Quote from: LUMAN80 on February 24, 2006, 01:18:59 AM
i'm surprised the man knows from lakeland even can spell referee

You can't even type a coherent sentence. So stop knocking some other school's academics.

I'm sure their QOWI will take a hit if they lose in the tourney. It will be a home loss, wich I believe has less point value. And if it's to anybody but MSOE it will be worth even less. So as long as the CCIW teams lose to a respectable team in their tourney, and the same goes for Carroll in the MWC, it won't be much of a quandary. Lakeland will be out.

Quote from: Big_Uns on February 08, 2006, 04:07:48 PM

Quote from: tommy_devito on February 08, 2006, 03:19:06 PM
I take it you haven't been to many WIAC games in your time?

Is it heat of the moment or just being a baby?

Good point. Maybe a little bit of both?

Quote from: Big_Uns on February 08, 2006, 03:05:33 PM
And I'm not sure how many other coaches would blame the heat of the moment for marching out to center court to protest a call that wasn't even that bad in the first place.

I take it you haven't been to many WIAC games in your time?

Old School, it may be a 'good luck' that Edgewood beat Point. In 99-00 Edgewood beat Point, Point won the WIAC. In 00-01 Edgewood beat Whitewater, Whitewater won the WIAC (co-champs with Point). Last year Edgewood beat Platteville, Platteville won the WIAC (co-champs with Point). So who knows?

Muskie Fan South, I'm assuming you were at the game. How does a good defensive team like Lakeland let a guy shoot 8-12 from 3's? Wouldn't they just clamp down on the guy after he made a few? Or was he J.J. Reddick's twin last night?

Old School, I think you are blowing this loss out of proportion just a bit, but also exposing one of Lakeland's weaknesses.

Quote from: Old School on February 03, 2006, 01:05:43 AM
But, what does this say about the strength of the LMC and Lakeland more specifically.

The two other top teams in the LMC beat Benedictine at Benedictine just a month ago so I don't think it hurts the strength of the LMC vs. the NIIC that much. Marian - 7th - beat Clarke, and Dominican - 4th - beat Aurora. Clarke and Aurora are the NIIC's top two teams this season. The LMC is 12-5 against the NIIC. An improvement over previous years I'm sure.

As some referenced earlier this game may have been a trap game for Lakeland. Yet it also shows one of their weaknesses, playing on the road. Not to take anything away from Lakeland's season, but they are only 7-4 on the road.

Quote from: Old School on February 03, 2006, 01:05:43 AM
Not to take anything away from the Bens or even Rockford for that matter, but the NIIC is hardly a power conference and Lakeland has managed to lose to both of them.

Not to take anything away from Clarke, Lakeland or Edgewood, but the NIIC and LMC are hardly power conferences and Point has managed to lose to all three of them.  Yet Point is only a half game back from first place in the WIAC, the best conference in the nation year in and year out IMHO. And is it really fair to call it a down season for Point? They are still in the hunt for the league title with a few games left to play. I suppose after winning back to back national titles, anything less is a down season. But the season is still going and Point proved two years ago they don't even have to win their conference to win the national title.

I can't believe the LMC got a headline over the WIAC and Midwest.

Could the LMC get its first NCAA tournament win this season?

I agree with Old School that WLC could pull out an upset this Saturday. With a loss at Edgewood and a close win at home against Concordia, MSOE has shown that they are beatable. If Lakeland keeps up what they are doing, they will probbly be untouchable. The fish will sweep MSOE. that is of course if that last game means anything for the fish.

As far as POY goes I still think that Saiberlich and James are in the hunt. Followed by Mikos and Bayiha. If both teams fall apart, but I don't see that happening and Dominican finishes out strong then Haiduc should get some consideration. Perhaps even Averkamp if Edgewood keeps grinding out wins and the top two teams fall apart. But let me repeat, I dont see that happening at least not to both of them. Peets could be in consideration, but the dirty birds keep piling up too many losses.

Just for argument's sake. Here are some interesting tidbits I found out.
Here are all the conferences in the mid-west region's all-conference awards listed with the place of the award winner's team.
conference POY ROY COY
LMC         1   1   1
CCIW        1   x   1
NIIC        1   1   1
SLAIC       2   2   1
MWC         2   x   1
HCAC        5   8   1

X means they don't have a ROY award. The 2nd place team in the SLIAC won their tourney.
The CCIW and the HCAC are the only conferences to call POY something else. CCIW - MOP, HCAC - MVP.

So to answer some previous questions, it looks like there is a difference from POY and MVP as the HCAC was the only conference to give the top player award to a team not in the top 2 of the conference.

I don't know what not starting has to do with getting the ROY award. EW probably made the changes for match-up reasons. And they won those games, so that was obviously a good call. Averkamp still had good games when not starting - 19 points, 10 boards at Lutheran - 12 points, 5 boards against Lakeland - 11 points, 5 boards against Concordia - and 3 wins.  

DF, what is it stupid that the coaches vote on the awards? At D3, it wouldn't make sense to have the media do it.

And Zeck is a better choice for POY becasue he averaged a double double in the conference, and his team finished 3rd, not second to last place. Lakeland would have finished 6th without Zeck. MSOE finished 6th with Mikos. Mikos is a great player, but he just doesn't deserve to be POY if he can't get his team the wins. He started to do that at the end of the season -wins over Lutheran, EW, and CUW and almost another over Lutheran in the tourney - and if he continues that next season he's a lock for POY in 2006.

But don't forget to add Mikos 3.6 TO's a game to those stats. Something he'll need to improve on.  And the award is based on how he did in the conference, not the nation. I'm not saying that's right, but that's what the coaches look at. But don't lose hope. Keep talking him up and maybe he will make the D3hoops.com all-region team. With his stats, he should have a good shot - and so should KC for that matter.

Rigged -- the coaches vote on the awards. And if you actually knew what you were talking about, Skipper Noon is the President of the LMC from what I could find.

Mikos for POY? See my earlier post. If anyone else you could argue Zeck over Mikos easily. Zeck AVERAGED a double double and his team tied for 3rd. But I already said it should be KC, so lets get over it.  

How will Lutheran be #1 seed next season? Losing KC = losing record in conference. That is unless some big time frosh is coming in. Any news on recruits?

And Busty, I don't mean to rip you a new one, but just don't go spouting off on pure emotion alone, have some facts to back things up.

Look at last year's POY or the year before's COY. Its obvious that the post-season is considered. And unless the league would have a seperate All-tourney team, I don't see why it shouldn't be because all 7 teams get to play in the tourney.  

It's obvious that it's not a MVP, it's a POY - that what the award is called. What good does it do to be your team's MVP if your team is second to last in the league -- Mikos on MSOE, with out him they would probably have been 2-10, and averaged double digit losses -- I'm not slamming him, just showing an example.

How could you say that Larson doesn't deserve COY? EW won the title outright and were picked to finish second - they did beat CUW when Weitor was playing. They became the first 1 seed to win the tourney too. EW was one of only 2 LMC teams to have a winning record - overall record that is. Deserved and congrats.

But I agree that KC should have gotten the POY award. Edgewood was just too balanced to have one person singled out. KC was a great player on a good team. Lutheran was in the title hunt in the last game of the season, and it was due to KC.