Quote from: BigPoppa on October 28, 2010, 08:36:04 AM

Quote from: goldengear on October 28, 2010, 08:30:04 AM

Quote from: REDMENFAN on October 26, 2010, 04:06:07 PM
Goldengear what are you trying to get at here? I don't know the entire story, but it is pretty evident that CUC's previous head coach broke the law on numerous occasions, and it will be proven by overwhelming evidence in court. 

Not to get in the way of your mcartheyesque witch hunt, but if "it's pretty evident" he broke the law even though you don't know the story (by your own admission), where is the indictment?

Goldengear, I am not sure you know the entire story either. I suggest it stays off the board so that rumors do not get started.

If you read my post, I'm talking in general terms about the tight rope that coaches walk, I thought you were a coach at one time? if so would think you would understand that, I'm sure the new coach is a great guy, don't know him, but for you all (all Carthage fans it seems) to pile on on a man without knowing the story is rather weak.

Quote from: REDMENFAN on October 26, 2010, 04:06:07 PM
Goldengear what are you trying to get at here? I don't know the entire story, but it is pretty evident that CUC's previous head coach broke the law on numerous occasions, and it will be proven by overwhelming evidence in court.  

Not to get in the way of your mcartheyesque witch hunt, but if "it's pretty evident" he broke the law even though you don't know the story (by your own admission), where is the indictment? again though you "don't know the story" you conclude that "it will be proven by overwhelming evidence in court"

College sports and coaches are really all on thin ice, all it takes is an overeager assitant with the ear of the a.d. and support of some of the easily influenced players and your career can be out the window. Usually the turncoat falls flat on his face.

Quote from: OshDude on May 14, 2010, 12:53:08 PM
No. 4 seed Aurora's Steve Salazar outduels No. 1 seed Edgewood's Scott Winters to win, 4-2, in Game 1. Salazar faded late, but Shawn Gorsline got out of a bases loaded, one jam in the 8th with only one run allowed.

Salazar with 10 K's and three hits allowed in 7.1 IP. Winters struck out seven in 9 IP. EC may have cost itself with questionable baserunning late.

Wind blowing out today in Madison. Thanks for the great live coverage, Edgewood!

Edgewood is hosting at Rockford.

Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on May 13, 2010, 08:33:41 PM
Fifth place in the NathCon may sound bad but by the selection criteria it doesn't really matter. Conference finish isn't part of the equation so whether their first or tenth in their conference it is all the same in the committee's eyes. At least that's how the selection reads.

You can kid yourself that it doesn't matter, but in reality just look at the new regional rankings. Rockford and CUC have very similar SOS figures - CUC has a very much better regional record and they split thier games at Rockford,  yet Rockford is ranked ahead of them, only logical reason being...

Interesting strategy by CUC, throw your studs in non-conference games against top teams mid week to pick up some quality wins (against thier probably 6th if that pitcher) and hope to eek by come weekend and the conference games.

Actually the tourney site lists Edgewood as being the 1 seed, not sure how they came to that conclusion.

I think you have it correct about the seedings, I can't imagine they will make it - but it could only help CUC not making the tourney - they are at best the 5th best team in the Conference and playing in the tourney would only cement that view as they would have suffered a couple losses for sure.

I would say that the chances of any team other than the tourney champion going range from at best not good to at worst plain not going to happen.

Don't let the regional rankings fool you, when you are going for the last spots, it is open game between all the regions.

If Carthage or IWU and Beloit met 100 times who would win how many? I'd say Beloit is losing 90+ against either of them - even with the struggles each team has had - it is just a different level of play.

Quote from: BigPoppa on March 24, 2009, 02:41:15 PM

Quote from: goldengear on March 24, 2009, 01:52:28 PM
Big Poppa, you do realize that Aurora isn't in Central anymore?

WOW!!! Tahnks, goldengear. My mind has not yet adjusted to the new regional alignments. Thanks for reminding me.

No problem, appreciate your rankings and posts, but you can't be serious about Beloit are you?, I don't know who they played down in Florida, but since being back up North they are 6-0, which is awesome - but 4 wins against MSOE and 2 against Wisconsin Lutheran, both fine schools, but well you know enough about the game..

Big Poppa, you do realize that Aurora isn't in Central anymore?

Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on March 01, 2009, 09:53:33 PM

Quote from: goldengear on February 25, 2009, 08:14:04 AM
Each coach votes, and it being spring hopes and dreams are running high, so I would think that each of those who ended up with 1st Place votes - voted for themselves and those 6 without hope, or more commonsense than hope I should say.

Unless this conference does it different than any other conference I know of this isn't true. Generally in polls like this you don't vote for where you think where your team will end up, just the 11 other teams.

This isn't like most conferences

Each coach votes, and it being spring hopes and dreams are running high, so I would think that each of those who ended up with 1st Place votes - voted for themselves and those 6 without hope, or more commonsense than hope I should say.

copy of my post on the national board about Pool B contenders

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2008, 11:16:29 AM

Quote from: BRONKO7 on May 05, 2008, 10:34:46 AM
Not a good weekend for some of the Pool B's good for others:

Good:
Conc (ILL)--Beat MSOE once
St. Scholastica sweeps DH vs Bethany Luth.

Bad:
Rockford--Loses 2 against Benedictine & 1 to U of Chicago
                Beats up on Carthage          Really hurts Carthage in Pool C
Ithaca--Loss @ Oneonta                 Probably can afford the losses
             Loss vs PS-Behrend
             Win vs York (Pa)

Ugly:
St. Johns Fischer--Loses 4 in a row to RIT (ouch)
Juniata--Split with U of Scranton     also ugly
              Loss vs Catholic

Salisbury, Chapman, Piedmont: No Worries they're in...
Emory is playing the waiting game.

Great assessment!  +1 

Before you classify Conc-Il as having a "good" week, you will need to take into account while they did beat MSOE , they also lost to them, and MSOE is not a good team to say the least.

My guess is that there will be one contender for Pool B/C to come out of the Nathcon, that would be whomever wins the post season tourney, Rockford and Benendictine are co regular season champions, If either of them or Conc-Chi wins out in the tourney that will be their contender, Rockford and Conc-Chi would be the strongest contender if they win but they would basically eliminate themselves if they do not. I don't see Marian going even if they win, if Benedictine wins they will have a shot but perhaps less so than Rock or Conc-Chi.

Whether that contender makes the cut or not is open to debate, I would tend to think that they will make it, due to 1.) the winner will be pretty much equal with other contenders in the applicable criteria, 2.) the down year of Washington Univ in St. Louis leaves an extra spot in the Central Region (yes I know they can move teams from region to region but there does seem to be a slight reluctance to do so and that may favor a Nathcon team) 3.) I think the ncaa will find it hard to let a 12 school member conference get shut out two years in a row, especially as it would be a close call, last year champions was right there but did not make it, to have another champion with solid enough credentials get shut out would probably cause a problem on some level, there has already been some uproar about another sport.

That all being said, Nathcon does alot of things that don't quite make sense, they could have organized their conference in such a way as to not have to wait 2 years for the AQ from what I've been told (it is basically the merger of a couple conferences, which I believe had AQs). Also the typical weekend sees teams playing a minimum of 36 conference innings, 9 inning double headers saturday and sunday, then throw in some inevitable rainouts and you end up playing 54, 72, or 90 conference innings a week then try to beat some of the non conference regional opponents on your off day. What do you need a 20 man pitching staff to do that? In comparison the CCIW plays 2-9's and 1-7 a week, much easy on the staffs and their teams ability to win non conference games. Then you move on to the upcoming tourney, they squeeze a 4 team double elimination into two days, Friday you have 1-4 and 2-3, then wg1-wg2, then lg1-lg2, then Saturday they make the 2 remaining teams play at 9 am, after playing 2 games the previous day and then the winner of that needs to beat the 2-0 team twice thereby winning 3 straight 9 inning games on a Saturday, who comes up with this stuff a bean counter?

I'll post this also on the Natcon board as most of it seems to be conference issues.