Quote from: ADL70 on September 21, 2026, 02:40:56 PMNo point in discussing with you.
You move the cheese.
First "D is good."
Then "Defense is the stars, that is my point."
Offense has playmakers, but only mentioned a WR whose name you can't remember

Whatever dude.  Yes I used plurality with playmaker when it should have been singular.   You got me.

Quote from: ADL70 on September 21, 2026, 12:15:04 PM

Quote from: mikefln on September 21, 2026, 08:20:16 AMAfter watching the Allegheny/Waynesburg, if Allegheny can become more consistent with their O, they could be dangerous.  The D is good, the O has playmakers, but they were up and down in my opinion.

Looking at the box score, seems to me the playmakers were all on D for Gators not O. 2 pick sixes and a scoop and score.

What playmakers does the O have? None made big plays against the Jackets.

Both teams were 4-4 in PAC in 2025. Allegheny beat W-burg 21-11 then. I don't see any evidence they are better than 2025.

Allegheny has a scheduling advantage only playing W&J, CWRU and Geneva among the top of PAC. Allegheny's 3 wins are over teams combined 2-4 not counting losses to Gators. With easier schedule could be 5-3 PAC

The defense is the stars, that is my point.  The playmaker on O was the WR, I forget number and name.  The qb is inconsistent, he will make a good throw followed by a bad throw.  The line was spotty.  If they can improve in those 2 spots, they might be able to give a scare to some teams.  As they stand rn, the are a middle of the road team. 

Quote from: ADL70 on September 21, 2026, 10:38:51 AM

Quote from: mikefln on September 21, 2026, 08:03:31 AM

Quote from: ADL70 on September 20, 2026, 10:39:54 PMSo Mt Union last week and CWRU this week won with 5 turnovers and more yards offense.

There are many variables that go into it.  Timing/situation being a big one.

But stats from Pro-Football-Reference show teams at a -3 turnover margin win 10-15%.  Teams with -4 or more win only 3-8%.

Not good odds, regardless of what happened in the GCC/Mount game or the Case/Shenadoah game.  Never said it never happened, I said it is rare and the stats back me up.

STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Last Saturday Heidelberg was intercepted 5 times by MtU and won by outgaining them 544-477.

I literally showed you the stats from PFR, just because it happened 3 times in a row, doesn't change a thing.

After watching the Allegheny/Waynesburg, if Allegheny can become more consistent with their O, they could be dangerous.  The D is good, the O has playmakers, but they were up and down in my opinion.

Quote from: ADL70 on September 20, 2026, 10:39:54 PMSo Mt Union last week and CWRU this week won with 5 turnovers and more yards offense.

There are many variables that go into it.  Timing/situation being a big one.

But stats from Pro-Football-Reference show teams at a -3 turnover margin win 10-15%.  Teams with -4 or more win only 3-8%.

Not good odds, regardless of what happened in the GCC/Mount game or the Case/Shenadoah game.  Never said it never happened, I said it is rare and the stats back me up.

Quote from: ADL70 on September 16, 2026, 03:02:31 PM

Quote from: IC798891 on September 14, 2026, 08:56:23 AMI can't get a handle on Grove City. Better than Mount most of the game, but also dominated by Cortland for three quarters at home

GC offense underperformed in both games. SO first-year starter QB under 50% completion. As I've already mentioned, interceptions kept them in the game vs MtU despite giving up a more yards. 

You make it sound like interceptions/turnovers are not as important as yardage.  Any coach would tell you they would rather have 5 turnovers (especially in key situations) than more yardage.  More times than not, you win with 5 turnovers.

My picks this week

(H) Allegheny over Waynesburg
(H) Bethany over Theil
(H) Case Western over Shenandoah

It is amazing that a conference that has 12 members,  7 are off this weekend.  Has this ever happened in the PAC before?  Is this common in other conferences?

ADL70,

The final score is all that matters.  But there is no way in hell any person who watched that game , thought that Mount Union controlled the game. Go to the OAC boards, many MU fans in the board said as much.

GCC imposed their will on Mount, more than Mount imposed their will on GCC.  That does not mean the better team lost, that doesn't mean GCC should have won.  It just means GCC lost this game more than MU won it.

That is why its a 60 minute game.  Grove City took it to Mount and was the better team.  They controlled the game for 59 minutes 48 seconds. Unfortunately that is all that matters. 

They should be tough, especially if the RB (Ranken) isn't seriously hurt.

As for Bethany,  that was a tough one.

Quote from: Bison Bill on September 11, 2026, 10:25:48 AMGood? I'm not sure.

Much better than last year? Yes absolutely. This years team would crush last years team. Not even close.

I would imagine we are average, but it's hard to tell because we have been bad for so long. I'm not sure we know what a good team would look like.

To me, being good for Bethany is being 5-5.  If they are in the game in the 4th Qtr against BW, W&J, & GCC, call it a great season. 

You have a hell of a QB.  Looks like he has some other weapons to work with this year.  Who knows, 6-4 or even 7-3 isn't out of the question with this schedule.   The Geneva game will tell you a lot as they were last years most improved team.  SVC did throw a lot of points on the board without giving up many last week.  Maybe they improved also.

I hope Bethany improves.  This conference needs these teams at the bottom to battle to be at least average.  Also, I love a good underdog story.

Well, outside of Case, the better teams in this conference lost.  GCC certainly doesn't have it any easier this week.

Proud of Bethany on a hard fought win, and man the Bearcats made a statement.  Can either team keep the momentum going?

Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on August 31, 2026, 10:01:23 AMI mean, here's the cool part regarding that Friday game v. Rochester.  Opening weekend of college football season aligned perfectly for viewing purposes in my case, and here's how:

Thursday Night: Illinois (grad alma mater) v. UAB on Big Ten Network
Friday Night: CWRU (undergrad) v. Rochester on Flo Sports
Saturday Morning: Houston (law school) v. Oregon State on ESPN
Saturday Night: Central Michigan (grad alma mater) v. New Mexico on FS1

WHAT PERFECT TIMING!!!

Did the networks consult with you before scheduling? Lol

Quote from: ADL70 on August 25, 2026, 06:55:41 PMWhich of the last dozen or more posts discussed the PAC?

Indirectly, most of them.  Again it was atleast dialog leading up to the season.

Quote from: ADL70 on August 25, 2026, 07:20:50 PMGetting back to PAC topics. Back on August 20 mikefin posted: "GCC, led by RJ Bowers, emerged as a strong competitor." But while he was there, GCC never won more than six games. 2000 was his final season and from 2001-2017, they only had two winning seasons. Then they had a 36-game losing streak 2014-2017.

Almost miraculously, they went 8-3 in 2018 after going 4-6 in 2017. They have continued to be a top team since, but not until then.

In 1997—his freshman year—they went 9-2 and won the PAC. Up to that point, W&J had won the title every single year since 1986. By 1998, W&J, Waynesburg, and Grove City shared the crown as tri-champions with identical 3-1 conference records.

So my statement was 100% factual.

As for them falling off from the time he left until 2018: while I didn't flat-out state they stunk, I did point out that "in the 2000s, W&J and Thomas More were the primary contenders." That makes it pretty clear Grove City wasn't exactly a force to be reckoned with.

My main point was this conference was always bottom heavy and this conference hasn't seen as strong in-conference competition like it has seen recently in the 2020s.

Quote from: ADL70 on August 25, 2026, 11:40:42 AMHow did this board get hijacked from PAC disccussion?

Do you prefer months of no discussion at all where this is not a PAC board but a CWRU board?

 In a few weeks when games start, this will turn into a PAC board again where there might be 5 post a week, unlike the engagement we've seen the past couple days.

Quote from: Patrick Coleman on August 25, 2026, 11:50:46 AMIt started here.

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