I did my homework and was only talking about the NCAA tourny.
I will not be part of an ECAC discussion as it is not worth much discussion.

So the answer was none as to how many playoff wins (NCAA) RPI had without their great class.   They were fun to watch.

I know one thing.. the people are into this chatter.

By the QB comparison of Curry.

How many playoff games has St John Fisher won with out the QB who graduated last year?   

Wins by RPI without Cochran?

This is a very tough barometer because with the breakout of a program is usually a keystone player. 

At this point if you think Curry is now a solid playoff team you will see that.

If you feel Curry needs to further prove itself than IMO you may always feel this way or just plain want to.

PC.. I feel you route against Curry and the NEFC.  
You should be an innocent observer but it may be otherwise.

Hobart has not had great football for 25 years.  No way..
The first time I thought they were really good was in 1998.  
For the past 10 years they are as good as anyone week in and week out in the East.  Mike Craig has done an outstanding job... just outstanding.

I am all over the place.. I know but I am having a great time typing D3 football with others who love it.
I wish you guys lived on my block.. I would make you hot cocco and trade baseball cards.

Wow..hold on....
The Mass state kids have not picked the NEFC schools football programs over the IC program.  They picked the price tag people.  IC's financial aid dried up in the early 90's.  So the Mass kid who needs aid stays home.  Over the course of time the Football programs get better.. much better.

IC has moved it's recruiting base as far as out of state to the wealthy suburbs north of Philly... look at the roster.  

For this same reason Hobart has emerged in IC's back yard... they give great packages and poach talent.  It spreads out and more and more teams are brought back to the middle.  

Since when was St. John Fisher so good.... well now your preception is they are because of a few good years and a nice game v MUC one time.

There was once a time that my perception was the NESCAC was for softies.
Well I have seen Trinity play and the East would prefer the NESCAC stay out of the playoffs.

There is just no true eastern power any more...

Oh, and now Curry needs to beat Cortland to earn your respect.  That is just not fair.  

I wish we could all sit down and have a cup of coffee over this stuff.
I never said world beaters.... but they belong.

Once upon a time RPI was an after thought.... than they do some good things and they belong.

Hobart was not even a thought years ago..... now they belong.

Perception is what you want.  Including the old guard of the east.

The entire NJAC gets to ride the coat tails of the Rowan great teams and they all belong.  
I mean Montclair with an undergrad enrollment of 13,500 gets upended.
I thought they belong.

Cortland may smash Curry... Curry needed to get a hotel in central NY as going there twice in a week will take its toll.
Cortland might not smash Curry.... who really knows.


I do not conveniently leave out the times of the NEFC or FFC's failures but point out that this stuff happens all the time.

The 6-3 Ithaca team that beat Worcester State in 96 ECAC was lucky to win.  IC did not score on offense that day... blocked punt for a score and a pick 6 on defense.   W State was alot better and stronger than anticipated.
That IC team was loaded by the way.. loosing to AIC, Spr (D2 types) and a Buff State team that was top shelf.  

PC.. that is the best you have "they need to schedule someone"  so you know.  It is fact... you now know.  Curry is good and will be good.
Why do they need to play Someone from NJ or NY and take on a travel expense?  So you know?  The NCAA knows too... they knew before the game.  They can drive two hours and get a game.  Maybe you missed the boat on an entire conferece.  That is just not fair. 

Seems like the Fitchberg Curry game was indeed a good one.

The best player on the field that day was not even one of Curry's guys.
It was Thornton and Miller was #2.

Before the AQ these teams did not even get a chance.
Long before D3.com in the 16 team field years it was roughly the same 16 teams getting in.

I remember a PSU team comming up to South Hill field in 87 and beating IC in an ECAC game.

How about the 17-16 victory of CNJ over CGA in 96??

Look at the scores

How about RPI?? Who should they play?  So we know?
Utica and Endicott.  They get not a second look at that.
Had they won in week 10 they and Hobart were in.

Look back to Rowan v Bridgewater... two good teams in a good evenly matched game.  Top half type teams in their leagues.

Look at Montclair yesterday... wow the #2 NJAC team gets it handed to them.  Well Albright is good and that can happen.

My point is you can no longer make bold brushing statements about the East.  Every league has its good teams, average ones and bad teams.

IC used to have a roster loaded with the best D3 players from Mass.
Now they go to Curry and other NEFC teams. 

Curry does not have to do anything to satisfy anyone.
Anyone who can dominate an 18 team league gets and the runner up needs to get a hard look. 

The playing field is level and now alot of people shake their head and say it has come to this.

Upstate and Union I am with you on Curry being the NEFC's best.

I will tell you that the rest of the league is franticly trying to keep past.

Realize these are mostly state run schools and are sort of sleeping giants.
The coaching is way up.

Fitchberg, Westfield and WState all have new fields in the last few years.

Bridgewater has an undergrad enrollment of 7,800.  Very well coached and every bit as physical as Curry.  I saw BWater live this year.

Fitchberg has an outstanding offensive coach with their head guy (Worked with Leach from TT at some point)
When they are in 4 wides they are very hard to stop... just alot of athletes on the field and the running back (S.Conn transfer) is top tier at the same level of the Galliard kid (AIC late 90's)
The QB Miller is tall (6'6) and on the money.


Frammingham had its first non loosing season since 1986... the spread has done wonders for them.  Not to mention they are doing a bit of coaching as well.

Take a look at the Curry v Fitchberg boxscore from early on. 

All good talk.

Dan.. thanks for the point.  I did not realize the field was unplayable.
But thanks to field turf there was no mud. 
I have always thought in muddy games the big team that goes straight just has a hug advantage. At least that was taken out of the equation.

At the very least the East has their eyes opened on the NEFC..
is that agreed upon?

Clandfan.. that was a classy post. 

Congrats to Curry, its players and coaches.  Wonderful win.

Actually when you consider IC's record in the decade at home
I think 44-5, the win was massive and can not be brushed aside on any level.

Wonderful day for an entire league.  There are alot of players who care about football and their teams in the NEFC.  They have heard from many that they were not up to snuff... they can all take some pride in this day.

Cudos NEFC.

Fella's first off.. If Ithaca's players could not see that Curry beat the E8 Champ last year in Hartwick they made a serious mistake.  I do not see how that could happen.

Curry College is just as physical as any E8 team week in and week out.
That is now fact as they have handed the E8 losses the last two years.

My close friend said that Curry was faster than IC in many key positions.
He was at the game.

In the 18 team NEFC there are a few bottom feeders but I can assure you that the  top 8 teams can play.

Just refer to the Bridgwater v Rowan boxscore people.

The entire east is near parallel in my eyes.  If the  NEFC's administrations got their stuff in order they would be no different than the NJAC or E8.
Actually the NEFC should now break up and stay two totally different leagues for the playoff spots. 

Curry has its self together.
Started with Steve Nelson (are any of the E8, LL or NJAC teams coached by a legendary NFL player, not)...Skip Bandini has carried the torch very well.
They are well coached in all areas.  I mean Mosi Tatupu has had their special teams cranked up for years.

They do very well recruiting in Boston, which arguablly has a better DIII talent base than IC and the rest of the E8 can take a 15 minute drive to.

We are not talking about DIII football programs from Texas and NY but Mass and NY.  There really is not that much difference in pure talent between the types of players from either states. 

*235 total yards is Ithaca's lowest offensive output of the season.
*235 total yards was Rowans second lowest offensive output of the season behind the 225 it had in its loss to Kean.
*288 total yards is Cortlands lowest offensive output of the season v Plymouth today as well.

Smell the coffee... stop laying it on thick on the NEFC..

My very good source said that Curry practiced 4 days last week.  My very good source is a Curry coach.

I do not know where I mentioned PSU beating Cortland.
I only mentioned their style of play.
The whole point was made in response to who would have an advantage in an IC v Cortland rematch in playoff round two.
That was all.

Ok, I will go away.  I have not stated that BSU would be NJAC champ.
BSU would not be a bottom feeder in the NJAC.  
They have an undergrad enrollment of 7,800.

My position lies in the numbers.

If Rowan was so powerful they should have destroyed BSU, regardless of experience or inexperience ...they could not.  

I get it..

Rowan is allowed to imporve as the season goes on.

Bridgewater is not.  That is how you want to see it that is fine.