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Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2024, 08:06:11 PMThe Warhawks (9-3) got solid pitching again today holding Hunington (8-7) to just five hits while getting fifteen themselves in the 17-2 win. Husebo (2-0) allowed 3 hits in 4 innings producing just 1 unearned run while striking out 3 for the win. Hilker struck out 2 in 2 innings of hitless relief with McPherson, Dupor and Eisenbarth each pitched an inning allowing 2 hits and 1 earned run while striking out 3 combined. Scolon with three hits including a 2B and HR drove in 3 runs to lead the Warhawks. Thies also had 3 hits and an RBI.  Jackson and Bennett each had a pair of hits, including a double apiece and drove in 2 and 3 RBI respectively. Koenig had a pair of RBI and Bogue, Gordon, O'Brien, Wessel and Padan all had single RBI.


PS: It was a nine inning game so I don't see how Husebo gets the win pitching only 4. But that's how the box has it. I believe the win should go to Hilker.

That would be the logical choice, but if the head coaches agree before the game starts, the starting pitcher *can* be credited with the victory even if he doesn't go five innings.  That's why you see an occasional bullpen game with a starting pitcher going one inning and ending up with the W if the offense gives him the lead.

I knew coaches could agree on 4 innings if the game is 7 innings but I wasn't aware of it being applied as you've indicated. Of course I have no idea what if anything the coaches may have agreed upon in advance. Interesting, I'll have to ask about that.

There is an NCAA scoring rule where if a coach has a prearranged pitching schedule for that game, then the pitcher of record gets the win regardless of innings pitched. The "prearrangement" part is used pretty liberally by SIDs, but that one is indeed on the books. No agreement by opponents is necessary. You'll often see this in games where a team will throw a pitcher per inning in a midweek game, for example.

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 14, 2020, 12:37:44 PM

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Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 13, 2020, 10:36:49 AM
I still watch the VHS tapes of our '84 and '89 championship games.

Would you happen to have a tape of the 1984 regional championship game that went three overtimes between UW-Whitewater and St. Norbert?

Sorry, but the answer is no.

Thanks. From all I've heard, that game was a classic. Too bad it is lost to the dustbin of history.

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 13, 2020, 10:36:49 AM
I still watch the VHS tapes of our '84 and '89 championship games.

Would you happen to have a tape of the 1984 regional championship game that went three overtimes between UW-Whitewater and St. Norbert?

Quote from: gbpuckfan on December 30, 2019, 09:43:30 PM
SNC best Stout tonight, 81-53.

That means SNC is 4-1 vs UW schools this year. Beating Eau Claire, Superior, Oshkosh and stout. Losing to Green Bay.

My research indicates this marks the first time in 55 years St. Norbert has beaten at least four different University of Wisconsin System schools in the same season. The Green Knights beat five during the 1964-65 season - UW-Milwaukee twice, UW-Stevens Point, UW-Whitewater, UW-Eau Claire, and UW-La Crosse in the NAIA District 14 championship game to go to Kansas City.

The Green Knights had beaten three different UW System opponents in the same season just twice since then - 1969-70 (UWM, UWO, UWGB 2x) and 1983-84 (UWM, UWL, UWO). The 1983-84 team just missed a fourth when it lost to eventual national champion UW-Whitewater in triple overtime in the second round of the NCAA Tournament.

Quote from: DuffMan on November 12, 2019, 03:51:41 PM

Quote from: TheChucker on November 12, 2019, 03:45:06 PM
I'm curious, why did you guys play at the Fargo Dome?

The UW-SP game was played in a downpour, and the field was basically destroyed (that was actually the last game on the grass at Clemens).  Then, we got dumped with 12+" of snow that Sunday-Monday, so the field was not playable.

The week before was my first trip to Clemens as SID here at St. Norbert, and the weather for that game was absolutely gorgeous. Temperature around 60 IIRC.

Quote from: GK79 on May 09, 2019, 01:29:40 PM

Quote from: sncsid on May 09, 2019, 11:32:13 AM
I would say anywhere within a 500-mile radius of De Pere is in play since that is what the NCAA uses to determine busing/flights. I will point out that this past weekend's trip has been on the schedule since this time last year, so it was not a surprise to any of the players. As you know, time management is a key life skill acquired for student-athletes. Not everyone has finals on Monday as well. They are staggered throughout the week.

But this example is a big reason to move to the NACC - so we don't have to do this sort of thing anymore, or at least far less of it. In baseball for example there will be 24 NACC games. If the MWC ever went to full round-robin play in baseball who is to say St. Norbert wouldn't be playing at Illinois College the day before finals start? In the near future that will no longer be a potential hazard.

Well stated. 

Thanks for answering my question.  I would like to think that, while anywhere within a 500 mile radius is in play,  round trips approaching 1000 miles on the weekend before finals are not optimal and closer options would be preferable if they exist.  Perhaps that is a given. 

Quote from: sncsid on May 09, 2019, 11:32:13 AMAs for your last comment, I will repeat that football was not a driver in this move. This was done with the whole of the program in mind - almost 600 student-athletes. You may not believe that, but that is your choice.

Fair enough.  I still wrestle with the stated rationale given the frequency with which it has been subordinated when it comes to non-conference scheduling, combined with the fact that not all student athletes are making these trips to the far flung reaches of the MWC each year given the divisional alignment in several sports.  Perhaps as NACC membership plays out, that will change.

I agree closer non-conference options are preferred, but not always possible. And sometimes you want to give your athletes a different experience or have them compete close(r) to an athlete's hometown (track and cross country going to Lower Michigan due to the Tarsa sisters, for example). You don't want to get too rote in your scheduling to the point you are perceived as boring. It does impact recruiting.

As I mentioned in my first post, I would rather have scheduled UW-Stout this past weekend for baseball but never heard back, so we had to go to Decatur. Not ideal, but if we had qualified for MWC Tournament it wouldn't have been good to have not played at all last weekend, either.

Quote from: GK79 on May 08, 2019, 04:57:08 PM

Quote from: sncsid on May 08, 2019, 02:15:27 PM
I've sat and watched this verbal jousting over St. Norbert's move to the NACC for the better part of a month and feel compelled to chime in at this time...

I will address this past weekend's baseball scheduling, since I was the person who originally arranged it to help out then-coach Tom Winske with scheduling. St. Norbert had the bye in the MWC North this past weekend. Whenever our bye falls, the baseball program's scheduling philosophy has been to try and schedule the WIAC team with the corresponding bye, and if that fails try the CCIW's corresponding bye. I emailed UW-Stout last spring and didn't get a response. Which meant my next email was to the Millikin coach, who immediately agreed to a three-game series. A good weekend of competition. If Carroll or Carthage had the bye instead of Millikin, I would have reached out there as well. No one wants to be idle an entire weekend.

Fast forward to last week; Millikin needed to cancel the Sunday game of the series to play a makeup CCIW doubleheader with North Central. No problem. Mike Wallerich then worked the phones and Blackburn agreed to play us twice on Sunday. Heavy rain at Blackburn on Saturday rendered its field unplayable. To Blackburn's credit, its coach secured the field at MacMurray to get the games in. Whenever you have an entire weekend off, you are fortunate to find an opponent, and you take what you can get. During St. Norbert's bye weekend in 2020 we are playing UW-Platteville in a three-game series. More good competition. In the end, filling out your schedule takes two to tango.

I am not going to address football being the driver of the move or other veiled innuendo thrown around on here, since it is so baseless it doesn't even merit this much of a response.

So good of you to chime in.

I surmise from your handle that you are the SID.  I admire your work over the years.  Really.

I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Greg.  It's the one that he didn't bother to answer.  It's pretty simple, really.  How far is too far to travel on the weekend before finals?  In this particular case, the SNC baseball squad traveled 800+ miles round trip, plus they played in four games. 

Assuming that the players returned to campus Sunday night to take whatever finals they might have that week and that no special accommodations were made, how far is too far to travel to "take what you can get?" Obviously, we know that roughly 800 miles is acceptable in your book to get four non-con games in two days.  What wouldn't be acceptable?

As for my assertion about football being the driver at SNC, as SID you have to say it's baseless.  I get that.  What you likely can't publicly admit to is the reality that football and other sports don't all have the exact same amount of internal clout/political capital within the college community in general and the SNC athetic department in particular.

Thank you.

I would say anywhere within a 500-mile radius of De Pere is in play since that is what the NCAA uses to determine busing/flights. I will point out that this past weekend's trip has been on the schedule since this time last year, so it was not a surprise to any of the players. As you know, time management is a key life skill acquired for student-athletes. Not everyone has finals on Monday as well. They are staggered throughout the week.

But this example is a big reason to move to the NACC - so we don't have to do this sort of thing anymore, or at least far less of it. In baseball for example there will be 24 NACC games. If the MWC ever went to full round-robin play in baseball who is to say St. Norbert wouldn't be playing at Illinois College the day before finals start? In the near future that will no longer be a potential hazard.

As for your last comment, I will repeat that football was not a driver in this move. This was done with the whole of the program in mind - almost 600 student-athletes. You may not believe that, but that is your choice. Not every move is done with ulterior motives, but in today's social media climate I get that taking someone's word at face value with no skepticism is a rarity these days.

If you have any other questions, I would be more than happy to meet you for a cup of coffee somewhere and discuss this with you further. My email is on the website. Look forward to hearing from you.

I've sat and watched this verbal jousting over St. Norbert's move to the NACC for the better part of a month and feel compelled to chime in at this time...

I will address this past weekend's baseball scheduling, since I was the person who originally arranged it to help out then-coach Tom Winske with scheduling. St. Norbert had the bye in the MWC North this past weekend. Whenever our bye falls, the baseball program's scheduling philosophy has been to try and schedule the WIAC team with the corresponding bye, and if that fails try the CCIW's corresponding bye. I emailed UW-Stout last spring and didn't get a response. Which meant my next email was to the Millikin coach, who immediately agreed to a three-game series. A good weekend of competition. If Carroll or Carthage had the bye instead of Millikin, I would have reached out there as well. No one wants to be idle an entire weekend.

Fast forward to last week; Millikin needed to cancel the Sunday game of the series to play a makeup CCIW doubleheader with North Central. No problem. Mike Wallerich then worked the phones and Blackburn agreed to play us twice on Sunday. Heavy rain at Blackburn on Saturday rendered its field unplayable. To Blackburn's credit, its coach secured the field at MacMurray to get the games in. Whenever you have an entire weekend off, you are fortunate to find an opponent, and you take what you can get. During St. Norbert's bye weekend in 2020 we are playing UW-Platteville in a three-game series. More good competition. In the end, filling out your schedule takes two to tango.

I am not going to address football being the driver of the move or other veiled innuendo thrown around on here, since it is so baseless it doesn't even merit this much of a response.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2019, 11:26:58 AM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 07, 2019, 07:50:12 PM
Overall, the league is pretty weak year in and year out. Until the league itself starts proving they can win nc games, they'll always have a weak SOS. It doesn't help that they can only schedule 5 or 6 nc games, thus limiting their opportunity to raise their SOS. Hardly the short end of the stick.

Exactly. Contrary to GreenKnights920's statement, there has not been "a clear-cut at-large team in addition to the AQ some years." The reason why the MWC hasn't had a second team in the tourney since 1996 is because the league's non-AQ teams never measure up according to the five primary criteria used by the NCAA regional and national committes to rank teams in each region. And, since the NCAA moved the WIAC into the Central Region a few years ago, the chances of the MWC getting a Pool C (at-large) team in the tourney have become even more remote, since it's that much harder for a MWC team to get regionally ranked now that the MWC is stuck in the same region as two of the best leagues in all of D3.

The MWC went 27-44 (.380) in non-conference play this season, a pretty typical performance for this league. That drags down the strength of schedule of every team in the MWC -- and, of course, the league itself always goes .500 in-house, so nobody's gonna get a boost that way. The top teams in the MWC -- and the teams at the top of this league are often pretty decent -- are greatly handicapped by the fact that the league as a whole can't hold its own in November and December. Thus, they have to win the AQ in the MWC tourney or stay home in March, gaudy record and all.

St. Norbert got an at-large in 2002 and Carroll got an at-large in 2006. Rare, but not impossible. I also felt pretty good about St. Norbert getting an at-large in 2016 had the screen-the-inbounder not worked in the tournament championship game, as we ended up hosting a regional on merit that year. The key that year was three wins over Carroll, which was regionally ranked.

Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 03:58:21 PM

Quote from: warhawkguard on November 21, 2018, 01:31:31 PM
I can attest to the great TV coverage the local teams get from GB television. WBAY and others have quite a robust sports coverage when I am at the lake near Shawano on many weekends. I live in Milwaukee and there is ZERO, zilch, nada coverage of anything besides the pro teams and the D1 programs. UWW gets a 2 second mention ONLY if they win the Stagg Bowl. We'd rather see the weather 4 times per 30 minutes in Milwaukee I guess...I have ripped a few of the Sprots guys here when I've met them and they say it isn't their call.

I'll be at the game Saturday cheering on my Warhawks. Last time you guys came to the Perk it wasn't pretty. Wait till you see OUR Defense!

I mean I think it is disingenuous to call any of the coverage great. One poster mentioned WBAY being good, and out of the stations in the area, they are probably the best, albeit with a low bar to measure up to. This isn't limited to SNC, though. GB Phoenix men's basketball, which I follow very closely, barely gets anything outside of a token mention, even when the team made the tourney in 2016 (though they do have a coaches show once a month, which I believe is on the radio). Even when the Knights get some air time, its typically limited to a 30 second blurb (see the story posted above) only when they are in the NCAA tournament for any sport. I get that the Packers are going to be the dominant story simply because of local interest, but all of the other college teams suffer. How often do you hear about Lawrence? Ripon? UWSP? Occasionally UWO will get a mention, but only when they are over-achieving. The local sports reporting scene also heavily prioritizes high school sports over any D3 school. Some stations will have their HS games of the week televised, they (at least in the past, and may still) have dedicated HS sports segments, etc...

I teach media studies classes, and this fits perfectly with a topic that I make sure to mention every semester: the paradox of news coverage in relation to public interest. For example, "Why does no one care about D3 sports?" "Because no one covers it." "Why does no one cover D3 sports?" "Because no one cares."

It is all relative. Many D3 schools nationally would kill to get the television coverage St. Norbert receives. The MIAC schools in the Twin Cities and the CCIW schools in metro Chicago, for starters. I get the metrics on this every time St. Norbert receives a mention on the airwaves, anywhere. The benefit to the school is significant.

Dan McCarty has been on one Sunday night program twice this season. Tim Coghlin and Gary Grzesk have been on so many times I have lost count. Not to mention almost every St. Norbert home game in FB, MBB, WBB and HKY are staffed by at least one station for a highlights package. 30 seconds of game highlights is a long time in a three-minute overall sports segment where the Packers are in the news 330 days a year.

I've seen SIDs elsewhere beg for just a crumb once in a while and can't even get that. So I prefer to be thankful, and I know our coaches are too.

Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 21, 2018, 07:08:45 AM

Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 12:19:20 AM
Local news is awful about covering college teams up here, but we finally hear a peep!

Most of the stations cover home games. I saw highlights of the Trine game on one station... and I'm pretty sure SNC asked the stations to do the previews yesterday

I disagree with the assertion that local news doesn't cover St. Norbert. The newspaper, yes, but the television stations do a fine job - especially with the monolith on Lombardi Avenue taking up a lot of time, as it should.

I also didn't ask anyone to do a preview. I just sent out practice availability knowing there would be interest coming off a playoff win. It worked out with practice at the Hutson Center since Tuesday is the off day for the Packers and the media need a fresh story for Tuesday night.

Quote from: gbpuckfan on May 14, 2018, 02:08:28 PM
In the "So it appears I am easily confused" department.

Here are the MWC all sports standings:
http://www.midwestconference.org/sports/2017/10/24/GEN_1024171124.aspx?

It says Monmouth gets 10 for baseball. That I get. It gives SNC 6 points.

The website says:
Baseball: the top four places are determined by tournament play. Third place finishers in each division split the fifth and sixth place points, the fourth place division finishers split the seventh and eighth place points, fifth place division finishers split the ninth and tenth place points, and the 11th place team will receive one point.

But didn't SNC finish 2nd? Why would Grinnell get 8 points?

It's a moot point overall - a few extra points don't make a difference. Just trying to understand.

Sure you don't have your columns mixed up?

http://www.midwestconference.org/sports/2017/10/24/GEN_1024171124.aspx?

Thought I'd pass this along to the St. John's folks...a video story about Escanaba, Michigan's Frank Berres, "The Original Rat."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6IFvmKt0I

Quote from: cubs on January 20, 2016, 07:56:57 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2016, 04:39:22 PM
Yes, which is quite valid ... as long as you word it properly. And, as I indicated, Dan Lukes did word it properly, which doesn't surprise me. He's a very good SID.

Agreed!!!!

There are quite a few SID's out there that could learn a thing or two from Dan!!!!

It's getting piled up pretty deep in here right now... 

Quote from: scottie on November 13, 2015, 08:59:04 PM

Quote from: Maverick on November 13, 2015, 03:35:25 PM
Here are some MWC Championship coverage links for anyone who hasn't seen them yet.

D3Football.com Around the Midwest column: http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2015/st-norbert-monmouth-rivalry

Midwest Conference Championship Preview: http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2015/11/12/FB_1112151332.aspx

Monmouth College Preview: http://www.monmouthscots.com/news/2015/11/10/FB_1110155051.aspx

St. Norbert College Preview: http://www.snc.edu/athletics/pressrelease/3362/

Thanks for the links, Mav.  I hope the SNC SID didn't get carpel tunnel typing out that long preview!   

That's not long, that's the standard weekly release. Now this, on the other hand, is long: http://www.snc.edu/athletics/teamfiles/hockey/2013-14/hockey14-18.pdf