I wonder during covid did IWU not have any 5th year seniors? At Carroll in 2023 I know they had at least 7. These guys were all freshmen in 2019, season cancelled 2020 and played 2021, 2022 and 2023.
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They had 1 lone, single 5th year player in 2023 even after Covid.  Kevin Graham, who was also a co-captain.  And they've not listed any since.

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Quote from: USee on October 14, 2026, 11:23:02 AMYep, as Pat said, way cheaper than a full semester. This isn't a rarity, it actually happens quite regularly across D3.

It may be more regular at other D3 institutions, but it isn't very common at IWU.

Edit:  I just looked up quickly, Whitewater full time tuition for the entire year is a little more than $9200 for a Wisconsin resident vs $7600+ for a single class.

Not sure where you got the $7600 for a single class at UWW.

https://www.uww.edu/adminaffairs/finance/sfs/tuition-and-fees-2026-2027#WhitewaterUndergraduate%23undergraduate-tuition

I think everyone has made their point on this. There is a cost, how much depends on how many credits, what's the housing situation..etc. Alot of students have done it in the past. It's a individual decision.

My understanding is Smyth is expected back this season.

$7600+ is for a single class at IWU which I previously explained.  And again, everyone keeps saying a lot of students do it, but that's just not true at IWU.  The costs with no graduate classes just don't make financial sense for most students.

Quote from: USee on October 14, 2026, 11:23:02 AMYep, as Pat said, way cheaper than a full semester. This isn't a rarity, it actually happens quite regularly across D3.

It may be more regular at other D3 institutions, but it isn't very common at IWU.

Edit:  I just looked up quickly, Whitewater full time tuition for the entire year is a little more than $9200 for a Wisconsin resident vs $7600+ for a single class at IWU.

Quote from: Patrick Coleman on October 14, 2026, 10:45:30 AM

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Quote from: USee on October 13, 2026, 11:04:02 PMMaybe he graduates. He could also save 1-2 classes and complete his degree in December.

I have no idea what the financial situation looks like in the Smyth household, but IWU and likely most CCIW schools tuition make this a pretty unfeasible option.  It would be one thing if IWU offered grad school classes, but to pay for additional semesters of undergrad for no reason other than to extend your football career at CCIW tuition rates isn't the most sound financial decision.  I'm too lazy to look up WIAC tuition rates, but I suspect it's an apples to watermelons comparison.

Depends on the school. This has been done frequently. Some schools will let you pay for the one class you have left (not a full semester) so the cost is not as big as you might think.

Agreed -- enrolling part time is usually on a per-credit basis and way cheaper than a full semester.

Current part time at IWU is north of $7600 per class not including housing/food costs and whatever additional fees are added on.  Again, while this may be a drop in the bucket for some families, it's still a tall ask to pay for undergrad with the only benefit being extending an athletic career for one more season.  We're talking anywhere from $10-18k when it's all said and done.

https://www.iwu.edu/business-office/student-accounts/tuition.html

Quote from: USee on October 13, 2026, 11:04:02 PMMaybe he graduates. He could also save 1-2 classes and complete his degree in December.

I have no idea what the financial situation looks like in the Smyth household, but IWU and likely most CCIW schools tuition make this a pretty unfeasible option.  It would be one thing if IWU offered grad school classes, but to pay for additional semesters of undergrad for no reason other than to extend your football career at CCIW tuition rates isn't the most sound financial decision.  I'm too lazy to look up WIAC tuition rates, but I suspect it's an apples to watermelons comparison.

Quote from: CarollFan on October 11, 2026, 03:11:17 PMYes the 8-2 teams best chance is AQ.
Bethel at 8-2 less then 20% chance.


Right now over 11 conferences can produce a 1 loss at-large team with 11 at-large bids.

To begin I want to be clear, I don't honestly have any delusions as to where IWU ranks nationwide.  But if they do finish 8-2, their 2 losses would be to 2 teams who at one point in the season were both ranked #1 in the country.  At worst, it's a heckuva turnaround for Coach Williamson in year 2, much of which they accomplished with a backup QB.

Quote from: CarollFan on October 04, 2026, 09:24:51 AMLooking through the stats, possible offense players of the week.

IWU WR #7 Will Nazha 9 receptions 168 yds, 2 TD's.
IWU QB #11 Kyle Beaty 17/26 273 yds, 3 TD's, 0 Ints.
NCC RB #7 Duke Guenther 145 yds rushing, 12 attempts, 2 TD's.

I thought Beaty really struggled early and just looked completely out of sorts and inaccurate.  But around midway through the 2nd he really settled in and ended up having a good 2nd half.  He can't start that way next week or it's a long day for the Titans I fear (assuming Smyth is still out.  I've not read any health updates recently).

Quote from: CarollFan on September 19, 2026, 02:25:23 PMAt least your getting the game.

Carroll @ Elmhurst stream struggling to show anything....

Ehh, we're getting parts of it.  In between breaths it's a lot of frozen internet and unsynced audio.

I don't know if the Augie broadcast team follows this board, but for the love of all things holy, take the mic away from your face.  We can literally hear every breath coming out of your mouth. 

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Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 28, 2026, 12:28:32 PMOther CCIW commits:

IWU -- Beckett Coon, 5'10" Fuquay-Varina (NC)

Heard his old man could hoop a little back in the day.

You bet. Cory is still holds a record (maybe two) at IWU.

Ahem.....Korey....

But yes, I have fond memories of back to back road trips to Salem in 96 and 97 while I was still in my Dolan Hall days.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 28, 2026, 12:28:32 PMOther CCIW commits:

IWU -- Beckett Coon, 5'10" Fuquay-Varina (NC)

Heard his old man could hoop a little back in the day.

Quote from: WUPHF on April 13, 2026, 04:20:43 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 13, 2026, 02:45:39 PMBut I don't mean to be hard on Tom Noonan.

He might say that he was talking to someone from a school that benefited from having only two coaches since Division III became a thing, more or less.  I have to think though that Tom Noonan would agree that everything you said was fair.



Also, very interesting points about the recruiting plans.

The erasure of the Scott Trost era continues.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 05, 2025, 12:40:45 PM

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Quote from: ChickenHoops on November 03, 2025, 04:41:51 PMHow much academic or NIL money is there in the CCIW?  The UAA? 

Grad transfers make the question more applicable, e.g. Chicago and IWU.

Not sure how much NIL money there is within the entire CCIW, especially considering we are talking D3 here, plus the fact schools certainly aren't going to be revealing any details about such assets. However, I think it's a pretty safe bet that Wheaton and Wesleyan lead the way. In fact, a pertinent question with regard to this subject might be is Wheaton among the D3 leaders in this area.

I challenge that "safe bet" of yours. I'd be very surprised if Wheaton is among the CCIW's NIL leaders, let alone all of D3. It's very much not in keeping with how Wheaton operates.

Wouldn't surprise me, however, if Illinois Wesleyan is at the top of the league in NIL funds, because it's an institution that has a lot of close ties to its local business community, in particular the two major insurance corporations that are based in Bloomington. I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the school you support is right up there in NIL money as well, although, as you said, NIL money for D3 student-athletes is peanuts compared to what the D1s are raking in -- and if North Central is indeed topping the league (or close to it) in terms of NIL dough, methinks it's mostly going to the young gentlemen who wear helmets and pads.

While IWU allows athletes to earn NIL money from 3rd parties per NCAA rules, the school itself does not pay nor participate in this transaction nor can the payment be contingent on enrollment or participation..

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2025, 10:20:15 PMSo let me see if I've got this turn of the carousel correct:

* Millikin hires a new head coach;
* Millikin's new head coach swipes Illinois Wesleyan's defensive coordinator and tabs him to be the new DC for the Big Blue;
* Elmhurst's head coach resigns (jump-or-be-pushed is my guess) and is hired as Illinois Wesleyan's defensive coordinator to replace the guy whose moving van just headed south on US 51 to Decatur; and
* Elmhurst now has to hire what will be its seventh head coach in 23 years.

Interesting off-season thus far.

No jumping or pushing.  He's an IWU alum, has worked as the DC with the new coach before and simply loves the school.  New coaching era allows him the opportunity to return home. 

Mike Murray leaving Elmhurst to return to IWU as DC.