Sure wish teams would discontinue the practice of duplicating numbers. I realize both can't be on the field at the same time, but still its annoying. So often announcers call the wrong name, especially at away games. 1-99 numbers are available so if a guy isn't good enough to have a unique number, he shouldn't be dressing for the game.
Quote from: paparcc on June 08, 2017, 04:33:57 PM
Sure wish teams would discontinue the practice of duplicating numbers. I realize both can't be on the field at the same time, but still its annoying. So often announcers call the wrong name, especially at away games. 1-99 numbers are available so if a guy isn't good enough to have a unique number, he shouldn't be dressing for the game.
These guys are playing for the love of the game. If they want to put in the time and effort to go to practice and voluntary sessions and everything else that needs to be done to be part of the team, I don't have a problem with them being dressed in duplicate numbers. There is nothing easy about the time commitment these young men, and all DIII student athletes, make. If the reward for their effort is to dress and be part of the team on the sideline, and that's enough for them, it should be enough for us...
I mean, I agree with the second point, though the announcer point is somewhat valid. Hopefully, the players either play different positions, or are physically different enough to make it obvious. Last year, Alfred had two DL wearing 77. One weighed 220 and one 300, for example.
But yeah, if you have two backup OL wearing the same number and one is 6-1, 295 and the other is 6-0, 305, I could see a road broadcaster (especially if it's a student) not knowing which one you're subbing in late in the game. (Hopefully, a home broadcaster has picked up on the subtle differences)
@jknezek
That's kind of the point. Regardless of level it's college football, not Pop Warner. It's too expensive for schools to provide equipment, uniforms etc. for 100+ players, the majority of whom will never get on the field. Why waste the kid's and the coach's time? Keep the best 70, make the 4th string the Scout squad, and let the rest go play intramural.
Many kids at DIII are very good players but for whatever reason (usually size) didn't get a chance at the D1 or DII levels. It's competitive college athletics. On the team I follow the duplicate numbers are always offense/defense. But regardless it's confusing for spectators, announcers and officials. What happens when #60 is ejected and another #60 comes in the game later?
Baseball don't allow it, basketball don't allow it, soccer don't allow it....why football?
Quote from: paparcc on June 09, 2017, 02:40:07 PM
@jknezek
That's kind of the point. Regardless of level it's college football, not Pop Warner. It's too expensive for schools to provide equipment, uniforms etc. for 100+ players, the majority of whom will never get on the field. Why waste the kid's and the coach's time? Keep the best 70, make the 4th string the Scout squad, and let the rest go play intramural.
But regardless it's confusing for spectators, announcers and officials. What happens when #60 is ejected and another #60 comes in the game later?
The problem is, the fact that it still occurs undermines nearly every one of your points. To wit:
1. Athletic departments have budgets. If a football team roster is 140 players deep, the athletic department (and whoever they answer to) has decided it's an acceptable use of their budget to provide equipment for that many players.
2. Coaches decide who makes their team. If a team's roster is 140 players deep, the coaching staff has decided that it's not a waste of their time to have 140 players
3. Participation in college athletics is voluntary. If the player is on the sideline, they have decided that being on the sideline is not a waste of their time.
4. Officials could certainly raise the issue with various rules committees within the NCAA if it was a consistent source of problems, rather than a rare occurrence.
As far as spectators go, if your enjoyment of the game is seriously hindered by the fact that two players are wearing the same number and you get confused...well, that seems like a small thing to be bothered by.
Quote from: paparcc on June 09, 2017, 02:40:07 PM
@jknezek
That's kind of the point. Regardless of level it's college football, not Pop Warner. It's too expensive for schools to provide equipment, uniforms etc. for 100+ players, the majority of whom will never get on the field. Why waste the kid's and the coach's time? Keep the best 70, make the 4th string the Scout squad, and let the rest go play intramural.
Many kids at DIII are very good players but for whatever reason (usually size) didn't get a chance at the D1 or DII levels. It's competitive college athletics. On the team I follow the duplicate numbers are always offense/defense. But regardless it's confusing for spectators, announcers and officials. What happens when #60 is ejected and another #60 comes in the game later?
Baseball don't allow it, basketball don't allow it, soccer don't allow it....why football?
I don't think you understand the economics of DIII athletics. Many schools, especially those that rely on tuition more than endowment, would RATHER have 140 football players than 90. The true cost of many of these schools is about $15K-$25K per year after aid. Shelling out a few hundred dollars in equipment, and maybe an extra grand or two per kid on medical care, travel costs, and academic aids, is nothing compared to the extra revenue from having another student on campus.
Many of these schools expect the coaches to bring in 50+ first years every year. It's part of his job, whether he thinks they are going to play or not because it helps the school make budget. Having all those first years be required to stay on campus, be required to have meal plans, sit in the largest classes with the least expensive professors and assistants, first years are where colleges make their money. Many schools NEED those first year athletes. Now if they drop to 10-20 seniors who legitimately play football, that's ok too. Seniors don't have to live on campus, don't have to have the full meal plan, have small classes taught by senior professors. You get the point? Your point about money is simply looking at things backward.
As for confusing for spectators, I don't think that is really a big consideration. Most DIII schools don't make enough from ticket revenue or streaming charges to really care. Again, a couple extra kids paying tuition will bring in more revenue. So some small confusion is not going to be high on their list of concerns. Average DIII attendance is 2000 per game. At $10 per ticket, 10 games per year, (playoff revenue goes to the NCAA I believe), and I know many schools that charge nothing, but that's $200K per year. 10 kids paying 20K? Same revenue.
Colleges have generally fixed costs. They can have variable revenue based on the number of enrollments. So athletics offers students an important outlet, teamwork, character, time management, and many other life skills are learned by the student athletes. But the primary driver of a DIII athletic department is to attract students. The more the better within reason. I have problems with schools that are bringing in 100 first years, and there are a few that do in DIII. I think it's a joke and dishonest for the school and the coach when they pitch many of these kids. But from a financial standpoint? It's just a good business decision. If giving those kids duplicate numbers and letting them be part of the dressed team on game day keeps them coming back for another year, you can bet the colleges are going to be in favor of it.
FYI - It is actually illegal for a team to have two players with the same number on the field at the same time.
And as an announcer and as a broadcaster... double-number are a pain in the ass and there are honest ways to work around it that aren't taken seriously.
I think back in 2013 when Franklin came back and almost knocked off Mount Union in the debut of coach Vince Kehres there was a penalty where Mount was called for having two identical numbers on the field. If it can happen to them it could happen to anyone.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 12, 2017, 01:55:31 PM
FYI - It is actually illegal for a team to have two players with the same number on the field at the same time.
And as an announcer and as a broadcaster... double-number are a pain in the ass and there are honest ways to work around it that aren't taken seriously.
As a radio broadcaster of Mount for roughly a decade, I covered a LOT of games that got way out of hand on the score board and the bench was emptied. It was rare that we named the wrong guy in a broadcast because the SID kept everyone in the pressbox informed of who was who. The more common error was the young guys wearing a different number than the official roster, but even those were clarified in the pregame which made the whole inconvenience simply having to write the new # on the reference material I already had prepared.
I can't speak of every school across the county, but double numbers have rarely been an issue at Mount and I imagine they have as big a roster as anyone in D3.
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 12, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
I think back in 2013 when Franklin came back and almost knocked off Mount Union in the debut of coach Vince Kehres there was a penalty where Mount was called for having two identical numbers on the field. If it can happen to them it could happen to anyone.
Correct. If my memory is working it wiped out an interception.
Quote from: HScoach on June 20, 2017, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 12, 2017, 01:55:31 PM
FYI - It is actually illegal for a team to have two players with the same number on the field at the same time.
And as an announcer and as a broadcaster... double-number are a pain in the ass and there are honest ways to work around it that aren't taken seriously.
As a radio broadcaster of Mount for roughly a decade, I covered a LOT of games that got way out of hand on the score board and the bench was emptied. It was rare that we named the wrong guy in a broadcast because the SID kept everyone in the pressbox informed of who was who. The more common error was the young guys wearing a different number than the official roster, but even those were clarified in the pregame which made the whole inconvenience simply having to write the new # on the reference material I already had prepared.
I can't speak of every school across the county, but double numbers have rarely been an issue at Mount and I imagine they have as big a roster as anyone in D3.
You happen to name one of the best SIDs and offices in the country, especially at the DIII ranks. Lenny has a lot of control and I know he makes sure football doesn't screw things up. He has the ability to make sure coaches understand what is going on and how things need to work especially for a program that gets a ton of national attention. That coaching staff realizes that for a lot of reasons, what Lenny says is legit and needs to happen - like clarifying number changes and double-numbers.
But that is only about 10% of the country. There are a lot of programs out there where the coaching staff doesn't care what the SID says or does. There are lot of programs out there where the coaches make last minute decisions (or aren't even aware of number changes) and then don't care to or fail to communicate that with the SID. That's because they either don't respect that office or just don't think it is that big a deal. Heck, they aren't in the national spotlight that much, so they don't realize the importance of all of this. Heck, even FSU in DI was forced to change their uniforms once it was revealed how difficult it was to see numbers and such (that was for varying reasons why they were changed and what it affected).
So, yes... you haven't had problems and I am not surprised you didn't have problems. Lenny runs a terrific ship there and coaches in that entire department understand what Lenny says should be followed. He isn't the president of D3SIDA (Division III Sports Information Directors of America a subset of CoSIDA) for the heck of it. And as such, sadly your situation at Mount Union is not the norm... its usually the exception.
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Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 12, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
I think back in 2013 when Franklin came back and almost knocked off Mount Union in the debut of coach Vince Kehres there was a penalty where Mount was called for having two identical numbers on the field. If it can happen to them it could happen to anyone.
Correct. If my memory is working it wiped out an interception.
It was my first and only game at Mt Union. I recall that it was a blocked punt recovered for a td. Play-by-play shows the penalty only during FC's final possession of first quarter on a fourth down play deep in MU territory.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 12, 2017, 01:55:31 PM
And as an announcer and as a broadcaster... double-number are a pain in the ass and there are honest ways to work around it that aren't taken seriously.
What are the work-arounds?
Allow three-digit numbers and update the stat software to accommodate it and all is good.
Quote from: Just Bill on June 21, 2017, 11:03:11 AM
Allow three-digit numbers and update the stat software to accommodate it and all is good.
I mean, sure.
Look, I used to call games, so I'm not unsympathetic. I just don't think it's that big a deal. On the rare times you had a player at the same position who wasn't obviously physically different—be it skin color or say, Alfred having two defensive linemen wearing 77, one of whom was 220 pounds and one of whom was 300—I'd look for something else (Hey, the starting corner wears a black sleeve on his right arm).
Double-numbers are not allowed to be for the same side of the ball, let alone for the same position.
The rules state that double-numbers have to be players on offense and then defense... not both on offense or both on defense. The problems on the field usually occur when: special teams plays when there is always a mix; when someone isn't paying attention and a player who can, or is asked, play multiple positions is thrown into a play.
Two things I think would solve the problem:
- If you look at a roster, it may be surprising how many times there are numbers NOT used. So there might be a double 15s on a team, but then you might notice no one wears, say, 18. I can't tell you how many times I have looked at a roster and seen double-numbers and numbers not used at all. That is unnecessary. I get there are those who want "their" number, but welcome to reality... not everyone can have their number (even in the pros). Fill in all the slots first.
- Not everyone needs a damn uniform! Technically 100 individuals could have uniforms on a team without doubling up. I get that football is an enrollment opportunity, but I fail to understand why more than 100 individuals have to be suited up for a game. I am a former student-athlete and even experienced being cut from a team. If the coaching staff doesn't feel I have earned the chance to suit-up for a game... so be it. I now have a goal to be better and earn that opportunity. The idea we need 120, 130, etc. players suited up on the sideline is ridiculous. Maybe the sport wants to allow more than 100 in uniform - again that's insane in my mind (100 players is 4 1/2 full teams of offense and defense!) - then fill in all the numbers and use the doubles for players that have the least likely chance to get in.
Now, I get that the problem comes on a week-to-week basis. This could result in some players changing numbers as the team ebbs and flows through the season and deals with injuries, so this isn't a perfect idea... but it is a far better idea than just throwing around double-numbers willy-nilly. I think double-numbers do a huge disservice to the fans and I think even for the broadcasters and other game management, no matter how "used to it" they are. I am very used to it... but that doesn't mean people should shrug their shoulders at the issue. Same with bad colored uniforms and illegal numbers... it isn't something to just shrug one's shoulders to.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2017, 01:04:19 PM
- Not everyone needs a damn uniform! Technically 100 individuals could have uniforms on a team without doubling up. I get that football is an enrollment opportunity, but I fail to understand why more than 100 individuals have to be suited up for a game. I am a former student-athlete and even experienced being cut from a team. If the coaching staff doesn't feel I have earned the chance to suit-up for a game... so be it. I now have a goal to be better and earn that opportunity. The idea we need 120, 130, etc. players suited up on the sideline is ridiculous. Maybe the sport wants to allow more than 100 in uniform - again that's insane in my mind (100 players is 4 1/2 full teams of offense and defense!) - then fill in all the numbers and use the doubles for players that have the least likely chance to get in.
Have you ever come up to St. John's before? Watching 200 players running onto the field is a pretty cool sight. I took a short little video of it 2 years ago. https://twitter.com/AOMinnesota/status/647835971678007296 (https://twitter.com/AOMinnesota/status/647835971678007296)
I am fully aware of what 200 players running onto a field looks like. I have seen it at many places... but even D1 has rules on how many are on the sidelines. I get that D1 doesn't have to worry about enrollment... but at some point this becomes a joke and at some point we are doing a disservice for the students. I have been cut. It happens. Why do you need 9 teams worth of offense and defense on the sideline for a game? Even in a blow out, not everyone is getting in.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2017, 01:04:19 PM
I fail to understand why more than 100 individuals have to be suited up for a game. I am a former student-athlete and even experienced being cut from a team. If the coaching staff doesn't feel I have earned the chance to suit-up for a game... so be it. At some point this becomes a joke and at some point we are doing a disservice for the students. I have been cut. It happens. Why do you need 9 teams worth of offense and defense on the sideline for a game? Even in a blow out, not everyone is getting in.
They
don't have to or need to.
But since, as you alluded to, coaches decide who suits up for a game, and playing a sport is voluntary, then clearly, this what the coaches and players prefer. Their preference outweighs that of broadcasters.
I wasn't coming at it from only a broadcaster's point of view... there are others involved. Case in point, there are rules for what the uniforms are to look like despite what a coach or player would like. Not everything is based on the coach and player's personal preferences. This easily can be part of that as well.
You don't want to even know how much double-numbers has also screwed up things for compliance and eligibility of players. There is more involved with this than people realize... as many things in the NCAA end up being.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2017, 04:30:22 PM
I wasn't coming at it from only a broadcaster's point of view... there are others involved. Case in point, there are rules for what the uniforms are to look like despite what a coach or player would like. Not everything is based on the coach and player's personal preferences. This easily can be part of that as well.
You don't want to even know how much double-numbers has also screwed up things for compliance and eligibility of players. There is more involved with this than people realize... as many things in the NCAA end up being.
No, but you raised the specific complaint of why teams suit up more than 100 players on game day. And since there is not an NCAA rule prohibiting it, then it clearly
is a coach/player preference.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2017, 03:52:16 PM
I am fully aware of what 200 players running onto a field looks like. I have seen it at many places.
What other teams are in the 190+ club? Mount, Mary Hardin-Baylor and St. John's are the ones I could find with a quick search.
Quote from: AO on June 21, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2017, 03:52:16 PM
I am fully aware of what 200 players running onto a field looks like. I have seen it at many places.
What other teams are in the 190+ club, Mount, Mary Hardin-Baylor and St. John's are the ones I could find with a quick search.
I think Methodist had something like 140 first years report last year. Not sure how many upperclassmen they had. If you look in last year's Kickoff (if you can remember your password), it will tell you everyone's camp number.
Quote from: jknezek on June 21, 2017, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: AO on June 21, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2017, 03:52:16 PM
I am fully aware of what 200 players running onto a field looks like. I have seen it at many places.
What other teams are in the 190+ club, Mount, Mary Hardin-Baylor and St. John's are the ones I could find with a quick search.
I think Methodist had something like 140 first years report last year. Not sure how many upperclassmen they had. If you look in last year's Kickoff (if you can remember your password), it will tell you everyone's camp number.
They had 224 in 2015, 196 last year.
I think a few places have a JV team don't they? If more schools did that then more kids could get playing time and not have 150 players on the sideline. Kids who would otherwise be stuck as a 5th string and never play can get some experience.
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 22, 2017, 03:40:42 AM
I think a few places have a JV team don't they? If more schools did that then more kids could get playing time and not have 150 players on the sideline. Kids who would otherwise be stuck as a 5th string and never play can get some experience.
Fair point to be sure.
Quote from: AO on June 21, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2017, 03:52:16 PM
I am fully aware of what 200 players running onto a field looks like. I have seen it at many places.
What other teams are in the 190+ club? Mount, Mary Hardin-Baylor and St. John's are the ones I could find with a quick search.
I'm not restricting myself to DIII only. I have been covered all sports for much of my adult life. From high school to the pros (which obviously, doesn't have 200 person rosters). So, I have been on the sideline or in the booth for a lot of different sports and seen a lot of things like 200+ rosters on the sideline. Hell, my introduction to college lacrosse was standing next to Salisbury's men's squad that easily was 100+ at an AWAY game!!!
In the NCAC there are at least three teams, and some years a fourth, with roster sizes of more than 100. On a regular basis DePauw, Wabash, and Wittenberg. And Allegheny has sometimes had that many. I recall a conversation I had with a Wabash senior some years ago. He had never played a single down in an intercollegiate game. He told me he was having a great experience, had made a ton of friends through the team, and while he wished for more productive career, he was satisfied to be on the team. One thing that kept him around was the chance to dress for games five times a year. He got a kick out of pre-game warmups and being on the sideline close to the action. He told me that he wanted to be Rudy; I don't think he ever got that chance. DIII is supposed to be about the experience of the student-athlete; other considerations are secondary.
Although duplicate numbers can occasionally be confusing for fans, announcers--and probably officials--I favor everyone having the chance to dress. If this means two number 3s, then deal with it.
I believe there are more teams in DIII with roster sizes over 100 than than most of us know. I do not favor cutting roster sizes only because there may be duplicate numbers. Let's deal with the occasional inconvenience of being confused and appreciate that DIII is a place where everyone who wants to participate has a chance to wear a uniform on game days.
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Quote from: AO on June 21, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2017, 03:52:16 PM
I am fully aware of what 200 players running onto a field looks like. I have seen it at many places.
What other teams are in the 190+ club? Mount, Mary Hardin-Baylor and St. John's are the ones I could find with a quick search.
I'm not restricting myself to DIII only. I have been covered all sports for much of my adult life. From high school to the pros (which obviously, doesn't have 200 person rosters). So, I have been on the sideline or in the booth for a lot of different sports and seen a lot of things like 200+ rosters on the sideline. Hell, my introduction to college lacrosse was standing next to Salisbury's men's squad that easily was 100+ at an AWAY game!!!
Have you been going to lots of Bo-Taoshi matches?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2OfCkCJg2E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAZ9LVhaD3M :)
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 22, 2017, 03:40:42 AM
I think a few places have a JV team don't they? If more schools did that then more kids could get playing time and not have 150 players on the sideline. Kids who would otherwise be stuck as a 5th string and never play can get some experience.
I think many schools do both. Bombers would know better than I, but when I attended Ithaca College in the 1990s, there was a JV team comprised of about 50 freshman and 5-10 upperclassmen who were either first year players, or did not make the varsity after their second year and were told by coaches they were welcome to stay on and keep trying (often because of injuries). The 50-60 JV players did not suit up for any varsity games, and players were not really called up either. The varsity kept about a 70-80 man roster limit if I remember correctly, and would travel about 80% of that number (saving hotel and travel costs). Those who were not on the "travel team" were welcome to go to away games on their own and dress, and many of these players might be on special teams so they actually did play.
Anyway, at some point after I graduated, I noticed that Ithaca would be dressing 100+ players during home games, and I assumed these were JV players. Not sure if this decision was made to attract more students by "promising" them a spot on the varsity as freshman or if they just felt it wasn't too much of a distraction to dress that many players and figured why not.
Jknezek kind of hits the nail on the head with his first assessment of how schools help their own budgets by having more football players, not less.
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I think back in 2013 when Franklin came back and almost knocked off Mount Union in the debut of coach Vince Kehres there was a penalty where Mount was called for having two identical numbers on the field. If it can happen to them it could happen to anyone.
Correct. If my memory is working it wiped out an interception.
I remember it being on special teams. Duplicate #s usually are one offensive and one defensive player. But special teams can be a combination of both, thus the error.
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I think back in 2013 when Franklin came back and almost knocked off Mount Union in the debut of coach Vince Kehres there was a penalty where Mount was called for having two identical numbers on the field. If it can happen to them it could happen to anyone.
Correct. If my memory is working it wiped out an interception.
Going to 3 digits eliminates the problem and confusion ;)
I remember it being on special teams. Duplicate #s usually are one offensive and one defensive player. But special teams can be a combination of both, thus the error.
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I think back in 2013 when Franklin came back and almost knocked off Mount Union in the debut of coach Vince Kehres there was a penalty where Mount was called for having two identical numbers on the field. If it can happen to them it could happen to anyone.
Correct. If my memory is working it wiped out an interception.
I remember it being on special teams. Duplicate #s usually are one offensive and one defensive player. But special teams can be a combination of both, thus the error.
Going to 3 digits eliminates the problem and confusion ;)
The problem would not be solved by Three Digits IMO. The players WANT to wear the Single Digit #s. Thus you have and Offensive and Defensive player wearing the same #. You don't see many guys fighting over numbers like 37 or 61.
Used to be OL/DL wore the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 90s. Now you see more of them wearing lower numbers.
I don't think Mount Union Dresses more than 99, even for home games.
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I think back in 2013 when Franklin came back and almost knocked off Mount Union in the debut of coach Vince Kehres there was a penalty where Mount was called for having two identical numbers on the field. If it can happen to them it could happen to anyone.
Correct. If my memory is working it wiped out an interception.
I remember it being on special teams. Duplicate #s usually are one offensive and one defensive player. But special teams can be a combination of both, thus the error.
Going to 3 digits eliminates the problem and confusion ;)
The problem would not be solved by Three Digits IMO. The players WANT to wear the Single Digit #s. Thus you have and Offensive and Defensive player wearing the same #. You don't see many guys fighting over numbers like 37 or 61.
Used to be OL/DL wore the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 90s. Now you see more of them wearing lower numbers.
I don't think Mount Union Dresses more than 99, even for home games.
I think they could dress 40 and still have a +42 Margin of victory avg for the season.