All right, I have never started a topic before...so I hope I am doing this right....Before the 11/4 weekend there are 4 teams from the Liberty League(Union, Ithaca,RPI and Hobart ) and 6 teams from the E8 (Brockport, Alfred,Cortland,Hartwick,Utica and St.John Fisher) that can finish in second place , or tied for second place in their respective leagues and represent themselves in the Inaugural New York State Bowl(not totally sure on tie breakers)....there are 2 very interesting scenarios in each league where I think it is possible if Union and Brockport win out, that second place could be a three way tie at 3-2 in the LL and a 5 way tie in the E8 at 4-3, and tie breaker hell unfolds ???....in any event, my question is who do you think will be in the NYS Bowl, played at the LL participant's home field?
My guess is Alfred(5-2 in E8) vs. Hobart(3-2 in LL) at the Boz ( I need Union to win out)
I think it's technically called the "Empire State" Bowl, but regardless, we did get some info from LL Commissioner Tracy King recently and talked about it on our last episode.
Short version is it's not required for the schools to play, i.e., they can opt out (e.g., if it ended up being Cortaca Part II), meaning another team could luck into the bid.
I think Cortland will beat Utica, and finish second after Brockport whips Alfred. The LL will be an unbridled mess, and is not worth predicting (for me) until I see how the Union/IC game shakes out.
Here's what I think would be the best case/worst case scenario for the concept itself. (This is not a commentary on the quality of teams)
Best case scenario: Cortaca II, and everyone cares. Look, if you want to get momentum behind a series like this, you need buzz and a crowd. There's no other matchup that has the potential ceiling of Cortaca II, simply because it's the only E8/LL game that could draw 8,000 people. On the other hand...
Worst case scenario: Cortaca II, and nobody cares. Look, maybe I'm the only one who thinks this way, but if I were the organizer, my main fear would be that, because there's already so much crossover between the two conferences, you have a hard time convincing anyone this game is more important than a regular season game. But if you can't get the students pumped up to do this two weeks in a row—and remember, IC starts Thanksgiving break the Friday before—you run the risk of it looking like it's less important than the regular season game. If 1,250 people show up the week after we have an overflow crowd, that's just going to be hard to spin.
Best case scenario, this season: Union/Alfred. Here's what I'd want if I were the brains behind this series. On the LL, you have a program with a storied history having a rebound season for the ages. I'd have to think, just two years removed from an 0-10 season, the Union fanbase/program would be beyond pumped to be playing in a postseason game—even though it would mean losing out on the chance to be the Pool A. This is a program with a strong history, that's on the rebound. And on the E8 side, you have arguably the most steadily successful team in the conference these past 10-12 years.
EDIT: ITH brings up what would be the worst scenario. Any team opting out would be a bad look. Could it happen? Maybe. Teams have declined to participate in ECAC games.
Quote from: Bartman on November 01, 2017, 01:24:58 PM
All right, I have never started a topic before...so I hope I am doing this right.
I just changed the title. No worries. Thanks for starting the topic!
I've been calling it the New York State Bowl Game, based on:
http://www.empire8.com/news/2017/6/27/football-empire-8-liberty-league-announce-nys-bowl-game.aspx?path=football
Here in upstate New York (and yes ALL the E8 and LL teams are now "upstate") we have a fan friendly football facility that could hold a ton of fans if a " Empire State" bowl ever really catches on. It's called the Carrier Dome and is conveniently located right in the middle of both E8 and LL land. Wouldn't it be great if the two leagues could promote and foster a bowl game that would garner so much attention and support that staging it at the "Dome" could be a reality? Who wouldn't want to see 10,000+ D3 football fans cheering for the purist form of college football in the comfy confines of the Carrier Dome.
Quote from: UfanBill on November 02, 2017, 01:40:56 AM
Here in upstate New York (and yes ALL the E8 and LL teams are now "upstate") we have a fan friendly football facility that could hold a ton of fans if a " Empire State" bowl ever really catches on. It's called the Carrier Dome and is conveniently located right in the middle of both E8 and LL land. Wouldn't it be great if the two leagues could promote and foster a bowl game that would garner so much attention and support that staging it at the "Dome" could be a reality? Who wouldn't want to see 10,000+ D3 football fans cheering for the purist form of college football in the comfy confines of the Carrier Dome.
Now this is a friggin great idea!
+k!
I mean, it'd be awesome, but I don't think there's a cross conference matchup that would generate that kind of excitement to inspire two fan bases to travel in those numbers
So schedule back to back games
one at noon
one at 5?
4 teams
4 fan bases
1 central location
Hell the Dome hosts the Section III football championships and you dont see 10000 ppl there
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 01, 2017, 01:24:58 PM
All right, I have never started a topic before...so I hope I am doing this right.
I just changed the title. No worries. Thanks for starting the topic!
Pat,
Then why when they announced the bowl...it was the New York State Bowl?....naming it the Empire State Bowl would seem prejudicial towards the Empire 8 Conference , as this would imply it is their State, their League and Their Bowl....if it is called the Empire State(rhymes with Empire 8) Bowl, I think the Liberty League should take a pass...we will not accept such subliminal domination >:(
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 02, 2017, 08:57:53 AM
So schedule back to back games
one at noon
one at 5?
4 teams
4 fan bases
1 central location
Hell the Dome hosts the Section III football championships and you dont see 10000 ppl there
I think our friends at SU may charge more for the rental of the Dome than we may get in ticket sales, but ,hey it might be cool and it is a central location.......or, in the years that Syracuse does not qualify for a bowl, we could challenge them with an E8/LL All Star team ;D
Quote from: Bartman on November 02, 2017, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 01, 2017, 01:24:58 PM
All right, I have never started a topic before...so I hope I am doing this right.
I just changed the title. No worries. Thanks for starting the topic!
Pat,
Then why when they announced the bowl...it was the New York State Bowl?....naming it the Empire State Bowl would seem prejudicial towards the Empire 8 Conference , as this would imply it is their State, their League and Their Bowl....if it is called the Empire State(rhymes with Empire 8) Bowl, I think the Liberty League should take a pass...we will not accept such subliminal domination >:(
Isnt the "Liberty Bowl" moniker taken?
;D
Quote from: Bartman on November 02, 2017, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 01, 2017, 01:24:58 PM
All right, I have never started a topic before...so I hope I am doing this right.
I just changed the title. No worries. Thanks for starting the topic!
Pat,
Then why when they announced the bowl...it was the New York State Bowl?....naming it the Empire State Bowl would seem prejudicial towards the Empire 8 Conference , as this would imply it is their State, their League and Their Bowl....if it is called the Empire State(rhymes with Empire 8) Bowl, I think the Liberty League should take a pass...we will not accept such subliminal domination >:(
Oh , and one more thing...the Cornell-Columbia game is already called the Empire State Bowl and they have an Empire Cup.....methinks copying the lowly Ivy League is not appropriate branding.....
I think the issues present with this game are just going to exist no matter what you do:
1. Teams can opt out, which is never a good look
2. The two conferences play too many games against each other in the regular season, which kills the novelty angle
3. The game's premise—a postseason game where the year ends even if you win it—really only appeals to diehard fans (like us).
Quote from: FranElia on November 02, 2017, 01:09:25 AM
I've been calling it the New York State Bowl Game, based on:
http://www.empire8.com/news/2017/6/27/football-empire-8-liberty-league-announce-nys-bowl-game.aspx?path=football
Exactly...this is what I remembered......so when did it change?
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 02, 2017, 09:24:14 AM
I think the issues present with this game are just going to exist no matter what you do:
1. Teams can opt out, which is never a good look
2. The two conferences play too many games against each other in the regular season, which kills the novelty angle
3. The game's premise—a postseason game where the year ends even if you win it—really only appeals to diehard fans (like us).
Bombers,
I wasn't sure how to reply to your post......1. Good and realistic points ....or 2. Every party has a pooper....
and I decided, it depends if Hobart makes it to the NYS/Empire/Liberty Bowl...and , hey ,so I am a die-hard...you got a problem with that? 8-)
My bad -- I assumed that ITH knew what it was talking about.
Trying this again.
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 02, 2017, 09:14:00 AM
Quote from: Bartman on November 02, 2017, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 01, 2017, 01:24:58 PM
All right, I have never started a topic before...so I hope I am doing this right.
I just changed the title. No worries. Thanks for starting the topic!
Pat,
Then why when they announced the bowl...it was the New York State Bowl?....naming it the Empire State Bowl would seem prejudicial towards the Empire 8 Conference , as this would imply it is their State, their League and Their Bowl....if it is called the Empire State(rhymes with Empire 8) Bowl, I think the Liberty League should take a pass...we will not accept such subliminal domination >:(
Isnt the "Liberty Bowl" moniker taken?
;D
LOL +1! D'ya want some gumbo with that?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2017, 10:46:15 AM
My bad -- I assumed that ITH knew what it was talking about.
Pat...+k for accuracy in journalism.....and for that..... 1 free ticket to the inaugural New York State Bowl....way better than those lopsided first round NCAA games ;D
Ill say this- If it is a Cortaca JugII game- Ill go.
Who doesnt love seeing college kids with Cuck Fortland tshirts on?
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 02, 2017, 11:52:30 AM
Ill say this- If it is a Cortaca JugII game- Ill go.
Who doesnt love seeing college kids with Cuck Fortland tshirts on?
The weird thing about Cortaca Jug II would be that both games would be played @ Ithaca.....I think if Ithaca wins Cortaca Jug I they should agree to play in Fortland
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2017, 10:46:15 AM
My bad -- I assumed that ITH knew what it was talking about.
My bad - got my signals crossed on that one.
Don't get me wrong, extra football is nice.
Honestly, this is just about my general E8/LL fatigue. The teams play a ton, they bounce from one conference to the other. This is just another aspect of that. I'd have loved to see something with the NJAC or even a NE conference much more than "Oh look, Alfred's playing RPI again"
Bombers I get that -
But who would watch St. Lawrence Endicott?
RPI Western CT?
I mean, my stance is that the venn diagram for people who truly care about these things is pretty much the same regardless of the matchup.
I have a well-documented bias against familiarity. Seeing new teams is fun. Seeing endless E8/LL matchups is less fun.
Agreed.
Then if we are still in this make believe scenario, lets choose the NJAC
Get ole Frosty or SU back.
Hell- Id like to see Wesley!
You may have seen the post by ITH radio on the ECAC board which mentions this year's ECAC games. And YES Liberty League and E8 teams are still eligible to play in them regardless of the new NYS Bowl (Which I might call the Upstate Bowl). So far Alfred, Utica and Ithaca have declared interest. This year's GAMES, 4 in total, are being played at the University of Delaware's stadium. Next year they will be back at Penn's Franklin field where they were last year. Maybe the Carrier Dome might be a future sight? The NYS Bowl could be played as part of the ECAC Football Fest.
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 02, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
Agreed.
Then if we are still in this make believe scenario, lets choose the NJAC
Get ole Frosty or SU back.
Hell- Id like to see Wesley!
I would have liked that too. However, I think we are staying in the ECACs. I did like playing the E 8 schools, but those trips were fairly long. We did have quite a bit of success and I am sure it help the program prestige and respect. Can't remember why Wesley wasn't invited along with Salisbury and Frostburg.
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 02, 2017, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 02, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
Agreed.
Then if we are still in this make believe scenario, lets choose the NJAC
Get ole Frosty or SU back.
Hell- Id like to see Wesley!
I would have liked that too. However, I think we are staying in the ECACs. I did like playing the E 8 schools, but those trips were fairly long. We did have quite a bit of success and I am sure it help the program prestige and respect. Can't remember why Wesley wasn't invited along with Salisbury and Frostburg.
Seriously??? Frostburg and Salisbury are right where they belong, in the NJAC. Remember Cortland, Brockport, Buff St. and Morrisville were inexplicably in the NJAC for a period of time. Salisbury has played Union three times. First in a 1983 NCAA game in Maryland won by the Dutchmen (I was there). Then they had a short home and home in 2009 & 2010. The Seagulls won 19-16 and then came north to beat up Union 52-21 during Union's first losing season in 28 years. . This was when you were searching for a league affiliation. The next year you very successfully joined the E8. An occasional game against the NJAC powers OK...bringing them back north, NO WAY!
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 02, 2017, 01:23:20 PM
I mean, my stance is that the venn diagram for people who truly care about these things is pretty much the same regardless of the matchup.
I have a well-documented bias against familiarity. Seeing new teams is fun. Seeing endless E8/LL matchups is less fun.
Ah yes, the Venn diagram of D3 football enthusiasts...Bombers,you are probably right...for this year, I would just be happy for Hobart to selfishly play one more game at home, and to play someone like Alfred or Cortland , although I'd really like to avenge the Brockport game....I also have a great curiosity when it comes to the E8 and the LL and how they would stack up against the MASCAC , MAC or the NJAC....because who knows if Wesley and Frosty are really that good or if the 1 loss MASCAC teams even compare to a 2 loss teams in the E8/LL or even 3 loss Hobart, for that matter......we can only speculate as the E8 and LL do seem to dance together mostly in season.....maybe the ECAC's could be interesting matchups....but Delaware...kinda far....I don't think Hobart will sign up for them if it involves an overnight from a budget perspective, so the NYS Bowl is preferred
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 02, 2017, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 02, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
Agreed.
Then if we are still in this make believe scenario, lets choose the NJAC
Get ole Frosty or SU back.
Hell- Id like to see Wesley!
I would have liked that too. However, I think we are staying in the ECACs. I did like playing the E 8 schools, but those trips were fairly long. We did have quite a bit of success and I am sure it help the program prestige and respect. Can't remember why Wesley wasn't invited along with Salisbury and Frostburg.
Definitely a bias against all things Delaware....Pep remembers a conversation with Coach Murray when he said Frosty and Sally were joining the E8. Wesley wanted in, too, but E8 didn't want all three.
Quote from: UfanBill on November 02, 2017, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 02, 2017, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 02, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
Agreed.
Then if we are still in this make believe scenario, lets choose the NJAC
Get ole Frosty or SU back.
Hell- Id like to see Wesley!
I would have liked that too. However, I think we are staying in the ECACs. I did like playing the E 8 schools, but those trips were fairly long. We did have quite a bit of success and I am sure it help the program prestige and respect. Can't remember why Wesley wasn't invited along with Salisbury and Frostburg.
Seriously??? Frostburg and Salisbury are right where they belong, in the NJAC. Remember Cortland, Brockport, Buff St. and Morrisville were inexplicably in the NJAC for a period of time. Salisbury has played Union three times. First in a 1983 NCAA game in Maryland won by the Dutchmen (I was there). Then they had a short home and home in 2009 & 2010. The Seagulls won 19-16 and then came north to beat up Union 52-21 during Union's first losing season in 28 years. . This was when you were searching for a league affiliation. The next year you very successfully joined the E8. An occasional game against the NJAC powers OK...bringing them back north, NO WAY!
The conversation was visiting the thought of a post-season game matching up E8 with our old friends from Maryland now in the NJAC, much like E8/LL New York State Bowl. No one's suggesting they return to the E8.
bill- in NO way do I want em back in the E8
guests of the state perhaps ;D
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 02, 2017, 02:53:07 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 02, 2017, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 02, 2017, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 02, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
Agreed.
Then if we are still in this make believe scenario, lets choose the NJAC
Get ole Frosty or SU back.
Hell- Id like to see Wesley!
I would have liked that too. However, I think we are staying in the ECACs. I did like playing the E 8 schools, but those trips were fairly long. We did have quite a bit of success and I am sure it help the program prestige and respect. Can't remember why Wesley wasn't invited along with Salisbury and Frostburg.
Seriously??? Frostburg and Salisbury are right where they belong, in the NJAC. Remember Cortland, Brockport, Buff St. and Morrisville were inexplicably in the NJAC for a period of time. Salisbury has played Union three times. First in a 1983 NCAA game in Maryland won by the Dutchmen (I was there). Then they had a short home and home in 2009 & 2010. The Seagulls won 19-16 and then came north to beat up Union 52-21 during Union's first losing season in 28 years. . This was when you were searching for a league affiliation. The next year you very successfully joined the E8. An occasional game against the NJAC powers OK...bringing them back north, NO WAY!
The conversation was visiting the thought of a post-season game matching up E8 with our old friends from Maryland now in the NJAC, much like E8/LL New York State Bowl. No one's suggesting they return to the E8.
No, I completely understand. I would welcome an E8 vs. NJAC type of affair or LL vs. NJAC affair. I think my last sentence sort of was too vague. I was inquiring as to when Frostburg and Salisbury were in the E 8, Wesley was never invited. I think NJAC is a perfect fit for our schools as we have a good conglomerate of students from NJAC country.
UFAN, I remember when Brockport and Buff State were in the ACFC, those were the days. Regarding the 1983 game, I was not there, but I heard the game was entertaining.
Quote from: Bartman on November 02, 2017, 09:32:29 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 02, 2017, 09:24:14 AM
I think the issues present with this game are just going to exist no matter what you do:
1. Teams can opt out, which is never a good look
2. The two conferences play too many games against each other in the regular season, which kills the novelty angle
3. The game's premise—a postseason game where the year ends even if you win it—really only appeals to diehard fans (like us).
Bombers,
I wasn't sure how to reply to your post......1. Good and realistic points ....or 2. Every party has a pooper....
and I decided, it depends if Hobart makes it to the NYS/Empire/Liberty Bowl...and , hey ,so I am a die-hard...you got a problem with that? 8-)
First of all, I can't imagine there are many players at this level that wouldn't want to play one more game (giving seniors a chance to wear the uniform one more game, priceless!). Secondly, having a post season bowl game has now made these last 2 games actually mean something for teams that are already eliminated from the NCAA's (ie Hobart). This is great for players and fans alike. Finally, tradition is a sacred thing in sports, why not try to cultivate this game, perhaps it can grow into something special.
Quote from: Oline79 on November 02, 2017, 04:06:41 PM
First of all, I can't imagine there are many players at this level that wouldn't want to play one more game (giving seniors a chance to wear the uniform one more game, priceless!).
I'd agree with this sentiment, but we've seen schools decline to participate in ECAC games when eligible. Now, these decisions may be getting made at a level above players, but there doesn't always seem to be 100 percent support for this stuff.
Hey its the new star of the boards---
Good stuff Bombers- well done on quick hits!
Thanks, guys!
First time checking in all year. Catching up and want to make sure I have this right. RPai wins and they are in, which guarantees a Cortaca V2.0?
Call me crazy but I LOVE the idea of a Cortaca II. Rematch is great for the players and would allow alumni and fans a chance to go without most of the drunken nonsense.
Quote from: cstate19 on November 05, 2017, 07:50:11 PM
First time checking in all year. Catching up and want to make sure I have this right. RPai wins and they are in, which guarantees a Cortaca V2.0?
Call me crazy but I LOVE the idea of a Cortaca II. Rematch is great for the players and would allow alumni and fans a chance to go without most of the drunken nonsense.
So, an RPI win over Union gives Ithaca second place and acting as host for New York State Bowl 2017.
Let's say Bombers win Cortaca, breaking a seven-year jinx. Do you really think they'd want Cortland to return the very next week for a grudge match?
Now, if for some reason Cortland wins...Pep can see the Bombers saying, "Bring 'em back here and give us another shot at slaying them #$@*( Dragons!!
Is it possible for either team to decline the bowl game?
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 05, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
Quote from: cstate19 on November 05, 2017, 07:50:11 PM
First time checking in all year. Catching up and want to make sure I have this right. RPai wins and they are in, which guarantees a Cortaca V2.0?
Call me crazy but I LOVE the idea of a Cortaca II. Rematch is great for the players and would allow alumni and fans a chance to go without most of the drunken nonsense.
So, an RPI win over Union gives Ithaca second place and acting as host for New York State Bowl 2017.
Let's say Bombers win Cortaca, breaking a seven-year jinx. Do you really think they'd want Cortland to return the very next week for a grudge match?
Now, if for some reason Cortland wins...Pep can see the Bombers saying, "Bring 'em back here and give us another shot at slaying them #$@*( Dragons!!
Is it possible for either team to decline the bowl game?
Declining the game is an option for any participants. No word on if that will happen
Bombers- If you knew that the game would be a repeat of Cortaca would you decline if you were IC?
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 06, 2017, 08:45:57 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 05, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
Quote from: cstate19 on November 05, 2017, 07:50:11 PM
First time checking in all year. Catching up and want to make sure I have this right. RPai wins and they are in, which guarantees a Cortaca V2.0?
Call me crazy but I LOVE the idea of a Cortaca II. Rematch is great for the players and would allow alumni and fans a chance to go without most of the drunken nonsense.
So, an RPI win over Union gives Ithaca second place and acting as host for New York State Bowl 2017.
Let's say Bombers win Cortaca, breaking a seven-year jinx. Do you really think they'd want Cortland to return the very next week for a grudge match?
Now, if for some reason Cortland wins...Pep can see the Bombers saying, "Bring 'em back here and give us another shot at slaying them #$@*( Dragons!!
Is it possible for either team to decline the bowl game?
Declining the game is an option for any participants. No word on if that will happen
I would love Hobart to get into the NYS Bowl, but no chance unless 2 LL teams pass on it, then that would be embarrassing....Ithaca has had a successful season no matter what happens......very jealous :o
New coach- new system-and IC is back at it.
This turnaround is eye opening- Tho I do miss them in the E8
Salisbury not so much ;D
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 06, 2017, 10:48:36 AM
New coach- new system-and IC is back at it.
This turnaround is eye opening- Tho I do miss them in the E8
Salisbury not so much ;D
I guess that new defensive line coach is doing a heck of a job :) :)
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 06, 2017, 10:27:04 AM
Bombers- If you knew that the game would be a repeat of Cortaca would you decline if you were IC?
Absolutely.
From a logistical standpoint, Cortaca is just a bear to pull off. You'd have to plan to need a lot of volunteers, and IC is on Thanksgiving break that whole week. Having it two weeks in a row would be a lot to ask.
But honestly, I'm just not sure what the program gains from any game against an E8 opponent. You're not getting a shot to be measured against another conference—because you already know where you stand with them. You're not getting a chance to send your program to some recruiting area you want to establish a pipeline to. I'm not in the locker room, but I doubt they're champing at the bit to get another crack at Alfred. What does Ithaca gain from the game?
I'd send them to the ECACs if it were up to me. It's not, of course, so who knows what they'll do
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 06, 2017, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 06, 2017, 10:27:04 AM
Bombers- If you knew that the game would be a repeat of Cortaca would you decline if you were IC?
Absolutely.
From a logistical standpoint, Cortaca is just a bear to pull off. You'd have to plan to need a lot of volunteers, and IC is on Thanksgiving break that whole week. Having it two weeks in a row would be a lot to ask.
But honestly, I'm just not sure what the program gains from any game against an E8 opponent. You're not getting a shot to be measured against another conference—because you already know where you stand with them. You're not getting a chance to send your program to some recruiting area you want to establish a pipeline to. I'm not in the locker room, but I doubt they're champing at the bit to get another crack at Alfred. What does Ithaca gain from the game?
I'd send them to the ECACs if it were up to me. It's not, of course, so who knows what they'll do
Bombers - I think you are 100 % ICorrect
Absolutely spot on
A second game against Cortland wouldn't be Cortaca The Event, though. It would not require the same logistics to handle a third of the crowd.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2017, 02:23:36 PM
A second game against Cortland wouldn't be Cortaca The Event, though. It would not require the same logistics to handle a third of the crowd.
It's certainly possible we'd see a lower limit put on the number of tickets sold—otherwise you'd have to plan for such a crowd even if you "knew" it'd be smaller. Is there anything out there indicating that's what's going to happen? Have the conferences announced a cap on tickets?
But, suppose they did. That just reinforces my original belief, stated the day this game was announced. What's the buzz for a rematch? Not so much for the players, whose emotions I won't try to predict. But just overall. It's two weeks in a row, in front of a much smaller crowd, and doesn't even have the Jug at stake*? And, what if we took it a step further and imagined a scenario where, like Cortland, the Bombers know ahead of time that they're locked into this game?
*An assumption I am making based on the 1988 precedent.And just from a program standpoint, why would you not want to have your kids play in a Division 1 stadium, and Franklin Field? Why would you not want a chance to get your team and coaches more exposure in that area?
I realize that budgets are the obvious elephant in the room, but I don't have access to IC's budget, so I have no idea how it plays out. But if RPI wins next week, we'll see how it goes down
I wish I'd seen this before posting that screed. Ithaca has declared for the ECACs
http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx (http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx)
Of course, the date on this means it was done when IC was still in play for the 3rd spot in the LL, and thus not eligible for the NYS Bowl, and it never hurts to leave your options open. But, if RPI beats Union, I would not be surprised if the Bombers were in Delaware the next week.
Naturally, I'm assuming we're going to be in Salem in December, but Delaware's nice too
Quote from: cstate19 on November 05, 2017, 07:50:11 PM
First time checking in all year. Catching up and want to make sure I have this right. RPai wins and they are in, which guarantees a Cortaca V2.0?
Call me crazy but I LOVE the idea of a Cortaca II. Rematch is great for the players and would allow alumni and fans a chance to go without most of the drunken nonsense.
The last time we were talking about Cortaca II, Cortland ended up playing Dem Spicy Boyz. Does that mean that Union will win the Shoes?
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 06, 2017, 03:58:40 PM
I wish I'd seen this before posting that screed. Ithaca has declared for the ECACs
http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx (http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx)
Of course, the date on this means it was done when IC was still in play for the 3rd spot in the LL, and thus not eligible for the NYS Bowl, and it never hurts to leave your options open. But, if RPI beats Union, I would not be surprised if the Bombers were in Delaware the next week.
Naturally, I'm assuming we're going to be in Salem in December, but Delaware's nice too
Love your optimism!! +K
It's easy. After Union beats RPI this Saturday the Ithaca Bombers will be heading to New England to play WNE or Springfield, Union will be hosting Cortland in the NYS Bowl and RPI will play an ECAC game in the"Football Fest"in Delaware against the Salisbury/Frostburg loser.
Quote from: UfanBill on November 06, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
It's easy. After Union beats RPI this Saturday the Ithaca Bombers will be heading to New England to play WNE or Springfield, Union will be hosting Cortland in the NYS Bowl and RPI will play an ECAC game in the"Football Fest"in Delaware against the Salisbury/Frostburg loser.
As much as I love your prediction I'm scared of the RPI- Union game and even if Union were to win I fear that the Bombers would end up at Mount Union or Delaware Valley. As a 7-3/6-4 team (depending on Cortaca results) I would think the NCAA would make bombers play the #1 seed. I would love for you to be correct.
Quote from: UfanBill on November 06, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
It's easy. After Union beats RPI this Saturday the Ithaca Bombers will be heading to New England to play WNE or Springfield, Union will be hosting Cortland in the NYS Bowl and RPI will play an ECAC game in the"Football Fest"in Delaware against the Salisbury/Frostburg loser.
I didn't mean to slight the Statesmen Bartman since they beat RPI, but as of now Hobart has not declared interest in the Football Fest. For that matter neither has Union. It would be a shame if the Dutchmen don't participate in the post season following this sensational comeback season.
Quote from: UfanBill on November 06, 2017, 06:03:47 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 06, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
It's easy. After Union beats RPI this Saturday the Ithaca Bombers will be heading to New England to play WNE or Springfield, Union will be hosting Cortland in the NYS Bowl and RPI will play an ECAC game in the"Football Fest"in Delaware against the Salisbury/Frostburg loser.
I didn't mean to slight the Statesmen Bartman since they beat RPI, but as of now Hobart has not declared interest in the Football Fest. For that matter neither has Union. It would be a shame if the Dutchmen don't participate in the post season following this sensational comeback season.
I think Union is counting on beating RPI and playing in the bowl game.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2017, 02:23:36 PM
A second game against Cortland wouldn't be Cortaca The Event, though. It would not require the same logistics to handle a third of the crowd.
Completely agree. bet it draws much closer to 3,000 than 10,000.
Quote from: south hill observer on November 06, 2017, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 06, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
It's easy. After Union beats RPI this Saturday the Ithaca Bombers will be heading to New England to play WNE or Springfield, Union will be hosting Cortland in the NYS Bowl and RPI will play an ECAC game in the"Football Fest"in Delaware against the Salisbury/Frostburg loser.
As much as I love your prediction I'm scared of the RPI- Union game and even if Union were to win I fear that the Bombers would end up at Mount Union or Delaware Valley. As a 7-3/6-4 team (depending on Cortaca results) I would think the NCAA would make bombers play the #1 seed. I would love for you to be correct.
I think heading to Mount Union would be awesome. IDK, there's something about a game where everyone "knows" you're going to lose, and even if you do, you just throw everything you can at them. I loved, loved, loved, that Mount's first-string defense in 2007 went the whole regular season not allowing a TD, and then Ithaca hit them up for three. The loss wasn't even that big a deal to me. I know that team was better than this team, but there's something fun about those types of games
Hobart has a "policy" against participating in ECACs, kind of unofficial, but it's a "since we can't do it for all sports, we can't just do it for football" kind of deal. Last time they participated was in 2003 I think. Not sure if Union has the same situation, but they certainly could file given the school's overall resources.
If IC wins the LL, you can almost guarantee they'll be shipped to Alliance. If RPI does, they are just beyond the 500 mile limit to MU, so a trip down to Doylestown would be much more likely.
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 07, 2017, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 06, 2017, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 06, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
It's easy. After Union beats RPI this Saturday the Ithaca Bombers will be heading to New England to play WNE or Springfield, Union will be hosting Cortland in the NYS Bowl and RPI will play an ECAC game in the"Football Fest"in Delaware against the Salisbury/Frostburg loser.
As much as I love your prediction I'm scared of the RPI- Union game and even if Union were to win I fear that the Bombers would end up at Mount Union or Delaware Valley. As a 7-3/6-4 team (depending on Cortaca results) I would think the NCAA would make bombers play the #1 seed. I would love for you to be correct.
I think heading to Mount Union would be awesome. IDK, there's something about a game where everyone "knows" you're going to lose, and even if you do, you just throw everything you can at them. I loved, loved, loved, that Mount's first-string defense in 2007 went the whole regular season not allowing a TD, and then Ithaca hit them up for three. The loss wasn't even that big a deal to me. I know that team was better than this team, but there's something fun about those types of games
Pep understands that the 2016 Mount Union team, according to Raider fans, was sub-par; but it sure was fun, despite digging a big hole, to see the Saxons (or should Pep say Tyler Johnson) hang 45 points on the Mount!! SO what if the Raiders scored 212!!!
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 07, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 07, 2017, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 06, 2017, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 06, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
It's easy. After Union beats RPI this Saturday the Ithaca Bombers will be heading to New England to play WNE or Springfield, Union will be hosting Cortland in the NYS Bowl and RPI will play an ECAC game in the"Football Fest"in Delaware against the Salisbury/Frostburg loser.
As much as I love your prediction I'm scared of the RPI- Union game and even if Union were to win I fear that the Bombers would end up at Mount Union or Delaware Valley. As a 7-3/6-4 team (depending on Cortaca results) I would think the NCAA would make bombers play the #1 seed. I would love for you to be correct.
I think heading to Mount Union would be awesome. IDK, there's something about a game where everyone "knows" you're going to lose, and even if you do, you just throw everything you can at them. I loved, loved, loved, that Mount's first-string defense in 2007 went the whole regular season not allowing a TD, and then Ithaca hit them up for three. The loss wasn't even that big a deal to me. I know that team was better than this team, but there's something fun about those types of games
Pep understands that the 2016 Mount Union team, according to Raider fans, was sub-par; but it sure was fun, despite digging a big hole, to see the Saxons (or should Pep say Tyler Johnson) hang 45 points on the Mount!! SO what if the Raiders scored 212!!!
I would assume according to their standards, it's championship or bust. However, I agree with you, that was the most points given up since their drubbing to UWW some year's ago.
Quote from: Bartman on November 01, 2017, 01:24:58 PM
All right, I have never started a topic before...so I hope I am doing this right....Before the 11/4 weekend there are 4 teams from the Liberty League(Union, Ithaca,RPI and Hobart ) and 6 teams from the E8 (Brockport, Alfred,Cortland,Hartwick,Utica and St.John Fisher) that can finish in second place , or tied for second place in their respective leagues and represent themselves in the Inaugural New York State Bowl(not totally sure on tie breakers)....there are 2 very interesting scenarios in each league where I think it is possible if Union and Brockport win out, that second place could be a three way tie at 3-2 in the LL and a 5 way tie in the E8 at 4-3, and tie breaker hell unfolds ???....in any event, my question is who do you think will be in the NYS Bowl, played at the LL participant's home field?
My guess is Alfred(5-2 in E8) vs. Hobart(3-2 in LL) at the Boz ( I need Union to win out)
So I need to revise my forecast...it looks like Cortland is in the NYS Bowl no matter what the outcome of Cortcaca ...and they will play either Ithaca(again) or Union if Union wins the Shoes....my thinking is RPI wins the Shoes(the good Engineers have to play,though) and gets the NCAA Pool A, and Ithaca gets a back to back with the Red Dragons....hmm not sure that's what the Bowl planners had in mind....might Ithaca and/or Cortland pass on such a game now that there is a 50/50 chance for a do over game? Union winning the Shoes solves everything(except for the Engineers)....ECAC game for the non NCAA/NYS Bowl LL member ?
Quote from Bartman..."ECAC game for the non NCAA/NYS Bowl LL member?"...If Union loses the shoes game they will be 7-3/3-2 LL in 3rd place. I certainly hope they would participate in the ECAC Football Fest in Delaware. To my knowledge they still have not declared interest in selection for one of these games. I tried to contact the AD to get his comment but I have not been contacted back. If Union wins the shoes RPI has declared for the ECAC. That would be the best case scenario, three LL teams in the post season. That's what the league should strive for every year. It would be a mistake in my opinion if Liberty League teams Union, Hobart, whoever, opt out of the Football Fest. It would certainly torpedo my suggestion that the LL/E8 might host the Football Fest, possibly at the Carrier Dome(that might prove impossible because of the high school playoffs) or maybe Cornell's Schoelkopt Field.
I have a feeling Union is going to be in the NYS Bowl game.
Read the tea leaves. You have a new head coach at Ithaca who wants to build this program back up into something big. A rematch game—even with Cortland—is not going to help that. You've got a chance every year to beat Cortland.
I've bagged on the ECAC games before, but this football fest is different. I'm guessing it's something that high school players and coaches in the area are going to check out. It's a chance to expose your program to kids who you might only get a few touchpoints with. IC has declared for the ECACs. Yes, they did it when 3rd place in the LL was a possibility, but I think that's telling.
Union vs. Cortland would be a good game IMO. I do think some folks are under-estimating the Dutchmen a little bit, but we'll find out Saturday. RPI has been a bit jekyl and hyde at times, but this new FY QB is the real deal and their defense can do a lot of the same things we saw the Bombers D successfully do last wkd.
Quote from: ITH radio on November 09, 2017, 12:10:29 PM
Union vs. Cortland would be a good game IMO. I do think some folks are under-estimating the Dutchmen a little bit, but we'll find out Saturday. RPI has been a bit jekyl and hyde at times, but this new FY QB is the real deal and their defense can do a lot of the same things we saw the Bombers D successfully do last wkd.
I just don't know what to think about RPI. Their two losses make no sense to me.
Buff State has lost against the four best teams in the E8 by 18, 22, 26, and 33 points. How did RPI just no-show in the 2nd half against them? And the Hobart game. Union jumped all over them. Ithaca played them back and forth. RPI never really even threatened.
It probably had something to do with a QB injury / transition.
Trimpert had 3 INTs and passed for about 40% in the BSC and HOB losses. Marinopolous starts the IC game and has passed for 7 TDs and 1 INT since.
Quote from: ITH radio on November 09, 2017, 12:56:23 PM
It probably had something to do with a QB injury / transition.
Trimpert had 3 INTs and passed for about 40% in the BSC and HOB losses. Marinopolous starts the IC game and has passed for 7 TDs and 1 INT since.
Yeah, dlip thinks this is a great point ITH. Marinopolus is a very good player and dlip is really looking forward to seeing him in person on Saturday. dlip is really happy for him (being a local kid and all) and will be a fan for his for years in Troylet. Dlip repeats his earlier setiments that he hopes the entire Engineer team falls on their asses come Saturday. NCAA spoiler and NYS Bowl or bust for the Dutchmen!!!!!
With that being said and in all seriousness, win or lose this has been an incredible year and turnaround for the Dutchmen. Coaches Behrman, Sanders, and Martin have people believing that this program has really turned around, and not for one year. There is so much to be proud of as a Dutchmen fan here in 2017!
NYS Bowl is Official:
Cortland St. Red Dragons vs. The Dutchmen of Union
Liberty League to Crush the E8 , record between leagues is 7-8 so far...a Dutchmen win evens it to 8-8 and next year we get Buff State and will dominate in 2018 ;D
Yep. The Bombers did not want to play in a rematch game (any rematch game, not just Cortaca II)
I said at the beginning of the season when this was announced that they were going to run into issues with rematches—though I didn't know at the time you could decline the game. For Ithaca especially, it's absurd to think they'd derive value in playing two games in one season against teams they've been playing annually for a long time.
So, we'll see what this game brings. Two teams, both coming off rivalry game losses, I'm interested in seeing the energy level
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 13, 2017, 09:19:37 AM
Yep. The Bombers did not want to play in a rematch game (any rematch game, not just Cortaca II)
I said at the beginning of the season when this was announced that they were going to run into issues with rematches—though I didn't know at the time you could decline the game. For Ithaca especially, it's absurd to think they'd derive value in playing two games in one season against teams they've been playing annually for a long time.
So, we'll see what this game brings. Two teams, both coming off rivalry game losses, I'm interested in seeing the energy level
Bombers,
Are you saying the T-shirt concession may not run out of 500 t-shirts? I would think the Union crowd will be pumped....not so much the red dragons....I think you may be right that this bowl could be awkward if LL/E8 keep scheduling convenient OOC games....but I ,for one, wish Hobart was playing in it and I had the inaugural t-shirt ;) PS, good luck to the Bombers on their ECAC match
Bartman,
If its T-shirt selling you want.....
Im sure there are plenty of Cuck Fortland ts still floating around.
It gets harder to reproduce some of the LL teams tho...
Union wont work----Funion?
Now Hobart on the other hand.....
Fobart?
;D
Quote from: Bartman on November 12, 2017, 07:58:49 PM
NYS Bowl is Official:
Cortland St. Red Dragons vs. The Dutchmen of Union
Liberty League to Crush the E8 , record between leagues is 7-8 so far...a Dutchmen win evens it to 8-8 and next year we get Buff State and will dominate in 2018 ;D
Buffalo State isn't coming on board until 2019.
Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 13, 2017, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: Bartman on November 12, 2017, 07:58:49 PM
NYS Bowl is Official:
Cortland St. Red Dragons vs. The Dutchmen of Union
Liberty League to Crush the E8 , record between leagues is 7-8 so far...a Dutchmen win evens it to 8-8 and next year we get Buff State and will dominate in 2018 ;D
Buffalo State isn't coming on board until 2019.
Caz Bombers,
Thanks for the correction, my bad.......but hoping for domination in OOC contests in 2018 none the less.
Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 13, 2017, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: Bartman on November 12, 2017, 07:58:49 PM
NYS Bowl is Official:
Cortland St. Red Dragons vs. The Dutchmen of Union
Liberty League to Crush the E8 , record between leagues is 7-8 so far...a Dutchmen win evens it to 8-8 and next year we get Buff State and will dominate in 2018 ;D
Buffalo State isn't coming on board until 2019.
That is correct !!
Good luck to both teams in the Inaugural Bowl.....predicting Union over Cortland 24-21 which will even the LL/E8 results for the year 8-8...hopeful for Brockport and RPI wins in the NCAA's and if RPI pulls off the big upset, we can have the NYS Bowl II ;D
Quote from: Bartman on November 17, 2017, 11:41:22 AM
Good luck to both teams in the Inaugural Bowl.....predicting Union over Cortland 24-21 which will even the LL/E8 results for the year 8-8...hopeful for Brockport and RPI wins in the NCAA's and if RPI pulls off the big upset, we can have the NYS Bowl II ;D
Bartman. I like your thinking. I was hoping for NY Bowl 1A this weekend. But alas NCAA travel rules and whatever ( thanks to the excellent explanation/prediction by D3 Sports Guru gordonmann) Brockport hosts a NE school and RPI gets sent to the "dirty south" (well not really, because I guess Delaware is east of the Mason Dixon line even though is appears to be on the same latitudinal plane as MD. I don't really think of Delaware as a southern state, but it's fun to think of Wesley that way, because they are a tough team) And south can be a relative term which it is in this case.
Man, sometimes we sound like a bunch of nerds.
But at the same time while I think RPI/Brockport may have been an ideal first round matchup. But I think Brockport themselves and maybe even me at this point would rather see a Brockport Wesley second round clash. Wesley as a playoff veteran may look at Brockport as a fly to be swatted as they pursue higher program goals of a National Championship. Brockport is "new money" to them. (Even tho Brockport and Wesley played 6 times in the early/ mid 2000's and they split the games 3-3. Not like Wesley dominated them back then). Brockport certainly has had the coaching and talent to match up evenly with them in the past. Brockport while claiming to have National Championship aspirations, really would need to start the ball by knocking off a perennial and well respected eastern Power first.
That sounds eerily like when Fisher played (and thoroughly dominated) Rowan.
Rowan was the beast of the east and in order for the new guard to go thru- It had to be thru them....Albeit in the comfy confines of Growney.
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2017, 12:32:00 PM
That sounds eerily like when Fisher played (and thoroughly dominated) Rowan.
Rowan was the beast of the east and in order for the new guard to go thru- It had to be thru them....Albeit in the comfy confines of Growney.
St.John Fisher played and dominated "the beast of the East" Rowan
ONCE in 2006(arguably your best team ever). That was the only time they played so there's not a lot to go on there. D3viewer is referring to a time when Brockport and Wesley were members of the same league, the ACFC. Wesley has taken the role of beast from Rowan recently.
Talking about tomorrow's inaugural New York State Bowl...these games can be tricky to predict. Are Cortland or Union really committed to giving their best effort? They're both coming of disappointing rivalry game losses. Speaking for the Dutchmen, they've had three tough games in a row, Hobart, Ithaca and RPI. They haven't really showed me the emotion or spirit I'd like to see so will they be up for Cortland? Defensively they have played well but the offense has been stagnant. Much of that can be attributed to the great D played by their opponents but I worry that they again will be challenged to score points. Ithaca threw the ball with great success against Cortland last week. Union will have to step up their passing attack to do the same. The weather may be nasty so whose O-line plays the best will be crucial. Will either team be playing a lot of younger players to gauge what they'll have next season? Union has used many freshmen a lot already and starting QB Nick Cascione has another year but it wouldn't be a surprise if coach Behrman looks at other QBs. The team that can get fired up to play, will win. Since Union's home I'm with Bartman on this, a 3 point Union victory... 13-10. It probably won't be pretty.
So as dlip sits in NJ at his daughter's cheer competition his thoughts are wondering to Frank Bailey field where he would have had his and rlip's chairs out by now for at least an hour. Dlip doesn't really know what to think about today's match-up against Cortland. He'll just mirror UfanBill's thoughts and go with a 3 point win only he'll say it can go either way. Like UfanBill said much will depend on who wants to be here and who is motivated to get the W. dlip thinks the young Dutchmen may have more to play for (still trying to prove they are back for good) but one never knows.
Regarding the QB situation at Union there is certainly a lot to think about. To dlip JR Nick Cascione has overachieved this year but the seemingly very talented Frosh Will Bellemy sits patiently waiting to sow his stuff. Great question UfanBill. Dlip wishes he was there to watch with you pal.
What happened to the Dutchmen? :o
Quote from: Bartman on November 18, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
What happened to the Dutchmen? :o
I mean, Cortland's pretty good. In many ways, this is kind of what you'd expect from a team like Union that's rebuilding. They went 7-4, but they lost to the toughest teams on their schedule—Hobart excepted. Reminds me a bit of the first year Alfred showed up on the radar, in 2004. They went 8-3, but lost to the top three teams in the conference. You could see the pieces, but they weren't all in place.
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 20, 2017, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: Bartman on November 18, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
What happened to the Dutchmen? :o
I mean, Cortland's pretty good. In many ways, this is kind of what you'd expect from a team like Union that's rebuilding. They went 7-4, but they lost to the toughest teams on their schedule—Hobart excepted. Reminds me a bit of the first year Alfred showed up on the radar, in 2004. They went 8-3, but lost to the top three teams in the conference. You could see the pieces, but they weren't all in place.
All true.. my post was when Union was behind 28-7 and it looked hopeless, they scratched back, so good sign for Union's attitude.....Cortland offense was solid, so no surprise there ....I was hoping for an 8-8 with the E8, but 6-8 with the best team in Brockport getting 3 of the E8 wins is decent....I think the LL and E8 will be fairly even next year...we will see...I guess the NYS Bowl will continue
If Hobart beats SLU I think you see them at Cortland on 11/17 b/c IC takes the ECAC bid having already played them (like what happened in 2017).
Quote from: ITH radio on November 06, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
If Hobart beats SLU I think you see them at Cortland on 11/17 b/c IC takes the ECAC bid having already played them (like what happened in 2017).
Outside chance IC gets a Pool C by beating Cortland or does Muhlenberg have it? If IC does not make dance, I would think they go for ECAC as you suggest. A Cortland -Hobart game would be awesome for Hobart to really measure where they have come since the drubbing by Bport in first week. They have to beat SLU though, who seems to have improved over the season. If Hobart loses they finish 4-5 and 2-3 in the LL. It would be the first losing season since Coach Cragg's first year in 1995. No pressure on DeWall :o.
Quote from: Bartman on November 07, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 06, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
If Hobart beats SLU I think you see them at Cortland on 11/17 b/c IC takes the ECAC bid having already played them (like what happened in 2017).
Outside chance IC gets a Pool C by beating Cortland or does Muhlenberg have it? If IC does not make dance, I would think they go for ECAC as you suggest. A Cortland -Hobart game would be awesome for Hobart to really measure where they have come since the drubbing by Bport in first week. They have to beat SLU though, who seems to have improved over the season. If Hobart loses they finish 4-5 and 2-3 in the LL. It would be the first losing season since Coach Cragg's first year in 1995. No pressure on DeWall :o.
I hope Hobart has a short memory, last week ended on a very sour note. This young team has started to really come together the last 4 weeks (despite the results on the scoreboard). I also am looking forward to seeing a little more of our Freshman QB on the field, not sure if Hoffman's shoiulder is still injured, but he didn't have the zip on the ball that he has had in other games. Cortland-Hobart would be a great match up
Quote from: Bartman on November 07, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 06, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
If Hobart beats SLU I think you see them at Cortland on 11/17 b/c IC takes the ECAC bid having already played them (like what happened in 2017).
Outside chance IC gets a Pool C by beating Cortland or does Muhlenberg have it? If IC does not make dance, I would think they go for ECAC as you suggest. A Cortland -Hobart game would be awesome for Hobart to really measure where they have come since the drubbing by Bport in first week. They have to beat SLU though, who seems to have improved over the season. If Hobart loses they finish 4-5 and 2-3 in the LL. It would be the first losing season since Coach Cragg's first year in 1995. No pressure on DeWall :o.
I don't think IC will get a Pool C - field is too full this season for a 2 loss team. I do see them being a host for one of the ECAC bowl games, as they have a bid in and are probably the best team on that board (at least based on who's likely available after Wk 11).
Quote from: Oline89 on November 07, 2018, 11:09:44 AM
Quote from: Bartman on November 07, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 06, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
If Hobart beats SLU I think you see them at Cortland on 11/17 b/c IC takes the ECAC bid having already played them (like what happened in 2017).
Outside chance IC gets a Pool C by beating Cortland or does Muhlenberg have it? If IC does not make dance, I would think they go for ECAC as you suggest. A Cortland -Hobart game would be awesome for Hobart to really measure where they have come since the drubbing by Bport in first week. They have to beat SLU though, who seems to have improved over the season. If Hobart loses they finish 4-5 and 2-3 in the LL. It would be the first losing season since Coach Cragg's first year in 1995. No pressure on DeWall :o.
I hope Hobart has a short memory, last week ended on a very sour note. This young team has started to really come together the last 4 weeks (despite the results on the scoreboard). I also am looking forward to seeing a little more of our Freshman QB on the field, not sure if Hoffman's shoiulder is still injured, but he didn't have the zip on the ball that he has had in other games. Cortland-Hobart would be a great match up
Oline,
Not that it matters now, but wanted your opinion on the refs call where the Hofman pass was ruled a fumble. It looked live on Saturday like the throwing motion was started and I just watched it again on the Ithaca site and it looked to me that he started his throwing motion, then it was swatted by IC defender. It was a bang-bang play, but that was a pretty big turning point in the game. Hobart was close enough for a Hackett field goal with the wind behind him. No matter now, just wanted to get another opinion.
As far as the balance of the season, it would be great to get a shot at Cortland, I think it would be a real opportunity for this young team and for the Seniors to go out on a positive note.
Quote from: Bartman on November 07, 2018, 02:39:25 PM
Quote from: Oline89 on November 07, 2018, 11:09:44 AM
Quote from: Bartman on November 07, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 06, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
If Hobart beats SLU I think you see them at Cortland on 11/17 b/c IC takes the ECAC bid having already played them (like what happened in 2017).
Outside chance IC gets a Pool C by beating Cortland or does Muhlenberg have it? If IC does not make dance, I would think they go for ECAC as you suggest. A Cortland -Hobart game would be awesome for Hobart to really measure where they have come since the drubbing by Bport in first week. They have to beat SLU though, who seems to have improved over the season. If Hobart loses they finish 4-5 and 2-3 in the LL. It would be the first losing season since Coach Cragg's first year in 1995. No pressure on DeWall :o.
I hope Hobart has a short memory, last week ended on a very sour note. This young team has started to really come together the last 4 weeks (despite the results on the scoreboard). I also am looking forward to seeing a little more of our Freshman QB on the field, not sure if Hoffman's shoiulder is still injured, but he didn't have the zip on the ball that he has had in other games. Cortland-Hobart would be a great match up
Oline,
Not that it matters now, but wanted your opinion on the refs call where the Hofman pass was ruled a fumble. It looked live on Saturday like the throwing motion was started and I just watched it again on the Ithaca site and it looked to me that he started his throwing motion, then it was swatted by IC defender. It was a bang-bang play, but that was a pretty big turning point in the game. Hobart was close enough for a Hackett field goal with the wind behind him. No matter now, just wanted to get another opinion.
As far as the balance of the season, it would be great to get a shot at Cortland, I think it would be a real opportunity for this young team and for the Seniors to go out on a positive note.
B-Man, I was in the stands as well, and also saw the play on video. The refs did not blow a whistle, and credit to Ithaca, they jumped on the ball. Hobart players were all around it and just reacted as if it were an incomplete pass. That being said, back in the dark ages, before instant replay (where D3 remains stuck), anytime a pass went forward and passed the line of scrimmage, it was an incomplete pass. It is a physical impossibility for the ball to travel 10 yards forward in the air on a fumble. Hoffman was throwing the ball and the D-lineman hit his arm. IMO Hobart got screwed on their one drive that had any momentum.
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If Hobart beats SLU I think you see them at Cortland on 11/17 b/c IC takes the ECAC bid having already played them (like what happened in 2017).
Outside chance IC gets a Pool C by beating Cortland or does Muhlenberg have it? If IC does not make dance, I would think they go for ECAC as you suggest. A Cortland -Hobart game would be awesome for Hobart to really measure where they have come since the drubbing by Bport in first week. They have to beat SLU though, who seems to have improved over the season. If Hobart loses they finish 4-5 and 2-3 in the LL. It would be the first losing season since Coach Cragg's first year in 1995. No pressure on DeWall :o.
I hope Hobart has a short memory, last week ended on a very sour note. This young team has started to really come together the last 4 weeks (despite the results on the scoreboard). I also am looking forward to seeing a little more of our Freshman QB on the field, not sure if Hoffman's shoiulder is still injured, but he didn't have the zip on the ball that he has had in other games. Cortland-Hobart would be a great match up
Oline,
Not that it matters now, but wanted your opinion on the refs call where the Hofman pass was ruled a fumble. It looked live on Saturday like the throwing motion was started and I just watched it again on the Ithaca site and it looked to me that he started his throwing motion, then it was swatted by IC defender. It was a bang-bang play, but that was a pretty big turning point in the game. Hobart was close enough for a Hackett field goal with the wind behind him. No matter now, just wanted to get another opinion.
As far as the balance of the season, it would be great to get a shot at Cortland, I think it would be a real opportunity for this young team and for the Seniors to go out on a positive note.
B-Man, I was in the stands as well, and also saw the play on video. The refs did not blow a whistle, and credit to Ithaca, they jumped on the ball. Hobart players were all around it and just reacted as if it were an incomplete pass. That being said, back in the dark ages, before instant replay (where D3 remains stuck), anytime a pass went forward and passed the line of scrimmage, it was an incomplete pass. It is a physical impossibility for the ball to travel 10 yards forward in the air on a fumble. Hoffman was throwing the ball and the D-lineman hit his arm. IMO Hobart got screwed on their one drive that had any momentum.
OK, I'm not crazy. The only problem is that after the interception it would have been third down and 24 to go. They probably would not have gotten a first down (but who knows), but they would have had a good chance for a field goal. I hate to see such a tight game be impacted by a bad call. Oh well, good luck to Ithaca.
It's release has been delayed but we got the clip of the pass / fumble and reviewed it in our "host chat" show, now due out tmw. It was a terrible call by the ref and definitively changed the game.
ITH,
I think you reported on your blog that the LL declined to participate in the NY State Bowl, why was this decided so late? I assume this was voted on by the football members? Do you have any additional information? If this is true, I guess this goes in the record books as the shortest running post season contest.
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ITH,
I think you reported on your blog that the LL declined to participate in the NY State Bowl, why was this decided so late? I assume this was voted on by the football members? Do you have any additional information? If this is true, I guess this goes in the record books as the shortest running post season contest.
So, if I am interpreting this correctly, the LL declined to participate in the NY Bowl game, not the individual schools? If it is LL, then we need new governance. Not only is it depriving the LL team from attending the game, but it is totally screwing the Cortland team from playing a post season game. If it is an individual school (Hobart!?) from sending a team, it is an equally pathetic and weak decision. I have posted this before but will state it a again: Football offseason/preseason and practice is miserable, long, and grueling. Playing in a football game is an exhilarating, strenuous, and unique experience that is unequaled in any other sport. It happens only 9-10 times a year for the elite group of athletes that have spent the other 355 days preparing.
Even tho the NY Bowl may be dead, it was kinda beset with issues from the beginning. Like last season, the spectre of Cortaca 2 loomed over the final results. This problem probably won't go away, as those 2 programs will most likely be in the running every year. Also, with the crossover of LL/E8 reg season games, the prospect of a new matchup was limited (no new information here). So, too bad for the prospective teams this season, but there may be an overall silver lining
If Brockport and RPI can get past their 1st round matchups in the NCAA tourney, we can be treated to a true NY Bowl, pitting the actual winners of the LL and E8 in a meaningful game. Made that much more interesting in that they haven't faced each other (in a long time ?). This is much more interesting game as far as I'm concerned. I was hoping RPI and Brockport would meet so the Upstate title can be incorporated into the National playoffs. Others may disagree, but I like the prospect of these 2 teams playing each other in the "true" NY Bowl game.
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Even tho the NY Bowl may be dead, it was kinda beset with issues from the beginning....with the crossover of LL/E8 reg season games, the prospect of a new matchup was limited (no new information here).
This. A million times this. Look, maybe IC was unique in this, and certainly playing Cortland again is different from playing Alfred twice, but 12 of the 23 non-conference games played by E8 teams this year were against LL teams. I'd be stunned if IC was the only program thinking a rematch wasn't in its best interest.
I know it will never happen, for all the obvious reasons, but the two conferences simply should become one conference, with two divisions, and have the 10th game be a conference title game.
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Even tho the NY Bowl may be dead, it was kinda beset with issues from the beginning....with the crossover of LL/E8 reg season games, the prospect of a new matchup was limited (no new information here).
This. A million times this. Look, maybe IC was unique in this, and certainly playing Cortland again is different from playing Alfred twice, but 12 of the 23 non-conference games played by E8 teams this year were against LL teams. I'd be stunned if IC was the only program thinking a rematch wasn't in its best interest.
I know it will never happen, for all the obvious reasons, but the two conferences simply should become one conference, with two divisions, and have the 10th game be a conference title game.
Nice concept, but why give up 2 automatic bids to the NCAAs? If rules are changed to give the automatic bid to 8 member leagues only, then make the super conference. Regarding the NY State Bowl, since all the AD's, HCOF's agreed to this 2 years ago, find a way to get it done. Are the NE, MAC and Centennial Conference teams really more committed to their players, parents and fans than LL or E8? If we prefer the NESCAC model, then fine. Just don't commit to something you are not going to see to completion (I sound like a football coach in preseason!!!).
Tracy relayed to us that he'd have to cancel his appearance on our show to announce the game b/c IC was passing on playing Cortland again (which they obviously did and took the ECAC bid we previewed earlier today), Hobart was passing on the game and Union hadn't planned on getting the bid so they weren't planning on playing either.
Not sure why Brian Miller would renege on it, especially since we know there was money set aside for the game if Hobart made it. Saying it was for financial or other reasons isn't accurate in my opinion. Honestly, it's a shame that the players, especially the seniors don't get that 10th and one extra game.
2010 was a pretty bad year for the Statesmen, but with this mess at the back end, probably takes it.
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Nice concept, but why give up 2 automatic bids to the NCAAs?
This is the obvious reason why I know it will never happen.
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Regarding the NY State Bowl, since all the AD's, HCOF's agreed to this 2 years ago, find a way to get it done. Just don't commit to something you are not going to see to completion (I sound like a football coach in preseason!!!).
What transpired would seem to indicate that, in fact, there
wasn't universal agreement/commitment from coaches or ADs. This wasn't just IC balking at "Cortaca II". (Which is really a whole different thing, that really anyone could have seen was going to be an issue).
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Tracy relayed to us that he'd have to cancel his appearance on our show to announce the game b/c IC was passing on playing Cortland again (which they obviously did and took the ECAC bid we previewed earlier today), Hobart was passing on the game and Union hadn't planned on getting the bid so they weren't planning on playing either.
Not sure why Brian Miller would renege on it, especially since we know there was money set aside for the game if Hobart made it. Saying it was for financial or other reasons isn't accurate in my opinion. Honestly, it's a shame that the players, especially the seniors don't get that 10th and one extra game.
2010 was a pretty bad year for the Statesmen, but with this mess at the back end, probably takes it.
ITH,
I assume you meant 2018 and not 2010, for the "pretty bad year". I think this is rather a harsh assessment(although maybe you intended it for the administration issues on homecoming and the NYS Bowl) ....true Endicott was a bad loss and Brockport played a perfect game against Hobart. But this team has improved over the season on both sides of the ball( The defense was particularly strong in the IC game) and were close in both the RPI and IC games despite some bad calls against us at critical times in both games.I think we will see some significant improvement in the win column next year.
2010 and 2018 were "pretty bad years" to me in terms of the team ending up with 5-4 records and having to deal with a couple of internal team issues. The good news after the 2010 season was those issues were worked out and the team went on a pretty amazing run. I'm hopeful we'll see that in 2019.
This August I predicted Hobart would go 6-3 in the preseason kickoff rankings based on how much turnover and youth there was on the roster, especially compared to some SR heavy teams like BP, RPI and IC. Finishing below that mark, to me, is not a "good year", even if the team made overall strides, which they obviously did.
That said Hobart was only a few plays away from being 9-1, and while the Endicott loss stings the most, at the end of the day, the Gulls actually are one of the better NE teams (which Kevin deserves credit for helping to build), so it should be looked at with some perspective.
I agree with you that the 2018 Statesmen team steadily improved over the course of the season and probably would have had a very good shot of beating Cortland and being 6-4 if given the chance to play them on Saturday. The administration's handling of Homecoming and the Bowl game should be harshly criticized however. If I was an opposing coach I'd point these things out to a player I was after and convince them Hobart isn't serious about football. We know that's not the case, which is why the bowl decision is even more vexing.
Coach DeWall and his staff had a lot of overcome based on what I witnessed in person at the BP game. The job they've done getting this team better each week has been great to see, but at the end of the day, the W/L record is what it is. We know the Statesmen have the potential to be better, but I'm sorry if this does come off as harsh, but 5-4 isn't good enough (and I'm sure it's not for the coaching staff either, they hate to lose more than any of us, I'm sure).
So while I'm disappointed how things turned out this season - some kick in the gut losses, bad refs, no-10th game or homecoming game opportunity, bailing on a viable bowl game the week before after the HC is telling the kids they'll have a shot to play in it - I am optimistic for the future of the program.
The only caveat is this is assuming the new leadership that's coming to HWS gives Kevin chances to go out and be successful. So far the "leadership" I've seen since Gearan moved on has me really concerned, honestly.
Well, I opened this topic, and I think it is time to close it. Unfortunately, while the idea was worthy, the execution has had many issues( Ithaca and Cortland not wanting to play agin, ECAC alternative or perhaps teams that just feel the NCAAs are the real prize). I think the LL coaches and ADs need to either commit or focus on the ECACs. As a fan, I love to see the season extended, but it should be about the student athletes and not me. As a Hobart fan I am now of the opinion that it should be the LL title and the NCAAs or bust. Team excellence often runs in cycles, and Hobart certainly has had its share over the last 20 years and I hope it will return to the league title because based on the talent returning and DeWall and staff recruiting efforts (heck, the next Marpet or Coleman may be in the pipeline now), we should be the favorite in 2019. I think it is best for the LL to have as many competitive teams as possible and fight for the title, just as it was this year. The NCAA tournament appearance is the goal , IMHO. Congratulations to RPI for reaching the goal and good luck in the NCAAs.
I agree the member schools need to decide and commit to it either way. IMO, the NCAA or bust is a bad option for a program when there was a sanctioned and agreed upon game by the member schools of the LL. Maybe it'll be easier to coordinate next season with Buff St in, but who knows?
I don't think Hobart should "excuse itself" from participating if the game is retained as it'll detract from recruiting and building a stronger program. Another week of practice and game against Cortland tmw would have been a great experience, win or lose. The school is hurting it's own student athletes with this take it or leave it stance.
Going to resurrect this topic as supposedly the LL plans to try having the NYS Bowl game. I think this could be a great opportunity to see a solid match-up between the 2nd (or 3rd) best LL and E8 teams. If Union loses to IC Saturday they'd be the likely LL pick, but if they retained the Shoes in the season finale, I could see them passing on the game and Hobart getting it.
E8 participants could be Cortland, Alfred or Brockport. Obviously we wouldn't see a BP-HOB rematch, but any version of Union vs. Alfred, Cortland or BP / HOB vs. Cortland or Alfred would be great games and an added bonus to each program's SR classes.
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Going to resurrect this topic as supposedly the LL plans to try having the NYS Bowl game. I think this could be a great opportunity to see a solid match-up between the 2nd (or 3rd) best LL and E8 teams. If Union loses to IC Saturday they'd be the likely LL pick, but if they retained the Shoes in the season finale, I could see them passing on the game and Hobart getting it.
E8 participants could be Cortland, Alfred or Brockport. Obviously we wouldn't see a BP-HOB rematch, but any version of Union vs. Alfred, Cortland or BP / HOB vs. Cortland or Alfred would be great games and an added bonus to each program's SR classes.
I think the game at Cornell was pretty cool too. Of course it is much more convenient to Ithaca than other schools, but a game in the Dome or Cornell has a nice post season feel to it. Two cool stadiums to have a game in as well.
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Going to resurrect this topic as supposedly the LL plans to try having the NYS Bowl game. I think this could be a great opportunity to see a solid match-up between the 2nd (or 3rd) best LL and E8 teams. If Union loses to IC Saturday they'd be the likely LL pick, but if they retained the Shoes in the season finale, I could see them passing on the game and Hobart getting it.
E8 participants could be Cortland, Alfred or Brockport. Obviously we wouldn't see a BP-HOB rematch, but any version of Union vs. Alfred, Cortland or BP / HOB vs. Cortland or Alfred would be great games and an added bonus to each program's SR classes.
Having some fun thought experiments with the idea of teams turning down rematches.
So starting with a scenario where the LL starts IC-Union-Bart and the E8 goes Cortland-Port-Alfred.
1. Union passes for the reason you articulate above: They won the shoes and they want to end their season there.
2. So now you have Hobart-Port. Like you, I don't see the Statesmen being pumped about a rematch with a team they smoked once, so they pass and it goes to the
4th place team in the LL.
3. That team? Buffalo State—who have upset St. Lawrence and RPI.
4. Brockport, having topped Buffalo State by a scant 33 points earlier in the year, passes on the game, which brings us to the E8's third place team...
5. St. John Fisher, who has finished 3-3 and, with a win over Morrisville gets the tiebreaker. The Cardinals pass on a rematch, which then gets us to...
6. Alfred, I think?
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Going to resurrect this topic as supposedly the LL plans to try having the NYS Bowl game. I think this could be a great opportunity to see a solid match-up between the 2nd (or 3rd) best LL and E8 teams. If Union loses to IC Saturday they'd be the likely LL pick, but if they retained the Shoes in the season finale, I could see them passing on the game and Hobart getting it.
E8 participants could be Cortland, Alfred or Brockport. Obviously we wouldn't see a BP-HOB rematch, but any version of Union vs. Alfred, Cortland or BP / HOB vs. Cortland or Alfred would be great games and an added bonus to each program's SR classes.
Having some fun thought experiments with the idea of teams turning down rematches.
So starting with a scenario where the LL starts IC-Union-Bart and the E8 goes Cortland-Port-Alfred.
1. Union passes for the reason you articulate above: They won the shoes and they want to end their season there.
2. So now you have Hobart-Port. Like you, I don't see the Statesmen being pumped about a rematch with a team they smoked once, so they pass and it goes to the 4th place team in the LL.
3. That team? Buffalo State—who have upset St. Lawrence and RPI.
4. Brockport, having topped Buffalo State by a scant 33 points earlier in the year, passes on the game, which brings us to the E8's third place team...
5. St. John Fisher, who has finished 3-3 and, with a win over Morrisville gets the tiebreaker. The Cardinals pass on a rematch, which then gets us to...
6. Alfred, I think?
Here is how i see it playing out...
Bport beats Cortland this weekend. Cortland then loses at Metlife. Do they want to play again? no
Union loses to Ithaca, and wins the Shoes. 9-1 doesn't get NCAA's, do they want to play again? no
Hobart wins out. Season ends at 8-2. Do they want to play again? yes
Hobart v. Alfred in NY Bowl
If Union loses the shoes, they may want to play one more....but what is the tiebreaker for two 8-2 teams both 4-2 in league?
I think a Hobart-Alfred match up would be great. Union won't lose to RPI. The way they've been smoked by Hobart & SLU in the last couple of weeks shows they just don't have it this season. Dutchmen have a ton of offensive talent and their D is pretty legit too. They'll give IC a good run for their money, I could even see them get the upset. Will see.
If Cortland is in a position to declare for a post season game, they will play of chosen. That is the stance of the program. This week is a big test for that Pool A, but after last years NY Bowl meltdown, not sure what they do. I'm not sure what their affiliation with the ECAC is this year.
I'm not sure what Union might do if they don't get an NCAA bid. Last year's 7-2 team passed on an ECAC berth and a NY Bowl didn't materialize. A reminder about Union; it's been discussed before. They're on a tri-semester academic schedule. They have three ten week terms. Final exams for the first term are scheduled for Thursday Nov 21 through Tuesday Nov. 26 so a post season game would fall right in the middle. That's always a factor for Union's decision.
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I'm not sure what Union might do if they don't get an NCAA bid. Last year's 7-2 team passed on an ECAC berth and a NY Bowl didn't materialize. A reminder about Union; it's been discussed before. They're on a tri-semester academic schedule. They have three ten week terms. Final exams for the first term are scheduled for Thursday Nov 21 through Tuesday Nov. 26 so a post season game would fall right in the middle. That's always a factor for Union's decision.
That's true - Union cited the exam schedule as being a reason why they passed on last year's game.
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I think a Hobart-Alfred match up would be great. Union won't lose to RPI. The way they've been smoked by Hobart & SLU in the last couple of weeks shows they just don't have it this season. Dutchmen have a ton of offensive talent and their D is pretty legit too. They'll give IC a good run for their money, I could even see them get the upset. Will see.
They met in the preseason scrimmage....but now they'd play when it means something! The band will be ready.
On Saxon Warriors!
Since the bowl game was skipped last year, do we have any idea who would host this year? E8 or LL?
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Since the bowl game was skipped last year, do we have any idea who would host this year? E8 or LL?
I thought Ithaca played Utica in that Bowl game. Or was that a different ECAC game?
That was an ECAC game. Cortland Vs Ithaca didn't want to play again, and then finishing 2nd in LL back to back years was something the commissioner's didn't exactly foresee. Union hosted Cortland in 2017 so 2018 (even year) was supposed to be E8 hosting. In theory the LL would host this season.
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Since the bowl game was skipped last year, do we have any idea who would host this year? E8 or LL?
I thought Ithaca played Utica in that Bowl game. Or was that a different ECAC game?
That was an ECAC bowl....
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Since the bowl game was skipped last year, do we have any idea who would host this year? E8 or LL?
I thought Ithaca played Utica in that Bowl game. Or was that a different ECAC game?
That was an ECAC bowl....
Oh yea forgot that the game between the two 2nd place teams was not an ECAC bowl. Can imagine that the same thing could happen this year.
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I think a Hobart-Alfred match up would be great. Union won't lose to RPI. The way they've been smoked by Hobart & SLU in the last couple of weeks shows they just don't have it this season. Dutchmen have a ton of offensive talent and their D is pretty legit too. They'll give IC a good run for their money, I could even see them get the upset. Will see.
They met in the preseason scrimmage....but now they'd play when it means something! The band will be ready.
On Saxon Warriors!
Pep,
A good old Saxon Warrior-Statesmen game in the post season would make me very happy. I'm rooting for it......Hobart might even put a pep band together .....an all out football and band battle.....Saxon Warrior pep Band an early favorite ;).....I see light snow and frozen kazoo sounds echoing in a winter wonderland game between 2 historic NY small college/D3 programs in 3 Overtimes for the E8/LL Bowl where both teams are winners....who cares about the NCAA tournament 8-)
So after today, it looks like Cortaca 2.0 for the 3rd year in a row, which will yield NO Cortaca 2.0! Can't see either team going for this.
Nope, unless it's Cortland Vs Hobart
Any chance Hobart takes the bid as the #3 or does last year repeat itself? I would have to think that the athletic programs sign a clause to honor this game, but then again maybe not as last year happened!
I really want to see an Ithaca/Brockport game this year. Don't know how likely that is after today but how great would that be?
Are there any measures in place to prevent last year from repeating itself?
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Are there any measures in place to prevent last year from repeating itself?
Unless you make it mandatory, no.
I mean, is there *any* scenario you can imagine where IC and Cortland want to go from 45,000 people at MetLife to a half empty campus because it's Thanksgiving week?
I think Cortland v Hobart is a likely matchup. This assumes an Ithaca win at Metlife and a Pool C for Ithaca.
If Cortland wins Metlife they do have a chance for the Pool C ...if they don't get a Pool C, I doubt Ithaca or Cortland would want Cortaca II, so if Ithaca takes an ECAC bid, back to a Hobart-Cortland matchup. I would be up for that.
I'd be ok with Hobart-Alfred too. Just would be a little unfair if that was the case bc it sounds like the leagues would not honor the original odd-even year hosting scenario and would give it E8, regardless of overall record.
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I'd be ok with Hobart-Alfred too. Just would be a little unfair if that was the case bc it sounds like the leagues would not honor the original odd-even year hosting scenario and would give it E8, regardless of overall record.
I kinda see the point if I'm an E8 team, no game last year so they get home field. I would love to see the game at the Boz and support the "LL" argument. Realistically I'm just hoping for an Ithaca win at Metlife, not because I love Ithaca as much as I would like to see a hungry Statesmen team finish the season strong against a tough opponent(Alfred or Cortland?)and add confidence for next year. If Cortland rejects the spot , I am ready for the sound of frozen kazoos in Mayberry.
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I think a Hobart-Alfred match up would be great. Union won't lose to RPI. The way they've been smoked by Hobart & SLU in the last couple of weeks shows they just don't have it this season. Dutchmen have a ton of offensive talent and their D is pretty legit too. They'll give IC a good run for their money, I could even see them get the upset. Will see.
They met in the preseason scrimmage....but now they'd play when it means something! The band will be ready.
On Saxon Warriors!
Pep,
A good old Saxon Warrior-Statesmen game in the post season would make me very happy. I'm rooting for it......Hobart might even put a pep band together .....an all out football and band battle.....Saxon Warrior pep Band an early favorite ;).....I see light snow and frozen kazoo sounds echoing in a winter wonderland game between 2 historic NY small college/D3 programs in 3 Overtimes for the E8/LL Bowl where both teams are winners....who cares about the NCAA tournament 8-)
Love the sentiments. But too many scenarios to overcome this year. Pep's Saxons need to get past St. John Fisher, something they didn't do last year. Defense is playing well but AU has struggled offensively of late against respectable opponents Utica and Brockport. Will likely have to wait until 2021 when the Saxon Strong travel to Geneva...will officials at Boswell permit the AU Pep Band to attend and play? The Sound of the Saxons has peaked this year with a lot of work put in by AU Director of Bands Dr. Raul Barcenes. It has never sounded better!
Regarding the AU-Hobart series, Pep has had an enlargement made of a photo of an Alfred-Hobart football game played on a snow-covered Merrill Field back in 1926, complete with a couple of automobiles parked along the south rim. The old fieldhouse, which Pep would love to see rebuilt, sat in the north end. Hobart won, 18-0, which was typical before the arrival of Alexander "The Great" Yunevich in 1937.
The framed enlargement is on display on the ground floor of the library in a study area Pep has dubbed "Saxon Station," with a purple study room, gold study room and three restaurant booths in the common area, which also features Alfred's connection with the Erie Railroad. Highest point between New York (Hoboken, NJ actually) and Chicago on the old Erie Railroad is in the Town of Alfred at a place appropriately called "Tip Top." When it comes to higher education in New York State, it gets no higher than Alfred! (Campus elevation ranging from 1800 to 2300 feet).
On Saxon Warriors!
So, Ithaca and Hobart should be tied for 2nd place(assuming Hobart beats the Yellowjackets). Since IC beat Hobart, I guess that gives them the nod for the LL slot in the NYS bowl...but will they want it after Metlife or the chance to play a more interesting ECAC game? I am happy for Mayberry( I will bring my own kazoo :o) or Cortland if the Bombers take a pass.....if not, Hobart may be interested in applying for an ECAC game but deadline is tomorrow...we will see what unfolds after the Metlife game, but I would like to see the Statesmen finish strong with some post season experience.....I guess my favorite scenario would be Cortland beating IC and missing out on a close Pool C bid and Hobart travels to Cortland and beats the Metlife winner......yes, that would help heal some earlier season wounds.
Here is my attempt at predicting the future, if IC wins Cortica and RPI loses the Shoes, IC would tie Hobart for second in the league. Head to head goes to IC, BUT that would mean a repeat of Cortica (not happening) AND IC has now registered for the ECAC's. So my guess would be Hobart v Cortland in NY State Bowl.
Now, if IC loses Cortica, and RPI wins the shoes.....mayhem may ensue. Three way tie for LL title, Hobart wins secondary criteria (I believe) and goes to NY State Bowl. I don't think Cortland, even at 9-1 makes pool C (really low SOS), so probably goes to NY State Bowl. Does a 7-3 IC qualify for ECAC? There are a lot of strong teams that have declared (Hobart has not??!!)
Quote from: Oline89 on November 11, 2019, 09:04:59 AM
Here is my attempt at predicting the future, if IC wins Cortica and RPI loses the Shoes, IC would tie Hobart for second in the league. Head to head goes to IC, BUT that would mean a repeat of Cortica (not happening) AND IC has now registered for the ECAC's. So my guess would be Hobart v Cortland in NY State Bowl.
Now, if IC loses Cortica, and RPI wins the shoes.....mayhem may ensue. Three way tie for LL title, Hobart wins secondary criteria (I believe) and goes to NY State Bowl. I don't think Cortland, even at 9-1 makes pool C (really low SOS), so probably goes to NY State Bowl. Does a 7-3 IC qualify for ECAC? There are a lot of strong teams that have declared (Hobart has not??!!)
Oline,
If RPI beats Union, 3 way tie, and RPI gets the NY State Bowl based on H2H win against LL Champ, Union. Crazy. Hobart is not an ECAC member this year, but will be evaluated going forward , so it's NYS Bowl or bust......Ithaca probably wants an ECAC at home bid, anyway whether 8-2 or 7-3, which they might get, although not sure if they are 7-3 with a 3 game end of season losing streak. Too bad we LL lost 2 NCAA bids based on cannabalizing each other.
Just to be clear an RPI "Shoes" win could create a three-way tie for 2nd place in the Liberty League. Union has clinched the outright championship.
Quote from: UfanBill on November 11, 2019, 12:39:37 PM
Just to be clear an RPI "Shoes" win could create a three-way tie for 2nd place in the Liberty League. Union has clinched the outright championship.
We know, this board is for the NY State Bowl, unless you think Union is conceding their NCAA bid, and would rather play here...........
Quote from: Oline89 on November 11, 2019, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 11, 2019, 12:39:37 PM
Just to be clear an RPI "Shoes" win could create a three-way tie for 2nd place in the Liberty League. Union has clinched the outright championship.
We know, this board is for the NY State Bowl, unless you think Union is conceding their NCAA bid, and would rather play here...........
i think you need to reread
your earlier post...you said "mayhem may ensue. Three way tie for LL title". I think that speaks for itself.
Quote from: UfanBill on November 11, 2019, 01:08:52 PM
Quote from: Oline89 on November 11, 2019, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 11, 2019, 12:39:37 PM
Just to be clear an RPI "Shoes" win could create a three-way tie for 2nd place in the Liberty League. Union has clinched the outright championship.
We know, this board is for the NY State Bowl, unless you think Union is conceding their NCAA bid, and would rather play here...........
i think you need to reread your earlier post...you said "mayhem may ensue. Three way tie for LL title". I think that speaks for itself.
I concede
Quote from: Oline89 on November 11, 2019, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 11, 2019, 12:39:37 PM
Just to be clear an RPI "Shoes" win could create a three-way tie for 2nd place in the Liberty League. Union has clinched the outright championship.
We know, this board is for the NY State Bowl, unless you think Union is conceding their NCAA bid, and would rather play here...........
Every time someone says NY State Bowl, I don't know why I keep thinking about this scene from Semi-Pro:
Jackie Moon: "On Saturday, we're gonna be playing for the Flint, Michigan Megabowl. White Pants?"
White Pants (Brian Huskey): "Yeah, I don't know if I understand what you mean by Megabowl?"
Jackie Moon: "It's a Megabowl. What's not to understand? This is history in the making. You're gonna wanna tell your grandkids and their grandkids and their grandkids. And when they look back in the annals of history, they're gonna be talking about three things: discovery of fire, invention of the submarine and the Flint, Michigan Megabowl."
White Pants: "Right, but still the game doesn't count."
Jackie Moon: "The trophy's 12 feet high! And it's glorious! I've seen it. Oh yeah, and when we win the game, that big gun's gonna shoot off."
Turtleneck (Ed Helms): "The cannon doesn't actually fire. It's a relic."
Jackie Moon: "We're gonna win the Megabowl. Saturday! Eight o'clock! Flint, Michigan Megabowl! Flint, Michigan Megabowl! Flint, Michigan Megabowl!"
That's it. I will now only refer to this game as the New York State Megabowl.
Mega Bowl announcement coming soon......over shadows the entire NCAA tournament ;D
It's Official NYS MegaBowl is Hobart vs. Cortland at Cortland on 11/23 at Noon. The Trophy will be HUUUUUUUUGE....Megasize.
Quote from: Bartman on November 17, 2019, 07:18:51 PM
It's Official NYS MegaBowl is Hobart vs. Cortland at Cortland on 11/23 at Noon. The Trophy will be HUUUUUUUUGE....Megasize.
And, of course, glorious. Hoping they can get the cannon working by game time
Quote from: Bartman on November 17, 2019, 07:18:51 PM
It's Official NYS MegaBowl is Hobart vs. Cortland at Cortland on 11/23 at Noon. The Trophy will be HUUUUUUUUGE....Megasize.
Although not as prestigious as the TOP swatch watch trophy, the MegaBowl is a close second:
(https://scontent.fnyc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/177102_10150908704454032_1704842066_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQlK9UTXgwQl79gwEIaKNholwsogKJ08ztDMNqZirrIqkjqQsW1ST63RRkoK3bG1DeQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fnyc1-1.fna&oh=60932b6a4224750f31fa7212a7fe9a90&oe=5E424E56)
Bartman and Oline89 celebrate in style at this years NY Megabowl announcement....
+k to JU for unveiling the only trophy an E8 or LL football team could ever want. How glorious the battle for the bowl will be. ;D
Quote from: Bartman on November 18, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
+k to JU for unveiling the only trophy an E8 or LL football team could ever want. How glorious the battle for the bowl will be. ;D
I know. Imagine eating that while wearing the TOP watch?
2020 goals.
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
Quote from: Bartman on November 18, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
+k to JU for unveiling the only trophy an E8 or LL football team could ever want. How glorious the battle for the bowl will be. ;D
I know. Imagine eating that while wearing the TOP watch?
2020 goals.
Kellogg's and Swatch patches on the game jerseys as our sponsors....
Segala cleared to play after NCAA review.
Quote from: ITH radio on November 18, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
Segala cleared to play after NCAA review.
Amazing timing! I was just going to inquire if there were any updates. Good for him and great for the Mega Bowl!!!
I'd still love to see the Cortland 'situation' to see what all the fuss was about. There's gotta be video of it. Anyone?
(https://cdn.prdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/bueller.jpg)
Compughterratings.com predicts Cortland 31 Hobart 26......a very competitive game, no doubt. Bartman will give his prediction later in the week. Hobart Defense could be the difference maker on a day with light snow in the forecast.
Quote from: Bartman on November 18, 2019, 01:42:29 PM
Compughterratings.com predicts Cortland 31 Hobart 26......a very competitive game, no doubt. Bartman will give his prediction later in the week. Hobart Defense could be the difference maker on a day with light snow in the forecast.
I've seen both teams and it's tough to tell on my end. IC had a completely different game plan versus Cortland choosing to basically have Joe G. run every other play on his own. IC (for one of the few times this year) was able to stop a good opponents offense although Cortland's WRs did get by them deep twice (happened to Ithaca too much this year). Cortland runs mostly spread but also has some diamond formation stuff where they run some option style plays with a lot of runs mixed in. They have a stud WR I guess but I didn't really notice him Saturday.
I think Hobart wins 21-10
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 18, 2019, 01:42:29 PM
Compughterratings.com predicts Cortland 31 Hobart 26......a very competitive game, no doubt. Bartman will give his prediction later in the week. Hobart Defense could be the difference maker on a day with light snow in the forecast.
I've seen both teams and it's tough to tell on my end. IC had a completely different game plan versus Cortland choosing to basically have Joe G. run every other play on his own. IC (for one of the few times this year) was able to stop a good opponents offense although Cortland's WRs did get by them deep twice (happened to Ithaca too much this year). Cortland runs mostly spread but also has some diamond formation stuff where they run some option style plays with a lot of runs mixed in. They have a stud WR I guess but I didn't really notice him Saturday.
I think Hobart wins 21-10
I don't even know you anymore. What a ****ty analysis, not one mention of TOP? Hack.
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 18, 2019, 01:42:29 PM
Compughterratings.com predicts Cortland 31 Hobart 26......a very competitive game, no doubt. Bartman will give his prediction later in the week. Hobart Defense could be the difference maker on a day with light snow in the forecast.
I've seen both teams and it's tough to tell on my end. IC had a completely different game plan versus Cortland choosing to basically have Joe G. run every other play on his own. IC (for one of the few times this year) was able to stop a good opponents offense although Cortland's WRs did get by them deep twice (happened to Ithaca too much this year). Cortland runs mostly spread but also has some diamond formation stuff where they run some option style plays with a lot of runs mixed in. They have a stud WR I guess but I didn't really notice him Saturday.
I think Hobart wins 21-10
The question is after being on the big stage can Cortland get up for one more game? For Hobart this game is important to the Seniors and for the underclassmen it is important to end 2019 well and get some positive vibes for 2020. Hobart's defense is pretty good , but Cortland only had the ball for 14 minutes against IC and if Cortland had stopped the last IC drive and then scored it could have turned TOP analysis on its head by winning 27-26. I like Jonny Us prediction but I think this game will be close.
Quote from: ITH radio on November 18, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
Segala cleared to play after NCAA review.
Ice is happy for the kid that it was an accident and he can play...with that said Hobart is going to kick Cortland's ****ing teeth in at the ****ing:
NYS MEGABOWL
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 18, 2019, 07:41:53 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 18, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
Segala cleared to play after NCAA review.
Ice is happy for the kid that it was an accident and he can play...with that said Hobart is going to kick Cortland's ****ing teeth in at the ****ing:
NYS MEGABOWL
Ice Bear, thanks Ice Bear for the support. The Statesmen will avenge the loss in 2017 of our LL brothers on the Dragonfield ;D. Good luck to the Dutchmen in the big dance.
https://www.cortlandreddragons.com/news/2019/11/20/cortland-football-game-notes-vs-hobart-new-york-bowl-nov-23-at-cortland.aspx
Quote from: Bartman on November 19, 2019, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 18, 2019, 07:41:53 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 18, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
Segala cleared to play after NCAA review.
Ice is happy for the kid that it was an accident and he can play...with that said Hobart is going to kick Cortland's ****ing teeth in at the ****ing:
NYS MEGABOWL
Ice Bear, thanks Ice Bear for the support. The Statesmen will avenge the loss in 2017 of our LL brothers on the Dragonfield ;D. Good luck to the Dutchmen in the big dance.
Ice Bear says thank you to Manbart.
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 21, 2019, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: Bartman on November 19, 2019, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 18, 2019, 07:41:53 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 18, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
Segala cleared to play after NCAA review.
Ice is happy for the kid that it was an accident and he can play...with that said Hobart is going to kick Cortland's ****ing teeth in at the ****ing:
NYS MEGABOWL
Ice Bear, thanks Ice Bear for the support. The Statesmen will avenge the loss in 2017 of our LL brothers on the Dragonfield ;D. Good luck to the Dutchmen in the big dance.
Ice Bear says thank you to Manbart.
Ice Bear...revealing the the new Union D for the dance....the 1-2-2-2
Statesmen come away with the Bowl 30-10. LL in possession😀