Quote from: SJFF82 on December 17, 2013, 02:35:07 PM

Quote from: HScoach on December 17, 2013, 11:37:42 AM
  I don't have anything to add concerning how he got to Alliance, but I find it interesting that your discussing a back-up sophomore receiver that had ZERO catches in his Mount career prior to 2 weeks ago when the sophomore starter got hurt.    When he came into the game, we had no idea who it was.    Not to say he hasn't played well, especially his blocking,  but he isn't a difference maker.   Yet.

ha...this is my point in a way.  Why does a kid leave suburban Rochester with many college options and college options with very adequate football programs if as HSCoach says....he's a nobody that nobody knew about?  He was quite a talent at Webster though...

I had a buddy that went to Alliance. He easily would have started at LB or SS if he came to Alfred. He went there, was put at TE where he was 4th string and coached by a GA, and then he transferred to UB and never played ball again. The way he put it to me was if he wanted to play at the D3 level, he wanted to play with the best. If he couldn't do that, he didn't want to play at all.

Me, I just wanted to keep playing ball. I didn't start but it didn't matter; I know I contributed and worked my butt off. I would much rather know I made an impact on a team, with the respect of my teammates and coaches, and win an ECAC championship, than be on a National Championship team where my head coach barely knew my name and the team wouldn't skip a beat without me. But, thats just me; I don't need a National Championship to legitimize my playing time at Alfred.

But, I can't argue with his logic at the same time... I guess I can see it from both sides.

Quote from: sjfcards on December 10, 2013, 09:27:23 PM

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Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on December 09, 2013, 09:56:15 AM
How depressing that all new posts on the eastern region boards are NESCAC posts talking about things absolutely nobody outside of Pat, Utah, and NESCAC posters care about.  I wish the Ithaca vs Fisher Stagg Bowl dream was still alive!

You guys have written about 3000 words on the 2003 RPI/SJF game (ive read most of them) and you want to complain about the NESCAC board writing about things people might be interested in?

Hey, I'd love to talk about all sorts of stuff on here, but there is only so much E8 football talk you can have without having posters lose interest.

So who is favored next year in the E 8 and East region in general.

Well, Pep can guarantee that Alfred will be at the top of the E8 conference standings when the season begins. 

On Saxon Warriors!

+1

Lots of young talent in key positions. Add an always solid Murray defense and I think they could make a push for an E8 title.

SJF will probably have the top recruiting class of the E8 with another strong showing in the playoffs. But I put them after AU mostly because of personal bias   It will be interesting to see who steps up for the Cards after some key production players move on.

IC was a nice surprise this year so it will be interesting to see if they continue their way back to the top after some disappointing seasons recently. But, they are the Champs until someone takes it from them. They get my #1 spot.

My most intriguing team for next year is the Gulls. It's hard to tell if it was an off year for Salisbury or if their initial dominance in the E8 has come to an end.  Competitive without a doubt but hardly the whipping they laid on some top E8 teams *cough* Alfred *cough* in the past.

And I am still waiting for Buff State to put together a complete season. Im curious how Brockport will perform in the E8 but I dont have very high expectations, simply a middle of the conference type team.

1) IC
2) AU
3) SJF
4) Salisbury
5) Brockport
5) Buff State
6) Hartwick
7) Utica
8) Frostburg State

A lot of what Fisher will look like next year will depend on if Fenti comes back. He has another year to play if he chooses.

I didnt realize he had an additional year. Could work out well for the Cards if he stays. But unfortunately he's not like a redshirt on a lot of other levels and would be paying for that extra semester. ..

Quote from: AUPepBand on December 09, 2013, 04:16:11 PM

Quote from: D3MAFAN on December 09, 2013, 12:44:19 PM

Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 09, 2013, 10:27:10 AM

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on December 09, 2013, 09:56:15 AM
How depressing that all new posts on the eastern region boards are NESCAC posts talking about things absolutely nobody outside of Pat, Utah, and NESCAC posters care about.  I wish the Ithaca vs Fisher Stagg Bowl dream was still alive!

You guys have written about 3000 words on the 2003 RPI/SJF game (ive read most of them) and you want to complain about the NESCAC board writing about things people might be interested in?

Hey, I'd love to talk about all sorts of stuff on here, but there is only so much E8 football talk you can have without having posters lose interest.

So who is favored next year in the E 8 and East region in general.

Well, Pep can guarantee that Alfred will be at the top of the E8 conference standings when the season begins. 

On Saxon Warriors!

+1

Lots of young talent in key positions. Add an always solid Murray defense and I think they could make a push for an E8 title.

SJF will probably have the top recruiting class of the E8 with another strong showing in the playoffs. But I put them after AU mostly because of personal bias   It will be interesting to see who steps up for the Cards after some key production players move on.

IC was a nice surprise this year so it will be interesting to see if they continue their way back to the top after some disappointing seasons recently. But, they are the Champs until someone takes it from them. They get my #1 spot.

My most intriguing team for next year is the Gulls. It's hard to tell if it was an off year for Salisbury or if their initial dominance in the E8 has come to an end.  Competitive without a doubt but hardly the whipping they laid on some top E8 teams *cough* Alfred *cough* in the past.

And I am still waiting for Buff State to put together a complete season. Im curious how Brockport will perform in the E8 but I dont have very high expectations, simply a middle of the conference type team.

1) IC
2) AU
3) SJF
4) Salisbury
5) Brockport
5) Buff State
6) Hartwick
7) Utica
8) Frostburg State

Quote from: Frank Rossi on December 08, 2013, 01:41:11 AM

Quote from: sjfcards on December 08, 2013, 12:01:58 AM
My wife just asked if the Fisher win against John Carroll was the biggest win in school history (armature!). But it got me thinking...

What is their best win. It may be too soon to put this year into context, but I still think the win in 2006 against Springfield is their best win ever. Maybe the win against Rowan.

THoughts?

Rowan.  It got you to the Final Four and in impressive style that was unexpected after the Springfield close game.

The best win in SJF history is the loss to Mount Union.

Just kidding.

I agree its the Rowan game. I believe it was 31-0 wasnt it? John Carroll would be second. And Im sure there are some Fisher/IC games that would be a changing of the guards type win that would be up there too. I think Fisher's win at Merril the Final Four year is underrated but was impressive and started the momentum for that run...

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Quote from: Upstate on November 28, 2013, 09:24:29 PM
The whole fake FG up by 3 scores is such a pussy move by any coach. Don't care what level you're at, if you don't have the balls to call it in a close game or when behind just quit your job. I gave PA a little grief about the fake punt Bart ran inside their own 20 in 2007 but I respect the hell out of a coach like Cragg for being aggressive and not hiding behind a huge lead when you make that kind of call.

Bethel did it last week and I don't think anyone thinks Steve Johnson is a bad guy. Welcome to the playoffs.

He may or may not be, I don't know...

That post wasn't intended on calling any one coach out, it goes for every coach at every level of play...

It doesn't matter when you pull the fake FG when you're up by 20+ points. Could be 1st game of the year or the title game and I'd feel the same way...

It's a gutless move by every coach that has a big lead and tries fake kicks...

Why would you even want to try a fake FG then?  Wouldn't you want to save that?

I think the idea is to run one of your lesser ideas for a fake kick -- put something on tape that you'd never use in a big game just to make the other coaching staff game plan for it.

I think of it as similar to a pitcher throwing over to keep a runner close, but not using his best move until he absolutely needs the pickoff.

Yea maybe.  But a fake kick doesn't really take too much to prepare for imo.  Unless you do it all the time, or don't want the other team to attempt a block.  Even then, usually only 4-5 guys would be involved on FG blocks.  And FG fakes work when the other team isn't expecting it or going for the block and not respecting it.

Throwing in one of those swinging gate formations and going for two every once in a while can waste some practice time.

On another note, looks like longtime Ithaca equipment assistant/manager John Wallace is retiring and moving to Arizona.  Good man.

http://bombers.ithaca.edu/news/2013/7/26/MLAX_0726130133.aspx

Moving from Ithaca to Arizona? I'm in Arizona now and I cant wait to leave this place and get back to New York! Maybe he will want to do a house swap...

Quote from: wesleydad on November 29, 2013, 08:16:17 AM

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on November 29, 2013, 04:51:27 AM
Early picks:

Weather and field conditions lead to a sloppy game. Fisher pulls it out but close late.

Fisher: 17
Hobart: 13

Ithaca leads most of the game, Welsey scores late to make it interesting. IC defense stands tough.
Ithaca: 23
Wesley: 17

Notre Dame beats Stanford.

Alfred, if Ithaca gets in the 20's I will be surprised.  If they can keep Wesley under 20 I will also be surprised.  Only going by the Salisbury game that I saw.  The Gulls d is not as good as Wesley's and it took OT for Ithaca to get into the 20"s.  I don't think Ithaca's d is as good as the one I saw at Hopkins last week and Wesley got 29.  Clean game, Wesley wins, but Ithaca has made a living this year on games not being clean, so if they can do that again this week, and we who follow Wesley know that they can get sloppy on occasion, then they have a chance.

Haha so less than 20 for Ithaca and more than 20 for Wesley? Sounds like youre leaning towards a blowout win...

I think you are underestimating Ithaca's defense and the quality of teams in the E8 that Ithaca consistently shut down this year. You may call it "sloppy" but I call it stingy. "Sloppy" takes away from how good this defense is and implies it's not a good defense but a mistake filled offense that keeps them in games and I disagree with that notion. Im not saying they will dominate Wesley but I believe the E8 has provided formidable opponents and Ithaca has risen to the challenge each time. I dont think this game will be any different.

Early picks:

Weather and field conditions lead to a sloppy game. Fisher pulls it out but close late.

Fisher: 17
Hobart: 13

Ithaca leads most of the game, Welsey scores late to make it interesting. IC defense stands tough.
Ithaca: 23
Wesley: 17

Notre Dame beats Stanford.

Quote from: dlip on November 25, 2013, 10:32:10 AM

Quote from: skunks_sidekick on November 24, 2013, 11:22:04 PM
Hey Dlip.....go F%^$ yourself!

After watching JCU play twice via replay/internet, and once in person against Mount, that is MY OPINION.

I will admit that I hadn't had a chance to see SJF play this year, but I have read the E-8 board regularly ever since the past SJF vs. Mount games.  I read what I believe are very knowledgeable posters from the E-8, and SJF fans that all had doubts/questions about this SJF team. 

I think I gave my opinion, and also gave proper respect to SJF. 

Good luck against Hobart, I think you can beat them and move on.

dlip has no issue and/or questions with your opinion and/or viewing history of both programs skunks. dlip has almost always enjoyed your posts and has no doubt about your football knowledge. However to come on a team's/region's thread after they defeated another team and make a statement that you think they would lose that game 8 out of 10 times is just in poor taste and offensive. Your kinder words towards SJF at that point become moot because your statement is a backdoor insult to SJF and the East as a whole. dlip's point (probably made it too strongly) is that no matter what the east does it never seems to hold up in other's eyes simply because we don't have that team that fits into the top 4-5 each year. Dude SJF, a two loss team from the east region defeated JC on the road in the first round of the playoffs...period. You want to congratulate them then do so without simultainiously insulting them, which is exactly what you did.

Can you imagine if JC defeated SJF and dlip went over on the OAC board and said, great job JC however if that game was played 10 times you would lose at least 8 of them??? dlip would get hammered and rightfully so. So dlip, as usual flies off the handle a bit and he apologizes for that but still feels your post was a regionally biased post that was shared in very poor taste and totally deserved to be called out. You believe that, fine, share it at an appropriate time where it does not come across as whinning and biased (like right after the said JC team got beat).

+K

I was really disappointed in SJF in conference. I was very critical of them BUT I 100% believe they are the best team in the E8 and could be tops in the region.

I didnt watch all of the Fisher game but what I was able to watch, showed a very stingy but solid Fisher team that could hang with any of the top teams in the East region. I really dont buy the whole 8 out of 10 argument, I think thats a load of crap. Fisher manned up and beat them head to head at home. And until JCU beats them, JCU fans dont have a leg to stand on. You can have all the talent in the world but the only thing that matters is the "W". As far as Im concerned, Fisher played JCU one time and beat them one time. I'd say those odds are a heck of a lot better than 8 out of 10.

Quote from: sjfcards on November 22, 2013, 12:52:54 PM
Fisher 34
JCU 31

Why not...

I agree Fisher will pull it out. Dont get me wrong, I still think they had a poor showing in conference but they have the talent and always come to play in the playoffs. Seven point game til the midway through the 4th, Fisher scores to go up by 14.

Fisher 31
JCU 17

As good as the IC defense is, I think FSU pulls out a close one. Hope they prove me wrong.

FSU 20
IC 13

Quote from: Touch The Rock on November 20, 2013, 02:08:04 PM

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Quote from: SJFF82 on November 20, 2013, 01:03:13 PM
I believe SJF and John Carroll have scheduled a 2 year deal starting in 2015

Not sure what made me think of this, I think after realizing that John Carroll is another Catholic School.....but when I went to Ithaca we had a priest (Father Tom) who would say the Lord's Prayer before every game (even though Ithaca was far from a Catholic School).  As a young Catholic I did not think anything of it at the time, as the football team was mostly Catholic as well.  Do Ithaca players still say the Lord's Prayer before games?

My last season was 2009 and we still said it before each game.  Not sure if it has changed since.

When Keeley transferred to AU, Coach Murray let Paul's dad lead an optional pre game service for all players and coaches.

He led a sermon around Romans 8:31 that still sticks with me today. It centered around one of the most motivating verses when facing any challenege be it a football game or any aspect of daily life...

"If God is for us, who can be against us?"

It was a really positive experience each and every week and Im grateful Coach Murray and Paul's dad were able to organize it for all the players.

Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 18, 2013, 04:26:45 PM

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on November 18, 2013, 04:11:50 PM

But to answer your question... If AU beats SJF, do they deserve to get in? Yes. But not because of the Fisher win. Because they finished 6-1 in the E8. If AU beats RPI but still loses to SJF, then absolutely not, I dont think they would deserve it.

Basically, it seems like you're just looking at conference records as the determining factor.

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on November 18, 2013, 04:21:14 PM

And they should have beat at least IC or the Gulls. Then, I would keep my mouth shut lol. But those are quality wins I think they really needed.

Had they beaten Salisbury, though, the Gulls would have finished 5-5. How would that be better win than 8-2 W&J, or 6-4 Cortland?

Not the only determining factor but its very hard to match up conference vs conference. Its hard to determine how other teams from the E8 would do against W and J. So, to me, conference games outweigh OOC. Do they matter? Of course. But take care of what you need to in conference before looking outside the E8.

If SJF beat the Gulls they would be 9-1 and 6-1 losing to IC by a few points. Yes, it would have made the Gulls 5-5 and 4-3 in conference but it would have made AU's win over the Gulls less impressive as well. And instead of losing to the conference champs and another conference foe, they would have lost to just the conference champs.

Quote from: sjfcards on November 18, 2013, 03:56:07 PM

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on November 18, 2013, 01:25:18 PM
Do they have the talent to play with the best? Yes. And thats why Im so critical of them. This should be an undefeated or 1 loss team. Plain and simple.

Just my $.02. I expected a lot from the SJF team and personally was disappointed.

I don't think that point would get much of an argument from most of the Fisher guys on this page (maybe, but not from me). I have always thought that Fisher found ways to lose games that they should win. Going back to the 'glory days' even. Fisher lost to a really good Springfield team in 2006 before going to the final four, and in 2007 lost to Hartwick before going to the elite 8. Those teams had 3 or 4 players (Stepnick, Robinson, Lang, and Fortune I believe) that were selected to the All Decade team for D3 by this site. Not to mention guys like Rob Kramer, Jimmy Smith, Jame Reille, & Fehrenbach that were nice options to round out a team.

If you need more proof, as good as Fisher has been these past 8-10 years, they have yet to go unbeaten in conference or regular season. Every year there is a game like the IC game this year where I feel like they just let it slip away.

The good news is when Fisher has made the playoffs they typically show very well for school and conference.

Honestly, I think they can and will end up in the Elite 8. They have the talent. But I was disappointed in how they played a lot of this season. And they should have beat at least IC or the Gulls. Then, I would keep my mouth shut lol. But those are quality wins I think they really needed.

Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2013, 02:04:12 PM
Saxon 8-
You can disagree all you want on how and why Fisher got in.
That is the beauty of these boards.
My question to you is this...How would you feel if AU won on Saterday?

Honestly, Im not trying to side step the question but to me, its not a simple answer. If AU had won, it would be an 8-2 team but with a 6-1 conference record. SJF is an 8-2 team but is tied with 2 other teams at 5-2 in conference. I think its a little different.

Would I be happy AU is in? Absolutely. But you guys are acting like there is no question Fisher deserves it when a couple weeks ago you were set on ECAC's. Im just saying if AU had gone 8-2 and made the playoffs, I would honestly consider them fortunate. Not necessarily lucky because that implies some undeserving accolade, but fortunate. I was part of the '05 team that went 8-2 and was on the outside looking in and that hurt. But, as Bombers said, we didnt win the games we needed to. And I just dont think Fisher did that this year. 

The top teams in the E8 are SJF, IC, AU, and Salisbury. I dont think going 1-2 against those teams qualifies as winning the games they needed to get a playoff spot. Had AU won, at least they would have been 2-1. But they ended up 1-2 against those teams as well.

But to answer your question... If AU beats SJF, do they deserve to get in? Yes. But not because of the Fisher win. Because they finished 6-1 in the E8. If AU beats RPI but still loses to SJF, then absolutely not, I dont think they would deserve it.

Quote from: wesleydad on November 18, 2013, 01:52:42 PM
AlfredSaxon, I see your point.  When you pull the 2 losses out alone, they do not say much for the overall playoff worthiness of Fisher.  That is not what is done by the committee, they go by the criteria and make decisions.  I am not even sure if they look at the results of each game to see how much someone won or lost by.  In the end Fisher had numbers that said they should be in.  Having 2 losses in conference is usually a death blow to playoff hopes unless there are 2 top teams who you lost to.  This may have turned out to be an unusual circumstance that gave them the nod.

I appreciate your insight. I just dont feel like Fisher did what they needed to in order to make the playoffs. And that all goes back to your point that usually 2 conference losses is a death sentence.

Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2013, 01:47:15 PM
Maybe if you beat Fisher you would still be crying that you didn't get in!

Im not crying Alfred didnt get in. They dont deserve it. 7-3 was better than I predicted and Im happy with that.