Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on November 30, 2008, 03:37:50 PM
Hey man I'm predicting a national championship for a team in your conference, not many schools can boast that. 

Bobby,

That prediction didn't escape me.  Please forgive my feeble attempt at some humor.  We just got shutout by a really good team but it doesn't hurt any less so real humor will have to wait for another day.

Quote from: E8 on November 30, 2008, 03:19:30 PM
BOLTUS... Fortunately, during the Fisher/Hartwick broadcast this year, there were two scouts in to see Boluts that day seated right next to us; Bills and Vikings.   At the break, I had a chance to talk with these scouts and they were impressed with him and one of them said "he's the real deal".   We can ALL speculate on knowing what it takes to make it in the NFL, but I am going to yield to the actual NFL scouts.  We'll see Boltus on an NFL team next year.  Whether practice squad or roster, he'll be there.

Good luck to him.

I saw Boltus play at Curry last year.  I was truly impressed by his ability, his cool and courage under fire.  He will play at the next level somewhere.  If not immediately in the NFL then either Canada or the Arena football league for a few years before making the jump to the NFL.

I join you in wishing him the best of luck.

Quote from: nolinenoglory on November 29, 2008, 03:11:05 PM
Ok Ok I'm eating crow as we speak. I was listening to it on the stream. It was all field position today. My hats off to thier punter, pinning them down every punt. I was very surprised Curry couldn't get going. Seems like PSU gave them a better game. Now get the job done and beat Mt Union.

Congrats Cortland

As another of the NEFC guys I also want to add my congrats to Cortland.  I am also surprised Curry couldn't get going but I think that is due to an outstanding game plan and superb execution by the Cortland defense.  My hats off to Miles who I think played an outstanding game.

I would love to see Cortland beat MUC.  I know I'll be rooting for you.

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on November 29, 2008, 05:23:01 PM
Curry once again has a suprise upset in the first round and then gets promptly put in their place in the 2nd round.  But hey they seem to have gotten a hang of the first round thing, and maybe in 5 years they will get a hang of the 2nd.  Then in 8-10 more years the 3rd round won't be so bad.  Then in another 10 years the 4th round will be solved.  15 years after that they will win the championship.  So around 2050 is looking pretty good for the NEFC. 

Oh, ok, Bobby what else do your crystal marbles tell you?  Ever consider changing your chat name to Nostradamushasgameyo?

Congratulations to Cortland State.  That's a complete and total victory.

My congratulations to the Curry team and especially the graudating seniors.

Congratulations to Cortland State.  What an impressive and total victory.  Best of luck to all the players and coaches and I'll be rooting for you against MUC.

Quote from: Union89 on November 23, 2008, 08:58:25 PM

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Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 07:02:28 PM
Each of the other No. 7 seed has won playoff games with quarterbacks other than their current ones.

I guess you didn't read the post I was responding to, then. Mel said Curry is good and will be good. I don't think there are facts in evidence to suggest the latter, only the former. And that's why I note that Curry's only playoff wins are with the current quarterback, who is a senior.

You make it out to be an unsolicited shot at Curry, when in fact, I was called out by name and a claim was made that has dubious support. I called that assertion into question.

Are you following now?

Pat,

Yeah I am with you now.  I hope you will understand that my request for a re-evaluation of the NEFC comes from frustration (not with you).  As I said in my earlier post you're the big dog so you get the heat.  For that you have my appreciation and if I offened you my apologies. 

We're hopefully cool now?  Peace.

Pat's a good dude ...took me a while to understand this...but he is.....  You are by FAR the most knowledgable NEFC guy here.....Keep posting and don't get discouraged....we need more guys like you.

PS - Again we will call you a clown and an assmonkey, but you can call us the same

U89,

Thanks for the kind words.  I'll be around, and most times not sound like an assmonkey or clown.  But you know everyone slips up.

Quote from: Reno Hightower on November 23, 2008, 07:12:44 PM
Also, fans and alumni dont schedule games. AD/Head Coaches do.

Look, Plymouth is going to get better. The Seniors/Juniors/Sophomores on this team were recrtuited when this program was in dire straits. If they were able to convince players good enough to get to the playoffs and at least earn some respect against a Cortland, imagine the level of kid they can start getting now that they are going 9-1 year in and year out. I think this program is a sleeping giant.

Reno,

Plymouth has a high qulity guy in Coach Castonia.  He can recruit and will continue to recruit players for that program.  Let's look forward to the rebuilding of the NEFC for years to come.  To me it starts right now predominatley with Plymouth and Curry.  But let's hope the other schools that a a few players away continue to make progress like I saw this year.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 07:07:56 PM

Quote from: Reno Hightower on November 23, 2008, 07:05:54 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 05:59:11 PM
Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

You are right, they do have to show that they can do it without him. But they did do it with him, so you cant fault Curry for actually having him on their team. Its the name on the front dont forget!

No, but again, the assertion was that Curry would continue at this level. That's what I'm saying is yet to be determined.

I hear that.  Pat is it possible that I could be among the few that get banned on their first day?   

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 07:02:28 PM
Each of the other No. 7 seed has won playoff games with quarterbacks other than their current ones.

I guess you didn't read the post I was responding to, then. Mel said Curry is good and will be good. I don't think there are facts in evidence to suggest the latter, only the former. And that's why I note that Curry's only playoff wins are with the current quarterback, who is a senior.

You make it out to be an unsolicited shot at Curry, when in fact, I was called out by name and a claim was made that has dubious support. I called that assertion into question.

Are you following now?

Pat,

Yeah I am with you now.  I hope you will understand that my request for a re-evaluation of the NEFC comes from frustration (not with you).  As I said in my earlier post you're the big dog so you get the heat.  For that you have my appreciation and if I offened you my apologies. 

We're hopefully cool now?  Peace.

Quote from: dlippiel on November 23, 2008, 06:36:25 PM

Quote from: Btown999 on November 23, 2008, 06:10:06 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 05:59:11 PM
Yes, clearly I got confused and forgot everything I learned in 14 years of watching Division III football closely.

Not sure, honestly, how you expect me to re-evaluate the NEFC but not Curry. Seems impossible to do. I stand by my opinion that Curry should go out and schedule someone a little tougher than Worcester State next season for its 10th game.

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

I understand it's hard to look at things objectively when you are so close to the program, but this is what reality is like from the outside.

Pat,

I never meant that you personally should evaluate the NEFC.  If it sounded that way then I apologize.  I do not know the resources of your organization.  I had suspected that someone might take a longer look that's all.  I also just hoped that based upon what has happened in NCAA playoffs over the past couple of years you might, just maybe, acknowledge there is some decent football being palyed in the NEFC.

Look you're the big dog so you get the heat.  I thought this day after a win at IC, and a pool c bid selection by the NCAA ,that of all the people that might take a shot at Curry and the NEFC it would not come from the D3 football guys themselves.  

Where I do completely agree with you is that Curry and some other NEFC teams need to schedule some outside competition.  Let's hope we see that happen next year.

BTW, I never ment to call into question your 14 years of experience.  But you know and I know that one player doesn't make a team.

Btown I don't think there is any question many of us overlooked Curry. The thing is though what you are not getting is who did we or any have to compare them to? I think Pat was being as objective as possible. I think you seem to have a passion and/or connection to the program so your mirror may be a bit foggy (very understandable though when it comes to U I can't even see through my mirror) Even the win over Wick last year really was not all that impressive because of the amount of points Wick gave up throughout the season and the lack of consistency they had on the "D" side of the ball. Only now with the very impressive W at Ithaca are we seeing that Curry really is a good team. It is just hard to gauge though because of the lack of outside scheduling. I mean look Plmouth is obviously a talented team, they beat Curry but lost to Mt. IDA. WHat do we have in regards of consistent results to gauge the NEFC? It's just tough ya know? By the way no such thing as a one man team.......SEE HARTWICK....BOLTUS

I understand your point and agree if it's possible a number of NEFC teams should try to schedule teams out of their league.  I had only originally asked Pat to re-evaluate the NEFC competition level.  It wasn't about Curry.  Look, I know its difficult to eveluate the teams in the NEFC without a benchmark game or two.  Curry has had three in two years and stands at 2-1 (Wick, St. Jonhs Fisher, and IC).  My point is the players in that league deserve a fair shake.  Its difficult.  But if a person wnats to be the sheriif then wear the badge and don't get pi$$ed off cause someone asks for some consideration.

I also acknowledge your many positive posts after yesterday's win.  You were cool to do that.  I actually registered to thank you and others but got cuaght up in this stuff.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 06:30:25 PM
None of the other No. 7's scheduled solely conference opponents, which meant we could properly evaluate them on their non-conference schedule.

If that's a shot, then you better hope nobody actually does take a shot at someone or something you like, because you'll be really upset. I'm just asking that Curry schedule like a playoff team considering it's been one for years now.

No. 7 seed Wheaton scheduled Bethel, a national semifinal team last year.
No. 7 seed Wartburg scheduled St. Norbert, which has won the Midwest Conference seven times in the past 10 years, and until yesterday, was the only MWC team to win a playoff game in the automatic bid era.
No. 7 seed Wesley scheduled Christopher Newport (ccd. because of tropical storm Hannah), 2007 MAC champ Widener, Delaware Valley and Iona.

Not sure why you want me to call them out. They all scheduled like playoff teams.

Pat,

Let's not twist this into me calling out any other team.  I did no such thing either by comment or suggestion.  I respeect their accomplishments.  I asked you, and I'll ask again, did you go to any of their sites and wonder out loud about their future based upon the graduation of any one player?  Answer that.  If it rather not stay to the point then fine ignore me. 
Just to be clear. 

Look I don't know you from Adam.  I assume you're probably a decent guy.  Your involvement in football is enough testimony for me to jump to that conclusion.  But you took a shot at Curry today.  I don't know your motivation.  But it seems to me you of all people would cheer a supposed underdog victory as it builds a greater base of interest.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 05:42:09 PM

Quote from: mel on November 23, 2008, 02:54:46 PM
PC.. that is the best you have "they need to schedule someone"  so you know.  It is fact... you now know.  Curry is good and will be good.

Curry is good with Van De Giesen at quarterback. We'll see what that gets you in 2009.

Pat,

With all due respect the above quote is your shot at Curry.  Can you show me where you have gone into another 7th seed's site (several won this week) and called them out similiarly?  If you did then I will feel differently about this.

It's not a shot at Curry that you wonder how to evaluate them because they play only in the NEFC.  That's something we can agree on.

Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 23, 2008, 06:13:13 PM
If Curry REALLY wants þo up the ante, they should move to the E8 when Norwich leaves. Possible new conf names...

"E7 + 1"

"IC and the Hayta's"

"Dem Spicy E8'ers"

"We deserve Two Bids"

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Love it.  I think Dem Spicy E8'ers works best.  Now all you need to do is drop a $100,000 into each of the E8 football program for travel expenses and the magic can happen.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 05:59:11 PM
Yes, clearly I got confused and forgot everything I learned in 14 years of watching Division III football closely.

Not sure, honestly, how you expect me to re-evaluate the NEFC but not Curry. Seems impossible to do. I stand by my opinion that Curry should go out and schedule someone a little tougher than Worcester State next season for its 10th game.

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

I understand it's hard to look at things objectively when you are so close to the program, but this is what reality is like from the outside.

Pat,

I never meant that you personally should evaluate the NEFC.  If it sounded that way then I apologize.  I do not know the resources of your organization.  I had suspected that someone might take a longer look that's all.  I also just hoped that based upon what has happened in NCAA playoffs over the past couple of years you might, just maybe, acknowledge there is some decent football being palyed in the NEFC.

Look you're the big dog so you get the heat.  I thought this day after a win at IC, and a pool c bid selection by the NCAA ,that of all the people that might take a shot at Curry and the NEFC it would not come from the D3 football guys themselves.  

Where I do completely agree with you is that Curry and some other NEFC teams need to schedule some outside competition.  Let's hope we see that happen next year.

BTW, I never ment to call into question your 14 years of experience.  But you know and I know that one player doesn't make a team.