Pat,

The kick is up....and it's no good. Nice try. I'm back.

You've changed the argument from Sergo's eligibility into D3 eligibility. My point from the beginning was that he played 4 years. He was in school for 10 semesters...and played his 4 years...therefore his eligibility is over. I don't care about people who take semesters off...because he didn't do that.

That IS in the rule book. I know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't change the argument around to try to make yourself look good...because I was talking about SERGO'S eligibility, not John Doe's.

14.2.2...post is as many times as you want. Sergo is not eligibile...that's the only point I've tried to prove on here, and I was successful. It's all in the rule book.

Sergo,

Give it up.

The only way you'll be on the field next year in Division 3 is if it's as a coach. If it's as a player, your team will forfeit the season.

I'm not a hater at all. If you look back, I was the one who said you should've been on the first-team all-conference team. You then disagreed with me about something else, so it's your fault it turned into this.

And again, easy with the "meeting" thing. I have no need to "meet" you.

Go on with your life. You're 23. You weren't drafted. Football is over.

Quote from: ILikeDiv3 on September 04, 2006, 04:55:30 PM
Thank you Da One.  To add to the conversation, Fatpongo you are reading from the wrong document.  The Five Year Rule DOES NOT APPLY TO DIVISION III.  The following is from the DIVISION III MANUAL....rule 14.2.1 is this:

Collegiate Enrollment Concurrent with Service Assignment.  Any time in which a student athelete is enrolled for a minimum full-time program of studies as a regular student in a collegiate institution while simultaneously on active duty in the United States government shall count against the 10 semesters/15 quarters in which the four seasons of eligibility must be completed.

Another simple google search reveals this:

http://www.sdmesa.sdccd.cc.ca.us/maap/eligibility.html

There have been different occasions where a Division I guy drops out a few years and comes back to school around age 28 even, to play at the Division III level.  I've seen it firsthand son.

I hate to respond and give this kid more attention,  but Fatpongo historically and consistently has his information wrong, and spreads FALSE information which is just not cool. 

Bottom line is, and I don't know what the time frame or situation was for Joe Sergo playing at IWU, I seriously doubt Benedictine would let him play this year or next year if he wasn't eligible.  I believe most schools at this level understand and abide by rules.  So I really don't think you are uncovering a big scandal.

Are you sure you have ALL the facts on Sergo's IWU experience?

Regards

First of all, Sergo, we know that it is you under a different name.

And thanks for finding that article....the 10 semester rule applies for division three...which Pat Coleman said I was "wrong on." Your proof is in that article.

Also, this whole discussion isn't based on D1 to D3. It's based on D3 to D3.

My information is not wrong. And you do know Sergo's situation at IWU...because you're him. It's not a scandal either...it's just somebody trying to cheat the system...hence why you(Sergo) did not play football this year...because teams didn't want to take the chance.

And yes Sergo, we're sure of the facts of your IWU experience...unless the IWU coaching staff and players are lying...and if game film with you on it is lying.

If it's untrue...you tell us what happened...and explain the game film.

Da one,

No, he was not hurt at IWU.

Pat,

You jumped into the conversation when I made a typo....where I typed a 2 instead of a 1. Shall we assume you've never made a typo before?

If you never said Sergo was eligible...you shouldn't have gotten into the conversation. I know you like to put your 2 cents in...but this wasn't the time.

And since you're the know-all of Division 3 sports...and I'm wrong on the five-year rule...what is this?:

14.2.1 Five-Year Rule - A student-athlete shall complete his or her seasons of participation within five calendar years from the beginning of the semester or quarter in which the student-athlete first registered for a minimum full-time program of studies in a collegiate institution, with time spent in the armed services, on official church missions or with recognized foreign aid services of the U.S. government being excepted. For foreign students, service in the armed forces or on an official church mission of the student's home country is considered equivalent to such service in the United States.

Taken from the NCAA eligibility rules. It's National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), not the Pat Coleman Athletic Association (PCAA).

So again, you're wrong, not me.

I really don't care who you side with.

He appeared in games each year, therefore counting as a year of eligibility each year. I don't need to explain it anymore...and if you don't understand it...well then it's time to re-take 1st grade.

Pat, I know division 3 sports are your life and passion, but you're wrong on this one.

Your'e missing the whole point here. SERGO HAS ALREADY PLAYED FOUR YEARS! I don't even know why we're talking about the 5 year rule anymore.

He played 1 year at Illinois Wesleyan and 3 years at Benedictine. He did NOT redshirt. He played ALL FOUR YEARS.

What am I not explaining here? Did I miss something? Are people allowed to play 5 seasons now?

2001-IWU
2003-BU
2004-BU
2005-BU

Again, that's 4 years. Why would he be allowed to play a 5th year? This is like talking to 1st graders, but worse. His eligibility is over.

So again, with simple addition skills learned in elementary school.

2001=2 semesters
2002=2 semesters
2003=2 semesters
2004=2 semesters
2005=2 semesters

What does that add? Is that 10? Yes it is.

Is this 2006? Yes, it is.

Does that help?

Pat,

You're not crazy, but you know that was a typo by me and that I meant 10 not 20.

The only way you can be eligible as an undergrad is if you are a full-time student...and he was eligible...or else he wouldn't have played on the 2001 team.

Nice try trying to make me look wrong because of a typo I made, but I'm right.

Fatal,

Apparently you don't know about the 5 to play 4 (20 semester rule).

You have 5 years (or 20 semesters in a row) to play 4.

If you started in 2001, you would have until the end of the 2005 season.

2001-2005=5 years....understand now?

For those who think i'm "making things up" still,  go to this link:

http://www.iwu.edu/%7eiwunews/sports/fbroster01.html

Joseph Sergo           WR     5-8    155    Fr.     Park Ridge (Maine South HS)
Robert Shell           LB     5-10   200    Fr.     Lansing (Thornton Fract. South HS)
Daniel Smessaert       WR     5-10   160    Fr.     Indian Head Park (LaGrange Lyons)

The bottom two are the people below him on the roster.

Who's lying now? "Oh Fatpongo you're just tryin to cause trouble." No, read it.

Sergo-

Saying "come meet me we'll talk about it" is a "who the man" thing.

Forget that...since you are claiming I am making serious assumptions and untrue comments...answer the question for this board.

Did you or did you not play for Illinois Wesleyan in 2001. It's a yes or no question. If you say yes, then you are ineligible to play...because you were not hurt. If you say no, then why are you on game film AND on the 2001 Illinois Wesleyan roster? All I need you to do is answer that....and nothing else will need to be said on the matter...because all of your "eligibility" questions will be answered (even though they already are).

P.S. Why would I want an autograph from 23 year old Division 3 football player who didn't even make 1st team all-conference? (ex-player)


Fatal-

Read what I just said to him. Also, if you'd like, call Illinois Wesleyan and ask them if he played in '01.

Joseph A. Sergo #30-

You are the one who started this whole thing. I stated the facts (and even complimented your performance last season)...and you tried to turn everything around (even though it's true).

Don't turn this into a "who da man" thing by telling me where you live, that I know where you go to school, etc.

There was no online "bashing"...if anything, I tried making you look good.

P.S. You're not #30...that number belongs to nobody on Benedictine.

Jay,

Say what you'd like....but I'd "bet the house" that I know more Benedictine players than you do...that goes for coaches as well...so I know the whole truth.

AUFB,

Year of Pongo sounds hilarious.

As for BU, looks like Cooper didn't reload on offense or defense.

Benedictine loses 34-0. Same old story in Lisle.

Jay,

You're very very confused right now.

Sergo is not playing next year for two reasons. One, his 10 semesters is up. Unless the NCAA makes a ridiculous change by then, he can't play. Of course he can, but then BU would have to forfeit their season (not the worst idea).

I haven't gone through 2nd-4th parties either. I told you my sources(coaches) from Wesleyan to back up my 10 semester claim.

Your information is wrong. I hope you really aren't a betting man.

Jaybird,

In response to both of your posts:

It seems you are the moron, not me. I know how All-Conference picks are chosen.  You seem to be confused about the process though and who knows who in the league.

Cooper has been in the league near 20 years. If he doesn't nominate a player that has stats like he did last year...he could/would get fired. What he can do...is sway coaches away from voting for him.  It happens all the time. If you don't believe that, you're in denial.

How could a player with Sergo's stats not go first-team all-conference last year? Explain that to me.

Also, no, Sergo was not "welcomed back" by Cooper and Benedictine coaches/players. I explained in my other post that his ineligibility has nothing to do with his shortage of credits...his 10 semester running clock is over.

Get facts straight before you post them.