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Title: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Saint of Old on November 30, 2022, 05:30:43 PM
Congrats to all who made the cut.
It is not an easy thing to achieve this honor.
A special shoutout to the players picked still who are still participating. Talking to you Josh Kirkland (Although Castillo should be there as well).

It also gives me great pleasure to say big up to the African Saint Marvin Sibanda who in my opinion will likely leave the program as arguably one of the best to ever touch it!

Well done one and all.
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: FBALLISLIFE on November 30, 2022, 05:51:03 PM


First Team



   














PosNameClassSchool
KPuma GalvanJr. Wisc Lutheran
DRichard GillespieSr. Chicago
DJake Lent-KoopSr. Messiah
DDylan ReidSr. Bowdoin
MBruno AndinoSr. Stevens
MPierce GallawaySr. Willamette
MLuke GroothoffSr. Messiah
MMichael KutsanziraSr. Washington & Lee
MMarvin SibandaSr. St. Lawrence
FJesus AlemanJr. St. Thomas (Texas)
FNathan DonovanSo. Wisconsin-Eau Claire
FLucas FecciSr. SUNY Oneonta
FMatt McDonaldSr. Messiah
FAda OkorogheyeJr. Amherst
FJoseph ThongsythavongSr. Norwich
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: FBALLISLIFE on November 30, 2022, 05:59:19 PM

Second Team


 
   














PosNameClassSchool
KNate HannaSr. SUNY Oneonta
DZach ShunnarahSr. Sewanee
DTyler SmithSr. Washington & Lee
DTim TreinenGR-5Johns Hopkins
MOliver AkintadeJr.Calvin
MScott UptonSr. Kenyon
MCaleb UrbanSr. Rose-Hulman
FAnder CastilloSo. Medaille
FTakezo KellySr.Rose-Hulman
FAmer LukovicSo.Montclair State
FLuke MegaSr.Lynchburg
FBlake PerrySr.Wisc.-Superior
FChris SchauSr.Calvin
FDarius SiahpooshSr.Catholic
FBen WilliamsGR-5Babson
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: FBALLISLIFE on November 30, 2022, 06:06:24 PM
Third Team


 
   















PosNameClassSchool
KWesley SandersSr.Gustavus Adolphus
DSteven ArthurSo.Milwaukee Eng.
DNick BoardmanSr.Williams
DIzac ColemanJr.John Carroll
MShay AdamsonSr.Franklin & Marshall
MSam BassSr. Washington & Lee
MJavier BeltranSr.Roger Williams
MVictor GaulminJr.St. Olaf
MJulian JuantorenaJr.Bowdoin
MMatthew VatneJr.Case Western
MNick VillanuevaSr.Mary Hardin-Baylor
MAidan WesterbergJr.North Central
FDaniel CastroSo.St. Thomas (Tex.)
FLuis GreenSr.Tex. Lutheran
FJosh KirklandSr.Mary Washington
FAdam SilvaGR-5Stevens
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 30, 2022, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: FBALLISLIFE on November 30, 2022, 06:06:24 PM

Third Team


 
   















PosNameClassSchool
KWesley SandersSr.Gustavus Adolphus
DSteven ArthurSo.Milwaukee
DNick BoardmanSr.Williams
DIzac ColemanJr.John Carroll
MShay AdamsonSr.Franklin & Marshall
MSam BassSr. Washington & Lee
MJavier BeltranSr.Roger Williams
MVictor GaulminJr.St. Olaf
MJulian JuantorenaJr.Bowdoin
MMatthew VatneJr.Case Western
MNick VillanuevaSr.Mary Hardin-Baylor
MAidan WesterbergJr.North Central
FDaniel CastroSo.St. Thomas (Tex.)
FLuis GreenSr.Tex. Lutheran
FJosh KirklandSr.Mary Washington
FAdam SilvaGR-5Stevens

Steven Arthur played for Milwaukee School of Engineering, to be exact about it. (just so that's not mistaken for D1 UW-Milwaukee).
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: soccerpapa on December 01, 2022, 11:25:43 AM
Any obvious deletions?  Any other "odd" additions?
When does the D3 All-American List come out/
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: FBALLISLIFE on December 01, 2022, 11:46:49 AM
Quote from: soccerpapa on December 01, 2022, 11:25:43 AM
Any obvious deletions?  Any other "odd" additions?
When does the D3 All-American List come out/

I have not had the chance to really study the list, but the first thing that jumped out at me was the paucity of defenders.  Obviously, defenders don't generally get the love, but there are only 9 on the list in total and only 3 on the First Team.  This compares with 13 total and 5 on the First Team last year.  You might say there was just a different mix of top players this year, but the total number of the First Team also dropped from 16 to 15.  Could have added a fourth defender for free. 

Just looking at schools, unless I miscounted, Messiah and W&L led with three each, whereas the entire NESCAC earned only 4. 

Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: FBALLISLIFE on December 01, 2022, 12:08:31 PM

Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 30, 2022, 06:40:11 PM


Quote
Steven Arthur played for Milwaukee School of Engineering, to be exact about it. (just so that's not mistaken for D1 UW-Milwaukee).


Fixed
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Kuiper on December 01, 2022, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: soccerpapa on December 01, 2022, 11:25:43 AM
Any obvious deletions?  Any other "odd" additions?
When does the D3 All-American List come out/

I wouldn't call this an obvious omission, but it was interesting that Richard Gillespie of Chicago is a first team AA, but Griffin Wada isn't on any of the lists.  They were both first team All Region, not that this means Wada should make an AA team, but I do wonder how voters separated the two.  My guess is that they used offensive stats - Gillespie has 2 goals and 3 assists whereas Wada has only 2 assists - rather than made any kind of considered review of their defensive performance over the season.  Not exactly fair for a defender, but may also explain the fewer defenders this year if it turns out that the other defenders who made the list also seemed to have some goals/assists to their names.
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: blue_jays on December 01, 2022, 03:59:25 PM
Quote from: Kuiper on December 01, 2022, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: soccerpapa on December 01, 2022, 11:25:43 AM
Any obvious deletions?  Any other "odd" additions?
When does the D3 All-American List come out/

I wouldn't call this an obvious omission, but it was interesting that Richard Gillespie of Chicago is a first team AA, but Griffin Wada isn't on any of the lists.  They were both first team All Region, not that this means Wada should make an AA team, but I do wonder how voters separated the two.  My guess is that they used offensive stats - Gillespie has 2 goals and 3 assists whereas Wada has only 2 assists - rather than made any kind of considered review of their defensive performance over the season.  Not exactly fair for a defender, but may also explain the fewer defenders this year if it turns out that the other defenders who made the list also seemed to have some goals/assists to their names.

Wada and Gillespie are the ying and yang of that defense, pretty inseparable in terms of the impact they have. It's just Gillespie is flashier because he's more of an athlete and runs to the attack and can be a focal point on set pieces. They did Wada dirty. But the USC awards are barely legitimate anyway, they screw up every year.
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Christan Shirk on December 02, 2022, 11:37:16 AM
At the outset of the season, Jim Hutchinson and I (aka D3soccer.com) did not plan to do the Top 25 or All-America teams this year. We ended up doing the Top 25, but as of yesterday we still had no plan to do the All-America teams. Today, however, I can share that we will do our best to name All-America teams one last time. After keeping the website running one more season than we intended, albeit without any columns or articles, it felt wrong to not close the season with All-America teams. That said, we have no set timetable. Our families and personal well-being will come first during the holiday season. So I wouldn't expect the teams to be released any earlier than in most recent years (i.e., a month into the new year).

Over the years we have appreciated the interest in our rankings and awards and the compliments we recieve. We believe and are told that both are positive additions to the D-III soccer community. We have always striven to do the best we can and have enjoyed providing an alternate to the NSCAA/USC rankings and awards. While we won't miss the long hours and sacrifices that were required to pull off many of the things we have done at D3soccer.com, we will miss the satisfaction of contributing to the D-III soccer community in a meaningful way. And we genuinely and earnestly hope that the things we had a hand in over the years continue to exist and evolve in some form, whether through a revitalized D3soccer.com or something competely new.

So, be patient with us, but keep your eyes out for All-America teams in the new year.
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: blue_jays on December 02, 2022, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: Christan Shirk on December 02, 2022, 11:37:16 AM
At the outset of the season, Jim Hutchinson and I (aka D3soccer.com) did not plan to do the Top 25 or All-America teams this year. We ended up doing the Top 25, but as of yesterday we still had no plan to do the All-America teams. Today, however, I can announce that we will do our best to name All-America teams one last time. After keeping the website running one more season than we intended, albeit without any columns or articles, it felt wrong to not close the season with All-America teams. That said, we have no set timetable. Our families and personal well-being will come first during the holiday season. So I wouldn't expect the teams to be released any earlier than in most recent years (i.e., a month into the new year).

Over the years we have appreciated the interest in our rankings and awards and the compliments we recieve. We believe and are told that both are positive additions to the D-III soccer community. We have always striven to do the best we can and have enjoyed providing an alternate to the NSCAA/USC rankings and awards. While we won't miss the long hours and sacrifices that were required to pull off many of the things we have done at D3soccer.com, we will miss the satisfaction of contributing to the D-III soccer community in a meaningful way. And we genuinely and earnestly hope that the things we had a hand in over the years continue to exist and evolve in some form, whether through a revitalized D3soccer.com or something competely new.

So, be patient with us, but keep your eyes out for All-America teams in the new year.

Much appreciated, Christan. I find the D3soccer.com All-American teams to always be an improvement and much more legitimate over the goofy coaches association version.
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 02, 2022, 02:42:48 PM
I said this last year, and I'll say it again this year: Every season you look at the D3soccer.com All-American team and the USC All-American team, and it's blindingly obvious to anyone who follows D3 soccer that the former and (most definitely) not the latter is the gold standard in D3 soccer honors.
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Shankly’s Disciple on December 02, 2022, 03:20:12 PM
Without intending any disrespect to any players listed on the All American teams, I'll make the case for one adjustment and one inclusion. Williams Captain Nick Boardman is listed on the 3rd team. His play all season and certainly on Williams' deep NCAA run have made Williams nearly impossible to score against and makes the case for him to be included as high as the first team.

Similarly, the other key defensive contributor for Williams is Ben Diffley, whom I would suggest is arguably the best goalkeeper in DIII. He's tall at 6'5" and dominant in his box while also being an extremely athletic and agile shot stopper. The Williams soccer stats page lists Diffley with a .896 save percentage and 14 clean sheets. And that's while playing the most difficult 2022 schedule in the country.

Quote from: soccerpapa on December 01, 2022, 11:25:43 AM
Any obvious deletions?  Any other "odd" additions?
When does the D3 All-American List come out/
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: soccerpapa on December 02, 2022, 04:24:09 PM
So being new here what is the difference bewteen the D3 soccer and coaches All -American?  I would assume they would be similar....However, at the same time, I am sure there is some coaching bias (I will vote for your player you vote for mine) that affects results just as there are biases on this forum towards certain teams/coaches.

Bottom line is there will always be bias/subjectivity in a sport such as soccer and that is what makes for great debate.   Is scoring goals more important than making the run that opens up space for a teammate, hustling back once control of possession is lost (hustle).  Soccer is a simple game yet at the same time very complex.  Casual observers rarely see the little things that players do that make them special. 

If only soccer was like track and field where All Americans are the top finishers at National event...but then there would be no forum to discuss. 

Will be interested to see the D3 All-American List

Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: SimpleCoach on December 02, 2022, 05:54:53 PM
How Marcos Villa of Luther didn't make one of the teams is beyond me.

SC.
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: NEsoccerfan on December 03, 2022, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: SimpleCoach on December 02, 2022, 05:54:53 PM
How Marcos Villa of Luther didn't make one of the teams is beyond me.

SC.

This^! 16 goals and 13 assists. Are you kidding me?
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Christan Shirk on April 05, 2023, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: Christan Shirk on December 02, 2022, 11:37:16 AM
At the outset of the season, Jim Hutchinson and I (aka D3soccer.com) did not plan to do the Top 25 or All-America teams this year. We ended up doing the Top 25, but as of yesterday we still had no plan to do the All-America teams. Today, however, I can share that we will do our best to name All-America teams one last time. After keeping the website running one more season than we intended, albeit without any columns or articles, it felt wrong to not close the season with All-America teams. That said, we have no set timetable. Our families and personal well-being will come first during the holiday season. So I wouldn't expect the teams to be released any earlier than in most recent years (i.e., a month into the new year).

Over the years we have appreciated the interest in our rankings and awards and the compliments we recieve. We believe and are told that both are positive additions to the D-III soccer community. We have always striven to do the best we can and have enjoyed providing an alternate to the NSCAA/USC rankings and awards. While we won't miss the long hours and sacrifices that were required to pull off many of the things we have done at D3soccer.com, we will miss the satisfaction of contributing to the D-III soccer community in a meaningful way. And we genuinely and earnestly hope that the things we had a hand in over the years continue to exist and evolve in some form, whether through a revitalized D3soccer.com or something competely new.

So, be patient with us, but keep your eyes out for All-America teams in the new year.

So . . . here we are four months later and finally, yes finally, the 2022 D3soccer.com Men's All-America teams will be released tomorrow by 1:00 pm ET, possibly earlier. We are as disappointed as anyone that they are so extremely late, and we know that they may not even be considered newsworthy at this point, but once we got part way through the process, we felt we had to see it through even if in fits and starts. It just felt like the website needed the teams to be able to properly close the chapter on the 2022 season. Or maybe it was just my perfectionistic/OCD tendencies!

In recent years, my colleague Jim Hutchinson takes the lead on the women and I on the men to develop a rough first draft of the teams with a short list of alternates at each position. Then we collaborate to get a different take and perspective on things and make sure we aren't overlooking something/someone or letting personal preferences and biases cloud our judgement. And throughout the process we are reaching out to numerous coaches to discuss players they faced as well as looking for the inside scoop on their own players if any are in the mix. Jim kept on schedule with the women's teams in January, but I unfortunately did not for the men. In February I finally was able to carve out time to work on the men's teams while Jim was up to his eyeballs with other commitments. Only in March did we find time to collaborate on and off and have the back and forth and additional deep dives and conversations with coaches to finalize the selections. And the past week has been about preparing the releases and giving advance notice to all the SIDs and coaches of the selected players.

To make the teams happen despite not being able to invest nearly as much time as in years past, we said we could live with less deep dives, less phone calls with coaches, etc., but in the end it was very hard to shortcut the process and sacrifice the confidence we normally have in our selections. This year as every year, many excellent and possibly deserving players did not make our cut, some that maybe were on an earlier draft or might have made it onto the teams had we spent even more time comparing and analyzing and getting additional input and perspectives. And while always reasonably confident that our selections are solid and defensible, even we continue to second guess some selections/omissions (e.g. Steve Yeonas in 2021), placement within the teams, and POY honors long after the fact. It's humbling to take on this task each year and we are well aware of our fallibility.

Anyway, I am rambling, probably because it's somewhat bittersweet to know this is the end of the road for Jim Hutchinson and myself. But the point is that the teams will be announced on the website by 1:00 pm ET tomorrow. Even if extremely belated, we're glad to be able to recognize and honor 33 men's and 33 women's players who had excellent seasons, especially those who did not get selected by the United Soccer Coaches. I don't expect a lot of discussion, especially this far into the off-season, but feedback—positive or negative—is always welcome. We take no offense to being told we such have selected so-and-so.  Just try not to take your disagreements with us out on the players selected.

P.S. The women's All-America teams were released today if anyone was interested: https://d3soccer.com/awards/all-america/2022/2022-Womens-AA
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 05, 2023, 05:33:42 PM
Thank you and Jim for persevering to get teams out, and sincere thanks for all you have done over the years to support the sport and the site.  You will be missed, Christian. 
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Ejay on April 05, 2023, 06:46:03 PM
I can only imagine how difficult a task it is. Thank you for all that you've done.
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Christan Shirk on April 06, 2023, 10:03:39 AM
2022 D3soccer.com Men's All-America teams
http://www.d3soccer.com/awards/all-america/2022/2022-Mens-AA

2022 MEN'S PLAYERS OF THE YEAR

Forward of the Year:  Matt McDonald (Sr.), Messiah

Midfielder of the Year:  Marvin Sibanda (Sr.), St. Lawrence

Co-Defenders of the Year:  Griffin Wada (Sr.), Chicago  &  Richard Gillespie (Sr.), Chicago

Goalkeeper of the Year:  Ben Diffley (Jr.), Williams

2022 MEN'S ALL-AMERICANS

FIRST TEAM
    F   
Matt McDonald
    Sr.   
Messiah
    F   
Josh Kirkland
    Sr.   
Mary Washington
    M   
Marvin Sibanda *
    Sr.   
St. Lawrence
    M   
Luke Groothoff *
    Gr.   
Messiah
    M   
Michael Kutsanzira *     
    Sr.   
Washington and Lee
    M   
Victor Gaulmin *
    Jr.   
St. Olaf
    D   
Griffin Wada *
    Sr.   
Chicago
    D   
Richard Gillespie *
    Sr.   
Chicago
    D   
Tim Treinen
    Gr.   
Johns Hopkins
    D   
Nick Boardman
    Sr.   
Williams
    GK   
Ben Diffley
    Jr.   
Williams

SECOND TEAM
    F   
Nathan Donovan
    So.   
UW-Eau Claire
    F   
Marcos Vila
    5th   
Luther
    F/M   
Shea Bechtel
    So.   
St. Olaf
    M   
Samuel Bass *
    Sr.   
Washington and Lee
    M   
Bruno Andino
    Sr.   
Stevens
    M   
Matt Vatne
    Sr.   
Case Western Reserve
    M   
Julian Juantorena       
    Sr.   
Bowdoin
    D   
Jake Lent-Koop *
    Sr.   
Messiah
    D   
Dylan Reid
    Sr.   
Bowdoin
    D   
Ian Daly
    Sr.   
Tufts
    GK   
Wesley Sanders
    Sr.   
Gustavus Adolphus

THIRD TEAM
    F   
Arkan Tahsildaroglu
    Jr.   
New York University
    F   
Taty Aleman
    Jr.   
St. Thomas (Texas)
    F   
Darius Siahpoosh
    Sr.   
Catholic
    M   
Scott Upton *
    Sr.   
Kenyon
    M   
Mason Smith
    Sr.   
Calvin
    M   
Chad Yates
    Jr.   
Rowan
    M   
Naz Kabanni
    Sr.   
Chicago
    D   
Tyler Smith
    Sr.   
Washington and Lee
    D   
Aidan Burns
    Jr.   
Kenyon
    D   
Alexandru Rumleanschi
    Gr.   
Case Western Reserve
    GK   
Justin Cross
    Sr.   
Stevens
* previous D3soccer.com All-America honors

2022 MEN'S COACH OF THE YEAR
Julianne Sitch  |  Chicago (22-0-1)  |  2022 National Champion
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Hopkins92 on April 06, 2023, 11:08:46 AM
Thanks to you and Jim, Christan! Obviously, this tight community cares a great deal about all you have done over the years and this year is no exception. Legends!

(Also, if you're wondering if people outside of this board are paying attention, Hopkins' athletic site had the Weiler and Woodard selections in a front and center story on their homepage yesterday. I suspect there will be a story on Treinen in short order. So... You still got it!)
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Kuiper on April 06, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: Christan Shirk on April 06, 2023, 10:03:39 AM
2022 D3soccer.com Men's All-America teams
http://www.d3soccer.com/awards/all-america/2022/2022-Mens-AA

2022 MEN'S PLAYERS OF THE YEAR

Forward of the Year:  Matt McDonald (Sr.), Messiah

Midfielder of the Year:  Marvin Sibanda (Sr.), St. Lawrence

Co-Defenders of the Year:  Griffin Wada (Sr.), Chicago  &  Richard Gillespie (Sr.), Chicago

Goalkeeper of the Year:  Ben Diffley (Jr.), Williams

2022 MEN'S ALL-AMERICANS

FIRST TEAM
    F   
Matt McDonald
    Sr.   
Messiah
    F   
Josh Kirkland
    Sr.   
Mary Washington
    M   
Marvin Sibanda *
    Sr.   
St. Lawrence
    M   
Luke Groothoff *
    Gr.   
Messiah
    M   
Michael Kutsanzira *     
    Sr.   
Washington and Lee
    M   
Victor Gaulmin *
    Jr.   
St. Olaf
    D   
Griffin Wada *
    Sr.   
Chicago
    D   
Richard Gillespie *
    Sr.   
Chicago
    D   
Tim Treinen
    Gr.   
Johns Hopkins
    D   
Nick Boardman
    Sr.   
Williams
    GK   
Ben Diffley
    Jr.   
Williams

SECOND TEAM
    F   
Nathan Donovan
    So.   
UW-Eau Claire
    F   
Marcos Vila
    5th   
Luther
    F/M   
Shea Bechtel
    So.   
St. Olaf
    M   
Samuel Bass *
    Sr.   
Washington and Lee
    M   
Bruno Andino
    Sr.   
Stevens
    M   
Matt Vatne
    Sr.   
Case Western Reserve
    M   
Julian Juantorena       
    Sr.   
Bowdoin
    D   
Jake Lent-Koop *
    Sr.   
Messiah
    D   
Dylan Reid
    Sr.   
Bowdoin
    D   
Ian Daly
    Sr.   
Tufts
    GK   
Wesley Sanders
    Sr.   
Gustavus Adolphus

THIRD TEAM
    F   
Arkan Tahsildaroglu
    Jr.   
New York University
    F   
Taty Aleman
    Jr.   
St. Thomas (Texas)
    F   
Darius Siahpoosh
    Sr.   
Catholic
    M   
Scott Upton *
    Sr.   
Kenyon
    M   
Mason Smith
    Sr.   
Calvin
    M   
Chad Yates
    Jr.   
Rowan
    M   
Naz Kabanni
    Sr.   
Chicago
    D   
Tyler Smith
    Sr.   
Washington and Lee
    D   
Aidan Burns
    Jr.   
Kenyon
    D   
Alexandru Rumleanschi
    Gr.   
Case Western Reserve
    GK   
Justin Cross
    Sr.   
Stevens
* previous D3soccer.com All-America honors

2022 MEN'S COACH OF THE YEAR
Julianne Sitch  |  Chicago (22-0-1)  |  2022 National Champion

I particularly like the decision to name Wada and Gillespie co-Defenders of the Year.  United Soccer Coaches named Gillespie first team and left off Wada altogether from all three All American teams, when anyone who had watched Chicago for more than a few games knew that separating out Gillespie and Wada that way was fairly arbitrary from a defensive perspective.  They were so good last season because of how they worked together and complemented each other's strengths.  Gillespie couldn't have gone on his forays in attack or taken risks with his passes if he didn't have a rock solid defender like Wada to back him up and Wada might not have been able to be as aggressive going after head balls on defense if he didn't know that Gillespie could back him up.

I'm not sure I would have named Diffley GK of the year, but he definitely deserved some recognition.  The focus on regional representation (which, as a resident of region X, I can appreciate) results in some of the head scratchers on the USC list (including a player who exclusively came off the bench until halfway through the season being named 3rd team All American)
Title: Re: 2022 All Americans
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 06, 2023, 09:53:37 PM
It's bittersweet to see the final d3soccer.com All-American team. As I've said numerous times on this site, the d3soccer.com team is the gold standard. Knowing that we'll only have the USC team going forward means knowing that we're going to be stuck with a much more methodologically flawed and less painstakingly prepared end product as far as D3 soccer All-American teams are concerned.

My warmest admiration and appreciation goes out to Christan and Jim for all of their work over the years.