Quote from: anECfan on March 04, 2006, 07:37:05 PM
cstrike is an absolute tool he was the kid in high school who couldn't get the girl no matter what he did.  I mean he resorts to coming onto the CCC board and tries telling us how much our conference sucks. Wow thats a lot of free time on your hands bud. I wish I was as cool as cstrike everyone. Yup I said it cstrike is the coolest person on this CCC board. I think that is what he is looking for.

Yawn.  The fact of the matter is yet again, not a single team from New England other than NESCAC teams made the round of 16.  Can the NESCAC petition to be reassigned to a real region?

Obviously I've struck a chord with you since you have to resort to junior high personal attacks when presented with actual, proven facts.  The thing is, the door's wide open, waiting for someone to become the second best league in the region.  Only problem is nobody wants to take advantage of it.

Oh, and Roy?  You may not want to be throwing many cinder blocks around there, buddy, you of the "losing in the semifinals of your conference tournament at home" team.

Another year, another first-round flame-out... this time, with TWO teams!

When are you guys in that conference going to learn that if you want any respect, you actually have to WIN a game or two in the NCAAs?

Quote from: john on March 01, 2006, 10:51:38 PM
..for four years andrew did..2043 points,825 goals,390frees,142 blocks,206steals,and 1007 rebounds.................now you know why i am proud......

John,

Congrats to you and Andrew - a great player and even better person.  I'd be especially proud of the Academic All-American award he got earlier today, for all the players eligible for that award, to be named first team is truly an astounding accomplishment.

Someone brings new information to the table, with an actual game tonight and a major accomplishment by a player from one of the member schools, and you blow it off....

You should have rephrased your question, does anyone want to glorify Gordon some more, because that's really what you're asking.

And frankly, I wouldn't be real proud of having Gordon ranked 54th in the nation, especially considering there's only 59 teams that got into the tournament, that'd mean that there's only five teams worse than them that got in.  Doesn't say much for the Gordo's chances, does it?

First off, 24, the apology is there.  But since you go to Gordon, I guess you don't know how to read.

And roy, I'm sure our boy 24 does have Acrobat since he so ignorantly observed that the link was "only DII."  Funny thing is, he'd have to go at least halfway through that to find out that, since it started with DI and had DIII stuff in the back.

I gave your Scots your props, right?  So what's your point?

My point is that while I understand your pride for your schools and for your conference, it's one thing to simply make the tournament.  It's a completely different thing to expect to get in, and expect to win multiple games in the tournament.  From Bill's link (which I didn't stumble across when searching for the championship handbook - and if it's that easy to find, why didn't our boy 24 find it?), the last time that a non-NESCAC team made the final four was UMass-Dartmouth in 1993.  Clark's the last non-NESCAC team to make the national championship game, all the way back in 1987.

The CCC and New England basketball in general is a joke.  My problem is that there's better teams in other parts of the country that are getting screwed out of an opportunity to show what they can do on a national level.  I'm sure the NESCACs don't mind the current setup, since it gets them an easy path into the real games every year.

So the CCC gets two bids.... show us that they're deserving of two bids by actually doing something with the chance that's been given.

Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 10:34:26 PM
The link is for DII.  Not much help for us in the DIII realm. 

That's typical of a Gordon fan.... they know it all, even when they don't know jack.  Maybe if you'd stop acting like you know it all and listen to someone every once in a while, you might learn something.

Thanks for the link, Bill.  Good information there.

Hey gordon - or should I call you Alex? - I work in a hospital, not some all-night diner, but thanks for caring.

Congratulations to the Gordon fans.  I guess I can't complain too much, you guys used the system to your advantage, which probably makes you smarter than those coaches who actually tried to play someone.  Still, if the system's set up to only look at wins and losses and to ignore who you actually played, then more power to you for taking advantage of it.

Thing I don't get is that back at the beginning of the season, all the buzz was about Colby Sawyer getting one of the C bids because of their tough schedule.  While they certainly don't deserve one - no offense to john, because Andrew certainly pulled his weight this season - the prevailing thought was that loading up on the schedule was the way to go. 

Sorry for doubting you, Gordon fans....  still, I shudder to think what long term effects this will have on the conference and scheduling.

I'm running out to work all night.... if Gordon makes it in, I'll post my apology to you Gordos in the morning.

You know, so you don't think I'm hiding or anything....  Some of us actually have real jobs and have a real life.

Oh, and St. Clair was 26 short coming into the Gordon game.  Hoops is right, he's two short for now.

Nope, can't say I got cut by Gordon, because first off, I used up my eligibility a long time ago.....  had a very good career playing at a real school.

Why do I hate Gordon so much?  Perhaps it's that "holier than thou" attitude they have about everything (yes, I realize that's a religious school, but that's no excuse).  Perhaps it's the fact that they pack their schedule with crap teams and hide their way into the tournament.  From looking at their schedules, Roger Williams, CSC and Endicott haven't ducked away from tough teams this year.  Sure, their records may not be all that sparkling, but that's how you earn respect.  Someone needs to put you Gordos back into your place.

My problem with them being awarded an at-large bid is that such a bid would be based on mediocrity, not on actual accomplishment.  The problem with the "national championship" is that it isn't actually that.  Instead of the best teams in the nation getting in, to go region by region, that simply penalizes those regions with actual ability.  The other issue that I have with it is by regionalizing the tournament games, you won't get to see just how far behind New England is compared to the rest of the country.  Sure, there's 3-4 good teams up there, but how does that compare to the Midwest or Great Lakes, where there's easily 20 teams in each region that are better teams.  Their only flaw is happening to be situated in a region with the class of the country.

Oh, and if anyone was confused by the astronomical cost of actually attending one of those institutions of lower learning, this isn't the Ivy League.  Proof of that is easily found with the lack of writing skill shown by some of Gordon's finest.  Way to represent your "fine" institution there, fellas.

Please... that entire conference is crap, top to bottom, men's and women's.  No matter which team gets in, they're just going to get run out of the tournament in the first round.  The conference is full of schools that charge far too much for a mediocre education.

Oh, and roy, there's this wonderful thing called the internet.  You see, you can find almost any information on there if you don't mind spending, oh, I don't know, about two minutes looking for it.  So to say I'm a rabid CSC supporter, you're just plain wrong - most of you people on this board wouldn't know a good team if you saw one.  If anything, I just can't stand Gordon - they're easily the most overrated team in the region.  I only pointed out the CSC women because you only know about CCC teams, so I figured I'd appeal to your lower intellect - you know, keep it simple, stupid.

All I know is, CSC better enjoy tomorrow, because it'll be a long time before they get back to this point.

Love how your perspective has already changed, though.  At first it was, Gordon's in.  Now, it's if the favorites in the NESCAC and CSC win, Gordon's in. 

Hmm.... maybe it's finally sinking in that Gordon's not that good....

Oh, and "safety school" chants are only used by those who are in one.  But you knew that already.

NE hoops is just plain awful.  It's too bad none of you will ever see anyone from the WIAC play.  Even the bottom feeders there would demolish the top teams from the NE.

Let's look at this bit by bit, shall we?

Quote from: Maq Diesel on February 24, 2006, 11:10:55 AM
Counterstrike, quite frankly you are an idiot and you should think things through before you comment. 

Call for you from the black kettle on line one.....

QuoteI am not saying Gordon is defiantly in, but when the people at D3 have them on the front page as a virtual lock for a bid, that to me sounds like a pretty good indicator, as opposed to someone who has three posts all year, all coming within the last 24 hours. 

Frankly, if you believe everything that is posted there as far as the at-large bids, you'll have about 30 teams receiving one by the time this weekend's over..... 

QuoteHoops knows way more about this process than you so you should shut it and wait until Sunday like the rest of us. 

For all you know, I could be on the NE Region committe, correct?  You can speculate, I can speculate.

QuoteAnd as for your research skills in the NCAA DIII handbook, nice job finding the info, but you should learn to think critically about the material before commenting, they teach that to us here at Gordon.

To answer this one, I'll bring back part of an earlier quote from you....

QuoteI am not saying Gordon is defiantly in

Can you explain for me what "defiantly in" means?  Is that anything like "definitely in"?  Did they teach that to you at Gordon as well?

QuoteThere is no doubt in my mind that Gordon is not going to win a national championship, and there are probably 20 teams in the Midwest that have a better shot than anyone in NE, but the tournament is done regionally and the tournament committee is not going to be sending Midwest teams out to play in an eastern regional.  There probably are no championship caliber teams in the NE region but they aren't going to send all the pool C bids else where. 

So, you think that because the tournament is done "regionally," that means that they'll give out an equal number of spots to each region?  Um, nice try, but no.  All it means is that they compare teams within a region to determine most qualified teams.  When the NE committee meets on Sunday, they'll rank the teams most deserving of an at-large bid in that region.  Hoops is then right, they'll compare each region's number one, pick the best, then replace that region with their number two.  So in that way, it IS theoretically possible that all 18 at-large bids could come from the same region - won't happen, but in theory it would be possible (sort of like Communism).

Quote
To me that quote is as strong as a case for Gordon as anything else out there.

Stop being a loser fanboy and look at things objectively.  While regional record is one of the criteria for selection, it's just one piece to the entire puzzle.  Obviously, you haven't read the handbook, because if you did, you'd know that their regional ranking is only one element that will be evaluated.  Those primary criteria are (and, as the handbook states, NOT in preferential order):

• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Quality-of-Wins-Index (only contests versus regional competition)
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/
selection process only.
• Conference postseason contest(s) is included.
• Contest versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count
in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings
and selection.

A little critical thinking then, for you, diesel....  If there's only 18 at-large bids for the entire country, what makes you think that the Northeast will get any more than two?  If there's eight regions, it would stand to reason that it would average out that each region could reasonably get two at-large bids and that the two strongest regions would get three.  I just don't see the Northeast being one of the strongest regions in the country, and I certainly don't see one of two at-large bids going to a team that lost in the semifinals AT HOME to a team it had already beaten TWICE.  Of course, don't forget this came just two days after they barely squeaked by a 9-16 team AT HOME.

Let me reiterate my point from earlier....

Quote from: cstrike on February 24, 2006, 10:48:09 AM
If Gordon does get in, I'll at least be man enough, unlike some of the Gordon fans who showed up on here in droves after knocking off all-powerful and traditional powerhouse Nichols, to come on here after the fact and admit I was wrong.

If I'm right, though.....

Hoops,

I'm not as "new" as you might think, pal....

You keep forgetting that the D3 mentality isn't to provide for the best teams in the tournament, regardless of travel, missed class time and expense.  From the NCAA Championship handbook....

QuoteDivision III Philosophy
The Division III championships philosophy is to field the most competitive teams
possible while minimizing missed class time; to emphasize regional competition in
regular-season scheduling; and to provide representation in NCAA championship
competition by allocating berths to eligible conferences, independent institutions and a limited number of at-large teams, realizing that this may be done at the expense of leaving out some championship-caliber teams.

Having said that, keep in mind the regional numbers and the tournament size.  With keeping essentially pods of four, I can't see the northeast getting three full pods - it'll be more like two and having two teams shipped to New York (Colby-Sawyer's women were sent to Ithaca last year - you can get to close to Rochester before you run out of the 400 mile mark).

This isn't a sure thing.  If Gordon does get in, I'll at least be man enough, unlike some of the Gordon fans who showed up on here in droves after knocking off all-powerful and traditional powerhouse Nichols, to come on here after the fact and admit I was wrong.

If I'm right, though.....

Think it through, Hoops.... Trinity may be behind Gordon in the rankings, but can you honestly see the committee taking Gordon over Trinity?

If I'm a Gordon fan, I'm not feeling really happy about my chances right now, and I'm really not liking them if WPI gets upset.

Couple of thoughts....

Somehow, I wasn't shocked by roy_williams' response - typical of most fanboy homers.  (YAY!  LOOK AT US, WE'RE THE BEST!  EVERYONE ELSE IS CRAP!!)  I do give credit to the diesel and to Gordon and 24/7 for their mature handling of the loss, though.  Y'all gots a good team over there, any any time you can get 20 wins, you have to admit it's been a good year.

Still, I hope you enjoy the ECAC, fellas, cuz there's no way you're getting into the NCAA.  Yea, you might be 23-4 overall and 22-3 in the region, but those games against traditional powerhouses Johnson State, Newbury, Framingham State, Mount Ida and Piedmont aren't gonna help you out too much.  I mean, come on, in-region, Gordon's got a total of one non-league win against a team from a better conference than the CCC - MIT.  

Look at it this way:  There's seven AQs from NE (CCC, GNAC, LEC, MASCAC, NESCAC, NEWMAC, NAC).  The region most likely paired with the northeast would be the east, since there's only three AQs from there (Empire 8, Liberty League, SUNYAC).  There's 10 teams getting in there.  Between the two regions, you might get a total of 16 teams TOPS.  So you've got six pool C teams (I've also left out teams like NYU, Brandeis, and Rochester, which would count in that group even though their conference is spread among several regions).  Frankly, who'd you rather have, a Trinity or Hamilton, or a Gordon team that really hasn't played anyone?  Simply put, there's no way that the NE region gets more than three C bids.  

The fact of the matter is that the CCC isn't a good conference.  It's too big for its own good.  The fact that the top tier teams have to play ENC, AMC, Nichols, NEC, takes away from opportunities they could play real competition.  Add into that the fact you've got teams like Endicott and CSC that are willing to take their lumps and play better teams, and it makes Gordon's record look bad.

Look at the numbers, folks.  Gordon's Massey rating is 63rd in the nation.  Even if they just went straight down that list, that's not good enough to get in.  That's not to discredit their season, because Endicott's second in the league, but still 100 spots farther down.  As a league, the CCC North is the 35th-best league in the country, while factoring in the south, the CCC as a whole is 40th.  We're talking the D3 equivalent of the SWAC here, folks.

Don't believe me?  Check it out for yourself.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=6

NESCAC gets three bids (Trinity, Tufts, Amherst).  If WPI gets upset in their tourney, they get in.  My guess is that's it from NE.  I see 5/6 bids from the East paired with 10/11 from NE.

Now, before you jump down my throat on this, keep this in mind:  this represents more than 1/4 of the teams in the national tournament.  You won't see more than 16 teams come from these two regions, especially not when the midwest and great lakes are so strong.

Do I like it?  Not really.  But I'm not that much of a looooser fanboy to allow conference pride to mask facts.