Wow, it seems like many of the MUC fans think they have a bye week.  Not to much talk about the game. Talking about post season honors. If this was UWW, there would be a lot of chatter about how MUC as going to do. Maybe LK will rest the starters and play his JV guys.

This game has a lot of interesting facts with W&J's Mount Union ties. Caponi, Stickley, Sirianni... I think these three keep it a lot closer than everyone thinks. Do not know if W&J's offense is capable of putting up enough points to pull off an upset but if turnovers are minimized could me interesting.

So, now that a W&J supporter is out, watch the pirahanas prey? I will say this much Mount is playing very well at the end of the season.

Burgh,

Not really agreeing with you on the Banny days vs. today. I will agree that Lucky had things going with two national runner ups, no one in the program has matched that yet.

But, when you look at the Banny days, he finished 10-0 once. Never made it past the second round of the playoffs. And his teams were never ranked in the top 10 at the end of the season.

Today's Program, they have been undefeated multiple times. They have made it to the quarterfinals on two different occassions and they have been ranked as a Top 10 program twice as well.

So, if you can explain to me how it was better back then, I am willing to listen...

Also, any thoughts on the Geneva/Thomas More game?

Bob,

Loved the response. Glad to hear that you are only making all of these institutional allegations on one half of football. Anyway, you are right and I will be interested in to how W&J responds. I am sure you have seen other halfs of football like that from some W&J teams. I can recall one against Salisbury and another one against Buff State. Also, one against Allegheny.

But as you stated, all of those teams bounced back. I am interested to see what happens. I have no doubt that the coaching staff will have this group of guys prepared.

The difference I see is at the quarterback position as well as the lack of weapons besides Besong. All of the W&J team in the past have had multiple WRs that the quarterback could target. Also, this was the first big game for inexperienced quarterbacks. 

I will say this much. I do not remember too many W&J team win with defense in the past and I think that is definitely were the strength of this team lies.

Thanks for the valid points Bob. I look forward to hearing you on the radio.

Thanks SaintsFan for your quality input.

Back to Football anyway... Does Thomas More get shifted out of the South again or where do we see them in the playoffs?

Also, interesting point can the south get two pool c bids with UMHB and W&J?

WOW, I have been an active D3football fan for many years. I have followed the PAC as much as possible but I have never felt the need to get on this board until now.  I usually enjoy hearing what Bob and Saintsfan have to say because they report on the two best teams in the PAC. Also, the occassional post from Pat Coleman is always inspiring.

But, now to some points I have to make. After the Presidents lost the PAC title for the second year in a row, it seems that everyone wants to call W&J a failure under the current regime. We have Bob who wants to go back to the Banny and Lucky days of the past. I would love to know how many of the players from Banny's era were recruited by Sirianni since he was there as the OC and even the oline coach who has been there as well.

Also, if you follow W&J football, they have been in the playoffs for the past 5 seasons. We are sitting here critiquing a program over four losses. One to Waynesburg, One to Thiel and two to Thomas More. Also, in the past how many games did you have to win to be a PAC Champs 4 maybe 5? So my question to Bob, Is it more important to win the PAC or make the playoffs and have a chance to win a National Title?

If I recall even with these so called great recruits during the Banny era, they never made it past the second round of the playoffs. The current regime as already done that twice with their own recruits.  I think W&J program is just fine. It has not fallen, I would say it has actually progressed more players on the roster than ever. Let's give credit were credit is due, Thomas More is a good football team and well coached.

So for everyone saying that W&J has fallen, you are crazy. The program continues to carry an X on its back. They are still the most respected program in the PAC. So, yea they may not have won the PAC championship but they continue to make the playoffs and win playoff games. I do not remember a W&J team that would rather win the PAC than win a couple of playoff games.

I guess the W&J program even carries an X on its back on this board as well. Maybe you are right Bob, maybe there needs to be more emphasis put on winning the PAC. But, until W&J stops making the playoffs and stops winning playoff games than I think they are just fine. 

Look at the winning percentages of all regimes at W&J. I believe it is something like .83 to .78... Which one would you want?