I am absolutely loving how PBP broadcaster Dave McHugh has now referred twice to Conn College GK Sam Maidenburg as "Maidenform." :D
(Sounds like something I'd do behind the mic, frankly.)
Three now! ;D
Interesting first half. W&L seemed to be right on the threshold of a breakthrough two or three times, but the back line of the Camels came through nicely. At the other end, the Camels are doing some nice midrange setup passes, but their forwards aren't timing it right and have been called for multiple offsides.
Seems relatively evenly matched, to me.
This pitch doesn't look all that great. This is the best they could do?
That's now eight offsides calls against Conn College.
Feels like the Generals are getting closer to breaking through.
Zimmerman in the 73rd minute. W&L up 1-0.
Tsuma with an absolute banger to tie it. 1-1 with 7 to go.
Tshuma with a beautiful rip from 27 out to the far post ties it up for Conn College at 1-1 in the 83rd minute.
Kutsanzira of W&L sent off with a second yellow in the 86th minute. It was an absolutely terrible call. The Generals will now have to play it out a man down.
What a screamer for the equalizer. That and the dubious second yellow is quite the double whammy.
Going to OT.
Yeonas dives in to redirect a ball shot from the left angle in the 110th minute. Camels move on to the national championship game.
That red card decision was just an embarrassment to the game of of soccer. So disappointing to see.
Two very even teams....thought W&L was a little bit better overall but Conn is a tough group.
Yes, terrible call by the ref and I think he lost track as he took a long time and only after looking at his notes realized it was a 2nd yellow. I don't think he gives that card if he remembers the kid already is on a yellow.
Great final play by Conn...#8 is a helluva of a player who served the ball in...and Yeonas was more prominent in this game than Bass.
While a bit of a stain on the game I don't think had a huge impact on the outcome. Conn leveled and had some momentum before the send off. Maybe if it goes into the 2nd OT. The biggest impact was going to be the kid missing the final. W&L had a great chance in OT when I think #15 made a great cut in and run and probably needed to get a pass out before he got trapped.
Thought both teams couldn't completely catch their breath especially in the 1st half because of magnitude of the game.
So tough to lose when the margins are so thin and the stakes so high.
It was a good game, and I congratulate Connecticut College. Coach Burke has done a phenomenal job.
Zimmerman is absolutely lethal. He was close to having some other real chances several times.
Thought Djerdjaj acquitted himself very well and Yeonas, Jaran and Bocchetti were outstanding. Incredible strike by Tshuma. Not as familiar with the W&L players but I think it was #21 who was really good and several others were outstanding. Thought W&L got more ref calls in 1st half and Conn more in 2nd half. W&L had some free kicks they probably wish they could get back.
Really good game.
If box score correct Yeonas never came off the field and he never stopped running. Easy to say when gets the GW which I credit more to Jaran but Yeonas still MOM for me. What an engine that guy is.
Gotta amend a little...that was a fantastic, gutsy finish by Yeonas...service and finish were outstanding. Jaran had the great free kick earlier from not the best angle that he bent in through the six that Djerdjaj should have buried as he was wide open but sailed the ball way high, and I think that was before Zimmerman scored iirc.
I guess I'll sit in the minority and say that tackle was unnecessary by W&L and while maybe a harsh yellow, there was no need for him to clatter into that guy. PPL saying he dove... watch it again. The dude went in at his thighs. Not a normal tackle and gave the ref room to wield the yellow.
I meant to call out Tshuma in this thread as a true wild card, because he took over the Tufts game at a number of key moments. (I mentioned him in my comments watching that game but really botched spelling his name.) That strike today was just sublime. Amazing.
But I also want to say I came away impressed with the Generals. The last 3 games they showed why they got such high marks throughout the season. And, yes, Zimmerman is going to be real trouble the next two years. He has that intangible ability to ghost.. Where is he? oh, crap.. he's 4 yards away from me in space in the box. He also has sneaky touch in space. Cool guy to watch.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on December 03, 2021, 07:59:22 PM
I guess I'll sit in the minority and say that tackle was unnecessary by W&L and while maybe a harsh yellow, there was no need for him to clatter into that guy. PPL saying he dove... watch it again. The dude went in at his thighs. Not a normal tackle and gave the ref room to wield the yellow.
I meant to call out Tshuma in this thread as a true wild card, because he took over the Tufts game at a number of key moments. (I mentioned him in my comments watching that game but really botched spelling his name.) That strike today was just sublime. Amazing.
But I also want to say I came away impressed with the Generals. The last 3 games they showed why they got such high marks throughout the season. And, yes, Zimmerman is going to be real trouble the next two years. He has that intangible ability to ghost.. Where is he? oh, crap.. he's 4 yards away from me in space in the box. He also has sneaky touch in space. Cool guy to watch.
I think I agree with you. If that's a first yellow probably none of us even blink. The rub for me is it seemed the ref had lost track he had given the kid a yellow already. Now if he would have given the second one anyway, then OK. Certainly he had given out a handful of cards up to that point so should not be a shock and it was unnecessary to make that play way down in the other team's end.
Amherst is playing well, and while I am not paying close attention, it seems like "pretty" -- or, not ugly, soccer to me.
What are they talking about??? A national semi happening and the tangents are just wow. And can they let the whole thing breathe just a little bit?
Quote from: PaulNewman on December 03, 2021, 08:39:13 PM
What are they talking about??? A national semi happening and the tangents are just wow. And can they let the whole thing breathe just a little bit?
I'll say it. The term "nil" should be banned from game. Hate me.
Um.That save was... fine? Um. Expected?
I hit mute about five minutes in, then I put the volume back on just long enough for them to pontificate on why drop balls should be contested...back to mute.
Chicago was playing very nervous and tentative for the first 30 minutes. Their achievement was to go into the half 0-0. But much better in the final 15 minutes.
Quote from: PaulNewman on December 03, 2021, 08:11:15 PM
Quote from: Hopkins92 on December 03, 2021, 07:59:22 PM
I guess I'll sit in the minority and say that tackle was unnecessary by W&L and while maybe a harsh yellow, there was no need for him to clatter into that guy. PPL saying he dove... watch it again. The dude went in at his thighs. Not a normal tackle and gave the ref room to wield the yellow.
I meant to call out Tshuma in this thread as a true wild card, because he took over the Tufts game at a number of key moments. (I mentioned him in my comments watching that game but really botched spelling his name.) That strike today was just sublime. Amazing.
But I also want to say I came away impressed with the Generals. The last 3 games they showed why they got such high marks throughout the season. And, yes, Zimmerman is going to be real trouble the next two years. He has that intangible ability to ghost.. Where is he? oh, crap.. he's 4 yards away from me in space in the box. He also has sneaky touch in space. Cool guy to watch.
I think I agree with you. If that's a first yellow probably none of us even blink. The rub for me is it seemed the ref had lost track he had given the kid a yellow already. Now if he would have given the second one anyway, then OK. Certainly he had given out a handful of cards up to that point so should not be a shock and it was unnecessary to make that play way down in the other team's end.
Stupid, completely unnecessary, and flagrant foul. Yellow deserved even if he was already on a previous yellow. I have no problem with this call whatsoever.
Quote from: PaulNewman on December 03, 2021, 08:39:13 PM
What are they talking about??? A national semi happening and the tangents are just wow. And can they let the whole thing breathe just a little bit?
And good lord, please stop calling Amherst #9 "Giamanti" - there's no letter n in there. It's like fingernails on chalkboard ...
Wada is an absolute stud. He's the best defender I've seen since the likes of Vegter from Calvin, Carwile from Trinity, and Lanahan from Brandeis.
Quote from: SimpleCoach on December 03, 2021, 09:03:23 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on December 03, 2021, 08:39:13 PM
What are they talking about??? A national semi happening and the tangents are just wow. And can they let the whole thing breathe just a little bit?
I'll say it. The term "nil" should be banned from game. Hate me.
The English invented the sport, they're allowed to dictate its nomenclature -- especially since we Yanks are Johnny Latecomer to the game.
When it comes to "into touch" rather than "out of bounds," though, that's where I draw the line ... so to speak.
This could go another 90 minutes without a goal. Very few ideas in the final 1/3 for either team.
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on December 03, 2021, 09:50:10 PM
Wada is an absolute stud. He's the best defender I've seen since the likes of Vegter from Calvin, Carwile from Trinity, and Lanahan from Brandeis.
... and yet the good folks at the USC didn't see fit to put him on their All-American team.
One of several head-shakers.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on December 03, 2021, 07:59:22 PM
I guess I'll sit in the minority and say that tackle was unnecessary by W&L and while maybe a harsh yellow, there was no need for him to clatter into that guy. PPL saying he dove... watch it again. The dude went in at his thighs. Not a normal tackle and gave the ref room to wield the yellow.
I meant to call out Tshuma in this thread as a true wild card, because he took over the Tufts game at a number of key moments. (I mentioned him in my comments watching that game but really botched spelling his name.) That strike today was just sublime. Amazing.
But I also want to say I came away impressed with the Generals. The last 3 games they showed why they got such high marks throughout the season. And, yes, Zimmerman is going to be real trouble the next two years. He has that intangible ability to ghost.. Where is he? oh, crap.. he's 4 yards away from me in space in the box. He also has sneaky touch in space. Cool guy to watch.
That foul happened right in front of me and however it looked on video, it was not deserving of a yellow card. I do think the ref lost track and probably regrets the decision
While the announcers talked about the commute in New Jersey, drop balls and dropping temps, 90 minutes of regulation happened.
Hopefully, this doesn't go to PKs, when the announcers might talk about grass seed and what flavors of ice cream their 12-year olds like after soccer practice. Go, Mammoths.
Chicago doesn't look like the team that beat Calvin and NP. That's got to be Amherst. Mammoths dominated that 2nd half with overwhelming constant pressure. Chicago recovered a little late but often couldn't get out of their own half and can't keep the ball for more than a couple of passes. Hope-Gund sitting at the 35 yard line just bombing balls into final third. Chicago better hope Amherst have worn themselves out. Where is Yestishevsky?
;D lmao "Drop Kick"!!! as compared to drop ball
Quote from: Jump4Joy on December 03, 2021, 10:14:58 PM
While the announcers talked about the commute in New Jersey, drop balls and dropping temps, 90 minutes of regulation happened.
Hopefully, this doesn't go to PKs, when the announcers might talk about grass seed and what flavors of ice cream their 12-year olds like after soccer practice. Go, Mammoths.
To be fair to Dave and Ira, this is their fourth soccer game of the day -- and not just their fourth soccer game, their fourth
national semifinal soccer game. As a fellow PBP broadcaster, trust me when I say that what they're doing today is a
very tough task. I've called two D3 tourney opening weekend doubleheaders and a sectional doubleheader, and I can attest that I was mentally taxed at the end of each of them.
Dave and Ira probably wouldn't like to hear this, but I think that the semifinal round coverage might be better served if they had a different duo call the women's semis.
Wonderful finish for the winner. The moment the ball sat up for the Amherst player I was like "he's gonna drill that far corner."
Great goal. Quality finish.
Tough one for UChicago, now 0 for 3 in NCAA semis since 2017. This is a young team and should be back even stronger next year.
Quote from: blooter442 on December 03, 2021, 10:42:36 PM
Wonderful finish for the winner. The moment the ball sat up for the Amherst player I was like "he's gonna drill that far corner."
The build up by Chicago just moments before...
Great winner for sure
Great match. Congrats to both teams for an epic battle. Also, I have to give credit to the referee, who did a very good job.
That was an amazing finish. Chicago definitely had more energy in the second OT, and Hope-Gund had to lay out to make a big save on Yetishevsky less than a minute prior to the game-winner at the other end. Great rip by Cubeddu off of the too-short clearance attempt to end it in the Mammoths' favor.
OMG...for some reason had a delay and saw game was over on the board before video finished.
Yetishevsky got so close twice in 2nd OT and I'd love to see the non-call for the PK a few more times.
Not a beautiful game but I agree was epic and competition at the very highest level. Credit to Chicago for staying in there and getting some chances even though Amherst prevented them from playing their style more effectively. Best game I've seen Okorogheye play...ever. Really, really competed and Serpone moved him back and forth between right side and left side. Cubeddu is a heck of a soccer player...really talented. Amherst was just relentless and at times seemed like they had 14-15 players on the field. And yet I thought Chicago somehow was going to pull it out until I saw they lost and there were still 5 minutes left on my video. Crushing.
And yes, ref overall at least from a distance was excellent in a game that seemed impossibly difficult to fairly officiate.
Domino, what can you tell us about the 2nd game being there live?
FYI the second yellow on 10 for W&L had nothing to do with the contact. I Believe the initial whistle was blown for the ball being out of bounds (not positive). Apparently the official felt what happened afterward warranted the yellow ... he kicks the ball in frustration over the endline and to the fence. Apparently the official felt it was unnecessary and likely stalling (in a 1-1 game?!). So he applied the yellow for that ... NOT the contact that confused everyone.
And if you are wondering, that's according to those I've talked to who were near the moment and heard the convo.
As for those who didn't like our work ... to each their own. Let me know where you work so I can come and critique.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2021, 12:20:45 AM
FYI the second yellow on 10 for W&L had nothing to do with the contact. I Believe the initial whistle was blown for the ball being out of bounds (not positive). Apparently the official felt what happened afterward warranted the yellow ... he kicks the ball in frustration over the endline and to the fence. Apparently the official felt it was unnecessary and likely stalling (in a 1-1 game?!). So he applied the yellow for that ... NOT the contact that confused everyone.
And if you are wondering, that's according to those I've talked to who were near the moment and heard the convo.
Interesting. I didn't see the frustration kick at all. But it's funny that those posters who were insisting that the second yellow on Kutsanzira was warranted didn't realize that the card was given out for something other than what they thought it was.
I didn't think the card was warranted. Soft second yellow in a major moment.
Also, yes semifinals day is a long day but we've done this for years and have never had an issue. At all levels announcers try to have some fun with the call during lulls in the action and get serious when a serious moment is happening. How we handle it is no different than a Buck/Aikman.
Quote from: irapthor on December 04, 2021, 01:35:06 AM
At all levels announcers try to have some fun with the call during lulls in the action and get serious when a serious moment is happening. How we handle it is no different than a Buck/Aikman.
And those guys have their share of critics.
I prefer your approach and the banter to extended periods of silence or a constant stream of X passes to Y who passes it to Z.
First, shout out to the Salisbury alum! I am familiar with the school. Gorgeous.
Mispronouncing arguably the best known player's name, without it being a particularly difficult one, undercut your professionalism though.
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on December 03, 2021, 09:11:57 PM
I hit mute about five minutes in, then I put the volume back on just long enough for them to pontificate on why drop balls should be contested...back to mute.
Chicago was playing very nervous and tentative for the first 30 minutes. Their achievement was to go into the half 0-0. But much better in the final 15 minutes.
Yup...I was 10 minutes in before my Mute. Would have rather had no announcers and just heard the sounds of the game at an elevated level. The good news is the UNLV hosting one year bit that they announced. I am def down for 2 deck Blackjack or late night Pai Gow before my D3 Semi's / Final.
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on December 03, 2021, 10:07:57 PM
This could go another 90 minutes without a goal. Very few ideas in the final 1/3 for either team.
Both games really very few ideas in attack.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2021, 12:20:45 AM
FYI the second yellow on 10 for W&L had nothing to do with the contact. I Believe the initial whistle was blown for the ball being out of bounds (not positive). Apparently the official felt what happened afterward warranted the yellow ... he kicks the ball in frustration over the endline and to the fence. Apparently the official felt it was unnecessary and likely stalling (in a 1-1 game?!). So he applied the yellow for that ... NOT the contact that confused everyone.
And if you are wondering, that's according to those I've talked to who were near the moment and heard the convo.
This is the opposite of what the coaching staffs were told. Even then, shots were taken long after the whistle earlier in the game. It would not make sense to show red there.
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2021, 07:22:45 AM
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on December 03, 2021, 10:07:57 PM
This could go another 90 minutes without a goal. Very few ideas in the final 1/3 for either team.
Both games really very few ideas in attack.
These games are Chess matches , coaches getting their rare chance to play a final, should not be expected to gamble.
Quote from: camosfan on December 04, 2021, 08:58:37 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 04, 2021, 07:22:45 AM
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on December 03, 2021, 10:07:57 PM
This could go another 90 minutes without a goal. Very few ideas in the final 1/3 for either team.
Both games really very few ideas in attack.
These games are Chess matches , coaches getting their rare chance to play a final, should not be expected to gamble.
Then do not expect to Win.
A few odds and ends from yesterday and last couple of pages...
Most importantly, beginning with Amherst...We saw the whole complicated/controversial package. A great program doing whatever necessary to get back to the Final, relentless and unforgiving, determined to get the win with whatever that would mean, the yelling and histrionics [the writhing and rolls on the ground must be something they practice and I hesitate to say this because looked the he really did get hurt with a ball to the eye area late in the game but ten Cate is the best writher/roller I've seen with Cubbedu taking second place honors last night... and let me say I'd want both on my team as ten Cate who is not built like an Aroh battles and plays to exhaustion like no other and I've been saying Cubbedu could be a super-talented X factor and wondered why he doesn't start going back to the Tufts game], the ref having to chastise coach and bench, the hoofing and never ending flip throws into the box that may be ugly but puts enormous pressure on the other team with errors likely to happen over 90 or 110 minutes, rarely losing headers in their defensive third, taking a really superb Chicago team out of its game which isn't a shock but I honestly thought the Maroons would handle better, glimmers of just how good some of their players are, etc, etc. D4 insisted early in the season that Amherst was the 2nd best team in D3 (we know who he thinks is 1st)...I tended to agree that they had been underrated early and I rated them very highly early in our little mock polls, but then after seeing them live vs Tufts I thought I had overrated them, and then obviously thereafter underrated them. I will readily eat crow and if they win tonight I will grudgingly tip my cap. The thing about crow is that if you put enough butter and teriyaki and/or lemon pepper on it you can almost convince yourself that the first bite tastes like chicken... but definitely by the second bite you're like "ah, no, that tastes like crow."
On the it's funny that those who endorsed the second yellow did so based on not what the yellow actually was given for (allegedly)...what's even funnier is that if they did that it was also because of the broadcast which the broadcasters also endorsed in real time and for some time thereafter (and just above here as well), so that's not quite the own there implied. And aside from whether deserved or not, technically or otherwise, there seems to be at least some consensus that the ref lost track and may indeed have kept the card in his pocket if he had realized in the moment that he was gonna pull a second card. The look on the player's face even seemed to suggest he knew the ref didn't know but that he was screwed because once drawn there was no way for the ref to put it back...then the look at the book..and the delayed pull for the red.
WUPHF, there are miles and miles between extended periods of silence and letting the game breathe a little. An anecdote here and there over 90 or 110 minutes is fine, to be expected, and maybe even a nice touch, but some of the completely irrelevant banter would happen when a team was moving the ball inside the 18. I'm not exaggerating when at times it seemed more like the game was interrupting a video of the banter between two old friends at a bar watching a game, and maybe in some respect they were catching up and maybe the fact of the missed year and long wait had an impact. Buck/Aikman and "lulls in the action" of two national semis? Please, stop. I mean, what's the over/under here on me thinking as I'm watching "wish they'd bring in Mr. Sager"?
You guys are super-experienced, know your stuff for the most part, have good chemistry with each other, etc, and I'm sure seeing snarky, jesting criticism after a very long day isn't pleasant, but you're broadcasters putting yourself out there to a (national) audience, so maybe try to hear the feedback and tone down the reminiscing and hyper-verbality. All that said, work address is 25 Staniford Street, Boston, MA 02114. Happy to show you around and let you observe.
So, not happy about another NESCAC final, especially after two OT games that easily could have gone the other way, but I look forward to seeing how this last game plays out. Also curious if most think there was no PK call to be made for Chicago in OT because of course, especially with what that call could mean in OT, Kelly and Hope-Gund are going to pre-preemptively wave the "no, no, nothing there" finger and home plate safe sign.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2021, 12:20:45 AM
FYI the second yellow on 10 for W&L had nothing to do with the contact. I Believe the initial whistle was blown for the ball being out of bounds (not positive). Apparently the official felt what happened afterward warranted the yellow ... he kicks the ball in frustration over the endline and to the fence. Apparently the official felt it was unnecessary and likely stalling (in a 1-1 game?!). So he applied the yellow for that ... NOT the contact that confused everyone.
And if you are wondering, that's according to those I've talked to who were near the moment and heard the convo.
As for those who didn't like our work ... to each their own. Let me know where you work so I can come and critique.
Don't worry about the critics enjoy most of the stories, but could not understand how the team missed Cubbedu coming on in the 30th minute and did not notice until , like 10 minutes later.
My two cents — look, you guys are much better than most of us are (or will be) in terms of announcing. I'm sure someone would have a field day with the couple of radio things I did in college. And, as someone who wrote a column for D3soccer for 4 years, I used to get messages from people in my inbox all the time basically saying some version of "(semantic point) X is wrong." Even if you get 96% of things right, there will be people queueing up to call you out on the other 4%. Could be very aggravating but they were usually justified in their feedback. That's life — humans are taught to outweigh the importance of "the expected" and place more importance on anomalies. Probably why we feel losses 50% more, hence the concept of loss aversion.
My only feeling regarding last night was that when watching the professional game (the best) commentators tend to let things build a bit — they still tell plenty of anecdotes, but they pace them out pretty well and aren't afraid to let the crowd carry the noise from time to time. I do get the desire to fill the noise when the crowd noise is relatively down, but what if the sound guys could get a really good feed? Let the fans build the aura and you keep the continuity. The Maidenform thing was funny and has happened to all of us at some point but yeah Giamanti was the one that stuck out to me (as others have noticed, he has been pretty high-profile for the last few years). Doesn't mean that people don't mispronounce his name (it's not Smith or Jones, for example) but might have warranted another look.
Quote from: irapthor on December 04, 2021, 01:35:06 AM
I didn't think the card was warranted. Soft second yellow in a major moment.
Also, yes semifinals day is a long day but we've done this for years and have never had an issue. At all levels announcers try to have some fun with the call during lulls in the action and get serious when a serious moment is happening. How we handle it is no different than a Buck/Aikman.
At least Dave gets some semblance of training for this annual broadcasting equivalent to an Iron Man triathalon when he does the d3hoops.com basketball tournament with Pat and Gordon and Ryan in Vegas every December. I don't know how you manage to hang in there for eight hours' worth of commentary, Ira.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 04, 2021, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: irapthor on December 04, 2021, 01:35:06 AM
I didn't think the card was warranted. Soft second yellow in a major moment.
Also, yes semifinals day is a long day but we've done this for years and have never had an issue. At all levels announcers try to have some fun with the call during lulls in the action and get serious when a serious moment is happening. How we handle it is no different than a Buck/Aikman.
At least Dave gets some semblance of training for this annual broadcasting equivalent to an Iron Man triathalon when he does the d3hoops.com basketball tournament with Pat and Gordon and Ryan in Vegas every December. I don't know how you manage to hang in there for eight hours' worth of commentary, Ira.
Fans are comparing coverage to the pros, maybe not consciously, but if we stop for a minute and think about the vast difference in resource allocation between ventures , we may be able to adjust our expectations.
Greg, I actually have done the past 3 D3hoops classics in Vegas...missing this year unfortunately due to a bowl game conflict...but those are LONGGGG days. I actually announce professional men's volleyball and those are 12-14 hour days, so actually used to those long days.
To the others, Dave and I do read the constructive feedback, so thank you. These events are tough. Certainly don't want to be a homer towards any team. I spend hours speaking to each coach 1:1 to get further background on the teams. It's absolutely a challenging process for a one-weekend a year commitment, versus guys who their full time job is to announce and they get to spend every moment committed only to a broadcast.
Either way, please tune in today and enjoy the games...my predictions are TCNJ and Amherst winning, but think both will be one-goal games. The margins between all of the teams playing this weekend were so razor thin.
Quote from: PaulNewman on December 04, 2021, 09:45:24 AM
A few odds and ends from yesterday and last couple of pages...
Most importantly, beginning with Amherst...We saw the whole complicated/controversial package. A great program doing whatever necessary to get back to the Final, relentless and unforgiving, determined to get the win with whatever that would mean, the yelling and histrionics [the writhing and rolls on the ground must be something they practice and I hesitate to say this because looked the he really did get hurt with a ball to the eye area late in the game but ten Cate is the best writher/roller I've seen with Cubbedu taking second place honors last night... and let me say I'd want both on my team as ten Cate who is not built like an Aroh battles and plays to exhaustion like no other and I've been saying Cubbedu could be a super-talented X factor and wondered why he doesn't start going back to the Tufts game], the ref having to chastise coach and bench, the hoofing and never ending flip throws into the box that may be ugly but puts enormous pressure on the other team with errors likely to happen over 90 or 110 minutes, rarely losing headers in their defensive third, taking a really superb Chicago team out of its game which isn't a shock but I honestly thought the Maroons would handle better, glimmers of just how good some of their players are, etc, etc. D4 insisted early in the season that Amherst was the 2nd best team in D3 (we know who he thinks is 1st)...I tended to agree that they had been underrated early and I rated them very highly early in our little mock polls, but then after seeing them live vs Tufts I thought I had overrated them, and then obviously thereafter underrated them. I will readily eat crow and if they win tonight I will grudgingly tip my cap. The thing about crow is that if you put enough butter and teriyaki and/or lemon pepper on it you can almost convince yourself that the first bite tastes like chicken... but definitely by the second bite you're like "ah, no, that tastes like crow."
On the it's funny that those who endorsed the second yellow did so based on not what the yellow actually was given for (allegedly)...what's even funnier is that if they did that it was also because of the broadcast which the broadcasters also endorsed in real time and for some time thereafter (and just above here as well), so that's not quite the own there implied. And aside from whether deserved or not, technically or otherwise, there seems to be at least some consensus that the ref lost track and may indeed have kept the card in his pocket if he had realized in the moment that he was gonna pull a second card. The look on the player's face even seemed to suggest he knew the ref didn't know but that he was screwed because once drawn there was no way for the ref to put it back...then the look at the book..and the delayed pull for the red.
WUPHF, there are miles and miles between extended periods of silence and letting the game breathe a little. An anecdote here and there over 90 or 110 minutes is fine, to be expected, and maybe even a nice touch, but some of the completely irrelevant banter would happen when a team was moving the ball inside the 18. I'm not exaggerating when at times it seemed more like the game was interrupting a video of the banter between two old friends at a bar watching a game, and maybe in some respect they were catching up and maybe the fact of the missed year and long wait had an impact. Buck/Aikman and "lulls in the action" of two national semis? Please, stop. I mean, what's the over/under here on me thinking as I'm watching "wish they'd bring in Mr. Sager"?
You guys are super-experienced, know your stuff for the most part, have good chemistry with each other, etc, and I'm sure seeing snarky, jesting criticism after a very long day isn't pleasant, but you're broadcasters putting yourself out there to a (national) audience, so maybe try to hear the feedback and tone down the reminiscing and hyper-verbality. All that said, work address is 25 Staniford Street, Boston, MA 02114. Happy to show you around and let you observe.
So, not happy about another NESCAC final, especially after two OT games that easily could have gone the other way, but I look forward to seeing how this last game plays out. Also curious if most think there was no PK call to be made for Chicago in OT because of course, especially with what that call could mean in OT, Kelly and Hope-Gund are going to pre-preemptively wave the "no, no, nothing there" finger and home plate safe sign.
I think it's hilarious you gave out your actual work address. Well played sir....well played. :)
Quote from: PaulNewman on December 04, 2021, 09:45:24 AMOn the it's funny that those who endorsed the second yellow did so based on not what the yellow actually was given for (allegedly)...what's even funnier is that if they did that it was also because of the broadcast which the broadcasters also endorsed in real time and for some time thereafter (and just above here as well), so that's not quite the own there implied.
I'm the one who made that statement, and I was not implying that it was an "own". That would mean that I was "owning" myself in the process:
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 04, 2021, 01:22:29 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2021, 12:20:45 AM
FYI the second yellow on 10 for W&L had nothing to do with the contact. I Believe the initial whistle was blown for the ball being out of bounds (not positive). Apparently the official felt what happened afterward warranted the yellow ... he kicks the ball in frustration over the endline and to the fence. Apparently the official felt it was unnecessary and likely stalling (in a 1-1 game?!). So he applied the yellow for that ... NOT the contact that confused everyone.
And if you are wondering, that's according to those I've talked to who were near the moment and heard the convo.
Interesting. I didn't see the frustration kick at all.
... and I, too, was going off of what Dave and Ira said as well as what I saw (twice, when you include the replay). They questioned the call, based upon what they saw in real-time and via the replay, and were completely unaware of the after-the-whistle kick, and I was on board with them. As for my post, I was simply reacting to the rather vehement insistence of Ejay, following up on Hopkins92's somewhat lukewarm endorsement of the call, that it was a well-deserved yellow. It struck me as funny because, like Ejay, I, too, have all-too-often been vehement about something that I thought I saw -- only to learn later from someone close to the play (or from a player who was actually in the middle of it) that it didn't happen the way I thought it did.
That's why it's always a good idea to come armed with a bagful of qualifiers such as "apparently," "seems like," "looked to me like," etc., when you step into a press box and put on a headset or sit in front of a mic. Things are not always what they appear to be from your vantage point hundreds of feet away -- and sometimes that's even true when you have access to replays.
Quote from: PaulNewman on December 04, 2021, 09:45:24 AMAnd aside from whether deserved or not, technically or otherwise, there seems to be at least some consensus that the ref lost track and may indeed have kept the card in his pocket if he had realized in the moment that he was gonna pull a second card. The look on the player's face even seemed to suggest he knew the ref didn't know but that he was screwed because once drawn there was no way for the ref to put it back...then the look at the book..and the delayed pull for the red.
This, 100%. And it's worth noting that Dave and Ira, for all of the crap that they're taking here, were right on top of that as well in their call of how the ref was handling the situation of Kutsanzira's foul.
Quote from: camosfan on December 04, 2021, 10:24:53 AMDon't worry about the critics enjoy most of the stories, but could not understand how the team missed Cubbedu coming on in the 30th minute and did not notice until , like 10 minutes later.
I'm going to stick up for Dave and Ira on this one, because I can speak from experience. Unless you have someone stationed benchside who is texting a member of the production team up in the press box, it's often hard for a broadcaster to track the numbers of incoming and outgoing players. This was made doubly hard yesterday because of the peculiarity of Amherst's kit. Dave and Ira made mention before the game that Amherst's purple numbers on black jerseys were incredibly hard to read, and that, aside from a couple of players whom they physically recognized from previous Mammoths contests (Giammatei and Okorogheye), they were going to have a hard time identifying the Mammoths from up in the press box. I thought that they did a good job, for the most part, because when you're calling a game you eventually get used to where particular players are typically found on the field (especially if the coach is using standard formations and plays he's used in the videos of his team that you've seen beforehand). But incoming and outgoing players? That's another thing, entirely.
Quote from: blooter442 on December 04, 2021, 10:32:39 AM
My two cents — look, you guys are much better than most of us are (or will be) in terms of announcing. I'm sure someone would have a field day with the couple of radio things I did in college. And, as someone who wrote a column for D3soccer for 4 years, I used to get messages from people in my inbox all the time basically saying some version of "(semantic point) X is wrong." Even if you get 96% of things right, there will be people queueing up to call you out on the other 4%. Could be very aggravating but they were usually justified in their feedback. That's life — humans are taught to outweigh the importance of "the expected" and place more importance on anomalies. Probably why we feel losses 50% more, hence the concept of loss aversion.
My only feeling regarding last night was that when watching the professional game (the best) commentators tend to let things build a bit — they still tell plenty of anecdotes, but they pace them out pretty well and aren't afraid to let the crowd carry the noise from time to time. I do get the desire to fill the noise when the crowd noise is relatively down, but what if the sound guys could get a really good feed? Let the fans build the aura and you keep the continuity. The Maidenform thing was funny and has happened to all of us at some point but yeah Giamanti was the one that stuck out to me (as others have noticed, he has been pretty high-profile for the last few years). Doesn't mean that people don't mispronounce his name (it's not Smith or Jones, for example) but might have warranted another look.
A very valuable two cents, indeed. This is the best post in this entire thread, blooter.
The problem with the crowd noise thing, vis-a-vis D3, is that you don't have the sea of people that you get in a professional game, so you have to balance things out a little differently. And even if the attendance is sizeable in a D3 game, sometimes the crowd is on the opposite side of the field from the camera and/or field mics. And sometimes the crowd is spaced in such a way that the only people who are audible are the ones who are the closest to those mics -- which means that, instead of the roar of a huge crowd, you get distinct individual voices. (That occasionally happened yesterday.) In other words, I don't think a broadcaster is able to let the crowd carry the noise in most D3 games (including, alas, the national semifinals). Sometimes it's the opposite matter -- you have to keep talking so that the viewer doesn't get an earful of the midfielder's dad screaming at the ref or the drunken fratboy making loud insinuations about the opposing forward's sexuality.
Quote from: irapthor on December 04, 2021, 11:03:35 AM
Greg, I actually have done the past 3 D3hoops classics in Vegas...missing this year unfortunately due to a bowl game conflict...but those are LONGGGG days. I actually announce professional men's volleyball and those are 12-14 hour days, so actually used to those long days.
Now that I think about it, I do seem to recall hearing you commentate a game in Vegas a few years ago. (In fact, the more I think about it, the more I recall it involving an NJAC team, which would make sense that Pat would give it to you.)
A men's volleyball marathon? Yikes. Call-wise, volleyball is by far the most difficult sport that I work for NPU, although I think that D3 women's volleyball is tougher than D3 men's volleyball for PBP. Some of the rallies on the women's side seem to go on
forever.
Appreciated your responses, Greg.
Now that we're here at the end, I'll tell you that I think NP was/is a great team, imo, aside from arguably Tufts and putting my own interest aside, the best team to not make the Final 4. A NP vs Amherst game would have been fascinating and would have been curious to see how your Vikings handled the Amherst pressure/style.
And Ira, don't know if you were being sarcastic, but given the myriad ways you could have responded to that post, well played yourself, sir (not sarcastic).
Thanks, PN.
I share your dismay with regard to another all-NESCAC final. Of course, it's a moot point for me, since I'll be calling an NPU women's basketball game while the final takes place, and I therefore can't watch it. I will say that I'm rooting for Conn College, though -- not because I have any animosity towards Amherst or Serpone or his players or anything (I don't watch enough of the Mammoths to have built up grievances regarding their alleged poor deportment), but because Amherst's trophy case is bursting at the seams with Walnut & Bronze, while by contrast Conn College appears to be the red-headed stepchild of the NESCAC. As Dave and Ira detailed yesterday, the Camels have never won a national championship in anything -- and, in fact, they've only been in a D3 Final Four in any sport once before, and that was all the way back in the 1998-99 men's basketball tourney.
Weird as it may seem, an all-NESCAC final involves an actual underdog of sorts.
No one has said anything and/or maybe none have seen good replays about the question of PK late...
Let's say there was...then the ref in each game had a major moment, and if we for sake of argument say both got the calls most of us would probably prefer what the 2nd ref did on the theory of "not deciding the game" on that kind of play. If really deserved a PK Chicago obviously would disagree but would have taken a lot of guts to make that call at that point. Anyway, too bad on the first game because otherwise I think 1st ref had a pretty good game.
Quote from: irapthor on December 04, 2021, 11:03:35 AM
Greg, I actually have done the past 3 D3hoops classics in Vegas...missing this year unfortunately due to a bowl game conflict...but those are LONGGGG days. I actually announce professional men's volleyball and those are 12-14 hour days, so actually used to those long days.
To the others, Dave and I do read the constructive feedback, so thank you. These events are tough. Certainly don't want to be a homer towards any team. I spend hours speaking to each coach 1:1 to get further background on the teams. It's absolutely a challenging process for a one-weekend a year commitment, versus guys who their full time job is to announce and they get to spend every moment committed only to a broadcast.
Either way, please tune in today and enjoy the games...my predictions are TCNJ and Amherst winning, but think both will be one-goal games. The margins between all of the teams playing this weekend were so razor thin.
I've watch jes one game this year in its entirety. Been awhile since I coached college or played in it. I do tend to check scores and rankings etc
I watched the overtime for the Amherst/Chicago game. I thought Amherst was so much better in the first overtime. Text my friend how good they were. Then roles were reversed in the second one as Chicago being better. Chicago should've won it too if it wasn't for a great save.
I coached and played at medaille college. When it came to the question of the penalty shots I knew the answer and glad you looked for it. We lost in the round of 32 (after a first round bye) to Nazareth in the 20th shooter once. Anyways the point I wanted to make was just being on the roster (22 on game day) you can take a penalty if it goes to that. If you get past 10 they go through the same order again. Few years back in the final four messiah backup goalkeeper never played a minute. They won both games via penalties and he was named mvp of the tournament.
I often watch these games with the volume off, which has zero to do with the quality of the broadcast and 100 percent to do with also having something on that my wife is also watching. (Last night was the first two episodes of Hawkeye, which is a pretty good show. Hailee Steinfeld is a delight).
Anyways, when I did throw the headphones on I heard two guys that know the game pretty well and had decent banter. I am NOT a fan of announcing that acts like they are doing PbP for radio. I don't need every pass recorded for posteriety, I can see they are swinging the ball around the back. The better crews do this early, just to set the lineup and formation (and likely to get themselves into the flow, so to speak), but after awhile you let the basic, work-a-day stuff happen without calling it.
With that said, yeah, I too would note that at times there were things happening in dangerous areas of the field and the PbP was finishing up an anecdote. That can be jarring, because your brain is waiting for the announcer to clue in that there's "something of import" going on in the game. But, really, it wasn't a constant stream of anecdotes (to my ear).
Overall, I've enjoyed finding teams that have good announcing crews, with varying degrees of professionalism (Tufts, Mary Washington, Hopkins, W&L, North Park, etc.) on display. Then you have a number that I won't call out where a combination really poor camera angles and guys that seem like this is their stepping stone to the Ha Ha Hut or Laughadoodles Laugh Lounge or whatever.
And, for those that know, the hilariously Andy van Dyke "Step in Time" do it all yourself announcing guy at Eastern... he gets his own category of award -- Swiss Army Knife Award?
Quote from: PaulNewman on December 04, 2021, 09:45:24 AM
WUPHF, there are miles and miles between extended periods of silence and letting the game breathe a little. An anecdote here and there over 90 or 110 minutes is fine, to be expected, and maybe even a nice touch, but some of the completely irrelevant banter would happen when a team was moving the ball inside the 18. I'm not exaggerating when at times it seemed more like the game was interrupting a video of the banter between two old friends at a bar watching a game, and maybe in some respect they were catching up and maybe the fact of the missed year and long wait had an impact. Buck/Aikman and "lulls in the action" of two national semis? Please, stop. I mean, what's the over/under here on me thinking as I'm watching "wish they'd bring in Mr. Sager"?
I only watched minutes here and there so fair enough.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on December 04, 2021, 04:18:16 PM
I often watch these games with the volume off, which has zero to do with the quality of the broadcast and 100 percent to do with also having something on that my wife is also watching. (Last night was the first two episodes of Hawkeye, which is a pretty good show. Hailee Steinfeld is a delight).
Anyways, when I did throw the headphones on I heard two guys that know the game pretty well and had decent banter. I am NOT a fan of announcing that acts like they are doing PbP for radio. I don't need every pass recorded for posteriety, I can see they are swinging the ball around the back. The better crews do this early, just to set the lineup and formation (and likely to get themselves into the flow, so to speak), but after awhile you let the basic, work-a-day stuff happen without calling it.
With that said, yeah, I too would note that at times there were things happening in dangerous areas of the field and the PbP was finishing up an anecdote. That can be jarring, because your brain is waiting for the announcer to clue in that there's "something of import" going on in the game. But, really, it wasn't a constant stream of anecdotes (to my ear).
Overall, I've enjoyed finding teams that have good announcing crews, with varying degrees of professionalism (Tufts, Mary Washington, Hopkins, W&L, North Park, etc.) on display. Then you have a number that I won't call out where a combination really poor camera angles and guys that seem like this is their stepping stone to the Ha Ha Hut or Laughadoodles Laugh Lounge or whatever.
And, for those that know, the hilariously Andy van Dyke "Step in Time" do it all yourself announcing guy at Eastern... he gets his own category of award -- Swiss Army Knife Award?
I suppose we all have our preferences which overlap or don't in varying degrees.
My expectation is something on a continuum solidly in between two extreme poles of non-stop talk often at best vaguely tangential to anything related to the game/schools/D3 and at the other end a fine grained analysis a la Mr. Right or SimpleCoach with like Chicago is coming out in a 3-4-2-1 with inverted wings from their prior tilt and clearly targeting St Olaf's right back who didn't start the last two games but has size to combat Wada on corners. If you tuned in for a couple of hours straight you might tire more than you think (and I would guess the announcers might partly agree if they listened to a playback). Less significant were what seemed possible dubious observations like GG being injured most of the year (two years ago is when he had some kind of facial injury and wore a mask...and this year literally the only Amherst player to play in and start all 21 games) and Johnson showing significantly improved accuracy/power on flip throws (I think false) from two years ago, etc, etc. Anecdotes about players, what they learned form coaches of the teams over the past couple of days, who won the top academic awards at the Final 4 (Elite something or other), comparisons to the last Final 4, a few comments about upcoming Final 4s, and maybe a very occasional reference to back in the day when I was a GK, etc are fine and often quite additive. To be clear, I don't need player X passes to player C and so on, but these are Final 4 games and should be front and center., and I'd rather commentary/anecdotes follow from and add color to the game in front of us rather rather than having to scramble back to the action on the field. And not talking for a few seconds here and there is OK. There is no "down time" in national semis that needs to be filled. These aren't ho-hum bottom of the table conference games in mid-October. More than anything, I come back to just letting the game breathe a little bit and making the game and players the stars of the show.
Btw, i do always try to be fair unless I'm really, really ticked off....just listened to the Amherst postgame press thing from last night and was reminded that at least in those kind of spots Serpone is flawless. Whether it's an act or not I don't know, but certainly sounds genuine, extremely gracious and appreciative, obviously very smart, and quoting poets lol.
All -
Tried doing a pre-game show .. had some difficulties with YouTube.
SimpleCoach's Pre-Game Show (https://youtu.be/OKqQHHlS3fQ)
Don't know what I am doing, but kind of geeking out over it.
Enjoy the game all!
Fantastic stuff, SC. What an addition you've been. I feel like I need to watch 2nd half again as I thought Chicago had great difficulty getting into the Amherst half and sustaining possession except for a few flurries and then in 2nd OT...and you seem to feel they did carry the play in @ndf half. I was heavily for Chicago and just felt like they were under extreme pressure much of the 2nd half with long ball after long ball and flip throw after flip throw into the box.
Will be interesting to see how these familiar foes ask questions of one another tonight.
Announcers: much improved coverage so far.
Quote from: Jump4Joy on December 04, 2021, 07:37:25 PM
Will be interesting to see how these familiar foes ask questions of one another tonight.
Announcers: much improved coverage so far.
Thanks...we do listen to constructive feedback...the two of us have been doing this together for some time now.
I'm surprised Amherst has not gone deeper into its bench in the first half to preserve some legs for the second half which we know is going to be juicy.
Conn fortunate to go into half 0-0. First 20-25 minutes was survival but I thought that in 2nd half last night with Amherst so maybe I'm wrong. It's almost like Amherst is playing different sport, not just different style. I'd like to know how Bryce Johnson got 12 years of eligibility. Seems like a great kid but wish he'd never learned how to do a flip throw.
Conn has got to find a way to put Amherst defense under more sustained pressure.
And yes, announcers MUCH better and on point. Only obvious error I heard (understandable) was calling Bocchetti Derby because of same numbers).
Quote from: Jump4Joy on December 04, 2021, 07:37:25 PM
Will be interesting to see how these familiar foes ask questions of one another tonight.
Announcers: much improved coverage so far.
Interesting that you say this, because they're definitely familiar with each other, but far from as familiar as they might be. The true seniors have only faced Amherst 3 times previously, super seniors 4 times. Juniors have 2 previous games against them, freshmen and sophomores have 1. So yes, definitely familiar, but IIRC (and my memory sucks) Tufts got almost as familiar with Kenyon as these players are with each other.
For a contrast, by the time I finished my 4 years, there were two teams I had faced 7 times (9 for one of them if you count two preseason scrimmages). At that point I knew our gameplan against both of them like the back of my hand (funnily enough most of the games went pretty much the same way), and I could probably have given the tactics talk for our opponents as well.
Phenomenal reach by Amherst keeper to keep Conn out on a curler that might have taken a deflection to add some topspin. Good footwork and dive, positioning looked good but hard to tell. Tricky tricky shot.
And Conn scores on the ensuing corner! Simple in-swinger to the back post, headed past the empty post (looks like both post players left their spots, so guessing that was intentional?). Honestly would love Amherst to lose on a set piece. Go Camels!
Other random thought - Conn really needs to put someone on the near post on these long throws zipped in to feet.
Meanwhile, Amherst comes back on a set piece. More soccer to come!
Oh boy, Conn have really shot themselves in the foot here. Between the 3 v. 1 where the attacker decided to dribble at the one defender rather than make the easy breakaway pass, and the bad keeper mistake there... can't make those kinds of mistakes. On the bright side for Conn they'll get a break to get their heads right.
Oh boy, more time for gimmick throw-ins and lumping balls into the box ::)
Quote from: paclassic89 on December 04, 2021, 09:10:24 PM
Oh boy, more time for gimmick throw-ins and lumping balls into the box ::)
Jinx!
Amherst v Connecticut
National Championship
4 December 2021
- Connecticut is caught up in the Amherst vortex.
- Amherst game plan is to get as many throw in's as possible.
- I have to believe that Amherst will run out of steam more quickly than usual.
- Conn just needs to hold and deal with the pressure. And figure out how to keep the ball on the deck and to feet.
- Conn is slowly finding their place. First 25 minutes it was Amherst's game.
- Pace has slowed from Amherst but continue to press. Conn is able to move the ball a little better. And haven't seen a flip throw in like 10 minutes!
- Again, Amherst get's away with playing so physically because the ref permits a lot of physical activity.
- I like how Conn has taken control of the game. Two touch soccer. It's the only way to deal with Amherst.
- The overly dramatic responses by Amherst players to any call that goes against them is tiresome.
- Nil-Nil at the half.....
- Conn doing much better to start the second half. Amherst still pressing as they do, but not as effective. Conn is able to connect a bit more.
- Amherst pressure is not nearly as intense as it was in the first 20 minutes.
- And Conn gets a goal. Corner kick on a fantastic save by the Amherst Keeper. Ball swung far post and headed in. No back post man? And the Amherst defender was literally hugging the Conn forward.
- Regardless of outcome, this is the result of Conn just being patient and dealing with the pressure all game.
- You can see in certain instances where Amherst is getting nervous. Simple mistakes because they are being rushed ..... to kick the ball long.
- Conn is feeling it. Getting comfortable moving the ball under pressure.
- 20 minutes left.
- Amherst looking for anything to happen in the box, but Conn is being disciplined in the back.
- Amherst has a 6'8 guy. Think his position is to be anywhere there is a high ball.
- 11 minutes left.
- Announcer just said Amherst has only had 2 corner kicks.
- Conn #23 is the best freshman left back in the country. He also makes mistakes like he is freshman.
- I do like the Amherst Keeper. Made two huge saves and he is very solid in the air.
- 4 minutes left.
- Amherst is looking spent. Lots of standing around, and the pressure is non-existent by their standards.
- 2 minutes.
- Remarkable. Chaos in front of the goal and Amherst scores the tying goal. Why the Conn Keeper didn't come out for it, I don't know.
- And we go to OT.
- First half of OT over.
- On to the second half.
- In both halves, Conn has done well in possession. Now they need to reward themselves.
- Amherst is coached to wrap their arms around the player they are defending on a corner or set play. Conn should have gotten a PK after Conn player was pulled down by Amherst#12.
- Amherst just get's dangerous when you least expect it.
- 1-1 after 110 minutes.
- Penalty Kicks to decide who will be the national champion. On that note, I will not be watching. Am out.
- Interesting that they have switched Conn Keepers.
- Ok. I am watching. The Conn Keeper who replaced the Conn Keeper just made two remarkable saves to his right on the first two PKs Amherst took. The second one was full on incredible. Now I know why they switched them.
- And Connecticut College are the 2021 National Champions.
Congrats to Conn. Congrats to NESCAC.
First national championship in any sport for the Camels.
Alright, good guys won
What an accomplishment by Conn College...just incredible. I'm flashing back to the last minute of Salem St and Burk in his chair calmly filling out his PK lineup. Went into Bello at Tufts , came back twice, and then survived a massive comeback effort by the defending champs, somehow gets through W&L that was #1 almost the whole season, and then Amherst, one of the toughest challenges a team can have in the biggest of spots.
COY is Burk.
MVP of this tournament tie between Yeonas, Jaran, and Djerdjaj with almost MVP to Maidenberg, Hope-Gund, and Cubbedu. Back four for Conn massive as well.
LOL... the guy handing out the trophies is a Kenyon guy in the athletic department! Closest we've gotten!
Quote from: SimpleCoach on December 04, 2021, 09:45:40 PM
Amherst v Connecticut
National Championship
4 December 2021
- Nil-Nil at the half.....
LOL.
Conn was just so resilient...a minute away and Amherst levels. Gets through 2 OTs and total calm for the PKs.
Yeonas is a paradigmatic leader. Did he get the MVP?
Not to say that Amherst may not do this routinely but iirc Wu #12 who had his arms around Djerdjaj on the goal and pulled down #24 late was the player Aroh plowed through for the OT GW against Tufts on a corner like free kick.
When I saw that play, the Aroh goal came to mind.
So pulled together my observations from the game.
We have a winner! (https://youtu.be/QynVbwti7K4)
Hope you enjoy!