I am starting a new UAA thread in hopes that we continue the conversation. I have really enjoyed reading the comments posts over the past few seasons.
Washington University has published a roster, confirming that Matt Martin has returned as a graduate student.
I did not realize this, but Armando Sanchez-Conde, a key midfielder last season, is also returning as a graduate student.
The Bears begin play on September 1 with a road trip to Carthage and Rose-Hulman.
Roster
https://washubears.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster?path=msoc
Case just landed a D1 transfer:
https://twitter.com/sportrecruitusa/status/1560727679107743757?s=21&t=H7T7nw2cKd8kmEZzERzXAA
This aint basketball or (American) football man.
Kid may be good, but D1 does not mean much.
50% chance of making a real impact after switch in my experience.
zero minutes in two years. Still, I'm sure he's decent.
D1 has only 9 scholarships I think, so more than half of the players on D1 teams are non-scholarship. There is not a huge difference in talent between a non-scholarship bench player in D1 and a good D3 player.
Should get time, Case struggled last time! must be promised more time than he was getting at Dayton. What about the academics?
Quote from: camosfan on August 20, 2022, 04:44:15 PM
Should get time, Case struggled last time! must be promised more time than he was getting at Dayton. What about the academics?
Academics? At CWRU? A UAA school?
my question is, why not factor the academics in his decision?
Anyone interested in participating in the D3soccer Fan poll this season?
If you are interested in participating, I will run the poll again if we get enough pollsters. My only caveat is that if you agree to participate you try your best to do it every week so that things are consistent. Also, you try to be on time because it's no fun for anyone if I have to track you down every week and pester you to get your votes in.
Unless someone has a better idea, I'll run it the same as last year with the same deadlines, so the poll will include games that start before Sunday at midnight EST and will be due to me before Tuesday EST at midnight and I will try to post on Wednesday.
I will not do a preseason poll. I hate them. They set up a ton of positional bias and, especially with 400+ teams in D3, there simply is no way to do a good one. The first poll will be based on games played prior to 9/11 and will be due to me on 9/13. That gives us roughly 2 weeks of games to start making judgements.
If you are interested, and I realize we about 2 weeks out, please send me a PM. I hope we get our pollsters back from last year, as they did an excellent job, but if you want to join in, I'm always open to more!
Not much activity in this thread, but I just wanted to chime in to observe that University of Chicago continues to mow down its opponents. They beat Hope 3-0 this afternoon to move to 6-0 overall. This was game #2 (and win #2) in what I would consider a murders' row of opponents (St. Olaf, Hope, at Luther, at Calvin, North Park). They are definitely going to be battle tested coming into UAA play. If they remain unbeaten after that, I'm not sure who's stopping them.
Quote from: Kuiper on September 14, 2022, 07:07:26 PM
Not much activity in this thread, but I just wanted to chime in to observe that University of Chicago continues to mow down its opponents. They beat Hope 3-0 this afternoon to move to 6-0 overall. This was game #2 (and win #2) in what I would consider a murders' row of opponents (St. Olaf, Hope, at Luther, at Calvin, North Park). They are definitely going to be battle tested coming into UAA play. If they remain unbeaten after that, I'm not sure who's stopping them.
Hope is definitely better than their 0-1-4 record, but they couldn't convert their 2-3 good chances off UChicago miscues. They pressed high with the forwards and tried to goad UChicago's defenders into mistake passes, as it's well known UChicago always tries to build from the back. But the Maroons remained unfazed and ran their system per usual and got 3 goals for their efforts.
The problem that teams are running into is they have a plan until the Maroons score, then they have to promptly abandon that plan. Many teams sit 10 behind the ball and just try to counterattack all game, because they know they can't match the ball skills that UChicago possesses. Once UChicago takes that lead, they gotta come out of their shell and be aggressive forward, which the Maroons then exploit to get 1v1s the rest of the way which go in their favor.
Then you have teams like St. Olaf and Hope, who pressed high with their forwards and tried to sew chaos to their benefit while also keeping a 5 man backline to not let the Maroons possess in the attacking third. But UChicago's backline features 2 All-Americans who also happen to be the best CBs in the nation in Gillespie and Wada. They are cool customers who win every header that comes into their area code, and they have no problem going up the field on the dribble, especially Gillespie. UChicago is too good a passing team and too good at dribbling for the high press to throw them off their game.
A third way is to play UChicago completely straight up and try to fight fire with fire. NYU tried this last year, brought a bunch of puffed-up bravado with them, and the Violets got ran off the field to the tune of 3-0. There are only a handful of teams in the nation that would try to play UChicago straight up with no extra defenders at this point.
After struggling mightily to score last year (all their games ended 1-0 it seemed), the Maroons now have their most dynamic attacking unit since Lopez and Koh graduated. Yetishefsky is an absolute load at striker, but it's the freshmen that have been just as impressive. Kai Walsh's ball skills are nationally elite and he seems to relish the challenge of taking on multiple defenders at once. Alex Lee is pure hustle and can run down basically anything/anyone. His first collegiate goal came against CUC when he ran at the panicked goalie, picked his pocket and walked the ball into the net. All told, UChicago looks consistently more dangerous on the attack this year from all over the field (Gillespie was second on the team in goals last year, BTW).
Quote from: blue_jays on September 14, 2022, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: Kuiper on September 14, 2022, 07:07:26 PM
Not much activity in this thread, but I just wanted to chime in to observe that University of Chicago continues to mow down its opponents. They beat Hope 3-0 this afternoon to move to 6-0 overall. This was game #2 (and win #2) in what I would consider a murders' row of opponents (St. Olaf, Hope, at Luther, at Calvin, North Park). They are definitely going to be battle tested coming into UAA play. If they remain unbeaten after that, I'm not sure who's stopping them.
Hope is definitely better than their 0-1-4 record, but they couldn't convert their 2-3 good chances off UChicago miscues. They pressed high with the forwards and tried to goad UChicago's defenders into mistake passes, as it's well known UChicago always tries to build from the back. But the Maroons remained unfazed and ran their system per usual and got 3 goals for their efforts.
The problem that teams are running into is they have a plan until the Maroons score, then they have to promptly abandon that plan. Many teams sit 10 behind the ball and just try to counterattack all game, because they know they can't match the ball skills that UChicago possesses. Once UChicago takes that lead, they gotta come out of their shell and be aggressive forward, which the Maroons then exploit to get 1v1s the rest of the way which go in their favor.
Then you have teams like St. Olaf and Hope, who pressed high with their forwards and tried to sew chaos to their benefit while also keeping a 5 man backline to not let the Maroons possess in the attacking third. But UChicago's backline features 2 All-Americans who also happen to be the best CBs in the nation in Gillespie and Wada. They are cool customers who win every header that comes into their area code, and they have no problem going up the field on the dribble, especially Gillespie. UChicago is too good a passing team and too good at dribbling for the high press to throw them off their game.
A third way is to play UChicago completely straight up and try to fight fire with fire. NYU tried this last year, brought a bunch of puffed-up bravado with them, and the Violets got ran off the field to the tune of 3-0. There are only a handful of teams in the nation that would try to play UChicago straight up with no extra defenders at this point.
After struggling mightily to score last year (all their games ended 1-0 it seemed), the Maroons now have their most dynamic attacking unit since Lopez and Koh graduated. Yetishefsky is an absolute load at striker, but it's the freshmen that have been just as impressive. Kai Walsh's ball skills are nationally elite and he seems to relish the challenge of taking on multiple defenders at once. Alex Lee is pure hustle and can run down basically anything/anyone. His first collegiate goal came against CUC when he ran at the panicked goalie, picked his pocket and walked the ball into the net. All told, UChicago looks consistently more dangerous on the attack this year from all over the field (Gillespie was second on the team in goals last year, BTW).
Very good summary. I especially agree that Walsh and Lee bring another dimension to Chicago's attack. You can see why Lee was the top scorer in the Southwest MLS Next conference last year and in ECNL the year before, but what's more impressive is that Walsh and Lee have formed a strong partnership so early in their college careers.
Quote from: camosfan on August 20, 2022, 04:44:15 PM
Should get time, Case struggled last time! must be promised more time than he was getting at Dayton. What about the academics?
Just because I was curious, I looked it up and the Case D1 transfer - Cole Sparacino - hasn't appeared in a game yet. Maybe he's injured, but only 18 players (out of 30 listed on the roster) have gotten any minutes all in the first 5 games. Most of the freshman (outside of the GKs) have gotten some minutes, so it's not like the coach hasn't been using new players at all.
I see Rochester is still putting their games behind a paywall
Rochester needs to improve the content they are charging for! :)
Currently enjoying Cortland v. SLU with great video and excellent commentary.
Play by play as well as analyst doing a great job together.
Top quality stuff.
With conference play beginning this weekend in the UAA, this will be the first opportunity to really gauge the strength of the teams relative to each other since they haven't played common opponents for the most part. Can anyone challenge Chicago? Carnegie Mellon plays the kind of defensive game that at least has a chance to keep Chicago at bay, but their schedule thus far hasn't presented them with a test near as stout as U of C. Plus, Carnegie Mellon plays Chicago away and then Wash U away on the 14th/16th, which is a tough road trip most years. Most of the UAA teams have shown the ability to rise to the occasion against strong teams and play a close game this season. NYU only lost 2-1 to both Messiah and Stevens, Emory tied both Wash & Lee (2-2) and Hopkins (0-0), Case beat Otterbein 2-1 and tied John Carroll 2-2, and Brandeis tied Denison 0-0 and beat Babson 2-1.
Predictions for this weekend's games
NYU 1-2 CMU
Brandeis 0-2 Case
WashU 0-0 Emory
Chicago 3-1 Rochester
NYU beats Carnegie Mellon 2-0. Is this the clock striking midnight for CMU or just a momentary blip? Game seemed fairly even on the stats, except for corner kicks where CMU held the edge 7-1. I always thought NYU had a chance to make some noise in the UAA. They had a 3-3-1 record coming into the game, but the 2-1 loss to Messiah suggested that they could hang with anyone.
Case Western Reserve beat Brandeis 4-0. Case was already up 1-0 in the 19th minute when a Brandeis player was ejected on a second yellow card and it was all Case after that, with Case outshooting Brandeis 18-4
Wash U beat Emory 2-1. Emory's goal was scored in the 87th minute, but it was too little too late.
Quote from: Kuiper on October 01, 2022, 05:39:07 PM
Wash U beat Emory 2-1. Emory's goal was scored in the 87th minute, but it was too little too late.
0-0 was a good prediction as Owen Culver did not play. Culver is 5th in the league in both goals scored and points and the only one on the team to score more than one goal through 7 games. Nice win for the Bears today.
With such a large endowment you would think Rochester U would want people to watch their games. It might help them be seen by recruits and other interested fans. Come on RU you need to stop hiding behind your PAYWALL.
It's the University of Rochester (UR), not Rochester University (RU).
I call the UR paywall "the Rochacha gotcha".
The University of Rochester has been colloquially referred to as "Rochester U" since its inception and is the use is appropriate, if old fashioned, as long as the context would not allow the University to be confused with the other 4-5 institutions with Rochester in the name.
I am sure the communication professionals at Rochester would advise otherwise, but that is to be expected. Officially, the use of WashU or Wash.U. was prohibited in official communications until 5-7 years ago.
And speaking of Rochester, the Yellowjackets played Washington University more or less evenly through 90 minutes on Sunday. Both teams deserved overtime.
I do not understand the new rules.
what happened to games that ended in a tie after overtime under previous rules?
Quote from: camosfan on October 11, 2022, 10:04:54 AM
what happened to games that ended in a tie after overtime under previous rules?
Is this a rhetorical question?
Personally, I like the resets and the extra minutes that come with the overtimes, but if the coaches prefer the new rules, I can live with it.
extra time is 'ironman feature' pro don't do that, students should not be subjected to that rigor. I think over time as teams adjust to the new rule we will see more exciting games.
I am ok either way but the one negative I see is that it actually hurts the teams that actually have deep benches. D1 schools do not use their bench as often so let's face it the decision is made from the D1 programs not D2 or D3. They want it to be more like International programs. A lot of D3 student athletes go to colleges of their choice to play the game they love (without any athletic scholarships) not just watch every game from the side lines
Rochester and Wash U might have played another hour without a goal. Iirc, there were days in past years before OT was dropped where all four UAA games ended in draws. Draws also have been frequent in NESCAC for years as well.
It is interesting to me the amount of strong opinion expended around the change to no overtime, and similarly the substitution rules.
It seems that a majority (not sure how much of a majority) would prefer overtime periods. I lean towards preferring the new rule but I also would have been fine with just getting rid of golden goal (which I personally think is more fair if the concern is the likelihood that a superior team will prevail). That said, I would reiterate the very compressed season and that many (most) teams seem to have 3-5 injuries at any given time (and a couple of those may be season-ending). I also would note for the traditionalists that no professional league that I am aware of plays overtime periods until playoff, knock-out situations. The World Cup doesn't have OTs in group play.
At any rate, now combine the compressed schedule, playing out two OTs (with golden goal or without), and allowing only 3-5 subs with no re-entry. When do the various factors in combination add up to survival of the fittest (and good fortune) more so than rules adjustments in the name of enhancing the beautiful game?
There's no question that we are getting far more draws. I'm not convinced that this is because more teams are playing for draws. In fact, I'd bet that while draws have risen dramatically we've also seen a dramatic rise in goals scored in the final 2-3 minutes (either to level or to win).
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 11, 2022, 10:30:32 AM
I am ok either way but the one negative I see is that it actually hurts the teams that actually have deep benches. D1 schools do not use their bench as often so let's face it the decision is made from the D1 programs not D2 or D3. They want it to be more like International programs. A lot of D3 student athletes go to colleges of their choice to play the game they love (without any athletic scholarships) not just watch every game from the side lines
You will see more rotation of starters, back 4 and keeper as regulars and almost every other stop rotating starts.
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 11, 2022, 10:33:19 AM
Rochester and Wash U might have played another hour without a goal. Iirc, there were days in past years before OT was dropped where all four UAA games ended in draws. Draws also have been frequent in NESCAC for years as well.
It is interesting to me the amount of strong opinion expended around the change to no overtime, and similarly the substitution rules.
It seems that a majority (not sure how much of a majority) would prefer overtime periods. I lean towards preferring the new rule but I also would have been fine with just getting rid of golden goal (which I personally think is more fair if the concern is the likelihood that a superior team will prevail). That said, I would reiterate the very compressed season and that many (most) teams seem to have 3-5 injuries at any given time (and a couple of those may be season-ending). I also would note for the traditionalists that no professional league that I am aware of plays overtime periods until playoff, knock-out situations. The World Cup doesn't have OTs in group play.
At any rate, now combine the compressed schedule, playing out two OTs (with golden goal or without), and allowing only 3-5 subs with no re-entry. When do the various factors in combination add up to survival of the fittest (and good fortune) more so than rules adjustments in the name of enhancing the beautiful game?
There's no question that we are getting far more draws. I'm not convinced that this is because more teams are playing for draws. In fact, I'd bet that while draws have risen dramatically we've also seen a dramatic rise in goals scored in the final 2-3 minutes (either to level or to win).
It's almost like we need to dredge up that thread, because this OT conversation is cropping up multiple places.
So, apologies UAA aficionados for the mini-threadjack, but I wanted to come in and thank PN for typing this out... This is EXACTLY how I feel about the OT rules.
maybe a lot of us are not processing draws correctly, the visiting team got the edge in a tie, regardless of the home team's ranking.
My comment about the rule changes was more or less a throw-away comment that I thought would quickly disappear, but I guess people wanted to talk about the rule changes.
I am not sure how long the Rochester and Washington University would have lasted, but I never suggested that two overtimes would have resulted in a winner.
It would be interesting to see the extent to which a team that plays multiple overtimes has an increase in injuries. I am not sure that we know the answer.
I do not see a reason to compare the college game to the international leagues for all the obvious reasons.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on October 11, 2022, 10:46:24 AM
So, apologies UAA aficionados for the mini-threadjack, but I wanted to come in and thank PN for typing this out... This is EXACTLY how I feel about the OT rules.
No need to apologize...the UAA talk has been quiet this season, though we have Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon traveling to Chicago (and of less interest, St. Louis) this weekend so maybe that changes.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 11, 2022, 10:30:32 AM
I am ok either way but the one negative I see is that it actually hurts the teams that actually have deep benches. D1 schools do not use their bench as often so let's face it the decision is made from the D1 programs not D2 or D3. They want it to be more like International programs. A lot of D3 student athletes go to colleges of their choice to play the game they love (without any athletic scholarships) not just watch every game from the side lines
The sentiment that D1 programs make the rules could not be further from the truth. If that were the case, we would have sub rules that mirror the pro game. When D1 men wanted more restrictive sub rules this year, there was an uproar from D3 programs that caused the proposed change to be withdrawn. The removal of overtime was overwhelmingly supported by D3 schools because of the frequency of back to back games or two game weekends that increased wear and tear on players.
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 09:49:26 AM
The University of Rochester has been colloquially referred to as "Rochester U" since its inception and is the use is appropriate, if old fashioned, as long as the context would not allow the University to be confused with the other 4-5 institutions with Rochester in the name.
Hmm. I've never heard it called that, and I grew up 80 miles from Rochester and had a number of friends who attended the university. But you're the one who swims in the UAA sea, not me, so I'll take your word for it. "RU" is just plain wrong, though.
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 09:49:26 AM
I am sure the communication professionals at Rochester would advise otherwise, but that is to be expected. Officially, the use of WashU or Wash.U. was prohibited in official communications until 5-7 years ago.
"Wash U" at least makes sense, though, since it's a shortening of the school's name rather than an anastrophe of it.
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 09:49:26 AMAnd speaking of Rochester, the Yellowjackets played Washington University more or less evenly through 90 minutes on Sunday. Both teams deserved overtime.
I do not understand the new rules.
Join the club. As I said in another thread, I'm getting sick of seeing W-L-T records that look like area codes.
Quote from: camosfan on October 11, 2022, 10:18:38 AM
extra time is 'ironman feature' pro don't do that, students should not be subjected to that rigor. I think over time as teams adjust to the new rule we will see more exciting games.
There's nothing "ironman feature" about a level of soccer that allows unlimited substitutions. And "pros don't do that" is not a determining factor here. Pros don't have unlimited substitutions, either.
I have watched a number of draws thus far this season, and I haven't noticed any more excitement than was the case in the past with overtimes.
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 11, 2022, 10:33:19 AM
Rochester and Wash U might have played another hour without a goal. Iirc, there were days in past years before OT was dropped where all four UAA games ended in draws. Draws also have been frequent in NESCAC for years as well.
Somebody on these boards has been tracking D3 draws this year as compared to last year (Simple Coach, perhaps?), and as you said there's no question that we are getting far more draws. It's really noticeable in terms of records. You can definitely see the increase when you track back to previous years. Taking your NESCAC example, for instance, there has only been one prior season (2015) in which as many as four of the league's eleven teams had three or more draws in league play. Three out of eleven was a rarity, and seasons with zero teams that had three or more NESCAC draws were pretty common.
This year?
Five NESCAC teams already have three or more draws in league play, and there's still two and a half weeks left in the regular season. Heck, the White Mules of Colby are practically having makeout sessions with their sisters, having registered a level scoreboard at the end of five of their seven NESCAC contests to date, with their overall record featuring seven draws in twelve games played.
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 11, 2022, 10:33:19 AMIt seems that a majority (not sure how much of a majority) would prefer overtime periods. I lean towards preferring the new rule but I also would have been fine with just getting rid of golden goal (which I personally think is more fair if the concern is the likelihood that a superior team will prevail). That said, I would reiterate the very compressed season and that many (most) teams seem to have 3-5 injuries at any given time (and a couple of those may be season-ending). I also would note for the traditionalists that no professional league that I am aware of plays overtime periods until playoff, knock-out situations. The World Cup doesn't have OTs in group play.
I think that the compressed-season argument carries a lot more weight than the this-isn't-how-the-pros-do-it argument. D3 isn't the pros, nor is its purpose to prepare student-athletes for the pros. The question with the compressed-season argument is: how valid of an argument is it when unlimited substitutions are allowed and rosters are so comparatively large? Is it just a cop-out for coaches who refuse to go deep into their benches because they're afraid of an excessive dropoff in ability?
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 11, 2022, 10:33:19 AM
At any rate, now combine the compressed schedule, playing out two OTs (with golden goal or without), and allowing only 3-5 subs with no re-entry. When do the various factors in combination add up to survival of the fittest (and good fortune) more so than rules adjustments in the name of enhancing the beautiful game?
This is a good question. It does significantly reduce the wild card of coaching decisions and the subjective nature of a coach's comfort level with substitutions ... which is why I doubt that the coaches would like it.
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 11, 2022, 10:33:19 AMThere's no question that we are getting far more draws. I'm not convinced that this is because more teams are playing for draws. In fact, I'd bet that while draws have risen dramatically we've also seen a dramatic rise in goals scored in the final 2-3 minutes (either to level or to win).
That's an interesting theory. It only awaits someone with the spare time to go deep into the weeds in researching it. ;)
Quote from: camosfan on October 11, 2022, 11:01:36 AM
maybe a lot of us are not processing draws correctly, the visiting team got the edge in a tie, regardless of the home team's ranking.
That's a subjective assessment. I'm not aware of a soccer organization or level that uses any variation of the three-point-win system that allots points credit or penalty based upon home or away.
'm not aware of a soccer organization or level that uses any variation of the three-point-win system that allots points credit or penalty based upon home or away.
was not really referring to any points system but generally how pundits assess performances, road trips are especially tough on D3 teams with the limited resources they have available.
Oh, I certainly agree with the concept of home-field advantage. What I'm saying is that you can't just reduce every game that ends in a draw to the conclusion that it's advantage-visitor. F'rinstance, back on September 3, Messiah drew with Lynchburg at Shellenberger Field in Lynchburg. Do the Falcons "get the edge" for that game as the road team, despite the fact that the Falcons are undeniably superior to the Hornets?
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 11:04:24 AM
My comment about the rule changes was more or less a throw-away comment that I thought would quickly disappear, but I guess people wanted to talk about the rule changes.
I am not sure how long the Rochester and Washington University would have lasted, but I never suggested that two overtimes would have resulted in a winner.
It would be interesting to see the extent to which a team that plays multiple overtimes has an increase in injuries. I am not sure that we know the answer.
I do not see a reason to compare the college game to the international leagues for all the obvious reasons.
I didn't get to respond to this earlier. I am NOT in favor of comparing college, especially D3, to international leagues. Some, though, have lamented that D3 doesn't better mirror international standards and seem to have suggested that goals even in D3 should be consistent with that. My point is that for those who want D3 to be more like "real soccer" then it seems a little contradictory to argue for rules counter to that...that's all.
Ah, got it! Thanks for the clarification...
Is anyone else disappointed in the NYU team this season? Even with the win today over Emory 3-2 such high hopes in the beginning of the season.
Also CMU did not even show up for their game against Chicago today. That being said the Maroons looked really good today
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 07:27:39 PM
Is anyone else disappointed in the NYU team this season? Even with the win today over Emory 3-2 such high hopes in the beginning of the season.
Also CMU did not even show up for their game against Chicago today. That being said the Maroons looked really good today
I feel like the Maroons added another gear to their game on offense today, choosing to press more than maybe they have in the past. I expect that Coach Sitch challenged the boys and used CMU's high ranking as a way to motivate them to up their game. That basically unmasked CMU as being a bit over-ranking, which might have been evident from their loss to NYU a few games ago.
Quote from: Kuiper on October 14, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 07:27:39 PM
Is anyone else disappointed in the NYU team this season? Even with the win today over Emory 3-2 such high hopes in the beginning of the season.
Also CMU did not even show up for their game against Chicago today. That being said the Maroons looked really good today
I feel like the Maroons added another gear to their game on offense today, choosing to press more than maybe they have in the past. I expect that Coach Sitch challenged the boys and used CMU's high ranking as a way to motivate them to up their game. That basically unmasked CMU as being a bit over-ranking, which might have been evident from their loss to NYU a few games ago.
3:00 – Carnegie Mellon @ Chicago – (You want the truth?! You can't handle the truth! Moment of truth for the Tartans and I don't expect the truth to be kind. Maroons 3-0.)
CMU has been living off a last minute goal against JCU for way too long. There next best win was Brandeis who is last place in UAA and having a rough season. CMU has had by far the weakest schedule in the UAA and among the Region VII upper tier.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2022, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 09:49:26 AMAnd speaking of Rochester, the Yellowjackets played Washington University more or less evenly through 90 minutes on Sunday. Both teams deserved overtime.
I do not understand the new rules.
@WUPHF .... did you pay $5.95 to watch the game???? Or were you in the stands?
SC.
I was in the stands for the Rochester game as that was in St. Louis. Washington University has donors who have endowed the broadcasts, but would find the money even if that was not the case. John Schael, the long time athletic director, was committed to free access to the games and that tradition has continued, thankfully.
Quote from: Kuiper on October 14, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 07:27:39 PM
Is anyone else disappointed in the NYU team this season? Even with the win today over Emory 3-2 such high hopes in the beginning of the season.
Also CMU did not even show up for their game against Chicago today. That being said the Maroons looked really good today
I feel like the Maroons added another gear to their game on offense today, choosing to press more than maybe they have in the past. I expect that Coach Sitch challenged the boys and used CMU's high ranking as a way to motivate them to up their game. That basically unmasked CMU as being a bit over-ranking, which might have been evident from their loss to NYU a few games ago.
CMU was never in the game, and it could have easily been 4-0 by halftime cuz of two open headers that somehow missed. The Tartans were smaller at every position, and that ranking of theirs got super exposed. That is not a top 25 team right there. Turned out to be one of UChicago's easiest games of the season. The Maroons keep adding wrinkles to their game it seems, cuz they know they are the hunted for the rest of the season.
It will be interesting to see how Case Western Reserve does against Chicago. I thought Washington University was every bit as good or better than Case and nearly had the win, but the Spartans scored with 0:55 left in the game.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 09:49:26 AM
The University of Rochester has been colloquially referred to as "Rochester U" since its inception and is the use is appropriate, if old fashioned, as long as the context would not allow the University to be confused with the other 4-5 institutions with Rochester in the name.
Hmm. I've never heard it called that, and I grew up 80 miles from Rochester and had a number of friends who attended the university. But you're the one who swims in the UAA sea, not me, so I'll take your word for it. "RU" is just plain wrong, though.
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 09:49:26 AM
I am sure the communication professionals at Rochester would advise otherwise, but that is to be expected. Officially, the use of WashU or Wash.U. was prohibited in official communications until 5-7 years ago.
"Wash U" at least makes sense, though, since it's a shortening of the school's name rather than an anastrophe of it.
I'm a bit late on this, but since I went to the UofR for grad school (after getting my undergrad degree at WashU), my input might be relevant.
I never recall hearing anyone say "Rochester U." I wouldn't be surprised to see a 1937 New York Times headline referring to "Rochester U," but I'd say that its use is archaic, not just old fashioned.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2022, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 09:49:26 AMAnd speaking of Rochester, the Yellowjackets played Washington University more or less evenly through 90 minutes on Sunday. Both teams deserved overtime.
I do not understand the new rules.
Join the club. As I said in another thread, I'm getting sick of seeing W-L-T records that look like area codes.
This made me think of UMass. Their record is currently 6-1-7, which is the area code for Boston.
Quote from: Buck O. on October 20, 2022, 03:12:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 09:49:26 AM
The University of Rochester has been colloquially referred to as "Rochester U" since its inception and is the use is appropriate, if old fashioned, as long as the context would not allow the University to be confused with the other 4-5 institutions with Rochester in the name.
Hmm. I've never heard it called that, and I grew up 80 miles from Rochester and had a number of friends who attended the university. But you're the one who swims in the UAA sea, not me, so I'll take your word for it. "RU" is just plain wrong, though.
Quote from: WUPHF on October 11, 2022, 09:49:26 AM
I am sure the communication professionals at Rochester would advise otherwise, but that is to be expected. Officially, the use of WashU or Wash.U. was prohibited in official communications until 5-7 years ago.
"Wash U" at least makes sense, though, since it's a shortening of the school's name rather than an anastrophe of it.
I'm a bit late on this, but since I went to the UofR for grad school (after getting my undergrad degree at WashU), my input might be relevant.
I never recall hearing anyone say "Rochester U." I wouldn't be surprised to see a 1937 New York Times headline referring to "Rochester U," but I'd say that its use is archaic, not just old fashioned.
Do parents, alums and students get free online access to games?
Not to my knowledge.
UPSET Alert:
No one is probably watching the game because of the paywall, but Alvernia is currently beating University of Rochester at Rochester 3-1 at half. Rochester scored the first goal in the 2nd minute, but Alvernia scored three straight goals. Don't know if it's truly an upset since Alvernia is 9-2-5 and Rochester is 6-2-4, but I'm not sure anyone expected Rochester to give up 3 in one half after only giving up 2 goals in the last 5 and only 7 goals all season.
UPDATE: Alvernia beats Rochester 3-2. Doesn't affect the UAA standings, obviously, but could affect Rochester in the larger NCAA picture
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/26/sports/soccer/nyu-chicago-women-soccer-coaches.html
Quote from: Another Mom on October 26, 2022, 06:08:53 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/26/sports/soccer/nyu-chicago-women-soccer-coaches.html
Excellent. Thanks, Another Mom.
Definitely worth posting in the national thread too.
The Chicago - NYU game takes on a different look with a red card handed out to the NYU striker midway through the half. It was a pretty obvious one, with the striker putting his leg straight out with studs up to try to get a ball over the top and making contact with the Chicago GK. Not sure if the GK made a bit of a meal of it, but it definitely made contact with him and it was a pretty clearly reckless studs up challenge. 0-0 at halftime. Chicago knocking on the door after the red card, but NYU holding tight thus far.
NYU is playing better with just 10 men. They are getting some good looks at goal. This is the second game that I am aware of that Chicago played against a 10 men team for more than a half. Calvin was down and even tied it up at 1 goal a piece before Chicago pulled it out late in the game.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 28, 2022, 05:41:09 PM
NYU is playing better with just 10 men. They are getting some good looks at goal. This is the second game that I am aware of that Chicago played against a 10 men team for more than a half. Calvin was down and even tied it up at 1 goal a piece before Chicago pulled it out late in the game.
Agreed. And it's not a case of NYU just sitting in a low block and frustrating Chicago. They have had two great chances to score in the second half.
Chicago ties NYU 0-0. Chicago had a shot at the very end of the game that hit the cross bar and apparently came back down on the field side of the end line rather than the goal side, but that was really its most dangerous play of the game.
I was expecting more from Chicago offensively. Thought they looked a little lifeless on the attack... except for that last one that clanged off of the cross bar, bounced on or close to the line then bounced out.
SC.
Quote from: Kuiper on October 28, 2022, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 28, 2022, 05:41:09 PM
NYU is playing better with just 10 men. They are getting some good looks at goal. This is the second game that I am aware of that Chicago played against a 10 men team for more than a half. Calvin was down and even tied it up at 1 goal a piece before Chicago pulled it out late in the game.
Agreed. And it's not a case of NYU just sitting in a low block and frustrating Chicago. They have had two great chances to score in the second half.
IMO NYU outplayed Chicago. Late chance by Chicago off the crossbar but NYU also hit post earlier. NYU lead in every stat but Fouls and offsides. Had the edge in shots 9-8 and corners 5-4. They did not pack it in after the red card. Kudos to NYU for the draw and not playing for it like some teams have done this year.
Interesting game. Very surprised #9 for NYU didn't bury one of those. He also had a very dangerous corner and remember he just scored off a corner last game I believe. That said, I thought NYU did mostly sit in a low block and usually had 9 men behind the ball. Chicago seems to much prefer being the counterattacking team where there can get their danger guys in more open space and I don't think they quite knew what to do and I believe on each of NYU's best chances those plays happened on counters where the Maroons only had one or two guys back which is weird for them. Anyway, great result for NYU. Managed the game really well and overall I agree NYU had the better chances despite Chicago being in their final third and even around the box for long stretches.
Brandeis defeated Washington University 1-0 for their first UAA win of the season. That is frustrating.
Rochester goes down to Case. Good loss on UR's part, that will move them up in the regional rankings.
Quote from: stlawus on October 28, 2022, 07:03:42 PM
Rochester goes down to Case. Good loss on UR's part, that will move them up in the regional rankings.
LOL. And Case will drop.
While a disappointing result for UChicago, it was entirely predictable. The Maroons hadn't played a game in 12 days and were taking on a team that was desperate for a win to help their NCAA chances. Between the New York Times articcle and all the national attention/signficance surrounding this game and UChicago's undefeated start, it was a recipe for the Maroons to come out flat. It also felt like UChicago would have played better if they hadn't gone a man up; it throws them out of their usual flow, especially on a narrower field like Gaelic Park.
Regardless, NYU worked hard for the draw and should be credited for it. The pressure of being undefeated #1 is real, and the Maroons now have the opportunity to exhale and regroup. Now they just need to focus on delivering a W at Brandeis.
Quote from: stlawus on October 28, 2022, 07:03:42 PM
Rochester goes down to Case. Good loss on UR's part, that will move them up in the regional rankings.
Was anyone able to watch it LOL
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 29, 2022, 10:28:33 AM
Quote from: stlawus on October 28, 2022, 07:03:42 PM
Rochester goes down to Case. Good loss on UR's part, that will move them up in the regional rankings.
Was anyone able to watch it LOL
A candidate for the worst game I have seen this season!
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 29, 2022, 10:28:33 AM
Quote from: stlawus on October 28, 2022, 07:03:42 PM
Rochester goes down to Case. Good loss on UR's part, that will move them up in the regional rankings.
Was anyone able to watch it LOL
It was at Case, so the stream was free. Only home games are behind a paywall.
Incidentally, as much grief as people give Rochester, most D1 games are also behind a paywall. Difference is that many of them are on ESPN+, which a lot of people get anyway because of a bundle they got or because you can get tons of games (pro too), or regional channels like Big10 or ACC network that fans may have on their cable sports package and can use to follow all the teams at their school. The D1 equivalent of Rochester is the odd conference that has FLO, which fewer people get and is not very reliable.
Quote from: camosfan on October 29, 2022, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 29, 2022, 10:28:33 AM
Quote from: stlawus on October 28, 2022, 07:03:42 PM
Rochester goes down to Case. Good loss on UR's part, that will move them up in the regional rankings.
Was anyone able to watch it LOL
A candidate for the worst game I have seen this season!
Worst game? Can you elaborate? I watched most of this one and that thought never occurred to me.
Quote from: WUPHF on October 28, 2022, 06:58:59 PM
Brandeis defeated Washington University 1-0 for their first UAA win of the season. That is frustrating.
I was at the game. Deis deserved the win. They were much better in the first half, and WashU was lucky only to be down by one goal. WashU hit the gas in the last 30 minutes or so and had a couple of promising flurries, but were unable to finish.
Now Chicago can clinch the UAA title with a win over Deis tomorrow--if the tiebreaker for the AQ is H2H, since they have the win over Case. (I used to know the tiebreaker, but I've forgotten.) Anyway, WashU will be eliminated unless Deis can take at least one point off of Chicago, and since the women's team has already been eliminated from UAA title contention, this is likely to be the first season since 2005 with no NCAA tournament participation by a WashU team.
These 10:00 am and 11:00 am start times strike me as really, really early. Any thoughts on how that impacts or doesn't feeling ready to go, preparation, helping or not helping the away team, etc?
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 30, 2022, 09:29:19 AM
These 10:00 am and 11:00 am start times strike me as really, really early. Any thoughts on how that impacts or doesn't feeling ready to go, preparation, helping or not helping the away team, etc?
This is very typical in UAA games. They help accommodate travel after the game back home so players won't miss Monday classes. There might be a slight disadvantage for Chicago and Wash U when away at eastern time zone schools because of the hour time difference, but I doubt it. Freshman players should be pretty familiar with it because club schedules have them playing much earlier than 10 or 11 am on a typical weekend and returning players know the drill from past seasons. UAA at least tends to have a rest day in-between games on Friday/Sunday, which both makes the second game more manageable for the body and allows coaches to plan the off day to get the players to bed early. The away players travel between games and that gives the home teams an advantage, but that wouldn't change much if the game was a few hours later.
Quote from: Kuiper on October 30, 2022, 10:38:03 AM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 30, 2022, 09:29:19 AM
These 10:00 am and 11:00 am start times strike me as really, really early. Any thoughts on how that impacts or doesn't feeling ready to go, preparation, helping or not helping the away team, etc?
This is very typical in UAA games. They help accommodate travel after the game back home so players won't miss Monday classes. There might be a slight disadvantage for Chicago and Wash U when away at eastern time zone schools because of the hour time difference, but I doubt it. Freshman players should be pretty familiar with it because club schedules have them playing much earlier than 10 or 11 am on a typical weekend and returning players know the drill from past seasons. UAA at least tends to have a rest day in-between games on Friday/Sunday, which both makes the second game more manageable for the body and allows coaches to plan the off day to get the players to bed early. The away players travel between games and that gives the home teams an advantage, but that wouldn't change much if the game was a few hours later.
Yeah, I knew it wasn't a new thing for the UAA, and I know they all grow up playing soccer (and other sports) early in the morning/day but I also recall sleeping until 11:00 or noon in college....and having a hard time getting to sleep when I know I have to get to sleep early. Also wonder if there are adjustments in terms of meals and timing.
Pretty sure CWRU has punched a ticket. 4 wins and a draw in UAA with high SoS should be enough even if lose to CMU next week.
If CMU holds off UR I would guess CMU is in and also puts UR out. If UR recovers and wins that could make next weekend determinative (and impact some other bubble teams).
Right now I'd guess the UAA gets Chicago with AQ and then CWRU, NYU, and CMU.
So thankful that the $58,924 tuition allows CMU to let fans watch their team for free. Unlike as SC calls U of PAYWALL's $59,324, the school can not free up enough money to let their fans watch free. :)
Congratulations to CMU for showing the game and getting the win over U of PAYWALL 1-0
Rochester is out. The only thing that makes me a tiny bit hesitant is that UR is likely to have the highest SoS in the country after this week. But they are 6-5-4 and have only one ranked win and they won't pick up another at Emory next weekend (and the SoS will dip just a little probably around where it was this week to around .623).
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 30, 2022, 01:01:26 PM
Rochester is out. The only thing that makes me a tiny bit hesitant is that UR is likely to have the highest SoS in the country after this week. But they are 6-5-4 and have only one ranked win and they won't pick up another at Emory next weekend (and the SoS will dip just a little probably around where it was this week to around .623).
True, but a team sending out SoS cannot benefit from SoS.
And Wash U can book vacation plans along with UR, Brandeis, and Emory.
NYU had a very good weekend and should be in good shape but is still low on ranked wins and can't get one next week at Brandeis. They may be sweating it out the more I look at it.
Gotta give credit to CMU. Did not expect them to beat UR today and after the kind of rough patch I did expect a couple of weeks ago they've rebounded. CMU and CWRU will want to get a result against each other next weekend but what could have set up to be a play-in game I don't think still is.
Quote from: Saint of Old on October 30, 2022, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 30, 2022, 01:01:26 PM
Rochester is out. The only thing that makes me a tiny bit hesitant is that UR is likely to have the highest SoS in the country after this week. But they are 6-5-4 and have only one ranked win and they won't pick up another at Emory next weekend (and the SoS will dip just a little probably around where it was this week to around .623).
True, but a team sending out SoS cannot benefit from SoS.
Not following.
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 30, 2022, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: Saint of Old on October 30, 2022, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 30, 2022, 01:01:26 PM
Rochester is out. The only thing that makes me a tiny bit hesitant is that UR is likely to have the highest SoS in the country after this week. But they are 6-5-4 and have only one ranked win and they won't pick up another at Emory next weekend (and the SoS will dip just a little probably around where it was this week to around .623).
True, but a team sending out SoS cannot benefit from SoS.
Not following.
SOS
Distress signal
Announcing something is not right and needs urgent fixing
Quote from: Saint of Old on October 30, 2022, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 30, 2022, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: Saint of Old on October 30, 2022, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 30, 2022, 01:01:26 PM
Rochester is out. The only thing that makes me a tiny bit hesitant is that UR is likely to have the highest SoS in the country after this week. But they are 6-5-4 and have only one ranked win and they won't pick up another at Emory next weekend (and the SoS will dip just a little probably around where it was this week to around .623).
True, but a team sending out SoS cannot benefit from SoS.
Not following.
SOS
Distress signal
Announcing something is not right and needs urgent fixing
Well if I'm folliowing you this time UR's strength of schedule does help them but probably not enough.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 30, 2022, 12:49:48 PM
So thankful that the $58,924 tuition allows CMU to let fans watch their team for free. Unlike as SC calls U of PAYWALL's $59,324, the school can not free up enough money to let their fans watch free. :)
I call it "the Rochacha gotcha".
Does anyone have any information on Griffin Wada. It looked like a knee injury. Hope he is ok
Looked like a mild hyperextension. He came back in and finished the game
Only 1 UAA team makes it past the first round.
And that's barely. Chicago almost gave up a goal on a wide open look 10 minutes in. I thought Chicago was rock solid but between its showing here, the weakness of the UAA in the tournament, and Kenyon's shellacking of Calvin now I am not so certain.
Quote from: deutschfan on November 12, 2022, 09:57:31 PM
And that's barely. Chicago almost gave up a goal on a wide open look 10 minutes in. I thought Chicago was rock solid but between its showing here, the weakness of the UAA in the tournament, and Kenyon's shellacking of Calvin now I am not so certain.
I wouldn't call it barely. Once UChicago scored, the result really wasn't in doubt. The Maroons looked vulnerable though, and Willamette is gonna give them problems tomorrow night.
Quote from: deutschfan on November 12, 2022, 09:57:31 PM
And that's barely. Chicago almost gave up a goal on a wide open look 10 minutes in. I thought Chicago was rock solid but between its showing here, the weakness of the UAA in the tournament, and Kenyon's shellacking of Calvin now I am not so certain.
CMU did poorly, but CWRU was eliminated in PKs and NYU lost in OT. I think this was a weaker than usual year for the UAA in general, but basing any conclusions on the results of a coin flip and an OT game is a stretch. The UAA was still probably the second strongest conference in the country, although the gap between it and the NESCAC was wider than usual.
[Edited to correct an error. H/T: Falconer]
Not gonna argue that the Nescac is not the Champions Lge of D3 soccer. As far as who is next in line, I think we need a whole new topic thread to settle that debate. I am sure many conferences would nominate themselves...Off the top of my head, @least 2 from the Upstate NY region would fancy their chances.
Quote from: Buck O. on November 13, 2022, 08:26:20 AM
Quote from: deutschfan on November 12, 2022, 09:57:31 PM
And that's barely. Chicago almost gave up a goal on a wide open look 10 minutes in. I thought Chicago was rock solid but between its showing here, the weakness of the UAA in the tournament, and Kenyon's shellacking of Calvin now I am not so certain.
CMU did poorly, but both NYU and CWRU were eliminated in PKs. I think this was a weaker than usual year for the UAA in general, but basing any conclusions on the results of a couple of coin flips is a stretch. The UAA was still probably the second strongest conference in the country, although the gap between it and the NESCAC was wider than usual.
Actually, Williams beat NYU 2-1, in 2 OT.
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 13, 2022, 08:31:58 AM
Not gonna argue that the Nescac is not the Champions Lge of D3 soccer. As far as who is next in line, I think we need a whole new topic thread to settle that debate. I am sure many conferences would nominate themselves...Off the top of my head, @least 2 from the Upstate NY region would fancy their chances.
So the Amherst v SLU game people have been talking about and hoping for is indeed going to occur today. Two questions:
1. Has anyone heard which field they'll be playing on?
2. I haven't seen SLU in action. Could someone give me a quick rundown on their style of play?
Thanks,
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 13, 2022, 08:31:58 AM
Not gonna argue that the Nescac is not the Champions Lge of D3 soccer. As far as who is next in line, I think we need a whole new topic thread to settle that debate. I am sure many conferences would nominate themselves...Off the top of my head, @least 2 from the Upstate NY region would fancy their chances.
If you're just looking at the top half of the conference, then I agree. But the whole conference matters, and most of these conferences have anchors that drag the average quality down. The SUNYAC has Fredonia and Potsdam, for example, and they count just as much as Oneonta or Cortland. As for your Liberty League, they have Ithaca, Union and (especially) Bard. The weakest teams in the UAA were Emory and 'Deis, which are really completely decent teams.
Quote from: Falconer on November 13, 2022, 08:39:37 AM
Quote from: Buck O. on November 13, 2022, 08:26:20 AM
Quote from: deutschfan on November 12, 2022, 09:57:31 PM
And that's barely. Chicago almost gave up a goal on a wide open look 10 minutes in. I thought Chicago was rock solid but between its showing here, the weakness of the UAA in the tournament, and Kenyon's shellacking of Calvin now I am not so certain.
CMU did poorly, but both NYU and CWRU were eliminated in PKs. I think this was a weaker than usual year for the UAA in general, but basing any conclusions on the results of a couple of coin flips is a stretch. The UAA was still probably the second strongest conference in the country, although the gap between it and the NESCAC was wider than usual.
Actually, Williams beat NYU 2-1, in 2 OT.
Oh, sorry about that. I think I was thinking it was a tie because Williams was involved!
Quote from: Buck O. on November 13, 2022, 08:43:06 AM
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 13, 2022, 08:31:58 AM
Not gonna argue that the Nescac is not the Champions Lge of D3 soccer. As far as who is next in line, I think we need a whole new topic thread to settle that debate. I am sure many conferences would nominate themselves...Off the top of my head, @least 2 from the Upstate NY region would fancy their chances.
If you're just looking at the top half of the conference, then I agree. But the whole conference matters, and most of these conferences have anchors that drag the average quality down. The SUNYAC has Fredonia and Potsdam, for example, and they count just as much as Oneonta or Cortland. As for your Liberty League, they have Ithaca, Union and (especially) Bard. The weakest teams in the UAA were Emory and 'Deis, which are really completely decent teams.
Ithaca Bombers were dancing 2 seasons ago BTW.
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 13, 2022, 08:49:19 AM
Quote from: Buck O. on November 13, 2022, 08:43:06 AM
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 13, 2022, 08:31:58 AM
Not gonna argue that the Nescac is not the Champions Lge of D3 soccer. As far as who is next in line, I think we need a whole new topic thread to settle that debate. I am sure many conferences would nominate themselves...Off the top of my head, @least 2 from the Upstate NY region would fancy their chances.
If you're just looking at the top half of the conference, then I agree. But the whole conference matters, and most of these conferences have anchors that drag the average quality down. The SUNYAC has Fredonia and Potsdam, for example, and they count just as much as Oneonta or Cortland. As for your Liberty League, they have Ithaca, Union and (especially) Bard. The weakest teams in the UAA were Emory and 'Deis, which are really completely decent teams.
Ithaca Bombers were dancing 2 seasons ago BTW.
I was talking about this year. But if we want to talk about the last several years, I think that's just going to strengthen the UAA's argument, as in 2017 and 2018, I think that the UAA was actually stronger than the NESCAC (4 Elite Eight teams and 2 Final Four teams in 2017, 4 Elite Eight teams and 2 Final Four teams in 2018).
Saint, no filtering desired, right?
Your confidence and loyalty are off the charts. I am envious.
In a UAA thread this morning challenging for 2nd best conference? On the back of two PK advances, one of which involved an opponent with a shootout win literally on their foot?
I dunno, I watched a bit of the Case Western game yesterday, and was unimpressed.
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on November 13, 2022, 08:40:44 AM
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 13, 2022, 08:31:58 AM
Not gonna argue that the Nescac is not the Champions Lge of D3 soccer. As far as who is next in line, I think we need a whole new topic thread to settle that debate. I am sure many conferences would nominate themselves...Off the top of my head, @least 2 from the Upstate NY region would fancy their chances.
So the Amherst v SLU game people have been talking about and hoping for is indeed going to occur today. Two questions:
1. Has anyone heard which field they'll be playing on?
2. I haven't seen SLU in action. Could someone give me a quick rundown on their style of play?
Thanks,
1. I'm told they are playing on the grass. Hitchcock.
2. SLU plays a completely different style than Amherst. SLU works the ball up the field on the ground. Marvin Sibanda (10) controls the game. Some good wingers and defenders. Weaknesses. Set pieces for and against. Strengths. Controlling the ball. Toughness. Desire. Team chemistry. If the field is in decent shape I give them a shot.
Quote from: Another Mom on November 13, 2022, 09:13:52 AM
I dunno, I watched a bit of the Case Western game yesterday, and was unimpressed.
You dunno what? That the UAA is the 2nd best conference? Let's say they're wildly overrated and not the 2nd best? Who do you think is 2nd best?
CWRU is a very solid, good team. It's hard to look good against Muhlenberg...just ask Gettysburg, F&M, and Hopkins. W&L should be fine because they have a lot more of an offensive orientation than those teams, but seems like a leap to go from being unimpressed with CWRU to even a vague conclusion about the UAA.
I wrote a thread a while ago talking about the UAA. I really do love the conference and the schools but i think they get over rewarded for NCAA bid based on the system. Whereas most (maybe all) conferences have a concentration of all of their teams in a particular region which somewhat limits their ability to get regional wins, UAA is spread across several regions and can have literally their entire conference regionally ranked.
In addition with only 7 conference games and no conference tournament they have much more scheduling flexibility to schedule "high mid majors" and boost their regional wins and SOS.
They have been rewarded with the highest percentage of conference at large bids over the last several years. To be perfectly crass, they have not delivered in the NCAA tournament over the last 3 years. Besides Chicago, which has had some great runs, I think they are well under .500 as a conference.
I don't know if they are the 2nd best conference, (only because I don't know all the other conferences) but Emory, Carnegie Mellon, Rochester, and Case all would need to be playing higher level soccer before I would say that the conference is really strong.
Eta and we can probably add in WashU and Brandeis this year. Isn't that most of the conference not playing up to its potential?
No question there have been years the UAA has underperformed in the tournment given their reputation. That said, Brandeis also made two final fours in the past 7 years and Rochester one. Not many conferences can say one of their bottom dwellers this year made two final fours since 2015.
I'm absolutely not making a case for 2nd best conference, but wanted to highlight the Centennial had all 3 teams advance yesterday. It actually kind of helps make the point: You can't just take one day/round of the NCAAs to make a realistic case about the relative strength of a conference.
But when you stack up 3-5 years of results, it starts to build up a body of work. I'd love to see some of the stats on that and probably in the off season I'll do that for Centennial, ODAC, SUNYAC, LL, etc.
Almost forgot...besides Chicago in final 4 twice, Brandeis twice, and Rochester once, Case and Emory also made the Elite 8 within the past 5 years.
Not trying to defend UAA as much as counter some pretty wild claims. Look, no way CMU should have been in the tournament over Montclair. CWRU should not have failed against Muhlenberg (but as I noted several Centennial teams ad similar trouble with the Mules). NYU lost a toss-up game. That's it...only four teams this year and should have been three.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 13, 2022, 09:34:49 AM
I'm absolutely not making a case for 2nd best conference, but wanted to highlight the Centennial had all 3 teams advance yesterday. It actually kind of helps make the point: You can't just take one day/round of the NCAAs to make a realistic case about the relative strength of a conference.
But when you stack up 3-5 years of results, it starts to build up a body of work. I'd love to see some of the stats on that and probably in the off season I'll do that for Centennial, ODAC, SUNYAC, LL, etc.
Can save you some time. On that measure it's not close. Out of the four conferences you noted, only one team has made the final 4 (W&L) in the past 3-5 years and then you have to go back several more years to Oneonta.
Quote from: Another Mom on November 13, 2022, 09:29:31 AM
I don't know if they are the 2nd best conference, (only because I don't know all the other conferences) but Emory, Carnegie Mellon, Rochester, and Case all would need to be playing higher level soccer before I would say that the conference is really strong.
Eta and we can probably add in WashU and Brandeis this year. Isn't that most of the conference not playing up to its potential?
Now you're posing two different questions. Were they down some this year and have they underperformed in the tournament? Absolutely. Is the gap between NESCAC and UAA maybe bigger than some of us sometimes think? Very possible. But even if there is a big gap between #1 and #2 that doesn't mean there isn't another big gap to #3....which honestly is probably the Centennial with a record of generally not doing much beyond the Sweet 16.
Might be prudent to see how everything shakes out today.
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 13, 2022, 09:45:58 AM
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 13, 2022, 09:34:49 AM
I'm absolutely not making a case for 2nd best conference, but wanted to highlight the Centennial had all 3 teams advance yesterday. It actually kind of helps make the point: You can't just take one day/round of the NCAAs to make a realistic case about the relative strength of a conference.
But when you stack up 3-5 years of results, it starts to build up a body of work. I'd love to see some of the stats on that and probably in the off season I'll do that for Centennial, ODAC, SUNYAC, LL, etc.
Can save you some time. On that measure it's not close. Out of the four conferences you noted, only one team has made the final 4 (W&L) in the past 3-5 years and then you have to go back several more years to Oneonta.
People make a VERY big deal out of just the general W-L of conferences in D1 basketball. Would be interesting (to me) just to have a running tab of how the "other" conferences stack up to the UAA and NESCAC.
My starting position is UAA is second best and it's not really close. We had this discussion earlier in the season and I think paclassic pulled RPI #'s... But now that I think about that was just the conferences in Region IV and V.
Have to agree with Paul Newman and Hopkins. After NESCAC, its UAA, and everyone else is not very close. Even though NESCAC has dominated the NCAAs over the past decade, and there hasn't been a champ from the UAA in forever, I'd make the argument that the gap between the NESCAC and UAA has actually closed during the past 10 years, and the gap from the other conferences widened. In the first decade of this century the UAA had some perennial easy outs including Brandeis, NYU and Case. Now, even in down years for teams such as Brandeis and Emory, there are no easy outs. I can't imagine a Centennial League, or SUNYAC, or Liberty League team going into a game with a UAA team and thinking this is going to be a walkover, no matter which team they play. I would even say that the NESCAC has some easier outs in the historically weak teams than the UAA.
Quote from: Saint_Dad on November 13, 2022, 09:23:00 AM
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on November 13, 2022, 08:40:44 AM
Quote from: Saint of Old on November 13, 2022, 08:31:58 AM
Not gonna argue that the Nescac is not the Champions Lge of D3 soccer. As far as who is next in line, I think we need a whole new topic thread to settle that debate. I am sure many conferences would nominate themselves...Off the top of my head, @least 2 from the Upstate NY region would fancy their chances.
So the Amherst v SLU game people have been talking about and hoping for is indeed going to occur today. Two questions:
1. Has anyone heard which field they'll be playing on?
2. I haven't seen SLU in action. Could someone give me a quick rundown on their style of play?
Thanks,
1. I'm told they are playing on the grass. Hitchcock.
2. SLU plays a completely different style than Amherst. SLU works the ball up the field on the ground. Marvin Sibanda (10) controls the game. Some good wingers and defenders. Weaknesses. Set pieces for and against. Strengths. Controlling the ball. Toughness. Desire. Team chemistry. If the field is in decent shape I give them a shot.
Thanks. Good luck today.
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 13, 2022, 09:52:14 AM
Quote from: Another Mom on November 13, 2022, 09:29:31 AM
I don't know if they are the 2nd best conference, (only because I don't know all the other conferences) but Emory, Carnegie Mellon, Rochester, and Case all would need to be playing higher level soccer before I would say that the conference is really strong.
Eta and we can probably add in WashU and Brandeis this year. Isn't that most of the conference not playing up to its potential?
Now you're posing two different questions. Were they down some this year and have they underperformed in the tournament? Absolutely. Is the gap between NESCAC and UAA maybe bigger than some of us sometimes think? Very possible. But even if there is a big gap between #1 and #2 that doesn't mean there isn't another big gap to #3....which honestly is probably the Centennial with a record of generally not doing much beyond the Sweet 16.
Agree on all counts, including the opinion that the Centennial is probably #3. I mean, Another Mom is right that most of the UAA didn't play up to its potential... this year. That's why it was a down year for the conference. With that said, the league was still pretty decent. The bottom half of the league with their Massey ratings as of this moment: WashU (75), Rochester (80), Brandeis (103), Emory (107). None of those really played what I would call high level soccer, but there are four Centennial teams (McDaniel, Swat, Fords, Ursinus) with Massey ratings that are worse than Emory, the worst UAA team, with the latter two well below. Three LL teams (Ithaca, Union, Bard) have Massey ratings that are considerably worse than Emory. So do three NEWMAC teams. Four SCIAC teams. SEVEN NJAC teams. Five Landmark teams. Six SUNYAC teams. Have I made my point yet?
Quote from: deutschfan on November 13, 2022, 12:25:33 PM
Have to agree with Paul Newman and Hopkins. After NESCAC, its UAA, and everyone else is not very close. Even though NESCAC has dominated the NCAAs over the past decade, and there hasn't been a champ from the UAA in forever, I'd make the argument that the gap between the NESCAC and UAA has actually closed during the past 10 years, and the gap from the other conferences widened. In the first decade of this century the UAA had some perennial easy outs including Brandeis, NYU and Case. Now, even in down years for teams such as Brandeis and Emory, there are no easy outs. I can't imagine a Centennial League, or SUNYAC, or Liberty League team going into a game with a UAA team and thinking this is going to be a walkover, no matter which team they play. I would even say that the NESCAC has some easier outs in the historically weak teams than the UAA.
I happened to be looking at this thread and realized that there was a fairly substantial discussion about how this was a down year for the UAA and, as the quoted post above states, "there hasn't been a champ from the UAA in forever." Ironic that this discussion took place in a year when Chicago from the UAA won it all. I figured I might as well add this concluding post for posterity!
It looks like Naz Kabbani from Univ of Chicago's 2022 Championship team has re-joined Chicago House AC, who he played with last summer, in its US Open Cup run. Nice to see him be able to extend his playing career a little (although I think this is a non-professional gig and he is probably working somewhere).
https://twitter.com/ChicagoHouse_AC/status/1636415167914479617?s=20
Just watched John Carroll v CMU early goal 4th minute by JCU. Lightning delay for over 50 minutes. JCU won the game and the card battle. 5 yellow cards and 3 for CMU. JCU Moher saved a PK in the second to preserve the win. I felt the Jaden Wright from JCU was the best player on the field. If you get a chance he was a playmaker for the streak.
Agree with your assessment- watched the game and Jaden Wright is going to be a handful. Previous school Akron. His position at Akron is listed alternating Fwd and Def between 2019-2021 but didn't see his name on the roster for 2022. Maybe I missed something... the delay appeared to hurt CMU, came out running in quicksand- though CMU played better as game progressed. Need to keep those legs warm during a long delay.
Curious if anyone else caught the end of the Brandeis vs. Bridgewater State game last night. With the game at 1-1 and just over a minute remaining, 10-man Bridgewater seemingly capitalized on a fanned clearance by the Brandeis goalkeeper. Bridgewater collected the loose ball at the end line and passed it across to a wide open player that tapped it in, for what everyone thought to be a sure game winner. The player that scored was clearly behind the ball/passer. However, after a brief debate, the refs called it offsides to keep the game at a draw. BSU coaches/players were visibly (and reasonably) upset and the BSU recap even gave its two cents, calling it "questionable".
https://www.bsubears.com/sports/msoc/2023-24/releases/20230912wr89ee
Quote from: Midwest Fan on September 13, 2023, 03:30:02 PM
Curious if anyone else caught the end of the Brandeis vs. Bridgewater State game last night. With the game at 1-1 and just over a minute remaining, 10-man Bridgewater seemingly capitalized on a fanned clearance by the Brandeis goalkeeper. Bridgewater collected the loose ball at the end line and passed it across to a wide open player that tapped it in, for what everyone thought to be a sure game winner. The player that scored was clearly behind the ball/passer. However, after a brief debate, the refs called it offsides to keep the game at a draw. BSU coaches/players were visibly (and reasonably) upset and the BSU recap even gave its two cents, calling it "questionable".
https://www.bsubears.com/sports/msoc/2023-24/releases/20230912wr89ee
I don't think BSU has beaten Brandeis since 1927...and Brandeis has only existed since 1948.
UAA results appear to be less impressive than in past years. Saw Rochester just get by St. John Fisher; Wash U losing again, NYU struggling. Wonder if their SoS will be as strong?
Preface this with, perhaps you're correct, although a few notes.. plenty of faults with Massey, although UAA is #2 conference in SOS behind NESCAC. Looking at the individual opponents/ out of conference schedules also supports that. Five teams have gotten off to a good start, with 3 underperforming (so far). NYU may be the largest dissapointment although playing three non-conf AWAY games at Montclair, Stevens, and Wesleyan can lead to difficult starts. If NYU played an easier non-conf schedule like many teams ranked in the top 20, they could be 4-1-1, and nobody would notice (one bad loss..). Emory and UR appear to have improved squads vs last year. Conference play in the UAA will again be the wild west with no easy outs.
SJF has long time rivalries in that area, tied RIT last week, and rivalry games rarely play as expected. Also, SJF has played the #5 most difficult schedule in the country thus far (albeit Massey). The SJF v UR game was 2-0 until UR had a silly foul with 5 min remaining when both squads had quite a few freshman/ non-starters on the field.
Chicago, CWRU, Rochester play Calvin, Dennison, Stevens coming up... quite strong. Comments welcome.
Quote from: Recon on September 21, 2023, 01:18:46 PM
Preface this with, perhaps you're correct, although a few notes.. plenty of faults with Massey, although UAA is #2 conference in SOS behind NESCAC. Looking at the individual opponents/ out of conference schedules also supports that. Five teams have gotten off to a good start, with 3 underperforming (so far). NYU may be the largest dissapointment although playing three non-conf AWAY games at Montclair, Stevens, and Wesleyan can lead to difficult starts. If NYU played an easier non-conf schedule like many teams ranked in the top 20, they could be 4-1-1, and nobody would notice (one bad loss..). Emory and UR appear to have improved squads vs last year. Conference play in the UAA will again be the wild west with no easy outs.
SJF has long time rivalries in that area, tied RIT last week, and rivalry games rarely play as expected. Also, SJF has played the #5 most difficult schedule in the country thus far (albeit Massey). The SJF v UR game was 2-0 until UR had a silly foul with 5 min remaining when both squads had quite a few freshman/ non-starters on the field.
Chicago, CWRU, Rochester play Calvin, Dennison, Stevens coming up... quite strong. Comments welcome.
The UAA is going to be absolutely fine. Brandeis being down the last 2-3 years has been a surprise...and I don't love CMU, but otherwise I think they're looking good. I left out Wash U who I can never get a handle on.
Agree on CMU.. and a bit of an unknown. vs JCU, CMU gave up a goal in the 4th minute (after a long rain delay), but then played a bit more even and JCU keeper saved a penalty in 2nd half. it's another one of these early season games that if the score were 1-1 and CMU was 5-0-2, perceptions out there on CMU may be different, I don't know... I've only watched 2 of their games. of course, performing in tougher games is important too.
Quote from: PaulNewman on September 21, 2023, 01:44:54 PM
The UAA is going to be absolutely fine. Brandeis being down the last 2-3 years has been a surprise...and I don't love CMU, but otherwise I think they're looking good. I left out Wash U who I can never get a handle on.
From 2012-17 they were varying levels of Sweet 16 or better. 2018 was a down year (below .500), the next year was a bit of a resurgence but missed out on the tournament (still salty over the fluky loss to UR, who also had five losses, but they earned their bid in the end with better results against big teams). I liked signs of what I saw last year and the year before, even if the final product was lacking. I watched part of the (first attempt at a) Vassar game and the two goals given away stemmed from mishandled passes 10 seconds apart. They are random events but when they're happening multiple times per game that is a problem.
The margins are fine in soccer, even D3, and I think several recruiting coups over the years (Lynch/Savonen/J. Ocel) as well as a cadre of D1 transfers (Soboff/Sam Vinson) might have had more influence in the team success than realized. The DeNight kid came in as a freshman relatively unknown, scored a bunch of goals, and was UAA Rookie of the Year, then left for Columbia post-COVID; Elias Norris was also a solid player that went to GW. D1 giveth and it taketh. Either way, I am also surprised that they haven't been near the top of the region, let alone nationally, in the greater part of a decade.
It's important to remember that Margolis (now HC) was largely influential in the Judges' resurgence, his predecessor would have told you as much, and took his first team to the Final 4, so I still have confidence that they can come good sooner rather than later, but it'll start with getting the right talent.
I don't know if it makes sense to revive this thread, but I also don't think I should be the one to start a new UAA thread (which really needs to be done without a year limitation)
Rochester posted its 2024 Roster (https://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster)
A few observations:
- 32 on the roster, which is the same as last year
- Rochester has an embarrassment of experience at GK. GK Santino Lupica-Tondo, who has been a lock-in starter for the last three years, returns for a COVID year as a grad student. However, Ben Ziegler, who was a regular starter at Hamilton in '21 and '22, but only played 1 game in '23 as team captain (perhaps due to injury?), has also come to Rochester as a grad student. They also have a third keeper who is a senior, even though he has played very little. With new coach Ben Cross coming in off stints as a an asst coach for the first team at Columbus Crew and FC Dallas, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an open competition, with some playing time for Salvador Castaneda from Austin, Texas as well to get him ready to take over next year
- In addition to Ziegler, Rochester picked up a couple of other transfers.
- Kamuleeden Ibrahim is a grad transfer forward from Skidmore, where he was first team all Liberty League and All Region in 2022 when he scored 15 goals. Only saw action in 3 games in 2023 (injury?)
- Tomas White is a grad transfer midfielder from DI Presbyterian, where he played 14 games and started 6 last year
- 7 freshman. With 10 seniors or graduate students on the roster, that gives Cross some ability to shape his team pretty substantially next recruiting class
Quote from: Kuiper on July 31, 2024, 02:08:59 PM(which really needs to be done without a year limitation)
The norm for the boards used to be season-specific threads and hence the date. But as activity had dropped, it might make sense for a major overhaul of threads.
Ziegler has two years of eligibility after red-shirting last fall.
University of Chicago has posted its 2024 Roster (https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mens-soccer/roster)
A few observations:
- 35 on the roster, compared with 31 last year
- They lose some important players from last year, including starting GK Will Boyes (although he's now an assistant coach in charge of GKs) and leading scorer and assist man Ryan Yetishefsky, plus some experienced defensive depth in Lucas Gen, Nathan Moonesinghe, and Maina Ngobia.
- One big returning player is Robbie Pino, who was second on the team in goals and assists last year as a senior and comes back as a grad student for a Covid year. Alex Lee is also back after not playing in the 2023 season.
- One very inexperienced position will be GK. Boyes was a steady, if not spectacular, GK who played just about every available minute his last two years, and the minutes he didn't play went to his fellow '24 grad Nate Drew. As a result, none of the GK options have played in college. Presumably, junior Gabriel Diaz (or maybe even senior Dhirpal Shah) will play, but it's possible it could be an open competition with the two incoming freshman, especially since Coach Philip Kroft recruited them and was not around for the recruitment of the two older keepers.
- Speaking of freshman, there are 10 on the roster, including the two GKs
- There are also two DI grad transfers, both of whom might be candidates to help to fill the gap left by Yetishefsky's departure. Alex Salvino is a 6'3" forward from Notre Dame and Julius Rauch is a 6'2" forward from Syracuse (and before that a member of the U19 and U23 teams at Borussia Dortmund Academy).
- I found it interesting that Kroft has replaced his lead assistant coach, Michael Mauro, who was a hold-over from the previous head coaches, with his own staff. Jack Curtain has a good amount of experience and Gustav Ericsson has local and int'l connections as well as DIII experience. Ericsson comes over after serving as a grad assistant last season at his alma mater North Park, where he played in the 2017 national finals, transferred to DI University of San Diego, and then returned to North Park and was a second team USC All-American as a senior in 2021. He might provide a little bit of a Swedish connection for recruiting should Kroft want to look in that direction.
Quote from: Kuiper on August 09, 2024, 01:12:24 PM- I found it interesting that Kroft has replaced his lead assistant coach, Michael Mauro, who was a hold-over from the previous head coaches, with his own staff. Jack Curtain has a good amount of experience and Gustav Ericsson has local and int'l connections as well as DIII experience. Ericsson comes over after serving as a grad assistant last season at his alma mater North Park, where he played in the 2017 national finals, transferred to DI University of San Diego, and then returned to North Park and was a second team USC All-American as a senior in 2021. He might provide a little bit of a Swedish connection for recruiting should Kroft want to look in that direction.
I would add that Gustav's presence on the other side will bring some extra spice to the annual cross-town rivalry match when North Park travels down to 56th and Cottage Grove on October 16 to square off against the Maroons, but the word "spice" doesn't belong anywhere in a discussion involving a Swede. ;)