Right now the bids are as follows:
https://ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx
Given the NE Bowl (NEW/ECFC/CCC/MAS) and MAC/CC commitments, the best resumes based on today would probably be:
Hobart, Westminster and W&J. If CMU loses to Case Saturday, they end up in here, but behind HOB & W&J who I assume will be 8-2. USMMA could be on this list if they somehow lose out in the NEW tiebreaker, but my guess is they end up in NE Bowl in that case, especially if CUA loses to SC Saturday.
Next level would be a 7-3 GCC and CMU (if they lose to Case). GCC beat CMU early in the season, so the H2H bump would go to the Wolverines. Brockport should also come in at 7-3 but may be they lose to Alfred after that weird loss to Mo State? If Saxons win they'd be a good 6-4 road team to send down to one of the PAC 8-2 teams. Utica should also be 6-4.
Maybe this whole thing ends up as a NYS-PAC round robin?
GCC at HOB
ALF at W&J
UTICA at WES
Add it looks like RPI just put in as insurance against a Shoes game loss....
Could see CMU at RPI if they both lost this weekend
Quote from: ITH radio on November 09, 2021, 10:38:14 AM
Right now the bids are as follows:
https://ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx
Given the NE Bowl (NEW/ECFC/CCC/MAS) and MAC/CC commitments, the best resumes based on today would probably be:
Hobart, Westminster and W&J. If CMU loses to Case Saturday, they end up in here, but behind HOB & W&J who I assume will be 8-2. USMMA could be on this list if they somehow lose out in the NEW tiebreaker, but my guess is they end up in NE Bowl in that case, especially if CUA loses to SC Saturday.
Next level would be a 7-3 GCC and CMU (if they lose to Case). GCC beat CMU early in the season, so the H2H bump would go to the Wolverines. Brockport should also come in at 7-3 but may be they lose to Alfred after that weird loss to Mo State? If Saxons win they'd be a good 6-4 road team to send down to one of the PAC 8-2 teams. Utica should also be 6-4.
Maybe this whole thing ends up as a NYS-PAC round robin?
GCC at HOB
ALF at W&J
UTICA at WES
Good to see Hobart back in the mix! Would be great to see LL play the PAC and get away from E8 opponents only
Quote from: ITH radio on November 09, 2021, 10:38:14 AM
Right now the bids are as follows:
https://ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx
Given the NE Bowl (NEW/ECFC/CCC/MAS) and MAC/CC commitments, the best resumes based on today would probably be:
Hobart, Westminster and W&J. If CMU loses to Case Saturday, they end up in here, but behind HOB & W&J who I assume will be 8-2. USMMA could be on this list if they somehow lose out in the NEW tiebreaker, but my guess is they end up in NE Bowl in that case, especially if CUA loses to SC Saturday.
Next level would be a 7-3 GCC and CMU (if they lose to Case). GCC beat CMU early in the season, so the H2H bump would go to the Wolverines. Brockport should also come in at 7-3 but may be they lose to Alfred after that weird loss to Mo State? If Saxons win they'd be a good 6-4 road team to send down to one of the PAC 8-2 teams. Utica should also be 6-4.
Maybe this whole thing ends up as a NYS-PAC round robin?
GCC at HOB
ALF at W&J
UTICA at WES
The six team MAC/CC challenge is definitely a go. Saw it announced some time ago.
However, have seen nothing anywhere about the New England Bowl Series. Is this four team thing still on for sure?
Does the two team New York Bowl even exist anymore? Frankly, it seemed that nobody really ever cared. One year they actually had to cancel this thing because absolutely no one from the Liberty League would play the game.
If all the above are still on it will entail 12 teams but about a half dozen likely candidates for these six games are also on the ECAC declared list. Can't be in two places at once.
RPI did indeed declare just before the supposed deadline. Other undeclared teams really have until midnight Saturday to declare per the ECAC manual.
Worst case scenario for RPI is to lose Saturday and end up 8-2. Usually plenty good enough to get a home game, especially if a fourth game is added. However, with the gate receipts of anywhere from $2,500 to $5,000 from these games belonging to the ECAC, why would anyone of sound mind give one of the home games to an institution whose spectator policies virtually guarantees the gross income to be a lot closer to zero than either of the previous figures.
The same would probably be true of the NCAA should RPI win Saturday. Again, who in their right mind would put a game somewhere where it can generate little to no revenue? However, as they have shown countless times already, if anybody hung the NCAA for being of sound mind they would be hanging the innocent.
The ODAC tried to do a "Neptune Bowl" between the first non-tournament team and Newport News Apprentice. I believe it was held one year, in 2019, then probably died helped along by apathy, COVID, and the fact that I think every ODAC team played NNA this regular season since the Conference is temporarily down to 7 members. I haven't seen it spoke about since, but the first game, in Virginia Beach, was not highly thought of, at least by anyone I know. Unfortunately the choice of opponent was... uninspiring... and R-MC beat NNA 35-3 in a game that wasn't that close.
NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.
Quote from: jknezek on November 10, 2021, 08:56:57 AM
The ODAC tried to do a "Neptune Bowl" between the first non-tournament team and Newport News Apprentice. I believe it was held one year, in 2019, then probably died helped along by apathy, COVID, and the fact that I think every ODAC team played NNA this regular season since the Conference is temporarily down to 7 members. I haven't seen it spoke about since, but the first game, in Virginia Beach, was not highly thought of, at least by anyone I know. Unfortunately the choice of opponent was... uninspiring... and R-MC beat NNA 35-3 in a game that wasn't that close.
ODAC would be better off doing a runner up bowl with USAC. A RMC vs. Methodist game could be pretty decent and a nice chance for the senior players to get one last game in.
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2021, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 10, 2021, 08:56:57 AM
The ODAC tried to do a "Neptune Bowl" between the first non-tournament team and Newport News Apprentice. I believe it was held one year, in 2019, then probably died helped along by apathy, COVID, and the fact that I think every ODAC team played NNA this regular season since the Conference is temporarily down to 7 members. I haven't seen it spoke about since, but the first game, in Virginia Beach, was not highly thought of, at least by anyone I know. Unfortunately the choice of opponent was... uninspiring... and R-MC beat NNA 35-3 in a game that wasn't that close.
ODAC would be better off doing a runner up bowl with USAC. A RMC vs. Methodist game could be pretty decent and a nice chance for the senior players to get one last game in.
The ODAC still believes the Neptune Bowl to be alive, just on hiatus this year.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2021, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2021, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 10, 2021, 08:56:57 AM
The ODAC tried to do a "Neptune Bowl" between the first non-tournament team and Newport News Apprentice. I believe it was held one year, in 2019, then probably died helped along by apathy, COVID, and the fact that I think every ODAC team played NNA this regular season since the Conference is temporarily down to 7 members. I haven't seen it spoke about since, but the first game, in Virginia Beach, was not highly thought of, at least by anyone I know. Unfortunately the choice of opponent was... uninspiring... and R-MC beat NNA 35-3 in a game that wasn't that close.
ODAC would be better off doing a runner up bowl with USAC. A RMC vs. Methodist game could be pretty decent and a nice chance for the senior players to get one last game in.
The ODAC still believes the Neptune Bowl to be alive, just on hiatus this year.
Huh. Interesting. That's why I used "probably". I hadn't seen anything about it, but 2020 was obviously a cluster and this year... well, what would be the point? NNA was beaten by every ODAC team they actually met on the field. To be fair, the Builders probably had a shot at beating Guilford had that game not been cancelled/forfeited for COVID. I will say this was one of the better Builders teams I've seen, but the most likely opponent this year would have been a re-match with R-MC, a 49-7 game played just a few weeks ago.
I think most fans would rather see the ODAC-USASAC match, or an SAA match, or even the next available team in the CC or PAC rather than the Builders, but I'm assuming the Virginia Beach location has a lot to do with the choice of opponent. I also wonder about money and how many teams would be willing to foot the travel bill for another game, especially if it was an SAA opponent like Hendrix or Trinity.
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.
Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls? I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 10, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.
Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls? I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.
With all the E8/LL interplay in the regular season it could very well result in a rematch, which was not preferable.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2021, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 10, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.
Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls? I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.
With all the E8/LL interplay in the regular season it could very well result in a rematch, which was not preferable.
Yea that was the problem to begin with. You can't simply set up Bowl games by rule (2nd place) because of the crossover. But another IC/Utica, Union/Brockport, Hobart/Cortland, etc might be fun to watch.
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 10, 2021, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2021, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 10, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.
Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls? I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.
With all the E8/LL interplay in the regular season it could very well result in a rematch, which was not preferable.
Yea that was the problem to begin with. You can't simply set up Bowl games by rule (2nd place) because of the crossover. But another IC/Utica, Union/Brockport, Hobart/Cortland, etc might be fun to watch.
Union has never played Brockport. I'd like to see it, but IMO it's unlikely to happen this year. If the Dutchmen fail to get a Pool C their season is probably over, even if they finish 9-1. Union has not yet, and likely won't, declare for an ECAC bowl because of their academic schedule. The first Tri-mester final exams are scheduled for Nov. 19-23.
Quote from: UfanBill on November 10, 2021, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 10, 2021, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2021, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 10, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.
Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls? I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.
With all the E8/LL interplay in the regular season it could very well result in a rematch, which was not preferable.
Yea that was the problem to begin with. You can't simply set up Bowl games by rule (2nd place) because of the crossover. But another IC/Utica, Union/Brockport, Hobart/Cortland, etc might be fun to watch.
Union has never played Brockport. I'd like to see it, but IMO it's unlikely to happen this year. If the Dutchmen fail to get a Pool C their season is probably over, even if they finish 9-1. Union has not yet, and likely won't, declare for an ECAC bowl because of their academic schedule. The first Tri-mester final exams are scheduled for Nov. 19-23.
Weak excuse. This group of seniors (especially the 5th years) deserves to play in at least one post season game.
I think a Utica vs. Hobart ECAC bowl is pretty likely. Will see Monday.
Quote from: ITH radio on November 11, 2021, 01:22:19 PM
I think a Utica vs. Hobart ECAC bowl is pretty likely. Will see Monday.
I agree, as travel time would not be an issue for Utica. I am assuming Hobart would be the home team. This would be a very nice competitive game to cap the season for both teams . Brockport would also be cool. But gotta beat the Yellowjackets, who cannot be taken lightly by the Statesmen.
Anyone care to predict the outcomes of the 2021 ECAC Bowl games?
Anybody know what the deal is with how the ECAC field was seeded???
There are three 8-2 teams but two of them are playing each other meaning automatically that one of them is on the road. Then, the third 8-2 team is also on the road!!!
There are only two 7-3 teams who are both at home while two of the three 8-2 teams are travelling!!!
Even one of the two 6-4 teams is hosting!!!
It does not appear that these odd pairings save a whole lot of travel time or money.
Here in Troy we have gotten pretty used to things that are bats but this one, at least on the surface, takes the cake.
Quote from: tony/troy on November 16, 2021, 06:43:49 PM
Anybody know what the deal is with how the ECAC field was seeded???
There are three 8-2 teams but two of them are playing each other meaning automatically that one of them is on the road. Then, the third 8-2 team is also on the road!!!
There are only two 7-3 teams who are both at home while two of the three 8-2 teams are travelling!!!
Even one of the two 6-4 teams is hosting!!!
It does not appear that these odd pairings save a whole lot of travel time or money.
Here in Troy we have gotten pretty used to things that are bats but this one, at least on the surface, takes the cake.
I don't know how they were seeded.
If I had to guess the matchups are designed to have some cross region games instead of local ones. Then there are some schools who are ready to host (have the staff and field ready to go) and are willing to organize the game. Don't really think records matter that much. I think if there are eight teams, you want the top two teams playing if possible, and the 7th and 8th teams playing if possible.
Maybe ITH can fill us in.
Quote from: Husker Four four on November 16, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
Anyone care to predict the outcomes of the 2021 ECAC Bowl games?
Ha would love a handicapper to pick these things.
I think the only favorite in my mind would be Grove City over Utica?
Hobart/Westminster should be an interesting game. I randomly remember watching film of Buffalo State playing Westminster back when I played. Just looked it up. Westminster was an old NAIA d2 powerhouse beating some good d3 and d2 teams in the NCAA (Buff State, Allegheny and Clarion). Also noticed they beat Hardin-Simmons in the NAIA playoffs back in 1993. Go back further and they beat UW-Lacrosse in the NAIA d2 national championship in 1988. Anyway some interesting football history with Westminster that I never knew.
St. Vinnie going to FDU.....? No clue.
Brockport and W&J could be a good game. Looks like the PAC kind of beat each other up there with the Mellon heads coming out on top.
Scouting Report on Brockport?
A great defense and a very good running game. Passing offense is a work in progress. No one can run on there D and the ball has to come out quick if you throw the ball.
Declared teams as of today 11/6: https://ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx?fbclid=IwAR20AEBh-5D0DBKavLuZ1Yhe7EdCL1FInC-Aze2deymhgBrnSCVBtFNKsn4
Off the top I could see the following:
W&J vs. UU Whitelaw
WES vs. BP Bushnell
RPI vs. GCC Chapman
FDU vs. MOR Lynah
Quote from: ITH radio on November 06, 2022, 01:12:46 PM
Declared teams as of today 11/6: https://ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx?fbclid=IwAR20AEBh-5D0DBKavLuZ1Yhe7EdCL1FInC-Aze2deymhgBrnSCVBtFNKsn4
Off the top I could see the following:
W&J vs. UU Whitelaw
WES vs. BP Bushnell
RPI vs. GCC Chapman
FDU vs. MOR Lynah
Good to see some some R3 teams included. Would be nice to see some others join the frey.
Quote from: ITH radio on November 06, 2022, 01:12:46 PM
Declared teams as of today 11/6: https://ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx?fbclid=IwAR20AEBh-5D0DBKavLuZ1Yhe7EdCL1FInC-Aze2deymhgBrnSCVBtFNKsn4
Off the top I could see the following:
W&J vs. UU Whitelaw
WES vs. BP Bushnell
RPI vs. GCC Chapman
FDU vs. MOR Lynah
Really need to wait for both the declaration deadline (11/7) and the 11/12 results to really get any kind of handle on this thing. A loss by Salisbury against Christopher Newport this Saturday and they would be out of the NCAA and in the ECACs', possibly as a 3 seed behind Utica and Washington and Jefferson. Neither of those are playing anyone this Saturday who is likely to beat them and both are undefeated at 2-0 against the rest of the likely suspects above.
Then, with or without Salisbury, it gets totally nuts and I would not want to be on the committee that has to sort this mess out.
The next five (Brockport, Westminster, Morrisville, RPI and Grove City) are all 6-3 and only one (RPI) is playing someone who can beat them on Saturday. The other four are all playing tomato cans. Brockport and Westminster are not only the first two teams at 6-3 on the SOS list but are also the only 6-3 teams holding wins over other 6-3 teams (Morrisville and Grove City). So one would figure Brockport and Westminster would be the 6-3s' that get the upper middle seeds while Morrisville and Grove City would get the seeds toward the end of the list.
Then there is RPI whose present SOS is fourth among the 6-3s'. A fourth loss would probably drop them behind all four of the teams in the previous paragraph. However, a win against a quality opponent could very well spike their SOS enough to vault them past all four of the above.
All of this, of course, assumes no additional worthy 6-3 teams (like Case Western, Union or Hobart) get a declaration in before the 11/7 deadline. Then it would get beyond nuts.
Hobart got in under the wire, so now there are 5 potential 7-3 teams in the hopper. Going to be interesting.
Quote from: ITH radio on November 08, 2022, 10:49:49 AM
Hobart got in under the wire, so now there are 5 potential 7-3 teams in the hopper. Going to be interesting.
Actually, it is six potential 7-3 teams. If all six do end up 7-3, the only way they can all get in is if Salisbury wins their game and goes to the NCAAs'.
Best guess as to which one would get dropped is Grove City who already has the lowest SOS of the six and is finishing against a 1-8 team with an SOS of 459.
UNION will not be participating in any ECAC Bowl games again this year because the college is on a Tri-semester system (3x10 week terms instead of the traditional 2x15) and fall final exams are Nov.11-17th. For the Dutchmen recently it's been NCAA's or nothing. ::)
ECAC games have been released! 2 from the E8 and 2 from the LL are among the field. Morrisville travels to RPI. https://ecacsports.com/news/2022/11/14/football-ecac-announces-2022-division-iii-bowl-game-pairings.aspx
Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on November 14, 2022, 01:30:27 PM
ECAC games have been released! 2 from the E8 and 2 from the LL are among the field. Morrisville travels to RPI. https://ecacsports.com/news/2022/11/14/football-ecac-announces-2022-division-iii-bowl-game-pairings.aspx
These games will be interesting for the LL participants . I think the RPI defense should make this a tough game for the Mustangs. Hobart , while losing the game on two insane turnovers, held the Mustangs to 167 yards of offense while Hobart moved for 349 yards but only generated 13 points. I'm expecting an RPI Defense to hold the line; however, the question is always whether the RPI offense will show up.
Hobart travels to a strong PAC member in W&J, and hopefully they will have another happy bus coming back to Geneva, when they beat Westminster last year .W&J is a great test and will make this up and down season a "feel good" year. with a win.
Quote from: Bartman on November 14, 2022, 02:56:05 PM
Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on November 14, 2022, 01:30:27 PM
ECAC games have been released! 2 from the E8 and 2 from the LL are among the field. Morrisville travels to RPI. https://ecacsports.com/news/2022/11/14/football-ecac-announces-2022-division-iii-bowl-game-pairings.aspx
These games will be interesting for the LL participants . I think the RPI defense should make this a tough game for the Mustangs. Hobart , while losing the game on two insane turnovers, held the Mustangs to 167 yards of offense while Hobart moved for 349 yards but only generated 13 points. I'm expecting an RPI Defense to hold the line; however, the question is always whether the RPI offense will show up.
Hobart travels to a strong PAC member in W&J, and hopefully they will have another happy bus coming back to Geneva, when they beat Westminster last year .W&J is a great test and will make this up and down season a "feel good" year. with a win.
Know why Hobart did not get sent to Westminster since that game happened last year. Any chance of a Brockport- Washington & Jefferson matchup probably went out the window for the same reason regardless of which one hosted.
What has me totally baffled, assuming Westminster was agreeable to hosting, is how in the hell did Westminster end up traveling? A reasonable argument can be made that of the eight teams in the field they could have been easily "seeded" second, behind only Washington & Jefferson.
Equally baffling is how the hell did Grove City get a home game? A reasonable argument can be made that of the eight teams in the field they could have been easily "seeded" second from the bottom, ahead of only FDU.
Again, assuming Westminster had any desire to host, why did not FDU get sent to Westminster and Grove City get sent to Brockport??
P.S. How about this for a probable future problem as it relates to ECAC Bowl games. Next year the now eleven member PAC will only be playing conference games. The problem is that the bottom six in that conference have about as much chance of beating the top five as a Hallmark movie has of ending without a lip lock!!! Even if any of the top group got swept by the other top four teams, they would still only have four losses and could possibly snatch an ECAC bid away from someone else by merely filing a declaration. Should there be a limit established on how many teams from a conference can receive an ECAC bid? Like three??? Common sense!!!
Is Rowan and CNU not ECAC members?
ECAC website story repeatedly refers to WILLIAM & Jefferson....
You'd think the third-winningest team (771 wins) in NCAA Division III would not be misidentified...
https://ecacsports.com/news/2022/11/19/football-presidents-pick-up-bushnell-bowl-victory-over-statesmen.aspx