts of space between their lines and Peterson (GK) seemed to look vulnerable on long throws and corners, which I hadn't seen in other games this season.
Have to wonder if that last sequence with Brandeis peppering the goal and hitting the post will come back to bite them, but the Judges look VERY sharp in this one. Brandeis is really good.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 15, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
Have to wonder if that last sequence with Brandeis peppering the goal and hitting the post will come back to bite them, but the Judges look VERY sharp in this one. Brandeis is really good.
RPI looks like a 7th place team in this one.
Brandeis in complete control and should be 3-0 up.
Brandeis is very good but I thought 2nd Half RPI has battled very hard. Both teams work extremely hard, if RPI had a striker that could finish they would have been able to tie the game up. They do not get many chances but when they do they have no one who can finish.
MSU 1 - Tufts 1. Tufts goal against the run of play. MSU goal on a well deserved PK.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 15, 2015, 04:18:08 PM
Obviously happy to advance....
Kenyon should have been down at least by 3 at the half. Clougher gifted a goal hitting a goal kick into Desai's back who turns around and puts the ball in an open net. Chicago dominated most of 1st half and missed a couple of very open looks in close, hit a crossbar, etc. Kenyon had to feel fortunate to just be down 1-0 but also worried that they played so poorly. The sun apparently was a huge factor and ref did not allow Clougher to wear a cap as he usually does in the sun.
Kenyon much better in 2nd half, and dominant, although probably not as dominant as Chicago had been in 1st half....although stats suggest otherwise as shots were 10 to 1 for Lords in 2nd half. Lords had several very good chances. Still gave the ball away with frequency, sometimes in bad spots, and some poor decisions at times as well. So played much better but not necessarily well. Chicago is quick, skilled and pretty physical for an overall smallish team....a lot of short, stocky kids with good speed, skill and toughness.
Not much happened in the OTs. I thought Chicago would have the edge in PKs because I know Bonin is a superb GK and frankly, after Amolo and Barnes, I had no idea who would even take a PK for Kenyon. Chicago also got to shoot first which I think is an advantage if your shooter buries that first one, which is exactly what Desai did. Clougher, though, again came up big, making a good save and then a second really good save, tipping one to the crossbar.
I did not think Kenyon looked like a title contender team, at least today, but they are still alive. Carmona, the stud frosh midfielder, did not play yesterday or today. They definitely missed him today when Chicago seemed to have a big advantage in the midfield and especially in the first half held the ball better than the Lords. No idea why he didn't play, and no clue if he will be available on Friday.
Some the first half fouls committed by Kenyon were unconscionable. Referee was given several "moments of truth" which I believe he failed in every situation. Many long stoppages to "talk" to players after awful fouls when he needed to use cards. The foul by Kenyon's #6 on Chicago's #2 was straight red VC. Very uncharacteristic for Kenyon - a shameful first half performance.
RPI has about 20 lives this season...They just do NOT GIVE UP....Stupid foul gives RPI a set piece at Mid Field and Brandeis GK comes for a ball that he was not going to get. I think he got his hands to it but could not catch it and ball bounces around and RPI finishes.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 15, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
Have to wonder if that last sequence with Brandeis peppering the goal and hitting the post will come back to bite them, but the Judges look VERY sharp in this one. Brandeis is really good.
Looks like it has as RPI has just tied with less than 5 left. Brandeis has been in complete control and has hit the post 3 times and has over 3X as many shots. This will be an interesting OT.
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 15, 2015, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 15, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
Have to wonder if that last sequence with Brandeis peppering the goal and hitting the post will come back to bite them, but the Judges look VERY sharp in this one. Brandeis is really good.
Looks like it has as RPI has just tied with less than 5 left. Brandeis has been in complete control and has hit the post 3 times and has over 3X as many shots. This will be an interesting OT.
Correction.With less than a minute left in regulation.
What was the GK doing?
RPI with a lifeline.
Looked away to see a Pats reception. Missed the goal...
Good win for Brandeis..They certainly deserved it. Now a good old fashioned out of region rematch with Trinity TX at Amherst. Knowing Serpone and Amherst they will take the late game w/ Lycoming as they usually do. Personally, I would switch it up and go at 11am.
Which one? Brandeis scrum in the box or MSU?
Only the 3rd time this year Tufts has conceded twice
Brandeis certainly deserved to win this game, but if they expect to win two games next weekend the finishing is going to need to be a lot better. They completely dominated the first half tonight and should've put the game out of reach early. They aren't going to be able to get away with that against the type of quality they will see next weekend from Trinity and Amherst.
Looking at some Tufts box scores:
Conn 2 goals on 2 shots
Brandeis 1 goal on 4 shots
Hamilton 2 goals on 8 shots
Bowdoin 1 goal on 2 shots
IMO they are fine up front as they created plenty of chances. I thought their backs and GK were not as good as they usually are. Lanahan is a beast but he did not have one of his best games and the GK will need to be better. They also will not have that crisp passing on Amherst grass field it just will not roll for them like the carpet.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2015, 07:26:33 PM
IMO they are fine up front as they created plenty of chances. I thought their backs and GK were not as good as they usually are. Lanahan is a beast but he did not have one of his best games and the GK will need to be better. They also will not have that crisp passing on Amherst grass field it just will not roll for them like the carpet.
Do you think home field for Amherst is done deal? Just based on them getting a bye? Amherst is a much tougher trip for Trinity than just flying into Boston.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2015, 07:26:33 PM
IMO they are fine up front as they created plenty of chances. I thought their backs and GK were not as good as they usually are. Lanahan is a beast but he did not have one of his best games and the GK will need to be better. They also will not have that crisp passing on Amherst grass field it just will not roll for them like the carpet.
This is what is so frustrating as they do have a lot of talent up front, and they always create plenty of chances. Just for some reason at the end of the day it isn't translating into goals the same way you would expect it to. Should be some great games next weekend that's for sure.
Amherst will be hosting. Trinity TX can go San Antonio-Charlotte-Hartford..2 hrs each flight.
Wash U announcer is awful. He continues to mix up the near post and far post ???
Quote from: Krazy Legz on November 15, 2015, 07:39:46 PM
Wash U announcer is awful. He continues to mix up the near post and far post ???
He's actually excellent...and does post-game interviews. Did interviews with DePauw coach and player after last night's DePauw game.
Just watching Pats final seconds. Missed the Tufts goal...
Wash U announcer is like Nyquil for me. That voice puts me right to sleep like a baby.
Tufts absolutely dominating play from what I can tell since I have been watching. 2-2
MSU needed a 3rd goal and packed in too soon.
Stunning.
F&M hosting? Because games are Friday doubt Kenyon will host because of unlikelihood of daytime games on a Friday. Probably want 5:00 and 7:30 games. Any chance Tufts hosts since they knocked off team with the bye?
And the night ends with more PKs.
Tufts would not host and play so well on the road they will be fine with that.
About as good of a first 6 PKs you'll ever see.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Tufts would not host and play so well on the road they will be fine with that.
OK, so I'm gonna guess F&M. Can't imagine everyone would go to Grand Rapids.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 15, 2015, 08:42:54 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Tufts would not host and play so well on the road they will be fine with that.
OK, so I'm gonna guess F&M. Can't imagine everyone would go to Grand Rapids.
I think it's got to be F&M. Tufts and Kenyon can both bus to F&M so they've only got to get Calvin a flight.
Anywhere else requires two flights. (ie F&M and Tufts to Calvin, or Kenyon and Calvin to Tufts). And I think F&M hosts over Kenyon.
So MSU was a lock because they have soooooooo much fire power???? Hahahahaha.
I usually try to be objective on these boards, but this one's a homer post - Brandeis absolutely deserved to win that game, and thankfully they did. Had RPI emerged victorious, it would have been as clear of a case of daylight robbery as you could find. We all know that RPI didn't even deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament, but the Judges had a goal waved off for offsides (which was questionable), they hit the post twice, and had numerous other opportunities. Not to mention the ref was awful. Oh man. Regardless of Brandeis' inability to score - which was apparent in this game - RPI shouldn't have even been in the question. Judges will face a tougher test in the Sweet 16 against a Trinity side that beat them 2-0 back in September.
I know money is a major consideration, but Calvin is not been shown any respect for a number 1 rated team. No bye, playing OWU at OWU, and not hosting the next site. What other number 1 ranked team has been treated like that?
I think this year's sectional choices will be easier than in most years. Only the "Central" sectional is up for grabs: will it be Loras or Wheaton?
F&M has to host their sectional for the reasons stated by njf1003.
I think the East sectional will be at Oneonta, although any of the other three could host too. Oneonta is in the middle, if the NCAA is looking to spread the pain around evenly.
The Northeast sectional is an easy one geographically for Amherst, and they are the top seed.
I'd go with Amherst, Oneonta State, Loras, and F&M (I'd personally like to see the Loras group at Wheaton due to facilities e.g. the lack of football stripes on the pitch, etc.).
Quote from: njf1003 on November 15, 2015, 08:57:32 PM
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Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Tufts would not host and play so well on the road they will be fine with that.
OK, so I'm gonna guess F&M. Can't imagine everyone would go to Grand Rapids.
I think it's got to be F&M. Tufts and Kenyon can both bus to F&M so they've only got to get Calvin a flight.
Anywhere else requires two flights. (ie F&M and Tufts to Calvin, or Kenyon and Calvin to Tufts). And I think F&M hosts over Kenyon.
F&M makes sense because of capacity for later start times and lights. Otherwise, it would be Kenyon where only Tufts would have to fly into Columbus.
Heartbreak for MSU. Unlucky to draw Tufts in the 2nd round but somebody really good was going to get Tufts because of Tufts' record. In the committee's eyes Tufts was probably no different than a Babson, RPI, Bowdoin, etc. MSU had a couple of great chances to go up 3-1 and thereafter seemed to get caught between not really attacking anymore but also not really packing it in either. They continued to leave Tufts a lot of space but without any real passion about countering. Credit to Tufts for getting 2 goals in the last 8 or so minutes. Two set piece goals and then a beautiful strike from Brown. The last one came too late for MSU to have time for a response. One of the biggest tourney favorites is gone and now the Jumbos are 4 wins from a repeat. Amazing.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 15, 2015, 09:24:18 PM
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Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Tufts would not host and play so well on the road they will be fine with that.
OK, so I'm gonna guess F&M. Can't imagine everyone would go to Grand Rapids.
I think it's got to be F&M. Tufts and Kenyon can both bus to F&M so they've only got to get Calvin a flight.
Anywhere else requires two flights. (ie F&M and Tufts to Calvin, or Kenyon and Calvin to Tufts). And I think F&M hosts over Kenyon.
F&M makes sense because of capacity for later start times and lights. Otherwise, it would be Kenyon where only Tufts would have to fly into Columbus.
NCAA's website says F&M sectional is at OWU.... yeah....
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 15, 2015, 09:32:19 PM
Heartbreak for MSU. Unlucky to draw Tufts in the 2nd round but somebody really good was going to get Tufts because of Tufts' record. In the committee's eyes Tufts was probably no different than a Babson, RPI, Bowdoin, etc. MSU had a couple of great chances to go up 3-1 and thereafter seemed to get caught between not really attacking anymore but also not really packing it in either. They continued to leave Tufts a lot of space but without any real passion about countering. Credit to Tufts for getting 2 goals in the last 8 or so minutes. Two set piece goals and then a beautiful strike from Brown. The last one came too late for MSU to have time for a response. One of the biggest tourney favorites is gone and now the Jumbos are 4 wins from a repeat. Amazing.
It was an excellent game. MSU is very talented and fast. Tufts outplayed them and they were getting gassed for the first 25 minutes. Tufts could have had a quick lead. The MSU keeper made a fantastic save on a Kayne laser header. MSU, who looked a little faster than Tufts then MSU started to get momentum. MSU scored on a Pk. The video feed wasn't great so I couldn't tell about the call. Then, MSU Scored on on nice cross. Becharano scored on a sweet feed from Kayne but was called offside on a very questionable call. Then MSU sat back and Sullivan and Brown scored nice goals. I think the Jumbos will be underdogs still and need to continue to spread the ball around. The speed of the game looked good.
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Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Tufts would not host and play so well on the road they will be fine with that.
OK, so I'm gonna guess F&M. Can't imagine everyone would go to Grand Rapids.
I think it's got to be F&M. Tufts and Kenyon can both bus to F&M so they've only got to get Calvin a flight.
Anywhere else requires two flights. (ie F&M and Tufts to Calvin, or Kenyon and Calvin to Tufts). And I think F&M hosts over Kenyon.
F&M makes sense because of capacity for later start times and lights. Otherwise, it would be Kenyon where only Tufts would have to fly into Columbus.
NCAA's website says F&M regional is at OWU.... yeah....
That actually would not surprise me. Possible.
Official hosts: Haverford, Amherst, Kenyon, Loras.
http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/soccer-men_d3_2015.pdf
Gotta say I'm surprised it's not at F&M, but not completely shocked.
Quote from: njf1003 on November 15, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Official hosts: Haverford, Amherst, Kenyon, Loras.
http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/soccer-men_d3_2015.pdf
Gotta say I'm surprised it's not at F&M, but not completely shocked.
Makes perfect sense by seed. And is Kenyon borrowing OWU field?? That also would make sense, as weird as that will be.
Quote from: d3fan1 on November 15, 2015, 09:15:49 PM
I know money is a major consideration, but Calvin is not been shown any respect for a number 1 rated team. No bye, playing OWU at OWU, and not hosting the next site. What other number 1 ranked team has been treated like that?
Calvin is in a weak conference, so because of the RPI-like system the NCAA uses for making these rankings Calvin can literally go undefeated an entire season and not get to host. And be at risk of missing the national tournament if they don't win the conference tournament. All the human and other computer-based systems had Calvin in the top 1-3, but the NCAA's system had them at 5th in the region.
The NCAA has always seemed to prefer ranking systems that are based on won/lost records only and not goal differentials, even though the goal-differential-based systems are statistically shown to be better at predicting future performance. Wikipedia opines that the reason is that when goal differentials are taken into account, that gives players motivation to shave points, so the NCAA wants to stay clear of that. I can't believe point shaving is an issue in D3 soccer, but there it is, and the NCAA is left with RPI-like systems that favor power conferences. Pros, major conferences, etc have moved away from RPI or at least modified it, but we're still stuck with it at the D3 level.
See Wikipedia's article on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rating_Percentage_Index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rating_Percentage_Index) for more information.
I've been toying with the idea of experimenting with another RPI-like statistic I thought of that takes goal differentials into account and could be added as another ranking factor to SOS, RvR, winning %, etc for comparing teams. It would be something like this:
power = aGD + 2/3 aOGD + 1/3 aOOGD
aGD = average goal differential
aOGD = average opponent's goal differential
aOOGD = average opponent's opponents' goal differential
You can't compare goal differentials directly for teams that play easier or harder schedules, but you can adjust for that in the same way RPI adjusts for SOS.
Maybe someday I'll hack together a program to generate these numbers along with SOS, RPI, etc for D3 soccer teams just to see how this statistic looks and how it compares at predicting future performance to other measures.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 15, 2015, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on November 15, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Official hosts: Haverford, Amherst, Kenyon, Loras.
http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/soccer-men_d3_2015.pdf
Gotta say I'm surprised it's not at F&M, but not completely shocked.
Makes perfect sense by seed. And is Kenyon borrowing OWU field?? That also would make sense, as weird as that will be.
Pretty sure that's just a typo based off of Kenyon's website.
Also 11 and 1:30 on Friday? Who decided on those times?!?
Quote from: njf1003 on November 15, 2015, 10:08:34 PM
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Quote from: njf1003 on November 15, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Official hosts: Haverford, Amherst, Kenyon, Loras.
http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/soccer-men_d3_2015.pdf
Gotta say I'm surprised it's not at F&M, but not completely shocked.
Makes perfect sense by seed. And is Kenyon borrowing OWU field?? That also would make sense, as weird as that will be.
Pretty sure that's just a typo based off of Kenyon's website.
Also 11 and 1:30 on Friday? Who decided on those times?!?
Kenyon website says at Gambier with games at 11:00 and 1:30. Wow. Very surprised they would play early games on a Friday.
And to be honest, Kenyon probably plays better on OWU's field than their own. We would still have a big home field advantage if they did play at OWU.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 15, 2015, 09:13:47 PM
I usually try to be objective on these boards, but this one's a homer post - Brandeis absolutely deserved to win that game, and thankfully they did. Had RPI emerged victorious, it would have been as clear of a case of daylight robbery as you could find. We all know that RPI didn't even deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament, but the Judges had a goal waved off for offsides (which was questionable), they hit the post twice, and had numerous other opportunities. Not to mention the ref was awful. Oh man. Regardless of Brandeis' inability to score - which was apparent in this game - RPI shouldn't have even been in the question. Judges will face a tougher test in the Sweet 16 against a Trinity side that beat them 2-0 back in September.
Think how Stevens feels. Two goals called off, the second on an incredibly questionable call, and then a penalty kick when the ball was first spotted outside the box but, after screaming by the RPI sideline, and consultation with the sideline assistant who was much farther away from the play, the center ref moved the ball to the spot. Brandeis totally dominated the game, more so than Stevens, who also dominated RPI. Some of the worst refereeing in those two games that I have seen. I still feel badly for Middlebury, Colorado College, Brockport, and any of the other teams that were passed over for RPI even though RPI was able to take two excellent teams to overtime.
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Quote from: njf1003 on November 15, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Official hosts: Haverford, Amherst, Kenyon, Loras.
http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/soccer-men_d3_2015.pdf
Gotta say I'm surprised it's not at F&M, but not completely shocked.
Makes perfect sense by seed. And is Kenyon borrowing OWU field?? That also would make sense, as weird as that will be.
Pretty sure that's just a typo based off of Kenyon's website.
Also 11 and 1:30 on Friday? Who decided on those times?!?
Kenyon website says at Gambier with games at 11:00 and 1:30. Wow. Very surprised they would play early games on a Friday.
Does the Kenyon field have lights?
haverfords field is horrible for NCAA quality games... played there a few years back and it was a close game because of the field. I would like to also see loras have to play away in the tournament for once.
No lights....that's why 11:00 and 1:30 times and why I thought Kenyon would not host for a Fri/Sat sectional.
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 15, 2015, 09:09:00 PM
So MSU was a lock because they have soooooooo much fire power???? Hahahahaha.
I don't think anyone called MSU a lock, but were definitely a popular pick. That's what you get for trying to absorb pressure and not execute to your normal style...
The Haverford field (Walton) was completely redone with a new surface this past summer. Should be much better for play.
did not know that. I apologize. I may have to make the 45 minute drive up to haverford to watch the elite 8 game on shnday
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 15, 2015, 10:29:27 PM
haverfords field is horrible for NCAA quality games... played there a few years back and it was a close game because of the field. I would like to also see loras have to play away in the tournament for once.
Loras earns their host position because of their regional ranking and very high SOS. Step up and play quality out of conference teams and good things happen. Facilities and location are also factors in them hosting, but those are secondary.
I didn't mean that in an offensive way, I just want to see how they do away. once they get to the final four they have a tendency to not win on away/neutral fields.
The last time Tufts conceded 3 goals in a game was 10/1/2011 vs Amherst... Impressive.
MSU was knocking on that door, but couldn't open it.
Tufts vs Kenyon will be a classic.
I can see oneonta making not to KC without even conceding a goal. They shut down a two time all American who crushed every goal scoring record at RUC. They did not allow him to have a single shot all game. watch out people this team is legit
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 15, 2015, 10:43:25 PM
I didn't mean that in an offensive way, I just want to see how they do away. once they get to the final four they have a tendency to not win on away/neutral fields.
Not offended, the last 2 final 4 matches (2012 & 2013) were both OT losses. 2012 to Messiah in one of the best, fast paced matches in DIII history. 2013 to Rutgers-Camden on a fluke goal from 55 yds with 30 mph winds.
I know their history... what I was saying was that when they get to final four they have yet to make it to the championship game.
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 15, 2015, 11:02:20 PM
I know their history... what I was saying was that when they get to final four they have yet to make it to the championship game.
Can't argue with that. My point of view was that out of their four Final 4 appearances they have gone to PK's once and OT twice so it's not like they can't play outside of the Rock Bowl.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2015, 10:44:48 PM
The last time Tufts conceded 3 goals in a game was 10/1/2011 vs Amherst... Impressive.
MSU was knocking on that door, but couldn't open it.
Tufts vs Kenyon will be a classic.
Kenyon will be favored and Tufts will have to bring their A game, but then again, playing on the road hasn't seemed th hamper then at all....
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2015, 10:44:48 PM
The last time Tufts conceded 3 goals in a game was 10/1/2011 vs Amherst... Impressive.
MSU was knocking on that door, but couldn't open it.
Tufts vs Kenyon will be a classic.
NJAC not looking so hot Last Guy
Not one team from the South Atlantic region makes the sweet 16...New England and Mid-Atlantic regions looking the strongest with 4 and 3 teams in the Sweet 16? St. Olaf the biggest surprise? Tufts starting to click? Should be a fun ride down the stretch!
Sweet 16 Regional Breakdown(NCAA/NSCAA):
New England Region: Brandies(1/1), Amherst(2/2), MIT(3/3), Tufts (5/8)
East Region: Oneonta State(1/1), St. Lawrence(2/2)
Mid-Atlantic Region: Haverford(1/1), F&M(2/5), Lycoming(3/2)
South Atlantic Region: None
Great Lakes Region: DePauw(2/8), Kenyon(4/1)
Central Region: Wheaton(2/2), Calvin(5/1)
North Region: Loras(1/1), St. Olaf(NR/10)
West Region: Trinity(1/1)
Quote from: Jump4Joy on November 15, 2015, 07:18:30 PM
Looked away to see a Pats reception. Missed the goal...
Never look away. I missed more goals in the 2014 NCAA's by just going to the bathroom.
16 teams left and man are they good! All the match ups will be intriguing but I will list my top 4 to watch this coming weekend!
4 Best Games (D3soccer/NSCAA rankings):
1. #8/7 Haverford vs #20/13 St. Lawrence---Can you say blockbuster game or what?!?! What a game this should be which is why I put this at the top of my list. Doesn't get much better than this. Centennial champ vs Liberty League champ. Only thing hurting SLU is how they perform on the road...3-2-1 road record compared to a 13-1-1 home record. Edge to the Fords.
2. #1/5 Kenyon vs #RV/NR Tufts---Tufts coming alive in the tournament. Kenyon surviving 1 game at a time. This is a must watch as 2 top tier teams collide. Can Tufts repeat as national champs? They certainly look determined. Can Kenyon live up to the hype? They are trying to. Tufts wins this in an overtime thriller.
3. #4/6 Amherst vs. #12/15 Lycoming---2 of the best if not the 2 best defenses in the country will collide. Amherst w/40 GF and just 4 GA and Lycoming 52 GF and 11 GA. Both teams enter the match with 13 shutouts. This will only be Amherst's second game in 21 days. Lycoming enters on a 20 game unbeaten streak that includes 9 wins in a row. Lycoming has the best chance to knock off Amherst in this tournament...the only other team that can hang is Oneonta St IMO. I give Amherst the slight edge.
4. #11/RV F&M vs #3/1 Calvin---Calvin is the only remaining undefeated team in the country and they are out to prove why they are undefeated. F&M seems to have bounced back after tough losses to Dickinson with impressive 5-1 and 3-1 wins. This could end up being the game of the day but for now I have them in the 4 slot. Toss-up for this game. Flip a coin and that's who wins.
Other games:
#5/3 Brandeis vs #2/2 Trinity---Trinity is the only remaining western team. How will the flight to Mass. affect them? Brandeis has been shaky even while playing at home. Not a good time to not be playing your best soccer. Rankings might indicate this as a top level game but I beg to differ at this moment in time. This is a toss-up.
#7/8 Oneonta St. vs #19/18 MIT---Oneonta State is personally the best team in the country and I have been saying it all year. I would love to see an Elite 8 match with them and Haverford. What a great game that could be! But don't overlook a quietly dangerous MIT team.
#17/11 Loras vs #RV/NR DePauw---Loras has a nice path to the final 4. DePauw's run ends here.
#RV/12 Wheaton vs #NR/NR St. Olaf---The cinderella story stops here for St. Olaf. Wheaton is just too dominant offensively.
I'm going to take a quick moment and have a laugh at the UAA - again.
Only 1 of 4 teams makes it to the round of 16.
I'm so glad that I stopped thinking "this could be the year they finally play to their high rankings", it improves my brackets!
My picks for the round of 16 based on what I saw this weekend.
Amherst has its usual slip up as Lycoming doesn't give them any opportunities. 1-0.
Trinity shows that the cold doesn't bother them and takes it over Brandeis again. 2-1.
St Lawrence keeps rolling and keeps my bracket alive. 2-0.
Oneonta is just too much for MIT. 4-1.
Loras advances on pks. 1-1.
Wheaton puts Cinderella down. 3-1.
Tufts repeat attempt dies in the game of the tourney. 3-1.
Calvin keeps the undefeated streak alive. 2-0.
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
I'm going to take a quick moment and have a laugh at the UAA - again.
Only 1 of 4 teams makes it to the round of 16.
I'm so glad that I stopped thinking "this could be the year they finally play to their high rankings", it improves my brackets!
Two shoot-out losses and a double OT loss?
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 16, 2015, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
I'm going to take a quick moment and have a laugh at the UAA - again.
Only 1 of 4 teams makes it to the round of 16.
I'm so glad that I stopped thinking "this could be the year they finally play to their high rankings", it improves my brackets!
Two shoot-out losses and a double OT loss?
And notice what they all have in common? They didn't advance!
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 16, 2015, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
I'm going to take a quick moment and have a laugh at the UAA - again.
Only 1 of 4 teams makes it to the round of 16.
I'm so glad that I stopped thinking "this could be the year they finally play to their high rankings", it improves my brackets!
Two shoot-out losses and a double OT loss?
And notice what they all have in common? They are losses!
Technically speaking the UAA teams are 4-1-2 in the tournament this year with the 1 loss being in double OT
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on November 16, 2015, 08:16:47 AM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2015, 10:44:48 PM
The last time Tufts conceded 3 goals in a game was 10/1/2011 vs Amherst... Impressive.
MSU was knocking on that door, but couldn't open it.
Tufts vs Kenyon will be a classic.
NJAC not looking so hot Last Guy
Of course not... look at the match-ups! If MSU or Camden had Gordon as a Round of 32 game, they'd be in the Sweet 16. This isn't a shot at F&M, but you know what I mean. If Rutgers-Camden would have gotten Bowdoin or MIT, I think they'd have won. If MSU had Chicago, they'd have probably won. However, you can only beat who is put in front of you... On to next year!
I think F&M will be heading to the Elite 8.
I noticed you had Oneonta St as your Champion on one forum, but for the bracketology you selected Amherst. Thoughts/Prediction on Haverford vs. SLU and potential match-up of Haverford vs Oneonta St?
If the Wash U GK had an extra inch of length they would have advanced. He was guessing right on most kicks but just could not get his hand to one. The DePauw GK looked awkward to me and had a hard time getting low but he got it done.
I did not watch but I have no idea how CMU lost to Gordon. With a 1-0 lead late they should have gotten the job done.
CHicago I have a seen a couple times this season and I liked what I saw. I did not watch the game against Kenyon but did catch the PK's. Kenyon just placed 4 bullets that the Chicago GK had no chance on. On the other side, Chicago kickers did not look comfortable at all missing 2/4 and almost missing 3/4.
Brandeis is a legit team. If they were home this weekend I would give them a very good chance to get to the Final 4. This still could be their year though. They lost to Williams at Amherst in both 2012 and 2013 and beat Amherst at Oneonta last year. They are very familiar with Amherst and that field. Curious to see where they practice on grass. Yesterday they absolutely dominated RPI who put in a solid effort as well. Viera worked his ass off all game and he is a pleasant surprise for me. Actually, Brandeis in general works VERY HARD especially in midfield. A couple issues that can and need to be cleaned up are the finishing and their backs giving the ball away to much. I said this yesterday but lanahan is a physical beast back there but he gave the ball away in a couple key spots that could have turned out worse against a better side. He must clean that up. DePietto for a frosh is a good solid back and Lynch also coughed up the ball in a couple key spots but he works very hard and will also need to have a better game. Woodhouse is a solid GK but he came a couple times last night and misjudged 2 or 3 balls in the air that he cannot do against Trinity. Still Brandeis has played some tremendous possession style futbol and are a pleasure to watch. I think they are at their best possessing and pressing opposing teams backs to get them to cough it up so they can then counter. This side is also a physical side but not dirty and if they only had this physicality in 2012 and 2013 they would have advanced farther IMO. Last year was a good mix and this year also. I did not see their game at Trinity and am wondering how Trinity scored but I see Brandeis getting revenge setting up a re-match with Amherst. Amherst will have revenge on their minds from last year and I think that could be an epic match and here's hoping we get to see it on Sunday.
Is it any surprise that frequent 0-0, 1-0 UAA games lead to so many OT/PK games vs teams from other conferences in the tournament?
Quote from: NERevs127 on November 16, 2015, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 16, 2015, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
I'm going to take a quick moment and have a laugh at the UAA - again.
Only 1 of 4 teams makes it to the round of 16.
I'm so glad that I stopped thinking "this could be the year they finally play to their high rankings", it improves my brackets!
Two shoot-out losses and a double OT loss?
And notice what they all have in common? They are losses!
Technically speaking the UAA teams are 4-1-2 in the tournament this year with the 1 loss being in double OT
Not entirely sure what his point is, but some might argue that having two shootout loses in the second round from the 4th and 5th place teams in the conference; one of them being your 5th place team on the road to the current number 1 overall ranked team, shows the quality of the UAA. I don't really get why people expect this conference to have 3 teams in the sweet 16 every year or else they take it as some sort of proof that the conference is overrated. Let's put the 4th and 5th place teams from whatever other conference you want to pick in the tournament and see how well they do.
On the other hand:
3rd place CMU loses to 3rd place CCC, Gordon in OT
1st place Brandeis needs OT to beat 7th place Liberty League, RPI.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 16, 2015, 10:20:14 AM
If the Wash U GK had an extra inch of length they would have advanced. He was guessing right on most kicks but just could not get his hand to one. The DePauw GK looked awkward to me and had a hard time getting low but he got it done.
I did not watch but I have no idea how CMU lost to Gordon. With a 1-0 lead late they should have gotten the job done.
CHicago I have a seen a couple times this season and I liked what I saw. I did not watch the game against Kenyon but did catch the PK's. Kenyon just placed 4 bullets that the Chicago GK had no chance on. On the other side, Chicago kickers did not look comfortable at all missing 2/4 and almost missing 3/4.
Brandeis is a legit team. If they were home this weekend I would give them a very good chance to get to the Final 4. This still could be their year though. They lost to Williams at Amherst in both 2012 and 2013 and beat Amherst at Oneonta last year. They are very familiar with Amherst and that field. Curious to see where they practice on grass. Yesterday they absolutely dominated RPI who put in a solid effort as well. Viera worked his ass off all game and he is a pleasant surprise for me. Actually, Brandeis in general works VERY HARD especially in midfield. A couple issues that can and need to be cleaned up are the finishing and their backs giving the ball away to much. I said this yesterday but lanahan is a physical beast back there but he gave the ball away in a couple key spots that could have turned out worse against a better side. He must clean that up. DePietto for a frosh is a good solid back and Lynch also coughed up the ball in a couple key spots but he works very hard and will also need to have a better game. Woodhouse is a solid GK but he came a couple times last night and misjudged 2 or 3 balls in the air that he cannot do against Trinity. Still Brandeis has played some tremendous possession style futbol and are a pleasure to watch. I think they are at their best possessing and pressing opposing teams backs to get them to cough it up so they can then counter. This side is also a physical side but not dirty and if they only had this physicality in 2012 and 2013 they would have advanced farther IMO. Last year was a good mix and this year also. I did not see their game at Trinity and am wondering how Trinity scored but I see Brandeis getting revenge setting up a re-match with Amherst. Amherst will have revenge on their minds from last year and I think that could be an epic match and here's hoping we get to see it on Sunday.
In the Brandeis-Trinity match from earlier this season Trinity had two goals in the first 5 minutes, one of them coming from an uncharacteristic defensive breakdown from Brandeis. After going down 2-0 early Brandeis settled down a bit but you can't dig yourself a hole like that against a team like that. Trinity was the better side that day but the game this weekend is a toss up IMO.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2015, 10:31:39 AM
On the other hand:
3rd place CMU loses to 3rd place CCC, Gordon in OT
1st place Brandeis needs OT to beat 7th place Liberty League, RPI.
I didn't watch the CMU game so won't comment on that but anyone who watched the Brandeis-RPI game last night could see the clear difference in quality between the two sides.
I think this is the 1st time Trinity has been sent to New England in the NCAA's. Midd beat them in the 2007 Final in PK's and Amherst beat them in 2008 sectional in Jersey I think also in PK's. Other than that I cannot for the life of me remember any other Trinity side being sent to New England or playing a New England opponent
Quote from: nw_ds on November 16, 2015, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2015, 10:31:39 AM
On the other hand:
3rd place CMU loses to 3rd place CCC, Gordon in OT
1st place Brandeis needs OT to beat 7th place Liberty League, RPI.
I didn't watch the CMU game so won't comment on that but anyone who watched the Brandeis-RPI game last night could see the clear difference in quality between the two sides.
I only caught the OT of the Brandeis / RPI game... and that looked fairly even.
Some of the match-ups are really compelling. Who would expect Brandeis to be playing Trinity, and bizarrely they already played once this season! That game will have no impact on this one. Brandeis is tournament tough. Agree they play very good soccer but also have an edge and toughness. Haverford and SLU should be great, and F&M vs Calvin is another odd pair which could go either way. These unusual pairings are offset by an expected Loras-Wheaton classic showdown.
I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen Tufts vs Kenyon. This is the kind of game I wish we could see as an early regular season match-up. Most here will pick Tufts and Kenyon will NOT be favored. An odd thing about Kenyon is that they were ranked #2 in the country about 90% of last season and top 5 90% of this season, and yet they seemed like the underdog every time they played OWU both years and I think that will be the case against Tufts. Kenyon is 36-3-2 (I think) over the past two seasons. Sort of strange to have a team ranked higher (substantially higher) for the large majority of two years still being doubted so much when they play a big team. But this past weekend's results certainly did nothing to quell doubts and until a Kenyon or F&M fully breaks through the doubts will continue.
Quote from: nw_ds on November 16, 2015, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: NERevs127 on November 16, 2015, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 16, 2015, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
I'm going to take a quick moment and have a laugh at the UAA - again.
Only 1 of 4 teams makes it to the round of 16.
I'm so glad that I stopped thinking "this could be the year they finally play to their high rankings", it improves my brackets!
Two shoot-out losses and a double OT loss?
And notice what they all have in common? They are losses!
Technically speaking the UAA teams are 4-1-2 in the tournament this year with the 1 loss being in double OT
Not entirely sure what his point is, but some might argue that having two shootout loses in the second round from the 4th and 5th place teams in the conference; one of them being your 5th place team on the road to the current number 1 overall ranked team, shows the quality of the UAA. I don't really get why people expect this conference to have 3 teams in the sweet 16 every year or else they take it as some sort of proof that the conference is overrated. Let's put the 4th and 5th place teams from whatever other conference you want to pick in the tournament and see how well they do.
I have to vehemently agree with you on this one. The UAA had 3/4 teams advance to the round of 32 - no small feat for one conference. 2/3 remaining teams lost in PKs (with one of those coming against the #1 ranked team). It is inaccurate and petty to "laugh at the conference" or to say that they "fell short of their high rankings". What high rankings? The UAA did not have any team in the top 15/20 consistently during the season besides Brandeis, who, in line with their rankings, is in the final 16.
Also, albeit, a much smaller point - 1/4 teams advancing to the final 16 is what is mathematically expected (4 teams with a 25% chance to advance to the final 16 = 1 team advancing).
So if none of the 4 bids fell short of expectations, what do the UAA dissenters suggest? That the conference receive less bids? I'm not sure how the committee could do that and still comport with their selection criteria. In the last published rankings, Brandeis was #1 in NE, WashU was #1 in the central region, CMU was #1 in the great lakes region. So, what should the committee do? Totally disregard their selection criteria and instill some sort of anti-UAA bias? I will concede that Chicago could have been left out in favor of one of the teams that got snubbed, but Chicago still had an impressive resume, andafter taking Kenyon to PKs I still believe they are a quality and tournament-worthy side.
I don't think anyone suggests or believes that the UAA has multiple teams that will run very deep in the tournament, but I think most people will agree that they do have 2-4 tournament quality teams every year, as I think they have proven this year again.
Yea Brandeis was still in shock that RPI tied the game up with a minute to go and therefore did not look their best in OT. They looked demoralized and I thought they were going to cough up their season if the did not snap out of it fast. It is a complicated mindset when you just cough up a game you dominated in the 89th minute that is when RPI had their chance to find the winner but they had no sniffs at all. However, you are correct OT was fairly even and uneventful besides the goal. RPI needed to take advantage of that huge momentum switch after the goal but they did not
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2015, 10:18:42 AM
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Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2015, 10:44:48 PM
The last time Tufts conceded 3 goals in a game was 10/1/2011 vs Amherst... Impressive.
MSU was knocking on that door, but couldn't open it.
Tufts vs Kenyon will be a classic.
NJAC not looking so hot Last Guy
Of course not... look at the match-ups! If MSU or Camden had Gordon as a Round of 32 game, they'd be in the Sweet 16. This isn't a shot at F&M, but you know what I mean. If Rutgers-Camden would have gotten Bowdoin or MIT, I think they'd have won. If MSU had Chicago, they'd have probably won. However, you can only beat who is put in front of you... On to next year!
I think F&M will be heading to the Elite 8.
I noticed you had Oneonta St as your Champion on one forum, but for the bracketology you selected Amherst. Thoughts/Prediction on Haverford vs. SLU and potential match-up of Haverford vs Oneonta St?
I do think Oneonta is the best team in the country but I guess I fell to the pressure of the bracket and gave in with Amherst being a safe pick ;D I do think Oneonta St is the most dangerous team in the tournament. If Haverford and Oneonta St meet I think it will be the game of the tournament to watch. A potential championship game if the cards would have unfolded right. Amherst had an easier path to the final 4 than Oneonta so that's also why I penciled them in to the Final. Although my opinion changes after every game ;)
I saw all 6 games at OWU and Kenyon this weekend - the Mid Atlantic quadrant contains 4 teams that were at one time ranked #1 in the country this season. Calvin may be the Rodney Dangerfield of this tournament, but if they get out of this weekend I would think they would have as good a chance as any for the title.
And BC gets in the D1 tournament at 9-7-1 and UCLA at 10-8-1. Love how both these teams get rewarded for barely .500 seasons. Every year there is always 2-3
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 16, 2015, 10:55:22 AM
Some of the match-ups are really compelling. Who would expect Brandeis to be playing Trinity, and bizarrely they already played once this season! That game will have no impact on this one. Brandeis is tournament tough. Agree they play very good soccer but also have an edge and toughness. Haverford and SLU should be great, and F&M vs Calvin is another odd pair which could go either way. These unusual pairings are offset by an expected Loras-Wheaton classic showdown.
I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen Tufts vs Kenyon. This is the kind of game I wish we could see as an early regular season match-up. Most here will pick Tufts and Kenyon will NOT be favored. An odd thing about Kenyon is that they were ranked #2 in the country about 90% of last season and top 5 90% of this season, and yet they seemed like the underdog every time they played OWU both years and I think that will be the case against Tufts. Kenyon is 36-3-2 (I think) over the past two seasons. Sort of strange to have a team ranked higher (substantially higher) for the large majority of two years still being doubted so much when they play a big team. But this past weekend's results certainly did nothing to quell doubts and until a Kenyon or F&M fully breaks through the doubts will continue.
The game is at Kenyon and Kenyon is rated higher, so why wouldn't they be the favorite? Plus, see the bracketology in this forum below:
Massey Ratings 51 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS CALVIN AMHERST CALVIN AMHERST
Flying Weasel 50 AMHERST ONEONTA ST LORAS KENYON AMHERST LORAS LORAS
RUMSU 50 BRANDEIS HAVERFORD LORAS MSU HAVERFORD MSU HAVERFORD
Consensus 49 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
blooter442 49 AMHERST ONEONTA ST WHEATON MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
Golden_Fan 49 AMHERST ONEONTA ST WHEATON MSU ONEONTA ST MSU MSU
casualfan 48 BRANDEIS HAVERFORD WHEATON KENYON BRANDEIS KENYON KENYON
NJrexSoccer03 46 AMHERST R-CAMDEN LORAS MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
WarhawkFan 45 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS KENYON HAVERFORD KENYON HAVERFORD
HeroSports 44 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS KENYON HAVERFORD KENYON HAVERFORD
NERevs127 44 BRANDEIS HAVERFORD WHEATON KENYON HAVERFORD KENYON KENYON
Mr.Right 43 AMHERST ONEONTA ST LORAS CHICAGO ONEONTA ST LORAS LORAS
Letthekidsplay59 43 BRANDEIS BOWDOIN WASH (MO) CHICAGO BRANDEIS CHICAGO BRANDEIS
Shooter McGavin 42 LYCOMING ONEONTA ST LORAS OWU ONEONTA ST LORAS ONEONTA ST
D3 Scout 42 AMHERST R-CAMDEN U-WW OWU AMHERST UW-W AMHERST
dontshootthegoose 42 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS F&M AMHERST F&M AMHERST
wingtips2 42 STEVENS SLU WHEATON KENYON SLU KENYON KENYON
Mid-Atlantic Fan 41 AMHERST HAVERFORD WHEATON MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
NCAC New England 41 AMHERST SLU U-WW KENYON SLU KENYON KENYON
lastguyoffthebench 39 AMHERST R-CAMDEN WHEATON MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2015, 10:18:42 AM
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Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2015, 10:44:48 PM
The last time Tufts conceded 3 goals in a game was 10/1/2011 vs Amherst... Impressive.
MSU was knocking on that door, but couldn't open it.
Tufts vs Kenyon will be a classic.
NJAC not looking so hot Last Guy
Of course not... look at the match-ups! If MSU or Camden had Gordon as a Round of 32 game, they'd be in the Sweet 16. This isn't a shot at F&M, but you know what I mean. If Rutgers-Camden would have gotten Bowdoin or MIT, I think they'd have won. If MSU had Chicago, they'd have probably won. However, you can only beat who is put in front of you... On to next year!
I think F&M will be heading to the Elite 8.
I noticed you had Oneonta St as your Champion on one forum, but for the bracketology you selected Amherst. Thoughts/Prediction on Haverford vs. SLU and potential match-up of Haverford vs Oneonta St?
NJAC way overrated this year and MSU second year in a row choke.
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 16, 2015, 01:23:59 PM
I saw all 6 games at OWU and Kenyon this weekend - the Mid Atlantic quadrant contains 4 teams that were at one time ranked #1 in the country this season. Calvin may be the Rodney Dangerfield of this tournament, but if they get out of this weekend I would think they would have as good a chance as any for the title.
"Rodney Dangerfield" haaaa
If Haverford and Oneonta advance, that game will be an up-and-down battle.
Predictions:
Amherst 2, Lycoming 0
Trinity 1, Brandeis 0
Haverford 2, SLU 1
Oneonta St 3, MIT 0
Loras 2, DePauw 1
Wheaton 3, St. Olaf 1
Tufts 1, Kenyon 1. PKs
F&M 2, Calvin 1.
Quote from: NERevs127 on November 16, 2015, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 16, 2015, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 16, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
I'm going to take a quick moment and have a laugh at the UAA - again.
Only 1 of 4 teams makes it to the round of 16.
I'm so glad that I stopped thinking "this could be the year they finally play to their high rankings", it improves my brackets!
Two shoot-out losses and a double OT loss?
And notice what they all have in common? They are losses!
Technically speaking the UAA teams are 4-1-2 in the tournament this year with the 1 loss being in double OT
since you're being technical - I amended my post.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 16, 2015, 11:02:16 AM
Yea Brandeis was still in shock that RPI tied the game up with a minute to go and therefore did not look their best in OT. They looked demoralized and I thought they were going to cough up their season if the did not snap out of it fast. It is a complicated mindset when you just cough up a game you dominated in the 89th minute that is when RPI had their chance to find the winner but they had no sniffs at all. However, you are correct OT was fairly even and uneventful besides the goal. RPI needed to take advantage of that huge momentum switch after the goal but they did not
Having seen RPI play over the years, I find it uncanny how they are able to make games seem disjointed and messy. RPI are neither chippy nor super-physical, just disruptive. Brandeis had the run of play (as did Stevens, as did many of the opponents over the past few years), yet RPI always seemed to get a foot in the way, or rush the shot just a bit, or force the odd error. Its more than coincidence at this point -- RPI creates harried play, and its even more disruptive when you face it the first time or in tournament play. Credit to Brandeis for getting through that first OT before their technical abilities finally overwhelmed RPI.
St. Olaf is riding a 5 game shutout streak, can they keep it up vs Wheaton?
Which giant is most likely to fall in the round of 16?
To me, it's someone in the East regional. 4 tremendously talented squads there.
Does MIT upset Oneonta at a neutral ground?
Can SLU get it done on Haverford's home pitch?
Should be two great games.
I can only imagine how St.Olaf plays. Anyone seen them? I am guessing direct, athletic, physical and not a ton of technical and speedy players but a team that works hard. Kind of like a Midwest version of RPI. I want to actually amend that as RPI is not completely direct and they do have speed and some technical players.
I think MIT or Bowdoin could of frustrated Oneonta. I do not see MIT being able to muster much on offense as Bowdoin defensively was very good for 98 minutes against MIT and Plattsburgh. Oneonta will be able to handle anything MIT has going forward BUT I think they will come out like they did against Brandeis and they frustrated a really good side at Brandeis. MIT is a turf team as is Oneonta. I know this was at the beginning of the year but Oneonta did not look as comfortable on grass at Williams and was basically shut down 2-0. I remember thinking to myself or out loud they were a shade of the 2014 team I saw in KC. Now maybe they had injuries or maybe just a bad day I do not know. MIT will need to have a real plan for this game and better be ready to play for 90. Honestly, I would have rather seen Bowdoin play this game as they are a better defensive team than MIT and have a better GK. They also have more attacking players than MIT. What they do not have is a Sean Bingham that has 20 goals. That is the difference and sometimes that is the only difference a team needs. I am not sure how organized MIT is under their 1st year Head Coach and that will be something to watch for on Saturday.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 17, 2015, 10:35:13 AM
I can only imagine how St.Olaf plays. Anyone seen them? I am guessing direct, athletic, physical and not a ton of technical and speedy players but a team that works hard. Kind of like a Midwest version of RPI.
You pretty much nailed it.
Quote from: Part_Bart on November 16, 2015, 08:28:16 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 16, 2015, 11:02:16 AM
Yea Brandeis was still in shock that RPI tied the game up with a minute to go and therefore did not look their best in OT. They looked demoralized and I thought they were going to cough up their season if the did not snap out of it fast. It is a complicated mindset when you just cough up a game you dominated in the 89th minute that is when RPI had their chance to find the winner but they had no sniffs at all. However, you are correct OT was fairly even and uneventful besides the goal. RPI needed to take advantage of that huge momentum switch after the goal but they did not
Having seen RPI play over the years, I find it uncanny how they are able to make games seem disjointed and messy. RPI are neither chippy nor super-physical, just disruptive. Brandeis had the run of play (as did Stevens, as did many of the opponents over the past few years), yet RPI always seemed to get a foot in the way, or rush the shot just a bit, or force the odd error. Its more than coincidence at this point -- RPI creates harried play, and its even more disruptive when you face it the first time or in tournament play. Credit to Brandeis for getting through that first OT before their technical abilities finally overwhelmed RPI.
I have to absolutely agree with this. Adding to everything you said they work Extremely hard and also always seem to have good GK'ing. Dewald obviously last year was superb but they always seem to find a great replacement right away. This kid against Brandeis made a couple nice saves to keep RPI close.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 17, 2015, 10:29:26 AM
St. Olaf is riding a 5 game shutout streak, can they keep it up vs Wheaton?
Which giant is most likely to fall in the round of 16?
The Northeast Sectional arguably could have been the final 4 this year and has to be considered the toughest of the 4 sectionals. One of Brandeis or Trinity is going to lose this weekend so there is one giant that will be knocked out and if Lycoming can upset Amherst that would bust some brackets.
The Mid-Atlantic quadrant is probably next in line with the likes of Tufts(defending champs), Kenyon(#1 right now), F&M(top 15) and Calvin(undefeated) in the pod. All 4 are giants and this could also be a final 4 pod as well if the cards could have played out the right way. You will see 2 giants go home from this sectional regardless of who wins and loses.
Next up is without a doubt the East quadrant/sectional. Haverford and SLU is a highly anticipated match-up and Oneonta St looks to get back to the final 4 for the 2nd consecutive year. MIT is quietly dangerous and cannot be overlooked.
Last is the Central sectional. If Loras and Wheaton don't meet in the elite 8 then consider this a huge upset for whichever team(s) would prevail. If DePauw or St. Olaf win then cinderella is on their side.
Quote from: SandyMac on November 17, 2015, 10:35:04 AM
To me, it's someone in the East regional. 4 tremendously talented squads there.
Does MIT upset Oneonta at a neutral ground?
Can SLU get it done on Haverford's home pitch?
Should be two great games.
Have seen Oneonta and SLU play well, and poorly, this year. But, both playing very very well now.
If this was at another place, I'd say SLU would be a lock to win, but @Haverford, hmmm.
SLU loves a big grass pitch -- and especially width: lots of one-on-one drives and neat motion off ball with smart play.
Should be a great match.
Re: Oneonta, well, MIT would have to really have a day of days. Not out of the question, and Oneonta prefers turf (but so does MIT, right?).
Out of these four teams, I am more willing to say Oneonta gets through, though any one of them is able to get two games of greatness and move on.
Weather is shaping up "nicely" for the Friday night games in the Rock Bowl. Rain, turning to snow with 3-5" of snow expected Friday night and game time temps in the low 30s and falling. Saturday's matchup might be dry but with temps in the low 20s. Classic upper midwest late November weather. For all the talk about sending Trinity to the northeast they might be pretty glad to be playing in Massachusetts instead of Iowa this year.
Low 20's? Are u sure? That is FRIGID
D3Soccer Rankings:
Northeast Sectional:
#2,4,5,12------------------Avg. Rank=5.75
Mid-Atlantic Sectional:
#1,3,11,RV----------------Avg. Rank=11.75
East Sectional:
#7,8,19,20-----------------Avg. Rank=13.5
Central Sectional:
#17, RV, RV, NR-----------Avg. Rank=26.75 (Note that St. Olaf was given a ranking of 35)
NSCAA Rankings:
Northeast Sectional:
#2,3,6,15-----------------Avg. Rank=6.5
Mid-Atlantic Sectional:
#1,5,RV,NR---------------Avg. Rank=18 (Tufts NR=35th)
East Sectional:
#7,8,13,18----------------Avg. Rank=11.5
Central Sectional:
#11,12,NR,NR------------Avg. Rank=23.25(DePauw and St. Olaf=35th)
Total Average Ranking By Sectional:
Northeast=6.125
Mid-Atlantic=14.5
East=12.5
Central=25
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 18, 2015, 01:14:29 PM
D3Soccer Rankings:
Northeast Sectional:
#2,4,5,12------------------Avg. Rank=5.75
Mid-Atlantic Sectional:
#1,3,11,RV----------------Avg. Rank=11.75
East Sectional:
#7,8,19,20-----------------Avg. Rank=13.5
Central Sectional:
#17, RV, RV, NR-----------Avg. Rank=26.75 (Note that St. Olaf was given a ranking of 35)
NSCAA Rankings:
Northeast Sectional:
#2,3,6,15-----------------Avg. Rank=6.5
Mid-Atlantic Sectional:
#1,5,RV,NR---------------Avg. Rank=18 (Tufts NR=35th)
East Sectional:
#7,8,13,18----------------Avg. Rank=11.5
Central Sectional:
#11,12,NR,NR------------Avg. Rank=23.25(DePauw and St. Olaf=35th)
Total Average Ranking By Sectional:
Northeast=6.125
Mid-Atlantic=14.5
East=12.5
Central=25
And a King shall rise from the East!
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 18, 2015, 01:20:39 PM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 18, 2015, 01:14:29 PM
D3Soccer Rankings:
Northeast Sectional:
#2,4,5,12------------------Avg. Rank=5.75
Mid-Atlantic Sectional:
#1,3,11,RV----------------Avg. Rank=11.75
East Sectional:
#7,8,19,20-----------------Avg. Rank=13.5
Central Sectional:
#17, RV, RV, NR-----------Avg. Rank=26.75 (Note that St. Olaf was given a ranking of 35)
NSCAA Rankings:
Northeast Sectional:
#2,3,6,15-----------------Avg. Rank=6.5
Mid-Atlantic Sectional:
#1,5,RV,NR---------------Avg. Rank=18 (Tufts NR=35th)
East Sectional:
#7,8,13,18----------------Avg. Rank=11.5
Central Sectional:
#11,12,NR,NR------------Avg. Rank=23.25(DePauw and St. Olaf=35th)
Total Average Ranking By Sectional:
Northeast=6.125
Mid-Atlantic=14.5
East=12.5
Central=25
And a King shall rise from the East!
Or live long enough to become the villian.
Whoever comes out of the northeast I think has the best chance.
These averages I have to say seem pretty meaningless. The Mid-Atlantic average is dragged down by Tufts of all teams.
What other sectional had all 4 teams ranked #1 at some point in the season?
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 18, 2015, 02:57:40 PM
These averages I have to say seem pretty meaningless. The Mid-Atlantic average is dragged down by Tufts of all teams.
What other sectional had all 4 teams ranked #1 at some point in the season?
Aren't all rankings "meaningless" which is why we play the game....
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 18, 2015, 03:08:29 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 18, 2015, 02:57:40 PM
These averages I have to say seem pretty meaningless. The Mid-Atlantic average is dragged down by Tufts of all teams.
What other sectional had all 4 teams ranked #1 at some point in the season?
Aren't all rankings "meaningless" which is why we play the game....
haha... They were last year.....
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 18, 2015, 02:57:40 PM
These averages I have to say seem pretty meaningless. The Mid-Atlantic average is dragged down by Tufts of all teams.
What other sectional had all 4 teams ranked #1 at some point in the season?
Also I just put these out so we could have perspective without clicking back and forth between the website rankings and the forums. Thought people might be interested in it. Sorry to bore you with my meaningless numbers NCAC.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 18, 2015, 03:12:52 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 18, 2015, 02:57:40 PM
These averages I have to say seem pretty meaningless. The Mid-Atlantic average is dragged down by Tufts of all teams.
What other sectional had all 4 teams ranked #1 at some point in the season?
Also I just put these out so we could have perspective without clicking back and forth between the website rankings and the forums. Thought people might be interested in it. Sorry to bore you with my meaningless numbers NCAC.
Shooter, you misunderstood. It
was/is interesting. Just don't think it is any basis for determining which sectional is the "best" or toughest as some seemed to suggest following your posting of that data.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 18, 2015, 03:19:33 PM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 18, 2015, 03:12:52 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 18, 2015, 02:57:40 PM
These averages I have to say seem pretty meaningless. The Mid-Atlantic average is dragged down by Tufts of all teams.
What other sectional had all 4 teams ranked #1 at some point in the season?
Also I just put these out so we could have perspective without clicking back and forth between the website rankings and the forums. Thought people might be interested in it. Sorry to bore you with my meaningless numbers NCAC.
Shooter, you misunderstood. It was/is interesting. Just don't think it is any basis for determining which sectional is the "best" or toughest as some seemed to suggest following your posting of that data.
All good NCAC and I think it can provide some basis but not concrete by any means. It would be a good starting point in a debate but it won't be the main point you fall back on. At this point every section is tough and any of the 16 could win it.
My picks for best chance to win the championship:
1. Oneonta St.
2. Haverford
3. Loras
4. Wheaton
5. Amherst
6. Trinity
7. Brandeis
8. Lycoming
9. Kenyon
10. Tufts
11. F&M
12. Calvin
13. SLU
14. MIT
15. DePauw
16. St. Olaf
Now keep in mind this doesn't mean that I think say Lycoming is better than say Kenyon or Calvin...it just means that I think this is the order for best chance of getting to and winning the final and since I personally believe that the Northeast has the best teams I listed it that way because whoever comes out of that pod is probably going to the final.
So Oneonta St and Haverford winner needs to win one game to go to the final assuming they advance. Loras and Wheaton have cake walks so they are next up. Then the whole northeast sectional listed in order IMO of whose best to advance from that pod. After that the Mid-Atlantic pod comes into play as all 4 teams have a tough task in the sweet 16 and elite 8. Then the rest of the east pod followed by the central pod cinderella teams. All opinion and feel and some crazy logic is all :) ;D
WOW..How the mighty have fallen. Just catching the 1st Round of the D1 NCAA's and this is the 1st time I have seen UCONN this year. They barely look like a shell of how good they used to be in the 2000's. I cannot believe how far this program has dropped off...Certainly a couple D3 teams would have their number. maybe switching conferences hurt them in Soccer?
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 19, 2015, 12:55:52 PM
WOW..How the mighty have fallen. Just catching the 1st Round of the D1 NCAA's and this is the 1st time I have seen UCONN this year. They barely look like a shell of how good they used to be in the 2000's. I cannot believe how far this program has dropped off...Certainly a couple D3 teams would have their number. maybe switching conferences hurt them in Soccer?
I just started watching. Last time I watched UCONN was probably 1998 vs. Princeton. Princeton got crushed if I remember correctly. I was in high school then so its been a while! Looks like its 1-1. My feed keeps going in and out. Darn work WiFi!
Yea good game but UCONN used to be a national power with all those Jamaicans and other talent. Looks like they have a bunch of guys from Senegal but they do not look nearly as athletic, skilled or big as the Jamaicans of the 2000's.
Fast Food predictions since I have not seen Trinity TX, Lycoming, Kenyon, St.Olaf, Wheaton, Calvin or F&M
Tufts at Kenyon 1-0 Tufts. I am not seeing a lot of goals in this game. I have not seen Kenyon so have no idea how they play but I know of a couple of the players with ties to New England. 11am Friday morning game is ridiculous. Kenyon should not be FORCED to host this game at that time. There will be no home field advantage at that time. I can promise you coaches and players are pissed at that.
Calvin v F&M 1-0 Calvin. From the sound of it Calvin is a big, physical athletic team. Usually those teams survive rather well in November.
Lycoming at Amherst 0-1 Amherst. I know you Lycoming supporters are springing for an upset here but I am not seeing it on Amherst home field. Lycoming will need to be very disciplined and try to score early. I would go at the frosh on the back line and keep the ball on the ground. You will not win a war in the air v Amherst.
Trinity TX v Brandeis 1-0 Brandeis. I have a hunch this is Brandeis year to get back to the Final 4. One game at a time though. They are one of the hottest teams in the country right now and have played on this grass field enough to be comfortable. If they work as hard as they did last weekend they will win this rematch as long as the GK plays well and the backs do not play any short square balls that can be picked off. I hate that and I saw Brandeis do that a couple times against Thomas and RPI.
Wheaton v St.Olaf 2-0 Wheaton. I have seen neither team but I remember Wheaton from last year and they should be able to beat St. Olaf. However if Otterbein can make a D3 Final 4 than so can St. Olaf. Also, to top MSU they have 8 assistants and 53 players. Let's hope they play futbol and not football.
Loras v DePauw 3-0 Loras. This is your blow out special as I watched DePauw and Wash U and frankly was not impressed with either side but DePauw does not look like they are a team that scores a lot of goals and to me their GK looks average at BEST. All the makings of a blow out as Loras is another team playing its best as they are one of the hottest teams in the country.
SLU at Haverford 2-0 SLU. Mind you if I was predicting this game in early October I would have said Haverford 3-1 because SLU was in a serious funk and Haverford was playing some free flowing attacking futbol. I think Haverford has already hit their high note this season and drops this contest. SLU seems to be clicking but honestly they had a "free-ride" sectional for a team with 3 or 4 blemishes. Scranton, UMASS Boston and Sage being sent up to Canton you would have thought SLU was 17-1-0.
Oneonta st v MIT 0-0 PK's MIT. Upset special. MIT plays 10 deep all game and have 2 SOG but they frustrate Oneonta
Intelligent analysis.
All these teams can now smell a National Championship.
2 more wins and they will be able to taste it.....
Ahhhhh, smell that whif!!!!
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 19, 2015, 03:04:03 PMWheaton v St.Olaf 2-0 Wheaton. I have seen neither team but I remember Wheaton from last year and they should be able to beat St. Olaf. However if Otterbein can make a D3 Final 4 than so can St. Olaf. Also, to top MSU they have 8 assistants and 53 players. Let's hope they play futbol and not football.
Yeah, but does St. Olaf have a player with a 50-yard throw that allows any throw-in on the offensive side of the midfield stripe to turn into service into the box? Thanks to the unfortunte weather/field conditions and that throw-in, we all missed out on the highly anticipated Messiah/Trinity duel in the 2002 final. Of course, it allowed the debate of best D-III program to rage a few more years, so it was good for the message boards, I guess.
I will tell you this.
One more championship for 3 of those schools in the sweet 16 right now and they make the list of Elite programs along with
OWU/Wheaton/Messiah.
Criteria:
1. Consistent dancers
2. More than one Championship.
Time will tell.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 19, 2015, 03:04:03 PM
Fast Food predictions since I have not seen Trinity TX, Lycoming, Kenyon, St.Olaf, Wheaton, Calvin or F&M
Tufts at Kenyon 1-0 Tufts. I am not seeing a lot of goals in this game. I have not seen Kenyon so have no idea how they play but I know of a couple of the players with ties to New England. 11am Friday morning game is ridiculous. Kenyon should not be FORCED to host this game at that time. There will be no home field advantage at that time. I can promise you coaches and players are pissed at that.
Calvin v F&M 1-0 Calvin. From the sound of it Calvin is a big, physical athletic team. Usually those teams survive rather well in November.
Lycoming at Amherst 0-1 Amherst. I know you Lycoming supporters are springing for an upset here but I am not seeing it on Amherst home field. Lycoming will need to be very disciplined and try to score early. I would go at the frosh on the back line and keep the ball on the ground. You will not win a war in the air v Amherst.
Trinity TX v Brandeis 1-0 Brandeis. I have a hunch this is Brandeis year to get back to the Final 4. One game at a time though. They are one of the hottest teams in the country right now and have played on this grass field enough to be comfortable. If they work as hard as they did last weekend they will win this rematch as long as the GK plays well and the backs do not play any short square balls that can be picked off. I hate that and I saw Brandeis do that a couple times against Thomas and RPI.
Wheaton v St.Olaf 2-0 Wheaton. I have seen neither team but I remember Wheaton from last year and they should be able to beat St. Olaf. However if Otterbein can make a D3 Final 4 than so can St. Olaf. Also, to top MSU they have 8 assistants and 53 players. Let's hope they play futbol and not football.
Loras v DePauw 3-0 Loras. This is your blow out special as I watched DePauw and Wash U and frankly was not impressed with either side but DePauw does not look like they are a team that scores a lot of goals and to me their GK looks average at BEST. All the makings of a blow out as Loras is another team playing its best as they are one of the hottest teams in the country.
SLU at Haverford 2-0 SLU. Mind you if I was predicting this game in early October I would have said Haverford 3-1 because SLU was in a serious funk and Haverford was playing some free flowing attacking futbol. I think Haverford has already hit their high note this season and drops this contest. SLU seems to be clicking but honestly they had a "free-ride" sectional for a team with 3 or 4 blemishes. Scranton, UMASS Boston and Sage being sent up to Canton you would have thought SLU was 17-1-0.
Oneonta st v MIT 0-0 PK's MIT. Upset special. MIT plays 10 deep all game and have 2 SOG but they frustrate Oneonta
Don't disagree with your assessment. If I were to add my own opinion to your analysis I would think that there will be more than 1 goal scored between Calvin and F&M. Maybe a 2-1 win for Calvin if you have them winning. The other game would be Wheaton and St. Olaf. Wheaton can score in bunches but from what I have seen of them this year they give up garbage goals. 3-1 could be a good scoreline if you want that 2 goal advantage.
Mr. Right's Fast Food Predictions-Shooter McGavin Style
Tufts at Kenyon 1-0 Tufts. I am not seeing a lot of goals in this game either Mr. Right. Tufts is determined to get back to the final 4 and I think they get a good start with an early goal and ride it out for the win.
Calvin v F&M 2-1 F&M. I was a little unsure about F&M after their bad close to the season but they have been clicking in the tournament and I look for that to continue. Calvin is finally going to have a big test and I don't think they will respond.
Lycoming at Amherst 1-1 PK's Lycoming. Amherst on their home field is a tough task for the other 3 grouped in this sectional and Mr. Right is 100% correct in saying that you will not win a war in the air v Amherst. So I think Lycoming makes the proper adjustments and gives up a set piece goal but responds with a goal of their own late to send it to OT. And just like in 2013 a top tier team chokes as they are not accustom to this situation. Lycoming sneaks by in Pk's...barely, as Amherst slips up too early once again.
Trinity TX v Brandeis 2-0 Brandeis. They are one of the hottest teams in the country right now as Mr. Right mentioned and they dominated the game vs Trinity earlier this year for 70 of the 90 minutes. But Trinity pounced with 2 goals during that 20 minute span and the game was over. Revenge is a cruel thing as Brandeis comes out with a chip on their shoulder and takes care of business after a slow start in the opening rounds of the tournament. The jet lag and weather get's to Trinity's head and they go down a man with a red card due to a mental error as Brandeis rides out the 2-0 lead.
Wheaton v St.Olaf 4-2 Wheaton. A high scoring affair as Wheaton's offense is as dynamic as they come but they go into the break tied at 2 with a stingy St. Olaf team. Unfortunately the wheels finally fall off and Wheaton ends Cinderella's dream.
Loras v DePauw 2-1 Loras. Loras comes out with 2 quick goals in the first 15 minutes and continues to attack with vengeance. DePauw scores late but it's not enough and Loras advances to the Elite 8.
SLU at Haverford 2-1 SLU. Haverford should win but they overlook a very strong SLU team and get tossed around at home. SLU scores early in both halves and advances to meet Oneonta St.
Oneonta st v MIT 3-1 Oneonta St. This was Mr. Right's upset pick but I am not buying it. Oneonta St has been my pick all year and that's not going to change now. Oneonta rolls past MIT and is set on getting to Kansas City. This may be the best team in the country right now.
Loras Sectional moved up to 12 and 2:30pm on Friday due to expectation of snow. Saturday's sectional final is still scheduled for 5pm as of this point in time.
Quote from: Brother Flounder on November 16, 2015, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 16, 2015, 10:55:22 AM
Some of the match-ups are really compelling. Who would expect Brandeis to be playing Trinity, and bizarrely they already played once this season! That game will have no impact on this one. Brandeis is tournament tough. Agree they play very good soccer but also have an edge and toughness. Haverford and SLU should be great, and F&M vs Calvin is another odd pair which could go either way. These unusual pairings are offset by an expected Loras-Wheaton classic showdown.
I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen Tufts vs Kenyon. This is the kind of game I wish we could see as an early regular season match-up. Most here will pick Tufts and Kenyon will NOT be favored. An odd thing about Kenyon is that they were ranked #2 in the country about 90% of last season and top 5 90% of this season, and yet they seemed like the underdog every time they played OWU both years and I think that will be the case against Tufts. Kenyon is 36-3-2 (I think) over the past two seasons. Sort of strange to have a team ranked higher (substantially higher) for the large majority of two years still being doubted so much when they play a big team. But this past weekend's results certainly did nothing to quell doubts and until a Kenyon or F&M fully breaks through the doubts will continue.
The game is at Kenyon and Kenyon is rated higher, so why wouldn't they be the favorite? Plus, see the bracketology in this forum below:
Massey Ratings 51 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS CALVIN AMHERST CALVIN AMHERST
Flying Weasel 50 AMHERST ONEONTA ST LORAS KENYON AMHERST LORAS LORAS
RUMSU 50 BRANDEIS HAVERFORD LORAS MSU HAVERFORD MSU HAVERFORD
Consensus 49 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
blooter442 49 AMHERST ONEONTA ST WHEATON MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
Golden_Fan 49 AMHERST ONEONTA ST WHEATON MSU ONEONTA ST MSU MSU
casualfan 48 BRANDEIS HAVERFORD WHEATON KENYON BRANDEIS KENYON KENYON
NJrexSoccer03 46 AMHERST R-CAMDEN LORAS MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
WarhawkFan 45 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS KENYON HAVERFORD KENYON HAVERFORD
HeroSports 44 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS KENYON HAVERFORD KENYON HAVERFORD
NERevs127 44 BRANDEIS HAVERFORD WHEATON KENYON HAVERFORD KENYON KENYON
Mr.Right 43 AMHERST ONEONTA ST LORAS CHICAGO ONEONTA ST LORAS LORAS
Letthekidsplay59 43 BRANDEIS BOWDOIN WASH (MO) CHICAGO BRANDEIS CHICAGO BRANDEIS
Shooter McGavin 42 LYCOMING ONEONTA ST LORAS OWU ONEONTA ST LORAS ONEONTA ST
D3 Scout 42 AMHERST R-CAMDEN U-WW OWU AMHERST UW-W AMHERST
dontshootthegoose 42 AMHERST HAVERFORD LORAS F&M AMHERST F&M AMHERST
wingtips2 42 STEVENS SLU WHEATON KENYON SLU KENYON KENYON
Mid-Atlantic Fan 41 AMHERST HAVERFORD WHEATON MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
NCAC New England 41 AMHERST SLU U-WW KENYON SLU KENYON KENYON
lastguyoffthebench 39 AMHERST R-CAMDEN WHEATON MSU AMHERST MSU AMHERST
You mean Massey Ratings is doing better than every single human entrant? That's really quite remarkable. Considerably better than HeroSports too.
I'd love to see the D3Soccer.com poll and NCAA regional rankings added. I realize they wouldn't be able to predict all games, but you could compare their W/L record to the other sources for the games they can predict. For the NCAA regional rankings, I guess you'd have to use the last public ones. My guess is that they will be pretty far down in predictive accuracy.
Any other people have thoughts on the games?
Would love to hear from the guys who are regular writers.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 19, 2015, 03:51:39 PM
Mr. Right's Fast Food Predictions-Shooter McGavin Style
Tufts at Kenyon 1-0 Tufts. I am not seeing a lot of goals in this game either Mr. Right. Tufts is determined to get back to the final 4 and I think they get a good start with an early goal and ride it out for the win.
Calvin v F&M 2-1 F&M. I was a little unsure about F&M after their bad close to the season but they have been clicking in the tournament and I look for that to continue. Calvin is finally going to have a big test and I don't think they will respond.
Lycoming at Amherst 1-1 PK's Lycoming. Amherst on their home field is a tough task for the other 3 grouped in this sectional and Mr. Right is 100% correct in saying that you will not win a war in the air v Amherst. So I think Lycoming makes the proper adjustments and gives up a set piece goal but responds with a goal of their own late to send it to OT. And just like in 2013 a top tier team chokes as they are not accustom to this situation. Lycoming sneaks by in Pk's...barely, as Amherst slips up too early once again.
Trinity TX v Brandeis 2-0 Brandeis. They are one of the hottest teams in the country right now as Mr. Right mentioned and they dominated the game vs Trinity earlier this year for 70 of the 90 minutes. But Trinity pounced with 2 goals during that 20 minute span and the game was over. Revenge is a cruel thing as Brandeis comes out with a chip on their shoulder and takes care of business after a slow start in the opening rounds of the tournament. The jet lag and weather get's to Trinity's head and they go down a man with a red card due to a mental error as Brandeis rides out the 2-0 lead.
Wheaton v St.Olaf 4-2 Wheaton. A high scoring affair as Wheaton's offense is as dynamic as they come but they go into the break tied at 2 with a stingy St. Olaf team. Unfortunately the wheels finally fall off and Wheaton ends Cinderella's dream.
Loras v DePauw 2-1 Loras. Loras comes out with 2 quick goals in the first 15 minutes and continues to attack with vengeance. DePauw scores late but it's not enough and Loras advances to the Elite 8.
SLU at Haverford 2-1 SLU. Haverford should win but they overlook a very strong SLU team and get tossed around at home. SLU scores early in both halves and advances to meet Oneonta St.
Oneonta st v MIT 3-1 Oneonta St. This was Mr. Right's upset pick but I am not buying it. Oneonta St has been my pick all year and that's not going to change now. Oneonta rolls past MIT and is set on getting to Kansas City. This may be the best team in the country right now.
NCAC's picks (because after all I'm at the bottom of the bracketology pool)
Tufts vs Kenyon -- No comment
Calvin vs F&M -- Calvin's comeback win over OWU was the most impressive psychological performance of the tournament thus far, considering what OWU means/represents to Calvin, playing at OWU, going down a goal and getting pummeled, and finding a way back while their unbeaten season was slipping away. Getting through that kind of game alive combined with F&M having no psychic advantages over Calvin going into the game means that Calvin will feel confident and play its game. F&M has a seed of doubt and will be in trouble if they go down early whereas I think Calvin could overcome a 1-goal deficit. Calvin 2-1 (maybe 3-1).
Lycoming vs Amherst -- Amherst 2-0. No upset happening here even though Lycoming better than that prediction suggests. Lycoming just got an unlucky draw having to play Amherst at Amherst.
Trinity vs Brandeis -- An almost impossible game to predict. My heart says Brandeis but my head says Brandeis will need more than 1 goal unless they get another in OT or get through on PKs. Trinity 2-1 OT.
SLU vs Haverford -- I picked SLU to get to Kansas City as a semi-darkhorse pick, but that was before knowing for sure that they'd get Haverford at Haverford. Despite the sudden Oneonta hype, no team has been better and more consistent than Haverford. The Fords have been given more than ample opportunity for a stumble and haven't yet. One could surmise that the moment will be too big for them, but the vibe they've given and the way they've won some games suggest exactly the opposite. Haverford 3-1 (really a 2-1 game but Fords get another late when SLU is in desperation mode).
MIT vs Oneonta -- The upset pick is tempting here, as in an overall group of games so even this looks like one of the ones closest to having a very clear favorite. OK, yes, I think Oneonta is vulnerable to thinking this one is already in the bag, and MIT is 18-2-1 after all. Getting through Bowdoin makes me believe MIT can beat a big boy. MIT 2-1.
DePauw vs Loras -- Perhaps the game that most screams blowout and yet something is making me hesitate. Partly because DePauw did beat Loras 2-0, partly because I'm not quite sure how good Loras is (compared to recent Loras teams), and partly because I've underestimated DePauw all year. My head says 3-0 or 4-1 Loras, but what the heck, I'll go DePauw 2-1 OT.
St Olaf vs Wheaton -- Another strong candidate for a relative blowout, but that's mostly because of St. Olaf's record and some vague (likely very incorrect) sense that the Oles are soft and sort of a fluke Sweet 16 participant. Something tells me St Olaf is better than we think -- won MIAC regular season last year and the MIAC always has some good teams, and this year in addition to Macalester has played Loras, UW-W, Chicago and UW-Osh. This won't be like a Keuka playing a powerhouse for the first time. I'm gonna guess that the Oles scare the daylights out of Wheaton with Wheaton winning in double OT 3-2.
My picks for Elite 8:
Lycoming
Trinity
Loras
Wheaton (Ill)
Haverford
SUNY Oneonta
Kenyon
F&M
My Picks for Elite 8:
Kenyon
Calvin
Amherst
Trinity
SLU
Oneonta St
Loras
Wheaton
Final 4:
Kenyon
Oneonta St
Wheaton
Amherst
Final:
Oneonta St 3- Kenyon 2
Quote from: Puerco Espin on November 19, 2015, 05:33:00 PM
Loras Sectional moved up to 12 and 2:30pm on Friday due to expectation of snow. Saturday's sectional final is still scheduled for 5pm as of this point in time.
I am surprised they moved this game for snow. It say's a couple of inches. However, the temps would have been in the upper 20's. That is frigid. Still temps are not going to rise past mid 30's.
For reference....2013 sweet 16 & elite 8 weekend had temps single digits without wind chill which were rumored to be in the negatives. All games were still played in the evening. All weather sources have different information, but winter storm warning "guarantees" 6+ inches this evening through tomorrow morning. Depending on the amount of snow, wouldn't be surprised if Saturday's 5pm kick off gets pushed back to later in the evening.
Quote from: Footy23 on November 20, 2015, 10:00:06 AM
For reference....2013 sweet 16 & elite 8 weekend had temps single digits without wind chill which were rumored to be in the negatives. All games were still played in the evening. All weather sources have different information, but winter storm warning "guarantees" 6+ inches this evening through tomorrow morning. Depending on the amount of snow, wouldn't be surprised if Saturday's 5pm kick off gets pushed back to later in the evening.
Sounds like the 2002 final held at St Lawrence where they had to shovel the snow off the field.
Gonna suck when the Kenyon video jams....hopefully not....Gambier literally is in the middle of nowhere...lucky to have any internet connection at all juxtaposed to the Amish lined up on Middle Path selling their wares out of their buggies...
I am hearing that it's a beautiful day, though...almost perfect for soccer..
Tufts at Kenyon: 2-1 Tufts
I respect the hell out of Kenyon and if they win this game, they become my favorite to go to the final 4, but as the old saying goes "never underestimate the heart of a Champion".
Calvin 2 F+M 0
Calvin is a dangerous team.
Lycoming 1 Amherst 2
This is the best chance the Lord Jeffs have of making the final 4.
Trinity 1 Brandies 0
This one could honestly go either way I think.
Wheaton 3 St. Olaf 1
You cannot bet against Wheaton. When they lose they lose to eventual champions, not sure if St. Olaf is there yet.
Loras 2 Depaw 0
Loras has too much.
SLU Haverford
May the best team win.
Oneonta 2 MIT1
This might be the game of the weekend.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 10:40:32 AM
Gonna suck when the Kenyon video jams....hopefully not....Gambier literally is in the middle of nowhere...lucky to have any internet connection at all juxtaposed to the Amish lined up on Middle Path selling their wares out of their buggies...
I am hearing that it's a beautiful day, though...almost perfect for soccer..
Oh c'mon you think the stream is going to freeze?
Stream looks good right now.
Never seen starters keep their coats on when they are announcing
Phenomenal hype video for the teams at Loras https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTtABOAy_Jw
Tufts wearing Home Whites...That is interesting, I wonder why they did that
Kenyon possessing well and their plan seems to be to hit 20-30 yard balls over the top of Tufts CB's and run on to them.
15 minutes in and neither team has had a sniff at goal. Pretty uneventful so far
Greenwood bobbled and almost dropped a high ball...Kenyon nearly had an opportunity from nothing. Tufts looks dangerous on the counter.
Kenyon's high pressing is unsettling the Tufts D, particularly Coleman. He's lost the ball in his own half a few times so far.
Tufts scores first, great header from Majumder from the corner. Was just about to make the point that Tufts is simply trying to win corners and hope for opportunities from set pieces, and so it proved.
Connor Brown works his magic down the left flank and draws a corner..Another SET Piece goal for Tufts. GK had no chance
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Official hosts: Haverford, Amherst, Kenyon, Loras.
http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/soccer-men_d3_2015.pdf
Gotta say I'm surprised it's not at F&M, but not completely shocked.
Makes perfect sense by seed. And is Kenyon borrowing OWU field?? That also would make sense, as weird as that will be.
Pretty sure that's just a typo based off of Kenyon's website.
Also 11 and 1:30 on Friday? Who decided on those times?!?
Agree, 11a is a tough start time - for fans too. But, those are the start times for the national semi-finals in the years when the men play the early set of games. It may give the more tournament-experienced team a bit of an edge if they have already played at the earlier time and have been through the early game routine. In 2010 Messiah went up 2-0 on W-Oshkosh before Oshkosh had woken up. Not making excuses, but I think the early start and 2 week layoff is a bit of a challenge for teams the first time through.
How hard did he hit that!!!!
Im sorry that is a complete HOMER call..I did not see a hand ball...
What a penalty by Barnes. 1-1. He's gone that same high corner a few times, and he hits it extremely well every time - no chance for any of the 'keepers. I thought this time he would go for a different spot, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
WOW. In three minutes, Tufts went from up 1-0 and cruising to down 2-1. Unreal.
I missed the goal...What happened there? Tufts better get back in to this game as they look deflated right now
Ball into the box, scrum, finished off. Absolutely nothing special but Tufts went to sleep there.
Bloots,
Was that a legit PK? It looked unintentional.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 11:33:53 AM
Bloots,
Was that a legit PK? It looked unintentional.
Don't think so, didn't see any handball. I thought maybe someone got taken down when the ball got played in. Tufts has looked completely rattled since that goal went in.
Yes agreed. They were in such a good rhythm and now look all out of sorts...They have to stay close before halftime, they cannot give up another goal.
Prediction for 2nd Half? Does Kenyon sit back and hold on? Or do they keep attacking and try for the 3rd goal for the dagger.
I think Kenyon has looked vastly superior going forward, and they have Tufts rattled - Sullivan and Coleman are not playing well at all defensively - so they'll like their chances attacking for the dagger. Think it was smart to bring Zinner on for Schiable on Tufts' part, as he offers a lot more attacking potential than Schiable does.
Futbol is such a great game and hard to predict. Tufts comes out of the gate flying and connecting and look strong. Then a questionable PK and Tufts looked demoralized. Kenyon looks very dangerous going forward and you are correct Tufts to CB's are showing us why the graduation of Kramer and Williams have hurt the most. Tufts has come back against 2 teams already this NCAA tournament, let's see if they can this game. My hunch say's NO and that is why in October I predicted Tufts to exit in the Sweet 16.
The "Live Events" scores has the wrong teams scores up. they have DePauw v Loras going right now with a 1-0 score line and the match doesn't start for another 30 minutes.
Loras Section is going to be crazy with the amount of snow that is predicted to drop, especially the 2nd match. I am about 2 hours straight west of Dubuque and we have about 1/2" so far.
Kenyon tufts second half starting out slow. tufts getting frustrated with the refs and neither team attacking with a purpose.
Kenyon/Tufts getting a little chippy! Not much soccer being played in this match up to begin with. Kenyon seems content to play long ball after long ball. Tufts attempted for about 5 minutes of the second half to knock it around. Is this how these two teams play? Always this direct. Reminds me of the old NJAC (Kick and Run and Beat someone up).
Kenyon can not keep up with the physicality of Tufts.
I'm glad tufts scored. forces both teams to play soccer again. not kick and chase
Tufts usually tries to possess but Kenyon taking them out of the their game a bit...Missed Tufts 2nd goal....Anyone see how they score?
And I predicted a low scoring game..HA...I would not have thought we have seen 4 goals
If I were Tufts I would go for the win because Kenyon looks good in PK's.
Someone needs to wake up Tufts Connor Brown. Besides 1 Nice run in the 1st half he has not gotten many touches and has disappeared from the game.
Ok Connor Brown just awoke and draws another corner for Tufts..Good run down the flank
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 12:40:48 PM
Tufts usually tries to possess but Kenyon taking them out of the their game a bit...Missed Tufts 2nd goal....Anyone see how they score?
And I predicted a low scoring game..HA...I would not have thought we have seen 4 goals
Tufts win a second ball in their defensive third and connect 3-4 passes down the right flank. Short cross into the 18 and the forward is about 8 yards out brings it down with thigh/chest and puts one past the keeper. First time we witnessed soccer this second half and it ends in a goal. Also might have been the 1st second ball that Tufts one and they turn it into a goal.
Keep me posted guys. I have to go to a Q&A with Carli Llyod at my work. I will try to check my phone when I can.
Majumder with another 2 goals today. He has to win Nescac Most Improved Player.
Wow. Kenyon scores with 20 second left. A very nice shot from the top of the 18. The build up was more of a scrum and putting the ball into the box 3 or 4 times.
The king is dead... Long live the King.
And the DAGGER...Kenyon 3-2 with a rip with 18 seconds left. Tough way to end your season for Tufts but Kenyon deserved it. Very even game though and surprisingly a GREAT crowd for 11am kickoff.
5 goals and it was an entertaining Sweet 16 match-up. Congrats to Tufts on a great 2015 campaign and they can hold their heads high as for the players lost to graduation last year, Tufts did better than I would of expected.
One note about Kenyon----They really need to get better play from their outside backs. They were getting exposed quite a bit and they can be beat 1v1. That will need to change if they advance to The Final 4.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 01:00:07 PM
And the DAGGER...Kenyon 3-2 with a rip with 18 seconds left. Tough way to end your season for Tufts but Kenyon deserved it. Very even game though and surprisingly a GREAT crowd for 11am kickoff.
5 goals and it was an entertaining Sweet 16 match-up. Congrats to Tufts on a great 2015 campaign and they can hold their heads high as for the players lost to graduation last year, Tufts did better than I would of expected.
Please tell me by entertaining you just mean goals and that the last goal happened with 20 second left. The rest was kind of watching middle school kids play kick ball. I wasn't impressed for seeing these teams for the first time. Please someone give me an excuse as to why? Weather? Looked a little windy?
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Quote from: Mr.Right on November 19, 2015, 03:04:03 PMWheaton v St.Olaf 2-0 Wheaton. I have seen neither team but I remember Wheaton from last year and they should be able to beat St. Olaf. However if Otterbein can make a D3 Final 4 than so can St. Olaf. Also, to top MSU they have 8 assistants and 53 players. Let's hope they play futbol and not football.
Yeah, but does St. Olaf have a player with a 50-yard throw that allows any throw-in on the offensive side of the midfield stripe to turn into service into the box? Thanks to the unfortunte weather/field conditions and that throw-in, we all missed out on the highly anticipated Messiah/Trinity duel in the 2002 final. Of course, it allowed the debate of best D-III program to rage a few more years, so it was good for the message boards, I guess.
Lochner was ridiculous...
That was a good Otterbein team, strong at the back, Rose in the middle, Angelo up front.
Congrats to Kenyon. Thought Tufts dominated second half but Kenyon held up for the Win
Kenyon kardiac kids!
Great competitive game. Thought Kenyon was dead after letting Majumder get one Clougher should have stopped. Refs let Majumder get away with highway robbery out there. Lords win without star mid NCAC Newcomer of Year Carmona. Barnes played game of his life. Frosh CB Lowry was unreal. Eudy very good today. Tufts kept Amolo mostly out of game and Kenyon locked down Kayne. Was going to take something special to knock out Tufts, and Tufts very well might have won national title if they got through that game.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 01:01:53 PM
One note about Kenyon----They really need to get better play from their outside backs. They were getting exposed quite a bit and they can be beat 1v1. That will need to change if they advance to The Final 4.
Their left back was taken advantage of again this week - second Tufts goal. I thought Tufts did a better job keeping possession than other comments made here. Kenyon tried to bunker in - second half - and paid for it. Some very sloppy touches from some of their players. Surprised Amolo stayed in as long as he did second half - not a 90 minute player!
But this is two weekends that I have seen freshman #28 - he made that winning goal. Very poised - needs to hit the weight room -but crafty as hell.
On the handling call - maybe the arm was a little wide - could have gone with a "ball to arm" if the CR wished - but on a shot from 12 yards it's difficult not to call it..
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 20, 2015, 01:06:06 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 01:00:07 PM
And the DAGGER...Kenyon 3-2 with a rip with 18 seconds left. Tough way to end your season for Tufts but Kenyon deserved it. Very even game though and surprisingly a GREAT crowd for 11am kickoff.
5 goals and it was an entertaining Sweet 16 match-up. Congrats to Tufts on a great 2015 campaign and they can hold their heads high as for the players lost to graduation last year, Tufts did better than I would of expected.
Please tell me by entertaining you just mean goals and that the last goal happened with 20 second left. The rest was kind of watching middle school kids play kick ball. I wasn't impressed for seeing these teams for the first time. Please someone give me an excuse as to why? Weather? Looked a little windy?
Those were two good teams battling it out. Looked like a traditional NESCAC battle. Kenyon would do well in Nescac. As you move on in the tournament games start getting scrappy and good teams can disrupt goods teams. Not sure what you were expecting...Sorry to say but your NJAC is just as comparable.
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 20, 2015, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 01:01:53 PM
One note about Kenyon----They really need to get better play from their outside backs. They were getting exposed quite a bit and they can be beat 1v1. That will need to change if they advance to The Final 4.
Their left back was taken advantage of again this week - second Tufts goal. I thought Tufts did a better job keeping possession than other comments made here. Kenyon tried to bunker in - second half - and paid for it. Some very sloppy touches from some of their players. Surprised Amolo stayed in as long as he did second half - not a 90 minute player!
But this is two weekends that I have seen freshman #28 - he made that winning goal. Very poised - needs to hit the weight room -but crafty as hell.
On the handling call - maybe the arm was a little wide - could have gone with a "ball to arm" if the CR wished - but on a shot from 12 yards it's difficult not to call it..
Agreed NJrex is being overly critical and I also agree that the HANDBALL was a gift for Kenyon.
Loras already up 1-0 against DePauw
An entertaining game indeed, and I'm glad it was that as opposed to a 1-0 snoozefest. I think Kenyon deserved the win on the balance of play, although Tufts gave them a run for their money in a great encounter.
Class ball by Pinheiro and a great header from Majumder to go one up. I think the penalty was a bit questionable but Barnes did so well to put it top shelf, few players will take that risk but he's done it three times in recent weeks and nailed it every time. Kenyon's second was scrappy but was a huge momentum shifter. Tufts did not look good defensively for the rest of the first half, but they grew back into it.
When Tufts tied it up at 2-2 I thought we were seeing scenes of last week against Montclair State where they would come back to win 3-2, but what a great goal by Kenyon to win it. A heartbreaker for Tufts and virtually no time to respond. The worst way to lose it, but the best way to win it.
Thought that if Tufts won this that they were well and truly in a good position for Final 4 and possibly another title, but I think Kenyon is just a little bit more refined and that was ultimately the difference. Jumbos had a great run though and they have nothing to be ashamed of, and were certainly more competitive this year than most would have expected. They lose Kayne, Pinheiro, Brown, Schiable, and Patel, which is 5 of their starting 11, but with Majumder back next year and Greenwood returning and with Sullivan and Coleman a year more experienced I think their spine is still intact. The big question is in midfield, and Zach Halliday will have to be big for them as a leader in central midfield, but if they can re-stock there then I think they will be OK. Kayne is a huge loss though, and one that we won't fully understand the impact of until next year.
Kenyon has an excellent shot at Final 4. I think they are better than F&M and Calvin, but regardless of who they play I think they'll fancy their chances.
Yes Tufts loses alot but they have reloaded for midfield as the Seton Hall Prep Frosh coming in Brett Rojas who I have seen a couple times is the real deal. He will be starting and contributing right away.
I thought overall Kenyon's D was good....obviously had trouble with the physicality of Majumder but Tufts didn't have a ton of great chances even though they were controlling play looking for an equalizer. Kenyon's CBs I thought were really good. Myers (one of CBs and kid who got the GW) made one huge mistake late in 2nd half going on a run deep into Tufts end and coughing up ball which put Tufts in space. Becharano (sp?) 2nd most dangerous Tufts player for me today. Kenyon really limited Kayne who I barely noticed and also Patel for the most part. Conversely, Amolo didn't get any good looks either. I thought Barnes was the difference for the Lords today, closely followed by CB Lowry.
Really did not know what to expect. Sort of thought Tufts would win but also hard to see Kenyon losing Sweet 16 game 2 years in a row on home field. Big breakthrough game for Kenyon. Will see if they can back it up tomorrow.
Anyone has having trouble finding the Calvin fm game feed ??
I thought Kenyon's CB's were excellent, I just thought their wingbacks looked like the weak link. They were getting exposed a bit and look very susceptible 1 v 1. Connor Brown was getting behind the right back 1 v 1 when he got the ball wide. I thought Tufts did a poor job od spacing and switching fields to take advantage out wide.
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 01:46:10 PM
Anyone has having trouble finding the Calvin fm game feed ??
http://portal.stretchinternet.com/kenyon/portal.htm?eventId=253909&streamType=video
End of the 1st half. Loras up 2-0 and completely handling DePauw. Mike Gordon with a beautiful half volley.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 20, 2015, 01:53:31 PM
End of the 1st half. Loras up 2-0 and completely handling DePauw. Mike Gordon with a beautiful half volley.
Anyone that has seen DePauw this NCAA tournament could have(I did) predict this game as the blowout Sweet 16 pick.
F&M goalkeeper doesn't take his 6 kicks....
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And the DAGGER...Kenyon 3-2 with a rip with 18 seconds left. Tough way to end your season for Tufts but Kenyon deserved it. Very even game though and surprisingly a GREAT crowd for 11am kickoff.
5 goals and it was an entertaining Sweet 16 match-up. Congrats to Tufts on a great 2015 campaign and they can hold their heads high as for the players lost to graduation last year, Tufts did better than I would of expected.
Please tell me by entertaining you just mean goals and that the last goal happened with 20 second left. The rest was kind of watching middle school kids play kick ball. I wasn't impressed for seeing these teams for the first time. Please someone give me an excuse as to why? Weather? Looked a little windy?
Those were two good teams battling it out. Looked like a traditional NESCAC battle. Kenyon would do well in Nescac. As you move on in the tournament games start getting scrappy and good teams can disrupt goods teams. Not sure what you were expecting...Sorry to say but your NJAC is just as comparable.
Unfortunately my support is not with the NJAC. I live in NJ my support is for a central PA team.
Loras clearly dominating this game.. Man do I hate the 3-4-3/kickball soccer, but my god it's effective. Like always, Loras is peaking at the right time. Representing the North valiantly.
Calvin goes 1-0 up on F&M. Deflected goal off a set piece. Neither team really imposing itself exceptionally, but hopefully that goal will wake up the match as Tufts' first goal did against Kenyon.
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 20, 2015, 02:05:48 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 01:18:22 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 20, 2015, 01:06:06 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 01:00:07 PM
And the DAGGER...Kenyon 3-2 with a rip with 18 seconds left. Tough way to end your season for Tufts but Kenyon deserved it. Very even game though and surprisingly a GREAT crowd for 11am kickoff.
5 goals and it was an entertaining Sweet 16 match-up. Congrats to Tufts on a great 2015 campaign and they can hold their heads high as for the players lost to graduation last year, Tufts did better than I would of expected.
Please tell me by entertaining you just mean goals and that the last goal happened with 20 second left. The rest was kind of watching middle school kids play kick ball. I wasn't impressed for seeing these teams for the first time. Please someone give me an excuse as to why? Weather? Looked a little windy?
Those were two good teams battling it out. Looked like a traditional NESCAC battle. Kenyon would do well in Nescac. As you move on in the tournament games start getting scrappy and good teams can disrupt goods teams. Not sure what you were expecting...Sorry to say but your NJAC is just as comparable.
Unfortunately my support is not with the NJAC. I live in NJ my support is for a central PA team.
What is it with you guys and hating NJ teams...
and it's just a curious question. don't come back at me all hostile either. let's all be friends
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:22:59 PM
and it's just a curious question. don't come back at me all hostile either. let's all be friends
Don't put me in the category. I don't hate NJ soccer. I grew up there and played in the Princeton programs. I just played 4 years at a central pa school so my support is with them.
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 20, 2015, 02:24:51 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:22:59 PM
and it's just a curious question. don't come back at me all hostile either. let's all be friends
Don't put me in the category. I don't hate NJ soccer. I grew up there and played in the Princeton programs. I just played 4 years at a central pa school so my support is with them.
not you man sorry I was actually going to say this wasnt directed towards you.
Nobody hates the NJ teams. 80% of the posters here picked Montclair to get to Final 4, and many of us marveled at MSU-RUC tourney final.
Loras looks like they are packing it in and forcing DePauw to come at them. Not my favorite tactic, ugly but effective. Gotta be careful, because DePauw can score given the opportunity.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Nobody hates the NJ teams. 80% of the posters here picked Montclair to get to Final 4, and many of us marveled at MSU-RUC tourney final.
Fair enough. I just feel as though there is animosity towards the NJ teams. I mean you have to give us a break anyway we are from Jersey...
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Nobody hates the NJ teams. 80% of the posters here picked Montclair to get to Final 4, and many of us marveled at MSU-RUC tourney final.
Fair enough. I just feel as though there is animosity towards the NJ teams. I mean you have to give us a break anyway we are from Jersey...
Did you follow the thread? Only reason any mention made of NJ was because a poster (apparently a NJ poster by screen name) cracked on quality of Tufts and Kenyon.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Nobody hates the NJ teams. 80% of the posters here picked Montclair to get to Final 4, and many of us marveled at MSU-RUC tourney final.
Fair enough. I just feel as though there is animosity towards the NJ teams. I mean you have to give us a break anyway we are from Jersey...
Did you follow the thread? Only reason any mention made of NJ was because a poster (apparently a NJ poster by screen name) cracked on quality of Tufts and Kenyon.
Exactly..Not sure how you can base your opinion of teams by watching them for game in the NCAA's. You really need to watch a team a couple times to get a thorough opinion. It looked like a typical Nescac affair to me and if he did not like that game wait until he see's Amherst play Lycoming....
DePauw makes it interesting as they convert a PK to make it 2-1 with 11 to play.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Nobody hates the NJ teams. 80% of the posters here picked Montclair to get to Final 4, and many of us marveled at MSU-RUC tourney final.
Fair enough. I just feel as though there is animosity towards the NJ teams. I mean you have to give us a break anyway we are from Jersey...
Did you follow the thread? Only reason any mention made of NJ was because a poster (apparently a NJ poster by screen name) cracked on quality of Tufts and Kenyon.
Exactly..Not sure how you can base your opinion of teams by watching them for game in the NCAA's. You really need to watch a team a couple times to get a thorough opinion. It looked like a typical Nescac affair to me and if he did not like that game wait until he see's Amherst play Lycoming....
Honestly, I think you can easily base your opinion off a team in one game. It's how some scouting reports are done. You can see a lot about the players in one game. How they react in certain situations. The skill of a player. The mental side of a player. The tendencies of a player. Especially in big games, as most players resort to what works for them under pressure. I in no way said I thought the teams were terrible. The style of play might work for them. I just said I was not impressed. Were you impressed by how both sides played today? Would you say they were at their best or close to their usual caliber? Assuming you watch them more then once of course.
If you read my post. I was questioning what he thought was exciting about the game and mentioned the fact that there were 5 goals. As a majority of the game was from kicking a ball 20-30yds like a hot potato. Just not the style of play that is entertaining to me. I guess from reading posts about Tufts I was expecting a team to actually be organized. You can say they were organized defensively and have a style of play of kicking and running. Maybe instead of asking for an excuse. I should have asked the question "is this how these two teams play all the time?" I wouldn't mind hearing answers to that question.
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Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 20, 2015, 01:53:31 PM
End of the 1st half. Loras up 2-0 and completely handling DePauw. Mike Gordon with a beautiful half volley.
Anyone that has seen DePauw this NCAA tournament could have(I did) predict this game as the blowout Sweet 16 pick.
And you hang on for the win. Real blowout...
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Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:02:30 PM
F&M goalkeeper doesn't take his 6 kicks....
What's a 6 kick?
Believe he is referring to a Goal Kick ... taken from the 6 yard box. Apparently someone other than the goalie is taking them.
;D Well Done Duhawks
not the prettiest second half..pack it sometimes comes back to bite you in da arse
On to the elite 8
If the snow keeps coming down..should make for a fun match betwee the Ole's and Thunder
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 20, 2015, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Nobody hates the NJ teams. 80% of the posters here picked Montclair to get to Final 4, and many of us marveled at MSU-RUC tourney final.
Fair enough. I just feel as though there is animosity towards the NJ teams. I mean you have to give us a break anyway we are from Jersey...
Did you follow the thread? Only reason any mention made of NJ was because a poster (apparently a NJ poster by screen name) cracked on quality of Tufts and Kenyon.
Exactly..Not sure how you can base your opinion of teams by watching them for game in the NCAA's. You really need to watch a team a couple times to get a thorough opinion. It looked like a typical Nescac affair to me and if he did not like that game wait until he see's Amherst play Lycoming....
Honestly, I think you can easily base your opinion off a team in one game. It's how some scouting reports are done. You can see a lot about the players in one game. How they react in certain situations. The skill of a player. The mental side of a player. The tendencies of a player. Especially in big games, as most players resort to what works for them under pressure. I in no way said I thought the teams were terrible. The style of play might work for them. I just said I was not impressed. Were you impressed by how both sides played today? Would you say they were at their best or close to their usual caliber? Assuming you watch them more then once of course.
If you read my post. I was questioning what he thought was exciting about the game and mentioned the fact that there were 5 goals. As a majority of the game was from kicking a ball 20-30yds like a hot potato. Just not the style of play that is entertaining to me. I guess from reading posts about Tufts I was expecting a team to actually be organized. You can say they were organized defensively and have a style of play of kicking and running. Maybe instead of asking for an excuse. I should have asked the question "is this how these two teams play all the time?" I wouldn't mind hearing answers to that question.
I'll be honest with you. In our 3rd Sweet 16 in 3 years (and second at home) after not advancing prior 2 years I could not care less how they looked. Survive and advance.
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Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 01:57:00 PM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 20, 2015, 01:53:31 PM
End of the 1st half. Loras up 2-0 and completely handling DePauw. Mike Gordon with a beautiful half volley.
Anyone that has seen DePauw this NCAA tournament could have(I did) predict this game as the blowout Sweet 16 pick.
And you hang on for the win. Real blowout...
Believe me they DuHawks had no trouble handling the Tigers. The PK was the only thing that gave them a glimpse of hope. After they converted they threw everything including the kitchen sink. When Loras decided to attack again it was business as usual. The 2nd half was all DePauw because Loras allowed them to bring it to them. DePauw had no real threats until after the PK.
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 20, 2015, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Nobody hates the NJ teams. 80% of the posters here picked Montclair to get to Final 4, and many of us marveled at MSU-RUC tourney final.
Fair enough. I just feel as though there is animosity towards the NJ teams. I mean you have to give us a break anyway we are from Jersey...
Did you follow the thread? Only reason any mention made of NJ was because a poster (apparently a NJ poster by screen name) cracked on quality of Tufts and Kenyon.
Exactly..Not sure how you can base your opinion of teams by watching them for game in the NCAA's. You really need to watch a team a couple times to get a thorough opinion. It looked like a typical Nescac affair to me and if he did not like that game wait until he see's Amherst play Lycoming....
Honestly, I think you can easily base your opinion off a team in one game. It's how some scouting reports are done. You can see a lot about the players in one game. How they react in certain situations. The skill of a player. The mental side of a player. The tendencies of a player. Especially in big games, as most players resort to what works for them under pressure. I in no way said I thought the teams were terrible. The style of play might work for them. I just said I was not impressed. Were you impressed by how both sides played today? Would you say they were at their best or close to their usual caliber? Assuming you watch them more then once of course.
If you read my post. I was questioning what he thought was exciting about the game and mentioned the fact that there were 5 goals. As a majority of the game was from kicking a ball 20-30yds like a hot potato. Just not the style of play that is entertaining to me. I guess from reading posts about Tufts I was expecting a team to actually be organized. You can say they were organized defensively and have a style of play of kicking and running. Maybe instead of asking for an excuse. I should have asked the question "is this how these two teams play all the time?" I wouldn't mind hearing answers to that question.
Hmm...You can base your opinion of a player in 1 GAME? You would not be a good recruiter because that is how mistakes are done recruiting. You watch 1 game and think you have seen the player and all his talent or lack there of. Big mistake. Coaches need to see a kid 2-3 times to make sure they are not wasting one of their "tips" on a fluke player. Tufts is very organized but Kenyon disrupted them and there was no flow to the game. Interestingly, I thought Tufts would fight thru that considering they see that on a daily basis in Nescac from Amherst, Midd,etc..
Quote from: KnightFalcon on November 20, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
Quote from: wingtips2 on November 20, 2015, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:02:30 PM
F&M goalkeeper doesn't take his 6 kicks....
What's a 6 kick?
Believe he is referring to a Goal Kick ... taken from the 6 yard box. Apparently someone other than the goalie is taking them.
I apologize for not saying goal kick I guess... and yes the CB is taking the goal kicks.
This "wingnut" is a real Loras hater....What's the story with him kicken?
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 20, 2015, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Nobody hates the NJ teams. 80% of the posters here picked Montclair to get to Final 4, and many of us marveled at MSU-RUC tourney final.
Fair enough. I just feel as though there is animosity towards the NJ teams. I mean you have to give us a break anyway we are from Jersey...
Did you follow the thread? Only reason any mention made of NJ was because a poster (apparently a NJ poster by screen name) cracked on quality of Tufts and Kenyon.
Exactly..Not sure how you can base your opinion of teams by watching them for game in the NCAA's. You really need to watch a team a couple times to get a thorough opinion. It looked like a typical Nescac affair to me and if he did not like that game wait until he see's Amherst play Lycoming....
Honestly, I think you can easily base your opinion off a team in one game. It's how some scouting reports are done. You can see a lot about the players in one game. How they react in certain situations. The skill of a player. The mental side of a player. The tendencies of a player. Especially in big games, as most players resort to what works for them under pressure. I in no way said I thought the teams were terrible. The style of play might work for them. I just said I was not impressed. Were you impressed by how both sides played today? Would you say they were at their best or close to their usual caliber? Assuming you watch them more then once of course.
If you read my post. I was questioning what he thought was exciting about the game and mentioned the fact that there were 5 goals. As a majority of the game was from kicking a ball 20-30yds like a hot potato. Just not the style of play that is entertaining to me. I guess from reading posts about Tufts I was expecting a team to actually be organized. You can say they were organized defensively and have a style of play of kicking and running. Maybe instead of asking for an excuse. I should have asked the question "is this how these two teams play all the time?" I wouldn't mind hearing answers to that question.
Hmm...You can base your opinion of a player in 1 GAME? You would not be a good recruiter because that is how mistakes are done recruiting. You watch 1 game and think you have seen the player and all his talent or lack there of. Big mistake. Coaches need to see a kid 2-3 times to make sure they are not wasting one of their "tips" on a fluke player. Tufts is very organized but Kenyon disrupted them and there was no flow to the game. Interestingly, I thought Tufts would fight thru that considering they see that on a daily basis in Nescac from Amherst, Midd,etc..
I see both sides of your arguments. every team in the NCAA tournament has to do some kind of adjusting for the team they are playing which makes it very difficult to judge players or teams off one result. the Kenyon tufts game had two final 4 quality teams playing which probably held back some attacking from both teams. The Amherst vs Lycoming game will be another kick and run game with two excellent defenses. I give Amherst the nod because of their experience. I watched a little of the loras game and they did not look scared of Depauw at all. Loras is very good this year and this might be the year they finally get into the championship game.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 20, 2015, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Nobody hates the NJ teams. 80% of the posters here picked Montclair to get to Final 4, and many of us marveled at MSU-RUC tourney final.
Fair enough. I just feel as though there is animosity towards the NJ teams. I mean you have to give us a break anyway we are from Jersey...
Did you follow the thread? Only reason any mention made of NJ was because a poster (apparently a NJ poster by screen name) cracked on quality of Tufts and Kenyon.
Exactly..Not sure how you can base your opinion of teams by watching them for game in the NCAA's. You really need to watch a team a couple times to get a thorough opinion. It looked like a typical Nescac affair to me and if he did not like that game wait until he see's Amherst play Lycoming....
Honestly, I think you can easily base your opinion off a team in one game. It's how some scouting reports are done. You can see a lot about the players in one game. How they react in certain situations. The skill of a player. The mental side of a player. The tendencies of a player. Especially in big games, as most players resort to what works for them under pressure. I in no way said I thought the teams were terrible. The style of play might work for them. I just said I was not impressed. Were you impressed by how both sides played today? Would you say they were at their best or close to their usual caliber? Assuming you watch them more then once of course.
If you read my post. I was questioning what he thought was exciting about the game and mentioned the fact that there were 5 goals. As a majority of the game was from kicking a ball 20-30yds like a hot potato. Just not the style of play that is entertaining to me. I guess from reading posts about Tufts I was expecting a team to actually be organized. You can say they were organized defensively and have a style of play of kicking and running. Maybe instead of asking for an excuse. I should have asked the question "is this how these two teams play all the time?" I wouldn't mind hearing answers to that question.
Hmm...You can base your opinion of a player in 1 GAME? You would not be a good recruiter because that is how mistakes are done recruiting. You watch 1 game and think you have seen the player and all his talent or lack there of. Big mistake. Coaches need to see a kid 2-3 times to make sure they are not wasting one of their "tips" on a fluke player. Tufts is very organized but Kenyon disrupted them and there was no flow to the game. Interestingly, I thought Tufts would fight thru that considering they see that on a daily basis in Nescac from Amherst, Midd,etc..
You are very accurate about recruiting and I agree with you. If you look above I talk about skill, tendencies, mental toughness. As a recruiter if I saw these things in one game I would come back to see them again. But as a recruiter if I didn't see these things in one game even if its an off game its going to be hard to come back to see the kid again. Especially at the D-3 level with little money to go watch recruits. But that isn't what we are talking here. I was talking about not being impressed with the teams as a whole. Very sloppy soccer(kick ball). Not very organized. Kenyon was exposed many times after getting forward from being unorganized.
What a save by the Calvin GK. Spread himself well and kept F&M from getting the equalizer.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 20, 2015, 03:27:55 PM
What a save by the Calvin GK. Spread himself well and kept F&M from getting the equalizer.
Agreed blooter, but I think the kid has to do a better job of not projecting where he's gonna shoot that. Opened his hips extremely wide so everyone knew he was going finesse far post. Great save though!
Quote from: casualfan on November 20, 2015, 03:29:27 PM
Agreed blooter, but I think the kid has to do a better job of not projecting where he's gonna shoot that. Opened his hips extremely wide so everyone knew he was going finesse far post. Great save though!
For sure, but I think that was a product more of the GK coming out at the right time and forcing the kid to commit.
If it was me I would have either tried to chip him (risky but effective) or just kept it on the ground and tried to go under him. ;) Far post only works well if the keeper stays home and you can go around him in my experience.
I thought the F & M kid should have finished that. Centennial teams are very good but they just lack that special player to get them to a Final 4. Was Muhlenberg the last Centennial team to make a Final 4 in 1995?
I know Hopkins in 2006 was a legit Final 4 team that got upended by Messiah but I cannot remember the last Centennial team in a Final 4.
Thoughts on Tufts Kenyon game. Thought Tufts had the better play all around. Great goal at the end by Kenyon. Thought Barnes played excellent for Kenyon. I think Kenyon's defense will be the weakness that keeps them from winning the title. Amolo was the worst of the 3 forwards Tufts played this tournament. The pk was questionable and it deflated Tufts for a short period. The Tufts midfield could have played a a little quicker. Kayne was double teamed but managed to get off some good balls. He had several steals on defense. Kenyon has a nice midfield. Don't know why they stopped using them in second half. think their defense will have trouble with tall strong forwards. Majumber played excellent. I can see
Kenyon winning tomorrow. Stop Amolo and Barnes and and pressure their defense is the way to beat them.
did the Wheaton vs st Olaf game start yet? I'm having trouble with the feed again..
CONSECUTIVE GAMES WITHOUT A LOSS
No. Team From To
66 Wheaton (IL).................................................... Sept. 1, 1996 Nov. 14, 1998
60 St. Lawrence..................................................... Nov. 19, 1997 Nov. 12, 2000
46 Messiah.............................................................. Nov. 13, 2004 Oct. 28, 2006
44 Calvin................................................................Sept. 6, 2014 to >>>>>>>>
43 Trinity (TX)........................................................ Aug. 29, 2003 Nov. 19, 2004
42 Messiah.............................................................. Sept. 4, 2010 Nov. 5, 2011
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 03:38:02 PM
did the Wheaton vs st Olaf game start yet? I'm having trouble with the feed again..
Looks like the feed is working now, hasn't started yet though. Looks like it's going to be an interesting one with the snowstorm they're getting. Trying to shovel the lines off right now.
I would love to play an NCAA game in the snow
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 03:09:59 PM
This "wingnut" is a real Loras hater....What's the story with him kicken?
No idea? He can hate them all he likes, it doesn't change the fact that they buried DePauw the first half and if desired would have hung another 2 or more on them the 2nd half. Being that Loras is a perennial tournament team they know how to conserve players and not exert un needed energy. Wing nut can think DePauw had a chance all he wants, but I know and pretty much everyone else knows they never had a chance.
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 03:45:50 PM
I would love to play an NCAA game in the snow
I got to play in one last year, but it wasn't nearly this much snow and it was on a nice grass field. Loras' field isn't fun to play on on a good day (not quality turf) but with this snow? I don't envy those guys playing out there today. I'm just hoping there aren't any serious injuries.
Quote from: Nutmeg on November 20, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
Thoughts on Tufts Kenyon game. Thought Tufts had the better play all around. Great goal at the end by Kenyon. Thought Barnes played excellent for Kenyon. I think Kenyon's defense will be the weakness that keeps them from winning the title. Amolo was the worst of the 3 forwards Tufts played this tournament. The pk was questionable and it deflated Tufts for a short period. The Tufts midfield could have played a a little quicker. Kayne was double teamed but managed to get off some good balls. He had several steals on defense. Kenyon has a nice midfield. Don't know why they stopped using them in second half. think their defense will have trouble with tall strong forwards. Majumber played excellent. I can see
Kenyon winning tomorrow. Stop Amolo and Barnes and and pressure their defense is the way to beat them.
Tony has another year left, so hopefully he will work on his game this summer and show a lot of improvement.
I second that Kickin, DePauw was out played in every aspect of that game.
Any predictions on Wheaton/St.Olaf.... Have to think this plays in Olaf's favor with slowing down Wheaton's speed.
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Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 03:45:50 PM
I would love to play an NCAA game in the snow
I got to play in one last year, but it wasn't nearly this much snow and it was on a nice grass field. Loras' field isn't fun to play on on a good day (not quality turf) but with this snow? I don't envy those guys playing out there today. I'm just hoping there aren't any serious injuries.
It's 10 years old, what do you expect, a fairway!?! With as much speed and excellence that Loras had poured out on to that surface I am surprised it didn't completely melt away!! ;D 8-) ;)
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Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 03:45:50 PM
I would love to play an NCAA game in the snow
I got to play in one last year, but it wasn't nearly this much snow and it was on a nice grass field. Loras' field isn't fun to play on on a good day (not quality turf) but with this snow? I don't envy those guys playing out there today. I'm just hoping there aren't any serious injuries.
I came close in 2013. San Antonio had its first snow storm/cold front in months and it was when the final four was going on. I thought I was going to Texas to escape the cold but instead played in 20 degree weather with 30 mph winds....
WOW.... Wheaton looking scary!!!!!
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 03:52:02 PM
Quote from: WarhawkFan on November 20, 2015, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 03:45:50 PM
I would love to play an NCAA game in the snow
I got to play in one last year, but it wasn't nearly this much snow and it was on a nice grass field. Loras' field isn't fun to play on on a good day (not quality turf) but with this snow? I don't envy those guys playing out there today. I'm just hoping there aren't any serious injuries.
I was there in San Antonio and remember that cold, we were freezing our butts off and we were in a luxury box. No one packed winter jackets to go to Texas.
I came close in 2013. San Antonio had its first snow storm/cold front in months and it was when the final four was going on. I thought I was going to Texas to escape the cold but instead played in 20 degree weather with 30 mph winds....
CONSECUTIVE WINS
43 Trinity (TX) ....................................................... to 2004
39 Wheaton (IL) .................................................... 1998
31 Messiah ............................................................ 2001
31 Messiah ............................................................ 2006
29 St. Lawrence...................................................... 2000
24 Messiah ............................................................ 2011
23 Williams............................................................ 1998
23 Ohio Wesleyan ................................................... 2000
23 Calvin College ............................................... >>>>>>>>
Is standard def feed any better? This is is giving me seizures!
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 20, 2015, 03:55:53 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 03:52:02 PM
Quote from: WarhawkFan on November 20, 2015, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 20, 2015, 03:45:50 PM
I would love to play an NCAA game in the snow
I got to play in one last year, but it wasn't nearly this much snow and it was on a nice grass field. Loras' field isn't fun to play on on a good day (not quality turf) but with this snow? I don't envy those guys playing out there today. I'm just hoping there aren't any serious injuries.
I was there in San Antonio and remember that cold, we were freezing our butts off and we were in a luxury box. No one packed winter jackets to go to Texas.
I came close in 2013. San Antonio had its first snow storm/cold front in months and it was when the final four was going on. I thought I was going to Texas to escape the cold but instead played in 20 degree weather with 30 mph winds....
I will never forget that final four only because of the weather. you try so hard to win to make it to Texas and play in the warmth in December only to be rewarded with the states first snowstorm in years haha
Wheaton looks really good. Could just be the snow + the turf, but they're zipping the ball around and playing some great passes, especially some slide-rule balls. Were unlucky not to take the lead.
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Quote from: Nutmeg on November 20, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
Thoughts on Tufts Kenyon game. Thought Tufts had the better play all around. Great goal at the end by Kenyon. Thought Barnes played excellent for Kenyon. I think Kenyon's defense will be the weakness that keeps them from winning the title. Amolo was the worst of the 3 forwards Tufts played this tournament. The pk was questionable and it deflated Tufts for a short period. The Tufts midfield could have played a a little quicker. Kayne was double teamed but managed to get off some good balls. He had several steals on defense. Kenyon has a nice midfield. Don't know why they stopped using them in second half. think their defense will have trouble with tall strong forwards. Majumber played excellent. I can see
Kenyon winning tomorrow. Stop Amolo and Barnes and and pressure their defense is the way to beat them.
Tony has another year left, so hopefully he will work on his game this summer and show a lot of improvement.
Yes, he has skill. Just think he needs to work on his focus and get a little more blue collar attitude.
it's kind of funny with the snow because you can see how messy st Olaf defensive third is compared to wheatons defensive third.
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on November 20, 2015, 03:50:01 PMAny predictions on Wheaton/St.Olaf.... Have to think this plays in Olaf's favor with slowing down Wheaton's speed.
On the other hand, sometimes these conditions highlight who has superior touch and ball control and short passing game. Not sure how Wheaton is managing (I've just now gotten the video to work) and I know they play with more speed and urgency than did Messiah (Wheaton may be closer to 2002 Trinity in that regard), but Messiah in 2002 in the snow on St. Lawrence's field hockey turf seemed able to play closest to their normal game out of the four teams.
St Olaf gradually getting into this game....Wheaton with no goal so far may be in some trouble here.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 04:23:23 PM
St Olaf gradually getting into this game....Wheaton with no goal so far may be in some trouble here.
Agreed. With the conditions like this, this could be one of those "first goal wins" type of games.
Just like that a PK may be the winner. Wheaton looks good but St O is holding their own.
Wow PK saved!
Wow. Missed opportunity for Wheaton.
First PK Hollingsworth has missed this season. Was 5-5.
Loras shovel brigade is getting a workout!
Not sure about that offsides call. St. Olaf should try a few balls over the top. Reminds me of Oberlin trying to play all possession style inside own 3rd against superior team. Over the top is there because Wheaton creeped up so high.
Wheaton mostly dictating the play(if there is such a thing in a driving blizzard), but still scoreless at halftime. Hoping that blocked PK doesn't come back to bite them as they so often do at playoff time.
Quote from: GoPerry on November 20, 2015, 04:41:38 PM
Wheaton mostly dictating the play(if there is such a thing in a driving blizzard), but still scoreless at halftime. Hoping that blocked PK doesn't come back to bite them as they so often do at playoff time.
St Olaf is my sleeper upset, now relying on weather to make it so. Wheaton playing well.
Wheaton's Achilles heal is their back line under pressure (hence why Loras always seems to win the match up)
St. Olaf has Skrip and Undlin who both can really create havoc by themselves... Anything can happen in this type of weather
;D SnowGate 2105 @ Rock Bowl!
Holy brain fart Batman. Wheaton 1-0
What happened? I looked away and -BAM- a goal is scored.
Not really sure what the heck that was . . . but I'll take it!
Here we go St O ties it up 1-1
And just like that it's 1-1. Great response to going down by the Oles.
Wow! Almost 2-1 for the Oles. Should have been, really.
And nearly again. Give and go right around the Wheaton back to get behind the defense. Wheaton fortunate to not be down.
WOW. St. Olaf with a fantastic chance for the go-ahead goal but the shot was wide and the man at the back post couldn't get there in time.
Wow, St O missed a sitter again
St. Olaf is picking apart this back line of Wheaton!
Now St O misses a breakaway!
St. Olaf doing a good job of blending in with the snow!
This guy is letting them play
Whomever it is that makes it through tomorrow is going to be gassed. Trying to run and stop and keep your balance in this stuff is going to take it's toll not the quads!
Wheaton saving one off the line, then the ref saving them from being down one
Not too sure the Olaf player was off on that, looked to be even if not on by half a yard
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on November 20, 2015, 05:11:09 PM
Wheaton saving one off the line, then the ref saving them from being down one
clearly on sides, linesmen blew that one ::)
what's happening to the Wheaten back line..its like they are letting the ole's run right through them
Serpone calling his team "the true underdog" (http://amherststudent.amherst.edu/?q=article/2015/11/18/mens-soccer-shuts-out-morrisville-state-advances-sweet-16) against Lycoming. Very clever.
Wheaton's back line has always been their downfall, but I think the weather has a little to do with it. Normally Wheaton can compensate for their struggles in the back with high pressure and beautiful soccer through the mid and offensive third.
Ole's are all over Wheaton...
Someone should probably tell those kids the mic is on...
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on November 20, 2015, 05:18:42 PM
Wheaton's back line has always been their downfall, but I think the weather has a little to do with it. Normally Wheaton can compensate for their struggles in the back with high pressure and beautiful soccer through the mid and offensive third.
Yeah. I'm thinking that Wheaton is against the wind making it hard to advance the ball out of their end. St Olaf is doing a good job of keeping the pressure.
Now Oles will be the team with regret. Should be up 3-1.
3 New England? More like 5 ;)
Quote from: Jump4Joy on November 20, 2015, 05:24:19 PM
Someone should probably tell those kids the mic is on...
I was thinking the same thing
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 20, 2015, 03:09:59 PM
This "wingnut" is a real Loras hater....What's the story with him kicken?
I've been in hiatus for quite some time - was on the "real" d3 boards back in the day.
Not a hater - just dislike when supporters are over confident.
I don't know, don't like seeing a game played in these conditions.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 20, 2015, 05:17:01 PM
Serpone calling his team "the true underdog" (http://amherststudent.amherst.edu/?q=article/2015/11/18/mens-soccer-shuts-out-morrisville-state-advances-sweet-16) against Lycoming. Very clever.
That's funny. True underdog! Ha ha ha! But Amherst seems to like the "us against the world" mentality and I guess this would help foster that, but nobody, not even his own team, is buying that.
Both Braman and Paprocki have made unbelievable saves to keep their team in it . . . that Braman save on Golz at about 6:00 left was sick.
Wheaton seems to be still playing the ball control finesse tight passing style that they love, but trying to do that with 2 inches of snow on the ground? I don't know . . .
I'm thinking the game winner will be a sloppy one . . .
That's it, Wheaton is playing tomorrow
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 20, 2015, 05:52:21 PM
That's it, Wheaton is playing tomorrow
Nice finish... ;)
My pre-season pick for national champion - WHEATON - advances to Elite 8.
Heartbreak for St. Olaf. #14, I think that's Barboza, played a whale of a game. He was all over the field making plays. Can they actually clear 6-8 inches of snow for tomorrow?
As for Tufts - it is just very difficult to concede 3 goals and expect to advance in the national tourney. They lost this one in the same fashion they advanced to the final four last year. Live by the dagger and die by the dagger I guess. Hats off to Kenyon.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 20, 2015, 05:52:21 PM
That's it, Wheaton is playing tomorrow
Brutal way to lose it for St Olaf after playing so well. Can't say they didn't have their chances though.
Ought to be a good one tomorrow . . . a chance to 'get em back' for the Thunder.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 05:55:28 PM
Heartbreak for St. Olaf. #14, I think that's Barboza, played a whale of a game. He was all over the field making plays. Can they actually clear 6-8 inches of snow for tomorrow?
They had to do it last year too, so I think they will have it cleared by game time. Might have to get some gators with brushes, but it will get done.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 19, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
My picks for Elite 8:
Lycoming
Trinity
Loras
Wheaton (Ill)
Haverford
SUNY Oneonta
Kenyon
F&M
My only miss so far is F&M. Tomorrow could be different.
Quote from: Nutmeg on November 20, 2015, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 03:48:26 PM
Quote from: Nutmeg on November 20, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
Thoughts on Tufts Kenyon game. Thought Tufts had the better play all around. Great goal at the end by Kenyon. Thought Barnes played excellent for Kenyon. I think Kenyon's defense will be the weakness that keeps them from winning the title. Amolo was the worst of the 3 forwards Tufts played this tournament. The pk was questionable and it deflated Tufts for a short period. The Tufts midfield could have played a a little quicker. Kayne was double teamed but managed to get off some good balls. He had several steals on defense. Kenyon has a nice midfield. Don't know why they stopped using them in second half. think their defense will have trouble with tall strong forwards. Majumber played excellent. I can see
Kenyon winning tomorrow. Stop Amolo and Barnes and and pressure their defense is the way to beat them.
Tony has another year left, so hopefully he will work on his game this summer and show a lot of improvement.
Yes, he has skill. Just think he needs to work on his focus and get a little more blue collar attitude.
I posted earlier that I don't see him as a 90 minute player, and the assessments that he has difficulty with physical play are correct IMO. Good news for him - his weaknesses are few, and they are obvious. Get to work lad!
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 19, 2015, 11:27:33 PM
My Picks for Elite 8:
Kenyon
Calvin
Amherst
Trinity
SLU
Oneonta St
Loras
Wheaton
Final 4:
Kenyon
Oneonta St
Wheaton
Amherst
Final:
Oneonta St 3- Kenyon 2
4/4 so far. let's keep it rolling
Good thing I checked the forum. The score shows St Olaf 2, Wheaton 1 on the GameTracker...
Kenyon puts up 3 on Tufts. Impressive. Didn't see either gsme, would Kenyon be the small favorite?
I'd say.
Kenyon +150
Calvin +175
Draw +200
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2015, 04:47:48 PM
If Haverford and Oneonta advance, that game will be an up-and-down battle.
Predictions:
Amherst 2, Lycoming 0
Trinity 1, Brandeis 0
Haverford 2, SLU 1
Oneonta St 3, MIT 0
Loras 2, DePauw 1
Wheaton 3, St. Olaf 1
Tufts 1, Kenyon 1. PKs
F&M 2, Calvin 1.
Today fairly straight forward. Which likely dog will pull it off? Will be in attendance at Haverford regardless of who makes it. Four very good teams in that pod
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 20, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
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Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 03:48:26 PM
Quote from: Nutmeg on November 20, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
Thoughts on Tufts Kenyon game. Thought Tufts had the better play all around. Great goal at the end by Kenyon. Thought Barnes played excellent for Kenyon. I think Kenyon's defense will be the weakness that keeps them from winning the title. Amolo was the worst of the 3 forwards Tufts played this tournament. The pk was questionable and it deflated Tufts for a short period. The Tufts midfield could have played a a little quicker. Kayne was double teamed but managed to get off some good balls. He had several steals on defense. Kenyon has a nice midfield. Don't know why they stopped using them in second half. think their defense will have trouble with tall strong forwards. Majumber played excellent. I can see
Kenyon winning tomorrow. Stop Amolo and Barnes and and pressure their defense is the way to beat them.
Tony has another year left, so hopefully he will work on his game this summer and show a lot of improvement.
Yes, he has skill. Just think he needs to work on his focus and get a little more blue collar attitude.
I posted earlier that I don't see him as a 90 minute player, and the assessments that he has difficulty with physical play are correct IMO. Good news for him - his weaknesses are few, and they are obvious. Get to work lad!
You also said that you told the Chicago fans that they better foul him when he was 1 on 3 as soon as he touched the ball. The kid has 18 goals. He's scored some big goals. He's not a big kid, about 5'8 or 5'9 and 150ish lbs. I think he's done OK for himself.
An unsung player is Glassman. He unfortunately missed the last 2 Sweet 16 games with injuries and they could have used him. He made one of the more remarkable plays of the season against OWU -- regardless of how you feel about a PK being called -- when under 10 secs when he chested a long ball 5 yards in front of himself between two defenders to put himself in 1v1 with the GK, and today, he shielded for Myers to have a path to take the shot with 20 seconds left. He gives Kenyon the physical bite that perhaps Amolo doesn't. Barnes I thought was just outstanding.
Domino, were you at the game? Going tomorrow?
NCAC: Yes and Yes. Calvin game became a grind fest - got the goal and sat in. Give them credit for knowing how to win and finishing a game. But hardly a thing of beauty.
Tony looked gassed early in the second half - Kenyon used subs in the first half but shortened the bench too soon in the second. #28 played so many more minutes last weekend - he brings a flair to the team and he doesn't over do it - knows when to give it up.
I have to say the biggest difference in the teams that make the tournament: they don't over dribble, they share the ball. Love that.
F&M shut down #11 pretty well; #26 had moments of success on the ball - he'll match up against Barnes - should be an interesting dual. #11 and #15 attacking Kenyon's outside backs and defending set pieces is what Kenyon needs to focus upon. Calvin can "complain" when play gets physical - except for #5 - he has no problem with physical play. He got a yellow today and is quite the enforcer - Amolo needs to avoid him
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 20, 2015, 08:29:20 PM
NCAC: Yes and Yes. Calvin game became a grind fest - got the goal and sat in. Give them credit for knowing how to win and finishing a game. But hardly a thing of beauty.
Tony looked gassed early in the second half - Kenyon used subs in the first half but shortened the bench too soon in the second. #28 played so many more minutes last weekend - he brings a flair to the team and he doesn't over do it - knows when to give it up.
I have to say the biggest difference in the teams that make the tournament: they don't over dribble, they share the ball. Love that.
F&M shut down #11 pretty well; #26 had moments of success on the ball - he'll match up against Barnes - should be an interesting dual. #11 and #15 attacking Kenyon's outside backs and defending set pieces is what Kenyon needs to focus upon. Calvin can "complain" when play gets physical - except for #5 - he has no problem with physical play. He got a yellow today and is quite the enforcer - Amolo needs to avoid him
Interesting. Yeah, I don't mind Tony coming out in the 2nd half....as long as he goes back in. I hope it was clear earlier today that I was being sarcastic about Amolo working hard over the summer. I'm sure he will do that, but IMHO and biased opinion, He ALREADY is one of the best players in the country and depending on how Kenyon does from here forward should be very much in the conversation for national player of the year. He may well leave Kenyon as the most decorated player in Kenyon history. To suggest that he was the "worst" of anything was just preposterous.
I believe #5 is the one RH mentioned who could have been tossed against OWU. Maybe he can meet Kenyon's #24.
FWIW, I have it on very good authority that the PK today was NOT for a handball and was for a pull down on a Kenyon player. I have no way of knowing how legit or how blatant the foul was but of course I am told it was legit. It always legit when your team and always "questionable" when it's not your team.
Should be a good one tomorrow. Undefeated Calvin vs 19-1-1 Kenyon. Ironically, given both of their ties to OWU, Calvin and Kenyon last played AT OWU in the annual early season OWU tournament in 2013.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 08:50:03 PM
FWIW, I have it on very good authority that the PK today was NOT for a handball and was for a pull down on a Kenyon player. I have no way of knowing how legit or how blatant the foul was but of course I am told it was legit. It always legit when your team and always "questionable" when it's not your team.
This is very believable. I saw the Kenyon player go down and assumed that that was what the PK was called for, rather than a phantom handball. It wasn't until after that I even realized there was allegations of handball. What a great pen by Barnes, though. Top shelf every time.
All teams in this year's tournament who have conceded 3 or more goals in a game have NOT advanced. The old adage rings true...defense wins championships.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 20, 2015, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2015, 04:47:48 PM
If Haverford and Oneonta advance, that game will be an up-and-down battle.
Predictions:
Amherst 2, Lycoming 0
Trinity 1, Brandeis 0
Haverford 2, SLU 1
Oneonta St 3, MIT 0
Loras 2, DePauw 1
Wheaton 3, St. Olaf 1
Tufts 1, Kenyon 1. PKs
F&M 2, Calvin 1.
Today fairly straight forward. Which likely dog will pull it off? Will be in attendance at Haverford regardless of who makes it. Four very good teams in that pod
See you there! I'll be amongst the SLU supporters. Would love to chat.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 20, 2015, 08:50:03 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 20, 2015, 08:29:20 PM
NCAC: Yes and Yes. Calvin game became a grind fest - got the goal and sat in. Give them credit for knowing how to win and finishing a game. But hardly a thing of beauty.
Tony looked gassed early in the second half - Kenyon used subs in the first half but shortened the bench too soon in the second. #28 played so many more minutes last weekend - he brings a flair to the team and he doesn't over do it - knows when to give it up.
I have to say the biggest difference in the teams that make the tournament: they don't over dribble, they share the ball. Love that.
F&M shut down #11 pretty well; #26 had moments of success on the ball - he'll match up against Barnes - should be an interesting dual. #11 and #15 attacking Kenyon's outside backs and defending set pieces is what Kenyon needs to focus upon. Calvin can "complain" when play gets physical - except for #5 - he has no problem with physical play. He got a yellow today and is quite the enforcer - Amolo needs to avoid him
Interesting. Yeah, I don't mind Tony coming out in the 2nd half....as long as he goes back in. I hope it was clear earlier today that I was being sarcastic about Amolo working hard over the summer. I'm sure he will do that, but IMHO and biased opinion, He ALREADY is one of the best players in the country and depending on how Kenyon does from here forward should be very much in the conversation for national player of the year. He may well leave Kenyon as the most decorated player in Kenyon history. To suggest that he was the "worst" of anything was just preposterous.
I believe #5 is the one RH mentioned who could have been tossed against OWU. Maybe he can meet Kenyon's #24.
FWIW, I have it on very good authority that the PK today was NOT for a handball and was for a pull down on a Kenyon player. I have no way of knowing how legit or how blatant the foul was but of course I am told it was legit. It always legit when your team and always "questionable" when it's not your team.
Should be a good one tomorrow. Undefeated Calvin vs 19-1-1 Kenyon. Ironically, given both of their ties to OWU, Calvin and Kenyon last played AT OWU in the annual early season OWU tournament in 2013.
Per Amolo - did not see any previous mention that he was a poor player - and I do recall your earlier comment about fitness - and we have the same assessment on that!
On the PK - the referee was explaining the call to a F&M player, gesticulating with his arms above his head, then pulling both arms down to his right side. The gesture looked like one a player would use to block a shot coming at their face - could also be interpreted as a pulling- down movement.
The Kenyon player who needs to be careful is Henry - I watch him off the ball - he "likes" to engage his opponents.
Interesting referee assignments we've received at Kenyon - two of the last three are active PRO MLS referees; Sorg - who did Kenyon's game yesterday - did MLS about 5 years ago - still does college at a national level.
Good morning Domino. Hope you get a good game today.
First of all, watching on video vs live is so different that folks are bound to see and/or notice different things.
I never said a word about Amolo's fitness. I had questioned him sitting out the last 25 or so minutes in tight games vs Oberlin and OWU. He's a very hard worker and Brown doesn't give you a jersey number if you aren't fit. I think the forwards do need breaks though because they are asked to high press when they are out there. And I wasn't suggesting that you said anything negative. The only question about him going into this season was scoring in the biggest games. He's done that consistently all season -- CMU, Oberlin, Denison, OWU x2, Chicago -- so that question I think can be put to bed. Tufts did a good job on him. Good teams can neutralize great players on opposing teams if determined to do so.
I personally don't see Myers as a chippy player. There are other Kenyon candidates for that. My take is that he is a converted attacking mid and like on the play you felt he should have seen red in Chicago game had made a play and then was on a run with the ball, lost the ball a bit out in front of them, resulting in a clumsy or poor challenge. You were there live, though, and you're a ref, so I give your take a lot of credence. Aside from that, Myers as a soph has been huge all year as a CB and providing key goals at critical times. Two GWs late in the last 3 games. He and Lowry as a pair have to be the upside major surprise of the team. Wynn, also a soph, who has played at right and left back, has had a breakout year as well. Another converted attacking mid, he's had a bunch of assists and scored the 2nd big goal yesterday. The left back was out for more than a month with illness/injury. He actually is one of the fastest players on the team, but I'm sure he is still getting back into optimal condition. The other primary outside back is very calm and good on the ball and makes great crosses.
I think some of the confusion about the PK is that the ball did hit a hand, but a Kenyon hand (not Tufts) in the process of the foul, and the foul was for pulling a player down. Confirmed now twice.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 21, 2015, 08:56:22 AM
Good morning Domino. Hope you get a good game today.
First of all, watching on video vs live is so different that folks are bound to see and/or notice different things.
I never said a word about Amolo's fitness. I had questioned him sitting out the last 25 or so minutes in tight games vs Oberlin and OWU. He's a very hard worker and Brown doesn't give you a jersey number if you aren't fit. I think the forwards do need breaks though because they are asked to high press when they are out there. And I wasn't suggesting that you said anything negative. The only question about him going into this season was scoring in the biggest games. He's done that consistently all season -- CMU, Oberlin, Denison, OWU x2, Chicago -- so that question I think can be put to bed. Tufts did a good job on him. Good teams can neutralize great players on opposing teams if determined to do so.
I personally don't see Myers as a chippy player. There are other Kenyon candidates for that. My take is that he is a converted attacking mid and like on the play you felt he should have seen red in Chicago game had made a play and then was on a run with the ball, lost the ball a bit out in front of them, resulting in a clumsy or poor challenge. You were there live, though, and you're a ref, so I give your take a lot of credence. Aside from that, Myers as a soph has been huge all year as a CB and providing key goals at critical times. Two GWs late in the last 3 games. He and Lowry as a pair have to be the upside major surprise of the team. Wynn, also a soph, who has played at right and left back, has had a breakout year as well. Another converted attacking mid, he's had a bunch of assists and scored the 2nd big goal yesterday. The left back was out for more than a month with illness/injury. He actually is one of the fastest players on the team, but I'm sure he is still getting back into optimal condition. The other primary outside back is very calm and good on the ball and makes great crosses.
I think some of the confusion about the PK is that the ball did hit a hand, but a Kenyon hand (not Tufts) in the process of the foul, and the foul was for pulling a player down. Confirmed now twice.
Myers got on the end of just about every corner yesterday - we saw the game winner against Westminster. Set pieces will decide this game - as they have for most of the games I've seen this tournament. Goals from the run of play are almost extinct!
Yesterday you saw what Calvin will do today - stay very connected across the back line - get the ball to 15 and 11 on the wings and attack outside backs. Vetger takes all throws within 35 yards of goal. I sat behind some F&M fans yesterday - before his first throw I said "Watch this." Afterwards I heard several incredulous gasps. To F&M 's credit they had that play scouted - but being able to put that many more balls into the mixer gives them 2x the number of corners. Funny episode - #5 went on a run first half - pushed up even with the attackers. Keeper screams- "Nick - you're a center back!". If Calvin executes as they have been you're looking at 0-0 or 1-0 them.
Kenyon needs to pressure their backs in the attacking third, force a turnover, and cash in. As I recall last year this tactic was very effective early in the season - and then they got away from this later in the season. Kenyon will find success doing this by doubling up on the outside backs. I would consider a hockey style - dump the ball into the corners - lock them I and get the TO. Based on what I've seen from ref's this tournament the tolerance for physical has expanded, which gives Kenyon an edge IMO.
What are the conditions at Kenyon today? Field and weather-wise
Ugh we have the aussie announcer at Amherst today for both games.
Let's see how it goes
Haverford's video feed is more choppy than a CCTV security camera.
hmm..I remember Haverford's feed to be quite good.
It's settled down a bit but it was extremely laggy to start.
Lycoming GK is 5'9 190...looks out of shape to me. That might be a problem later on.
Haveeford up 1-0 in 5th minute. Anyone see the goal. Live stats says: *stolen off of defender near goalline, shot to far post
Ok I retract my previous statement. This video feed is horrid. I think I've seen 2 total minutes of gameplay in between the numerous frames that have just frozen.
Yes it was bad defending by SLU. Lost the ball on the right side of the 18 and their striker just took the ball in slotted it in the far post. I think the keeper could have done better. Roethel's been shaky all postseason.
Amherst up 1-0 15min in by Orozco on a header from a cross from lenhart
Nearly 12" of snow fell last night on the Rock Bowl on the Loras campus. The shovel brigade has been out non stop all morning and vow to have the field ready for the showdown. 10 degree game time temps will make for an interesting tilt.
That was "THE" phantom PK call of the tourney
OUCH....NPL nails a PK and Amherst up 2-0. Lycoming got screwed on that PK but honestly they are getting smoked by Amherst. I do not think they have 1 Shot yet
I cannot believe Lycoming got this far with that GK. He should not be a starting GK at any college.
Awful call for the PK but Amherst is worthy of a 2-0 lead. Lycoming has offered nothing going forward, although they have possessed relatively well.
Haverford up 2-0 now. Free kick service by Corkery headed home by Seitz. It's their MO.
I wish I could even see what was happening. Haverford's stream freezes every 3 seconds.
Lycoming GK shoves Pascual-Leone - about as clear of a daylight shove as you could find - off the ball when he was obstructing him from taking a free-kick. This could get ugly.
Amherst looking good....
Quote from: blooter442 on November 21, 2015, 11:46:37 AM
Lycoming GK shoves Pascual-Leone - about as clear of a daylight shove as you could find - off the ball when he was obstructing him from taking a free-kick. This could get ugly.
If the shove was worthy of a PK, then it should of been worthy of a yellow which I did not see given to the GK. Then the GK for Lycoming wasn't even set when the PK was taken. Just poor officiating all around. That does not take away from Amherst's dominance so far.
Quote from: stlawus on November 21, 2015, 11:38:11 AM
I wish I could even see what was happening. Haverford's stream freezes every 3 seconds.
I didn't see either goal as I'm multi-tasking. But my stream isn't too bad, slightly choppy at times, but very watchable. I'm sorry to hear you are having problem as I'm sure it means a lot more to you to see the game.
Extremely poor first half by SLU. It'll be very disappointing if this is how they go out. Credit to Haverford for exploiting SLU's weakness at defending set pieces.
Quote from: CovensCorner on November 21, 2015, 11:48:54 AM
If the shove was worthy of a PK, then it should of been worthy of a yellow which I did not see given to the GK. Then the GK for Lycoming wasn't even set when the PK was taken. Just poor officiating all around. That does not take away from Amherst's dominance so far.
Yeah, very poor. He literally pushed him out of the way with two hands. Have to think either the ref didn't see it.
Amherst gets a piece of the opposing player on virtually every tackle. Almost seems like it is a requirement. And looks like more than half the time flying in studs up. An intimidating team to play. Lycoming was going to have no chance in this one. Based on what we're seeing right now, Amherst vs Haverford if we get that will be a compelling match.
Quote from: stlawus on November 21, 2015, 11:54:29 AM
Extremely poor first half by SLU. It'll be very disappointing if this is how they go out. Credit to Haverford for exploiting SLU's weakness at defending set pieces.
If your stream still not working well try another device or make sure you don't have wifi and mobile data on at the same time.
I'm switching to my desk top. The last 10 minutes the stream did become a bit more stable.
Quote from: CovensCorner on November 21, 2015, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on November 21, 2015, 11:46:37 AM
Lycoming GK shoves Pascual-Leone - about as clear of a daylight shove as you could find - off the ball when he was obstructing him from taking a free-kick. This could get ugly.
If the shove was worthy of a PK, then it should of been worthy of a yellow which I did not see given to the GK. Then the GK for Lycoming wasn't even set when the PK was taken. Just poor officiating all around. That does not take away from Amherst's dominance so far.
..just a note, the GK doesn't have to be set, he just has to be on the goal line before the ref blows the whistle
That PK call even caught the commentator of the match off guard
Amherst already resting some players. Lycoming just does not have the athleticism or skill to keep up. Their GK being so out of shape is a complete slap in the face to the coach. Interesting side note is how dirty Lycoming is. They certainly match Amherst dirty play.
Quote from: KnightFalcon on November 21, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
What are the conditions at Kenyon today? Field and weather-wise
Just got here - overcast and 50 degrees. faint breeze from the east. Rain is supposed to hold off until 5 ish. Field is as it was - freshly lined!
Was that Corkery almost putting himself out of the next match? Looks like that game getting out of control as well.
Red Card for St. Lawrence's Harry Copeland down 2-0. That might seal the Saints fate (if it wasn't already).
Trivial note: Pascual-Leone's doppelganger is Thomas Ian Nicholas from his American Pie days.
Lycoming with a poor performance today and I have doubts if they would finish mid-table in Nescac. Just an easy PASS for Amherst to the Elite 8.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 21, 2015, 12:55:11 PM
Lycoming with a poor performance today and I have doubts if they would finish mid-table in Nescac. Just an easy PASS for Amherst to the Elite 8.
Yes, but we knew that... SLU is a disappointment....
I didn't think Lycoming had much of a shot to begin with. good season for them though
Snoozefest at Kenyon. Clougher almost with huge blunder. Lords dodge bullet
Anyone's game. Not many shots.
Quote from: Nutmeg on November 21, 2015, 01:43:28 PM
Snoozefest at Kenyon. Clougher almost with huge blunder. Lords dodge bullet
Not sure what the keeper was thinking on that one! Ball just missed catching the back post. Kenyon is putting high pressure on the backs - need to keep that up. Calvin's wings each got behind their respective backs once each - #11 -Kenyon's RB - is having a good game, but the LB is very vulnerable. Calvin should switch 11 to the right side - his 1v1 dribbling ability is excellent.
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 21, 2015, 01:57:25 PM
Quote from: Nutmeg on November 21, 2015, 01:43:28 PM
Snoozefest at Kenyon. Clougher almost with huge blunder. Lords dodge bullet
Not sure what the keeper was thinking on that one! Ball just missed catching the back post. Kenyon is putting high pressure on the backs - need to keep that up. Calvin's wings each got behind their respective backs once each - #11 -Kenyon's RB - is having a good game, but the LB is very vulnerable. Calvin should switch 11 to the right side - his 1v1 dribbling ability is excellent.
Spot on analysis.....Kenyon's midfield not connecting as well as yesterday. Legs for both teams must be getting tired....
Trinity goes 1-0 up on Brandeis. Once again, Judges fail to clear a free-kick, and it comes back to haunt them.
Elsewhere, SUNY Oneonta already up 1-0 on MIT. MIT can't get anywhere near Oneonta.
Quote from: blooter442 on November 21, 2015, 11:46:37 AM
Lycoming GK shoves Pascual-Leone - about as clear of a daylight shove as you could find - off the ball when he was obstructing him from taking a free-kick. This could get ugly.
And no call. Happened again later. Different player. Lycoming showed a lot of frustration early and then often
Quote from: blooter442 on November 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Elsewhere, SUNY Oneonta already up 1-0 on MIT. MIT can't get anywhere near Oneonta.
Oneonta is on another level this year. watched them play 4+ times now and haven't disappointed me yet. they are getting it together at the perfect time. I have them winning everything
WOW, Calvin misses a gimme....
Great save by Calvin keeper
Wow. A sleepy game, butTrinity passed it around and then passed it into goal for #2
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 21, 2015, 11:57:04 AM
Amherst gets a piece of the opposing player on virtually every tackle. Almost seems like it is a requirement. And looks like more than half the time flying in studs up. An intimidating team to play. Lycoming was going to have no chance in this one. Based on what we're seeing right now, Amherst vs Haverford if we get that will be a compelling match.
Camera probably not picking up the blatant late fouls by Lycoming well after the ball is elsewhere. Looked like they were trying to take NPL out of the game.
Quote from: Medicated Pete on November 21, 2015, 12:00:46 PM
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Quote from: blooter442 on November 21, 2015, 11:46:37 AM
Lycoming GK shoves Pascual-Leone - about as clear of a daylight shove as you could find - off the ball when he was obstructing him from taking a free-kick. This could get ugly.
If the shove was worthy of a PK, then it should of been worthy of a yellow which I did not see given to the GK. Then the GK for Lycoming wasn't even set when the PK was taken. Just poor officiating all around. That does not take away from Amherst's dominance so far.
..just a note, the GK doesn't have to be set, he just has to be on the goal line before the ref blows the whistle
That PK call even caught the commentator of the match off guard
Keeper was busy complaining about the call. Ref pointed to the goal line at least 3 times to get the GK ready, but the kid wasn't interested in preparing for the PK
Calvin moves on, 1:0, past Kenyon.
Awful way to lose for Kenyon, who just couldn't solve the Calvin GK. He has been excellent the past two games, and Calvin is Final 4 worthy. Congrats to the Knights.
Kenyon runs out of miracles. Player of the game is Calvins keeper. Kenyon had more possession in second half but didn't muster shots on goal. I applauded Barnes yesterday but he was invisible today except for the red card (2 yellows), which left Kenyon a man down at end when they needed the equalizer. Good year for Kenyon. Congrats to Calvin. I don't think they'll win the NCAA though...
and Calvin squeaks past Kenyon and into the final four.
Guess we'll have to wait till Monday to see who their opponent will be.
Monday 1pm CT
Snow reeking havoc on the Rock Bowl
Loras v Wheaton game will be Monday
I dont see how the wheaton loras game takes place tonight with the rock bowl receiving 10-12 inches over night. With wheaton not playing on sundays...theories on when it will be played if they cant get it in tonight?
Calvin wins 1-0 to advance to the final 4! Calvin has not been shown much love throughout the tournament by the D3 experts, but the just keep winning!
Quote from: Medicated Pete on November 21, 2015, 02:58:59 PM
and Calvin squeaks past Kenyon and into the final four.
Guess we'll have to wait till Monday to see who their opponent will be.
Monday 1pm CT
Snow reeking havoc on the Rock Bowl
And there it is.
Quote from: Footy23 on November 21, 2015, 03:01:39 PM
I dont see how the wheaton loras game takes place tonight with the rock bowl receiving 10-12 inches over night. With wheaton not playing on sundays...theories on when it will be played if they cant get it in tonight?
Wheaton/Loras postponed until on Monday . . . just posted on Wheaton site.
Surprising. It's not snowing anymore right? Couldn't get the snow removed soon enough I guess?
Wheaton-Loras should be a great game! Two quality teams. Loras won their match early in the year, but it is anyone's game of his time of year.
Quote from: GoPerry on November 21, 2015, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: Footy23 on November 21, 2015, 03:01:39 PM
I dont see how the wheaton loras game takes place tonight with the rock bowl receiving 10-12 inches over night. With wheaton not playing on sundays...theories on when it will be played if they cant get it in tonight?
Wheaton/Loras postponed until on Monday . . . just posted on Wheaton site.
Surprising. It's not snowing anymore right? Couldn't get the snow removed soon enough I guess?
Nearly a foot of snow on the field. Religious exemption for Wheaton, so now the players will have to miss classes for another teams religious restrictions.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 21, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: GoPerry on November 21, 2015, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: Footy23 on November 21, 2015, 03:01:39 PM
I dont see how the wheaton loras game takes place tonight with the rock bowl receiving 10-12 inches over night. With wheaton not playing on sundays...theories on when it will be played if they cant get it in tonight?
Wheaton/Loras postponed until on Monday . . . just posted on Wheaton site.
Surprising. It's not snowing anymore right? Couldn't get the snow removed soon enough I guess?
Nearly a foot of snow on the field. Religious exemption for Wheaton, so now the players will have to miss classes for another teams religious restrictions.
Loras players probably won't miss anything if they play the game in the afternoon. Wheaton players certainly will.
SUNY Oneonta beats MIT 2-0. MIT simply ran into a much better team, and I would say the best team they played all year. Regardless, the Engineers were one of the surprises of the season, and made their first trip past the NCAA 1st Round in quite some time, so they deserve some credit. They'll likely struggle losing Bingham, who had 21 goals and 12 assists, Freel, and their GK Amereno, but the younger players will have that experience in the future.
Quote from: GoPerry on November 21, 2015, 03:29:18 PM
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Quote from: Footy23 on November 21, 2015, 03:01:39 PM
I dont see how the wheaton loras game takes place tonight with the rock bowl receiving 10-12 inches over night. With wheaton not playing on sundays...theories on when it will be played if they cant get it in tonight?
Wheaton/Loras postponed until on Monday . . . just posted on Wheaton site.
Surprising. It's not snowing anymore right? Couldn't get the snow removed soon enough I guess?
Nearly a foot of snow on the field. Religious exemption for Wheaton, so now the players will have to miss classes for another teams religious restrictions.
Loras players probably won't miss anything if they play the game in the afternoon. Wheaton players certainly will.
Game time is 1:00pm and Wheaton is staying in Dubuque until game time.
Trinity beats Brandeis 2-0. Judges were punished for some slack defending, but Trinity was no doubt the better side on the day. Brandeis had some memorable moments this season, including winning the UAA title outright for the first time, and beating then-No.1 Tufts away from home. They lose some big players in Lanahan, Picard, and Lynch, but bring back a lot next year. Trinity will be a good matchup for Amherst tomorrow. Excited to see that one.
Congratulations to Calvin. A very deserving team. Stayed in the game all the way, had plenty of their own chances with a bunch of corners and dangerous throws, and unfortunately for Kenyon got one late on a routine but failed clearance that put a kid in for a clear breakaway. The Calvin defense was outstanding. Even better than I thought and I knew they were good. Numerous times I thought a ball would bounce right in or right outside the box for Kenyon but the Knights continually would cut off the last ball or get to a ball that looked 50/50. GK was very good again and had to make a good save before Calvin scored. Calvin has beaten 3 very good teams back to back to back, including 2 on their home fields. An impressive and courageous effort. 24-0-1. Enough said. Not sure they have quite enough to win it all, but they will try their darnedest. One thing I was going to mention before but decided not to that truly impressed me.... Right before the 2nd half kickoff when Calvin played OWU (and they were down 1-0 after getting really outplayed), their coach was in the final huddle with his team on the field. Personally I've never seen that. And he is very gracious in his comments and the opposing team after every game. A very impressive young coach.
As for Kenyon....ugghh....heartbreaking. Hard to imagine having a better chance to get to and possibly win a final 4. The Lords had their share of good fortune to get to today, and the good fortune ran out. They did enough to win in a very even game. I thought they really needed to get a goal in the 1st half when Kenyon had them pinned in for long stretches but Calvin prevented many or any really good shot opportunities. Seemed in the last 15-20 minutes they were starting to turn the screws and were going to break through, after weathering a period with a lot of Calvin deep throws and corners, but it wasn't to be today. Painful and I'm sure the players and coaches are just devastated. Didn't play a clean game by any means, but I still thought they could get through. Very proud of all of them and they definitely tried as hard as they could, even after they only had 6 minutes to equalize. Congrats to Jeremiah Barnes on an outstanding career. Played his guts out for all 4 years and throughout this tournament. He's the only departing player so Kenyon will be good again, but as we all know these chances don't grow on trees. You are never assured of getting to a certain stage again.
Domino was right....was gonna be a 1-0 or 0-0 game. Not the outcome I was expecting today.
So all four men's Sweet 16 games today were 2-0 scorelines.
You'd expect more OT games as the tournament progresses and the opponents become more evenly matched, but . . .
1st Round: 6 OT games (6/29 = 20.6%) - 1 went to PK's
2nd Round: 4 OT games (4/16 = 25%) - 2 went to PK's
Sweet 16: 1 OT game (1/8 = 12.5%) - no PK's
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 20, 2015, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 16, 2015, 04:47:48 PM
If Haverford and Oneonta advance, that game will be an up-and-down battle.
Predictions:
Amherst 2, Lycoming 0
Trinity 1, Brandeis 0
Haverford 2, SLU 1
Oneonta St 3, MIT 0
Loras 2, DePauw 1
Wheaton 3, St. Olaf 1
Tufts 1, Kenyon 1. PKs
F&M 2, Calvin 1.
Today fairly straight forward. Which likely dog will pull it off? Will be in attendance at Haverford regardless of who makes it. Four very good teams in that pod
Amherst 1, Trinity 0.
Oneonta St 2, Haverford 0.
Loras 2, Wheaton 1.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 21, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: GoPerry on November 21, 2015, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: Footy23 on November 21, 2015, 03:01:39 PM
I dont see how the wheaton loras game takes place tonight with the rock bowl receiving 10-12 inches over night. With wheaton not playing on sundays...theories on when it will be played if they cant get it in tonight?
Wheaton/Loras postponed until on Monday . . . just posted on Wheaton site.
Surprising. It's not snowing anymore right? Couldn't get the snow removed soon enough I guess?
Nearly a foot of snow on the field. Religious exemption for Wheaton, so now the players will have to miss classes for another teams religious restrictions.
Hard to complain about Loras players having to miss class "for another teams religious restrictions" when it's their own facility that wasn't prepared to clear off the field and get the game in today.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 21, 2015, 03:43:31 PM
Game time is 1:00pm and Wheaton is staying in Dubuque until game time.
If true, not sure that makes a lot of sense. Team can leave now and be home just after dinner. Either way, further favors the DuHawks.
Quote from: GoPerry on November 21, 2015, 04:10:34 PM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 21, 2015, 03:43:31 PM
Game time is 1:00pm and Wheaton is staying in Dubuque until game time.
If true, not sure that makes a lot of sense. Team can leave now and be home just after dinner. Either way, further favors the DuHawks.
Travel wasn't advised today due to road conditions according to the DOT, not sure if that is a factor or not.
A few comments......
Great year for Brandeis. Their weakness would be if they fell behind, and that's what happened today. Just need a little more fire power. Yes, as Bloots mentioned, awful way for Kenyon to lose, especially having home field advantage. Ironically, similar to Tufts the day before, a loss at the end of the game. The score was close and Kenyon did well to possess but couldn't get it on net. Kenyon had a great year also and will be very good next year. As Meg stated, I do agree that their midfield did not play as well today as they did against Tufts. They expended a lot of energy against the Tufts midfield the day before, double marking Kayne on defense and pushing up well on offense. They just didn't have the same rythym as yesterday....Yes, as mentioned, Barnes played fantastic yesterday, but quite the opposite today, especially being kicked out of the game towards the end with the red. I feel bad because it's a tough way to end a career, however, as NCAC said, he had an excellent career and should be very proud....Calvin deserves much credit. Even though Kenyon had the ball more, the score could have been 3-0 with 2 blown great chances. They have an excellent keeper. Their team speed was not as good as Kenyon's but they bent and didn't break. They have a chance! Watch out for Trinity.
What does the Loras field look like Kickin?
Calvin had one shot on goal...the goal.
Now two Vegters for Calvin have gone to Final Fours as freshmen.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 21, 2015, 05:41:04 PM
Calvin had one shot on goal...the goal.
Now two Vegters for Calvin have gone to Final Fours as freshmen.
Calvin is a high functioning high school team. Their backs are a fortress, they have three of the fastest white boys playing soccer up top. I saw three better soccer teams these past two weekends, but look who's moving on. You can gnash teeth and mutter about their quality - but they play well as a unit.
Kenyon really did shut down their wingers today - man of the match was #26 in the center of the park. Hardly the biggest or fastest - great poise and possession skills. Was all over the place. And their keeper came up big when called upon. That "face save" early in the game tells you how tough he is.
Quote from: d3fan1 on November 21, 2015, 05:33:33 PM
What does the Loras field look like Kickin?
Imagine the stay puff marshmallow man exploding 11" deep. Wet heavy crap. They have crews working right now.
Off topic a bit here, but had to brag and give a shout out to my University of Northern Iowa Panthers men's basketball team for taking down #1 North Carolina! Go Panthers!!!
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 21, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 21, 2015, 05:41:04 PM
Calvin had one shot on goal...the goal.
Now two Vegters for Calvin have gone to Final Fours as freshmen.
Calvin is a high functioning high school team. Their backs are a fortress, they have three of the fastest white boys playing soccer up top. I saw three better soccer teams these past two weekends, but look who's moving on. You can gnash teeth and mutter about their quality - but they play well as a unit.
Kenyon really did shut down their wingers today - man of the match was #26 in the center of the park. Hardly the biggest or fastest - great poise and possession skills. Was all over the place. And their keeper came up big when called upon. That "face save" early in the game tells you how tough he is.
High functioning high school team? What do u mean by that? Who were the better teams?
The fact that they postponed this game due to snow on the field is absolutely ridiculous....they had an entire day to remove it I thought??
With the 1-0 victory over Kenyon, Calvin's keeper, Giantsopoulos, recorded his 19th shutout of the season--a new NCAA D3 record. The previous record was 18, set by Joel Wallace of MacMurray in 1991.
His season goals-against average of 0.20 is tied for sixth-best in the record book. However, of keepers with more than 1818 minutes played in a season, the 0.20 goals-against rate is the best ever.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to last year's stats except at MasseyRatings.com, and a couple of games are missing. But it looks as though Calvin gave up 10 goals last year, meaning that Giantsopoulos' career goals against average with the Knights (2 years) would be about 0.32. The current NCAA D3 record is 0.35 for Brian Bush, 2005-8, Middlebury.
Quote from: Dark Knight on November 22, 2015, 05:51:22 AM
With the 1-0 victory over Kenyon, Calvin's keeper, Giantsopoulos, recorded his 19th shutout of the season--a new NCAA D3 record. The previous record was 18, set by Joel Wallace of MacMurray in 1991.
His season goals-against average of 0.20 is tied for sixth-best in the record book. However, of keepers with more than 1818 minutes played in a season, the 0.20 goals-against rate is the best ever.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to last year's stats except at MasseyRatings.com, and a couple of games are missing. But it looks as though Calvin gave up 10 goals last year, meaning that Giantsopoulos' career goals against average with the Knights (2 years) would be about 0.32. The current NCAA D3 record is 0.35 for Brian Bush, 2005-8, Middlebury.
Nice stats, but Loras keper recorded 19 shutouts also in 2007.
Quote from: Brother Flounder on November 21, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 21, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 21, 2015, 05:41:04 PM
Calvin had one shot on goal...the goal.
Now two Vegters for Calvin have gone to Final Fours as freshmen.
Calvin is a high functioning high school team. Their backs are a fortress, they have three of the fastest white boys playing soccer up top. I saw three better soccer teams these past two weekends, but look who's moving on. You can gnash teeth and mutter about their quality - but they play well as a unit.
Kenyon really did shut down their wingers today - man of the match was #26 in the center of the park. Hardly the biggest or fastest - great poise and possession skills. Was all over the place. And their keeper came up big when called upon. That "face save" early in the game tells you how tough he is.
High functioning high school team? What do u mean by that? Who were the better teams?
They are a straight vanilla, north-south team. Hard working, simple game plan. Not what I would can a possession-style team - rarely swing the ball from side to side. The defenders clear, the midfielders fight to regain the ball, the forwards fly in their channels. They have very important individuals supported by competent complementary players. Tufts, Chicago and Kenyon were fun to watch and resembled more of what I would expect to see in the final four.
But there's something to be said for their team execution: they Get It Done.
Quote from: Dark Knight on November 22, 2015, 05:51:22 AM
With the 1-0 victory over Kenyon, Calvin's keeper, Giantsopoulos, recorded his 19th shutout of the season--a new NCAA D3 record. The previous record was 18, set by Joel Wallace of MacMurray in 1991.
His season goals-against average of 0.20 is tied for sixth-best in the record book. However, of keepers with more than 1818 minutes played in a season, the 0.20 goals-against rate is the best ever.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to last year's stats except at MasseyRatings.com, and a couple of games are missing. But it looks as though Calvin gave up 10 goals last year, meaning that Giantsopoulos' career goals against average with the Knights (2 years) would be about 0.32. The current NCAA D3 record is 0.35 for Brian Bush, 2005-8, Middlebury.
Drew recorded 21 shutouts in 25 games during the 2003 season. Peter Boyer has the record for 17 straight games without conceding a goal..
I'll be routing for the Knights because they also have a shot a history to reach 26 wins...
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 22, 2015, 10:20:05 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on November 22, 2015, 05:51:22 AM
With the 1-0 victory over Kenyon, Calvin's keeper, Giantsopoulos, recorded his 19th shutout of the season--a new NCAA D3 record. The previous record was 18, set by Joel Wallace of MacMurray in 1991.
His season goals-against average of 0.20 is tied for sixth-best in the record book. However, of keepers with more than 1818 minutes played in a season, the 0.20 goals-against rate is the best ever.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to last year's stats except at MasseyRatings.com, and a couple of games are missing. But it looks as though Calvin gave up 10 goals last year, meaning that Giantsopoulos' career goals against average with the Knights (2 years) would be about 0.32. The current NCAA D3 record is 0.35 for Brian Bush, 2005-8, Middlebury.
Drew recorded 21 shutouts in 25 games during the 2003 season. Peter Boyer has the record for 17 straight games without conceding a goal..
I'll be routing for the Knights because they also have a shot a history to reach 26 wins...
Neither Drew nor Loras keepers are mentioned in the NCAA record book
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_soccer_RB/2015/Div3.pdf
Perhaps they weren't all solo shutouts, or they weren't all against DIII teams.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 20, 2015, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 19, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
My picks for Elite 8:
Lycoming
Trinity
Loras
Wheaton (Ill)
Haverford
SUNY Oneonta
Kenyon
F&M
My only miss so far is F&M. Tomorrow could be different.
Well I had 6 out of 8 correct - missed on F&M and Lycoming
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 22, 2015, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: Brother Flounder on November 21, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 21, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 21, 2015, 05:41:04 PM
Calvin had one shot on goal...the goal.
Now two Vegters for Calvin have gone to Final Fours as freshmen.
Calvin is a high functioning high school team. Their backs are a fortress, they have three of the fastest white boys playing soccer up top. I saw three better soccer teams these past two weekends, but look who's moving on. You can gnash teeth and mutter about their quality - but they play well as a unit.
Kenyon really did shut down their wingers today - man of the match was #26 in the center of the park. Hardly the biggest or fastest - great poise and possession skills. Was all over the place. And their keeper came up big when called upon. That "face save" early in the game tells you how tough he is.
High functioning high school team? What do u mean by that? Who were the better teams?
They are a straight vanilla, north-south team. Hard working, simple game plan. Not what I would can a possession-style team - rarely swing the ball from side to side. The defenders clear, the midfielders fight to regain the ball, the forwards fly in their channels. They have very important individuals supported by competent complementary players. Tufts, Chicago and Kenyon were fun to watch and resembled more of what I would expect to see in the final four.
But there's something to be said for their team execution: they Get It Done.
You have to
defend well and
score to win soccer games and championships - all the possession oriented and "pretty" soccer in between those two things doesn't amount to a hill of beans unless it contributes in some meaningful way to those two things. I suppose we can resort to all the name calling we want to ("high functioning high school team", "straight vanilla, north-south team", etc), but the fact of the matter is Calvin has faired better than 3 of the 4 New England teams in the sweet 16 so far. And they have punched their ticket to the final 4. (Are we going to start saying they have an unfair recruiting advantage too because they are a Christian college?).
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 22, 2015, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on November 22, 2015, 05:51:22 AM
With the 1-0 victory over Kenyon, Calvin's keeper, Giantsopoulos, recorded his 19th shutout of the season--a new NCAA D3 record. The previous record was 18, set by Joel Wallace of MacMurray in 1991.
His season goals-against average of 0.20 is tied for sixth-best in the record book. However, of keepers with more than 1818 minutes played in a season, the 0.20 goals-against rate is the best ever.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to last year's stats except at MasseyRatings.com, and a couple of games are missing. But it looks as though Calvin gave up 10 goals last year, meaning that Giantsopoulos' career goals against average with the Knights (2 years) would be about 0.32. The current NCAA D3 record is 0.35 for Brian Bush, 2005-8, Middlebury.
Nice stats, but Loras keper recorded 19 shutouts also in 2007.
Amherst's Bull also set a record yesterday--most career shutouts at 48.
From the school website:
"With his 48th career clean sheet, Bull passes Mac Church of Ohio Northern who totaled 47 shutouts between 2009-12. The Montgomery, N.J. native now has a 0.21 goals against average (four goals allowed), and 62 saves this season."
http://athletics.amherst.edu/sports/msoc/2015-16/releases/20151121pexwwe
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 22, 2015, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: Brother Flounder on November 21, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 21, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 21, 2015, 05:41:04 PM
Calvin had one shot on goal...the goal.
Now two Vegters for Calvin have gone to Final Fours as freshmen.
Calvin is a high functioning high school team. Their backs are a fortress, they have three of the fastest white boys playing soccer up top. I saw three better soccer teams these past two weekends, but look who's moving on. You can gnash teeth and mutter about their quality - but they play well as a unit.
Kenyon really did shut down their wingers today - man of the match was #26 in the center of the park. Hardly the biggest or fastest - great poise and possession skills. Was all over the place. And their keeper came up big when called upon. That "face save" early in the game tells you how tough he is.
High functioning high school team? What do u mean by that? Who were the better teams?
They are a straight vanilla, north-south team. Hard working, simple game plan. Not what I would can a possession-style team - rarely swing the ball from side to side. The defenders clear, the midfielders fight to regain the ball, the forwards fly in their channels. They have very important individuals supported by competent complementary players. Tufts, Chicago and Kenyon were fun to watch and resembled more of what I would expect to see in the final four.
But there's something to be said for their team execution: they Get It Done.
Gotcha... Thanks!
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 22, 2015, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: Brother Flounder on November 21, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 21, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 21, 2015, 05:41:04 PM
Calvin had one shot on goal...the goal.
Now two Vegters for Calvin have gone to Final Fours as freshmen.
Calvin is a high functioning high school team. Their backs are a fortress, they have three of the fastest white boys playing soccer up top. I saw three better soccer teams these past two weekends, but look who's moving on. You can gnash teeth and mutter about their quality - but they play well as a unit.
Kenyon really did shut down their wingers today - man of the match was #26 in the center of the park. Hardly the biggest or fastest - great poise and possession skills. Was all over the place. And their keeper came up big when called upon. That "face save" early in the game tells you how tough he is.
High functioning high school team? What do u mean by that? Who were the better teams?
They are a straight vanilla, north-south team. Hard working, simple game plan. Not what I would can a possession-style team - rarely swing the ball from side to side. The defenders clear, the midfielders fight to regain the ball, the forwards fly in their channels. They have very important individuals supported by competent complementary players. Tufts, Chicago and Kenyon were fun to watch and resembled more of what I would expect to see in the final four.
But there's something to be said for their team execution: they Get It Done.
Honestly, I think part of the impression with Calvin comes from the plain vanilla uniforms that look like a cross between rec league kits and old-style Penn State football uniforms and looking out on the field and seeing very little that strikes fear in your heart besides the star CB and the Vegter throw-ins. They have good soccer players, but they mostly are youngish-looking all-white kids on the small side. Who would have thought after they opened the season with a tie against Endicott and a 1-0 win over Gordon that they would be sitting at 24-0-1 and in the Final Four? An amazing story, a feel-good, inspirational coach, and a destiny vibe. What's not to like? To the extent that I can even pay attention from here on out, I'll probably be rooting for them.
Hard to swallow that Kenyon is not in the Final Four right now. That was a game where I thought they needed to score in the first 30-35 minutes. Once you allow the game to go kind of random then random things happen. I would have preferred Calvin scoring off a corner or a throw than a completely avoidable Kenyon defensive mishap. Going back to the Wabash game, and then including the first game with OWU, the Chicago game, and even in the first half with Calvin, Kenyon had an alarming number of weird botches and miscommunications between either the midfield or back line and the GK. Not sure what that was about, and sadly fitting that they ended up giving up a freebie to Calvin on a similar kind of miscue to end their season. At any rate, with 10 minutes left yesterday I actually still felt pretty good about Kenyon's chances and if they had gone to OT, but at that point in a 0-0 game you are really rolling the dice.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_soccer_RB/2015/Div3.pdf
Pages 9, 12, and 15
Today is the battle of two teams that consistently under perform in the NCAA's. Amherst v Trinity TX. The difference is Trinity dows have the 2003 NCAA Championship. Amherst has 2 Final 4's in 1997 and 2008. Both teams should have at least 2 NCAA Championships. Who advances? I have no clue. I was impressed with Trinity TX yesterday but I thought Brandeis had one of its flattest games this year and I feel for them. Amherts is used to losing in the Elite 8 to Williams but Trinity does not know Amherst like Williams did. I say Amherst prevails but honestly it's a toss up.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 22, 2015, 11:11:55 AM
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Quote from: NCAC New England on November 21, 2015, 05:41:04 PM
Calvin had one shot on goal...the goal.
Now two Vegters for Calvin have gone to Final Fours as freshmen.
Calvin is a high functioning high school team. Their backs are a fortress, they have three of the fastest white boys playing soccer up top. I saw three better soccer teams these past two weekends, but look who's moving on. You can gnash teeth and mutter about their quality - but they play well as a unit.
Kenyon really did shut down their wingers today - man of the match was #26 in the center of the park. Hardly the biggest or fastest - great poise and possession skills. Was all over the place. And their keeper came up big when called upon. That "face save" early in the game tells you how tough he is.
High functioning high school team? What do u mean by that? Who were the better teams?
They are a straight vanilla, north-south team. Hard working, simple game plan. Not what I would can a possession-style team - rarely swing the ball from side to side. The defenders clear, the midfielders fight to regain the ball, the forwards fly in their channels. They have very important individuals supported by competent complementary players. Tufts, Chicago and Kenyon were fun to watch and resembled more of what I would expect to see in the final four.
But there's something to be said for their team execution: they Get It Done.
You have to defend well and score to win soccer games and championships - all the possession oriented and "pretty" soccer in between those two things doesn't amount to a hill of beans unless it contributes in some meaningful way to those two things. I suppose we can resort to all the name calling we want to ("high functioning high school team", "straight vanilla, north-south team", etc), but the fact of the matter is Calvin has faired better than 3 of the 4 New England teams in the sweet 16 so far. And they have punched their ticket to the final 4. (Are we going to start saying they have an unfair recruiting advantage too because they are a Christian college?).
I feel you are reading animus in my comments that I did not mean to imply - and I had no intent to resort to name calling. I think the descriptors I use accurately describe their style of play - heck I'll toss in another: blue collar. I take back high functioning high school if that helps . . .
I watch these games with an eye for what wins, what qualities are common across the teams that go through. I have insisted that camaraderie and chemistry are the most important qualities a winning soccer team MUST possess. Style of play - sure, I have a preference. Not an Arsenal fan but aren't they pretty to watch (at times - yesterday - not so much). Calvin has a great team environment - no dysfunction - at least in what was visible to me the past two weekends. Players know their roles and execute them for the full 90 minutes. If there is a potential flaw it would be in #5: he lives on the edge of two yellow cards every game. In that skirmish in the second half - he grabs the jersey of the Kenyon player and pulls him down on top of him. CR let the play go (for once - he had a way of slowing the game down with whistles that didn't necessarily need to be used). #5 very animatedly yelled at AR1 for over a minute - should have been booked for dissent. And the funny thing - the foul should have been called on him!
NCAC - chemistry is something Kenyon needs to further develop. Yesterday you could see and hear some bickering. Players not getting the ball when and where they thought they should for example. They certainly have the talent.
Yeah, Domino, I thought the ref did Kenyon no favors. Called a ton of touch fouls on the Lords and let some much harder stuff from Calvin go. Seemed unbelievable Barnes didn't a call when he was taken out right outside the box. Is the play you are talking about with #5 the play Barnes got sent off on? I don't fault Barnes too much for getting a 2nd yellow (although that would have been a problem if they won), as there were only 2 minutes left and that certainly did not decide the game. His real mistake was getting the 1st yellow for waving off the ref on a call leaving him with no margin for error, forgetting that the ref earlier had given him a gift by not giving him a yellow in the first minute or two in the game when he came in hard on a challenge. I'm guessing the ref resented Barnes' pretty minor dissent after giving him a break earlier. Let's be honest. Kenyon also really missed Carmona. We lost the ball in the midfield needlessly time after time after time, and that's been a theme for a while. My sense is the chemistry is pretty good, but when you have a bunch of talented kids and you're frustrated certainly there can be breakdowns and even complaints about who is favored and who isn't.
Domino
Great reply. Thanks for clarifying.
Was the correct player called for offsides, was he involved in the play?
Haverford-Oneonta is a great matchup so far. Oneonta hit the bar with a free-kick and then Haverford had the ball in the net - called back for offsides.
Anyone else having trouble with the Amherst stream? I hear the audio but my screen is black. Didn't have that problem yesterday.
Edit: now it works. Weird.
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Haverford-Oneonta is a great matchup so far. Oneonta hit the bar with a free-kick and then Haverford had the ball in the net - called back for offsides.
Anyone else having trouble with the Amherst stream? I hear the audio but my screen is black. Didn't have that problem yesterday.
Edit: now it works. Weird.
I am having the same issue with the feed
Oof! Trinity hits the bar with Bull beaten. What a chance.
Trinity showing speed and skill but Amherst showing physicality and height. Trinity's GK looks very suspect. I hope that will not be the difference
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http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_soccer_RB/2015/Div3.pdf
Pages 9, 12, and 15
Sorry, I meant that they aren't mentioned in the solo shutouts in a season record, page 5. Several other good appearances, though.
That was a nice sequence by Oneonta that almost resulted in a goal there.
Great save by the Trinity GK. Martin was in alone and he came up huge.
Wow....Amherst Christopher Martin in alone on Trinity GK and flubbed it right into GK..Big mistake. Amherst should be up 1-0
Haverford starting the 2nd half with back-up keeper who subbed in when their starter left injured last in the 1st half.
Best announcer comment of the NCAA's....."Amherst coaches pacing about like caged animals"
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Best announcer comment of the NCAA's....."Amherst coaches pacing about like caged animals"
Honorable Mention: "Trinity's bench is sitting like they're waiting for a bus."
I'm hoping for overtime so I can get back home and watch some of the games
Wow. Two great 0-0 games headed to overtime.
Passiatore sent off for the Red Dragons for a bad challenge on Corkery, who has been MOTM for me thus far. Both teams with some great chances and playing some great possession soccer. Either would be a worthy Final 4 team and could very well see either one winning it all.
Amherst and Trinity has seen Amherst shade it on the balance of play, but Trinity has had its chances and has grown into the game as it's gone on. I'm tempted to pick Amherst, but then again Amherst has fallen at this stage before...
That Gibson save..... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Red Dragons advance on a corner after a stelar save by the Haverford goalie.
Phenomenal save by the Haverford goalie. Heartbreak for the Fords from the following corner. What a brutal way to end a great season.
Huge heartbreak. Haverford absolutely dominated that game.
It wasn't pretty, but Amherst is back in the Final 4. Trinity switched off for 1 second and it cost them. Fitting for Amherst that NPL scored the only goal of the game in 2OT.
Had to figure that Trinity was going to give up one throw or corner too many. Surprised they kept Amherst off the board as long they did. Has there ever been a team with so many players 6'5 or taller?
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That Gibson save..... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
World class save right there Goose!
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Had to figure that Trinity was going to give up one throw or corner too many. Surprised they kept Amherst off the board as long they did. Has there ever been a team with so many players 6'5 or taller?
the only team that comes to mind would be Calvin from a few years ago. Not sure how many they actually had, but they all seemed like skyscrapers against opposing teams.
Oneonta did not look like best team in the country today. And now Amherst gets them with a key player out on red card suspension.
The Elite 8 games this year have been phenomenal from a competitive standpoint. Very even match-ups. And maybe the best one still to come tomorrow.
I can't wait for this Loras/Wheaton game tomorrow!!!!
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Neither Drew nor Loras keepers are mentioned in the NCAA record book
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_soccer_RB/2015/Div3.pdf
Perhaps they weren't all solo shutouts, or they weren't all against DIII teams.
This is not to anything away from Calvin's keeper, Giantsopoulos. Just wanted to mention some things to take into account.
First, the Drew keeper Peter Boyer is mentioned. He's second on the list in the current record book with 17 solo shutouts.
Second, the NCAA record books often have omissions and errors (e.g. Peter Boyer's .940 save pct. in 2003 is NOT included). I can't remember how many I have stumbled upon over the years and have e-mail the NCAA about. Some seem to get corrected in subsequent years, some do not. So don't take the NCAA record books to be 100% accurate/true.
Third, how much stock you put in goalkeeper shutouts, that is, solo shutouts, as a stat should be done in the knowledge that if a 'keeper is substituted out to give the back-up some minutes, there goes the solo shutout. Consequently, you'll have some 'keepers lower on the list simply because their coaches wanted to take advantage of games well in hand to give a back-up some experience.
In the case of Drew's Peter Boyer, he missed two games in 2003, both shutouts, and was subbed out a few times including twice in shutouts--9 and 20 minutes from time--with Drew leading 3-0. So that's how his solo shutout total was 17 while Drew had 21 total shutouts that year. (BTW, does anyone remember if he was dealing with any injury or ailment that year--I think I vaguely remember that being the case and why he missed those games).
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Yeah, Domino, I thought the ref did Kenyon no favors. Called a ton of touch fouls on the Lords and let some much harder stuff from Calvin go. Seemed unbelievable Barnes didn't a call when he was taken out right outside the box. Is the play you are talking about with #5 the play Barnes got sent off on? I don't fault Barnes too much for getting a 2nd yellow (although that would have been a problem if they won), as there were only 2 minutes left and that certainly did not decide the game. His real mistake was getting the 1st yellow for waving off the ref on a call leaving him with no margin for error, forgetting that the ref earlier had given him a gift by not giving him a yellow in the first minute or two in the game when he came in hard on a challenge. I'm guessing the ref resented Barnes' pretty minor dissent after giving him a break earlier. Let's be honest. Kenyon also really missed Carmona. We lost the ball in the midfield needlessly time after time after time, and that's been a theme for a while. My sense is the chemistry is pretty good, but when you have a bunch of talented kids and you're frustrated certainly there can be breakdowns and even complaints about who is favored and who isn't.
I believe building a team at the college level has to be one of the most difficult coaching jobs. By the time you get to U15 club, the boys - and the parents - buy in to the role each player has on the squad (those who don't - leave). A college coach has 20+ players who were "all world" - and starting all over again does sit well for those who well, have to sit. Managing expectations and egos is a huge coaching challenge - and dare I say more so in the Age of Entitlement that defines today's youth.
OWU players I have know tell me how Jay tells them straight out: "You aren't going to play as a freshman." Of course some do - but I think - from what I've been told - his management of expectations - one of the keys to life - is excellent. That, and letting players know where they are on the depth chart throughout their careers, can go a long way to creating a good team environment.
The play I'm referring to happened right at midfield. Two Kenyon players were involved; one had their arm wrapped backwards around 5 - 5 was doing the same back. As they remained tangled and started to spin 5 grabbed the other Kenyon player's shirt and pulled all down with him. Gave quite a theatrical cry as he fell.
The Barnes incident in the corner was a dive - even the Kenyon fans around me agreed.
The ref refused to allow any quick restarts unless the ball was placed on the exact blade of grass on which the foul occurred. Annoying. Inconsistent with things he called and let go. I thought the foul right on top of the 18 - first half - when #11 was dribbling across the 18 - on his right foot and about to shoot - was a crazy example. But I do not think he impacted the game, and as referees that's a "compliment" you want to hear.
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Yeah, Domino, I thought the ref did Kenyon no favors. Called a ton of touch fouls on the Lords and let some much harder stuff from Calvin go. Seemed unbelievable Barnes didn't a call when he was taken out right outside the box. Is the play you are talking about with #5 the play Barnes got sent off on? I don't fault Barnes too much for getting a 2nd yellow (although that would have been a problem if they won), as there were only 2 minutes left and that certainly did not decide the game. His real mistake was getting the 1st yellow for waving off the ref on a call leaving him with no margin for error, forgetting that the ref earlier had given him a gift by not giving him a yellow in the first minute or two in the game when he came in hard on a challenge. I'm guessing the ref resented Barnes' pretty minor dissent after giving him a break earlier. Let's be honest. Kenyon also really missed Carmona. We lost the ball in the midfield needlessly time after time after time, and that's been a theme for a while. My sense is the chemistry is pretty good, but when you have a bunch of talented kids and you're frustrated certainly there can be breakdowns and even complaints about who is favored and who isn't.
I believe building a team at the college level has to be one of the most difficult coaching jobs. By the time you get to U15 club, the boys - and the parents - buy in to the role each player has on the squad (those who don't - leave). A college coach has 20+ players who were "all world" - and starting all over again does sit well for those who well, have to sit. Managing expectations and egos is a huge coaching challenge - and dare I say more so in the Age of Entitlement that defines today's youth.
OWU players I have know tell me how Jay tells them straight out: "You aren't going to play as a freshman." Of course some do - but I think - from what I've been told - his management of expectations - one of the keys to life - is excellent. That, and letting players know where they are on the depth chart throughout their careers, can go a long way to creating a good team environment.
The play I'm referring to happened right at midfield. Two Kenyon players were involved; one had their arm wrapped backwards around 5 - 5 was doing the same back. As they remained tangled and started to spin 5 grabbed the other Kenyon player's shirt and pulled all down with him. Gave quite a theatrical cry as he fell.
The Barnes incident in the corner was a dive - even the Kenyon fans around me agreed.
The ref refused to allow any quick restarts unless the ball was placed on the exact blade of grass on which the foul occurred. Annoying. Inconsistent with things he called and let go. I thought the foul right on top of the 18 - first half - when #11 was dribbling across the 18 - on his right foot and about to shoot - was a crazy example. But I do not think he impacted the game, and as referees that's a "compliment" you want to hear.
I also noticed some Kenyon "flopping" and bickering in the Kenyon tufts game.... Note: the flopping had no real bearing on the game but it was there on a few occasions...
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 22, 2015, 03:23:59 PM
Had to figure that Trinity was going to give up one throw or corner too many. Surprised they kept Amherst off the board as long they did. Has there ever been a team with so many players 6'5 or taller?
Amherst 2012.....
Sure the Panthers handled North Carolina, but can they beat Dubuque? :D
Domino, I understand what you mean about Calvin. I am a huge Calvin supporter and I don't think they have been given enough credit throughout this tournament, but they did need to switch the field more against Kenyon. It was definitely there. Hopefully they can make some adjustments and if they do, they will be very difficult to beat with that defense they have. You sure can't doubt their results, though.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 22, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
Oneonta did not look like best team in the country today. And now Amherst gets them with a key player out on red card suspension.
What happened? I was watching another match
Congrats to all final four teams so far. there's no better feeling than going to Thanksgiving knowing you're going to Kansas City. Good luck to loras tomorrow. Hoping for a Loras, Oneonta, Calvin, Amherst. I believe it will be one of the most interesting final hours in recent years!
Quote from: d3fan1 on November 22, 2015, 04:47:21 PM
Domino, I understand what you mean about Calvin. I am a huge Calvin supporter and I don't think they have been given enough credit throughout this tournament, but they did need to switch the field more against Kenyon. It was definitely there. Hopefully they can make some adjustments and if they do, they will be very difficult to beat with that defense they have. You sure can't doubt their results, though.
Not sure they need or should make adjustments - it's not broken!
My son's club and HS coach had a statement printed on the front of their warm-up t-shirts: "Defending our goal as we would defend our mother's honor." That's where championships start - and many times end - keeping the other team off the score sheet.
Anyone see the Oneonta vs Haverford game? I was watching another game.
It looks like the Fords dominated the game game but would love to hear if someone watched to give details. Great season for their program who has been willing to play a tough schedule since Coach Rineer took over. They lose 4 seniors but should be back in contention next year returning 8 starters.
Congrats to Amherst, Oneonta and Calvin so far.
Quote from: backyarddawg on November 22, 2015, 09:57:18 PM
Anyone see the Oneonta vs Haverford game? I was watching another game.
It looks like the Fords dominated the game game but would love to hear if someone watched to give details. Great season for their program who has been willing to play a tough schedule since Coach Rineer took over. They lose 4 seniors but should be back in contention next year returning 8 starters.
Congrats to Amherst, Oneonta and Calvin so far.
Haverford played very well, and I would say had the better of play. But Oneonta especially in the first half had its moments, and put together some really good stuff. They are definitely legit and while I think it was an absolutely brutal way for Haverford to lose that Oneonta have to very much be in the hunt for the big prize based on the way they play. They have stout defense, good goalkeeping, an excellent midfield, and great forwards, and are fun to watch in my opinion.
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I can't wait for this Loras/Wheaton game tomorrow!!!!
Time change from 1pm to 2pm CT Monday
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My picks for Elite 8:
Lycoming
Trinity
Loras
Wheaton (Ill)
Haverford
SUNY Oneonta
Kenyon
F&M
My only miss so far is F&M. Tomorrow could be different.
Well I had 6 out of 8 correct - missed on F&M and Lycoming
Yes very well done. F&M had arguably the easiest path to the final 4 out of the teams from the Mid-Atlantic region and they gave that chance away. Hard to understand how Haverford and Lycoming got such difficult draws considering they were 1 and 2 in the region. I am sure the Fords and Lyco would have loved to take their chances with the draw that F&M got.
Unfortunate for Lycoming in the Amherst game that the officiating crew was sub par at best. One of the worst PK's I have seen in quite some time or maybe ever and it completely changed the way the game was being played. They took what could have been a great game down the stretch (if Amherst was up 1-0 the rest of the way) and ruined it and the flow by giving a PK for who knows what. Very sad to see games blown at this stage of the season by an official. Amherst clearly the better team but still a rough outing for Lycoming who strung together an impressive season.
As for Amherst they are unlucky that they will face Oneonta St. in the final 4 and not the championship. What a game this should be! The other side of the bracket is extremely weak even at this point in the tournament. The winner of the Amherst/Oneonta St. game will be your national champion.
A great year for Haverford and a tough outing at home for the Fords. The best team in the Mid-Atlantic region start to finish and they should be proud of the way they performed. A tough goal to give up in an exciting contest. I was thoroughly looking forward to PK's in this game. But Oneonta is the best team in the country and they will be determined to get over the hump of losing in the final 4 last year.
I think that Oneonta St. will have too much pace and possession for Amherst to handle. Lycoming and Trinity both did well in possession and keeping Amherst off the ball but neither were very threatening going forward. They had chances but none that Bull couldn't handle. This is where I think Oneonta St. has the advantage. They will also possess the ball and keep Amherst off it, and they will also be very dangerous going forward which will cause troubles for Amherst. If Amherst wants to win this game then Bull needs to have another great game or his career and Amherst's season will be over.
I will give my thoughts and predictions later for the final 4, but my gut feeling right now is Oneonta St. 2 Amherst 1.
Great weekend of games and the final 4 will be even better. I am also still shocked that Calvin has made it this far. I truly underestimated them at the start of the tournament. Any thoughts on the upcoming Oneonta vs Amherst game?
No one should be surprised at Calvin being in the final 4 given their recent success. This is their 3rd trip to the final 4 in 7 years (2009, 2011, 2015). And they played in the finals the first 2 times. Outside of Messiah, Williams and now Oneonta (and possibly Loras), I don't believe any other programs have had that level of success during that time period. They may not have the one or two elite players that other teams have, but they find success in other ways including the traits mentioned in other posts such as teamwork and defense. Will be fun to watch the contrasting styles battle it out. Let's hope the weather cooperates and isn't a factor.
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My picks for Elite 8:
Lycoming
Trinity
Loras
Wheaton (Ill)
Haverford
SUNY Oneonta
Kenyon
F&M
My only miss so far is F&M. Tomorrow could be different.
Well I had 6 out of 8 correct - missed on F&M and Lycoming
Yes very well done. F&M had arguably the easiest path to the final 4 out of the teams from the Mid-Atlantic region and they gave that chance away. Hard to understand how Haverford and Lycoming got such difficult draws considering they were 1 and 2 in the region. I am sure the Fords and Lyco would have loved to take their chances with the draw that F&M got.
Unfortunate for Lycoming in the Amherst game that the officiating crew was sub par at best. One of the worst PK's I have seen in quite some time or maybe ever and it completely changed the way the game was being played. They took what could have been a great game down the stretch (if Amherst was up 1-0 the rest of the way) and ruined it and the flow by giving a PK for who knows what. Very sad to see games blown at this stage of the season by an official. Amherst clearly the better team but still a rough outing for Lycoming who strung together an impressive season.
As for Amherst they are unlucky that they will face Oneonta St. in the final 4 and not the championship. What a game this should be! The other side of the bracket is extremely weak even at this point in the tournament. The winner of the Amherst/Oneonta St. game will be your national champion.
A great year for Haverford and a tough outing at home for the Fords. The best team in the Mid-Atlantic region start to finish and they should be proud of the way they performed. A tough goal to give up in an exciting contest. I was thoroughly looking forward to PK's in this game. But Oneonta is the best team in the country and they will be determined to get over the hump of losing in the final 4 last year.
I think that Oneonta St. will have too much pace and possession for Amherst to handle. Lycoming and Trinity both did well in possession and keeping Amherst off the ball but neither were very threatening going forward. They had chances but none that Bull couldn't handle. This is where I think Oneonta St. has the advantage. They will also possess the ball and keep Amherst off it, and they will also be very dangerous going forward which will cause troubles for Amherst. If Amherst wants to win this game then Bull needs to have another great game or his career and Amherst's season will be over.
I will give my thoughts and predictions later for the final 4, but my gut feeling right now is Oneonta St. 2 Amherst 1.
Great weekend of games and the final 4 will be even better. I am also still shocked that Calvin has made it this far. I truly underestimated them at the start of the tournament. Any thoughts on the upcoming Oneonta vs Amherst game?
I think both brackets are strong so I have to disagree with you there. Also, Amherst is the team to beat at this point and that is why I gave them the best best odds to win it all in my odds section before the tournament. I'm sorry but Lycoming and even Trinity rarely posed a serious sniff at goal. Trinity hit the crossbar once. I was disappointed in Trinity as they were skilled but they could not hold up to Amherst physicality. They were not as good as other Trinity sides that I have seen in the past. That being said this is Amherst tournament to lose. They might overlook Oneonta if they see that Williams beat them 2-0 but I doubt it. Serpone will have them ready and they look motivated to win it all. To say that Oneonta will have to much pace and possession is ridiculous. If anything Amherst has plenty of pace up front and will break up any type of possession Oneonta will try to have in Amherst defensive half. Personally, if Loras can get by Wheaton today I think they would pose the most problems for Amherst as they can match the physicality and speed of Amherst.
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My picks for Elite 8:
Lycoming
Trinity
Loras
Wheaton (Ill)
Haverford
SUNY Oneonta
Kenyon
F&M
My only miss so far is F&M. Tomorrow could be different.
Well I had 6 out of 8 correct - missed on F&M and Lycoming
Yes very well done. F&M had arguably the easiest path to the final 4 out of the teams from the Mid-Atlantic region and they gave that chance away. Hard to understand how Haverford and Lycoming got such difficult draws considering they were 1 and 2 in the region. I am sure the Fords and Lyco would have loved to take their chances with the draw that F&M got.
Unfortunate for Lycoming in the Amherst game that the officiating crew was sub par at best. One of the worst PK's I have seen in quite some time or maybe ever and it completely changed the way the game was being played. They took what could have been a great game down the stretch (if Amherst was up 1-0 the rest of the way) and ruined it and the flow by giving a PK for who knows what. Very sad to see games blown at this stage of the season by an official. Amherst clearly the better team but still a rough outing for Lycoming who strung together an impressive season.
As for Amherst they are unlucky that they will face Oneonta St. in the final 4 and not the championship. What a game this should be! The other side of the bracket is extremely weak even at this point in the tournament. The winner of the Amherst/Oneonta St. game will be your national champion.
A great year for Haverford and a tough outing at home for the Fords. The best team in the Mid-Atlantic region start to finish and they should be proud of the way they performed. A tough goal to give up in an exciting contest. I was thoroughly looking forward to PK's in this game. But Oneonta is the best team in the country and they will be determined to get over the hump of losing in the final 4 last year.
I think that Oneonta St. will have too much pace and possession for Amherst to handle. Lycoming and Trinity both did well in possession and keeping Amherst off the ball but neither were very threatening going forward. They had chances but none that Bull couldn't handle. This is where I think Oneonta St. has the advantage. They will also possess the ball and keep Amherst off it, and they will also be very dangerous going forward which will cause troubles for Amherst. If Amherst wants to win this game then Bull needs to have another great game or his career and Amherst's season will be over.
I will give my thoughts and predictions later for the final 4, but my gut feeling right now is Oneonta St. 2 Amherst 1.
Great weekend of games and the final 4 will be even better. I am also still shocked that Calvin has made it this far. I truly underestimated them at the start of the tournament. Any thoughts on the upcoming Oneonta vs Amherst game?
I think both brackets are strong so I have to disagree with you there. Also, Amherst is the team to beat at this point and that is why I gave them the best best odds to win it all in my odds section before the tournament. I'm sorry but Lycoming and even Trinity rarely posed a serious sniff at goal. Trinity hit the crossbar once. I was disappointed in Trinity as they were skilled but they could not hold up to Amherst physicality. They were not as good as other Trinity sides that I have seen in the past. That being said this is Amherst tournament to lose. They might overlook Oneonta if they see that Williams beat them 2-0 but I doubt it. Serpone will have them ready and they look motivated to win it all. To say that Oneonta will have to much pace and possession is ridiculous. If anything Amherst has plenty of pace up front and will break up any type of possession Oneonta will try to have in Amherst defensive half. Personally, if Loras can get by Wheaton today I think they would pose the most problems for Amherst as they can match the physicality and speed of Amherst.
Have you watched Amherst or Oneonta St this year Mr. Right? Oneonta St is extremely dangerous going forward and Amherst is slow in the back. Trinity played the ball wide and across the field with no problem. With the finishers that Oneonta has there is no doubt in my mind that they will have multiple threatening chances against Amherst. With that being said Amherst is a force and should be the favorites but they couldn't break up Trinity or Lycoming's possession so how in your right(or wrong) mind would you expect them to break up Oneonta's possession in the offensive third?? I am really starting to believe that you don't watch much soccer and if you do it's not helping. Also, I never said Amherst didn't have pace going forward...they don't have pace in the back. Martin and NPL fly up top for Amherst. That's obvious. But defensively they are slower than most teams but their size and athleticism is what makes them solid. NOT speed!!!!! Next is saying that Trinity or Lycoming didn't sniff the goal...Trinity hit the bar and had chances that Bull came up big on. IF he doesn't get some of the low whipped in crosses its goal time for Trinity. He came up big as always for Amherst. As for Lycoming, they weren't as dangerous as we are use to seeing(credit to how good Amherst is), but they also had 4 or 5 quality chances that could/should have resulted in a goal. Shots were 17-13 in favor of Amherst, but 6-4 SOG in favor of Lycoming. So my main point being is that if Lycoming and Trinity can have success and good opportunities imagine what Oneonta St will do against them.
And if you look at the left side of the bracket compared to the right I would hope you could see the MAJOR difference in quality of teams in favor of the left. Are both sides strong? Yes. It's the NCAA tournament so I would hope so, but the left is much, much stronger.
Amherst has PLENTY of speed at wingback with Aoyama and Rohan Sood. Their CB's are not the fastest but they do not need to be. Lycoming Ceated NOTHING and frankly Trinity was allowed to possess until the ygot into Amherst defensive 3rd and they also created NOTHING. They hit the cross bar from 25ft out and maybe had one decent chance other than that. Lycoming shot totals were an absolute GIFT from the scorekeeper as they had NOTHING not even a sniff at a possible goal. You question my soccer brain? I do not think so. You contradict your own points in your own comments. Questioning my intelligence is petty but I would expect nothing less from a total fool
I will agree with Mr. Right on his assessment of Trinity in the Amherst match. This Trinity team is about 60% of what they were the past 3 seasons. The Trinity I saw on the field lacked the speed and midfield that I have become accustomed to watching. The 2013 Trinity team that Loras beat in the Elite 8 had one of the best all around midfielders #11 Victor Araujo ( change to #10 last year) I have ever seen, that guy could hold, distribute,and possess with style I haven't seen since.
Congrats to the teams that have advanced to the Final 4. Can't resist commenting on the match I was at, Haverford vs. SLU. A few ugly mistakes in the back cost SLU 2 early goals, though I'd say the run of play was even in the first half. The second half saw the game spiral out of control, with reckless tackles and some extracurriculars going on after plays.
The referee really blew it. I'm still blown away how Copeland gets thrown out of this game, as it's not his fault that a 5'5 guy tried to get up in his face and bounced off of his 6'5 frame. A red card to him after so many red card offenses were ignored the other way really painted a picture of some bias for me. Virtually the same play happened at the other end of the pitch, and the referee mistakenly issued a red card to the Fords, and then changed his mind and only went with a yellow. Mind boggling mistake. The Haverford left back tried to break the SLU RB's leg with a late studs up tackle halfway up his shin, and somehow got away with a yellow. An elbow to the face of a SLU midfielder soon followed, then a Haverford defender sprinting 10 yards to push another SLU player to the ground, and no action taken by the ref. I want to say that was the most astonishing part of the afternoon, but that away goes to the Haverford Head Coach.
I wasn't the least bit surprised to find out that this guy comes from the Serpone school of coaching "Soccer," as he and his team scream bloody murder after every play, badgering the ref into making calls their way. I witnessed the coach berating his own captain, and the captain responding by cursing him out from the field. How is that not only acceptable, but encouraged behavior? I still can't belive that these top-class institutions allow their coaches to represent their schools in this manner.
At the end of the day, SLU did not do enough to advance. Haverford took their chances and defended very well, and were deserving to advance. Huge kudos to their GK, who looked very shaky but came up with an absolutely ridiculous save on a point blank volley late on to keep his shoutout intact. I walked out of there disappointed, but 100% confident that Haverford would be finished the following day. I was correct. There's something that just doesn't sit well with the soccer purist inside of me about a team who behaves like that.
Best of luck to Oneonta down in KC! Represent the East region well.
Intangibles to consider: Calvin won all four games in the road, beating OWU and Kenyon on their home fields, on grass (they are a turf team). If I were Sheldon Cooper I'd calculate the odds of that happening, but I'd say the odds are very high.
Amherst and Loras played only at home so far. All three games this weekend were scoreless through 85 minutes, with only Calvin scoring in regulation.
It would be unfair to say that any team that has gotten this far isn't deserving or that any one of the final four teams is that much better than the others. If games were played on paper and outcomes that predictable there wouldn't be so many tall luxurious buildings in Las Vegas (God knows I've contributed).
It might be fun to make audacious claims, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the trend of evenly played, 1-0 games continue in two weeks.
Calvin plays on grass Domino
Easy Boyz.
I think if anyone should be blowing off anger and steam it should be those of us looking forward to next season :)
In all seriousness though I think a few points must be made.
1. Oneonta is extremely dangerous.
2. Anyone still alive right now is very dangerous.
3. Haverford is legit.
Taking the last point first, I recall a great team from PA coming up just short in a quarterfinal game a decade and a half ago, and then moving on from that loss to dominate d3 for the next decade and a half.
Tough comparison for Haverford, but these boyz are for real and have built a solid program, and not just a one hit wonder.
I will be rooting for them from here on out, except when they play the Saints ofcoarse!!!
I think it was just too big of an ask to beat the two best teams in upstate NY in one weekend, but man did they give it a go.
A King will rise from the East.
Might be a bit of a regional bias for me, but I have been saying all year Oneonta has something special.
I think they are the BEST TEAM in D3 soccer still standing.
At this point of the season though being the best is not the main deciding factor, but LADY LUCK and DESTINY must be on your side in order to win it all.
Destiny seems like it is on the side of Calvin.
This team is not flashy, not overly creative or scary, but they have that it quality and that feel as though they want to do something special.
The third longest unbeaten streak in history.
The two teams above them capped off the run with a championship somewhere in there.
These boyz play with belief.
Lady Luck, in my opinion has to be on the side of Wheaton.
I am a big time Wheaton fan.
The boyz have class and play with style and skill.
These two-time champions won titles in 80s and 90s but fell short at the final stage in 99, 06, 2014.
This could be the year.
Wheaton should have lost in the snow, but they did not and it seems as though their time is now.
The only team remaining who has climbed the mountain before.
Could be Amherst's time.
I have been one of those who have questioned Amherst over the years, but if they do win a championship- I will be the first to extend congratulations.
I'm sure it has been a thorn in the side of Amherst boyz, supporters and has beens to hear all the talk "the style is not pretty, ppl don't like attitude, vibe etc...
What you guys will come to see perhaps is that when you win you shut people up!
All must bow to the King, and if Amherst somehow pulls it off it will mean that their style/attitude/tempo is what it takes to be Champions.
At the end of the day that is what the dance is all about, who becomes History and who becomes HISTORIC.
Quote from: Midwest Soccer on November 23, 2015, 12:15:22 PM
Calvin plays on grass Domino
My bad - I asked the parents at the OWU game what type of surface they played on at home - thought I heard turf.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 23, 2015, 11:35:31 AM
Amherst has PLENTY of speed at wingback with Aoyama and Rohan Sood. Their CB's are not the fastest but they do not need to be. Lycoming Ceated NOTHING and frankly Trinity was allowed to possess until the ygot into Amherst defensive 3rd and they also created NOTHING. They hit the cross bar from 25ft out and maybe had one decent chance other than that. Lycoming shot totals were an absolute GIFT from the scorekeeper as they had NOTHING not even a sniff at a possible goal. You question my soccer brain? I do not think so. You contradict your own points in your own comments. Questioning my intelligence is petty but I would expect nothing less from a total fool
It's not petty when you're a legit moron on these boards. I don't know what you consider a good scoring chance but when shots are pinged in and needing diving saves that lead to corner kicks (which are also scoring chances in case you didn't know) I would consider that dangerous...as I think most people would consider that dangerous. So you are trying to tell me that a team that had more SOG than Amherst didn't have a sniff at goal? Really? You're a clown sir. I can think of handfuls of opportunities in both games for Lycoming and Trinity. Maybe you were watching the Haverford game by mistake and didn't realize?
And thanks for mimicking what I just said above..........there CB's are not fast at all but their athleticism and size make up for that...glad you can read and repeat what I said. Thumbs up for you. And the OB's have decent speed. But I am sure you think they are Usain Bolt fast right? Since you know soccer and all. Playing FIFA on your PlayStation doesn't make you an expert Mr. Wrong.
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 23, 2015, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Midwest Soccer on November 23, 2015, 12:15:22 PM
Calvin plays on grass Domino
My bad - I asked the parents at the OWU game what type of surface they played on at home - thought I heard turf.
You would think the parents would know since they know everything right? ;D ;D ;D
I have cleaned out my locker and am heading towards the door (at least near term), but a few closing thoughts mostly in response to some of what I have read above and on maybe other threads.
The idea that Oneonta is going to steamroll Amherst is just ludicrous. I don't believe we'll see a 3-0 game, but if we do it will be Amherst winning it. I believe Oneonta is very, very good and with about as good a chance as anyone, but they are not far and away the best team in the country. By that standard, Oneonta and before them Montclair have been overrated just a bit. Haverford significantly outplayed Oneonta and could have won that game by 2 or 3 goals. And I certainly do not think the Fords were innocent with all the chippiness and their star holding mid seemed to be in the middle of it every game. The Amherst vs Oneonta match-up is intriguing and the game is going to be ultra-physical. I would expect to see some cards flying in that one. Remember, Oneonta already is down a key player, but they will not be bullied by Amherst so will be interesting to see what happens after the first half-dozen really hard tackles.
Still not sure how Calvin is doing it, but they are doing it. I'll never be convinced that Kenyon shouldn't have beaten them, and potentially even comfortably, but even with a weak schedule 80 goals and only 5 against (and that's 5 against with a whopping 25 games) at some point has to tell us something, especially after going through legit teams like OWU, F&M and Kenyon (and the only goal they've given up in the tournament was off a deflected/re-directed free kick). Bottom line is that Calvin is going to be playing at 8:30 pm in a national semifinal and the Knights are 2 wins away from an undefeated season.
The stuff about who is most physical, who deserved red cards and who didn't, who flops and who doesn't flop, etc, etc is probably all just noise related to some of us having trouble (and definitely me included) accepting our team's ultimate fate this season. These games are intense and I'm sure there is enough stuff to complain about for every team.
Bull did have to make a game-saving save late against Trinity. Horvath fired a dangerous shot ticketed for inside the far post moving left to right where Bull's vision was blocked by a good deal of traffic. That was a clutch save. I was more impressed by Trinity than others. They kept the game 0-0 on a powerhouse's pitch and very easily could have stolen that game. I mean, the game was 4 minutes from PKs.
All of the Elite 8 games so far have lived up to expectations. You could take the 4 losers and have a great tournament, and you could argue about the overall quality of those 4 vs the 4 that survived/will survive.
Losing really sucks....no matter how many times you think you've learned how to handle it better.
I cannot entice this Shooter fool anymore. If I were to picture him I would guess a complete spaz that spits when he talks especially when he thinks he is right. Arms flailing and the jimmy legs all to boot.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 23, 2015, 01:40:52 PM
I cannot entice this Shooter fool anymore. If I were to picture him I would guess a complete spaz that spits when he talks especially when he thinks he is right. Arms flailing and the jimmy legs all to boot.
Mr. Right we got off on the wrong foot in the beginning and proceeded to take each other seriously after that with some fun banana bets and so on and so forth and some good debate. But when you are being an idiot about something I have no problem telling you because that's what internet chat room buddies are for. If you think that Amherst didn't give up chances in either game then you are a fool and no one on this board will disagree with that. NCAC NE already provided one key save Bull made which wasn't the only one he had in 2 games I can assure you of that. You're picture is all wrong my friend as I think you are seeing your reflection in the glare from on your computer screen.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 23, 2015, 01:32:37 PM
I have cleaned out my locker and am heading towards the door (at least near term), but a few closing thoughts mostly in response to some of what I have read above and on maybe other threads.
The idea that Oneonta is going to steamroll Amherst is just ludicrous. I don't believe we'll see a 3-0 game, but if we do it will be Amherst winning it. I believe Oneonta is very, very good and with about as good a chance as anyone, but they are not far and away the best team in the country. By that standard, Oneonta and before them Montclair have been overrated just a bit. Haverford significantly outplayed Oneonta and could have won that game by 2 or 3 goals. And I certainly do not think the Fords were innocent with all the chippiness and their star holding mid seemed to be in the middle of it every game. The Amherst vs Oneonta match-up is intriguing and the game is going to be ultra-physical. I would expect to see some cards flying in that one. Remember, Oneonta already is down a key player, but they will not be bullied by Amherst so will be interesting to see what happens after the first half-dozen really hard tackles.
Still not sure how Calvin is doing it, but they are doing it. I'll never be convinced that Kenyon shouldn't have beaten them, and potentially even comfortably, but even with a weak schedule 80 goals and only 5 against (and that's 5 against with a whopping 25 games) at some point has to tell us something, especially after going through legit teams like OWU, F&M and Kenyon (and the only goal they've given up in the tournament was off a deflected/re-directed free kick). Bottom line is that Calvin is going to be playing at 8:30 pm in a national semifinal and the Knights are 2 wins away from an undefeated season.
The stuff about who is most physical, who deserved red cards and who didn't, who flops and who doesn't flop, etc, etc is probably all just noise related to some of us having trouble (and definitely me included) accepting our team's ultimate fate this season. These games are intense and I'm sure there is enough stuff to complain about for every team.
Bull did have to make a game-saving save late against Trinity. Horvath fired a dangerous shot ticketed for inside the far post moving left to right where Bull's vision was blocked by a good deal of traffic. That was a clutch save. I was more impressed by Trinity than others. They kept the game 0-0 on a powerhouse's pitch and very easily could have stolen that game. I mean, the game was 4 minutes from PKs.
All of the Elite 8 games so far have lived up to expectations. You could take the 4 losers and have a great tournament, and you could argue about the overall quality of those 4 vs the 4 that survived/will survive.
Losing really sucks....no matter how many times you think you've learned how to handle it better.
Well said and I also was impressed with Trinity. I had not watched them previously and was surprised that they were able to stay with Amherst especially in the cold NE region of the country. I think Trinity is a bit unappreciated this year and that might be because of coming from the west region...but that team was legit this year.
As for Oneonta blowing out Amherst...I didn't read any of that but that is ludicrous. A 3-0 win would be astonishing to see. I think Oneonta has the best chance out of the remaining 3/4 to beat Amherst and I think they will win but not 3-0. I said earlier 2-1 gut feeling to Oneonta. But the winner of that game will most likely be your champ. NCAC NE thanks for all your conversations this year as they have been thoughtful, insightful, and fun to take part in. Febreeze that locker before you leave ;)
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 23, 2015, 01:52:14 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 23, 2015, 01:40:52 PM
I cannot entice this Shooter fool anymore. If I were to picture him I would guess a complete spaz that spits when he talks especially when he thinks he is right. Arms flailing and the jimmy legs all to boot.
Mr. Right we got off on the wrong foot in the beginning and proceeded to take each other seriously after that with some fun banana bets and so on and so forth and some good debate. But when you are being an idiot about something I have no problem telling you because that's what internet chat room buddies are for. If you think that Amherst didn't give up chances in either game then you are a fool and no one on this board will disagree with that. NCAC NE already provided one key save Bull made which wasn't the only one he had in 2 games I can assure you of that. You're picture is all wrong my friend as I think you are seeing your reflection in the glare from on your computer screen.
Shooter, you conveniently ignored all of the other ways I disagreed with you. On balance, I am far more in agreement with Mr.Right. I don't know how you can confidently pronounce Oneonta the best team in the country when they just got outplayed by Haverford. If you read between the lines the Oneonta coach in his comments (on their website) seemed almost embarrassed that they prevailed. And just because Amherst had a absorb a few shots doesn't mean that they weren't the dominant team against both Lycoming and Trinity (I would say mildly dominant in the Trinity game but with a more than mild physicality advantage).
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 23, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 23, 2015, 01:52:14 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 23, 2015, 01:40:52 PM
I cannot entice this Shooter fool anymore. If I were to picture him I would guess a complete spaz that spits when he talks especially when he thinks he is right. Arms flailing and the jimmy legs all to boot.
Mr. Right we got off on the wrong foot in the beginning and proceeded to take each other seriously after that with some fun banana bets and so on and so forth and some good debate. But when you are being an idiot about something I have no problem telling you because that's what internet chat room buddies are for. If you think that Amherst didn't give up chances in either game then you are a fool and no one on this board will disagree with that. NCAC NE already provided one key save Bull made which wasn't the only one he had in 2 games I can assure you of that. You're picture is all wrong my friend as I think you are seeing your reflection in the glare from on your computer screen.
Shooter, you conveniently ignored all of the other ways I disagreed with you. On balance, I am far more in agreement with Mr.Right. I don't know how you can confidently pronounce Oneonta the best team in the country when they just got outplayed by Haverford. If you read between the lines the Oneonta coach in his comments (on their website) seemed almost embarrassed that they prevailed. And just because Amherst had a absorb a few shots doesn't mean that they weren't the dominant team against both Lycoming and Trinity (I would say mildly dominant in the Trinity game but with a more than mild physicality advantage).
And I don't disagree with either of your statements NCAC. I have said from day 1 Oneonta St. was my pick to win it all so I am not going to change that now because they got outplayed in a game. This tournament is all about surviving and that's what they have done which is a credit to them. I also never said Amherst wasn't dominant in either of the games this weekend because they most certainly were. But it's ridiculous to say that they did not give up a SNIFF on goal in both games combined. That's 100% false.
I am fine with disagreements as that happens on here all the time and we have disagreed earlier this year NCAC but in an adult and mature way. But when Mr. Right posts garbage like there was not a sniff on their goal this weekend....I am going to call him or whoever out for an absurd and idiotic statement like that. I would hope you would be smart enough to understand that logic.
Game time is upon us lads....
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Shooter and Mr. Right you both need to simmer down. It's a joyous time of year as holidays and the final 4 are almost upon us. Enjoy the good soccer while it lasts. Amherst was the preseason favorite for most. Oneonta is a final 4 team for the 2nd straight year. It's hard to argue against either team at this point. Both are very good. I am interested to see how this lay off has affected(if at all) Wheaton and Loras. Should be a great match up. And NCAC it's been a pleasure this year. Look forward to hearing from you next season.
0-0 at the half. Lords with 2 great chances, 1 in early on and 1 in the last minute. Wheaton has had 1 good chance as well. Game pretty much going as expected, Wheaton playing possession and Loras playing counter ball.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 03:53:40 PM
0-0 at the half. Lords with 2 great chances, 1 in early on and 1 in the last minute. Wheaton has had 1 good chance as well. Game pretty much going as expected, Wheaton playing possession and Loras playing counter ball.
Good explanation. Would love to see Wheaton's coach have their forward just sit on Loras' sweeper as he is so deep(about 10 yds back and assuming the stopper goes with him which is usually the case) this might open up Wheaton's midfield to not only have one on one match ups(which they have been winning the majority of) but also create space for them to knock it around. Based on how Loras has played so far they seem content in kicking the ball forward and playing for either a miscue on a bounce or being dangerous on their long throw ins. So far Wheaton has defended the throw ins well but Loras' last chance at the end of half came from a miscue in the midfield/defense by Wheaton.
Loras goes up 1-0 with a fabulous header by Rummelhart
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
Loras goes up 1-0 with a fabulous header by Rummelhart
JOHNNNN BOY!!
Quote from: Medicated Pete on November 23, 2015, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
Loras goes up 1-0 with a fabulous header by Rummelhart
JOHNNNN BOY!!
Beautiful goal. This sets up for a nice/crazy finish!
Wheaton ties it up. What a great sequence and strike. Great soccer right there. 1-1 14 min to go
Wow . . . was that a nice one Thunder! Stay patient guys!
Loras was having the better of play and looked as if they would run the clock down with little problem but Wheaton strikes out of no where and the momentum seems to have shifted. I can see PK's brewing in the near future for this one!
Headed to overtime!
OT, man that 2nd half was a flurry. 35 minutes of Loras domination and it just took 1 lapse to Wheaton to capitalize.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 05:00:32 PM
OT, man that 2nd half was a flurry. 35 minutes of Loras domination and it just took 1 lapse to Wheaton to capitalize.
Yes. Both teams are very good. Fun to watch when it gets to this level. Sweet 16 and beyond has been great this year.
Wheaton very lucky on Loras' corners...great service from Loras and unlucky no one got a head on that last one as the keeper completely misjudged the ball.
DUUUUUUHAAAAAAWKS!!!!!!
Speaking of corner kicks the goalie misjudges another and misses the punch and Loras buries the rebound home and Loras has danced there way to the final 4 with a 2-1 OT win.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 05:13:11 PM
DUUUUUUHAAAAAAWKS!!!!!!
gooooooooooooooooooooooooooaallllllll
announcers crackin me up..homers :)
2nd dangerous corner of overtime for Loras and they convert. Loras to the Final Four.
Announcers are a tad excited ;D
Hysterical announcer, calling for craziness. Entertaining.
What a great game, both teams playing hard and leaving it all out there. Congratulations to the DuHawks for advancing to KC- well deserved.
Gut-wrenching loss for the Thunder after coming back to tie. Thanks for a great season Thunder Soccer. Hold your heads high- we're proud of you!
And nice job by the announcers- homers of course which is to be expected - but not overly so.
GOIN' TO KANSAS CITY , KANSAS CITY HERE WE COME!
Great day to be a duhawk...can't wait for the duhawk faithful to take over KC in a couple weeks.
So Division 3 soccer will have a 1st time Champion?
Who wants it more boyz.....
Congrats to the participants.
This is what college soccer is all about!
Loras vs Calvin is going to be a solid game. Calvin is 0-2 in title games, with Loras 0-4 in semi final games. Both will be pressing hard to change that...
There have been comments in reference to the winner of the Amherst/Oneonta St game as the eventual Champion. Last year the same was said about Wheaton/Oneonta St; Calvin and Loras are no pushovers. The Knights are organized defensively, have pace up top, and find ways to keep winning. The Duhawks still have several players that were at the Final Four in 2013.
As far as match-ups go, I think the more exciting game will be between Loras/Calvin...
I'll say at this moment Oneonta St beats Calvin (rematch from 2011 Final Four).
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 23, 2015, 04:01:10 PM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 03:53:40 PM
0-0 at the half. Lords with 2 great chances, 1 in early on and 1 in the last minute. Wheaton has had 1 good chance as well. Game pretty much going as expected, Wheaton playing possession and Loras playing counter ball.
Good explanation. Would love to see Wheaton's coach have their forward just sit on Loras' sweeper as he is so deep(about 10 yds back and assuming the stopper goes with him which is usually the case) this might open up Wheaton's midfield to not only have one on one match ups(which they have been winning the majority of) but also create space for them to knock it around. Based on how Loras has played so far they seem content in kicking the ball forward and playing for either a miscue on a bounce or being dangerous on their long throw ins. So far Wheaton has defended the throw ins well but Loras' last chance at the end of half came from a miscue in the midfield/defense by Wheaton.
Actually, the best way to beat a team that plays with a deep sweeper is to have your wingbacks overlap your wingers. This creates 2 v 1 all day and forces the sweeper to move over to the flank which opens up a huge hole in the middle. The deeper the sweeper the better for the other team as you will also be onsides all day. This is the reason the sweeper went to the grave 20 years ago but Loras seems to have success with it. I remember seeing them for the first time in 2007 and literally could not believe a team still used the sweeper.
Just some really impressive numbers here
Last two seasons:
Calvin: 42-2-4
Oneonta St: 40-4-3
Amherst: 31-2-7
Loras: 34-7-3
Last three seasons:
Amherst: 49-3-9
Calvin: 56-7-5
Loras: 53-9-6
Oneonta St: 51-9-7
Last four seasons:
Amherst: 66-3-12
Loras: 76-11-7
Calvin: 72-11-6
Oneonta St: 65-14-9
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 23, 2015, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 23, 2015, 04:01:10 PM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 03:53:40 PM
0-0 at the half. Lords with 2 great chances, 1 in early on and 1 in the last minute. Wheaton has had 1 good chance as well. Game pretty much going as expected, Wheaton playing possession and Loras playing counter ball.
Good explanation. Would love to see Wheaton's coach have their forward just sit on Loras' sweeper as he is so deep(about 10 yds back and assuming the stopper goes with him which is usually the case) this might open up Wheaton's midfield to not only have one on one match ups(which they have been winning the majority of) but also create space for them to knock it around. Based on how Loras has played so far they seem content in kicking the ball forward and playing for either a miscue on a bounce or being dangerous on their long throw ins. So far Wheaton has defended the throw ins well but Loras' last chance at the end of half came from a miscue in the midfield/defense by Wheaton.
Actually, the best way to beat a team that plays with a deep sweeper is to have your wingbacks overlap your wingers. This creates 2 v 1 all day and forces the sweeper to move over to the flank which opens up a huge hole in the middle. The deeper the sweeper the better for the other team as you will also be onsides all day. This is the reason the sweeper went to the grave 20 years ago but Loras seems to have success with it. I remember seeing them for the first time in 2007 and literally could not believe a team still used the sweeper.
I would say, putting the target on Sweeper is the best way to go about this... you don't need the wingbacks overlapping wingers here. Just 1v1 situations work... Depends how deep your bench is I guess. With Loras depth, it's a tall order for your wingbacks.
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0-0 at the half. Lords with 2 great chances, 1 in early on and 1 in the last minute. Wheaton has had 1 good chance as well. Game pretty much going as expected, Wheaton playing possession and Loras playing counter ball.
Good explanation. Would love to see Wheaton's coach have their forward just sit on Loras' sweeper as he is so deep(about 10 yds back and assuming the stopper goes with him which is usually the case) this might open up Wheaton's midfield to not only have one on one match ups(which they have been winning the majority of) but also create space for them to knock it around. Based on how Loras has played so far they seem content in kicking the ball forward and playing for either a miscue on a bounce or being dangerous on their long throw ins. So far Wheaton has defended the throw ins well but Loras' last chance at the end of half came from a miscue in the midfield/defense by Wheaton.
Actually, the best way to beat a team that plays with a deep sweeper is to have your wingbacks overlap your wingers. This creates 2 v 1 all day and forces the sweeper to move over to the flank which opens up a huge hole in the middle. The deeper the sweeper the better for the other team as you will also be onsides all day. This is the reason the sweeper went to the grave 20 years ago but Loras seems to have success with it. I remember seeing them for the first time in 2007 and literally could not believe a team still used the sweeper.
I would say, putting the target on Sweeper is the best way to go about this... you don't need the wingbacks overlapping wingers here. Just 1v1 situations work... Depends how deep your bench is I guess. With Loras depth, it's a tall order for your wingbacks.
Just put the striker on the sweeper having him make runs in the channels while an attacking mid comes in to fill that gap or the second striker if playing with two
The sweeper has to commit to be effective. So when you penetrate on the wing, he has to come towards the ball. A cross takes him out of the play along with all the other defenders on the strong side
Calvin vs Loras will be a fascinating match. Almost everyone here will again pick Calvin to lose (and hey, eventually if you keep picking that way you may get one right). One thing to note. Calvin played only 3 subs against OWU and Kenyon and 4 against F&M. Loras will play 10 subs. Will be interesting to see if that is a factor, or if the Calvin coach tries to account for that disparity somehow. If Loras breaks through and gets to the final I think they're going to win it.
Ya'll are way over analyzing this sweeper thing. I would fill you in on why, but it is entertaining to hear people give their individual pearls of soccer wisdom.
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 23, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
The sweeper has to commit to be effective. So when you penetrate on the wing, he has to come towards the ball. A cross takes him out of the play along with all the other defenders on the strong side
You assume the sweeper commits late. A good sweeper commits earlier, and is right there to challenge should his outside back get beaten. Also, you can put your target right up to the sweeper, but a good experienced sweeper will be pulling the offside trap all day long and totally disrupt the target's runs. Once you've got the target looking to stay onside instead of making his runs, you've won much of the battle already. Also there is nothing stopping the sweeper from simply walking the target right back up to the stopper. There are all kinds of tactics that a sweeper can use to control a deep target - no problem.
I don't think we're in Dubuque any more..
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Quote from: Medicated Pete on November 23, 2015, 09:02:39 PM
I don't think we're in Dubuque any more..
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nice photo...... :)
Was at the Loras/Wheaton game in person, here are my thoughts:
First half felt like Wheaton had an extra man on the field and Loras was chasing. Wheaton connected the ball beautiful and danced around the Loras midfield. With that being said, Loras still really had the only two chances in the first half.
Second half, the swarm was in full effect. Loras started to win 50/50's and began flying at Wheaton's back line. Loras scored a well crafted header off a set piece and it felt like the game was about to be wrapped up. Then Hollingsworth decided to take the whole Duhawk's team on by himself and set up Golz for his last name. Wheaton had another chance with the Hollingsworth, Borge, Golz combo but it sailed wide. Loras had a couple good opportunities but came up short.
Overtime went mostly to the Duhawks. Mike Gordon found himself on a break away in the final minutes and was stuffed. But this lead to the eventual goal off the corner.
Overall takeaways, Wheaton was the much more talented possession team. Could connect 8 1-2's in a row, but couldn't get a real good look on goal. Loras played their typical kick-ball game, but it exposed the weary back line of Wheaton. The combination of speed and playing direct was the eventual collapse of Wheaton. I do think that this Wheaton team was not quite the same as last years, but still have some true ballers on their team. I think Hollingsworth is one of the best in D3 soccer. This Loras team doesn't have a Cavers/Figura/Pizzello, but they have a bunch of players that have stepped up collectively. I would wager the bet that either of the 2012/2013 Loras teams would beat this team however.
Sweeper???
What decade is this?
Quote from: Jump4Joy on November 23, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
Sweeper???
What decade is this?
The decade that the Duhawks have been to 10 Sweet 16's, 8 Elite 8's and 5 Final 4's. Drop the Mic....
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on November 23, 2015, 09:20:36 PM
Was at the Loras/Wheaton game in person, here are my thoughts:
First half felt like Wheaton had an extra man on the field and Loras was chasing. Wheaton connected the ball beautiful and danced around the Loras midfield. With that being said, Loras still really had the only two chances in the first half.
Second half, the swarm was in full effect. Loras started to win 50/50's and began flying at Wheaton's back line. Loras scored a well crafted header off a set piece and it felt like the game was about to be wrapped up. Then Hollingsworth decided to take the whole Duhawk's team on by himself and set up Golz for his last name. Wheaton had another chance with the Hollingsworth, Borge, Golz combo but it sailed wide. Loras had a couple good opportunities but came up short.
Overtime went mostly to the Duhawks. Mike Gordon found himself on a break away in the final minutes and was stuffed. But this lead to the eventual goal off the corner.
Overall takeaways, Wheaton was the much more talented possession team. Could connect 8 1-2's in a row, but couldn't get a real good look on goal. Loras played their typical kick-ball game, but it exposed the weary back line of Wheaton. The combination of speed and playing direct was the eventual collapse of Wheaton. I do think that this Wheaton team was not quite the same as last years, but still have some true ballers on their team. I think Hollingsworth is one of the best in D3 soccer. This Loras team doesn't have a Cavers/Figura/Pizzello, but they have a bunch of players that have stepped up collectively. I would wager the bet that either of the 2012/2013 Loras teams would beat this team however.
I'm pretty amazed at what this Loras team has done this year. I thought that after Cavers and Figura graduated they'd have a major dropoff but then Pizzello stepped up huge last year. Then he graduated and nobody has, in my mind, filled that void this season but collectively the team has surprised. They don't have a dominating player but they've got 10+ guys who are capable of individual brilliance at any moment, a solid keeper, and a bench full of players who can come on and put in 10-20 minutes at a time with very minimal drop in quality. And they play hard and with an energy and pace that few teams are used to facing. It ain't pretty, but it is effective. I wonder what this team would be like if they had someone like Cavers who could calm things down and pull strings in the midfield.
And about Hollingsworth... When Loras played the Thunder earlier this season I was underwhelmed by Hollingsworth but today was a different story. He was the dominant figure in the game all over the field and I was very impressed. I could see him getting plenty of post-season accolades again.
Also, with regard to Loras' use of the sweeper. When you've got someone as good as Figura back there a few years ago or someone as smart as Koenig now you can play just about any formation and be successful. Koenig doesn't stand out but he's got close to a 4.0 GPA, plays intelligently and doesn't make (many) mistakes.
A great story that some may not know of about Loras. Justin Giacotto who is part French, only had one goal coming into the tournament. He has scored in three straight games for the Duhawks(had the winner in overtime today) and played lock down defense.
Looking forward to Kansas City in two weeks! GO DUHAWKS!!
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Quote from: Jump4Joy on November 23, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
Sweeper???
What decade is this?
The decade that the Duhawks have been to 10 Sweet 16's, 8 Elite 8's and 5 Final 4's. Drop the Mic....
hopefully they can get that championship game on that list this year. (picks mic back up)...
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 24, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Quote from: Jump4Joy on November 23, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
Sweeper???
What decade is this?
The decade that the Duhawks have been to 10 Sweet 16's, 8 Elite 8's and 5 Final 4's. Drop the Mic....
hopefully they can get that championship game on that list this year. (picks mic back up)...
You read my mind 1stplaceloser!!! *picks mic back up and slowly walks away with tail between legs* HA!
Should be a great final 4 though. All these teams have a real shot at winning it.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 24, 2015, 08:11:29 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 24, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Quote from: Jump4Joy on November 23, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
Sweeper???
What decade is this?
The decade that the Duhawks have been to 10 Sweet 16's, 8 Elite 8's and 5 Final 4's. Drop the Mic....
hopefully they can get that championship game on that list this year. (picks mic back up)...
You read my mind 1stplaceloser!!! *picks mic back up and slowly walks away with tail between legs* HA!
Should be a great final 4 though. All these teams have a real shot at winning it.
So basically without winning a National Championship you have accomplished nothing, is that what it takes now? Being undeniably one of the best teams in DIII for the last 10 years isn't credit worthy?
Tough crowd!
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 24, 2015, 09:52:09 AM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 24, 2015, 08:11:29 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 24, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 23, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Quote from: Jump4Joy on November 23, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
Sweeper???
What decade is this?
The decade that the Duhawks have been to 10 Sweet 16's, 8 Elite 8's and 5 Final 4's. Drop the Mic....
you take things to heart too much Kickin. we don't need history lessons on your duhawks you have done that enough this past season.
hopefully they can get that championship game on that list this year. (picks mic back up)...
You read my mind 1stplaceloser!!! *picks mic back up and slowly walks away with tail between legs* HA!
Should be a great final 4 though. All these teams have a real shot at winning it.
So basically without winning a National Championship you have accomplished nothing, is that what it takes now? Being undeniably one of the best teams in DIII for the last 10 years isn't credit worthy?
Tough crowd!
Nobody doubts Loras' domination in the last 10 years Kickin....sheesh. Just remember, there are still two games left in their season. Making it as far as they do consistently is no doubt impressive, nobody said it wasn't. But until they hoist that trophy in the air and bring it back to Dubuque, getting that far won't mean as much. They're the team that almost made it. The team that was almost good enough, but couldn't get over that hump.
I'm going to take up for my Loras friend here.
Most of us are very aware of how hard it is to make even one Final Four, let alone win one. I'm amazed at how teams can have stellar seasons and yet the focus invariably is on how they failed or didn't "win it all." There's some luck that plays into many of these games where one bounce of the ball or one scrum off a corner in OT or whatever decides an outcome. Did Haverford have a failed season?
Over the last decade, Loras consistently has had stellar seasons year after year. For me, they clearly have been the #2 program in the country over the past decade. You can perhaps make a case for OWU. Perhaps a case for Amherst. But no program outside of Messiah has made more Final Fours in the last 7-8 years.
I find the sentiment of "that's nice but let us know when you when a title" more than a little ridiculous.
Last 10 years
Messiah
OWU
Calvin
Loras
Wheaton
Oneonta St
Williams/Amherst/Middlebury
Trinity
MSU/Rutgers-Camden
SLU/Stevens Tech
no body is taking away from the success loras has had. I just decided to have a little fun and make a joke.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 23, 2015, 07:41:09 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 23, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
The sweeper has to commit to be effective. So when you penetrate on the wing, he has to come towards the ball. A cross takes him out of the play along with all the other defenders on the strong side
You assume the sweeper commits late. A good sweeper commits earlier, and is right there to challenge should his outside back get beaten. Also, you can put your target right up to the sweeper, but a good experienced sweeper will be pulling the offside trap all day long and totally disrupt the target's runs. Once you've got the target looking to stay onside instead of making his runs, you've won much of the battle already. Also there is nothing stopping the sweeper from simply walking the target right back up to the stopper. There are all kinds of tactics that a sweeper can use to control a deep target - no problem.
I think you do what Messiah has done to the Loras sweeper - make him irrelevant. Figura - who I have great respect for - was made irrelevant when they played in 2012. Against teams that play more direct, the deep sweeper is very effective as they can just sit back and clear the ball all day while frustrating the opponent. And I would guess those are the vast majority of teams that Loras plays during the regular season and hence why they play that way - allows them to pile up a bunch of wins. However, a strong possession team like Messiah played in front of him all day. So their strongest defender was pretty much left taking GKs and free kicks from the back. Those long, booming kicks he kept making were easily defended and played right to Messiah's strength. Carter Robbins just kept trapping the ball and re-starting the Messiah attack back up field. Loras seemed to think the long ball was the way to play as the game progressed but all that did was keep the ball away from Cavers. Hey - the deep sweeper will win a lot of games against teams playing direct - and Loras has certainly taken advantage of that over the past 10 years - but against the right team, it can be made ineffective. Now, is Calvin ... or Amherst or Oneonta the type of team to be able to do it? We will see in a couple weeks.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 24, 2015, 10:46:46 AM
I'm going to take up for my Loras friend here.
Most of us are very aware of how hard it is to make even one Final Four, let alone win one. I'm amazed at how teams can have stellar seasons and yet the focus invariably is on how they failed or didn't "win it all." There's some luck that plays into many of these games where one bounce of the ball or one scrum off a corner in OT or whatever decides an outcome. Did Haverford have a failed season?
Over the last decade, Loras consistently has had stellar seasons year after year. For me, they clearly have been the #2 program in the country over the past decade. You can perhaps make a case for OWU. Perhaps a case for Amherst. But no program outside of Messiah has made more Final Fours in the last 7-8 years.
I find the sentiment of "that's nice but let us know when you when a title" more than a little ridiculous.
Agreeing here. We all love to love the winner: very American.
But whomever said that 'second place is the first loser' fails to see the bigger picture. It is true a team's stated goal is about winning it all, but a program's success is about creating the opportunity for each team it fields to win. Every team in the round of 16 comes from an amazing program. Another 30 programs (in and out of the NCAA) can consistently field very strong teams. WOW!
By the round of 16 I ache more for the losers than I cheer for the winners -- their goal is dashed. For the seniors, their career ends in a loss. OUCH! MOST (not all) games hinge on a few minutes of brilliance on the part of one team or player, and a mistake by the other. My favorite remaining team is Oneonta, but if they lose, its still been ANOTHER amazing season by them, and the program will reload and push again.
The FUN part of not playing is to sort though options, match-ups and plans -- and perhaps to rib others for their passions while knowing that the last four standing are all amazing teams. Congrats to the players and their coaches (and the guy who drives their team bus and has to listen to the crap music these kids like now-a-days... :)
Quote from: Part_Bart on November 24, 2015, 11:48:23 AM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 24, 2015, 10:46:46 AM
I'm going to take up for my Loras friend here.
Most of us are very aware of how hard it is to make even one Final Four, let alone win one. I'm amazed at how teams can have stellar seasons and yet the focus invariably is on how they failed or didn't "win it all." There's some luck that plays into many of these games where one bounce of the ball or one scrum off a corner in OT or whatever decides an outcome. Did Haverford have a failed season?
Over the last decade, Loras consistently has had stellar seasons year after year. For me, they clearly have been the #2 program in the country over the past decade. You can perhaps make a case for OWU. Perhaps a case for Amherst. But no program outside of Messiah has made more Final Fours in the last 7-8 years.
I find the sentiment of "that's nice but let us know when you when a title" more than a little ridiculous.
Agreeing here. We all love to love the winner: very American.
But whomever said that 'second place is the first loser' fails to see the bigger picture. It is true a team's stated goal is about winning it all, but a program's success is about creating the opportunity for each team it fields to win. Every team in the round of 16 comes from an amazing program. Another 30 programs (in and out of the NCAA) can consistently field very strong teams. WOW!
By the round of 16 I ache more for the losers than I cheer for the winners -- their goal is dashed. For the seniors, their career ends in a loss. OUCH! MOST (not all) games hinge on a few minutes of brilliance on the part of one team or player, and a mistake by the other. My favorite remaining team is Oneonta, but if they lose, its still been ANOTHER amazing season by them, and the program will reload and push again.
The FUN part of not playing is to sort though options, match-ups and plans -- and perhaps to rib others for their passions while knowing that the last four standing are all amazing teams. Congrats to the players and their coaches (and the guy who drives their team bus and has to listen to the crap music these kids like now-a-days... :)
Way to put it Bart.... That's why Tennessee Jed (is he still alive) provides his homemade moonshine!
Quote from: Cheesehead Henry on November 24, 2015, 10:14:54 AM
Nobody doubts Loras' domination in the last 10 years Kickin....sheesh. Just remember, there are still two games left in their season. Making it as far as they do consistently is no doubt impressive, nobody said it wasn't. But until they hoist that trophy in the air and bring it back to Dubuque, getting that far won't mean as much. They're the team that almost made it. The team that was almost good enough, but couldn't get over that hump.
Only a top D3 team can host a sectional on their home field.
Only a top D3 team can dance ten straight years and consistently be a threat for final 4.
There is a big difference though between a top D3 team and a team that has won a National Championship.
All of the final four teams have been very impressive for a long time, but the one that wins will automatically gain more respect as a program over the next three.
Good luck to all the teams that are left. I am echoing an earlier sentiment, but any one of the four can win this whole thing I think.
How would Loras do if they got shipped out the Mid-West Region? When is the last time they beat a team from the Mid-Atlantic or New England?
I tried looking up their schedules but it stops at 2009:
2014: Loss Trinity Sweet 16
2013: Loss RUC Final 4
2012: Loss Messiah Final 4
2011: Loss Calvin Round of 32
2010: Loss UW Oshkosh Round of 32
2009: Loss Dominican Sweet 16
2008 Final Four run: Greenville W 2-0, Dominican W 1-0, Augsburg W 2-1, Ohio Northern W 4-1, Messiah L 3-0
2007 Final Four run: Wheaton W 1-0, NC Wesleyan W 2-1, Redlands W 3-1, Middlebury T 0-0 lost in pks
Quote from: backyarddawg on November 24, 2015, 03:03:26 PM
How would Loras do if they got shipped out the Mid-West Region? When is the last time they beat a team from the Mid-Atlantic or New England?
I tried looking up their schedules but it stops at 2009:
2014: Loss Trinity Sweet 16
2013: Loss RUC Final 4
2012: Loss Messiah Final 4
2011: Loss Calvin Round of 32
2010: Loss UW Oshkosh Round of 32
2009: Loss Dominican Sweet 16
very interesting
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 24, 2015, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: Cheesehead Henry on November 24, 2015, 10:14:54 AM
Nobody doubts Loras' domination in the last 10 years Kickin....sheesh. Just remember, there are still two games left in their season. Making it as far as they do consistently is no doubt impressive, nobody said it wasn't. But until they hoist that trophy in the air and bring it back to Dubuque, getting that far won't mean as much. They're the team that almost made it. The team that was almost good enough, but couldn't get over that hump.
Only a top D3 team can host a sectional on their home field.
Only a top D3 team can dance ten straight years and consistently be a threat for final 4.
There is a big difference though between a top D3 team and a team that has won a National Championship.
All of the final four teams have been very impressive for a long time, but the one that wins will automatically gain more respect as a program over the next three.
Good luck to all the teams that are left. I am echoing an earlier sentiment, but any one of the four can win this whole thing I think.
I respect your opinion (and those of others) but I just disagree, or maybe we are talking about slightly different things.
I don't see how anyone could even argue with Loras being #2 over the last 8 years since during that span no one else after Messiah comes close to 5 Final Fours. Yes, there are different levels of hurdles, and winning a national title is one of them. But getting to Final Fours is also a huge one. Getting to the Elite 8 is one. Getting to the Sweet 16 is another (DePauw and St. Olaf finally made it in their 7th attempt). Even OWU and Wheaton for all of their decades of being premier programs have only won the title twice. OWU's record of 38 NCAA appearances and the number of times they have been a viable title contender (Sweet 16s and better) for me are far more impressive than the fact that they have won two titles. Would you argue that Tufts should be ranked higher as a program over the last 8 years solely on the basis of winning a national title when the overall resume doesn't even come within shouting distance of Loras? And the suggestion that Loras owes their success to having weaker sectionals every year just reeks of East Coast bias. Was Wheaton an easier Elite 8 opponent than the opponents in the other sectionals? And if there was something to that, you would expect that Loras would get blown out every time they go to the Final Four. Losing in PKs and twice in OT is far from that. I actually thought Trinity's two wins over Brandeis and double OT loss to Amherst on Amherst's home field were strong evidence that Colorado College should have been in the field. And the West got screwed by putting Trinity, Whitworth and Redlands together in the 1st and 2nd round so that only one of them had a chance to progress to the Sweet 16.
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on November 23, 2015, 09:20:36 PM
Was at the Loras/Wheaton game in person, here are my thoughts:
First half felt like Wheaton had an extra man on the field and Loras was chasing. Wheaton connected the ball beautiful and danced around the Loras midfield. With that being said, Loras still really had the only two chances in the first half.
Second half, the swarm was in full effect. Loras started to win 50/50's and began flying at Wheaton's back line. Loras scored a well crafted header off a set piece and it felt like the game was about to be wrapped up. Then Hollingsworth decided to take the whole Duhawk's team on by himself and set up Golz for his last name. Wheaton had another chance with the Hollingsworth, Borge, Golz combo but it sailed wide. Loras had a couple good opportunities but came up short.
Overtime went mostly to the Duhawks. Mike Gordon found himself on a break away in the final minutes and was stuffed. But this lead to the eventual goal off the corner.
Overall takeaways, Wheaton was the much more talented possession team. Could connect 8 1-2's in a row, but couldn't get a real good look on goal. Loras played their typical kick-ball game, but it exposed the weary back line of Wheaton. The combination of speed and playing direct was the eventual collapse of Wheaton. I do think that this Wheaton team was not quite the same as last years, but still have some true ballers on their team. I think Hollingsworth is one of the best in D3 soccer. This Loras team doesn't have a Cavers/Figura/Pizzello, but they have a bunch of players that have stepped up collectively. I would wager the bet that either of the 2012/2013 Loras teams would beat this team however.
I would take that bet, there is one X factor on 2012/2013 and 2015 Loras teams. #3 this cat is the one that creates opportunities with his constant pressure on the back lines. He was on all three of these teams and all tournament 2013 with Cavers. Without #3 like last year opportunities were hard to come by for the Loras attack.
Congrats to loras as you are Arsenal of division 3 soccer.
The number of championship stars on your crest matters...a lot! Precisely because it is so very hard to do. I contend that there isn't one player on any of these final 4 teams that agrees that it's great to just make a deep run. They all want to win the championship...period.
Loras might look at their season if they don't win it all or even if they make it to their first ever championship final and say "Wow! We had a successful season!" But if they do say that, that's why they probably won't win it the next time around. A true champion program just wouldn't say that. If they don't win it all, it's not success. Just ask the players and alumni from the greatest program(s)...they will tell you.
Also kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around the notion that Loras is the absolute definitive #2 program in the past decade. Yes they made five Final 4's and lost every one of those games...never making it to the top 2 (Championship Final) in the 40 year history of the NCAA D3 national tournament. If winning a Final 4 game were as "random" as some have suggested...the odds of losing five Final 4 games in a row is 3.1%. And statisticians understand that at odds that low it likely isn't random anymore (at p=.05), and its possible there is something else at play that starts to take the "randomness" out of the equation (maybe easy sectional play, psychological, better competition, system of play that can't win at the higher levels, it could be any number of things). Or maybe it is random chance. But with every Final 4 loss in a row, it is more and more statistically likely that there is something other then "randomness" at play.
If given the choice, I think Loras would trade all of those Final 4's for one Championship...and likely do it unblinkingly.
Maybe this will be the year they finally get to the Final and ultimately hoist the Championship trophy...maybe.
As a point of comparison, there's a D3 Field Hockey program who has been to the NCAA Championship Final 7 times...and lost 7 times. As absolutely brutal as it seems (and it is brutal and unfair), no one really cares.
Championships matter.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 24, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
The number of championship stars on your crest matters...a lot! Precisely because it is so very hard to do. I contend that there isn't one player on any of these final 4 teams that agrees that it's great to just make a deep run. They all want to win the championship...period.
Loras might look at their season if they don't win it all or even if they make it to their first ever championship final and say "Wow! We had a successful season!" But if they do say that, that's why they probably won't win it the next time around. A true champion program just wouldn't say that. If they don't win it all, it's not success. Just ask the players and alumni from the greatest program(s)...they will tell you.
Also kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around the notion that Loras is the absolute definitive #2 program in the past decade. Yes they made five Final 4's and lost every one of those games...never making it to the top 2 (Championship Final) in the 40 year history of the NCAA D3 national tournament. If winning a Final 4 game were as "random" as some have suggested...the odds of losing five Final 4 games in a row is 3.1%. And statisticians understand that at odds that low it likely isn't random anymore (at p=.05), and its possible there is something else at play that starts to take the "randomness" out of the equation (maybe easy sectional play, psychological, better competition, system of play that can't win at the higher levels, it could be any number of things). Or maybe it is random chance. But with every Final 4 loss in a row, it is more and more statistically likely that there is something other then "randomness" at play.
If given the choice, I think Loras would trade all of those Final 4's for one Championship...and likely do it unblinkingly.
Maybe this will be the year they finally get to the Final and ultimately hoist the Championship trophy...maybe.
As a point of comparison, there's a D3 Field Hockey program who has been to the NCAA Championship Final 7 times...and lost 7 times. As absolutely brutal as it seems (and it is brutal and unfair), no one really cares.
Championships matter.
it's about time someone makes some sense on this matter. I tip my hat to you sir
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 24, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
The number of championship stars on your crest matters...a lot! Precisely because it is so very hard to do. I contend that there isn't one player on any of these final 4 teams that agrees that it's great to just make a deep run. They all want to win the championship...period.
Loras might look at their season if they don't win it all or even if they make it to their first ever championship final and say "Wow! We had a successful season!" But if they do say that, that's why they probably won't win it the next time around. A true champion program just wouldn't say that. If they don't win it all, it's not success. Just ask the players and alumni from the greatest program(s)...they will tell you.
Also kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around the notion that Loras is the absolute definitive #2 program in the past decade. Yes they made five Final 4's and lost every one of those games...never making it to the top 2 (Championship Final) in the 40 year history of the NCAA D3 national tournament. If winning a Final 4 game were as "random" as some have suggested...the odds of losing five Final 4 games in a row is 3.1%. And statisticians understand that at odds that low it likely isn't random anymore (at p=.05), and its possible there is something else at play that starts to take the "randomness" out of the equation (maybe easy sectional play, psychological, better competition, system of play that can't win at the higher levels, it could be any number of things). Or maybe it is random chance. But with every Final 4 loss in a row, it is more and more statistically likely that there is something other then "randomness" at play.
If given the choice, I think Loras would trade all of those Final 4's for one Championship...and likely do it unblinkingly.
Maybe this will be the year they finally get to the Final and ultimately hoist the Championship trophy...maybe.
As a point of comparison, there's a D3 Field Hockey program who has been to the NCAA Championship Final 7 times...and lost 7 times. As absolutely brutal as it seems (and it is brutal and unfair), no one really cares.
Championships matter.
I agree with most of what you are saying here but to say not winning a championship means it was a failure is a stretch. If Messiah would have made the tournament this season and say lost in the Sweet 16 I don't think that would have been regarded as a "failure." Even last year's loss to Tufts wasn't a"failure." It sucks and they might have felt that way at first, but looking back they will see how much they accomplished for the program. I think winning a championship does matter big time which Loras has not been able to achieve yet, but it doesn't make them a bad team or not worthy of recognition.
Look at college basketball for example:
Coach K has been at Duke since 1980(I think) and has 5 NCAA championships in 35 years. That means he wins 1 championship every 7 years. He has been to 12 Final 4's which means he lost more in the Final 4 than he won...does that make him a failure? Does it make him a failure for not winning a championship in his first 10 years at Duke? Or for the drought they had after the 1992 team until 2001? Of course not. Winning is HARD. Messiah is a special breed that we most likely won't see again. I don't think Coach K would consider their teams that lost in the Final 4 as failures. And we shouldn't do the same to Loras either...but they need to get over the hump to be taken seriously in the long run.
Another good example is Tom Izzo. He has been at MSU for 20 years and has 1 championship and 7 Final 4's. No one would consider Tom Izzo a bad coach or his teams failures despite only being 1/20 or 1/7 depending on how you look at it. But the 9 Elite 8's and 13 Sweet 16's and making the tournament 18/20 years is why he and his program is so respected and recognized. So what Loras has accomplished in the last 10 years is wonderful but as I said above they need a championship to be recognized as a "top, top dog" in college soccer.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 24, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
The number of championship stars on your crest matters...a lot! Precisely because it is so very hard to do. I contend that there isn't one player on any of these final 4 teams that agrees that it's great to just make a deep run. They all want to win the championship...period.
Loras might look at their season if they don't win it all or even if they make it to their first ever championship final and say "Wow! We had a successful season!" But if they do say that, that's why they probably won't win it the next time around. A true champion program just wouldn't say that. If they don't win it all, it's not success. Just ask the players and alumni from the greatest program(s)...they will tell you.
Also kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around the notion that Loras is the absolute definitive #2 program in the past decade. Yes they made five Final 4's and lost every one of those games...never making it to the top 2 (Championship Final) in the 40 year history of the NCAA D3 national tournament. If winning a Final 4 game were as "random" as some have suggested...the odds of losing five Final 4 games in a row is 3.1%. And statisticians understand that at odds that low it likely isn't random anymore (at p=.05), and its possible there is something else at play that starts to take the "randomness" out of the equation (maybe easy sectional play, psychological, better competition, system of play that can't win at the higher levels, it could be any number of things). Or maybe it is random chance. But with every Final 4 loss in a row, it is more and more statistically likely that there is something other then "randomness" at play.
If given the choice, I think Loras would trade all of those Final 4's for one Championship...and likely do it unblinkingly.
Maybe this will be the year they finally get to the Final and ultimately hoist the Championship trophy...maybe.
As a point of comparison, there's a D3 Field Hockey program who has been to the NCAA Championship Final 7 times...and lost 7 times. As absolutely brutal as it seems (and it is brutal and unfair), no one really cares.
Championships matter.
I'm curious about the negative karma and the who and why, or maybe that's obvious at this point.
I should not fall for getting engaged in these instances of flawed logic, statistical or otherwise, and other cases of blatant and unapologetic bias.
I never said championships don't matter or that players/coaches aren't devastated when they don't win one or that they wouldn't give up a couple of Final Four appearances for a title. Those weren't the issues I was addressing. The issue was about overall program performance over a stretch of time.
Again, if they got to the Final Four and got blown out every time then maybe you could attribute outcomes to one of those other reasons you suggested. As for statistics, what are the odds of ANY team getting to a Final Four? Of winning a title? What are the statistical odds of a team getting to the Final Four 5 times in 8 years? See how frame of reference impacts the deductions made from "statistics"? In my personal poll I vote Loras #2. You can put them and anyone else wherever you like. Maybe this construction will be more acceptable -- No program other than Messiah has gone to FIVE Final Fours in the last 8-10 years. Oneonta with 3 in 5 years is knocking on the door. That's impressive as well, and geez, they even have to go through the East Coast to get there.
Let's not forget Williams....3 Final 4's in 5 years..2009, 2012 and 2013. They also won a NCAA Championship in 1995 and went to the Final in 1993. Another Final 4 in 1998. Someone mentioned Amherst above and that is plain ridiculous. They have 3 Final 4's in their HISTORY. 1997, 2008 and 2015. In 1997 and 2008 they got waxed. Amazingly, I have to agree with D3Soccerwatcher on this one as the point being about Loras or Amherst or Oneonta is they have NOT WON ONE. His point is valid which is as amazing as the Field Hockey team that has been to 7 Finals and lost all of them.
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 25, 2015, 08:10:26 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 24, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
The number of championship stars on your crest matters...a lot! Precisely because it is so very hard to do. I contend that there isn't one player on any of these final 4 teams that agrees that it's great to just make a deep run. They all want to win the championship...period.
Loras might look at their season if they don't win it all or even if they make it to their first ever championship final and say "Wow! We had a successful season!" But if they do say that, that's why they probably won't win it the next time around. A true champion program just wouldn't say that. If they don't win it all, it's not success. Just ask the players and alumni from the greatest program(s)...they will tell you.
Also kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around the notion that Loras is the absolute definitive #2 program in the past decade. Yes they made five Final 4's and lost every one of those games...never making it to the top 2 (Championship Final) in the 40 year history of the NCAA D3 national tournament. If winning a Final 4 game were as "random" as some have suggested...the odds of losing five Final 4 games in a row is 3.1%. And statisticians understand that at odds that low it likely isn't random anymore (at p=.05), and its possible there is something else at play that starts to take the "randomness" out of the equation (maybe easy sectional play, psychological, better competition, system of play that can't win at the higher levels, it could be any number of things). Or maybe it is random chance. But with every Final 4 loss in a row, it is more and more statistically likely that there is something other then "randomness" at play.
If given the choice, I think Loras would trade all of those Final 4's for one Championship...and likely do it unblinkingly.
Maybe this will be the year they finally get to the Final and ultimately hoist the Championship trophy...maybe.
As a point of comparison, there's a D3 Field Hockey program who has been to the NCAA Championship Final 7 times...and lost 7 times. As absolutely brutal as it seems (and it is brutal and unfair), no one really cares.
Championships matter.
I'm curious about the negative karma and the who and why, or maybe that's obvious at this point.
I should not fall for getting engaged in these instances of flawed logic, statistical or otherwise, and other cases of blatant and unapologetic bias.
I never said championships don't matter or that players/coaches aren't devastated when they don't win one or that they wouldn't give up a couple of Final Four appearances for a title. Those weren't the issues I was addressing. The issue was about overall program performance over a stretch of time.
Again, if they got to the Final Four and got blown out every time then maybe you could attribute outcomes to one of those other reasons you suggested. As for statistics, what are the odds of ANY team getting to a Final Four? Of winning a title? What are the statistical odds of a team getting to the Final Four 5 times in 8 years? See how frame of reference impacts the deductions made from "statistics"? In my personal poll I vote Loras #2. You can put them and anyone else wherever you like. Maybe this construction will be more acceptable -- No program other than Messiah has gone to FIVE Final Fours in the last 8-10 years. Oneonta with 3 in 5 years is knocking on the door. That's impressive as well, and geez, they even have to go through the East Coast to get there.
Although I hate to admit it, I agreed with your initial post...... ::)
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 25, 2015, 08:19:34 AM
Let's not forget Williams....3 Final 4's in 5 years..2009, 2012 and 2013. They also won a NCAA Championship in 1995 and went to the Final in 1993. Another Final 4 in 1998. Someone mentioned Amherst above and that is plain ridiculous. They have 3 Final 4's in their HISTORY. 1997, 2008 and 2015. In 1997 and 2008 they got waxed. Amazingly, I have to agree with D3Soccerwatcher on this one as the point being about Loras or Amherst or Oneonta is they have NOT WON ONE. His point is valid which is as amazing as the Field Hockey team that has been to 7 Finals and lost all of them.
What he said ^^^ +K
Mr.Right, sorry I did forget Williams. Let's simplify this and I'm interested in how Mr.Right and others rank the top programs based on performance from 2007 through 2015 thus far.
We can all agree on Messiah, right? So #2 thru #5......
Candidates....
OWU -- 3 Final Fours (if you count '06) and one title
Wheaton -- 2 Final Fours if you count '06 and Finalist both times
Calvin -- 3 Final Fours, two Finalists?, and 40+ games unbeaten streak
Amherst -- 2 Final Fours and 40+ games unbeaten streak, multiple Elite 8s
Williams -- 3 Final Fours but did not make NCAA tourney last 2 years
Oneonta -- 3 Final Fours
Loras -- 5 Final Fours, NCAAs every year during time span
Apologies if I forgot any other obvious candidates.
If we're talking all-time #1 thru #3 are clear-cut -- Messiah, OWU, Wheaton.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 24, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
The number of championship stars on your crest matters...a lot! Precisely because it is so very hard to do. I contend that there isn't one player on any of these final 4 teams that agrees that it's great to just make a deep run. They all want to win the championship...period.
Loras might look at their season if they don't win it all or even if they make it to their first ever championship final and say "Wow! We had a successful season!" But if they do say that, that's why they probably won't win it the next time around. A true champion program just wouldn't say that. If they don't win it all, it's not success. Just ask the players and alumni from the greatest program(s)...they will tell you.
Also kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around the notion that Loras is the absolute definitive #2 program in the past decade. Yes they made five Final 4's and lost every one of those games...never making it to the top 2 (Championship Final) in the 40 year history of the NCAA D3 national tournament. If winning a Final 4 game were as "random" as some have suggested...the odds of losing five Final 4 games in a row is 3.1%. And statisticians understand that at odds that low it likely isn't random anymore (at p=.05), and its possible there is something else at play that starts to take the "randomness" out of the equation (maybe easy sectional play, psychological, better competition, system of play that can't win at the higher levels, it could be any number of things). Or maybe it is random chance. But with every Final 4 loss in a row, it is more and more statistically likely that there is something other then "randomness" at play.
If given the choice, I think Loras would trade all of those Final 4's for one Championship...and likely do it unblinkingly.
Maybe this will be the year they finally get to the Final and ultimately hoist the Championship trophy...maybe.
As a point of comparison, there's a D3 Field Hockey program who has been to the NCAA Championship Final 7 times...and lost 7 times. As absolutely brutal as it seems (and it is brutal and unfair), no one really cares.
Championships matter.
You gotta be kidding right? You are insinuating now that Loras is happy to make the Final 4 and call it a "successful season" gtfo, that's the dumbest thing I have read on this board for quite some time and that sir is saying something. Statistics are cool and stuff, but there are other factors that come in to play like a fluke kick, or a goal that never really actually crossed the line. Loras has lost in PK's, 2 OT's, and a 3-0 how's your father. 3 of the 4 losses were to the eventual champion, the PK tie was a to a Middlebury side that defended their way to PK's and Dan Brown their keeper carried them to the title, a good team that knew what it was going to take. The OT loss to Messiah in 2012 was an incredible match, Loras actually took it to Messiah and had 2 goals thwarted by the posts. You can ask Brad McCarty about that match and he will tell you that is the toughest match they played that year.
The other OT loss was in 2013 against RUC, Loras went down 0-1 at half and came back and beat them silly the 2nd half to take a 2-1 lead. RUC was awarded a goal late in the 2nd that video confirmed was not actually a goal to tie up the match and send to OT. That kick was a fluke and has nothing to do with "not wanting bad enough" or not being as good as the other team, it's called **** happens.
Loras is without contention the #2 team the last 10 years and if you are so statistically inclined you will have no room for argument.
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you actually knew something about D3 soccer but know I just realize you will say anything to make loras look better.
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
Think him and Mr. Right are related? ;D
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 25, 2015, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
Think him and Mr. Right are related? ;D
$100 says they graduated together and most likely were room mates. they always have to agree with one another
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 25, 2015, 10:27:20 AM
Mr.Right, sorry I did forget Williams. Let's simplify this and I'm interested in how Mr.Right and others rank the top programs based on performance from 2007 through 2015 thus far.
We can all agree on Messiah, right? So #2 thru #5......
Candidates....
OWU -- 3 Final Fours (if you count '06) and one title
Wheaton -- 2 Final Fours if you count '06 and Finalist both times
Calvin -- 3 Final Fours, two Finalists?, and 40+ games unbeaten streak
Amherst -- 2 Final Fours and 40+ games unbeaten streak, multiple Elite 8s
Williams -- 3 Final Fours but did not make NCAA tourney last 2 years
Oneonta -- 3 Final Fours
Loras -- 5 Final Fours, NCAAs every year during time span
Apologies if I forgot any other obvious candidates.
If we're talking all-time #1 thru #3 are clear-cut -- Messiah, OWU, Wheaton.
I answered this previously in the forum, but I made a few changes
Last 10 years
Messiah
OWU
Calvin
Loras
Wheaton
Williams/Amherst/Middlebury
Oneonta St.
Trinity
MSU/Rutgers-Camden
SLU/Stevens Tech
Simply put, these have been the best teams of their respective regions the past 5-10 years...
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 25, 2015, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
Think him and Mr. Right are related? ;D
$100 says they graduated together and most likely were room mates. they always have to agree with one another
They were roomates, but not in college. Father and son. Mr.Right is like 80 years old!
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
LOL, I live for arguments. So, I am not able to defend a comment about Loras being happy with just getting to the Final 4? I didn't degrade everything he said. I think that the comment was so ridiculous and asinine I decided to give a little clarity to the situation. I said they are #2 in the last 10 years not since the inception of the modern tournament, which OWU and Wheaton definitely would be better as well as a host of other teams.
If you notice I haven't degraded other teams abilities as it seems is a popular thing to do on here, instead I am defending my teams ability to make deep runs in the tournament. Just because they haven't won the Championship doesn't mean they aren't a great team.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 25, 2015, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 25, 2015, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
Think him and Mr. Right are related? ;D
$100 says they graduated together and most likely were room mates. they always have to agree with one another
They were roomates, but not in college. Father and son. Mr.Right is like 80 years old!
LOL.
I'm with you Kickin. I don't care how many karma points they give me. Loras is #2 from '07 thru '15. Not really even a close call.
Can't wait until after they win the title this year and folks still rank them #4 or #5 lol. We are wasting our time because no one is going to budge at this point.
Here's a new entry since we can have more than one team together -- Brandeis/Kenyon/F&M/Haverford
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 25, 2015, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
Think him and Mr. Right are related? ;D
$100 says they graduated together and most likely were room mates. they always have to agree with one another
Now that's hitting below the belt!
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
LOL, I live for arguments. So, I am not able to defend a comment about Loras being happy with just getting to the Final 4? I didn't degrade everything he said. I think that the comment was so ridiculous and asinine I decided to give a little clarity to the situation. I said they are #2 in the last 10 years not since the inception of the modern tournament, which OWU and Wheaton definitely would be better as well as a host of other teams.
If you notice I haven't degraded other teams abilities as it seems is a popular thing to do on here, instead I am defending my teams ability to make deep runs in the tournament. Just because they haven't won the Championship doesn't mean they aren't a great team.
he never even said they were happy with a final four... he stated loras MIGHT be happy with getting there. he was making an example not stating a fact or quote. and my comments about you were from what I Have seen from when I joined a week ago until
now. not just this occasion. see here you go AGAIN making stuff up and nitpicking at every single thing someone says. Loras is a great team. always will be. but like I said before they are the Arsenal of D3. finishing 3/4 consistently but always giving a challenging game. and I wonder if you will ever get over the 2013 RUC game. 2 fluke goals my ***. the better team won that night.
Here's how a conversation will go with all Loras alumni.
Loras alumni: Yeah I played on the 2nd greatest d3 soccer team ever.
Other person: oh really? what year did you win a national championship?
Loras alumni: ummmm we never won but hey we always go to the final four.
other person: walks away....
Easy.....NOT 80 yet...These 2 new posters are so combative....But hey I'll throw down..I have know I idea why I am being lumped with the Loras poster, in fact I agreed with D3Soccerwatcher comments about not winning a title. I also mentioned Williams because they have actually WON a title and been in the mixer the past 7 years. Also, Kicken post about PK's and outplaying opponents and bad luck I have no sympathy for because I could post about Williams misfortunes all day but that is the game of futbol.
1998---Dominate OWU at OWU in Final 4 but lose on a GK flub in the 12th minute.
1999--Even game with Rowan but lose in Elite 8 2-1 when Williams GK flubs a CK into his own net.
2000--#1 team in country and should be hosting but get sent down to Jersey for Elite 8 and lose to Stockton on another fluke goal.
2001--Outshoot Worcester St 41-4 but lose in PK's in 1st Round in what could be the upset of all upsets ever.
2002--Dominate and I mean dominate an Arcadia team in Sweet 16 that was happy to sit 10 DEEP and get the game to PK"s which they did and won.
2003- Leading MIT 1-0 in RD32 with 10 minutes to go and MIT ties it up on a backpass to GK that gets picked off, they win in OT
2004-Get outplayed but beat SLU in Sweet 16 1-0 at SLU in just a great WIN then the next day flub a 1-0 game to Geneseo St after a linesman waved off a goal in 1st Half. Dominate Geneseo in Elite 8 but they score on a fluky goal late.
2005--Get outplayed by SLU but manage to beat them 3-0 against the run of play in Sweet 16 then score a goal to lead Plattsburgh St 1-0 at Plattsburgh and again the linesman said the ball was out of bounds. Plattsburgh wins Elite 8 match.
2006-Seeded as the #1 team in country and host but ARE FORCED TO HOST Messiah in Swett 16 on a Friday morning at 11am with no crowd and should have scored 2 goals early but missed 2 sitters. Another great chance to score in 2nd Half but Messiah GK made a WORLD CLASS SAVE..Lost in PK"'s.
ON and On I could go but interestingly Williams luck started to change in 2009 when they did not have as strong teams as they did in the first part of the 2000's..So I have no sympathy with excuses..You take your lumps and move on
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 25, 2015, 11:57:49 AM
Easy.....NOT 80 yet...These 2 new posters are so combative....But hey I'll throw down..I have know I idea why I am being lumped with the Loras poster, in fact I agreed with D3Soccerwatcher comments about not winning a title. I also mentioned Williams because they have actually WON a title and been in the mixer the past 7 years. Also, Kicken post about PK's and outplaying opponents and bad luck I have no sympathy for because I could post about Williams misfortunes all day but that is the game of futbol.
1998---Dominate OWU at OWU in Final 4 but lose on a GK flub in the 12th minute.
1999--Even game with Rowan but lose in Elite 8 2-1 when Williams GK flubs a CK into his own net.
2000--#1 team in country and should be hosting but get sent down to Jersey for Elite 8 and lose to Stockton on another fluke goal.
2001--Outshoot Worcester St 41-4 but lose in PK's in 1st Round in what could be the upset of all upsets ever.
2002--Dominate and I mean dominate an Arcadia team in Sweet 16 that was happy to sit 10 DEEP and get the game to PK"s which they did and won.
2003- Leading MIT 1-0 in RD32 with 10 minutes to go and MIT ties it up on a backpass to GK that gets picked off, they win in OT
2004-Get outplayed but beat SLU in Sweet 16 1-0 at SLU in just a great WIN then the next day flub a 1-0 game to Geneseo St after a linesman waved off a goal in 1st Half. Dominate Geneseo in Elite 8 but they score on a fluky goal late.
2005--Get outplayed by SLU but manage to beat them 3-0 against the run of play in Sweet 16 then score a goal to lead Plattsburgh St 1-0 at Plattsburgh and again the linesman said the ball was out of bounds. Plattsburgh wins Elite 8 match.
2006-Seeded as the #1 team in country and host but ARE FORCED TO HOST Messiah in Swett 16 on a Friday morning at 11am with no crowd and should have scored 2 goals early but missed 2 sitters. Another great chance to score in 2nd Half but Messiah GK made a WORLD CLASS SAVE..Lost in PK"'s.
ON and On I could go but interestingly Williams luck started to change in 2009 when they did not have as strong teams as they did in the first part of the 2000's..So I have no sympathy with excuses..You take your lumps and move on
just to clear things up, My comments were towards Kickin not you. and I never realized how unlucky Williams was in the tournament. I feel for you my friend. but I do not feel for loras as they have accomplished only final four appearances with no championship game or title. so #2 is pushing it. little too far.
As for St. Lawrence
1998 Heartbreaker at home to Williams (Elite 8) in a PK shootout (Though truth be told that was an even game, I am surprised Williams did not win it all that season).
2000- Upset loss to Hamilton (Sweet 16 at home) 1-0 after totally dominating that game and out possessing outshooting opposition by big margins.
2001 Loss 1-0 ( eventual champ Richard Stockton Elite 8) a game that many would say SLU also dominated.
2002 3-0 loss (Final 4 at home to Messiah) after losing top two players (All-American Stopper/Sweeper) to injury and red card the day before the game.
Also due to weather, had to play on TURF... TURF... NO home field advantage for the Final Four hosts.
That is just a 5 year stretch, not including 2012-2014 close OT losses or Penalties to Amherst/Williams (NESCAC Arch Rivals).
Let me mimic Mr. Right in saying, when you lose you lose, no excuses, suck it up the best team won and move on.
Now, let me end with a point to Kickin-
Win this thing and everyone here will have to SHUT-UP and salute the new D3 Kings Loras.
A big and overlooked part of this is DESTINY, I think even more important than "team mental strength".
For Claudius to become Roman Emperor, 1 million things had to go right, Tiberius had to be a bit off his rocker to give the throne to Caligula , and Caligula had to be totally Nuts and tee off everyone in the Empire, but it was his DESTINY to rule and so it had to be.
I look out there and I see teams on track to win a Championship... I see Haverford (If they keep the trajectory)
And yes, I see every single Final 4 team still standing, including Loras, but you have to WIN to get ultimate respect from everyone here.
Also, you do it for every single team in school history Past and Future.
The Old has been alums will know "We were a part of this and making this happen"
The future Red Dragons/Duhawks/Lord Jeffs will know the eternal truth in life, "Whatever man has done, man can do".
And they will add more stars on your team jersey.
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
LOL, I live for arguments. So, I am not able to defend a comment about Loras being happy with just getting to the Final 4? I didn't degrade everything he said. I think that the comment was so ridiculous and asinine I decided to give a little clarity to the situation. I said they are #2 in the last 10 years not since the inception of the modern tournament, which OWU and Wheaton definitely would be better as well as a host of other teams.
If you notice I haven't degraded other teams abilities as it seems is a popular thing to do on here, instead I am defending my teams ability to make deep runs in the tournament. Just because they haven't won the Championship doesn't mean they aren't a great team.
he never even said they were happy with a final four... he stated loras MIGHT be happy with getting there. he was making an example not stating a fact or quote. and my comments about you were from what I Have seen from when I joined a week ago until
now. not just this occasion. see here you go AGAIN making stuff up and nitpicking at every single thing someone says. Loras is a great team. always will be. but like I said before they are the Arsenal of D3. finishing 3/4 consistently but always giving a challenging game. and I wonder if you will ever get over the 2013 RUC game. 2 fluke goals my ***. the better team won that night.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm over the RUC loss, just stating my opinion, which apparently is only allowed by the you.
You're some kind of special, gotta be from Jersey.
We don't need or want your pity FPL.
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 25, 2015, 01:26:46 PM
As for St. Lawrence
1998 Heartbreaker at home to Williams (Elite 8) in a PK shootout (Though truth be told that was an even game, I am surprised Williams did not win it all that season).
2000- Upset loss to Hamilton (Sweet 16 at home) 1-0 after totally dominating that game and out possessing outshooting opposition by big margins.
2001 Loss 1-0 ( eventual champ Richard Stockton Elite 8) a game that many would say SLU also dominated.
2002 3-0 loss (Final 4 at home to Messiah) after losing top two players (All-American Stopper/Sweeper) to injury and red card the day before the game.
Also due to weather, had to play on TURF... TURF... NO home field advantage for the Final Four hosts.
That is just a 5 year stretch, not including 2012-2014 close OT losses or Penalties to Amherst/Williams (NESCAC Arch Rivals).
Let me mimic Mr. Right in saying, when you lose you lose, no excuses, suck it up the best team won and move on.
Now, let me end with a point to Kickin-
Win this thing and everyone here will have to SHUT-UP and salute the new D3 Kings Loras.
A big and overlooked part of this is DESTINY, I think even more important than "team mental strength".
For Claudius to become Roman Emperor, 1 million things had to go right, Tiberius had to be a bit off his rocker to give the throne to Caligula , and Caligula had to be totally Nuts and tee off everyone in the Empire, but it was his DESTINY to rule and so it had to be.
I look out there and I see teams on track to win a Championship... I see Haverford (If they keep the trajectory)
And yes, I see every single Final 4 team still standing, including Loras, but you have to WIN to get ultimate respect from everyone here.
Also, you do it for every single team in school history Past and Future.
The Old has been alums will know "We were a part of this and making this happen"
The future Red Dragons/Duhawks/Lord Jeffs will know the eternal truth in life, "Whatever man has done, man can do".
And they will add more stars on your team jersey.
I see your point and agree. I really am not looking for anyone to salute them as d3 kings (everyone agrees that's Messiah), just a the little respect they have clearly earned.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
LOL, I live for arguments. So, I am not able to defend a comment about Loras being happy with just getting to the Final 4? I didn't degrade everything he said. I think that the comment was so ridiculous and asinine I decided to give a little clarity to the situation. I said they are #2 in the last 10 years not since the inception of the modern tournament, which OWU and Wheaton definitely would be better as well as a host of other teams.
If you notice I haven't degraded other teams abilities as it seems is a popular thing to do on here, instead I am defending my teams ability to make deep runs in the tournament. Just because they haven't won the Championship doesn't mean they aren't a great team.
he never even said they were happy with a final four... he stated loras MIGHT be happy with getting there. he was making an example not stating a fact or quote. and my comments about you were from what I Have seen from when I joined a week ago until
now. not just this occasion. see here you go AGAIN making stuff up and nitpicking at every single thing someone says. Loras is a great team. always will be. but like I said before they are the Arsenal of D3. finishing 3/4 consistently but always giving a challenging game. and I wonder if you will ever get over the 2013 RUC game. 2 fluke goals my ***. the better team won that night.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm over the RUC loss, just stating my opinion, which apparently is only allowed by the you.
You're some kind of special, gotta be from Jersey.
We don't need or want your pity FPL.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
LOL, I live for arguments. So, I am not able to defend a comment about Loras being happy with just getting to the Final 4? I didn't degrade everything he said. I think that the comment was so ridiculous and asinine I decided to give a little clarity to the situation. I said they are #2 in the last 10 years not since the inception of the modern tournament, which OWU and Wheaton definitely would be better as well as a host of other teams.
If you notice I haven't degraded other teams abilities as it seems is a popular thing to do on here, instead I am defending my teams ability to make deep runs in the tournament. Just because they haven't won the Championship doesn't mean they aren't a great team.
he never even said they were happy with a final four... he stated loras MIGHT be happy with getting there. he was making an example not stating a fact or quote. and my comments about you were from what I Have seen from when I joined a week ago until
now. not just this occasion. see here you go AGAIN making stuff up and nitpicking at every single thing someone says. Loras is a great team. always will be. but like I said before they are the Arsenal of D3. finishing 3/4 consistently but always giving a challenging game. and I wonder if you will ever get over the 2013 RUC game. 2 fluke goals my ***. the better team won that night.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm over the RUC loss, just stating my opinion, which apparently is only allowed by the you.
You're some kind of special, gotta be from Jersey.
We don't need or want your pity FPL.
oh wow another jersey joke. you're on fire right now. let's ignore everything else I said and blame it on me being from jersey haha you're a joke Kickin. and what Pity do you speak of? you're the one full of excuses for your all mighty duhawks. also what is a duhawk exactly?
EASY.......
NOW GOING AFTER MASCOTS IS WHERE I DRAW THE LINE :)
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 01:39:49 PM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
LOL, I live for arguments. So, I am not able to defend a comment about Loras being happy with just getting to the Final 4? I didn't degrade everything he said. I think that the comment was so ridiculous and asinine I decided to give a little clarity to the situation. I said they are #2 in the last 10 years not since the inception of the modern tournament, which OWU and Wheaton definitely would be better as well as a host of other teams.
If you notice I haven't degraded other teams abilities as it seems is a popular thing to do on here, instead I am defending my teams ability to make deep runs in the tournament. Just because they haven't won the Championship doesn't mean they aren't a great team.
he never even said they were happy with a final four... he stated loras MIGHT be happy with getting there. he was making an example not stating a fact or quote. and my comments about you were from what I Have seen from when I joined a week ago until
now. not just this occasion. see here you go AGAIN making stuff up and nitpicking at every single thing someone says. Loras is a great team. always will be. but like I said before they are the Arsenal of D3. finishing 3/4 consistently but always giving a challenging game. and I wonder if you will ever get over the 2013 RUC game. 2 fluke goals my ***. the better team won that night.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm over the RUC loss, just stating my opinion, which apparently is only allowed by the you.
You're some kind of special, gotta be from Jersey.
We don't need or want your pity FPL.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 25, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
I don't think it's possible to post something on here without Kickin trying to degrade everything you said. Loras is #3-4 because they haven't made a final match EVER it's not that hard to understand. OWU and Wheaton in the past have both done better. you think you are so knowledgable and no one else's opinion matters. at first I thought you just liked to argue but now I see you just live for these kinds of arguments.
LOL, I live for arguments. So, I am not able to defend a comment about Loras being happy with just getting to the Final 4? I didn't degrade everything he said. I think that the comment was so ridiculous and asinine I decided to give a little clarity to the situation. I said they are #2 in the last 10 years not since the inception of the modern tournament, which OWU and Wheaton definitely would be better as well as a host of other teams.
If you notice I haven't degraded other teams abilities as it seems is a popular thing to do on here, instead I am defending my teams ability to make deep runs in the tournament. Just because they haven't won the Championship doesn't mean they aren't a great team.
he never even said they were happy with a final four... he stated loras MIGHT be happy with getting there. he was making an example not stating a fact or quote. and my comments about you were from what I Have seen from when I joined a week ago until
now. not just this occasion. see here you go AGAIN making stuff up and nitpicking at every single thing someone says. Loras is a great team. always will be. but like I said before they are the Arsenal of D3. finishing 3/4 consistently but always giving a challenging game. and I wonder if you will ever get over the 2013 RUC game. 2 fluke goals my ***. the better team won that night.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm over the RUC loss, just stating my opinion, which apparently is only allowed by the you.
You're some kind of special, gotta be from Jersey.
We don't need or want your pity FPL.
oh wow another jersey joke. you're on fire right now. let's ignore everything else I said and blame it on me being from jersey haha you're a joke Kickin. and what Pity do you speak of? you're the one full of excuses for your all mighty duhawks. also what is a duhawk exactly?
HA! I didn't even know you were from Jersey and wasn't making any joke, just a hunch by your tough guy attitude. The pity I speak of was your comment of not feeling sorry for Loras after the Williams post.
I don't recall making excuses. An excuse would be if I said "they would have won if it wasn't for..." I stated what happened, not what should have happened. Oh, A Duhawk is a Dubuque Hawk, I would't expect a Jersey boy to be able to think of a contracted name.
Let's move on to something else, I getting bored of arguing about this.
Now jersey boy, take your spray tan, hair gel, and Mr. T starter kit and beat feet. ( that's a Jersey Joke).
I think what you are describing is New Yorkers that migrate to the Jersey Shore for the summer.
Reminds me of the Family Guy episode... "Leafers"
Kickin you 100% already knew I was from jersey because I admitted that a week ago so good try once again. im not going to stoop down to your level and make fun of where you are from. and honestly I really didn't know what a duhawk was and have been wondering for some time. good luck in the final four we all know your team will need it because 0-5 is gut wrenching. and thanks for thinking I have a tough guy attitude and btw I absolutely LOVE the show Jersey Shore.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 25, 2015, 02:04:47 PM
I think what you are describing is New Yorkers that migrate to the Jersey Shore for the summer.
Reminds me of the Family Guy episode... "Leafers"
;D Thumbs Up!
Quote from: firstplaceloser on November 25, 2015, 02:12:05 PM
Kickin you 100% already knew I was from jersey because I admitted that a week ago so good try once again. im not going to stoop down to your level and make fun of where you are from. and honestly I really didn't know what a duhawk was and have been wondering for some time. good luck in the final four we all know your team will need it because 0-5 is gut wrenching. and thanks for thinking I have a tough guy attitude and btw I absolutely LOVE the show Jersey Shore.
I really didn't know you were from Jersey. Was I making fun of you? Sorry, but you were the one who took the first step down when you had your little conversational dialog post. I just assumed you were sticking it to me about the Duhawk, many people have asked that question. Actually remember playing UW-Whitewater back in the mid 90's and they actually huddled up after the match and their team chant at the break was "What the hell is a Duhawk",you can't make that stuff up. You mean you don't all look like Snooky and the Situation, you know we all wear overalls and ride cows to work here in the midwest!
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 25, 2015, 02:18:08 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 25, 2015, 02:04:47 PM
I think what you are describing is New Yorkers that migrate to the Jersey Shore for the summer.
Reminds me of the Family Guy episode... "Leafers"
;D Thumps Up!
That was a great episode, going back to the early years.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 25, 2015, 07:27:49 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 24, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
The number of championship stars on your crest matters...a lot! Precisely because it is so very hard to do. I contend that there isn't one player on any of these final 4 teams that agrees that it's great to just make a deep run. They all want to win the championship...period.
Loras might look at their season if they don't win it all or even if they make it to their first ever championship final and say "Wow! We had a successful season!" But if they do say that, that's why they probably won't win it the next time around. A true champion program just wouldn't say that. If they don't win it all, it's not success. Just ask the players and alumni from the greatest program(s)...they will tell you.
Also kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around the notion that Loras is the absolute definitive #2 program in the past decade. Yes they made five Final 4's and lost every one of those games...never making it to the top 2 (Championship Final) in the 40 year history of the NCAA D3 national tournament. If winning a Final 4 game were as "random" as some have suggested...the odds of losing five Final 4 games in a row is 3.1%. And statisticians understand that at odds that low it likely isn't random anymore (at p=.05), and its possible there is something else at play that starts to take the "randomness" out of the equation (maybe easy sectional play, psychological, better competition, system of play that can't win at the higher levels, it could be any number of things). Or maybe it is random chance. But with every Final 4 loss in a row, it is more and more statistically likely that there is something other then "randomness" at play.
If given the choice, I think Loras would trade all of those Final 4's for one Championship...and likely do it unblinkingly.
Maybe this will be the year they finally get to the Final and ultimately hoist the Championship trophy...maybe.
As a point of comparison, there's a D3 Field Hockey program who has been to the NCAA Championship Final 7 times...and lost 7 times. As absolutely brutal as it seems (and it is brutal and unfair), no one really cares.
Championships matter.
I agree with most of what you are saying here but to say not winning a championship means it was a failure is a stretch. If Messiah would have made the tournament this season and say lost in the Sweet 16 I don't think that would have been regarded as a "failure." Even last year's loss to Tufts wasn't a"failure." It sucks and they might have felt that way at first, but looking back they will see how much they accomplished for the program. I think winning a championship does matter big time which Loras has not been able to achieve yet, but it doesn't make them a bad team or not worthy of recognition.
Look at college basketball for example:
Coach K has been at Duke since 1980(I think) and has 5 NCAA championships in 35 years. That means he wins 1 championship every 7 years. He has been to 12 Final 4's which means he lost more in the Final 4 than he won...does that make him a failure? Does it make him a failure for not winning a championship in his first 10 years at Duke? Or for the drought they had after the 1992 team until 2001? Of course not. Winning is HARD. Messiah is a special breed that we most likely won't see again. I don't think Coach K would consider their teams that lost in the Final 4 as failures. And we shouldn't do the same to Loras either...but they need to get over the hump to be taken seriously in the long run.
Another good example is Tom Izzo. He has been at MSU for 20 years and has 1 championship and 7 Final 4's. No one would consider Tom Izzo a bad coach or his teams failures despite only being 1/20 or 1/7 depending on how you look at it. But the 9 Elite 8's and 13 Sweet 16's and making the tournament 18/20 years is why he and his program is so respected and recognized. So what Loras has accomplished in the last 10 years is wonderful but as I said above they need a championship to be recognized as a "top, top dog" in college soccer.
You keep quoting me as using the word "failure", when that word does not exist in my post. You are so emotionally charged over this that you aren't reading properly and are misquoting me. Love the passion you have for your team (honestly I do), but please don't put words in my mouth that simply are not true. I will try to address your post in more detail later. Thank you!
Time to send my employees home early, see I am a nice guy! Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
After watching South Park this season I might have to drop the name lastguyoffthebench and go with PC Benchwarmer
As long as you keep everyone's privelidge in check, PC Benchwarmer ;D
No one has any predictions yet? I got to get a spread out first I guess. One Semi-Final at a time. All in bananas of course.
SPREAD BANANA LINE TOTAL
Amherst -1/2 +125 +145 Over 2 1/2 +105
Oneonta St +1/2 -200 +175 Under 2 1/2 -120
Draw / PK's +220
SPREAD BANANA LINE TOTAL
Loras -1/2 -125 +150 Over 2 1/2 -120
Calvin +1/2 -175 +200 Under 2 1/2 +100
Draw / PK's +240
D3soccer.com's first coach's interview has been published.
November 30, 2015
Interview: Dan Rothert, Loras men's coach (http://www.d3soccer.com/x/gfufq)
The 18-year head coach of the Loras Duhawks talks to D3soccer.com about
his team's make-up and playing style, the culture and squad depth he's built
over the years, the use of a sweeper, and winning their first semifinal.
By Ryan Harmanis
My predictions for Friday:
Amherst 2-1 On St
Loras 2 -1 Calvin
Good interview with Rothert. I love the emphasis on developing players off the reserve squad, rather than simply recruiting top players or transfers. Also the acknowledgement that "Johnny Rummelhart up top, he's just one of the most freakish athletes at the Division III level at any sport."
BANANA LINE PARLAY: 8.6/1 ODDS
AMHERST/ONEONTA ST: DRAW +220
CALVIN WIN: +200
Quote from: Christan Shirk on November 30, 2015, 02:39:44 PM
D3soccer.com's first coach's interview has been published.
November 30, 2015
Interview: Dan Rothert, Loras men's coach (http://www.d3soccer.com/x/gfufq)
The 18-year head coach of the Loras Duhawks talks to D3soccer.com about
his team's make-up and playing style, the culture and squad depth he's built
over the years, the use of a sweeper, and winning their first semifinal.
By Ryan Harmanis
Exceptionally well-executed interview. Well done by both RH and Coach Rothert. Great insight into the Loras program.
Let's go Duhawks!
Here are my picks...
Calvin - 1
Loras -0
With Calvin allowing only 1 goal in their last 11 games, and with Loras not really having a bonafide goal scorer or two, I think this game will go to Calvin. Although is it statistically very unlikely that Loras would lose another Final 4 match in a row. So for this one I'm going will my feeling more than what the odds might indicate.
SUNY Oneonta - 1
Amherst - 0
With SUNY Oneonta allowing no goals in their last 9 games, and with Amherst only winning 3 of their last 5 games, I'm picking SUNY Oneonta to win. Also Amherst doesn't even seem to be sure who they are playing as they have listed Oneonta State as their opponent for this weekend. Either that's a gross oversight, or could it be the private school taunting the "lowly state college" (as SUNY Oneonta doesn't seem to refer to themselves as that anywhere) -- either way some additional motivation for SUNY Oneonta (OK maybe trying to stir up some controversy where none exists). Still I'm going with SUNY Oneonta to win.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 30, 2015, 11:33:58 PMAlso Amherst doesn't even seem to be sure who they are playing as they have listed Oneonta State as their opponent for this weekend. Either that's a gross oversight, or could it be the private school taunting the "lowly state college" (as SUNY Oneonta doesn't seem to refer to themselves as that anywhere) -- either way some additional motivation for SUNY Oneonta (OK maybe trying to stir up some controversy where none exists).
Someone might want to let their basketball team know they aren't Oneonta State.
from http://www.oneontaathletics.com/index.aspx?path=mbball
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oneontaathletics.com%2Fimages%2F2015%2F1%2F26%2Frp_primary_Massaroni037.jpg&hash=6f5f7cf2ddbc0783bb8134a2ea0df43306ba0609)
Someone might want to let their bookstore know they aren't Oneonta State.
from http://reddragonoutfitters.oneonta.edu/SiteText.aspx?id=28431
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Freddragonoutfitters.oneonta.edu%2FSiteImages%2F17-SchoolImages%2F17-August%2F17-clothing-main-page.jpg&hash=146a922ee588c62cc37b379a32535427af01cb02)
I think this must be a recent shift for the athletics program to phase out the references to "Oneonta State" in preference of "SUNY Oneonta". Looking at the logos and branding on their athletics website now, you are correct that it's either "SUNY Oneonta" or simply "Oneonta" or "O", but go to this Google search (https://www.google.com/search?q=Oneonta+State+Red+Dragons&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYlPjq3rrJAhUM8CYKHXqEAcEQ_AUIBygB&biw=1920&bih=929) and you'll see recently used logos/wordmarks/branding that used "Oneonta State". I hadn't noticed the shift, so I can't say when it started, but it certainly isn't long ago that their own athletics website was still using "Oneonta State" in its visual identity.
converting opinions which are held on authority into opinions which are held on the basis of one's own conviction does not necessarily alter the content of those opinions, and it certainly does not thereby replace error with truth.
D3soccer.com's second coach's interview has been published.
December 1, 2015
Interview: Justin Serpone, Amherst men's coach (http://www.d3soccer.com/x/3zwlt)
The 9th-year head coach of the Amherst Lord Jeffs talks to D3soccer.com about
winnng for the players that came before, his team's playing style, key players and
leaders, and grinding to the Final Four.
By Ryan Harmanis
Quote from: Flying Weasel on December 01, 2015, 08:16:06 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 30, 2015, 11:33:58 PMAlso Amherst doesn't even seem to be sure who they are playing as they have listed Oneonta State as their opponent for this weekend. Either that's a gross oversight, or could it be the private school taunting the "lowly state college" (as SUNY Oneonta doesn't seem to refer to themselves as that anywhere) -- either way some additional motivation for SUNY Oneonta (OK maybe trying to stir up some controversy where none exists).
Someone might want to let their basketball team know they aren't Oneonta State.
from http://www.oneontaathletics.com/index.aspx?path=mbball
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oneontaathletics.com%2Fimages%2F2015%2F1%2F26%2Frp_primary_Massaroni037.jpg&hash=6f5f7cf2ddbc0783bb8134a2ea0df43306ba0609)
Someone might want to let their bookstore know they aren't Oneonta State.
from http://reddragonoutfitters.oneonta.edu/SiteText.aspx?id=28431
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I think this must be a recent shift for the athletics program to phase out the references to "Oneonta State" in preference of "SUNY Oneonta". Looking at the logos and branding on their athletics website now, you are correct that it's either "SUNY Oneonta" or simply "Oneonta" or "O", but go to this Google search (https://www.google.com/search?q=Oneonta+State+Red+Dragons&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYlPjq3rrJAhUM8CYKHXqEAcEQ_AUIBygB&biw=1920&bih=929) and you'll see recently used logos/wordmarks/branding that used "Oneonta State". I hadn't noticed the shift, so I can't say when it started, but it certainly isn't long ago that their own athletics website was still using "Oneonta State" in its visual identity.
Just a little "inside baseball" talk here...the way it's listed on their men's soccer schedule has nothing to do with Amherst and everything to do with PrestoSports, their content management system. When you go to schedule a game in Presto, it has all possible opponents listed in their system, and you have to select what they have it labeled as. In this case, it appears Presto themselves haven't made the switch from Oneonta State to SUNY Oneonta. If you look elsewhere on Amherst's men's soccer page, like in the preview they posted for example, they use the SUNY Oneonta terminology.
A couple points I took away from the Serpone interview. In total random order.
1. He really cares for his players and they work their ass off for him and themselves. That is most definitely a "culture" he changed when he arrived at Amherst. That to me is the biggest difference between Amherst prior to Serpone's arrival and now. They always had talent (2012 is the exception as that was the most talented Amherst side I have ever seen by a wide margin) but the players never had the work rate they do now under Serpone.
2. He has officially jinxed GK Thomas Bull with the MLS reference. Alot of eyes will be on Bull, can he perform under even more scrutiny? You better believe that will be bulletin board material for Byrne motivating his players to knock a few in the back of the net.
3. A coach using the terms "dude" and "chill", I would need some time to get used to. But hey it is a different era. Rothert looks like he is the same way. Not a negative thing just something I would pick up on.
4. You can bet he got the better of the 2 scouting reports as Haverford's Head Coach is a former Amherst assistant.
5. His evaluation of NPL is very accurate especially what other coaches thought about him when he was getting recruited. He was passed over by some good schools who wish they could have predicted his development as a player. Serpone took a chance and he nailed that one. It happens to every coach at every school as you are not going to always make the right decisions recruiting. NPL reminds me alot of Bowdoin's 2007 graduate all-star Nick Figueiredo. They are different players but they were recruited the same way. Coaches in Nescac and Ivies backed off because they were not sure he was physical enough and Ainscough up at Bowdoin took a chance. He ended up being IMO in 2006 and 2007 one of the best Nescac players the league had. I believe Figueiredo ended up with about 40 goals in his career and had so much skill and composure. He also improved steadily every year( like NPL) and his teammates would look to him if they needed a big goal.
6. He knows his team better than anyone but I just cannot agree with the Orozco analysis. Just is not my cup of tea and personally i think he slows them down when they are attacking but he is a physical force and Oneonta will KNOW when he is in the game.
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 01, 2015, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on December 01, 2015, 08:16:06 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 30, 2015, 11:33:58 PM
I think this must be a recent shift for the athletics program to phase out the references to "Oneonta State" in preference of "SUNY Oneonta". Looking at the logos and branding on their athletics website now, you are correct that it's either "SUNY Oneonta" or simply "Oneonta" or "O", but go to this Google search (https://www.google.com/search?q=Oneonta+State+Red+Dragons&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYlPjq3rrJAhUM8CYKHXqEAcEQ_AUIBygB&biw=1920&bih=929) and you'll see recently used logos/wordmarks/branding that used "Oneonta State". I hadn't noticed the shift, so I can't say when it started, but it certainly isn't long ago that their own athletics website was still using "Oneonta State" in its visual identity.
Just a little "inside baseball" talk here...the way it's listed on their men's soccer schedule has nothing to do with Amherst and everything to do with PrestoSports, their content management system. When you go to schedule a game in Presto, it has all possible opponents listed in their system, and you have to select what they have it labeled as. In this case, it appears Presto themselves haven't made the switch from Oneonta State to SUNY Oneonta. If you look elsewhere on Amherst's men's soccer page, like in the preview they posted for example, they use the SUNY Oneonta terminology.
Great insider insight. I'll add that the State University of New York (SUNY) system central administration has asked each of its 64 campuses to emphasize the SUNY aspect (SUNY at Buffalo, SUNY at Oneonta) as part of the effort to have students see SUNY as an integrated system (and to allow for 'seamless transfer' of courses among them). So, the recent emphasis on SUNY over the traditional naming based on institution type (Oneonta State College of NY was at one time their name). Pretty sure it matters not to the Oneonta players.
Reminds me of the old line: "...call me anything you like, just don't call me late to dinner."
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 01, 2015, 02:04:12 PM
Just a little "inside baseball" talk here...the way it's listed on their men's soccer schedule has nothing to do with Amherst and everything to do with PrestoSports, their content management system. When you go to schedule a game in Presto, it has all possible opponents listed in their system, and you have to select what they have it labeled as. In this case, it appears Presto themselves haven't made the switch from Oneonta State to SUNY Oneonta. If you look elsewhere on Amherst's men's soccer page, like in the preview they posted for example, they use the SUNY Oneonta terminology.
That's true, however, each website using PrestoSports is able to customize any school name specifically for their website. That said, I don't expect an SID or his/her staff to take the time to utilize this customization feature. We at D3soccer.com have numerous customized names (most from before I was involved) where someone decided to deviate from what the larger network uses. And I know we could customize numerous others to get to a/the more commonly used variation of a school's name (changing Rochester Tech to RIT is on my list for next season as that has been annoying me for years). One reason we would hesitate to make a change is that it creates issues with the archives and naviagting into/through archived previous seasons unless you take a fair amount of time to update the name in numerous locations/files for each archived season. But this is boring for most everyone. I would be curious to know (and another thread would be the place for it) what names we us on D3soccer.com that our visitors think we should go with another variation.
Let's not lose sight of how the discussion about the Oneonta name came about. The idea that Oneonta will use how the Amherst website referred to the school as some kind of bulletin board material ranks right up there with last year's most bizarre comment.
D3soccer.com's third coach's interview has been published.
December 2, 2015
Interview: Ryan Souders, Calvin men's coach (http://www.d3soccer.com/x/nr62k)
The 4th-year head coach of the Calvin Knights talks to D3soccer.com about
his team's difficult run through the tournament, their incredible team culture, and
their malleable playing style heading into this weekend.
By Ryan Harmanis
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 01, 2015, 02:36:50 PM
A couple points I took away from the Serpone interview. In total random order.
1. He really cares for his players and they work their ass off for him and themselves. That is most definitely a "culture" he changed when he arrived at Amherst. That to me is the biggest difference between Amherst prior to Serpone's arrival and now. They always had talent (2012 is the exception as that was the most talented Amherst side I have ever seen by a wide margin) but the players never had the work rate they do now under Serpone.
2. He has officially jinxed GK Thomas Bull with the MLS reference. Alot of eyes will be on Bull, can he perform under even more scrutiny? You better believe that will be bulletin board material for Byrne motivating his players to knock a few in the back of the net.
3. A coach using the terms "dude" and "chill", I would need some time to get used to. But hey it is a different era. Rothert looks like he is the same way. Not a negative thing just something I would pick up on.
4. You can bet he got the better of the 2 scouting reports as Haverford's Head Coach is a former Amherst assistant.
5. His evaluation of NPL is very accurate especially what other coaches thought about him when he was getting recruited. He was passed over by some good schools who wish they could have predicted his development as a player. Serpone took a chance and he nailed that one. It happens to every coach at every school as you are not going to always make the right decisions recruiting. NPL reminds me alot of Bowdoin's 2007 graduate all-star Nick Figueiredo. They are different players but they were recruited the same way. Coaches in Nescac and Ivies backed off because they were not sure he was physical enough and Ainscough up at Bowdoin took a chance. He ended up being IMO in 2006 and 2007 one of the best Nescac players the league had. I believe Figueiredo ended up with about 40 goals in his career and had so much skill and composure. He also improved steadily every year( like NPL) and his teammates would look to him if they needed a big goal.
6. He knows his team better than anyone but I just cannot agree with the Orozco analysis. Just is not my cup of tea and personally i think he slows them down when they are attacking but he is a physical force and Oneonta will KNOW when he is in the game.
Didn't read the interviews yet but in reference to the bold section for #3 on your list Mr. Right...how a coach talks shouldn't define whether he/she is a good coach or not? It's just modern day slang that I am sure he picked up from being around other players at his previous schools and current school in Amherst. Also it probably makes him more favorable to the players since he is younger and hip and can relate a little better than a 70 year old coach who is stuck in his ways. I am curious to see the average age of coaches in the final 4 this year. It's gotta be below 40 right? That definitely tells you something.
Final 4 Predictions:
Oneonta 2
Amherst 1
Loras 3
Calvin 1
Oneonta 2
Loras 2
Oneonta in PK's (5-3)
Amherst 1
Oneonta 1
PK's to Amherst 7-6
Loras 1
Calvin0
(2OT)
Amherst 2
Loras 0
Amherst=champs
Amherst 1, Oneonta St 1. Amherst advances on PKs
Calvin 1, Loras 0.
Amherst 1, Calvin 0.
Haven't looked at the Loras interview yet... Was the 2011 4-0 loss to Calvin mentioned? Has Loras improved that much since then or has Calvin dropped off at all? I thought the 2011 Oneonta St team was better technically than Calvin, but the Knights buried the chances early on in lieu of a 4-2 win.
I thought OWU was better than Calvin, but the Knights got it done. (missed the games vs F&M and Kenyon). In looking at the box scores, Calvin has been outshot 3 games in a row this tournament:
13-12 OWU: 5 shots on goal, 2 scored.
14-9 F&M: 2 shots on goal, 1 scored.
10-7 Kenyon: 1 shot on goal, 1 scored.
My heart says Oneonta and Loras, but my head says Amherst and Calvin.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 02, 2015, 05:29:05 PM
Haven't looked at the Loras interview yet... Was the 2011 4-0 loss to Calvin mentioned? Has Loras improved that much since then or has Calvin dropped off at all? I thought the 2011 Oneonta St team was better technically than Calvin, but the Knights buried the chances early on in lieu of a 4-2 win.
I thought OWU was better than Calvin, but the Knights got it done. (missed the games vs F&M and Kenyon). In looking at the box scores, Calvin has been outshot 3 games in a row this tournament:
13-12 OWU: 5 shots on goal, 2 scored.
14-9 F&M: 2 shots on goal, 1 scored.
10-7 Kenyon: 1 shot on goal, 1 scored.
My heart says Oneonta and Loras, but my head says Amherst and Calvin.
2011 game wasn't mentioned - Souders (Calvin coach) wasn't there in 2011 and unless they have redshirt seniors nobody from either team would still be around.
Loras interview spoke about the change in style and subbing that didn't really yield results until 2012, but since then it's been three Final Fours in four years. Calvin had the same dropoff after the coach left, but was very good last year and obviously have been great this year. OWU struggling in the regular season at times both years, plus Calvin's strength of schedule this year, led to unfortunate early matchups.
I thought OWU had Calvin in the first 55-60 minutes and should have been 2-3 goals up, but nobody else has managed to put Calvin's defense on its heels yet. The goalkeeping is really good, the defense is huge, athletic, technical, etc., and they're just very difficult to break down.
Also, with the way Calvin attacks the SOG stat is somewhat misleading. From the 3-4 times I've watched them play, they go through the wingers, who try to beat their man to the endline and "bangoo" (or cut back) a pass for an easy tap-in. So while I agree they haven't created quite as much as you'd expect from a Final Four team, when they do get those opportunities I'm not surprised the goals/SOG ratio is quite high. As an example, the tying goal against OWU was just like that, great cutback and the guy just passed it into the net from 10 yards out.
I think I already did one, but I'm going to change it. and I may surprise a few of you.
Oneonta State 3 Amherst 2 (1OT) 96th minute
Loras 2 Calvin 2 (pks) loras wins
Loras 2 Oneonta 1 (2OT) header off a corner or set piece
Loras is deep enough to survive the first overtime game, and it gives them a major advantage on Saturday.
I know I'm not the biggest Loras fan but i think I have to give it to them this year
D3soccer.com's fourth and final coach's interview has been published.
December 3, 2015
Interview: Iain Byrne, Oneonta State men's coach (http://www.d3soccer.com/x/3h12e)
The 13th-year head coach of the Oneonta State Red Dragons talks to D3soccer.com
about how he's built the program, his team's great defense and exciting style of play,
and the drive to go one step further than 2014.
By Ryan Harmanis
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 03, 2015, 12:00:10 AM
Loras 2 Calvin 2 (pks) loras wins
You do realize Calvin has given up 5 goals all year? I think if there are PKs the most likely score is 0-0.
Massey says about a 50% chance that Loras will score 0 against Calvin, 32% that they'll score 1, maybe 12% that they'll get 2.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 02, 2015, 05:29:05 PM
Haven't looked at the Loras interview yet... Was the 2011 4-0 loss to Calvin mentioned? Has Loras improved that much since then or has Calvin dropped off at all? I thought the 2011 Oneonta St team was better technically than Calvin, but the Knights buried the chances early on in lieu of a 4-2 win.
I thought OWU was better than Calvin, but the Knights got it done. (missed the games vs F&M and Kenyon). In looking at the box scores, Calvin has been outshot 3 games in a row this tournament:
13-12 OWU: 5 shots on goal, 2 scored.
14-9 F&M: 2 shots on goal, 1 scored.
10-7 Kenyon: 1 shot on goal, 1 scored.
My heart says Oneonta and Loras, but my head says Amherst and Calvin.
Ryan was correct, there aren't any players from Calvin's current team that were on that 2011 squad. I think Johnny Rummelhart is the only player from Loras that is still around after his medical Redshirt last season. I wouldn't think a match from 5 years ago would have any affect whatsoever on either of these team.
Should be a great one, weather looks like it will cooperate. I will see whomever is going to be there tomorrow evening. Safe travels to anyone planning on attending.
Quote from: Dark Knight on December 03, 2015, 11:04:22 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 03, 2015, 12:00:10 AM
Loras 2 Calvin 2 (pks) loras wins
You do realize Calvin has given up 5 goals all year? I think if there are PKs the most likely score is 0-0.
Massey says about a 50% chance that Loras will score 0 against Calvin, 32% that they'll score 1, maybe 12% that they'll get 2.
just a gut feeling, I know how it feels to play in a final four game and it's tough
not to give up any goals.
Oneonta 2 Amherst 0 In a dog fight that becomes an instant classic.
Calvin 0 Loras 0 PK Calvin
Oneonta 2 Calvin 0
Champion SUNY Oneonta or Oneonta State.
The Boyz wont care once they win.
Quote from: Saint of Old on December 03, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
Oneonta 2 Amherst 0 In a dog fight that becomes an instant classic.
Calvin 0 Loras 0 PK Calvin
Oneonta 2 Calvin 0
Champion SUNY Oneonta or Oneonta State.
The Boyz wont care once they win.
I'm with Saint of Old on predictions. Its a Liberty League thing.
Loras 2
Calvin 1
Oneota 1
Amherst 0
Loras 1
Oneota 0
RE: Calvin....
I agree that OWU vs Calvin was a tough 2nd round match-up (right up there with Montclair vs Tufts), and winning was huge mostly because you advance but also because OWU, away, was a hurdle especially given the history between the two schools. That said, Calvin's advancement through the next two games was equally or more impressive. They definitely have proven themselves as worthy while acknowledging they could have lost any of those three games. F&M was starting to pressure the Calvin defense late in that game and should have scored on a point-blank chance. The Calvin GK made a tremendous save. That would have only tied that game so who knows. In the Elite 8 Kenyon IMO looked more likely to score with 20 minutes left and in anticipation of OT periods and only a major gaffe having little to nothing to do with Calvin's attack resulted in a late Calvin goal. The goal also was opportune in the sense that little time remained for a response. Shortly before the goal the Calvin GK had to make another very good save as a Kenyon player broke free into the box. Calvin is very good, and better than given credit for most of the season, but Calvin also survived (in a sense like most teams have to do to advance). They are unlikely to run away with a game against Final Four level of competition, just as they are unlikely to be blown out. They have a bit of a destiny feel and I think they have something going on with their coach right now that is special and which is very in sync with the whole Calvin zeitgeist. I'm very curious to see the game with Loras. I mentioned this I think before, but the difference for me may come down to depth. Calvin only goes 3, at most 4, deep off the bench and Loras is going to come in waves with lots of different looks. I just think Loras is going to be too much for Calvin to survive again. If Calvin goes down a goal I think they'll have trouble equalizing and/or preventing a second one from the Duhawks. If Loras goes down, as long as it's in the 1st half or with at least 25-30 minutes left in the 2nd, they'll be fine. Loras will be confident in their system to eventually wear the Knights down. I look for Bradley to have a big game for Loras and they have more than a few kids who will know how to handle the take-you-out, smile-and-apologize while helping you off the ground, and then take-you-out again tactics of the Calvin CB. Loras does have to be careful not to drop down to 10 men while the Calvin player stays on the field.
I expect Amherst to win fairly comfortably while the score will be close, like 1-0 or 2-1.
I want to pick Loras in the final, and I think they'll have a good chance, but my head is saying that Amherst will be the one animal the Duhawks haven't seen and at some point the sheer size and force of Amherst will prevail. Either way, one of these big-time programs will get a huge monkey off their backs.
today's the day we've all been waiting for. Good luck to all participants and may the odds be ever in your favor.
Thoughts for tonight
Amherst wins 2-1
Loras wins 1-0
Championship
Amherst wins 1-0 in OT
I am predicting Loras defeating Calvin with a hand from god 1-0.
I am a big Nescac fan and I believe Amherst is the better team but somehow Oneonta continues Amherst bad luck and beats them on PK's.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 02, 2015, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 01, 2015, 02:36:50 PM
A couple points I took away from the Serpone interview. In total random order.
1. He really cares for his players and they work their ass off for him and themselves. That is most definitely a "culture" he changed when he arrived at Amherst. That to me is the biggest difference between Amherst prior to Serpone's arrival and now. They always had talent (2012 is the exception as that was the most talented Amherst side I have ever seen by a wide margin) but the players never had the work rate they do now under Serpone.
2. He has officially jinxed GK Thomas Bull with the MLS reference. Alot of eyes will be on Bull, can he perform under even more scrutiny? You better believe that will be bulletin board material for Byrne motivating his players to knock a few in the back of the net.
3. A coach using the terms "dude" and "chill", I would need some time to get used to. But hey it is a different era. Rothert looks like he is the same way. Not a negative thing just something I would pick up on.
4. You can bet he got the better of the 2 scouting reports as Haverford's Head Coach is a former Amherst assistant.
5. His evaluation of NPL is very accurate especially what other coaches thought about him when he was getting recruited. He was passed over by some good schools who wish they could have predicted his development as a player. Serpone took a chance and he nailed that one. It happens to every coach at every school as you are not going to always make the right decisions recruiting. NPL reminds me alot of Bowdoin's 2007 graduate all-star Nick Figueiredo. They are different players but they were recruited the same way. Coaches in Nescac and Ivies backed off because they were not sure he was physical enough and Ainscough up at Bowdoin took a chance. He ended up being IMO in 2006 and 2007 one of the best Nescac players the league had. I believe Figueiredo ended up with about 40 goals in his career and had so much skill and composure. He also improved steadily every year( like NPL) and his teammates would look to him if they needed a big goal.
6. He knows his team better than anyone but I just cannot agree with the Orozco analysis. Just is not my cup of tea and personally i think he slows them down when they are attacking but he is a physical force and Oneonta will KNOW when he is in the game.
Didn't read the interviews yet but in reference to the bold section for #3 on your list Mr. Right...how a coach talks shouldn't define whether he/she is a good coach or not? It's just modern day slang that I am sure he picked up from being around other players at his previous schools and current school in Amherst. Also it probably makes him more favorable to the players since he is younger and hip and can relate a little better than a 70 year old coach who is stuck in his ways. I am curious to see the average age of coaches in the final 4 this year. It's gotta be below 40 right? That definitely tells you something.
You are astounding at putting words into people's mouths err keyboards..I NEVER said that the way a coach uses slang DETERMINED whether or not he is a good coach. Serpone is a very good coach but it would take awhile for me and others to get used to being called dude by my coach. Coaches are not or should not be your friends as there has to be boundaries between coach and player. If there is not especially in this day and age with all the coddling and pampering and mis-communication then it can lead to "other" issues between coach and player.
Na..na..na..na..na.. Na..na..na..na... JAAP STAM
I will say Amherst has only let up 2 goals since September against very good competition. That is extremely solid. I am having a hard time seeing Oneonta being able to break them down.
I just noticed this, Loras always seems to get matched up against an undefeated team in the semifinals
That's all well and good when you get Carthage, DePauw, Wheaton as your run to get there.
Really looking forward to this Loras-Calvin match-up. I'll be routing for Calvin since I underestimated them almost the entire year, and felt as though Loras should have been #1 or #2 at times earlier in the year. Also would be nice for their unbeaten streak and a chance at history. 26-0-1 would just be unfathomable.
IF they get it done, they would have mowed down 3 #1s in the process. Not sure that's ever been done before.
don't know if anyone is watching but centre just scored from the oddest of angles as the goalie from Williams didn't even try to save the ball
Yes...That's how much I follow Women's soccer. ..Women can play some attractive soccer but one thing I HATE is the HORRIFIC GK'ing at the Women's level.
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2015, 03:37:32 PM
Yes...That's how much I follow Women's soccer. ..Women can play some attractive soccer but one thing I HATE is the HORRIFIC GK'ing at the Women's level.
yeah a good woman keeper is hard to find, the ones that are found get D1 offers right away because there is such a shortage on solid women keepers. the D3 schools kind of have to just settle for a sub par goalie and hope you can train her to become solid. makes things interesting
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 04, 2015, 03:42:25 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2015, 03:37:32 PM
Yes...That's how much I follow Women's soccer. ..Women can play some attractive soccer but one thing I HATE is the HORRIFIC GK'ing at the Women's level.
yeah a good woman keeper is hard to find, the ones that are found get D1 offers right away because there is such a shortage on solid women keepers. the D3 schools kind of have to just settle for a sub par goalie and hope you can train her to become solid. makes things interesting
The club goalie coach that can consistently train women GK to parry high balls effectively will have a lucrative camp business....
What's up with the negative karma when not even posting? And some going around for Mr.Right and FW also. Knock yourself but maybe give us a clue. I'll be glad to rack up a bunch more if I know what it's for.
Quote from: Part_Bart on December 04, 2015, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 04, 2015, 03:42:25 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2015, 03:37:32 PM
Yes...That's how much I follow Women's soccer. ..Women can play some attractive soccer but one thing I HATE is the HORRIFIC GK'ing at the Women's level.
yeah a good woman keeper is hard to find, the ones that are found get D1 offers right away because there is such a shortage on solid women keepers. the D3 schools kind of have to just settle for a sub par goalie and hope you can train her to become solid. makes things interesting
The club goalie coach that can consistently train women GK to parry high balls effectively will have a lucrative camp business....
College girls should be able to parry "balls"... don't they usually have hands on experience in high school?
We have a feed, gents!
This ref doing a solid job so far as he is not letting Amherst or Oneonta get chippy as of yet
Interestingly Oneonta matching Amherst physicality even with the size difference
pretty mad I won't be able to watch the games tonight, I'm hoping for two instant classic matches.
You didn't miss much of anything in the first half of Amherst-Oneonta. Two "shots" on goal, if you can call them that, with tame headers from Amherst on set pieces that any goalkeeper would save with ease. No great chances for either side, 2-3 half-chances for Amherst off set pieces, about the same for Oneonta. First half probably even, but we've had 19 fouls and only 8 shots.
Amherst's best chance was a flicked header that Oneonta saved easily. Oneonta's best chance was a through ball that led to a shot from about 8-10 yards out, but Amherst had two defenders make a great block so the shot never even reached goal. Neither chance seemed very likely to score.
Sensing an Oneonta St goal from a serviced ball from the left flank, either headed in or dropped to a trailing mid or a shot on target..
Amherst playing how they play in Nescac game in and game out. I do not think Oneonta will win on a header considering they have not won a header all game. Amherst will continue to bear down and might wear Oneonta down eventually but you are correct not one legit chance for either side. If I were Oneonta I would not be fouling Amherst much more in their own defensive end as that is how Amherst will score if they do score. Oneonta needs to keep spreading the ball out to the flanks and get Amherst defenders chasing but I am not seeing that as of now
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2015, 07:17:40 PM
Amherst playing how they play in Nescac game in and game out. I do not think Oneonta will win on a header considering they have not won a header all game. Amherst will continue to bear down and might wear Oneonta down eventually but you are correct not one legit chance for either side. If I were Oneonta I would not be fouling Amherst much more in their own defensive end as that is how Amherst will score if they do score. Oneonta needs to keep spreading the ball out to the flanks and get Amherst defenders chasing but I am not seeing that as of now
That's exactly how to beat or wear down Amherst...
Head that ball down to the carpet and it's a goal...
Oneonta's #18 had a wide open net and headed above the bar..5 minutes later Amherst Martin wide open goal and blocked by the last defender..Game seems to be opening up a bit...Is it just me or has Oneonta not subbed yet?
Oneonta subbed four players at once with 15 minutes to go in the first half. Actually, Amherst only used two subs for a total of four minutes (one player for 3, one for 1), so Oneonta's players got a bit more rest.
seems like too much respect was given between the two in the first half
Ahh I must have missed that mass sub by Oneonta..I am surprised Amherst has not used MF Rico more but who knows. Personally, I think Oneonta's Santengelo needs to go at Amherst Rohan Sood. I would like that match-up for Oneonta as Sood is a weak link IMO for Amherst
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 04, 2015, 07:49:37 PM
seems like too much respect was given between the two in the first half
Not really...It just has been a game between the 18's.
If this game goes to PK's which it looks like it might, the loser in PK's will exit the NCAA's without giving up a goal.
Amherst GK Bull looking really indecisive on some of these crosses. Almost looking a bit awkward. Oneonta needs to get more shots on net and test him right now
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
Santengelo needs to go at Amherst Rohan Sood. I would like that match-up for Oneonta as Sood is a weak link IMO for Amherst
Agree. Sood is the one player that I would be worried about if I were an Amherst fan.
Bull seems to be acting like Greenwood on these crosses, being very indecisive and narrowly escaping. Amherst seemed to be the better side for the first 50 or so, but Oneonta has had a really good spell and is growing into the game. Could be trouble for the Jeffs.
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2015, 07:54:01 PM
Amherst GK Bull looking really indecisive on some of these crosses. Almost looking a bit awkward. Oneonta needs to get more shots on net and test him right now
Didn't Serpone say he was trying to get him drafted by an MLS team?
Quote from: stlawus on December 04, 2015, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2015, 07:54:01 PM
Amherst GK Bull looking really indecisive on some of these crosses. Almost looking a bit awkward. Oneonta needs to get more shots on net and test him right now
Didn't Serpone say he was trying to get him drafted by an MLS team?
He mentioned they were trying to get him a look. I don't know if that means drafted as much as the chance to head to pre-season and get an extended try-out. Trinity (Texas)'s goalkeeper got that type of a look last year with Orlando City.
Tell you what - he might not have the same serving abilities as Bull does (watching Bull seemingly effortlessly kick a ball 80 yards is incredibly impressive) but Pellegrino is every bit Bull's equal in other departments. Has looked the better of the two in this game IMHO.
Quote from: stlawus on December 04, 2015, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2015, 07:54:01 PM
Amherst GK Bull looking really indecisive on some of these crosses. Almost looking a bit awkward. Oneonta needs to get more shots on net and test him right now
Didn't Serpone say he was trying to get him drafted by an MLS team?
I think he let that comment get to his head and is playing cautious so he does not Mess up
Bull isn't even commanding the box good enough for USL Level. MLS potential?
Question remains if this game goes to PK's which it looks like it will, does Serpone use that little used back-up GK in PK's and sit Bull like he did last year at SLU and v Brandeis?
Both these teams look gassed and that could play right into Loras' hands tomorrow
This game has been mostly in Oneonta St favor. Long ball city for Amherst
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 04, 2015, 08:32:50 PM
This game has been mostly in Oneonta St favor. Long ball city for Amherst
Amherst always plays long ball.
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2015, 08:28:29 PM
Both these teams look gassed and that could play right into Loras' hands tomorrow
don't get too far ahead of yourself haha they still need to beat an undefeated team tonight to even get to tomorrow, but I like the confidence
Oneonta has def out possessed Amherst but maybe had 1 or 2 chances on net. All that possession got them not a real sniff on net.Amherst will always play direct and use their size and athleticism.
I thought I saw Amherst back-up GK warming up for PK's?
Hats off to Amherst!!!
Good luck boyz.
Great season Oneonta.
Say what you want about Amherst, bottom line is RESPECT them because they win.
One more win for them and they are Kings of the D3 soccer world.
Amherst's direct long ball approach is no joy to watch and it didn't afford them any goals today. But they used their athleticism on defense to get to PK's to give themselves the chance to win as they move on.
Quick thoughts from NCAC....
Congrats to Amherst. Have to give them credit for being willing to grind out and take their chances in double OT and PK games.
Appreciate watching these players with more TV-like perspective. I thought was a very even game despite the different styles. I liked Oneonta more and they are really, really good. No doubt missed Passasiotore. Gives an idea about how good Haverford was. That said Amherst creates a lot of chances off long set pieces, throws, corners,etc.
Speaking of top players, Dylan Williams has got to be up there. Special player and too bad he missed the 1st PK.
NPL really is top-notch. Incredible work rate, up top always ready to pop through and then making defensive plays all the way at other end of the pitch. I know it has worked for him often, but I wish he'd stay on his feet a little more and try to dribble at defenders once in a while. Almost everything is a flip or trick play or a bicycle when maybe a bicycle isn't the easiest or best play. [BTW, have you ever see a team that attempts so many bike kicks?] He does have great sense with his first touch as is looking to make a killer flick or flip almost any time he's in the final 3rd. He gives some shots but he's willing to take them too. Everytime you looked up he was right there in the play somehow.
How could Pellegrino never be called for going a clear half-yard over the line every time he punts? That was mentioned by the announcer in the Haverford game.
As Mr.Right said, Oneonta out now without conceding a goal. Tough luck for them. They were good enough to win the whole thing and maybe the team there that can really match up with Amherst. Thought Purtell also was excellent and too bad he also missed his PK. Kept thinking Sutherland might get one. The Lenhart kid for Amherst is huge for them. Really smart and effective player.
Can't wait for the next one.
Definitely a tough way to go out for Oneonta. I thought they were the better team of the two but as someone else posted, neither really had more than 1 or 2 solid goal scoring opportunities. @NCAC, Pellegrino does a drop kick (vs. a punt) - he kicks it off the bounce.
Quote from: YoullNeverWalkAlone17 on December 04, 2015, 09:10:37 PM
Definitely a tough way to go out for Oneonta. I thought they were the better team of the two but as someone else posted, neither really had more than 1 or 2 solid goal scoring opportunities. @NCAC, Pellegrino does a drop kick (vs. a punt) - he kicks it off the bounce.
Right, misspoke, but still think he's over the line, and every time.
Am I hearing things or is this a new commentator? More specifically, the same one from Loras v Rutgers-Camden in 2013
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 04, 2015, 09:32:20 PM
Am I hearing things or is this a new commentator? More specifically, the same one from Loras v Rutgers-Camden in 2013
I figured they would have gotten rid of him after his over ecstatic reaction after the goal haha
Quote from: NCAC New England on December 04, 2015, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: YoullNeverWalkAlone17 on December 04, 2015, 09:10:37 PM
Definitely a tough way to go out for Oneonta. I thought they were the better team of the two but as someone else posted, neither really had more than 1 or 2 solid goal scoring opportunities. @NCAC, Pellegrino does a drop kick (vs. a punt) - he kicks it off the bounce.
Right, misspoke, but still think he's over the line, and every time.
I wasn't trying to correct you I was trying to clarify the issue. He crosses the line every time but the ball isn't in his hands - it's skipping off the ground as he is crossing the line.
I'm a big fan of Calvin's GK urgency with decision making when he collects the ball
Am I mistaken or is this the first time Loras has had a lead at the final 4?
Correct myself - they did go up 2-1 on Camden late in that game in 2013
I think Calvin needs to score in the first 10-15 minutes or Loras will go into their shell and leave one player high - and then it will be over
This game is a bore fest.
Agree this is a very boring game.
Linke(#10) just couldn't finish his chances.
Yup - here it starts ... 2 guys high and everyone else behind the ball. Not enough elite skill on Calvin to break down the defense
And no one ever accused Loras of playing beautiful soccer - just brutally effective
Yea I wasn't trying to take anything away from Loras. They are without a doubt the superior team. If I was a Loras fan this would be a pleasure to watch. I think Loras is the best team between them and Amherst right now.
Loras parking the bus.
They'll frustrate Amherst - should be a pretty chippy game though. May turn into a rugby match
Calvin at least trying to play soccer. Loras long ball after long ball.
Does that surprise you?
I wish Rummelhart would have brought back the mohawk
No I guess I'm not surprised. But this game is testing my patience. Not sure I'll have enough patience left to watch tomorrow. And now all the fouling is just not the type of soccer I like to watch.
Agree - where's Keegan Balle when you need him?
I thought Loras was great tonight. Played a perfect Loras game. How good is Alex Bradley? Jorge Simon had a monster game too. Irwin was all over the field as field. And Higgins and Giacotti at outside backs. Giacotti was on the reserve team! Nice story. Calvin proved again that they can compete, and they hung with Loras athletically and physically as well. Never felt, though, that Calvin was the better team even when they had more possession.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on December 04, 2015, 11:25:22 PM
No I guess I'm not surprised. But this game is testing my patience. Not sure I'll have enough patience left to watch tomorrow. And now all the fouling is just not the type of soccer I like to watch.
I suggest you don't watch if you don't like it, believe me you won't be hurting our feelings.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on December 04, 2015, 11:02:19 PM
Linke(#10) just couldn't finish his chances.
Lenke was the man of the match, he owned the defender time after time.
Late reply to blooter and Mr. R re Bull's performance today (posted on the NESCAC thread):
Bull sets the tone in PKs by stoning Oneonta's first attempt. Then the power move with a monster PK of his own, blasted past O's GK. All-American.
Oh c'mon Kickin - enjoy this. ;) It doesn't happen every year. Plus, Loras is going to make me look like a prophet tomorrow. Go look at my response on Nov 25, 2014 to one of your posts.
My prediction: Loras 1-0 on a late goal by Rummelhart off a rebound from a shot by Lenke. Then you can put all those participation medals in the drawer forever
Quote from: KnightFalcon on December 05, 2015, 12:31:35 AM
Oh c'mon Kickin - enjoy this. ;) It doesn't happen every year. Plus, Loras is going to make me look like a prophet tomorrow. Go look at my response on Nov 25, 2014 to one of your posts.
My prediction: Loras 1-0 on a late goal by Rummelhart off a rebound from a shot by Lenke. Then you can put all those participation medals in the drawer forever
Oh, I'm not angry, just stating the obvious. It's no secret that there are more than a few people that don't like Loras's style regardless of how effective it may be. Last time I checked there weren't judges on the sidelines that awarded style points.
Quote from: KnightFalcon on December 04, 2015, 11:27:03 PM
Agree - where's Keegan Balle when you need him?
good question cause we really don't know where he is.
and congrats to loras and their program for the first championship game in history. (I'm just glad it wasn't against me.) tomorrow will be an elite game of kickball, let's see who is better at it.
2016 Final 4; Loras, Oneonta St, Middlebury, Messiah. Haha
After watching Amherst just sit in a disrupt the middle of the park, I think the Loras high pressure will create more chances than what Oneonta St managed tonight.
The GKs will be punting the ball back and forth for a while in a nice game of monkey in the middle.
Loras 2, Amherst 1 (2 OT) with upset... I say this because Amherst seniors have only lost 3 games in 4 years. THREE.
Wow. Was thoroughly impressed with the resilience of both state and Amherst. Tough way to go out but happened to Amherst in the elite 8 against a Williams team they had beaten twice so possibly some karma (and outstandingly display in the net and on the dot by bull) at play. He came up big when they needed him and is deserving of all the accolades he has gotten this year. Can't wait for tomorrow.
Are coaches allowed to contact conference opponents? Aside from watching Amherst, I'd be on the phone with Wheeler from Wesleyan. Apparently they have the magical formula for beating The Lord Jeffs...
Quote from: KICKIN95 on December 05, 2015, 12:21:18 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on December 04, 2015, 11:02:19 PM
Linke(#10) just couldn't finish his chances.
Lenke was the man of the match, he owned the defender time after time.
If you are going to be a legit forward you have to be able to finish. Lenke duffed his chances tonight. I see he only has 3 goals all season. That stat would be consistent with what I saw tonight...twinkle toes but no finale.
Some funny predictions of tomorrow's final...
"elite game of kickball" -- firstplaceloser
"monkey in the middle" -- lastguyoffthebench
Best of luck to both teams.
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on December 05, 2015, 02:00:12 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on December 05, 2015, 12:21:18 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on December 04, 2015, 11:02:19 PM
Linke(#10) just couldn't finish his chances.
Lenke was the man of the match, he owned the defender time after time.
If you are going to be a legit forward you have to be able to finish. Lenke duffed his chances tonight. I see he only has 3 goals all season. That stat would be consistent with what I saw tonight...twinkle toes but no finale.
https://youtu.be/YhIQAp2A09c
Here's one for you fron the twinkle toes that can't seem to score enough to meet your standards
glad to see loras has a new goalie. what happened to that kid who gave up the goal in 2013. did you guys burn him at the stake?
this is in no way a dig at your duhawks I'm just curious if he's still playing.
The goalkeeper that lost the ball in the wind against Rutgers-Camden was a senior and is now doing very well as a graduate assistant coach. He's a fantastic young man that did so much good for Loras. No one blames him for that fluke play.
Current goalkeeper is new this year after transferring from Valparaiso.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on December 05, 2015, 03:18:59 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on December 05, 2015, 02:00:12 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on December 05, 2015, 12:21:18 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on December 04, 2015, 11:02:19 PM
Linke(#10) just couldn't finish his chances.
Lenke was the man of the match, he owned the defender time after time.
If you are going to be a legit forward you have to be able to finish. Lenke duffed his chances tonight. I see he only has 3 goals all season. That stat would be consistent with what I saw tonight...twinkle toes but no finale.
https://youtu.be/YhIQAp2A09c
Here's one for you fron the twinkle toes that can't seem to score enough to meet your standards
"Quantity has a quality that can't be replicated in any other way."
Do not even respond or get worked up about D3Socccerwatcher....
Also,
Because I am a Williams fan I have a hard time praising Amherst but they deserve it after yesterday. They were out possessed but it did not matter. Oneonta created next to nothing from that possession. I am a purist but I am beginning to wonder about teams over possessing.. Also, I found Amherst yesterday to be exciting to watch as they worked their ASS off. They press like no other team and they all worked hard for 110. They are dangerous up front with NPL, Martin and Singer and NCAC was right Lenhart played a fantastic game along with CIambella. I like Orozco's height but I will still say he absolutely slows them down when they are attacking. They dominated Oneonta in the air and are so dangerous on set pieces. They are not pleasing to the eye but if you look at it from a standpoint of watching a team high press and work and work they were pleasing to me. That being said Loras plays the exact same way and I believe we will have a great Final.
Also, I think Ryan H. analysis of the best conference that took 3 weeks and all kinds of statistical nonsense was proven wrong. Playing teams like Amherst, Midd, Tufts, Williams, Bowdoin, Conn and Wesleyan week in and week out does not compare to the NJAC, NCAC or UAA IMO the last 10 years. Please do not make this a Pro-Nescac thread because that is not my goal but I usually do not get involved in this argument about best conference but I am sorry the Nescac is just a battle every week. Whether you like the style or not is not the question as some teams like Tufts and Williams try to possess but it does not really matter.
All this being said my hunch is Loras defeats Amherst to get a well deserved Championship.
On another not I must congratulate Oneonta. Byrne is a purist and his team play the right way but IMO they need maybe 1 more legit striker and they might have 2 NCAA Championships instead of 3 final 4 exits. It is very commendable for Oneonta to get these recruits. i am not even sure how he does it? Oneonta has great facilities but he must be getting Syracuse's scraps and I am not even sure what else. Who does Oneonta compete with for players in-state?
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 05, 2015, 03:47:15 AM
glad to see loras has a new goalie. what happened to that kid who gave up the goal in 2013. did you guys burn him at the stake?
this is in no way a dig at your duhawks I'm just curious if he's still playing.
He graduated. Dylan was an outstanding keeper that made a mistake. No one was harder on him than he was. How would you like that to be the last play if you career. He made so many huge saves for Loras over the years and is a really good kid.
Quote from: KICKIN95 on December 05, 2015, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 05, 2015, 03:47:15 AM
glad to see loras has a new goalie. what happened to that kid who gave up the goal in 2013. did you guys burn him at the stake?
this is in no way a dig at your duhawks I'm just curious if he's still playing.
He graduated. Dylan was an outstanding keeper that made a mistake. No one was harder on him than he was. How would you like that to be the last play if you career. He made so many huge saves for Loras over the years and is a really good kid.
Not to beat a dead horse but does anyone have a link to that goal? I thought it was on NCAA.com but I couldn't find it
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 05, 2015, 09:47:11 AM
On another not I must congratulate Oneonta. Byrne is a purist and his team play the right way but IMO they need maybe 1 more legit striker and they might have 2 NCAA Championships instead of 3 final 4 exits. It is very commendable for Oneonta to get these recruits. i am not even sure how he does it? Oneonta has great facilities but he must be getting Syracuse's scraps and I am not even sure what else. Who does Oneonta compete with for players in-state?
I think they really missed #7 last night in the middle of the park. I think #9 played well filling in from his CF position, but he could have been the missing piece for them up top.
In regards to recruiting I think tuition plays a huge part. Amherst website shows tuition to be $63k a year vs Oneonta's $18k for an instate New Yorker.
Quote from: YoullNeverWalkAlone17 on December 05, 2015, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 05, 2015, 09:47:11 AM
On another not I must congratulate Oneonta. Byrne is a purist and his team play the right way but IMO they need maybe 1 more legit striker and they might have 2 NCAA Championships instead of 3 final 4 exits. It is very commendable for Oneonta to get these recruits. i am not even sure how he does it? Oneonta has great facilities but he must be getting Syracuse's scraps and I am not even sure what else. Who does Oneonta compete with for players in-state?
I think they really missed #7 last night in the middle of the park. I think #9 played well filling in from his CF position, but he could have been the missing piece for them up top.
In regards to recruiting I think tuition plays a huge part. Amherst website shows tuition to be $63k a year vs Oneonta's $18k for an instate New Yorker.
Ya I get the tuition aspect and all that but aren't most SUNY schools the same? I guess I am wondering who are the 2-3 schools Oneonta competes with for players as Upstate NY has some good soccer players but they are more know for lax except outside of Rochester
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 05, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on December 05, 2015, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 05, 2015, 03:47:15 AM
glad to see loras has a new goalie. what happened to that kid who gave up the goal in 2013. did you guys burn him at the stake?
this is in no way a dig at your duhawks I'm just curious if he's still playing.
He graduated. Dylan was an outstanding keeper that made a mistake. No one was harder on him than he was. How would you like that to be the last play if you career. He made so many huge saves for Loras over the years and is a really good kid.
Not to beat a dead horse but does anyone have a link to that goal? I thought it was on NCAA.com but I couldn't find it
it's all over YouTube. type in anything with ruc 65 yard goal. haven't watched it in quite some time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rgSuNaIS1s
this one says 75 but that's pushing it a bit
he also got 2nd place in an award competition from ESPN. they flew him out to California
Thanks for the link...What were people saying again happened on that. Was there that much wind? I mean the GK must have thought that was going over the net or going to drop at the the 12? Even still he should have been on his line
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 05, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
Thanks for the link...What were people saying again happened on that. Was there that much wind? I mean the GK must have thought that was going over the net or going to drop at the the 12? Even still he should have been on his line
imagine going to Amherst in an elite 8 game with 20 degree weather and 30mph winds. and I really don't know what happened. he must have really misread the flight. and the kid who kicked it had a broken foot. he has ankle reconstructive surgery once we got back home. out for months
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 05, 2015, 10:40:48 AM
Quote from: YoullNeverWalkAlone17 on December 05, 2015, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 05, 2015, 09:47:11 AM
On another not I must congratulate Oneonta. Byrne is a purist and his team play the right way but IMO they need maybe 1 more legit striker and they might have 2 NCAA Championships instead of 3 final 4 exits. It is very commendable for Oneonta to get these recruits. i am not even sure how he does it? Oneonta has great facilities but he must be getting Syracuse's scraps and I am not even sure what else. Who does Oneonta compete with for players in-state?
I think they really missed #7 last night in the middle of the park. I think #9 played well filling in from his CF position, but he could have been the missing piece for them up top.
In regards to recruiting I think tuition plays a huge part. Amherst website shows tuition to be $63k a year vs Oneonta's $18k for an instate New Yorker.
Ya I get the tuition aspect and all that but aren't most SUNY schools the same? I guess I am wondering who are the 2-3 schools Oneonta competes with for players as Upstate NY has some good soccer players but they are more know for lax except outside of Rochester
Oneonta also had D1 facilities. plus with tuition costs I would say Oneonta is the better choice
Yeah - VERY strong wind that night ... The kick was way up in the air, got into the jet stream and the keeper came out and realized too late how far it was carrying, turned and watched it go in. But yes, very windy night in San Antonio
He (Balle) would have won the award if he scored from 60 yds against Messiah a minute into the game but it was tipped over the bar...
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 05, 2015, 01:05:43 PM
He (Balle) would have won the award if he scored from 60 yds against Messiah a minute into the game but it was tipped over the bar...
I almost forgot about that. I remember thinking there was no possible way it could happen again
Some things I think I think as we close shop on the 2015 season tonight....
It's been a good year for D3 soccer and for this site.
I continue to be amazed about how passionately many of us feel about our teams, the games, and the tournament. I often ask myself how I can be so interested in D3 soccer, especially when, by contrast, I have almost zero interest in the D1 season and tournament (although if I happen to remember I will watch the D1 semis and final). Our various allegiances occasionally result in some tension or even a little bad blood, but overall this year I think "we" as a group have handled ourselves pretty well. Kudos in particular to Mr.Right who consistently has remained entertaining and sometimes informative, and who has stayed on the rails in a mostly positive fashion through a whole season and even with his team having an off year. He's been gracious and positive for the most part with Amherst all along, and I know first-hand that doing so is not easy especially when talking about an intense and often bitter rival. While I sort of get it, I admit I don't fully understand the "NESCAC as one family" stuff. Yes, I like "my" conference doing well and getting positive attention but mostly only because I think that results at least indirectly in some kind of affiliation-boost for my team. I for instance respect the heck out of OWU, it's program, and it's record of both historical and recent success, but if I'm honest you won't find me actually cheering for OWU, and I suspect the same is mostly true when the shoe is on the other foot. I'm certainly not going to cheer for OWU on the basis of some default like "they are a NCAC school." Not sure how one turns an about-face and manages to genuinely pull for a bitter rival.
As a sidelight to that last topic, I'll reiterate again that I always look forward to and enjoy RH's work. His analyses of these last few games have been excellent, and, again, his coach interviews in my view have been truly superb. I don't know how many here fully appreciate how much time it takes to put all of those pieces together. The coach interviews are so well done that I believe they should be submitted for some kind of college sports journalism award. I'm serious about that. That said, I'll readily admit that my ears are perked up in partisan mode anytime I read something by a partisan of an opposing team, and over the last two years especially that's been tough as OWU and Kenyon played multiple very high stakes games. And of course there was a similar dynamic this year for the Tufts-Kenyon game, given my participation here and running into the very energetic Tufts supporters. In these kinds of situations, there is always going to be a little grating on nerves as passionate fans on opposite sides basically by definition are going to have a different -- sometimes very viscerally different -- take on a play, or a call, or a player, or the end result of a game. I guess this stuff adds to the fun or at least to some of the anticipation, but in any event the occasional blips or twinges of over-sensitivity and/or overzealous devotion perhaps are understandable. blooter442 is a shining light in this regard on the site, as he always manages to stay very neutral maybe even when he isn't that neutral, and maybe he's aided a touch by Brandeis not having a bitter, "rip your heart out" rival in exactly the same way. The same might be true of some of the Messiah faithful. I know the Falcons have some rivals like an E'town, but at least in recent years there hasn't been a rival of the "rip your heart out" variety. I should also mention LGOTB who also always does a great job.
I will be happy for either team that wins tonight, even if I would be a bit happier about a Loras victory. For either, the winning program will have reached a major milestone. For my money, over the last 5-7 or so years, these are the two teams yet to win a title who are most deserving. Yes, you could argue the same for Oneonta and Calvin, but for year-in and year-out consistent excellence over the past half-decade Loras and Amherst are tough to beat. If I was a Loras fan I would be annoyed (well, actually I am annoyed and I'm not a true Loras fan) by shots about playing style or any attempts to downgrade what Loras has accomplished. It isn't always a school's best team that ends up being the one to win a title, and I'm guessing Amherst 2012/2013 was as good or better than this year's edition and I'm confident that Loras has had marginally stronger squads. But that's all relative. This year's editions of these schools are very, very good, and some of the individual players are much, much better than credited as skilled, soccer players.
Best of luck to all of the combatants tonight.
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 05, 2015, 09:47:11 AM
Also,
Because I am a Williams fan I have a hard time praising Amherst but they deserve it after yesterday. They were out possessed but it did not matter. Oneonta created next to nothing from that possession. I am a purist but I am beginning to wonder about teams over possessing.. Also, I found Amherst yesterday to be exciting to watch as they worked their ASS off. They press like no other team and they all worked hard for 110. They are dangerous up front with NPL, Martin and Singer and NCAC was right Lenhart played a fantastic game along with CIambella. I like Orozco's height but I will still say he absolutely slows them down when they are attacking. They dominated Oneonta in the air and are so dangerous on set pieces. They are not pleasing to the eye but if you look at it from a standpoint of watching a team high press and work and work they were pleasing to me. That being said Loras plays the exact same way and I believe we will have a great Final.
Also, I think Ryan H. analysis of the best conference that took 3 weeks and all kinds of statistical nonsense was proven wrong. Playing teams like Amherst, Midd, Tufts, Williams, Bowdoin, Conn and Wesleyan week in and week out does not compare to the NJAC, NCAC or UAA IMO the last 10 years. Please do not make this a Pro-Nescac thread because that is not my goal but I usually do not get involved in this argument about best conference but I am sorry the Nescac is just a battle every week. Whether you like the style or not is not the question as some teams like Tufts and Williams try to possess but it does not really matter.
All this being said my hunch is Loras defeats Amherst to get a well deserved Championship.
On another not I must congratulate Oneonta. Byrne is a purist and his team play the right way but IMO they need maybe 1 more legit striker and they might have 2 NCAA Championships instead of 3 final 4 exits. It is very commendable for Oneonta to get these recruits. i am not even sure how he does it? Oneonta has great facilities but he must be getting Syracuse's scraps and I am not even sure what else. Who does Oneonta compete with for players in-state?
Looking at their roster - 50%+ from Long Island. When I graduated from HS in 1975 - Long Island -Oneonta, Hartwick, Brockport and to a lesser degree Oswego - were visiting and recruiting on a regular basis. Lots of Suffolk County kids - probably a dozen players from Brentwood to Sayville - maybe 20 miles from town to town?
Oneonta renewed my faith that college play can include possession. But you can't make one mistake on defense (Calvin) nor can you miss a golden opportunity from 6 yards away (Oneonta) .
Singer almost scores on a bicycle kick less than 3 minutes in. This could be a heck of a game. Probably won't, but could be.
I'm relying on this thread for updates not the live stats
Amherst players seriously calling for offside?
Rummelhart with re-direction!
Loras goes up 1-0 on the Duhawks first attack of the game! Wow! 8:23 in. Rummelhard redirected a muffed shot past Bull. Looks like he was onsides from the replay. I actually missed it because I was checking on my pizza in the oven...d'oops...but I saw the replay right after, so can't complain. Who would have guessed that Loras would score first, and that early? Not me for sure.
Good quality finish off the corner for Amherst.
Terrible, absolutely terrible positioning on the post for Loras.
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on December 05, 2015, 06:50:56 PM
Good quality finish off the corner for Amherst.
Terrible, absolutely terrible positioning on the post for Loras.
Seriously. What's the point of standing on the post if you're just going to leave a gap anyways?
Good finish by Lenhart. Can't go to sleep on set pieces against Amherst.
are teams playing soccer or direct
Direct, but definitely a lot more wide open than most would have predicted. Both teams have had good chances in addition to the goals.
Both teams are playing extremely direct, Amherst is playing better soccer out of it. Lots of overlapping runs from the wingers that are confusing the Duhawk's man marking system. With that said, Loras is getting good opportunities off of counters and big balls.
Loras has saved two off the line and they are getting the majority of the calls.
Peterson with a HUUUGGEEE save while laying on the ground. Amherst missed a sitter.
The only way to beat Amherst is not to give up fouls. Loras will lose if they keep giving up fouls. Only a matter of time before the Lord Jeffs get one.
This is some entertaining footy
Agree with Swan, BUT, how do you not give up fouls against Amherst???!!! Catch-22. You have to play physical try to match them and not let Amherst steamroll you. Amazingly few fouls called in Amherst. I think refs get tired of calling them on Amherst and Lord Jeffs have little to lose when they give away free kicks because they are so big. And any free kick inside of 85 yards for Amherst is like a good final 3rd free kick for any other team. Amherst is just too damn big! And Loras is not small by any means but those double and triple header flicks in the box for Amherst are too much to handle. What position is Lehnhart playing??? He takes every throw from both sides. He's everywhere. MVP for me if Amherst wins. Simon and Irwin for Loras will have to have flawless 2nd half. Bradley will need a moment of magic.
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on December 05, 2015, 07:27:53 PM
This is some entertaining footy
Agree. VERY entertaining game. Hopefully posters will limit the silly complaints about style.
Whoa - huge save for Amherst!!
What a beautiful finish from Amherst!
Wow - Loras was starting to get some momentum before that goal
How well does Loras play from behind?
Loras is not out of this
Agree - they are never out and that last save kept them in it
Wonder if Rothert sticks with his sub pattern or shortens the bench. Rummelhart and Lenke are very dangerous
I think Rummelhart and Lenke will be in real soon.
I don't think this ref likes Pascual too much
Maybe I should be asking how well Amherst plays with a lead
Looks like Rothert is subbing as usual - he did that 2 years ago against Camden when they were down then brought a whole crew of starters back in with 15 to play and they blew Camden's doors off with 2 quick goals
Quote from: KnightFalcon on December 05, 2015, 08:06:59 PM
Maybe I should be asking how well Amherst plays with a lead
Very well. But if there's any team that could give them trouble, it's Loras.
Quote from: KnightFalcon on December 05, 2015, 08:06:59 PM
Maybe I should be asking how well Amherst plays with a lead
Looks like Rothert is subbing as usual - he did that 2 years ago against Camden when they were down then brought a whole crew of starters back in with 15 to play and they blew Camden's doors off with 2 quick goals
I remember when they did that we all looked at each other and said sh*t
Bradley misses a good chance....
Going to be a frantic finish
Safe to say when an unbeaten NESCAC first seed loses to the 8th seed in the conference tournament then they will win the NCAAs? If it happens against next year then I think so. Best conference in the country.
Amherst can thank Wesleyan for that two week break.
Congrats to Amherst. Shame Trinity (TX) had to face them in the quarters, but that's life.
Quote from: letsGOswans! on December 05, 2015, 08:33:12 PM
Safe to say when an unbeaten NESCAC first seed loses to the 8th seed in the conference tournament then they will win the NCAAs? If it happens against next year then I think so. Best conference in the country.
Great. We all get to hear how great the NESCAC is for another few months, as if we already didn't know! I'd still like to see them sack up and have NESCAC - NJAC or NESCAC - CENTENNIAL CHALLENGE.
Wesleyan with big wins over Amherst and a Haverford team that wasn't clicking yet...
Middlebury robbed of a chance at the title...
Congrats to Amherst. Genuinely happy for their program and their alumni, even though I feel bad for Loras Nation. Great game, worthy of a final. Amherst one of the few teams where Loras could not ultimately impose their will, even though they tried like heck. Loras played really, really hard....wish they could have played a little smarter and not given up so many throws inside 40-35 yards. I'm gonna guess Amherst had 25-30 of those throws. On the goal, even though ref moved them back 10 yards, I thought that throw should have come from just over the Amherst halfway line. For a semi-neutral the game would have been even more compelling if Rummelhart had finished his great chance which would have put the Duhawks up 2-1. I thought Simon was fantastic for Loras and the back line played well. All that said, Amherst just had a little too much size and overall quality. Very deserving champions. Amherst won this one for Amherst. I don't think they will care one bit that they play in the NESCAC. I stick by Lehnhart for MVP. Not sure if this is true or not but seemed like Serpone brought NPL a little deeper into the midfield which gave him more run on the ball than usual. Serpone also subbed brilliantly I thought just to keep that advantage for Loras at a minimum.
Thought it was a tough battle between 2 great teams. Amherst definitely won the battle in the air the 1st half. 2nd half Loras decided to get more aggressive and evened out that aspect. Loras keeper came up huge on several occasions and both keepers controlled their boxes in the air. Bull came up with a huge save to keep the tying goal out. Amherst 2nd goal was a nice placement shot. Loras defense had a rare miscommunication that allowed him to walk right into the 18 and get off an uncontested shot. I think the ref did a good job of not being a factor on the field, he allowed both teams to play hard and was fair to both sides. He sid let quite a few calls go that he awarded advantage to that weren't an advantage, but that's just soccer. Loras threw everything they had at Amherst the last 20 minutes and Amherst kept the door shut. A few chances at the end I thought were sure to go in, but went high or wide. Congrats to Amherst on their 1st Chmapionship and I am obviously very proud of my Duhawks for their heart and effort.
Quote from: Flying Weasel on November 24, 2015, 12:00:51 PM
blooter442 wins if Amherst is champs
Yay, I won the bracket!
But seriously, congrats to Amherst. They were the best team in the country in my mind before the tournament, and so they proved. Was impressed with Loras, though, they gave the Lord Jeffs a real run for their money. What a great final.
Quote from: letsGOswans! on December 05, 2015, 08:33:12 PM
Safe to say when an unbeaten NESCAC first seed loses to the 8th seed in the conference tournament then they will win the NCAAs? If it happens against next year then I think so. Best conference in the country.
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Quote from: Saint of Old on December 04, 2015, 08:52:35 PM
Hats off to Amherst!!!
Good luck boyz.
Great season Oneonta.
Say what you want about Amherst, bottom line is RESPECT them because they win.
One more win for them and they are Kings of the D3 soccer world.
All Hail the Kings of Mens Soccer:
AMHERST
Congrats to the alums of this great program who deserve as much credit for this championship as the current players.
Champions for life!
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 25, 2015, 08:10:26 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 24, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
The number of championship stars on your crest matters...a lot! Precisely because it is so very hard to do. I contend that there isn't one player on any of these final 4 teams that agrees that it's great to just make a deep run. They all want to win the championship...period.
Loras might look at their season if they don't win it all or even if they make it to their first ever championship final and say "Wow! We had a successful season!" But if they do say that, that's why they probably won't win it the next time around. A true champion program just wouldn't say that. If they don't win it all, it's not success. Just ask the players and alumni from the greatest program(s)...they will tell you.
Also kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around the notion that Loras is the absolute definitive #2 program in the past decade. Yes they made five Final 4's and lost every one of those games...never making it to the top 2 (Championship Final) in the 40 year history of the NCAA D3 national tournament. If winning a Final 4 game were as "random" as some have suggested...the odds of losing five Final 4 games in a row is 3.1%. And statisticians understand that at odds that low it likely isn't random anymore (at p=.05), and its possible there is something else at play that starts to take the "randomness" out of the equation (maybe easy sectional play, psychological, better competition, system of play that can't win at the higher levels, it could be any number of things). Or maybe it is random chance. But with every Final 4 loss in a row, it is more and more statistically likely that there is something other then "randomness" at play.
If given the choice, I think Loras would trade all of those Final 4's for one Championship...and likely do it unblinkingly.
Maybe this will be the year they finally get to the Final and ultimately hoist the Championship trophy...maybe.
As a point of comparison, there's a D3 Field Hockey program who has been to the NCAA Championship Final 7 times...and lost 7 times. As absolutely brutal as it seems (and it is brutal and unfair), no one really cares.
Championships matter.
I'm curious about the negative karma and the who and why, or maybe that's obvious at this point.
I should not fall for getting engaged in these instances of flawed logic, statistical or otherwise, and other cases of blatant and unapologetic bias.
I never said championships don't matter or that players/coaches aren't devastated when they don't win one or that they wouldn't give up a couple of Final Four appearances for a title. Those weren't the issues I was addressing. The issue was about overall program performance over a stretch of time.
Again, if they got to the Final Four and got blown out every time then maybe you could attribute outcomes to one of those other reasons you suggested. As for statistics, what are the odds of ANY team getting to a Final Four? Of winning a title? What are the statistical odds of a team getting to the Final Four 5 times in 8 years? See how frame of reference impacts the deductions made from "statistics"? In my personal poll I vote Loras #2. You can put them and anyone else wherever you like. Maybe this construction will be more acceptable -- No program other than Messiah has gone to FIVE Final Fours in the last 8-10 years. Oneonta with 3 in 5 years is knocking on the door. That's impressive as well, and geez, they even have to go through the East Coast to get there.
The negative karma is coming from Shooter FYI...The minute he signs on we all get it...Whatever let him play his silly games
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 08, 2015, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: NCAC New England on November 25, 2015, 08:10:26 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 24, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
The number of championship stars on your crest matters...a lot! Precisely because it is so very hard to do. I contend that there isn't one player on any of these final 4 teams that agrees that it's great to just make a deep run. They all want to win the championship...period.
Loras might look at their season if they don't win it all or even if they make it to their first ever championship final and say "Wow! We had a successful season!" But if they do say that, that's why they probably won't win it the next time around. A true champion program just wouldn't say that. If they don't win it all, it's not success. Just ask the players and alumni from the greatest program(s)...they will tell you.
Also kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around the notion that Loras is the absolute definitive #2 program in the past decade. Yes they made five Final 4's and lost every one of those games...never making it to the top 2 (Championship Final) in the 40 year history of the NCAA D3 national tournament. If winning a Final 4 game were as "random" as some have suggested...the odds of losing five Final 4 games in a row is 3.1%. And statisticians understand that at odds that low it likely isn't random anymore (at p=.05), and its possible there is something else at play that starts to take the "randomness" out of the equation (maybe easy sectional play, psychological, better competition, system of play that can't win at the higher levels, it could be any number of things). Or maybe it is random chance. But with every Final 4 loss in a row, it is more and more statistically likely that there is something other then "randomness" at play.
If given the choice, I think Loras would trade all of those Final 4's for one Championship...and likely do it unblinkingly.
Maybe this will be the year they finally get to the Final and ultimately hoist the Championship trophy...maybe.
As a point of comparison, there's a D3 Field Hockey program who has been to the NCAA Championship Final 7 times...and lost 7 times. As absolutely brutal as it seems (and it is brutal and unfair), no one really cares.
Championships matter.
I'm curious about the negative karma and the who and why, or maybe that's obvious at this point.
I should not fall for getting engaged in these instances of flawed logic, statistical or otherwise, and other cases of blatant and unapologetic bias.
I never said championships don't matter or that players/coaches aren't devastated when they don't win one or that they wouldn't give up a couple of Final Four appearances for a title. Those weren't the issues I was addressing. The issue was about overall program performance over a stretch of time.
Again, if they got to the Final Four and got blown out every time then maybe you could attribute outcomes to one of those other reasons you suggested. As for statistics, what are the odds of ANY team getting to a Final Four? Of winning a title? What are the statistical odds of a team getting to the Final Four 5 times in 8 years? See how frame of reference impacts the deductions made from "statistics"? In my personal poll I vote Loras #2. You can put them and anyone else wherever you like. Maybe this construction will be more acceptable -- No program other than Messiah has gone to FIVE Final Fours in the last 8-10 years. Oneonta with 3 in 5 years is knocking on the door. That's impressive as well, and geez, they even have to go through the East Coast to get there.
The negative karma is coming from Shooter FYI...The minute he signs on we all get it...Whatever let him play his silly games
Merry Christmas to you and yours. I am guessing you will be the Grinch again this year?
I have not given any karma to anyone since before the national title game actually. But thanks for pointing the finger.
But I am guessing that is why I am getting random negative karma as well every time I log in to check if people are posting...except it's most likely from you. So childish. But hey if it makes you sleep better at night then so be it.
I had to wait a few days to come down from my fan high before posting.
So happy for Amherst.
Random thoughts:
In Brandeis vs. Trinity, Viera played with a giant's heart. Surprised that the marquee names were so quiet that day. Trinity's #25 ran the show.
Trinity were good.
Suny Oneonta were even better: clever and composed passing like Trinity but also electric athleticism.
That said, I believe Amherst deserved to advance even though it could have gone either way.
Loras was a formidable opponent (especially dangerous on the quick counter) but was more similar to Amherst than Trinity or Oneonta, so the match-up played more into Amherst's strengths.
Again, Amherst deserved the win. Glad to see the Purple and White grab the prize without relying on some weird fluke or bad call. Pure guts ball for the last 15 mins, especially the last 5.
I didn't see Calvin play, so I can't comment.
Serpone and staff challenged their players by remaining flexible and fluid in changing formations and degrees of pressure to counter opposing forces. From changing restraining lines to allowing opponents time in the channels to yo-yoing the gap by alternately dropping the sole striker (when in use) into the pocket and then pushing him high. Lots of adjustments that proved effective. I was impressed.
As you know, I'm a big Bull fan. For sure an AA. (Same for NPL, of course.) Bull proved his mettle time and time again through his four years (should have been on that list earlier, IMO). The Final Four was no exception. Shut down two breakaways (one in each match, including one in OT against Oneonta). HUGE! Stoned the first PK in the semi to set a resounding tone. Broke the back of the net with one of his own to punctuate the moment. He's legit. Had a fantastic supporting cast with backs that allowed only one goal for the entire tourney and with Ciambella peaking in the right moment to add to an already dynamic attack.
Congrats to all for giving their all. See you next year!
so I'm guessing there will be no D3soccer All American awards?
Quote from: firstplaceloser on January 05, 2016, 09:07:09 PM
so I'm guessing there will be no D3soccer All American awards?
I was just wondering the same thing!
I'm sure they will be released by Sunday the 10th. Over the last 5 seasons, we've seen the AA and POYs published as late as 1/7....
2014: 1/6
2013: 12/23
2012: 12/16
2011: 12/21
2010: 1/7
My picks still remain the same:
Coach of Year: Ryan Souders (Calvin), Serpone (Amherst), Rineer (Haverford)
Forward of Year: Sam Yarosh (Haverford), Tony Amolo (Kenyon), NPL (Amherst), Mike Ryan (Rutgers-Camden)
Midfielder of Year: Logan Andryk (MSOE), Austin Juniet (TMC), Dylan Williams (Oneonta St), Will Corkery (Haverford), Jeremiah Barnes (Kenyon), Damian Bziukiewicz (MSU), Josh Ocel (Brandeis), Sean Bingham (MIT), Marshall Hollingsworth (Wheaton),
Defender of the Year: Tom Carwile (Trinity), Harry Copeland (SLU), Conor Lanaghan (Brandeis)
GK of the Year: Thomas Bull (Amherst), Niko Giantsopoulos (Calvin), Sam Clougher (Kenyon)
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on January 07, 2016, 03:56:06 PM
I'm sure they will be released by Sunday the 10th. Over the last 5 seasons, we've seen the AA and POYs published as late as 1/7....
2014: 1/6
2013: 12/23
2012: 12/16
2011: 12/21
2010: 1/7
My picks still remain the same:
Coach of Year: Ryan Souders (Calvin), Serpone (Amherst), Rineer (Haverford)
Forward of Year: Sam Yarosh (Haverford), Tony Amolo (Kenyon), NPL (Amherst), Mike Ryan (Rutgers-Camden)
Midfielder of Year: Logan Andryk (MSOE), Austin Juniet (TMC), Dylan Williams (Oneonta St), Will Corkery (Haverford), Jeremiah Barnes (Kenyon), Damian Bziukiewicz (MSU), Josh Ocel (Brandeis), Sean Bingham (MIT), Marshall Hollingsworth (Wheaton),
Defender of the Year: Tom Carwile (Trinity), Harry Copeland (SLU), Conor Lanaghan (Brandeis)
GK of the Year: Thomas Bull (Amherst), Niko Giantsopoulos (Calvin), Sam Clougher (Kenyon)
Coach of Year: Serpone (Amherst)
Forward of Year: Sam Yarosh (Haverford), NPL (Amherst), Mike Ryan (Rutgers-Camden)
Midfielder of Year: Logan Andryk (MSOE), Austin Juniet (TMC), Dylan Williams (Oneonta St), Will Corkery (Haverford), Jason Kayne (Tufts), Marshall Hollingsworth (Wheaton),
Defender of the Year: Conor Lanaghan (Brandeis)
GK of the Year: Thomas Bull (Amherst), Niko Giantsopoulos (Calvin)
My nominations and picks(borrowed some nominations from above and added/subtracted some in and out as well):
Coach of Year: Serpone (Amherst), Ryan Souders (Calvin), Rineer (Haverford), Gibboney (Lycoming), Rothert (Loras), Shapiro (Tufts), Anderson (St. Olaf), Byrne (Oneonta)
Forward of Year: Sam Yarosh (Haverford), Tony Amolo (Kenyon), NPL (Amherst), Mike Ryan (Rutgers-Camden)
Midfielder of Year: Logan Andryk (MSOE), Marshall Hollingsworth (Wheaton) Austin Juniet (TMC), Dylan Williams (Oneonta St), Will Corkery (Haverford), Jeremiah Barnes (Kenyon), Damian Bziukiewicz (MSU), Josh Ocel (Brandeis), Sean Bingham (MIT)
Defender of the Year: Tom Carwile (Trinity), Harry Copeland (SLU), Conor Lanaghan (Brandeis), Kyle Thomas (Lycoming)
GK of the Year: Thomas Bull (Amherst), Niko Giantsopoulos (Calvin), Sam Clougher (Kenyon), Rodrigo Barrera (Etown)
Coach of Year: Serpone (Amherst)
Forward of Year: NPL (Amherst)
Midfielder of Year: Will Corkery (Haverford)
Defender of the Year: Conor Lanahan (Brandeis)
GK of the Year: Thomas Bull (Amherst)
Serpone and NPL would be deserved picks IMHO, as would Bull. Bull and NPL were Amherst's two most important players in my opinion, and Serpone was the mastermind behind it all. Only saw Corkery a bit but he really impressed me, and you can't argue with 9 goals and 13 assists, game winners against Johns Hopkins and Dickinson in the Centennial tourney, and scoring against W&L and assisting against SLU. Lanahan wasn't as dominant as last year, but still headed up Brandeis' defensive unit very well with a new 'keeper behind him and a new freshman right back and was the standout CB from my observation.
Also, the fact that Bingham is listed as a midfielder on MIT's roster is very misleading — he is a center forward, make no mistake about it.
Interested in the logic of Lanahan over Carwile...
Lanahan: 22GP 21GS; 2G 1A on 19 shots (9 SOG); .105 Shot % / .474 SOG; 1 GWG ---------------- 12 shutouts / .61 GAA
Carwile: 24GP 24GS; 9G 1A on 36 shots (18 SOG); .250 Shot % / .500 SOG; 7 GWG (4/5 PKs) ---- 18 shutouts / .35 GAA
Trinity played Brandeis twice and won 2-0; 2-0.... so you can't really use the SOS as an excuse. Trinity was the better team.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on January 08, 2016, 03:12:28 PM
Interested in the logic of Lanahan over Carwile...
Lanahan: 22GP 21GS; 2G 1A on 19 shots (9 SOG); .105 Shot % / .474 SOG; 1 GWG ---------------- 12 shutouts / .61 GAA
Carwile: 24GP 24GS; 9G 1A on 36 shots (18 SOG); .250 Shot % / .500 SOG; 7 GWG (4/5 PKs) ---- 18 shutouts / .35 GAA
Trinity played Brandeis twice and won 2-0; 2-0.... so you can't really use the SOS as an excuse. Trinity was the better team.
Well, most of us New Englanders likely saw Lanahan much more often than Carwile (aside from the two Brandeis games), hence the tendency to pick him. Regardless, Carwile has a strong case.
I like that Shooter added a couple other Mid-Atlantic players and other deserving nation wide players/coaches. maybe they won't get the nod but they deserved to be on the short list. Kyle Thomas from Lycoming is a good candidate. 6'6" Sophomore 2nd Team All-American and Defensive POY in the MACC that anchored the stingy defense for Lycoming which had 13 shutouts and a national 10th best .057 GAA (from their website) along with a 20 game unbeaten streak. For only a Sophomore those are great stats! I don't think he will get the AA nod from D3 but should be heavily considered.
Another addition I like is that of the Oneonta, Loras, Lycoming, and Tufts coaches to the Coach of the Year list. I agree with the trend that Serpone should get it for his work done this year, but those other coaches all had a heck of a season. They all deserve recognition and deserve to be on the short list in my opinion.
The Etown goalie Rodrigo is a nice addition and he had a great season but I don't think many people know abut him because of Etown missing out on NCAAs. If they would have got in and made some noise he might have picked up some good recognition as he was a big part of their success this season. I believe Thomas Bull is a no brainer pick for GK of the Year.
The others are all toss-ups as all those players are deserving and there are enough choices for the short list. Lots of quality in D3 over the past couple of years! It's great to see the competitiveness and quality continue to rise.
Quote from: blooter442 on January 08, 2016, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on January 08, 2016, 03:12:28 PM
Interested in the logic of Lanahan over Carwile...
Lanahan: 22GP 21GS; 2G 1A on 19 shots (9 SOG); .105 Shot % / .474 SOG; 1 GWG ---------------- 12 shutouts / .61 GAA
Carwile: 24GP 24GS; 9G 1A on 36 shots (18 SOG); .250 Shot % / .500 SOG; 7 GWG (4/5 PKs) ---- 18 shutouts / .35 GAA
Trinity played Brandeis twice and won 2-0; 2-0.... so you can't really use the SOS as an excuse. Trinity was the better team.
Well, most of us New Englanders likely saw Lanahan much more often than Carwile (aside from the two Brandeis games), hence the tendency to pick him. Regardless, Carwile has a strong case.
Carwile was definitely the better player when the two teams played at Amherst. Ironically, though, the best defender (and arguably the best player) on the field that day was the freshman defender from England who played for Trinity, Lawrence Wyke.
You know, one defender I don't think gets enough recognition perhaps due to having Bull behind him is Bean of Amherst. Solid in the tackle, commanding, and really the organizer of that whole defensive unit. I think he would be fine even without a GK of Bull's class behind him, but will be curious to see how that will play out next year.
Getting re-certified for reffing... Heard that a 2015 NCAA Tournament participant east of the Mississippi River will be ineligible for 2016 NCAA Tournament...
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on February 18, 2016, 09:33:24 AM
Getting re-certified for reffing... Heard that a 2015 NCAA Tournament participant east of the Mississippi River will be ineligible for 2016 NCAA Tournament...
the suspense is killing me 😳😳😳
I can't throw the school's name out there just in case it is not true, but maybe a supporter of the school has some info... I'm also guessing there is an appeal in the works? Never heard of a d3 school suspended from post season play...
i believe Kean was suspended from post-season play a few years back by the NCAA for several violations including "scholarships" for athletes. Most of the violations had to do with women's basketball but other sports took a hit too...hopefully it is not them again and they learned their lesson.
Quote from: Gol2Gol on February 18, 2016, 12:09:06 PM
i believe Kean was suspended from post-season play a few years back by the NCAA for several violations including "scholarships" for athletes. Most of the violations had to do with women's basketball but other sports took a hit too...hopefully it is not them again and they learned their lesson.
You're correct with Kean being suspended, I am not sure of the reason though. We played them in 2011 and the result did not count towards the regional rankings.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-04-19/ncaa-places-kean-probation
Self imposed by the institution...
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on February 18, 2016, 09:33:24 AM
Getting re-certified for reffing... Heard that a 2015 NCAA Tournament participant east of the Mississippi River will be ineligible for 2016 NCAA Tournament...
Understandable for not mentioning the institution at this time (although I am curious too!), but do you know what they would possibly be getting suspended for? What was the infraction (according to the rumor)?
Kean is one example. There are others.
Baldwin-Wallace had financial aide infractions for athletes from 2009/10 thru 2012/13 that resulted in a self-imposed post-season ban for all sports programs in 2012/13 and they are currently on probation. (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/baldwin-wallace-lacked-institutional-control )
Neumann was placed on probation a few years back for financial aid violations from 2007/08 thru 2010/11 (athletes, and specifically hockey players, getting virtually 100% of aid targeting Canadian international students) and had a post-season ban imposed for any teams that included recipients of the financial aide. (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/neumann-university-cited-financial-aid-violations) Similar thing at Utica in 2010/11 to 2011/12 with financial aide targeting Canadian students going primarily to athletes, with a post-season ban for any teams with recipients (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/utica-college-failed-monitor-financial-aid-program). In 2009/10, Manhattanville was found to have given significantly more financial aide on average to its international student-athletes than its international non-athletes, particularly in ice hockey, and was put on probation (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/manhattanville-college-failed-monitor-financial-aid).
Denison and UW-Superior had financial aid violations from 2008/09 thru 2012/13 that has them currently on probation, but no post-season ban was involved I don't think. (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/denison-did-not-monitor-financial-aid-process, http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/wisconsin-superior-failed-monitor-scholarship-program)
UW-River Falls football (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/wisconsin-river-falls-failed-monitor-scholarship) and Maine Maritime football (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/maine-maritime-failed-monitor-financial-aid-program) had financial aide infractions a few years ago that resulted in probation but no post-season ban as far as I can tell.
Financial aide infractions are certainly the most typical, but there's also recruiting violations. Staten Island's men's swim coach was found guilty of this and the program was hit with a 2-year post-season ban (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/college-staten-island-lacked-institutional-control-0). Coaches of the Illinois College football, men's and women's swimming and men's golf programs violated rules regarding when they could text message recruits, and it resulted in probation and self-imposed recruiting limitations but no post-season bans (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/illinois-college-failed-monitor-its-athletics-program).
The other possibility is ineligible players participating in practices or competitions. Caltech ran afoul of this during the 2010/11 and preceding years and was put on probation for three years and self-imposed a post-season ban in 2012/13 for all programs that had used ineligible players and self-imposed recruiting limitations for 2012/13 as well. (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/press-releases/california-institute-technology-cited-lack-institutional)
Great info FW! I would have guessed either a recruiting violation or financial aid being the most common for violations so that proves my theory before even asking! But that would also be harsh for a post season ban if a school committed a minor recruiting infraction. I guess it all depends on the severity of the infraction and if it was purposefully done.
If only Neumann Soccer was banned for post-season play in 2011...
This two year Messiah National Title drought is the longest the school has had to suffer since 1999.
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on February 18, 2016, 03:44:44 PM
If only Neumann Soccer was banned for post-season play in 2011...
This two year Messiah National Title drought is the longest the school has had to suffer since 1999.
Nice fun fact/stat of the day! Do you know what the alleged violation is for this school? Financial aid or recruiting? Or something else?
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 18, 2016, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on February 18, 2016, 03:44:44 PM
If only Neumann Soccer was banned for post-season play in 2011...
This two year Messiah National Title drought is the longest the school has had to suffer since 1999.
Nice fun fact/stat of the day! Do you know what the alleged violation is for this school? Financial aid or recruiting? Or something else?
Actions during an NCAA Tournament Game in 2015... Nothing serious was ever posted on the boards so I'm just curious why the NCAA would be so harsh (if true)...
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on February 18, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 18, 2016, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on February 18, 2016, 03:44:44 PM
If only Neumann Soccer was banned for post-season play in 2011...
This two year Messiah National Title drought is the longest the school has had to suffer since 1999.
Nice fun fact/stat of the day! Do you know what the alleged violation is for this school? Financial aid or recruiting? Or something else?
Actions during an NCAA Tournament Game in 2015... Nothing serious was ever posted on the boards so I'm just curious why the NCAA would be so harsh (if true)...
As you may recall, the Thomas College - Brandeis first round game did get out of control with multiple ejections of Thomas players and a confrontation with/possible punch of a referee. See, e.g., page 17 of this thread.
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on February 18, 2016, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on February 18, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 18, 2016, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on February 18, 2016, 03:44:44 PM
If only Neumann Soccer was banned for post-season play in 2011...
This two year Messiah National Title drought is the longest the school has had to suffer since 1999.
Nice fun fact/stat of the day! Do you know what the alleged violation is for this school? Financial aid or recruiting? Or something else?
Actions during an NCAA Tournament Game in 2015... Nothing serious was ever posted on the boards so I'm just curious why the NCAA would be so harsh (if true)...
As you may recall, the Thomas College - Brandeis first round game did get out of control with multiple ejections of Thomas players and a confrontation with/possible punch of a referee. See, e.g., page 17 of this thread.
Yes I do remember some discussion about that during the game. Interesting. I have never been a fan of postseason bans because it only hurts the kids playing. Suspend an individual from X amount of games or a coach if they misbehave but banning the entire team (especially at the D3 level) is harsh. The people who end up committing the infraction don't get punished by it but the kids/team who work hard do get hurt by it. Penn State football as an example or now Louisville basketball. Both those teams kids are getting hurt...not the guilty party.
Thomas behavior against Brandeis was typical and predicted. Their consistent undisciplined behavior under their Head Coach Chris Parsons is a complete embarrassment for the school and their league. They should be punished and he should be fired but I doubt that would warrant a 2016 Postseason ban.
I do remember Bridgewater St who lost 5-1 at MIT in the 1st round used an in-eligible player last year so maybe it will be them? However, since they admitted the mistake in the middle of the 2015 season I am not sure why they were not banned for the 2015 post-season.
Quote from: Mr.Right on February 19, 2016, 04:14:45 PM
Thomas behavior against Brandeis was typical and predicted. Their consistent undisciplined behavior under their Head Coach Chris Parsons is a complete embarrassment for the school and their league. They should be punished and he should be fired but I doubt that would warrant a 2016 Postseason ban.
I was wondering what, if anything, would happen to Ming and Clemmons, since they are both seniors, in terms of retroactive punishment. You made the point that if Ming was on his game that he could cause the Brandeis defense some real trouble, but it ended up being that Brandeis kept Ming from getting into a rhythm, and I think that had something to do with his frustration in striking the referee that ultimately led to the red card.
Quote from: blooter442 on February 22, 2016, 12:08:53 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on February 19, 2016, 04:14:45 PM
Thomas behavior against Brandeis was typical and predicted. Their consistent undisciplined behavior under their Head Coach Chris Parsons is a complete embarrassment for the school and their league. They should be punished and he should be fired but I doubt that would warrant a 2016 Postseason ban.
I was wondering what, if anything, would happen to Ming and Clemmons, since they are both seniors, in terms of retroactive punishment. You made the point that if Ming was on his game that he could cause the Brandeis defense some real trouble, but it ended up being that Brandeis kept Ming from getting into a rhythm, and I think that had something to do with his frustration in striking the referee that ultimately led to the red card.
You are correct that Brandeis absolutely SHUT Ming down and I would be willing to guess he only had about 10-12 touches of the ball all game. While Brandeis was clearly the better side and deserved the win I was not expecting Clemmons to play and score an early goal to give Thomas a 1-0 lead about 10 minutes in that was looking like for maybe the next 15 minutes that the goal was going to lead Thomas an almost unthinkable upset. Interestingly, I believe Thomas scored 1st against Williams in the 1st round of the NCAA's in 2012 but could not hold on but I would have to check. Almost more surprisingly was the total undisciplined play of Clemmons AFTER scoring the goal. You could see Brandeis and Coven were clearly frustrated about going down 1-0 and not capitalizing on their plentiful scoring chances in the 1st Half. Thomas compressed defensively or at least tried to after going up 1-0 but did not have anyone to hold the ball up top after Clemmons exited which led to their defense getting overwhelmed and tired.
Quote from: Mr.Right on February 22, 2016, 01:40:05 PM
You are correct that Brandeis absolutely SHUT Ming down and I would be willing to guess he only had about 10-12 touches of the ball all game. While Brandeis was clearly the better side and deserved the win I was not expecting Clemmons to play and score an early goal to give Thomas a 1-0 lead about 10 minutes in that was looking like for maybe the next 15 minutes that the goal was going to lead Thomas an almost unthinkable upset. Interestingly, I believe Thomas scored 1st against Williams in the 1st round of the NCAA's in 2012 but could not hold on but I would have to check. Almost more surprisingly was the total undisciplined play of Clemmons AFTER scoring the goal. You could see Brandeis and Coven were clearly frustrated about going down 1-0 and not capitalizing on their plentiful scoring chances in the 1st Half. Thomas compressed defensively or at least tried to after going up 1-0 but did not have anyone to hold the ball up top after Clemmons exited which led to their defense getting overwhelmed and tired.
I definitely thought shutting down Ming was going to be difficult, but he was off his game all night and never really threatened. Also, I was a bit surprised that Thomas scored first, but I thought that they had it in them to score once. After they went 1-0 up, though, they lost their composure, and their lack of big game experience was there for all to see.
The most dangerous player on the pitch for Thomas, I thought, was Adam LaBrie on the right wing. He's a freshman, and he wasn't afraid to take on one of the best fullbacks in D3 in Robbie Lynch and even had moderate success, although I think Lynch won the battle overall.
As far as NCAAs 2012 goes, Williams actually got the first goal in their game against Thomas, but Thomas tied it up at 1-1 before losing 2-1. I had remembered it similarly to you (that they'd gone up 1-0) so I wanted to verify it.
This is in response to the NCAA ban or rumor of that...none of the teams should get a ban. If anyone should get banned it should be the officiating crews from numerous games in this tournament. The NCAA needs to do something to attract better officials at this level especially come tournament time. Yes we will always be critical of refs no matter what. Someone will always be unhappy and that's just the unfair nature of being an official, but the countless blunders and mistakes that have cost teams games or changed the game completely is sad and uncalled for. I am sure coaches send in video of games if they have issues and I am sure that the NCAA got flooded with it after this tournament. The players, coaches, NCAA reps, and schools deserve better than what the NCAA has been putting on the field to officiate these games. A change is needed before things get out of hand with some of these officials. It's sad and honestly ruining the game for the kids. Just like a ban of a team would only hurt the players. Not a fan of postseason bans. And if officials don't have thick enough skin to ref at this level then they should stick to academy or club leagues. I will repeat that it is not fair to the players to have poor officiating throughout the year let alone in the NCAA tournament. Hopefully next year's officials get better...but it has only been getting worse.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 08, 2016, 11:49:21 AM
This is in response to the NCAA ban or rumor of that...none of the teams should get a ban. If anyone should get banned it should be the officiating crews from numerous games in this tournament. The NCAA needs to do something to attract better officials at this level especially come tournament time. Yes we will always be critical of refs no matter what. Someone will always be unhappy and that's just the unfair nature of being an official, but the countless blunders and mistakes that have cost teams games or changed the game completely is sad and uncalled for. I am sure coaches send in video of games if they have issues and I am sure that the NCAA got flooded with it after this tournament. The players, coaches, NCAA reps, and schools deserve better than what the NCAA has been putting on the field to officiate these games. A change is needed before things get out of hand with some of these officials. It's sad and honestly ruining the game for the kids. Just like a ban of a team would only hurt the players. Not a fan of postseason bans. And if officials don't have thick enough skin to ref at this level then they should stick to academy or club leagues. I will repeat that it is not fair to the players to have poor officiating throughout the year let alone in the NCAA tournament. Hopefully next year's officials get better...but it has only been getting worse.
I agree the officiating has gotten much worse in the past 10 years but it has nothing to do with the point of the conversation. If a team used ineligible players or cheated somehow then they should and will get penalized. Nothing to do with officiating but I imagine you were just throwing out your opinion but the two subjects are apples and oranges. I believe the officiating has gotten worse all over the country is because these refs are getting OLDER and some cannot keep up with the pace of the games. I am guessing the veteran refs get the plush assignments to make "extra" money in the NCAA's at the expense of better yet younger refs. It i s a thankless job and am also guessing less and less younger people are getting into the profession as it is a 2nd job for most if not all of them. Would love to see some #'s comparing how many people are attending ref courses compared to 20-30 years ago
Quote from: Mr.Right on March 08, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 08, 2016, 11:49:21 AM
This is in response to the NCAA ban or rumor of that...none of the teams should get a ban. If anyone should get banned it should be the officiating crews from numerous games in this tournament. The NCAA needs to do something to attract better officials at this level especially come tournament time. Yes we will always be critical of refs no matter what. Someone will always be unhappy and that's just the unfair nature of being an official, but the countless blunders and mistakes that have cost teams games or changed the game completely is sad and uncalled for. I am sure coaches send in video of games if they have issues and I am sure that the NCAA got flooded with it after this tournament. The players, coaches, NCAA reps, and schools deserve better than what the NCAA has been putting on the field to officiate these games. A change is needed before things get out of hand with some of these officials. It's sad and honestly ruining the game for the kids. Just like a ban of a team would only hurt the players. Not a fan of postseason bans. And if officials don't have thick enough skin to ref at this level then they should stick to academy or club leagues. I will repeat that it is not fair to the players to have poor officiating throughout the year let alone in the NCAA tournament. Hopefully next year's officials get better...but it has only been getting worse.
I agree the officiating has gotten much worse in the past 10 years but it has nothing to do with the point of the conversation. If a team used ineligible players or cheated somehow then they should and will get penalized. Nothing to do with officiating but I imagine you were just throwing out your opinion but the two subjects are apples and oranges. I believe the officiating has gotten worse all over the country is because these refs are getting OLDER and some cannot keep up with the pace of the games. I am guessing the veteran refs get the plush assignments to make "extra" money in the NCAA's at the expense of better yet younger refs. It i s a thankless job and am also guessing less and less younger people are getting into the profession as it is a 2nd job for most if not all of them. Would love to see some #'s comparing how many people are attending ref courses compared to 20-30 years ago
I agree with Mr. Right. The reffing has been poor to put it politely over the past 8-10 years. This year I thought, from the games I watched, was the worst year yet. Does anybody know if they have to go to review sessions of complaints so they can learn from their mistakes or get praise for making the right call in a difficult situation? Both ends of the spectrum should be looked at.
I also agree that if there is some sort of academic fraud or ineligible players or financial aid misconduct then yes I guess a postseason ban is necessary depending on the guilty party or parties. But if the NCAA bans a team for a couple seniors getting in a fight or a kid losing his temper and punching a ref or a player yelling at an official after a poor call then all hope will be lost for the game. The stupidity of one player or a few that have graduated shouldn't cause next year's kids to be banned if they make it.
I understand all the points mentioned previously and agree with Mr. Right fully on his statement and understand where Shooter is coming from with the officials. This isn't the opinion of a few. It's the opinion of many around the country so the NCAA needs to step up, listen, own it, and try fix the problems they have with officials and other issues.
Yes Mr. Right I got a little side tracked with my rant there! ;) But I think my statement is valid and can be agreed upon by almost everyone who watches this level closely like we do.
Relating to the referee dilemma, our (St. Lawrence) football team actually did something about the officials. Lost to Hobart on a last second touchdown that was actually caught by our defensive back. The Hobart player had one hand on the ball and they called it a TD for them. It was literally a replica of the Fail Mary. All of it was on video, and the athletic director submitted it to the Liberty League commissioner. The officiating crew on that game got banned from reffing any SLU game for the rest of the season, and I think next season as well. I'm pretty sure they were suspended from officiating all together for at least one game. Yes, I know this is football I'm talking about but this shows that there is some precedent in at least the Liberty League.