We were still using the 2022 thread so I figure I'll make a fresh one. Looks like Oneonta has 2 players moving to the division I ranks. Rising 5th year John Bernardi and current sophomore Milton Mancias Magana have transferred to Manhattan College and are already on the spring rosters.
SUNY New Paltz just announced that it is initiating a 2 year process to leave the SUNYAC. The stated reasons seem potentially contradictory: (1) To enhance the profile and expand its athletic recruitment footprint, and (2) to reduce away game travel. I could definitely see conferences that allow for less travel, but will they at the same time provide enhanced profile and expanded athletic recruiting footprint? Maybe the Liberty League, but they would still have to travel to upstate and western NY. The only other fit I could see would be the NJAC, which I suppose expands its geographic footprint to New Jersey without making it travel quite as far as in the SUNYAC, but that would require the NJAC to accept a member from outside New Jersey.
https://nphawks.com/news/2024/4/3/general-suny-new-paltz-initiating-two-year-process-to-seek-a-new-athletic-conference.aspx
Quote"A conference change presents opportunities to enhance the profile and competitiveness of Hawks athletics programs at a time when our varsity teams are performing at historic levels," said Director of Athletics, Wellness & Recreation Renee Bostic. "The transition to a new conference will position SUNY New Paltz to expand its athletics recruitment footprint, as well as our overall institutional awareness, beyond our historical markets."
A major component of this plan will be to reduce away-game travel time for varsity teams. New Paltz athletes currently average four hours of transit time for road contests against SUNYAC teams, many of which take place at distant sites in western and northern New York.
Reducing that geographic distance will provide a better experience for athletes, by reducing the need for overnight stays and missed class time and enabling parents, friends and family to more easily travel to see them compete. It will also provide cost savings that can be reinvested into athletics and wellness programs that benefit all New Paltz students.
From a travel perspective the Skyline would obviously make the most sense but that completely goes against the stated goal of trying to raise their profile and level of competitiveness as well as their recruitment footprint. Liberty League matches the academic and recruiting profile and there are more teams closer compared to the SUNYAC but you still have similar travel hauls. Doesn't seem like there is a very obvious destination here. Little East maybe, but the travel would still be a factor there.
NP has played a decent amount (~3/4) of non-conference matches versus the Liberty League. They also played a couple versus skyline last few years.
SUNYAC got weaker losing Brockport & Geneseo and adding weaker Canton & Morrisville. Highly unlikely they would go to a much higher profile conference.
I agree with you Liberty would fit that sentence but thats about it. Any other conference geography wise will be weaker, much weaker.
Quote from: stlawus on February 28, 2024, 07:32:34 PMWe were still using the 2022 thread so I figure I'll make a fresh one. Looks like Oneonta has 2 players moving to the division I ranks. Rising 5th year John Bernardi and current sophomore Milton Mancias Magana have transferred to Manhattan College and are already on the spring rosters.
New Paltz lost their best midfielder, 2022 top scorer, a rising Sr. to D1 Siena.
NP S/be 2022 and 2023 top scorer
Big changes in SUNYAC this year with the addition of Canton & Morrisville and Brockport & Geneseo left for the Empire 8.
Have to think the remaining members SOS will decrease and Conference ranking will suffer as well.
Cortland are the clear frontrunners and the battle for second place and a bye for the conference playoffs will come down to Oneonta, Buffalo, Platts and New Paltz. The sixth and last playoff slot is there for Oswego to grab.
With no Brockport and Oneonta losing two players as D1 transfers to Manhattan, the starting GK and another MF graduating / out of eligibility may open the door for Buff, NP or Platts to give Oneonta a run for 2nd place...
Oneonta is deep but they lost a lot of big game experience
Buff State lost their best Defender
NP lost their top scorer the last two years as a D1 transfer, three forwards graduated (two were starters) and rumor has it another MF left as well.
Platts returns their core with a starting MF graduating.
Oswego lost their top goal scorer and one of their better Defenders both graduated.
New Paltz joining the NJAC
https://x.com/njacsports/status/1808153404675613022?s=46&t=uXiupHZfR0TxrRyWF9BmRg
It was really the only conference that met the criteria geographically and competition-wise based on the stated goals, but is the first non-NJ school in that conference I believe
Thats a decent fit for New Paltz a slight step down in conference competition. NP should be in the 4th/5th place mix every year in that conference, third in really good year.
Thats a decent fit for New Paltz a slight step down in conference competition. NP should be in the 4th/5th place mix every year in that conference, third in really good year.
The move is beneficial to the NJAC because it allows the league to maintain an NCAA automatic qualification in women's tennis, bolsters a newly sponsored sport of men's lacrosse (adding conference status in the NCAA requirements) and extends the NJAC's men's volleyball program to five schools (leaving it one shy of the NCAA AQ status).
All good points for the NJAC and conference participants.
Thank you for the info..
Quote from: Ejay on July 05, 2024, 07:20:13 AMThe move is beneficial to the NJAC because it allows the league to maintain an NCAA automatic qualification in women's tennis, bolsters a newly sponsored sport of men's lacrosse (adding conference status in the NCAA requirements) and extends the NJAC's men's volleyball program to five schools (leaving it one shy of the NCAA AQ status).
For NP, travel time will be significantly reduced with the new affiliation: the two longest trips will be three hours and there are five at roughly 1 hour, 45 minutes-or-less.
In the SUNYAC, New Paltz had one trip of two hours (Oneonta) and the rest were over three hours, including two over five hours (Fredonia, Buffalo State). The shorter trips also means less need of hotel stays.
NJAC schoolsRamapo (Mahwah) – 47 minutes (51 miles)
William Paterson (Wayne) – 1 hour, 3 minutes (62 miles)
Montclair State – 1 hour, 19 minutes (71 miles)
Rutgers-Newark – 1 hour, 35 minutes (81 miles)
Kean (Union) – 1 hour, 43 minutes (85 miles)
New Jersey City University – 1 hour, 47 minutes (85 miles)
College of New Jersey (Ewing Township) – 2 hours, 25 minutes (132 miles)
Rutgers-Camden – 3 hours, 1 minute (164 miles)
Rowan (Glassboro) – 3 hours, 11 minutes (177 miles)
Stockton (Galloway) – 3 hours, 13 minutes (182 miles)
SUNYAC schoolsOneonta - 2 hours, 8 minutes (105 miles)
Cortland - 2 hours, 51 minutes (164 miles)
Morrisville - 3 hours, 4 minutes (172 miles)
Plattsburgh - 3 hours, 27 minutes (231 miles)
Oswego - 3 hours, 38 minutes (240 miles)
Geneseo - 4 hours, 20 minutes (266 miles)
Potsdam - 4 hours, 34 minutes (267 miles)
Canton - 4 hours, 38 minutes (270 miles)
Brockport - 4 hours, 39 minutes (310 miles)
Buffalo State - 5 hours, 13 minutes (353 miles)
Fredonia - 5 hours, 52 minutes (359 miles)
You would think that the SUNY and CUNY would create geographical based conferences. They are part of the way there with the recent changes.
Quote from: stlawus on February 28, 2024, 07:32:34 PMWe were still using the 2022 thread so I figure I'll make a fresh one. Looks like Oneonta has 2 players moving to the division I ranks. Rising 5th year John Bernardi and current sophomore Milton Mancias Magana have transferred to Manhattan College and are already on the spring rosters.
I was told today of another Oneonta starter transferring, Ali Somow in addition to the D1 Manhattan transfers (Bernardi & Magana)
If true that's a big blow. 6 goals and 8 assists last season. Is he moving up or going elsewhere in D3?
Even with Cortland's graduation losses I would peg them as strong SUNYAC favorites right now.
My source is pretty reliable, Was told a transfer to D1 or D2...
Agree Cortland strong favorite this year.... SUNYAC top spots 2-4 will be real interesting this year
Cortland are only losing Jack Coleman and their #6, along with anyone who was a 5th year according to sources. Heard their captains the all american #10 and their all region Center back are staying for a 5th year. Oneonta and NP look like they have brought in some decent transfers though. Should be interesting
"Only" losing Coleman is a pretty big deal though. They return a lot and are definitely favorites, however. Axtell had talked about losing quite a few goals in his SC interview, I don't know if that included Marra who now seems to be back. He redshirted in 2019 so I guess he might technically have one more year left but he's already been eligible to play 4 seasons already. Scoring has never been an issue for Cortland, it's the back line that has betrayed them. Usually they just outscore the opponent, but you can get chances against them with speed on the flanks and through the middle.
Oneonta ended up losing more than I expected in the end to graduation and transfers but it's rare for them to take a step backwards since they develop talent so well. With no Brockport and Geneseo this will probably be a very top heavy league barring surprises.
Oswego State has posted its 2024 Roster (https://oswegolakers.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster)
A few observations:
- 34 on the roster, compared with 30 last season
- 10 freshman
- Captain and M Kyle Gehnrich returns for a Covid year as a grad student after leading the team in assists last year, as does F Matthew Sturman
- Player departures of note include leading scorer Kieran Gilroy and starting defenders Matthew Sprague, Brendan Murphy, and Liam Rothar
Losing Gilroy is tough he scored a lot of clutch goals for Oswego and with the loss of the defenders you listed they will likely take need a year of development to challenge into the top 4. The Freshman MF Maldonado is solid addition. Having their Captain Gehnrich back will help them develop their team he is a really good player and drives their offense.
Plattsburgh posted their Roster of 30, had 29 last year. Social media posted
10 incoming recruits with 3 of the incoming transfers from Ulster, Hartwick & New Paltz
New Paltz roster not posted yet but they had 29 last year and they posted on social media 10 new recruits 3 are transfers from NJIT, URI & Queens(GK].
3 players were grad students and from prior posts they lost at least two MF to transfers one went to D1 Siena and another to Platts. So its likely this year will be about the same range 27-30 depending on seniors returning or other transfers
Quote from: FanaticFan458 on August 02, 2024, 10:53:58 PMCortland are only losing Jack Coleman and their #6, along with anyone who was a 5th year according to sources. Heard their captains the all american #10 and their all region Center back are staying for a 5th year. Oneonta and NP look like they have brought in some decent transfers though. Should be interesting
You definitely have inside info, as I was just scouring social media to discover that Marra is in fact back at Cortland for a final season. Would be his 6th year technically as he redshirted his freshman year and got the covid season.
Scrimmage Oneonta over Herkermier 6-0 today.
Cortland posted its 2024 Roster (https://www.cortlandreddragons.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster)
A few observations:
- 37 on the roster, compared with 34 last season
- 13 Freshman
- A few players return for a Covid year as grad students, including 1st team All-American midfielder Mateo Marra, 2nd team All Region defender Alex Lessman, and regular contributor Matias Valenzuela Matic
- There is one grad transfer who appears to be using his Covid year - a player named Jordan Miller, with no additional information. Might be forward Jordan Miller, who played 41 games and 5 starts (including during Covid) for D1 Delaware and is originally from Jericho, NY.
- Notable departures include 1st team All Region forward Jack Coleman, who had 10 goals and 4 assists last season, and regular starters midfielder Riley Williams and midfielder Marco Cottone
Feel like if Cortland wants to finally make a deeper run this has to be the year to do it. No more covid players after this year. Axtell will still get transfers but 5th year players are extremely valuable and this is the last season to use them. Cortland will get their goals, but they need to be more consistent on the defensive side of things. They are very prone to throwing lots of numbers forward and getting caught on breaks. I've noticed that teams with speed can have success against them. If they can clean it up at the back they definitely have final 4 potential. I'll be excited to watch them play this season (except against SLU this Sunday of course!) I'm a big fan of Axtell and the culture he instills in his program.
Oneonta (https://oneontaathletics.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster?sort=class) roster is up.
Top 2 goal scorers return for their final season, as it turns out Somow didn't transfer in the end. However, 2023 SUNYAC 3rd teamer Joe Holder does not appear on the roster. Would be a junior, so this could be injury related. Oneonta's entire midfield from last year left due to graduation or transfer, along with All American GK Nate Hanna who now roams the sidelines for SLU. Oneonta is one of the best at developing players so I do not expect much of a drop off, if any. Would not be surprised if they end up besting their season from last year.
I'll have to eat crow on the false report on Somow transferring.
Losing GK Hanna & CB Bernardi will be very hard to replace.
A promising start for Potsdam with a dominating win over Baruch and a draw versus Manhattanville.
Oswego toughed out a win against Nazareth swapping goals in the first half and again in the second half before notching the game winner late.
Buff State with a win versus Mt. Aloysius 4-2
New Paltz with a win yesterday versus RPI 1-0 that could easily been a draw but then upset today by SUNY Poly 0-1
Plattsburgh with two solid victories over Manhattanville 5-0 & Baruch 6-0.
Fredonia with a 2-1 win over Elmira
I had high expectations for New Paltz and am surprised to see they're off to a slow start.
Quote from: Ejay on August 31, 2024, 09:59:04 PMI had high expectations for New Paltz and am surprised to see they're off to a slow start.
NP has a lot of new inexperienced players they will will need time to come together may or may not happen this year.
They lost their top two scorers (graduation and transfer) and lost a couple of other starters as well.
They will have an excellent defense.
Oswego with a win over Hamilton 3-2. I watched about half the match...
Hamilton had more possession and shots but Oswego made the most of their shots most on target, Two converted PEN's for Oswego. Keep on eye on Oswego Soph. striker #52 (Ellis) looked good fast and strong scored a goal.
With Oswego's win over a NESCAC (on top of numerous other factors the past year or so, in multiple sports) I'm starting to think that the SUNYAC might actually be seeing some benefit from the current uncertainty and tribulations of higher education. Most of the SUNYs are now open enrollment so getting kids in isn't an issue. On top of the dwindling college-eligible population, the cost of higher ed is also a huge factor in preventing matriculation to some private universities that are cutting back on financial aid so a lot more are attracted to the significantly lower cost incurred at a state school as well. Cortland and Oneonta found the formula by mining the talent rich parts of the state (mainly Long Island) and hitting the transfer portal from in-state D1 players, so combine that with the other factors I mentioned and the SUNYAC could be on their way to being a lot more competitive conference.
Union with a win over NP last night. I watched the match and the first half was close to even but Union had less shots but more quality chances.
Second half was all Union they moved the ball well, good passing and defended well when needed. Parked the bus the last 10 minutes. Their goal early in the second half was very nice a quick pass to the outside and a diagonal ball, switch, to the weak side winger who beat the outside back and slotted it home.
I'm not paying for Flosports but the box score says Lessman for Cortland received 2 red cards in the current match against Catholic. I don't know if that's just a box score error and it's just one red card, or if he received two in succession.
edit: box score corrected at halftime, just one red card. Still, Cortland will have to play 75 minutes down a man.
Cortland goes down a man in the first half, proceed to score 2 goals in the 2nd half to beat Catholic on their own field. As I said before, if Cortland is ever going to make a run this has to be the year to do it. They start 8 seniors which includes several 5th years and technically a 6th year. That is a metric ton of invaluable experience. They should be a top 5 ranked team next week.
Cortland clearly the class of the conference.....impressive win down a man most of the match...
Buffalo blows out Alfred 7-1
SUNY Delhi over Potsdam 1-0
Scranton beats New Paltz 1-0 and NP has Vassar next
Need to see how Buffalo does against some better competition to get an idea how they are
I know its still early but this year it looks like surprise team up is Oswego and surprise down is New Paltz.
Last year the surprise up was Buffalo and the surprise down was Plattsburgh.
NP fading fast, could not hold into a 1-0 lead losing 1-2 after giving up a goal with nine minutes left then conceding another goal a minute later. NP has only scored two goals in five games. Putting way too much pressure on the back line and GK.
Platts. Missed a couple of opportunities versus Clarkson. Clarkson played for the draw with Platts. Absorbing heavy pressure most of the second half. Kudos to Clarkson hanging on to maintain the draw unlike NP.
Will try to watch some matches with Buffalo once they start playing better competition.
Despite 28 shots on goal Cortland comes up short against Alvernia. Alvernia looking like a sleeper team early with a couple really good results.
I wonder if Cortland will regret a 20 game schedule. Today was already their 7th game, I have no doubt there was some fatigue factor in this one.
Big win by New Paltz tonight over Stevens. Stevens had more possession and probably deserved more but NP had there moments and a forward hit a laser from the top of the box that beat the Stevens GK.
Oneonta over RPI on a late goal. Issue with the video in first half being fixed to the center circle. RPI put up a good fight.
Platts squeaks by Fredonia 2-1, scored two in the first half. Platts had a minimal quality chances in the second half.
NP with a dominating 4-0 win versus an overmatched Lehman. NP cam3 out in the second half and put the game away then emptied the bench.
Full slate of SUNYAC games this weekend.
NP draws against Cortland. NP scores in early second half on a 40-45 yard direct kick. Cortland GK caught up the field and ball lofted over his head. Cortland ties it up in second half on a PEN. NP hung with Cortland in first half but was under constant pressure in second half. Cortland had several chances get cleared off/near the goal line. Good work by NP getting a point from the match and continuing their run of good results.
Oneonta goes down a goal to Oswego but scores in two in second half, the game winner with about 10 min left in match.
Plattsburgh disappointing result draw 0-0 versus Morrisville. Plattsburgh outplayed Morrisville both halves but lots of poor shots by Platts. and some bad luck as well, hit the post in second half. Morrisville had ZERO shots on goal and three shots entire game
Morrisville & Platts players each issued a straight red. Foul on Morrisville player, Platts player pushed Morrisville Player and Morrisville player responded by throwing two punches at Platts. Player. Both teams grabbed their own players and got them separated and de-escalated quickly. This draw could hurt Platts in standings just like last season.
Buffalo over Potsdam 4-3
Fredonia destroys Canton 7-0 (was 6-0 at half)
Oneonta absolutely blitzing Cortland at the half. Getting Prosperi back is providing a big boost.
Shocked when I checked the score on my phone on the way home, was 3-0 at that time. Thats a draw (NP) and loss (Oneonta)for Cortland in first two SUNYAC matches.
NP beats Potsdam 2-1
Buffalo over Morrisville 3-0 - Morrisville with a RC early in 2nd half while match was still 0-0. Thats two straight games a player on Morrisville with a red card.
Oswego over Canton 3-0; Canton is struggling in SUNYAC they had ZERO shots in the match Oswego had 26 shots.
New Paltz extends their winning streak converting a PEN in the 85th minute for the 1-0 win over Fredonia.
Cortland with a 4-0 win over a struggling to score Platts. Cortland was the better team but helped by some strange referee calls. Cortland to their credit
Took advantage of a confused Platts GK...looked like a foul call or an offside call that Platts.GK thought was a goal kick (refs original call unclear.). GK put ball down Cortland rushed GK who picked it up ref blew whistle for an Indirect (illegal touching) and Cortland smartly played a quick pass to a teammate for a 5 yard tap in.
Buff State tied at top of the table in SUNYAC 3-0-0 with a 2-0 win against on over matched Canton squad. Buff outshot Canton 36-7
Oneonta heating up ...3-0-0 in conference play with a comfortable 2-0 win over Potsdam.
A depleted Morrisville squad multiple players sitting out due to red cards (three in two games) draws 1-1 against Oswego, Morrisville had 1-0 lead on a converted PEN.
Three teams with 4 pts in SUNYAC (Cortland, Platts & Oswego)
Quote from: Crossit4fun on October 02, 2024, 07:54:32 PMOswego over Canton 3-0; Canton is struggling in SUNYAC they had ZERO shots in the match Oswego had 26 shots.
Canton has no business in SUNYAC. They have exactly one competitive team there and that's a very good women's basketball team. That's it. Not a strong enough sports school to compete in SUNYAC.
They do need to figure something out. They'll get a mulligan for their first season in the SUNYAC but right now they are hurting. Weird dichotomy where the school itself has made a lot of strides academically and fits the SUNYAC mold now from that perspective. I also really worry about their men's basketball in the SUNYAC this year.
Quote from: stlawus on October 06, 2024, 01:07:18 PMThey do need to figure something out. They'll get a mulligan for their first season in the SUNYAC but right now they are hurting. Weird dichotomy where the school itself has made a lot of strides academically and fits the SUNYAC mold now from that perspective. I also really worry about their men's basketball in the SUNYAC this year.
Agreed. Canton is a great school, but struggles on the sports side of things. It's sad to see the area so weak in men's basketball now. SLU is the only good team in the North Country. I think it's very hard for Canton, Potsdam and Plattsburgh to find players that want to go to school up here. It seems it anyway.
Plattsburgh at least on the men's side has made a lot of strides. They should be pretty solid this year with the transfers they brought in, they have a very good coach. Clarkson should be decent as well. But yea, Potsdam is very sad to see especially given their history. SLU had to leave them off the schedule this season for the first time in history because of the hit they take to their strength of schedule by playing them.
The usual formula for Canton and Potsdam in a lot of sports was to hit on local talent and bring in JuCos and NYC kids, but that has been an unreliable venture in recent years.
Quote from: stlawus on October 06, 2024, 01:37:05 PMPlattsburgh at least on the men's side has made a lot of strides. They should be pretty solid this year with the transfers they brought in, they have a very good coach. Clarkson should be decent as well. But yea, Potsdam is very sad to see especially given their history. SLU had to leave them off the schedule this season for the first time in history because of the hit they take to their strength of schedule by playing them.
The usual formula for Canton and Potsdam in a lot of sports was to hit on local talent and bring in JuCos and NYC kids, but that has been an unreliable venture in recent years.
I'm a Potsdam alum. I LOVED the 80s. But jeeze, they had 4,200 students back in 1992 when I was there and they have around 2,300 now. With young people not going into education, their enrollment has been gutted. Going to be a long season for the them and for Canton.
With a small sample in SUNYAC so far, Potsdam's squad actually looks better this year than last years squad as does Fredonia. A few years ago they would both struggle to score a goal and concede three or four goals to the other SUNYAC teams.
Oswego is the wild card can they keep their run going getting points or will they start dropping giving Potsdam or Fredonia a shot for the last playoff slot.
Buffalo remains undefeated beating Fredonia on a PEN, red card to GK for DOGSO
New Paltz continues their winning streak 3-2 over Morrisville
Plattsburgh with an upset win over Oneonta 2-0. Plattsburgh outplayed Onenta in both halves
Cortland over Oswego 3-1.
For the first time in a few years the SUNYAC is up for grabs.
Quote from: Crossit4fun on October 10, 2024, 05:32:40 PMBuffalo remains undefeated beating Fredonia on a PEN, red card to GK for DOGSO
New Paltz continues their winning streak 3-2 over Morrisville
Plattsburgh with an upset win over Oneonta 2-0. Plattsburgh outplayed Onenta in both halves
Cortland over Oswego 3-1.
For the first time in a few years the SUNYAC is up for grabs.
GK earned a red for DOGSO? Assuming they awarded a PEN, then it should have only been a yellow.
Quote from: Ejay on October 10, 2024, 07:57:05 PMQuote from: Crossit4fun on October 10, 2024, 05:32:40 PMBuffalo remains undefeated beating Fredonia on a PEN, red card to GK for DOGSO
New Paltz continues their winning streak 3-2 over Morrisville
Plattsburgh with an upset win over Oneonta 2-0. Plattsburgh outplayed Onenta in both halves
Cortland over Oswego 3-1.
For the first time in a few years the SUNYAC is up for grabs.
GK earned a red for DOGSO? Assuming they awarded a PEN, then it should have only been a yellow.
Outside the box. No double jeopardy.
https://fredoniabluedevils.com/news/2024/10/8/mens-soccer-at-buffstate-10-9-24wsoc.aspx (https://fredoniabluedevils.com/news/2024/10/8/mens-soccer-at-buffstate-10-9-24wsoc.aspx)
"The game's only goal came in the 70th minute. Fredonia State goalkeeper Jack Phelan left the goal box and grabbed a loose ball outside the boundary. A red card was called on the touch. The Bengal's Diego Rivera took the direct kick and drove it past a diving Thomas McDonald who entered the game following Phelan's red card."
Edit: above says outside the goal box but assume it meant the penalty box. If not then this means the keeper foul was flagrant?
The notes in the play by play stated dogso -
The write up suggests illegal touching outside the box / direct free kick
I would assume GK took out offensive player and touched the ball outside box I am intrigued so I will try to view video of it when I have some downtime later
Quote from: Ejay on October 10, 2024, 07:57:05 PMQuote from: Crossit4fun on October 10, 2024, 05:32:40 PMBuffalo remains undefeated beating Fredonia on a PEN, red card to GK for DOGSO
New Paltz continues their winning streak 3-2 over Morrisville
Plattsburgh with an upset win over Oneonta 2-0. Plattsburgh outplayed Onenta in both halves
Cortland over Oswego 3-1.
For the first time in a few years the SUNYAC is up for grabs.
GK earned a red for DOGSO? Assuming they awarded a PEN, then it should have only been a yellow.
GK can still get a red if it's in the box if it wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball.
Quote from: Golden_Fan on October 11, 2024, 11:12:03 AMGK can still get a red if it's in the box if it wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball.
Can't earn a red for
DOGSO if it's in the box and the PK was given. That's a yellow. Avoids double jeoppardy.
Quote from: Ejay on October 11, 2024, 02:00:39 PMQuote from: Golden_Fan on October 11, 2024, 11:12:03 AMGK can still get a red if it's in the box if it wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball.
Can't earn a red for DOGSO if it's in the box and the PK was given. That's a yellow. Avoids double jeoppardy.
Yes you can. You are correct if there was a genuine attempt to play the ball but if there wasn't it is still an ejection. (Source - Rule 12.7.4, page 68) (https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/18d0-3216650/2024-2025_Rule_Book.pdf)
Quote from: Golden_Fan on October 11, 2024, 02:15:42 PMQuote from: Ejay on October 11, 2024, 02:00:39 PMQuote from: Golden_Fan on October 11, 2024, 11:12:03 AMGK can still get a red if it's in the box if it wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball.
Can't earn a red for DOGSO if it's in the box and the PK was given. That's a yellow. Avoids double jeoppardy.
Yes you can. You are correct if there was a genuine attempt to play the ball but if there wasn't it is still an ejection. (Source - Rule 12.7.4, page 68) (https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/18d0-3216650/2024-2025_Rule_Book.pdf)
Interesting. I've never seen it worded that way. Usually the red card offense is for serious or foul play, or violent conduct, and not technically DOGSO. At least that's how IFAB separates it. I guess I stand corrected for NCAA rules.
Quote from: Ejay on October 11, 2024, 02:29:14 PMQuote from: Golden_Fan on October 11, 2024, 02:15:42 PMQuote from: Ejay on October 11, 2024, 02:00:39 PMQuote from: Golden_Fan on October 11, 2024, 11:12:03 AMGK can still get a red if it's in the box if it wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball.
Can't earn a red for DOGSO if it's in the box and the PK was given. That's a yellow. Avoids double jeoppardy.
Yes you can. You are correct if there was a genuine attempt to play the ball but if there wasn't it is still an ejection. (Source - Rule 12.7.4, page 68) (https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/18d0-3216650/2024-2025_Rule_Book.pdf)
Interesting. I've never seen it worded that way. Usually the red card offense is for serious or foul play, or violent conduct, and not technically DOGSO. At least that's how IFAB separates it. I guess I stand corrected for NCAA rules.
Even in IFAB its still a red:
"
Denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (DOGSO)Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own
penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence
was an attempt to play the ball or a challenge for the ball;
in all other
circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.),
the offending player must be sent off." (Page 114) (https://downloads.theifab.com/downloads/laws-of-the-game-2024-25?l=en)
It's only a yellow for DOGSO in the penalty area if there is an attempt to play the ball.
To clarify the red was giving to the goalkeeper for catching the ball outside of the box and was awarded a direct free kick. There was no foul whatsoever.
Here is the link if anyone wants to rewatch:
https://team1sports.com/fredonia/?B=1417438 (https://team1sports.com/fredonia/?B=1417438)
It was very poor judgement by the keeper who could've easily waited to take the ball into the box which is why I believe a yellow card should've been given. The buff attacker never touched the ball which came from a long ball from the CB and slowed down when realising he will not get it. In my opinion it was not clear goal scoring opportunity and a red card was wrong.
It should've been a red card if the Buff attacker gets to the ball first and tries to play it by the keeper in whatever way or if both play try to beat each other to the ball and the keeper decides to deny the chance for the attacker to reach the ball.
Have a look as I would be interested in hearing other opinions.
Quote from: Saint4life on October 11, 2024, 02:48:44 PMTo clarify the red was giving to the goalkeeper for catching the ball outside of the box and was awarded a direct free kick. There was no foul whatsoever.
Here is the link if anyone wants to rewatch:
https://team1sports.com/fredonia/?B=1417438 (https://team1sports.com/fredonia/?B=1417438)
It was very poor judgement by the keeper who could've easily waited to take the ball into the box which is why I believe a yellow card should've been given. The buff attacker never touched the ball which came from a long ball from the CB and slowed down when realising he will not get it. In my opinion it was not clear goal scoring opportunity and a red card was wrong.
It should've been a red card if the Buff attacker gets to the ball first and tries to play it by the keeper in whatever way or if both play try to beat each other to the ball and the keeper decides to deny the chance for the attacker to reach the ball.
Have a look as I would be interested in hearing other opinions.
Is it harsh? Yes, but by the laws of the game that's a red for DOGSO. You can see the center go over and confirm with the AR before pulling out the red. Looks like the buff state attacker had position on both of the cbs and would have been in on goal if the keeper missed the ball. Either way poor decision on the keepers part and will be a good learning opportunity.
This is starting to remind me of those old IBM You Make the Call spots in MNF back in the 80s.
Interesting now that I actually watched. I don't think I've ever seen anything but a yellow for a keeper handling the ball outside the box.
Seems like a red to me. GK looks like he misread the pace of the ball coming in - if he doesn't grab it the striker looked like we was in on goal
I reviewed the video I agree with Golden Fans view that The CB's were close to the Striker and the GK misread it.
However, what I think was called under Laws of the game rule #12 - Red card for Deliberately handled the ball in a dangerous area of the pitch. I can see this as the ted versus usng DOGSO as mentioned in the play by play.
Buff State remain undefeated with a win over Platts 3-2. Buff State are dangerous upfront. They passed their first big test yesterday. Game could have gone either way. Both teams had stretches of good play. Buff State deeper than in the past.
New Paltz also on a hot streak was well with a 2-0 wn over a weak Canton squad
NP at Platts Wednesday.
Oneonta squeaks by a scrappy Morrisville squad 1-0, scoring in the last few minutes.
Oswego big win 6-1 over Fredonia.
Interesting matchups this week in SUNYAC with Conference Playoff seeding implications:
Wed.
New Platz @ Platts. - NP is on a hot streak and Platts is up and down...
Oneonta @ Buff. State - Buff State undefeated in and out of conference play
Sat.
Platts @ Oswego - likely for the 5th or 6th playoff spots (last two)
Buff @ NP potentially for the #1 seed if both win on Wed. and possibly
Quote from: Crossit4fun on October 15, 2024, 02:09:57 PMInteresting matchups this week in SUNYAC with Conference Playoff seeding implications:
Wed.
New Platz @ Platts. - NP is on a hot streak and Platts is up and down...
Oneonta @ Buff. State - Buff State undefeated in and out of conference play
Sat.
Platts @ Oswego - likely for the 5th or 6th playoff spots (last two)
Buff @ NP potentially for the #1 seed if both win on Wed. and possibly
Buff State looks legit with a 2-0 win over Oneonta after beating Platt. 3-2. Buff. State controls its own destiny for the #1 seed with 3 matches to go last one versus Cortland.
Platt bounces back with a 1-0 win over New Paltz ending NP's hot streak and giving NP its first conference loss.
Buff state @ NP on Saturday should be a really good matchup - NP's defense versus Buff state offense
NP defense suffocates Buff States offense and wns 2-0; two goals in two minutes late second half. Buff State opens the door for Cortland with last conference match for both likely to determine 1st overall.
NP still controls own destiny to host a playoff match. They host Oneonta on Wed.
Which will help determine playoff seeding.
Platts. is lurking a few points behind, with two very winnable matches Potsdam & Canton. Platts. has the head to head tie breaker advantage versus both NP & Oneonta.
Exciting times in the SUNYAC with top slots still not decided.
Oswego with a chance to play spoiler and help themselves clinch the last playoff spot, however they have two tough matches this week @ Buff State & home versus NP.
It's difficult going from a conference like the NAC to the SUNYAC so there is a grace period, but SUNY Canton has got to figure something out on the recruiting trail this offseason. Through 8 league games they have been outscored 28-0.
Quote from: stlawus on October 23, 2024, 06:41:17 PMIt's difficult going from a conference like the NAC to the SUNYAC so there is a grace period, but SUNY Canton has got to figure something out on the recruiting trail this offseason. Through 8 league games they have been outscored 28-0.
I have watched 10 or 15 minutes stretches from week to week to get an idea what they have and its not good on either side of the ball. Morrisville meanwhile has rarely been blown out and has been in most games.
Big win by Oneonta 2-0 over NP scoring early and late. Oneonta had the better of play most of the match. Oneonta puts themselves in a good spot for a home match
2nd they need help (for a bye in first round) or a home match for finishing in the third or fourth spot.
Cortland @ Buffalo saturday for 1st overall in SUNYAC. A Buff state draw or win puts them in top spot. A loss by Cortland and an Oneonta win (play Oswego) drops Cortland to third slot.
Cortland ties @ Buff State, Buff State clinches #1 overall seed and a bye in the first round in the SUNYAC Conference playoffs.
Oneonta with a HUGE come from behind victory 2-1 today versus Fredonia which gives them the #2 overall seed and a bye in the first round in the SUNYAC Conference playoffs. After Oneonta tied the match up a few minutes before, Fredonia turns the ball over near the midfield line, Oneonta counters but the Fredonia D gets the ball cleared toward the sideline and the outside back attempts to clear the ball back thru the middle of the field Oneonta intercepts drives forward, one pass to Ali Somorow who skins the defender to the outside cuts around defender and places an accurate pass back to his teammate at the six who one times it in. Fredonia loses and gets knocked out of playoffs.
New Paltz closes out the regular season with a disappointing loss at Oswego 0-2. That's three losses out of last four games to end the season with no goals scored in the three losses.
NP travels to Platts. for the #4 - #5 matchup.
Oswego win and a loss by Fredonia allows Oswego to get the #6 seed and a match away versus #3 Cortland.
Quote from: Crossit4fun on October 24, 2024, 01:31:47 PMQuote from: stlawus on October 23, 2024, 06:41:17 PMIt's difficult going from a conference like the NAC to the SUNYAC so there is a grace period, but SUNY Canton has got to figure something out on the recruiting trail this offseason. Through 8 league games they have been outscored 28-0.
I have watched 10 or 15 minutes stretches from week to week to get an idea what they have and its not good on either side of the ball. Morrisville meanwhile has rarely been blown out and has been in most games.
It's not going to improve. Canton recruits many local kids and Section 7 and 10 are not going to get it done in SUNYAC. It's way above their skill level. I have no idea why Canton thought going to SUNYAC was a good idea. Their girls basketball team is the only team that will be competitive in that conference.
Quote from: stlawus on October 23, 2024, 06:41:17 PMIt's difficult going from a conference like the NAC to the SUNYAC so there is a grace period, but SUNY Canton has got to figure something out on the recruiting trail this offseason. Through 8 league games they have been outscored 28-0.
Beyond that, they don't even get shots on goal. They aren't even remotely competitive.
That is a tough conference. Do you think they joined to make an attempt to attract a higher caliber student-athlete?
Quote from: SKUD on October 28, 2024, 09:29:57 AMThat is a tough conference. Do you think they joined to make an attempt to attract a higher caliber student-athlete?
They will be competing with SLU, Clarkson, Potsdam and Plattsburgh that's a tough sell....
Wanting to attract higher caliber student-athletes is part of it, but travel also played a big factor. Morrisville has found a way to compete on the national level in sports like basketball and baseball, I think they'll be fine. Canton also is trying to elevate their academic standing which has increased pretty sharply in the last 10 years. The SUNYAC brand definitely helps in that regard, which of course brings us full circle to attracting better athletes. I think they have the capability to do it, their AD is a SLU alum who knows what it takes to compete in that type of conference. Looking back at what they were even 7 or 8 years ago you can see a pretty remarkable improvement in the athletic department. But they'll need to really lean into the changing landscape of higher ed by using their low cost of education and top programs like criminal justice and homeland security to get the athletes that teams like Plattsburgh normally get.
Ultimately, this all may be rendered moot in the not so distant future if Canton and Potsdam end up finally merging. That came close to fruition in 2012 so it's not hard to think it will happen given the state of higher ed.
Looking at NPI again, pretty good chance for 3 bids out ofthe SUNYAC. 4 is probably stretch given Oneonta's current standing. But Plattsburgh beating New Paltz this weekend should put them firmly on the right side of the bubble if they don't make it any further. Same goes for Cortland.
I honestly could see Plattsburgh making the run through the AQ with all that experience in the lineup. Given what I saw yesterday their tactical setup is pretty well suited for their opponents going forward.
New Paltz back 4 match up well with the Platts offense. I fully expect this to be a tight one goal match 1-0 or 2-1.....possibly overtime.
New Paltz beat Plattsburgh in a shootout in the SUNYAC quarterfinal. After a 2-2 game and scoreless overtime, New Paltz won the shootout 5-4 to advance to a semi-final matchup with Buffalo early next week.
Brutal way for Plattsburgh's seniors to end their season. From the games I've seen New Paltz has a bit of that "dawg" in them as they say, they can grind results. I expected Plattsburgh to make some noise in the league tournament especially with getting a home game, but soccer is a cruel sport. Pretty good foundation laid with that program, I expect them to be back in the thick of things next year even with their graduation losses.
Tough for Platts to lose especially after outplaying NP for most of the Match. They ran out of gas after first OT.
NP gifted Platts their first Goal, NP CB pass right to a Platts player who drove forward and buried it.
Both NP goals were controversial
First goal offensive player appeared to climb over defenders back on and in second Platts MF appeared to be tripped/grabbed as he dribbled at midfield lost the ball and NP countered with two quick passes and a goal.
First looked more egregious
With this loss, tie for NPI purposes, doubtful Platts has enough now to get in NCAA as an open bid.
How does Cortland, who won the SUNYAC and had several incredible wins get such an unfavorable draw? Messiah and Williams is quite a gauntlet and for me is the toughest pod in the tournament.
Quote from: FanaticFan458 on November 11, 2024, 08:54:51 PMHow does Cortland, who won the SUNYAC and had several incredible wins get such an unfavorable draw? Messiah and Williams is quite a gauntlet and for me is the toughest pod in the tournament.
Agree thats the bracket of death...
No question, Pod of Death.
Cortland will likely be a solid team next year like they always are, but a first round exit for this group has got to feel very disappointing, especially since they got one of the worst draws for their first round pod. They started eight 5th years and seniors, with 3 of these players accounting for 39 goals and 13 assists. In the post covid era Axtell has been able to retain a lot of these players year to year who seemingly never ran out of eligibility, but with this being the last season for covid year eligibility the roster is going to have turnover now.