Quote from: KnightSlappy on April 17, 2025, 12:51:54 PMSlightly off topic, but as I'm updating some of my personal conference tracking info, I still have C2C as being on track to lose their AQ in Men's basketball in 2026-27 if they do not add an additional member. The conference as a whole was saved from restricted status by approval of their request in for immediate application of new bylaw 20.9.1.2 (6 member minimum) in February's membership committee meeting, but I do not think this helps MBB.

This past season, 2024-25, they had 5 members: (Chris. Newport, Mary Washington, Salisbury, UC Santa Cruz, Warren Wilson). Grace year 1.

Next season, 2025-26, they will add two provisional members: Johnson and Wales (NC) and Regent, but these should not count toward minimums (until Year 3 provisional status). Grace year 2.

2026-27, C2C loses the AQ in MBB.

2027-28, Regent and J&W (NC) reach Year 3 and begin counting. Waiting year 1.

2028-29, Regent and J&W (NC) are full members. Waiting year 2.

2029-30, C2C regains MBB AQ.

Please let me know if I am not correct on this or if I am missing something.

I have verified that you are correct. Nicely done! A nice and easy explanation.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 15, 2025, 05:07:00 PMFWIW Sully charges $11.52 per semester hour for "athletic fees".  That's in addition to tuition of $225.80 per hour (state residents), "student service fees"of $22/sh, $5/sh for "student center fees", $43.87/sh for "institutional service" fees, and one time fees of $100 for recreational sports and $34 for medical services.  Out of state students pay the same except $645.80/sh for tuition. 

Interesting. I just looked up CNU's fees for Intercollegiate athletics and intramurals. $117.46 per credit hour.

I believe they stop at 12 credit hours because everything is listed as the cost for 12-17 hours per semester.

12hrs X 117.46 X 4500 students X 2 semesters per year. That's $12.7 million to cover athletics and intramurals. Plus ticket sales and donors. On another board I recently calculated that football and basketball ticket sales are approx $500k. I know the donor amount but am not allowed to say other than it is 7 figures per year.  Throw in merchandise on campus, on line and in numerous local stores and also toss in proceeds from CNU Captains Lager and it all adds up quickly.

I did find out just now that at some of the bigger schools, partial salaries of athletic department employees are funded by the state as a state employee. But only partially.

At CNU, no state funds are used for athletics. It comes from student fees and donors.

Quote from: Riley Zayas on April 15, 2025, 02:48:19 PMAgreed. I just think from their standpoint, scholarships go a long way in recruiting, especially as a public school. Not impossible to recruit without them, considering they were D3 for as long as they were, but it's hard to see where the benefit would be to SRSU returning to D3.

And yeah, the travel thing may have been used more for PR reasons than it actual reality, but I think about the future ASC setup. If SRSU returned to make it 7, they'd still need 4 non-conference football games and 13 non-conference basketball/soccer/volleyball.  In non-football sports, you hardly even have to play outside your league in the LSC. That saves money, because you're not spending several thousand to fly your men's basketball team to Colorado/Oregon/California or bus them to Arkansas for two games. Financially, it'd work fine with football...but it's all the other sports that would be of concern compared to the LSC schedule.

You mentioned the state pays for the scholarships. Is this a Texas thing? In Virginia, zero state funds are used for athletic expenses. Operational, scholarships, salaries etc. ZERO! I know, as an example, UVA has the VAF (Virginia Athletic Foundation) which is a private foundation that raises the money to fund all of UVA's athletic scholarships.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 11, 2025, 11:43:03 AM

Quote from: nescac1 on April 11, 2025, 11:31:22 AMWow that's crazy - I'd imagine that VERY few D3 schools have NIL money beyond what enterprising players can scrounge up themselves - most programs have no television revenue, no ticket revenue, and no or virtually no boosters, so I'm not even sure what that money would come from ...

You're operating in a New England/NESCAC framework.  A lot of schools around the country have large booster groups and quite a bit of ticket revenue.  Not sure too many are making much on broadcasting, but there are collectives at a lot of d3 schools that coaches use in recruiting.  We're not talking salaries like the d1 schools offer, but it can be a significant part of the consideration, like anything else in the financial aid package.

UW-Eau Clair averaged 900 per home game this year.  They charge $12/adult, $6/child for tickets.  That's a significant revenue stream - not to mention they're major sporting centers for decent sized towns.

Another reference point for those wanting to know more about revenue from ticket sales. CNU basketball average attendance was 731 per home game last season.

Individual tickets are $10/chair back and $5 for general admission. I would have to say at least half of the 731 are season ticket holders.

Season ticket pricing is $100 for the ticket for the season and also you must contribute another $300 to the athletic department.  The $300 can be applied across 6 tickets in a single purchase.

Another Revenue source is football. Average attendance last year was 3,128. Single game tickets, $10, $15, $20.

Season tickets - $75 for the 5 home games, plus a $400 contribution (applied up to 6 tickets). Annual tailgate pass is $100.

There are other options for football, but I won't bore you with details of all the options.

Throw in some tailgate passes and the total for men's basketball and football, ticket revenue approaches $500,000.  I had a lot of calculations and assumptions but just edited my post. All of the above adds up to approximately $500,000 for a football and basketball season combined.

Women's basketball also charges single game tickets. The season ticket prices above include men and women games.

Add in concessions and merchandise sales at the games, it adds up fast.

I tend to agree that playing a first year FCS school is way better than playing a sandlot game. Wesley did it when they played an Independent schedule and had to travel all over the place.

Wesley vs Charlotte

Thanks for the input. I can understand if someone feels they have a legit, or even a slight, chance at D1. Then go for it. NIL is real. Scholarships are real. But sometimes I come across someone in the portal and even amateur me knows they have no shot.

NIL in D3 is real. However, I know personally some of the deals made. It's hardly worth the "enter the portal to get a better deal at my existing school" category. I just don't see some of these local businesses entering a negotiation with a D3 athlete....."stay here and we will throw in an extra hoodie and a pair of shoes".

I still find it all interesting. My thoughts are that other than the elite d1 athletes who eventually turn professional, this entire NIL, portal concept is destroying the NCAA.

At the D3 level, what is the goal of entering the portal? Is it to see if a D1 school is interested? Is it to let other D3 coaches know you want to play somewhere else? What message does it send to your current coach?

Or do you simply enter the portal because it's there and seemingly everyone is doing it?

The reason I ask is because I just looked at the stats of one of the players mentioned below. I'm not impressed just based on stats. Played less than half the games as a freshman. 2.9ppg. 1.4rpg. more turnovers than assists.

What's the purpose? I know the answer is that for every individual there is a different purpose/goal. I remember when a CNU player was in the portal. Really good player but I had a feeling no D1 school would be interested. And they were correct in staying away from him.

I'm more curious than anything else. Just pondering life at the D3 level.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2025, 04:03:57 PMWe might have a better chance of getting Big South members to come to D-III. Would love to have them fill in our map.

Interesting

Well, if there is any consolation in having 2 teams in the top 10 on your schedule, it's that we play them at home. #4 Susquehanna and #6 Salisbury

CNU 2025 Schedule

I will like them off the court.
Dislike them while playing CNU

Quote from: HoopsDad34 on March 09, 2025, 12:44:11 AMYou read my mind...Sweet 16.

I'm trying to figure which UMW players to dislike for the next few years! 

Did I mention that UMW winning the C2C tournament was not a fluke?

They are going to be scary good for a few years. So many freshmen and sophomores!

Congrats to UMW. Defeated #25 Drew 73-58.

Also congrats to the CNU Captains. 101-75 winners vs John Jay.

Let's see what happens tomorrow night.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2025, 02:12:16 PMIt's nothing against the teams in this fake conference. They are basically independents in a conference by name only. It's a loophole to keep their AQ. I know it's not ideal and it's been discussed before, but I still think it's ridiculous that the NCAA allows them to do this. Even though they don't have a conference schedule, they have a conference tournament with an AQ and then MW upsets CNU and steals a Pool C bid from another team. That upsets me more this year because of that.

But back to my point. Even if they had played a conference schedule. UMW beats CNU in tournament. Nothing would be different. This is no different than any other conference tournament where there is an upset that busted a bubble. I believe there were at least 3 this  year.