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West Regional May 18-22
Spokane: Avista Stadium, Spokane, WA(hosted by Whitworth)

SCIAC: Chapman 34-11
SCAC:
NWC:
ASC:

http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2018/chapman-wins-2018-sciac

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 07, 2018, 12:31:21 PM
West Regional May 18-22
Spokane: Avista Stadium, Spokane, WA(hosted by Whitworth)

SCIAC: Chapman 34-11
SCAC: Texas Lutheran 34-9
NWC: Willamette 28-17
ASC:

Added a few in for you.

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2018, 12:38:08 PM

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 07, 2018, 12:31:21 PM
West Regional May 18-22
Spokane: Avista Stadium, Spokane, WA(hosted by Whitworth)

SCIAC: Chapman 34-11
SCAC: Texas Lutheran 34-9
NWC: Willamette 28-17
ASC:

http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2018/playoff-central
Added a few in for you.

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 07, 2018, 01:24:35 PM

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2018, 12:38:08 PM

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 07, 2018, 12:31:21 PM
West Regional May 18-22 17-21
Spokane: Avista Stadium, Spokane, WA(hosted by Whitworth)

SCIAC: Chapman 34-11
SCAC: Texas Lutheran 34-9
NWC: Willamette 28-17
ASC:

http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2018/playoff-central
Added a few in for you.

CORRECTION

MY PREDICTION

SCIAC: Chapman
SCAC: Texas Lutheran
NWC: Willamette
ASC: TBD
Pool C Trinity & Redlands

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 09, 2018, 08:32:13 AM
MY PREDICTION

SCIAC: Chapman
SCAC: Texas Lutheran
NWC: Willamette
ASC: TBD
Pool C Trinity & Redlands

I might have the unpopular opinion but La Verne will be on the Pool C table before Trinity.  If, and it is a big IF, the NCAA puts 3 SCIAC teams in, I would expect Redlands to be sent somewhere else.  Trinity was already behind La Verne in the last RR's and went 0-2, La Verne went 1-2.  I could be way off on this but I am very interested to see what happens with tomorrows rankings.

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 09, 2018, 08:50:09 AM

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 09, 2018, 08:32:13 AM
MY PREDICTION

SCIAC: Chapman
SCAC: Texas Lutheran
NWC: Willamette
ASC: TBD
Pool C Trinity & Redlands

I might have the unpopular opinion but La Verne will be on the Pool C table before Trinity.  If, and it is a big IF, the NCAA puts 3 SCIAC teams in, I would expect Redlands to be sent somewhere else.  Trinity was already behind La Verne in the last RR's and went 0-2, La Verne went 1-2.  I could be way off on this but I am very interested to see what happens with tomorrows rankings.

And the NCAA has shown precedent for moving a West team out of the region and bringing in a team from the Midwest or Central (maybe a third WIAC school or a team like St. Norbert or Carthage which would both be a lower Central Seed if they find a way in).

Maybe just wishful thinking on my part but if CTX wins the ASC then UTT has a shot as Pool C. Remember they went 3-0 against Texas Lutheran and LaVerne earlier this year and played a more difficult schedule than either of those teams.  They went 3-2 in the tournament this past weekend loosing twice to CTX but also beating them once.

Quote from: TexasBB on May 09, 2018, 01:56:58 PM
Maybe just wishful thinking on my part but if CTX wins the ASC then UTT has a shot as Pool C. Remember they went 3-0 against Texas Lutheran and LaVerne earlier this year and played a more difficult schedule than either of those teams.  They went 3-2 in the tournament this past weekend loosing twice to CTX but also beating them once.

If it comes down to it, UTT would only be up against La Verne in the Pool C race since TLU already has the auto-bid.  When looking at SOS, La Verne is at 47 and UTT is at 48, which makes the logical thing to do is look at their head-to-head.  All of that is subjective as what really matters is how the coaches vote tomorrow.

*I will add that I agree with you 100% in thinking UTT would be a better pick than La Verne.

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 09, 2018, 03:37:39 PM

Quote from: TexasBB on May 09, 2018, 01:56:58 PM
Maybe just wishful thinking on my part but if CTX wins the ASC then UTT has a shot as Pool C. Remember they went 3-0 against Texas Lutheran and LaVerne earlier this year and played a more difficult schedule than either of those teams.  They went 3-2 in the tournament this past weekend loosing twice to CTX but also beating them once.

If it comes down to it, UTT would only be up against La Verne in the Pool C race since TLU already has the auto-bid.  When looking at SOS, La Verne is at 47 and UTT is at 47, which makes the logical thing to do is look at their head-to-head.  All of that is subjective as what really matters is how the coaches vote tomorrow.

*I will add that I agree with you 100% in thinking UTT would be a better pick than La Verne.

I agree UTT has a shot and head to head should be used to determine which team makes the cut...I dont see SCIAC getting 3 teams.

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 09, 2018, 10:57:02 PM

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 09, 2018, 03:37:39 PM

Quote from: TexasBB on May 09, 2018, 01:56:58 PM
Maybe just wishful thinking on my part but if CTX wins the ASC then UTT has a shot as Pool C. Remember they went 3-0 against Texas Lutheran and LaVerne earlier this year and played a more difficult schedule than either of those teams.  They went 3-2 in the tournament this past weekend loosing twice to CTX but also beating them once.

If it comes down to it, UTT would only be up against La Verne in the Pool C race since TLU already has the auto-bid.  When looking at SOS, La Verne is at 47 and UTT is at 47, which makes the logical thing to do is look at their head-to-head.  All of that is subjective as what really matters is how the coaches vote tomorrow.

*I will add that I agree with you 100% in thinking UTT would be a better pick than La Verne.

I agree UTT has a shot and head to head should be used to determine which team makes the cut...I dont see SCIAC getting 3 teams.

The main thing for UTT to have a shot is CTX winning the auto-bid.  If UT Dallas gets it, CTX drops into Pool C and knocks UTT another notch lower.

Agreed, the SCIAC will not have 3 teams in.

I'm sorry. I know they have a lot of fans here and I know they are used to always winning, but if Trinity makes it to a regional then the system is very very flawed. No way on earth a team who loses 5 of their last 6 games, doesn't win their regular season and goes 2 out in their tournament should get any consideration. It would strictly be on reputation only if they got in, not on their performance this season. JMHO.

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 10, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
I'm sorry. I know they have a lot of fans here and I know they are used to always winning, but if Trinity makes it to a regional then the system is very very flawed. No way on earth a team who loses 5 of their last 6 games, doesn't win their regular season and goes 2 out in their tournament should get any consideration. It would strictly be on reputation only if they got in, not on their performance this season. JMHO.

Thanks for your post. There will be a mock selection on the site on Sunday night. I hope that you will read it.

My first impression is that Trinity is about #40 in line around the nation, behind Redlands, behind CTX if they lose to UTD, UTT,  and LaVerne in the West Region alone for one of the 16 Pool C bids.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2018, 06:45:15 PM

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 10, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
I'm sorry. I know they have a lot of fans here and I know they are used to always winning, but if Trinity makes it to a regional then the system is very very flawed. No way on earth a team who loses 5 of their last 6 games, doesn't win their regular season and goes 2 out in their tournament should get any consideration. It would strictly be on reputation only if they got in, not on their performance this season. JMHO.

Thanks for your post. There will be a mock selection on the site on Sunday night. I hope that you will read it.

My first impression is that Trinity is about #40 in line around the nation, behind Redlands, behind CTX if they lose to UTD, UTT,  and LaVerne in the West Region alone for one of the 16 Pool C bids.

I have seen some very strange Pool C selections over the years. Nothing will surprise or shock me.

Aka CrashDavisD3

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 10, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
I'm sorry. I know they have a lot of fans here and I know they are used to always winning, but if Trinity makes it to a regional then the system is very very flawed. No way on earth a team who loses 5 of their last 6 games, doesn't win their regular season and goes 2 out in their tournament should get any consideration. It would strictly be on reputation only if they got in, not on their performance this season. JMHO.

Given that I have yet to see any Trinity "fan" say they deserve or have any chance to be selected, this ("I know they have a lot of fans here and I know they are used to always winning") seems to be simply a gratuitous slam at the program and its supporters.   The team under-performed the last month and will stay at home - for the second year in a row - as a result.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 11, 2018, 12:10:16 PM

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 10, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
I'm sorry. I know they have a lot of fans here and I know they are used to always winning, but if Trinity makes it to a regional then the system is very very flawed. No way on earth a team who loses 5 of their last 6 games, doesn't win their regular season and goes 2 out in their tournament should get any consideration. It would strictly be on reputation only if they got in, not on their performance this season. JMHO.

Given that I have yet to see any Trinity "fan" say they deserve or have any chance to be selected, this ("I know they have a lot of fans here and I know they are used to always winning") seems to be simply a gratuitous slam at the program and its supporters.   The team under-performed the last month and will stay at home - for the second year in a row - as a result.

Although Trinity did win 34 wins they also lost 5 of their last 6 games. Also several losses in the season to teams with losing records. They went 0-2 in conference tourney. BUT their overall season winning percentage is .785. Tough way to not be included when their winning percentage and total number of season wins exceeds many in the regional rankings for all regions.

UTD 9 CTX 3 last night.  Single games tonight and tomorrow as needed.

UTD is up 8-1, batting in the bottom of the 4th.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2018, 08:43:49 PM
UTD is up 8-1, batting in the bottom of the 4th.

Now 12-1...

I think UT Dallas is going to be a little bit of a dark horse in the regional.  After starting 0-4 against the SCIAC they have been pretty solid.  The only hiccups in their season was a sweep at the hands of TLU, and a series loss against Hardin-Simmons.  Assuming they go to the West, they will have played Chapman, Redlands, TLU, and Concordia (who I think has a very good shot at a Pool C).  I also think UTD winning the ASC could open up one of the West teams to go out of region, but that all depends on how the rest of the conference tournaments end up and how many favorites go into Pool C.

UT Dallas
auto qualifier


what will happen with CTX

UT Tyler
joins LaVerne, trinity, and Centenary

Quote from: alldone on May 11, 2018, 10:02:05 PM
UT Dallas
auto qualifier


what will happen with CTX

UT Tyler
joins LaVerne, trinity, and Centenary

Whatever happens I sure wouldn't want to be on any of the Pool C teams having to wait this out.  Trinity and Centenary are done, we will see what happens to CTX because that was a really bad showing against UTD.  I would love to be a fly on the wall during the NCAA call on Sunday.

SCIAC: Chapman
SCAC: Texas Lutheran
NWC: Willamette
ASC: UT - Dallas
LAST 2 TBD  ??? ???

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 11, 2018, 11:50:06 PM
SCIAC: Chapman
SCAC: Texas Lutheran
NWC: Willamette
ASC: UT - Dallas
LAST 2 TBD  ??? ???

Redlands

non-West Region team

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 11, 2018, 11:50:06 PM
SCIAC: Chapman
SCAC: Texas Lutheran
NWC: Willamette
ASC: UT - Dallas
LAST 2 TBD  ??? ???

I can see a WIAC team being flown in.

Good to see UTD win and get a regional birth. They have not been there in a while. The ASC was competitive this year with no dominant teams but good balance. CTX, UTD and UTT were all fairly equal. I believe UTD won 4 out of 5 against CTX this year. CTX won 4 out of 6 against UTT an UTT won 2 out of 3 from UTD.  Who was hot at the end decided it and UTD got hot at the right time. 

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2018, 11:57:12 PM

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 11, 2018, 11:50:06 PM
SCIAC: Chapman
SCAC: Texas Lutheran
NWC: Willamette
ASC: UT - Dallas
LAST 2 TBD  ??? ???

Redlands

non-West Region team

I think you got it

Great to see the West get 3 Pool C teams.  I believe that speaks volumes on the national stage as three of the past five National Champs have come from the West.  It will be very interesting to see what UT Tyler can do in a different region.  Everything else in the West played out as expected, and there are some very, very good games right off the bat in Spokane.  Safe travels and good luck to all.

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 14, 2018, 07:40:49 AM
Great to see the West get 3 Pool C teams.  I believe that speaks volumes on the national stage as three of the past five National Champs have come from the West.  It will be very interesting to see what UT Tyler can do in a different region.  Everything else in the West played out as expected, and there are some very, very good games right off the bat in Spokane.  Safe travels and good luck to all.

Absolutely!

All 4 Pool A bids in the West Region went to teams that were #3 seeds in the conference tourneys!  That is balance.

Can someone chime in with the Pool C criteria and how CTX, UTT matched up with Trinity in that regard (maybe Ralph)? Im still a little perplexed at how Trinity got behind them in the regional rankings. Trinity was still 4-2 against the three playoff teams from the west, despite their slow finish.

Quote from: dp643 on May 14, 2018, 10:07:33 AM
Can someone chime in with the Pool C criteria and how CTX, UTT matched up with Trinity in that regard (maybe Ralph)? Im still a little perplexed at how Trinity got behind them in the regional rankings. Trinity was still 4-2 against the three playoff teams from the west, despite their slow finish.

A "new" criterion this year by the NCAA for baseball was performance in the last 25% of games. Throwing out the game against NAIA Our Lady of the Lake, they had 3 wins against UDallas and 1 against Centenary. 4 wins 7 losses.

Also, I also heard that once ranked always ranked was in effect this year.  In that case, the RRO against Centenary (1-3) hurt them. that wouls give Record against Regonaly Ranked teams of only 7-6.  By going 2 & BBQ, I think that they played themselves out of the Playoffs.

Ok, that makes sense then. UTT also swept La Verne and TLU this season. ASC probably got big boosts from those two series sweeps.

Quote from: dp643 on May 14, 2018, 10:07:33 AM
Can someone chime in with the Pool C criteria and how CTX, UTT matched up with Trinity in that regard (maybe Ralph)? Im still a little perplexed at how Trinity got behind them in the regional rankings. Trinity was still 4-2 against the three playoff teams from the west, despite their slow finish.

A few things to point out here...

1. SOS was a huge difference between these schools.  CTX- 31. UTT- 51, Trinity- 187
2. You mentioned Trinity was 4-2 against the West playoff teams.  While true, they weren't up against TLU in the Pool C running, only CTX and UTT, which they only went 2-0 against.
3. As Ralph mentioned, Trinity went 5-5 down the stretch (not including the SCAC tourney) and that included losses to Southwestern, Schreiner, and McMurry.  Not a good impression on the committee. 
4. I'm not sure if this is taken into consideration but the ASC is a much better conference top to bottom than the SCAC, with UTT sweeping TLU as well.

2018 West Region Playoff Field

1. Chapman
2. Redlands
3. Concordia (Texas)
4. Texas Lutheran
5. Texas-Dallas
6. Willamette

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 14, 2018, 10:33:12 AM

Quote from: dp643 on May 14, 2018, 10:07:33 AM
Can someone chime in with the Pool C criteria and how CTX, UTT matched up with Trinity in that regard (maybe Ralph)? Im still a little perplexed at how Trinity got behind them in the regional rankings. Trinity was still 4-2 against the three playoff teams from the west, despite their slow finish.

A few things to point out here...

1. SOS was a huge difference between these schools.  CTX- 31. UTT- 51, Trinity- 187
2. You mentioned Trinity was 4-2 against the West playoff teams.  While true, they weren't up against TLU in the Pool C running, only CTX and UTT, which they only went 2-0 against.
3. As Ralph mentioned, Trinity went 5-5 down the stretch (not including the SCAC tourney) and that included losses to Southwestern, Schreiner, and McMurry.  Not a good impression on the committee. 
4. I'm not sure if this is taken into consideration but the ASC is a much better conference top to bottom than the SCAC, with UTT sweeping TLU as well.

Im on board now, especially after Ralph chiming in. I was not aware of that part of the criteria. When I made my original post, I had also forgotten about UTT sweeps over La Verne and TLU.

Glad to see you back dp643!

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2018, 02:53:06 PM
Glad to see you back dp643!

Thanks Ralph. I have always been lurking, just not much posting! Looking forward to the regional.

 ??? ??? ??? Trinity despite a 33-9 and overall record with a .786 winning percentage did not make it to the regional's. They had their opportunity to make it by winning on the field and they did not.

WHY?

1 - Who they played. LOW SOS. Beating bad teams does not help
2 - Who they lost to. Several losses to teams with losing records. Losing to bad teams does not help
3 - When the lost. Failure to win their Conference Tournament and losing and going 2 and Q. and not having a winning record in the last 10 games. Losing 5 of their last 6 games.

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 14, 2018, 04:57:44 PM
??? ??? ??? Trinity despite a 33-9 and overall record with a .786 winning percentage did not make it to the regional's. They had their opportunity to make it by winning on the field and they did not.

WHY?

1 - Who they played. LOW SOS. Beating bad teams does not help
2 - Who they lost to. Several losses to teams with losing records. Losing to bad teams does not help
3 - When the lost. Failure to win their Conference Tournament and losing and going 2 and Q. and not having a winning record in the last 10 games. Losing 5 of their last 6 games.

To be fair - when I asked the question, I was operating under the presumption #3 was irrelevant based upon old criteria. #2 goes for UT Tyler and CTX as well. #1 is a huge discrepancy, and really the only factor that mattered when I made the post.

Based upon the criteria I know now, I no longer question why they didnt get in.

Bracket
(https://i.imgur.com/JjNW2cp.png)

Since explanations are the order of the day, who can explain how a conference runner up who didn't finish in the top 25 gets seeded higher than two conference winners and one of which was ranked 6th? Is SOS that big of a decider?

I do find it kinda funny that TLU and Concordia get to travel over 2000 miles to play each other when they're only 50 miles way from each other.

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 14, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
Since explanations are the order of the day, who can explain how a conference runner up who didn't finish in the top 25 gets seeded higher than two conference winners and one of which was ranked 6th? Is SOS that big of a decider?

I do find it kinda funny that TLU and Concordia get to travel over 2000 miles to play each other when they're only 50 miles way from each other.

Yes, SOS really is that big of a factor.  TLU's SOS is 119, while CTX is 31, thats a pretty significant difference.  When it comes down to it, I think everyone is seeded right where they should be.  Take the Top 25 rankings out of the equation, they mean nothing.

This would have been a great year for the West to be played in TX as you could have put 4 TX teams there, the NWC and 1 SCIAC and fly the other SCIAC somewhere else. 

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 14, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
Since explanations are the order of the day, who can explain how a conference runner up who didn't finish in the top 25 gets seeded higher than two conference winners and one of which was ranked 6th? Is SOS that big of a decider?

I do find it kinda funny that TLU and Concordia get to travel over 2000 miles to play each other when they're only 50 miles way from each other.

The criteria used by the NCAA are different than the D3baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25 (or for that matter the ABCA Top 30) poll. TLU and CTX are playing because the NCAA did not want Redlands and Chapman or UT-D and CTX playing each other in the first round. TLU and CTX are roughly/naturally the  #4 and #3 seeds in the region.

IMHO, there is not a dime's worth of difference in the Top 5 seeds and Willamette is truly my darkhorse.

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 14, 2018, 07:41:45 PM

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 14, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
Since explanations are the order of the day, who can explain how a conference runner up who didn't finish in the top 25 gets seeded higher than two conference winners and one of which was ranked 6th? Is SOS that big of a decider?

I do find it kinda funny that TLU and Concordia get to travel over 2000 miles to play each other when they're only 50 miles way from each other.

Yes, SOS really is that big of a factor.  TLU's SOS is 119, while CTX is 31, thats a pretty significant difference.  When it comes down to it, I think everyone is seeded right where they should be.  Take the Top 25 rankings out of the equation, they mean nothing.

This would have been a great year for the West to be played in TX as you could have put 4 TX teams there, the NWC and 1 SCIAC and fly the other SCIAC somewhere else.

I am glad that they are flying a Texas team to another region.  I will be very upset if UTT goes 2 and BBQ (again).

Since 2010, here is UTT's record in the West Regionals

2010 1-2 (eliminated by Mississippi College, which was still a member of the ASC)
2011  0-2
2013  2-2 
2015  0-2
2016  2-2
2017  0-2.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2018, 08:45:42 PM

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 14, 2018, 07:41:45 PM

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 14, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
Since explanations are the order of the day, who can explain how a conference runner up who didn't finish in the top 25 gets seeded higher than two conference winners and one of which was ranked 6th? Is SOS that big of a decider?

I do find it kinda funny that TLU and Concordia get to travel over 2000 miles to play each other when they're only 50 miles way from each other.

Yes, SOS really is that big of a factor.  TLU's SOS is 119, while CTX is 31, thats a pretty significant difference.  When it comes down to it, I think everyone is seeded right where they should be.  Take the Top 25 rankings out of the equation, they mean nothing.

This would have been a great year for the West to be played in TX as you could have put 4 TX teams there, the NWC and 1 SCIAC and fly the other SCIAC somewhere else.

I am glad that they are flying a Texas team to another region.  I will be very upset if UTT goes 2 and BBQ (again).

Since 2010, here is UTT's record in the West Regionals

2010 1-2 (eliminated by Mississippi College, which was still a member of the ASC)
2011  0-2
2013  2-2 
2015  0-2
2016  2-2
2017  0-2 *0-3  Forgetting to tarp the field on Saturday night should count as a big L

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 14, 2018, 08:53:01 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2018, 08:45:42 PM

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 14, 2018, 07:41:45 PM

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 14, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
Since explanations are the order of the day, who can explain how a conference runner up who didn't finish in the top 25 gets seeded higher than two conference winners and one of which was ranked 6th? Is SOS that big of a decider?

I do find it kinda funny that TLU and Concordia get to travel over 2000 miles to play each other when they're only 50 miles way from each other.

Yes, SOS really is that big of a factor.  TLU's SOS is 119, while CTX is 31, thats a pretty significant difference.  When it comes down to it, I think everyone is seeded right where they should be.  Take the Top 25 rankings out of the equation, they mean nothing.

This would have been a great year for the West to be played in TX as you could have put 4 TX teams there, the NWC and 1 SCIAC and fly the other SCIAC somewhere else.

I am glad that they are flying a Texas team to another region.  I will be very upset if UTT goes 2 and BBQ (again).

Since 2010, here is UTT's record in the West Regionals

2010 1-2 (eliminated by Mississippi College, which was still a member of the ASC)
2011  0-2
2013  2-2 
2015  0-2
2016  2-2
2017  0-2 *0-3  Forgetting to tarp the field on Saturday night should count as a big L

LOL  Touche'

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2018, 08:56:19 PM

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 14, 2018, 08:53:01 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2018, 08:45:42 PM

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 14, 2018, 07:41:45 PM

Quote from: bzzboyz on May 14, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
Since explanations are the order of the day, who can explain how a conference runner up who didn't finish in the top 25 gets seeded higher than two conference winners and one of which was ranked 6th? Is SOS that big of a decider?

I do find it kinda funny that TLU and Concordia get to travel over 2000 miles to play each other when they're only 50 miles way from each other.

Yes, SOS really is that big of a factor.  TLU's SOS is 119, while CTX is 31, thats a pretty significant difference.  When it comes down to it, I think everyone is seeded right where they should be.  Take the Top 25 rankings out of the equation, they mean nothing.

This would have been a great year for the West to be played in TX as you could have put 4 TX teams there, the NWC and 1 SCIAC and fly the other SCIAC somewhere else.

I am glad that they are flying a Texas team to another region.  I will be very upset if UTT goes 2 and BBQ (again).

Since 2010, here is UTT's record in the West Regionals

2010 1-2 (eliminated by Mississippi College, which was still a member of the ASC)
2011  0-2
2013  2-2 
2015  0-2
2016  2-2
2017  0-2 *0-3  Forgetting to tarp the field on Saturday night should count as a big L
2017  0-2 *0-4  Wearing the Astro's 60 jerseys and expect to be taken seriously...

A few thoughts on the West Regional (all stats in order seeding)

Team Batting Average
1. Chapman- .308
2. Redlands- .323
3. Concordia- .310
4. TLU- .317
5. UT-Dallas- .349
6. Willamette- .284

Team ERA
1. Chapman- 3.09
2. Redlands- 3.55
3. Concordia- 4.82
4. TLU- 2.85
5. UT-Dallas- 4.64
6. Willamette- 4.02

# of pitchers with 5+ starts
1. Chapman- 4
2. Redlands- 3
3. Concordia- 3
4. TLU- 3
5. UT-Dallas- 4
6. Willamette- 3

*This is a big stat seeing as you have to win a minimum of 4 games to get out of the Regional*

HR,2B,3B,SB
1. Chapman- 39,89,12,56
2. Redlands- 23,118,20,111
3. Concordia- 20,82,14,58
4. TLU- 29,101,22,67
5. UT-Dallas-  30,91,15,25
6. Willamette- 33,81,14,60

I think this is a very balanced region and really feel like any of the top 5 teams can win it (sorry Willamette).There is a mix of really good pitching and really good hitting with a few things standing out to me:

1. Redlands runs like crazy with over 2.5 SB's per game.
2. Which ace will have the best opening game?
3. Will Redlands throw Minjarez against UT-Dallas since they already faced him earlier this year?
4. Can the CTX bullpen keep them in games?
5. Will the Redlands starters work deep into games to avoid their shaky and fairly untested bullpen?
6. Can any of these teams find the magic Cal Lu and Trinity had in the past two seasons (very different magic by TU and CLU)?

I don't think I can give an honest pick on who will come out of this region, but whoever it is will be battle tested when they get to Appleton.  Check back with me late Saturday night and I'll tell you who I think wins the West.

Thanks for the update.

I think that the West Region is the strongest region in the country. There are NO weak conferences in the region.

You will note that all 4 Pool A bids were earned by the #3 seeds.  There may be a half dozen weak teams in the entire Region.  Look at the upset losses that occurred this year.

Chapman will win the west regional. If they don't, I will leave the boards forever.

Quote from: Skips Soldier on May 15, 2018, 11:29:16 PM
Chapman will win the west regional. If they don't, I will leave the boards forever.

I like the self-aware humor, and trying to rally around your last post.

I am still amazed at 7 west team in the playoffs. No need to ship someone west and now they are shipping west teams east to fill brackets.

Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 16, 2018, 12:38:20 AM
I am still amazed at 7 west team in the playoffs. No need to ship someone west and now they are shipping west teams east to fill brackets.

Jim knows how excited I am that we have 7 West teams in the playoffs.  My expectation was that the NCAA would give us 5 and ship someone from the other part of the country to Spokane.

I am curious to see how Texas-Tyler fares in the Central Region. This is a top-heavy regional with Webster, Whitewater and Tyler (in my opinion) being a few steps ahead of the bottom three seeds.

Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2018, 08:46:48 AM
I am curious to see how Texas-Tyler fares in the Central Region. This is a top-heavy regional with Webster, Whitewater and Tyler (in my opinion) being a few steps ahead of the bottom three seeds.

IMHO, anything less than 2-2 for UT-Tyler in the Central Regional is a disappointment.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2018, 08:49:16 AM

Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2018, 08:46:48 AM
I am curious to see how Texas-Tyler fares in the Central Region. This is a top-heavy regional with Webster, Whitewater and Tyler (in my opinion) being a few steps ahead of the bottom three seeds.

IMHO, anything less than 2-2 for UT-Tyler in the Central Regional is a disappointment.

I can't disagree.

http://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/bsb/2017-18/2018ncaatournament

That Steindorf was able to keep Chapman under control did not surprise me.  Allowing 14 hits in 7 innings was a lot, but Chapman did not execute with runners on base with 2 outs. 

However, Cody Turner's eye-catching 0.90 ERA took a hit with 3 runs, 2 earned, facing 5 batters, in 0.1 innings.

Thru 7 innings, Chapman narrowed the score to 6-4, then the Bearcats scored one in 8th, and 3 in the 9th. Joe Faudskar  came on in the eighth to get the save.

This regional is looking to be wide open!

That game is going to haunt Redlands for a while.  UTD was down to their last out, and I believe their last strike, before getting a clutch RBI single to tie the game.  Redlands leads off the bottom of 9 with a double and three straight hitters fail to move the guy.  Great pitching by both teams but just  crushing loss for Redlands.  I think this regional comes down to UTD and TLU...

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 17, 2018, 09:23:58 PM
That game is going to haunt Redlands for a while.  UTD was down to their last out, and I believe their last strike, before getting a clutch RBI single to tie the game.  Redlands leads off the bottom of 9 with a double and three straight hitters fail to move the guy.  Great pitching by both teams but just  crushing loss for Redlands.  I think this regional comes down to UTD and TLU...

Isn't that Redlands UTD game so "West Regional"! 

(I left work for the 40 minute drive home with UTD trailing 1-0 after 8 innings. Regardless of the outcome, I knew that we had had another West Region Classic.)

(https://i.imgur.com/E1XNp0w.png)

I tell ya!

The West Region is the strongest, most balanced region in the country!

The lower seed beat the higher seed in every game today!

Chapman and Redlands face each other again this season. Not sure why the could have drawn some one else..

Let's see who goes 2 and Q 😟😟

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 18, 2018, 07:22:43 AM
Chapman and Redlands face each other again this season. Not sure why the could have drawn some one else..

Let's see who goes 2 and Q 😟😟

Respectfully, and I am not trying to call you out or be disputatious, I cannot see another pairing in the brackets that does not have conference members not meeting in the first or second round, with the 6 teams that were logically sent to Spokane.  If one team wins and another loses, then they are sent to different 2nd round games.  UTD and CTX could meet for the 6th time this year in Game #7 and then again  in Games #10 and #11.

On the Mideast Regional boards, fans were complaining about NCAC members Wooster and Wabash, a #1 and a #8 seed meeting in the first round!

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 17, 2018, 09:23:58 PM
That game is going to haunt Redlands for a while.  UTD was down to their last out, and I believe their last strike, before getting a clutch RBI single to tie the game.  Redlands leads off the bottom of 9 with a double and three straight hitters fail to move the guy.  Great pitching by both teams but just  crushing loss for Redlands.  I think this regional comes down to UTD and TLU...

Looking at the box score, I don't see how Redlands goes from Minjarez to a freshman for the 10th.  Minjarez gives them the best chance of holding on and was at 114 pitches.  Obviously I don't know the reasoning and never will, I just feel like that should have been his game to win/lose.

Was nice to see UT Tyler pick up the dubya against Aurora as well.

To your point, Ralph, I've always thought the West was one of the most talented and deepest regions.

What seemed to hold them back in their title drought from '04 to '13 was that they didn't have to develop as much pitching in the warmer climates/games spread out.

You see a lot of these teams have formidable #1 and #2's w/ and okay #3 and 1-2 guys in the pen. (And it's just not enough when you run into a true 4-man rotation + 2-3 arms in the pen in the 6+ team tournament format).

-JSG

Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 18, 2018, 10:05:13 AM
Was nice to see UT Tyler pick up the dubya against Aurora as well.

To your point, Ralph, I've always thought the West was one of the most talented and deepest regions.

What seemed to hold them back in their title drought from '04 to '13 was that they didn't have to develop as much pitching in the warmer climates/games spread out.

You see a lot of these teams have formidable #1 and #2's w/ and okay #3 and 1-2 guys in the pen. (And it's just not enough when you run into a true 4-man rotation + 2-3 arms in the pen in the 6+ team tournament format).

-JSG

Thanks for the comment. You are right on.

Next season, D-3 moves to a super regional format, so we lose the 6- and 8- team opening week regionals. That may hurt us a bit.

One other thing that we have seen develop across the region is a significant number of  coaches scheduling good non-conference teams. I give credit to Coach Boggs for seeking out quality non-conference opponents for he Pool C bids in 2017 and 2018.

Even making sure that a team plays the quality teams in Arizona in February,
or bringing a northern team to Texas on a spring trip for several games,
or going to Sauget IL to play Concordia-Chicago and Webster, as CTX did
or UT-Dallas going to play a DH against Wash U St Louis at Hendrix as UTDallas did
helps chances at an at-large bid.

If Concordia beats Willamette, how does the bracket change?

There's no current 'path' for the Game 5 loser should said loser only have 1 loss.

Thanks for clarification in advance.

JSG

Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 18, 2018, 05:42:53 PM
If Concordia beats Willamette, how does the bracket change?

There's no current 'path' for the Game 5 loser should said loser only have 1 loss.

Thanks for clarification in advance.

JSG

The handbook has a bracket for 5 surviving teams after Game #6 on page 15.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2018DIIIMBA_PreChampsManual_20180302.pdf

Willamette pulled the pitcher with 2 on, 1 out and a 5-2 lead in the 5th.

Poor guy, 2 outs shy of being the pitcher of record.

(The 3,4,5 batters are up next.)

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2018, 08:26:34 PM
Willamette pulled the pitcher with 2 on, 1 out and a 5-2 lead in the 5th.

Poor guy, 2 outs shy of being the pitcher of record.

(The 3,4,5 batters are up next.)

On the other hand, with only two on and a three run lead when he was pulled, he can't be the losing pitcher! ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/DwsLJ1x.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/8caTcNU.png)

In the Central Regional, UTT came all the back through the loser's bracket in an 8 team regional and will play Rhodes tomorrow for the Championship. They avenged an earlier loss to UW Whitewater wining 4-1 just after they eliminated the top seeded team Webster. The played and won 3 elimination games in a row. Now have to win 2 more. Not sure who is able to pitch as they have already played 5 games.

Congrats. TLU. It's been a long time coming.

Congratulations TLU on winning the West Region.  TLU 6, Willamette 5 (10)

I suspect that TLU will have Malinowsky fresh to start Game 1.

Must be something about the Lutherans in gold jerseys on a Sunday.  Great game and I am really looking forward to see what TLU can do in Appleton.

Texas Lutheran to CWS.
(https://i.imgur.com/K1XQzJ1.png)

I have been so busy at work I have not been able to post but picked up the last half of the WR championship game.

I am so happy for TLU program to represent the West (maybe two teams if UTT can win tomorrow!) They have been playing this year for their team mate who was killed in a tragic accident and I am very excited for the Bulldog players and their families. Bring back the bronze and walnut to the West and SCAC boys. I will be a Bulldog fan for a few weeks.

 

I don't follow like I used to, but watching this Bulldog bunch the last couple days has been a lot of fun.

They're resilient as hell and with the limited scope that I have they seem to do the following really well:

• Focus on "the process" (i.e. executing the little things/not getting ahead of themselves)
• They can all "talk" baseball, which means they "get" the game. You can win without these guys, of course, but it's nice to have them.
• They seem to love each other. I've enjoyed watching these seniors enjoy Spokane and comment on their farewell tour.

There are clearly a lot of emotions in that dugout. A lot of those upper classmen are playing for the player who passed away (class of '16, I believe). I'm not afraid to admit that seeing his mother tweet to all the guys that "they're not finished," certainly got me a bit choked up last night.

Beyond that, they just seem like a classy bunch. There's a lot of good kids and good ball players playing D3, but it's hard to get that "right" combination of talent, baseball savvy, grit, class, etc.. This team seems to have all of those things.

Kudos to Texas Lutheran for getting over the hump and getting to Appleton. It's been a long time coming.

Certainly the best day of GB's baseball career since hitting BP bombs at Howard Payne in the 1940's.  ;D

JSG

Tyler defeats Rhodes to force a winner take all to go to the series!

Amazing finish!  UTT 5 Rhodes 4. UTT goes to Wisconsin

Quote from: dp643 on May 21, 2018, 03:33:04 PM
Tyler defeats Rhodes to force a winner take all to go to the series!

UTT down 4-1 going to bottom of 9th.   They string together a hit, some walks and game ending bases loaded errors by Rhodes to win 5-4!!   Congrats Texas Tyler!!

Looks like two West teams have advance to Appleton  !!!

Unbelievable! UTT was running on fumes had to win 5 elimination games in a row and behind by 3 runs in the 9th!!

I hope their pitchers have something left for Appleton!

A great thing for the West Region to have 2 teams going to Appleton, I was hoping one of them might have been a SCIAC team, but it was not meant to be this year.

Good luck to the West Region Champs TLU and Central (via the West) Region Champs UT-T .  How about getting us an all West Region Final?  8-)

Quote from: TexasBB on May 21, 2018, 06:53:53 PM
Unbelievable! UTT was running on fumes had to win 5 elimination games in a row and behind by 3 runs in the 9th!!

I hope their pitchers have something left for Appleton!

They have until Friday for the opener and then 2nd game on Saturday. They should be recovered by then.

Very cool to see the West with 2 teams in Wisconsin.  Also cool to see that two out of the three times a West team has been shipped, they have won that regional. 

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 22, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
Very cool to see the West with 2 teams in Wisconsin.  Also cool to see that two out of the three times a West team has been shipped, they have won that regional.

+1!

Thanks for reminding me.  Was that Pac Lu or Linfield?

Friday's opening day games

Bracket A           

Oswego State vs Texas Tyler
Misericordia vs. Randolph-Macon

Bracket B           

Concordia-Chicago vs. Swarthmore
Wooster vs Texas Lutheran

Different brackets (as first noted by Texas BB on Championship board).

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2018, 10:20:46 AM

Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 22, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
Very cool to see the West with 2 teams in Wisconsin.  Also cool to see that two out of the three times a West team has been shipped, they have won that regional.

+1!

Thanks for reminding me.  Was that Pac Lu or Linfield?

Linfield was shipped to the Central (I think) the year they won the National Title.  Pacific Lutheran was sent to the South a few years back and showed well, but didn't make it through.

IF they had ship West teams to 3 different regionals. Would TEXAS have 3 teams going to Appleton  ??? ???... We will never know

Quote from: Mike Lehman on May 22, 2018, 12:12:48 PM
IF they had ship West teams to 3 different regionals. Would TEXAS have 3 teams going to Appleton  ??? ???... We will never know

Mike, Willamette was not a "#6 seed"!

If we get a couple of showings for at least 1-2 records by TLU and UT-Tyler, then that speaks volumes for the strength of the West Region.  All of the Pool A bids were #3 seeds in their conference tourneys.

Irrespective of what happens today, the two Texas teams represented the west region well. They both made to the bracket finals - final 4!

Quote from: TexasBB on May 28, 2018, 01:39:10 PM
Irrespective of what happens today, the two Texas teams represented the west region well. They both made to the bracket finals - final 4!

Congrats Texas-Tyler for todays win.    Heading to Tuesday's championship game!!

Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 28, 2018, 04:24:09 PM

Quote from: TexasBB on May 28, 2018, 01:39:10 PM
Irrespective of what happens today, the two Texas teams represented the west region well. They both made to the bracket finals - final 4!

Congrats Texas-Tyler for todays win.    Heading to Tuesday's championship game!!

The West Region will have a finalist (and maybe two) for the 4th time in the last 5 years.

This is the toughest and most balanced region in D3 baseball!

UT-Tyler came through the Central Regional too.