https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/rankings/college-rankings/ncaa-diii-men/
Curious for those in the loop longer - is it mostly a summary of how last year's tournament shook out?
Quote from: Newenglander on August 02, 2023, 08:55:23 AM
https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/rankings/college-rankings/ncaa-diii-men/
Curious for those in the loop longer - is it mostly a summary of how last year's tournament shook out?
The link doesn't work for me, so they may have taken it down for the moment, but it generally is a reproduction of the year-end post-tournament poll or how the tournament finished. So, Chicago, Williams, etc.
The preseason polls to watch will be the ones conferences do for just the teams in their conference. Coaches usually have the best sense of what is going on in terms of comings and goings among their conference opponents (which isn't to say they get it right in terms of how things finish). Those usually come out at the end of August, right before the season begins. Here are some examples:
SCIAC from August 25, 2022
https://www.goredlands.com/sports/msoc/2022-23/releases/20220825ry3evs
NCAC from August 18, 2022
https://owu_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/files/ms/2022/2022%20NCAC%20Men%27s%20Soccer%20Preseason%20Poll.pdf
ODAC from Aug. 26, 2022
https://www.odaconline.com/sports/msoc/2022-23/releases/082622-msoc-preseasonpoll
Centennial Conference from Aug. 30, 2022
https://centennial.org/news/2022/8/30/8_30_2022_132.aspx
NATIONAL - PRE-SEASON POLL - AUGUST 1, 2023
Rank School Prev W-L-T
1 University of Chicago 22-0-1
2 Williams College 10-2-11
3 Stevens Institute of Technology 18-1-5
4 University of Mary Washington 15-5-5
5 Kenyon College 19-2-1
6 Bowdoin College 13-2-6
7 Johns Hopkins University 15-1-8
8 Gustavus Adolphus College 15-2-6
9 Amherst College 16-1-7
10 SUNY Cortland 13-6-3
11 Washington & Lee University 16-3-4
12 Messiah University 20-0-2
13 Ohio Northern University 13-4-5
14 St. Olaf College 15-5-2
15 SUNY Oneonta 15-3-3
16 Catholic University 13-4-4
17 University of Saint Thomas (Texas) 16-2-3
18 Franklin & Marshall College 13-2-5
19 Calvin University 17-3-2
20 North Central College 18-1-4
21 Christopher Newport University 13-4-2
22 North Park University 15-4-3
23 John Carroll University 16-5-1
24 Ohio Wesleyan University 12-6-4
25 Tufts University 8-3-7
I don't understand Messiah being ranked 12th (should be higher in my opinion)!
Quote from: Newenglander on August 02, 2023, 11:41:34 AM
NATIONAL - PRE-SEASON POLL - AUGUST 1, 2023
Rank School Prev W-L-T
1 University of Chicago 22-0-1
2 Williams College 10-2-11
3 Stevens Institute of Technology 18-1-5
4 University of Mary Washington 15-5-5
5 Kenyon College 19-2-1
6 Bowdoin College 13-2-6
7 Johns Hopkins University 15-1-8
8 Gustavus Adolphus College 15-2-6
9 Amherst College 16-1-7
10 SUNY Cortland 13-6-3
11 Washington & Lee University 16-3-4
12 Messiah University 20-0-2
13 Ohio Northern University 13-4-5
14 St. Olaf College 15-5-2
15 SUNY Oneonta 15-3-3
16 Catholic University 13-4-4
17 University of Saint Thomas (Texas) 16-2-3
18 Franklin & Marshall College 13-2-5
19 Calvin University 17-3-2
20 North Central College 18-1-4
21 Christopher Newport University 13-4-2
22 North Park University 15-4-3
23 John Carroll University 16-5-1
24 Ohio Wesleyan University 12-6-4
25 Tufts University 8-3-7
I know. Crazy, but Williams shouldn't be ranked.
SC.
Quote from: Another Mom on August 03, 2023, 07:10:40 AM
I don't understand Messiah being ranked 12th (should be higher in my opinion)!
The USC pre-season poll is literally just the final year-end poll released in December 2022. Messiah fell to 12th at that time because they lost in the 2d round of the tournament to Williams.
The final ranking from Dec. 2022 on the USC site is not there anymore, but see this ONU press release from then that reproduces that ranking. It is identical to this year's pre-season ranking.
https://www.onusports.com/sports/msoc/2022-23/releases/20221206kld6l9
United Soccer Coaches Top 25 - Final
Dec. 6, 2022
Rank School Last Record
1. Chicago (Ill.) 2 22-0-1
2. Williams (Mass.) NR 10-2-11
3. Stevens Inst. of Tech. (N.J.) 4 18-1-5
4. Mary Washington (Va.) 18 15-5-5
5. Kenyon 3 19-2-1
6. Bowdoin (Maine) 8 13-2-6
7. Johns Hopkins (Md.) 19 15-1-8
8. Gustavus Adolphus (Minn.) 5 15-2-6
9. Amherst (Mass.) 6 16-1-7
10. SUNY Cortland 14 13-6-3
11. Washington & Lee (Va.) 22 16-3-4
12. Messiah (Pa.) 1 20-0-2
13. Ohio Northern 11 13-4-5
14. St. Olaf (Minn.) NR 15-5-2
15. SUNY Oneonta NR 15-3-3
16. Catholic (D.C.) NR 13-4-4
17. Saint Thomas (Tex.) NR 16-2-3
18. Franklin & Marshall (Pa.) 7 13-2-5
19. Calvin (Mich.) 17 17-3-2
20. North Central (Ill.) 10 18-1-4
21. Christopher Newport 12 13-4-2
22. North Park (Ill.) NR 15-4-3
23. John Carroll NR 16-5-1
24. Ohio Wesleyan NR 12-6-4
25. Tufts (Mass.) NR 8-3-7
Also receiving votes: St. Lawrence University, Willamette University, Vassar College, Pacific Lutheran University, University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire
So, we can disagree with how the coaches voted last fall, but this pre-season ranking is not how coaches think the teams rate going into this season based on anything that happened in the off-season. It is not the result of a coaches vote at all. It should be re-printed as a reminder of last year's final poll, not called a pre-season poll. That's why I mentioned earlier in this thread that if you want coaches' views about how teams rate going into the season, you should check out the conference polls released at the end of August.
Quote from: Kuiper on August 03, 2023, 08:32:55 AM
So, we can disagree with how the coaches voted last fall, but this pre-season ranking is not how coaches think the teams rate going into this season based on anything that happened in the off-season. It is not the result of a coaches vote at all. It should be re-printed as a reminder of last year's final poll, not called a pre-season poll.
That's not stopping Catholic from proudly announcing they're entering the 2023 season ranked 16th in the nation.
https://catholicathletics.com/news/2023/8/2/mens-soccer-ranked-16th-in-united-soccer-coaches-preseason-poll.aspx
2023 NCAC Men's Soccer
Preseason Coaches' Poll
(first-place votes in parentheses , followed by total points)
1. Kenyon (6) 78
2. Ohio Wesleyan (3) 75
3. Denison 60
4. Wabash 53
5. DePauw 37
6. Wooster 35
7. Wittenberg 32
8. Oberlin 26
9. Hiram 9
American Rivers Conference Pre-Season Poll is now up:
Loras is tabbed the front-runner:
(exact link is too long to post here):
CCIW preseason poll:
| 1. North Park (5) | 51 |
| 2. North Central (4) | 49 |
| 3. Wheaton | 47 |
| 4. Carthage | 43 |
| 5. Carroll | 33 |
| 6. Elmhurst | 30 |
| 7. Illinois Wesleyan | 27 |
| 8t. Augustana | 12 |
| 8t. Millikin | 12 |
Quote from: Ejay on August 03, 2023, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: Kuiper on August 03, 2023, 08:32:55 AM
So, we can disagree with how the coaches voted last fall, but this pre-season ranking is not how coaches think the teams rate going into this season based on anything that happened in the off-season. It is not the result of a coaches vote at all. It should be re-printed as a reminder of last year's final poll, not called a pre-season poll.
That's not stopping Catholic from proudly announcing they're entering the 2023 season ranked 16th in the nation.
https://catholicathletics.com/news/2023/8/2/mens-soccer-ranked-16th-in-united-soccer-coaches-preseason-poll.aspx
Maybe that is why their Landmark conference is charging to watch online????? :D