Quote from: jimmyl7 on November 19, 2007, 10:26:55 AM
It might be a little early for All-American talks but what are the chances of little Z getting 1st or 2nd team?

RECEPTIONS/GAME  Team Cl  G   Rec  Yds TD Avg/C Rec/G Long
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1. Michael Zweifel..... RF   FR 10   97 1056  9  10.9  9.70   52

Those are some freakin unreal stats for a freshman wideout in the WIAC.  Not an easy league to do things like that..

When do those awards get voted on anyways?  

Those are great stats but I dont think he will get all-american status.  Heres some rediculous stats put up by a freshman this year:  Michael Crabtree for Texas Tech
125 rec.  1861 yrds. 14.9 avg. 21 tds.  The rec. yrds. and tds are all DI records for a freshman. old fresh records 98 rec.  1265 yrds.  14 tds.  NOW THAT IS SHATTERING RECORDS. And he still has a bowl game left.

Quote from: Goo 62 on November 14, 2007, 04:33:03 PM
WOW that is all I have to say some big surprises to me.  Like only one OLineman from UWW.  How about Blaziewske not making first team or Anthony White getting no regonition or Aaron Reusch. And Jace Rindhal is not Honorable Mention player.

Some definite rim jobs going on there if you ask me. 

Nice going to Mike Sherman and Dan Anstett and Jace Rindhal for being first timers up there. 
Dont get the Dan Hall first team especially without getting to 1,000 yards.  I find it hard to believe on the best D in the conference and top 5 in the country that there is only 3 first team all confernce players and no DB's.  Thats UNREAL

I understand that you think there should be more Whitewater players on first team.  But you cant just fill the first team with mostly Whitewater players.  I agree they should have had a dback on first team.  But if you look at last year on defense UWW had 4 on first team and 2 on second team.  This year its 3 and 3.  So its pretty similar.  I agee with your Dan Hall statement.  Im surprised Schils was 2nd team instead of first and Dustin Robinson was HM and not 2nd team. 

Quote from: natecook59 on November 14, 2007, 02:48:31 PM
I'm suprised they gave Dan Hall first team over Nathan Anderson.  I'm not trying to take away anything from Hall; I saw him play twice this season and he is an excellent back.  However, Anderson had a better season than Hall and should've gotten first team.


                                              GP ATT  YDS    YDS/C    TD     YDS/G      Long
Nathan Anderson..... RF   SR 10  321 1468   4.6        14     146.8       47
Dan Hall.................... LC  SR   9  203  986    4.9          9      109.6      94


Congratulations to all the players who were named to the WIAC All-Conference teams.

I was surprised, actually shocked that Anderson didnt get first team.  But then they already have 2 first team offensive players in Z and the olineman.  You cant really have 3 first team offense players on a team that won 3 games the whole year.  The only reason Hall made it ahead of Anderson is because LAX was 5-4 and River Falls was 3-7.  Beaver, Moriarty and Anderson are by far the 3 best backs in the league.

I was right.  I thought all along they would put 2 WIAC teams in as long as they didnt have 3 losses.  Shows that the committee does respect the tough WIAC conference

Im going to go out on a limb and say Eau Claire makes it over Whitworth.  I really think the committee will take 2 WIAC teams.  Whitworth has 2 losses just like Eau Claire.  I know people will say that Whitworths regional record is better.  So what.  I think they will take into account the strength of the WIAC.  I might be wrong but thats what I think might happen.

Quote from: BOBCAT04 on November 06, 2007, 06:31:15 PM
somebody is being a little hard on the beaver today

So was Eddie Haskell, Wally and Miss Clever.

Quote from: Warhawk 96 on November 06, 2007, 02:48:50 PM

Quote from: bobhawk on November 06, 2007, 12:24:48 PM
Can't argue with Mr. Downtown on that one.  Good call

I can. With three conference losses already the Titans could possibly finish with a 6-4 overall record and a losing conference record. The MVP of a conference should not have a losing conference record and should be the best player on the best team or at least the undisputed second place team. If you guys want to give him an award because he's your best player do it, that's what banquets are for

Another point is that Beaver has played much harder opponents than Moriarity. They both played Lakeland but instead of playing teams like St. Cloud State and Mary Hardin Baylor you guys played Huntingdon and Ripon......who can't even beat St. Norberts. With all that said and done Beaver still has 50 more yards? Give me a break, if he played those two teams instead it wouldn't even be a discussion.

We've already discussed the touchdowns and how we like to spread the ball around in the redzone and use him as a decoy sometimes. Maybe that's also the reason why we are number one in the redzone instead of fourth. We'll put up points while you build Mo's stats........good call.

You said this: "The MVP of a conference should not have a losing conference record and should be the best player on the best team or at least the undisputed second place team."
Really. Thats the problem with MVP awards these days.  It shouldnt be called the MVP award if thats the way it should be given out it should be the MVPOTTWTBRA (Most Valuable Player On The Team With The Best Record Award).  In 1997 the Detroit Lions went 9-7.  That tied them for 3rd in the NFC central with the Vikings and behind the 13-3 Packers and the 10-6 Buccaneers, but yet Barry Sanders tied with Favre for the MVP.  A lot of people think he should have won it outright and the only reason Favre got it because they wanted someone to have the MVP 3 years in a row.  So I guess you dont have to be on the best team to get the MVP award. 

Mr. Downtown:
Its good to see someone agrees with me

Quote from: voice on November 05, 2007, 06:47:19 PM
IHAVESOMETHINGTOSAY...

You're right, only THREE (not two) regular season games the past three seasons under 100 yards.  With that said I need to say he doesn't deserve the recognition of being the top running back in the WIAC this season.

By the way, UW-Stout has revised Justin Beavers rushing total from Saturday's game. He is now credited with a 44 carry, 194 yard rushing performance including a 63 yard first half touchdown.

Voice:  now if he would have had 80 yards instead of 77 then I would say hes the best back this year. (Just so people know, IM JOKING) So they dont think I hate Whitewater.

Quote from: voice on November 05, 2007, 06:33:51 PM
Justin Beaver has had just regular season games since the beginning of 2005 that he has not gained at least 100 yards rushing in a game.  It was back-to-back nonconference games in 2006... Lakeland (52 yards in a 76-14 win) and  Azusa Pacific (86 yards in a 27-7 victory).  He also set an NCAA, All-Division rushing record of 2,420 yards in 2005. Just dropping some facts in the on-going argument.

This years game against UMHB he had 77 yards. 

Quote from: Warhawk 96 on November 05, 2007, 05:46:42 PM

Quote from: ihavesomething2say on November 05, 2007, 03:52:40 PM

Quote from: Warhawk 96 on November 05, 2007, 02:38:44 PM
Beaver is the best back to come out of this league in the last six years. No need for me to say anything to support it, that's why we have record books. To say that he's not that important to our team is a joke.

Moriarity is not on the level of Beaver. If he was, when his QB decides to have a bad day, Oshkosh can still win with him.

Ihavesomethingtosay- A lot of us don't crucify you. I don't even think you realize how negative your opinions are towards us and it's just because you simply don't like us. That's fine, to each his own but frankly most times we disregard your outlandish and sometimes ridiculous posts because your hatred has blinded you to what reality is.

ps. How come nobody has mentioned Mike Ferron for all-conference? From what I've heard he is more than a handful and a big reason why Point is doing so much better.

I never said I dont like Warhawk people.  Why would I hate you?  You like your team, why would I hold that against you.  It may seem like I don't like you guys because I take shots at you once in a while but it's all in fun.  I don't mean harm by it.  I have no problem with Beaver and think he's great player.  I never said he wasn't important to your team.  Don't misconstrue what I am saying.  What I meant was you could put a back up RB in for Whitewater (like last year) and they would still win.  You could put Oshkosh's back up in and they would be a lot more worse off than if Whitewater had to play their back up.  I don't have hatred toward anybody so I'm not blinded by it.  But that's your opinion.

I think Ferron didn't play this week and I watched Stevens Point game on tv last week and he got hurt in the first half.  It's hard to be all conference when you dont play in all the games and 5 guys have more rushing yards than you.  Could be a possible first teamer next year.

I may have you out to be someone different but I thought you were the guy when WW lost to St. Cloud made that "oh Whitewater lost " remark. If I have the wrong guy then I apologize. I do appreciate the "beaver" joke every now and then, but that goes a little bit beyond banter and more of wishing bad things upon them (not to sound that serious but I think you understand what I mean). If a conference team was playing against someone from a ifferent conference I would hope that they would want the conference team to win (unless they have some kind of tie to that other school).

Good point about Ferron. It's too bad he's missed a lot of time. At least he's only a sophmore

Im pretty sure I didnt make the remark you are talking about and I dont make any "beaver" jokes.  Thats like beating a dead horse(sorry didnt mean to bring that saying up again).  And I do want conference teams to beat non-conference teams.  Makes us look better.

If Eau Claire wins they have a chance.  They probably need a couple teams to lose but they have a chance.  The WIAC is the #1 ranked conference and with Whitewater putting  a beating on MHB increases the chance of the #2 team in the conference to make.  That win against MHB makes the conference look even stronger.  Not saying they will get in but I bet it makes the panel think about them.

Quote from: Warhawk 96 on November 05, 2007, 02:38:44 PM
Beaver is the best back to come out of this league in the last six years. No need for me to say anything to support it, that's why we have record books. To say that he's not that important to our team is a joke.

Moriarity is not on the level of Beaver. If he was, when his QB decides to have a bad day, Oshkosh can still win with him.

Ihavesomethingtosay- A lot of us don't crucify you. I don't even think you realize how negative your opinions are towards us and it's just because you simply don't like us. That's fine, to each his own but frankly most times we disregard your outlandish and sometimes ridiculous posts because your hatred has blinded you to what reality is.

ps. How come nobody has mentioned Mike Ferron for all-conference? From what I've heard he is more than a handful and a big reason why Point is doing so much better.

I never said I dont like Warhawk people.  Why would I hate you?  You like your team, why would I hold that against you.  It may seem like I don't like you guys because I take shots at you once in a while but it's all in fun.  I don't mean harm by it.  I have no problem with Beaver and think he's great player.  I never said he wasn't important to your team.  Don't misconstrue what I am saying.  What I meant was you could put a back up RB in for Whitewater (like last year) and they would still win.  You could put Oshkosh's back up in and they would be a lot more worse off than if Whitewater had to play their back up.  I don't have hatred toward anybody so I'm not blinded by it.  But that's your opinion.

I think Ferron didn't play this week and I watched Stevens Point game on tv last week and he got hurt in the first half.  It's hard to be all conference when you dont play in all the games and 5 guys have more rushing yards than you.  Could be a possible first teamer next year.

I didnt mean Oshkosh's oline is terrible.  They're alright but there not Whitewaters line.  Oshkoshs center is pretty good, first team all conference worthy.  But hes probably the only one that I think would get to play for Whitewater.

This is funny and it doesnt bother me, but, you Whitewater fans are blind.  Not all, but most.  I understand why you say Beaver is the best he plays for you guys.  Im a fan of neither Whitewater or Oshkosh.  I dont care about either team.  But from observing I feel Andy Moriarty is better and here is why.  His oline, is nowhere near Whitewaters online.  So to say that he doesnt do anything against Whitewater and Stout.  Could that be cause the online isnt as good.  Does Beaver play against Whitewater? No.  Let him put on the Oshkosh jersey and play against Whitewater.  I bet he doesnt do better.  Moriarty is harder to bring down.  Look at the stats.  They both played 9 games.
Beaver: 282 carries
Moriarty: 261
Beaver: 1519 yards
Moriarty: 1476
Beaver: 5.4 ypc
Moriarty: 5.7
Beaver: 7 td
Moriarty 14
Beaver: 1521 All-purp
Moriarty: 1720

Yes Moriarty didnt play against Hardin Baylor but his other non-conference game was a cupcake.  But Beaver didnt play Whitewater. 
I dont care if you dont like my opinion.  But Im just defending my view.  Looking at these stats and knowing that Whitewater probably has the best oline in D3 college football I dont see how Beaver is better.  Plus, Whitewater has more weapons and I gaurentee defenses are keying on Moriarty more knowing the Oshkoshs recievers arent the threat that Mrvicka(sp?) is.  Thats just my opinion and just showing you why I think it.
And I still stick with it that Moriarty is more valuable to his team.