I would like to see what each member feels the game of the week will be so we can watch and enjoy it from a differ point of view. Not necessarily a top 25 matchup but maybe a cross town rivalry game for example the CODE red game W & L v Lynchburg or the marsh mellow game E-town v Messiah.
Games between Monday, October 10 to Sunday, October 16. Tell us the game and the reason we should watch.
My game to watch this week is Tuesday October 11 Western Connecticut at Drew, if Western wins this game it will make Western Connecticut prove this team is a contender for top 25 and NCAA tournament bid from the LEC.
@GregorySager will probably nominate this one, but just in case, the North Park (10-1) at North Central (10-0-3) game on Wednesday 10/12 is certainly one to watch from the North. Not only is it a battle for supremacy in the CCIW, but it's basically North Central's chance to make its case for national attention in the rankings. Plus, the two schools are only about 30 miles away from each other and so it's a chance for bragging rights and possibly a battle between a few kids who may have played against each other growing up (and not just in Chicago, since both schools have kids from Norway and Sweden).
Thanks will definitely be interested in that game. It most likely will have '23 recruits interested in attending these schools watching as well.
Williams v Wesleyan will be a hot contest.
A lot of good matchups! And I am sure I missed some as well!
Gustavus-Adolphus vs Augsburg
Gettysburg vs Mary Wash
Dension vs Wabash
Catholic vs Wash College
Western Conn vs Drew
Lycoming vs Misericordia
UW-Platteville vs Luther
North Park vs North Central
Montclair vs Newark
Babson vs Conn College
CMU vs Chicago
Vassar vs Clarkson
Colorado vs Southwestern
Stevens vs Lycoming
Hamilton vs Bowdoin
Williams vs Wesleyan
St. Olaf vs Gustavus Adholphus
Newark vs Camden
ONU vs John Carroll
CNU vs St. Marys
NYU vs UR
CWRU vs Chicago
Quote from: camosfan on October 10, 2022, 09:46:45 AM
Williams v Wesleyan will be a hot contest.
Game time is Saturday October 15 at 3
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 10:05:42 AM
A lot of good matchups! And I am sure I missed some as well!
Gustavus-Adolphus vs Augsburg
Gettysburg vs Mary Wash
Dension vs Wabash
Catholic vs Wash College
Western Conn vs Drew
Lycoming vs Misericordia
UW-Platteville vs Luther
North Park vs North Central
Montclair vs Newark
Babson vs Conn College
CMU vs Chicago
Vassar vs Clarkson
Colorado vs Southwestern
Stevens vs Lycoming
Hamilton vs Bowdoin
Williams vs Wesleyan
St. Olaf vs Gustavus Adholphus
Newark vs Camden
ONU vs John Carroll
CNU vs St. Marys
NYU vs UR
CWRU vs Chicago
If you had to pick one for the week which one would it be and why? Add the game time and date. Just trying to gain interest in D3 soccer. No one will be able to catch all these games.
Quote from: Kuiper on October 09, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
@GregorySager will probably nominate this one, but just in case, the North Park (10-1) at North Central (10-0-3) game on Wednesday 10/12 is certainly one to watch from the North. Not only is it a battle for supremacy in the CCIW, but it's basically North Central's chance to make its case for national attention in the rankings. Plus, the two schools are only about 30 miles away from each other and so it's a chance for bragging rights and possibly a battle between a few kids who may have played against each other growing up (and not just in Chicago, since both schools have kids from Norway and Sweden).
My impression is that NCC coach Enzo Fuschino is moving away from recruiting Scandinavians, realizing that North Central, like Augustana and Millikin, isn't able to get the pick of the litter from Sweden and Norway because North Park has a stranglehold on those two recruiting areas. Of NCC's three Scandinavians, senior Lukas Munchhausen was a regular starter as a freshman, but he hasn't started since; Herman Hesby, who was a starter last season, has only played in one game this year (he might be hurt, though); and William Hall, who played in ten games last season and started two, hasn't set foot on the pitch during live action at all this season.
Fuschino didn't bring in a single Scandinavian this year. Instead, he's turned to his native Italy, where he probably still has some good connections even though he's been in the States now for decades. He brought in four Italian freshmen this year, and two of them -- Jacopo De Collibus and Edoardo Bonifacio -- are starting, while a third, Matteo Innocenti, has played in every game and is averaging about 30 minutes per game off of the bench.
This game will most likely determine the CCIW championship; it will almost certainly decide who gets the #1 seed in the CCIW tournament, since even if the winner trips up and takes a loss subsequent to Wednesday, it will still enjoy the head-to-head advantage over Wednesday's loser. NPU has the most talent between the two teams, but NCC has two All-Americans in GK Sid Marquardt and CB Johnny Kraemer that make it very difficult to score against the Cardinals. NCC's defense can definitely be an equalizer against outstanding opponents; the catch is that Fuschino really doesn't schedule outstanding opponents, although the Cardinals have played three or four good ones and emerged with a result in each instance. North Park is the one outstanding opponent he can't duck before the postseason.
North Park realizes that the Cardinals are the biggest obstacle to claiming a fifth straight CCIW championship for the Vikings; North Central realizes that this is its chance to finally take down the neighborhood bully and become king of the hill for the first time since 1994. It should be a terrific game on Wednesday in Naperville.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2022, 11:20:23 AM
Quote from: Kuiper on October 09, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
@GregorySager will probably nominate this one, but just in case, the North Park (10-1) at North Central (10-0-3) game on Wednesday 10/12 is certainly one to watch from the North. Not only is it a battle for supremacy in the CCIW, but it's basically North Central's chance to make its case for national attention in the rankings. Plus, the two schools are only about 30 miles away from each other and so it's a chance for bragging rights and possibly a battle between a few kids who may have played against each other growing up (and not just in Chicago, since both schools have kids from Norway and Sweden).
My impression is that NCC coach Enzo Fuschino is moving away from recruiting Scandinavians, realizing that North Central, like Augustana and Millikin, isn't able to get the pick of the litter from Sweden and Norway because North Park has a stranglehold on those two recruiting areas. Of NCC's three Scandinavians, senior Lukas Munchhausen was a regular starter as a freshman, but he hasn't started since; Herman Hesby, who was a starter last season, has only played in one game this year (he might be hurt, though); and William Hall, who played in ten games last season and started two, hasn't set foot on the pitch during live action at all this season.
Fuschino didn't bring in a single Scandinavian this year. Instead, he's turned to his native Italy, where he probably still has some good connections even though he's been in the States now for decades. He brought in four Italian freshmen this year, and two of them -- Jacopo De Collibus and Edoardo Bonifacio -- are starting, while a third, Matteo Innocenti, has played in every game and is averaging about 30 minutes per game off of the bench.
This game will most likely determine the CCIW championship; it will almost certainly decide who gets the #1 seed in the CCIW tournament, since even if the winner trips up and takes a loss subsequent to Wednesday, it will still enjoy the head-to-head advantage over Wednesday's loser. NPU has the most talent between the two teams, but NCC has two All-Americans in GK Sid Marquardt and CB Johnny Kraemer that make it very difficult to score against the Cardinals. NCC's defense can definitely be an equalizer against outstanding opponents; the catch is that Fuschino really doesn't schedule outstanding opponents, although the Cardinals have played three or four good ones and emerged with a result in each instance. North Park is the one outstanding opponent he can't duck before the postseason.
North Park realizes that the Cardinals are the biggest obstacle to claiming a fifth straight CCIW championship for the Vikings; North Central realizes that this is its chance to finally take down the neighborhood bully and become king of the hill for the first time since 1994. It should be a terrific game on Wednesday in Naperville.
That information makes this game even more interesting to me. Thanks
Coach Jeff, could you tell us all a bit about your background, team affiliations, whether you're really a Coach or not, etc?
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 10, 2022, 10:45:42 AM
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 10:05:42 AM
A lot of good matchups! And I am sure I missed some as well!
Gustavus-Adolphus vs Augsburg
Gettysburg vs Mary Wash
Dension vs Wabash
Catholic vs Wash College
Western Conn vs Drew
Lycoming vs Misericordia
UW-Platteville vs Luther
North Park vs North Central
Montclair vs Newark
Babson vs Conn College
CMU vs Chicago
Vassar vs Clarkson
Colorado vs Southwestern
Stevens vs Lycoming
Hamilton vs Bowdoin
Williams vs Wesleyan
St. Olaf vs Gustavus Adholphus
Newark vs Camden
ONU vs John Carroll
CNU vs St. Marys
NYU vs UR
CWRU vs Chicago
If you had to pick one for the week which one would it be and why? Add the game time and date. Just trying to gain interest in D3 soccer. No one will be able to catch all these games.
That's a tough one...I'll go by day to narrow it down
TuesdayUW-Platteville vs LutherBoth leading their respective conferences and both teams a little unknown (at least to me). Can UWP compete with CNU in conference and steal a bid or is the record inflated by an average SOS? UWP with 8 straight wins and haven't lost in their last 10. Both losses were opening weekend against 2 strong teams in MSOE and UW-EC.
Luther more recently has been successful and an NCAA tournament team. Battled Chicago to the end earlier in the year and held a 1-0 lead at halftime of the game before losing 2-1 in the 88th minute. Shots were dead even in this game and Luther held an advantage on corners 7-5. This has probably been Chicago's most difficult game of the year given the circumstances (although some would argue Calvin or NP too).
Should be a fun game to watch!
Wednesday North Park vs North Central North Park with another strong start to the year and their only blemish is a loss to #1 Chicago. North Central still undefeated and this is a battle for the top seed in the CCIW. North Central has been the thorn in North Park's side the last 4 or 5 years and it has grown into a nice rivalry. Excited to tune into this one!
FridayCMU vs ChicagoBig conference matchup and will show how "real" CMU is this year.
SaturdayHamilton vs BowdoinMassive game in the NESCAC. Hamilton still without a loss but coming off back to back ties against 2 teams near the bottom of the league. Will they bounce back or continue to drop points? For Bowdoin, a win could put them in the driver seat for a playoff spot. Coming off a nice result by drawing at Amherst-can they keep the momentum going? They finish with Tufts and won't want to bank on needing points in that game to get into the conference playoffs.
SundayNYU vs RochesterMake or break game for both these teams. A win here keeps them alive in conference and for an at-large bid, but a loss may very well end the NCAA tournament hopes.
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 10, 2022, 12:31:39 PM
Coach Jeff, could you tell us all a bit about your background, team affiliations, whether you're really a Coach or not, etc?
Sure thing I am 52 and I played on the team and graduated from Geneva College '92(NAIA at the time) with a degree in secondary Mathematics. Coached Soccer at all levels. Two different high schools in PA and Club teams. I also was a coach at Susquehanna University for 7 years in the late 90's. During this time I have had many opportunities to coach at college soccer camps for instance Susquehanna, Messiah and the Naval Academy. Over the years I have worked with many great coaches during these camps. My 4 sons have had been coached at the camps by Coach Dave Brandt, Coach Brad McCarty, Coach Brett Faro, Coach Derek Potteiger, Coach Mike Dreeves, Coach Gary Dunda, Coach Jake DeClute, Coach Roger Mast and many more. I have learned a lot from these coaches and enjoy the opportunity D3 soccer has given my two oldest sons. Trevor Leitzel played for 2 season at Grove City and my second son Stefan is currently playing for the Messiah Falcons. If you would like to know any other information please ask. Hope this is helpful.
Did you ever work at Wagner's "ID 500" ,best camp I ever took my kids?
No but my sons were both recruited by his replacement Coach Jeremy Payne who is now at Whitworth in Washington.
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 01:20:31 PM
Wednesday
North Park vs North Central
North Park with another strong start to the year and their only blemish is a loss to #1 Chicago. North Central still undefeated and this is a battle for the top seed in the CCIW. North Central has been the thorn in North Park's side the last 4 or 5 years and it has grown into a nice rivalry. Excited to tune into this one!
Actually, North Central
hasn't "been the thorn in North Park's side the last four or five years." NPU has beaten NCC the last six times that they've met (including the CCIW tourney), outscoring the Cardinals 19-5 over that stretch. North Central's last win over the Vikings was back in 2015.
Perhaps you meant it the other way around. It's not uncommon for non-CCIW folks to mix up the league's two schools with "North" in their names.
I can't speak for North Central, but for North Park it's not
the big soccer rivalry. That is, and will most likely always be, Wheaton, both because Wheaton has been the
bête noire of the Vikings on the soccer pitch since North Park inaugurated varsity men's soccer back in 1981, and because Wheaton is North Park's traditional rival in
everything (whether Wheaton knows it or not ;)). And the NPU/Carthage rivalry has been a fierce and chippy one over the years as well. But I can definitely see an NPU/NCC rivalry blooming, because Enzo Fuschino has rebuilt what is now a very solid program out there in the western suburbs that had long been moribund. He basically built up UW-Platteville (his last coaching stop prior to North Central) out of nothing as well. Right now, with Wheaton and Carthage both struggling to find their footing again (each hired a former D1 head coach within the past year with that in mind), North Central has emerged as NPU's main challenger for CCIW hegemony.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 10, 2022, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 10, 2022, 12:31:39 PM
Coach Jeff, could you tell us all a bit about your background, team affiliations, whether you're really a Coach or not, etc?
Sure thing I am 52 and I played on the team and graduated from Geneva College '92(NAIA at the time) with a degree in secondary Mathematics. Coached Soccer at all levels. Two different high schools in PA and Club teams. I also was a coach at Susquehanna University for 7 years in the late 90's. During this time I have had many opportunities to coach at college soccer camps for instance Susquehanna, Messiah and the Naval Academy. Over the years I have worked with many great coaches during these camps. My 4 sons have had been coached at the camps by Coach Dave Brandt, Coach Brad McCarty, Coach Brett Faro, Coach Derek Potteiger, Coach Mike Dreeves, Coach Gary Dunda, Coach Jake DeClute, Coach Roger Mast and many more. I have learned a lot from these coaches and enjoy the opportunity D3 soccer has given my two oldest sons. Trevor Leitzel played for 2 season at Grove City and my second son Stefan is currently playing for the Messiah Falcons. If you would like to know any other information please ask. Hope this is helpful.
Thank you and welcome, coach. When someone brand new comes in kind of hot that often raises the specter of trolling, so glad to hear that is not the case. And congrats to your son for being on one of the two best teams in the country.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2022, 02:21:57 PM
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 01:20:31 PM
Wednesday
North Park vs North Central
North Park with another strong start to the year and their only blemish is a loss to #1 Chicago. North Central still undefeated and this is a battle for the top seed in the CCIW. North Central has been the thorn in North Park's side the last 4 or 5 years and it has grown into a nice rivalry. Excited to tune into this one!
Actually, North Central hasn't "been the thorn in North Park's side the last four or five years." NPU has beaten NCC the last six times that they've met (including the CCIW tourney), outscoring the Cardinals 19-5 over that stretch. North Central's last win over the Vikings was back in 2015.
Perhaps you meant it the other way around. It's not uncommon for non-CCIW folks to mix up the league's two schools with "North" in their names.
I can't speak for North Central, but for North Park it's not the big soccer rivalry. That is, and will most likely always be, Wheaton, both because Wheaton has been the bête noire of the Vikings on the soccer pitch since North Park inaugurated varsity men's soccer back in 1981, and because Wheaton is North Park's traditional rival in everything (whether Wheaton knows it or not ;)). And the NPU/Carthage rivalry has been a fierce and chippy one over the years as well. But I can definitely see an NPU/NCC rivalry blooming, because Enzo Fuschino has rebuilt what is now a very solid program out there in the western suburbs that had long been moribund. He basically built up UW-Platteville (his last coaching stop prior to North Central) out of nothing as well. Right now, with Wheaton and Carthage both struggling to find their footing again (each hired a former D1 head coach within the past year with that in mind), North Central has emerged as NPU's main challenger for CCIW hegemony.
No mix up but just meant it in a different way. More so that North Park would easily coast if North Central wasn't as competitive over the last few years. They have made it a challenge and agreed that Wheaton is the historical rival. But they haven't been relevant really since 2015 correct? Carthage had a year here or there but over the last few it's been all North Park with North Central challenging. Does that make more sense of my angle? I might still be off base ;D
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 02:38:05 PM
No mix up but just meant it in a different way. More so that North Park would easily coast if North Central wasn't as competitive over the last few years. They have made it a challenge
I think it's overstating it to call North Central "the thorn in North Park's side," because that phrase implies that NCC has dealt NPU a setback or two, and that hasn't been the case.
I certainly agree that the Cardinals have proved to be a challenge for the Vikings the last two times that they met, because in both cases the Vikings only won by a goal. That's a reflection of the excellence of the North Central defense led by All-Americans Marquardt and Kraemer, of which I spoke earlier. But it's also the case that NCC only put five shots on goal against North Park in those two games combined, and one of them was a penalty kick. IOW, NPU proved to be more than up to the challenge both times.
Prior to those two contests, the third most recent contest between the Vikings and Cardinals was the 2018 CCIW tourney semifinal in which the Vikings annihilated NCC to the tune of 6-2. North Central's second goal in that game came in the 86th minute against NPU's reserves.
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 02:38:05 PMand agreed that Wheaton is the historical rival. But they haven't been relevant really since 2015 correct?
No, in fact,
Wheaton was a thorn in North Park's side last season, beating the Vikings in overtime at Hedstrand Field in the 2021 CCIW tourney semifinal round after the Vikings had completely dominated Wheaton in their regular-season meeting at Joe Bean Stadium out in the 'burbs.
Wheaton fell off from its usual high standards during Jake DeClute's tenure as head coach (John Gosling was interim head coach last year when Wheaton pulled off that postseason upset in Chicago), but even a down Wheaton team is still a dangerous Wheaton team. That will very much be the attitude that the Vikings take on October 22 when the two teams meet in Chicago (aside from the fact that it's a rivalry game, with the usual throw-out-the-standings atmosphere you get from rivalry games).
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 02:38:05 PMCarthage had a year here or there but over the last few it's been all North Park with North Central challenging.
Not really, because, again,
Carthage proved to be the thorn in North Park's side in 2018 when the then-Redmen scored a pair of late goals against the run of play to upset NPU 3-2 in the CCIW championship game in Chicago. That outcome also ran counter to the earlier regular-season contest, which had been a routine 3-0 romp in North Park's favor. That CCIW tourney loss kept North Park out of the D3 tournament, the only time that the Vikings have missed the dance since they began their current run of CCIW dominance that has also seem them emerge on the national scene.
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 02:38:05 PMDoes that make more sense of my angle? I might still be off base ;D
Yes, it does make more sense, but ... yes, you're still off-base. ;) That's OK, though. If it makes you feel any better, I'm nervous about typing this stuff up and clicking POST, because it's making me wonder if I'm giving the Cardinals locker-room bulletin board material. :-\
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 01:20:31 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 10, 2022, 10:45:42 AM
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2022, 10:05:42 AM
A lot of good matchups! And I am sure I missed some as well!
Gustavus-Adolphus vs Augsburg
Gettysburg vs Mary Wash
Dension vs Wabash
Catholic vs Wash College
Western Conn vs Drew
Lycoming vs Misericordia
UW-Platteville vs Luther
North Park vs North Central
Montclair vs Newark
Babson vs Conn College
CMU vs Chicago
Vassar vs Clarkson
Colorado vs Southwestern
Stevens vs Lycoming
Hamilton vs Bowdoin
Williams vs Wesleyan
St. Olaf vs Gustavus Adholphus
Newark vs Camden
ONU vs John Carroll
CNU vs St. Marys
NYU vs UR
CWRU vs Chicago
If you had to pick one for the week which one would it be and why? Add the game time and date. Just trying to gain interest in D3 soccer. No one will be able to catch all these games.
That's a tough one...I'll go by day to narrow it down
Tuesday
UW-Platteville vs Luther
Both leading their respective conferences and both teams a little unknown (at least to me). Can UWP compete with CNU in conference and steal a bid or is the record inflated by an average SOS? UWP with 8 straight wins and haven't lost in their last 10. Both losses were opening weekend against 2 strong teams in MSOE and UW-EC.
Luther more recently has been successful and an NCAA tournament team. Battled Chicago to the end earlier in the year and held a 1-0 lead at halftime of the game before losing 2-1 in the 88th minute. Shots were dead even in this game and Luther held an advantage on corners 7-5. This has probably been Chicago's most difficult game of the year given the circumstances (although some would argue Calvin or NP too).
Should be a fun game to watch!
Wednesday
North Park vs North Central
North Park with another strong start to the year and their only blemish is a loss to #1 Chicago. North Central still undefeated and this is a battle for the top seed in the CCIW. North Central has been the thorn in North Park's side the last 4 or 5 years and it has grown into a nice rivalry. Excited to tune into this one!
Friday
CMU vs Chicago
Big conference matchup and will show how "real" CMU is this year.
Saturday
Hamilton vs Bowdoin
Massive game in the NESCAC. Hamilton still without a loss but coming off back to back ties against 2 teams near the bottom of the league. Will they bounce back or continue to drop points? For Bowdoin, a win could put them in the driver seat for a playoff spot. Coming off a nice result by drawing at Amherst-can they keep the momentum going? They finish with Tufts and won't want to bank on needing points in that game to get into the conference playoffs.
Sunday
NYU vs Rochester
Make or break game for both these teams. A win here keeps them alive in conference and for an at-large bid, but a loss may very well end the NCAA tournament hopes.
Like your Sunday pick but I bet RU will have the PAYWALL up. Guess who is not paying to watch them play.
UWP v Luther ended 3-1 yesterday. I noticed that UWP had 8 shots on goal compared to only 5 for Luther. Was it an even match or was it more one sided? I heard that UWP scored 2 goals in a minute of play. Just wondering about the match as a whole.
I saw the last four-minute scramble of UWP @ Luther. It didn't tell me anything about the flow of the game, but it reminded me how much I like Luther's stadium ... and how much I dislike their field-level camera.
Tonight nights game chosen by you to watch is North Park v North Central. Game time is at 8:30 and there is no PAYWALL ;D
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 12, 2022, 12:25:41 PM
Tonight nights game chosen by you to watch is North Park v North Central. Game time is at 8:30 and there is no PAYWALL ;D
Not sure if I'm reading this correctly. Chosen by you for us? Chosen by the group here? Regardless, should be a good one.
Did anyone mention the Conn College v Babson tonight at 7 pm?
Quote from: camosfan on October 12, 2022, 03:12:28 PM
Did anyone mention the Conn College v Babson tonight at 7 pm?
Very interesting game, big one for CT College. However, if I remember correctly, the camera position makes CT College games hard on the eyes.
Thanks to Mid-Atlantic fan for suggesting we watch North Park v North Central. A very good match with two very disciplined teams. Both played quality soccer and worked hard from the starting whistle. The goal of the match was the 27 yard direct kick by North Park's Christian Vaaland. He could not have struck it any better. A 2-2 draw was a fitting end to this game. Great game! Hopefully we will get to see the rematch in the CCIW Conference playoffs.
Wish I could've seen it. :( I had to call a women's volleyball match in the NPU gym, so I missed it completely.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 09, 2022, 11:17:48 PM
I would like to see what each member feels the game of the week will be so we can watch and enjoy it from a differ point of view. Not necessarily a top 25 matchup but maybe a cross town rivalry game for example the CODE red game W & L v Lynchburg or the marsh mellow game E-town v Messiah.
Games between Monday, October 10 to Sunday, October 16. Tell us the game and the reason we should watch.
My game to watch this week is Tuesday October 11 Western Connecticut at Drew, if Western wins this game it will make Western Connecticut prove this team is a contender for top 25 and NCAA tournament bid from the LEC.
If you missed the Western Connecticut v Drew game here was a few notes from the game. Drew scored early in the match off a direct kick and lead the game for about 80 minutes when Western Connecticut found an equalizer. The wolves out shot Drew 17-6 in the match and lead in corners 6-2. One interesting side note I found was that the Wolves actually played 3 different goalies during the game. Silva, Benson and Figueiredo each played about 1/3 of the contest. It did not appear as if there were any injuries. It just seemed odd to me at this late in the season to be using 3 different keepers. Does anyone have any information about the use of the goalies?
I have info:
That's really REALLY weird.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 13, 2022, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 09, 2022, 11:17:48 PM
I would like to see what each member feels the game of the week will be so we can watch and enjoy it from a differ point of view. Not necessarily a top 25 matchup but maybe a cross town rivalry game for example the CODE red game W & L v Lynchburg or the marsh mellow game E-town v Messiah.
Games between Monday, October 10 to Sunday, October 16. Tell us the game and the reason we should watch.
My game to watch this week is Tuesday October 11 Western Connecticut at Drew, if Western wins this game it will make Western Connecticut prove this team is a contender for top 25 and NCAA tournament bid from the LEC.
If you missed the Western Connecticut v Drew game here was a few notes from the game. Drew scored early in the match off a direct kick and lead the game for about 80 minutes when Western Connecticut found an equalizer. The wolves out shot Drew 17-6 in the match and lead in corners 6-2. One interesting side note I found was that the Wolves actually played 3 different goalies during the game. Silva, Benson and Figueiredo each played about 1/3 of the contest. It did not appear as if there were any injuries. It just seemed odd to me at this late in the season to be using 3 different keepers. Does anyone have any information about the use of the goalies?
I don't follow the program, but a quick look at the playing stats for the three goalkeepers indicates that this is not that uncommon. Benson, a freshman, appears to be the starter and has played in 14 games, starting 11. Silva and Figueiredo, a sophomore and junior, respectively, have played in 7 games, each getting 2 starts, and getting minutes in the second half in the other 5 they have played, respectively. It isn't only the blowout games they've played in either. They've played in several tight games, including all three playing in the last two, a 1-0 win and a 1-1 tie. One possibility is the freshman has started to wear down during the season, probably mentally more than anything, and the coach wants to ease up on the throttle on him and maybe give others a chance to shine too.
Frankly, I wish more coaches treated their goalkeepers this way when they have several good goalkeepers. They appear to have 3 decent ones, although Benson is significantly taller than other two (6'3" v. 5'8" and 5'11"). There is this notion that you can't switch GKs during the game (and some would say during the season), but there's no real research on that point that goes beyond the merely anecdotal. Many coaches rely upon one-off experiences where GKs are brought in late in the game along with a bunch of other subs that cause a team to relax or that lowers their quality substantially and the coaches blame a goal on the keeper rather than on the bad coaching decision to empty the bench instead of working kids in one at a time throughout a game or on not giving the backup GK adequate warmup time. There is a potential confidence issue caused by pulling GKs for mistakes or after bad games (although some coaches would say it breeds competition and sharpens everyone), but this doesn't seem like that is what is going on here. In the Drew game, Benson gave up a goal in the 8th minute and wasn't pulled until the 35th, so it wasn't like he was pulled for the goal (although I didn't see the game and it's possible he made distribution mistakes or got lucky not to concede and it was about performance). In any event, even if a GK is pulled for performance, it's nice to see a coach go back to them the next game rather than "riding the hot hand," which means the other GKs have to wait for the first GK to fail before they get their chance. Plus, if you rotate frequently, the field players see it as normal, they are used to them, the GKs are sharp when called upon, and it might even have the benefit of giving the opponent a different look if, for instance, one GK has a different distribution style or on coming out for 1 v1s and crosses. The alternative is that GKs sometimes have to wait 3 years before they get their chance.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 12, 2022, 10:43:05 PM
Thanks to Mid-Atlantic fan for suggesting we watch North Park v North Central. A very good match with two very disciplined teams. Both played quality soccer and worked hard from the starting whistle. The goal of the match was the 27 yard direct kick by North Park's Christian Vaaland. He could not have struck it any better. A 2-2 draw was a fitting end to this game. Great game! Hopefully we will get to see the rematch in the CCIW Conference playoffs.
That was indeed a very entertaining game with a good broadcaster and commentary to boot. I was impressed with NCU.
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Did anyone mention the Conn College v Babson tonight at 7 pm?
Very interesting game, big one for CT College. However, if I remember correctly, the camera position makes CT College games hard on the eyes.
I'll say!! It is not worth watching the game!
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Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 12, 2022, 10:43:05 PM
Thanks to Mid-Atlantic fan for suggesting we watch North Park v North Central. A very good match with two very disciplined teams. Both played quality soccer and worked hard from the starting whistle. The goal of the match was the 27 yard direct kick by North Park's Christian Vaaland. He could not have struck it any better. A 2-2 draw was a fitting end to this game. Great game! Hopefully we will get to see the rematch in the CCIW Conference playoffs.
That was indeed a very entertaining game with a good broadcaster and commentary to boot. I was impressed with NCU.
NCC, you mean. North Central College (NCC) is the CCIW school in Illinois; North Central University (NCU) is the UMAC school in Minnesota.
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on October 13, 2022, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 12, 2022, 10:43:05 PM
Thanks to Mid-Atlantic fan for suggesting we watch North Park v North Central. A very good match with two very disciplined teams. Both played quality soccer and worked hard from the starting whistle. The goal of the match was the 27 yard direct kick by North Park's Christian Vaaland. He could not have struck it any better. A 2-2 draw was a fitting end to this game. Great game! Hopefully we will get to see the rematch in the CCIW Conference playoffs.
That was indeed a very entertaining game with a good broadcaster and commentary to boot. I was impressed with NCU.
I was also impressed with NCC. North Park possession did not bother them and they stuck to their game plan. Will be interesting to see what the Polls say this week.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 13, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 13, 2022, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on October 13, 2022, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 12, 2022, 10:43:05 PM
Thanks to Mid-Atlantic fan for suggesting we watch North Park v North Central. A very good match with two very disciplined teams. Both played quality soccer and worked hard from the starting whistle. The goal of the match was the 27 yard direct kick by North Park's Christian Vaaland. He could not have struck it any better. A 2-2 draw was a fitting end to this game. Great game! Hopefully we will get to see the rematch in the CCIW Conference playoffs.
That was indeed a very entertaining game with a good broadcaster and commentary to boot. I was impressed with NCU.
I was also impressed with NCU. North Park possession did not bother them and they stuck to their game plan. Will be interesting to see what the Polls say this week.
See above. The school to which you're referring is NCC, not NCU (which is a completely different D3 school located in the Land of 10,000 Lakes).
This distinction might be deserving of a thread unto itself.
Not really. Duplicate school names in D3 are pretty commonplace. You just have to know which initials you're using (e.g., NCC vs. NCU), or else refer to the school by state -- for example, Wheaton (IL) vs. Wheaton (MA), Westminster (PA) vs. Westminster (MO), Concordia (IL) vs. Concordia (WI), Trinity (CT) vs. Trinity (TX), and so on.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 13, 2022, 01:55:54 PM
Not really. Duplicate school names in D3 are pretty commonplace. You just have to know which initials you're using (e.g., NCC vs. NCU), or else refer to the school by state -- for example, Wheaton (IL) vs. Wheaton (MA), Westminster (PA) vs. Westminster (MO), Concordia (IL) vs. Concordia (WI), Trinity (CT) vs. Trinity (TX), and so on.
Your forgot the Northwesterns!!! Both of which are in the...midwest. Yup, definitely worthy of a separate thread!
Only one of them is D3. If you post "Northwestern" on d3boards.com in a thread having to do with Region IX, there's no mistaking it for the Big Ten's Northwestern.
Again, as long as you're distinguishing between two schools in D3 by using abbreviations or state identifiers, it's not really an issue. In fact, it really only comes into play if you're talking about two schools within the same league that have identical names (the two Concordias in the NACC is the only example of that in D3), two identically-monikered schools that are good at the same sport (as the two Wheatons were in men's soccer for quite awhile), or two schools that have competitive overlap.
You can frequently pick up context from geography; on a board that deals with New England schools, you can easily get away with referring to the NESCAC school as "Trinity" without anyone confusing it with the Texas school of the same name. But Minnesota-based D3 schools and Illinois-based D3 schools play each other fairly frequently, so it's helpful to know the difference between North Central College in suburban Chicagoland and North Central University in the Twin Cities.
Not sure if any of the same name schools can beat the St. Joseph's in number, since there are 4 of them at the D3 level, and even more peculiar 2 of them are in the SKY conference and 2 more in the GNAC.
St. Joseph (Conn.) West Hartford, CT
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) Brooklyn, NY
St. Joseph's (L.I.) Patchogue, NY
St. Joseph's (Maine) Standish, ME
To return to the game of the week topic, NCC was a quiet surprise to me. They were dynamic in attack and with some better decision-making in the final third could have scored a couple more goals. Guys settled for 25 yard shots when they should have passed. North Park looked to have individual skill on the ball but weren't progressive enough in the attack, lots of negative balls, sometimes forgetting that possession isn't the point but rather scoring is the aim. Dangerous on set pieces though.
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on October 13, 2022, 02:56:46 PM
To return to the game of the week topic, NCC was a quiet surprise to me. They were dynamic in attack and with some better decision-making in the final third could have scored a couple more goals. Guys settled for 25 yard shots when they should have passed. North Park looked to have individual skill on the ball but weren't progressive enough in the attack, lots of negative balls, sometimes forgetting that possession isn't the point but rather scoring is the aim. Dangerous on set pieces though.
Totally agree with Mainesoccerfan. NCC played much better as a team and stuck to their game. I was glad I was able to watch this match and I also agree the announcers with knowledgeable and did their research on both teams.
Quote from: OldNed on October 13, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
Not sure if any of the same name schools can beat the St. Joseph's in number, since there are 4 of them at the D3 level, and even more peculiar 2 of them are in the SKY conference and 2 more in the GNAC.
St. Joseph (Conn.) West Hartford, CT
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) Brooklyn, NY
St. Joseph's (L.I.) Patchogue, NY
St. Joseph's (Maine) Standish, ME
Yep. Thanks for posting that. This quartet is a great example of the need to distinguish, not just because there's four of them (although the one in the Nutmeg State doesn't have a possessive in its name) but because of their close proximity. It's also the only private-school situation in D3 that comes to mind in which two branches of the same school are in the same league, within the same state, so initials don't work; as is the case with the WIAC and the D3 Penn State branch campuses you have to distinguish the two St. Joseph's University campuses in New York by location.
NPU has had a habit of falling in love with possession for possession's sake too often this season. I think that the Vikings have been a bit too concerned with wearing down their opponents in the back and the midfield by making them chase and switch, and they've been too willing to make pass after pass in the forward third patiently trying to attain the perfect shot when often the best course of action is to take a good shot and then swarm the goal waiting for spillage or a favorable defensive deflection.
When the Vikings have been at their offensive best (in the downpour at Ohio Northern or in the contests against St. Olaf and Wash U) they've been both creative and direct. But too often they've turned into mere keepaway artists. That attitude of excessive deliberation can bite a team when it takes on a better opponent.
I think there is more than one "Centenary" ?
Yes. There's Centenary University in Hackettstown, NJ, which plays in the CSAC; and Centenary College of Louisiana, located in Shreveport, which plays in the SCAC.
There's also Washington University of St. Louis (UAA) and Washington College, located in Maryland (Centennial); and then there's Wesleyan College, a women's college in Macon, GA that plays in the newly-minted College Conference of the South, and Wesleyan University, the NESCAC school in Middletown, CT.
Between the history of library discussion and now the duplicate names in D3... We're rounding into a really good Trivia Night session!
not too many Thursday game to focus on.
Game to watch tomorrow #17 CMU v #1 Chicago at 3pm
Quote from: OldNed on October 13, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
Not sure if any of the same name schools can beat the St. Joseph's in number, since there are 4 of them at the D3 level, and even more peculiar 2 of them are in the SKY conference and 2 more in the GNAC.
St. Joseph (Conn.) West Hartford, CT
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) Brooklyn, NY
St. Joseph's (L.I.) Patchogue, NY
St. Joseph's (Maine) Standish, ME
Don't forget the St. Francis of the world along with the Loyolas
Thought about them but they are mainly D1, except for the one in NY and the Loyolas seem D1 also.
I'll be watching the Hamilton v Bowdoin game in person tomorrow. I think that must be up there for game of the day tomorrow.
Almost Game time...Chicago v CMU
Thanks to all of you that shared your games to watch. As the weekend is fast approaching let's see what games we should try and check out this coming week. Monday October 14 through Sunday October 20.
It is a toss up for me and both game are on Wednesday October 19.
First one is from the NCAC conference featuring #2 v #1 in their conference Denison v #3 Kenyon
The other game of interest is from the CCIW conference featuring #3 v #1 in their conference Carthage v #6 North Park
Ranks are of course from week 6 Just glad they are on at different times without a PAYWALL LOL
I have the good fortune of living in Brunswick...and I too will be attending the Bowdoin v Hamilton game live and in person. Two very good teams will be facing off, and I hope the game lives up to the hype.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 03:04:56 PM
The other game of interest is from the CCIW conference featuring #3 v #1 in their conference Carthage v #6 North Park
Yours truly will be on the call for that one. Consider this fair warning in case it makes you want to turn down the sound on your computer. ;)
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 02:48:14 PM
Almost Game time...Chicago v CMU
I think Chicago has taken it personally that anyone thought this would be a competitive game. 4-0 Chicago over Carnegie Mellon. At least we got to see what some of Chicago's backups look like.
Quote from: Kuiper on October 14, 2022, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 02:48:14 PM
Almost Game time...Chicago v CMU
I think Chicago has taken it personally that anyone thought this would be a competitive game. 4-0 Chicago over Carnegie Mellon. At least we got to see what some of Chicago's backups look like.
Geez! Aside from those with kids playing in other programs, is there anyone who doesn't want to see a Chicago/Messiah final? That better not be a semi-final matchup >:(
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Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 02:48:14 PM
Almost Game time...Chicago v CMU
I think Chicago has taken it personally that anyone thought this would be a competitive game. 4-0 Chicago over Carnegie Mellon. At least we got to see what some of Chicago's backups look like.
Geez! Aside from those with kids playing in other programs, is there anyone who doesn't want to see a Chicago/Messiah final? That better not be a semi-final matchup >:(
Given geography and how the tournament is usually structured, is that likely or unlikely?
Quote from: Ejay on October 14, 2022, 05:12:23 PM
Quote from: Kuiper on October 14, 2022, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 02:48:14 PM
Almost Game time...Chicago v CMU
I think Chicago has taken it personally that anyone thought this would be a competitive game. 4-0 Chicago over Carnegie Mellon. At least we got to see what some of Chicago's backups look like.
Geez! Aside from those with kids playing in other programs, is there anyone who doesn't want to see a Chicago/Messiah final?
Yes. Me, for one. ;D
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on October 14, 2022, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: Ejay on October 14, 2022, 05:12:23 PM
Quote from: Kuiper on October 14, 2022, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 02:48:14 PM
Almost Game time...Chicago v CMU
I think Chicago has taken it personally that anyone thought this would be a competitive game. 4-0 Chicago over Carnegie Mellon. At least we got to see what some of Chicago's backups look like.
Geez! Aside from those with kids playing in other programs, is there anyone who doesn't want to see a Chicago/Messiah final? That better not be a semi-final matchup >:(
Given geography and how the tournament is usually structured, is that likely or unlikely?
They rotate the quadrants so that the semifinal matchups aren't necessarily geographical every year.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 14, 2022, 05:45:49 PM
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on October 14, 2022, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: Ejay on October 14, 2022, 05:12:23 PM
Quote from: Kuiper on October 14, 2022, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 14, 2022, 02:48:14 PM
Almost Game time...Chicago v CMU
I think Chicago has taken it personally that anyone thought this would be a competitive game. 4-0 Chicago over Carnegie Mellon. At least we got to see what some of Chicago's backups look like.
Geez! Aside from those with kids playing in other programs, is there anyone who doesn't want to see a Chicago/Messiah final? That better not be a semi-final matchup >:(
Given geography and how the tournament is usually structured, is that likely or unlikely?
They rotate the quadrants so that the semifinal matchups aren't necessarily geographical every year.
Wow Chicago looked better today than against a man down Calvin team and well CMU looked mediocre at best. Good win for Chicago
Boys playing against men....
SC
Calvin may be the 3rd best team in the country. Not as good as Chicago or Messiah but in a one game situation Calvin with Souders having time to prepare is dangerous against anybody.
Chicago and Messiah have it all....size, speed, defense, dangerous and creative offensive players. One possible difference is that Messiah hasn't played anyone at the level of Chicago's schedule since opening day. The silver lining for Messiah is that they don't need the UAA or NESCAC to be great.
Pn
I agree for the most part. But, if I'm looking at the final four to include Messiah and Chicago, I'll take the field. Soccer is soccer. I would bet neither makes the final four. So give me the field over Chicago and Messiah.
Quote from: 4samuy on October 14, 2022, 08:31:42 PM
Pn
I agree for the most part. But, if I'm looking at the final four to include Messiah and Chicago, I'll take the field. Soccer is soccer. I would bet neither makes the final four. So give me the field over Chicago and Messiah.
I don't think I mentioned the Final 4. But what part did you not agree with?
And duly noted...you've got the field.
Good point.
But I believe you have mentioned both as the best teams in in d3 soccer. I'm just throwing out that IMO neither will make the final four..
Quote from: 4samuy on October 14, 2022, 08:49:03 PM
Good point.
But I believe you have mentioned both as the best teams in in d3 soccer. I'm just throwing out that IMO neither will make the final four..
Who do YOU think are the best teams? Weren't you saying Chicago should be #1 (and they were) just a week or so ago?
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Pn
I agree for the most part. But, if I'm looking at the final four to include Messiah and Chicago, I'll take the field. Soccer is soccer. I would bet neither makes the final four. So give me the field over Chicago and Messiah.
I don't think I mentioned the Final 4. But what part did you not agree with?
And duly noted...you've got the field.
Can I get in on this? I don't think anyone is at the level of Messiah and Chicago this year. They appear to be head and shoulders above the field. And yes, soccer is soccer and anyone can win on any given day, but I REALLY like Messiah and Chicago (barring significant injury).
Yes sir.
But best team doesn't equal final four.. although Messiah and Chicago have had tremendous seasons thus far, when it comes to the tournament, every team has had great seasons. Brackets obviously will have a great impact on results and who moves forward.
As I said previously soccer is soccer. Unintentional hand balls, penalty kicks, two yellows?. These are all part of the game which decides who moves forward and who does not. I read a post from one of the coaches on the board that Chicago looked much better today against Carnegie Mellon than they did against a man down Calvin. Sorry for a man down Calvin. There are a ton of really good teams, contrary to some opinions on the boards, and through a one and done tournament the "best" teams don't always get thru.
Again, I'll take the field.
Quote from: 4samuy on October 14, 2022, 09:24:08 PM
Yes sir.
But best team doesn't equal final four.. although Messiah and Chicago have had tremendous seasons thus far, when it comes to the tournament, every team has had great seasons. Brackets obviously will have a great impact on results and who moves forward.
As I said previously soccer is soccer. Unintentional hand balls, penalty kicks, two yellows?. These are all part of the game which decides who moves forward and who does not. I read a post from one of the coaches on the board that Chicago looked much better today against Carnegie Mellon than they did against a man down Calvin. Sorry for a man down Calvin. There are a ton of really good teams, contrary to some opinions on the boards, and through a one and done tournament the "best" teams don't always get thru.
Again, I'll take the field.
Can you indulge us with your top 5?
Love to.
I was a striker in college and ended my career with 134 pts. So I prefer teams that can put the ball in the back of the net. But, I also understand the importance of form and more importantly IMO building from the back and moving the ball on the turf.. I have watched 50 plus games this year, and even though I'm not a poll guy (unless I completely disagree with someone's thoughts or biases) but since you politely asked the question, in no particular otder I would include Messiah, Chicago, North Park Calvin and Kenyon.
Quote from: 4samuy on October 14, 2022, 10:41:18 PM
Love to.
I was a striker in college and ended my career with 134 pts. So I prefer teams that can put the ball in the back of the net. But, I also understand the importance of form and more importantly IMO building from the back and moving the ball on the turf.. I have watched 50 plus games this year, and even though I'm not a poll guy (unless I completely disagree with someone's thoughts or biases) but since you politely asked the question, in no particular otder I would include Messiah, Chicago, North Park Calvin and Kenyon.
134 points...congrats. Where does that rank in the all-time D3 record books?
I don't even no. But it's something I'm pretty proud of.
134 points is an impressive number and would be good for 10th all-time at Messiah. To crack the NCAA D3 top 20, one would need at least 185 pts.
I just returned from watching Hamilton v Bowdoin in person, only the first half. Bowdoin was easily the better team as the score reflected but during the game there was something that was bugging me that took a while for me to put my finger on but finally i did. Both teams lacked, Hamilton to a greater degree:
1. Attention to detail
2. Good decision making
They consistently played the ball into pressure, passed the ball to the wrong side of a teammate, shot the ball from outside the 18 while falling backwards, forced passes that offered little advantage if successful, etc.
I think those traits are what make your top 5 legitimate top 5's and will separate them from the pack.
Watched the stream and basically agree with Maine Soccer Fan. Big result for Bowdoin who will look to finish in the top 2 in the NESCAC. Middlebury is the best team in the league right now but I haven't watched them much. I think likely the top 2-3 in NESCAC this year won't be title favorites like Amherst and Tufts in years past but will be in the next group of very good teams who can beat anyone but don't have the top gear of the best teams. Right now that looks like Midd, likely Bowdoin, and possibly 1 more.
If one buys the thesis that Chicago and Messiah are the only two superior teams, then being in the next group is pretty good company.
If I actually imagine brackets and teams they might play in 1st rd, 2nd rd, and Sweet 16 I can go five deep in the NESCAC without getting to a matchup any less than 50/50 (essentially anyone not named Messiah or Chicago) and most I would put at 65/35, 60/40, etc.
Just to take Bowdoin or Tufts as examples, who other than the top two (only one of whom would be in a NESCAC bracket) would they play that you would feel confident about beating them or even fairly confident? Then same with Midd, Amherst, Conn...
Looking at the up coming week what game should we all be put on our schedules to watch. I had a hard time picking one to watch but I did however pick a team to watch Western Connecticut. They have 3 conference games left for a possible undefeated season. Saturday October 22 they play Mass-Boston, A game against Pratt on Wednesday, October 26 and finish up the regular season with Southern Maine on Saturday, October 29. I have enjoyed following the wolves this season. They play a nice game. Good Luck wolves. What games do you all suggest?
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 20, 2022, 09:25:26 PM
Looking at the up coming week what game should we all be put on our schedules to watch. I had a hard time picking one to watch but I did however pick a team to watch Western Connecticut. They have 3 conference games left for a possible undefeated season. Saturday October 22 they play Mass-Boston, A game against Pratt on Wednesday, October 26 and finish up the regular season with Southern Maine on Saturday, October 29. I have enjoyed following the wolves this season. They play a nice game. Good Luck wolves. What games do you all suggest?
If you're looking for a game in the West to check out tomorrow, you might tune into Trinity (TX) at St. Thomas (TX) 5 pm CDT. Trinity has been surging of late, winning 6 games in a row to take a comfortable lead in the SCAC. Other than the win against Southwestern, however, Trinity has mostly been feasting on weaker competition. St. Thomas, therefore, is probably their first real test in awhile and a chance to establish that they are back on track and primed for a postseason run. St. Thomas is a distant third in the SCAC right now, but if they win against Trinity, they could win out and end the season 12-1-3, which should put them in decent spot for an NCAA tournament spot even if they don't get the automatic qualifier.
Couple games that jump out this weekend:
Misericordia @ Stevens--Stevens looking to stay undefeated and lock up the 1 seed in the MAC Freedom, Misericordia looking to bounce back after their first conference loss
Hopkins @ Muhles--Hopkins looking to stay unbeaten, Muhles with the home field advantage (if you can call it a field)
Kalamazoo @ Calvin--Calvin looking to bounce back after their first loss since Chicago and first blemish in the last 7 games, I wouldn't want to be Kalamazoo
Midd @ Tufts, Amherst @ Hamilton, Wesleyan @ Bowdoin--great battles in the NESCAC this weekend
Others:
CNU @ Mary Wash
Mass-Boston @ W. Conn
Cortland @ Brockport
Alvernia @ Rochester
SLU @ Skidmore
TX-Lutheran @ Southwestern
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 21, 2022, 08:39:04 AM
Couple games that jump out this weekend:
Misericordia @ Stevens--Stevens looking to stay undefeated and lock up the 1 seed in the MAC Freedom, Misericordia looking to bounce back after their first conference loss
Hopkins @ Muhles--Hopkins looking to stay unbeaten, Muhles with the home field advantage (if you can call it a field)
Kalamazoo @ Calvin--Calvin looking to bounce back after their first loss since Chicago and first blemish in the last 7 games, I wouldn't want to be Kalamazoo
Midd @ Tufts, Amherst @ Hamilton, Wesleyan @ Bowdoin--great battles in the NESCAC this weekend
Others:
CNU @ Mary Wash
Mass-Boston @ W. Conn
Cortland @ Brockport
Alvernia @ Rochester
SLU @ Skidmore
TX-Lutheran @ Southwestern
The Alvernia/Rochester game was on my radar as very intriguing. Alvernia is 9-2-5 with only 1 quality win vs. a Montclair team that was all over them but gave up a PK. They're not a very good team but somehow find a way not to lose. Rochester, as we know, finds a way to sneak into the tournament every year. Surely a loss would dash those hopes once and for all?
Side note: Alvernia is probably the benefactor of the no OT rule. My guess is their 9-2-5 record could easily be a 9-7 record.
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 21, 2022, 08:39:04 AM
Couple games that jump out this weekend:
Misericordia @ Stevens--Stevens looking to stay undefeated and lock up the 1 seed in the MAC Freedom, Misericordia looking to bounce back after their first conference loss
Hopkins @ Muhles--Hopkins looking to stay unbeaten, Muhles with the home field advantage (if you can call it a field)
Kalamazoo @ Calvin--Calvin looking to bounce back after their first loss since Chicago and first blemish in the last 7 games, I wouldn't want to be Kalamazoo
Midd @ Tufts, Amherst @ Hamilton, Wesleyan @ Bowdoin--great battles in the NESCAC this weekend
Others:
CNU @ Mary Wash
Mass-Boston @ W. Conn
Cortland @ Brockport
Alvernia @ Rochester
SLU @ Skidmore
TX-Lutheran @ Southwestern
Wow what a great statement about the Muhles field. It is an embarrassment to Muhlenberg. I think the MULE pasture down the road would be better and safer to play on. I am surprised that the NCAA officials allow them to use a field in that poor of condition.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 21, 2022, 10:12:22 AM
Wow what a great statement about the Muhles field. It is an embarrassment to Muhlenberg. I think the MULE pasture down the road would be better and safer to play on. I am surprised that the NCAA officials allow them to use a field in that poor of condition.
You'd be surprised at how little the NCAA cares. As long as you've got legal dimensions, you're golden.
You'd probably also be surprised at the beastly condition of
a lot of grass pitches in D3. At least some of the coaches of grass-field programs are circumspect enough to move games to another locale if their playing surface becomes too compromised, a la Calvin moving D3 tourney games from the quagmire known as Zuidema Field to the home pitch of nearby Grand Rapids Christian H.S. two or three years ago.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 21, 2022, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 21, 2022, 10:12:22 AM
Wow what a great statement about the Muhles field. It is an embarrassment to Muhlenberg. I think the MULE pasture down the road would be better and safer to play on. I am surprised that the NCAA officials allow them to use a field in that poor of condition.
You'd be surprised at how little the NCAA cares. As long as you've got legal dimensions, you're golden.
You'd probably also be surprised at the beastly condition of a lot of grass pitches in D3. At least some of the coaches of grass-field programs are circumspect enough to move games to another locale if their playing surface becomes too compromised, a la Calvin moving D3 tourney games from the quagmire known as Zuidema Field to the home pitch of nearby Grand Rapids Christian H.S. two or three years ago.
Not surprised at all by the conditions of Grass fields. When Coaching at a D3 college after a huge rainstorm, a frat brat thought it would be a great idea to drive his truck in circles around our game field. When we arrived at the field the next morning for pregame, we were very surprised at the mess. So our awesome ground keeper staff took soil that they had collected from the state cleaning out the ditches along the roads to fill in the ruts. When we returned in the afternoon for the game we found loose dirt and you can image what else. Yes you got it broken glass, plastic and other litter. The Officials deemed the field unplayable and we had to move it to out practice area which was not a great surface to say the least. The NCAA seems very concerned about our players health with the elimination of overtime don't you think field conditions should also be a major concern as well
Grass fields in the midwest, northeast and good chunks of the mid-atlantic come November are an absolute farce. When weather consistently dips below 50, grass simply stops growing and isn't repairable.
Pretty basic stuff, really.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on October 21, 2022, 11:35:41 AM
Grass fields in the midwest, northeast and good chunks of the mid-atlantic come November are an absolute farce. When weather consistently dips below 50, grass simply stops growing and isn't repairable.
Pretty basic stuff, really.
I can think of 2 fields in central PA that all quality surfaces. Shoemaker field in Mechanicsburg, PA is really good all year long and Emmitt Field at Holmes Stadium, Lewisburg, Pa. Well they do have ground crews that actually care about doing a good job. I have noticed on numerous occasions at both fields the players and coaches will go around and replace the torn up sod on the field. Following the game day the ground crew is hard at working keeping the surfaces in top shape. They also do not practice on it or allow other events to take place on the game fields.
And this does beg the question in d3 soccer, and will say I'm usually on top of the odd and even year thing, but since the COVID year I've lost track. Who gets tournament hosting priorities the first weekend this year, men or women? Although some teams may have to play on these fields in November, since this is the men's boards, I hope it doesn't come to that.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 21, 2022, 11:15:52 AMThe NCAA seems very concerned about our players health with the elimination of overtime don't you think field conditions should also be a major concern as well
That's a valid point. The answer is administrative; no bureaucrat from Indianapolis is going to come out to examine every playing surface, which means that the responsibility would devolve upon the five members of each regional committee -- whom I'm sure would unanimously insist that, as coaches, ADs, and assistant ADs, they each have more than enough on their plates that would preclude them from touring eight to ten soccer pitches across a widely-dispersed geographic area every October in order to inspect field conditions.
That's why the NCAA usually leaves these sorts of things up to conferences to administer, rather than Indy itself. If Muhlenberg's pitch is so awful that it's a genuine health hazard, the best place to raise that issue would be the Centennial Conference office.
That's the funny thing to some of us old-heads, and I mentioned it earlier this week. The fields we are complaining about (deservedly so) would've been considered pristine to some of that played on the pockmarked disasters that littered D3 back in the 80s and early 90s.
Funny thing (to me), is that we played at Muhlenberg in a playoff game (lost by a goal) on their field and I remember thinking I loved the atmosphere and my recollection is that the field was pretty darn nice.
There's also an increased risk of non-contact lower extremity injuries when playing on artificial turf
Absolutely. Had two classmates absolutely explode their knees on the Homewood turf. We used to call it the turf monster whenever someone just, kind of stumbled for no good reason.
I don't remember what year it was replaced, but I was there during preseason and that field's lines were literally like diving/sliding across sand paper. The paint was just brutal, and as anyone that's visited knows, that is a football, soccer, field hockey and lacrosse field (men's and women). So, the lines are freaking EVERYWHERE...
Squeemish folks stop reading...
That year, I'd go to sleep having polished off a six pack of Milwaukee's Best (Beast) Ice. The raspberry/chewed up skin went from my hip down to about half way down my thigh, and kicked back in on the outside of my calves (always focus on technique!!). Every time I went to rollover, the sheets would "unstick" and peel off my wounds and it was just a nightmare.
The heat on that turf in August was so bad, I couldn't bear wearing pants, so... Just had to suck it up for those 2+ weeks. Pretty gnarly and I still have some very faint scarring from it.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on October 21, 2022, 02:08:18 PM
That's the funny thing to some of us old-heads, and I mentioned it earlier this week. The fields we are complaining about (deservedly so) would've been considered pristine to some of that played on the pockmarked disasters that littered D3 back in the 80s and early 90s.
Yep. North Park had its soccer alumni day last weekend, and listening to the NPU old-heads was like hearing a litany of who twisted his ankle at which local college.
Quote from: paclassic89 on October 21, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
There's also an increased risk of non-contact lower extremity injuries when playing on artificial turf
That's not the case with Field Turf, (https://fieldturf.com/workspace/uploads/files/collegiate-mens-soccer-study-ajsm-dr-meyers-2017-fieldturf.pdf) which is a radically different type of surface than the old-style carpet that Hopkins92 described in gory detail in his last post.
Agreed, I think it's much closer in terms of incidence rate between field turf and grass at this point. I think the jury's still out but it's definitely not as bad as it was on the old carpet artificial turf https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593739/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593739/)
Quote from: Hopkins92 on October 21, 2022, 02:08:18 PM
Funny thing (to me), is that we played at Muhlenberg in a playoff game (lost by a goal) on their field and I remember thinking I loved the atmosphere and my recollection is that the field was pretty darn nice.
Agreed. I loved playing at Muhlenberg. The atmosphere was great. Student body right on top of the field. Loud boisterous environment. Great place to play. Fast forward 30 years to 2021 and few students bother to show up and the field is trash. Sitting the bleachers shaking my head and trying to explain to my son that this used to be great!
Quote from: Ejay on October 21, 2022, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: Hopkins92 on October 21, 2022, 02:08:18 PM
Funny thing (to me), is that we played at Muhlenberg in a playoff game (lost by a goal) on their field and I remember thinking I loved the atmosphere and my recollection is that the field was pretty darn nice.
Agreed. I loved playing at Muhlenberg. The atmosphere was great. Student body right on top of the field. Loud boisterous environment. Great place to play. Fast forward 30 years to 2021 and few students bother to show up and the field is trash. Sitting the bleachers shaking my head and trying to explain to my son that this used to be great!
That was the first place that offered my first son a spot, said he did not like the school, but I loved the location of the field, students can watch from the dorms!
Quote from: Kuiper on October 21, 2022, 01:30:52 AM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on October 20, 2022, 09:25:26 PM
Looking at the up coming week what game should we all be put on our schedules to watch. I had a hard time picking one to watch but I did however pick a team to watch Western Connecticut. They have 3 conference games left for a possible undefeated season. Saturday October 22 they play Mass-Boston, A game against Pratt on Wednesday, October 26 and finish up the regular season with Southern Maine on Saturday, October 29. I have enjoyed following the wolves this season. They play a nice game. Good Luck wolves. What games do you all suggest?
If you're looking for a game in the West to check out tomorrow, you might tune into Trinity (TX) at St. Thomas (TX) 5 pm CDT. Trinity has been surging of late, winning 6 games in a row to take a comfortable lead in the SCAC. Other than the win against Southwestern, however, Trinity has mostly been feasting on weaker competition. St. Thomas, therefore, is probably their first real test in awhile and a chance to establish that they are back on track and primed for a postseason run. St. Thomas is a distant third in the SCAC right now, but if they win against Trinity, they could win out and end the season 12-1-3, which should put them in decent spot for an NCAA tournament spot even if they don't get the automatic qualifier.
St. Thomas gets the big win, 2-1 over Trinity. They fouled a lot and got a lot of cards, but got the job done, which jumps them to second place in the SCAC behind Trinity and puts them in a position to snag first if Trinity gets tripped up by Colorado College in the last game of the season.
What are the picks for the GOTW:
Franklin and Marshall v Johns Hopkins Saturday at noon
in another game of interest that day Messiah v Widener at 4 pm
This isn't really a game of the week candidate, but with so few games on tap in DIII today, those curious about the DIII v. DI games like the Endicott at BC game last week might want to check out Trine at Indiana University (D1) today at 6:30 pm local time. They played last year as well and IU beat Trine 9-0. That game, however, was midseason, while this game is two days before Trine's game against Olivet in the first round of the MIAA tournament.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on October 21, 2022, 02:20:26 PM
Absolutely. Had two classmates absolutely explode their knees on the Homewood turf. We used to call it the turf monster whenever someone just, kind of stumbled for no good reason.
I don't remember what year it was replaced, but I was there during preseason and that field's lines were literally like diving/sliding across sand paper. The paint was just brutal, and as anyone that's visited knows, that is a football, soccer, field hockey and lacrosse field (men's and women). So, the lines are freaking EVERYWHERE...
Squeemish folks stop reading...
That year, I'd go to sleep having polished off a six pack of Milwaukee's Best (Beast) Ice. The raspberry/chewed up skin went from my hip down to about half way down my thigh, and kicked back in on the outside of my calves (always focus on technique!!). Every time I went to rollover, the sheets would "unstick" and peel off my wounds and it was just a nightmare.
The heat on that turf in August was so bad, I couldn't bear wearing pants, so... Just had to suck it up for those 2+ weeks. Pretty gnarly and I still have some very faint scarring from it.
That's a great story. Must have been one of the first generation of turf. FYI and you probably know this, JHU's turf has definitely gotten really ragged and really needs to be replaced.
Yeah, I actually played at an alumni tournament a few years back and noticed it was getting pretty funky. Was back there for homecoming in the spring and... Here's the thing...
It's fine for lacrosse and field hockey and probably ok for football. But especially when it comes to the bottom line, someone from the B1G needs to complain for their to be any movement on that field. $$$
Quote from: Kuiper on October 27, 2022, 03:13:27 PM
This isn't really a game of the week candidate, but with so few games on tap in DIII today, those curious about the DIII v. DI games like the Endicott at BC game last week might want to check out Trine at Indiana University (D1) today at 6:30 pm local time. They played last year as well and IU beat Trine 9-0. That game, however, was midseason, while this game is two days before Trine's game against Olivet in the first round of the MIAA tournament.
Congrats to Trine for holding Indiana off the board for 20 minutes. It's now 1-0 IU and if IU isn't playing a first choice lineup, it definitely consists of players who start a lot of games and play a lot of minutes.
Don't forget Games to watch today.
Franklin and Marshall v Johns Hopkins Saturday at noon
Messiah v Widener at 4 pm
Quote from: Hopkins92 on October 21, 2022, 02:20:26 PM
Absolutely. Had two classmates absolutely explode their knees on the Homewood turf. We used to call it the turf monster whenever someone just, kind of stumbled for no good reason.
I don't remember what year it was replaced, but I was there during preseason and that field's lines were literally like diving/sliding across sand paper. The paint was just brutal, and as anyone that's visited knows, that is a football, soccer, field hockey and lacrosse field (men's and women). So, the lines are freaking EVERYWHERE...
Squeemish folks stop reading...
That year, I'd go to sleep having polished off a six pack of Milwaukee's Best (Beast) Ice. The raspberry/chewed up skin went from my hip down to about half way down my thigh, and kicked back in on the outside of my calves (always focus on technique!!). Every time I went to rollover, the sheets would "unstick" and peel off my wounds and it was just a nightmare.
The heat on that turf in August was so bad, I couldn't bear wearing pants, so... Just had to suck it up for those 2+ weeks. Pretty gnarly and I still have some very faint scarring from it.
The upside was that Hopkins was almost unbeatable on that turf. No one else in our conference (MAC South at the time, before the formation of the Centennial) had turf and, unlike today, you couldn't wear cleats on what was basically green concrete. We typically wore indoor shoes/flats, unless it was wet, when we would wear turf shoes. None of our opponents had the right footwear and they couldn't judge the bounces. We didn't lose a single conference home game in the three years I played.
Some games to watch today...
Dickinson @ Hopkins
Camden @ Montclair
Albion @ Calvin
Rowan @ Ramapo
RIT @ RPI
Hobart @ Skidmore
Muhles @ Gettysburg
Stevenson @ York
Game to Watch today...
Wabash v Kenyon 2pm
For night owls, Redlands v Cal Lutheran at 7 pm Pacific in the SCIAC quarterfinals should be a good game.
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on November 01, 2022, 09:30:40 AM
Some games to watch today...
Dickinson @ Hopkins
Camden @ Montclair
Albion @ Calvin
Rowan @ Ramapo
RIT @ RPI
Hobart @ Skidmore
Muhles @ Gettysburg
Stevenson @ York
For context, the Dickinson tied Hopkins October 19 and the Muhles v. Gettysburg game tonight is a replay of a tie three days ago. Both were 1-1. Got to be winners this time.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on November 01, 2022, 09:47:33 AM
Game to Watch today...
Wabash v Kenyon 2pm
This will be third NCAC semi in past four seasons for these two. Last year Kenyon won very comfortably but in 2018 the Little Giants took the then Lords to literally the last second of the 2nd OT when AA CB Bret Lowry scored from just outside the right post to avoid PKs.
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 01, 2022, 11:56:26 AM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on November 01, 2022, 09:47:33 AM
Game to Watch today...
Wabash v Kenyon 2pm
This will be third NCAC semi in past four seasons for these two. Last year Kenyon won very comfortably but in 2018 the Little Giants took the then Lords to literally the last second of the 2nd OT when AA CB Bret Lowry scored from just outside the right post to avoid PKs.
Kenyon also played very well in the NCAA's last year and they will be a tough team to face this year IMHO.
They are currently laying the lumber on Wabash. I haven't had the pleasure of watching them play this year. They are REALLY good going forward. Quality moves to open up the defender to get off a shot. At least 2 of the goals I saw were just straight up beating their man and firing home the goal. (Some suspect defending, to be sure.)
Final
Kenyon 4 - Wabash 0
Better result than last year, but clearly not good enough for my Little Giants.
Something that might not be known be too many members, but in the GTW this Friday is #3 Lancaster Bible vs. #2 Penn State-Harrisburg, 6:30 pm ET
Anthony Gehman PS Harrisburg's coach was a former player at LBC. He played his collegiate soccer at nearby Lancaster Bible College. While at LBC, Gehman twice served as team captain and helped lead the Chargers to a pair of conference championship game appearances. He graduated from Lancaster Bible with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Youth and Young Adult Ministry.
So not only is it a good match up but it also futures Mentor v Mentee...
Speaking of games this week. Rotated between Roanoke v HS and Wheaton v NPU last pm. Seemed to me that the Wheaton and NPU sides were much better than the VA teams. Thoughts?
Quote from: Fitz@615 on November 03, 2022, 02:39:09 PM
Speaking of games this week. Rotated between Roanoke v HS and Wheaton v NPU last pm. Seemed to me that the Wheaton and NPU sides were much better than the VA teams. Thoughts?
Roanoke and H-SC were the 4th and 8th seeds in the ODAC tournament. H-SC upset #1 Lynchburg 1-0 to make the semis. North Park and Wheaton were the 2/3 seeds in the CCIW tournament. I'd expect them to have been significantly better.
Speaking of which, how about this goal in NPU's win last night at Wheaton?
https://twitter.com/VikingsNPU/status/1588009566004023298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1588009566004023298%7Ctwgr%5Eb8fa69d9d0b688293124e31b78a3dfcdaf407278%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fathletics.northpark.edu%2Fnews%2F2022%2F11%2F2%2Fmens-soccer-vikings-take-down-2-seed-wheaton-advance-to-cciw-finals.aspx
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 03, 2022, 04:22:19 PM
Speaking of which, how about this goal in NPU's win last night at Wheaton?
https://twitter.com/VikingsNPU/status/1588009566004023298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1588009566004023298%7Ctwgr%5Eb8fa69d9d0b688293124e31b78a3dfcdaf407278%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fathletics.northpark.edu%2Fnews%2F2022%2F11%2F2%2Fmens-soccer-vikings-take-down-2-seed-wheaton-advance-to-cciw-finals.aspx
That's nice teamwork and movement. Very pretty. But for sheer flair and wow factor... check out this one from W&L against Va Wes:
https://twitter.com/WLUGenerals/status/1587986252653105152
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 03, 2022, 04:22:19 PM
Speaking of which, how about this goal in NPU's win last night at Wheaton?
https://twitter.com/VikingsNPU/status/1588009566004023298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1588009566004023298%7Ctwgr%5Eb8fa69d9d0b688293124e31b78a3dfcdaf407278%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fathletics.northpark.edu%2Fnews%2F2022%2F11%2F2%2Fmens-soccer-vikings-take-down-2-seed-wheaton-advance-to-cciw-finals.aspx
Not being critical, because it all happened so fast, but if that Wheaton defender had stepped up to the ball, that goal is waived for offsides, it was already kinda close (but definitely not.)
Quote from: jknezek on November 03, 2022, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 03, 2022, 04:22:19 PM
Speaking of which, how about this goal in NPU's win last night at Wheaton?
https://twitter.com/VikingsNPU/status/1588009566004023298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1588009566004023298%7Ctwgr%5Eb8fa69d9d0b688293124e31b78a3dfcdaf407278%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fathletics.northpark.edu%2Fnews%2F2022%2F11%2F2%2Fmens-soccer-vikings-take-down-2-seed-wheaton-advance-to-cciw-finals.aspx
That's nice teamwork and movement. Very pretty. But for sheer flair and wow factor... check out this one from W&L against Va Wes:
https://twitter.com/WLUGenerals/status/1587986252653105152
Yeah, the flick was pretty, but it was unnecessary. I was more impressed by the precision chip served into the box and the nice ground cross with pace that set it up.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 03, 2022, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 03, 2022, 04:22:19 PM
Speaking of which, how about this goal in NPU's win last night at Wheaton?
https://twitter.com/VikingsNPU/status/1588009566004023298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1588009566004023298%7Ctwgr%5Eb8fa69d9d0b688293124e31b78a3dfcdaf407278%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fathletics.northpark.edu%2Fnews%2F2022%2F11%2F2%2Fmens-soccer-vikings-take-down-2-seed-wheaton-advance-to-cciw-finals.aspx
Not being critical, because it all happened so fast, but if that Wheaton defender had stepped up to the ball, that goal is waived for offsides, it was already kinda close (but definitely not.)
True. And the player in question is the senior Wheaton captain CB who, even though it was a split-second thing, was probably kicking himself afterwards for not reacting that way, given that he was too far from NPU's Toby Lunde to interfere with his shot.
(That Wheaton player, by the way, is Drew Beamer, youngest son of Flight 93 hero Todd "Let's Roll" Beamer, who was himself a two-sport athlete at Wheaton.)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 04, 2022, 02:48:23 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 03, 2022, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 03, 2022, 04:22:19 PM
Speaking of which, how about this goal in NPU's win last night at Wheaton?
https://twitter.com/VikingsNPU/status/1588009566004023298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1588009566004023298%7Ctwgr%5Eb8fa69d9d0b688293124e31b78a3dfcdaf407278%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fathletics.northpark.edu%2Fnews%2F2022%2F11%2F2%2Fmens-soccer-vikings-take-down-2-seed-wheaton-advance-to-cciw-finals.aspx
That's nice teamwork and movement. Very pretty. But for sheer flair and wow factor... check out this one from W&L against Va Wes:
https://twitter.com/WLUGenerals/status/1587986252653105152
Yeah, the flick was pretty, but it was unnecessary. I was more impressed by the precision chip served into the box and the nice ground cross with pace that set it up.
Given his momentum and the direction of his body in relation to the goal, I don't know how else he could have put it on frame with one touch. Maybe a front foot instep to change the trajectory? He was at the front post when he made contact and both legs and body facing the corner flag. I think anything with the front (right) foot likely puts it outside the near post. Two touches makes for a flat angle and gives the defender a chance to catch up as would slowing the off ball run to reposition for a left foot shot.
Like I said, flair and wow, but I don't see too many legit options either given the cross was a half step too far away from goal.
Montclair v Rowan today for NJAC title, should be a good one!
Thanks for the Montclair v Rowan will definitely try and catch some of it. Check out these two games on Saturday as well:
Washington U. No. 2 Chicago 12:00 PM
No. 18 Middlebury No. 5 Amherst 1:30 PM
A lot of great games this week and even more coming! Centennial Conf. Semis tonight at 7.
Washington College v. Hopkins - Tied last time with a very questionable PK call on Hopkins and the game is again in Chestertown. WC has a lot on the line if it wants to make the NCAA's. Hopkins has already played 2 games (to include a game going to PKs) since Saturday.
Muhlenberg v. F&M - F&M won last time 2-1. Led most the game 2-0 until it gave up a goal with about 10 min. to go. Muhlenberg is also the highest scoring in the Centennial Conf. while F&M gave up the least and going into this game has not given up a goal in last 5 games. Like WC, Muhls most likely need this for the NCAAs. F&M has gone 15 games without a loss after losing to Stevens in its second game of the season as well has not given up more than 1 goal in these games.
Quote from: SierraFD3soccer on November 04, 2022, 12:35:00 PM
A lot of great games this week and even more coming! Centennial Conf. Semis tonight at 7.
Washington College v. Hopkins - Tied last time with a very questionable PK call on Hopkins and the game is again in Chestertown. WC has a lot on the line if it wants to make the NCAA's. Hopkins has already played 2 games (to include a game going to PKs) since Saturday.
Muhlenberg v. F&M - F&M won last time 2-1. Led most the game 2-0 until it gave up a goal with about 10 min. to go. Muhlenberg is also the highest scoring in the Centennial Conf. while F&M gave up the least and going into this game has not given up a goal in last 5 games. Like WC, Muhls most likely need this for the NCAAs. F&M has gone 15 games without a loss after losing to Stevens in its second game of the season as well has not given up more than 1 goal in these games.
FYI as to Hopkins, over the last 4 games - 1 (via PKs)-1-2. IMO if it does not want to be shipped to NESCAC world or the Upper Peninsula, winning tonight would most likely block that. (Last year and you all may remember, was sent to John Carroll to play Penn State Harrisburg in the 1st round)
Quote from: SierraFD3soccer on November 04, 2022, 12:44:56 PM
Quote from: SierraFD3soccer on November 04, 2022, 12:35:00 PM
A lot of great games this week and even more coming! Centennial Conf. Semis tonight at 7.
Washington College v. Hopkins - Tied last time with a very questionable PK call on Hopkins and the game is again in Chestertown. WC has a lot on the line if it wants to make the NCAA's. Hopkins has already played 2 games (to include a game going to PKs) since Saturday.
Muhlenberg v. F&M - F&M won last time 2-1. Led most the game 2-0 until it gave up a goal with about 10 min. to go. Muhlenberg is also the highest scoring in the Centennial Conf. while F&M gave up the least and going into this game has not given up a goal in last 5 games. Like WC, Muhls most likely need this for the NCAAs. F&M has gone 15 games without a loss after losing to Stevens in its second game of the season as well has not given up more than 1 goal in these games.
FYI as to Hopkins, over the last 4 games - 1 (via PKs)-1-2. IMO if it does not want to be shipped to NESCAC world or the Upper Peninsula, winning tonight would most likely block that. (Last year and you all may remember, was sent to John Carroll to play Penn State Harrisburg in the 1st round)
Last year they really collapsed late. As I wrote about a few days ago, they were the very last team put on the board and as you say, they got shipped and had a tough first round game and then lost in the Snow Bowl to a very VERY strong John Carroll side. Their early season success is a bit stronger than last year, but dumping out here in the semis puts them right on the edge, as you said.
Muhles are a tough out. They play with a lot of heart and grit.
Quote from: jknezek on November 04, 2022, 09:16:44 AMGiven his momentum and the direction of his body in relation to the goal, I don't know how else he could have put it on frame with one touch. Maybe a front foot instep to change the trajectory? He was at the front post when he made contact and both legs and body facing the corner flag. I think anything with the front (right) foot likely puts it outside the near post. Two touches makes for a flat angle and gives the defender a chance to catch up as would slowing the off ball run to reposition for a left foot shot.
Like I said, flair and wow, but I don't see too many legit options either given the cross was a half step too far away from goal.
I should've been more clear when I used the word "unnecessary". The issue isn't where and how Agbeyegbe was forced to strike the ball inside the six. The issue is how he got there in the first place.
Agbeyegbe began running straight ahead into the box as Kutsanzira's chip descended, while the VWU double team bracketing Agbeyegbe (#6 Matthew Goldberg on his left and #14 Eldin Harbas on his right) were both still turning and looking skyward at the ball. Agbeyegbe had his head swiveled rightward to follow the ball, so he could see clearly that Bruner was going to get to the ball first on the right wing, and that the bounce would take Bruner past anything but at best the most extreme angle possible for a SOG once he corralled the ball. More importantly, with his head tilted that way he could also see that VWU keeper Griffin Potter was misplaying the setup. Obviously thinking that Bruner would get a chance at an angled strike, Potter was sliding leftward to hug the post. It was a misread on Potter's part; he should've seen that Bruner would not have a viable attack angle once he reached the ball, and that his defender (#12 Caleb Jackson) was coming in at full sprint and would be able to interpose himself between Bruner and the goal if Bruner chose to shoot. Instead, Potter not only shifted over so far that he was hugging post, he also took the entire middle of the field -- and, thus, the oncoming Agbeyegbe -- out of his peripheral vision, which is the classic fatal error of a goalkeeper in this situation.
With all of this happening right in front of him, and with Goldberg well behind him off his left hip, Agbeyegbe saw that Potter was on the post with his attention entirely devoted to Bruner, who'd obviously have no option other than to cross once he reached the ball. The logical move for Agbeyegbe was to veer leftward and give himself the entirety of that open net with which to work once the cross got to him. But I understand why Agbeyegbe did what he did -- he was trying to avoid going offside, thinking that his pace might otherwise put him past the backmost defender (Jackson) before Bruner struck the cross. But veering left would've solved that problem just as easily as what he did instead -- veering right, towards the ball and away from the open net -- while leaving him with a far better shooting position. Heck, he could've even changed course after he'd veered rightward, given how the play was unfolding. His quick burst from the top of the box, catching Goldberg and Harbas flat-footed and leaving them well behind him in his wake, gave him the necessary cushion to make the adjustment. Instead, he remained committed to the rightward veer in order to stay onside, leaving him, as you said, no real choice but to back-foot flick as he passed through the ball's path.
That's why I say that I was more impressed by what Kutsanzira did and what Bruner did than by Agbeyegbe's flashy finish. The initial thought that ran through my head the first time that I saw the goal was, of course, "Nice flick, and nice setup" but my second thought was, "What the heck was he doing all the way over there on the right with the rest of the net empty?" Kudos to Agbeyegbe for having the skill to make that shot, but I think that he could've avoided that degree of difficulty by approaching better. By contrast, Kutsanzira's service was perfectly placed and paced, and Bruner, far from crossing too far away from the goal, kept it out of Potter's reach and with enough pace so that only Agbeyegbe could get to it -- and it was itself a high-degree-of-difficulty cross, since he volleyed the ball one-touch off the short hop with a plant-and-crossover swing at the end of a long sprint up the sideline.
Great goal, but I always give more credit to a well-played setup than to a fancy finish. Of course, the usual caveats apply -- this all happened in real time, while my 20/20-hindsight analysis comes with numerous slow-motion reviews of the play.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on November 04, 2022, 11:40:30 AM
Thanks for the Montclair v Rowan will definitely try and catch some of it. Check out these two games on Saturday as well:
Washington U. No. 2 Chicago 12:00 PM
No. 18 Middlebury No. 5 Amherst 1:30 PM
#13 North Park @ #11 North Central at 1 pm Central tomorrow for the CCIW tourney championship.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 04, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 04, 2022, 09:16:44 AMGiven his momentum and the direction of his body in relation to the goal, I don't know how else he could have put it on frame with one touch. Maybe a front foot instep to change the trajectory? He was at the front post when he made contact and both legs and body facing the corner flag. I think anything with the front (right) foot likely puts it outside the near post. Two touches makes for a flat angle and gives the defender a chance to catch up as would slowing the off ball run to reposition for a left foot shot.
Like I said, flair and wow, but I don't see too many legit options either given the cross was a half step too far away from goal.
I should've been more clear when I used the word "unnecessary". The issue isn't where and how Agbeyegbe was forced to strike the ball inside the six. The issue is how he got there in the first place.
Agbeyegbe began running straight ahead into the box as Kutsanzira's chip descended, while the VWU double team bracketing Agbeyegbe (#6 Matthew Goldberg on his left and #14 Eldin Harbas on his right) were both still turning and looking skyward at the ball. Agbeyegbe had his head swiveled rightward to follow the ball, so he could see clearly that Bruner was going to get to the ball first on the right wing, and that the bounce would take Bruner past anything but at best the most extreme angle possible for a SOG once he corralled the ball. More importantly, with his head tilted that way he could also see that VWU keeper Griffin Potter was misplaying the setup. Obviously thinking that Bruner would get a chance at an angled strike, Potter was sliding leftward to hug the post. It was a misread on Potter's part; he should've seen that Bruner would not have a viable attack angle once he reached the ball, and that his defender (#12 Caleb Jackson) was coming in at full sprint and would be able to interpose himself between Bruner and the goal if Bruner chose to shoot. Instead, Potter not only shifted over so far that he was hugging post, he also took the entire middle of the field -- and, thus, the oncoming Agbeyegbe -- out of his peripheral vision, which is the classic fatal error of a goalkeeper in this situation.
With all of this happening right in front of him, and with Goldberg well behind him off his left hip, Agbeyegbe saw that Potter was on the post with his attention entirely devoted to Bruner, who'd obviously have no option other than to cross once he reached the ball. The logical move for Agbeyegbe was to veer leftward and give himself the entirety of that open net with which to work once the cross got to him. But I understand why Agbeyegbe did what he did -- he was trying to avoid going offside, thinking that his pace might otherwise put him past the backmost defender (Jackson) before Bruner struck the cross. But veering left would've solved that problem just as easily as what he did instead -- veering right, towards the ball and away from the open net -- while leaving him with a far better shooting position. Heck, he could've even changed course after he'd veered rightward, given how the play was unfolding. His quick burst from the top of the box, catching Goldberg and Harbas flat-footed and leaving them well behind him in his wake, gave him the necessary cushion to make the adjustment. Instead, he remained committed to the rightward veer in order to stay onside, leaving him, as you said, no real choice but to back-foot flick as he passed through the ball's path.
That's why I say that I was more impressed by what Kutsanzira did and what Bruner did than by Agbeyegbe's flashy finish. The initial thought that ran through my head the first time that I saw the goal was, of course, "Nice flick, and nice setup" but my second thought was, "What the heck was he doing all the way over there on the right with the rest of the net empty?" Kudos to Agbeyegbe for having the skill to make that shot, but I think that he could've avoided that degree of difficulty by approaching better. By contrast, Kutsanzira's service was perfectly placed and paced, and Bruner, far from crossing too far away from the goal, kept it out of Potter's reach and with enough pace so that only Agbeyegbe could get to it -- and it was itself a high-degree-of-difficulty cross, since he volleyed the ball one-touch off the short hop with a plant-and-crossover swing at the end of a long sprint up the sideline.
Great goal, but I always give more credit to a well-played setup than to a fancy finish. Of course, the usual caveats apply -- this all happened in real time, while my 20/20-hindsight analysis comes with numerous slow-motion reviews of the play.
Great analysis. And yes, I have no idea what the goalie is doing and I see what you are saying about the trajectory of Agbeyegbe's run. The only thing I'll say, is cutting to the near side allowed Agbeyegbe to completely cut his nearside defender out of the play. Had he moved toward the far post, the near side defender might have had a better chance of cutting off or at least deflecting the pass since Agbeyegbe would not have been between him and the ball. Course he might have cut off the pass by turning it into an own goal...
Either way, it is a nice play all around by all 3 W&L players to take advantage of some defensive lapses.
There is no need for a neutral to watch Wash U @ Chicago when there are soooooo many games of consequence that actually have real consequences.
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 04, 2022, 02:09:11 PM
There is no need for a neutral to watch Wash U @ Chicago when there are soooooo many games of consequence that actually have real consequences.
I might pop in for a few, just because I haven't really spent any time with them this year.
Hop92, do you know for a fact that Hopkins was the last team in last year? Seemed like they had too good of a season for that even with a little slippage late.
And I know you said you were talking more about the snow game than the midwest in general, but Ohio might be a preferable place to go. There are no safe havens. I can see wanting to avoid the top NESCACs, and I can understand not wanting to be shipped out somewhere weird, but then what are the alternatives? A very good chance to be in a sectional with Messiah? Like, what would be an ideal landing spot.
I had similar thoughts reading guesses about the top seeds. That number might not matter. It's likely that based on bracketing principles you'd have to beat the same or very similar teams in the Sweet 16 or Elite 8. Like whether Kenyon is a #1 or #2 probably won't impact having to get through Calvin, North Park, JCU, maybe W&L, etc.
Where it may matter is for a team like Stevens, and if tagged with a #2 seed the Ducks could get stuck in a sectional with Messiah. But if not Messiah, they're probably staring down the barrel of Amherst, or Middlebury and Tufts/Hopkins, etc.
Btw, there are very, very few teams that could knock off Messiah....and maybe none. But if I had to pick two who wouldn't get caught up in a run and gun type game? Middlebury first, and then Amherst.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 04, 2022, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 04, 2022, 02:09:11 PM
There is no need for a neutral to watch Wash U @ Chicago when there are soooooo many games of consequence that actually have real consequences.
I might pop in for a few, just because I haven't really spent any time with them this year.
OK, but please don't decide whether they can give Messiah a game inside of five minutes!
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 04, 2022, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 04, 2022, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 04, 2022, 02:09:11 PM
There is no need for a neutral to watch Wash U @ Chicago when there are soooooo many games of consequence that actually have real consequences.
I might pop in for a few, just because I haven't really spent any time with them this year.
OK, but please don't decide whether they can give Messiah a game inside of five minutes!
:D
MiddWest Conference with one of the craziest finishes of the conference playoffs. Lake Forest down 2-0 to Knox. Lake Forest gets the score back to 2-1. Next a lake Forest player is red carded for throwing a punch. Knox goes up 3-1. Knox's player receives a second yellow card even strength for about 5 minutes. Lake Forest earned another red card in the 88 minute. In the 89 minute Lake Forest scores their second goal with only 48 seconds remaining in the game. With 18 seconds left in the game Lake finds the equalizer. The bears get the game winner in 2ot a man down. Not great soccer but the story line was awesome to watch.
Lake Forest 2nd 81:30 Red card - Dylan Varadi
Knox 2nd 81:33 Yellow card - Luis Lepervanche
Knox 2nd 82:28 Red card - Luis Lepervanche
Lake Forest 2nd 87:50 Red card - Alexis Flores
Scoring summary
Lake Forest 2nd 89:12 Mateus Lima (4) (Elliot Hull) 3 - 2
Lake Forest 2nd 89:42 Mateus Lima (4) (Brett Klemes) 3 - 3
Lake Forest 2OT 100:43 Ryan Khalid (2) (unassisted)
That sounds like it would've been enormously fun to watch as a neutral. (North Park beat both Knox and Lake Forest, so I was indifferent about the outcome.)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 04, 2022, 03:20:01 PM
That sounds like it would've been enormously fun to watch as a neutral. (North Park beat both Knox and Lake Forest, so I was indifferent about the outcome.)
I was an outsider just looking for a game to watch and I saw it. Read the article that is posted.... :)
With the NCAA tournament starting this weekend what game other than the game you are invested in looks most appealing to you to watch?
My game I am going to make sure I watch is St. Lawrence verse Roger Williams. I want to watch because of all the great comments about Sibanda. I want to watch him for myself.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on November 09, 2022, 03:18:02 PM
With the NCAA tournament starting this weekend what game other than the game you are invested in looks most appealing to you to watch?
My game I am going to make sure I watch is St. Lawrence verse Roger Williams. I want to watch because of all the great comments about Sibanda. I want to watch him for myself.
I'll put in a plug for Pacific Lutheran at Mary Hardin-Baylor since most people on this board don't know much about either team. They are both top 20 teams offensively and neither is anything to write home about defensively. Should be an up and down game.
Quote from: Coach Jeff on November 09, 2022, 03:18:02 PM
With the NCAA tournament starting this weekend what game other than the game you are invested in looks most appealing to you to watch?
My game I am going to make sure I watch is St. Lawrence verse Roger Williams. I want to watch because of all the great comments about Sibanda. I want to watch him for myself.
Thanks for checking it out coach Jeff. If SLU survives, then the game to watch Sunday will be the SLU/Amherst game. Hopefully the field will be in decent shape, or they move to turf, so you can see the quality of Sibanda and SLU. They are not a kick and run team. They like to play the beautiful game, sometimes to a fault. Let us know what you think.
Anyone who thinks that Amherst will voluntarily move the game to a different surface that will place the home team at a disadvantage is deluding themselves.
Quote from: College Soccer Observer on November 09, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
Anyone who thinks that Amherst will voluntarily move the game to a different surface that will place the home team at a disadvantage is deluding themselves.
LOL. Maybe the most accurate post in the past week.
I'm breaking things down via Massey in the other thread. From Region 1, in terms of being very close on paper, the MHB v. Pacific Lutheran game shapes really well.
In Region 2, I don't think there's much to argue with Rowan v. Middlebury. That should be a barnburner.
(I haven't gone through the other 2 regions yet... Back in a bit.)
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 09, 2022, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: College Soccer Observer on November 09, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
Anyone who thinks that Amherst will voluntarily move the game to a different surface that will place the home team at a disadvantage is deluding themselves.
LOL. Maybe the most accurate post in the past week.
Yeah, but come tournament time the officials and both coaches have to agree that a surface is playable, no? I don't think Amherst can insist a game be played on an unplayable field if an alternative is right there.
I'm sure folks with more intimate knowledge can chime on the rules around this.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 09, 2022, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 09, 2022, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: College Soccer Observer on November 09, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
Anyone who thinks that Amherst will voluntarily move the game to a different surface that will place the home team at a disadvantage is deluding themselves.
LOL. Maybe the most accurate post in the past week.
Yeah, but come tournament time the officials and both coaches have to agree that a surface is playable, no? I don't think Amherst can insist a game be played on an unplayable field if an alternative is right there.
I'm sure folks with more intimate knowledge can chime on the rules around this.
Give the RPI coach a call.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 09, 2022, 03:54:26 PM
I'm breaking things down via Massey in the other thread. From Region 1, in terms of being very close on paper, the MHB v. Pacific Lutheran game shapes really well.
In Region 2, I don't think there's much to argue with Rowan v. Middlebury. That should be a barnburner.
(I haven't gone through the other 2 regions yet... Back in a bit.)
Region 3 is a tough call... The Calvin v. CMU game and the Case Western v. Muhlenberg games are intriguing.
In Region 4, the Babson v. Vassar absolutely screams off the page. #7 v. 60 in Massey and just seems like 2 quality squads coming to a head there.
The best, most compelling matchups are relatively obvious without Massey.
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 09, 2022, 04:30:29 PM
The best, most compelling matchups are relatively obvious without Massey.
Yeah, it wasn't really why I did that over there... Totally agree. The games that Massey "highlights" were already called about a number of folks.
I don't have the eye test on a decent number of these teams, unlike you and the pollsters, so it helped me understand the context of some of these games. Like the MHB v. PacLu game... I wouldn't know that those two are so highly rated and so close without Massey.
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 09, 2022, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 09, 2022, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: College Soccer Observer on November 09, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
Anyone who thinks that Amherst will voluntarily move the game to a different surface that will place the home team at a disadvantage is deluding themselves.
LOL. Maybe the most accurate post in the past week.
Yeah, but come tournament time the officials and both coaches have to agree that a surface is playable, no? I don't think Amherst can insist a game be played on an unplayable field if an alternative is right there.
I'm sure folks with more intimate knowledge can chime on the rules around this.
I think its usually up to the officials. And they have to decide that the field is unplayable. Its a subtle difference but I think the having the normal baseline being the home team picks the field makes a big difference in these circumstances. Now the officials have to make a conscious decision that the field is not up to standards which is often a high bar to clear. In past cases it seems like unless the field is actually dangerous, not just simply a crappy field, they don't move it.
Anyone remembers that game last year with NYU and Conn College?
Quote from: d4_Pace on November 09, 2022, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 09, 2022, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 09, 2022, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: College Soccer Observer on November 09, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
Anyone who thinks that Amherst will voluntarily move the game to a different surface that will place the home team at a disadvantage is deluding themselves.
LOL. Maybe the most accurate post in the past week.
Yeah, but come tournament time the officials and both coaches have to agree that a surface is playable, no? I don't think Amherst can insist a game be played on an unplayable field if an alternative is right there.
I'm sure folks with more intimate knowledge can chime on the rules around this.
I think its usually up to the officials. And they have to decide that the field is unplayable. Its a subtle difference but I think the having the normal baseline being the home team picks the field makes a big difference in these circumstances. Now the officials have to make a conscious decision that the field is not up to standards which is often a high bar to clear. In past cases it seems like unless the field is actually dangerous, not just simply a crappy field, they don't move it.
Playable or unplayabe really comes down to safety when approaching game time and the officials are present. But given that this weather is forecasted well ahead of the games, I would think the AD's of the host sites would be part of the decision making process and they would also be concerned with the damage that would likely be done to their field.
A few years back, apparently a certain coach, from a certain college, that loves to play on unplayable surfaces went apoplectic when informed that his team would be playing on turf rather than sodden grass.
Is Amherst really going to be afraid of Husson? Or SLU? That they would rather play on an "unplayable" field? They wouldn't rather play a real soccer game and show how good they are?
Of course I am rooting for the boys of SLU and would like to see some exciting games this weekend. Hoping that they are all healthy and they have their striker Pipjers back. He can score from distance. And it looks like the most exciting player on the field, game after game, Max Mogul (7) is back to full strength. Here is hoping that both Amherst and SLU get through the first round and meet Sunday on a quality field.
No, Amherst is not afraid of Husson nor are they afraid of your SLU boys. Anyone who is familiar with coach Serpone knows that he tries to instill the utmost confidence in his squad before every match, however, this doesn't mean that they think they can't be beaten.
To answer your question regarding the "unplayable field"... yes... Amherst is more than willing to play in a mud pit if it means that the other team will have a harder time possessing the ball. Possession heavy soccer is not Amherst's game at all. They would rather have 20% of the ball and score a gritty goal off of a long throw or defensive error caused by their unwavering pressure. If Amherst really want to "show how good they are" they'll be praying that the refs don't move this game to artificial turf. It's not the prettiest style to play but you have to respect their ability to get it done. Not sure how many consecutive sweet sixteens that Amherst has been to, but I highly doubt that SLU will be the group to end that streak, respectfully. To be fair, I know very little about SLU but follow Amherst more closely—not a fan of either.
For those who will be watching the Amherst game (especially those who will see it in person), keep an eye out for Amtics (Amherst antics) on any dead balls. Multiple teams have complained to officials this year that Amherst players are pinching/biting/stepping on opposing players' feet before corners and long throws. I find it pretty hilarious that they're getting away with this. I had the opportunity to watch the nescac semifinals in person this year and there was a point during the second half where a middlebury player yelled toward the ref "he just bit me!" while proceeding to pull up his sleeve to show him teeth marks. In short, Amherst is willing to do just about anything to throw the opponent out of focus and off their game. This does not exclude playing on a shell of a pitch or, apparently, biting the opponent. And if the SLU boys think they'll be taking hot showers in the Amherst locker rooms, well, they've got no idea who they're up against.
"Not sure how many consecutive sweet sixteens that Amherst has been to, but I highly doubt that SLU will be the group to end that streak, respectfully. To be fair, I know very little about SLU but follow Amherst more closely—not a fan of either."
Last 2 teams that kicked Amherst out of the tournament also won the Chip.
Not many people know about SLU, they are a small private upstate school next to Canada.
As for their football, they have done OK since the 1970s(although they took the entire decade of the 80s off to recharge).
I guess we will see this weekend if coaches besides Serpone "instill the utmost confidence in their squad before every match" seems to me they would all try to do that.
Great thing about the tournament is that teams and players have to talk with their feet.
Quote from: Dustin_Patrón on November 10, 2022, 01:07:05 AM
No, Amherst is not afraid of Husson nor are they afraid of your SLU boys. Anyone who is familiar with coach Serpone knows that he tries to instill the utmost confidence in his squad before every match, however, this doesn't mean that they think they can't be beaten.
To answer your question regarding the "unplayable field"... yes... Amherst is more than willing to play in a mud pit if it means that the other team will have a harder time possessing the ball. Possession heavy soccer is not Amherst's game at all. They would rather have 20% of the ball and score a gritty goal off of a long throw or defensive error caused by their unwavering pressure. If Amherst really want to "show how good they are" they'll be praying that the refs don't move this game to artificial turf. It's not the prettiest style to play but you have to respect their ability to get it done. Not sure how many consecutive sweet sixteens that Amherst has been to, but I highly doubt that SLU will be the group to end that streak, respectfully. To be fair, I know very little about SLU but follow Amherst more closely—not a fan of either.
For those who will be watching the Amherst game (especially those who will see it in person), keep an eye out for Amtics (Amherst antics) on any dead balls. Multiple teams have complained to officials this year that Amherst players are pinching/biting/stepping on opposing players' feet before corners and long throws. I find it pretty hilarious that they're getting away with this. I had the opportunity to watch the nescac semifinals in person this year and there was a point during the second half where a middlebury player yelled toward the ref "he just bit me!" while proceeding to pull up his sleeve to show him teeth marks. In short, Amherst is willing to do just about anything to throw the opponent out of focus and off their game. This does not exclude playing on a shell of a pitch or, apparently, biting the opponent. And if the SLU boys think they'll be taking hot showers in the Amherst locker rooms, well, they've got no idea who they're up against.
Agreed and thanks for the color.
As far messy field conditions, that favors a team of Amherst's style when playing strong competition who like to play the ball on the floor. But it might level the playing field a bit for Husson who, with honest respect, just aren't nearly as strong as Amherst. Meaning torrential rain may just narrow the quality gap in this particular game. We'll see.
I've watched my alma mater win a knock out game they never should have won partly due to 25 mph winds and an absurd deflection.
Quote from: Maine Soccer Fan on November 10, 2022, 07:34:01 AM
Quote from: Dustin_Patrón on November 10, 2022, 01:07:05 AM
No, Amherst is not afraid of Husson nor are they afraid of your SLU boys. Anyone who is familiar with coach Serpone knows that he tries to instill the utmost confidence in his squad before every match, however, this doesn't mean that they think they can't be beaten.
To answer your question regarding the "unplayable field"... yes... Amherst is more than willing to play in a mud pit if it means that the other team will have a harder time possessing the ball. Possession heavy soccer is not Amherst's game at all. They would rather have 20% of the ball and score a gritty goal off of a long throw or defensive error caused by their unwavering pressure. If Amherst really want to "show how good they are" they'll be praying that the refs don't move this game to artificial turf. It's not the prettiest style to play but you have to respect their ability to get it done. Not sure how many consecutive sweet sixteens that Amherst has been to, but I highly doubt that SLU will be the group to end that streak, respectfully. To be fair, I know very little about SLU but follow Amherst more closely—not a fan of either.
For those who will be watching the Amherst game (especially those who will see it in person), keep an eye out for Amtics (Amherst antics) on any dead balls. Multiple teams have complained to officials this year that Amherst players are pinching/biting/stepping on opposing players' feet before corners and long throws. I find it pretty hilarious that they're getting away with this. I had the opportunity to watch the nescac semifinals in person this year and there was a point during the second half where a middlebury player yelled toward the ref "he just bit me!" while proceeding to pull up his sleeve to show him teeth marks. In short, Amherst is willing to do just about anything to throw the opponent out of focus and off their game. This does not exclude playing on a shell of a pitch or, apparently, biting the opponent. And if the SLU boys think they'll be taking hot showers in the Amherst locker rooms, well, they've got no idea who they're up against.
Agreed and thanks for the color.
As far messy field conditions, that favors a team of Amherst's style when playing strong competition who like to play the ball on the floor. But it might level the playing field a bit for Husson who, with honest respect, just aren't nearly as strong as Amherst. Meaning torrential rain may just narrow the quality gap in this particular game. We'll see.
I've watched my alma mater win a knock out game they never should have won partly due to 25 mph winds and an absurd deflection.
Its one thing to play on a muddy field. It's another to play on a muddy field in terrible weather. The muddy field would be an advantage for Amherst since they don't necessarily care how the ball gets up top. A muddy field in lousy weather? Well that's equally bad for both teams and neutralizes any advantages... or so that's what I think.
SC.
Quote from: SimpleCoach on November 10, 2022, 07:55:33 AM
Its one thing to play on a muddy field. It's another to play on a muddy field in terrible weather. The muddy field would be an advantage for Amherst since they don't necessarily care how the ball gets up top. A muddy field in lousy weather? Well that's equally bad for both teams and neutralizes any advantages... or so that's what I think.
SC.
Looks like they may be getting all of that and then some. It's supposed to rain Thursday and Friday then:
SATURDAY
Rain likely. Highs in the upper 60s. Temperature falling into the upper 50s in the afternoon. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph, becoming west 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon. Gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.
(modified by GS for formatting)
Quote from: regularguy on November 09, 2022, 02:12:17 PM
hey all - i knew last year someone created a bracket, but haven't seen it yet. i went ahead and created a pool for this season, feel free to join here.
https://www.runyourpool.com/p/j/8da271f5b60243f586c393ea94dc3b62
let me know if you have any thoughts or questions!
Spreading the word on this, as I think it got buried in the thread it was posted.
Let the games begin. Good luck to all the teams and fans. May they play their best and stay free from injuries.
Friday, Nov. 11: All times Eastern
11:00 Greenville at Kenyon
1:30 PM Carnegie Mellon at Calvin
Quote from: Coach Jeff on November 10, 2022, 06:29:09 PM
May they play their best and stay free from injuries.
Amen! UWEC already suffered two broken legs this season. No more injuries please...
Quote from: MNBob on November 10, 2022, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: Coach Jeff on November 10, 2022, 06:29:09 PM
May they play their best and stay free from injuries.
Amen! UWEC already suffered two broken legs this season. No more injuries please...
Ouch!!! I broke my leg and have 8 pins and a plate in it,,,,recovery is hard! How is the recovery going?
Quote from: Coach Jeff on November 10, 2022, 07:13:21 PM
Ouch!!! I broke my leg and have 8 pins and a plate in it,,,,recovery is hard! How is the recovery going?
First happened in September to one of the backup forwards and was a bad break that required pretty immediate surgery. Second happened to one of the starting forwards during the Augsburg game that UWEC lost and then followed up with loss #2 vs St Olaf as the team continued to adjust. Injury happened in the first half and he didn't realize a fracture had started. He tried to come out in the second half and went down the first time he tried to plant and cut. I believe both players continue to heal and the starter had hoped to possibly be back in the middle of this month if the team can advance.
Quote from: Dustin_Patrón on November 10, 2022, 01:07:05 AM
No, Amherst is not afraid of Husson nor are they afraid of your SLU boys. Anyone who is familiar with coach Serpone knows that he tries to instill the utmost confidence in his squad before every match, however, this doesn't mean that they think they can't be beaten.
To answer your question regarding the "unplayable field"... yes... Amherst is more than willing to play in a mud pit if it means that the other team will have a harder time possessing the ball. Possession heavy soccer is not Amherst's game at all. They would rather have 20% of the ball and score a gritty goal off of a long throw or defensive error caused by their unwavering pressure. If Amherst really want to "show how good they are" they'll be praying that the refs don't move this game to artificial turf. It's not the prettiest style to play but you have to respect their ability to get it done. Not sure how many consecutive sweet sixteens that Amherst has been to, but I highly doubt that SLU will be the group to end that streak, respectfully. To be fair, I know very little about SLU but follow Amherst more closely—not a fan of either.
For those who will be watching the Amherst game (especially those who will see it in person), keep an eye out for Amtics (Amherst antics) on any dead balls. Multiple teams have complained to officials this year that Amherst players are pinching/biting/stepping on opposing players' feet before corners and long throws. I find it pretty hilarious that they're getting away with this. I had the opportunity to watch the nescac semifinals in person this year and there was a point during the second half where a middlebury player yelled toward the ref "he just bit me!" while proceeding to pull up his sleeve to show him teeth marks. In short, Amherst is willing to do just about anything to throw the opponent out of focus and off their game. This does not exclude playing on a shell of a pitch or, apparently, biting the opponent. And if the SLU boys think they'll be taking hot showers in the Amherst locker rooms, well, they've got no idea who they're up against.
It kind of shocking to me that the NCAA does not set any standards regarding the fields. Why do they leave it up to the host and then the refs. If Amherst wants to host they should have to play on their turf field after a rain storm.
Quote from: coach analytics on November 10, 2022, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: Dustin_Patrón on November 10, 2022, 01:07:05 AM
No, Amherst is not afraid of Husson nor are they afraid of your SLU boys. Anyone who is familiar with coach Serpone knows that he tries to instill the utmost confidence in his squad before every match, however, this doesn't mean that they think they can't be beaten.
To answer your question regarding the "unplayable field"... yes... Amherst is more than willing to play in a mud pit if it means that the other team will have a harder time possessing the ball. Possession heavy soccer is not Amherst's game at all. They would rather have 20% of the ball and score a gritty goal off of a long throw or defensive error caused by their unwavering pressure. If Amherst really want to "show how good they are" they'll be praying that the refs don't move this game to artificial turf. It's not the prettiest style to play but you have to respect their ability to get it done. Not sure how many consecutive sweet sixteens that Amherst has been to, but I highly doubt that SLU will be the group to end that streak, respectfully. To be fair, I know very little about SLU but follow Amherst more closely—not a fan of either.
For those who will be watching the Amherst game (especially those who will see it in person), keep an eye out for Amtics (Amherst antics) on any dead balls. Multiple teams have complained to officials this year that Amherst players are pinching/biting/stepping on opposing players' feet before corners and long throws. I find it pretty hilarious that they're getting away with this. I had the opportunity to watch the nescac semifinals in person this year and there was a point during the second half where a middlebury player yelled toward the ref "he just bit me!" while proceeding to pull up his sleeve to show him teeth marks. In short, Amherst is willing to do just about anything to throw the opponent out of focus and off their game. This does not exclude playing on a shell of a pitch or, apparently, biting the opponent. And if the SLU boys think they'll be taking hot showers in the Amherst locker rooms, well, they've got no idea who they're up against.
It kind of shocking to me that the NCAA does not set any standards regarding the fields. Why do they leave it up to the host and then the refs. If Amherst wants to host they should have to play on their turf field after a rain storm.
Here what I expect to happen - tomorrow's games will be on the turf, but Sundays games will be on the grass field. This is deja vu for me because this could be very similar to what happened to my son's St. Joseph's (ME) team in 2018, also at Amherst. There was rain on Friday so Saturday's games were on Amherst's turf field. St. Joe's was able to overcome Middlebury 2-1 with a late goal and we were cautiously optimistic about Sunday's game against Amherst. Until we found out that Sunday was going to be on the grass. Honestly, I don't know how that field in 2018 was deemed playable because it was awful. There was no standing water, but there was mud and combined with the long grass it made the pitch a nightmare. That doesn't bother Amherst, though, because they play the ball in the air and count on their superior height to overcome smaller teams that might be able to advance the ball on a turf field but can't do that on Amherst's wet and muddy grass pitch.
Now my son is a grad assistant coach at SLU and I would be shocked if Amherst won't insist that Sunday's game be played on their grass field.
Amherst lists their game at 11:00 tomorrow at Gooding Field, which is their turf field. I can't find any mention of a field for Roger Williams/Saint Lawrence, but it should be the same field.
I heard that the SLU/RW game is on the turf field as well. The weather should be high 60's and partly sunny at game time for both games with the rain stopping by 10am. Chance of rain Sunday. If the grass field is bad, hopefully the Amherst coach will have the balls to play soccer against either SLU or RW on a playable field on Sunday. Just sayin.
Quote from: Dustin_Patrón on November 10, 2022, 01:07:05 AM
No, Amherst is not afraid of Husson nor are they afraid of your SLU boys. Anyone who is familiar with coach Serpone knows that he tries to instill the utmost confidence in his squad before every match, however, this doesn't mean that they think they can't be beaten.
To answer your question regarding the "unplayable field"... yes... Amherst is more than willing to play in a mud pit if it means that the other team will have a harder time possessing the ball. Possession heavy soccer is not Amherst's game at all. They would rather have 20% of the ball and score a gritty goal off of a long throw or defensive error caused by their unwavering pressure. If Amherst really want to "show how good they are" they'll be praying that the refs don't move this game to artificial turf. It's not the prettiest style to play but you have to respect their ability to get it done. Not sure how many consecutive sweet sixteens that Amherst has been to, but I highly doubt that SLU will be the group to end that streak, respectfully. To be fair, I know very little about SLU but follow Amherst more closely—not a fan of either.
For those who will be watching the Amherst game (especially those who will see it in person), keep an eye out for Amtics (Amherst antics) on any dead balls. Multiple teams have complained to officials this year that Amherst players are pinching/biting/stepping on opposing players' feet before corners and long throws. I find it pretty hilarious that they're getting away with this. I had the opportunity to watch the nescac semifinals in person this year and there was a point during the second half where a middlebury player yelled toward the ref "he just bit me!" while proceeding to pull up his sleeve to show him teeth marks. In short, Amherst is willing to do just about anything to throw the opponent out of focus and off their game. This does not exclude playing on a shell of a pitch or, apparently, biting the opponent. And if the SLU boys think they'll be taking hot showers in the Amherst locker rooms, well, they've got no idea who they're up against.
And the referee examined the wound, found traces of wolf-like incision and then after checking with the NCAA CSI team, quickly established the identity of the biter and sent him off the field. Or as actually happened, took no further action because no bite took place. It was arguably a case of deception on the Midd player's part...
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Quote from: EnmoreCat on November 11, 2022, 11:34:10 PM
Quote from: Dustin_Patrón on November 10, 2022, 01:07:05 AM
No, Amherst is not afraid of Husson nor are they afraid of your SLU boys. Anyone who is familiar with coach Serpone knows that he tries to instill the utmost confidence in his squad before every match, however, this doesn't mean that they think they can't be beaten.
To answer your question regarding the "unplayable field"... yes... Amherst is more than willing to play in a mud pit if it means that the other team will have a harder time possessing the ball. Possession heavy soccer is not Amherst's game at all. They would rather have 20% of the ball and score a gritty goal off of a long throw or defensive error caused by their unwavering pressure. If Amherst really want to "show how good they are" they'll be praying that the refs don't move this game to artificial turf. It's not the prettiest style to play but you have to respect their ability to get it done. Not sure how many consecutive sweet sixteens that Amherst has been to, but I highly doubt that SLU will be the group to end that streak, respectfully. To be fair, I know very little about SLU but follow Amherst more closely—not a fan of either.
For those who will be watching the Amherst game (especially those who will see it in person), keep an eye out for Amtics (Amherst antics) on any dead balls. Multiple teams have complained to officials this year that Amherst players are pinching/biting/stepping on opposing players' feet before corners and long throws. I find it pretty hilarious that they're getting away with this. I had the opportunity to watch the nescac semifinals in person this year and there was a point during the second half where a middlebury player yelled toward the ref "he just bit me!" while proceeding to pull up his sleeve to show him teeth marks. In short, Amherst is willing to do just about anything to throw the opponent out of focus and off their game. This does not exclude playing on a shell of a pitch or, apparently, biting the opponent. And if the SLU boys think they'll be taking hot showers in the Amherst locker rooms, well, they've got no idea who they're up against.
And the referee examined the wound, found traces of wolf-like incision and then after checking with the NCAA CSI team, quickly established the identity of the biter and sent him off the field. Or as actually happened, took no further action because no bite took place. It was arguably a case of deception on the Midd player's part...
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I can understand being biased when talking about your team and their on-field ability but your assumptions regarding their dead ball behavior seem unnecessary. You have no idea whether or not a bite did occur in the game... you were watching the stream, no? I think it's a bit ridiculous of you to mock the situation and deny any legitimacy as if you somehow know the truth of it.
Although I didn't see the actual bite and thus, cannot argue for whether or not it actually occurred, I did see a bunch of Amherst pinching/grabbing/bear hugging/stepping on feet before almost every corner kick, as I was in attendance. Interested to hear if you had a better view on the screen and would like to deny any of those reports.
Quote from: Dustin_Patrón on November 12, 2022, 11:15:55 AMAlthough I didn't see the actual bite and thus, cannot argue for whether or not it actually occurred, I did see a bunch of Amherst pinching/grabbing/bear hugging/stepping on feet before almost every corner kick, as I was in attendance. Interested to hear if you had a better view on the screen and would like to deny any of those reports.
That kind of behavior (it's not "play") is ridiculous. UWEC had a game where an opponent reached around and grabbed/squeezed the balls of one of the UWEC players on a corner who was fighting for position in front of the keeper. Fortunately he did it with direct line of sight to the AR and a red card was given. I was only watching via stream (no sound) but it was hilarious to see the CR walking toward the opposing coach, holding out his hand and mimicking a squeezing motion with his palm upward as the opposing coach was asking for an explanation.
Quote from: Dustin_Patrón on November 12, 2022, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: EnmoreCat on November 11, 2022, 11:34:10 PM
Quote from: Dustin_Patrón on November 10, 2022, 01:07:05 AM
No, Amherst is not afraid of Husson nor are they afraid of your SLU boys. Anyone who is familiar with coach Serpone knows that he tries to instill the utmost confidence in his squad before every match, however, this doesn't mean that they think they can't be beaten.
To answer your question regarding the "unplayable field"... yes... Amherst is more than willing to play in a mud pit if it means that the other team will have a harder time possessing the ball. Possession heavy soccer is not Amherst's game at all. They would rather have 20% of the ball and score a gritty goal off of a long throw or defensive error caused by their unwavering pressure. If Amherst really want to "show how good they are" they'll be praying that the refs don't move this game to artificial turf. It's not the prettiest style to play but you have to respect their ability to get it done. Not sure how many consecutive sweet sixteens that Amherst has been to, but I highly doubt that SLU will be the group to end that streak, respectfully. To be fair, I know very little about SLU but follow Amherst more closely—not a fan of either.
For those who will be watching the Amherst game (especially those who will see it in person), keep an eye out for Amtics (Amherst antics) on any dead balls. Multiple teams have complained to officials this year that Amherst players are pinching/biting/stepping on opposing players' feet before corners and long throws. I find it pretty hilarious that they're getting away with this. I had the opportunity to watch the nescac semifinals in person this year and there was a point during the second half where a middlebury player yelled toward the ref "he just bit me!" while proceeding to pull up his sleeve to show him teeth marks. In short, Amherst is willing to do just about anything to throw the opponent out of focus and off their game. This does not exclude playing on a shell of a pitch or, apparently, biting the opponent. And if the SLU boys think they'll be taking hot showers in the Amherst locker rooms, well, they've got no idea who they're up against.
And the referee examined the wound, found traces of wolf-like incision and then after checking with the NCAA CSI team, quickly established the identity of the biter and sent him off the field. Or as actually happened, took no further action because no bite took place. It was arguably a case of deception on the Midd player's part...
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I can understand being biased when talking about your team and their on-field ability but your assumptions regarding their dead ball behavior seem unnecessary. You have no idea whether or not a bite did occur in the game... you were watching the stream, no? I think it's a bit ridiculous of you to mock the situation and deny any legitimacy as if you somehow know the truth of it.
Although I didn't see the actual bite and thus, cannot argue for whether or not it actually occurred, I did see a bunch of Amherst pinching/grabbing/bear hugging/stepping on feet before almost every corner kick, as I was in attendance. Interested to hear if you had a better view on the screen and would like to deny any of those reports.
I have known the Amherst player involved for a bit over twenty years. I am confident I know what happened...
What do you know! SLU hotel right by the Amherst campus had the fire alarm pulled at 4am!
Are these the Amherst Amtics?! Is Amherst that afraid of the boys from Canton that they need to play against a bunch of sleepless players after finishing an overtime game? WOW!